think of scums sample collector
that by itself is one of the strongest parts of his kit, and its a blue talent
#hivescum-class
novel oracle
haughty badger
I'm not saying so many should be or that they shoukd have significant effects, but it cant be denied that psykers skill tree has much more impact on how you play than Zealots. if you compare Zealot to a more moderate example, like Scum and Vet and Ogryn, they all have talents that have smaller but notable impacts on your playstyle, whereas Zealot has none. if nothing else, the keystones should change something, which is true for almost every keystone in the game except all 3 of Zealots
novel oracle
i dont think a blue talent should have as much weight as it does
and same goes for so many other blues
low harbor
and it's not that hard to make both vet and zealot trees better, the current forms are pretty close to perfect
tropic crag
i'm saying its not the type of improvement that will like... actually win or lose you games unless you're in a very specific skill range where the numbers help close a gap and that range will be very narrow
darktide is too messy to get too caught up in the details
because gains get very messy in how reliable they can actually be
low harbor
i'm saying its not the type of improvement that will like... actually win or los...
relic blade is actually only 5% stagger off from reaching crusher stagger lol
weird cases like that do happen
dim moth
think of scums sample collector
that by itself is one of the strongest parts of ...
pretty okay pathing too
novel oracle
pretty okay pathing too
i do hope that bottem right pathing gets killed lets be real
that shit is literally not finished
look at it
livid raven
i hate the bottom right path so much
drifting heron
relic blade is actually only 5% stagger off from reaching crusher stagger lol
Saw someone ask for Sunder on relic in general
tropic crag
relic blade is actually only 5% stagger off from reaching crusher stagger lol
yes and if you need that then its only a short matter of time until you're past that point, or you're so early in learning you can't make use of it to cross any real gaps... i agree with you that there is value but the game itself gives so much value to player skill that its almost not worth getting so exact about things
novel oracle
Saw someone ask for Sunder on relic in general
haughty badger
i dont think a blue talent should have as much weight as it does
that's fair, but some of them doing something adds a lot more flavor. sustained assault has a cool effect on your playstyle where you swap back and forth for damage boosts. super cool skill
livid raven
they took all the leftover stuff and put it into a branch
drifting heron
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/s...
This thing is so perfect
low harbor
yes and if you need that then its only a short matter of time until you're past ...
this is not a valid argument against trying to make things better
novel oracle
that's fair, but some of them doing *something* adds a lot more flavor. sustaine...
do you mean malefic momentum
low harbor
Saw someone ask for Sunder on relic in general
sunder can be balanced pretty easily too tbh
novel oracle
sustained assault is literally just +damage in disguise
its hit things for damage
dim moth
they took all the leftover stuff and put it into a branch
It's literally all toxin related except for a random ass +1 blitz and coherency radius
haughty badger
do you mean malefic momentum
that's Pyskers, but Vet has one too. pretty sure it's called sustained assult
novel oracle
that's Pyskers, but Vet has one too. pretty sure it's called sustained assult
agile engagement
livid raven
It's literally all toxin related except for a random ass +1 blitz and coherency ...
sample collector isn't entirely toxin
but even some toxin stuff there is kinda just there
tropic crag
this is not a valid argument against trying to make things better
it is, i saw vt2 slowly turn into a more boring game (still fun tho) because they never lowered value on player skill but kept giving value to stats. I think that choices in tide games being spikey and encouraging players to not think too hard on all of it makes for a better game overall
novel oracle
the right tree is chem focused
tropic crag
after like a decade of these games
livid raven
the right tree is a fusion of toxin, chem and whatever else was left
it's kinda confused
haughty badger
It's literally all toxin related except for a random ass +1 blitz and coherency ...
those two and sample collector exist so you can get chem dependency without investing into toxin. sure sample collector benefits from toxin, but you dont need the toxin bonus for it to be good
low harbor
it is, i saw vt2 slowly turn into a more boring game (still fun tho) because the...
nah this is just your personal bias talking
livid raven
+75% coherency radious in our lord's year 2025
haughty badger
the right tree is a fusion of toxin, chem and whatever else was left
it's the least confused side tbh
haughty badger
+75% coherency radious in our lord's year 2025
coherency radius is underrated tbh 
dim moth
left side having hyper critical, weakspot damage, swift endurance and ramping backstabs
livid raven
so you took it?
dim moth
so called "gun" tree smh
low harbor
left side having hyper critical, weakspot damage, swift endurance **and** rampin...
ramping backstab is so wack too
tropic crag
nah this is just your personal bias talking
pretty sure its also FS design intent, they've made compromises more recently by adding in real stats in game but they still aren't up front and center... i've just come to agree with the games intentions on approach
drifting heron
coherency radius is underrated tbh <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
Coherency means nothing without line of sight
low harbor
pretty sure its also FS design intent, they've made compromises more recently by...
no, they just aren't doing a good enough job at it
haughty badger
so called "gun" tree smh
this guy gets it. the gun side is the confused side
low harbor
your interpretation does not equate to fact
candid flare
Left tree is more the crit tree than the gun tree
stark stone
I prefer shooty shooty pew pew desperado with twin stubb pistols, vulture's and boom bringer with lots of crits
low harbor
neither does mine, but I'm not the one arguing against trying to make things better
stark stone
It's fun as hell
tropic crag
no, they just aren't doing a good enough job at it
i'm not going to pretend to be a game design pro but i was trained and close enough to the industry before bailing to see there is intent in those things
haughty badger
so you took it?
I tend to if I'm next to it already. especially on Psyker though since the cdr from earlier in the tree is shared. Scum's are less important to share though
frigid sluice
I took scratch summer classes when I was 7 I think I outrank both of you ngl
low harbor
i'm not going to pretend to be a game design pro but i was trained and close eno...
nah, it just simply is them not doing a good enough job at it
stark stone
Is crit stub pistols the meta? Idk, nor do I really care as it's funny to spam dodges and get an ungodlu amount of lead to inject enemiez with
dim moth
Is crit stub pistols the meta? Idk, nor do I really care as it's funny to spam d...
I think stub pistols are considered scums worst ranged weapon xd
stark stone
I made it work well tbh
livid raven
Is crit stub pistols the meta? Idk, nor do I really care as it's funny to spam d...
i don't think stub pistols are anywhere close to meta
drifting heron
I think stub pistols are considered scums worst ranged weapon xd
I consider anyone who says that dumb and stupid and smelly
livid raven
for any hivescum build
low harbor
Is crit stub pistols the meta? Idk, nor do I really care as it's funny to spam d...
they're very very mid
stark stone
Idk, I got a build that gets good value.
low harbor
but they can be fun
novel oracle
a tiny damage bump and baked in run n gun is all they need imo
stark stone
You need to worship crits and crucian roulette + run and gun
rose palm
they're very very mid
Like bad mid or average mid
livid raven
i'd rather use dual smg at that point
low harbor
Like bad mid or average mid
livid raven
for actual damage
stark stone
Idk my funny pew pew does plenty of damage
livid raven
i tried shredder and it's pretty cool too despite being obviously worse
candid flare
Dual stubs have hellbore degrees of hipfire autoaim
stark stone
Do get the funny instakill crits for the guys and crucian for real fun
low harbor
Do get the funny instakill crits for the guys and crucian for real fun
hypercrit only works for melee
haughty badger
I like the stub pistols as a special sniping secondary on an otherwise melee build. has enough range and damage for quick single kills, while having an ammo economy about it. not the best for it, but does the job well
stark stone
hypercrit only works for melee
I saw it work with guns though..
livid raven
ammo economy?
haughty badger
hypercrit only works for melee
works for guns too
livid raven
in this pickpocket?
low harbor
works for guns too
they changed it??
haughty badger
in this pickpocket?
I did say a melee build
livid raven
works for guns too
no
novel oracle
I saw it work with guns though..
i dont recall them changing it
livid raven
it doesn't work for guns
novel oracle
it should be melee only
stark stone
It doesnt????
livid raven
it is melee only
novel oracle
yes it doesnt
stark stone
Lemme test that thesis
low harbor
It doesnt????
NEVER did
dim moth
I wonder how busted as fuck it would be if it did work on guns
haughty badger
I did it with the combat shotgun slug round
stark stone
Regardless the build I have is fun
livid raven
you did not bro
winged bay
hyperviolence stacks on ranged, procs on melee only but in practice that's almost useless
drifting heron
I wonder how busted as fuck it would be if it *did* work on guns
Revolver
dim moth
IAG one shotting literally everything on a crit
novel oracle
Lemme test that thesis
its literally coded to be melee only
winged bay
but hypercritical no
livid raven
you can just test it, it's very easy
low harbor
Lemme test that thesis
this is what it looks like
haughty badger
I wonder how busted as fuck it would be if it *did* work on guns
probably not mucch since the best ranged weapons fire so fast their damage per shot just isnt that high
stark stone
If's brainless af how I play my build.. but it's fun
low harbor
I wonder how busted as fuck it would be if it *did* work on guns
56 kills per mag with vraks V inf auto
livid raven
they should make hyperviolence work on and for ranged attacks
stark stone
Imma get a clip of my hoohoo haha build
novel oracle
56 kills per mag with vraks V inf auto
assuming its doing enough damage to actually proc it
and i can only assume its doing that against groaners
low harbor
assuming its doing enough damage to actually proc it
yea it does over 800 per crit with enuf buffs
1 tap flamer if hypercrit worked
haughty badger
yea it does over 800 per crit with enuf buffs
what??
drifting heron
1 tap all shotgunners
dim moth
probably not mucch since the best ranged weapons fire so fast their damage per s...
r u sure
livid raven
it also just doesn't work on anything with a ranged attack, i tried on a poxwalker
low harbor
yea FS tooltip been bad
hybrid oyster
can't ranged weapons have critical strike? or is it called something else
haughty badger
it does say critical strike
bro you need to read the messages you're replying to more often 
haughty badger
oh you meant the "strike" part. I've never noticed that distinction. granted, usually critical effects inpact both melee and ranged unless explicitly stated to not
tropic crag
yeah strike usually means hit, not shoot
if someone said "strike them with the gun" you wouldn't think to shoot them usually
haughty badger
okay turns out I was wrong about hyper critical with ranged after all. I had claimed that because I was able to one shot a plasma gunner with combat shotgun slug round with hyper critical but could not without it with the build I had tested it with. whatever the reason ut happened then, it didnt happen this time
haughty badger
yeah but it didnt one shot with the omly difference being hyper critical or not 
tropic crag
okay turns out I was wrong about hyper critical with ranged after all. I had cla...
probably hitbox shenanigans or something else
haughty badger
nah I was shooting chest
haughty badger
probably hitbox shenanigans or something else
possible
hybrid oyster
okay turns out I was wrong about hyper critical with ranged after all. I had cla...
it's okay, everyone makes mistakes, thank you for testing and letting us know. Here enjoy some gorl snacking
haughty badger
I hadnt tried it many times, just enough to be confident I couldnt one shot on a crit and then used hyper critical and saw if it one shot or not. didnt really try again
drifting heron
I have finally taken the agri combat pill
It is the shit
Except for the reload but thats mostly fine
Weapon spec carries
haughty badger
tbh I'm using the one with the stagger shot
base shot didnt feel strong enough, and the fire one felt like it had too much spread. the other one hits just right for me though 
also only like it on Scum. always feels good, but runs out of ammo too fast. pickpocket carries tho
stark stone
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lLp8orQ4HTK0Xgs7u?invite=cr-MSxoQU8sNDYxODYxMDcy&v=94 This is the build I got
I am testing in the psykanium atm, but I've used in Auric and I've had plenty of fun and killing with it
woeful hill
The reject can have a little bit of corruption as a treat
stark stone
Struggles a bit at long ranges, but that's what the rockets and my team is for
spice cloud
What is best braced auto?
woeful hill
fastest or the slowest
spice cloud
And inf auto again?
stark stone
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lLp8orQ4HTK0Xgs7u?invite=c...
Is my build exactly the most efficient? Probably not, but I have fun with it and like dodge spamming and firing at enemies.
I'm doing funmaxxing
haughty badger
And inf auto again?
my favorite feeling one is I think the brown one. the one with the middle fire rate. Vraks is nice for desperado though since it dumps fast enough to get more reloads off
spice cloud
I tried em all and the shredder so far i like the braced the most i think.
Yeah i feel like higher rof is better for desperado
haughty badger
Embraced Autogun 
jaunty sail
Infantry autogun fucking slaps on scummer
closest I will get to playing an orkboy
With never ending dakka
spice cloud
Even the shredder autopistol slaps with desperado lol
jaunty sail
Shredder autopistols sound cool and nothing beats a crackhead with silenced uzis
jaunty sail
I did run them since release of meth addict
spice cloud
Just no carapace killing
jaunty sail
But time for change
bronze glade
agri brauto is pretty good with desp
lavish parrot
Been feeling like the crowbar is a bit underperforming am I crazy?
jaunty sail
Pistols were fun too
haughty badger
my only problem with autogun on scum is that it's just point and fire. if you take the whole ranged tree, it's pretty braindead to me. so I skip the ranged keystone section and pop over to chem dependency, using desperado as my only source of infinite ammo
bronze glade
Been feeling like the crowbar is a bit underperforming am I crazy?
it's not underperforming, it ||outright sucks||
spice cloud
Been feeling like the crowbar is a bit underperforming am I crazy?
No youre not
jaunty sail
Although I am trained in pleasing ladies and didn’t have issues with finger being numb so
Idk meth addict is great
haughty badger
Been feeling like the crowbar is a bit underperforming am I crazy?
Crowbar isnt exactly impressive, but it's solid. it does the job
spice cloud
Anyone try combat shotgun or smth with the despacito yet?
hybrid oyster
despacito
hybrid oyster
haughty badger
I like combat shotgun with pickpocket but not desperado. desperado gives free reloads which is great for it, but the downtime of the ability is high enough to feel like I'm not using the gun enough, plus the reload is too slow to really keep the ability going for a while. it feels good with depression, but leaves uptime to be desired without pickpocket, so I run the other two abilities with it and spec into pickpocket
spice cloud
When i have pickpocket i just never stop shooting lol
spice cloud
The penance with tghns regen on stimm crate takes forever by the way goddamn
Its the last one left for me.
clear isle
spice cloud
And i want that goddamn iron skull
dreamy portal
Reckon there's anymore classes comin' after the scum?*
spice cloud
Yeah its really stupid and just shows me how useless it is
haughty badger
When i have pickpocket i just never stop shooting lol<:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883229...
reasonable lol. I dont really either except for anti armor, which is why I use the shivs, rampage, and rpg with it. makes for an actually really nice hybrid playstyle
dreamy portal
sorry, typed the wrong word, meant to type scum
clear isle
I think we still might get a new class, but tbh it might take a super long time
ancient basin
arby technically is, failing the lex by not reigning in the situation before and having to atone now
clear isle
Like a year maybe
ancient basin
skitari comin after the holiday break probs
dreamy portal
reckon since we have a rogue trader on the mourning star, we might get a class that isn't necessarily human?
spice cloud
skitari comin after the holiday break probs
Ah yes the yearly 6 month holiday break
clear isle
Bcz I don't imagine the game would be too alive at the 5 year mark
livid raven
reckon since we have a rogue trader on the mourning star, we might get a class t...
rogue traders don't recruit armies of xenos
clear isle
Then again vt got necromancer after a billion years
dreamy portal
they recruit xenos though
spice cloud
Bcz I don't imagine the game would be too alive at the 5 year mark
Vermintide is still holding on so i have hope
livid raven
they recruit singular xenos
dreamy portal
xenos mercenaries even.
ancient basin
they have been cooking up new classes at a decent clip recently, and if we get new missions too thats bonus
livid raven
i doubt they are going to add orks or kroots as a class
ancient basin
pfft imagine ork freebotah as a playable class, ogryn adjacent size
spice cloud
dreamy portal
much as i'd love to see some freebootas, and kroots, i was mainly thinkin' those eldar that run off to be mercs.
ancient basin
never going to happen but still funny to think about
clear isle
Vermintide is still holding on so i have hope
Ye I mentioned that vt got necromancer after a long time of sienna not having any dlc class, but there's a huge difference
VT isn't forced online
spice cloud
VT isn't forced online
Its not but it is
clear isle
It's p2p so there's only very small server costs
spice cloud
You can play dt solo too
dreamy portal
ey, what about gretchen freeboota?
ancient basin
eldar running special ops into atoma secundus to prevent the full on warp incursion
clear isle
Meanwhile in DT you are forced to use their servers for multiplayer
Which isn't needed in vt
livid raven
much as i'd love to see some freebootas, and kroots, i was mainly thinkin' those...
i'd love eldar weapons but i don't think fatshark is going to add classes that can't use the generalist/recycled weapons
spice cloud
Which isn't needed in vt
True but then someone with a wood computer hosts and the fun is over
dim moth
i'd love eldar weapons but i don't think fatshark is going to add classes that c...
what about Ogryn TWO
ancient basin
hadron def working in the dark on something mechanicus related to the dark age of technology side of tertium too, big time secrets
dreamy portal
i'd love eldar weapons but i don't think fatshark is going to add classes that c...
gretchen freeboota?
livid raven
is that a mercenary gnobblar
spice cloud
is that a mercenary gnobblar
Looks like nosh to me
livid raven
or whatever they call the goblins in 40k
ancient basin
space marine trainee maybe
clear isle
True but then someone with a wood computer hosts and the fun is over
True, but that's the only reason the game is still up till now (also fatshark servers aren't much better than that lmao)
dreamy portal
gretchen
ancient basin
not fully modded, but undergoing trial
livid raven
too small
haughty badger
all I really want for a new class is another Ogryn class, just so Ogryn weapons and animations can get some love and reuse
dreamy portal
feel though if anything, maybe some beastmen?
livid raven
beastmen wouldn't really have anything new would they
spice cloud
feel though if anything, maybe some beastmen?
Dont you dare even speak about those
tight rock
reskinned minotaur inc
dreamy portal
there are still non-chaos affiliated beastmen that i'm sure still see employment from rogue traders.
spice cloud
Ewwww
dreamy portal
cause beastmen in 40k did start out on the side of the imperium til' the inquisition decided it wasn't purging enough things.
could be a full melee class, maybe.
dreamy portal
not any worse than psykers
dim moth
Atleast the psyker aint no furry
yours maybe
dreamy portal
least these furries ain't that uwu crap
spice cloud
yours maybe
ancient basin
men of iron enemy faction
dreamy portal
they're a buncha' farm animals given bloodlust, not hyper sexualized or infanticized.
spice cloud
ancient basin
everything is carapace!
spice cloud
Leaked beastmen gameplay
ancient basin
AAAAAA
dreamy portal
i'm just sayin' for furries, beastmen at least ain't as cringe as furries in real life.
stark stone
Furries deserve my fear and respect, anybody who chooses to walk around in those suits in blistering ass weather and do tricks and shit...
Well.. yeah... I gotta respect that endurance.
drifting heron
Remember that the upper end of medical, engineering, and software dev is like 95% furries
dreamy portal
they're big, they're ugly, they're fierce, and the imperium technically does have its own daemons like a living saint and the like.
stark stone
Also from my own experience I find the antifurries far outweigh furries in terms of cringe, I'd rather be in a room with 10 furries than a single one of those edgy fucks.
Probably somehow smells less too 💀
drifting heron
Correct
Do note however that edgy anti furry 13 year old is a pre evolution to extremely gay adult
dreamy portal
eh, i dunno, see way too many of those UWU types. though i guess i can't say they're all like that, got a friend whose a furry and he ain't that cringe.
stark stone
I see the furry "community" as less a community and more some bigass subgenre that is found without different niche cultures.
dreamy portal
isn't there also like a sub-group that wears red arm bands unironicly?
spice cloud
The drugs is where the endurance comes from
dreamy portal
bafflingly hilarious too.
drifting heron
You can find nazis anywhere if you look hard enough
stark stone
Being a furry and a Neo is such a weird juxtaposition.
stark stone
You can find nazis anywhere if you look hard enough
KEK
dim moth
isn't there also like a sub-group that wears red arm bands unironicly?
pretty sure those guys worm their way into everything and are almost universally despised
drifting heron
Femboy nazi is a horrifyingly existent cross section
stark stone
Accurate... I've seen too many Neo femboys or those who are obviously somewhere on the LGBTQ+ spectrum whether they admit it or not out there.. though the ones that are are usually hyper closeted.
stark stone
Femboy nazi is a horrifyingly existent cross section
Yeah...
drifting heron
Its probably 90% self hate that needs a target
dreamy portal
what are we gonna do in the gas chamber adolf?
drifting heron
And 10% needing to find a group to identify with
stark stone
And 10% needing to find a group to identify with
also 
stark stone
"Estrogen would save him" was a legitimate plan against hitler
HUH?!
drifting heron
There was in fact a project (that wasn't deployed) to spike his food to slowly feminize him and make him less violent
stark stone
drifting heron
The british were really throwing everything at the wall
stark stone
Just normal 3 am Darktide convos
dreamy portal
they like to do a little trolling in bermingham.
stark stone
If you suffer from living in B*rmingham you're likely to be a bit loony
Perhaps even being a bit of a ... jonkler...
dreamy portal
speakin' of trolls actually, i'm surprised actually that there doesn't seem to be any equivalent of such a think in 40k.
stark stone
Slaanesh
dreamy portal
no actual trolls.
dreamy portal
no, i mean literal trolls.
stark stone
drifting heron
I think that archetype of creature just falls under certain daemons
dreamy portal
even though trolls in fantasy wern't really even daemons, but mutants or something like that?
drifting heron
They were just trolls
dreamy portal
either way, IS there even any troll equivalent in 40k? like some kinda xenos known for regenerating flesh quick, and being a big dumb monster with a big stick?
dreamy portal
oh yeah, reckon ambulls might ever get added as an enemy type some day?
dim moth
either way, IS there even any troll equivalent in 40k? like some kinda xenos kno...
like an ogryn?
dreamy portal
do ogryns have inherent regen?
dreamy portal
cause i'm pretty sure ogryn are the ogre equivalent, not made through chaos radiation, more of a thing that happened on a high grav prison planet.
livid raven
Trolls are dumber than ogres too
Trolls aren't made through chaos either
I think very old editions had some trolls in chaos armies
Relics from warhammer fantasy
spark gyro
Am I crazy or is Hive Scum penances insanely quicker than Arbites.
dim moth
they localized 100% of the penance grind time into Enhanced
spice cloud
Am I crazy or is Hive Scum penances insanely quicker than Arbites.
They are just all quite natural to complete and you dont have to go out pf your way too much
Unlike all the other classes lol
Hivescum will prolly br the first class where i actually just get them all by playing normally.
light phoenix
I wanna try and run Brauto on Scum, which build and mark should I go for?
spice cloud
I wanna try and run Brauto on Scum, which build and mark should I go for?
All pretty good. Imo high rof to empty as many mags as possible before despacito ends
I liked graia and agri
Also liked inf auto and shredder
light phoenix
All pretty good. Imo high rof to empty as many mags as possible before despacito...
Comparable to TwinAutopistols?
lapis raft
no ammo used in mortis trials on zarona pretty fun :d
light phoenix
no ammo used in mortis trials on zarona pretty fun :d
Can be done with Fanvolver?
lapis raft
probably but not having to reload on zarona is a bit stronger i think
main trellis
I wanna try and run Brauto on Scum, which build and mark should I go for?
You go vraks & hipfire everytime - turns out worst bruhauto is best on HS
Graia is nice too but braced mode takes time bracing too much… while having same firerate as vraks while hipfiring in conjunction with worse dmg & stagger
Argi is the worst due to 1 thing; firerate - after testing agri performed the worst, then graia then vraks
livid raven
they gotta buff those braced guns man
vast cairn
What is it with havoc teams hating hivescum especially when they have a build that completely negates corruption (which includes damage from dog and chaos spawn grabs) for the entire team, have grenades that clear hoards or deletes groups of armor, have a guns that functionally have infinite ammo even without the shooting ability, and one particular gun that kills everything in 2-4 shots?
echo python
Youtube man said hive scum bad
novel oracle
they heard hive scum weak + no gold toughness
vast cairn
Youtube man said hive scum bad
like if I had the choice between a stimbox hivescum or a zealot for a blight mission I will take the hivescum for my team every time just because immunity is better than slowly healing
not to mention the box also heals corruption
low harbor
Hive scum is kinda better zealot lol
lapis raft
and 50% cdr from crate better than support zealot provides, ppl just hate scum for no reason
vast cairn
or giga crits for the whole team too
like the options are massive
the only bad option is the toughness one
and only because it only effects coherency regen
lapis raft
Stim crate is kinda better with speed + str(crit)
well the cd branch increases uptime for yourself too so you can actually have the crate up, dont rly like speed + str
so im just doing cdr + str
vast cairn
if Fatshark changes the toughness stim brantch to just buff all toughness gains/regen then it would instantly become a good choice for havoc stuff
lapis raft
fun thing about the tougness branch is that one of the 2 final ones is just straight up worse than the travel nodes
vast cairn
yep
but imagine if it buffed the entire teams toughness gains by 80-100%
that'd be great
lapis raft
yea would be nice
lapis raft
but i feel like the toughness branch in general is like super unfinished
other branches have all 3 choices of actually somewhat useful stuff
this has 2 and both useless
vast cairn
the most useful thing about it is the DR and if you really want to invest into it, the instant 50% toughness gain
but that's so little
but if it gave like gold toughness alongside the 16% DR that would be pretty good I think
low harbor
but imagine if it buffed the entire teams toughness gains by 80-100%
That’d be too much
vast cairn
That’d be too much
well I'm just going off the numbers already on the branch
lapis raft
if the regeneration were all toughness replenishment (or whatever is the generic stat) and then one of the final nodes was regen and other idk, something useful, would be nice
low harbor
If it was replenishment it needs to get cut by half minimum
low harbor
It should yea
vast cairn
but my point is the toughness should be actively gained rather than only via coherency
vast cairn
Maybe they’ll fix the stim crate bug in January
Monkey's paw: broken dodges for all non ogryns but stim box still gets glued to hands at the worst time until they get back from vacation
low harbor
Monkey's paw: broken dodges for all non ogryns but stim box still gets glued to ...
Oh ik it’s not getting fixed for a while
vast cairn
it really is always the worst of times too
livid raven
if the patch is not coming today (it won't), there will be no more patches this year
low harbor
Shouldn’t be
It’ll prob be next year
They alrdy finished the enforcer stuff for next shop rotation at end of year
livid raven
they can't vault?
neon fern
nooo!
livid raven
it was a window
low harbor
they can't vault?
Not well
tired prairie
tell them to add ogryn vaulting please
Oh they can vault. It’s just been broken for 2+ years
You basically need to approach any railings at a ~45 degree angle to vault over them
neon fern
might aswell say it's not a thing atp
tired prairie
But it is a thing; it’s just very inconsistent and broken
neon fern
yeah let me just twist my arms at a 80° angle and spin in circle three times in a row to do this very basic thing
livid raven
the angle only makes it more consistent
and everyone suffers from this, the vaulting system is just dog
ogryn is just more affected
neon fern
literally fine on all humans
look at ledge prss vault
they really need to work on ogryn vault cuz it's very important to vault in dt
solemn thorn
look at ledge prss vault
Vaulting is great, especially when you launch yourself 30 meters
hallow raft
Thats the point
**Humans**
Ogryn ain’t human; its abhuman
Cause have big abs.
subtle matrix
Is there much reason to use the chem toxin shots with the Needle Pistol? Seems like the explosive shots are basically as good
zenith fern
literally fine on all humans
Little did he know the game was primarily build for humans sizes in mind
Smh
livid raven
Is there much reason to use the chem toxin shots with the Needle Pistol? Seems l...
the explosive shots are very, very bad
if you use the bad mark (the one with the explosive shot), you want to stick to the toxin shot only as it applies thrice the amount of toxin stacks compared to the explosive shots
the AOE of the explosive shot is very weak so you should probably never use it
winged bay
as long as there's infinite ammo, it's good for horde/mixed horde
livid raven
it isn't
winged bay
it is
livid raven
it does 50 damage at best
subtle matrix
It seemed like it was only applying 1 stack less in the meat grinder
livid raven
if you hit an enemy with like 8 shots before
livid raven
It seemed like it was only applying 1 stack less in the meat grinder
the stacks are in the pinned comment in this channel
the aoe has tiny explosion radius and does pratically no damage
i suggest using the version with the toxin aoe if you want to shoot into crowds
subtle matrix
Is the one stack from toxin aoe going to make any actual difference?
livid raven
it kills chaff pretty well
subtle matrix
Fair enough
unreal stirrup
Oh they can vault. It’s just been broken for 2+ years <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322...
holy shit
I thought vaulting with ogryn wasn't a thing
livid raven
does certainly more damage than the puny explosion
tired prairie
it does 50 damage at best
Sure, but it's very safe to just shoot a few darts into the horde and some of it may explode/be thinned enough to tackle with something else
winged bay
the point of the explosion is to apply 1 stack in AoE to refresh/add
livid raven
the point of the explosion is to apply 1 stack in AoE to refresh/add
no
that's the other mark
winged bay
what mark is he talking about
winged bay
how can I tell which one he is talking about even
livid raven
on death, the enemy explodes damaging near enemies
hybrid oyster
I think the point of the mk7 is for staggering
but there's other better options for that
lol
livid raven
it's a very small explosion radius and it doesn't stagger much
unreal stirrup
yes
livid raven
it's ok against hordes
muted pivot
I'm running it on a rampage dependence build
unreal stirrup
because it spread toxin
tired prairie
Is the blue mode actually good on the mark 2 then?
Mk2 has the "good" alternative fire mode, yeah
winged bay
he didn't specify the mark
muted pivot
And I kinda feel like I'd rather just blender them down
unreal stirrup
it's not a lot but it beyter
livid raven
only one actually explodes enemies
tired prairie
he didn't specify the mark
well, whatever - we got that cleared up.
muted pivot
Also, dual autos vs vraks IAG (or another IAG if you prefer) for desperado vulture?
livid raven
it's ok once in a while
muted pivot
I guess always yellow shots for elites on needle
tired prairie
Also, dual autos vs vraks IAG (or another IAG if you prefer) for desperado vultu...
Either works. Either you have better brace-fire weapon (Dual auto) or better range via ADS (Vraks IAG)
muted pivot
And you'd definitely favour the Vraks of the 3 IAGs?
It seems like the qualities that Vraks has over the other two are even more favoured on Scum
tired prairie
It has the best crit strings, ammo capacity, mobility and reload speed; so yeah, on these merits I would
You want crits on Scum/for Vulture's mark and just for an universal damage increase across all armour classes.
muted pivot
Groovy, just giving me some directions for when I next try tweaking this
Still not sure between middle or right keystone for generic melee shivs/needle build
Middle seems purpose built for shivs
But right is generically awesome, plus crit boost
tired prairie
I dislike Dependancy but it's not a bad keystone
winter tusk
muted pivot
Feels like right was built for bonesaw
Oh hey, it's the same version of DS4 that the balancing team uses
tired prairie
The entire right-bottom, right-most branch seems as if it were done with the bonesaw in mind 💀
novel oracle
Im back with another shower thought talent idea that could have been something if darktide had reasonable update turnarounds
muted pivot
Crits-give-toxin help for shivs there at least
But for spammy weapons, shivs still seem to 1-shot trash too much for chem synergy to really trigger idk?
muted pivot
Especially when in rampage
novel oracle
Im back with another shower thought talent idea that could have been something i...
When using a stim, gain .3% toughness replenishment for every point of viscosity spent in the stim lab, and .3% revive speed for every point unspent.
The combined total of both effects caps at 30%, and resets on death.
tired prairie
Toughness replenishment, as in, not toughness regen in coherency? 
winged bay
what's the purpose of it being on use and resetting this buff if it doesn't have a real duration
flavor?
tired prairie
As in the actual thing it really means
I was jesting but fair, it does say what it is on the lid
novel oracle
flavor?
Yeah, and also potentially punishing mistakes
So its not just a build up for the first few minutes of a mission and then just flat buffs for the rest of it
winged bay
can your stimm be on cooldown when you get revived
novel oracle
I dont recall it being on cd when youre rezzed
winged bay
oh I didn't quite understand, so you can stack it
novel oracle
oh I didn't quite understand, so you can stack it
Yeah
Its just flat small buffs that build up over the mission
And theyre the lesser used ones
And its explicitly tied to the viscosity of your stim, so now theres an additional layer beyond high effect high cd/low effect low cd
tired prairie
The toughness replenishment part seems a bit too easy to stack overall
radiant swift
unironcially res speed kinda nice on scum, since down time can mean death
novel oracle
Theres just too little done with the stim
radiant swift
drug class, looks inside 1 talent to use drugs more
unreal stirrup
unironcially res speed kinda nice on scum, since down time can mean death
res speed is good on anything tbh'
novel oracle
I use rev speed on scum in place of stam regen on my standardized curio setup
And its really nice
unreal stirrup
it is "banking on failture" but it will save runs
novel oracle
With the revive speed changes its not necessarily banking on that anymore
You can literally unnet some so fast you can do it mid slide
radiant swift
fair, I just notice myself getting stopped or having to stop while ressing a lot on Scum
novel oracle
It only takes 1 knockback to ledge someone too
Like sure you could consider some downs "banking on failure" but other times shit just happens
clear isle
I just got yoinked into twins when queing damnation quickplay, I'm sorry to everyone whom I said had skill issue for not being able to play this class, damn
I was unfamiliar with your suffering
novel oracle
I think the last game I played was on hab dreyko and I was doing mid event scans on scum in the center hab room on the top floor
Turn around cuz I hear a burster and theres 4 crushers entering the room
Oh and theres another burster coming from the other direction at the same time that just didnt make enough noise cuz of the first one
I literally cant avoid that one with the wall of armor in front of me so I get bursted by it, and during the knockback instance I couldn't block so I got hit full force by one of the crusher side swipes
Down in literally 2 seconds and from the moment the situation was even able to be noticed, it wasnt able to be avoided
Sometimes it just happens
My point with that is the same can happen to your teammates
Even if theyre playing well shit can just happen
And thats where revive speed where you can fit it can excel
main trellis
When using a stim, gain .3% toughness replenishment for every point of viscosity...
Good good but…
Like stimms need any more power than they already have
novel oracle
Good good but…
Like stimms need any more power than they already have
Scums stims are just a mess
main trellis
I was unfamiliar with your suffering
Its not hard
Its ppl being dumb & bad & not taking certain key talents
Just like with every class really
clear isle
Its not hard
Its ppl being dumb & bad & not taking certain key talents
tbf I was using stimm supply, but like still, damn
novel oracle
After a couple of half invested stims, youd have a solid 15% revive speed and 15% replenishment
Not game changing, but pretty comfy for a blue talent
clear isle
felt like I was playing coughing baby
radiant swift
After a couple of half invested stims, youd have a solid 15% revive speed and 15...
certainly makes more sense as a talent then coherency radius
novel oracle
Dude the cracks are so large right now
main trellis
certainly makes more sense as a talent then coherency radius
Exacly
Whats with 
devs & coherency related talents? Do they play their game?
Well… they did… and quit cause ppl were calling out bs
novel oracle
Idk how its intact or how people havent pointed out that they are cracks
main trellis
clear isle
Exacly
Whats with <:fatshark:1016285431194718278> devs & coherency related talen...
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't, thats expected from every studio, but they pay playtesters, do they not listen to them?
main trellis
Karkers!?
empty wolf
stimmed/alchemist needs to eb done in one block or no?
clear isle
I remember when ppl called arrowhead out for not playing helldivers due to their horrible balancing decisions and they showed off them playing and horribly losing a diff 3 mission, funniest shit ever
main trellis
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't, thats expected from every studio, but th...
Seems not so much + i watched some playtesters play… they’re good but… not impressive (especially with some takes that obv could be better)
clear isle
forget playing their game, ppl out here developing games while having never played any game lol
livid raven
have we ever seen a fat shark dev play
clear isle
Seems not so much + i watched some playtesters play… they’re good but… not impre...
aren't some of the playtesters h40 players from this server?
radiant swift
have we ever seen a fat shark dev play
i've been matched with one before
been a very long time though
main trellis
forget playing their game, ppl out here developing games while having never play...
For contrast; Pablo from Warframe actively plays the game he patches & developes in terms of changes & buff & nerfs and GUESS WHAT; community loves him
Cause he knows where to tinker & what to do & does not suck at the game he plays
main trellis
aren't some of the playtesters h40 players from this server?
Yuh
novel oracle
forget playing their game, ppl out here developing games while having never play...
We lost mats to poodivers 
clear isle
Yuh
I'd say thats good enough to give an opinion on coherency radius lol
meaning they do ignore them
novel oracle
The response to our feedback of that talent was increasing it to 75%
main trellis
meaning they do ignore them
Their loss of face; you can’t fix tarnished reputation
rough peak
main trellis
The response to our feedback of that talent was increasing it to 75%
It was fking less?!
Lmao
radiant swift
150% coherency radius
main trellis
150% coherency radius
It would still not be taken
livid raven
i don't think any value would make people take that node
radiant swift
It would still not be taken <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
until coherency regen doesn't get shut off so easily no it wouldn;t
main trellis
Cause its vs;
1+ blitz
Toxin on crits
novel oracle
Feedback was "bro get rid of it" and "if you really want a coherency node, give it some of born leaders effect too"
main trellis
Feedback was "bro get rid of it" and "if you really want a coherency node, give ...
Born leader change was pog ngl
novel oracle
Born leader toughness share would kinda go crazy on scum
He shits out a fair amount of toughness
Its the lower dr giving that toughness lower value that makes squishier
main trellis
He shits out a fair amount of toughness
Melee one especially
novel oracle
A ranged VM scum can replenish 30% toughness on elite kill, 15% of that already being shared
grand jewel
For contrast; Pablo from Warframe actively plays the game he patches & developes...
Pablo my beloved
main trellis
Its the lower dr giving that toughness lower value that makes squishier
And the fact you have to invest into HP if you go havoc or you get 1 shot by bursters
grand jewel
Except for the Chinese community review bombing the game with the damage attenuation changes
novel oracle
And the fact you have to invest into HP if you go havoc or you get 1 shot by bur...
Vet does too
grand jewel
But yeah lmao
unreal stirrup
well ok then
main trellis
Vet does too
Psyker too; same 98 hp limbo
novel oracle
Except for the Chinese community review bombing the game with the damage attenua...
The Chinese community lf every game review bombs anything if its not a buff
novel oracle
Oh the recent recent ones?
clear isle
well ok then
I see the problem, stimm supply
main trellis
well ok then
Looks like latency
unreal stirrup
literally just fine 2 games ago
grand jewel
It makes it so your existence isn't entirely reliant on armour strip, other things work in higher levels
They just saw change and squealed in the corner
main trellis
well ok then
I know what happened
You staggered it to the point that the animation did not play but the attack was in motion
Extremelly rare to happen in this game
Also is that fking rotten armour in havoc?!
main trellis
rotten armor got added in bound by duty
Yes but after HS got added the havoc got reset; is RA back in havoc?
unreal stirrup
yes
radiant swift
heard it applies to melee now too
zenith pagoda
Rotten armour 
unreal stirrup
whoever thought that rotten armor need to be worse in havoc need to get shot
zenith pagoda
At least there is no healing
unreal stirrup
rotten stim:
zenith pagoda
Pre nerf healing + rotten armour + pre nerf blue stim 
obsidian crown
What’s rotten armor again
obsidian crown
Is it just basically they leave behind toxic clouds when they die
zenith pagoda
My favourite skill check modifier is back
No because I literally lost 2 games yesterday because my teammates dodged crusher overheads onto me
hybrid oyster
No because I literally lost 2 games yesterday because my teammates dodged crushe...
why you walking into hammers
xD
zenith pagoda
unreal stirrup
why the server so ass now
young herald
the hampster is on christmas vacation
abstract lichen
unreal stirrup
oh it default to the fucking eu server for reason
apparently because there 0ms of latency
hybrid oyster
the hampster is on christmas vacation
here the gorls will power the server
novel oracle
here the gorls will power the server
The wheel going backwards must be why my dodges get refunded so often
tender forge
Is it just basically they leave behind toxic clouds when they die
They also get 80% damage res which decreases the lower their hp gets
main trellis
They also get 80% damage res which decreases the lower their hp gets
*75%
vernal sluice
chat is this real?
astral canyon
Perchance
main trellis
chat is this real?
Imposter; chocoB already posted numerous HS vids with maxed out character
This boi is 29
vernal sluice
amogus...
main trellis
Either ChocoB got bored and for whatever reason decided to go 1 - 30 challenge or imposter/fanboi
No other way around
vernal sluice
really fucking weird to impersonate a darktide player of all ppl lol
tender forge
really fucking weird to impersonate a darktide player of all ppl lol
Vermintide player
vernal sluice
Ok yeah definitely an imposter, I said hf to their gl and they thought I was insulting them lol
astral canyon
Hive fum
vernal sluice
They replied "hf selbst" so I assume hf means something mean in german?
oh well at least it was a clean twins fight
main trellis
They replied "hf selbst" so I assume hf means something mean in german?
Ye he dogshit
zenith pagoda
Are you able to tell what seed you're gonna get? Is so fucking annoying when I'm prepped for gunner seed and it gives me carapace hordes
I SWITCH TO AN ANTI CARAPACE BUILD AND THEN IT GIVES ME A GUNNER SEED
radiant swift
pulsar aspen
@main trellis Rotten Armour is back?
vernal sluice
I fucking love driver nephi
pulsar aspen
@vernal sluice I have no idea what "hf" would be an abbreviation for in german that is supposed to be mean. Its more likely that he meant something like "hf you too" since "selbst" can be translated to "yourself".
vernal sluice
<@804688490465591297> I have no idea what "hf" would be an abbreviation for in g...
I understand, thing is they absolutely assumed I was insulting them because when I asked them wdym in response, and spelled out 'have fun' they said 'oh I thought you meant the other word' which is why I wanted to ask here about it
vernal sluice
pulsar aspen
Mhmhm
"an other" should be "another" so it would be any other word and not a specific one
But what do i know.
pulsar aspen
@vernal sluice Tread Lightlies are the real deal.
vernal sluice
For Lady Steel! And for repping the hazard stripes look.
unreal stirrup
tread lightlies my beloved
pulsar aspen
Ah right.
limber cradle
But if you flip WC and Show i bet thats right
pulsar aspen
Probably because its the default option and most people wouldn't care really would they.
unreal stirrup
yeah
limber cradle
Probably because its the default option and most people wouldn't care really wou...
Its actually not
pulsar aspen
Truely?
unique spire
Animal Gang here, I would like to say:
limber cradle
Water cartel is the lowest option on the list
pulsar aspen
unique spire
The Iron Riders are too edgy
vernal sluice
WC is both recognizable as a preexisting entity in the game plus the white on purple is a very appealing color combo
limber cradle
Yeah
vernal sluice
From what I've personally seen iron riders seem to be the least picked
unique spire
From what I've personally seen iron riders seem to be the least picked
That's the reason
limber cradle
From what I've personally seen iron riders seem to be the least picked
Ive only seen a few people talk about em
vernal sluice
so yeah, I'm also guessing Water Cartel > The Show > Tread Lightlies > Iron Riders
limber cradle
I think Tread Lightlies are the default gang?
I can make a new ganger when coffee is done brewing to check but ik it isnt WC
unique spire
It's so cool, dark and badass that people thought that if they picked them they would get shamed
unique spire
so yeah, I'm also guessing Water Cartel > The Show > Tread Lightlies > Iron Ride...
Oh I thought The Show was named "The Animals"
pulsar aspen
Iron Riders are just speed freaks that have a chance to expire prematurely which is as high as the speed of the trains they are riding.
hidden timber
Water Cartel cosmetics are also easier to unlock.
pulsar aspen
I doubt that played a part in it.
unique spire
Water Cartel cosmetics are also easier to unlock.
Dude you don't need to be from Water Cartel to use their cosmetics
limber cradle
Water Cartel cosmetics are also easier to unlock.
People didn't know that picking their gang
pulsar aspen
Because even tho you are from one Cartel, does not mean you are restricted to just use those cosmetics.
And they probably did not know that to begin with, as Tongs said.
limber cradle
Tbh I picked WC because of the preset lore and liking them on Munda
The scheme is a bonus
unique spire
I picked The Show because my ganger is called "Doctor Needles"
hidden timber
Dude you don't need to be from Water Cartel to use their cosmetics
Wearing another cartel's cosmetics? Heresy.
pulsar aspen
The Show probably has all those wannabe egdy people who think they are creative or funny.
limber cradle
I like the show scheme tbh
unique spire
Wearing another cartel's cosmetics? Heresy.
If you don't use tattoos of your gang then there's literally no sign of what gang you are from
limber cradle
I use the non gang affiliated tattoo that still looks water cartelesque
Has the mourninstar on your back and the waves on your sides/stomach
unique spire
Remember when people used to complain that Hive Ganger would just be Veteran but criminal?
Same was said for Arbitrator
pulsar aspen
A lot of Veterans are criminals tho...
limber cradle
Mine is
unique spire
A lot of Veterans are criminals tho... <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Exactly
pulsar aspen
They simply have survived long enough to not be scum anymore.
limber cradle
My vet is a conscripted hive urchin
pulsar aspen
Schola Runaway.
hidden timber
If you don't use tattoos of your gang then there's literally no sign of what gan...
Don't use the gang tattoos because they include the face and I want to customise that separately.
unique spire
I don't remember the lore of my vet, but I remember the lore of my Ogryn, in which he was a miner his whole life until he said "you know what? Fuck this shit" and joined the Imperium army before going to jail for missing on duty
pulsar aspen
Yup, full body gang tattoos will override face tattoos
@unique spire So instead of mining ore he's mining heretic skulls?
unique spire
Yeah
pulsar aspen
unique spire
I even got like, furnace worker cosmetic for them
limber cradle
I think before I swapped voices i mine was a miner too
unique spire
My ogryn got so much voice changes that he now got lobotomy
main trellis
I bet its the iron riders
Apparently so
limber cradle
Ive only seen
Iirc 3 people in this discord and like 2 outside of it talk about em/wear their cosmetics
Anecdotal tho
pulsar aspen
I use one of the Iron Rider legs, but that is because it is very much not noticeable that they are Iron Rider legs.
And yes, that's the point.
limber cradle
Water Cartel drip is immaculate
pulsar aspen
@limber cradle Alright they are actually from the Water Cartel, not even Iron Riders
limber cradle
<@144912738546614272> Alright they are actually from the Water Cartel, not even ...
Good decision
pulsar aspen
Iron Riders didn't look like what i wanted
lapis raft
Water Cartel drip is immaculate
vernal sluice
Red and black is a pretty overplayed color scheme when it comes to videogames tbh
limber cradle
I like to dress to match my healthbar so I wear purple
I think I'm going to tune a scum build just to do rotten armor btw
limber cradle
Water Cartel drip is immaculate
Id wear these pants irl ngl
pulsar aspen
I like that Rotten Armour is back
vernal sluice
Personally I associate it with the disposable "these guys are evil SHOOT THEM NOW" mooks look
limber cradle
I don't
unreal stirrup
I like that Rotten Armour is back
yeah and they made it fucking worse
limber cradle
I personally am infuriated we went from one season of rotten armor to blight spreads to blight spreads+rotten armor
unreal stirrup
turn literally every havoc game into a slog
pulsar aspen
How did they make it worse in your opinion?
limber cradle
Incentivizes dot and aoe spam now
lapis raft
Red and black is a pretty overplayed color scheme when it comes to videogames tb...
red and black is just broken colorscheme, needs to get nerfed ngl
limber cradle
Personally I associate it with the disposable "these guys are evil SHOOT THEM NO...
I agree tbh
Red and black is the color scheme of my edgy 14 year old self before I started to enjoy actual schemes
pulsar aspen
@unreal stirrup Sounds amazing.
vernal sluice
I remember reading somewhere that apparently a psychological study was done about this and the color scheme is subconsciously associated with aggression and a 'no quarter' attitude which is why no modern armed force would ever employ a color scheme like that
leaden fable
I think I'm going to tune a scum build just to do rotten armor btw
I'm very curious to see what you come up with, it does seem like consistent carapace damage is a challenge for scum
Especially ranged / desperado scum
leaden fable
Yeah I think that's probably the way
limber cradle
Rampage/Needler/Boosts to uhhhh
Rockets
Rocket with +1 use and Tox
Tox on melees
lapis raft
carapace damage is only problem for ranged scum so thats ez solution :d
limber cradle
Probably shivs?
leaden fable
Tox melee goes nuts
limber cradle
Shivs are good into cara and tox is tox
clever wren
red and black is just broken colorscheme, needs to get nerfed ngl
It's so low effort, teams will just fucking name themselves the Redblacks and see nothing wrong with that
https://www.ottawaredblacks.com/
lapis raft
shivs and knife murders carapace
zenith fern
blud using mouse with battery
sinful matrix
blud using mouse with battery
Wireless mice op
don't have to drag the stupid cord when aiming
zenith fern
have a large desk smh
zenith fern
I thought of getting a wireless for some time to consider the less wiring around my desktop
But ended up getting the LG G502
vast yoke
pooping rn ama
sinful matrix
But ended up getting the LG G502
I have a g502x lightspeed
zenith fern
I have a g502x lightspeed
why is that shit over 120€
sinful matrix
Could not tell you
warm ivy
why is that shit over 120€ <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
cause people pay it
leaden fable
Pretty typical price for a higher end gaming mouse tbh
unreal stirrup
i love rotten armor!!!!
leaden fable
Is the plasma gun ineffective against them?
unreal stirrup
melee and ranged
limber cradle
Plasma is kinda bad into cara anyway, let alone with rot armor
unreal stirrup
rotten armor used to only have ranged dr
zenith fern
i love rotten armor!!!!
what is that sound lmao
limber cradle
Iirc that bitch takes 4 shots to kill 1 crusher without modifiers
leaden fable
That's silly that's the whole point of the gun in the lore lmao
limber cradle
what is that sound lmao
A pool noodle hitting the side of the pool
unreal stirrup
not having krak is hell
zenith fern
A pool noodle hitting the side of the pool
thats the most accurate thing you could say
leaden fable
fwop
limber cradle
I mean just look at it
unreal stirrup
krak propaganda
limber cradle
Youre in scum chat man
You don't need to convince anyone to try crack
Im ngl that looks like chem nade prop
zenith fern
krak propaganda
whats this mod even about that i keep seeing in some peopel
leaden fable
Nerf veteran
unique spire
Nerf veteran <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Ogryn all over again
lavish cairn
is dumped stability any good on bolt pistol i feel like the talent tree gives a bunch of stability and scum loves mobility
lapis raft
whats this mod even about that i keep seeing in some peopel <:loregryn:103658067...
skitarius
zenith fern
what does it even do
lapis raft
you can configure it so it does combos for you
or just remapping what left click does, so you can just hold down left click for light attack spam etc
bronze glade
reeeee it's literally playing the game for you reeeeee
pulsar aspen
Exactly.
zenith pagoda
is dumped stability any good on bolt pistol i feel like the talent tree gives a ...
Dump collateral
zenith pagoda
Spread:
zenith pagoda
No
unique spire
Yes
zenith pagoda
You can't control what angle the game decides to shoot the bullet at
lavish cairn
Dump collateral
Thank you
unique spire
You can't control what angle the game decides to shoot the bullet at<:KEKW_ogryn...
Just shoot it very close
Duh
signal nebula
Had my first "okay yeah this class is silly" moment yesterday. Was a havoc 34, relay station, huge area that is after the drop down after first event.
2 teamies go down. Just me and another scum, both with about 10hp left. Had a Captain, 2 monsters and got knows how many elites and specials. He was on rampage and I was on box, both shivs/NP.
We dodge kited around the area for about 7m and managed to kill absolutely everything, after a bit I broke off and ascended the entire building complex, stopped a ritual and rescue both team mates with my tox bombs while the other guy cleared up.
Nimble and jittery together atm feel absolutely ridiculous
With shivs, you are just anime teleporting about lol
zenith fern
unique spire
First every Darktide imagine to make me laugh
Every?
Ever
Imagine????
Fuck
Image
vast yoke
been running boxscum a lot on havoc and just got a question. its a dependency boxcutter build but i have a choice between pickpocket + ruthian aura + 3 dependency, or 4 dependency, gunslinger improved aura without pickpocket
from my experience i dont seem to run dry with gunslinger improved but ofc i could be spamming it more with pickpocket in the build
icy scaffold
been running boxscum a lot on havoc and just got a question. its a dependency bo...
I’d do 4 dependency with pickpocket
Stim crate gives you a stack of dependency so it’s easy to upkeep stacks in comparison to other builds
vast yoke
yeah ik
livid raven
i mean
other builds don't have a problem keeping the stacks either
just have to remember to press the stim button
vast yoke
I’d do 4 dependency with pickpocket <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
atp id have to drop either jittery, float like a butterfly, coated weaponry (too vital in this build to drop), battering strikes, hive city brawler (hell no thats free 20% tdr) or punching above ones weight (considered this tbh)
eager reef
god rykens instgib build is so fun
icy scaffold
Why do you need coated weaponry?
eager reef
getting that double onshot on elites is peak
vast yoke
Why do you need coated weaponry?
its a box cutter crit build its very nice and drops my stim cd very quickly
its just a bit annoying cus punching above ones weight affects DOT damage
so im losing 15% DOT damage which kinda blows
maybe float like a butterfly? but man thats such a good node too 😭
eager reef
mfw too much cake
lapis raft
i just run this for crate build atm
even though i was very sad that i had to drop jittery and i did not rly wanted to
icy scaffold
its a box cutter crit build its very nice and drops my stim cd very quickly
I think I’d have to see the actual build to have more input ngl. Coated weaponry is probably the easiest to drop if you’re running chem nades or pocket toxin blinders
eager reef
i had to ween off jittery bc it was messing me up on other classes
lapis raft
i would never drop coated
vast yoke
yea
lapis raft
refresh on stacks is op
vast yoke
i think imma drop it down to 3 dependency
lapis raft
and so is double sample collctor
vast yoke
i lose like 300 dps on syringe pistol crusher kills if i drop elite 15%
vale breach
because of the hivescum ive been itching to play one in a rougetrader ttrpg
vast yoke
which feels kinda bad
or maybe just dropping float like a butterfly
i mean dependency will always be there and dodge triggers are jank
icy scaffold
even though i was very sad that i had to drop jittery and i did not rly wanted t...
You could drop the slide melee dodge node.
lapis raft
whats your setup atm urely you can drop something else
vast yoke
and my ass isnt dropping swift endurance
vale breach
id use the one i made for darktide but with some extended backstory stuff, like the fella having a pet cyber chimp ( not a jokaero) who pick pockets people
vale breach
slider 🫵
eager reef
if you take slippery customer and regained posture you can do some silly things while carrying stuff
icy scaffold
or maybe just dropping float like a butterfly
That’s true it’s only like 3 seconds and you’re not getting free procs since you’re not running desperado
lapis raft
i have dodge and crouch bound to same button, 10/10 fun
vast yoke
That’s true it’s only like 3 seconds and you’re not getting free procs since you...
yeah seems like the node doing the least here
and i am absolutely NOT dropping jittery
lapis raft
if you take slippery customer and regained posture you can do some silly things ...
nah you dont even need regained posture for that
scum has enough stam regen where you dont lose stam even when carrying stuffwhile spam sliding
icy scaffold
Plus if you’re using needle pistol for the big enemies, your melee is probably already handling everything else easily
livid raven
you are stamina positive if you slide while carring batteries
while keeping full momentum
kinda crazy
lapis raft
yea
vast yoke
Plus if you’re using needle pistol for the big enemies, your melee is probably a...
yeah needle is rlly just there for crusher ttk since box cutters melt everything including monsters and captain but just cant kill a crusher to save their own life lmao
and cus its needle
lapis raft
regained posture only good for stripped down memes but even that isnt very useful as you can run then spam slide a bit to regain stam and run again
vast yoke
yeah i dont abuse stripped down enough and im almost always at max stamina in melee cus not push attack reliant
eager reef
as an aside i can no longer not take boom bringer, as a back up "oh shit my team is in fact cheeks" get out of jail free card
fickle delta
Is + finesse for stims just crit and weakspot damage?
lapis raft
i switch between chem nade and rpg
eager reef
i switch between chem nade and rpg
i like chem more, but rocket has saved runs that were spiraling
lapis raft
so does chem, i mostly decide based on team
like if i have vet with kraks i just dont bother with rpg
eager reef
since i qp almost exclusively i have to assume that even if i get vets with krak their brain is too smooth to be make good use of them
unrelated but a got a 145 streak off a single rocket and that amuses me
gray loom
What perks and blessings should I be running on a Needle pistol to compliment an angry women with her crowbar?
lapis raft
i run this
the perks are fairly flexible as it just uses active weapon perks anyway, but i like flak and unyielding
gray loom
I am mainly using it to like, dome snipers I see while I am aggresively crushing peoples skulls in
eager reef
on the instagib build i swapped to ranged crit on melee kill specifically to build stacks on armor and bosses
as my crit bounces from 41 to 81
so it's entirely possible that while under the stim i get a single kill and have 100% crit
lapis raft
i just shoot one more time and dont worry much about maximizing the stacks per shot
gray loom
Crowbar my beloved <3
lapis raft
as 6 stacks murder anything i actually need to one tap anyway already
gray loom
I love beating people to death with a crowbar
eager reef
i feel i am forever getting the emperors most braindead and have to optimize damage so my team doest wipe to a plague ogryn
gray loom
I am too busy sniffing my stimms
lapis raft
even though run'n'gun is arguably not super important so def kinda flexible, i rly like it for blue mode tho very fun
gray loom
(My scums name is Stimmsniffer)
lapis raft
and if you actually optimize run n gun its also extra damage
livid raven
all the blessings for sneedler suck
run and gun is like one of the very few that does actually something
lapis raft
well you can look at it another way, stripped down having 0 opportunity cost is pretty op xd
gray loom
I am kinda shocked it didn't get anything special