hivescum-class

[broken moss]

dear God. my eyes aren't ready for naked ogyrns

[unreal stirrup]

only the branx

[random shuttle]

Nope

[unreal stirrup]

used to be able to 1 shot crusher

[random shuttle]

Now it's 2 shot, the tragedy

[hollow shell]

Feast your eyes on peak male performance

[unreal stirrup]

you can still use lights but they're slow because its branx

[final temple]

I suggest considering uncanny and precog. you can get you crit so high that the finesse damage overtakes any bleed you apply

[broken moss]

mutant brutes

[dreamy rover]

I just noticed shiv got the nerfed version of uncanny. Was that intentional?

[unreal stirrup]

precog have really bad uptime + 16 stack of bleed is a lot of damage

[hollow shell]

The emprah finest, put some respect on their name

[unreal stirrup]

I don't like it but some people swear by it

[hallow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-wh40k-ogryn-slap-gif-8187799919450448731

[unreal stirrup]

also bleed doesn't care about cleave damage

[final temple]

Yeah. I prefer precog for the big hits. Bleeds are more consistent if you don’t have reliably high crit

[unreal stirrup]

so it also better for horde clear since even if you lightly tickle something it still get 8 stack of bleed

relevant for both knife and shiv

[tranquil fjord]

which weapon on scum benefits the most from the attack speed bonuses of that one talent

[unreal stirrup]

uncanny + flesh is just a nice balance of single target + horde clear

[tranquil fjord]

combat axe, or

[unreal stirrup]

it not really noticable unless you're running more than 1 stam curios tbh

but taxe

[exotic temple]

I’d have to see what you are talking about. I’ve seen something similar to what you are describing but I wouldn’t consider them hatchet size.

[pallid quail]

the purpose of something is what it does

ergo if you can use it as a hatchet it is hatchet sized

[final temple]

I would say bone saw. not because it makes it the best but because it makes it more usable and thus rise in overall strength

[broken moss]

you get no speed bonus from Stam on curios

[final temple]

look for swiss mercenary weapons of the 17th century. you will find pickaxes, hammers and hatchets repurposed from regular tools for mercenary use. these are the precursors of more sophisticated types like the luzernian hammer.

[broken moss]

this was tested in exhausting detail by me and another member

[bronze glade]

kuli confirmed it works

[charred bronze]

actually, that's a psychanium bug

[bronze glade]

it didn't work for me in the psyk

but it worked for others

[unreal stirrup]

bruh i just bought paradise killer and it became free on egs literally week after

[charred bronze]

the speed works in-game

Like Sirosky said, Kuli frame tested the speed increase in-game

[unreal stirrup]

also work in solo play

[charred bronze]

so, all that work we did was to confirm a psychanium bug =/

[unreal stirrup]

yes

like how +3 stamina is a scam until 410

[final temple]

in these cases I just say ‘fuck you, EGS. your free games won’t entice me to use your shitty platform. I rather pay for these games!’

[broken moss]

so why do I feel no different even in game?

[unreal stirrup]

free is free

I prefer having them on steam but yeah

[final temple]

EGS is a plight on gamerkind.

it should be branded traitoris extremis

[broken moss]

now I'm gonna have to que up for a bunch of matches and ditch em to test

[unreal stirrup]

it isn't a plight when it literally have zero fucking impact outside being shit on

[charred bronze]

a couple of people reported that it worked in the psych for them, so you could potentially be affected by a different issue with the ability. You'd have to do framespeed testing

[broken moss]

blame fatshark on that one

[bronze glade]

make sure to run 9 stam

[unreal stirrup]

same for the crate bug

[charred bronze]

I did the same thing. I felt bad for the uprising players I did that too, but I figured they'd be best suited to survive with bots

[final temple]

you mean apart from Sweeney constantly trying to push devs into platform exclusivity STILL.

[broken moss]

framespeed testing???

I get 150fps but I'll be damned if my attack speed is linked to frame rate. that would be shit

[bronze glade]

sweeney is such a little shit

even as greedy fuck CEOs go

[unreal stirrup]

because that the most reliable way to do it

also accurate

[final temple]

gladly, most companies tell him off now cause the data shows it just ain’t worth it

[broken moss]

if I need to measure frames to feel the difference, that's not much of a difference

[charred bronze]

no, record a segment of gameplay for both with and without the curios, and compare the number of swings within a certain number of frames, or see how many frames it takes for an animation to complete.

I'm not 100% on how it works

[unreal stirrup]

yeah because there isn't much of a difference if you're running 1 stam curios

[broken moss]

I feel a 10% buff from random tree nodes

[final temple]

I am confused. What other metric do you have to measure speed than by normalized frame counts?

[broken moss]

I have 3x 2 stam

if that's not producing crack cocaine levels of speed, it's not worth it

[unreal stirrup]

that like 12% extra attack speed which isn't that noticable

also why not 3x 3

[pallid quail]

idk use ur eyes n count the atks lmao ??

[broken moss]

and it was giving me a boost even without Stam curios, by simply having the ability

[charred bronze]

probably couldn't find them. I'm still waiting on a 17% toughness

[broken moss]

so IDK why it would not register the curios in meat grinder but still work otherwise

[final temple]

I am done on my curio roulette. got 3 17.

[unreal stirrup]

melk moment

[final temple]

yep. last one was a random curio from melk

[charred bronze]

technically I need 2 more 17s, but I'm liking 2x 17 and a 21 health right now

[bronze glade]

you're done... until then next class comes out

[unreal stirrup]

yeah

[bronze glade]

(curio rework when ffs)

[final temple]

please, sah, don’t play with my little mind like that

[broken moss]

at this point they just need to be craftable

and just get rid of melk

[random shuttle]

We got confirmation of next class already

it's a Necron Cryptek

[final temple]

you mean the datamine?

[bronze glade]

admech confirmed

[broken moss]

wait what?

[final temple]

what if it’s just a random code snippet not indicative on changing developing priorities?

[broken moss]

aren't necrons considered xenos?

[charred bronze]

I'm sure that 1% makes a HUGE difference lol

I just hate the asymmetry

[near mauve]

yeah we're gonna play as xenos bro

[tight musk]

Darktide be like: "yeah, I'd crash."

[broken moss]

heresy

[charred bronze]

necrons are xenos. Xenos souls (or what passes for them) in mechanical receptacles

[near mauve]

damnation even

[random shuttle]

nah man in recent lore Necrons won a cricket match with Imperium and since then we are all gucci gang

[random shuttle]

Ugh akchually

Necrons are soulless

[broken moss]

so yea. that ain't happening

[random shuttle]

that's kinda the whole thing

[final temple]

I mean. There IS a chance we could end up with some fringe xenos agent class one day like aeldari ranger or jokaero or something wild.

[random shuttle]

[charred bronze]

I thought the rank and file necrons were, but the 'named' characters still had a sense of self or whatever

[broken moss]

I have to imagine they'd do admech long before that

[final temple]

they are still soulless but they retained their ‘identity matrix’

[random shuttle]

Being soulless in Warhammer doesn't mean you dont have personality. Blanks exists in hoomanity too.

[charred bronze]

then again, I played necrons before the third gigantic lore rework to make them more socially complex

[random shuttle]

I mean

[near mauve]

fatshark devs when they never wanted to ad mech but everyone wants ad mech in the game

[charred bronze]

so I'm hazy on the new stuff

[random shuttle]

being soulless even IRL doesn't mean you can't have personality

just look at all the CEOs

😏

[charred bronze]

too real

[broken moss]

makes more sense that xenos

[final temple]

pretty sure that datamine is just blown out of proportion. I mean we know they are exploring ideas. so seeing ‘cryptic’ as an archetype label could mean admech personality.

[broken moss]

and commanding a horde of servo skulls would be dope

[unreal stirrup]

so called powerscaling when the the rejects kill 1% population of tertium per mission

[near mauve]

the only logical next class is a grey knight

they exist in dark heresy!

[unreal stirrup]

I need to play rogue trader

[final temple]

Btw, what I have seen of Dark Heresy looks promising.

[broken moss]

I think a failed space marine aspirant would be potentially boring, but feasible to add to the game

but not an actual space marine

[keen timber]

for db, what perks do you normally go? I'd assume it's flak maniac or flak unyielding

[keen timber]

pretty sure most aspirants that fail, die.

[charred bronze]

I thought they existed in the normal continuity? I vividly recall gray knights being OP af on tabletop, and they weren't a weird one-off release like the original egyptian looking necrons were

[unreal stirrup]

flakiac because you're not killing bosses with db lmao

[charred bronze]

db?

[final temple]

there is the chance that a failed aspirant ends up in the service of the order and might decide to bail. not impossible

[broken moss]

my understanding is that some make it the whole way and just don't end up accepting the final implants that allow them to link with the armor

[keen timber]

double barrel

[unreal stirrup]

manstopper + the one that give crit on hit

[keen timber]

the black carapace?

[fallen void]

i just did a mission with 3 seperate ragequitters KILL ME NOW

[broken moss]

yes

[unreal stirrup]

auric storm survivor moment

[keen timber]

yeah that makes sense

[livid raven]

personally i wish it wasn't dogshit

[near mauve]

yes but this game is loosely based on dark heresy or something

[fallen void]

not even auric, fucking damnation qp

[charred bronze]

Oooh. What blessings for db? I just got them 20 mastery buying greens and blues from the shop

[broken moss]

so they're basically space Marines, but can't wear power armor

[livid raven]

not really

[broken moss]

but... it isn't 🤔

[livid raven]

it is

[broken moss]

like anything it could be better but it's plenty strong

at least my build for it is

[charred bronze]

ahh, you don't play a gray knight in DH though. You're still a lowly inquisitorial acolyte.

[livid raven]

it's plenty weak

[broken moss]

[final comet]

thoughts on best blessings for needle gun? Most of em look poopy to me

[livid raven]

because they are

gloryhunter and something else

[final temple]

run n gun and stripped down both have at least appreciable effects on it.

[iron patrol]

run n gun and whatever else you feel like using

[charred bronze]

I put deathspitter and run n gun on the db, since reducing spread and +15% damage seemed good, but I could be missing something

[near mauve]

ive been lied to its so overive been lied to its so over

[unreal stirrup]

dot doesn't proc glory hunter iirc

[final comet]

sounds like run and gun and glory hunter then

[livid raven]

owned

[livid raven]

reducing spread doesn't do much for db

it has a sharp damage falloff

[unreal stirrup]

Just run the one that make you immune to ranged when sprinting and one with cleave

[fallen void]

anyway, this perk lineup looks good?

[livid raven]

no

melee weak spot damage is useless, take carapace or flak

[vast yoke]

honestly my main stinker with crowbar is chaxe12 kinda just does the same thing but with better blessings, crowby could use better blessings and it'd be fine

[unreal stirrup]

you want to aim on needler due to low mag size + the spread is still bad even with it

[livid raven]

could use better overall base cleave and faster attack speed for the heavy loop

[unreal stirrup]

weakspot damage mean bonus damage that based off the weakspot bonus damage

so its 10% of damage of the amount of damage added by the weakspot hit

[final temple]

run and gun is for being able to shoot while sprinting. stripped makes you ranged immune. it’s so you can sprint at the gunner line and spike em

[vast yoke]

weakspot damage is less than 5% increased damage~ on headshots for the shivs cus you're basically only adding 10% damage to the added damage of weakspot, go for Cara, Elite, crit chance or stamina instead imo

[livid raven]

it's like

3%

[charred bronze]

this is what I use:

when I run shivs, anyway

[fallen void]

allow me to copy you rq

[unreal stirrup]

for example normal hit does 100 and ws does 150 10% weakspot damage just mean like 5 damage

[broken moss]

uncanny

[vast yoke]

yeah I was being generous

[tender forge]

Uncanny

[charred bronze]

Uncanny in for what?

[tender forge]

Id do uncanny over precog

[icy scaffold]

If you use chem dependency you can do uncanny over riposte

[final temple]

precog uncanny. that’s my call. and yeah. with chem dep.

[unreal stirrup]

giving up riposte on a crit based weapon lol

[tender forge]

I like 100% cc

[fallen void]

whats your dual stub setup?

[livid raven]

i do riposte uncanny

[charred bronze]

keep Riposte or go executor?

[tender forge]

30+20+20

On dodges at max chem stacks

[livid raven]

executor is the instakill right?

[charred bronze]

I don't use stubs. Only Daps and IAG for desperado, and needler for rampage

[tender forge]

Thats haymaker innit

[livid raven]

true

i hate the names

[charred bronze]

That's Haymaker yeah. Makes no sense, but w/e

[tender forge]

Think executer is repeated strikes for weakspot hits

[fallen void]

guess i'll freestyle something

[limber cradle]

Personally I run flak/maniacs/run and gun/sustained fire on them as melee back ups if I don't want to use the op ass needler

[radiant swift]

I think haymaker could be ok on a mk3 shiv

[livid raven]

i don't think so

[keen timber]

hmmm ok what does hive db look like actually? I've got this rn, I'm sitting on 4 points and idk where to stick them

[radiant swift]

main issue is the use case not really existing right now

[charred bronze]

I use mk I when I run them. Not good enough to reliably get the single target combo out on the mk III in sticky situations. I wanna be able to stab dangerous elites/ogryns dead asap

[bronze glade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0909dc2-3b46-4c65-86f5-738473a4a423/inferno-hiveker

[vast yoke]

the corkscrews heavy 1 technically hits twice and is capable of killing 2 Maulers in 1 heavy in perfect situations

[unreal stirrup]

yeah if mk3 have good cleave on the heavy lol

it is decent but it not a lot

[keen timber]

thoughts on chem dep vs vulture?

[radiant swift]

also doesn't proc "on kills" iirc

[bronze glade]

chem is more consistent crit, which is what you care most about with DB

[livid raven]

nice portrait bro

[unreal stirrup]

you also have to give up other blessing for it

[bronze glade]

DB doesn't get much benefit from vulture dodge

[charred bronze]

vulture is absurdly good. take chem dep if you want to wean yourself off of it before the inevitable nerf.

[final temple]

https://tenor.com/view/iseentit-seenit-seentit-gif-13058925

[unreal stirrup]

chem dep nerf?

[charred bronze]

no vulture's dodge nerf

[unreal stirrup]

shit need buff

[vast yoke]

ngl you don't even need desperado with db scum. for havoc i often need to run stim box cus corruption so i ended up running tax + db 4dependency box builds and it works fantastic

[keen timber]

I dont care about vultures dodge

It's db

[livid raven]

i don't think it hits twice

[keen timber]

it's gonna be useless

[charred bronze]

no announcements or anything, but we're all expecting certain talents to get hit in the new year

[vast yoke]

uhh after i finish shitting ill bring up a vid

[unreal stirrup]

It doesn't

[livid raven]

it should

but it doesn't

[final temple]

No I mean I have seen shivs do that. Several times.

[keen timber]

I feel like maintaining vultures stacks is pretty easy though

[limber cradle]

Personally idk why you wouldn't run vultures

[keen timber]

i could take the extra duration if i really needed it

yeah

[vast yoke]

it doesn't hit twice at one target, it's capable of hitting two targets though. i will send vid let me just shit

[charred bronze]

I've definitely double killed maulers, ragers etc. with the overhead stab. I think it has a wide 'hit zone' though, and it's not* a double strike per se

[keen timber]

exactly

[livid raven]

isn't that just cleave

[unreal stirrup]

yeah but you want crit for infinite cleave

[vast yoke]

no

[limber cradle]

Beyond vultures being dumb strong it feels good

I love movement and damage

[bronze glade]

Dodge is useless because you spend half the game reloading so might as well just go dep imo

[keen timber]

ok but i miss out at 5% crit at max.

[vast yoke]

it's a very specific interaction that triggers haymaker very weirdly

[keen timber]

Im not talking about vultures dodge though

[vast yoke]

It's a meme anyway

[keen timber]

im talking about the actual keystone that actually does things

[bronze glade]

I know there’s other benefits

[vast yoke]

pooping rn

[bronze glade]

I’d rather still take dep

[final temple]

I am going to say something controversial: Scum’s keystones could be better.

[vast yoke]

that's not controversial at all

[unreal stirrup]

nah

only dependency

[limber cradle]

Adrenaline is weird but I like it tbh

[unreal stirrup]

adrenaline permanent 25% melee damage is broken as shit

[limber cradle]

Chem Dep feels like a nothing keystone to me

[unreal stirrup]

also it build up PER enemy hit

[tender forge]

Thats not permenant...

Its only for 20 seconds innit

[unreal stirrup]

it is permanent

yeah for 20 seconds if your entire pc crash

[dreamy rover]

I don't. You need one or two nodes to make it work.

[unreal stirrup]

because it is impossible to not have permanent uptime on it

[final temple]

dependency is the best of the bunch. Adrenaline is too cumbersome and has a point tax to make it useable. vulture’s is kinda superfluous by itself. chem dep has a very situational baseline advantage. they all need a redesign.

[unreal stirrup]

so about the same node tax as other keystone

[limber cradle]

You're taking 1-2 nodes on all of em ime

[broken moss]

not technically but if you're constantly hitting shit you can keep it up pretty well

[bronze glade]

you also don't NEED the adren subnodes

[tender forge]

Ok this was what I thought

[unreal stirrup]

it is permanent

[bronze glade]

they don't actually increase the power of adren

[unreal stirrup]

you only need the 20 seconds one really

[radiant swift]

notablly two of them don't even really stack

[limber cradle]

I'm not gonna not take the toughness per second node on adren tbh

[tender forge]

Sometimes there is like 25 seconds of downtime

[broken moss]

most the adrenaline sub nodes are shit

[bronze glade]

you could even skip that on some builds

it just depends

[unreal stirrup]

I personally run weakspot hit + 20s adrenaline

[dreamy rover]

Yeah, but you have to keep up with the stacks before they fall off. By the time it kicks in most of the stuff is already dead.

[broken moss]

I keep the 20 seconds and that's it

[unreal stirrup]

fast build up + easy to ipkeep

[radiant swift]

the increased on WP hit and increased on kill, only stack if you get a weakspot kill last I checked

[bronze glade]

i think the weakspot node is kinda ass tbh

[unreal stirrup]

adrenaline stack per enemy hit

[bronze glade]

on many weapons you're just not getting high enough weakspot rate

even when aiming explicitly at the weakspot

[unreal stirrup]

3 stack per weakspot hit per enemy

[charred bronze]

smiter and stoked rage yeah. I have the toughness as a 'nice to have', but realistically you're building toughness by murdering things as scum 99% of the time, I think

[broken moss]

unless you're hitting 100% weak spot, or very close to it, the weak spot node is shit

[unreal stirrup]

also you only need 1 point to make adrenaline have permanent uptime

[bronze glade]

yes and none for non-weakspot hits, which is going to be a good chunk of your melee hits

[broken moss]

at 50% weak spot hit you're wasting a point

[keen timber]

chem dep feels like it's reliant on extra nodes to actually do anything. i really dont like it.

[charred bronze]

smiter is much better

[keen timber]

ok where do I put my remaining 4 points here

[limber cradle]

Tbh I have most if not all of my characters set at a height to where headshots are default

[unreal stirrup]

idk how yall do it but i usually have 30+ weakspot rate on melee

[dreamy rover]

its not permanent

[bronze glade]

smiter is good

[unreal stirrup]

it is permanent

[bronze glade]

assassin is a fucking sidegrade

[unreal stirrup]

😔

[bronze glade]

that costs 1 point

[unreal stirrup]

the one that give stack on kill is meh tbh

[bronze glade]

hypercrit if you're running shivs or something?

[bronze glade]

that's the good one my man

[broken moss]

yea 38-45 is around my average

[charred bronze]

What are you guys using to get a full screen of your talent builds?

[limber cradle]

I genuinely don't get using it. The CDR is whatever, the crit is nice but ime unnecessary with how much I crit anyway, and I don't need it to restore my toughness.

[tender forge]

See I just use chem dependency with supply

[keen timber]

well i could go get pocket tox

[final temple]

I think a good quick fix for chem dep would be switching its baseline with the toughness node.

[keen timber]

yeah I'd rather have the damage on vultures

[tender forge]

Like I planned on doing before the class came out

[bronze glade]

gameslantern

[unreal stirrup]

doesn't proc when fighting something like bosses

[broken moss]

which is why I leave it alone

[unreal stirrup]

chem dep need to reduce stim cd fr fr

[bronze glade]

bosses never spawn alone anyway

[limber cradle]

Damage? And movement? For doing what I'm doing anyway? Sign me the fuck up.

[broken moss]

I want it proccing on everything I do

[warm axle]

+1 blitz and chemmed cooldown on kill on the right, then vulture crit invuln.

[bronze glade]

you're oftentimes not hitting weakspots on bosses either

[unreal stirrup]

skill issue

[bronze glade]

cope

[radiant swift]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-sad-cat-true-morgan-freeman-gif-2550818640546449257

[broken moss]

yea but if you're hitting them proper you won't be hitting anything else. and thus not getting any stacks

[near mauve]

officer this man hits the chaos's spawns head with 100% accuracy

[keen timber]

crit invuln pointless

I'm using db

extra blitz charges is a good idea though

[unreal stirrup]

I mean it just take 10 hit to refresh adrenaline

im a taxe enjoyer though can't imagine that on caxe

[radiant swift]

something something it's dependant on the weapon something something

[unreal stirrup]

I still think it better on majority of the weapon

[charred bronze]

vultures is great even without nodes. 15% crit, damage, and movement, plus toughness gen for you AND allies on killing an elite?

The nodes just make it better. Immunity on crits? My Vulture's Dodge uptime tends to be very very good.

I do wish the knockback node let it stack to 4 though instead like some other keystones do

[keen timber]

ONE node makes it better. the other two are kinda nothingburgers

[radiant swift]

I feel like on shivs or taxe the ws one is prolly a good call, something slower or with different swing patterns smitter would be better

[charred bronze]

vulture's dodge is awesome, the extra duration is great

[unreal stirrup]

I mean is there anything but taxe, caxe, shiv, knife worth using on scum

[keen timber]

the extra duration isn't needed

[radiant swift]

I like my CHaxe and CHord

[keen timber]

it's entirely irrelevant

[charred bronze]

how so?

[keen timber]

higher difficulties spawn enough elites and specials u simply dont struggle to upkeep stacks

[broken moss]

saw and crowbar

[keen timber]

saw is mid as fuck imo

[unreal stirrup]

we are not going over this again

[radiant swift]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-buddha-chuddha-chud-nothing-ever-happens-gif-5905117637949226818

[bronze glade]

He said worth using

[random shuttle]

So guys

Anyone excited for Concord 2?

[iron patrol]

a lot

i have a stopwatch ready

[keen timber]

TRUE

[random shuttle]

Wait no, it's Concord 4. I am losing my track of all the Concord sequels.

[charred bronze]

hm, there are enough lulls at auric it seems valuable to me. I'll try with and without and see how my uptime changes

[iron patrol]

saw users when shiv attack speed with tox on crit walks in

[final temple]

Could’ve made Titanfall 3. But nah. Let’s produce something entirely superfluous.

[dim moth]

It's going to be so goddamn funny, but also it's probably going to be a good game xd

[unreal stirrup]

saw user when there flak enemy

[random shuttle]

Watching HIGHGUARD trailer really raised my blood pressure to mild.

[dim moth]

As if Respawn has ever had a choice since EA poached them lmao

[charred bronze]

people like chaxe, h sword, and the combat blade never stopped being good. Saw a conversation last night where folks were talking about the assault chainsword too, I think?

[iron patrol]

they killed titanfall 2

[broken moss]

I said what I said

saw is fuckin amazing

[final temple]

Given the Bioware disaster I am not too sure these studios are to be considered blameless.

[broken moss]

y'all just got skissues

[radiant swift]

the way my face contorted when the lightning dude pulled out a normal assualt rifle

[random shuttle]

I am excited

[iron patrol]

what does saw do that shiv cant do better?

[random shuttle]

2026 we gonna get at least 3 new Concords.

That's amazing.

[broken moss]

single target

[keen timber]

frankly, you probably dont NEED it, in those luls though

like, it'll be up when it's relevant and down when it's not

[iron patrol]

cant wait for the AAA bankrupt era so we get a great game reset

[iron patrol]

wrong

[broken moss]

I tested both against a plogryn and saw did significantly more damage

[broken moss]

yes, you are

[random shuttle]

As for the topic at hand

[dim moth]

my ass be playing indie games and decade old MMOs

[charred bronze]

hm, fair. I'll see if there's a place in the tree I'd prefer to have that point. I gave up entirely on every melee node for the current build

[final temple]

I am usually a saw apologist but I am not sure I would place it above shivs.

[random shuttle]

why does it matter if Saw does anything better than Shivs? Genuine question - even if it doesnt (which is contested above!) it still does Well Enough to be perfectly good.

[broken moss]

only vs single target

[iron patrol]

i have 210 unplayed games, i can and will play through my library until the industry locks the fuck in

[dim moth]

I like saw gameplay wise but I haaaaate the sound design

[random shuttle]

The S-tier obsession is a mindrot!

[bronze glade]

Saw feels like shit to use

[random shuttle]

Free yourself!

[dim moth]

The sound design makes it feel like shit to use more than anything

[bronze glade]

Cardinal sin

I don’t even care that it’s mid

It just feels bad to use

[radiant swift]

real

[broken moss]

but shivs so boring id play anything else just to stay awake

[dim moth]

I love my boring LMB spam lawnmower weapons

[random shuttle]

This is the only true argument against Saw I will respect

[final temple]

it’s less about s tier and more that the characteristics of a weapon inform build choices and vice versa. wanting to make informed decisions has merit.

[random shuttle]

[broken moss]

only if you don't build it right

[charred bronze]

question: does pocket toxin cause chem grenade to apply additional stacks?

[broken moss]

with full cleave it actually shreds hordes

[final temple]

no.

[iron patrol]

shivs give the feeling of "i am a crackhead on the peak of a tweaking episode" feeling very well

[dim moth]

no no like even built right it feels like shit

[broken moss]

I just wish it's heavy string felt better

[unreal stirrup]

https://youtu.be/vQq36CrDFiI

[broken moss]

I think it feels great.

[bronze glade]

lol bro I’ve tried

[dim moth]

the bad feel of it is because of the awkward sticky heavies and the pathetic sound the light attacks make

really just irk me

[broken moss]

chalk it up to preference

[bronze glade]

Nothing makes saw feel good to me

[dim moth]

even if I like the weapon

it does not feel good to use

[random shuttle]

I am a big Indie Game Enjoyer

Played over 150 of them this year

[broken moss]

I love it. but I DO think the heavy string sucks

[final temple]

there is a near endless catalogue of jrpgs waiting for me to get off the tide.

[random shuttle]

It's true. After first movie all sequels were just rehash of the concept.

[broken moss]

not enough tox applied for the cost and the best swing is like the 4th swing in the string

[dim moth]

and rhythm games :)

[random shuttle]

My only weakness

I can't play two genres

Rhythm games

and JRPGs

[dim moth]

smh missing out on such stunning visuals as uuuuh

hm

p sure this one's a custom level...

[iron patrol]

god i do not have the willpower needed to keep track of shit in jrpg s

[random shuttle]

I already played all JRPGs

don't need to play more

[broken moss]

came as far as we have the last 35+ years, only to go right back to Gameboy classic graphics

[charred bronze]

bout to say, congratulations on your pregnancy. That first pic looks kinda like an ultrasound

[zenith pagoda]

Ew rotten armour is back

[broken moss]

wait what

[charred bronze]

needler kinda trivializes it, I'm hearing

[broken moss]

tox trivializes armor in general. bypasses it entirely

[iron patrol]

love my meth pistol with infinite AP

[charred bronze]

needler is low key one of scum's most broken weapons

[broken moss]

at least that's how it seems in my testing. I imagine they're going to integrate DR for it at some point

[iron patrol]

hell crit on tox shivs lets you just vaccinate the hordes

[random shuttle]

Dont think so

[charred bronze]

the only thing that saves it from being completely broken is a relatively slow ttk

[random shuttle]

the dots are supposed to be a counter for the modifier

[broken moss]

till they add resists for crushers and shit

which is likely coming

[charred bronze]

which would be stupid. I hope they don't do that

[random shuttle]

they wont

[charred bronze]

the only stuff it's bad at killing right now is infested

[iron patrol]

crushers do have resist, you gotta shoot them 5 times to kill, i shoot twice and then go ham with shivs

[broken moss]

they doubled crusher HP cuz they want people to fight them. now people just run tox scum and skip them

[charred bronze]

they die on 3, 5 is max stacks for a faster kill

[broken moss]

5?

you mean 5 pistol shots?

cuz that's like 30 stacks or something

[charred bronze]

5 needler shots, yeah. Tick doesn't increase in damage with the 6th needle

[broken moss]

yea

I did think that was kinda weird

[keen timber]

I feel like them buffing crusher hp is fine but it makes weaps that are bad into crushers really struggle

[broken moss]

exactly 5. but nothing for 6

[zenith pagoda]

Lmao it's funny my full tox build hivescum clearance 40 true survivor is being rejected

[final temple]

luv me emprah.
luv me drugs.
simple as.

[zenith pagoda]

On rotten armour lobbies

[charred bronze]

lol

[zenith pagoda]

Scum weak class

[iron patrol]

scum is probably the best DoT applier

[zenith pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-gif-12554037691025205909

[iron patrol]

high crit so easy bleed, needle exists

[unreal stirrup]

psyker erasure

[fallen void]

xavierosis

[iron patrol]

we do not talk of the spark heads

[broken moss]

idk man.. warp fire pretty easy to apply lol

[fallen void]

in all honesty

kill all warp witches

[broken moss]

I do think tox is the strongest dot by a mile, in a vacuum

[random shuttle]

ok

crit archetype in mortis on melee shiv scum

is stupid op XD

[iron patrol]

would yall want a full crit tox scum with needle and shivs or inferno brain burst great sword psyker on your team?

[unreal stirrup]

warpfire is stronger but need high stack

[exotic temple]

I’ll take your word for it, I looked but it’s all halberds and Lucerne hammers.

[broken moss]

anyone got the sheet for warp fire stacks?

[unreal stirrup]

kunny moment

[broken moss]

tox at max hits for what, 600+ per tick?

[iron patrol]

575?

[broken moss]

thought it was like 638 or something

[iron patrol]

or was it 595

[broken moss]

pretty sure it's over 600 with headshots

500s seems low

[final temple]

the point I am trying to make is that this is less a matter of weapon category and more of moveset. we already have axe attacks attacking with the spike/ back of the axe that is just as dangerous as blunt force bypassing what the plate itself (without padding) is meant to protect against.

[unreal stirrup]

soulblaze: stronger at high stack
toxin: better armor adm

[exotic temple]

My thing is I don’t like the design of a light fast weapon being able to do horde clear and anti armor without some major cd investment

[broken moss]

yea I've not found purg psyker to be amazing into cara

[unreal stirrup]

yeah because it have 0.1 csra adm

[broken moss]

I've seen people say it's amazing into it, simply because you can do damage to packs at once. but it still takes ages to kill em lol

[unreal stirrup]

toxin is stronger in shorter amount of time while soulblaze last longer

[broken moss]

scum with a rocket comes in and nukes the same pack in one shot

yea tox falls off rather quickly

[tender marten]

love rocket

[exotic temple]

I made a (really shitty) bec de Corbin and I have doubts you could actually penetrate plate on an upright opponent. It’s would be more like knocking them down and pickaxing them. Like it would fuck up a 55 gallon drum but it would skid off cosplay helms and stuff

[grand jewel]

was very noticible in rotten because soulblaze isn't lowered in damage from rotten, and there was big packs, so you'd just stack SB and spam uncanny

chem nades and something keeping them in it would probably do wonders

[dim moth]

rocket and krak gaming

[broken moss]

what does uncanny do for warp fire?

thought it was a base # and wasn't modified by armor

[grand jewel]

rending

[exotic temple]

But it’s complicated because even shitty mild steel is better than wrought iron so it’s not really a fair comparison

[tender marten]

Uncanny affects global adms

[grand jewel]

makes it rend

even just on bubble purga I was doing like 7-800 damage ticks, a shrieker would pretty easily get into 1k

uncanny/superiority deimos my beloved

[bronze glade]

uncanny + SB

high skill gameplay

by psyker standards

[grand jewel]

the amount of people that don't know they work together is worrying

[bronze glade]

tbf

i'd be most people in the game don't know how rendle/brittle/adm work

and you need to know how rending/adm work to put 2+2 together for this

[vast yoke]

I AM FUCKING TIRED OF THESE DESYNCS

ONE GAME ITS FINE ANOTHER ITS FINE AND THE THIRD I AM OUT OF SYNC AND KEEP DISCONNECTING

THESE SERVERS ARE ASS

[clear isle]

yeah tell me about it

the second I notice my character sliding I instantly quit and restart my game

[dim moth]

and ALSO be aware that uncanny applies to all damage and isn't localized like most weapon blessings are

[unreal stirrup]

yeah because its a selfbuff

[clear isle]

bros, have you got a good crate build? Im playing with it and I gotta say it feels painful compared to rampage and desperado

right side of tree from crate onwards feels sucky in general (barring pocket toxin and coated weaponry)

[limber cradle]

I wish sample collector had easier pathing tbh

I also wish they picked anything other than coherency radius

[bronze glade]

it's not that bad is it?

[limber cradle]

You're gonna have to cut my pinkies off before I take loose coherency

[bronze glade]

you don't need to take it tho

[limber cradle]

Thats the cheapest routing

[bronze glade]

i never take it

[limber cradle]

Im spending like 3 points to get into the tree and take it that I don't spend otherwise so I don't take it

[bronze glade]

it's the same cost as extra blitz pathing

[limber cradle]

Yeah

I don't

Really benefit from extra blitz either

[dim moth]

ngl

[bronze glade]

i always welcome extra blitz

[dim moth]

I will never willingly pick increased coherency radius on any character if it doesn't come with something else

[limber cradle]

Its fine but I run black outs so its like "okay"

[placid prairie]

Yeah that’s fair

Blackouts are rather generous

[bronze glade]

i never run coherency radius yeah

[dim moth]

you know like this

[limber cradle]

They could've just not put loose formation in the tree tbh

[clear isle]

tbh the only time Ive ever seen someone who knows what coherency radius is and still uses it is on vet, to get demolition team procs faster

[dim moth]

oh I pick it because I play exe vet and 20% of my toughness regen is an insane amount to give the whole fuckin' team

[clear isle]

there's a lot of vets that refuse to even run that, its a little goofy

[clear isle]

same, I don't need that many grenades but then again I dont play havoc so idk if that's the reason

[bronze glade]

because demo team is right there and basically a mandatory talent

[limber cradle]

Yeah, basically

[clear isle]

huh, I usually run born leader over demo team in all my builds

+1 blitz for hive ganger is still better than coherency radius though, one extra can or rocket aint too great but it aint too bad either

[bronze glade]

yeah

i mean coherency radius sets a pretty low bar lol

[dim moth]

every time I think I don't need demo team I am immediately in a match and like "why tf am I out of grenades"

[clear isle]

damn how many grenades are you using??

[bronze glade]

yeh

it's huge value

unless you're on malice or something

[limber cradle]

"Why don't I have free infinite grenades forever, I'm on vet?"

[radiant swift]

real

[bronze glade]

all of them

i shit grenades constantly

[dim moth]

a LOT

[bronze glade]

it's vet's job

[clear isle]

frag grenade user?

[radiant swift]

I need to do a full grenade build

[bronze glade]

shitting grenades all the time

[dim moth]

the only grenade I have ever succesfully ran without demo team is with smokes

and even then demo team is extremely noticable because just chuck them at literally any ranged enemy that is a problem

use them to be completely immune to ranged enemies, flamers, and hounds for the entire game

make the dome psyker feel inferior because THEY ARE

[bronze glade]

the chad smoke enjoyer vs. the virgin bubble freak

[clear isle]

ig I need to use a lot more of them then, I tried smokes for a while but immediately swapped off once I was done with the penenace

you know Ive got a question

I see a lot of stimm supply players use chemical dependency. why?

doesn't practised deployment make it instantly come back when your stimm is ready?

[radiant swift]

becuase without really looking at what it does, they should synergize

but then you look at it

and are left wondering why they are in the same tree

[dim moth]

I use it for the crit chance

adrenaline is just better tho

crit chance is for the meme

[clear isle]

it was driving me crazy bcz literally every build is either chemical dependency or no keystone

on reddit, on yt, even on gameslantern

[clear isle]

damn, thats a little disappointing

[bronze glade]

don't trust any of those sources for builds tbh

[clear isle]

well there wasn't anything in the pinned messages in this channel for stimm supply, and I didnt see anything in the discord search

not really anywhere else left if not for those 4

[bronze glade]

understandable, cuz crate sucks

[clear isle]

it really does feel like that, I basically just need something decent until I can get all the penances done

[bronze glade]

it's honestly ok

but i just don't like giving my team buffs

[clear isle]

I usually love playing support/medic characters but that's literally a death sentence in this game

I cannot place my well-being in the hands of randoms who keep ignoring resources like medicae

[ruby token]

Is it just me or does the crowbar have no range

[clear isle]

idk I havent had that issue

[junior field]

Bro is NOT part of the team

[mighty belfry]

People don't know that's the rotten armor meta yet lol

Full tox is insane when you build it right.

[junior field]

It’s what I thought bleed zealot would be

I use shivs w coated

[icy scaffold]

Probably for the crit chance and DR. Maybe they’re using maxed out stims too?

[clear isle]

it feels weird though. why do that when adrenaline is there? a lot of these builds already take skills in the middle tree and just have to take the keystone

[icy scaffold]

I haven’t really looked at those builds but maybe they’re playing a mix of range and melee?

[winter galleon]

if you set it up right you can get the cd on stim pack just before cd on stim. and double up the buff now that it applies the buff without needing stim up, unintentional big buff that can be kinda exploity

[clear isle]

so then why take practised deployment?

you have one talent, and it replaces the entire CD part of dependency, and synergizes with sample collector

the doubling thing I imagine is gonna get patched out soon enough too

[winter galleon]

because you get cd of stimpack naturally then stim comes off cd which resets the stimm pack so you drop the pack again

[icy scaffold]

Checked out some YouTubers and you can essentially get an extra crate between stim cooldowns since you’re running max stims.

[mighty belfry]

You can also just take the stimm itself and then put the crate down for the double stack

Or even triple if the timing is there for it.

[icy scaffold]

Yea seems like a fun build ngl

[winter galleon]

triple can be risky depending on specific stats you might end up negatively affecting it

either to do 0 damage or have insane recoil lol

[mighty belfry]

You just have to know when it's a good time to do it.

[winter galleon]

ya its gonna get fixed but they wont be back until what? febuary?

[clear isle]

so if Im understanding it correctly, using a crate even without having cartel special off cooldown still gives you the buff from it?

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

[icy scaffold]

Yea as of this most recent patch

[clear isle]

how tf did they manage to bug that out 😭

[mighty belfry]

You have to move out and in of the radius for it to work though.

[winter galleon]

rushed fix to the anti-synergy from before

before was anti-synergetic so this was their quick fix before vacation without thinking it through

[icy scaffold]

Chem dependency stays winning 💪

Well, it was unlikely to really break anything so it’s more like testing to see if it’s better that way.

[winter galleon]

my guess theyll make it simply refresh buff instead of stacking

still strong but not broken

[zenith pagoda]

Vultures mark is best keystone, dependency is okay but expensive since you need all 3 nodes, adrenaline is pretty mid

[burnt barn]

Best tactical axe setup? Mostly just do light attacks

[bronze glade]

mkv is the light attack spam one

i'd run with 9 stam

adren/rampage

[exotic temple]

It’s 25% more. Especially on chem grenades that can be a lotta kills a game

[bronze glade]

otherwise VII is stronger overall

[limber cradle]

Big fan of brutal headtaker, like everyone else

Unyielding/Cara

Cause god knows it doesn't need help killing anything else

Brutal with the cleave talents and HV murdered a shotgunner patrol in like 2 swings for me before

Was very impressed

[charred bronze]

I run the mk VII like that. I don't bother with cleave talents, bromentum does the job if you focus weakspot hits:

and contrary to most, I find it most effective for me running both Hyper-Critical and Hyper-Violence on Auric. Maybe dropping Hyper-Critical at maelstrom+ is good? I dunno. I usually kill crushers with the needler anyway, and all the man sized elites die faster with both.

Interestingly, when I was experimenting with builds, I accidentally removed Hyper-Violence and had only Hyper-Critical, and didn't notice the loss of Hyper-Violence. Maybe I'm bad, or H-C is that good with this weapon

both are possible

You'll want to use heavies on crushers though. Light spam will kill them but it's slower than I'd like

[loud herald]

so like

am I just dogshit at the game (answer is yes) or is havoc not very fun

I haven't even seen whatever rotten armor is yet but the blight spreads is (so far) the worst affix i've had the displeasure of playing with in this game lol

[pallid quail]

yeaj

[limber cradle]

Havoc is fun depending on modifiers

Blight is distinctly Not Fun

[pallid quail]

all the fun got sucked out of havoc a while ago

still banging my head against the wall tho cus i cant have the shame of not having 40 next to my name for another quarter

[loud herald]

i'ma be honest I don't know if I even care enough to get to 40

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[icy scaffold]

If it’s not fun then it’s not worth it

[loud herald]

pretty much

lol

I wanted to like it

[glacial gyro]

Do hyper violence and hyper critical have any interaction

[icy scaffold]

They can be anti synergistic if you want to min max hyper violence

[glacial gyro]

just trying to build around the tac axe whoch

you want good crits

[icy scaffold]

Oh I have no idea about tac axe. If you’re one shotting the smaller guys anyways then you don’t really need hyper critical though

[glacial gyro]

That stops being true in higher havocs

you want elites dead really fast

[jaunty sail]

I wonder if they will add any new weapons for hive scum

: (
Dual bazooka : )

[winter galleon]

Bolter

[glacial gyro]

also what the hell, shredder autopistol kind of fucks

[winter galleon]

[icy scaffold]

Recon las

I want to try Shredder but the game refuses to give me a good one

[zealous ravine]

im guessing hive scum will take a really long time to get any new weps

maybe wep mks could happen earlier tho

[glacial gyro]

How many have Arb gotten

[jaunty sail]

Thanks for reminding me that arbites still hasn’t gotten cosmetics

[zealous ravine]

oh god that too

[jaunty sail]

I mean more of them

And never will

Somehow feeling that same fate awaits Hiver me thinks

[zealous ravine]

hive scum will almost definitely get new cosmetics

[jaunty sail]

Boy I sure do hope so

I got a raise at work so I can throw money at fat fish now

[zealous ravine]

fatshark has a LOT more freedom with them especially considering they made the gangs themselves

with arbys its a lot harder...

[glacial gyro]

If they do and arb gets none it will be an unpleasant experience for fatshark

[zealous ravine]

i dont think gw even likes old arby cosmetics so those wouldnt happen due to that i think

[zealous ravine]

guh...

[eager reef]

is 400 stamina +3 still fake +3

[zealous ravine]

probably

[bronze glade]

Love how people are just starting to realize

[bronze glade]

Yes

[glacial gyro]

the damage numbers are lies and its so accurate

[eager reef]

man cant have shit around here

i jsut dont like the shredder, similiar issue to the dual uzis, just dont vibe with them,

[glacial gyro]

You can test by taking swift endurance and going into the meat grinder. Take off the curio, see how many swift endurance stacks are at the bottom. Put it on, and count again. If it went up by 3, congrats, its a real +3. If it goes up by 2, well, melk scammed you

[hybrid oyster]

I made a build with the uzis with run + gun and the node that gives less recoil near the top, that shit's lazer accurate and fun as hell lol

[bronze glade]

meat grinder lies about stam

[patent bone]

Ooo do show

[woeful hill]

Careful with testing stuff in the psyc

[charred bronze]

learned this one the hard way

[woeful hill]

Offline testing performs differently then online

[bronze glade]

psych is a lying bitch

[woeful hill]

Offline is true solo and psyc

[narrow dagger]

damn hive scum experience is great

[hybrid oyster]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a09a9e24-90ca-485e-8094-9daab4bcc2c0/zoom-zoom-pew-pew

It's not like good for havoc really, but it sure is fun too zoom around and shoot everything

[patent bone]

Imma use when I get home

[glacial gyro]

yep

[narrow dagger]

even if i get in havoc is unplayable

[glacial gyro]

people die in 30s and 40 and go 'damn must have been incompetent teammates' rather than just understanding that once you pass 30 the game is designed to fuck you, you are meant to lose

[narrow dagger]

just got a twin+ 2 chaos spawns start lol

[patent bone]

Will it work good for stubs too?

[jaunty sail]

I ve seen some scummers use braced auto gun - what’s the deal with that

[patent bone]

Some muckers like rifles

[hybrid oyster]

yea I have the same build with stubs and crowbar

it'll work

[patent bone]

Actual based

[jaunty sail]

Weirdos but i kind of dig that

But bazooka is the best weapon in game

And me trusty boners

[pallid quail]

i ran something very similar in havoc once n was pleasantly surprised by its performance

[patent bone]

I like it. Going full punko mode with a grimdark AK kinda fits HS

[glacial gyro]

Its not good. It has high rate of fire but its low finesse modifiers and low cleave kill it. The brauto is meant to have high stagger and suppression so you can kind of pin enemies down and kill them while they slip and slide and fard and shid but hive scum jsut wants to instantly kill whats in front of it. For the same feel, use the vraks iag

[hybrid oyster]

yea basically if you save a clip for killing elites/specials you'll never have to pick up ammo, it isn't paticularly good for it tho

[jaunty sail]

Real but still looks crazy and makes guardsmen eye twitch

[patent bone]

That's the best part!

[glacial gyro]

the vraks iag actually kills things

[jaunty sail]

Ngl I spend like last 6 months playing only veteran with bolter and zealot with thammer because bonk hahaha funny and hive scum now because bazooka

[hybrid oyster]

I remember seeing mister e having a build for that, I ran out of diamantine to get the right weapons tho lol

[bronze glade]

its good

[bronze glade]

someone hasn't tried agri brauto

[glacial gyro]

mister e doesnt take forge's bellow on rampage so take what he says with a grain of salt

[bronze glade]

mister e, like most DT yters, is a clueless grifter who doesn't know shit about teh game

[glacial gyro]

at that point you should definitely be using the vraks

[bronze glade]

vraks doesn't have 3 cleave

[hybrid oyster]

I don't think most of his builds are meta, but yea forge's bellow is so fucking good

[bronze glade]

in fact, it hardly has any cleave

[glacial gyro]

Wait, for real? Agri brauto has 3 cleave?

OK, fair game

[bronze glade]

yeah

it's vraks/graia brauto that are more in meme territory

agri brauto is actually good

[glacial gyro]

also one look at this from his tac axe vid should tell you all you need to know

never listen to anything he has to say

[hybrid oyster]

I built it and it's fun af, it's not meta but yea I know what you're talking about

it's more for fun than meta imo

[bronze summit]

a very original joke in mod format

[hybrid oyster]

I don't think all his builds are meta-havoc focused

[glacial gyro]

VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE

BUT IN THE END IT HAS TO BE THIS WAAAAAAAAAAAAY

[bronze summit]

yeah im gonna put a mix of MGR songs over the Rampage! ability

originally I had the metal mix of I Really Wanna Stay at Your House, but it seems a bit niche so im changing it

[glacial gyro]

I think if you are looking up builds it should be for one of two reasons. You want to make a meme build that does one very funny thing (eg, oneshot a chaos spawn) or help you reach a new level of gameplay (Aurics, havocs). At damnation and below, you don't have to worry about your build, anything is viable, if you're getting whacked at those difficulties it has more to do with fundamentals. Its not until you get to into really high level play you need to worry about squeezing value out of your talent tree, or if you want to exploit interactions to do something ridiculous.

[hybrid oyster]

I

've only done like havoc 30, I play games to relax and have fun, I don't need to grind to havoc 40 every week. So I'm more casual, and I find his builds fun, but yea I just like to enjoy the game

• if I need to do well in havoc I just use the flame + bubble psyker meta builds lol

[woeful hill]

End of the day, its a video game. Play for fun, but when people use opinions/facts gained from others and use them like gospel. Then it gets weird, often a case with Darktide youtubers and their fans

[hybrid oyster]

yea I watch like maybe 4 or 5 youtubers and if I see a build I like I'll try it out

and it's all just to see if I can get more fun out of the game

[glacial gyro]

There are only a handful I'd take seriously, and one of them is Reginald

Regi knows his shit

[hybrid oyster]

yea I just saw his crowbar video yesterday and I agree with a lot of things he says, but I think he's also more meta, and min-maxing focused person

[eager reef]

speaking of fun i saw ryken math out a haymaker/hypercritical build and it's actually really fun

[hybrid oyster]

oh yea I saw it, I was gonna try and build it but also ran out of diamantine lol

[eager reef]

esp once you get the hang of hitting two elites at once

[eager reef]

been on it the last few days and it's super funny

[hybrid oyster]

nice, good to hear, I'll save up more diamantine and build it when I can and give it a whirl

[glacial gyro]

Well, I've said my opinion that this is what I believe advice is for- Telling yout hings you don't know. Not to put too fine a point on it but I don't need instructions on how to fuck around.

[bronze glade]

i love ryken's deep dive vids

few YTers actually do research

[eager reef]

though i traded pickpocket for coated weaponry

[bronze glade]

they just repeat ~~vibes~

[eager reef]

pickpocket is all well and good, but i stab so much

[hybrid oyster]

don't need pick pocket if you're just stabbing

:3

[eager reef]

and the tox damage helps reach instagib breakpoints faster

and also double dips on sample collector

[bronze summit]

gun-only Ganger is just so damn fun tho

its like pre-nerf Scavenger vet

[eager reef]

my problem with scum is, everything is fun

[glacial gyro]

Enjoy it while it lasts, there is no way pickpocket survives

[eager reef]

hell i even like playing with the medkit

[hybrid oyster]

lol yea it's a very fun class

[bronze summit]

If I had to bet they'll just reduce the threshold to 10%, or have it so each Elite/Special kill restores 1-2% ammo while under 20%

[glacial gyro]

on the tac axe, a fully charged heavy crit to the head will leave a scab rager with a sliver of health, and it will die to the damage tick. Usually.

[hybrid oyster]

btw, what difficulity is the best for farming diamantine?

[glacial gyro]

Damnation

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-poison-toxic-alcohol-mixed-drink-gif-1422713399148574700

[bronze summit]

Damnation iirc

[hybrid oyster]

ah okay I'll be doing that

[bronze summit]

unless they made Auric actually increase drops?

[bronze glade]

havoc 40

[hybrid oyster]

thanks

[tight musk]

I don't understand arbites who use mace and shield and never use the special.

"Oh, I have a big area stun that suppresses gunners and can stop a crusher mid overhead, let me just never use it."

[bronze glade]

one win and you'll be set for months

[glacial gyro]

Aurics technically have more in the level but you're always so pressed to keep moving you don;'t have time to explore for it

[bronze summit]

TECHNICALLY you're getting better and faster teammates in Auric unless you're unlucky

Damnation if you wanna solo carry though

[hybrid oyster]

yea I only play aurics on the weekends, they do usually have better teammates

[glacial gyro]

Its an extra button besides 'attack'. Thats literally it. Also, there are more than a few who don't know it has that and don't investigate.

[hybrid oyster]

damnation is a fickle beast somtimes, but I can solo carry damnation with no issues

[eager reef]

sometimes the game jsut fucks you

[glacial gyro]

I find the opposite, people who play on the weekend are fucking troglodytes

[icy scaffold]

I doubt they get rid of pickpocket. Infinite ammo is already a thing. If they wanted to nerf anything it’d probably be the dodges.

Vulture’s dodge and ranged dodges

[past trench]

I freakin' love Hive scum. Akimbo guns is so Selene from Underworld or Alice from Resident Evil or whoever wielded akimbo guns and be iconic with it

[hybrid oyster]

I've just been relaxing and catching up on Stranger Things while I play so I've just been farming Heresy but it's kind of slow

[glacial gyro]

So what do we think, adrenaline or chemdep for the taxe? I'm trying both here and chemdep obviously crits more, but I think adrenaline wins out in raw damage if we are ignoreing hyper critical which procs more with chemdep.

[pallid quail]

cj from san andreas

[past trench]

Our buddy here we go again too

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-devil-may-cry-dmc3spinning-gif-25858416

[past trench]

The fact other players can watch me with that pose

Bliss.

[pallid quail]

load into rolling steel
AIGHT IM ON THE TRAIN NOW WHAT BIG SMOKE

[past trench]

By Sparda's crusty balls how could I forget the wacky woohoo pizza boi

[past trench]

I swear, I want Hice Scum to have more long coats cosmetics

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-devil-may-cry-gif-4851149653862696504

[past trench]

Akimbo gun + long coat is supreme

[hybrid oyster]

pew pew pew

[past trench]

What a killer

[tight musk]

Real gamer posture.

[glacial gyro]

I do know one thing, melk better cough up a second 3 stam curio stat

[past trench]

The head leaning on, a mix of desinvolture and threat

[bronze summit]

I just love playing as a discount Jimmy while having Payday music on my ability

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079236027690012773/1446248734055993455/payday_gaming.mp4?ex=694a5dd8&is=69490c58&hm=b132dd174fda40be2fd453ae3868f7881739ff9482cf5d7e8e6547a908335d7a&

[past trench]

Epic experience

[pallid quail]

i imagine the posture is hangover related

[glacial gyro]

"ugh I cant believe I have to come in to work today"

[bronze summit]

what wearing a 2kg slab of metal on your face does to your neck

[past trench]

Utterly relatable

[cedar cairn]

so are +3 stamina curios real

[bronze summit]

yes, go gamble at Melk

[tight musk]

Just remembered the deluxe scum has unique hair.

I...don't think I'm gonna use that, it don't look very good.

[cedar cairn]

wait which one is the unique one

[bronze summit]

if you go to the barber you'll see it on top of the list

they arent that special

[past trench]

It is, special.

Hive Scum is the level of customisation of the head that I wished we could have for the other classes

[vapid rivet]

but u look so pretty withh it

[past trench]

I swear

[vapid rivet]

i need a teal mohawk on vet

[past trench]

Its as if vet, zealot, psyker and ogryn are too vanilla

[bronze summit]

Mohawk comes standard at least

its not huge though

[main wagon]

Legendary choice of references

Holy moly

[vapid rivet]

i cant rp correctly unless all my characters hair is teal like mine irl

[pallid quail]

i cant rp anyone except sigvald the magnificent

[past trench]

I wish Sarah Connor did some akimbos but nah. More references below mine though

[past trench]

Insert gif looking thyself in thine mirror

[charred bronze]

Question about the following penance. Does dropping a box with toughness regeneration that applies to squad mates progress it?

[past trench]

Shield mirror

[vapid rivet]

ye

[charred bronze]

cool, I'll probably power through that bullshit in mortis trials

[vapid rivet]

run a build with only one node in stimm lab

gotta have dependancy on tho

just spam ur med crate every 25 sec

[main wagon]

I ran it with the full toughness stimm + the crate node for additional 50%

Same thing went into Mortis and just babysat people

Stim comes back before crate and actually takes crate off CD with one node

It was noice

[charred bronze]

I just finished getting all of scum's weapon masteries to 20. I need something to occupy me

[main wagon]

I still gotta just mass buy saws

[tight musk]

I went all in on the toughness branch with stimm supply and it didn't take long to get the penance.

[main wagon]

I do not like the saw :(((

[tight musk]

I like the saw.

[vapid rivet]

its also super funny to use the exploding medcrate and just drop it off rip on anything breathing

[charred bronze]

appreciate the advice all

[main wagon]

[vapid rivet]

i hope u get the penance done fast!

o7

[charred bronze]

I haven't seen any chatter about anti-corruption

[icy scaffold]

I assume ranged stim crate with the talent to remove corruption while stimmed.

Who knows how good that actually is tho

[vapid rivet]

i kno the pack does it rlly well but id love to know if melee or ranged is better

i norm run melee but i kinda suck

[charred bronze]

blessed stimms and stimm supply seems like it would do a lot. Desperado murders everything and with vulture's mark, also provides toughness to your team though. Might be more effective to do vulturado with a cooldown stimm at 50% viscosity and just run that build otherwise?

[past trench]

I just ran into a heresy simple mission to farm my hive scum. Suddenly, three crushers, a spawn of chaos, and soon after a beast of nurgle

It's not even a fucking Maelstrom

RNG sometimes..

[charred bronze]

probably a little slower, but you'll kill more effectively in all likelihood

[icy scaffold]

If running stim supply then you want chem dependency and maxed out stims

Extra crates go brrrrt

[charred bronze]

yeah, I'm guessing about what'll work tbh. Never was a priority for me

[icy scaffold]

Might try it out with needle pistol ngl

[glacial gyro]

Just to note, cdr does not apply to your cartel stim

the box comes back more, but your stim does not

[fallen void]

this counts for melee right

[icy scaffold]

Yea, box applies stim even if it’s on cooldown atm

[glacial gyro]

Does it?

[icy scaffold]

Unless I’m misunderstanding things

You can double stack the stim with stim supply

You just have to leave the radius and reenter

[glacial gyro]

No. The box consumes your stimm.

If your stimm is ready and you drop the box, it puts the stim in the box.

If it is not ready for whatever reason, including you just used it, you drop the base box, which just eases a little corruption

[bronze summit]

counts for literally EVERYTHING including DoTs, +15% for anything within 12.5m, falls off linearly to 0% at 30m

[icy scaffold]

You use your stimm before dropping the box

[vast yoke]

it's more like a hybrid but it works fine on db + tax build which is one of my favs

[glacial gyro]

which causes your stimm to go on cooldown, and then the box is just the base form

[mighty belfry]

It's bugged.

Been since the last hot fix.

[glacial gyro]

OK, I can't account for fatshark fucking up their own game

that's how its supposed to work

[radiant swift]

[mighty belfry]

You can move out and in the radius to gain the buff if the stimm is on cooldown.

Personally.

I think it should just give the buff but not be able to be stacked.

🤷‍♀️

I hate auto correct.

[vast yoke]

it's so funny that you can technically run stim crate without the 15s talent

[glacial gyro]

hmmmmm what if we got 4 hive scums together with max attack speed and power stimms and all four dropped the box in the same place and just bodied the karnak twins

[icy scaffold]

Yea, so you run chem dependency to get an extra crate in between every stim cooldown

More crates, more drugs, more funny shenanigans

[mighty belfry]

Or you can be spicy and do a hybrid stimm with damage, speed and CDR

[vast yoke]

it works and its honestly quite good. weirdly on havoc with corruption modifiers we ran that as a meme a couple times and it was very easy

[mighty belfry]

I will die on this hill

[icy scaffold]

Yea, as long as the stim is maxed

[mighty belfry]

Having a hive scum with stimm supply is more valuable than having golden toughness in corruption heavy modifiers

[vast yoke]

that's unfortunate

[vast yoke]

absolutely

[glacial gyro]

The power of friendship (And these drugs we found)

[vast yoke]

like without a doubt it is a huge boon

[icy scaffold]

Plus you don’t really need desperado at high difficulties since you’re drowning in specialists/elites anyways

[mighty belfry]

Especially if the scum knows what they're doing and they're maxxing out sample collector's efficiency?

[woeful hill]

"Increases any damage by 15% against enemies within a 12.5m radius for 3s"

[vast yoke]

people forget scum is an infinite ammo DOT stacker with the best blitz in the game

they bring a lot to the table

[icy scaffold]

Yea

[eager reef]

i too love rocket launcher

[woeful hill]

scum pancake

[vast yoke]

honestly on havoc i prefer it

[eager reef]

"see that over there? i dont want to"

[bronze summit]

I wish the rocket headshots did more damage to monstros

10k body, 11k weakspot

[vast yoke]

using it on monsters is a waste

[mighty belfry]

it's all about armor hordes

[bronze summit]

yeah thats why I want it to be NOT shit vs monstros

[dim moth]

so it can be just as much of a waste into them as now, but like more damage

[glacial gyro]

I've been coming around to it. For a long time I was the patron saint of blackouts because of how versatile they are as a get out of jail free card but bulwark walls are jsut the bane of my existence and boom bringer effectively solves them

[dim moth]

it's better that it's bad into monstrosities

[bronze summit]

deleteing 3-5 crushers is pretty neato too

[dim moth]

so that dumbasses don't hog grenades just to waste them

[vast yoke]

It'd still be a monster. I literally find fighting a single chaos spawn less stressful than 2 Crushers with 2 Maulers living inside their hitbox

[mighty belfry]

you think that's going to stop them?

do you know what game you're playing?

[eager reef]

since i QP endlessly having the option to remove a wall of crap is handy

[bronze summit]

single boss that isnt BoN be so chill

[glacial gyro]

the secret best use case is actually removing bulwark walls

[bronze summit]

especially as Ogryn

I love bitch-slapping a deamonhost into oblivion

[vast yoke]

all 3 blitz are great. poop nade is a bit overtuned but that's not news

[mighty belfry]

also, it's debatable between boom or chem nades even though i like blackouts the best

chem nades can just completely lock down a chokepoint and especially in havoc, there's a ton of value there

[vast yoke]

if i don't desperately need insta stagger and my build eats armor i run chem nades, that's my process of elimination

[icy scaffold]

Don’t chem nades eat armor too

[glacial gyro]

ehhh I find that the thing chem nades are best at removing, poxwalker hordes, are actually a vital food source for a lot of builds, while the things you really want gone, like crushers or maulers or ragers, just kind of walk through it fine

[dim moth]

yeah but the thing with the insta stagger is that you never know when you will desperately need insta stagger

and not having it when you need it usually means you just die

[mighty belfry]

they do but it won't instantly kill things like bulwarks or crushers

but they will be very weak

[vast yoke]

it's like 3 stacks of tox so more like nibbles armor on havoc

but it's still decent

[mighty belfry]

sample collector builds love chem nades

[glacial gyro]

Dont chem kills not count for sample collector or did they fix that

[mighty belfry]

they count

and they count more than without chem

[glacial gyro]

well yeah obviously, they do 2% instead of 1

[mighty belfry]

a horde running into a chem nade can pretty much instantly replenish your stimm