hivescum-class

[low harbor]

yea tooltip is wrong

[supple torrent]

Man imagine if the tooltip is right. But the devs put the wrong modifier

[last marsh]

how important is maxed out chems for chem builds

[low harbor]

almost irrelevant

just get the crit chance bonus

[last marsh]

nice nice

[flat mist]

Not important

[last marsh]

how do yall feel about long lasting?

[low harbor]

it'd be good if it worked on stim crate's effect for yourself

[supple torrent]

They need to make stimm cooldown start when you use the stimm

[flat mist]

You can see here that the fourth stack of chem dep isn't doing much the more you stack cdr

[supple torrent]

I can understand them cooldown pausing with rampage and desperado but it makes 0 sense on Stimm

[rare stirrup]

Ability cooldowns doesn't start when you use an ability

[last marsh]

ya. im using it on my rampage build

[rare stirrup]

Any ability

[last marsh]

but i dont like not having jittery

[fickle spruce]

10% more CD reduction (which equals a whole 2 seconds difference)
5% more Crit Chance
5% more Damage Reduction.

Marginal buffs.

[supple torrent]

Depends on the ability.

[low harbor]

not always the case, this is specific to each ability

[supple torrent]

And there is 0 rhyme or reason for it. Looking at you veteran's looping exec stance

[last marsh]

chem fortified bad? it seems okay but i think the biggest defense to scum is just ... not getting hit i guess lol

[low harbor]

it's ok

[supple torrent]

15% TDR for free is decent

[fickle spruce]

Depends on what your alternatives are

[flat mist]

The instant toughness can save you in a pinch if you're in danger of getting shot at low toughness and burst and despo/rampage are on cd

[vagrant blaze]

are links allowed here?

[lavish parrot]

Did they fix the box giving dependancy stacks yet or no?

[vagrant blaze]

btw this is always worth the point if ur playing the keystone already, it stacks well with everything

[vagrant blaze]

it gives stacks

[lavish parrot]

Perfect

[last marsh]

just unsure what to drop for it in my build

[supple torrent]

doesnt box giving stacks even if you aren't using stimm now

[vagrant blaze]

what r ya runnin?

shivs?

[last marsh]

combat knife

[vagrant blaze]

oh u have hypercritical and hyperviolence

considering its not shivs probably drop hyperviolence

[last marsh]

okie dokie

[vagrant blaze]

combat knife based

[last marsh]

why drop violence?

is it because combat knife mostly heavy attacks?

[vagrant blaze]

hypercrit and vio kinda cancel each other out

[last marsh]

oh

🤔

yeah i suppose youre right

[vagrant blaze]

and violence is really only worth the point on shivs i always feel like

bcs of their double hit dual wield shenanigans

[flat mist]

Yes

[last marsh]

ill try this out and see if i notice the difference! thanks skinwalking

[supple torrent]

ah well they can fix it next year

[vagrant blaze]

no worries, which mark of knife are ya on btw?

[last marsh]

mk6 because i like the cleave heavy

[vagrant blaze]

yee i gotcha

[last marsh]

with uncanny and riposite, carapace + flak

[vagrant blaze]

go precog instead of riposte, trusttt

[vagrant blaze]

btw youre on what diff? i played my shiv build just swapped out for combat knife and it felt so bad but i used to love it, maybe skill issue

[last marsh]

auric. sometimes auric maelstorm.

i dont play havoc.

[vagrant blaze]

yeah i felt so weak on auric, respect

[ancient basin]

HV works on anything, but works better on things with big hits. You hit a plateau where you are maintaining a certain amount of HV just above the 1 shot mark of most trash usually, but if its a hyper dense mixed horde it really shines as that damage racks up quick and lets you light spam into ragers and maulers for decent returns.

great on devils claw swords on horde clear

[lapis raft]

hv doesnt rly stack that hard btw

as it do not stacks from itself

but yea its not gonna feel great with knife for sure

[vagrant blaze]

honestly @last marsh should try hypervio and crit on his setup to see what feels better, i honestly dont know bcs violence felt really bad on any melee other than shivs

could be shivs being op

[ancient basin]

Shivs work with both HC and HV, they are strong for sure. Violence puts in more light spam work with tac axe, combat axe, and devil claw from what I played, with shivs getting a more gradual damage ramp up time comparatively. What I mean is, shivs take a bit longer to hit the 1 shot break point on trash compared to the other 3 I listed.

[vagrant blaze]

you dont mean both at once right?

and our experiences seem to differ i find the shivs being able to drop the first heavy on two chaff heads and spam lights with that big dmg snowball it just oneshots everything it touches right away

[exotic temple]

It’s fine, I know a few people who prefer it over vm. I think dmg is comparable but you get more uptime on desperado with dependency

[ancient basin]

one or the other, not both at once

[supple torrent]

HC meesses with HV stacking but HV technically feeds HC

[vagrant blaze]

tf i cant react here

[vagrant blaze]

technically 😭

shi mby i need some roles to react mb ive been lurkin for a while

[ancient basin]

if you use both you hit that plateau much faster, but cant go over it because of the anti synergy

[exotic temple]

That’s a weird build passing on 20 crit and 20 tdr is a play. You don’t always have to take prepared deployment so cdr can have an effect since you can double dip in stim and crate until they fix it

[vagrant blaze]

fix it? is the double stim effect u can get on that build not intended?

[exotic temple]

I think It’s a bug since you have to leave the circle and reenter

[vagrant blaze]

oh this, i misunderstood

[near vapor]

also blind nade regen procs

[vagrant blaze]

thought we wont be able to stack two or three stims on ourselves w the box

[exotic temple]

Yeah I don’t think that’s intended it’s kinds like fs Christmas present for stim crate enjoyers

[lapis raft]

well the crate description says it should work like that all the time :d

[vagrant blaze]

if thats unintended ill be soooo sad wtff

builds are so fkin cool when u can build around a massive amount of X stat xd

[lapis raft]

i hope they keep it and fix the bug where you have to walk out to atually get the buff in first place

[vagrant blaze]

and the bug where u throw crate but you dont and its stuck in your hand

sticky crate bug...

[exotic temple]

2 patches they said they fixed that

[vagrant blaze]

ive died more to that today than to anything the actual game threw at me...

startring to develop muscle memory to animation cancel it this is fkd

[exotic temple]

It’s not a tide game if you don’t have to cope with some jank

[vagrant blaze]

aint that the truth...

[lapis raft]

well they certainly tried at least xd

but yea still annoying as before, a bit less so maybe but def not fully fixed

[main trellis]

Never heard of that

[exotic temple]

Oh I’m sure I just don’t understand enough about coding to wrap my head around there being 3 potential causes of one bug.

[vagrant blaze]

was a joke name because the crate sticks to your hands..

whole squad gigglin bru

[exotic temple]

Maybe your character is just fiending and doesn’t want to share

[supple torrent]

I just saw a martyrdom zealot take a medicae at no corruption. And then immediately run into fire. To go back to 1 wound

[broken moss]

he was flexin

[radiant swift]

jerb

[zealous ravine]

gerbil posting hours

[woeful hill]

jerboa

[lost lantern]

Is 150% cleave worth it? Is there a hard limit on how many enemies you can cleave through?

[mighty belfry]

needle pistol is absolutely stupid in rotten armor

good lord

[woeful hill]

yes

[flat mist]

This build was from before chem dep was fixed with supply

[plucky nymph]

lol rotten so ez with needle gun

[mighty belfry]

it's just so reliable

[plucky nymph]

1 attempt on vigil with rot dh h40

with a havoc rank 1 new ogryn, and a silly crowbar scum and silly needle pistol scum and silly inferno and us 3 had like same output xD

[tight rock]

I recently started using hyper-critical with shivs. I never knew it was so good.

[haughty slate]

"shredder autopistol is r slur" - Tanner the other day

mhmm

[bronze glade]

meanwhile my very first SAP game

as gunker 2.0

[ancient basin]

hyper critical lets you shred trash for a single point investment with a fast attacking weapon

[bronze glade]

lets you shred elites too

like maulers

[charred bronze]

the darktide youtubers seem uniquely stupid

[tropic crag]

its good value on ranged builds because you don't have to take anything else to make it so your melee can shred, i think hv is better when you have a bunch of other melee nodes tho

its not bad on melee builds tho

[ancient basin]

a decent pick when you are going for pick pocket

[tropic crag]

yeah it fits into alot, i could also see it being better for stim box builds if they take certain paths tbh

[lapis raft]

i would consider grabbing it on my crate build if it did not actively screwed me over

with on kill effects xd

[tropic crag]

yeah it tends to devalue some nodes because of that

which is why i think its so good on ranged but loses its value in melee builds

but honestly... its still good enough so like... if people like taking it on melee builds they can

[exotic temple]

My desperado build just is left side of the tree, +1 nade and sample collector.

Hc sweet spot and swift endurance does everything I need in melee

[haughty slate]

I also said that I didn't think Scum needed to take the ammo regen aura, got called a moron by all of his fanboys, he says it's objectively the best aura, and then he comes out with two "meta" hive scum builds that don't use it

buffoonery

people just love being contrarian

turns out with 1 of your ranged characters having infinite ammo, there's already a TON of ammo for everyone else

just like I said

[fast surge]

This was known before

[exotic temple]

I can see use cases like a ogrynheimer build

[fast surge]

Psyker exists you know

[haughty slate]

Yeah I thought it would be pretty obvious

but apparently "other classes can never have enough ammo"

so by taking other auras I was being a bad selfish player

[bronze glade]

ogrynheimer ogryns deserve to be barreled anyway

[charred bronze]

by never needing to take ammo you're leaving plenty of ammo for the rest of the squad. It's so unnecessary

obv

someone said it was useful on havoc though

which I can't speak to

[mighty belfry]

honestly

i don't feel it

[haughty slate]

"NOPE! You're wrong! Bad player. BRUH." - All of Tanner's fanboys

[mighty belfry]

Because in havoc, in most comps, there tends to be a psyker and that means that's two people that don't need ammo

[exotic temple]

Most classes would rather have the 5% Crit than 10% ammo pick up

[limber cradle]

I find it gravitate to crit chance, sometimes melee damage.

[deep wyvern]

The most important rule for scum is to look cool while fighting

[mighty belfry]

5% crit or 10% melee damage jsut ends up giving more value because pickpocket exists.

[lavish parrot]

So true

[deep wyvern]

[bronze glade]

i always take crit chance

because i'm an Anarchist

🙂‍↕️

[exotic temple]

The only saving grace is that gunslinger works with ammo crates

[charred bronze]

I just sit on crit because it's universally helpful

[mighty belfry]

well, pickpocket's most likely catching a nerf so I'm sure gunslinger will see some use real soon.

[charred bronze]

maybe if I was in an organized group with another hivescum, I'd swap to melee damage so there's no duplication

[glacial gyro]

Dumb question, does Quick and Deadly affect melee damage? As in, is it close range damage, or ranged damae that is close

[charred bronze]

yeah, it's a little sad. That ain't happening to january at the earliest, so happy holidays to all the little desperados out there

[charred bronze]

according to Kuli's doc on steam, it affects literally everything

zook rockets included

[mighty belfry]

and DoTs

[glacial gyro]

uh, well, sounds autopick

[bronze glade]

yeah it's everything

[bronze glade]

well the uptime is...

idk

[charred bronze]

^

[glacial gyro]

you should be dodging literally all the time

[bronze glade]

yes

but it's only 3s

and dodge procs often don't work as you think they would

[mighty belfry]

only 3s and it has to be a successful dodge

[bronze glade]

if it was 6s it would be really good

[lapis raft]

idk why some ppl shit on the crit auras they are so good? like even other classes have a lot of conditonal crit stuff

[charred bronze]

like, 'woosh sound', then dodge, then get buff. No woosh, no dodge of that woosh, no buff, right?

[mighty belfry]

tbh it's really good even with that in mind

[lapis raft]

i was always happy even before scum when someone had crit aura and i was playing zealot for example

so good

[bronze glade]

prob cuz boring, and psyker already got crit aura

i think people wanted something more unique

[fast gust]

Woosh is only for attacks from behind

[lapis raft]

i mean all the auras are pretty boring on all classes

so why would ppl expect somethign unique

[bronze glade]

vet gets close and kill

[lapis raft]

just nice bonus stats

[bronze glade]

but true

[charred bronze]

I think it's better than people give it credit for. My struggle is finding a point for it

[exotic temple]

The other fun thing is that all the immune effects count as dodges. So as long as you are in desperado or vd it should be free dmg

[bronze glade]

lol i tried it with desperado

and my uptime with it barely changed

idk, it's weird

dodge proc talents are ugh

[charred bronze]

yeah, I think it's a no brainer in desperado

[lapis raft]

the procs from the immune stuff is so inconsistent somehow

[charred bronze]

oh really?

interesting

[exotic temple]

I think there is a range on it I notice it more when I’m closer but idk

[lapis raft]

like i aws testing the stam restore talent

[bronze glade]

yeah but you should test it yourself

cuz i only played like one or two matches with it

[charred bronze]

got it

[bronze glade]

not a great sample size lol

[charred bronze]

it's baked into my current vulturado build, I'll grab the uptime tracking mod at some point and check it out

[bronze glade]

i think combat stats also tracks uptime

[charred bronze]

ooooh it does

I have saved history off so I'll have to see what it does in the next few matches I play

[bronze glade]

yeah i'd like to try it with combat stats and uptime

and see how they differ

because my uptime stats were like 20-35% for butterfly lol

so a second opinion might be helpful

[lapis raft]

the history saving has basically no overhead btw so enabling it is mostly fine

[bronze glade]

noice

[charred bronze]

okay cool, I'll enable it then

[ancient basin]

butterfly at range is probably a much lower up time

less attacks inbound when there are not shooters

high kills, range, and suppression

[glacial gyro]

alright which taxe is the good one

[tropic crag]

every time i pick one they both just kind of work, but i only play taxe like once a year

[glacial gyro]

theres 3

[tropic crag]

that shows how little i play them

[pallid quail]

tac axe based

[lapis raft]

i think 7? thats what most ppl use looks like

[glacial gyro]

the 7 has weird attacks

[pallid quail]

i lvld scum with it maxed out ofc

7 based cus it looks coolest

[rose flax]

Today I learned dodge counts are not whole number only, and also can round up to another dodge, even if ui says otherwise

[glacial gyro]

What do we think of haymaker on shivs

[bronze glade]

meme

maybe slightly less of a meme in havoc

[glad latch]

Is actually quite good, especially when stacked with hyper crit which functions somewhat similar. Demolishes hordes of human elites no problem.

[bronze glade]

you can feel it when it works

and when it doesn't work...

you can def feel it too

[woeful hill]

gamble harder

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gambling-gambler-gif-572068894331490223

[glad latch]

Yeah, RNG gonna RNG, but hivescum seems somewhat built around that.

[woeful hill]

how so?>

[glad latch]

well almost every hivescum build has crits focused for example.

There's also RNG in some of ze bugs, like if vultures dodge actually decides to work properly lol

[woeful hill]

I see

fair point

[astral sundial]

Morning fellow scummies!

I must say I feel MUCH more comfortable with the uzis over both the brauto and the IAG

They just feel like the perfect mix of sustained damage and agility.

[abstract lichen]

Shredder auto pistol

[mighty belfry]

tbf you can also make it that getting crits is straight up no longer gambling

isn't always gonna have the best uptime but it's possible lol

[grave venture]

How does one perform half a dodge

[glacial gyro]

with half an A press

[grave venture]

You need a hall effect controller for this move

[tropic crag]

i can't decide, for auric builds, if i prefer no cleave nodes with the bonesaw just so i can use the nodes elsewhere... or the cleave nodes and lose some other nodes

like i keep running different setup and can't decide... for aurics at least, havoc i think cleave is alot more important

[lapis raft]

dont think you rly need both cleave nodes right

i was just running battering strikes with it

if you run rampage and you have cleave blessing then you probs dont even need battering either i think

[tropic crag]

yeah only one tbh

[silent spindle]

can hive scum use the mk12 chain axe or is it mk4 only?

[bronze glade]

if a class gets a weapon, they can use any marks

you just gotta unlock through mastery

so hiv gets both mk4 and 12

[plucky nymph]

The dodge 3s talents r giga overrated imo, ill have 10 h40 games with like 20% uptime on those talents and ill take zero dmg in close quarters

Obviously dodging but not “dodging” moreso “moving out the way”

[bronze glade]

the uptime has not been great in my experience either

[lapis raft]

yea 3s is very short time, before the dodge "buffs" i had like 30%-ish uptime on float like a butterfly most of the time in combat

after the "buffs" its a lot better but yea

and precognition is even worse idk why ppl like that blessing even, sure its a lot of damage but actually having it up meaningful amount of time sounds nuts

which is obviously done for balancing reasons i assume but ppl tend to ignore that part completely i think :d

[mighty belfry]

am

[woeful hill]

The enemies that you need that damage for (maulers crushers bosses)

Have large easy to dodge attacks (overheads)

[mighty belfry]

Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking

Mutants too

[woeful hill]

Really simple as that

Mutant grabs don't count as attacks you can proc dodge stuff

[mighty belfry]

hold on, really?

[woeful hill]

I was doing some reading in Kuli guide

[mighty belfry]

i genuinely did not know that

[woeful hill]

And most on dodge talents and blessings won't be triggered by it

Same as sniper/trapper/mutant

Maybe it varies per talent and blessing.

But most won't be triggered by mutants

[lapis raft]

yea but like am i gonna stand there and wait for overhead to get my damage, most of the time this is not the case from my experience and so the very short talents end up having pretty mid uptime

[woeful hill]

Then you don't utilize it, all good. Doesn't give it less value as a blessing though

[glacial gyro]

OUT OF MEMORY AS I AM 30 FEET FROM THE VALKYRIE

[woeful hill]

F

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-loud-scream-girl-kid-hispanic-girl-gif-3761151244536557927

[woeful hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1452542657485213696/11B0D21.MP4?ex=694a3144&is=6948dfc4&hm=73bf19bf06f3d5832282e2d5529912e8fb1d2c087e7d66c9a9ae003aec2df422&

[glacial gyro]

This is UN FUCKING ACCEPTABLE

HAHA YEP MISSION OVER

NO OPPORTUNITY TO RECONNECT

HAHAHA

[lapis raft]

lmao had somethign similar happen to me yesterday almost f4d the game xd

[glacial gyro]

OUt of memory is a hard ctd

I dont have to alt f4

the game did it for me

[young herald]

on-dodge effects have surprisingly high uptime, tbh. Pair that with the way they're pretty much always up when you actually need them to be up, and the short duration doesn't really matter.

Like, what's the last time you were actively engaged in a melee fight against a bunch of dudes and maybe with some ranged enemies scattered around and you went a whole 3 seconds without dodging?

[lapis raft]

not that but mutant throwing me at burster

[lapis raft]

plenty of times because there are 3 other people with me in a team, like i said i had 30%-ish uptime on float like butterfly when i was tracking purely me doing damage as combat time by accident

[dim moth]

uh when I was dead because I failed to dodge something?

obviously?

[astral sundial]

Do you reckon we'll EVER get any new cosmetics for the DLC classes btw?

Like, its been MONTHS since the Arbites and nothing, lol

[lapis raft]

isnt the problem with arbites them not having much freedom with mtx for it? at least thats what i've seen ppl say, i assume its a bit less of a problem with scum hopefully

[young herald]

yes, it's been explicitly said there's cosmetics for scum coming

[pine steppe]

I’m looking for an amazing dual stub pistol build for hive scum. Anyone have anything op?

[young herald]

arbites doesn't get any cuz GW said "fuck you, that ain't happening"

[dreamy portal]

still think very least they could add a helmet with a rebreather.

[lapis raft]

i rly like the coat tho so im good with what we have for scum :d

[dreamy portal]

coat and mask that comes with it do look pretty good.

love the death's head rebreather.

sweat and simple, and i also kinda feel i look loosely like a krieg scum

[young herald]

i just rock this for the borderlands cosplay

[dreamy portal]

tread lightlies ey? not iron riders so you could try and make him look like the flaming psycho?

i know you can make an ogryn look like a basic psycho.

[young herald]

nothing beats the hazard stripes

though LORD MAGLEVIATHAN is certainly a good argument in favor of the iron riders

[dreamy portal]

eh, hazard stripes do look great.

[lapis raft]

hazard stripes are very cool indeed

[astral sundial]

[glacial gyro]

We posting drip?

[lapis raft]

one thing i found super lacking tho is the choices for backpacks in general, surely thats something that should be very ez to expand

[astral sundial]

Just gotta make sure to keep it gang specific.

Nothin weirder than seein a mucka running around in gear from different gangs.

[glacial gyro]

Oh I wouldnt worry about that

[supple torrent]

Naah I wear a different colour for every hive ganger i kill with a barrel

[astral sundial]

Kind greetings from the Show ya muckers!

[lapis raft]

i dont need barrel to jump off from a ledge i have nimble already thank you very much

[grand jewel]

I really hope we get full armoured chest with that type of armour they have on the arms

take my aquilas

[dreamy portal]

will say, iron riders is the gang i chose from the start with my scum. thinkin' i might start wearin' some iron riders' pants with the thief's harness, and death's head at some point again just for laughs, and if not, blades man's garb.

[supple torrent]

I chose water cartel cus selling water sounded cool. But Im a sucker for yellow and black.

[dreamy portal]

be nice if they added a version of those special armor pieces you can get from hestia for finishing enough penances.

[astral sundial]

I joined the show, cause everyone needs a little entertainment, right ?

We'll take back the Carnival eventually and then get ABSOLUTELY SHITFACED

[dreamy portal]

i chose iron riders cause red's my favorite color, plus they're near the trains

[supple torrent]

Last words of ganger before injecting nurgle pox straight into their arm

[lapis raft]

i went water carterl as it reminded me of expanse

[dreamy portal]

will say though, would be nice if you could possibly change the color of certain items, like the bounty hunter's jacket.

[glacial gyro]

LORD MAGLEVIATHAN APPROVES

[dreamy portal]

By the way, something i've kinda been thinkin' about.

You reckon hive scum are sorta like 40k norscans?

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/mechanicus-adeptus-mechanicus-tech-priest-tech-priest-techpriest-gif-1974368433068357261

[glacial gyro]

not at all

[dreamy portal]

Well, i was kinda thinkin' cause don't some hive gangs have their own gods that sound dangerously similar to the big 4 like the god of skin and sinew?

[astral sundial]

Look who I found

KEKW

[glacial gyro]

that would be about the only similarity, though even hive gangs still worship the god emperor above all. Its kind of a prerequisite to staying alive in the Imperium.

[near vapor]

just finished act 1

|| I GOT SO ATTACHED TO GUSTAVE TOO BRO ||

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-man-wwe-gif-2036190029581036256

[dreamy portal]

here's my scum by the way in iron riders studded combat trews, and the thief's harness, by the way.

[near vapor]

shes so pretty

[dreamy portal]

also i kinda just mean though like Norsca's not entirely a buncha' chaos worshippers arn't they? or if they do worship chaos most of 'em don't know they do?

[lapis raft]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-omg-so-hot-gif-19803505

[patent bone]

Hey Hey people

Under under hiver here

[dreamy portal]

What's up my hiva?

[last axle]

hmmm if im running max crit chance on shivs with flesh tearer as a baseline, do you think i get more value from uncanny or mercy killer as the second blessing

[dreamy portal]

Apparently i've made the iron riders proud as i now have their cartel proud chest piece.

[zenith fern]

Playing arbites again first time in months and dude I legit forgot how you require no brain to play as him

In contrast to scum

[dreamy portal]

You require thought to play scum? I just dart around like a looney and chuck bangers around

[glacial gyro]

now you have to get the iron riders frame

[patent bone]

Nothing much, my Scumma

[dreamy portal]

If i don't have it already.

And i don't think i do.

I didn't know there was now a different mark for the bolt pistol.

Also you know what i find a little funny between the dual and shredder auto pistols?

Fact that they have similar mag size, oddly enough.

Like 2 auto pistols together hold just about as much as a single auto pistol alone.

[livid raven]

another shredder L

Shredder peaked at high school

[dreamy portal]

I mean technically it holds more ammo in its mag than 1 of the dual auto pistols solo.

[livid raven]

actually you are right, they should nerf it again

[mighty belfry]

honestly i'm not sure, uncanny honestly isn't that needed on shivs

it already has a decent adm against the things you'd want it to

so mercy killer could work

but then again, it's still clunky because you still have to proc the bleed first before it actually gets any use

[dreamy portal]

What's adm?

[mighty belfry]

Armor Damage Modifier

Every weapon has particular ADM that dictates how much damage that weapon is gonna do against a specific armor type.

For example, reason why devil's claw innately is so bad against carapace is because its ADM is really bad for it.

[dreamy portal]

How's the crowbar's?

[mighty belfry]

But another weapon like, shivs, is pretty good against carapace because they have a good ADM so the armor doesn't take as much damage off.

[mighty belfry]

Terrible in blunt end, okay in prong end

[dreamy portal]

Kinda figured.

[light phoenix]

I feel Crowbar is mainly good for the Stagger

[dreamy portal]

I just love the crowbar for the fact it's just straight up a crowbar.

[mighty belfry]

actually i should ask, what kinda build is this on

[light phoenix]

Wish there was another mark for Crowbar

[dreamy portal]

Like a version of it with the ol' cane head shape? Like from half life?

You know what i kinda wish scum and maybe veteran had access too?

Pipe wrench.

[dreamy portal]

Do 1 of those have like a hammer head?

[last axle]

mostly down the middle with rampage/adrenaline, doing a sillier crit dot thing with flesh tearer/coated weaponry

[mighty belfry]

honestly you could really go either way

[dreamy portal]

I like the look of that alignment bar by the way, could see scum carryin' some of those into battle as throwables.

[mighty belfry]

personally, i'd think uncanny would just be the more consistent choice but at the same time, uncanny also doesn't really do much for the bleed in this case since it's nerfed uncanny

[flat mist]

Does anyone have a chainsword blessing/mark/unusual talents setup I can copy for my first test run?

[mighty belfry]

mercy killer could give you more burst damage on weakspots but there's always that contingency of needing to proc bleed first

[last axle]

yeah if it was on vet, serrated blade makes it a obvious pick but i dont have that guarenteed proc luxury and post nerf uncanny isnt the obvious top pick anymore either

[mighty belfry]

it's funny because 40% rending in theory is still really strong

[last axle]

oh yeah its still a really good option, just not straight busted S++ anymore

[mighty belfry]

the nerfed version just happens to also be on a weapon that already has decent enough damage against armored targets

[dreamy portal]

Rev it up adds more movement speed as you rev the chain sword.

[mighty belfry]

and if you really want armor damage on them

just throw a knife

[last axle]

tee hee

[dreamy portal]

Yeah, cause throwing it does add tox damage.

[mighty belfry]

how fatshark managed to power creep zealot's throwing knives not in the form of a blitz but as an actual primary weapon is truly beyond me

i'm impressed almost.

[dreamy portal]

Yeah just realized zealout's no longer the only class huckin' knives at "people"

[flat mist]

shred gives crit chance on hit

sky is blue

etc

[dreamy portal]

Check bloodthirsty for crit chance, does seem interesting.

[last axle]

easier to justify on a paid class probably

[dreamy portal]

Speakin' of chainsword i'd be surprised if there isn't a skin for it or eviscerator that adds blood spatter too 'em

[dreamy portal]

Just went through no man's land shredding everything with a catachan mk 4

[jade spoke]

I would love some feedback on this build I've been playing. Some friends and I cleared 7 or 8 40s last night and I never died, I only went down twice. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0a71c19-bc3f-4c18-8dd1-99bfd7b5e359/here-comes-the-boom-h40-tested

[hasty agate]

The weakspot damage node and the booby trap node are extremely weak in terms of value. 15% damage to elites and hive city brawler would get tons more mileage.

[livid raven]

or float like a butterfly

[jade spoke]

I will have to try that here, I use those on all of my other builds. Didn't have an issue with toughness being broken though

[livid raven]

the build is using a short cooldown stim

basically, the stimm is used only as a bomb

to be used like that you unfortunately need all 3 nodes

i don't like it personally, but that's the intent

[hasty agate]

Hive city brawler is also 20% more damage at 0 stamina. So on targets you just sprinted to, or if you block shove attack in hordes your stamina will deplete and give you more damage. Or just be additional tdr any other time.

Booby trap applies 7 stacks of toxin. 1 needle pistol body shot applies 6 stacks of toxin. I started running needle pistol instead of the booby trap. Fuck the trap.

[jade spoke]

I use the stimm supply mainly for the corruption immunity. The bomb is a bonus because I have a rough time with armor. The needler could work for armor but then I am sacrificing stopping power against disablers

This is a mid/backline build so I am constantly dealing with them

[dreamy portal]

You know, i wonder. Which class y'all reckon is more brainless to play? Arbites or zealout?

[livid raven]

hive scum

[dreamy portal]

Why hive scum?

[livid raven]

because i press M1 with infinite ammo

or M1 with op melee

[dreamy portal]

M1?

[livid raven]

mouse 1

light attack

or shoot

[dreamy portal]

Right.

Kinda feel some thought actually has to go into playing hive scum though, or at least a jittery hands that hit space often as you cut down the masses.

[livid raven]

that's me

i'm the jittery hands

in my experience, i usually receive the least damage when playing hivescum

either melee or ranged builds

[dreamy portal]

Meanwhile hand zealout a relic blade and he can take anything down in second while also still tanking a few hits. The arby has his dog. But even without it, he's just pure tank and not even an ogryn, and even ogryn i think takes some thought.

Could just be me though, both classes i remember playing a lot easier than scum does. Not that that's a bad thing for any classes mentioned.

[novel oracle]

arbites

[signal nebula]

definitely Arbites

[tired prairie]

Arbites.

[novel oracle]

holy shit is that you
the real linderblong?

[signal nebula]

It is I

the only

REAL

[dreamy portal]

It's the fact they're the most well armored, carry shields and even have a cybernetic animal companion ain't it?

[signal nebula]

Tanner Linderblong

[tired prairie]

They have many tools to just let them swing away at things without too much worry for personal safety

[dense hollow]

the weapon doesn't really matter, just m1 and turn off your brain

[tired prairie]

Like Break the Line, or any of their blitzes but especially shock mine and grenades; also there’s a lot of impact embedded into their skills „for free”

[echo python]

On-demand toughness replenishment and lots of it

[dreamy portal]

Meanwhile zealout gets stun grenades, friendly fire and throwing knives if you feel like a challenge.

And i forget 1 of their abilities that isn't either charging into the enemy or the buffer charm that also knocks enemies around.

[echo python]

The throwing knives are affected by some weapon blessings, so they're not that bad. Stack enough cleave and they can take out a row of enemies

[novel oracle]

a replenishing special/elite sniper you dont even have to swap to your gun for

on the class that would use that exact thing for

so their gun can be dedicated for covering up any severe weakness of their melee

[dreamy portal]

Ogryn can always throw a rock at the sniper, i know.

[livid raven]

pretty slow swap speed tho

also i swear the rock has turboass hitboxes

[dreamy portal]

Still fun and hilarious.

Have a hard time not hittin' my marks with the rock most times.

[tired prairie]

I don't know how far back your info on that is, but rock draw time was improved quite significantly at some point in time

Draw into RMB throw can be done in like... 0.5s?

[livid raven]

it's still not really that fast

[tired prairie]

It's fast enough it lets you flick some specials or elites

[livid raven]

i don't think it's really fast enough to handle a horde and throw a rock for the occasional disabler/special coming at you (and then resume with the horde), i wish it would be

[tired prairie]

the rock should get 50 cleave like plasma /s

[dreamy portal]

Oh no, rock's great for rugby with mutants, or playin' fetch with dogs.

[novel oracle]

i tried to get the rock to have some cleave, maybe like 5 or something, during the ogryn rework

but never happened

[livid raven]

it's funny when the rock bounces tho

and kills another special

[dreamy portal]

Reckon best blitz for scum is probably the rock, right?

[novel oracle]

best option for every class

[livid raven]

so true

[dreamy portal]

Think best for vet's probably krakk, zealout i'm partial to the friendly fire grenade in that regard but stunner's good for ressin' allies, ogryn it's either rock or box, psyker i'm between brain blast and soul seekers, arby shock mine's a useful door blocker, and hive scum it's always handy to take a chunk off a monstrosity's health at range with a high power explosive.

[tranquil berry]

The rock is so big it should scripted-1-tap every humanoid enemy, like it does muties, and continue down its path uninterrupted, doing that to everyone in its trajectory. Also cut its regen cooldown to 30s and then maybe it's decent

Till then, it's just flavor

Good flavor, but still

[dreamy portal]

Maybe penetration but slow down the more heretics it slams.

Treat ogryn's arm like a trebuchet or something.

[low harbor]

It got faster than before but still isn’t that fast

[tranquil berry]

Slow down? You mean oggy didn't throw it hard enough? Nah

It also needs the scripted 1 taps, cause a trapper getting up from taking one in the chest is just not right

[dreamy portal]

I mean if a crowd's dense enough eventually a bullet's gonna stop somewhere

[tranquil berry]

If a boulder the size of a couch comes at you at speed, you're out.

Conservation of momentum says: plow through

[dreamy portal]

Also yeah, they only take few bullets to kill even on damnation, and really shouldn't be able to get back up from taking the full force of a rock to the face. Least not immediately and not with all their teeth still in their head.

[tranquil berry]

It needs to feel like an ogryn threw half a building at ya, not like the neighbors' kid threw a pebble

[dreamy portal]

I mean it is a brick basically thrown by a guy with the mind of something like an 8-year-old that's technically stronger than a space marine.

[tranquil berry]

I also have to insist that it 1 taps on contact for all the reasons mentioned so far plus the fact that it really shouldn't be a precision weapon at all. Shouldn't have to headshot a trapper for it to stay down if you're throwing a rock-et ship at her

It's weird that you have to headshot with it to guarantee special kills

Even in auric

Since it's bigger than the head of the thing you're throwing it at

[willow vine]

How does the damage on shivs work? It feels like I get a shit ton of damage on it out of nothing

[dreamy portal]

Yeah, i mean i get nurgle can make a normal human follower outlive having his organs completely removed, or even being filled with maggots, but i still feel like getting slammed in the chest should kill the guy.

[tranquil berry]

Overtuned dlc weapon with stupidly high crit/weakspot scaling

But it's "balanced", the excuse goes, cause they kinda suck on non crit body shots... On a class that can sit at 80% crit chance and peak 100 easy...

So enjoy the ride!

[willow vine]

Lessgo!!

[dreamy portal]

And if not kill, least mangle him far enough to be unable to fight back in any other way than rottin' further and stinkin' up the place.

[tranquil berry]

If a veteran can swing a shovel and 1 tap it, an ogryn full yeeting a rock the size of the veteran should also 1 shot it... Whatever it is

[toxic dagger]

I use it for this all the time

[livid raven]

congrats

[toxic dagger]

Thanks

[woeful trellis]

it feels like if you dodge just after hitting the blitz button to pull it out, you have just enough time to safely throw it and swap to your melee before getting hit by poxwalkers

[grand jewel]

rock should shrapnel after hitting something in a horde, splattering a cone behind it

#buffrock

[tight rock]

Anybody been doing desperado bolt pistol build? If so while mark/perk/blessings have you been using

[grand jewel]

what the

[livid raven]

sounds like the worst shit not gonna lie

[tight rock]

saw a post about it saying they were chilling in havoc40 with it

idk

[main trellis]

Bait & cope

[tight rock]

cool story

[winter galleon]

If your w good player you can make anything work. Doing havoc40 doesnt make it good

Just think about how desperado works and how bolt pistol works and see they arent synergistic

[main trellis]

In that specific case yes

[tight rock]

thanks guys, great help

[main trellis]

Cause you can’t really help the weapon more…

[livid raven]

you are welcome

[plush cove]

I did find it pretty silly that chem toxin is not at all affected by Rotte Armor, tested it out at the start of the patch...

wonder if it's an oversight, most likely is

either way, Havoc Rotten Armor is COOKED right now...I feel like you have to play Hive Scums more or less when that hits

[north saddle]

I think i am done with darktide for this year.

I am having one 2004/2014 Error after the other and ive seen hammer and bolter episodes that were smoother than the absolute stroke on my screen. I am done. I cant enjoy this.

[livid raven]

i don't think rotten armor decreases dot damage

bros be like

i'm done with darktide this year

bro there are like 8 days left

[tranquil berry]

He's easing into fighting this addiction we all share

Good luck, get clean!

[zenith pagoda]

8 days without darktide

[exotic temple]

If you inspect the weapon you can look at the damage profiles for each attacks. The strike downs especially have nutty critical weak spot dmg.

[fallen void]

shiv dumpstat is mobility right

[livid raven]

are you using hyperviolence

[main trellis]

Nah; before it was fine
Just have CC

[hot edge]

havoc 40 solo no speedrunning

[random shuttle]

I love Mortussy

best game mode

[willow vine]

Nah man, is it good?

[livid raven]

yeah

if you are a melee build

[willow vine]

I gotta check it out

But I feel like I do enough damage already, I need to survive more

One mistake and you're dead

It's always the stupidest shit that kills me

The last game I was the only one left and the fire grenade blew up at my feet and it slowed me down and I couldn't get away from the mauler and got clocked

Maybe worth investing into the slowdown res stimm

[tight musk]

Use more toughness, use Hive City Brawler and Burst of Energy, also Chemical Dependency has a modifier that increases toughness damage resistance.

[willow vine]

I use all of this, I think it's just skill issue

[grand jewel]

proof?

[grand jewel]

dodge

[tight musk]

Simply don't make mistakes, dummy.

[exotic temple]

That is probably not a bad idea. Nimble and slippery customer also give a lot of oh shit potential

[tight musk]

I feel like I don't use slippery customer enough, except when I'm carrying a battery and become almost impossible to hit.

[livid raven]

tried shredder scum

those that say it's better than dual autos are tripping

[exotic temple]

I take it for desperado because the only thing that can hurt you is melee while in ca

I feel like the wind was easier to take before the talent tree shakeup

[livid raven]

seems like an almost strictly worse choice than dual smg

[exotic temple]

That’s what I was thinking but I didn’t want to knock it before trying it

[livid raven]

mind you i think it's still very good

better sound than dual smg

and you can shoot dogs without any fears as it staggers them

but the damage is pretty worse and it takes a lot of time to down maulers

[exotic temple]

My hang up with the dap is killing stuff at more than close range sap seems to do better at that

[livid raven]

true, shredder is better at that

[random shuttle]

Psh

Shredder, DAP

such pathetic guns

pale in comparison to Vraks IAG superiority

[livid raven]

i would pick that if i wanted a peashooter

[exotic temple]

I feel like a bargain bin veteran with vrak

Gun scum should be able to do slidey shooty bullshit and somehow not die

[fallen void]

QWEOPIGFHNWQIOGJWQOI[PGHJQWGEIOPWQHJGEWQE

[astral canyon]

Tru

[astral canyon]

Also tru

[rose flax]

Crowbar is insane, it's even better than the billhook since you don't even need to commit to your attack to stagger an enemy, you can stagger a crusher out of an overhead no matter how late the animation is, just like the crusher melee, heavy 2, just by hitting the crusher with a heavy attack, you can immediately dodge and it works the same

And against a crusher while attacking the head, just spamming heavy combo is best at dps
Or(forgot the reason) using heavy, light, heavy, light, is more dps, even though the overhead heavy does more damage

[random shuttle]

I do love those games when its all smooth sailing because I soloed Twins but the second I get netted the deam dies in 0.2s and we fail the mission

[exotic temple]

I hate those the worst. I feel bad because I get netted but then I’m like if I’m carrying least someone could do is get me out of a net.

[rose flax]

Mobility is better in my opinion, especially since every small amount of extra dodge distance is big with nimble

[random shuttle]

Better than what though

Everything else is dmg ramp

[rose flax]

Damage, I mean it barely does anything, it's main damage is from crits/finesse, or in this classes case, toxins

[random shuttle]

Yeeeah no, gonna keep Mobility as the Dumpo. Don't need that 20cm more dodge distance 😄

[rose flax]

You can light attack crushers, that 20% extra damage isn't doing anything

[exotic temple]

I’m a crowbar apologist but it gets a lot of hate for some reason. Taxe and caxe getting similar ttk without sticky attacks I think puts a lot of people off

[final temple]

on the other hand, nimble already trivializes disengage. that bit more dodge distance fucks you over on ledges more than it saves your ass.

[unreal stirrup]

crowbar get hate because it kinda ass

[zealous ravine]

shoulda been a giant wrench instead

[unreal stirrup]

also the alternative moveset leave you hella open and for some reason have shit for unyielding damage

[unreal stirrup]

crits/finesse scale off damage lol

[exotic temple]

Light attacking crushers seems like a waste. The way the crit modifiers work losing 20% dmg eats your dps. If you want to build dot stacks I guess that works but being able to 2-4 tap crushers seems more efficient

[unreal stirrup]

crowbar might have good stagger against crushers but it doesn't kill them fast enough in havoc

or really auric

cb is probably the worst scum melee atm

[random shuttle]

malice gamers, rise

[radiant swift]

don't all other damage boosts work off multiplying base damage too

[random shuttle]

yes

[zealous ravine]

replace havoc ranks with 40 malice difficulties

[unreal stirrup]

yeah

[north meteor]

I just logged in

why am I seeing this first thing in the morning

[zealous ravine]

we love malice

[random shuttle]

Malive Gamers Unite

Havoc Sweats:

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-markiplier-soyjak-soyjak-wojak-rage-gif-27376830

[north meteor]

I'm sure there are malice only gamers out there that don't even know bosses exist in the game

[random shuttle]

Vs Chad Malice Fun Time Gamers:

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-16585910052295990064

[livid raven]

they should readd sedition

[junior field]

I didn’t know you could say this many slurs in darktide

Censored out the n and f gay word

[random shuttle]

You can report them for them to get a nice ban

[north meteor]

so this is what Glep does on his ipad

[junior field]

I had the Cole and the Ronald Reagan chili last night

[rose flax]

I mean it kills them pretty fast in damnation, can opener and limb splitter make it really strong, and the non alternative mode is also pretty strong, dps wise

[unreal stirrup]

limbsplitter

😭

crowbar just doesn't do anything well outside stagger

no cleave, no damage

[radiant swift]

when it feels just ok on a full rampage build something is off on the weapon

vs everything else which shreds just about anything

[zealous ravine]

clearly it needed a heavy crowbar mk

with insane ragdoll force obviously

[unreal stirrup]

even rampage make devil claw doesn't feel like dogshit

[random shuttle]

And yet I soloed H41 with it smh my head

[radiant swift]

this mf only at H41

[unreal stirrup]

yeah

[random shuttle]

I soloed every mision on Sedition

[unique dagger]

teach me your ways, master

[random shuttle]

To achieve such power you just need to watch entire SuperJail without pausing. One big binge.

[rough peak]

How'd you even stay awake for that?! Impressive

[plush cove]

Before wasnt that bad cuz you still had melee dmg, but it was still a very limiting modifier in general and was generally not very healthy. But right now, it’s even more so, and even more cooked. Would be ok as a garden-adjacent mode tho if only they didn’t spam them like groaners still lol

[random shuttle]

of course I play without a screen

"If you finished Elden Ring with your screen turned on, you didn't really finished Elden Ring."

[junior field]

No im really ngl

It

Confuses me

It’s not bad at all

I just like

Don’t understand it

Especially the secondary mode

Like

[unreal stirrup]

yeah it isn't bad

it just dogshit

[random shuttle]

Ah the True Scaling of Dedicated PVE Gamer - Every option is either S-Tier or utter dogshit

[livid raven]

it's bad

[junior field]

Shivs outdoes it

Ngl the shiv dodge has made me go off a cliff twice now

[livid raven]

owned

and probably deserved

[rough peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1334710158525202443/99vpAu6.gif

[junior field]

I’m such a fat fucking reject

[random shuttle]

Imagine not winning every mission smh mh

[junior field]

I’m sitting on Morrows couch eating Mac and corpse starch bruh

[livid raven]

fortunately i don't fuck around at the start or i would fly off the stars in that certain map several times

[junior field]

JFUCJJJJJ

[rough peak]

Yeah, I've seen this happen before

I know better

[junior field]

yall saw nothing bruh I need a new phone

[rough peak]

or they run forwards and get ledged

[junior field]

It’s full on broken atp

@toxic dagger hey can I ask you a favor rq

[unreal stirrup]

Imagine basing your entire personality off being high and mighty because you don't like how people enjoy any resemblance of difficulty fr

[unreal stirrup]

also yeah this is funny

[junior field]

https://tenor.com/view/bubble-text-owl-text-bubble-bubble-text-owl-bubble-text-speech-bubble-owl-gif-25466686

[unreal stirrup]

my main problem with the funny crowbar is like

all other weapon can be shit in havoc but perform fine otherwise

but the crowbar just feel like shit even in auric

because it need negative cleave

[tight musk]

Crowbar is fine.

With rampage you can light attack spam hordes, and if you crit on a heavy in normal mode, you do a lot of damage to crushers with rampage going.

Also Superiority blessing buffs toxin damage, you can shoot enemies with needle gun and then switch to crowbar, almost 40% extra damage from toxin is very noticeable. Also pretty sure any elite or special killed by toxin while you're holding the bar will add/refresh stacks of Superiority.

[unreal stirrup]

it also slow ass fuck

if you need rampage just so the weapon doesn't feel like shit there a problem

[junior field]

No fr

Hold on I’ll post my bar build

[toxic dagger]

?

[dreamy rover]

I think you'll have less effort just going shiv

[junior field]

I’ll dm you

[livid raven]

You would

[toxic dagger]

my DMs are closed

[livid raven]

Owned

[toxic dagger]

if it's a mod inquiry, send a modmail

[livid raven]

Crowbar is jack of all done wrong

[junior field]

It’s less of a like an actual issue it’s more I like

Lwokey posted smth kind of doxy and was asking if you could delete it from the mod chat if it’s there too

[unreal stirrup]

knife > shiv tbh

[dreamy rover]

knife don't turn you into a blender

[livid raven]

I find the shiv more enjoyable and it even has a special

[toxic dagger]

i can't delete logs like that, sorry. i'll try to escalate

[unreal stirrup]

It does

also being way better at single target/armor

[north meteor]

I average twice a game

[livid raven]

I should try it on scum

On the desperado build

I use melee only for crushers anyway

What's the best mark for single target

[dreamy rover]

The crowbar is missing some critical blessing to make it work

[unreal stirrup]

it also missing actual cleave and damage on the light so they doesn't feel like filler to horde clear/st combo

same problem with bonesaw but like bonesaw have toxin

[dreamy rover]

Yeah, for a weapon that does quite a bit of staggering, it is missing things like skullcrusher

[unreal stirrup]

so it a little less stupid there

but then bonesaw have zero flak adm and toxin doesn't proc shock and awe

[fallen void]

which shivs mark is the good one

[dreamy rover]

Mk1

[radiant swift]

they are pretty even, but i prefer the mk1 for easier access to the single target heavies

(the mk3 you have to push attack first to get good single target heavies)

the mk3 has slightly faster lights or something iirc as well

[broken moss]

it's unique. and performs well. what more you want?

[unreal stirrup]

yeah if only we didn't spent the last 15 something minutes on why it is bad

💀

[dreamy rover]

we have better options

[zealous ravine]

2 crowbars

[broken moss]

of course we have better options. there's always a "better option". most of it is subjective but even when something is objectively better it's not typically by too much. my crowbar build wrecks 🤷

it's just a bit clunky without a lot of AS

[zealous ravine]

crowbar be doing decent then i switch to special mode and instantly have less safety than any 2h weapon

[broken moss]

but it's a crowbar... they're pretty heavy

[unreal stirrup]

realism in MY video game?

[zealous ravine]

on the class meant to be mobile too

[unreal stirrup]

I mean crowbar being straight up ass isn't subjective but ok

[broken moss]

yes. like the gravity keeping your feet on the ground. "realism"

it's not ass though. it's just not "the best"

I'm guessing y'all mainly use the shivs

doesn't get any simpler than that

[unreal stirrup]

I'm not even a shivs enjoyer but whatever

[zealous ravine]

i don like the shivs that much but they do feel the strongest

[broken moss]

depending on what you're doing I think the saw is the strongest

[unreal stirrup]

the bonesaw have it own problem lol

[broken moss]

definitely the strongest vs single target. comparable vs hordes

[unreal stirrup]

but it is better than crowbar

[zealous ravine]

saw feels so weird

[junior field]

Nah it’s good then dw about it

[broken moss]

I put them at the same level.

[near mauve]

crowbar issue is the same issue as chain weapons

latching into things sucks

this game is too fast paced for that

[low harbor]

Strongest hive scum melee is Rashad

[broken moss]

they both have a specific build required to make them good and they both have specific PlayStyles

[low harbor]

Second strongest either tac axe or shiv mk1

[unreal stirrup]

chain weapon at least have good moveset

[zealous ravine]

latch making you have single target stagger and alright ish damage is so guh

[unreal stirrup]

and blessing

[broken moss]

whereas shivs is just roll your face on the keyboard while spamming lmb and you just win

[unreal stirrup]

taxe > caxe tbh

[low harbor]

Nah, combat axe mogs in dps still

[near mauve]

i love the sawing animation cause it feels but objectively getting animation locked sucks ass

[unreal stirrup]

caxe is better on non rampage build though

[broken moss]

haven't tried tac axe on scum yet

[zealous ravine]

mohg

[low harbor]

Combat axe just better

[near mauve]

moh the mohglester

mohg bleed build when

[zealous ravine]

he beat the allegations

[low harbor]

Chain weapon not quite same issue as crowbar

[near mauve]

or right its mohg the mohglested now

[low harbor]

Crowbar’s single target is too dependent on beak heavy which drops safety massively

Chainaxe u can run XII and push atk ragers etc just fine

Crowbar’s rager stagger is also only weakspot hit with heavy atk (blunt)

And blunt mode’s first target profiles aren’t that high

[near mauve]

i love that u can perma bully ragers with tac 7 push attack

[low harbor]

If beak heavy’s 2nd damage tick came out faster it’d be nicer

Or if the damage tick came out faster scaling with atk speed

[broken moss]

I run the chaxe with the sweeping push attack

[tender marten]

i find that one pretty stinky

[unreal stirrup]

yeah because fatshark decided to not remove the cleave cap on it for some reason

[bronze glade]

mk4?

[zealous ravine]

i tried chaxe in psykhanium felt decent went into a match and it was pure copium lmao

[unreal stirrup]

the one with cleave heavies

[bronze glade]

ah yeah

mk12's the way to go

[near mauve]

chaxe slaps u just gotta get used to it

[rich umbra]

my fun desperado bolt pistol crowbar build isn't cutting it for even mid level havocs anymore

[near mauve]

desparado bolt pistol sounds like the most anti synergy shit ever

[low harbor]

U can do damage with Hyperviolence still

It adds to atk’s base damage

[toxic dagger]

too late already asked

[bronze glade]

it's good in auric at least

[low harbor]

But it’s not great

[broken moss]

mine shreds 🤷 no issues. but it also does crazy single target damage which is the big bonus

[rich umbra]

I can still run it in damnation or aurica or low havocs, but

[broken moss]

bro basically went into the police station to turn himself in for a crime nobody knew he committed

[rich umbra]

it's hard to deny how night and day melee shiv needle pistol feels

[unreal stirrup]

I was playing with a bolt pistol desperado scum and i don't think it that bad

[rich umbra]

especially with this week's havoc modifiers

[unreal stirrup]

granted the other teammate was fucking dogshit so

[bronze glade]

yup idk if it'll scale well into high havoc, but it's good in auric/AM

[unreal stirrup]

and we failed

[unreal stirrup]

it was h40 and he was second in damage when i was inferno psyker so uh

[broken moss]

I'd never run bolt pistol desperado

[bronze glade]

gunker 2.0 moment

[broken moss]

I love the bolt pistol but it's a sidearm

[bronze glade]

there's no reason you can't use it as your primary

i do it on vet

and on HIV

[rich umbra]

i like bolters on a thematic level but I hate how the regular bolter handles in this game

[unreal stirrup]

hiv

[rich umbra]

love how the bolt pistol feels, though

and in anything shy of havocs being able to instantly erase specials and elites is nice too

[versed spruce]

Other way around for me

Bistol barely reaching BPs even on the optimal setup is just sad

[fallen void]

ok so

i concur that the UK roadman build is very good

[broken moss]

slow rof, low damage compared to bolter, low mag count and fairly slow reload

you can use any gun as a primary I just don't think that one lends itself to that task very well

[toxic dagger]

bistol is super sidearm-coded

[random shuttle]

love my bistol

[iron patrol]

the hive scum dodging gotten me into holes in the map i never knew existed

[toxic dagger]

my favourite class to use bolter on is zealot just because it has tknives

[fallen void]

optimal shiv blessings?

[toxic dagger]

so you dont have to deal with the bolter being clunky in situations where that would be annoying

just throw knife

and then whip out the bolter for big game hunting

[iron patrol]

there is straight up a hole in the fucking map geometry only a hivescum on crack can dodge into

[random shuttle]

I guess you have a point beacause I use Bistol with shivs

[broken moss]

see Hank gets it

[tired prairie]

Uncanny & Riposte is one combination

[unreal stirrup]

it literally have same damage as the bolter but ok

other thing yeah

[rich umbra]

my least favorite thing about the bistol is how the rof is way higher when you ads

fs pls

[unreal stirrup]

suffer from many of the same problem

[rich umbra]

Just give the hipfire the faster rof too

[broken moss]

bolter is full auto

[tired prairie]

Wristwrecker 2000

[fallen void]

precognition and riposte sounds deadly i think im gonna grab those

[light phoenix]

What's a good melee to pair with Twinautos?

Having issues dealing with Crusher groups when boombringer is out

[unreal stirrup]

also lower ammo pool than bolter for some reason

[broken moss]

so even if each round had the exact same damage, which I'm not convinced of, having full auto and more rounds in the magazine is something to consider

[unreal stirrup]

reading comprehension is dead

[toxic dagger]

I also really like shrimpact puncture bolter. idc if it isn't optimal, I am magdumping that boss and stacking it to the tits with bleed and brittle and you CANT stop me.

[unreal stirrup]

brittleness on unyielding

😔

[fallen void]

if you're after dealing with crushers consider the crowbar

[random shuttle]

My man

[tired prairie]

Chainaxe, combat blade, combat axe, shivs, in no particular order; just pick your poison.

@edit
Crowbar is also OK.

[random shuttle]

All my Bolbguns are Shrimpact+Puncture

[unreal stirrup]

taxe erasure

[random shuttle]

because I am based like that

[toxic dagger]

just in case there's a teammate with a bad unyielding adm

i'm nice like that

[broken moss]

unyielding is an armor type, afaik, and brittle should affect all armor. someone please correct this with facts if incorrect

[random shuttle]

It affect everything but Unarmored and Infected

[exotic temple]

That’s really the only issue is that they give random weapons stupid high armor penetration. Crowbar should be the can opener of can openers but the downside is it’s a bit awkward. But it’s not competitive with the taxe with rampage because you can still 3-4 tap crushers with no real downsides.

[rich umbra]

fatshark let me steal the twin's plasma pistol

[unreal stirrup]

yeah except there isnt many case where weapon have low enough unyielding adm for it to matter

[rich umbra]

I want it so bad...

[toxic dagger]

it does work, it's just not super relevant for most popular weapon options because they have a high unyielding adm anyway. bleed also has a great unyielding adm

[broken moss]

which is what I figured

[unreal stirrup]

just because it work doesn't mean it good

[random shuttle]

More dmg is more dmg

[broken moss]

this is something I'm not familiar with. I don't dig into the specific numbers like that

[toxic dagger]

I just wanna do it anyway. im not gonna go surgical headhunting with bolter on zealot, i am emptying the mag into le big enemy blob

[random shuttle]

and bolbgun fun with bleed

makes enemies drip red

very good visual

I take 10

[radiant swift]

if you haven't used it with IJ yet it's really fun

[broken moss]

but I run bolter with the intent of dealing with everything including crushers if needed so brittle would still be nice. though I don't think I run that on blessings

[toxic dagger]

"but hank you could do cavalcade and pinning fire--" shut the FUCK up

[unreal stirrup]

holy ammo economy

[radiant swift]

the attack speed boost applies to ranged

[unreal stirrup]

pinning + bleed tbh

[broken moss]

yea fuck pinning fire.

[unreal stirrup]

literally like 5% less damage against boss and bolter get to sometimes hit bps on elites

[broken moss]

not nearly enough ammo in that mag to be stressing off suppression

[random shuttle]

Pinning fire? More like your mom called you for dinner 5 minutes ago

😏

[unreal stirrup]

pinning fire + bleed is like best of both world

stray to either direction and it just middling at the other one

[toxic dagger]

what is the relevance here?

[random shuttle]

I am high and mighty because I am 5'1" and can crash a can of cola in both hands

😏

[random shuttle]

I take my middling one then, thanks!

[unreal stirrup]

I mean i think you can figure it out lol

[broken moss]

I think the word whoever wrote this was looking for was "semblance"

[unreal stirrup]

minor typo

[bronze glade]

i agree it's not the intended use of the weapon, but with the right build, you can make it hyper ammo efficient on vet

[random shuttle]

Next you gonna tell me to not use Mk1 Devil Claw with Double Impact Blessings.

SMH.

[bronze glade]

and then HIV obviously just doesn't care

[broken moss]

as for game difficulty I love challenge but there's a limit and I think people just throwing the kitchen sink on the screen and calling it "difficult" is weird. at some point it just becomes tedious and not fun

[exotic temple]

Shivs with precog and uncanny are pretty gross. Hit them with a special heavy spam get special back rinse and repeat

[broken moss]

like having 40 mutants rushing you. just annoying as shit

[toxic dagger]

no you tell me

[broken moss]

I feel it

[dreamy rover]

I love my tacaxe scum.

[random shuttle]

Right now I am in middle of my Vet Story Arc

[unreal stirrup]

I don't shit on people for playing low diff but like some of them just act like anyone that enjoy higher difficulty is a no life lol

[random shuttle]

Discovering having fun with all weapons

[toxic dagger]

agreed. I think it is a fundamental design mistake that fast and mobile weapons are given high carapace adm or rending blessings.

imo knife, dsword, taxe, etc. shouldnt be effective into armor, and people bringing bigger and slower weapons are rewarded for having the power to punch thru carapace.

[exotic temple]

It’s fun but in no world should a hatchet do more damage to armor than a two handed crowbar

[unreal stirrup]

carapace is the bane of melee weapon balancing

[dreamy rover]

Shouldn't the crowbar get staggering type blessings though?

[broken moss]

havoc is a side piece game mode with a very small audience. I think people calling auric "low difficulty" is wild af

[random shuttle]

It's a rule of internet - the ancient Golden Rule:

**I, a luminous Gamer, one true and honored one, thy speaketh - thus, who are worse than me, are noobs and trash and should git gud. And thus, who are better than me, are sweaty no-life basement dwellers. **

[unreal stirrup]

I mean after bound by duty auric got more difficult

i find it more enjoyable since rotten stim exist

[toxic dagger]

mobile weapons with good dodges are good purely for that reason, before you've even attacked anything

it is incomprehensible to me that dsword was ever given strong singletarget heavies into carapace

[final temple]

uhm… we have plenty of historical melee weaponry that was specifically made to pierce plate armor.

[toxic dagger]

ogryn is like the only class that doesnt have this problem

because the cleavers suck into carapace. LIKE THEY SHOULD.

[unreal stirrup]

ogryn is unique

[broken moss]

cleavers?

[unreal stirrup]

they're uniquely doesn't benefit from the broken dodge

[exotic temple]

And none of them were hatchets

[unreal stirrup]

😭

[toxic dagger]

mk4 cleaver does ok

but if you want real anti-armor you bring a pickaxe like god intended.

[final temple]

actually, there were plenty of hatchets with a spike on the other side specifically to pierce for example a helmet

[unreal stirrup]

karsolas is fast as hell but uh

[exotic temple]

Those were war axes

[broken moss]

issue with pickaxe is that it takes 7 business days to complete a swing

[final temple]

no.

Hatchets.

[unreal stirrup]

for some reason it need higher than average mobility ig

[toxic dagger]

it is so dumb that a small zealot zooming around at the speed of sound can also do thousands of cara dmg with a single elegant poke

[final temple]

literally tool hatches repurposed for mercenary use in the 30 year war

[toxic dagger]

that is good design

[random shuttle]

What I am hearing

is we need to buff Ogryn!

[broken moss]

my combat knife zealot is wild as shit

[dreamy rover]

And then they gave them the dueling sword...

[random shuttle]

[unreal stirrup]

only apply to the branx

borovian and karsolas doesn't suffer from this issue

[random shuttle]

Branx also know as best Pickaxe.

[broken moss]

I kinda agree, except that there are so many fast options in the game that do good cara

[toxic dagger]

yes because that is all the bad design

pickaxe is a shining beacon of good design

but the rest of the game doesnt play ball

[broken moss]

like to fix that and make everything "correct" they'd have to redesign melee across the board

[toxic dagger]

yes

alas.

[unreal stirrup]

yeah like remove carapace

[random shuttle]

Make everything carapace

[unreal stirrup]

turn armor into smt like vt2 armor

[random shuttle]

Carapace Trapper

[dreamy rover]

Gonna be honest, I haven't tried knife scum yet

[broken moss]

bro you're talking heresy right now. people are actively sharpening pitch forks

[broken moss]

both of you are

[unreal stirrup]

single crit basically delete everything that is below mauler

uncanny + flesh tearer

[hallow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-ready-havoc-auric-gif-5335075504154329249

[unreal stirrup]

also way higher single target than shiv

[hollow shell]

[random shuttle]

Emprah Chosen Men

[icy scaffold]

Didn’t the enemy hp buffs nerf pickaxe pretty hard