hivescum-class

[limber cradle]

Bosses too

A lot of groups struggle with fat boys and bosses ime

[unreal stirrup]

I still don't get shiv glaze tbh

[manic wolf]

Needler feels so fucking shit tho

Like its really strong

[neon fern]

afk kill bosses

[manic wolf]

But its got no feedback

[neon fern]

afk kill crushers

[manic wolf]

"Click", wait ten seconds, something falls over

Its just not fun

There is no fanfare, there is no impact on target etc

[unreal stirrup]

not being able to kill shit instantly is the problem with bonesaw lol

needler feel like shit but it does something

[neon fern]

if u haven't tried the other shiv mark try it, it's way better for rampage

[ornate sorrel]

you can pretend it's an 'omoe wa shinderou' thing

[unreal stirrup]

yeah what about being off rampage

[neon fern]

needle time

[manic wolf]

I'll just bring something that goes bang and indulge my inner Ork brain, thanks 😄

[hardy maple]

I like the effect of hitting something knowing its gonna die before it hits you so you just deal with something else, for me its the shiv throwing knife

[dim moth]

zoomy

[ornate sorrel]

wagh

[unreal stirrup]

so does the knife

[neon fern]

and even when off rampage

[hardy maple]

swing very very fast

[neon fern]

the shivs on full melee are very good

[keen timber]

not how it's typed

it's

[unreal stirrup]

also funny taxe

[keen timber]

WAAAAAGH!!!

[gritty elk]

I wonder how nutty hive scum would be if hotshot still applied to melee

[ornate sorrel]

WAAAAAAAGH

[manic wolf]

TacAxe > Everything else 😄

[keen timber]

there we go

[ornate sorrel]

sorry i left my caps lock toggled off

[unreal stirrup]

taxe is like scum best melee

[hardy maple]

I know Taxe is best, but like axes are so boring

[neon fern]

i play since beta i've eaten so much taxe and caxe i'd rather kms than play them more tbh

[keen timber]

unless u like having fingers

[limber cradle]

I got them strong fingers

Can use taxe all day fine

[keen timber]

bro got them carpal tunnel fingers

[unreal stirrup]

i mean shiv isn't that much better since it literally just light for horde heavy for single target

aka my least favorite kind of moveset

taxe isn't much better but uh

[glossy cosmos]

fork scratching on a plate ahh sounds on carapace hits

[neon fern]

i was about to say

[limber cradle]

I at least get to push attack and it's kinda neat

[unreal stirrup]

exactly

[limber cradle]

None of the darktide melees feel like they have complex combos ime

[unreal stirrup]

mk3 evis fr

my beloved

[neon fern]

there's different chain of lights if u push attack with the other shiv mark

[unreal stirrup]

better than vt2 lol

[neon fern]

with better single target

[unreal stirrup]

tuskgor spear

[keen timber]

i feel like relic blade is about as complex as it gets and that can just devolve into spamming lights if ur fucking lazy

[radiant swift]

relic blades, mk3 evis

[unreal stirrup]

mk2 relic blade is one of the better moveset

[limber cradle]

Executioner's feels neat

Also yeah, while I believe you guys, I do not like playing zealot lmfao

[unreal stirrup]

executioner is just another light for horde heavy for elite kind of thing

[neon fern]

i like billhook in vt2

[limber cradle]

So the interesting melees are class exclusives on a class i simply don't like

[neon fern]

but it's hard to switch off rapier

[unreal stirrup]

billhook is uh

I don't like it

it's good

[keen timber]

isn't billhook really op

[unreal stirrup]

no

[neon fern]

it's p good

[limber cradle]

Idk how rapier feels that good and DS feels god awful

[unreal stirrup]

your horde clear combo is entirely dependent on stamina and its alway negative

[manic wolf]

TaxAxe and OG Shovel come the closest

[radiant swift]

Sigmar empowrs it

[tepid compass]

I still think it was a mistake to put the axes in darktide, maybe just scarred from when every meta slut was running axe and revolver in a fucking 40K game

[neon fern]

awesome special

[manic wolf]

Maaaan I wish Scum got the OG shit-shoveller

[unreal stirrup]

rapier have actual cleave and they attack faster

even if it doesn't cleave much

[limber cradle]

Its not even just the gun tho tbh, although I guess one tapping the mauler equivalents with it feels good

[keen timber]

I play mostly kerillian in vt2, in no small part due to getting a red sword and dagger and really liking them

[glossy cosmos]

the design, the flow of its attack looks great compared to DS, ds is kinda forcing the fluid motion the rapier pulled off

[unreal stirrup]

also vt2 push being much more powerful

[limber cradle]

Thats also true

[radiant swift]

give me the holy greathammer moveset in DT please

[unreal stirrup]

there also no delay from attacking to push n shit

[vast yoke]

on the toilet rn if anyone care

[unreal stirrup]

pic or false

[radiant swift]

this mf shitin

[glossy cosmos]

ds looks okay on third person, specially if you dont move for a bit and only dodge without walking

[neon fern]

blocked

[manic wolf]

Fuckin elf

[limber cradle]

Why the fuck would i want darktide to be third person

[radiant swift]

crazy

[unreal stirrup]

why is there a carpet in the shitter

[limber cradle]

Bathmat

[keen timber]

that's a rug

or yeah

bathmat is a better word

[vast yoke]

so i don't slip it's a bath mat

[hardy maple]

based on that tile structure, bathmat style, and jean brand, i now know where you are

[keen timber]

she's fun and i love her va

[hardy maple]

Kerillian forever

[vast yoke]

those aren't jeans

[keen timber]

yep after that photo I am now outside ur house right now

[hardy maple]

shit

[brittle sierra]

Fighting for your life? 😔

[vast yoke]

not really

[chrome jackal]

shid and fard to jesper kyd

[vast yoke]

that is what im doing

[vast yoke]

it's pretty appealing to people who ingested a lot of lead particles

[manic wolf]

Only heretics should be ingesting lead

[limber cradle]

I don't think I've ever wanted a game to be third person

I have wanted them to be first person

[bronze glade]

Based

[manic wolf]

Accurate tbh

[keen timber]

unfathomably based

[manic wolf]

First person is just a better experience

[limber cradle]

More immersion

My favorite HD2 glitch is when the game broke and you got stuck in first person

[neon fern]

feels better, to move in first person and movement is the most important mechanic in a game,

soooo

[astral canyon]

I want to try out db desperado

Does someone have a build for it

[icy scaffold]

I prefer third person ngl. I don’t feel like Skyrim’ing it up in melee

[manic wolf]

Get 'im lads

[keen timber]

I'm Voin'ing it up rn

[astral canyon]

Voin mention

[vast yoke]

i like playing chivarly 2 in tps but im glad fps in that game is arguably better

[keen timber]

i brought it yesterday

it's really fun

[vast yoke]

just makes me dizzu

[ornate sorrel]

voin?

[keen timber]

yeah

[astral canyon]

You should try out mortal sin btw

[keen timber]

fucking hated mortal sin

[ornate sorrel]

oh. the way it was phrased i thought it was some new skyrim mod lmao

[limber cradle]

Love Mortal Sin

[keen timber]

wait no

nvm i got games confused

havent played mortal sin yet

it's on the list though

[unreal stirrup]

is this a tidelike

[astral canyon]

You should

[keen timber]

no

[unreal stirrup]

damn

[keen timber]

i do plan to at some point

[limber cradle]

The only third person games I love are like, horror games. Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Dead Space. But even atp my favorite Resi is 7.

[keen timber]

it's a first person melee focused game

[icy scaffold]

I probably wouldn’t mind first person as much if Fatshark knew how to make good sights and make it so particle effects don’t literally blind you

[limber cradle]

I highly reccomend it

[keen timber]

horror in first person is more immersive imo

[dim moth]

I found a heavy eviscerator in the mech game I'm currently playing :)

[keen timber]

i mean yeah again I'm planning on playing it at some point

[gritty elk]

Witch Hunter Captain with the innate headshot bonus + 50% from the talent

[keen timber]

Voin is really fucking fun atm though

[limber cradle]

It feels good on BH too

[keen timber]

It just feels good

[limber cradle]

Its not just WHC carrying it

[gritty elk]

True

[unreal stirrup]

because rapier have actual cleave and being much faster

[gritty elk]

I just love nuking everything with whc rapier

Huntsmen Kruber with longbow my beloved

[astral canyon]

Does anyone have a build setup for db desperado they can share

[unreal stirrup]

the cleave value isn't that high and doesnt have linemans but it infinitely better than ds

you know what fuck

vt2 axe zealot

[keen timber]

"Welcome to the future motherfuckers"

[icy scaffold]

Just make sure you have the DR while reloading talent. Also probably picks Chem Dependency over Vulture’s since you can’t abuse vulture’s dodge.

Oh and the speedloader talent probably

[astral canyon]

Eh +15% ranged damage, crit chance and move speed is good enough for me

Not like i even use vulture dodge anyways

[keen timber]

vultures is still good without vultures dodge though

[bronze glade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0909dc2-3b46-4c65-86f5-738473a4a423/inferno-hiveker

[icy scaffold]

I like the crit/dr/cdr of chem

[bronze glade]

look at me

i'm the psyker now

[vast yoke]

viewmodeltweaker mod with crosshair remap (continued) mod to have a floating crosshair over your gun instead of seeing your gun model fully encompass the enemy

[icy scaffold]

Console player 😎

[vast yoke]

yeah you're fucked 💔

[astral canyon]

What shiuld i put these last 2 points in?

[lapis raft]

have you tried hyper violence instead of hyper critical there? i was wondering if stacking hyperviolence with double barrel for shivs ca be any good

[limber cradle]

Tbf man the recon both has ass sights and some of the worse effects

[keen timber]

hyperviolence is melee only

same with hypercrit

[icy scaffold]

A shame it’s literally my favorite gun.

[vast yoke]

hypercrit is better for those shivs imo

[lapis raft]

yea but you can stack it with ranged weapon

[keen timber]

wait

seriously?

[bronze glade]

i think either works, but you're going to be using DB for horde clear, so hyperv is of lower value

in my eyes

[vast yoke]

im done poopinh

Havoc time

[lapis raft]

well its more like hyperviolence from horde clear and then one shot crusher with shivs right

or at least that would bethe idea

[bronze glade]

i don't think hyperv for crusher damage is going to work that well on shivs

[vast yoke]

i think it's a bit of a pipedream if that's how it actually works since hviolence has a pretty stringest timer

[keen timber]

yeah i dont know if it actually really has application tbh

[exotic temple]

Ogryn has some fun combos on the cleaver that looks like a giant combat knife and mk3 club

[astral canyon]

Kuli guide says hypercrit is melee only and hyperviolence is both melee and ranged

[lapis raft]

idk i can imagine it working somewhat if you play it as inverse weapon specialist

and you can get a lot of swap speed on scum

[vast yoke]

borovian pickaxe has more interesting combos than both XD

[neon fern]

it's not the easiest talent to make work

[unreal stirrup]

borovian my beloved

[neon fern]

i wouldn't recommend hyper violence

[exotic temple]

I still haven’t gotten used to the pickaxes

[unreal stirrup]

there only 2 pickaxe

[exotic temple]

That was after my time

[bronze glade]

all the picks are good

though i like karsolas the least

it's the most boring

[unreal stirrup]

it's the least boring but somehow is one of the faster ogryn weapon mobility wise lmao

literally same as mk3 club

[exotic temple]

I thought there were 3 picks

[unreal stirrup]

yeah one of them suck shit

[exotic temple]

Oh is that the slow one?

[unreal stirrup]

take 2 business day to swing

[charred bronze]

I see them as the same. They both ruin the experience for other players.

You wanna god mode a single player game? Do whatever the hell you want. Keep your shitty cheats out of co-op and pvp games.

[bronze glade]

i won't stand for the branx slander

though i think boro's the best

outised of havoc at least

[unreal stirrup]

branx fans when they get cucked mid combo

(why ogryn doesn't have fucking stun immunity)

I think it still good in havoc but karsolas just require no thinking and being much faster than boro still

karsolas is basically just better mk3 club

[near mauve]

pickaxes are not boring

[manic wolf]

So speaking of that. How about using CE to build characters in a souls game? (ignoring the fact that the entire PvP community does it) You're not effecting anyone else's game, you don't have access to anything that isnt avaliable in the game, its just a time-save

[near mauve]

way more funny combo than like every other ogryn weapon

[manic wolf]

Not enough zeal

[bronze glade]

branx isn't even that slow

esp since the ST combo is just light spam

[unreal stirrup]

actual insanity that the biggest class in the game doesn't have stun immunity and have to go out of their way to get a talent just to have it on their HEAVIES only while religious twink can easily and active all the time

[limber cradle]

The singular weapon I've used and liked on og is the branx pickaxe tbh

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[unreal stirrup]

my problem is with the horde clear combo

[bronze glade]

ogryn deserves to suffer

[reef spoke]

Ogryn needs buff, pls give heavy bolter

[unreal stirrup]

is there a lore reason why ogryn doesn't get a second rework after all other class no diff him

[exotic temple]

Ogryn are best bois they don’t need to suffer

[bronze glade]

psyker on its third talent tree:

[limber cradle]

I pray they nuke psyker from orbit

[unreal stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1445861602514698291/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-12-04_2-37-00_AM.mp4?ex=6946524c&is=694500cc&hm=fe48454d0fa2dd8ab9631712d1903f5d411e11949992fdae27af8bd71f1fb47e&

[neon fern]

inshallah twin

inshallah

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/church-praying-regret-hope-faith-gif-20270436

How i feel about psyker

[manic wolf]

At the end of the day, they might be big, but they're still (ab)humans

The Zealot getting stun immunity is probably isolated due to them having the Thammer and being a religious nutcase

[livid raven]

they also get owned by a dog a quarter of their size

[manic wolf]

An given the Scottish Zealot, probably senses dulled by alcoholisim

[neon fern]

the tread lightlies stuff looks peam with that one gasmask

yellow stripez

[charred bronze]

I do think Ogryn should only get staggered by muties, and not grabbed

[manic wolf]

Yes, lets make Ogryn even more hilariously overpowered 🙄

[charred bronze]

I mean arbites with dogs out already effectively have that vs both hounds and muties

[hearty night]

Ogryn should be immune to dogs too

[charred bronze]

it's not a huge deal. I enjoy the careers doing slightly different things well

or make it a talent point

[manic wolf]

Alright, you can be immune to dogs, the tradeoff is you cant dodge netters

[hearty night]

Oof

[limber cradle]

I mean, they let arb be immune to dogs and mutants by default

[exotic temple]

With the size of hit box nets already suck

[hearty night]

By the power of dog

[unreal stirrup]

ogryn so bad that even after fatshark broke dodging ogryn is the only class that doesn't benefit from it

[lilac ermine]

Maybe ogryn should be able to be break out from nets and dogs

[charred bronze]

at no cost.

[lilac ermine]

And mutants

[hearty night]

Idk man, the nets look solid

[limber cradle]

That was the "by default" bit

[hearty night]

but the dogs and mutants look riddiculous

[lilac ermine]

But make ogryn not able to dodge ranged attacks

[manic wolf]

Yeah, there is a cost, you dont get regenerating blitz

Regen on blitz > dog, its just how it is

[limber cradle]

Dogsplosion

[unreal stirrup]

bleed dog on launch

😍

[charred bronze]

dogsplosion is still great as a mass stagger

[winter galleon]

on melee scum i run 1 +3 stam but on pure desperado prob 3 toughness right?

[manic wolf]

Ok, you dont regen on a blitz that don't rely on shitty AI

[charred bronze]

and monster stagger

[keen timber]

dogsplosion is also decent damage

[manic wolf]

Impact an shock are so much better tho

[exotic temple]

I think nets and dogs should be a quicktime event and ogryns should just complete it faster but take longer on the devices

[unreal stirrup]

I don't think dogplosion is good damage wise but whatever

[limber cradle]

It relies on you using ping well tbf

[hearty night]

Something you should probably learn when playing with others

[unreal stirrup]

still have to rely on the dog though

[manic wolf]

I dont want to press ping, I want to lob a grenade and watch stuff explode

Priorities

[neon fern]

yeah but hasan piker

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/orc-smile-gif-10315643652749609661

[keen timber]

i think when a netter tries to net you it should pause the game and bring up an Osu level and you need to ace it else you get netted and take 50% current hp in true damage

[limber cradle]

Look all you said was regenerating blitz which they do have with dog

[charred bronze]

I'll put it this way. I'm happier to see arbites with dogs on a squad, than ones without. Sure, they're strong as hell without, but dog is great

[keen timber]

LOL

[neon fern]

hasan build

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1198327762964988055/image0-2-1.gif

[supple delta]

What does each Taxe mark do?

[manic wolf]

I could have said good regenerating blitz, but people would be upset with me if i did that

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-hyde-im-coming-to-kill-you-milliondollarextreme-hasan-piker-boxing-gif-26603715

[hearty night]

Give me a friggin touhou level im gonna dodge the rain

[limber cradle]

Didn't matter, I'm upset anyway. Balance is maintained.

[bronze glade]

2: exists

7: best

4: light spam

[charred bronze]

mk 4 is hipster axe. mk 7 is spam lights with occasional heavies and win. Special on both is great

both are excellent, it's really moveset pref

[manic wolf]

4 has better special chain

Nose-breaker

[charred bronze]

7 still staggers the shit out of things

[limber cradle]

I still cant believe the singular thing that can actually kill a good arb is the fucking trapper tbh

Like

[charred bronze]

I still can't believe that fatshark hasn't addressed no-warning trappers, bursters, and dogs

[versed spruce]

Chudstigator's Stance when I just put a net over them

[manic wolf]

I dont think they can tbh

[versed spruce]

[charred bronze]

the sound cues need to prioritize disablers hard

[exotic temple]

I’d agree if they would take away the nets ability to go through everything and make trappers get a clear los

[supple delta]

Perks and blessings to use on Taxe are?

[charred bronze]

like, ambiently reduce noise clutter at high difficulties

[limber cradle]

Dead by daylight skillchecks in my DT when

[unreal stirrup]

I think 2 is not that bad tbh

[versed spruce]

Hearing a groaner go "HUNGRY!" and then getting snuck by a silent burster

[unreal stirrup]

mk4 on other hand uh

[charred bronze]

carapace/unyielding - brutal momentum & headtaker

[manic wolf]

Headtaker/Brutal Momentum, Flak/Unyeilding

[limber cradle]

Cara/Unyielding/Headtaker/Brutal Momentum

[supple delta]

lmao

[unreal stirrup]

mk7 literally does like double mk4 damage

shred + headtaker for better single target

[cinder pine]

cartel special is the unique stim, right?

[unreal stirrup]

unyielding cara

[manic wolf]

Yer

[cinder pine]

ty

[unreal stirrup]

taxe already have extra damage against flak

[limber cradle]

Yeah, if a penance says cartel special it means during your stimm

[charred bronze]

especially on event maps when density is so high. I have no idea how people avoid shit on havoc. During this altar event on high intensity maps, I can't hear a goddamned thing

[manic wolf]

People are just used to shitty audiocues

Its been a thing since forever

An got notably worse when they first introduced Auric

[limber cradle]

Should they be fixed? Yes. Do I expect them to be? No.

[manic wolf]

As I said, I dont think they can be fixed

[charred bronze]

yeah, skill issue on my part I guess. Virtually every time I've been trapped or dogged, it's either because I was at the end of a dodge, dodging some other special, or it was noise-cue-NET all in a rush

[manic wolf]

It feels like the audio engine can only handle so many samples at any given time

As soon as the number exceeds its limit, it just doesnt play them

[charred bronze]

or bullshit, dog runs up and tackles you with no pounce pause at all

[versed spruce]

Sometimes it feel like trappers shoot early

But could be tweaking

[manic wolf]

Trappers are just all kinda jank

[charred bronze]

On higher diff I think there's a much shorter delay between cue and net, but I mean I'm hearing it and getting netted simultaneously sometimes

[manic wolf]

Mind you, so are Snipers, just in a less aids way

[charred bronze]

instant shot snipers are a thing too, but that seems much rarer

[versed spruce]

At least snipers do something funny when there's an enemy between you and them

[manic wolf]

I more meant that they sometimes hold the gnarliest angle and catch people unawares, and other times run headlong into the Ogryn's whirling fists

[versed spruce]

Love seeing a groaner get sent into the next country because he was in the shot

[charred bronze]

snipers need a max range where they have to reposition to keep shooting

[manic wolf]

They do not need a range limit

[unreal stirrup]

one of my friend also got sniped through the floor lol

[manic wolf]

That would make them a non-threat a lot of the time

[versed spruce]

Yeah them being an actual sniper is fine

[charred bronze]

there are certain maps where a sniper behind cover so far away that like, map fog hides them, can still keep shooting from almost across the map. Had a train mission where a sniper was shooting something like 3 or 4 cars awaya

[manic wolf]

The only special that actually needs TLC is the Trapper if we're not counting Burster audio issues

Because it is in fact not very cool to get netted through chainlink fences and through floors/gaps in stairs

[charred bronze]

I'm not saying short. I'm saying not past the fog of war

it's a rare case, but it's awful when it happens

[charred bronze]

by far the most important

[manic wolf]

Ouch

[manic wolf]

Sniper having psuedo-infinite range is like one of the least offensive flavours of bullshit present in this game lule

Just aim at the laser 5head

[near mauve]

snipers are rarely an issue outside the servers bugging out and not getting a warning

[charred bronze]

Like I said, it's rare, but when you can't shoot them back, it sucks. Reminds me of whirlwind bitches in VT2 continuing to whirlwind you from outside of map bounds

though, admittedly, not as bad as that

regardless, we agree trappers are the biggest offenders

[cinder pine]

old ass clip, I swung for the head and I guess that missed the hit box by a pixel

[manic wolf]

I don't think ive ever had a situation where I cant shoot them back

[unreal stirrup]

fucking stormblighter lmao

genuinely the worst thing since hitler

[charred bronze]

I've had it happen a few times over the last couple days, which is why I'm particularly salty about it

[manic wolf]

No, you hit it, but the server didnt register it before it pounced lol

Happens to all of us on occasion

[cinder pine]

I was so sure that it was dead that I started to turn away immediately after the swing.

😭

[exotic temple]

lol trappers nets should net the first thing it touches so if it tries to shoot through a horde it nets a pox walker or something

[cinder pine]

That would be hilarious

[manic wolf]

Shooting through trash is fine, I have a particular hatred for them shooting through a 15 deep Bulwark and Crusher wall though

They just need an upper hitmass limit, thats an easy fix

[exotic temple]

lol that would be great if they netted a bulwark or crusher

[manic wolf]

It'd be pretty funny lol

[rich carbon]

anyone got a build for twin pistols

[manic wolf]

Yes, but also no, not logged in atm 😄

[rich carbon]

twin stub pistols specifically

i assume melee build w/ twin daggers & use pistols as a second

[woeful hill]

Dclaw...

[exotic temple]

If you look on gams lantern I have one under methhead marbo

But it’s more a leveling build

[rich carbon]

dang

[versed spruce]

Dogs can be such bullshit sometimes

They also need TLC

[dim moth]

you don't really need to build for them

they just kind of work

[rich carbon]

fair

ill prolly slot em in a twin daggers melee build

[exotic temple]

Yeah they work better as a side arm vs being a primary weapon

[rich carbon]

i wish crowbar was good lol

[charred bronze]

imo crowbar is good. It's just not great

it's a usable weapon

[exotic temple]

I mean I like crowbar but I’m weird

[bronze glade]

The horde clear on it is actually so ass

[charred bronze]

there are better weapons for both armor and horde clear for sure. It's got some weaknesses.

Wish the armor damage was much better to compensate

maybe if can opener delivered a full application of stacks in one heavy+yank

rather than demanding repeated hits?

[hasty agate]

This track smacks while playing scum https://open.spotify.com/track/3EbcgpT4WQcNPByntnpT7P?si=emOTSLIwQFuhSEyHvEn9jw

[brittle sierra]

other than vraks, what is the best range hive weapon?

[rich carbon]

my issue is it does like. doesn't work against armor (the thing its supposed to be good into)

[livid raven]

i think it's supposed to be a jack of all

[rich carbon]

hmm

would a stimm supply knives / pistols build want adrenaline frenzy or vulture's mark

[limber cradle]

Adrenaline

Vultures heavily benefits from rapid fire ranged.

Amd a primarily ranged build

[rich carbon]

maybe something like this?

needs tweaking ofc

[limber cradle]

Why run pickpocket

[rich carbon]

ammo

[limber cradle]

Its a melee build

[rich carbon]

tho im honestly not sure how much pistols need it

they're pretty efficient

[limber cradle]

You're eating 3 points for pickpocket

[rich carbon]

what nodes does frenzy want

[limber cradle]

From left to right 2, 3, 5

[rich carbon]

i assume smiter and stoked rage

[keen timber]

pickpocket is a ranged setup node not a melee node

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[rich carbon]

does Long Lasting work on stimm supply

[limber cradle]

Fwiw I don't tun 5th node on adrenaline

[keen timber]

like if ur using all ur ammo on a melee setup ur either u have a gunlugger in ur game or u need to just swap to desperado

[brittle sierra]

pickpocket is probably the best talent in the entire tree for havocs

[limber cradle]

Its a melee build

You simply don't need it

[keen timber]

^

either go full ranged or put the gun away and use the weapons ur building into

[limber cradle]

If you are shooting so much you need the extra ammo just run a desp VD build

[brittle sierra]

it doesn't matter, having unlimitted ammo in a game mode where one wrong move = loosing the entire run, it is safer to just shoot from a distance the specialists

[limber cradle]

That's great

Stop shooting that much on your melee build.

[keen timber]

this totally ignores the opportunity costs and things

[brittle sierra]

like I dont think yall realize how precious ammo is in havoc

[keen timber]

at that point just go full range

[limber cradle]

I think i do

[rich carbon]

does Long Lasting work on the buff from Stimm Supply?

[limber cradle]

And I think I value other things more.

[radiant swift]

it doesn't afaik

[limber cradle]

I do not believe so but I am not a crate person.

[rich carbon]

modified tree

[keen timber]

I would assume it doesn't

[rich carbon]

im kinda thinking of dropping the ranged toughness node tbh

[limber cradle]

You don't need it on a melee build

[keen timber]

I don't

yea

[unreal stirrup]

taxe without shred feel so ass

[keen timber]

i dont think VoT is worth

[brittle sierra]

well you're wrong because no matter how good you are in melee you can't outplay 40 netters behind a wall of crushers

[rich carbon]

huh

[limber cradle]

Uh huh.

[unreal stirrup]

why not regen on stim regen

[keen timber]

"Well ur wrong because I said so" ahh argument

[limber cradle]

You cant pen the crushers anyway dude.

[brittle sierra]

also for crate, I wouldn't go that route tbh

[rich carbon]

how important is Hyper-Violence on knives

[keen timber]

u also cant SHOOT 40 netters behind a wall of crushers

so ur point is moot

[unreal stirrup]

useless

[brittle sierra]

yes you can, from a different angle

[limber cradle]

HV feels way better on something like taxe than shivs ime

[brittle sierra]

but not melee

[limber cradle]

Oh so you can

[rich carbon]

boom

[limber cradle]

Maneuver around them

[rich carbon]

weird chem toxin support thing

[limber cradle]

Thus outplaying them

[keen timber]

[keen timber]

nono, only the guy with a gun has legs and the ability to walk

everyone else has to stand still

[limber cradle]

Orcka go come up with a better point and come back to me

[brittle sierra]

you cannot manuver around a crusher line in melee, but you can kill the trapper spawning in with range, yes

[limber cradle]

Maybe you can't.

[keen timber]

[brittle sierra]

aaww, did I hurt your wittle feewings telling you are wrong? 🥺

[limber cradle]

No i just think you're a moron tbh.

[ornate sorrel]

guys prepare yourselves it's an altercation on the internet!

oh gosh! oh dear!

[brittle sierra]

oh no, guy's, he think's I'm a....aaaa.... 😭

[radiant swift]

also you can still shot without having pickpocket

like that saying I need to deal with an enemy from ranged some times

[keen timber]

If ur using the stub pistols,

[limber cradle]

Fuck, a goober even.

[rich carbon]

oh what's the best Stimm for crate?

[keen timber]

I feel like you kinda want sticky hands?

[limber cradle]

I do too

[keen timber]

the dual guns feel like they really want it

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

don't listen to these guys, Ive seen a lot of misinformation in scum chat recently tbh

[keen timber]

LOL

"dont listen to everyone in chat, just listen to me instead"

[brittle sierra]

yeah, and? 😈

[ornate sorrel]

sounds legit tbh

if you're confident in your opinion you're never wrong

[tender marten]

I'm the only real scummer here because I actually do drugs while I play.

[brittle sierra]

I'm tired of trying to explain why X is good when the reply is always: "nuhuh"

[unreal stirrup]

nuh uh

[limber cradle]

Im tired of a totally unrealistic scenario

[brittle sierra]

thank you, I am changed my mind

[keen timber]

ur running chem dependancy with the stims

but the stim will probably always come off cooldown before the fucking crate does?

[brittle sierra]

guys chem dependency bad

[keen timber]

[brittle sierra]

see what I mean?

[keen timber]

it's shit with crate because crate doesn't need ability cdr

[ornate sorrel]

[unreal stirrup]

crate is bugged rn and give stim effect even when it on cd

[brittle sierra]

maybe I'm not taking it for the CDR

[unreal stirrup]

spam double crate

[brittle sierra]

crazy I know

[rich carbon]

chemdep is bad on crate because it doesn't benefit crate

[keen timber]

the 15% crit?

[brittle sierra]

im not taking DEP for the crate I am taking it for the crit

[keen timber]

that's such a waste wtf

[rich carbon]

adrenaline frenzy??

[unreal stirrup]

i mean 15% isnt a lot

[keen timber]

yeah it isnt

LMAO

bro

u cannot be serious rn

[unreal stirrup]

also adrenaline exist

[brittle sierra]

because without other nodes to stack the melee damage I don't see how useful frenzy is on a crit dep weapon like shivs

[limber cradle]

Posts build, galvanized chat against them.

Gj Orcka

[brittle sierra]

everyone seems to assume things, not my fault 🤷🏻‍♂️

[limber cradle]

"No listen to me they're spreading misinfo"

[keen timber]

Well

To be specific

before you posted your build

[brittle sierra]

ah yes, please explain to me why having almost 100% crit rate is bad

[keen timber]

I was assuming it was shit

after you've posted your build

I KNOW it's shit

im not assuming anymore

[manic wolf]

Chem Dep is kinda just bad unless you're really struggling to stay upright

[brittle sierra]

Ive havoc 40ed with it, so IG it's double shit 😈

[limber cradle]

I havoc 60'd with mine

[keen timber]

hav40 is hard, whatever, at some point basic player skill will overtake build optimisation

[unique spire]

But crits tho

[limber cradle]

I can also make claims with no proof

[manic wolf]

Eh, I don't see that as much of a selling point for most builds, its a nice thing to have, but its unlikely to go the distance 25% melee +10% attack speed will

[brittle sierra]

the point of the build is to crit as much as possible to stack bleed and toxin, and abuse hypercrit

I would recommend actually trying it for yourselves

[manic wolf]

Eww Hypercrit

[brittle sierra]

actually wait it has hypervio0lence too 😈

[unreal stirrup]

shiv is so ass in havoc fr

I don't think it worth it

[unique spire]

Have you tried the instantly killing shivs?

[manic wolf]

So rather than taking the huge bump in melee damage, you're crit stacking and cucking yourself out of that damage constantly? Makes sense

[brittle sierra]

that's a take

but tbh I think tacaxe is a sleep wepaon 😈

[unreal stirrup]

I mean knife exist

[keen timber]

I mean

[unreal stirrup]

taxe is literally scum best melee rn wdym lmao

[neon fern]

shivs are good in havoc

[limber cradle]

TAxe is like the best melee on Scum ime

[brittle sierra]

why do you care about melee damage over crit rate for shivs? the majority of its damage is from crits

[keen timber]

at this point it's just low effort ragebait

[sinful matrix]

If only pubgryns could get the memo

[limber cradle]

I don't think it's a sleeper pick either

[keen timber]

melee damage will amp crits too though

[brittle sierra]

yes if this was a melee build I would dump that shit, but it isn't I have to choose one or the other

[keen timber]

like

[exotic temple]

Really? I didn’t have an issue. It’s takes 2-4 hits to kills a crusher but the ttk isn’t bad. The sticky hits aren’t my favorite

[sinful matrix]

I suppose I might just have too high of expectations of my randos though

[keen timber]

crits are important but u still want base damage to back them up

[manic wolf]

So why are you taking Hyperviolence then if you're critting bascially every hit?

[keen timber]

oh right thanks for reminding me

i was gonna ask anna and kay to run havocs with me so i dont have to fuck with party finder

[unreal stirrup]

yeah hyper violence on the shiv is uh

[manic wolf]

Either way you dress this up its gonna fall apart when you apply some basic logic

[unreal stirrup]

why

[sinful matrix]

Does Kay do havocs?

[keen timber]

idk jelly recommended I do it

[sinful matrix]

I thought she was still auric damnation farming for skill

[brittle sierra]

there is misinformation here in the chat that HV and HC somehow has "negative synergy"

[manic wolf]

It literally does.

[brittle sierra]

proof?

[unreal stirrup]

I mean it kinda fucking does on knife and shiv

[manic wolf]

It reduces the enemy HP to zero. There is no overflow

[unreal stirrup]

taxe can actually make use of it

[manic wolf]

You get nothing for HV with it

[brittle sierra]

because HV is for wave clear, HC is for elites, I don't see the mis synergy?

[manic wolf]

I do, because elites just fold to HV anyway as they tend to also have mobs thrown in

[brittle sierra]

I dont care, because I one shot the trash hordes anyways

I want to one shot the elites, not the trash

[manic wolf]

The only thing its gonna be proccing on is Maulers and you're gimping your clearspeed vs everything else for that to happen when you could just... hit them twice

[brittle sierra]

oh wait HC does that for me

[tender marten]

The issue with hypercrit is -- yes that nevermind.

[sinful matrix]

I mean I'm always around too

[brittle sierra]

if I miss one kill the HV resets and back to 0 anyways

[keen timber]

oh my goat

[sinful matrix]

I will admit my patience for havocs is like. . . 3 matches though

To note: I've only gotten up to havoc 25 or something

[manic wolf]

Yes... it does.

[sinful matrix]

so anything above it will take an adjustment period

[keen timber]

yeah about the same I just turn off and get bored

party finder is just aids

[brittle sierra]

I would play more havoc if I didn't fucking crash because there is too much on the screen

[tender marten]

25-30 is the havoc fun sweep spot imo

[manic wolf]

What you dont like RNG lobbies where you get one competant player and two floor inspectors?

[tender marten]

Harder than Auric but not total bullshit (depending on mods anyway)

[manic wolf]

Why ever not?

[unreal stirrup]

I like 40 but i don't like 40 players

[keen timber]

The fun is there, sure, but the issue is between missions when u need to party finder

[unreal stirrup]

I just want to prog havoc without mfs needing chorus or they die

[dim moth]

bros got nothing to lose and still choose to be cowards

[tender marten]

40 is 'fun' in the same way trying to land a plane with all four engines gone is fun.

[dim moth]

like damn

[sinful matrix]

The biggest thing I'm still learning in havocs is all of the zone locations where walking over the boundary spawns new enemies

[manic wolf]

IE; its not

[unreal stirrup]

fuck it we ball

[manic wolf]

[sinful matrix]

Which is just a knowledge check from repeatedly playing havocs a bunch

[tender marten]

It's a challenge and it becomes exhausting.

[brittle sierra]

the problem for me is that Aurics Maels are too easy for me

but playing a Havoc 30 requires me to actually play roulette with the CPU

[sinful matrix]

but since the stimulation of havocs is exhausting to me, I've made no real progress

I only know where they are on uh

TRS-150 relay station or something?

and one of the other desert maps

[manic wolf]

Havoc really needs some TLC where its more about the shit that it pushes on you an less about building setups to minimise the impact of some of the bullshit modifiers

But I dont see that happening any time soon

[keen timber]

yeah idk spamming modifiers just feels kinda

idk

artifical difficulty

[unreal stirrup]

problem with havoc alway been the modifier

[manic wolf]

Shit.

[dim moth]

the "bullshit modifiers" in question being blight spreads and pus hardened skin

[manic wolf]

It feels shit.

[unreal stirrup]

I mean when they're in rotation it's fine

[near relic]

H40 is very fun with a good team. H40 can be exhausting with randoms.

[tender marten]

Tox gas + tox bomber waves on my havoc presently is decidedly unfun.

[unreal stirrup]

pox gas is like the worst modifier

[limber cradle]

Tox Gas is the single worst modifier in this fucking game

[tender marten]

Still not a fan of the term 'artificial difficulty' but yeah

[manic wolf]

Arb difficulty modifiers

[sinful matrix]

The big thing is that Darktide is limited in what it can do because of optimization

[tender marten]

It's just not engaging to wait out fart clouds.

[sinful matrix]

It's not quite as extreme as SM2 thankfully

[manic wolf]

SM2 has difficulty?

[sinful matrix]

Where SM2 just opts to only spawn crusher equivalents at a certain point

[zenith pagoda]

Exhausting in general tbh

[unreal stirrup]

wait out gas cloud
progress
more fart cloud

[manic wolf]

The rich aroma of Nurgle's asshole

[sinful matrix]

vaguely gestures at teleporting ranged units that deny you contested HP, armor, and cover

Chaos can suck my whole ass in SM2

Such an unfun faction design choice

[keen timber]

yeah

the rubrics are aids

at least they made the tzaangor shields not the hardest thigns in existence

[manic wolf]

They do feel like they don't really fit in the game they designed and were shoehorned in there for story reasons

[near mauve]

game is easaier than darktide but hard strategems can get cancer for all the wrong reasons

[tender marten]

• wait for map cloud to disappear
• take four steps forward
• bomber wave
• bomber clouds push you back into the same zone
• wait for map clouds again while also waiting for bombers to make themselves visible to be killed
• after five minutes finally advance one entire room

[keen timber]

imagine if like 5 of those dudes had been on cadia when abbadon crashed his ship into it.

fucking thouhg would've bounced off

[sinful matrix]

They just need to be melee focused instead of ranged

[dim moth]

five minutes is a generous estimate

[sinful matrix]

Getting 4 terminators at once is just fucking stupid

[near mauve]

they are?

[sinful matrix]

along with a million bolter marines

[near mauve]

they summon more chaos spawns than rubics now

[sinful matrix]

and a dreadnaught breathing up my asshole

[manic wolf]

I'm fine with them being ranged personally, but I dont think the faction fits. They should have just made it a 'nids game because the 'nid gameplay is very well designed

Kill the big ones, clear out some of the little ones type of thing

[near mauve]

and people got tilted by chaos spawns cause they actureally require u to engage with them beyond pressing parry/block button

[sinful matrix]

I'll admit I haven't played since cspawns were added

since before*

[zenith pagoda]

Some maps have entire sections completely filled, like you have to run for a whole real world minute to get out of it

[near mauve]

man everytime i read spicy sm2 takes its always based on outdated patches

[sinful matrix]

So I can't really speak to their implementation as a whole

[near mauve]

anyway chaos is in a better place now but only if u like chaos spawns

a lot of people loathe them

[sinful matrix]

Even if it is outdated, it's not wrong to say that Rubric marines do NOT fit in the game

[keen timber]

yeah tox gas is just simply unfun. there's difficulty there, sure, but it's not good difficulty

[near mauve]

rubics are fine the issue was them being spammed

now they aint spammed as much

[sinful matrix]

And are completely antithetical to every mechanic players have at their disposal

[manic wolf]

They're a lot more frantic than any of the other enemies, which is weird given half the game is about a chittering mass of alien bugs

I think thats why people struggle wit them

Their animations are also somewhat janky, which can make them harder to read

[limber cradle]

It feels like a patience check/coordination check.

Thats it.

Or a "do you own arb" check

[keen timber]

what makes arb better for it? The dog regen node?

[near mauve]

people struggle cause u can just parry farm 10000 nid warriors while spawns do big flashy attacks and attack at a much faster rate
u just gotta actually move while fighting them and not stay in 1 place
they also have way less hp than warriors and can get bursted HARD

[sinful matrix]

The only thing I've seen about cspawn is that you have to hit the parry button super late because all of their attacks are delayed long after the parry circle disappears

and if people struggle with that, that's just a fat skissue

[manic wolf]

Has a perk that nukes tox gas damage down to basically nothing

[bronze glade]

Eh no because it proactively will fuck you if you don’t deal with it

[keen timber]

oh fair enough

[tight musk]

Arbites have talent that massively reduces tox gas damage, you can just live in it.

[limber cradle]

Rebreather

[manic wolf]

Some people played mage in thier souls games playthroughs and it shows

[near mauve]

its more like, there's 3 variations with 3 different timings so if u get a blob of like 8 spawns coming at you it can get very dicy BUT nothing cant be solved with good movement

i do think they need to lower their dmg tho

they deal absurd dmg

[limber cradle]

Yeah but you also can't just hard blitz the levels ime. Maybe you can. I can't with the three randoms most of the time. I do agree that sitting there and waiting gets you fucked too tho.

[unreal stirrup]

what wrong with it

[keen timber]

doesnt teach u how to play

[unreal stirrup]

bro act like souls combat is deep lol

[supple delta]

RNGesus has blessed me today

[limber cradle]

Its infinitely deeper if you didn't spam great crystal arrow at everything

[drowsy relic]

DB Scum pretty good

[sinful matrix]

No different than getting a Whip, Dual Swords, and random shotgunner crawling up your ass on the nids, and all of em have different attack timings, and since the whip exists, it's probably best to just focus on dodging until you can split the whip away from the other two

[north meteor]

some people only play bleed tbf (its me, I'm him) and that's just as easy as mage

[limber cradle]

Grats

[unreal stirrup]

i mean it literally just reaction

[near mauve]

no very different actually
in practice its a lot harder to pull off than the warrior varients cause one of the spawns has elden ring ass delays

[limber cradle]

Sounds like someone who never had to learn spacing and sweetspots for weapons.

[near mauve]

and the other one has different rythym all together

[unreal stirrup]

but acting like souls series ever have indepth combat is kinda insane

[bronze glade]

It’s just finding the best way to get fucked less

[unreal stirrup]

i mean sekiro exist

my beloved

but it isn't souls

[north meteor]

I mean, this is also wrong. It very much gets in depth. Sekiro is the least skill based souls like from FromSoft

[supple delta]

What perks/blessings on infantry autogun?

[limber cradle]

DumDum+Deathspitter but some people prefer speedload to deathspitter

[north meteor]

and DS combat is pretty niche. Knowing how to counter certain builds can be pretty in depth

[limber cradle]

Ive seen fire frenzy over deathspitter too

[unreal stirrup]

yeah sweetspot for exactly just the scythe lol

[limber cradle]

And halberds. And hammers but that depends on the moveset.

[unreal stirrup]

you can do just fine on those

but missing sweetspot in scythe feel ass

[north meteor]

friedes scythe was so fun

[unreal stirrup]

i still think sekiro is like the best game out of miyazaki games

granted i haven't play bloodborne because piss4

[north meteor]

Its a great game for sure

DS3 is my personal favorite, but I loved Sekiro

[unreal stirrup]

also none of the souls game have a better "you're getting better" feeling like sekiro

[near relic]

To each their own. The pace of a good H40 is very appealing to me. The slog of a bad H40 is deeply frustrating. It's a gamble unless you're very confident in your teammates

[north meteor]

I mean Sekiro was purely reaction, and I already knew how to parry bc Im a katana main

[unreal stirrup]

parrying entire floating passage feel good

[limber cradle]

Yeah but thats the skillcheck

Can you parry?

If yes sekiro is easy

[near relic]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BloodbornePC/comments/1ldkml3/full_guide_how_to_play_bloodborne_on_pc_for_n00bs/

[limber cradle]

If no sekiro is hard

[unreal stirrup]

im just lazy tbh

[winter tusk]

vermintide 2 gifts of the wolf father recycle slop

[near relic]

Understandable

[unreal stirrup]

also i need to finish the game im playing

which is like 13 of them

[limber cradle]

Play a new game that could be interesting?

Nah, BG3 time.

[supple delta]

Perks on infantry autogun? Also forgot to ask about mark

[rustic zinc]

What's the base crit on Shivs? 10%?

[limber cradle]

I run Vraks/Flak/Unyielding

Vraks is like, the default go to IAG

[dim moth]

12.5

[rustic zinc]

Thanks!

[tight musk]

I finished Baldur's Gate 3 once and I didn't really like it that much.

[rustic zinc]

That's almost as hot a take as me not really liking Final Fantasy 7 back in the day...

[unreal stirrup]

more of the other mark being shit than vrak being good

especially agrippa

[unreal stirrup]

unc

[woeful hill]

bursters should have a kill override for each other

[limber cradle]

You run pickpocket on melee builds for scum?

[woeful hill]

yeah

[dim moth]

columnus and agri aren't that bad

[woeful hill]

its only 1 point for infinite ammo

[dim moth]

at the end of the day they still have infantry autogun crits lol

[limber cradle]

Its like at least 3 to path there

I dont run hypercrit by default tho

[tight musk]

I would like Baldur's Gate 3 more if the running speed was like 2-3 times faster.

It took me like 100 or so hours to beat it, and if you told me that 60 of those hours was just running from place to place, I'd believe you.

[final temple]

12.5

[woeful hill]

bottom of my tree most of the time

[limber cradle]

Alright, thank you.

[dim moth]

man why your shit so weird

weird ass

[final temple]

I see HV and HC together. This is heresy.

[limber cradle]

Cause Ainz is a weird mf

[tight musk]

No sample collector on chem dependency?

[woeful hill]

yes

[manic wolf]

That spread pains me

[woeful hill]

Dclaw propaganda

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-claws-runescape-oldschool-slice-dice-gif-15748311

dclaw

[unreal stirrup]

I mean rampage make everything remotely decent

[limber cradle]

Has crate

[final temple]

Why tho? I am willing to accept HC over HV. but no sample collector? It literally is free CDR

[woeful hill]

using crate

[unreal stirrup]

oh nvm im blind

[limber cradle]

Not ramp

[manic wolf]

You stop that heresy right now Mr

[unreal stirrup]

dclaw main when they need to have autonomy over boss dps

[random shuttle]

Waiting to get hit smh so slow, smh, Zealot Does it Better, hscum weakest class, glass cannon without the fanon, also 12 bucks per DLC, greedy fat fish, also Hashtag NoSkitarii

[winter tusk]

devils claw and heavy sword are fine for anything non carapace generally

been that way for a while

[dim moth]

chord too

[final temple]

Listen. We gotta address one transgression after another.

[neon fern]

i'm p sure u can deal significant dmg if not os a crusher with the parry

[dim moth]

out of the 3 "kills everything but carapace" weapons dclaw has the best carapace damage tho

that thing can like

[unreal stirrup]

crusher is so fucking annoying on dclaw lol

[manic wolf]

To the conversion chambers with you

[dim moth]

feasibly kill a crusher pack in a slow but on the reasoanble side timeframe

[vast wigeon]

on no planet does the reactive option beat a pro-active option in darktide

[dim moth]

it's just hard

because you have to parry xd

[unreal stirrup]

isn't fast enough in havoc

[keen timber]

pressed button too early ur cooked

[neon fern]

still kills

idk

[dim moth]

yeah good thing literally every class with the dclaw except for psyker can get around it huh?

[manic wolf]

Story of my life

[neon fern]

u just pressed a different button

[vast wigeon]

i dont care abou the one crusher, it never is about the one crusher

[dim moth]

scum just blow them up with a rocket, or needle pistol them lmao

[unreal stirrup]

what zealot have

[dim moth]

vetewran just krak grenade them or use the helbore lmao

[unreal stirrup]

💀

[dim moth]

zealot just press fury of the faithful and two shot them lmao

[limber cradle]

Needler is honestly such a stupid weapon

[manic wolf]

An alcohol habit

[unreal stirrup]

yeah fotf to two shot one of them

[final temple]

MUM. THE PURITAN BRO SAYS IT AINT MY FAMICOM TIME

[vast wigeon]

if ever there was a more best in slot weapon

[dim moth]

are you somehow trying to imply that fury of the faithful's cooldown is too long to feasibly do this to all of them

[woeful hill]

funny flip

[vast wigeon]

not even best in slot, so much as "everything else you bring because youre bored of hte needlepistol"

[keen timber]

It’s not best in slot because ranged setups and that’s about it

[dim moth]

especially considering the dclaw has the crit to run crit cdr

[unreal stirrup]

yes

[dim moth]

then you're an idiot

[vast wigeon]

no its best in slot

[dim moth]

just full stop

fury cooldown isn't real

[vast wigeon]

oh no i need to kill chaff, just switch modes

oh no crushers, just switch modes

[manic wolf]

Also its highly unsatisfying to play

[vast wigeon]

whoa no ones saying its unsatisfying

[ornate sorrel]

something something opinions buttholes

[manic wolf]

"click" > wait for enemy to fall over

[vast wigeon]

but it is so mountains above frankly alot of things in the game

[final temple]

excuse me

https://tenor.com/view/anticipation-rocky-horror-picture-show-rhps-rocky-horror-tim-curry-gif-4424318

[winter tusk]

all i know is devils claw and heavy sword are probably never getting buffed now because scum makes them broken

[tight musk]

I like shooting a special and hearing it die when I turn away.

[manic wolf]

Brother, I'm going to play the thing that makes enemies fucking explode with a loud bang and watch guts paint the wall

[dim moth]

They already shined on vet as a sidearm I don't see how this would get them nerfed xd

[unreal stirrup]

I don't think hsword is that good on scum

[dim moth]

Especially given the community perception around them

[final temple]

so rude ~~ ❤️

[keen timber]

I don’t like the claw tbh

Parry bangs

[winter tusk]

heavy sword can 1shot crushers with set up

[rustic zinc]

HSword generates some ridiculous UltraViolence value tbh. Just one-shot things one after another.

[manic wolf]

Sorry, Sister

[keen timber]

Everything else feels kinda bad

[dim moth]

yeah

[final temple]

… even ruder xD

[unreal stirrup]

I mean yeah if your melee frontline isnt filled with uh

[winter tusk]

the fact that scum makes things much more viable is bad for the state of the game overall

[charred bronze]

which set up?

[unreal stirrup]

crusher spam

[dim moth]

and even if you can't get around the carapace weakness good thing you have three other teammates right?

who will surely contribute a fair amount of damage

[unreal stirrup]

💀

[winter tusk]

rampage adrenaline with stacks of headtaker or something

[unreal stirrup]

3 other teammate

[vast wigeon]

when the only thing the needlepistol sucks at is... enemies with force shields, thats pretty much 97% of the game

[final temple]

how dare there be variance!

[dim moth]

And thus you can go back to doing what the dclaw is good at

[manic wolf]

Well if you're going to walk into it like that 😄

[charred bronze]

what're you doing with it? Push Attack?

[random shuttle]

Well

[dim moth]

the class having a talent tree that highlights usually off-meta weapons is a bad thing? what?

[random shuttle]

Fortunately we all know what's the next class going to be

it leaked already

[final temple]

when did a melee scum NOT walk into a blender like that with a ‘just dodge’ attitude?

[dim moth]

yeah well I didn't see it so NO SPOILERS

Or actually yes spoilers

[winter tusk]

yes because now you're buttonholed into those builds to make them not shit

[dim moth]

maybe spoilers

[rustic zinc]

Yeah that's definitely where HSword is weaker. I mean you still have Rocket and Needle for that, but eventually you run out of Rockets or space to infinitely shoot needles.

[winter tusk]

just like how you're forced to take fury of the faithful to make alot of weapons not dogshit

[random shuttle]

It's ||Necron Flayed One named Steve||

[dim moth]

...I was using heavy sword on my veteran when havoc first dropped

[manic wolf]

Its not an Ork

And I am upset about it

[dim moth]

because I play helbore exe stance

[winter tusk]

beating crushers down with 9 heavy attacks isnt good

[unreal stirrup]

rocket isn't infinite and toxin still take time to kill them

[winter tusk]

just because you can do it

[keen timber]

ayo dm me, hook me up

actually curious

[unreal stirrup]

h40 crushers take 2 rocket to kill but usually 1 put them all on the ground anyway

[final temple]

my brother in tide, explain to me in what world you balance weapons independently from classes. is there such a thing as the ideal no class player?

[zealous ravine]

ships leaking? we're gonna drown.......

[unreal stirrup]

which you can clean up if you're not using hsword

[winter tusk]

heavysword and devils claw wont get any buffs because scum breaks them

[random shuttle]

Okay okay

you got me

[winter tusk]

they'll never be improved for any other classes or builds unless you're taking fury opf the faithful

[dim moth]

exe vet has broken the helbore since forevrer didn't stop that from getting buffed

[zealous ravine]

dclaw forced to forever be meh

[random shuttle]

next class is the Friends we made along the way

[rustic zinc]

Didn't HSword special attacks used to stagger Crusher on weakspot hit? I feel like I haven't managed to make that happen on Scum so far :/

[random shuttle]

[dim moth]

scrier's gaze keeps getting buffed too regardless of how it breaks shit

[winter tusk]

nobody thinks the helbore is a broken weapon

[dim moth]

do people think the hsword and dclaw are broken?

[vast wigeon]

helbore used to be broken

[winter tusk]

scriers gaze is also bad for the state of the game

[dim moth]

because that would sure be news to me

[vast wigeon]

then they made it aight

[manic wolf]

Yesnt, the bayonet did

[keen timber]

i think scriers having as much ability description as some other classes have on all three abiltiies combined is pog and fine

[winter tusk]

scriers gaze is also overtuned but people glaze over that

[unreal stirrup]

mid tbh

[vast wigeon]

the bayonet AS used to be like double the attack speed it currently is and no matter where you stabbed it was a headshot

[rustic zinc]

Remember a weapon called the Antax Combat Axe? Yeah me neither. >.>

[zealous ravine]

can we nerf hsword to 0 carapace adm

[winter tusk]

the entire state of the game needs a rebalance, if powercreep wasn't so out of hand and fucked up balance wise they wouldn't have had to buff carapace to keep them from being trivalized

[unreal stirrup]

yeah it like you have any reason at all to use it over rashad

[torn ember]

Power creep isn't even the issue, the Duelling Sword has been here since day 1

[winter tusk]

ok

[unreal stirrup]

duelling sword isn't that good but ok

[manic wolf]

Instructions unclear, Ogryn Powermaul now one shots Carapace enemies

[vast wigeon]

buff carapace and give vet more accessible infinite kraknades in the same patch was kinda bizarre

[rustic zinc]

Once every year, sadly.

[winter tusk]

duelling sword is 1 aspect of power creep that is now powercrept out

[hazy vector]

powercreep only felt on havoc, which is not real difficulty anyway

[winter tusk]

literally the point

[zealous ravine]

happens

[dim moth]

uh I don't think anybody really uses the dueling sword just for its damage

because it's kinda not the best single target weapon on any class that has it

[unreal stirrup]

duelling sword is good but how good it is is blown out of fucking proportion

[manic wolf]

Also its a movement stick

[dim moth]

they use it because it's the best single target weapon that has the broken dodge profile

[hazy vector]

it used to be, opinion inertia is a thing

[winter tusk]

duelling sword is literally powercrept out now because theres way more tools that do similar or better damage and are more utility

[dim moth]

no?

[unreal stirrup]

people calling me insane for saying it's not meta for any of the class it is on

[vast wigeon]

the reason people can be invincible on HS is the "big ass dodges" talent

[unreal stirrup]

lmao

[dim moth]

Deimos Force Sword, Power Sword, and Eviscerators?

[vast wigeon]

the precursor being duelling sword

[hazy vector]

??? it used to be the best weapon in the game, on par with power sword

[dim moth]

not even fucking close dude

[unreal stirrup]

no?

[hazy vector]

evis????????

[dim moth]

old dueling sword was nothing compared to power sword and it's still nothing compared to power sword

[hazy vector]

evis b een shit for a long time

[manic wolf]

Nah, the reason people can be invincible on Scum is because they're playing GunScum

[dim moth]

power sword being the way it is right now is not a recent development

[winter tusk]

no duelling sword was better than power sword

[dim moth]

It has been this way

[winter tusk]

powersword still took two stabs

at least theres that

[unreal stirrup]

duelling sword is like only good on purge/trauma psyker

[hazy vector]

i actually like DS now more, i am big fun of parrying mechanics

[unreal stirrup]

on literally any other situation it not that good

[hazy vector]

So i always tank bosses when i have ds

[rough sun]

actually original hive scum name right here

[winter tusk]

its probably not as braindead now since it actually takes a microscopic amount of timing, but when the special was just a stunlock it was completely brainless

pretty inarguably one of the best weapons at the time

[dim moth]

the parry is better than the old stun was :/

[winter tusk]

sure it may do more damage

[dim moth]

it's just not as braindead

[winter tusk]

exactly

the old stun was better because of that

[dim moth]

and I sure hope I don't have to inform you of this

but ease of use does not equal effectiveness

[winter tusk]

it does in this case

[manic wolf]

It kinda does in a lot of cases

[dim moth]

okay so I did have to inform you of that

good to know

[winter tusk]

old stun literally allowed you to cc crushers from a distance without risking basically anything

its okay that you're wrong

[dim moth]

yeah and now you do the literal exact same thing but you have a parry as insurance incase you fuck up your positioning

[manic wolf]

Not quite so simple in this game, but in most games, the "meta" is something extremely easy to use

[dim moth]

whoopdey doo

[winter tusk]

its worse

[dim moth]

it's harder not worse

[winter tusk]

the parry doesnt add 5 feet to the length of your arms