hivescum-class

[astral sundial]

I've mine set to one of my two sidebuttons on the mouse now, lul. Works like a charm.

[broken bear]

Walk towards them menacingly

[dim moth]

use freak shit and whack crap I am begging you

[astral sundial]

I always struggled with the slide thing while carrying a battery

[broken bear]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-walking-up-wall-gif-21622879

[astral sundial]

now it works SO easily

[winter tusk]

I cant have other buttons on thumb because I use special attacks too often

[novel oracle]

I am nuking rooms multiple times per second with Excalibur

[astral sundial]

I have two sidebuttons. One is my special, the other is slide now ^^

[dim moth]

I play equinox :)

[winter tusk]

Right but sometimes you need boooth

[grand jewel]

I normally play jade, I think its funny im playing uriel this much

polar opposite

[astral sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-slide-little-girls-gif-14831120

Time to slide into another mission

[weary pebble]

Love Half Sword

[novel oracle]

Ive been swapping between the two most this update

[grand jewel]

Jade is just so nice

[novel oracle]

1 is i want to win fast
2 is haha funny aoe oh its over

[novel oracle]

So overpowered

[limber cradle]

I cant think of any state warframe was in where you couldn't just nuke the entire map when you had a good build

[novel oracle]

Nourish on her 1 for viral on glory
Weapon damage on 2
Armor strip on 3
Heat and ennervate on glory 4

[dim moth]

very early days when Loki was meta because CC was meta

[novel oracle]

And the game just cant handle it

[dim moth]

void towers

[weary pebble]

Warframe is about being OP. If you don't end up OP you're doing it wrong.

[limber cradle]

Even then Mag existed and you could turbo nuke stuff with her

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/a10warthog-plane-brr-gif-27117334

[limber cradle]

Volt would trivialize the hell out of mission too

[grand jewel]

the gameplay:

[novel oracle]

As of this update im killing acolytes in seconds with my operator only

On zenurik

[dim moth]

But I want to use weird things :/

[weary pebble]

Sometimes wrong is fun

[dim moth]

Like one of my favorite guns is the Quellor

And my favorite pistol is the Cyanex

[weary pebble]

Cyanex is fun. Don't think I've used Quellor

[novel oracle]

I would like guns more in warframe but all of them feel like poopoo in terms of gunplay

It was never good at that

[grand jewel]

LMG with the big charge up laser alt fire

its aight

[limber cradle]

I used Dread, Kunai, and Nikana for a very long time tbh

[limber cradle]

Boltor is/was one of the only guns I liked

[amber lotus]

Anybody else having issues with slides not sliding since the update?

[dim moth]

Quellor is neat because it has one of the highest status chances of any automatic primary :)

[novel oracle]

If i using a gun then Id rather that gun just be fucking busted cuz theres not one im gonna find fun enough to use to justify giving up the power

[grand jewel]

furis I got recently (in warframe terms, so just near the end of the last time i played) and got its incarnon and man that gun is dumb

[weary pebble]

My favorite frames are Caliban, Styanax, and Citrine.

[grand jewel]

click on level 2k enemies, heat proc overkills by a few thousand percent of their HP

[limber cradle]

Soma Prime meta felt awful

[grand jewel]

[limber cradle]

That gun has no feeling at all

[grand jewel]

torid:

[novel oracle]

My weapon rotation includes torid, strun, laetum, and nukor
Not melees cuz they kinda suck poopoo unless youre really leaning into them and I rarely am

[grand jewel]

there is a reason mine is called Zip Code Deleter

I like harmony, for melees on Kullervo

[novel oracle]

The combo is either torid for aoe and laetum for dps or strun for dps and nukor for aoe

[dim moth]

regular torid is a neat gun but I've heard the incarnon makes it very braindead overpowered which put me off from using it

[grand jewel]

mostly because hitting the integer limit quickly is funny

and it makes the stat whores in the match upset when they can't move off 0-1% of the total damage

[novel oracle]

Direct hits charge it
And it becomes a pretty decent crit chain beam

[dim moth]

oh gross it just makes it a boring chain primary

even worse

I expected it to be character assassination of the weapon but not like that 💀

[rotund agate]

what game are you guys talking about?

[grand jewel]

warframe

my game crashed twice in 5 minutes ill go do something else

no funny

https://tenor.com/view/burn-elmo-pyro-burn-it-down-ashes-gif-5632946

@novel oraclewhat colours do you use on uriel for energy?

been trying to find ones that aren't awful other than mild red

[novel oracle]

You think I fashionframe?

Half of the builds I actually use are still default

[grand jewel]

I wouldn't know

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-binh-gif-6142726653922245520

[novel oracle]

Im ass at it anyway

I couldn't fashion if my life depended on it

[lilac ermine]

I like how hive scum is glass cannon

[grand jewel]

is it though

[lilac ermine]

It makes all the bad ppl not like it since they die so easy

[vernal sluice]

Anyone here tried running the combat shotgun on a desperado scum build? How's it like

[cedar cairn]

Reloads too slow

[clever wren]

Shotgun with detachable box magazine when

(ripper gun doesn't count)

[radiant swift]

the enemy shotgunners have them iirc

[astral canyon]

Is the mk4 or mk12 better for the chaxe?

[radiant swift]

i'd recommend the mk12 over the mk4

[icy scaffold]

Probably better on a stimm supply build, just take pickpocket of course

[dim moth]

Mk4 has better single target but has capped cleave damage so I would use the other one

Should try the 4 tho it has a fun moveset

[astral canyon]

Ye i liked the heavy sweeps

[tight musk]

Pretty sure light attacks on Mk4 stagger anything smaller than an ogryn. Haven't used a chainaxe in a while tho, so I might be wrong.

[novel oracle]

However

However however however

Hyper violence does not care

Ive killed like 12 horde enemies in one swing cuz hyperviolence is still a flat number added to the hit even if the damage of said hit is 0

And since you have like a bazillion power and cleave with rampage, headtaker, and slaughterer, and maybe a cleave node, it can do that with a lotta shit

[dim moth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1047636183896834202/1086290072078389268/freeze-2.gif

[tight musk]

I want to try combat axe on scum, but I feel like I'm a bit weird cause I want to use Achlys, the Mk VIII axe.

I've seen people say it's the worst one, but I found Rashad to be kinda boring to use when I played Zealot with combat axe some time ago.

[bronze glade]

lol you can bypass cleave cap with hyperv?

[dim moth]

I guess it makes sense

hyper violence is flat damage unaffected by modifiers

so

[novel oracle]

Yup

Not the most elegant solution but it does significantly help speed up extended horde clear

So instead of 2-4 targets per swing every time
It'll go like 2 4 4 9 7 10 8

[bronze glade]

I’m not a fan of the moveset but maybe I’ll try Mk 4 again

[dire badge]

I'm scumming on my hive til I urrrrrrr

[astral canyon]

What perks for chaxe then?

[rancid coral]

Rampage is fun

[astral canyon]

Who up ramping they age

[zenith pagoda]

What needle pistol doesn't everyone use? MK6 applies more stacks on weakspot and crit, but I only use MK2 for the better synergy with sample collector

[alpine hazel]

i had a dream last night where hive scum could rocket jump on clandestium gloriana and i was visibly awed when i saw it

[broken moss]

barrels make dreams come true

[toxic dagger]

I gotta try this

[exotic temple]

The only use case I could think of for the mk6 is if you don’t want to lose kills to toxin stacks. In that case you might as well grab a bolt pistol

[plucky nymph]

Whats a scum specific weapon that can compete for stupid horde clear like mk4 d claw on h40 (literally 4-5 swings and the most dense packs die)

I want to use cleaver but its cleave sux

Crowbar just moves enemies around

Shivs take 20 min for those packs

😩

[echo python]

Try Chainsword

[leaden fable]

Based on what Cole was saying hv might make crowbar better at horde clear but unsure if it has the raw damage to support that

Mk3 shiv seemed to have decent horde clear heavies, I've only run it a couple times though because I'm brainrotted from mk1 shivs

[lapis raft]

have you tried mk3 shivs as well?

[plucky nymph]

Yea they didnt come close to mk 4 dclaw

Like the most massively dense h40 trash horde pack literally gets deleted by the time I get my 5th stack of shred

Was lookin for something like that xD just tired of dclaw

[amber sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/834437126203768852/1039335762941984820/1CFC6F34-BB31-40F6-AA72-DE250F097A90.gif

[toxic dagger]

@novel oracle do you just jam the chaxe into your crowbar melee build or what

[lilac schooner]

heavy sword but you got the same problem as dclaw no armor damage

[winter tusk]

Heavy sword can actually 1shot crushers on scum

Takes some set up

[high gull]

Propaganda til video proof has been sufficiently provided.

[winter tusk]

Cole has it

[spice mural]

Yeah but that means running the heavy sword.

[thorny ginkgo]

vraks auto gun with desperado is good?

[spice mural]

Admittedly I’m a bonesaw stan. It’s my favorite HS weapon.

[limber cradle]

Extremely, maybe the best choice for it.

[spice mural]

I think the auto pistols are probably better.

[thorny ginkgo]

it’s the infantry one right?

[limber cradle]

Yes

[broken moss]

bone saw is amazing

[dim moth]

yeah

imgine the dual autopistols but can run 2 damage blessings, and you can AIM

[broken moss]

people just wanna lmb spam and see big crit #s between naps

[spice mural]

I see a lot of builds praise the shivs but I like the bonesaw/needle gun.

[limber cradle]

Yeah vraks doesn't even need speedloader

You can run dum dum deathspitter

[thorny ginkgo]

sounds great, i played with a guy using it last night and he was going crazy

[spice mural]

Shout to hive scum, first time I’ve ever loved a DoT build.

Poisoning everything is more fun than I expected.

[thorny ginkgo]

i’m going to assume the dump stat is mobility

[limber cradle]

Yes

[ancient basin]

holy fuck the the matches today are extremely low quality

gonna go play something else until it gets itself together

[lavish forge]

Any shooty shooty bang bang is good with scummy

[final temple]

I grinded the SHIT out of that back in the day. it was a noticable gain in power and versatility

[fallen arrow]

What do people like to take on Tac Axe?

[radiant swift]

blessing wise? headtaker + brutal momentum

[fallen arrow]

Gotcha gotcha, thank ya

[broken moss]

been feeling like this for 2 weeks. and for whatever reason, more so the last week

[limber cradle]

I used to be vehemently opposed to open world stuff and now I just kinda don't like it.

[woeful hill]

Mobility dump. mk4 is light spam. mk7 is the perfered for most with its PA into Heavy for everything but carapace which is light attack. Perks can be Flak/Cara/Unyield/Maniac. just whatever you want to kill faster (I use flak unyield). Blessings. Headtaker + BM/Shred (Bm would make for faster horde but shred helps with cara and unyield damage, Taxe is a finesse weapon and gets its main damage to cara from crits) Decimater is an honerable mention but overall a worse headtaker with its terrible uptime and time to get max stacks

https://tenor.com/view/imostergolfra-gif-25274972

[rough peak]

remember when we used to be able to get more than 1 decimator stack per swing?

[woeful hill]

Should that be my bio?

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-monkey-gif-17161736773310556283

[final temple]

most open world stuff really was just a continuous mission to grind again and again. I lost interest shortly before 1999

[broken moss]

mtx farm slop is like this.

open world "done right" is amazing

it's just that you rarely see it

[spice mural]

Is the water cartel the first one in the list? I forget.

[limber cradle]

I have no idea

I think they're 3rd or 4th

[rough peak]

I picked the water cartel >.>'

[spice mural]

I picked The Show. The cartel that controls all the sin and vice? Sign me up.

[rough peak]

I can't remember why I picked the water cartel

[tender marten]

they dont control it, they just enjoy it

[astral canyon]

Water cartel is first

[final temple]

Tread Lightlies. Temu Orlok represent

[astral canyon]

I picked it cause i like ourple

[rough peak]

Heh

[woeful hill]

its the only cartel talked about by the rejects

iirc

[tender marten]

i picked it because i enjoy being hydrated and not dead

[limber cradle]

Water Cartel gets the most coverage in game in general

[woeful hill]

and they are in the underhive map areas

the symbols

[limber cradle]

They've been mentioned since day one

[woeful hill]

like silo cluster

[limber cradle]

I picked them cause of the coverage and because I simply like water tbh

[rough peak]

I know I looked at all the different options like 3 or 4 times before I picked

[limber cradle]

Like do you understand how much of a luxury fresh, clean water is in a lower hive?

[final temple]

I first picked water cartel but switched to TL

[rough peak]

Yeah

[fallen arrow]

Is Agile ever worth taking or no?

[woeful hill]

no

[vast wigeon]

most appealing color scheme tbhq

[woeful hill]

teaches bad habits, is a minial damage increase, and is on a weapon that doesnt struggle with dodges

probably worst blessing on it imo

[fallen arrow]

Gotcha

[final temple]

that was what made me switch. didnt want to run cosmetics of another gang than

[limber cradle]

Fwiw I do like The Show's scheme about as much as Water Cartel

[vast wigeon]

the show is gaudy

which is fine

[limber cradle]

I just like green and gold tbh

[leaden fable]

I just remembered someone pointing out zola complaining about the water cartel and thought it'd be funny to be part of the problem

[vast wigeon]

but looks ridiculous with the murdercrackhobo look of scum gear

[spice mural]

Not gaudy enough even though their blurb says they’re the most flamboyant.

[vast wigeon]

people pick water cartel because theyve heard of it

[limber cradle]

Also true

I like standing infront of Zola and that space cop with my WC drip

[vast wigeon]

by the corollary people would pick "the second hive city" since they heard of it

[signal nebula]

Tread Lightly gang rise UP

We rule Tertium

[spice mural]

I also double checked, the water cartel is last on the list.

[ancient basin]

I picked tread lightlies because the colour scheme was good, blue with black and yellow stripes has a good contrast to all the greens, greys, and browns

[vast wigeon]

house escher and the tummy gang ww@

[vast vapor]

So no more cosmetics like arbites. Understand arbites but why hive scum?

[signal nebula]

Early days, give it time

[limber cradle]

We don't know

[ancient basin]

purple, red, and green get lost in the noise

[vast wigeon]

hive scum is brand new, arbites is burdened by remarkably rigid aesthetic guidelines

[ancient basin]

I do like the gold from the show, put the fabric embroidery kills it for me, to many pattern clashes

[main trellis]

I picked water cartel cause i come from the sewers

[final temple]

I see danger stripes, I smile.

[vast wigeon]

think of how remarkably consistent primaris marines are, you can spot AI from a mile away

[signal nebula]

I'M A GIVER, YOU LOT LOOK LIKE TAKERS

[dim moth]

the same cartel that was behind the illicit contaminated stimm trade?

I see

[spice mural]

Making it clash and look gaudy might be intentional.

[brittle sierra]

is HV redundant on shivs? 🤔

[vast wigeon]

the way they look, the way the bolter sounds (iirc starting with rogue trader), apply that to arbys and theres just no chance

[vast wigeon]

definitely not

[final temple]

no

[vast wigeon]

its probably best in slot

[ancient basin]

I mean yeah, tracks lore wise for sure

[spice mural]

Indeed.

[brittle sierra]

what about sweat spot?

[main trellis]

HV overall is soo busted

[final temple]

Sweaty sweet spot is not as important as HV

[main trellis]

Solid; combine both & slay

[brittle sierra]

i cant

one or the other

[vast wigeon]

yeah lets take all the shortcomings of knife and just make them go away on dodge

[main trellis]

Build?

[dim moth]

hyper violence is THE talent of all time

[brittle sierra]

yes build is restricting me

[main trellis]

Your previous choices could yes

[brittle sierra]

its the shimm chem build

points are stretched thin

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/stingy-dont-wanna-share-mickey-mouse-piece-of-the-pie-donald-duck-gif-15479558

[vast wigeon]

sweet spot is very good though

any arbys player will tell you, its another "damage bucket" with a large flat modifier

[tight musk]

Love it when I change nothing in my settings yet the game decides that today it's gonna drop frames faster than random scum teammates drop to the floor.

[vast wigeon]

that and alot of weapons scum has just magically hit heads

[main trellis]

Sounds like a hardware issue

[vast wigeon]

iirc the only weapon that got a severe wkspot window nerf was the bayonet, otherwise you can flail wildly on scum weapons and hit heads

[reef skiff]

water cartel rule the other cartels drool

[modest patio]

Isn’t water cartel the one that’s selected by default?

[main trellis]

Not surprised

[dim moth]

well yes, but they're also the one we have more personal relation to

Zola was former water cartel

And the water cartel has been physically present in missions (as corpses)

[main trellis]

Nah; its the one Zola was from & one that got fked by admonition in the torrent

[dim moth]

you can also see water cartel poxwalkers

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[vast vapor]

How many played arbites

[spice mural]

It’s bottom of the list.

So I don’t think so.

[main trellis]

I love RE4 trader
Take 25 toughness and not blessed stimms; your ability already clears corruption
Don’t combine HC with HV; they don’t work together well
If you use chemnades grab +1 blitz instead of the one that gives stacks on explosion - better value
Drop jittery & you have yourself 25% weakspot dmg talent
There; better

[odd jetty]

Holy crap the dclaw is just absolute dogshit.

[main trellis]

On HS?

[odd jetty]

in general. I was trying to max out all the weapons and I am missing the dclaw and heavy sword so I was trying to use them and they are just so bad

[vast wigeon]

based

it has its fans but theyre all mentally ill so it doesnt matter

[bronze glade]

Mk VII is aight

[spice mural]

I’ve been doing the same. I only use it in low difficulty stuff.

[main trellis]

Try it on HS

[vast wigeon]

heavy sword

[tight musk]

Heavy sword is only bad against crushers.

Most other things die in 1 heavy attack.

[vast wigeon]

because hivescum didnt suck at carapce enough

[spice mural]

Grinding the 100 mission penance specifically meant a lot of time in uprising to be done as quickly as possible. So I was using the bad weapons since it doesn’t matter what you use in uprising.

[vast wigeon]

yes i know the needle pistol exists, dont @ me

[main trellis]

But… needle pistol @vast wigeon

[vast wigeon]

you got me bruva

oh look a boss

break out the catheter

[odd jetty]

I was hoping that with desperado and pickpocket I could level them finally but holy crap they are so hard to use because they just suck so much

[vast wigeon]

oh look a pack of ragers

HOW ABOUT LIQUEFIED AIDS

[vast wigeon]

unironically if you dont want to level it, just dont miss any events

spend all your resources on dclaws and upgrade them to green

sacrifice them

and buy green/blu dclaws when available

there, you never have to use that handheld dogshit

[main trellis]

Green & grey only; blue costs too much vs greys

[vast wigeon]

literally the only way they can redeem it is in the hands of the catachad devils

[main trellis]

You lose coins buing blues

[vast wigeon]

where they wield Dclaws like a dagger

and have them soaked in catachan devil toxin

in marbo we trust

[main trellis]

I used mk1 on HS and its soo stupid to do up to +1k dmg to carapace

[vast wigeon]

revise the wishlist

[dim moth]

Mk VII dclaw is surprisingly adequate on zealot/veteran

Not good

but they can make it work that's for sure

[main trellis]

4 too; good moveset

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-paw-annoyed-hiss-gif-16279788301067456967

[main trellis]

4 is my go to for them

[vast wigeon]

top 4 most likely classes: catachan auxiliary, 2)stormtrooper 3) pilgrim sister 4) admech bottom rung dude

[brittle sierra]

HV and HC do work well together because they both are used for different enemies

[signal nebula]

4 is my claw

[vast wigeon]

5. ||kroot merc||

[brittle sierra]

everything else you said I'm pretty sure I already fixed on the build maybe you need to refresh it? 🤔

[main trellis]

HC works againts HV effectiveness but not the other way around; drop HC & you’ll see
HC shaves off maybe 1 attack for maulers & mutants thats it; if it would work on ogryns it would be very good but it does not so its poopoo

[brittle sierra]

HV is for hordes, HC is for elites

I dont see the problem

[candid flare]

Finally unlocked auric on scum this morning

[brittle sierra]

also I might be coping, but what if I drop uncanny for flesh? 🤔

I dont have much raw damage anyways

[dim moth]

I have done this :)

[signal nebula]

Don't

[dim moth]

bleed is regularly 20-25% of my DoT damage in a game

[main trellis]

While you clear hordes you build HV for elites + you crit alot for more dmg + you build bleed/toxins; you don’t need instadeath that makes HV worse

[dim moth]

toxin obv being the other 75%

[signal nebula]

Steep DPS drop off vs targets that matter

[tight musk]

Hyper-critical is, imo, just something you take on a ranged build so if you ever need to melee, your melee doesn't completely suck.

On a melee build I just don't see any reason to take it, it's just gonna make hyper-violence less effective.

[dim moth]

it is a DPS loss overall compoared to other options, but it means certain annoying enemies take less hits to die to DoT

like ragers and bulwarks

[brittle sierra]

does toxin increase damage from rending?

[dim moth]

barely

Toxin's lowest ADM is 0.9

[signal nebula]

Negative

The issue they wanted to avoid with toxin was it scaling with rending, like the other dots, hence toxin design

[brittle sierra]

I could always just use my bolt pistol for bosses anyways

[signal nebula]

Use shivs

[dim moth]

stab them???

[brittle sierra]

yes I use shivs but Im tlaking about dumping bleed

[signal nebula]

Blend through bosses

Just shoot 6 times with needle pistol, switch to shivs and kill. Throw dagger every 3 seconds to re up toxin. Boss dead

The perks on your melee will affect tox dot when you switch

[main trellis]

Toxins should be enough for ya to deal with cara; bleed is great cause you crit alot

[low harbor]

first 2 unlikely

[brittle sierra]

@low harbor should I drop HC since flash bangs dont replenish? 😔

[tight musk]

I feel like scum has so much DPS on a shiv build that bleed won't really do much most of the time, except maybe when you're fighting a boss.

[low harbor]

3rd also unlikely tbh

[vast wigeon]

i mean, we got the arbites, and thats straight up an output of the schola, on the level of a freaking comissar

[low harbor]

u cope

[brittle sierra]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[vast wigeon]

the bar is pretty high, and while i will admit hivescum sets the "power level" quite low

that means we can get everything inbetween

[low harbor]

I'm pretty sure vet right side is based around catachan commandos so

[vast wigeon]

regardless, i still think the Dclaw is a very strange weapon

[haughty badger]

does anyone know how unload works with the combat shotgun? the one that grants ranged damage on reload and for each 10% of magazine spent afterward. it doesnt show any number of stacks so I dont know if the damage stacks reset every time I reload or if the stacks remain

[low harbor]

and stormtrooper wouldn't differ much from what vet already is

they alrdy have scion armor cosmetic in the game, unfinished

[vast wigeon]

if we're working off of tabletop and game rulesets

thats kinda not true

[loud herald]

wait are there actually stormtroopers in 40k lol

in name anyway

[low harbor]

tempestus scions = stormtroopers

[vast wigeon]

for copyright reasons theyre called tempestus

[loud herald]

oh

[vast wigeon]

aka stormy

[loud herald]

I see lol

[vast wigeon]

troopers

[loud herald]

lemme have a google rq

[low harbor]

vet already does most of the same things (with more insane feats lol) and has scion helmet (alrdy released) and an unreleased scion torso armor (unfinished)

[vast wigeon]

my point is theres a bunch of weapons people want implemented

[loud herald]

ok yeah those are legally distinct stormtroopers

[vast wigeon]

melta gun, hotshot/helgun, plasma pistol, inferno pistol

[low harbor]

they can all be added to existing classes

without having to be new classes

[vast wigeon]

that and stormtroopers are fully clad in carapace armor

[loud herald]

can I ask you guys something

that isn't what I just asked to ask

[vast wigeon]

youre acting like people wouldnt pay for a big ass lasgun

[haughty badger]

bumping my question

[vast wigeon]

why combat when you can double barrel

[hearty night]

Rampage?

[haughty badger]

because combat shotgun is nice

[vast wigeon]

reloading should give you 2%, and one of your 2 barrels = 10% damage

or 2*50%

well, 2 * 10%, 5 times

[haughty badger]

not the double barrel

[vast wigeon]

well assuming your combat shotgun has about 10 rounds

[low harbor]

they prob would, and this doesn't take away the fact that these weapons can all be added to existing classes

[vast wigeon]

each bullet is going to be a spicy 2% more

[haughty badger]

yes but what happens when I reload?

[vast wigeon]

its a well known fact people like the outcast engineer

[haughty badger]

if I reload one shell, does it reset the buff?

[vast wigeon]

i interpreted it as reset

[tight musk]

Your magazine fills up.

[vast wigeon]

oh i see, well on the basis that the reload "starts" and "stops" at the start and at the finish

it should work unexcitingly

an unbroken reload is still one long reload

so any weird shenanigans will work accordingly for the stub revolver

and ofc i make the distinction that you may be asking if abunch of singular reloads may or maynot work strangely like arbys in a gas cloud

[haughty badger]

yeah, if I only reload to full from empty I assume it's standard operations, but if I reload one shell at 6, is each "10% ammo spent" based on my 7 shells or my 10ish capacity?

[vast wigeon]

where the constant damage = a zillion attack speed

[dim moth]

magazine based works on the assumption of a fully loaded gun

if you do not fully reload the gun you will get less of a benefit

Oh also partially reloading one shell or one bullet counts as a reload when you end the animation

even if the gun is not fully loaded

[haughty badger]

and if I reload, we know that the buff resets? (otherwise it'd be a constant 12% damage )

the buff doesnt show numbers for stacks which is annoying

[loud herald]

chat do I spend 50k ordo dockets to just make my veteran min height

oh wait

that's free

nvm

[vast wigeon]

nough

[haughty badger]

short queen (or king )

[vast wigeon]

why would you do that

[loud herald]

because small angry guardsman is funnier

[main trellis]

Cause memes

[vast wigeon]

speaking from Total warhammer being tall and shooting over manlets is king

well that and wermintide

[loud herald]

I also made my arb and hive scum dudes min height

[haughty badger]

I play short psyker and scum. vet and arby are mid height and zealot is tall

[loud herald]

nothing like looking UP at a basic poxwalker while shouting I am the lex

[tight musk]

Short Ogryn being able to go where tall ogryn can't.

[icy scaffold]

When Ratlings smh

[loud herald]

he is now short

🤏

[haughty badger]

what does "fully staggered" mean for the Cheap Shots perk? '+ damage against enemies that are fully staggered'

[broken moss]

on the ground

[haughty badger]

exclusively? does that mean monstrosities cant be affected?

[woeful hill]

correct

[main trellis]

It also means other staggers & stuns; crowbar heavy in flip more, revs on chain weapons

[unreal osprey]

is it always cd stimm if you arent going scumpack

[broken moss]

my understanding of "fully staggered" means they got pancaked

[broken moss]

well that's enlightening. I didn't know shock mine would qualify

[woeful hill]

just check Kuli guide

[broken moss]

this game has a real bad habit of making rules, breaking them, and not telling anybody in game

[woeful hill]

yes

[hazy vector]

Do dual pistols benefit from pinning fire?

[broken moss]

they stagger

[main trellis]

Ainz to the rescue; thank you brotha

[broken moss]

logically they should. but who knows with fatshark

I run it on mine. if it doesn't work, that's kinda amazing considering the output i get with them

[hazy vector]

thinknig what blessing to take on it aside form speedloader

[broken moss]

nah bro

blaze away

[hazy vector]

wait it has blaze away

[broken moss]

absolutely blaze away

[oak rampart]

so close, yet so far...

[hazy vector]

don't you really want speedlloader to benefit from desperado

[hazy vector]

good enough

i would not bother

rerolling

[broken moss]

I'd much rather have 40% extra damage

cuz when you dump your mags and pop desperado just as you're about to run out of ammo, that's a lot of extra shots at +40%

they don't take that long to reload

I take reload perk on the twin stubs though

[hazy vector]

... that's what i been talking about

that's what i mean by dual pistols

[broken moss]

to me that's a question about dual auto pistols

[hazy vector]

come on, autopistols are not pistols

they are smg

[broken moss]

twin stubs are twin stubs

miscommunication

at any rate yea for that I run reload and sustained fire

[broken moss]

I mean by technical gun terms auto pistols are different. they have no stock and are generally fired with one hand.

like the Glock 18 is not an SMG

[astral canyon]

I like desperado run & gun for the .45

[broken moss]

nor is the Beretta 93 R

[astral canyon]

Though i havent tried them in a desperado build yet

[rose flax]

Speed load and speed loader are bugged when combined, it even seems to use speed loaders reduction only instead of speed load at max stacks

[broken moss]

this is confirmed? wtf

Jesus Christ man can we get a working game?

[dim moth]

p sure it's not bugged it's that there is a cap on how much reload speed you can have

can't remember if it's 50 or 70%

[rose flax]

No, but I've tested it and looked, and the reduction is clearly not working correctly, if it did it would be much smaller so even if the video speed is too fast(I was doing 0.12 speed, below caused it to freeze)

[astral canyon]

What blesings and perks for bistol

[rose flax]

Even so, it's definitely not reaching 50%

[broken moss]

if it was 70% max then the combo wouldn't be missing much

[rose flax]

It's using speed loader, 30%

[broken moss]

only 10% loss

[hazy vector]

trying it right now, not good

also

this is best coordination of trappers i even seen

3 of us got caught within 1.5 seconds

[broken moss]

speedload itself is good for 50%

speed loader (ffs they need to get more creative) is good for another 30

[dim moth]

well lets see, 3 clips of dual autopistols reloading

[broken moss]

I run twin stubs in my desperado build and it wrecks

it's not daps. but nothing else is

[dim moth]

one more with the blessing but no talent

[rose flax]

There's no values, and each video starts before differently

[hazy vector]

is shredder any good btw

[dim moth]

okay well I kinda figured the values would be self explanatory but in order from left to right here

1. No reload speed increases
2. talent+1 stack speedloader (40%)
3. talent +5 stack speedloader (70%

and 4th video is just speedloader at 50%

[broken moss]

if it's not working in tandem I'd take the talent over the blessing but honestly you don't need that much reload speed on daps

[rose flax]

Speed loader is 30

[dim moth]

why tf does fatshark name talents like this >:(

[broken moss]

that's speed load

not speed loader

[hazy vector]

just wait until they introduce speed loadeder stim

[broken moss]

2 letters. world of difference

[rose flax]

Desparado is literally almost everywhere lol

[broken moss]

speedest loader

[hazy vector]

load of speed

i can take big loads, you know

of speed

[vast wigeon]

i take rampage and frankly use it 1-2 times a mission

is it because scum is OP when played right? yeah,

but man when rampage goes off its frankly unfair to the game

[mighty belfry]

Rampage is completely fair lol

[vast wigeon]

yeah its got a debuff, but arguably ive never seen a more stronger buff in a tide game

[mighty belfry]

Desperado is the real issue.

[vast wigeon]

except maybe "bullshit asspull grenades" in mortis trials

[hazy vector]

also why the fuckj glory hunter blessing does not work when enemies die from tox stacks

[lilac ermine]

Desperado completely ok

[vast wigeon]

@hazy vector because fuck you -Fatshark

[rose flax]

3rd and 4th video look barely different for 70% reduction vs 50%

[mighty belfry]

Ahem. Scrier's Gaze

[icy scaffold]

DoT kills don’t tend to count for your kills except when they do.

[hazy vector]

they do for scoreboard even

[vast wigeon]

eeeeeeeeeh

i need to revisit psyker

not my wheelhouse

[icy scaffold]

Well yeah but that’s a mod. We’re dealing with Fatshark logic here.

[hazy vector]

i think rampage is better?

why i am sure this guy going to be trash

[keen timber]

I mean scriers is on a better class

[hazy vector]

every ogryn of such high level so far been absolute dogshit

[haughty badger]

does hyper violence's damage bonus stack with multiple kills? if I kill 3 targets in a single attack, will the next have the overdamage bonus of all 3, or only of one of them?

[mighty belfry]

With precog and the fact that you also get passive toughness regen as well as toughness damage reduction, rampage while it is good, just don't compare to Gaze

[rose flax]

Yes, that's why it was nerfed from 3 seconds lol

[mighty belfry]

Which by the way, also cools down during ability time.

Which rampage also doesn't do.

[broken moss]

cuz ogryn

[lilac ermine]

Rampage and desperado need to cooldown during ability

[mighty belfry]

Rampage being what it is if anything, makes Scrier's Gaze piss me off even more lmao

It is obscene how strong Gaze is right now.

[haughty badger]

honestly it should just be next attack, with a timer of 2 or 3 seconds. some of the slower weapons dont attack every second with heavies. I guess Scum has a lot of attack speed increases though

[dim moth]

okay cropped them

[keen timber]

You already have ways to get more Cdr

Rampage would literally have 100% uptime

[lilac ermine]

I want to use ability then use it again when it ends

[mighty belfry]

Gaze does too in theory.

[dim moth]

50,70, 40%

[broken moss]

thats what people want. they want to see the game burn so they can lulz with dumb shit

[dim moth]

so you can def see that speedloader and speedload 100% do stack

[mighty belfry]

I think the cooldown not going during ability use is fine for Rampage.

[dim moth]

since the clip with both of them and max stacks is noticably faster than the one that just has speedload blessing

[rose flax]

Shivs with full stacks(unless we get more stamina) of swift endurance even without adrenaline and rampage is basically a knife tornado
With all 3 together, uh it's just a miniature tornado

[broken moss]

that's such a horrendous waste of a blessing on daps though

[mighty belfry]

What I'm not fine with is another buff being basically that but without that contingency so you can quite literally make the uptime 100% if you play even remotely well. It's not consistent.

[rose flax]

And that's mark 1, corkscrew, the other mark attacks faster

[dim moth]

dual autopistol reload is slow tf else you gonna put on it

[astral canyon]

Corkscrew is mk1

[lilac ermine]

Speedload is worth it bc it keeps vulture dodge up

[dim moth]

on a desperado build reload speed is the most efficient way to get more value out of your ult by minimizing downtime

[broken moss]

blaze away and pinning fire. all day

[dim moth]

if you want to use two damage blessings you should use a weapon that reloads faster

[haughty badger]

that's shivs. obviously those hit fast enough. I mean the heavy sword and chain weapons. crowbar heavies, maybe also the bone saw. synergy with thrust would also be possible if you had the time to use it before the buff went away. definitely shouldnt stack beyond one attack though

[dim moth]

shredder autopistol, and infantry autogun

[broken moss]

daps reload ain't even slow

go play plasma gun vet or purgation zealot for a few days and come back

[lilac ermine]

It is though

[keen timber]

I’d rather extra uptime than dps because ammo efficiency isn’t a problem as you have infinite ammo

[keen timber]

Them not being the slowest reloads in the game doesn’t mean they aren’t a slow reload

[rose flax]

Does it really though? A 70% reduction would mean speed load wouldn't end before finishing a reload

[broken moss]

it's really not. it's just not a .2 second reload and shouldn't be

[dim moth]

well yes if you reload the frame you get max stacks

which you aren't going to

[lilac ermine]

Is reloading faster when not at 0 bullets or is it same

[haughty badger]

it's literally autogun reload speed tier which is good

[rose flax]

You get 0.9 more seconds if it was actually 70%

[broken moss]

"but muh brrrrt"

embrace balance. the class doesn't have much of it to enjoy

[dim moth]

you can blame for this one

since reload speed simply increases animation speed and isn't linear like the reload speed increase would imply

[lilac ermine]

This class is weak in havoc

Without team

[rose flax]

It's not the animation speed only though, the values aren't true either

[lilac ermine]

I tested and with both blessing is faster than one or either

[mighty belfry]

It's really not

[rose flax]

If gunners didn't exist, Hivescum would smash everyone

[lilac ermine]

Desperado hive scum weak to carapace and bosses

[broken moss]

scumbags already smashing everyone

[broken moss]

that's the only thing. and if they take bazooka they have that covered as well

[mighty belfry]

Don't even need to be Desperado.

[rose flax]

Lol, no, improvised shivs can get insane against bosses, and you can just light attack carapace with a few heavies

Without rampage too

With rampage and yeah no

[lilac ermine]

It takes like 6-8 hits to kill with shiv in head of carapace

[broken moss]

saw the better boss melee

[mighty belfry]

Rampage is just fine and Stimm Supply actually gives a utility in Havoc that literally no other class can accomplish

[hazy vector]

plasma vet never reloads lmao

[lilac ermine]

Bosses the shiv is only good against shield rlly

Kill all the other ones too slow

Its better for desperado to shoot them

[mighty belfry]

I genuinely cannot fathom how people are saying shivs don't do boss damage

[lilac ermine]

But only 20% ammo

[rose flax]

Maybe without rampage, but shivs attack way faster, I've dropped for example the twins shields and the their health bar in half with barely any time

[mighty belfry]

It's not a burst weapon. It's sustained dps.

[hazy vector]

you need to structure your thoughts better

[hazy vector]

not the first time i am barely able to understand the fuck you saying

[broken moss]

daps certainly isn't struggling vs bosses

[broken moss]

no, this is with rampage

[hazy vector]

you are not getting such perfect accuracy in real game though

[broken moss]

tested. about 900dps more

[rose flax]

I don't think your going to be able to do that in game lol

[broken moss]

it's about "capability"

[near mauve]

i love it with plague ogryns stand still mid mission

[broken moss]

in game I still shred bosses

[lilac ermine]

Do in real game with twins

[rose flax]

Shivs don't require accuracy

[broken moss]

it's just not "optimal" like that

[rose flax]

Just smash body

[mighty belfry]

Shivs mog twins lmao

[rose flax]

Weak spot is optional

[mighty belfry]

The only boss shivs don't do well against are captains because of the health cap.

[broken moss]

saw you just hit shit. let the stacks do the damage

[mighty belfry]

But they do shred through the shields.

[leaden fable]

Even then it's okay because you can kill the shield so quickly

[rose flax]

Lol boss kill was stolen

[lilac ermine]

Saw looks mid

[broken moss]

idgaf about last hits honestly

anyone looking at the actual stat sheet knows who killed that boss

[rose flax]

Also, how you getting only one boss? Are you on damnation and above?

[broken moss]

that's auric

[rose flax]

Wtf

[lilac ermine]

MALESTORM

[broken moss]

maelstrom in fact

[mighty belfry]

You're only guaranteed one boss in auric

[leaden fable]

Snoric snailstrom

[mighty belfry]

Unless it's monstrous specialists

[broken moss]

honestly I go runs with no bosses

🤷

[rose flax]

I've seen three just with maelstrom

[broken moss]

I've seen maels with 15+ bosses

[leaden fable]

Maybe the thunder hammer player didn't let you spot them

[mighty belfry]

Yeah that's just rng

[rose flax]

Then one game was just damnation but more gunners

[broken moss]

it's not some static number

[mighty belfry]

But very often, you'll get at least one boss

[broken moss]

nah they'd show up in the feed lol

[rose flax]

Until halfway through lol

[mighty belfry]

Any extra is just the AI director whimming it.

[broken moss]

had one last night we had 2 cspawn and 2 captains at the same time

[near mauve]

bosses only show up in numbers in boss malestroms

[broken moss]

yea it's some modifier that spawns gangs of those things where many are "weakened" state

[leaden fable]

The best modifier

If only it was always up

[flat mist]

I checked with fatshark and they confirmed this is actually a skill issue

[thorny ginkgo]

what are the best perks and blessings? about to use this for desperado

i heard dumdum and deathspitter is good or fire frenzy

[broken moss]

besides their low HP, what else is affected by "weakened" state?

I don't have proper counts but while most the time I get a god roll within like 20-30 rolls, I've had a few weapons that cashed me out for millions before getting them

[zenith pagoda]

Dumdum, fire frenzy, flak, unyielding

[thorny ginkgo]

thanks

[zenith pagoda]

I also dump ammo if I'm using desperado

Since mobility is useful

[lilac ermine]

I saw someone using deathspitter and speedload and was killing everything with braced auto

[hazy vector]

Is it correct to say that havoc favors melee builds over ranged? Except desperado of course

talking about all classes

[zenith pagoda]

Not really

[lilac ermine]

Yes but add psyker

[grand jewel]

do pocket toxin kills give sample collector progress?

[clever wren]

It favors infinite ammo over finite ammo

Or more accurately punishes poor ammo economy more than Auric

[zenith pagoda]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0a01cdf-5cb3-4c32-ad2b-5f9b312ac6a3/bullet-torrent

I use this

Rocket is necessary for bullwarks n crusher hordes

[broken moss]

it's wording specifically states "kills" and actually gives you a bonus for tox infected kills so logically it should but I'd test it. cuz fatshark

[thorny ginkgo]

pretty much my exact build besides rocket and calling for a timeout

i added them though, thanks

[lilac ermine]

I dont think calling for time out that needed

I have similar build without hyper critical and time out but instead have sample collector

[zenith pagoda]

It's a free 25% TDR on guns that need to reload every 4 seconds or so

[lilac ermine]

If I dont get sample collector tho I could save 3 more points to get something else

[lilac ermine]

Im reloading alot but I also have desperado up alot bc of the cd stim

[icy scaffold]

I just go chem dependency for my ranged build. So I only dip left for pickpocket and that one damage perk

[keen timber]

kinda pointless because u shouldn't be getting hit around those times lmao

and u have vultures outside of it

[lilac ermine]

With desperado on I dont feel I need an extra 25% when I have 30% from hive city brawler + gang tough

With the extra 25% thats 55% tho so its nice to have

[icy scaffold]

Get 75% DR by stacking all of that with chem dependency (I don’t know how much diminishing returns there are)

[lilac ermine]

I try that but I feel tankier with desperado and vulture dodge

[thorny ginkgo]

how do you fix this crash.. my pc is good

[lilac ermine]

Is that memory crash

[thorny ginkgo]

yea

only game i get this with

[hazy vector]

chaos spawn threw me out of bound lol

[lilac ermine]

Try adding to steam launch options: --lua-heap-mb-size 2048

[thorny ginkgo]

thank you!

ts is so annoying

[hazy vector]

well obviously, but i am asking about classes without infinite ammo

[main wagon]

I got thrown straight off Gloriana the other day lol

[hazy vector]

should i try to play ogryn... how good/bad gunlugger?

[main wagon]

Solid

[broken moss]

always someone

[main wagon]

Literally chewed on my head for a few seconds then turned 90° and threw me clean off

[thorny ginkgo]

its my least played class.. i need a good melee or gun build

[main wagon]

Not even into a flaming/tox cloud of mixed horde like I would’ve wanted

[broken moss]

Gloriana is such a bastard

whoever designed that map needs mercy sanctioned

[tight musk]

Ogryn can do a lot of damage with guns, you just need to pick up like 95% of all the ammo on the map.

[limber cradle]

Imma be honest

Gloriana ain't even that bad

Its the 3 mfs who get paired with you who have no idea how to do the opener event

[tight musk]

What map is gloriana, I need a reminder.

[limber cradle]

Walkway opener with a shitton of barrels

[tight musk]

Oh.

[broken moss]

the one people always get blown off the left side into the void every mission

[main wagon]

Ironically

[tight musk]

Yeah, that area is a demon.

[main wagon]

The location it’s in is called The Void

[broken moss]

never fuckin fails. at least one

[hazy vector]

... wait what

i have no idea what is that

[main wagon]

There’s 4 penances for missions there lol

You come out of a runoff pipe onto some catwalks

[limber cradle]

Moebian steel forge

[hazy vector]

the one with bridge?

hmmmmmmmm

[main wagon]

It has Swagger

[tight musk]

The one with Swagger.

[main wagon]

Hes standing proudly at the start and you walk past him

Drop down some rubble and go into a pipe

[broken moss]

also... this mess of a mechanic

[main wagon]

Come out the pipe into Dante’s 5th Circle of Hell

[limber cradle]

You just walk with the nodes as they power

[tight musk]

Swagger not disabling auto-defences so rejects can get rejected from life with all the barrels he left along the way.

[broken moss]

if you make it past that the rest of the map is irrelevant

[main wagon]

You can pretty much solo the end event

[limber cradle]

If a gloriana run makes it past the opener it's fine

[main wagon]

Auspex objective kinda wank though. I prefer finding the batteries

[limber cradle]

Idk why randoms have so much trouble with it

[main wagon]

Because purg staff mostly

[limber cradle]

The worst event is basement ice

Because randoms WILL keep pressing the button

[main wagon]

You move up to stop shotgunner/gunners from ripping your squishies apart

Psyker detonates a barrel while spraying you and then down

[main wagon]

Ironically I have the opposite problem

That being said I usually hold the door and press the button myself while pinging the center

[limber cradle]

Deadass? I normally do 3/4ths of the basement by myself

By that time a random found their way down

[main wagon]

Feels amazing when you have a good team where two people hold the door and two of you absolutely mulch the ice

[limber cradle]

And will cycle 4/4 on me

[toxic kite]

Anyone’s else confirmed for the stim pacs still not dropping? I thought that was patched out

[broken moss]

oh when you get tpose stuck holding it?

[spark gyro]

Best curios?

[broken moss]

that got me killed once

[main wagon]

Three choices

3 Toughness
2 Toughness, 1 Stam
3 Stam

[dim moth]

pretty numbers ☺️

[main wagon]

Additional stamina from curios gives you more attack speed from Swift Endurance so some people stack it

[dim moth]

my ass be named some people

[main wagon]

I just take the one stam curio because knives and DAPs are already silly fast

[main wagon]

I have like 7 different +3 stamina curios though I should try StammaxXxing

[hardy maple]

some people will pay for this

[bronze glade]

live fast, die young, leave a pretty corpse

[main wagon]

[clever wren]

That's just an inconvenience, it's nowhere near as bad as the opening and first event

[hazy vector]

i dpn't rem ember any explosive barrels

dangerous ones that is

[final temple]

Scum doesn’t need stamina (it’s fun tho) so aim for 3 toughness

[spark gyro]

Cheers, yeah I think that's what I'll aim for. Pain to find 3x toughness curios. I keep finding health or wound

[final temple]

yeah. still the worst part of gearing.

[spark gyro]

At least they made getting the weapons better. Getting my shivs + autopistols was quick

[final temple]

unless you have to roll like 60 heavy swords till your stat spread drops

[hazy vector]

nah

only 3 stam in painful

everything else is way more findable

[vast wigeon]

Health is never bad

But it is second fiddle

[final temple]

just slap +health on the perks. not like you need much more than toughness and CDR

[haughty badger]

I've been interupted when trying to drop it, but it wasnt because it couldnt be dropped but because I got hitstunned during the animation

[haughty badger]

still havent seen a 20% health curio on my scum yet

I plan on using toughness anyway but I still only have 2 16%'s. I dont even have many 17%'s for my other characters yet despite hundreds of hours

[sonic token]

Crowbar build anyone?

[candid flare]

Hit things

[hazy vector]

i don't like crowbar

i think it is massively overrated

[haughty badger]

I can recommend not building for blinders. idk why but the crowbar just feels like it takes way too long to get those 20 kills

[sonic token]

I just wanna try it out i use the bone saw and shivs

But i feel like trying something new

[final temple]

May I suggest taxe or hsword?

[haughty badger]

otherwise should work well in any build that needs some crowd clear/control

[hazy vector]

bone saw actually way worse

[final temple]

these are actually good on scum

[hazy vector]

Combat axe is disgusting with melee build

actually on par with power sword

[haughty badger]

@final temple @hazy vector you two are not helping. just suggesting meta instead of answering the question

[final temple]

taxe or hsword are not meta. wtf

[candid flare]

If I had one saved I'd drop it but I'm at work

[haughty badger]

then why mention them? they fulfill different roles entirely and dont relate to the question

[sonic token]

So about crowbar build suggestions……..

[final temple]

Yes mommy. We shall only engage in conversation like bots.

ffs.

[candid flare]

Rampage adrenaline rush crits

[sonic token]

Ty

[haughty badger]

@sonic token goes well for most builds that need some crowd work done. works as a backup in a gun build for crowd control, can be buffed really well with rampage and adrenaline, and stimm supply for a more supportive build

[final temple]

The comment literally was ‘I feel like trying something new’.

[haughty badger]

which was after "crowbar build suggestions?" so nevertheless

[final temple]

Which I did not reply to. How about you don’t try to mod this channel?

Man. No clue why I am malding like this but this rubbed me the wrong way.

[haughty badger]

not trying to mod, trying to make less people unhelpful for no reason. it was a teaching moment

[sonic token]

No worries guys i got the build no need for all that

[final temple]

It was asinine.

[dim moth]

a teaching moment and your ass ain't a teacher

[haughty badger]

your comment was

[limber cradle]

Lmfao is that a weapon skin?

[glacial gyro]

Nah, mods

[dim moth]

mod

[limber cradle]

Ty

[haughty badger]

doesnt mean I cant try to learn to teach and otherwise help. gotta learn somehow

[final temple]

I’d run it.

[brittle sierra]

I master the SWWWORDS

[limber cradle]

Study the blade ahh

[candid flare]

I fucking love it

[glacial gyro]

I'm sorry master..... I have to let loose............ just this once..........

[brittle sierra]

今日はいい天気ですね

[glacial gyro]

FORBIDDEN TECHNIQUE! FENTANYL FLASH

alright so which one is the good taxe

[final temple]

‘while you were having fun in auric, I studied the blade’

[signal nebula]

if only

[solemn urchin]

Hmm....

[hardy maple]

on a scale of hmmm-yes how illegal is this?

[solemn urchin]

On which world?

[glacial gyro]

I actully dont think it is

ianal

do not quote me

[hardy maple]

Earf

[exotic temple]

Reginald just put out a crowbar build guide today.

[thorny ginkgo]

krak supremacy> autopistols

[tight musk]

Game is trolling me.

I went down and the game instantly dropped connection, making it look as if I rage-quit.

At least I was able to reconnect.

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[dim moth]

back in MY DAY that title was just normal rarity

[thorny ginkgo]

[tight musk]

Also silent mauler walking out of a bomber's fire and dropping me to the ground.

[versed spruce]

Atoman Remorae Vanguard?

Wtf is that @novel oracle

Playtester title or something?

[lethal quartz]

not havoc forged or poxbreaker

therefore cole is shit

[novel oracle]

hardstuck malice title

[lethal quartz]

[novel oracle]

its for ppl not good enough for havoc forged

[brittle sierra]

AAAAA

IM Getting AN OVERDOSE

[versed spruce]

Go figure.. malice playtesters ruining my gaem..,.

[broken moss]

reject for life

[oblique basin]

Is it worth to go 2 full lines in the stim? for my box build

Also as an ally what buff you all prefer?

[exotic temple]

Kinda a personal question. There are use cases for single 1.5 and 2

51-57 sec feels like the sweet spot for my box but I’m also a filthy casual

[oblique basin]

Ohhhh allright, nice and if we kill stuff then we getting that thing faster anyway, right? cause of that one node

rn I'm just using a single full line of speed

But was wonderint if... maybe I could pump more idk

[limber cradle]

You can do double stimm but imo you'd take sample collector with it if you do

[pearl ore]

okay help me out here

[exotic temple]

Exactly. I like having a booby trap handy every 30-40 sec

[limber cradle]

Maybe

[pearl ore]

what scum weapon would you say comes closest to game feel of the spear and shield from vt2

long swipey hits

[exotic temple]

But I also like having the attack speed buff most of the time.

[oblique basin]

Aig att speed and for the second line?

[limber cradle]

Genuinely idk, sorry man.

[oblique basin]

Nvm is either str or cdr I think that top left one is worthless isnt?

[signal nebula]

none of them

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[exotic temple]

Yeah it’s pretty lackluster

[limber cradle]

I'm not sure any weapon in DT is akin to shield/spear

[pearl ore]

im not really looking for the shield part

[oblique basin]

Aig aig, I'm getting that second line then

[pearl ore]

but the specifc spear moveset I always loved more than the regular stabbing spear

[exotic temple]

Cdr is also not useful for you but it might help your team out

[pearl ore]

I wanna make whats it called

shrine maiden or whatever as best I can

whichever class has the elf in all white to kick ass in

[limber cradle]

The closest you're getting to any Kerillian weapon is Shivs imo

Sword/Dagger feeling

[limber cradle]

Honestly if you're gonna drop me a buff box I want strength+rending and Attack speed+personally the movement buffs

[pearl ore]

sooooooooomeday

[oblique basin]

Noted, thanks

[tranquil fjord]

sadly darktide has no spears at all

hell not even many polearms

[exotic temple]

The closest thing you might get is great swords but those are on the other classes. Saw is the only swipey thing but it doesn’t feel like the spear

[pearl ore]

I maintain the ogryn should get a vt2 flail

[tranquil fjord]

you get... the crusher? and pickaxe? lol

[signal nebula]

i tailor my box to the party/mission modifiers

hard to beat CDR for everyone though, that's just kind of universally good

[main wagon]

Saw should’ve been two handed weapon like Yhorm’s machete

[tight musk]

I use stimm supply (full attack speed + full strength & finesse) with bone saw and I get the box back approximately every 30 seconds.

[signal nebula]

then usually I take one of the str paths

[pearl ore]

yeah but the saw hits are gluey

[main wagon]

Heavy is you just grabbing the front grip and RIPPING it across an enemy

[tranquil fjord]

man id love proper polearms

[main wagon]

Versus the little…butcher cleaver we have

[pearl ore]

if I was 2handing a yormh machete id want every swing to end in the concrete

[exotic temple]

I think it’s only h1 that sticks

[tranquil fjord]

the closest youll get is with the weapon customization mod and the crusher

you can put blades on it

[main wagon]

I was thinking more those two man lumberjack saws but scaled way down

[exotic temple]

I only use that to bully elites after I get rid of chaff

[main wagon]

And put the second grip in the middle

[tranquil fjord]

what id give for a zealot or hivescum chain glaive

[main wagon]

Yeah now put the grip in the middle and have her wield it like a farming scythe!

[broken moss]

this is basically an eviscerator

just primitive

[main wagon]

Oh that would be so hot

I know someone mentioned Scum should get what is essentially the payday saw on a stick

Chain weapon at home lmao

[tranquil fjord]

i think there are minis for zealot and ganger type characters with chain glaives

iirc but theyve added no polearms so i dont expect them to add that

its really the one weapon type that was in vt2 which isnt in darktide yet

perhaps there is some hope because we got some dual weapons

[fast surge]

Flails

[tranquil fjord]

right

sword and shield, flails, crossbows, polearms

some of the staves too

hadnt there been models and textures for a crossbow in darktide?

[broken moss]

I don't think the logically accurate move set for any form of glaive would fit darktide without simply overlapping with the eviscerator in function

[flat mist]

Cdr IS useful for stimm supply

[broken moss]

"stabby" motions arent terribly powerful on chain weapons as it is and the swing would just be eviscerator copy pasta

[tranquil fjord]

holy shit is that a relic blade skin

[flat mist]

You don't need your stimm available for box to give your teammates the stimm effect

Bc its bugged. Just move into the aoe after its been placed

[tranquil fjord]

the chainaxe mk12 uses the blunt portion of its guard in its stab

[broken moss]

yea and its not what id call "effective" at much of anything

[tranquil fjord]

its pretty effective

[broken moss]

its not clearing hordes and doesnt really do much to single targets.

show me

[tranquil fjord]

staggers even crushers

[broken moss]

can you deal enough damage with it to kill them in a reasonable time frame?

cuz idgaf about stagger that doesnt come with damage, personally. not from my main weapon

[tranquil fjord]

its a good tool, can one shot ragers and such with enough buffs

[tranquil fjord]

so what

the chainaxe mk12 also has its heavies

its not the greatest against armor but maybe thats another issue to address

[broken moss]

exactly. it has other attacks that are more useful

[tranquil fjord]

uhhh

[hallow ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/fentursday-gif-7951810029139224572

[broken moss]

its been a while since i used a chaxe but ive always thought they did great vs armor

[tranquil fjord]

well

the heavies take time

[broken moss]

revved overheads anyways

[tranquil fjord]

even unrevved

[broken moss]

yea theyre alright unrevved

[tranquil fjord]

they latch you into armor

[broken moss]

but revved is brutal

[tranquil fjord]

the push attack doesnt latch you

its a good tool for the right playstyle

[tranquil fjord]

still does good single target damage even into armor

[thorny ginkgo]

jesus i love krak autogun that shit shreds

[tranquil fjord]

and also has a lot of stagger

[thorny ginkgo]

if anyone is bored of autopistols with desperado try the krak

[broken moss]

i do like chaxe. just not a fan of its stab. in fact i use the one with the sweeping push attack specifically because i found that stab so uninteresting

[versed spruce]

Does anyone know if chain weapons' sawing ticks count as individual hits for the purposes of adrenaline and rampage

[broken moss]

that combo makes it reasonable at dealing with hordes but an absolute menace vs cara

[tranquil fjord]

for me, the mk4 is preferred

i dont like the mk12 into armor

i can still get revved strikedown heavies with the mk4 whilst also having the chain lights

[bronze glade]

light spam hordeclear on mk12 is peak

[broken moss]

everybody got different strokes. run what u like.

[thorny ginkgo]

does anyone like playing ogryn

[broken moss]

i do. just not as much as arbites or melee scum lol

[icy scaffold]

I would if it could shoot all game

[broken moss]

it can

but thats also terrible

[pearl ore]

a fellow scum threw a chem grenade at me as I was charging a backswing heavy

[icy scaffold]

Without hogging everyone’s ammo

[pearl ore]

and the horde around me exploded in circle from the swing like a 90s ova with a good budget

darktide is cool

[broken moss]

he stole your kills

[pearl ore]

it was worth it

for the feel