hivescum-class

[candid flare]

Other way around

[broken moss]

bro

[drifting heron]

Not even a real nerf

[broken moss]

this is evil

[fast gust]

You can't blow up on most staves currently

[light phoenix]

Wish we had a Bloodthirster instead of another reskin heretic

[candid flare]

Lucky should work like pickpocket

[potent wasp]

Or if they added a flaw to the class where sometimes at high peril, you can do friendly fire damage to your team or have PTSD moments where you think the veteran next to you is a scab gunner lol

[broken moss]

its been a few weeks since i busted out the psyker but i definitely blew up a couple times last i played lol

[fast gust]

Would lead to griefing

[drifting heron]

Psyker with their thammer zealot parole officer

[icy scaffold]

The rejects wouldn’t be able to take it out realistically

[young herald]

exactly

[pallid quail]

that would be funny in morty trials

[fast gust]

You currently can only blow up on purgatus

[light phoenix]

Suggestion

Psyker explosion has knockback and can "barrel" allies

[pallid quail]

maybe we should get havoc morty trials

[drifting heron]

Yeah a bloodthirster would fucking kill us

[broken moss]

that would be why

[young herald]

and at >80% peril, the psyker takes friendly fire damage

[icy scaffold]

Didn’t they fix that already? Plus it didn’t effect fire staff

[potent wasp]

Well, what if it was only like a one percent chance?

[fast gust]

The rest of the staves you can spam m1 or m2 and can't explode

[young herald]

so you can turn and execute the psyker before they pop

[drifting heron]

It wouldn't even be funny

[young herald]

err not corruption, peril

[fast gust]

Still

[light phoenix]

Yea I know, wouldn't mind a Plaguebearer as a boss

[potent wasp]

void blast go ahead and try that lol

[fast gust]

Like they fixed special sounds years ago?

[icy scaffold]

Fair

[drifting heron]

Plaguebearer is like crusher tier

[fast gust]

[drifting heron]

Its just a big nasty with a sword

[young herald]

patch notes said the psyker thing was fixed; haven't tested it myself though

[broken moss]

speaking of which, im bringing out betty for a few missions

[limber cradle]

My stance is still i don't give a fuck how op scum is perceived to be when I've watched psykers literally shut off a havoc 32

[fast gust]

Buff Ogryn

[limber cradle]

Fuckin buff zealot

Those poor bastards

[young herald]

they should do to ogryn what we were talking about the other day with hank

[light phoenix]

Imagine if Fatshark went full ham and we got a Nurgle daemon Faction to fight

[icy scaffold]

Give Ogryn a full shooty option for a multilaser or something

[young herald]

replace his ranged keystone with ammo martyrdom

[icy scaffold]

#giveogrynpickpocket

[young herald]

nah, the opposite

[broken moss]

the fix is not to "break everyone else"

its to nerf the problem

[potent wasp]

🔥😭🤟🏻

[young herald]

ogryn gets strength buffs for spending ammo and has 0 ammo gen talents for anything

[light phoenix]

He already has a pickaxe in his pocket

[young herald]

so ranged ogryn is full ammo goblin

[icy scaffold]

Ok, where Psyker nerf

[broken moss]

psyker aint even a problem

[drifting heron]

Shut

[broken moss]

least not in main game

[young herald]

all about "oh I have ammo, I can murder everyt- and I'm out of ammo again"

[potent wasp]

Let’s face it everybody if they Nerf psycho in plain snap nobody would be running it

[young herald]

good

we can have psykers return to their canonical rarity

[broken moss]

people just hatin on psykers

[drifting heron]

Yeah

[light phoenix]

If Ogryn gets an ammo regen talent, what would fit?

[young herald]

nothing

[drifting heron]

Because they break the game

[fast gust]

Charmed bullet but better

[broken moss]

unlike them, us scumbag nerf enthusiasts still want to see the class prosper. just not own the fuckin game

[drifting heron]

Waiter waiter, more infinite cleave please!!!!!

[young herald]

ogryn's whole thing with ranged weapons is low ammo efficiency

[icy scaffold]

Just make lucky bullet more efficient on rapid fire guns

[candid flare]

Make lucky give a little more on crit

Just a little

[light phoenix]

So chance to not spend ammo for a few seconds?

[young herald]

ranged ogryn should be constantly always out of ammo and twitching like a junkie looking for his next fix

[fast gust]

Just like his whole thing is been a lumbering class in a game that puts so much power on mobility?

[young herald]

yes

[light phoenix]

Ogryn Scum

[icy scaffold]

Or how chain crits work. Triggering lucky bullet counts for the next 3 or so rounds too (on the twin linked).

[young herald]

unironically, the rework that added barge made ogryn basically perfect, in terms of fantasy at least, for melee and tank builds

[fast gust]

If only fantasy translated to performance or popularity

Sometimes it feels like ur the only Eugryn

Conclusion nerf arbi

[young herald]

the ranged build struggles a bit because half of it is about being an ogryn and turning your brain off as you hold down M1, while the other half is trying to push ammo efficiency high enough to sustain that permanently

and it just doesn't work

[icy scaffold]

No Gunlugger fantasy for me 😔

[fast gust]

It's all rumbla too

[young herald]

so the solution is to embrace the low ammo efficiency and reward players for being broke

your job is to hold M1 until you're out of ammo, and then if anything's left over, you hit them really hard until there's nothing left

[icy scaffold]

Then you’re not gunlugging, you’re just beating people with a big stick and then very occasionally shooting things like every other melee build

[young herald]

rinse repeat

[light phoenix]

Ogryn should have a blessing, chance to find ammo when meleeing an enemy with ranged weapon

[icy scaffold]

[young herald]

no, you're being incredibly effective for 5-20s, then beating things with a stick for another 30s and then you get ammo again and go back to deleting everything on screen

etc, etc

[fast gust]

The devastating consequences of THE RUMBLING on the Ogryn build variety

[icy scaffold]

Only the enemy Ogryn get to have all the fun 😔

[glacial gyro]

I think rampage needs to give movement speed

being melee focused with worse mobility than Ogryn is really frustrating

[young herald]

it shifts the glugger playstyle from trying and failing to generate enough ammo to sustain 100% ranged focus into peaks and valleys where you're doing the TF2 heavy meme and then beating dudes unconscious with your bare hands and cycling between them

...in what universe does scum have worse mobility than ogryn?

https://tenor.com/bq2op.gif

[limber cradle]

I am also curious

[young herald]

average scum mobility ^

[light phoenix]

Are you suggesting Ogryns can outrun speed of light(Scum)?

[limber cradle]

My havoc is fuckin gloriana

[icy scaffold]

Just grabbing nimble makes you faster then everyone else

[limber cradle]

Do I really want to play 2 am gloriana

[drifting heron]

Kill everyone then leave

[spiral horizon]

I wouldn't want to play any time gloriana havoc lmao

[glacial gyro]

I must be missing something because I feel like Normal SPeed

[limber cradle]

It would be funny but no

[fast gust]

Maybe the issue is Ogryn can barely get in melee before everything dies then rather than rampage?

[limber cradle]

Me either dude

Groups do not like gloriana first event

[mighty belfry]

it shocks me

how many people don't know how that event works

[limber cradle]

Is that a pun

[mighty belfry]

even in havoc

kind of

but yeah

[fast gust]

Let's just hold up here instead of going after the massive red circles

Oh it reseted 4 times, must be how the event always goes

[mighty belfry]

Let's just get mowed down by a small village's population worth of gunners

[glacial gyro]

Yes. Being forced to melee things to maintain rampage but unable to keep up with the wave of killing everyone behind me is doing is a very frustrating experience

[young herald]

run faster

[fast gust]

You are a human class, corner boost, tech slide or run where you have to go

[young herald]

you're playing literally the fastest man alive

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-you-dont-say-michael-office-wow-michael-scott-gif-11124235989547302113

[fast gust]

Ogryn still can't corner or cover boost because Fatshark refuses to fix his jumps

[glacial gyro]

How

[young herald]

https://tenor.com/bq2op.gif

[glacial gyro]

You have made this claim twice now, I want to know where the speed I am apparently missing is coming from

[young herald]

just like this

[glacial gyro]

sliding isn't actually faster than sprinting

[young herald]

also, turn 90 degrees, dodge the direction you wanna go, and either launch into a slide or resume sprinting and enjoy the momentum

[drifting heron]

There is a very tangible way to fight faster, but I have no idea how to explain it

[fast gust]

According to the speedometer it is in most circumstances due to stam efficiency

[young herald]

slide off ledges for the weird physics bullshit to give you a speed boost

etc, etc

[fast gust]

Also you can use cover+side dodge+slide to keep the momentum of your cover boosting

[glacial gyro]

ok so just, abuse jank, got it

[limber cradle]

So, I've decided one of my havoc party finder rules is simply not accepting police brutality joke arbs because they're normally not very good.

[young herald]

yes?

that's called movement tech

[fast gust]

Vt2 sienna dagger moment

[limber cradle]

Mf I'd bunny hop in this game if I could

[young herald]

depending on your weapon, you might also be able to get speed boosts by doing certain attacks and stuff as well

[fast gust]

90% of arbs won't join you now

[young herald]

iiirc, the base mark shivs make you run slightly faster while charging the H1, for example

[fast gust]

[limber cradle]

And yk what? I'm okay with that.

Most arb players are uh

[glacial gyro]

most people with joke names aren't

[limber cradle]

Arb players

[fast gust]

Ye arb stinky, get Ogryns instead

[icy scaffold]

Become crab, dodge spam towards your enemies

[fast gust]

Ironically that vet penance can make you a better player

You begin to appreciate side dodge movement

[glacial gyro]

And because the hokey pokey exists, thats why we can't have movement speed in our kit?

[limber cradle]

I will say I trust "officer wiggum" more than "judge dredd"

[fast gust]

Base you are on average 0.4-0.6 faster than the other Human classes

According to speedometer

Your sprint efficiency is also base you sprint for longer and ur stam regen is good

[iron zenith]

the stamina regen is what makes it feel so fast to me, just very short downtime before moving

[glacial gyro]

might just be the weapon I'm using, it feels like once I start swinging I become a turret and then everything dies before I get to it. I like the chainaxe so its either there's nothing alive or the whole team is swamped from every angle

[young herald]

you're also heavily incentivized to have way more stamina than other classes, cuz of swift endurance

[fast gust]

Class specific weapons outside of bone saw and crowbar are on fast move speeds

Altho if you use a crowbar or bonesaw you are 0.13 faster if you have your ranged weapon out (if it's class specific or a shotty or the shredder)

[glacial gyro]

It goes thus, if you want to determine skill at a glance:

Racist names<joke names<reference names<normal names<puns/play on words<an actual recognized youtuber

(that isn't mister e)

[unique spire]

LobotomizedDrongk

[wise sorrel]

the hell's going on with my autopistols?

[unique spire]

What's the problem

I don't see anything wrong

[glacial gyro]

rounding error

[limber cradle]

Rounding error

One of those 80s is a 79

[wise sorrel]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

how can i tell which one

[limber cradle]

Ig you could compared numbers in inspect vs something with true 80s

[icy scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[glacial gyro]

You go into the Inspect menu, then you write down each number in each one of the 80s, and run the math to figure out what 80% of the upper limit is, and you figure out which one doesn't line up

OR

[wise sorrel]

what? math? in my darktide?

[glacial gyro]

you understand that this tiny fraction is irrelevant to functional gameplay and enjoy our novelty item

[wise sorrel]

okay now that sounds more painful than doing math

[broken moss]

its pretty stupid to just ignore it

i dont think ive ever seen such shenanigans in other games

[spark gyro]

(max value - min value) * 0.8 or some shit

[spark gyro]

booba

[glacial gyro]

"I like sisters of battle lore" mfs

[glacial gyro]

I would say this is only true if its damage that is short, otherwise, really, is that 0.6% difference in damage to flak armor really messing up a breakpoint for you?

[wise sorrel]

my crippling OCD will not let me ignore this

[glacial gyro]

Then do the math

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[broken moss]

its the incompetence. not the result

it just shouldnt happen

numbers should mean something and should be trusted to be accurate

[glacial gyro]

Oh you mean its stupid for Fatshark to ignore it

[spark gyro]

Rounding errors are inevitable

[wise sorrel]

ok where do i go to find the stats for a 290 transcendent dual autopistols

[broken moss]

or for it to happen in the first place

but yea. should be fixed

[spark gyro]

All the people in charge can do is minimize it

[glacial gyro]

I would say I imagine Fatshark didn't think people would be so neurotic about it, but they ran VT2, so

[broken moss]

vt2 had real numbers

down to decimals

not these fake "dummy gauge" values

[spiral horizon]

there was no proper way to look into those numbers without mods tho (and the community breakpoint calculator)

FS has always been very iffy about clarity and giving adequate information

[glacial gyro]

also red weapons alrgely obviated the issue

[limber cradle]

Very iffy is somehow still an overstatement

Sometimes FS just be lying to you lmfao

[spiral horizon]

that too

wording is either messed up enough to be easily misinterpreted or is flat out wrong

[limber cradle]

this shit would be insane if it meant what it said

[spiral horizon]

yeah I nearly got baited

[near vapor]

Sliding puts Hive Scum into is_dodging state against enemy melee attacks. This effect lasts for the duration of the sliding action and if proccing it is timed accordingly, it is able to also trigger weapon blessings and talents that proc on_successful_dodge like Float Like a Butterfly, Quick and Deadly, Regained Posture, and Untouchable.

[wise sorrel]

what the Fuck
now its saying 80/80/80/80/60

?????

[hasty agate]

Shit happens

[wise sorrel]

it said 61 just minutes ago??? does my machine spirit hate me?

[limber cradle]

Lmfao

I love this game

[hasty agate]

It was a rounding error or visual bug and the game corrected it.

[wise sorrel]

is pinning fire or powderburn better on autopistols

[hasty agate]

Out of those 2, pinning fire. But blaze away is more commonly suggested.

[rose flax]

Also works while crouch dodging, and is much more safer since you count as dodging until you stop moving

[tight rock]

when does the atonement event end

[lost ravine]

i mean to be fair that does sound like melee immunity
also hi mal

[near vapor]

hey kat

[fast gust]

[near vapor]

fellow elf enjoyer..

[fallen acorn]

whats the best loadout for completing the "kills with heavy strikes while stimmed" one

id guess crowbar but it feels like im not killing stuffs very fast

[glacial gyro]

Are the servers really fucking rough right now for you guys too

[fast gust]

hsword with rampage

[glacial gyro]

I keep rubberbanding and desynching, and the return of Error 2004 has come

[fast gust]

chsword can also work

So I wasn't the only one

[manic wolf]

Servers are very on and off of late

Sometimes a game gets hosted on one that feels like its on the brink of death

I guess Fatshark needs to do a round of hamster replacement

[glacial gyro]

they need to shovel more coal into the servers

[rare stirrup]

Mk3 shivs is funny too

[near vapor]

mk3 shiv my beloved...

[toxic dagger]

saw this scoreboard somewhere. scum does WEAK damage btw

[civic nebula]

That's the neat part, it doesn't

[tight rock]

22nd, finally found it

[broken moss]

id put next paycheck it was a goddam DAP desperado build.

[drifting heron]

Gun builds usually have really low overkill

This doesn't

[fast gust]

idk about that I was running meme triple double barrel shotun in havoc 32

[toxic dagger]

with a crowbar? idk chief

[fast gust]

Just occasionally having skill by walking up to gunner packs and blasting them

No dodging outside of movement just face tanking shots from reapers, gunners and shotgunners

Ogryn fantasy scum edition

Or Castigator stance

Only 0 actual damage

[broken moss]

the pose in the post game has no bearing on the build he was using. you select that as a cosmetic

[toxic dagger]

OH YEAH hahaha

wow i need coffee

[broken moss]

but I run crowbar and my side piece on daps

just fyi

[toxic dagger]

[limber cradle]

They have a lot of boss damage too

[broken moss]

it does well against armor. which is the only thing my guns don't

[toxic dagger]

afaik bonesaw gets more cara dps without talent support than crowbar but dont quote me on that

[broken moss]

my saw out damages shivs single target, but the build is absolutely suited to it

I don't think it would do so well as a sidearm

unless you just kept it on brittle and used it to support your team maybe? idk

without all the melee stuff its really slow to swing and has no cleave

so it's gonna feel real painful if you do have to use it on a horde for some reason

[toxic dagger]

shock 'n awe helps

[broken moss]

but even just stacking the poison gonna take forever

yea I run both cleave perks on mine

[toxic dagger]

but ye could be. i just know that combine uses saw as his melee wep on ranged scum because it gets 1200 cara dps on purple mode naked

[broken moss]

plus the cleave nodes on the tree

[glacial gyro]

I hereby say this build should be called Dual Infinite AutoPistol -Erado, aka diaperado, because itis babbymode

[broken moss]

I'm honestly starting to see a lot less of it. I think people actually getting bored of invalidating content

melee scum is starting to creep up into popularity in my games

[glacial gyro]

its still the mainstay in higher havocs

[toxic dagger]

I went back to ogryn. Scum is just anathema to what I can play well

[broken moss]

oh yea. if I had to bring scum into h40 right now it would be desperado

[toxic dagger]

Fun class for the people who like that sort of thing though

[broken moss]

melee is fun. more fun when you use saw, chain sword or anything other than shivs

shivs was cool for a while just to watch the carnage but lmb spam on repeat gets old

[toxic dagger]

Oh yeah I should try csword scum

Same build as melee shivs?

[broken moss]

it's fun. I'm still messing with my build on it but it's going to have a lot of cleave much the same as saw

[toxic dagger]

I assume rampage + wrath? Or shred?

[broken moss]

I honestly don't know the node names

but yea definitely rampage and adrenaline

[toxic dagger]

I mean blessings hihi

[broken moss]

oh I'm still messing with it. haven't settled yet

I think I currently have rampage and Savage sweep

push attack just procs it

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/imposibiru-gif-16389009832261511254

[calm aurora]

Rampage shred + the power/cleave talent in rampage should do the trick I think

[broken moss]

the problem with those chained hits perks is if you miss an attack or just stop attacking even briefly you lose all stacks. I've never felt good about them

I like things that give you buffs for a specific time that you can just refresh

[manic wolf]

Yeup, this

Can also take the on-kill cleave talent if you so wish

[manic wolf]

The faster a weapon, the less of a consequence such stack drops are

They also tend to moderately scale with density as you're less likely to miss

[tender ice]

I have discovered the joy of crowbar plus rampage plus 20% attack stim

[broken moss]

of course. but chain sword ain't exactly shivs

not crowbar either tho so..

idk. I just lean into consistency more.

[broken moss]

the issue is when someone else targets something you're about to hit (ranged.. typically) and nukes it before you can land the hit

happens to me a fair bit

or someone with blinders or btl or whatever knocks it down

just random stuff like that, that hurts uptime

[manic wolf]

Fair enough, though I do have to say int case of the Chainsword on Scum its one of the least concerning weapons for that to be a huge problem for the most part, stuff uhh.. kinda just falls over

Its pretty funny chopping your way through a rager wall as if they were groaners 😄

[broken moss]

yea I've put some time in on this build. in general it feels pretty good. an in-between of saw and shivs with some solid versatility

I'm just trying to dig on the move set. it's good, just not perfect.

[spiral horizon]

I've been getting pretty hooked on stim supply+chem dependency scum

[manic wolf]

Thats terrible, you should be ashamed

[spiral horizon]

it's something different

[broken moss]

it's a good support build and if you really want to crank crit, it's your option

[tender ice]

I agree, I value consistency over dependent bursts

[fast gust]

Aquila perhaps it is time to return to Ogryn 🫡

[broken moss]

but you lose out on an ult, effectively. and I can't do melee without adrenaline

[spiral horizon]

I haven't had melee issues without adrenaline tbh

[manic wolf]

Even if (on the rare occasion I use it) im using Desperado, I still take Adrenaline tbh

[broken moss]

for me it's just feel. I feel not having adrenaline. I want that attack speed

especially with the slower offerings

[spiral horizon]

not having rampage is an oof tho but like eh I'm stimmed up most encounters and dumping out a shitload of crits

[broken moss]

but that's my issue with it. yea you're stimmed up, but you can be stimmed up WITH rampage

I think it's a great utility build tho

team will love you

I've got a build I'm working on for med pack but It still has adrenaline

[manic wolf]

They will?

[broken moss]

they should...

if they don't, they're not worth considering

[manic wolf]

I can count on one hand the amount of times I've felt an impact on a mission by a teammate dropping stim crate ngl

[fast gust]

Most players don't even know that stim supply is an ability and not a grenade or that it buffs you if you get close

[broken moss]

trash stim probably

I feel it when people have good stims

[spiral horizon]

the strength stim and/or attack speed stim you absolutely feel

[broken moss]

there's a mod that shows you what stim is in the pack they dropped

yea attack speed specifically

[manic wolf]

Yet another thing that should have been part of the update lmao

[broken moss]

strength may be harder to notice

[manic wolf]

An yeah attack speed is noticeable, but after a point I can't tell if they have the strength one in there

[broken moss]

yea you just gotta be looking for it

[manic wolf]

Once you have Hyperviolence rolling its kinda a drop in the ocean, an if you really needed the damage boos in any given situation, you've probably stimmed yourself

[broken moss]

whereas a sudden boost of speed slaps you in the Jimmy

[fast gust]

Cooldown on kill is also noticeable on classes with mediocre cdr

Like Gluggler, Gluggler and gluggler

[manic wolf]

Mind you, thats from the perspective of another Scum, I would imagine the strength is much more noticeable on other classes

[broken moss]

I'd think it's dependent

like a shotgun arbites that's one shotting everything already probably doesn't notice it

[manic wolf]

More noticeable on classes without huge power spikes, Zealot is probably pretty noticeable

That being said, not like you're at much risk of death on Zealot so 🤷‍♂️

[broken moss]

dude power stim on a thammer zealot when the boss hits

[spiral horizon]

idk I'm having fun with the build, it's not cracked but you can get some very consistent buff uptime

[manic wolf]

Not seen it happen, but it probably goes pretty hard lmao

[manic wolf]

Apparently you can get the cooldown to something stupidly short so yeah, uptime is certainly good

[broken moss]

the beauty of it is that it goes on CD as soon as you drop the pack

helps a lot with uptime

[manic wolf]

Thats a definate advantage over the other two ults what with cooldown lockout being a thing

[spiral horizon]

yea and you can spread a ton of chem toxin between that and nades

mind you this is just dicking around in auric, wouldn't run this in havoc

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-headbutt-gif-15075841562648682863

[woeful hill]

https://vxtwitter.com/tvid/ext_tw_video/1924412763390005248/pu/vid/avc1/720x714/YeZ0Qv-E0z89_a7j

[glacial gyro]

Guys.... Its over.... Nothing for scum in the vestures

[spice cloud]

Bleak

[glacial gyro]

[subtle yacht]

Would Haymaker+Uncanny Strike be ok on the Shivs ?

[spice cloud]

Bloodletter mercy killer

[subtle yacht]

Ive got Cara+Unyielding on as well. I want to kill those pesky crushers 😄

[spice cloud]

Use ur needle pistol for that honestly

If u do a melee build

I would atleast take flak

And maybe also maniac

[subtle yacht]

I was using Flak+Cara before. Also, what's Bloodletter?

[subtle yacht]

Cant find Bloodletter 😮

[spice cloud]

The blessing

It applys bleed stacks

Amd mercy killer does bonus dmg to bleeding enemys

Maybe its called different

Maybe lacerate?

[subtle yacht]

Yes it has a different name, let me check

[spice cloud]

The one that applys stacks on normal hit

[subtle yacht]

Flesh Tearer: 8 bleed on crit hits, Lacerate: 4 bleed on non weak hits

[spice cloud]

I like lacerate more but you can pick whatever u want of the 2

[flat mist]

You're going to have over 50% crit with shivs

Never take lacerate on them

[manic wolf]

Jup, Lacerate bad

Also hinges on non-weakspot hits, whch is not good

[flat mist]

Especially with mercy killer

That's some next level dumbassery

[manic wolf]

Is Mercy Killer even good in the ideal circumstances when stuff like Uncanny and Precog exist lol

[low harbor]

Mercy killer meh

Even for vet

[flat mist]

It's actually more damage than precog in most circumstances, but you have to have the bleeding and it doesn't affect non weakspot crits

H1 numbers with shivs

[manic wolf]

Interesting, I wouldnt have expected it to be able to pull ahead as finesse is a boostable damage source and afaik Mercy Killer is just weakspot

[flat mist]

but no, not good

[novel oracle]

you could also just do riposte

uncanny/riposte

[flat mist]

finesse is weird man

[novel oracle]

or both precog/riposte at the same time for even more crits

[flat mist]

tanner's latest hot take is that you should never run riposte on shivs

lol

[manic wolf]

Surely that depends entirely on your crit chance value with and without it

Icr what the circumstances were but i did end up over 100% crit with one setup, in which case it would be superflous

[flat mist]

you can get to 112.5% with stimm

[low harbor]

What does he run instead

[flat mist]

117.5% with psyker aura

[flat mist]

uncanny precog

[low harbor]

Ofc

[flat mist]

was stanning precog hard

[manic wolf]

Yeah that sounds about right

[flat mist]

which tbf it is stronk... when its up

[low harbor]

Precog is kinda just

Not great in uptime

[flat mist]

yeah ive been a precog hater for years

[low harbor]

If precog was 3s it’d be so much nicer

[manic wolf]

Not great uptime, but blessings and perks that are active when you need them to be are very difficult to call bad

[low harbor]

But 2s is yikes

[flat mist]

even 3s is still sketchy

but acceptable

[novel oracle]

like you very often have it up against things that dont die instantly, right when youre hitting them

like when are you not dodging a boss or group of crushers as you fight them

[manic wolf]

Same reason I'd feel hesitent about dropping the 15% global damage on dodge node in the tree

[novel oracle]

its whatever for horde enemies cuz like what are you gonna do, one shot them harder

[flat mist]

hyper violence would like a word

[patent bone]

I return

I bring with me nightmares

[manic wolf]

If only you could get it on TacAxe

[patent bone]

Like how every Hive Scum sniffs Ogryns armpits

Seriously, if you play Hive Scum and you run past an Ogryn, there's a sniff sound

[novel oracle]

if you are getting use from hyper violence youd need either cleave (which means youre running a melee build and have a bajillion power for overkill damage anyway), or youre not light spamming and instead heavy spamming into elites which is when precog would come into play

[verbal dew]

maybe they just have 40k cold

or ogryn allergy

[patent bone]

What if I'm already hyper violent?

[patent bone]

Nah, we sniffing good

[manic wolf]

Talking about TacAxe, I have considered running Slaughter Spree on it, but I don't know how the blessing interacts with cleave so have thus far witheld from doing so

[verbal dew]

I always go decimator on tac axe, no matter class

[manic wolf]

Like if you cleave an enemy and don't kill more than one, does it kill the blessing there an then or is it carried over?

[flat mist]

that comment was just memey

[patent bone]

I just ignore the headaches and run range builds

[flat mist]

but yeeah i do agree precog is up when you need it

[flat mist]

but @novel oracle if youre fighting with your team vs crushers or bosses you're not proccing dodge talents a huge chunk of the time lol

this conversation has been had over and over and over again even with the 6s duration of riposte

(usually when discussing riposte vs shred)

[manic wolf]

Also.. I wonder if SlaughterSpree has any interaction with HC, because that might actually be a way to justify HC

If you're guaranteeing a crit, and therefore a one shot, it all but removes the gamba-damage element

[flat mist]

ill try it one sec

[manic wolf]

Yeah if you've able to, please do, I'm not able to get on atm

[patent bone]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a09f2397-4ab4-41e8-bc7e-74939b0e70f8/just-gunslinger-kinda

Gonna run this build

See how it goes

[flat mist]

HC cant trigger SS, obvious really since its neither a crit or a weakspot hit

[manic wolf]

I thought that might be the case, but worth checking regardless. Would have been interesting though

[flat mist]

its an interesting blessing thats for sure

[manic wolf]

I do wanna see if there is any reason to run it with BM and Hyperviolence

[unreal stirrup]

tac axe want shred + headtaker

since it kinda struggle against carapace without crit

[manic wolf]

It wouldnt do a whole lot against a boss unless there was trash around to whack with it for procs, but over the course of the mission it could probably juice damage pretty substantially

[tight rock]

run blinder grenades with no poison when the node is right there?

[manic wolf]

I am aware of what to normally run on it, I'm just thinking about less obvious setups

[unreal stirrup]

if only there riposte on taxe

[manic wolf]

*Precog

[verbal dew]

decimator gang

[manic wolf]

Would much rather have Precog be avaliable on TacAxe over Riposte

It would make so much use out of it

[grand jewel]

I wonder what HS could do with a power sword

[unreal stirrup]

attack speed help precog but taxe does like double damage on crit

[manic wolf]

It'd still be super easy to make it crit a shitton without Riposte, particularly on Scum, whereas a massive boost to finesse on top of already high crit chance would go super hard

[unreal stirrup]

I don't think that very good on scum tbh

[tight rock]

did they ever fix precion violence and hyper critical not working together btw?

[manic wolf]

Yeah, they work

[unreal stirrup]

it kinda goes against everything melee scum about

[manic wolf]

But HC is kind a hard sell unless you're skimping on melee damage perks

[novel oracle]

yknow what woud go crazy on that

60% more damage for that crit bonus

[unreal stirrup]

I prefer consistent crit tbh

[manic wolf]

Yer, Precog would be a rather disgusting blessing on it for sure

[novel oracle]

in the context of scum we already have consistent crit

[manic wolf]

260ish% extra damage on headshot crit lmao, would be hilarious

[novel oracle]

youre at 47% reliably before stims or keystones

thats every other swing

[manic wolf]

*If you include crit chance on dodge talent

[manic wolf]

Cole, I think you should suggest to FS to allow Precog on TacAxe 😄

[flat mist]

toxin mania is so bad holy shit

[novel oracle]

they would kill me

[flat mist]

unless you're running with multiple scum or are completely invested into needling the whole game while spamming booby traps toxin mania is just straight garbage

(bonesaw excluded)

(even then...)

[manic wolf]

Its got niche uses on stuff with super high crit chance and moderate cleave

Works pretty well for Chainsword, but thats about the only example I can think of off the top of my head

[flat mist]

it doesnt though. you average like 1 stack

[unreal stirrup]

bonesaw have other problem lol

[grand jewel]

that the medpack bomb?

[flat mist]

yeah

[grand jewel]

yeah if only the timer was alot shorter, or you could make it shorter

w/e

[unreal stirrup]

it's like 5 seconds

long ass time

[grand jewel]

yeah thats fucking aeons in darktide

[manic wolf]

Against trash, yeah its not gonna do owt, or not very much, but against groups of melee elites where proccing a DoT is gonna be actually meaningful you can pretty easy stack it out

Ragers an Maulers being the most consistent

[flat mist]

i need to analyse more gameplay (which i cant record myself because potato machine), but so far it seems like a good in theory but hardly ever up in practice talent

[manic wolf]

Its another sort of supplemental thing in my experience, another one thats active when you want it to be, but a lot of the time, as you say, you're at one stack. Thats still 5% global damage so it feeds into Hyperviolence and what not ofc, its groups of stuff that isnt going to evaporate where it comes into play for the most part tho

If you can afford to take it, and are proccing Coated enough for it to be worth taking in the first place, its a decent enough talent, but its not the sort of thing I'd choose to run outside of Chainsword and maybe Shivs/Knife

[flat mist]

i just wish they'd flip a couple of talents in that section of the tree

because im forced into a useless node in order to get blackouts w/ toxin

[zinc ivy]

Has anyone been able to complete the Enhanced penance?

[zinc ivy]

It feels horrible to use tbh

[manic wolf]

Nah you aint, you can just go straight over from Mania, though yeah if you're not taking Coated I can see it being awkward to path to PT, purely because you don't really need the extra blitz node on Blackouts and an can quite happily live without it

[zinc ivy]

Maybe its the animation or something but used that once and then straight back to shivs

[unreal stirrup]

shock and awe proc get cucked by toxin

[flat mist]

toxin mania is useless

[unreal stirrup]

extremely low adm against flak

[flat mist]

thats my whole point

[unreal stirrup]

slow attack speed

[manic wolf]

I wouldn't say unless, just niche

[flat mist]

hyperbole, but yeah

[manic wolf]

Tbh I think the only truly useless node in Scum's tree is the AoE on Vulture's keystone 😄

Literal cow-pat nothingburger skill

[flat mist]

i couldnt see it doing anything at all in the psykhanium

not that i tried very hard

[manic wolf]

Its like 3m wide apparently, so its basically just a push

[grand jewel]

what does it want you to do

[manic wolf]

They could have made it do something cool like proc 3 stacks of toxin or summat, but nope, we got that stinker instead

[zinc ivy]

My understanding is that I must take damage to regain the toughness.

Even yolo'ing in to combat without dodging/blocking doesn't appear to be increasing the rate of accrual much.

I would probably say that this is one of the dumbest penances as it doesn't seem to promote the kind of gameplay that is typically welcomed on Auric/Havoc etc. That is of course assuming that I have understood how it works.

It's based on using stimm then regaining toughness, i believe

[grand jewel]

pretty sure its the coherency regen from the toughness regeneration in the stim

its ass

[zinc ivy]

But it is c r a w l i n g up

[manic wolf]

Could probably cheese it with toughness regen speed perks on curios

Take damage whilst stimmed and let it all pile on

Provided you have a teammate near you anyway

[zinc ivy]

My understanding is that toughness on the curio perks applies to coherencey tougness only

[manic wolf]

So does the stim toughness gain, thats the point

[zinc ivy]

I could be mistaken

Oh right

Not all toughness is based on coherency though?

[manic wolf]

Yeah, its worded poorly, but its effectively "regain toughness whilst in coherency when under the effect of Cartel Special"

[zinc ivy]

This hasbn;t been explained very well at all

[manic wolf]

Nope, typical FS wording

So hence try perks, see if it can be cheesed

[zinc ivy]

Yeah, that's worth a go

Thnaks man

[flat mist]

the penance doesnt count coherency regen

even with top left branch stimm

it only counts the instant toughness stimm nodes

thats it

[zinc ivy]

How can you tell? Genuine question

[flat mist]

by testing it?

[flat mist]

you just enter a game with barrage I-III, take damage, stimm, heal up

[tired prairie]

I’d had success with scoring points in this penance by restoring toughness to myself/people through the Stimm supply ability / having viscosity spent into the 25/25% toughness restore upgrades in top-left branch

[flat mist]

see if penance progresses (it doesnt)

[zinc ivy]

Now THAT is a great idea

[tired prairie]

It took like 3 games to complete; could probably be less, depending on how bad your teammates /you are at losing toughness

[zinc ivy]

God I'm so thick

[tired prairie]

Just pay attention to people’s bars and pop it once some people drop ~50%

[zinc ivy]

I was taking the stimm, then charging in like a scrub, assumin ghte toughness ticks replanishing mu toughness would do it

Apols for typing

[tired prairie]

I had scored points in this through some other mean also - before trying the Stimm supply method - but never figured out what it was

[zinc ivy]

I'm goignt o do this straight away

[flat mist]

the trick to doing penances is just not to do them

[zinc ivy]

Results should be night an day

[flat mist]

works 100% of the time

[zinc ivy]

I can;t help it

I did this with VT2 as well

This is why I play like four games

Have to have everything done

[flat mist]

i was like true level 1500 when i finished my last psyker penance

[tired prairie]

But muh outfit pieces

I’d completed all HScum penances in like 23 or 24 games, playtime-related notwithstanding

[flat mist]

i got my single strap harness thats all i care about

[tired prairie]

Fair

Peak fashion - tummy fashion

[zinc ivy]

Lol I don't even care about that!

[tired prairie]

Then don't sweat - doing anything at your own pace is right

[zinc ivy]

I don;t like penances counter-intuitive to good gameplay but I neglected to consider that it could also be a support class function

I am finding this class even more PTW than Arbitrator

Not complaining

But everyting sub-Havoc is so easy

[spark gyro]

Dual autopistols dump stat?

[fallen coyote]

Whatever the bottom left one is called that impacts suppression

[tired prairie]

Mobility.

Or Collateral, but mobility gives you basically nothing anyway, and more stagger/suppression is handy

[spark gyro]

Sweet cheers. Trying to roll one with 60 in mobility is a nightmare

Anyone got a good desperado build

[vast vapor]

No new cosmetics. Same as arbites.

[echo python]

Yeah, we've suspected that since last week

[flat mist]

You just press the button like 20 times max and you'll have one

Quite the opposite of a nightmare

[unreal stirrup]

now get 76% in everything

[tight rock]

Does Chem Fortified from Chemical Dependency keystone always give that 5% damage reduction with the stacks or just when using a stim

[verbal dew]

always

it's TDR tho

[tight rock]

Anything for more tankiness

[stark otter]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-tweaking-black-guy-shaking-floor-gif-17800569265142365429

[lavish parrot]

Say fellas, would it be a bad idea to make a brauto build for scum>

[unreal stirrup]

desperado moment

[lavish parrot]

Yes yes desperado maxxing

[rough peak]

empowering it changes one of the max stats to 75%

[unreal stirrup]

skill issue

[rough peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1406988061509681285/image0.gif

[late cape]

tanner

[zinc ivy]

Finished in a few games, thanks for that

Just the 1 million games as HS to go then finished the game for the nth time

[patent bone]

It is an autistic build I made for pure autism

I expect to get down voted to oblivion

[clear isle]

lads, I've got a question

for swift endurance (2% increased melee attack speed per stamina), does it make heavy attacks charge faster?

I didn't feel like it did

[livid raven]

it does

[clear isle]

hmm

[livid raven]

i think

[clear isle]

cuz Ive had this exact question with other classes too

like frenzied blows with ogryn, I tried timing it by recording and checking the time between hits but it isnt easy

[signal nebula]

it does for sure

[warped grove]

brother this is discord 😭

reddit ptsd

[clear isle]

you can vote builds on gameslantern no?

[livid raven]

you can

considering the usual top builds on gameslantern, i wouldn't be too afraid

[patent bone]

On games lantern you overweight orangutan

[warped grove]

okay shithead, damn

[patent bone]

That's shitthead

I EARNED two Ts

[unreal stirrup]

gameslantern build is like picking garbage

[winter galleon]

Woah, those people put much thought, effort, sweat, and tears into their builds that have no synergy in talent picks you just cant see the vision

[dim moth]

me having to buy 53 braced autoguns to get a mobility dump on scum

[vocal saffron]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a09d208b-e66c-4233-90a2-723d8e789fa7/faywit-the-felinids-flensing-foray

My chuddy lil build

[patent bone]

Ngl the ones I use is pretty good

[vast yoke]

do you just light spam with dc4 for the most part?

[vast yoke]

half of the builds were made before the class was even playable

since gameslantern allowed ppl to mess abt with builds before the class was live

theyre some hot dogshit

[vocal saffron]

Yeah

Im hordes

Unless there's things like elites

Other than dreg ragers

[livid raven]

somehow still better than arbites builds

[signal nebula]

Depends on who's builds you click on

[vast yoke]

you can peep my stupid ass build since i peeped yours lmao https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a09f7e5d-e0fb-4d5f-b8bd-78b2280c3a7e/needle-pistol-desperado-build-lmao-yeah-it-works-very-well

[signal nebula]

there are people I trust to make good builds pretty much 100% of the time

[vast yoke]

true. that one guy that makes his own microsoft paint thumbnails is almost always decent

i dont agree with his takes 100% of the time but still super consistent

[past trench]

Nooooooooooo

Why no new outfits

[neon fern]

arbites 2.0

[past trench]

.. Don't tell me Hive Scum is having the Arbitrator treatment

Don't..

[neon fern]

u will never get anything else than 1st page..

[past trench]

Is this a joke

coping

[neon fern]

nop

[past trench]

There will be no variations of the long coat..

Adding classes is cool, but much less if you are utterly limited in cosmetic choices in the future, damn it

[drowsy relic]

Or the support studios haven't made anything yet

[neon fern]

considering they haven't made anything for arbiteez since it's launch

don't get ur hopez up

[past trench]

Possible, this is an eventuality I imagined before complaining

Second try in two weeks so hehhhhh

After New years eve

[echo python]

There won't be any scum cosmetics on jan 1st

They've already prepped that rotation in the files, no scum drip was found

[glacial gyro]

Right before christmas would have been the time to do it

[radiant swift]

fatshark and making logical marketing decisions don't go hand in hand

tbf

[icy scaffold]

Kinda weird since scum could have all sorts of creative outfits

[radiant swift]

hive scum isn't exactly as controlled of a visual identity compared to arbites, I find it unlikely hive scum will get nothing

95% of modern arbites art is just what we have with slighlty different bits and bobs

[echo python]

We'll see what happens once they start patching again after the holidays, but for now there are no other scum cosmetics in the files beyond what's already available

[radiant swift]

yeah, for now we will have to wait

[lilac ermine]

Whaat the

Is it no battering strikes or battering momentum

And no swift endurance

[main trellis]

Could be better

[main trellis]

Tbh… not needed; rampage gives you enough cleave

[main trellis]

Still better than arby

[spice mural]

If anything it should have more since it’s something they can go crazy with for hairstyles, improvised armor and weapons, gang outfits, etc.

[rustic zinc]

Yeah personally I consider those three talents fairly interchangable, with Batterign Strikes being the "always-on" cleave, but the Rampage one being for the extra +25% power kick in addition to cleave.

[spark bough]

i didnt actually realize Enhanced Desperado gives you infinite ammo even when you're at 0.

[rustic zinc]

Granted I still sort of treat +cleave as mostly valuable (weirdly) on medium-cleave weapons. Low-cleave doesn't increase enough to be worth it, high-cleave is often already at the higher end where you won't run into many situations where you'll get good value out of it.

[main trellis]

Ay; 50% cleave + 50% power + 25% power in a span of 10s - ye no need for cleave for such a fast weapon like Dclaw (any melee tbh; you gain 20% att spd for the durration )

[rustic zinc]

Well it generally isn't 10 seconds. If it's only 10 seconds, you done effed up broski (using rampage with no melee targets around). Mostly it's 30+ seconds due to Boiling Blood (and due to the fact that as long as you keep attacking one target within 1 second then as far as I can tell Rampage will last forever?)

[main trellis]

Diminishing returns will eventually catch up but it does last very long

[main trellis]

Or only using heavy attacks (especially vs carapace); rampage is best for light attack spamming so weapons with great light combos are best for it (exeptions are present like push att - heavy on mk7 taxe for example cause spd)

[sonic cradle]

erm

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah I had the same lol

[glossy cosmos]

is the toughness regen on cartel stims the same as the curios perk?

[lilac ermine]

Yes

[glossy cosmos]

kk

[main trellis]

Aka dogshit; don’t use it

[tranquil fjord]

more or so gamesworkshop

[novel oracle]

No thats not it
That makes sense and I dont want it to makes sense
I want to be mad

[broken moss]

went looking for a financial report on fatshark and just found out they are owned by tencent

explains some things

[novel oracle]

Not owned, but heavily invested in

[clever wren]

"Games Workshop said 'no' for reasons that likely make sense only to them" and "Fatshark takes literal years to release cosmetics (often simple pallet swaps) that have existed since launch" are both infuriatingly likely

[glossy cosmos]

so does the stim dependency reduce the cd of the stim overall or

[clever wren]

Tencent has owned a majority stake since 2021

[broken moss]

they own the majority stake of the company.

[limber cradle]

They have the same cash shop format tencent puts in every game iirc

That was the big issue when the game launched

Entire game broken but tencent shop works

[broken moss]

frankly this is a bit disconcerting.

[near vapor]

its PIPES

[broken moss]

not just for the fact of supporting tencent with purchases in this game but how deep are developers going to allow them to dig themselves?

[limber cradle]

Love these goofy ass things ngl

[novel oracle]

They've done the same with DE
And they have one of the longest running and most successful live service AND free to play games in history

[clever wren]

At least it isn't toothbrushes

[broken moss]

de?

[limber cradle]

Warframe?

[novel oracle]

Tencent typically has been hands off unless you royally fuck up

[novel oracle]

Yeah

[tender marten]

I like the DE dudes, I make their lattes.

[broken moss]

league of Legends has been going to shit across the board since the tencent acquisition, if that's what you're referring to

[novel oracle]

Tencent has a majority stake in the company that makes a free to play game thats been going strong with the best free to play monetization model and consumer friendly practices in the entire industry

[broken moss]

progressive decline. even the die hard fans that live to be in denial about it are starting to admit it

[cedar cairn]

$200 Arcane skin lmao

[broken moss]

I mean almost any monetization model in a free to play game is fair game. as long as it's not buying you cold, hard power most people don't care. even if a angle skin sells for $500

[radiant swift]

going strong for over a decade

[broken moss]

there's also been accusations that AI is being used to develop characters and skins

[radiant swift]

we aren't talking about league

[cedar cairn]

We aren't?

[radiant swift]

you two are

[broken moss]

you aren't. I am

[radiant swift]

cole is refering to warframe

[cedar cairn]

Oh

[broken moss]

idk what larger franchise tencent owns that's free to play and actually successful enough to talk about

[novel oracle]

...warframe...

[tender marten]

lmao

[broken moss]

warframe isn't even owned by them, last I checked. they had a minority share

unless that changed

[winter galleon]

As long as cosmetic only ive never cared about monetization though will admit i liked hd2 ability to earn over time

[novel oracle]

They have a 97% stake in digital extremes

[cedar cairn]

Idk shit about Warframe
Afaik it's EVE Online for weebs and Destiny refugees

[broken moss]

that's wild

[limber cradle]

Warframe is neat tbh

I used to play it a lot

[novel oracle]

13 years now

[cedar cairn]

I tried it once but everything felt weirdly floatly and I didn't vibe with it

[radiant swift]

some people don't fuck with it, but it's peak

[novel oracle]

I personally dont think its the game for weighty gunplay

[limber cradle]

I did not play warframe for gunplay tbh

I played it for melee

[broken moss]

I mean it's a free game. and it's decent, won't argue that. having decent player counts is natural to assume

[cedar cairn]

No disrespect to those that do vibe with it, I just have different tastes

[radiant swift]

I think the only game that beats it consistently in moment to moment gameplay for me is probably darktide

[limber cradle]

Also power fantasy

[novel oracle]

Too much going on to allow for that
Its ooga number big watching every enemy explode in millions of damage because your build popped off

[rough peak]

Different taste? In my discord?!

[radiant swift]

first time hitting the damage cap

[limber cradle]

Pressing 4 on ash and watching the cutscene

[broken moss]

warframe late game challenge is movement and shield gating

there's no way to survive its content otherwise

[radiant swift]

they almost put something in

but then nerfed it on launch

[tranquil fjord]

its happened with sm2 too

[novel oracle]

Health tanking is actively making a comeback

[broken moss]

in the ultra late game?

[radiant swift]

yes

[cedar cairn]

Sorry I forgot civilized discussion was dead I meant everything you like is meritless slop and I am the final arbitrator of what is and is not Good

[novel oracle]

They added something for it but right before launch they found out it allowed for afk play so they had to nerf it for that

[broken moss]

hmm

[radiant swift]

so long as the faction doesn't have magnetic procs or nulfiers it works though

or you avoid those

[novel oracle]

But rebb said theyre planning on adding new ways to make health tanking viable for late game

[radiant swift]

they've needed to rework incoming damage for like 7 years

[broken moss]

I enjoyed rhino, ember and mirage. been a long time though. last time I played they just did 1999 or whatever

[radiant swift]

I wish I wasn't a literal child when the founders program existed

[broken moss]

the special Excalibur frame ain't even good

ain't bad, but ain't good

[radiant swift]

excal heavy underratd

[novel oracle]

After going up to LR 5 using the same like 3 weapons and 2 frames I have the means and resources to make super juiced builds for any frame quickly so I've started doing that

[radiant swift]

also it doesn't have the silly passive that disables duration based helminth abilities

[broken moss]

one thing that chaps my ass about Warframe is the tennogen bullshit

[novel oracle]

Speaking of excal I actually built into him last night for late game
Now he is literally immortal and creates room nukes every second with his 4

[broken moss]

the game is cross progression but most the cosmetics you'd ever want are tennogen and can't be used on any platform but the one you purchased them on. outside of raw greed it makes no sense

[radiant swift]

thankfully I have 2 umbras so I can take the umbral polarities off one without feeling bad

[manic wolf]

Afaik their investment portfolio is truly gargantuan, I doubt they even possibly can keep tabs on everyone to any major degree

Seems like the sort of business venture that only gets involved as much as they need to

[radiant swift]

I'd like to make an excal build like that if you got a pic of that build

[final temple]

there is a difference in Warframe? you click everywhere and let either your viral heat or slash stacks explode. the
most involved you are in warframe is build crafting. and that only to make your abilities do the same. the power fantasy is awesome and I would put it in my top 3 games together with Darktide.

[novel oracle]

Id assume its because its a purchase directly tied to the platform
Theyre like one of the only money only purchases you can make so id assume thats why
Its more only cuz the profit is split between them and the community member who made it

[limber cradle]

Yeah there's a difference

Style.

[broken moss]

like I said. greed

if they agreed to sell it to you, you should own it. that's really it.

[novel oracle]

Im not home but ping me in a few hours if i forget

[final temple]

lol. I mean. fair. but in the end you basically do a mad dash with your op until you explode into either melee, aoe with guns or abilities.

[broken moss]

and if you own it, it should be accessible cross platform

[grand jewel]

I don't think they're doing that anymore?

[broken moss]

doing what

[novel oracle]

Thats
Not what I said
I said its probably platform limitations in terms of purchases

[grand jewel]

at one point you could get your account transferred but pretty sure it was limited time

unless we're not talking warframe

[final temple]

Haven’t touched the game since I moved so maybe I should take a look…

[broken moss]

idk what you'd mean by "platform limitations"

[brittle sierra]

[broken moss]

you can buy them again on the other platform

[brittle sierra]

MODS!

[broken moss]

it's not like they aren't selling the same items on PC as ps5

which would be weird but somewhat understandable

[limber cradle]

Planes of Eidolon killed my desire to play warframe tbh, haven't really touched it since that update

And iirc that was genuinely like 8 years ago

[grand jewel]

why lol

[radiant swift]

it has a dating sim now

play it

it's good

[limber cradle]

Cause at the time I was very sick of open worlds

[grand jewel]

just added a french nun you can date too

peak gameplay

[limber cradle]

This is not a selling point to me

[radiant swift]

you do not have to engage with the dating sim

[limber cradle]

The only thing you could say that would make me reinstall warframe rn is "they added zorencoptering back"

[broken moss]

my understanding of it is, old accounts had a limited time to register. all new accounts are naturally capable of being linked

[grand jewel]

they did

[novel oracle]

Destiny 2 expansions are platform specific, despite cross-platform and cross save
The premium currency however isnt

[radiant swift]

do I have news for you

[novel oracle]

For example

[limber cradle]

You serious rn?

[grand jewel]

yeah lmao

[limber cradle]

Welp

Guess I could see what's going on in warframe nowadays

[broken moss]

not saying such things don't exist, but they aren't necessary and are greed moves

[grand jewel]

got added with Lavos prime, got Zoren prime that does copter stuff

[limber cradle]

I have no idea what a lavos is

[grand jewel]

frame

[limber cradle]

I kinda exclusively played Nekros

[broken moss]

wasn't lavos the worst frame?

[grand jewel]

mushroom but worse than the new mushroom because new mushroom was blessed by pablo

[broken moss]

swear that was the meme frame

[radiant swift]

you mean loki?

[broken moss]

nah Loki just got outmoded

[grand jewel]

Lavos just isn't doing great at ability stuff, hes a great gun platform though but I hate playing gun platforms

[broken moss]

his kit was still good just others did it better

[grand jewel]

Lavos is fine

just quickly got outdated

his exact type of nuke Uriel does better

and id rather have everything else angry fire man does over lavos's kit

[broken moss]

that's a recurring theme in Warframe

[grand jewel]

not really

plenty of older frames do great

some just get competition and new competition just shits on old

[broken moss]

yes but as time progresses overlap is becoming more prevalent

[limber cradle]

You can defo tell new age and old frames apart by design

[broken moss]

new frames doing the same job as old frames

[grand jewel]

Saryn is still goated, has been since she released and she's still dumb as hell

[limber cradle]

I mean that strictly visually

[broken moss]

yes saryn is saryn

[limber cradle]

I cannot imagine Nyx is bad

[broken moss]

that kit is just disgusting

[grand jewel]

Mesa is great, Nyx's rework made her really good

[broken moss]

almost as broken as desperado scum

[grand jewel]

Oberon is quite nice now with his rework

[limber cradle]

Is Mesa an old frame now?

How long has it been

[grand jewel]

mesa came out in 2014 man

[broken moss]

which one was oberon

[grand jewel]

goat

[broken moss]

Mesa

[radiant swift]

paladin goat man

[broken moss]

was my main for a hot minute

[grand jewel]

same

[novel oracle]

Me when I get 300% crit for free from hot shot because I exist

[grand jewel]

Mesa was my straying away from wukong in early steel path and I never went back

[grand jewel]

and 100% fire rate and heat damage on my gun

[radiant swift]

love playing atlas now

I did before the exalted weapons update too

but it felt much worse to be down a weapon slot

[limber cradle]

Wtf is a protoframe

[versed spruce]

I wish Octavia was more balanced

[grand jewel]

atlas has been good since they reworked exalted weapons to have arcanes and such

I just hate atlas

unlucky

[versed spruce]

One of few musical characters in a videogame that actually implements music and rhythm on the users' end

And yet the most important part of her kit

Is the stupid fucking ball that turns off enemy AI

[radiant swift]

is spaming crouch

[grand jewel]

only reason I'd play him is to get that combination of whites on the crystal skin that blinds everyone in relays

[novel oracle]

Human warframe

[limber cradle]

Are they like, effectively skins?

[grand jewel]

they talk

yes

[limber cradle]

Thanks

[broken moss]

and ppl disregard the music aspect entirely, making foul abominations of sounds cuz they are meta op

[grand jewel]

you don't like dodoodododdodododododododododo?

[radiant swift]

optimal is to have a note on every beat

[versed spruce]

Yeah it's stupid

[broken moss]

yea. so it just sounds like shit

[grand jewel]

I had a really scuffed the only one they fear is you

[versed spruce]

Make spacing make the notes more powerful

[radiant swift]

mostly yeah

[grand jewel]

and then stopped playing octavia

I would rather pop my eyes out of their sockets with a rusty spoon than play octavia

actual brainrot frame

[versed spruce]

Or have a musician powerscale music theory

[astral canyon]

What are the combos for mk4 chaxe

[limber cradle]

How's Gauss?

Looks neat

[grand jewel]

gauss is great

slam head into wall and win

[radiant swift]

https://tenor.com/view/gauss-warframe-prime-speed-run-gif-5262691005362441267

[limber cradle]

I like going fast

Looks like he goes fast

[grand jewel]

the only gun platform I will play

[broken moss]

gauss is the open world King

[radiant swift]

he's a fairly compeitent caster frame

[grand jewel]

but he can also just thermal sunder

[radiant swift]

just fucking hurts your hands to play

[grand jewel]

yeah its really nice that hes versatile

plus the sound design

I love redline

[odd jetty]

Damn they dropped the ball not having new cosmetics for the Hivescum. Now is the time when people would actually buy stuff as they just paid for the expansion

[grand jewel]

arbites...

[novel oracle]

Theyre also in the story too

[broken moss]

class been out 2 weeks and people already complaining about lack of cosmetics

[grand jewel]

yeah I was gonna say but spoilers I guess

[limber cradle]

I am so lost with WFs story atp I'm not sure it matters to me if that makes sense

Genuinely I cannot imagine starting warframe fresh today

[novel oracle]

The most recent 3 are
An orokin protoframe of the new devil warframe, one of the orokin executors
A wisp protoframe thats a nun
And a harrow protoframe thats a priest

[broken moss]

the story is all over the place

[grand jewel]

sort of

[limber cradle]

Harrow looks cool, what's he do?

[grand jewel]

it makes sense why you do what you do, just doesn't make sense why it has to be then lol, other than rebecca wanting dating sim

before that is fine

[novel oracle]

Like what does the proto character do in the story
Or like the actual harrow warframe itself

[limber cradle]

Harrow imself

[grand jewel]

buffs by bullying himself or others

[limber cradle]

I think the last time I played was Umbra Excal

[grand jewel]

masochistic monk thing lol

[novel oracle]

Harrow is a frame id describe with the words priest and penance

[grand jewel]

in what he does, in lore and what it feels like to play him because you get griefed by your teammates trying to buff your teammates

[limber cradle]

Idk why I'm even asking I'm just gonna keep playing Nekros

[grand jewel]

play gyre at some point

funny planet remover frame

actually thats another gun platform id use

fuck

everything else can burn

[limber cradle]

Modern warframes are so

[novel oracle]

Harrow can chain enemies in place and restore his shields with his 1
His 2 uses his little mace incense thing and whips his back with it, fully stripping his own shields but buffs the team to heal themselves on kills
His 3 swings around the incense and drains energy scaling up a buff for the team thats granted when you stop, giving energy on kill and 4x the amount on headshot kill
His 4 makes the team invulnerable for like 10ish seconds, absorbing damage to that scales a crit chance buff for the team once it ends, up to 50% or 200% on headshot (this is dope as fuck cuz its additive crit so it can make super low crit chance high crit damage weapons instantly goated with the sauce)

[limber cradle]

Overdesigned?

[novel oracle]

Id say the 2 most recent warframes are kinda simple

[dim moth]

boring

[grand jewel]

hotel?

wompvago

[dim moth]

if a frame doesn't have gimmicks or a clear and unique gameplan

they are boring

[limber cradle]

That sounds fine but not like what I want to play

Cause I'm a selfish bastard

[dim moth]

and I will just pick a similarly boring but stronger frame

like Mesa

[grand jewel]

stronger is a nice meme

[novel oracle]

You can play him selfishly
I have a build that uses an augment to extend the crit buff by 3s every headshot I get
Then use it with a sniper with 1% base crit and 10x crit damage that also has an aoe toxin proc on hit

[broken bear]

I feel like an ogryn with extra rations

[dim moth]

actually in retrospect Cyte-09 would have been a better example for "strong but boring"

Mesa is lik really boring but I think power creep finally got to the funny auto aim lady

[novel oracle]

So I just chain enemies to make them perfectly still so I dont have to aim
Shoot them in the head
Infinite crit and every thing near them dies

[limber cradle]

Tbh

Im glad you like that but it sounds boring

[livid raven]

is that a minion

[limber cradle]

I don't want them to stop moving

Takes the fun outta aiming

[dim moth]

is this the sporothrix you're talking about

[novel oracle]

And then they let warframe exalted weapons use arcanes

[novel oracle]

Yes

[broken bear]

Does this count as extra rations

[dim moth]

figured

[winter tusk]

Yes but they say corpsestarch instead of banana

[astral sundial]

So today I learned that putting slide on a mousebutton makes it SO much easier to play well and dodge well

[novel oracle]

Tbh I barely use it
Its just the build I have set up for him if I need it for whatever reason

[winter tusk]

C key slide supremacy

[novel oracle]

You can do like 5x as much damage 10x easier with other setups

[grand jewel]

mines still set up for eidolons from like 3-4 years ago

I barely play harrow anymore

[dim moth]

yeah but if you're trying to optimize warframe seek mental help

[broken bear]

Just don’t slide

[novel oracle]

Me when I use jade and cast 1 2 3 4 then obliterate the entire game

[dim moth]

game is too easy for you to be trying that hard

[broken bear]

Run at the enemy straight up