hivescum-class

[limber cradle]

Its just easier to dome

[lost bear]

It is but it needs actual thought

Dome is like dropping trou

[lilac ermine]

What abt psyker cant attack when shielding

[sand haven]

Wall with that stun

[livid raven]

what is psyker instantly dies if the shield is broken by enemy fire

you know, as a fuck you

[sand haven]

Ok, but only if they get buffed if it lasts full duration

[lost bear]

RNG based chance to manifest a greater daemon on power use

[frigid thorn]

Does lethal proximity require the bolt pistol to be out when you toss grenades?

[lost bear]

No

[frigid thorn]

awesome

[calm aurora]

smyker is bothersome but you're kinda immobile while doing it, the bliz should bit tone down in terms of dmg tho

[radiant swift]

eh

I think it needs a full rework

[limber cradle]

Smyker can still kill a metric fuckton of stuff on the correct build

[calm aurora]

I have no issue with scryer tbh, exec stance is roughly on par right now

[lilac ermine]

Maybe psykers should have charges on their blitz like everyone else

[radiant swift]

it needs it's uptime cut, but I think it should have it's impact upped during that

[calm aurora]

so does ws db vet

[radiant swift]

make it be used proplerly instead of perma stunning a horde of nothing

[calm aurora]

the problem is infinite cleave, dots and rending

[limber cradle]

WS DB vet requires any level of input

[bronze glade]

literally unplayable

i can't just hold down two buttons and turn off the game for the entire team

[winter tusk]

anyone have a good rampage crowbar build

[calm aurora]

try first with cole's build

[winter tusk]

no weakspot? must not need it i guess

[bronze glade]

the weapon doesn't have much finesse

[winter tusk]

ic

[limber cradle]

Tbh I only run weakspot with the Vraks

[winter tusk]

ive only used the shivs so far

i definitely run it for those lol, but of course

[signal nebula]

Shivs is great with it

[winter tusk]

needle pistol probably wont be for me

not a fan of dotr

dot

[signal nebula]

I love it

Didn't at first

But i feel like 007 with that guy

[winter tusk]

i like making things dead immediately if possible

hate loose ends

[bronze glade]

needle pistol doesn't have the benefit of immediate feedback but it is a great weapon still

[signal nebula]

It doesn't leave loose ends

That's why it's Awesome

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-lets-do-this-locked-and-loaded-keanu-reeves-john-wick-gif-13730623

[winter tusk]

the loose end is the 3 second window before it dies, plenty of time to get hit lol

[signal nebula]

You shoot a trapper once with that, he dead

[signal nebula]

Nah a loose end is the trapper running off because you failed to kill it

Don't have that with NP

[tender marten]

me: -fires three needles into the trapper and turns away- "Heh, you're already dead"
the trapper: "You're already netted."
me: "NANI"

[rotund agate]

same here, but I do like having high ammo reserve and good ammo efficiency at once...

[calm aurora]

the idea is to shoot in the general direction and move elsewhere

[foggy phoenix]

I consigned myself to using the stub revolver

[winter tusk]

ive just been using the stub pistols and they seem to 1shots specials and whatnot generally

and they're pretty conserative with ammo

[vast yoke]

whats the best heavy sword if im just gonna be pulling it out to kill mutants and ragers

[foggy phoenix]

Ole' reliable revolver

[calm aurora]

all of them

[grand jewel]

3?

[calm aurora]

it's a question of moveset

I prefer the 7

because you can sidestep a mutie and do H1

very satisfying

[lilac ermine]

3 would kill trapper almost instant

[signal nebula]

1 will do it

[lilac ermine]

1 is enough to kill in like 3 ticks

[foggy phoenix]

Need discipline if you're running the needle pistol

[winter tusk]

desperado pistol build here i come

[grand jewel]

yeah lol, 1 tick

1 kills a trapper quickly

[foggy phoenix]

I panic shoot all the time in the hopes they die faster, knowing they'll die before the next shot even lands

[bronze glade]

imagine having to sidestep lol (laughs in mk6)

[tender marten]

ngl i fire two at everything because who gives a shit

[dim moth]

remember guys pickpocket is overpowered because no other class has genuinely infinite ammo to shoot all game with /s

[signal nebula]

Not with infinite ammo XF

[tender marten]

ammo econ on needle gun is wild and all i need is one scummer or vet and its essentially bottomless

let alone fucken pickpocket

[rotund agate]

my stubpistols have run&gun (for bonus accuracy without needing to spend a point on Sticky Hands) and Desperado or Crucian (for bonus crits).

And no, I don't use Speedload blessing with it, because its duration is a tiny bit too garbage for my liking... (I use +10% reload speed perk to compensate)

[tender marten]

in which case it IS bottomless

[bronze glade]

pickpocket should be nerfed anyway

[vast yoke]

cool, i realised i only rlly needed to kill mutants and ragers on this build with melee

[dim moth]

absolutely no other source of infinite ammo in this game

[vast yoke]

so thats ideal

[dim moth]

that has existed without problem

for ages

[foggy phoenix]

Wish it was vet with an infinite ammo gimmick, and not the literal gutter rat

[lilac ermine]

Vet hasnt been busted with infinite ammo in a long time

[winter tusk]

i use run&gun and speedload ye, i might swap speedload though, you're right about it but tbh i honestly dont find myself reloading THAT much

[dim moth]

if infinite ammo was the actual source of gun scum being too strong shock trooper would have been nerfed or reworked on the veteran talent tree a long ass time ago

[sand haven]

At least give Vets auto-reload when they use exec stance like it used to

[lilac ermine]

Its only infinite if taking everyones ammo in whole map

[calm aurora]

the mixed horde combo is H1 > Special > H1 > Special and so on. It's what has the most single target dmg and also very diagonal

[dim moth]

I had to pick up ONE ammo stash that entire game

Mk XIV recon lasgun

I shot literally everything within reason

only using my melee for shit that I melee on gun scum too like mutants/hounds

[winter tusk]

also did they ever say if half of the human backpacks missing from scum is a bug

[calm aurora]

shock is kinda at the bottom of a dead br... oh wait

[grand jewel]

🫃

[foggy phoenix]

More lasgun buffs
Knowing the shit they're trying to pull with the two new upcoming 40k games, I'm all for making lasguns the only correct option for anything related to the astra militarum

[calm aurora]

lasgun will be buffed with admech, trust me bro

[foggy phoenix]

They got rid of the beams.

[charred bronze]

what are people running on the double barrel with desperado?

[winter tusk]

haymaker surgical

[hazy vector]

bruh, how i am outdamaging desperado smg HS as infernus recon vet

[dim moth]

the gun in question for those stats I just posted btw

[winter tusk]

class doesn't make up for being bad most of the time

[dim moth]

vet has higher gun damage than scum

[winter tusk]

also tru

[dim moth]

scum just has better mobility

[winter tusk]

depends if youre running exe stance prob tho

[hazy vector]

i don't

also it is bad for recon

[foggy phoenix]

Arbites exist.

[dim moth]

and doesn't have to bother with silly things like dodging

or taking cover

[winter tusk]

most of the time

even if you can stay alive it doesnt mean youll do well damage-wise

[dim moth]

I use it with recon :)

[tender marten]

xstance just the best ult

[dim moth]

I just facetank ranged damage on purpose to have infinite stamina to keep deadshot active xd

[tender marten]

shout is just for babysitting and i dont babysit (for anything less than $50/h and at least one fudgesicle from the freezer)

[split lagoon]

Does "Chem Fortified" count when you deploy the stimm supply?

[dim moth]

but yeah pickpocket is totally overpowered and totally unprecedented infinite ammo in a tide game

sure

[charred bronze]

bah, excitedly bought a +3 stam curio. Then realized it's 400

[glad latch]

yeah, chem dep node works with bag.

[charred bronze]

sigh

[foggy phoenix]

Clearly, the only correct choice is to run infiltrate vet

[tender marten]

From anyone's kit

[hazy vector]

i wish infiltrate was better

i am fun of it

but it is so meh

[dim moth]

hilarious videogame

[split lagoon]

Good, because I was wondering: Am I wasting a point in here thinking that using the ult will also replenish toughness?

[hazy vector]

infiltrate base cd should be 30s

[winter tusk]

whats crowbar dumpstat? defenses?

[glad latch]

If it didn't make you lose invisibility from attacking it'd be a really good ult, but without that it's pretty meh.

[calm aurora]

how? oO

[dim moth]

I just said I run exe and facetank ranged enemies for infinite stamina

[foggy phoenix]

I know a guy who unironically runs infil vet "so I can stealthily revive downed people" while glossing over a key contributor as to why the team gets downed more often.

[dim moth]

also MMF headshot stamina regen

was doing with with Mk XIV recon lasgun to make a point about how pickpocket giving infinite ammo is not the reason gun scum is overpowered

nor is pockpocket an overpowered talent

[calm aurora]

exec regen stam? oO

[oblique basin]

Are u inmune to sniper shots during desperado?

[dim moth]

taking damage regens stamina

[calm aurora]

Ahhhhhh

[oblique basin]

Wait, really? I still dodge out of habit lmao

Soo good then

[glad latch]

Only the netter can get you iirc

[winter tusk]

you should continue to

[foggy phoenix]

Wish the damage buff lasted at least 15s upon leaving stealth.

[winter tusk]

if you let it shoot you you're gonna get a bad habit and get shot when you dont have it

[foggy phoenix]

And not... 5

[glad latch]

Would be nice.

[foggy phoenix]

Like shit, 5s for +30% damage on a skill with a base cooldown of 45s

Amazing combat ability. 10/10 design

[hazy vector]

and for some stupid reason getting second charge increases its cd to 60 seconds

like

why

[foggy phoenix]

Zealot laughing its ass off getting a free 2nd charge with their chastise the wicked without any drawbacks

[glad latch]

Yeah that is pretty bad considering other classes like the Ogryn can make all the enemies in a pretty large area take 20% more damage from yelling harsh words at them

[hazy vector]

which he gets back in like 15 seconds anyway

[winter tusk]

what perks does crowbar need? cara uny or something?

[hazy vector]

As if people here are any different

[foggy phoenix]

Must be the same people behind the boom bringer being "so strong" pre-buff that it should only have 2 charges and basically be a worse krak grenade

[dim moth]

It was a SLIGHTLY better krak grenade

[glad latch]

carapace and unyielding is good or carapace and flak.

[dim moth]

Not better enough to justify being on a class with no regen

[hazy vector]

yeah, it definitely was better

[winter tusk]

now its 3 ogryn bombs

[dim moth]

ye which is in line with the other scum blitzes in power level

[foggy phoenix]

Ogryn explosive blitzes in shambles

[hazy vector]

1 ogryn bomb is better than 1 rocket

[winter tusk]

overtuned

[dim moth]

yup all 3 scum blitzes are

[winter tusk]

if its gonna be that crazy, why does an ogryn only have 1

[foggy phoenix]

At least Ogryns can still rely on trusty ROCK

[dim moth]

because ogryn is not made out of tissue paper and does not die to a single mistake

[hazy vector]

🪨

[winter tusk]

ok

[dim moth]

if you just have a class that is tanky and gets all the damage too you get psyker

[hazy vector]

neither does scum

[oblique basin]

From the needle gun you can only proc glory hunter if the actual bullet kill the enemy? and not from dots?

[hazy vector]

scum not that fragile

[winter tusk]

anyone with a brain who can dodge somewhat competently is going to be fine on scum because immunity to literal jesus himself

[glad latch]

I still want Ogryn rock to get more upgrade nodes, like having a handful of smaller rocks that act like a shotgun blast or one that reduces max number of rocks to 1, but it's no longer a rock, but a massive slab of concrete that gets yeeted, dealing heavy damage to whatever gets hit.

[foggy phoenix]

The pre-buff grind was rough even if you already have enough experience to max every other character in the game by that point

[hazy vector]

no, it really was not

[winter tusk]

it was fine for me

[foggy phoenix]

No no, it was. Especially in pub lobbies

[winter tusk]

honestly leveling scum was way easier and more enjoyable than arbitrator

i played only pubs

[foggy phoenix]

4 scum go in. 50/50 chance for the mission to outright fail before the 2nd medicae

[winter tusk]

i guess if you don't expect to clutch every single game its rough

but i just clutched nearly every game and didnt fail basically any

[charred bronze]

did you do it before or after the talent reshuffle?

[winter tusk]

literally on release

[foggy phoenix]

It was rough on the HK server.

[charred bronze]

Easier I call cap on. More enjoyable? That's different

[winter tusk]

lol

honestly

using a shiv and actually being able to move is way more enjoyable than arbitrators slow caught in molasses shit while leveling

[charred bronze]

how on earth was it easier, I saw SO many all scum parties fail. Arbites was a kennel of faceroll victories

[foggy phoenix]

I genuinely cannot tell if people were just doing their penances, or were hoping they can get away with 200 rating equipment on damnation and above

[winter tusk]

people are bad

im used to clutching auric maelstrom almost every game

[glad latch]

Hivescum revealed all the bad players tbh, even more so then Psyker can.

[foggy phoenix]

The number of times I've seen completely unupgraded 0 rating autopistols in heresy+

[charred bronze]

contrary to what people here think, by the standards of most games, darktide is fairly difficult. The average player is markedly worse than dedicated players.

[winter tusk]

i also have a brain so i just got a tac axe and used a maxed weapon from level 2 or some shit

[foggy phoenix]

Surely there has to be a point where they are obligated to literally just

[winter tusk]

whatever level tac axe unlocks

[foggy phoenix]

Buy some random bs from the shop

Rather than use the literal starter weapons and starter talents

[charred bronze]

sure, but you're still semi beholden to your allies doing dumb things, even if you can clutch the whole run, that's not easier than murdering everything as arbites. Just a silly thing to say

[winter tusk]

oh this isn't contrary, its quite well known how bad most of the darktide player base is, half of the game is complaining about bad teammates

[foggy phoenix]

tbf, it was roughly only the first 48 hours since the class was purchaseable

But people can't be that clueless

[sullen ridge]

does +75% coherency radius spawn less specials for running forward a little

[foggy phoenix]

Even funnier, a good lot of them had ASS, Poxbreaker, Havoc-Forged and True Survivor titles

[winter tusk]

nah it was easier than arbitator imo, actually being able to move is way more important to me than being able to eat shots, i avoid damage completely if possible

[charred bronze]

and between the expanded explosion radius and free weekend I saw more run failures launch weekend than I have in months

[oak rampart]

hmm... what's the dump stat on dual stubs? Mobility or Collateral?

[broken moss]

this is pretty consistent among most games, honestly. casuals are dime a dozen while sweatlords are few and far between

[charred bronze]

at all difficulties

[foggy phoenix]

Did HS release coincide with the free weekend?

[charred bronze]

ofc, but some games are far more casual friendly than DT

[glad latch]

Not sure those mechanics are even connected tbh.

[winter tusk]

bro i had a dude in my damnation when i was level 24 or something, bro was true survivor and died probably 6-8 times on scum

[dim moth]

yes

[winter tusk]

i had to clutch that game 3 times to revive the team

[charred bronze]

i mean, it's not dark souls, but it's on the harder end of the scale

[dim moth]

man why do people think dark souls is hard

[winter tusk]

this game is harder than souls

[dim moth]

it's just pattern recognition

[charred bronze]

suuure did

[dim moth]

that thing our monkey brain is hard wired to be good at

[broken moss]

yea but slowly but surely the game is caving towards casuals. they DO make up the super majority, after all

[winter tusk]

souls games on new game is very easy if you build your character correctly and use a good set up

and can time dodging even slightly

[foggy phoenix]

I should've went with my plan to pick up every grimoire I could find in low level public lobbies during the free weekend

[broken moss]

people whine and cry enough about why everyone and their mom can't casually complete h40 and they make changes

[charred bronze]

because it is unforgiving compared to most other games. The various souls games are tougher by a substantial margin, for the average player, than a typical arpg

[dim moth]

p sure you put a new player in an arpg on any difficulty other than easy they're going to get floored

[winter tusk]

honestly im mostly alright with havoc, but i wont play it until they get rid of the aids systems around it like party finder and get penalized on loss

also fuck rotten armor

and blight spreads

stupid modifiers

[dim moth]

path of exile, last epoch, grim dawn don't fuck around

[foggy phoenix]

Because they insist on using a purely physical build with negligible buffs or strats other than "me dodge. me swing beeeg sword"

[dim moth]

I have no idea about diablo IV because I immediately pegged that game as a shitshow

[charred bronze]

If you want a game to survive and grow, it needs a player base. As long as there's still engaging gameplay for me, I'm okay with some smoothing of the difficulty curve

[dim moth]

this is...how I played every dark souls game until 3

[high gull]

Not me

[dim moth]

oh not bloodborne though

[high gull]

Built different

[dim moth]

did SKILL in bloodborne becaues cane whip cool

[livid raven]

isn't it crazy how fromsoftware made one good game

and it's dark souls 2

[frigid thorn]

Which bolt pistol mark works best on the Hive scum? The one without the AoE?

[winter tusk]

tbh almost every souls game i just start with a strength build

[winter tusk]

brainless and usually strong enough

[foggy phoenix]

The difficulty of a souls game is entirely dependent on how you build a character.
Issue is, some people would rather stick to whatever is familiar than experiment.

[glad latch]

The healing enemies modifier needs to get deleted, it's super broken, especially when there's a huge amount of bulwarks with it.

[livid raven]

maybe delete bulwarks

[livid raven]

from the game

[winter tusk]

really dumb

[winter tusk]

see its not fun at that point, its just obnoxious

[charred bronze]

if we're gonna argue that the essential design of most DS games isn't substantially more difficult than average for games, I think we're entering the territory of myopic perspective

[glad latch]

At least make the shield destructible, that would fix the problem.

[dim moth]

I think that's more of a symptom of bulwarks having limited counterplay than anything

[foggy phoenix]

The monkey's paw curls.
For every bulwark replaced, a rotten crusher takes its place.

[broken moss]

I'm just of the philosophy that it's okay for games to have really challenging content that isn't for everyone, and for that content to even have rewards associated with it. if you want it, become the sweat and earn it. but modern game culture seeks instead to pressure devs into just making it "more accessible"

[rich carbon]

anyone got a build for the twin pistols

[winter tusk]

souls games are harder than the average game if the average game is like legend of zelda or something yes

[rich carbon]

not the autopistols, the other one

[winter tusk]

but they're not that bad overall

[charred bronze]

just because something is easy for you, does not make it easy.

And knowledge contributes to skill. The average player doesn't get the knowledge necessary to make DS 'easy', typically

[charred bronze]

Havoc is for those players, tbh

[winter tusk]

people dont do research

[foggy phoenix]

This is where I like to bring up Armored Core

[broken moss]

give it time.

[winter tusk]

people blindly pump stats evenly without knowing anything about it

[broken moss]

is coming, I assure you

[charred bronze]

You're right. Most players don't even engage with the communities surrounding those games online.

[rich carbon]

im curious

[charred bronze]

or if they do research at all, they use whatever google floats to the top

[foggy phoenix]

A game people can set down and pick up at any time is always going to be popular among working adults. Especially dadgamers.

[glad latch]

Yeah probably, if the shield had like 5 pieces with 4 corner pieces with 1k HP and 1 central piece with 2k HP it would be a lot more fair.

[dim moth]

what I did for "looking up builds" in souls games ws just scouring the wiki for a weapon that looked cool, and building the stats for that

[winter tusk]

theres definitely souls bosses that are difficult on newgame just because of their attack patters and whatnot, but tons of souls bosses can be dodged just on sight as long as your timing is decent

[foggy phoenix]

A boss fight could quite literally be the only activity for the day

[winter tusk]

honestly a lot of attacks can be avoided just by sprinting for tons of bosses

[pallid quail]

im all for making games less accessible. tarkov should be entirely in russian or at least riddled with spelling mistakes

[charred bronze]

it me, minus the kids. I'm getting toward 50, though I don't feel that old at all

[calm aurora]

I finished Earthworm Jim

that was not fucking around

fucking submarine lvl

[hazy vector]

my first playthrough was always as pyromancer

[winter tusk]

honestly some games used to be harder

look at fucking ninja gaiden

[foggy phoenix]

DS levels of stat autism.
3D environment and movement.
Even the UI element of targeting your enemies at certain ranges is customizable.

[winter tusk]

platforming aids

[foggy phoenix]

Also, the difficulty Fromsoft games are known for.

[rich carbon]

I've heard ACVI is very smoothed down customization wise compared to older AC games

i've played AC4 and ACVI

[pallid quail]

dude i booted up ninja gaiden a few years ago for shits n giggles n i have no idea how i beat that shit at 13

[lavish forge]

Yes

[rich carbon]

tho it was a very surface level playthrough of AC4, i had no idea wtf was going on

[foggy phoenix]

It was certainly designed to be more approachable compared to the previous iterations.

[charred bronze]

those old console games were heavily influenced by the difficulty of arcade games, which were hard to get kids to spend quarters. Then it was to extend the 'life' of a cart, so people didn't feel ripped off by finishing a game too easily.

Most players didn't finish games then, and most players, now that games are more accessible, still don't finish the games they start.

[lavish forge]

Cowboy moment

[winter tusk]

absolute dedication and fuckloads of failures

tons of original nintendo games are hard as fuck

[rich carbon]

honestly I'm really hoping the next AC game (if we get one, I hope) will introduce some more complexity to the customization

[winter tusk]

bro fucking megaman is annoying af

shits ahrd

hard*

[rich carbon]

but honestly I don't have the highest hopes, it seems like from is way more focused on their soulsborne titles

[foggy phoenix]

I'm honestly more surprised AC6 has had several rounds of balance changes regarding the PvP

[pallid quail]

simpsons hit n run was also weirdly hard to play in my 20s n i beat that shit was i was like 9

[winter tusk]

fromsoft has to get that switch exclusive game out next

[charred bronze]

yup. I think the hardest O.G. NES games I recall finishing were original teenage mutant ninja turtles with the absolute bullshit underwater mine level, and Kid Icarus with the real ending.

[winter tusk]

gotta make a souls game for switch to get a couple more sales

[foggy phoenix]

AC7 when

[rich carbon]

Fromsoft is always working on 3 projects at once, and Duskbloods is the only one we know of atm

[charred bronze]

people joke about battletoads, but that fucking mine level from TMNT was hell, in an actual game. Battletoads was just badly coded trash

[rich carbon]

AC6 Expansion, hopefully

[winter tusk]

i played battletoads with my friend a long time ago, original nes he had, yeah shits hard

[foggy phoenix]

Like AC5 Verdict Day or

[rich carbon]

yeah

like 4A / VD

[winter tusk]

also nes controllers are so light they feel like they could float away

[north meteor]

I know they said no DS4, but where's my DS4

[winter tusk]

elden ring 2, erdtree bogaloo

[north meteor]

its just not the same

[foggy phoenix]

What's Nightreign then

[winter tusk]

boss rush simulator

[north meteor]

roguelike

[hazy vector]

should i play Elden Ring

[charred bronze]

the first xbox ninja gaiden game was also great. I never owned the original NES ninja gaiden for some reason.

[hazy vector]

i skipped it

[foggy phoenix]

Nightreign doesn't look like my cup of tea

[north meteor]

Solid game, but honestly too big for me personally

[winter tusk]

elden ring is good but its definitely different for a souls game

[foggy phoenix]

I don't even like the prospect of shrinking maps in general

[rich carbon]

honestly I thought so too but Nightreign is easily my 2nd favorite fromsoft title rn

[glad latch]

Have bulwark shield look like this roughly for the breakable hitzones.

[foggy phoenix]

It's the jump key and open world environment, isn't it

[north meteor]

I like dedicated locations intertwined with each other like DS. ER doesnt really have that same feel except in their dungeons

[winter tusk]

honestly elden rings open world feels kinda empty

[dim moth]

well also item crafting, and being built off the back of sekiro's engine not the older souls games

[winter tusk]

so much area but really not a ton going on

[icy scaffold]

Elden Ring is just Dark Souls 2 2, which is peak.

[north meteor]

also ER is easier

[foggy phoenix]

tbf, back to back legacy dungeons from DS did give a more organized feeling

[north meteor]

You have so much stamina in ER

[foggy phoenix]

But sometimes, you just want to actually explore ya know

[glad latch]

Not to mention the copy and pasted bosses.

[winter tusk]

elden ring is the easiest souls game by a good margin, broken weapon arts make the game pretty brainless for tons of bosses

[foggy lantern]

People be shit-talking triple stam curios, but Sure-Footed gets stronger the more max stamina you have.

[calm aurora]

shadow of the colossus is the better game

[dim moth]

does mean you get loads of whack crap for build variety though which is great

my playthrough of elden ring was an int/faith build which I have never done in a souls game before

[winter tusk]

ds2 had great magic

[north meteor]

what a time to do it too

[winter tusk]

ds3 magic builds were kinda doodoo

[icy scaffold]

I wish they brought back more of the cool Dark Souls 2 covenants and gimmicks.

[north meteor]

they were strong early but fell off pretty fast

[icy scaffold]

Rat Covenant was silly

[north meteor]

Dex/Faith builds were a ton of fun though

[winter tusk]

i never bothered much with magic on ds3, mostly dex/strength/quality builds

[dim moth]

from soft going into dark souls 3 very clearly had an "everything dark souls 2 did was bad so throw it all out"

[north meteor]

Also, Dex/Luck with hallowed jewel

[dim moth]

and that included regressing the magic

[winter tusk]

ds2 had climax though, nothing better than shooting the host of a fightclub with climax and 1shotting them, then getting a message on xbox 360 calling you the nword 30 times

[foggy phoenix]

The only thing the melk gacha reliably gives me more copies than I can actually use.

[dim moth]

I have fond memories of DS2 pvp with forbidden sun spammers

Because I just used the shield that could parry spells lmao

So they would just kill themselves

[winter tusk]

the forbidden sun build was a good meme build, kill someone in like 2 giant fireballs

[icy scaffold]

All the fight clubs on Iron Bridge. Good times

[glad latch]

Point and laugh at Zealot for his shitty attempt at a pickpocket skill. 👉🏻

[winter tusk]

yeppp

[dim moth]

I still can't BELIEVE they nerfed the fucking ultra greatsword golf swing

[foggy lantern]

I find that stacking up as much attack speed as possible makes the chaxe extremely funny.

[winter tusk]

god i was so toxic on ds2, deserved for a lot of those people though tbh

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-no-cash-gif-25565154

[winter tusk]

jesters robe, minotaur helm for max poise, no stagger, dagger for backstab fishing

disgusting

[dim moth]

backstab fishing when ghost ring, or turtle armor

[icy scaffold]

My favorite combo was the fact that you could powerstance Butcher’s Knife main hand with an offhand Zweihander. R1 true combo’d into an L1

[winter tusk]

jesters robe served the same function, thats usually what i used because turtle was heavy and i needed the ringslot in pvp

i had thousands of invasions of ds2 pre scholar of the first sin

[icy scaffold]

Don’t forget the funny crit gloves

[winter tusk]

honestly i usually ended up using havels gauntlets because i needed the poise and defense

[dim moth]

I also remember doing bow shenanigans in dark souls 2 pvp

you could infinite someone with the bows in that game if you got a headshot

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/the-muppets-laughing-talking-old-gif-15633956

[winter tusk]

i remember when you could stack great magic barrier and all the other broken as fuck buffs

[calm aurora]

this chat rn

[dim moth]

and just kept headshotting them

[winter tusk]

fucking awful in pvp

it just moved to souls games entirely

[icy scaffold]

Dark Souls 2 is still probably my favorite souls game ngl

[dim moth]

and then in elden ring you see some fuckboy doing that and you just law of causality them

[winter tusk]

the greatest idea ever was soul memory. oh you just hit 13 million souls total? looks like you go into the pool with the people who have a few billion

[icy scaffold]

I miss solo invasions

[dim moth]

or wait no other one

law of...regression?

yeah law of regression

turn any turbo juicer in PvP into an immediate black crystal user

[winter tusk]

i always kept black crystal on my hotbar

soooooo many ganks it was disgusting

also very satsifying to have a gank group chasing you then black crystal out infront of them

so many hate messages

[foggy phoenix]

+24% attack with 3 stam curios seem like a silly thing I now want to try.

Not even including the cartel stimm

[warped grove]

Is Hypercritical supposed to

do something?

[foggy phoenix]

Or rampage

[dim moth]

yeah it does something

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447926955189211260/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.12.09_-_06.24.28.10.mp4?ex=6942a10f&is=69414f8f&hm=5b02c50471ea827aa88c3badbe8aefa6567ce3a071a09965e48aaa6fa62fb3ee&

[grand jewel]

kills stuff

[foggy phoenix]

On average, it means one less hit to kill a guy.

[winter tusk]

should do something for most kills if you're built correctly

[warped grove]

I can´t say I noticed the difference really

[foggy phoenix]

Crit spamming appears to be genuinely easy to do as scum compared to classes.

[winter tusk]

probably more noticable on big elites and shit

[low harbor]

yea it's super op

[dim moth]

yeah they can literally get 100% crit chance

so

[warped grove]

how?

chem depencedy?

dependency

[dim moth]

hyper crit is most noticable on the low tier elites like gunners and ragers imo

[foggy phoenix]

For multiple hits, too.

[dim moth]

youkill them so much faster

[warped grove]

however the fuck

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1448018099088396308/4785C31.MP4?ex=6939bb71&is=693869f1&hm=618fc934b9594062257bd951b35d65024b494d0c22e57a4da8c9ce11599a9389&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1448018891963105491/3B546C1.MP4?ex=6939bc2e&is=69386aae&hm=0a69b10876c1d53ff74a9f6f397c731f3d04d27b899e97176544fed0fdf17c40&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1448020793580720219/40BA9F1.MP4?ex=6939bdf4&is=69386c74&hm=ecd1553196fc91bdc27c66731004430db2922fab4ef3bfc3a81fe67363031366&

[winter tusk]

ive only used hv so far

[dim moth]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d5fc2-56f8-401b-99a0-ee054340b580/100-crit-chance-poop-knife

[foggy phoenix]

Zealot wishes it had a fraction of scum's crit chance steroids

[foggy lantern]

You can put additional stamina on weapons with a high stamina profile.

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

[foggy phoenix]

Getting to an average of 50% crit chance with scum is pretty reliable

[warped grove]

I hit a rager twice with a crit to a weakspot and he was still living, isnt the point to one shot?

[winter tusk]

only problem is it requires work and for that reason im out

[warped grove]

or am I misunderstanding

[dim moth]

hyper violence means that if you ever critically hit an enemy for more than half of their remaining health they just outright die

[low harbor]

ur crit atk needs to do >50% of enemy's remaining hp for hypercrit to be considered

[foggy phoenix]

I mean, you can reliably hit 70% crit chance just by spamming left click with a TAxe

Brain off

[winter tusk]

right but it requires putting down a crate or something

[warped grove]

I see

[foggy phoenix]

Nah. Just dependency and the right blessings.

The crate is optional™

But would ramp it even higher

[grand jewel]

crate giving stim effect without it being off cooldown now is pretty strong though

[foggy phoenix]

Dependency alone gives you 15-20% crit chance.
20% from dodging with that node near the top of the talent tree

[winter tusk]

too much set up

i hit f button and stabba da brain

[foggy phoenix]

Crit chance can be boosted further with the tax node you have to take to access pickpocket/hyper crit, stimms and the blessings on the weapon itself

And Taxe has that blessing that gives free crit chance on hit

So...

Left click to win

[winter tusk]

what about carapace

[warped grove]

and is this good with bonesaw?

[foggy phoenix]

Use the toxin on crit node.

1 billion toxin stacks murders crushers in a few seconds

[winter tusk]

dot 🤮

[foggy phoenix]

The DoT helps but you get most of your damage from the crit spam and hits

[sullen ridge]

its either just proximity or its calculated with time spent out of coherency with people

maybe i should ask the loner zealots

[winter tusk]

loner zealots dont exist

[foggy phoenix]

That and the whole point of applying tox with the crit spam is to decrease the CD on the stimm with sample collector

[warped grove]

Is Jittery that good or can I swap it?

[foggy phoenix]

It's great but it's a tax if you want to run a more useful aura

[warped grove]

damn imperium with their constant taxes

[foggy phoenix]

By default, scum already has so much crit chance baked in that 5% crit for the whole team is kinda meh compared to a 2nd source of extra melee damage or even more ammo for the team

Wish it was a rending buff instead of a crit chance buff

[sullen ridge]

why not take it? its not like youll be taking ammo

[tender marten]

I mean, 5% for the team is still good and 10% if a Psyker runs theirs is REALLY good

[sullen ridge]

i think the 5% team crit + pickpocket meaning you dont pick up ammo is more valuable than ammo share

[warped grove]

Ill try this, thank you

[foggy phoenix]

Pickpocket is only infinite ammo for you.

[sullen ridge]

yea

and thats more pickups for them

hive scum is just psyker minus psyker btw few know this

[foggy phoenix]

Unless everyone else is running either a psyker or another scum, I will never not see a reason to just take gunslinger improved instead.

[winter tusk]

erhm this crowbar is only 2shotting crushers

erhm thats too slow

[novel oracle]

the blunt mode could use a bit of tune ups tbh

[sullen ridge]

i think its just a math thing

you not requiring ammo pickups at ALL means that the vets and ogryns can take every pickup for free

ammo you dont take is still 'shared' among your team, just not explicitly stated in a handy little perk tooltip

[foggy phoenix]

Shovel superiority

[amber sundial]

hivescum doesn’t have psword they’re bottom 1 class fr fr

[winter tusk]

this is the claw side

us your build

[tender marten]

idk i never really have ammo problems til like h30 or something so the notion of needing an ammo aura is super lost on me. only matters if im intentionally playing and excessively shooty class

[rotund agate]

I can't get mine to 2 shot crushers, no matter how hard I try...

[winter tusk]

using*

[novel oracle]

im still saying

[winter tusk]

im using coles build rn

itll 2shot with rampage

[novel oracle]

the crowbar feels anemic unless youre going full melee

[winter tusk]

is that not what the pinned one is?

[novel oracle]

it is but thats still a problem

[compact oyster]

save me techpriest

[sullen ridge]

do we light spam or charge heavies with crowbar

[novel oracle]

outside of rampage with only a few damage buffs, a heavy sweep will be hard pressed to kill a poxwalker as the first hit

[foggy phoenix]

Thing is, gunslinger also buffs ammo pickups for everyone involved, and not just be another player to feed ammo into. While a psyker helps with overall ammo consumption, they don't literally generate more ammo from nothing.

[winter tusk]

takes like 3-4 heavies with the claw side without rampage

[tender marten]

personally i was disappointed that the crowbar couldnt even summon a single goddamn crow to fight for me

[winter tusk]

yeah crowbar seems bad compared to shivs that can 1shot two crushers at the same time

https://tenor.com/view/castorice-powercreep-hsr-castorice-hsr-dragon-gif-8292897753528429760

[foggy phoenix]

At least the crusher is being dragged along towards you rather than prepping for a big overhead swing.
Probably the only reason I'd use it
But I'd rather that the crusher die instead, since the animation takes too damn long

[winter tusk]

yeah with my shiv build they die in 1-2 hits max after a couple stacks of uncanny

[foggy phoenix]

Shovel superiority

They could've given scum a shovel and it'd make the crowbar a mere novelty

Please FS

Give me my flip shovel

I beg

[amber sundial]

Granted, ogryn latrine shovel

[sullen ridge]

the game spawns (relatively, the director gives and takes) the same amount of ammo. having 4 people that need ammo pickups means everyone struggles. having a psyker that doesnt need ammo doesnt generate ammo, yes, but thats one less person dipping into the mission's ammo pool

i think the crit chance, while a simple buff, is more valuable. not only are you not dipping into the pickup supply while using pickpocket, but you're also giving them (and especially you) more damage with which to not waste ammo

gunslinger feels nice to bring but is outshone by the other two and made irrelevant if taking pickpocket

[foggy phoenix]

Those can still oneshot crushers

[amber sundial]

Yea but it’s comically big for a hs

[winter tusk]

psykhanium needs a function to refresh your stim so you dont have to wait on it when testing

[sullen ridge]

chug those celerity stims

[winter tusk]

cant lol

[sullen ridge]

right

😭

[amber sundial]

ability to instantly eat stims on the floor with cartel special when

[novel oracle]

it wont ever happen

[foggy phoenix]

This is where I petition FS to add a new category of shovel called the *Große Schaufel"

You wield the shovel like a relic blade

[winter tusk]

crazy how strength and rending do almost nothing for the crowbar on crushers

[novel oracle]

they really do tho

[winter tusk]

doesnt feel like it

further testing needed

[novel oracle]

compare crowbar during rampage vs out of rampage

[compact oyster]

fatshark will never give shovel to any other class than vet

[winter tusk]

im testing without rn

[compact oyster]

besides ogryn but we dont talk about that

[winter tusk]

purely stim

with it ofc its gonna shred

[foggy phoenix]

Wish there was another way for HS to interact with map stimms than oddly stare at a med stim while only having a single wound left, pleading and begging your team to drug you with your consent.

Totally not me

[novel oracle]

i think its fine that you cant pick up map stims when you have your own self replenishing stim

[amber sundial]

I had a game once where I just instantly stabbed stims into the nearest hivescum because I was the only vet and the other 3 were hive scum

[foggy phoenix]

At least let us jab the map stimms upon interacting with them

[novel oracle]

no

[winter tusk]

they should let you use concentrations or something in psykhanium for testing

[foggy phoenix]

Like, immediately

[novel oracle]

thats part of the tradeoff

[winter tusk]

or instant regen or something

[warped grove]

I shit you not, in a damnation lobby

I was Scum with one wound left, I come across a stim and ping it for my teammate and begin typing in chat

The Vet with 3 wounds, no corruption but only 1 wound of health takes it and jabs it in him, I contemplated continuing to play for a solid minute after witnessing that

[novel oracle]

i can see that being uses for toxicity too

oh i cant use this stim, better use it instantly

[foggy phoenix]

I've been taunted by med stimms showing up more frequently when I play scum than when I play literally any other class

And with how common the blight modifier is for havoc

[novel oracle]

and you have like all non scum teammates with no stims on them

[vast yoke]

crazy how the stat that multiplicatively increases all damage does nothing for a weapon that does damage

[foggy phoenix]

I want more corruption cleanse

[novel oracle]

blessed stims is right there

i use it for blight, genuinely

[winter tusk]

if youre not using rampage it doesnt add that much

[novel oracle]

and its really effective

[warped grove]

crate is good for blight

[winter tusk]

crazy how reading works

[foggy phoenix]

Or you know, just use stimm supply.

[warped grove]

helps you run through puddles

[foggy phoenix]

Stimm supply gives you temp corruption immunity

[warped grove]

or deal with them

[foggy phoenix]

Perfect for stray hexbound DH

[warped grove]

yeah

[foggy phoenix]

Corruption puddles

[novel oracle]

you cannot make me equip that ability

i refuse

[foggy phoenix]

Corruption immunity for 15s

[novel oracle]

i enjoy having fun in the video game

[vast yoke]

khaby lame mechanism build

[foggy phoenix]

Think of all the dirty doodoo you ignore

[winter tusk]

melee supremacy

[foggy phoenix]

It's like strolling into a dogpark knowing your jays won't ever even be tainted by a random brown landmine

[winter tusk]

dot bad

[foggy phoenix]

Also some corruption clear, ig

But it's only like

40hp worth

[novel oracle]

im not running the support ability !!!!! you cant make me !!!!!!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/baby-punch-that-hurt-dodge-gif-12258824

[compact oyster]

cole knows just how broken stimm supply can be

[winter tusk]

crowbar doesn't clear the screen instantly and delete all bosses in the area at the same time

needs buffed

[novel oracle]

yeah stim supply is literally bugged in the players favor right now

[foggy phoenix]

Boom bringer should've been an equippable secondary instead of a blitz

[dim moth]

may it remain so forevermore

[foggy phoenix]

Gotta give people a reason to buy the brand new class 👌

[winter tusk]

yeah crowbars like a 2shot minimum

[foggy phoenix]

You screw them over after the hype (if scum had any) dies down

[winter tusk]

not bad but eh

[foggy phoenix]

Shovel supremacy

[novel oracle]

what the fuck does this mean

[amber sundial]

fox

[novel oracle]

what fucking genre is fox

[foggy phoenix]

What the hell even is this

[novel oracle]

when did i play an open world survival crafting game

[winter tusk]

blunt side clears gunners thats for sure

[foggy phoenix]

And where is it from

[winter tusk]

deletes

steam year end review

should be on steam store homepage

[rare stirrup]

My biggest spike on this thing is just "Dwarf"

[tropic crag]

that you played alot of witchfire?

[rare stirrup]

I mean I like dwarf fortress, but they could've been subtler about it

[novel oracle]

not that much

[tropic crag]

my biggest spike is souls like, then cyberpunk... both of those make sense... but then i also have hunting? idk why i have hunting

[tropic crag]

need to play it more

[broken moss]

tragic. great game

[novel oracle]

i only started it like a few months ago

and its still in early access so im taking my time cuz they keep adding new stuff

[broken moss]

Bro said a few months

[tropic crag]

i just restarted another character for the new update

[novel oracle]

yeah??

[broken moss]

average folk around here got more time than that in on darktide in the last week

[novel oracle]

i know i literally said i barely played it

[broken moss]

I know. just messing with you bro chill

[tropic crag]

lol i've had witchfire for like a year and only have 40 hours on it for the same reasons tbh, it being not totally finished yet

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/goedulf-nexter-darktide-stare-warhammer-gif-17820373588181746257

[broken moss]

at any rate they are pretty much done adding stuff

[tropic crag]

still one more map and the story mostly is whats left to my understanding

[broken moss]

I know there's another map coming at launch but I don't know about any story

[broken moss]

what am I looking at

[dim moth]

Tunic I think?

[tropic crag]

i don't mean like... alot of story but they talked about adding more stuff to flesh it out and things

[broken moss]

I haven't played since they added the last update though. new melee stuff and a few more weapons

[tropic crag]

WAIT.... the reason hunting was a spike on my graph is because of monster hunter... that is so dumb

[broken moss]

it definitely needs more. it's amazing as is but needs more maps and whatnot. I hope they continue developing on it

[novel oracle]

WHAT FUCKING GENRE IS FOX

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-cat-tweaking-cat-help-gif-15027370981305715566

[broken moss]

you probably going to regret looking that up bro

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/gogmazios-mh-wilds-gogmazios-mh-wilds-monster-hunter-wilds-monster-hunter-gif-6030926272338317333

[broken moss]

I don't know what it is but I have an idea and it's not likely anything most people.. sample..

[novel oracle]

never came back to it

[tropic crag]

i love monster hunter man... Tide, EDF, and Monster Hunter are my beloved franchises

[compact oyster]

ok the fox genre is literally playing as a fox

[broken moss]

should have refunded it

[novel oracle]

would prolly need to restart when i do

[rare stirrup]

It's not a genre, it's a steam tag

[dim moth]

oh god

[broken moss]

that's like 700 hours or something

not bad

[rare stirrup]

33? EXPEDITION 33 REFERENCE????7?7?7?

[compact oyster]

ainz had like 1724 sessions

[tropic crag]

you guys have me beat for this year on tide play time, i've taken too many breaks

i also play WAYYYY too many different games tbh

[compact oyster]

ive been doing my yearly nioh 2 replay again

[fierce python]

Game too hard

[broken moss]

won't confirm which game that is. but yea.

[fierce python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447795332225306736/togif.gif

[compact oyster]

you didnt even play renegades when it released lmao

[novel oracle]

yeah

i still havent

[tropic crag]

see i play too many games

thats not even counting games off steam

[compact oyster]

and im guessing nowhere in the future

[novel oracle]

no idea

winter break is a good time to knock games out of my backlog

i just beat unbeatable the other day and that one was pretty good, had been looking forward to its release for a while

[grand jewel]

CURSE YOU BAYLE

[compact oyster]

thats gogmazios

[grand jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/952013958947155991/993858396644200578/0DB20BD1-C2C3-48B9-A448-00A0D1BCA228.gif

[dim moth]

oh my gog

[tropic crag]

i need to do the gog stuff, just uninstalled darktide so i could install MH wilds and do the fight

[hardy maple]

im liking it so far, but its definitely a little janky in parts with the UI

and the animations

[tropic crag]

do you actually aim to get achievements or does that happen naturally for you?

i ignore achievements

[novel oracle]

it was fun but imo i didnt like the way the story headed, that was probably the biggest let down for me

[hardy maple]

depends, usually if im replaying a game im going for achievements

[novel oracle]

but nothing in the game matched how fucking awesome this sequence was

[compact oyster]

i platinumed paradigm and clair obscur

[hardy maple]

does the story include the songs from the demo, so far i havent heard any of my favorites from the demo

[main wagon]

I find getting on VOIP, addressing non-Scum by name, and asking them nicely to stim you in low intensity situations works like 70% of the time

[tropic crag]

that makes sense

[novel oracle]

did you like proper rhythm

[hardy maple]

yes, but I understand if that one isnt there

[novel oracle]

expect a remix of it

[hardy maple]

sicko mode

I think i have a problem cause i blow all the steam medians WAY out of the water

[main wagon]

Cole have you played the demo for Mindwave?

Feel like you’d like it

[tropic crag]

lol yours looks like mine

[novel oracle]

no but i know about it

its sorta wario ware like right

[main wagon]

It’s short, def give it a try

Yeah warioware is accurate

[novel oracle]

||https://youtu.be/7JbQ_re5XNc?si=gD8weQsYpaf7yX7p&t=100||
spoilers in terms of yknow, whats happening on screen
but i timestamped all dialogue out

[tropic crag]

did we ever figure out what fox actually meant?

[novel oracle]

games with a fox in it

idk why that was in mine tho

[tropic crag]

that doesn't make sense lol... how are starfox and epistory related tho

[hardy maple]

I love how hateable the social media twins are

[novel oracle]

the only thing i can think of would be nine sols but that one still doesnt make sense cuz the race of the main character would be more like cat-people-things

[foggy phoenix]

Hi. I primarily play on the HK server due to ping reasons.
How do you communicate that to players with simplified chinese, japanese or korean usernames in a timely manner

[grand jewel]

this year?

how do you even get this stat

[vast yoke]

grunts

[tropic crag]

go to the main store page on steam theres a yearly replay thing

[coarse creek]

ping the stim and spam "i need healing" from comm wheel?

[tropic crag]

oh wait i misunderstood

[hasty agate]

How much cleave does the crowbar have at base value?

[broken moss]

nah that's probably over like 5-6 years

[foggy phoenix]

Tried that. The thieving little magpies just took it for themselves

[coarse creek]

rip

[mighty belfry]

Bold of you to assume the comm wheel is actually working at that current moment.

[novel oracle]

since unlike the arcade, you dont slowly heal by hitting notes, this part fucked me up hard since i played on expert
its a long stretch with lots of tricky parts on that difficulty which slowly whittled me down

[broken moss]

no shot I could ever put that kind of time into any game over even 2-3 years. that's ridiculous

[tropic crag]

yeah idk, i agree with you on them being more cat people... maybe it goes off of play created tags and people are dumb?

[grand jewel]

I have one with more but that number spread is nice to look at

[novel oracle]

oh

[hardy maple]

ive had a few times already on expert (the difficulty the dev plays on it says when you pick it) that ive debated turning it down, just cause its tough to even move my fingers fast enough for some of the songs that are fights with cops

[crimson violet]

i need some name sugestions for my crack head woman, any ideas?

[broken moss]

I mean if you get into an MMO and actually play it regularly over it's multi decade lifespan without burning out, yea you can log crazy numbers

[hasty agate]

Tweaker Bell

[broken moss]

but I think the amount of time I have into that game specifically is quite a bit. cuz it's not an mmo

[tropic crag]

what a crazy reason for them to say you like fox games

[novel oracle]

flintlock was fun as just like a "i need a parry game right now i dont need it to be stellar"

[novel oracle]

but i played it for like 24 hours total

how is that defining enough for an entire genre

[tropic crag]

big fox is obviously paying off steam to push an agenda

[compact oyster]

parryslop

[broken moss]

that's generic af

[tropic crag]

that looks ok, but yeah if i want a parry game i'll sit down and finally beat sekiro (i'm the worst parry game player ever so i keep stopping halfway through)

[main wagon]

Ahhh SEA player. I grieve for you, my friend

That is a pickle

[tropic crag]

it helped when i started thinking about the parry button like a kickpeddle on a bass drum

[novel oracle]

it is but it had some cool bits in the systems, but not enough to take it to status higher than parryslop

[compact oyster]

did you know that nioh 3 will have deflecting

[hardy maple]

here's a rhythm, parry, gravity puzzle game that i found really good if you havent already played it

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2986450

Steam

Metro Gravity

Explore the twisting passages and alleys of the Halls, a liminal manifestation of the subconscious of many.

After clicking a shady looking hyperlink and filling out a survey, you find yourself in a non-sensical place where gravity implies no "up" or "down." The unfortunate residents encourage you to find your way out by facing your regrets and…

Price

$12.99

Recommendations

494

[novel oracle]

i enjoyed it enough to finish it on the hardest difficulty

[compact oyster]

big ass

[hardy maple]

that too

[grand jewel]

425,640, 7094, 295 days in my most played jesus christ

[foggy phoenix]

Sounds like Sekiro

[grand jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565672718293401653/1321147766805631129/cat_armor_wiki.gif

[hardy maple]

its more puzzly than it is combat

[foggy phoenix]

Oh.

[novel oracle]

it literally has rhythm as a tag

[hardy maple]

its more rhythm game in its fights too, especially the bosses

[novel oracle]

so id assume its like
actual music rhythm

[hardy maple]

but it is parrying and puzzle

and attacking

[vale garden]

expedition 33 is a parry game

[dim moth]

have you played Nine Sols

not a rhythm game but metroidvania like hollow knight

focusing on parries

[broken moss]

it looks interesting. but I've never been able to bring myself to try it

[tender marten]

paré*

[foggy phoenix]

I still vividly remember the time I was deceived into playing a rhythm game masquerading as a fromsoft soulslike

[novel oracle]

ive no hit the true final boss

[dim moth]

okay cool

[hardy maple]

you say that like its a bad thing I loved it, though I will never fight demon of hatred again

[foggy phoenix]

It took me until Genichiro round 2 electric boogaloo before I realized.

[foggy phoenix]

Yeah, screw that.

[novel oracle]

considering how hard it sweeped every award that exists
i think the game might be good and you should play it

[tropic crag]

my fav "hahah rhythym game now" moment was the secret ending of drakengard that branches off into nier lore

[broken moss]

perhaps. I just don't know if it's "interesting enough"

[lapis raft]

i grabbed e33 because everyone praised it and its very fun but the exploration part almost kills the experience for me

[main wagon]

Gyobu had so much aura, every one of his voice actors earned their paychecks

[foggy lantern]

Smack Dealer

[broken moss]

I've heard it can be.. droning

[novel oracle]

why is it not interesting enough

[main wagon]

MY NAAAAAME

[foggy phoenix]

It took me so long to learn how to fight the purple ninja troops around Ashina that I genuinely thought I was being brickwalled by the game

[compact oyster]

cole the noob not shooting to remover shields

[lapis raft]

as far as worldbuilding and exploration goes it do not comes even remotely close to something like bg3 like its not even in same universe

[tropic crag]

the praise made me want to treat it like i do other games that get that much praise from certain sources... i'll wait and play it in 4 years and if its actually good i'll still have a fun time during a game release drought

[broken moss]

I said I don't know if it is. I really need to watch some gameplay. it's one of those things that caught my eye but hasn't really given me the fever

[novel oracle]

this is the recording of my literal first run of the boss ever

[compact oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124335205650538509/1283126260775784529/bonk_loop.gif

[foggy phoenix]

And then the red ones showed up and told me "haha, I hope you bash your head trying to kill the dual katana internal ministry troops"

[novel oracle]

well i mean i just posted the first boss

[foggy lantern]

In my own sooong!

Yeah... oh yeah,
Yeah... oh yeah...

[compact oyster]

you should know all of the game mechanics the moment you play

[tropic crag]

what kind of noob has a first boss run

pros all start on their 3rd at least

[broken moss]

yea I've seen some fight scenes but I'm more interested in the "day to day" so to speak. like how things play out between bosses and what the actual gameplay is besides the fights

[compact oyster]

i do think you would like nioh cole

[compact oyster]

i think the gameplay between bosses is cool

[broken moss]

it looked very cutscene heavy in the stuff I've watched

[vale garden]

nioh feels like ds2

[tropic crag]

i've had nioh 1 and 2 for like... years and never played either

[broken moss]

nioh was nuts

[tropic crag]

DS2 is a great game with some terrible sections to it

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/nioh-plink-cat-gif-8644608938557678788

[vale garden]

good but lots of borderline bullshit for difficulties sake

[wise sorrel]

does "Long Lasting" apply to effects you get from a chem box? what about Blessed Stims?

[compact oyster]

i havent had any issues with nioh 2 this time even though i die in 3 hits

just gotta dodge and block

learn ki pulses

learn flux

learn your moveset

learn moves with iframes

learn burst counters

learn onmyo magic

[viscid pivot]

this has nothing to do with hivescum at all

[compact oyster]

learn enemy movesets

[tropic crag]

longform git gud

[viscid pivot]

who's down for some missions

[lost ravine]

become proficient

[grand jewel]

this is zealot chat 2

[lost ravine]

seek expertise

[grand jewel]

get used to it

[tropic crag]

hivescum probably have trouble staying on track when talking about anything so i think this is hivescum releated talks tbh

[compact oyster]

nioh 1 is like so SO much harder than nioh 2

[foggy phoenix]

Nay.
Psyker chat, but with half the complexity

[novel oracle]

the story, visuals, and music is stellar
they heavily spice up how you kit out your character out with their build with pictos, various effects like halve damage taken, but cant be healed, +crit chance on burning enemies, 50% chance to deal either 50% or 200% damage, and winning fights with them lets you slot them into other characters within a weighted budget you can expand with materials
exploring around nets you these pictos and materials, as well as new weapons with effects that heavily change how you may play around that characters combat mechanic
theres plenty of puzzles and minigames found in other parts of the world too

[viscid pivot]

fair 😭

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/agathasbike-homelander-gif-3664486938523379369

[compact oyster]

because the devs found it funny to put a boss as your second story mission which can paralyze you with almost all of its atacks

[manic wolf]

This truly is Zealot chat 2.0

[novel oracle]

its cuz im here

i literally started this convo about other games

[grand jewel]

hi here

welcome

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-you-gif-8690903

[viscid pivot]

howdy

[tropic crag]

i assumed it just added 5 seconds to any stimm effect at all, tho maybe i'm wrong and dumb

[foggy lantern]

No, and possibly; For stimm supply, it lasts for the duration of the box while in its radius. No interaction with Long Lasting.

Long Lasting doesn't affect med stimms, but affects all other types afaik.

[viscid pivot]

esquie my beloved

[compact oyster]

i dont think the esquie plush is as big as the ingame version

[mighty belfry]

Friends, I do wish to say. The sky is in fact above us all.

[tropic crag]

this feels like biomutant based youtube poop

[compact oyster]

it is you who shall be annihilated!

[hardy maple]

https://tenor.com/view/no-this-is-a-bucket-gasp-no-way-gif-18649024

[main wagon]

I’m so sad that game was hot ass

[compact oyster]

clair obscur also has some pretty funny moments

[novel oracle]

wheres the iconic scene

[main wagon]

E33 has some hysterical moments to balance out the times it’ll make you cry

[novel oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GxVLYojOiK8

[tropic crag]

yeah i didn't try it until more recently and... it has just... alot of problems getting in the way of fun

[broken moss]

how much time in, say, a 2 hour window is cutscenes? and how "linear" does it feel?

[novel oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ppZs_tujI

7 hours

[rough peak]

rookie numbers

[broken moss]

like for me, there's times when I want an interactive movie but I'm just not in that mode currently lol

[rough peak]

[novel oracle]

they are really good tho

[compact oyster]

the cutscenes are amazing

[broken moss]

7 hours

holy shit

[novel oracle]

i dont think they overstay their welcome

[broken moss]

how many hours was mgs4?

[hardy maple]

it has main areas you get through that usually open up into a small open world area that have many branching side areas that then you can go to the amin path area after exploring enough to then open up into another open area etc

[lilac ermine]

Id watch that..

[compact oyster]

9 hours

[hardy maple]

its like tiny tinas wonderlands wasy its map worked

[novel oracle]

yeah but i also fought a boss earlier than i should have and it took 30 minutes straight

[compact oyster]

play it instead mes ami

[lilac ermine]

I watch rdr2 20hr cutscenes

[broken moss]

having done the boss medal in mgs4 I can tell you the "game" is definitely beatable in 3.5 hours but it's like a 60 hour game

[hardy maple]

the real question is if it makes sense with just cutscenes

[lilac ermine]

Too busy in dt

[rough peak]

Sprong:

[compact oyster]

death stranding 1 with its 11 hours

[broken moss]

ok so still somewhat open

[compact oyster]

no

[novel oracle]

i dont think it will

[lilac ermine]

Those arent just cutscenes prob

[tropic crag]

RDR2 is the most "this is a movie not a game" a game has ever felt to me, like even when you're playing it feels like it puts its presentation over the actual game play (i love the game tho this isn't me calling it bad)

[novel oracle]

theres plenty of moments where important stuff happens in actual gameplay

[compact oyster]

the game has alot of exposition and lore that arent told within cutscenes

[lilac ermine]

They are game movie bc they include gameplay and dialogue in it

[hardy maple]

do you think i described it well enough @novel oracle

[mighty belfry]

Someone hasn't played Metal Gear Solid 4

[broken moss]

yea that's another cutscene heavy game

but it's enjoyable when you have that itch

[compact oyster]

yeah

[hardy maple]

Its been awhile since a game has really hit me like the end to RDR2 did

[novel oracle]

yeah pretty much

[lilac ermine]

RDR2 is best game of decade

[tropic crag]

i have alot, that doesn't feel like a movie, it feels like a kojima art exibition like all his work tends to lol, its got the same vibe as when you go to a contemporary art place and they have an interactive exhibit

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/lorien-testard-clair-obscur-expedition-33-dance-happy-gif-4956720800313520538

[final temple]

https://youtu.be/NgdZqPEZWsE?si=-uaMKlZk_YUYVWDy

[broken moss]

ah the original

[novel oracle]

the ending of clair obscur has probably been one of the best endings to a game in a long time and i cant even tell you anything as to why it was good other than it is because that would completely ruin the ending

[compact oyster]

cant wait for death stranding 2 to come on pc

ive grown to love ds1

[broken moss]

back when you had to unplug your controller and remove the memory card to interact with the mechanics

[compact oyster]

the story in its entirety is just amazing

[mighty belfry]

Death Stranding 2 is

An experience

[hardy maple]

i want it, i need it

[tropic crag]

same... just pretending i'm not waiting for it because the wait is terrible... i like death stranding more than the mgs series tbh

[hardy maple]

i want Ghost of Yotei on my PC too

[broken moss]

good endings are crucial

[final temple]

https://youtu.be/O91YcZWcUVY?si=pIvnJ_FjHD9XdbsV tell me that isn’t the wildest form of exposition in a game ever.

[compact oyster]

finally being able to use guns since there are robot enemies

ive also seen nothing of the story lmao

[broken moss]

after the first death stranding I just can't

[compact oyster]

this game is so stupid sometimes lmao

[hardy maple]

a good ending can make what would be just an okay game into something people remember fondly in the future

[compact oyster]

clair obscur has it all

good visuals good gameplay good music and a good story

[hardy maple]

oh i know im on the final act

[lilac ermine]

Alan wake has best musical in game

[tropic crag]

to me this is a sign of a bad ending, i've never seen a good ending that can actually be ruined by knowing it before the story

[broken moss]

bro what the fuck is this

[novel oracle]

the gestrals

[hardy maple]

its Clair Obscure

[compact oyster]

trust me it will genuinely ruin your experience

the game is best experienced blind

[broken moss]

alrighty then

[novel oracle]

because it ruins everything before

[rough peak]

The best part about clair obscure is when you find the next boss that you shouldn't be fighting that 1 shots your entire party

[mighty belfry]

Clair Obscur is a game you genuinely don't want to be spoiled for

[compact oyster]

the story is integral to fully enjoy the game

[tropic crag]

then its a bad ending, its like twists. if your movie is ever ruined by an audience member knowing the twist before the viewing then you've failed to make a good twist and just put in something as a shock reveal to trick viewers into thinking it was good

[novel oracle]

this game is literally the silliest thing half the time
https://youtu.be/4Y1hlFTxguw?si=IsdPE7w-uMmXz18T

[compact oyster]

pink sheep

[broken moss]

this is another thing I heard. that is places some steep difficulty cliffs in weird areas

[hardy maple]

it definitely makes it harder, i went in with an IDEA of what it could be (I was right) I wouldnt say it ruined my experience it just changed how i read into things happening and saw them I think its incredible either way

[mighty belfry]

Because part of what makes it so good is how it completely throws your expectations for a loop when you least expect it.

[compact oyster]

clair obscur is a traditional turn based rpg

and takes heavy inspiration from ff8

[tropic crag]

FF8 ending is a great example of a good ending and good twist that doesn't ruin anything by knowing it before hand

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/gustave-expedition33-clairobscur-clairobscurexpedition33-clair-gif-15640863854440752266

[tropic crag]

i was so dumb because i didn't like ff8 when it first came out, played it later as an adult and its just... one of the best final fantasy games

[mighty belfry]

...but a twist never has the same oomph to it if you see it coming.

This game rides on those twists.

[compact oyster]

its the favourite final fantasy game of the director too

[hardy maple]

Id say you get a different kind of enjoyment being able to see how they hinted at it before hand

its always foreshadowed somehow

[tropic crag]

if you rely on the oomph to the point where your story has something taken away from it then its not a good story

[hardy maple]

always its like a chief storytelling principle or something

[broken moss]

the infamous fetch quest. "I'll help you save the world. if you go fetch me a rock"

[tropic crag]

its got an amazing story

[hardy maple]

except Esquie isnt lying

[frigid thorn]

Is this build good for the TacAxe? moved some stuff around on Cole's build to skip the blackout grenades and pick up sample collector instead

[novel oracle]

my archnemesis stole it
françois
hes my neighbor, over there

[final temple]

I knew about one of the major influences on clair obscure and thought I knew what it was about. turns out, I should have stuck with dark souls 3

[tropic crag]

yeah, any good story worth anything will craft the story so there is value even if you have the knowledge like how you are saying. I'm not saying there isn't value in a first time impact of a twist or something but that it should never be so overshadowing of the rest of the art as to "ruin it"

[mighty belfry]

Tbf I don't think that's truly the implication. That it just ruins the entire story.

[hardy maple]

Almost everything Esquie says sounds like gibberish if you're just listening, but if you think about it they're actually saying some wise shit

[broken moss]

I mean they typically aren't ever lying. it's just the most trivial, mundane shit you can think of.. being placed between you and saving the universe from annihilation or some shit fetch quests are ridiculous. but I get it. not too many ways to motivate people to go places

[hardy maple]

i loved esquie

[brittle sierra]

why do you have toxin?

[lapis raft]

noone likes people who spoil stuff, regardless of how impactful you think the spoilers are

[mighty belfry]

But for some, given the kind of game it is, it can definitely worsen the experience. It doesn't actually take away from how good the story is.

[tropic crag]

i wasn't saying to go around saying endings randomly, but more the exact wording of "it will ruin it" lol

[mighty belfry]

Some stories really are just better experienced blind imho

And Clair Obscur fits the bill for that criteria.

[final temple]

both the inspiration I talked about and clair obscure are experiences just as much as they are carefully crafted narratives. you cheapen your own enjoyment if you let yourself get spoiled.

[hardy maple]

Im sorry guys, Darth Vader is...... Working with the empire!

[novel oracle]

maybe you shouldnt worsen the narrative experience of both the narrative goty and overall goty

[lapis raft]

yea i guess thats exaggeration but it still makes the experience much worse

[frigid thorn]

Better to not have it?

[tropic crag]

i think its a sign of lacking media literacy if it cheapens your enjoyment. Part of that literacy is suspension of certain pieces of knowledge, part of it is what you are actually gaining from the media. Its almost insulting to say that an understanding of a piece of art cheapens ones experience of it... it should only grow with understanding otherwise the art is failing in some way (thats not to say bad art isn't great and can't be enjoyed still, i love bad art)

[frigid thorn]

I was reading above about the toxin stuff enabling the toxin mania

But wasn't sure if it's better to just skip it lol

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/gustave-maelle-true-truth-truth-nuke-gif-4485925206111778755

[novel oracle]

crit on toxin works well on taxe cuz it has innate crit chance and swings fast
with float, stat node, and innate class and taxe crit chance youre at

[frigid thorn]

I know Cole's build is built around the blackout grenades that trigger the toxin but I can never seem to regenerate them properly

[novel oracle]

like what

[compact oyster]

cole wanna see something fnny

[novel oracle]

47% crit chance

[tropic crag]

gotta be agressive be be agressive

[novel oracle]

what

[compact oyster]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07cfd7f-3ef9-4deb-8bad-904d7c6400fd/spicys-crack-axe

[frigid thorn]

I am!!! I just think the toxins are stealing my kills lmao

[compact oyster]

this is the same dude that made the havoc 40 zealot meta build

this dude cant buildcraft to save his life