hivescum-class

[north meteor]

literally awful player

[winter tusk]

Time to create team ventrilocord to replace discord

[tranquil fjord]

its not that complex but its engaging enough

[sturdy linden]

Yes but it us also without +carapace

[livid raven]

even with carapace it would be pretty low damage for the blood

[winter tusk]

Helps to compress videos as small as you can, discord has a hard time loading anything over the size nitro actually allows

[lapis raft]

time to revert back to gifs those at least load

[dim moth]

I like this mod it gives me funny numbers to stare about

[lapis raft]

[dim moth]

but yeah bleed does fuck all to crushers

[winter tusk]

It won't even load higher quality gifs sometimes

[north saddle]

It's a must have for me on my scriers gaze melee psyker builds.

But outside of the constant toughness regen due to gaze, i need a weapon that gets me outta dodge quickly and the knife is undefeated for that.

[lilac ermine]

Is that mod work with scoreboard

Like seperate from

[sturdy linden]

Hmmm idk it was like 70+ ticks initially before petering off. I agree it isn't huge or anything but it's def contributing to the kill

[dim moth]

I don't know I don't use scoreboard because it's bad and ugly

I use power DI

which it does work with

[broken moss]

works alongside scoreboard just fine

[lapis raft]

that mod is not replacement for scoreboard or anything so yea you can just use both

[exotic temple]

I like the special for I just don’t feel like dealing with you button

[winter tusk]

Does power di doodoo on performance

[lilac ermine]

Ok what f button is it binded on

[north meteor]

DB gonna have to add support to scoreboard smh

[lilac ermine]

My scoreboard is like f5

[winter tusk]

My game crashes if I try to open my scoreboard history, too many

[dim moth]

unbound by default

I put mine on numpad1

[lapis raft]

i refuse to add tracking for other players thats not why i made the mod 😢

also it wuld be too much data probably anywawy

to be smooth

[lilac ermine]

Okok

[north meteor]

yea I'm trolling lol

I think my game would actually break

it doesn't even run great with some of the other mods I use

I've had scoreboard crash my game multiple times in the past

[lapis raft]

it actually has very small overhead (outside of memory) when you disable the hud overlay there, with the hud overlay its a bit more because it needs to recalculate the overall data more often

but the hud overlay is cool so i keep it on :d

[dim moth]

but yeah I like seeing combat stats and immediately being validated that flesh tearer knives are actually good seeing that 25% of my DoT damage is bleed

from flesh tearer

[sturdy linden]

Dunno how you're getting 25%, i only got it to around 15-17%

[dim moth]

I have 100% crit chance and a cleave talent

[north meteor]

oh yea is it in your github? I'll probably just drag from it

[sturdy linden]

Me too (i think, on the crit)

[dim moth]

also quick and deadly instead of tertium welcome

[lapis raft]

i put it on nexsumods even https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/661 :d

[north meteor]

DB was getting like 13% from it

[dim moth]

because that applies 15% bonus damage to the DoTs as well

[sturdy linden]

[dim moth]

unless I'm reading this wrong I got 24.5% of my DoT damage as bleed

and the rest chem tox obv

[lapis raft]

sometimes i get like 20%-ish as well but also my toxin damage is usually way higher compared to my melee damage

[lapis raft]

yea thats right

[dim moth]

was a monstrous specialists mission

so that might have contributed

cause they don't just die to hyper crit

[sturdy linden]

Might be that yeah

[north meteor]

if its consistently 25%, I'd keep flesh tearer on

[sturdy linden]

Because in regular missions even with all the crit I can fit I never got more than 17%

[north meteor]

I bet its difference between only using shivs vs also using your needle pistol stacks

[dim moth]

I am using uh

bolt pistol

for larger blinder explosions

[north meteor]

Yea

if you were using needle, it would be way more toxin damage

[lapis raft]

oh yea i had way higher bleed split when there were no ammo drops so couldnt use needle pistol :d

[north meteor]

so makes your bleed smaller

[lapis raft]

so without needler at all makes sense i guess

[north meteor]

maybe it is worth

idk how much uncanny does in comparison though

[lapis raft]

without uncanny my melee was consistently a lot lower than buff damage at least

like 35/65 split or so

with uncanny its like 55/45

with needler

[north meteor]

ah

[lapis raft]

so felt impactful at least

[undone sorrel]

Scriers gaze is so good now

[lapis raft]

but now im running knife with stimm crate to be the most useless person i can be :d

[north meteor]

toxic

[lapis raft]

so im bcak to dots being most of my damage

[undone sorrel]

Felt like the food inspector from rattatouille after eating the food when i first tried scriers

[sturdy linden]

Oh right i use needle pistol

[lapis raft]

i feel like i play better with knife ngl i like its moveset too much

[sturdy linden]

Maybe that's why my, %bleed is lower

[north meteor]

I like knife, but I enjoy the feel of shivs. I'd honestly run shivs on zealot if I could lol

[lapis raft]

shivs on zealot would be pretty fun ngl

but also was trying that uuh

[clever wren]

Shivfield for the true shade experience

[broken moss]

the "feel" of shivs is finger numbing lmb spam

[lapis raft]

3rd person mod, and man do i hate looking at shiv light attack spam moveset xd

it looks so silly

[visual surge]

So, are the ideal attack chains for Hive Scum's unique melees jotted down anywhere or am I just blind

[north meteor]

see I don't really do that, idk

I play it exactly like I play knife. I guess because I'm used it

[north meteor]

idk if I could play 3rd person

[broken moss]

there's nothing else to do like trying to mix in heavies is actually a DPS loss in most cases. what else is there?

[lapis raft]

its unplayable in dark maps because the flashlight doesnt wwork at all in 3rd person

[north meteor]

I think thats more of a HS problem right?

[lapis raft]

but otherwise kinda fun

[north meteor]

oof

[lapis raft]

just judging distance with something like shivs and knife is very hard

but i actually prefer shooting in 3rd person a lot more ngl

[north meteor]

I'd get overheaded from behind a lot less

but I'd feel really weird melee in 3rd person for sure

[lilac ermine]

Is heavies benefit from attack speed

When I heavy in rampage it feels as slow as normal

Or do I need to let go in perfect time

[lapis raft]

i just have the 3rd person toggle bound to C and just toggle between atm for fun, kinda works

[north meteor]

honestly toggle to check behind is kinda OP

I still need to get guaranteed weapon swap mod for when I play psyker

[broken moss]

yea. why most don't use that mod

besides the moral debate of a 3ps mod I think maintaining fps makes the game feel more engaging. same reason I prefer overwatch over rivals. something about being 3ps takes you out of the moment.

[lapis raft]

im mostly used to 3rd person from hd2, i think it kinda works better for horde shooters

[north meteor]

ngl I don't really understand a lot of the "moral debates" in this game

[lavish forge]

Anyone tried the scout build yet? Desperado with dbshotgun?

[icy scaffold]

I’ve heard it works, think I’d prefer bolt pistol though

[lapis raft]

but melee in first person is def a lot more enjoyable

[dense hollow]

it's a little more engaging than most desperado builds

but it's still a desperado build

[north meteor]

I don't use the mods that people deem as cheating, but not really because I don't want to. More so I just go for QoL. I do use Health bars though, and I don't really care if people think its cheating lmao

[icy scaffold]

Revolver desperado is pretty funny

[livid raven]

There is another mod that illuminates your surroundings

Maybe that one works in third person

[lapis raft]

hmm i can try, any idea how its called? searching for anything on nexus mods sucks for some reason

[livid raven]

Light of the emperor i think?

[lilac ermine]

Emperors light

[livid raven]

Yeah

[lapis raft]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/626 this?

[limber cradle]

Can you turn off join in progress? I swear that used to be an option.

[lilac ermine]

👍

[broken moss]

it really doesn't matter outside of credibility in the sense of, if someone got stuff like 3ps, Spidey sense, skitarii, etc all loaded up and go do h40 content they can't accurately portray their experience or skill as being the same as someone doing that same content without those assists. like misterE. dudes game is so modded, giving him so much information nobody else has and practically strategizing for him that I don't really take his skill seriously. I don't know if he could survive that difficulty without them.

[livid raven]

Prog?

[limber cradle]

Progress

[livid raven]

Oh i misread

[lapis raft]

that looks pretty cool yea, was worried it wowuld just be mod that wwould just light up everything, will try thanks

[north meteor]

progenesis ifykyk

[grand jewel]

yes

no

maybe

hope this helps

[limber cradle]

Thanks, very useful

[north meteor]

Yea fair

[grand jewel]

but no I don't think ive seen it be an option

just turning off battle for tertium

[limber cradle]

I might be confusing it with another game ngl, I'm just kinda sick of joining lost causes

[grand jewel]

yeah

or most of the way through when you just wanted a run

[livid raven]

i love joining games and get hit with the mission failed screen

[limber cradle]

Yeah, when the loading screens are longer than you gameplay

[grand jewel]

yeah lmao

[limber cradle]

Ts is uniquely tilting

[livid raven]

it's even worse because the game doesn't seem to like that and then locks up for like 2 minutes

[limber cradle]

Yeah

Cause its playing their death scene

So you just have to fuckin sit there

[livid raven]

makes sense

[north meteor]

yea I hate this

[dim moth]

no way I bet if I was using bonesaw I'd have higher tox damage too

consignment yard nurgle blessed hunting grounds

still 24.2% of my DoT damage is bleed

[tranquil berry]

50k out of 900... not all that impressive

bleed is... questionable...

[sullen ridge]

they gave hive scum toxin so you wouldnt have to use a worse DoT

why reject the green

[broken moss]

bleed used to feel so good

idk what kind of nerfs it got but it does not feel the way it did when I first started

I think ainz may have been the one that mentioned that removed or changed how it interacted with adms or something

[rare stirrup]

Bleed used to feel so good, but then they added toxin.........

[dim moth]

also lmao what's a cooldown

[broken moss]

toxin today doesn't hold a candle to what bleed used to do

pretty close though

[trim wind]

bleed has not changed in a very very long time

[broken moss]

when I started I loaded up a bolter with bleed, shot a crusher a few times and watched it's hp evaporate from bleed

massive ticks

maybe it's just HP changes over time. idk. but now I flat don't use bleed on much of anything

[tranquil berry]

burn got nerfed even harder

[leaden fable]

Crushers have like twice the HP they once did

[tranquil berry]

dot adms killed most dots without massive amounts of uncanny stacking

[trim wind]

burn has also not changed

[tranquil berry]

then chems came along and power crept the world again

[broken moss]

I'm sure that contributes but it does feel like less than even half what if used to do

[tranquil berry]

but burn got massively nerfed when adms for dots were adjusted, max stacks were dropped on various applications

[broken moss]

but IDK it's been a while so memory may not be serving correctly. I just know it used to be my concrete bolter mod. now I don't even consider it

[trim wind]

the last thing that affected bleed dmg was uhhh...when they made it not stack infinitely like 3 years ago

[lapis raft]

bleed should get extra damage multi when enemy is moving totally not referencing mechanic from some other game :d

[dense hollow]

still sane, exile?

[tranquil berry]

wonder if we'll get other dots scaled up again to match tox in a massive new power creep, cause fatshark is afraid to nerf

[north saddle]

True and i use it for most of my builds but for those where i dont, i like the knifes Mobility

[fallen void]

darktide has roblox game level balancing because fym the ranged class that's better than the other 2 ranged classes is paywalled

[tranquil berry]

heh... he used the words darktide and balance in the same sentence... funny zealot....

[lilac ermine]

Runescape

[dim moth]

hive scum is actually lower damage output than gun veteran

they just have infinite ammo so they win out over time

[high gull]

Power creep never changes

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-lucy-dogmeat-falloutshow-vaultboy-gif-13511493015101694424

[broken moss]

blood seeker

[tranquil berry]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

[dim moth]

seregios

[tranquil berry]

sorry... that came out...

[broken moss]

don't worry, when crushers slide forward mid-overhead to cheese you, that won't count as movement

[dim moth]

yeah obv it's an attack not movement

we playin' LANCER in this house

[fallen void]

the rocket launcher in question

[dim moth]

worse into bosses than kraks because it takes longer to pull out and fire (and also doesn't regenerate so it can't justify shooting them)

better into big armor packs but again...doesn't regenerate

[high gull]

I meaaan

A rocket launcher with tox talent can kill a pack of havoc 40 crushers with rott armor

Das all I need in my life

[dim moth]

yeah because that's what you use the rockets for like I said in the second message DID YOU EVEN READ

[high gull]

Aye pipe down

[fallen void]

what does viscosity indicate on the custom stim

[high gull]

Before I slap yo ass with a wet waffle

[dense hollow]

the bigger your viscosity the bigger the cooldown

[dim moth]

you slap me with a wet waffle it's coming away perfectly cooked from how hot I am

[high gull]

[lilac ermine]

Are they adding more enemys

[high gull]

I mean no one here is gonna know the answer

And if they do

They're more than likely bound by NDA to not say anything

[dense hollow]

maybe once a year

[dim moth]

yeah they're adding a new enemy called the Scab Radio Operator as part of a one off event, and he'll be added to the penances only to disappear when the event is gone

[lilac ermine]

What if they add more infested enemy and make them immune to cc

[dim moth]

not from the penances though :)

[lilac ermine]

Like infested giant

[high gull]

Isn't that just havoc enemies...

[lilac ermine]

Havoc crusher can still be knocked around

[woeful hill]

Half of the current rotation of modifiers are stun immunity

Final toll plus stims

1/4 of the stims are stagger immunity

[limber cradle]

I want to know what asshole sitting in FS HQ is coming up with the modifiers for this game tbh

[lilac ermine]

Rn infested isnt have many enemies

[woeful hill]

Blight exists

So there is no god

[limber cradle]

I hate the blight spreads sm

[woeful hill]

I've been running Dclaw and las gun just to ignore melee

[limber cradle]

I had a blight spreads+pox gas mission earlier

And i thought to myself

"Whoever thought this was reasonable should die"

[dim moth]

pox gas is worse than blight spreads

at least you can mitigate blight spreads with corruption aura, or scum stimm box now

[limber cradle]

Pox gas is the worst modifier in the entire fuckin game

[woeful hill]

Final toll is the best designed modifier, after that it's all downhill

[dim moth]

yeah I love final toll

[lilac ermine]

Is there sometimes no safe spots for pox gas

[dim moth]

banger modifier

[lilac ermine]

Or always there is

[limber cradle]

If I'm gonna do something I consider unfun I'm just playing rebreather arb

[dim moth]

I think every pox gas has a safe spot but some of the safe spots are actively deathtraps

[high gull]

I love how the response to this game's bullshit is

[tranquil berry]

if I'm gonna play something I hate and consider unfun I'll just play darktide...

[high gull]

"Oh hey is this unfair"

Just go arby

[dim moth]

by being too small, and being completely out in the open

[high gull]

[dim moth]

Or way the fuck in a back corner nobody has ever intentionally visited on the map

[limber cradle]

Mechanic ignorer

[lilac ermine]

Is there maps of those safe spots

That someone made

[limber cradle]

Pox Gas has me learning new areas of maps I've played since release ngl

[dim moth]

it's the one good thing about the modifier

but then you're forced to stand still for 40 seconds, walk forward 5 feet and oopsies pox gas time to go stand around for 40 seconds again

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[dim moth]

if you try to keep pushing through pox gas there's no cooldown so you have to do it again and again

and that's just not sustainable

[limber cradle]

Just play arb and pretend the gas doesnt exist lmfao

Stupid class

[dim moth]

stupid class but I will accept its evil to counteract a greater evil

[limber cradle]

Agreed

I do have the joys of listening to Fatalist tho

So there is that

[dim moth]

and havoc pox gas has the GALL to also spawn tox bomber swarms, and have more tox bombers

that shit is worse than any of the other havoc modifiers

and it doesn't even count as one of the two modifiers for the mission

[lilac ermine]

Rebreather arbiter should share with nearby team

[limber cradle]

Nah, pay 12 dolla to ignore the modifier

[plucky nymph]

Yall tried new mark bolt pistol? Its fun

Bolt pistol alt mark vs uzi. Obvs uzi better but it’s a great compliment to the uzis (mostly duo h40, one player literally never touched havoc)

[dim moth]

new bolt pistol mark is bolt pistol but worse

truly a revolutionary addition

[lilac ermine]

How is uzi scum do so much boss dmg

[plucky nymph]

Its for clearing trash and elites same time and stagger spams them

[limber cradle]

You can just mag dump them

[plucky nymph]

We are doing a BoN and twins and cspawn in a small area, bolt pistols making it safe to kite

[lilac ermine]

I usually run out ammo cus I never pick any up

[limber cradle]

BoN is like piss easy to kill with Desp Uzis or Vraks ime

[lapis raft]

my fav weapon on knife zealot and vet, did not tried on scum yet

[limber cradle]

Press desperado

Magically generate ammo

Problem solved

[lilac ermine]

Ik just high cd

[plucky nymph]

Not with cspawn and twins up in a tight area

[dim moth]

press cooldown stim

magically generate desperado

problem solved

[limber cradle]

Aye

[lilac ermine]

I never get in games long enough to get 2 million damage

[limber cradle]

Its like having a cigarette in rdr

[dim moth]

bad for you

[limber cradle]

But it feels so good

[dim moth]

my marston and arthur were HEALTHY

and DID NOT ENGAGE IN VICES

until uh

well

anyways

[limber cradle]

Uh huh

Bet you wish you smoked them cigs now lmfao

What're they gonna do

Die of old age with lung cancer?

[plucky nymph]

This was mostly bc it was a duo but in general you can with uzis because they’re just that overtuned if you get the right spawn seed and teammates without a lot of dmg output xD

[dim moth]

it has to happen to somebody in the 40K universe, and it ain't gonna be me

[limber cradle]

If i was in 40k I'd smoke through two lighters a day

[lilac ermine]

I duo with plasma vet sometimes maybe they kind of work same as bolt pistol scum

[plucky nymph]

Like the new mark sure feels bad fighting things but it’s mostly supporty, stagger locking most things and clearing bullshit (basically impossible to get body blocked, which is how good scums die imo)

I just didnt realize it actually puts in work too xD

[lilac ermine]

I saw someone using it as last alive it looks good as support they were keeping trapper from netting them

[plucky nymph]

I accidentally stoppd a lot of specials from doing their attacks it was funny

[acoustic sable]

Do you guys have recommendations for which blessings to take for my shivs?

[lilac ermine]

With needle gun cant rlly stop trapper or flamer from shooting

[limber cradle]

Uncanny/Riposte ime

[dim moth]

the generic ones would be uncanny+riposte

[lapis raft]

yea i use uncanny riposte too

[dim moth]

the GAMER options would be flesh tearer+riposte :)

for TRUE scum gamers

[acoustic sable]

I like the idea of applying bleed. Just another damage over time effect which i imagine has some great synergy with the poison dots the knife and needle pistol inflict

[winter tusk]

Bleeds actually kind bad generally

Kinda

[trim wind]

if you can apply alot of it at once it's not bad

[dim moth]

I don't know about synergy but it's neat

[trim wind]

but going full bleed knife ain't it

[winter tusk]

I guess for trash, but the dot isn't good

[dim moth]

works for me

I hate that I just said that

[trim wind]

you should feel bad about that yea

[limber cradle]

Like 25 percent of your damage is bleed but I want to know what that equates to ttk wise

Cause I read that as

"Bleed eats 25 percent of tox damage"

[lapis raft]

i do flesh tearer riposte on knife mostly beacuse i can not because i should :d

[limber cradle]

Like you'd do the damage with tox anyway

[acoustic sable]

And what perks do you guys normally go for with the shiv? +25% damage to flak and maniac?

[dim moth]

practically speaking tox+bleed will kill any trash enemy I crit regardless of cleave damage

[lapis raft]

but on shivs uncanny riposte just feels way too good to go flesh tearer there

[dim moth]

tox alone doesn't

flesh tearer does

[limber cradle]

I have Unyielding/Cara on tbh

[limber cradle]

Practically speaking if I crit trash it dies and I do not run bleed

[plucky nymph]

I think bleed can be ok if you proc it on an elite pack and they keep body-blocking each other so the ones you applied bleed to maybe are sitting in the back now, but are ticking down

Versus just outright killing one elite where the bleed itself cant shine

[dim moth]

The main reason I keep it on after trying other options is bulwarks

they die to less hits around their shield so I don't have to interact with them

[limber cradle]

Tbh bulwarks don't feel like a massive issue to me on scum

They'll open to blinders and if they don't do that they're too fat and slow and you can just circle strafe em like souls

They're also not gonna chase me down if I move past em to kill gunners cause theyre so fat and slow

[winter tusk]

I find you can just jump over the shield and stab the head sometimes

Not over, but up infront of it

Depends on the angle/height

[dim moth]

and your character height prob

[limber cradle]

I play very tall characters for a reason

[ancient basin]

I play short character so I can hide behind the small boxes as full cover

[limber cradle]

The fuck is cover?

I'm sliding at them

They can't hit me

[fallen void]

does hypercrit activate if im hitting armor

[limber cradle]

Anything human sized

Works on maulers if that's what you're asking

[fallen void]

oh amazing

i was gonna ask

if despite functionally doing fuckall damage i can instakill the mauler

[limber cradle]

Hypothetically yes

[vast yoke]

does this affect syringe pistol damage

[tender marten]

nnnnnnyyyyyynnyeeeesssnnn't?

[fallen void]

https://tenor.com/view/67-67-kid-edit-analog-horror-phonk-gif-3349401281762803381

wait its perfect

https://tenor.com/view/61-41-67-61-new-meme-61-meme-gif-4909211002993893210

[tight musk]

You mean toxin? Yes, but only when you hold the pistol in your hand.

[rare stirrup]

what does focused resolve even do?

[tight musk]

Decreases cooldown a little?

[rare stirrup]

but at most 5 seconds right?

[rotund agate]

yes

[rotund agate]

idk why people would ever take Focused Resolve, when the max CDR it can ever give it just 5 secs and CDR from stim and/or chem dependency is better...

[limber cradle]

Desp with a mono Klay stimm is nice tbh

[astral canyon]

What should i do for running chaxe on a rampage build

[woeful hill]

Headtaker/slaughter

Thrust if you want some more single target

[astral canyon]

What about combos

[woeful hill]

I don't remember

[rare stirrup]

fml

just lost a game because my headphones ran out of charge and i got jumped by a burster from behind

[tight musk]

How am I getting flame psykers who struggle to kill enemies? How does that even happen?

[limber cradle]

I have had a slew of god awful psykers even since the dumbass Mr E video about smyker being meta

[lilac ermine]

GUys why is ppl leave so much in maelstrom when they go down

[radiant swift]

Mk12 is just light spam

and heavies (revved or not) for single

[prime cape]

penance :/

[leaden fable]

Mk4 is heavies for horde, light spam for elites, heavy rev for crushers and bosses

[radiant swift]

it's push attacks are pretty good too

on both of them really

[lilac ermine]

What penance

[radiant swift]

the mk12's has really high finesse damage or something, but it does a lot of damage and it's really nice for quickly dealing with isolated elites

[leaden fable]

Mk12 lights always felt like I was beating things with a parking meter

[fallen void]

dump stats on pistols and shivs respectively?

[leaden fable]

Mobility

[fallen void]

ok

[clever wren]

Quicker to queue into another match than wait for rescue

[lilac ermine]

Ik but ppl dont do that in havoc

[leaden fable]

Randoms don't fall back so you spawn miles ahead

[clever wren]

Yeah because you can't just requeue in havoc

[leaden fable]

Also havoc punishes you for leaving, unlike standard matches

[main trellis]

Usually its a lack of understanding; ability is worded better what it provides

[leaden fable]

Many people feel self conscious about going down early too and might think their team is better off with a bot

[clever wren]

Also I wonder if someone's connection times out or game crashes, do they leave the game instantly or do they stand there and die, then drop from the game

[clever wren]

Possibly trying to save it by having a live bot replace them

[main trellis]

Its called
Can’t take an L attitude

[leaden fable]

I did this yesterday lol

[lilac ermine]

Sometimes bots is better

[leaden fable]

Other hive scum had top damage, was the last alive, and went down

[lilac ermine]

They unnetted me when both my teammates walk past me

[main trellis]

sometimes
Usually its already gone

[rare stirrup]

should i drop something for burst of energy?

[vast yoke]

perfect, i'm unironically running a syringe pistol desperado build lmao

it works which is bizarre

so much so im plugging speedload on it LMAO

wonder if its bugged like gloryhunter

[alpine junco]

Drop more ranged dodges for less toughness damage if you want

The build is pretty prrfect

[vast yoke]

i wonder if i should run toxic mania

prob not

[alpine junco]

Its good with blackouts

[main trellis]

Ye; crit on dodge

[alpine junco]

I cant draw for shit

I think its good enough

[main trellis]

Good idea to take toughness stimm keystone; i dunno why ppl skip it its the best keystone modifier for chem dependency

Foolishness

[alpine junco]

Ye

Hive scum is squishy

[trim wind]

I'm not sure why you'd take dependancy and not take that

[rancid coral]

Well yeah because there's an actual reward for winning havoc (unless you have assignment 40) and an actual punishment for losing (unless you have assignment 40)

[main trellis]

Free 15% tdr AND ability to restore 50% toughness via stimm that recharges

NOPE; not gonna take it

Pepega

[alpine junco]

Every build should take every node that makes it tankier

For hive scum i mean

Which is like

4 nodes

Lmao

[main trellis]

Wdym h40 provides no winning nor losing options?

[rancid coral]

Fuck yes

[rancid coral]

I mean as there's nothing to win or lose if your personal assignment is 40

You can't derank

[main trellis]

In that sense ye

[rancid coral]

You can't win more ranks, at most just get the cache from a 40 mission

[alpine junco]

Stacking 3 stimm buffs has got to be the funniest shit ever

Recoil so low it becomes negative and cranks my gun upwards so hard i shot the morningstar

[main trellis]

You conplete milkman quests
You get more rewards
You don’t feel like you’re sucking dick for losing
Ye… no incentive to win h40

[rancid coral]

I love speedrunning to Havoc 40 when the season starts so I can watch the plebs climb slowly

[main trellis]

[main trellis]

Sadistic

[lapis raft]

nah i will rather skip all the good defensive nodes click triple stam curio and then complain that scum is squishy

[rancid coral]

I prefeer the term joyful

[alpine junco]

The nodes are mandatory BUT i wont say nothing if you go tripple stamina, becuase funni

[dim moth]

oh my god me

[rancid coral]

Who needs defense when you have Vulture's Dodge

And 80% crit chance

[stiff radish]

How does this needle gun work?

[alpine junco]

You shoot shit it dies

[rancid coral]

Shoot evil guy, evil guy gets stacks of toxins

[alpine junco]

1 braincell

[rancid coral]

6 for each hit, 7 for weakspot/crit, 8 for weakspot + crit

Toxin very hurty

Hurt very quickly too

[stiff radish]

It has a yellow and blue mode

[rancid coral]

Yellow is toxins, shared among both variants

Blue is variant dependant

[dim moth]

yellow mode shoots PEE which makes them DIE

blue mode is WATER which makes them EXPLODE

[rancid coral]

Blue is another DoT that will make an enemy explode on death

One mark makes close enemies to the explosion get 1 stack of toxin

The other, lots of stagger

[stiff radish]

I see

[wind crane]

blue aoe, yellow single target

[alpine junco]

This mark... is not real

[plucky nymph]

Needle pistol is good to know your shots to kill, depending on perks its mostly a 2 hit kill on non ogryn elites (or 1 depending on perks) so try not to overshoot a lot bc it has no mag size

Blue is mostly ammo waste bc the aoe sucks, but its really good if enemies are climbing/waterfalling when they can stack in each other

(In h40 idk shots to kill otherwise)

[rancid coral]

Is not what it does? My info is incorrect then

Must kill 5 crushers with combat axe to release frustration

[alpine junco]

No i mean im giving it the pacific rim uprasing treatment

[rancid coral]

ah

[stiff radish]

I assume the bonesaw is just standard melee but it's special ability coats it with toxin?

[sand haven]

Neg. Regular attacks apply the toxin. Alt ability is a different brittleness

it goes to 37.5% and can stack with the normal 40% brittleness

[alpine junco]

Its mehhh

[stiff radish]

Ah-

[alpine junco]

Bonesaw feels icky

[sand haven]

Cause you need more cleave

[alpine junco]

I put every cleave snd it still feels like it stole food from my fridge

Just to throw it out

Bastard

[broken moss]

bonesaw slays

your build is just wrong for it, likely

[north meteor]

when is the reset?

[alpine junco]

Im gonna try the tac axe when i want to go melee

Or go shivs again

[radiant swift]

try the axe

it's nutty

[alpine junco]

Heard

So

At the same time, i need 2 more 3 stamina curios

I MUST reach maximum sttack speef

Spped

Speed

[rancid coral]

Well considering the season started the 2nd

[alpine junco]

Kill mylseld

[rancid coral]

Most likely in march, alongside the next big update

If the big update happens before/after, it'll probably be alligned with that

But it's basically 3 months~ each season

[fallen void]

why is is that when i was leveling my zealot i was doing heresy missions at like level 12 but when going into heresy on level 17 hive scum we always throw

is it luck am i shit at the game or what

[north meteor]

yea I didn't know if it was a monthly reset or not. I just started playing again when HS came out

[rancid coral]

Cuz Zealot has failsafes

[fallen void]

i mean

[rancid coral]

Scum barely has 1 and it helps for 0.2s

[north meteor]

makes sense

[rancid coral]

(excluding combat ability)

[fallen void]

i play with the keystone that rewards me for being a complete idiot

so

yeah probably that

[broken moss]

yea if you like something else you gotta run what you like. but I've found the saw requires a specific setup to excel. you can't throw it on a shiv build and expect it to work well. blessings are important as well. mine outperforms my lobbies quite often

[rancid coral]

It's also the fact that there's a lot of hive scums nowadays

Which 8/10 times they'll be dead weight

So it's even more on you to carry them

Using a class with higher risk than normal

[hazy vector]

Can you guess build

[fallen void]

most of the hive scums i met are cracked as shit with auric storm survivor title

[rancid coral]

Yesterday I was finishing the event as scum, on a full scum team

I had to clutch 3 times, 2 of them being 2 bosses+elite armored pack

[alpine junco]

My teams must love me putting 40 stimm crates every 2 minutes

[hazy vector]

that title does not mean shit since it can be cheesed

[fallen void]

lo

anyway

[fallen void]

im either gonna

[hazy vector]

anyway, combat axe is crazy on melee hs

[fallen void]

become cracked on scum

or lobotomize myself with an eviscerator

the latter is looking a lot more tempting

[alpine junco]

How tf do you get 1 range kill

[rancid coral]

There's also the option to lobotomize yourself as scum with desperado + vulture's dodge

[alpine junco]

Do you not snipe specials?

[rancid coral]

Most braindead way to play Scum xddd

But havoc 40 viable

[fallen void]

I DO THAT

[leaden fable]

That's what teammates are for

[hazy vector]

because toxin kills from needler don't count

[rancid coral]

I do that too as a treat from time to time

[signal nebula]

All of the abilities are H40 viable imo

[alpine junco]

Oh

[hazy vector]

although there were not many of those anyway

[alpine junco]

Damn

[rancid coral]

Rampage is a little ehhhhhhhh

Like sure, you caaan make it work

But why would you

Too much effort when you can be braindead and do more

[signal nebula]

Rampage is cracked man. I've watched 2 guys duo H40 with rampage

[fallen void]

rampage does not seem too good honestly

[sand haven]

How is HS in Mortis Trials?

[signal nebula]

It's very good

[rancid coral]

Rampage is good

[alpine junco]

Rampage taking all my stamina and making me take more damage for a not that big buff makes me want to chew concrete

[fallen void]

zealot except i blow out my knee after charging

[signal nebula]

But it requires you to be good at melee combat and is dangerous

[rancid coral]

The issue is 100% stamina going poof because it's over xdddd

[hazy vector]

+50% melee power not good? Lmao

[signal nebula]

Just stimm

I run full stam/attack move speed/ and full CDR stack

[rancid coral]

Idk why they made it fully drain stamina

[sand haven]

Just get the 10% stam on dodge talent

[rancid coral]

They could've just

[sand haven]

ez pz

[rancid coral]

Made it 50%

[alpine junco]

Or not take any at all

Like

[rancid coral]

Nah

It should take

[alpine junco]

Every other ability in the game

[rancid coral]

Otherwise the slower stam regen would have no point

[vast yoke]

im in awe. why the fuck is syringe pistol desperado actually peak. what the fuck

[alpine junco]

Tjst doesnt punish you fornusing it

[rancid coral]

Yeah but desperado doesn't give you the huge dmg rampage does

[hazy vector]

that's barely a downside lmao

[rancid coral]

It's annoying cuz I like push attacks

[alpine junco]

Spaming blue needle into hords is pretty funny

[lost bear]

Rampage is excellent, you also want to invest heavily into it

[hazy vector]

Just dodge????

Also normally you only run out of the ability after everything around is dead

[rancid coral]

Booooriiing

[sand haven]

Especially with the Hot-Shot blessing. It's just "on" all the time. No activation necessary.

[rancid coral]

I'll hit you with a hammer

[lost bear]

For most weapons I get all the mods except the leftmost (rending on heavy attack)

[alpine junco]

Bruh

[hazy vector]

bruh you clearly playing wrong class

[lost bear]

The two shouts in particular are hella clutch

[rancid coral]

I'm being dramatic

[broken moss]

I brought this up near launch and had morons trying to roast me for it

[rancid coral]

I can play rampage, I like playing rampage

I just think it's silly it fully drains stam

[broken moss]

like maybe a week after launch

[rancid coral]

That's all

[hazy vector]

near launch it did not interact with desperado

[broken moss]

did for me

[lost bear]

The second shout kicks off when Rampage ends

[broken moss]

not sure what you mean

[hazy vector]

Also what makes it so? I wanted to try it, but then assumed it is awful

[alpine junco]

I need to try tripple stimming with melee instead of rsnge, should be pretty funny

[lost bear]

Not you, the other guy who was saying Rampage didn't seem good

[vast yoke]

at launch kills with syringe pistol actually didnt refill desperado tbh so it wasnt good

[rancid coral]

I was talking to salty xdd

[dim moth]

50% melee strength is an insane thing

and it lasts FOREVER dude

[broken moss]

I used it just fine 🤷 no issues

[alpine junco]

I JUDT DONT LIKE IT TSKING MY STAMINA

[hazy vector]

no?

[broken moss]

for me it was about ammo econ

[hazy vector]

it is single most powerful ult in the game power-wise

[alpine junco]

Or making me less tsnky

[dim moth]

then ACQUIRE the RESTORE STAMINA ON DODGE talent

[broken moss]

and invulnerability

[hazy vector]

having it such a small downside is whatever

[lost bear]

The boosts are honestly cracked

[alpine junco]

NO

[rancid coral]

If it's such a small part of the downside what's wrong with removing it

[hazy vector]

Please?

[broken moss]

too much gas

[alpine junco]

YOU CSNT MAKE ME

[hazy vector]

not being a bitch?

What about that?

[alpine junco]

Oh ok msybe i will

[radiant swift]

melee scum genuinely incredible fun once you get it down

[lost bear]

5real though

[rancid coral]

I think slower stam regen and damage vul is enough, fully draining stamina is silly

[lost bear]

There's a reason why Scum is pretty much the best user of any common weapon

[broken moss]

as long as you're not playing shivs and just mindlessly mashing lmb

[alpine junco]

Ahhhh

[lost bear]

Shivs let you mindlessly spam LMB and get away with it tbh

[mighty belfry]

Real ones know stabby heavy spam is the meta with rampage

[broken moss]

they're strong af but holy shit that's brain rot

[chrome jackal]

my bonesaw kinda sticky, my saw stick- my bonesaw creamy

[rancid coral]

Combat Axe rising up

[lost bear]

Tac axe lets you spam LMB slightly less mindlessly

[broken moss]

it's really not though

[hazy vector]

no, in fact, penalties not severe enough

make it so you get aids irl

[broken moss]

DPS gain so minimal you're better off farming crits

[rancid coral]

Now we're talking

[lost bear]

Combat axe moveset has surprising nuance but that's weaponised autism levels of investment

[rancid coral]

Remove stam consumption but remove 1 year from the user's life span

[mighty belfry]

Have you ever deleted crusher walls with but a few heavy attacks

[radiant swift]

haymaker with cleave shiv in theory should be a decent thing actually, just doesn't really gain much from rampage

[rancid coral]

Nah sorry I'm going braindead equips rashad

[broken moss]

deleted em with a few lights

once you get the build rolling those crits hit REAL hard

[lost bear]

You can squeeze out a good bit more damage with sprint cancels, but fuck actually doing that for a whole game

[leaden fable]

Uncanny shivs killing crushers quick with lights is hilarious honestly

[broken moss]

especially if you have the talents for execute and damage carry over

[mighty belfry]

Cuz ppl really undervalue stabby heavies because they have one very unique thing going for them over pretty much any other melee weapon

[leaden fable]

It feels illegal

If I don't have stacks up or rending going I'm gonna heavy the crushers sure

[craggy heron]

Does mutie count as "human sized" target?

[lost bear]

Yes

[hazy vector]

what is stubby

[leaden fable]

But if I'm mulching with stacks and buffs up I'm light spamming them shits

[radiant swift]

stabby shivs

the mk1s

[broken moss]

to me, shivs are the embodiment of an "on hit build". you want to be hitting fast AF so your build does its job often

[rancid coral]

Blind mf it says stabby

[mighty belfry]

Mk1s

[radiant swift]

mk3s are the slashy shivs

[mighty belfry]

The heavies have two hitboxes

[hazy vector]

ah, shivs

[leaden fable]

Stubby is what you are, dwarf man

[mighty belfry]

That can hit two targets if stacked close together enough

[hazy vector]

[hazy vector]

i did, in fact, kill 2 specials/elites with one heavy multiple times

[rancid coral]

ZEALOT SHOULD GET SHIVS

[mighty belfry]

And the hitboxes is surprisingly forgiving for doing that.

[broken moss]

niche use case and maybe in some situations it's good. but you're also trying to build tox stacks on crits plus all the other stuff

[radiant swift]

Slashies with haymayker is prolly a good side arm for a Ranged build thinking about it, but ranged HS doesn't need to melee in general so

[lost bear]

The double icepick stab also has quite credible horde management because of that

[dim moth]

yeah they did zealot dirty by adding dual wielding weapons and saying "nuh uh" to them

[mighty belfry]

Why feel the need to build the stacks when you can just obliterate them right then and there

[lost bear]

No such thing as shivalry in here

[mighty belfry]

Crits being a big help with that too.

[lost bear]

Mace and sword when though

[broken moss]

unless you're 1 tapping crushers, use lights

[zenith fern]

brother lmao?

[rancid coral]

Fatshark creating shade and dual daggers, now forbidding Zealot, the class that can go invisible and backstab, from using shivs

Thanks Fatshark

[broken moss]

they're already pretty close imo

they're just not the braindead "hold lmb" PlayStyle that seems to be picking up traction

I love stubs

[lost bear]

Can't wait for the Pickpocket nerf tbh

[mighty belfry]

Spin shot needs working tbh

[lost bear]

It's fucking overbearing at anything Mael and below

[rancid coral]

Will probably happen yeah

[dim moth]

spin shot should have a 2.0 ADM into carapace

sping gun to kil crusher

[broken moss]

whaaaa?

[dim moth]

good balance

[limber cradle]

The spin shot should have an autokill override when I hit anythings weakspot, style>Substance

[rancid coral]

I don't think spin shot should be better than Zarona

[lost bear]

Aim with your heart ass yee yee shit

Guided by emprah

[hazy vector]

He is right? Pistols pretty pointless

[rancid coral]

Truth nuke

I think stubs just needs less spread

[radiant swift]

https://i.redd.it/yn7lizvdc07g1.gif

[lost bear]

Pistols are solidly mid

[rancid coral]

And ofc to be full "auto"

[broken moss]

I mean I'd love to see stubs get stronger, especially if pickpocket gets the much needed nerfs it's hopefully about to receive, but I think it works pretty well as is. it's not supposed to delete crushers. it's supposed to give you long range accuracy for snipers

[lost bear]

Fun, workable, but definitely not powerful

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/castorice-powercreep-hsr-castorice-hsr-dragon-gif-8292897753528429760

[mighty belfry]

Honestly? Why? Like the special actually requires some knowhow to pull off.

And the payoff, just isn't there right now to justify it.

[lost bear]

I kinda want Pickpocket to proc only on melee kill lol

[rancid coral]

Yeah and zarona requires surgical to be relevant at higher levels

[broken moss]

like i said, if pickpocket gets nerfed. or hell just remove it entirely

[rancid coral]

Spinning is not exactly that hard to pull off tho

[hazy vector]

on range they are accurate e nough for that smgs can do same job

[final temple]

watch pickpocket not get a nerf.

[rancid coral]

It's just weak, not hard

[mighty belfry]

It's much slower.

[dim moth]

I don't think stub pistols are in need of a buff really

[rancid coral]

Uh no?

[broken moss]

not with 1 bullet, reliably

[zenith fern]

I dont even bring pickpocket for stubs because I primarily use it as sidearms

to take down gunners and specials

[rancid coral]

10% crit chance every 0.3s for surgical

[dim moth]

they are not the balance outliers as far as scum weapons go

[broken moss]

it does or people gonna quit. it's rough out there

[alpine junco]

DONT TOUCH MY INFINITE AMMO

[limber cradle]

Seconded

[lost bear]

It'll still be infinite you just need to stab someone on occasion lmao

[final temple]

pretty much where they fit the kit. as sidearms if you want something more beefy than needler but dont want yet another bistol

[broken moss]

anyone that matters is asking for nerfs. it's pretty well understood that perk is stupid

[limber cradle]

Stub pistols are a perfectly viable weapon that also dropped with infinite ammo macs and whatever unholy shit is going on with the needler

[dim moth]

yeah

[lost bear]

It's Year 1 Vet Mk II

[rancid coral]

A lot of people in the forums told me they didn't want pickpocket to get nerfed because of the classic bullshit reasons

"you wanna kill fun" "it's all nerf nerf nerf"

[lost bear]

Shit was insufferable enough the first time

[dim moth]

I really don't understand why scum having infinite ammo is such a problem

[broken moss]

"muh op build bruh"

[rancid coral]

"don't take what vet should've been"

[dim moth]

shock trooper vet exists with helbore or recon lasgun

[mighty belfry]

You have to wait for the exact moment that crosshair narrows down to even fire, as opposed to surgical granting crit chance passively as long as you're ADSed. Where a lot of time, you don't even max it out and still gain benefit

[dim moth]

and that has infinite ammo too

psyker is...well probably not a reasonable argument because they're not balanced

[alpine junco]

The node is the most broken thing in the game but i have gotten so attached to it im actually in a secret relationship

[final temple]

Throne, what melodrama. pickpocket is a very conditional node that has its extreme value in havoc but is superfluous for any other difficulty. and we know FS does not balance for Havoc.

[mighty belfry]

Stubs are honestly fine otherwise

But the spin shot is just kind of disappointing as it currently stands.

[rancid coral]

Yeah which happens fairly quickly

[broken moss]

it's 100% ranged uptime, everywhere

[mighty belfry]

And that was probably the biggest selling point of the pistols

[broken moss]

makes playing melee alongside them miserable

[zenith fern]

It quite a rarity for me to run out of ammo from stubs unless my team is complete idiot and keeps dying forcing me to take down ranged enemies on my own

[lost bear]

Honestly any class that doesn't require engagement with the primary weapon slot needs to be looked at

[rancid coral]

I'm fine with buffing spinshot but it's a little silly to say it should be better than Zarona revolver

[dim moth]

I can also do this with recon lasgun vet and shoot just as much

[mighty belfry]

Absolutely no one said that.

[dim moth]

infinite ammo is not unique to scum

[mighty belfry]

Not better. Just at least somewhat comparable in ADMs.

[dim moth]

the problem with gun scum is just that they ignore game mechanics

same for psyker

[rancid coral]

DUDE YOU SAID THIS WRAAAAA

Wdym "no one said that"

[dim moth]

automatic dodges for just hitting enemies should not exist

[lost bear]

Recon isn't truly infinite though, just very very economical

[dim moth]

you should have to learn dodge timing or DIE

[limber cradle]

Idk man I've held m1 entire levels with the recon las

[final temple]

neither is pickpocket.

[lost bear]

Meanwhile Scum gets to pull ammo out of their prison wallet

[dim moth]

recon is definitely infinite

[mighty belfry]

I didn't say for it to be better! Just, why shouldn't they be at least comparable?

[calm aurora]

weak

[lost bear]

For doing something that's hard to avoid in higher diffs

[calm aurora]

plz buff

[hazy vector]

neither can stubbies

[calm aurora]

give power saw

[zenith fern]

"dont mind me, just picking your pockets"

[broken moss]

mine do

[leaden fable]

Me fighting two captains on an atonement shrine for 4 minutes with gun hs hoping an elite shows up or desperado comes off cd so I can have some fucking ammo

[lost bear]

Is this leatherboi?

[rancid coral]

It is pretty much infinite in Havoc

[dim moth]

like the only way I can see someone running out of ammo on recon is if the seed is 100% crushers/bulwarks and nothing else

[broken moss]

idk why you'd need more than 1 bullet

[final temple]

as is recon.

[broken moss]

those things hit hard af

[hazy vector]

Then on same distance you can kill same targets with quick burst of smgs

[mighty belfry]

Pickpocket is virtually infinite in Auric

[calm aurora]

His known associate

[hazy vector]

because it does not have good spread?

[mighty belfry]

Legit impossible not to proc it.

[broken moss]

I'm talking cross map

[hazy vector]

It has bad accuracy beyond like20 m

[rancid coral]

Not really? Like if you keep shooting it you'll run out of ammo with recon

Not with pickpocket

[broken moss]

the stub special????

it's literally a sniper rifle

[hazy vector]

Takes long ass time

[dim moth]

welly ou will run out of ammo on pickpocket yes unless you use a 2nd ability (desperado)

[broken moss]

God forbid. 0.5 second windup

[rancid coral]

Just keep killing elites for pickpocket tho

[hazy vector]

no you will not?

[broken moss]

it's really not that long.

[leaden fable]

Me with pickpocket assuming I'll get free ammo from the massive shotgunner horde just as the boom bringer spammer nukes the entire block

[zenith fern]

lifespan is cooked

[rancid coral]

Like I run Infantry Autogun Vraks in havoc and just keep firing and keep firing and keep firing

[winter galleon]

all this talk of needing nerfs, lets buff PS again

[rancid coral]

"oh hey a bomber appeared" brrr 20% ammo instantly

[hazy vector]

i would actually like power falchion buffs

[broken moss]

idk man if y'all struggling with stubs id say skissue but maybe you just don't jive with em and that's cool but they are definitely strong. I log similar numbers with them as I do daps. but daps just shred stuff faster

[hazy vector]

it just... exists

[hazy vector]

are you deaf or what

no one saying anyone struggling with them

[broken moss]

is there audio in here?

[hazy vector]

everyone saying they are outshined by other options

[winter galleon]

last night it took me 8 seconds to kill a boss on my vet, too weak, thats 7.9 seconds ill never get back

[rancid coral]

When calling something mid means struggling in the eyes of some

xdddd

[leaden fable]

He is deaf, he's reading all this in braille rn

[hazy vector]

Yes

[broken moss]

and I disagree. at least not enough to say they aren't relevant

daps do slightly outperform them but they are plenty close enough to be comparable

[rancid coral]

Usable is not exactly relevant

[hazy vector]

ALso revolver just better at the same role

[broken moss]

they're relevant af

[hazy vector]

"SLIGHLTY" lmao

SLIGHLTY

[rancid coral]

Fuh nah

[hazy vector]

[broken moss]

just cuz daps can pull an extra 5% damage in a match doesn't exclude them

[rancid coral]

5% is a little bit wrong

[lost bear]

Mid should be the bar, people got too used to DS levels of BS

[broken moss]

skissues

[rancid coral]

Just slightly slightly wrong

[leaden fable]

I do better with daps cuz I don't have to aim as well or click as much tbh

Real skissue

[rancid coral]

Daps inferior to Vraks autogun

[leaden fable]

That and I keep interrupting reloads to early by sprinting

[broken moss]

stubs

[leaden fable]

Sure but then you have to aim again and that's fucked

[mighty belfry]

I feel like you have to aim more with daps because of the recoil lmao

[hazy vector]

bruh, smgs allow people to have 3x damage of any othe rweapon

[rancid coral]

LOL

Truth nuke

[leaden fable]

I'm a zealot main I can only aim thunder hammers and throwing knives

[hazy vector]

just 2x, pathetic
But actually impressive

[broken moss]

not even

[mighty belfry]

Just run sticky

Hipfire all and everything

[leaden fable]

Oh I'm always sticky

[calm aurora]

I did an impromptu auric atonment duo as a melee tox scum with a despacito scum, that was bonkers, nothing could stop us, even 4 crushers and 5 bulwarks at the same time. And we only had blackout tox as a blitz. We negated absolutely everything the director tried to send us.

[rancid coral]

Honestly crosshair remap makes vraks actually something you can aim

[leaden fable]

Wait are you talking about a talent

[rancid coral]

Bring em to Havoc

[leaden fable]

Hmm I should check that out lol

[rancid coral]

Yeah you can add a crosshair while ADS

[hazy vector]

yes, even
2 other members have 500-600k, you have 900-1000

here is typical game with smgs

[broken moss]

I bring my ass to havoc once a week for mats

[limber cradle]

Instead of arguing about desp for the 90 gajillionth time tell me where you're spending 2 points in this tree and why, no wrong answers

[rancid coral]

So in my case I just set a point as the ironsight

And now bullets go better cuz I know where they'll hit

[mighty belfry]

Crosshair does not line up with iron sights under sustained fire

Remap helps a lot.

[loud herald]

gamers of the gaming variety

[rancid coral]

^^^^

[loud herald]

does anyone have a poggers melee stim build

[leaden fable]

That explains a lot

[loud herald]

or well

stimm supply

[leaden fable]

Probably would make my bolter seem less wonky too

[loud herald]

not just the regular stimm lol

[lost bear]

Vraks being best gun again feels like deja vu

[loud herald]

i'm trying this ranged stimm supply build and it's dumb lol

[exotic temple]

The media build the dmg bonus was 150%. I could see the need for a debuff after that but when they dropped it to 50 they should have dropped the debuff

[lost bear]

Like we had this before when it was called the Columnus

[rancid coral]

Well yes cuz it used to be best option for vet wasn't it

[hazy vector]

i like 100% crit chance chem build with shivs

[limber cradle]

The more things change the more they stay the same

[loud herald]

got a build tree for it? 👀

[leaden fable]

Damn dwarf to dwarf communication

[loud herald]

real

[broken moss]

I've had games like that too. just depends how shit your teammates are I'm not saying stubs better than daps but the difference ain't so big as to say they can't perform in any content

[sand haven]

rock and stone?

[hazy vector]

10 base, 5 aura, 5 small node, 5 weapon, 12,5 shivs, 20 riposte, 20 butterfly, 20 chem dep, 15 stim

[calm aurora]

dwarfnet

[lost bear]

Ngl the pre-emptive whining about Pickpocket nerfs is very reminiscent of Year 1 Vet salt

[hazy vector]

it is actually 112.5% crit chance when full

[lost bear]

When their Pocket Zealot got reined in a touch

[broken moss]

I have both guns. have used them both plenty. use what you like but you shouldn't have an issue dominating lobbies with stubs

[hazy vector]

So without stim you reliably can get 97.5%

[mighty belfry]

Tbf while I do think pickpocket currently is ridiculously strong

[leaden fable]

They should nerf vet again, as a distraction

[mighty belfry]

So is the entirety of psyker as a class so whatever

[dense hollow]

psyker doesn't have to be a scapegoat

both need to be toned down

[hazy vector]

well i might try them again, i have not leveled them up to 500 even
What blessings you use for them?

[calm aurora]

psyker has bad dodges, it's fair

[hazy vector]

and perks

[lapis raft]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a089693e-d041-4165-83a0-06d61f3db065/stimm-knifeshiv im doing this for stimm crate shiv, but not taking the crit chance small and i usually take gunslinger if noone else has it

[limber cradle]

This is kinda my take rn also

[lost bear]

I think as a rule of thumb, any class that can ignore its melee weapon should be bonked on the head until it's not possible any more

[broken moss]

I know one of them is the reload speed on kill the other iirc is extra damage per shot in the salvo but Icr. I can screen when I get home

[leaden fable]

If hive scum did more damage the less ammo they were carrying, it would feel like psyker lol

[broken moss]

the reload speed on kill is pretty helpful with maintaining dps

[loud herald]

wait what does this mean, sorry lol

[broken moss]

like, seems benign but it's effectively just more damage

[loud herald]

I need an image my mind is dented

[lost bear]

Conservation of ninjutsu but with bullets

[mighty belfry]

It's not that they're a scapegoat more that if pickpocket is so problematic on a fundamental level that people are calling for nerfs, psyker 100% needs to be looked too.

[calm aurora]

only if you play fgs / deimos / obscurs + gun / purga tbh. Try taxker with laspistol alone with 5 crushers, it's not the same.

[lost bear]

Psyker isn't even glassy any more so "glass cannon" as a defence is pure cope

[limber cradle]

Went with extra gun dodge and stamina on dodge tbh

[hazy vector]

crit % sources

[mighty belfry]

Tac axe psyker is fucking goated

[loud herald]

oh duh

[mighty belfry]

What are you saying?

Who needs rending when every crit hits like a mininuke

[hazy vector]

so any except zealot?

[dense hollow]

pickpocket was an interesting addition for sure, idk how it went through in it's state

[glad latch]

See this kind of logic is why it sucks to play gunlugger.

[dense hollow]

it sounds as powerful on paper as it plays out in game

[broken moss]

psyker is strong but gun scum is WAY more powerful and oppressing

[hazy vector]

are you sure you are not ElfDude?

[broken moss]

it's not even close

[loud herald]

feels like i'm a leaf lover at this point

[broken moss]

psykers be complaining about scum

[calm aurora]

indeed, but 5 crushers

[lost bear]

That's also Psykers used to being the main character

[loud herald]

ty for build

[zenith fern]

I swear people are this level of dumb playing rolling steel and wasting time on not advacing and kill the captain

[mighty belfry]

I've handled havoc 40 crusher walls with tac axe. It really is not that much of a slog

You just do so much crit damage on max DD stacks that they melt

[lost bear]

Mk 4 enjoyer

[calm aurora]

and you can stagger them

[mighty belfry]

Mk4 tac axe, my beloved...

[calm aurora]

but it is not as brain dead as force sword and purga

[lost bear]

I like the uppercut in principle but it always seems to snag somewhere

[zenith fern]

Spent 3 minutes rushing because team already wasted so much time or killing hordes and ignore specials and I had to solo captain by myself while they still on the hordes

[lost bear]

So I keep to 7 like a basic bitch

[hazy vector]

https://tenor.com/view/nogold-nomountain-gold-mountain-thatsagrudge-gif-6111960780942955182

[lost bear]

Can't wait for chainaxe fixes

[limber cradle]

My bad darktide I thought I could play 3 matches in a row without crashing

[lilac ermine]

Cap

[lapis raft]

i get black screen on load like every other game, gg

[sand haven]

The AI Director sees you talking shit and awaits your return

[limber cradle]

Nvm it hard disconnected me from the havoc

[sand haven]

oof

[limber cradle]

I love this fucking game bro

[lost bear]

Chaos at it

[vast yoke]

the memory leak hears me hard carrying the team and decides to crash my game

[lilac ermine]

Is that from your mod 😱

[low harbor]

nah not enough

[charred bronze]

What kinda fixes?

[lilac ermine]

I found fix for it

[calm aurora]

may I add /s

[lost bear]

Rip kills don't play well with Smiter

[low harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/satono-diamond-kitasan-black-dancing-tongue-out-umamusume-gif-10360028360813380941

[lost bear]

Did you clock more combat axe time btw

[calm aurora]

I think hvs is more problematic than psyker tho

[lost bear]

Psyker is structurally an issue

[lapis raft]

no happens when i dont have any mods at all either

[livid raven]

is he

[lapis raft]

just game being bad

[livid raven]

you could just remove flame staff and it would be pretty fine

[lilac ermine]

Someone gave me steam start up command and I havent crashed since

[limber cradle]

Remove smite while you're at it

[calm aurora]

what's the real issue aside from purga/infinite cleave?

[lilac ermine]

Trauma infinite cleave

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/nuclear-catastrophic-disastrous-melt-down-gif-13918708

[lost bear]

Voidstrike doesn't do shit lol

[lilac ermine]

Smite psyker infinite cc

[livid raven]

voidstrike is the bad one right?

[limber cradle]

Smyker infinite CC, shield also turning off all ranged enemies

Scrier's Gaze

[livid raven]

i always mix up voidstrike and voidblast

[lilac ermine]

Yes shield

[lost bear]

Be funny if there was only the wall shield

[limber cradle]

Even wall shield is dumb strong ime