hivescum-class

[final temple]

you have stack duration x 2 to maintain a stack when it matters. a stack falling off is easily replenished. if you really want to maintain stacks, sample collector is indeed your best friend. it’s universally useful, scales with CD duration and is quick to reach without undue tax nodes

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/sliding-rainbow-trippy-gif-6112009234260863901

[sand haven]

Hive Scum need to make friends with a Vet for a shitload of grenade replenishment

[oak bramble]

Running through the new trench map AS cadia vet makes me happy

[calm aurora]

larper spotted

[oak bramble]

God forbid a reject has fun

[exotic temple]

I did the same thing on my kreig vet…

Might have even done a bayonet charge or two just for the good ole days.

[hazy vector]

TIme to rage on randoms in havoc again

[solar glen]

Updated my personal guide.
Currently still experimenting with my melee build.
Been having fun running a meme build with max stam curios and weapon perks for that attack speed.

[vast yoke]

what

[hazy vector]

Calling stun grenades B is a take

[calm aurora]

hard disagree

[final temple]

that is the most graphically set of misinformation I have seen so far

[calm aurora]

it's brain dead

it does not offer much value for what it asks of you tbh

[hazy vector]

yeah, os much effort spent int=o something so wrong

[vast yoke]

B for Burst of Energy

3x health perks

[limber cradle]

Desperado is possibly the least skill intensive ability in this game

[calm aurora]

why does that bottom reek of tannerism

pun intented

[vast yoke]

A for a measly 4 second increase to Vulture stack duration, C for the main point of even running that boring keystone

[limber cradle]

The ammo aura sucks too

Yk what

One of you can deal with this

[final temple]

no no no.

you stepped in it.

you fix it

[vast yoke]

steam discussions core

[calm aurora]

I appreciate the effort tho

[limber cradle]

Sorry, i was so awestruck by it i decided to open my mouth.

[calm aurora]

but the takes are... questionable

[vast yoke]

i like the formatting

[calm aurora]

Yeah that should be done for other trees

[final temple]

the colors are a riot. that is for sure.

[calm aurora]

it's a v0.1, but the formatting is fire

[exotic temple]

I mean it’s an A for effort and people are entitled to their opinions….but those are some hot takes

[calm aurora]

it's actually one of the best way to convey information

[solar glen]

I tried my best, just kinda sharing what my thoughts so far

[limber cradle]

Yeah, credit where it's due i like the formatting and layout.

[iron zenith]

i think it's cool to see how differently people view the same perks, really highlights how playstyle varies

[calm aurora]

we do have a hard disagree on some of the takes but your effort is commendable

don't feel bad

[final temple]

you know what? that’s fair. I disagree with your assessments but it’s fair.

[vast yoke]

this one is really cracking me up. it's not even wrong but like

[solar glen]

I feel like I have enough dodges to manage enemies with ranged

[calm aurora]

wait, why?

[solar glen]

extra dodges on melee matter more

[calm aurora]

what does it do bad?

[hazy vector]

This is absolute dogshit take of takes

[solar glen]

gunners rip and tear way too much I feel

[hazy vector]

putting F to adrenaline stacks on kills

Without it the keystone is trash

with it it is godly

[vast yoke]

I don't disagree with it being C tier (only needed on Brautos) but the comment... useless on melee. it's really funny. it's like saying pickpocket is useless on melee, just hilariously off topic

[vast yoke]

what

that's

[hazy vector]

"only good if you are good" on most braindead ult in the entire game

[exotic temple]

The f for dual stubs is also a take. Like yes it takes 2-3 shots to kill most stuff and there are better options but that’s maybe c tier

[hazy vector]

Holyt shit, please, delete this image and save yourself from further embarrasment

[calm aurora]

I have not play havoc with HVS so I have no idea if it's bad or not

[vast yoke]

it's a bistol sidegrade and looking at that image i don't think they even gave non desperado scum a solid try

[iron zenith]

the dual stub are really good imo, the higher passive crit means better against armor without having to dump entire magazines

[vast yoke]

it's very cute i think she should make a zealot talent guide

[calm aurora]

the problem of the dual stubs is that they are overshadowed by the needle on melee builds and the dap on despacito

[main trellis]

Its on F but it ain’t S either; you face bosses you can’t get anything

[hazy vector]

He put on desperado "requires to be good", that's all you need to know about that person

[calm aurora]

they will then become a staple of h40 sweatlords

[vast yoke]

she

[hazy vector]

bosses are never alone

[limber cradle]

Idk about that

[iron zenith]

only takes 8 poxwalker kills to trigger it

[vast yoke]

nah needle is extremely unreliable for trappers and dogs, if my melee already has high boss dps and crunches Crushers idc about needle

[hazy vector]

double tap needler on those

[vast yoke]

I literally can't

[hazy vector]

literally skissue/

[vast yoke]

if they're firing thru multiple enemies

with 0 cleave on needle

[main trellis]

Hes correct; you wanna keep shooting and your spacing & dodge game vs melee needs to be on point
Otherwise you’ll eat dirt

[vast yoke]

you can't

this is a COMMON situation

[calm aurora]

you need to master the last second dodge

[vast yoke]

tru

[hazy vector]

ok lol

another trash player

who thinks desperado needs any actual skill

[calm aurora]

I have been getting fucked a lot tho

[iron zenith]

look at the amount of negative reviews claiming the class is terrible and even desperado is weak

[vast yoke]

i know it's wonderful, steam discussions is a beautiful boundary that keeps fun things on scum from getting nerfed

[hazy vector]

i never been able to reliably put 4x more damage than anyone else on the team (or, in other words, outdmage whole team) with anything but desperado HS

i could not do such thing even with psyker

[calm aurora]

can we not be toxic?

[exotic fable]

Hey quick question; has anyone here figured out what the Hotfix #84 notes meant by "Added some clearer information to the Stimm Lab info" yet? I looked through the tab on the Operative menu for several minutes, but I wasn't able to spot any actual changes.

[main trellis]

True but if you gonna focus bosses/captains/twins or get seperated and won’t be able to do much your keystone is ded
You kill alot to begin with; it is not required to pick & you’ll still have good uptime cause 20s durration is enough to get 30 stacks by hits & kills

[hazy vector]

imagine if they buff desperado even more

[calm aurora]

same

[vast yoke]

i don't know. fatshark developers come into my room and tear off my limbs one by one anytime i answer a question. sorry. my hands are more than tied.

[hazy vector]

i think may be cost info was not there before?

[calm aurora]

it was

[exotic fable]

Yeah I'm pretty confident that was there pre-hotfix

[calm aurora]

it was

I am sure

[exotic fable]

I was hoping the hotfix note meant that the screen would tally up the sum total of effects from your current recipe, instead of making you add them all up in your head

but alas

[calm aurora]

I think a mod would be welcome

[main trellis]

Read my friend; if you’re spacing is bad you get surrounded & have to use a blitz to save yourself
If your dodges are bad you get chipped
Its fundamentals
Don’t call me names before you see me play boi

[lapis raft]

maybe they just changed [H] help because i see literally nothing different on the screen itself

[hazy vector]

btw with chem dep chem crate build you can easily keep up 4 stacks even with 100% viscosity

[hazy vector]

Having fundamentals and being good are 2 different things

[calm aurora]

trappers are taller than the chaff iirc, you should be able to shoot them in the head

[main trellis]

Ikr; boi haven’t even played with me & puts me down

[hazy vector]

Yes

[limber cradle]

He's just like that

[exotic temple]

Hive scum almost feels like a paragon class. It’s not really for new players it’s designed more around giving people who have game time something else to do.

[limber cradle]

I'm not excusing it

I'm just more impressed if this is the first time you've noticed

[rare stirrup]

Tbh I agree, having the ability to press dodge doesn't exactly make you "good"

And desperado is cert not difficult

[exotic temple]

But it is a weird decision to put that behind a paywall

[hazy vector]

Sorry, hearing "braindead thing X requires skill" always triggers me in any context

[limber cradle]

Being able to dodge should be a baseline thing to prog at all but apparently a lot of people have issues with it

[vast yoke]

tbh trappers are hardly an issue, needle sucks super hard against dogs with 0 stagger and glacial ttk, which wouldn't be an issue if they didn't randomly instajump on me since a few patches ago

[hazy vector]

double tap

[vast yoke]

i swear they've been so janky lately

[main trellis]

You’re fundamentals are a cornerstone of you being good; in order to build a stable house you need to get the cellar built first

[vast yoke]

thru 15 poxwalkers?

[rare stirrup]

"a lot of people" isn't my standard for what constitutes a good player

[hazy vector]

Yes

[calm aurora]

you're a dog person then

[rare stirrup]

Yeah but a cellar alone isn't a house

[livid raven]

from my experience, if they are running toward you they can instajump

[hazy vector]

That is requirement to be "ok", not being good

[livid raven]

otherwise they need to reposition with some startup

[hazy vector]

to be good you need to go above that

and with deseprado you can outdamage other builds while being "ok"

or even bad

[livid raven]

as it should be

[hazy vector]

because it allows to make lots of positional mistakes

[final temple]

not wanting to invalidate the issue but I have had NEVER any issue picking out a specialist with the needler. But I also tend to first try and clear my line of sight.

[limber cradle]

I understand this, I'm kinda saying the baseline skill level of the playerbase is bad enough that Scummer is considered hard and I think realistically we should've been forcing people to use the underlying mechanics of the game more for the past 3 years.

[hazy vector]

because firepower allows you to simple bruteforce through them

[vast yoke]

tbh i feel like it's a server issue. NAE gets insta 180 dogs and NAW is more reliable until it randomly shits the bed some afternoons

when the stars align and the servers work fine neither are a big deal

but man they've been ass lately

[hazy vector]

Dogs been pretty reliable in my experience

[near mauve]

why learn mechanismos when the game has 10000 "i win now" buttons

not even joking

i still dont know how to kite properly

cause why bother

[limber cradle]

Why learn mechanics when arby costs 12 dolla

[rare stirrup]

I think you overestimate the average player. If at some point actually thinking about your gameplay would be required, most would simply not cross that level

[calm aurora]

@solar glen sorry for some of the reactions, we're usually open to discussions, but the dwarf is salty and needs to be put in the corner

[livid raven]

if thinking about your gameplay was required, arbites wouldn't exist

[limber cradle]

Well, fuck em. Simple as imo.

[vast yoke]

tbh i still run needle on plenty of builds, i just feel it's not the bis for every melee build that's all :P then again that's down to preference

[final temple]

why use much words when weapon go brrrr

[vast yoke]

@solar glen me too, and I'm sorry that ppl gendered you improperly, some ppl here need to take a bath and find employment

[livid raven]

tbh i found i take less damage playing as hivescum, both melee and gun

[main trellis]

We should play then; see if you’re correct or just empty huff & puff

[hazy vector]

Correct about what?

[rare stirrup]

Broke: learning how to play the game
Woke: equipping castigator

[solar glen]

No problem. When I first posted my WIP on here, people roasted me as hard.

[lapis raft]

it def can be pretty delayed sometimes right, as even clearing the line of sight is delayed if you are doing it by killing the stuff thats in a way first unlike stuff like revolver or bolt pistol (which is fair for how op the needler is otherwise)

[solar glen]

[main trellis]

Already forgot? Lemme remind you my old friend
Me being trash

[solar glen]

Don't worry. I'm a guy.

[limber cradle]

Its so funny to me Casti+rebreather+1x corruption resist makes you immune to entire trains of poxbursters

[solar glen]

[hazy vector]

You are not important enough to remember

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/unmask-gif-10218477893513307494

[vast yoke]

oh you're just a fujoshi, you know what i respect it

[hazy vector]

And people already put themselves in line to whitknight you 😔

[vast yoke]

oh mein gott bruh

[solar glen]

Hey, I'm sure you'll find someone out there that will whiteknight you.

[main trellis]

Mirrors exist & are cheap
Be less of a toxic midget & think twice before you call ppl names for no reason… if you are able to for such a task

[hazy vector]

I wish 😔

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/soft-cell-sex-dwarf-marc-almond-luring-disco-dollies-to-a-life-of-vice-gif-21433185

[main trellis]

Jealous

[hazy vector]

Yes

what the actual fuck

[main trellis]

Not surprised; i would be too

[hazy vector]

why DH switches to aonther player if idiot who triggered it leaves the game

[limber cradle]

Someone's gotta die

[calm aurora]

that's pure trolling yeah

[main trellis]

Didn’t know that?
Well; now you know - its one of things that are bad to do to others

[limber cradle]

I understand the DH, when someone wakes me up I want to maul them too.

[livid raven]

it could attack the bot tho

[main trellis]

And the next in like is a toxic smol boi

A good choice

Probably

[limber cradle]

Wrong place, wrong time, yk?

[main trellis]

I would say great time

[vivid latch]

So question the needle gun, does the attributes like "20% damage to X" affect the chem or is it just the initial needle damage?

[main trellis]

Karma returns & all

[livid raven]

it does

[main trellis]

GERMAN?!

[pulsar aspen]

@hazy vector I think utilizing Desperado to its fullest potential does requires some or more amount of skill than one might think. Sure you can of course just spray and pray into a horde, but the horde is never the problem.

[main trellis]

[pulsar aspen]

Also, while you are immune to ranged fire, you aren't to melee hits.

[main trellis]

Fire & gas too

[pulsar aspen]

True enough, yes.

[limber cradle]

These are pretty baseline things that'll fuck you up anyway

[pulsar aspen]

And Desperado does not give you that. Immunity to all attacks comes from Vulture's Mark Upgrade Keystone. And that is only for 1 second on critical hits.

[limber cradle]

Should you not respect them, that is

[pulsar aspen]

I say only because while you may string crit after crit, if you ever do not have that, overreliance on it will be one's downfall.

It is very similar to Castigators, where a lot of people just say you are invincible, which is straight up not true. You have 80% damage reduction, but that is not 100%.

[limber cradle]

Tbf the guns you're using with Desp are crit monsters

[pulsar aspen]

No arguing here.

[clear isle]

do we still have the bug where stimm box doesn't count for chemical dependancy?

[limber cradle]

I understand what you're saying fwiw, I do kinda agree that Desp doesn't require skilled input tho

[swift canopy]

no, the box gives you a stack

[clear isle]

alright, thanks!

[pulsar aspen]

At its core, it really does not. You have unlimited ammo for the duration of it and therefore you can unload as much as you want.

[limber cradle]

If you do have skilled input on desp you're gonna make the game miserable for everyone else however

[past blade]

what melee weapons are good on hive scum, got told i should try tac axe and im not enjoying it. it could be me have never used it before but idk

[hazy vector]

hey, i am a toxic smol MAN

[visual surge]

Hive scum is funny as fuck I love it

[limber cradle]

What build are you running

[clear isle]

shivs/knife been going hard for me, but they're sorta the same weapon type as the tac axe so...

[floral galleon]

This isn't Steam forums where you can farm jester awards lil mang

This bait is weaker than zealot flame grenades, outta here

[pulsar aspen]

Damn, that hurts.

[main trellis]

Not really; only rapid fire crit weapon is autopistol; rest are not crit based at all - its mainly the base class crit chance & talents that boost it so it feels like you crit alot (example; uzis have terrible crit dmg)

[floral galleon]

Thoughts and prayers of the Emperor for that thing my friend

[pulsar aspen]

Immolation Grenades are so sad.

[past blade]

im only level 21 so smth i cobbled together to get me through

[limber cradle]

Vraks IAG is a really popular choice that mf is gonna crit for like 75 percent of it's mag and crit string through the rest

[pulsar aspen]

I can confirm.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[main trellis]

One thinks who they wanna be
Your responses shown otherwise

[main trellis]

Firerate is the main factor
Try shredder

[limber cradle]

Ik, shredder can do it too

These are all guns that you can abuse VD damage immunity with

[floral galleon]

Now for some information; Despacito requires approaching the working range to upkeep it and the gamesense to, how to, and when to skidaddle when it runs out so you're not just stuck in a mess of nonsense only to die instantly

[pulsar aspen]

Fun fact, you can even snipe with a Shredder Autopistol well beyond 50 meters.

[limber cradle]

You can do it with the DAPs too

You just have to tap them

[unreal stirrup]

braced autogun tbh

[final temple]

Taxe and Shivs are top.

[floral galleon]

Yes, the twuzis can too, my record is ~70m in the carnival map

[past blade]

what mk for tac axe?

[livid raven]

not really for the last part

[final temple]

IV

[livid raven]

you are not particularly vulnerable when it ends

[limber cradle]

Whats cobbled together look like/do you have desp or adrenaline or chem box

[floral galleon]

Ask @main trellis for that, he's the man

[pulsar aspen]

@livid raven How so not?

[past blade]

adrenaline and stuff that says melee with rampage

[livid raven]

you still can shoot and have no debuffs

or anything of the sort

[pulsar aspen]

Well yes. Sounds like criticism to Rampage.

[main trellis]

Mk7 is a classic choice
You can also try the one with overhead & uppercut heavies (can’t remember the mark i think it was 4)

[livid raven]

i wouldn't say rampage leaves you particularly in a risky position either

unless you run out of it in front of a poxburster

[past blade]

ty

[pulsar aspen]

You'd be surprised how many people do that

[main trellis]

98% crit chance max

[livid raven]

it did happen to me the first time i played with rampage

pretty funny

[past blade]

how in the world

[pulsar aspen]

Was that with the increased hitboxes?

[livid raven]

i don't think so but i was fucked either way

[pulsar aspen]

We've all been there i'd say.

[hazy vector]

tihnking what blessings would be good on chsword for melee HS, since cleave is already coevered by 2 talents, so can probably skip wrath

[signal nebula]

Desperado + Float + VM is 55 on its own. Base 10, another 10 from aura/passive node. Then whatever the crit modifiers are from pistols (I think 15ish) leaves you at 90% on dual stubbies.

I feel like the Desperado upgrade node also gives u some but I can't remember off the top of my head

[main trellis]

5% + 5% + 5% + 10% + 20% + 20% + 25% + 15% (Stimm) - 2%(base crit of the weapon) = 103%… i was wrong but better

[hazy vector]

I am currently using 100% crit build

i like it a lot

probably not the best

but fun

[main trellis]

Its nice; i always thought shredder will have a glowup

[signal nebula]

Depends, it's pretty fucking good on weapons that jam with crit and finesse

[livid raven]

if you are not taking wrath or other cleave blessings, it gotta be shred and rampage right?

[hazy vector]

Actually you can get 112%

[hazy vector]

considering rampage or may be bloodletter?

[limber cradle]

I remember when PF BA shredder was oppresively good tbh

[signal nebula]

Just run head taker/deathblow on Hsword rampage build

[main trellis]

How so

[signal nebula]

Shred/Rampage not worth

[livid raven]

i hate bloodletter so much

[hazy vector]

10 base, 5 aura, 5 small node, 5 weapon, 12,5 shivs, 20 riposte, 20 butterfly, 20 chem dep, 15 stim

and that's what i am actually using

[past blade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a09b814f-d896-4f87-860e-b0e7ca19818c/ew so this is probably shit, my weapons are like def shit for now. just dunno what to run

[hazy vector]

no

hsword pointless to me

combat axe same thing but better

[main trellis]

Aaa for melee; yeah

[hazy vector]

chsword at least feels different

[zealous ravine]

if hsword is so cool wheres heavier sword

[signal nebula]

Tell that to Cole

HSword is his fave

[hazy vector]

have you considered the fact

[livid raven]

i think you are taking too many ability and keystone modifiers

[hazy vector]

that he is stinky?

[limber cradle]

I thought his favorite was tac axe

[signal nebula]

Was

[hazy vector]

why?

[livid raven]

imo, uncontrolled aggression and channeled aggression can be skipped

[limber cradle]

Ig if you've wanted HSword to be viable forever and a class finally gives it viability you use it

[livid raven]

oh wait it's the mk2 tacaxe not mk7

[past blade]

yeah i dont have the mk7 yet:(

[hazy vector]

now question is

[past blade]

never used the tac axe

[hazy vector]

which chsword to take

[past blade]

i usually find a weapon i like then never use anything else unless i get bored

[livid raven]

are you only lv 22

[past blade]

yes

[livid raven]

then that's fine for now

maybe remove the toughness branch of your stim tree

[main trellis]

Mk4; has more reliable revs

[past blade]

just wnated to see if there was anything i could do to make damnation a little less painful rn

[hazy vector]

How so?

[main trellis]

Can help but i’m at work

[livid raven]

remove uncontrolled aggression and take burst of energy

[lapis raft]

well click burst of energy at minimum there

[past blade]

could also jsut be i havent played since arbites came out

[past blade]

already did that so we good

[livid raven]

also imo i don't like channelled aggression

[main trellis]

Shorter revs make you rev even in the middle of combat safely enough to finish it to maximize dmg as long as you space yourself well & observe the enemy

[past blade]

it didnt seem very useful

[livid raven]

i prefer pulverising strikes to it, but i dunno much about the mk2

[past blade]

i removed it

[hazy vector]

did not know it had shorter rev

[past blade]

just have the bottom two now for rampage

[main trellis]

I can teach you many thing

[past blade]

it dont feel like it hits multiple people very much

[livid raven]

right, you have no blessings at all and low power

[calm aurora]

hsword is for when you want to be hip and use a less common weapon

[lapis raft]

well the node also gives bunch of power even if you dont need the cleave

[hazy vector]

ok testing it now

[past blade]

doing this reminded me my ogryn build is probably no longer click to win every game

[hazy vector]

i don't feel any difference

[past blade]

so i have to fix it

[signal nebula]

Less consistent than Headtaker and death blow

HT is just a free 25% power that doesn't drop stacks on misses, vs every target

[calm aurora]

no

[signal nebula]

Shred is okay but hive scum crit is already kind of insane comparatively to other classes

[calm aurora]

40% on hsword

[hazy vector]

well chsword has neither of these

[calm aurora]

not 25%

[signal nebula]

Even better

[signal nebula]

Ah I missed that point, thought we were talking HSword

[final temple]

MK IV. 4. not two. not seven.

[livid raven]

ehrm

cringe?

[final temple]

that one is the most effective taxe on scum. try it. I’ll wait.

[hazy vector]

taxe only weapon that makes my fingers hurt

[calm aurora]

laspistol mk2 is worse

[past blade]

bully club on ogryn has given me cramped fingers

havoc 40 and clicking nonstop the whole mission almost lol

[livid raven]

thank god for mods

[sand haven]

Make a clicky macro in your mouse software or get a mod.

[past blade]

playing ogryn has amde every other class harder because i actually had to start using my brain when Arbities came out

[livid raven]

lol

[final temple]

… what?

[past blade]

im joking mostly

[calm aurora]

dw, there's despacito now

[final temple]

is pressing three instead of two buttons that much more of a mental load?

[past blade]

apparently caus ei struggled after nonstop ogryn for a week

[final temple]

well. I am willing to accept that there is an adjustment period.

[hazy vector]

it was better for me

one of my fav weawpons

[granite pulsar]

Sweet Spot for shivs mk1? I'm not knowledgeable enough to understand when the 25% isn't worth it 🙂
If it matters I don't play havoc, just Auric.

[calm aurora]

well, the correct way to use taxe is pa +h1

which is not bad on the fingers

[past blade]

Grug is my favorite guy, got me through havoc, held W and m1

[tender marten]

depends on your attack speed

[final temple]

if you have points to spare, it’s worth it on shivs. if not. no.

[calm aurora]

Ok i was not playing martyr fury taxe

[main trellis]

There is a noticable one; try more

[limber cradle]

@sand haven small world or funny coincidence?

[sand haven]

hahahahah nice

[leaden fable]

Tried out bistol with chem blackouts yesterday for the memes, stayed on it for the run n gun bistol headshotting with nearly infinite ammo for a few matches

[fast gust]

Is the tag bug gettinf fixed?

[livid raven]

i'm guessing it uses the typical bromentum headtaker combo

[leaden fable]

Having a ranged option that can actually pen cara on scum is nuts

[main trellis]

Always worth it

[vivid latch]

Anyone noticed the Stim Supply glitching, like you throw it down but then it still stays in your hand unable to swap or anything until you throw it down again?

[final temple]

yes

It’s scum that turns it special for a change.

[livid raven]

i better bind the light attack to to held m1 again

[sand haven]

Brutal Momentum can be swapped for something else too.

[past blade]

you can do that??

[livid raven]

yeah, with skitarii

[past blade]

ah okay i know that

[sand haven]

Everything strength-related boosts the hell out of melee damage on hive scum

people sleepin' on that Rampaging Backstabs talent

[tender marten]

It's an awkward node

[limber cradle]

Too weird to path to for me

[sand haven]

Why's it awkward? Your dodge distance is huge already. Just dodge and step once. Spam light attack for easy 50% str

Also super useful against BON

and any boss that isn't focused on you

Most people already takiing the melee attack speed and weakspot damage nodes, no?

It's only 1 more point after that

[tender marten]

That one node could be anything else and Scum has some very hot offerings all over the tree.

[limber cradle]

No like literally the pathing to get to it is weird

[tender marten]

But mainly it's a boss deleter node and you're no Zealot with stealth + ridiculous threat reduction uptime to take huge advantage of it.

[limber cradle]

I either have to go through sweet spot or hyper crit for it

[sand haven]

ima dm you since i can't post the photo in here Tongs

[bronze glade]

Lmao

[limber cradle]

And its on the VD side of the tree

[livid raven]

if you take the threat reduction

[tender marten]

The extra cleave from the power bonus is almost wasted since unless the target(s) dies in the first swing once someone turns around you turn the stacks off.

[limber cradle]

I mean the literal pathing inside of the tree, not gameplay

[tender marten]

I maintain that Ramping Backstabs should be changed to ranged damage.

[limber cradle]

Yeah I don't run VD side of tree at all in melee builds personally

[sand haven]

Wow

Not even for the melee attack speed?

[final temple]

I run the melee speed

[sand haven]

Oh wait. Are you running triple toughness curio?>

[limber cradle]

No, I have crack if I want to swing faster

[limber cradle]

No

[sand haven]

o_O?

[limber cradle]

Hold on

[tender marten]

Tongs does 3x wounds /s

[sand haven]

lol

[hazy vector]

on light or heavies?

And what is exact difference, how many ms?

[final temple]

He does 3 health curios.

[rotund agate]

sry for replying so late to this, but I myself prefer mk13 chsword because I don't need to rev with it to kill crushers, bulwarks, scab ragers or maulers. (I use the rending node of rampage and just heavy spam)

mk13 chsword is (at least to me) a rashad with better base cleave and AS on lights at the cost of slightly crappier heavies...

[limber cradle]

With this

2x toughness 1x stam that I sometimes swap to health

[hazy vector]

it is in really inconvenient spot for melee builds

bruh

[lilac ermine]

Make hyper critical work for ranged

[limber cradle]

I unironically agree

[tender marten]

It's not that inconvenient tbh its fairly easy and justifiable to grab, I just have other nodes to grab that I find better.

I want RB to be Ranged so badly ;_;

[hazy vector]

reddit motto

[sand haven]

Tongs what ranged weapon u using?

[lilac ermine]

I think hyper critical for ranged would help other weapon then auto pistol

[rotund hazel]

what talents not working?

[acoustic sable]

What ranged weapon is best to pair with the desperado perk?

[hazy vector]

ok wtf openning inventory causes infinite loading and then game crashing for me

[exotic temple]

I wish it would work for dual stubs.

[lilac ermine]

Braced auto or autopistols

[acoustic sable]

Thanks

[hazy vector]

would actually make them good

[limber cradle]

Or Vraks IAG

[exotic temple]

Exactly

[acoustic sable]

I've heard needle pistol is a really good weapon for the hive scum. I assume the low ammo and fire rate don't make it ideal for desperado though. I guess they have more of a rampage-focused build

[sand haven]

Quick and Deadly talent works for the chem damage from Needle Pistol?

[lilac ermine]

Good for melee build

[limber cradle]

Yes

[hazy vector]

For desperado you go either smg or double barrel, needler is for every other build

[limber cradle]

QnD is universal iirc

[tight musk]

In Your Face also works for Needle pistol, but only when you're holding the gun.

[limber cradle]

Theyre a perfect sidearm to a melee build ime

[acoustic sable]

Thanks for confirming. I just unlocked needle pistol and its damage output looks awesome, but I really enjoy desperado.

[lilac ermine]

Needle pistol is so op 5 hit is full stacked and keep meleeing to keep tox stacks up

[acoustic sable]

I'm debating between using a needle pistol and going melee build, or sticking to smg and desperado

[lilac ermine]

Those stacks just kill bosses in 10 seconds

[past blade]

is bonesaw any good

[sand haven]

It's good, but you need some cleave to make it work better

[hazy vector]

I don't like it

it is meh

[past blade]

i did not have a good time with it when i used it

[sand haven]

Or else it'll get stuck in armor during swings

[limber cradle]

I s2g if a smyker joins my game I'm gonna lose my mind

[acoustic sable]

What melee is ideal for the rampage perk?

[sand haven]

Wrath blessing is enough

[lilac ermine]

Need cleave and attack speed talents

[past blade]

wanted to try for like a full chem build cause the DOT seems good

[limber cradle]

Whatever the fuck you want, that shit makes HSword and DClaw viable

[lilac ermine]

And I think combo is lights plus push attack

[rancid coral]

Forgetting the peak Vraks for Desperado?

[tight musk]

Shock & Awe gives the saw a lot of cleave by ignoring enemy hit mass.

[acoustic sable]

I like prison shiv but I don't know if its damage output is good enough to sustain rampage

[astral canyon]

It is

[lilac ermine]

I thought rampage goes off hits

[sand haven]

it does

[acoustic sable]

Maybe I'm mistaken. I know desperado goes off of kills.

[past blade]

with alot of attack speed and cleave is it gonna rock to use

[limber cradle]

Got another fucking smyker I'm losing it bro, I've gotten one smyker a game for my last 6 games. Did I do something awful fatshark? What do I have to do to get these fucking creatures out of my lobbies?

[past blade]

cause the needle pistol is fun af and i jsut wanna bea chem addict

[tight musk]

Desperado is gun kills at close range, Rampage is just melee hits.

[hazy vector]

dual smg seem better

[lilac ermine]

I got to havoc 40 yesterday 🙏

[limber cradle]

Depends on what you want, Vraks is Killier, DAPs are more mobile

[lilac ermine]

With hive scum the havoc 40 games is like 20 mins

Idk how people are doing games for 1 hr

[rancid coral]

I can actually shoot enemies with vraks past 1 meter

xddd

Bombers begone

Snipers begone

[hazy vector]

oh, interesting, backstabs stacks have infintie duration

[sand haven]

yes they do

[hazy vector]

gotta experiment with that talent

[sand haven]

it's really good with the shivs

[rancid coral]

Isn't that just hab dreyko in general

[sand haven]

and the tac axe

[lilac ermine]

Infinite like whole game?

[limber cradle]

Its a "dont miss" talent

[limber cradle]

Until you fuck up a backstab

[lilac ermine]

Ya I did hab dreyko

[tight musk]

I use smite on a psyker.

But it's just there for the electric effect on heavy attacks to clear hordes faster. Turns out the tac axe's push attack is a heavy attack, and I use it a lot in combat cause it hits hard as hell with all the buffs going.

[hazy vector]

Can easily be killed with smgs too

just short bursts of like 4 bullets

[hazy vector]

thinking what ult and keystone ot go with it though

[rancid coral]

Hab dreyko is a short map ya

[hazy vector]

Should be easy enough to stack up again against any relevant target (ogryns and bosses)

[limber cradle]

No i mean straight up smite out from the moment the match starts Palpatine unlimited power ass smykers

[lilac ermine]

We did magistratum obliquette h40 in 30 min

[rancid coral]

Holding m2 +m1 and controlling spread like a boss with vraks 8)

[rancid coral]

Surprisingly enough now that there's no walls of rotten + pink maps are a lot quicker too ye

[past blade]

how strong is a hive scum if i just leaned purely into chem related shenanigans

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-missed-gunshot-gif-18359004

[lilac ermine]

Whats pink maps

I didnt get to play when rotten armor was popular

[rancid coral]

I meant to say "pink, maps..."

[sand haven]

Rampage is really good with it. I run Chem Dependency for the keystone.

[calm aurora]

rotten armor was popular?

[limber cradle]

In rotation I imagine

[rancid coral]

Well now for sure it's gonna be even less liked considering it's ranged res now also applies to melee xddd

[lilac ermine]

What is the pink modifier

[rancid coral]

Encroaching Garden

Healing

Pink shining enemies healing others

[lilac ermine]

Oo wow that sounds hard with rotten armor

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-power-rangers-pink-gif-8140571

[rancid coral]

It wasn't "hard", just very annoying and tedious

[limber cradle]

What are the green ones?

[rancid coral]

Because rotten armor enemies moved slower

[rancid coral]

There's a few instances of "green" modifier

If you mean Havoc, and the one right now

That's "The blight spreads"

[limber cradle]

Naturally, why would they be color coded

[lilac ermine]

My most unfavorite modifier is poxgas

[limber cradle]

Like they got a green sheen on em

[limber cradle]

I think thats everyones

[lilac ermine]

U have to memorize map or something

I dont know all the safe spots

[old quiver]

I didnt reached lvl 30 with hivescum but I disliked shivs, autopistol and bone saw.
crowbar is ok and I loved dual stub pistols.
and I mainly play with dual stubs as ranged guy with crowbar as offhand.
but after watching this tier list I started wondering.
is dual pistols gets much weaker on higher diff?

[rancid coral]

The thing is there's 2 Havoc modifiers that do that pfff

Current one is "The blight spreads". Green shining enemies will drop goo on death and infects others nearby

The other one, that is not currently in rotation, is "Pus Hardened Enemies", which makes green shining enemies have a big DR against ranged

[bronze glade]

in what world is the chaxe bad lol

bro playing a patch from a year ago

and dual stubs are fine

some people like them, i think they're just fine

crowbar is pretty shit t ho

[weary pebble]

Don't listen to Mister E for tier lists

[tender marten]

crowbar is an s tier weapon ...... if you don't primary it

[lilac ermine]

Dual autopistol gets stronger and dual stub pistol is weaker

[sand haven]

Ey one other thing. The alt mode stacks brittleness with the normal 40%. So up to 77.5% if someone else on your team stacks brittleness with you

[echo hemlock]

Realy?! Now thats a shame

[past blade]

what should i put as my 60% on bone saw?

[sand haven]

Mobility

[past blade]

ty

[sand haven]

Can't afford to lower Finesse, Critical Bonus, or First Target ever lol

[lilac ermine]

Is there one that makes melee attacks worse

[past blade]

spent all my money and didnt get one

lets GO

[lilac ermine]

Just melee not ranged

[past blade]

i got one for first target lol

2 actually

[sand haven]

Check if he has one for sale

[surreal python]

I had to use chainaxe on vet to master it and by the emperor this is the worst melee weapon ever

[past blade]

unfortinately not

[rancid coral]

There's nothing that makes enemies only more tanky against melees alone

[bronze glade]

build issue, it's very strong

[rancid coral]

Either ranged only, or everything

[hazy vector]

why not adrenaline

[surreal python]

The attack pattern was annoying me a lot tbh

[past blade]

i got one that is also 60 pen

dont figure i should use that tho

[lilac ermine]

Melee bias.. 😔

[bronze glade]

use mk xii, run HT slaughterer

light spam for hordes

PA for ragers

revved heavy for carapace

easy as it gets

[sand haven]

Personal preference. I like having 20% crit on both weapons all the time. Also tend to run with a duo partner and use the crate more than rampage

[tender marten]

chaxe 12 is such a powerhouse but ive long given up convincing people of this

[rancid coral]

Shouldn't be surprising considering the Game we are in

[bronze glade]

people are too high on youtube slop

[hazy vector]

ah, you run low cd stim

[rancid coral]

No, that's the chainsword

[tender marten]

even reginald who overglazes the shit out of chaxes puts his mark iv at like a tier but calls the xii d or c tier at best and that hurts me

[hazy vector]

With chem crate you can run 100% viscosity stim and still have 4 stacks

[lilac ermine]

I dont think box builds use cd stim

Oh wait nvm

[hazy vector]

what

[tender marten]

its like people dont know how to push attack or do heavy attacks without reving or something

[sand haven]

Yeah around 60 seconds is the sweet spot for me. Needle pistol makes it really easy to shorten the CD when horde is active

[past blade]

what is viscosity stimm?

[hazy vector]

it is stim stat

[rancid coral]

Btw there's a bug with stimm supply, which gives you the stimm effect Even if it's on cooldown

[hazy vector]

higher viscosity = higher cd

[past blade]

ah okay

yeahb i have no clue what to do on the stimm

[tight musk]

His issue with chainaxe is that it's not fast enough or smth like that.

[bronze glade]

mkxii with 10% attack speed should be sufficiently flast

its around rashad levels

[rancid coral]

Depends on the build

Melee tends to max out str and put 1-2 points into something else

Desperado tends to either mix CDR + STR path

Stimm crate tends to max out CDR and then put a little bit on other stuff

[limber cradle]

Lmfao thank you for visual clarity FS

[lapis raft]

i think everyone goes str unless you are doing super low cd memes

[limber cradle]

Blight spreads is awful

[rotund hazel]

are there any talents that are bugged?

[past blade]

i did attack spd and strength with crit for my bonesaw and chem

[lapis raft]

and then you just sprinkle some stuff on top of str

[limber cradle]

I miss when the consistent modifier was DH rituals cause that shit is a nothing modifier

[unreal stirrup]

Istg i was not tweaking

[lapis raft]

well you are playing scum so just click crate for this one ez

[rotund hazel]

oh nice ill use it than

[limber cradle]

No.

[unreal stirrup]

me when the demonhost from the next continent activates because i drank water

[rancid coral]

It's easy to replicate actually

1- Drop stimm supply
2- Get out of the area
3- Get back in the area
4- Enjoy full effects of your custom stimm

[past blade]

how consistent is it?

[rancid coral]

100% replicable

Even your teammates can do it

[past blade]

oh my

[lapis raft]

even ifyou dont like crate you have blessed stimms instead worst case

[lilac ermine]

Would stim crate use cdr if they get full cdr from getting stim back

[rancid coral]

They just need to get in, get out, and get in again instead

[rancid coral]

Yes, CDR is powerful

It's worth

Even if there's small diminishing loses

[main trellis]

Both

[rotund hazel]

i was already using crate so this is very good

[lilac ermine]

I was using build that has 15 second stim so I got box back every 15 seconds

[main trellis]

Mk4 has 3 rev ticks
Mk13 has 4
Same for chainaxes;
Mk4 has 3
Mk 12 has 4

[lilac ermine]

It was so bad

[lapis raft]

that sounds pretty bad when sample collector exists so you dont need to make super garbage stimms :d

[winged bay]

it's fine for blight

[main trellis]

Ye its an option; just forgetting that the special exist to mevits kinda a waste - rev is very valuable

[dim moth]

veteran can make Mk IV chain axe two shot light attack crushers :)

It's not going to do that on a normal build it has to settle for just 3 shotting them usually

but if you REALLY crank your damage it can infact just delete them in 2 hits

[lilac ermine]

I had to do penance with 1000 heavy attack kills

And it let me have stim 100% time

[surreal python]

I see I see

[lapis raft]

ah, fair

[surreal python]

I'll just focus on hive scum for now

[lilac ermine]

Rn I still have penance for gain 2600 toughness with stim

[dim moth]

yeah scum also has to settle for just 3 tapping crushers with chaxe

very sad

or like 1 rev

[tender marten]

VRRBRRBRBRBRBR

[lilac ermine]

Is healthbar cheating

[lapis raft]

yea not much progress on this one here either lol

[past blade]

just did a damantion where my team got gunned down in 2 seconds by gunners right infront of me

[tender marten]

bullets hurt, more at 11

[lilac ermine]

Im almost done it needs the toughness stims to complete

[compact oyster]

Low toughness no gunner resistance

[lilac ermine]

Someone told me it can be completed by just toughness gained during stims

But I didnt progress when I stopped using toughness stims

[lapis raft]

i dont think i used the tougness stimms once so i must've progressed from something at least

maybe allied scums

[lilac ermine]

Maybe other hive scum box

[dim moth]

I am CONVINCED that the instant toughness restore stim doesn't count for this >:(

[tight musk]

I just went full on the toughness regen branch for the stimm and paired it with the stimm supply to use it more often.

It was kinda annoying but I got the penance.

[dim moth]

It SUCKS

[brittle sierra]

You know why that penance is hard to get?

[dim moth]

because coherency toughness is a worthless source of toughness recovery?

[brittle sierra]

If you are full toughness, you get nothing to the progress 😈

[dim moth]

no shit

[tender marten]

yea and youre either full or dead so

[tight musk]

Just break your toughness, easy.

[undone sorrel]

That pennance isnt that hard tbh

[tender marten]

just use it like a shitty discount rampage for a couple rounds

[tight musk]

Pretend you're a marty zealot and hug a fire barrel.

[dim moth]

it's not hard but it's fucking slow because coherency toughness regeneration is almost completely useless

[undone sorrel]

I just swapped the cooldown stim for a toughness stim on my melee build and got it in like 2 or 3 matches

[dim moth]

fire barrels damage you directly through your toughness

[rapid mango]

that doesnt work lmao

[rapid mango]

what does this have to do with the stim penance? or am i confused

[dim moth]

the stimms that you need to recover toughness with give coherency toughness regen speed

and I have no evidence for this but I am convinced that the instant toughness restore nodes do not count

[undone sorrel]

I was getting like 600-800 of that pennance knocked off per match, already had 300 before i started going for it specifically, doesnt take long at all on damnation

[dim moth]

I have never seen it go up by more than 200

no matter what I do or how I play

with stimm box to use the damn thing more often

[lapis raft]

mortis trials should count for it as well right maybe i will just do it there

[dim moth]

I have been doing it in mortis trials

[lilac ermine]

I think I get more use out of when im melee hive scum

Bc I take more toughness dmg

[limber cradle]

Its simply tedious

[limber cradle]

I stood in fire to farm it tbh

[undone sorrel]

Are you fully specced in to toughness? Since theres also the flat +50 toughness in the stim, adds up pretty fast

[lilac ermine]

Is the flat one even count

[undone sorrel]

Honostly its not that tedious unless youre literally playing with like, 3 shout veterans

[north saddle]

Man, what the hell am i even supposed to do with the vigilant autogun on ganger lmao? The (mediocre at best) gun with low mags and single shots or small bursts that you need to stand still for in order to use it properly, is on the class that benefits from running around and spewing a torrent of lead at the enemy while ducking, diving, slipping and sliding....

Who the hell approved this ?

#deletevigilantautogun

[limber cradle]

Alright my next havoc isnt blight spreads+pox gas

So yk

That's nice

[dim moth]

I am convinced that does not count

[undone sorrel]

Worked for me 🤷‍♂️

[dim moth]

And it has to actually be the regeneration

[north saddle]

You lucky goose

[limber cradle]

I deserve this

[undone sorrel]

Unless youre using the stim at full toughness or something it should count

[north saddle]

💅🏻🍹

[dim moth]

I am using stimm crate the instant I take toughness damage and it just doesn't work 90% of the time

[undone sorrel]

Though idk if the talent that gives toughness when you use a stim counts or not, or whether it gets counted before the stims toughness regain or not

[lilac ermine]

Guys battering momentum works with ranged attacks and boom bringer

[dim moth]

oh I already know that one doesn't work

[north saddle]

Pls enlighten me again what does that do?

[lilac ermine]

Hitting 3 or more enemies with melee attack gives next attack 50% cleave

[undone sorrel]

I would just use the toughness stim when my toughness would get broken, or the moment a rager would pull up on me

[lilac ermine]

So hit 3 enemies and your rocket has 50% cleave

[dim moth]

my toughness doesn't get broken that often >:(

and weh nit does fuckin' BURST OF ENERGY

YEAAAAAAAAH

[undone sorrel]

Play riskier

[north saddle]

And it gets triggered with ranged you say....

Lovingly eyes the revolver 👀

[undone sorrel]

Youre a crackhead soldier, act like one

Steal their copper

Its in their veins

[undone sorrel]

It belongs to you

[north saddle]

Youve heared it here first boys, If you dont get hit enough, youre a skill issue wuss

[lilac ermine]

It says next melee attack but fatshark messed up so it works for grenades

[dim moth]

no it just seems to work for your next anything

weird

[undone sorrel]

I mean, of course the toughness replenishment pennance is gonna be harder if you dont lose toughness enough to regain it through the stim

Though im also admittedly not crazy good at melee combat

I just dodge a lot, block occaisionally, and aim for the head and it works most-ish of the time

Push now and then too

I just be swangin

On a related note

Shivs are absolutely divine on rampage builds

Especially with the chem toxin on crit node

The cleave on their light attacks absolutely chews through hordes too

Its like combat knife if it was good

(I know its good, but that weapon is hot ass when it comes to non-single target)

Honostly, i only really fw combat knife on stealth zealot where it can just one shot crushers from stealth

Very nice for clearing out bulwarks bodyblocking stuff behind them so your team can just fire indiscriminately in to the horde

[lapis raft]

downside of shivs is that the light attacks look very silly and knife light attacks look very cool :d

but yea very little reason to do knife on scum over shivs sadly if you are actual melee build

[undone sorrel]

Honostly though, idk if I fw crowbar much, like it just feels so limp as a weapon, feels like it puts in half the work with twice the effort

Even bonesaw feels better than it (at least when you pump it full of attack speed and cleave, bonesaw is kinda ass otherwise)

[rare stirrup]

no cleave ✅
no stagger ✅
dogshit moveset ✅
no damage ✅
oh yeah, its crowbar time

[undone sorrel]

Mode switching feels super clunky too tbh

[lapis raft]

they should've put shovel on scum instead 👌

[undone sorrel]

Like switching from strikedown to sweeping moveset feels like it has a lot more delay on it after attacks than the other way around

[rare stirrup]

devs looked at rashad and thought "ok, make this but bad"

out comes crowbar

[lilac ermine]

Crowbar blunt side should stagger crushers and bulwarks

[undone sorrel]

Should give it pre-nerf levels of dueling sword carapace damage

When i weapon has a blessing called can opener, i expect that shit to be able to open cans

[rare stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[bronze glade]

Crowbar actually has great stagger

[rare stirrup]

they should give crowbar parry

[bronze glade]

Agree with the rest though

[dim moth]

no stagger?

it has a stagger override on the crow mode's heavy attack

that will always stagger what you hit with it no matter what (not bosses)

[undone sorrel]

Only cans crowbar is opening is cans of corpse starch

[lilac ermine]

It didnt stagger chaos spawn for me

[rare stirrup]

real

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184664326712332342/1389322809037160448/attachment-3-1.gif

your crowbar is defective

[rare stirrup]

come back when it staggers rinda karnak, chuddie

[undone sorrel]

The crowbar isnt bad for breaking shields tbh

[livid raven]

more like midbar, am i right

[undone sorrel]

At least i think, could have just been teamates chewing through the shields more, but felt sorta like uhhh

Shock mauls special attack on shields

[broken moss]

if you listen to people round here you'd think scum only has 3 weapons. daps, shivs and the needler

[rare stirrup]

you forgot iag and shredder

and nothing else

[broken moss]

I can't remember the last time I saw anyone with either of those in game and even around here I've not personally seen them spoken of much

[tight musk]

Hate it when my crowbar does zero damage to a crusher.

[rare stirrup]

i see them mentioned every time talk about best desperado weapons comes up

[broken moss]

daps still king of scumbag guns and it ain't close

[rare stirrup]

shredder has better sfx

[hazy vector]

Shivs do same thing faster

[rare stirrup]

cope

[hazy vector]

crowbar honestly very overrated

[broken moss]

at any rate my point is that they do have a lot of other options and they're all good if not busted like the main offerings

[rare stirrup]

well i play rashad + shredder desperado so what do i know

[neon mango]

crowbar is potential weapon

[livid raven]

meet potential weapon

[broken moss]

I'll never understand why people would get into a new class with all new weapons and then pick up the same shit they been abusing on other classes for years

[amber sundial]

Laziness

[broken moss]

I'd understand if the ones they do have weren't actually disgusting

[livid raven]

i mean if you don't do that, your choices for melee are:

• Shivs
• Saw
• Crowbar

now, shivs are cool even if they are just knife +1

[lilac ermine]

I only use new weapons

[livid raven]

but man, you couldn't pay me to use Saw or crowbar

[broken moss]

that's 3 whole ass new weapons

[lilac ermine]

Needle, shiv, autopistol

[broken moss]

and they're fun. and pretty good. especially the saw

[undone sorrel]

Iag is quite good with desperado, trades the hordeclear of the smgs for better range and an easier time focussing down elites/specialists tbh

[north meteor]

I still think the shiv heavy should hit twice since you literally hit with both shivs

[rare stirrup]

they overcooked the arbites weapons on release so this time they just decided to make most of them mid from the start

[undone sorrel]

Smgs still have more damage from experience though

[livid raven]

as in, half the current damage but double hit

yeah would be cool

[undone sorrel]

At least against most things, think iag fares better against carapace

[north meteor]

yea that would be fine. I want it to double hit for poison stacks

[livid raven]

yeah i get you

[hazy vector]

That happens when new weapons are bad

[livid raven]

i tested and i think IAG are absolutely trash fire against carapace even compared to daps

[broken moss]

I'm not a fan of iag but I know some love it. it's just old, tired and boring. never see much talk about the twin stubs and those are nearly as strong as daps and a lot more fun

[hazy vector]

HS only has 3 really good weapons: shivs, needler, smgs. Everything else is mid

[livid raven]

but that's not really important, they both suck balls against carapace

[lapis raft]

yea shivs not double hitting makes no sense ngl, would give them better identity than just knife upgrade

[broken moss]

except they're not

[hazy vector]

neither people using only old weapons

[livid raven]

it happens when the new weapons don't feel nice to use

[lapis raft]

like shivs having higher damage light attack makes no sense over knife (it makes sense as far as the weapon baalnce goes but the shivs are literally just weaker knife visually), if it was low damage but double hit now that would make sense

[undone sorrel]

Maybe it just felt better since it used less mags than smgs

[rare stirrup]

tbh i couldnt give less of a shit about how powerful saw is

i hate the moveset

[livid raven]

yeah, i think the same as power sword

[neon mango]

yeah saws moveset feels jank as hell

[undone sorrel]

Yeah saw feels like ass tbh

[livid raven]

it might be the best melee in the game, still won't use it

[rare stirrup]

saw could be the most op thing in the game and i would never equip it

[hazy vector]

power sword has great moveset though...

[rare stirrup]

yeah idk what bro is on about, psword is great

[broken moss]

saw feels like ass cuz you're building it wrong

[hazy vector]

like how can you not like horizontal swings

[lapis raft]

yea the moveset sucks ass but i love the idea behind the weapon otherwise

[undone sorrel]

Only time i have fun woth saw is when im lightspamming in to hordes with attack speed and cleave

[livid raven]

how dudes hate the saw and then go succ the psword

crazy

[tight musk]

They should give Bone Saw the Superiority blessing because that shit applies to toxin damage.

[hazy vector]

???????? they have nothing in common at all?

not a single thing

not one animation frame

[livid raven]

a lot of things infact

[lapis raft]

they have at least 3 letters in common smh

[undone sorrel]

Honostly hate the power sword just as much

Chainsword too

[hazy vector]

https://tenor.com/view/whyyy-gif-3239499918304579127

[rare stirrup]

people be playing without skitarius in 2025 smh.........

[undone sorrel]

Chainsword feels so ass to use vompared to how cool it looks

[hasty agate]

Yep

[hazy vector]

chsword only suffers against carapace

[broken moss]

build the saw for cleave and stop resigning yourself against anything that can't make use of uncanny strike

[hazy vector]

it melts anything below that

[rare stirrup]

why would i though

[broken moss]

revved it actually ain't horrible

[hazy vector]

its hitbox sucks ass, no amount of cleave will fix that

[undone sorrel]

Moveset does not feel enjoyable to use at all tbh

[broken moss]

I have zero issues with my saw build

[lilac ermine]

Is ppl use that mod that does combos for you alot

[hazy vector]

i think it is not moveset, but ratheri t does not feel weighty, why it looks like it should be

[tranquil fjord]

skitarri yeah

[hazy vector]

cringe

[lilac ermine]

So what combo is saw do

[broken moss]

at some point they're going to develop a mod that just plays the game for people

[hazy vector]

i think it is light-heavy?

or heavy-light

[neon mango]

latch attacks 🤢

[livid raven]

light spam for hordes i think

[broken moss]

you can go fuck off and make popcorn while it runs the level

[exotic temple]

It’s weird. I like it with lots of cleave hv and doing pattk h2 l1 h2 some people prefer it with stacking attk speed and spamming l1-4. Some people hate it so it’s kinda personal thing.

[livid raven]

we love latch attacks in our glass cannon class

[undone sorrel]

Probably, idk i just wish it had the like, revved light attacks that chainaxe has

[lapis raft]

everyone is

except ogryn xd

[rare stirrup]

i will be dead in the ground before i manually do even a single combo

[undone sorrel]

Chainsword feels like most the time youre hitting enemies with the blade guard on the back end of the weapon

[rare stirrup]

the flesh is weak fr

[broken moss]

should get that looked at

[undone sorrel]

Feels more like a club than a chainsaw

[lilac ermine]

Wth the mod has option to turn off exploding as psyker

[lapis raft]

i have skittarius configured so i can hold left click for light attack spam but i still keep foretting i have it configured for that and i spam left click instead :d

[livid raven]

it only stops the current attack if you reach 97% peril

it won't stop you from exploding if you attack again then

[rare stirrup]

every button on my mouse except m2 is bound to a skitarius combo

[hazy vector]

what is broken?

[lapis raft]

the ranged dodge linger they did right

[lilac ermine]

I dont think I need mod cus I barely use melee

[hazy vector]

WHAT

[tranquil fjord]

this game really needs an autoclicker for guns

[broken moss]

average dap abuser

[livid raven]

i would still use it to use heavies with the least amount of charge needed

and to loop them

[hazy vector]

to the degenerate zealot chat you go

[tranquil fjord]

dual stubbers would feel better to use with macro

[lapis raft]

👌

[hazy vector]

hm

[livid raven]

in a month

[hazy vector]

today i got hit inside a dodge

[sturdy linden]

shrimply use Bloodletter

[hazy vector]

although that could be strike intended for another player

[rare stirrup]

when the unaugmented humans start yapping about sumn so you just gotta hit them with that skitarius stare

[reef spoke]

Ranged only from what I noticed

[livid raven]

yeah

[hazy vector]

????? bleeding does little damage to carapace without something like uncanny

[sturdy linden]

try it out. Bloodletter Rampage Chsword works absolutely fine against Carapace

[exotic temple]

For the dstub holding left click down should just fire it auto for you

[lapis raft]

well bloodletter aint doing shit there at minimum

[sturdy linden]

I really wish people would cut the yap and actually test shit in the psykhanium

[livid raven]

very easy to test

[reef spoke]

You get a lot of rending from talents and maybe stim

[lapis raft]

thats exactly what i did

[lilac ermine]

It says you can use mod to do faster attack with attack cancels to gain 200% attack speed is that true

[broken moss]

shivs are good. and can be fun. but I think if a weapons move set is so braindead that you feel the need to automate clicking one button because no other combinations are needed, you should be playing a different weapon

[livid raven]

is this with any rending from anything

[exotic temple]

Like I shouldn’t have to get an addon for that kinda qol

[reef spoke]

sad power sword noises

[lapis raft]

you are the yapper here with 0 data to back it up not me

[sturdy linden]

I use it on an MF Vet and kill carapace with it lol

[livid raven]

ok so what you are saying is

if i got with a 500 rating chainsword with no rending bonus, the bleed does good damage against crushers right?

[broken moss]

I don't really play power sword so IDK but at least you have to power it up

[sturdy linden]

yes, in my experience

but given deathbeam's claim I can test it

brb

[livid raven]

i'm testing it

[tranquil fjord]

does it make a crusher breakpoint

[lapis raft]

get any mod that tracks actual damage dealt and check it

[lilac ermine]

Psword is not braindead what

[sinful matrix]

That'd be. . . the vast majority of melee weapons

[north saddle]

Knife has been my second favorite choice on psyker because of the mobility. Especially on every not melee build where making a sleek and timely getaway is important

[lapis raft]

the bleed damage without uncanny is like rly bad

[sinful matrix]

It's really, REALLY fuckin close to braindead

[rare stirrup]

sp bc l1 l2 l3

truly groundbreaking

[sinful matrix]

The only reason it's not is because of dodge limit

[reef spoke]

The moveset for horde clear is L1 -> L2 -> block charge

Single target is Push attack -> L1 -> L2

Not even a single Heavy lol

[tranquil fjord]

you forgot sp bc pa light

the only other combo

[lilac ermine]

It has weapon special activation, less mobility, block push attack

[limber cradle]

PSword is pretty braindead ime, the only thing that separates it and CAxe is the fact you gotta turn it on

[broken moss]

this is already 4x the complexity of shivs

[lilac ermine]

I think it has one of worst mobility melees in game

[sinful matrix]

This is the big one

[limber cradle]

Doesnt matter if you just mulch everything infront of you

[sinful matrix]

You can activate>mash mouse 1>activate and be fine in 99% of the game

[rare stirrup]

well shivs is perhaps THE most braindead weapon in the game

[reef spoke]

The difference is Psword has like 12 cleave so you normally only need to M1 once

[sturdy linden]

Rashad honestly

well, they're on the same level

[lilac ermine]

Shiv and knifes is easier then psword

[alpine junco]

bruh

[reef spoke]

Rashad is arguably more braindead imo

[sinful matrix]

the last 1% is like. . . havoc 20 and up where you need to really start thinking about positioning and if you're going to get trappered/dogged/crusher or mauler overheaded

[lilac ermine]

Like at least you can survive a demonhost forever with so much mobility

[limber cradle]

You kinda have to be able to aim shiv special and its the only thing saving them from being turbo braindead imo

[north meteor]

the most fun* weapon in the game

[rare stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-spongebob-plankton-true-truth-gif-5372815280279127843

[lapis raft]

hey knife isnt as braindead as shivs dont put them to same category smh

[alpine junco]

the blender

[limber cradle]

Knife is DS 2

You just push attack with that mf

[north meteor]

pretty similar smh

[lapis raft]

yea and you dont even do that with shivs :d

[dim moth]

I guess spamming push attack mindlessly is one more button than spamming light attack mindlessly

[lilac ermine]

All the bad vets dont even use psword they use shovel and knife

[limber cradle]

Tbf you have the option of light or heavy with them which is exactly one more option

[limber cradle]

They use DS tbh

[dim moth]

yeah no bad vets universally use DS in my experience

[north meteor]

who doesn't heavy with shivs

[lilac ermine]

Or that.. long knife

[limber cradle]

Ive seen people only fast knife with it to apply stacks fwiw, they exist. We might like to pretend they don't but.

[lapis raft]

well knife is light or heavy or push attack, thats 3!

[broken moss]

no need

[dim moth]

it's ME

[exotic temple]

Does anybody else make it a mini game to see how far your can snipe someone with the knife special on shivs?

[broken moss]

braindead enough to light attack through cara for the same DPS

[reef spoke]

My best was 30ish meters on a bomber

[dim moth]

bitches fear my DoT stats

[lilac ermine]

Ive never used the shiv special in match

But I have equip

[limber cradle]

Its very good tbh

[winter tusk]

Shiv special isn't too good if youre built out of tox

[sturdy linden]

no buffs no nothing, MF Vet

[north meteor]

I still heavy a good bit. Especially after HV stacks, a heavy can one shot when lights barely don't

[reef spoke]

I love when bombers stand still

[undone sorrel]

I cant put down the force greatsword, shits chained to my arm like im a black templar

[lapis raft]

shiv special is to save time on wep swap :d

[north meteor]

I have two shot a crusher with shivs though. Kinda broken ngl

[lapis raft]

very gud

[reef spoke]

It's good enough for the occasional specialist I find

[limber cradle]

Tbh if you aren't specced into toxin its still a free toxin applicator

[livid raven]

yeah the blood is doing jackshit

[winter tusk]

Its alright, but it doesnt kill some specials on bodyshot if youre melee

[livid raven]

he was right

[reef spoke]

Ah yeah tox bombers lol

[winter tusk]

All rampage/adrenaline

[reef spoke]

Tox bombers are weirdly tanky I find

[lapis raft]

i wish that discord player loaded faster than downloading the vid and playing it externally lmao

[north saddle]

There arent many weapons whose intricate moveset ive mastered. It's mostly button mashing lmao.

I sometimes do light heavy light heavy combos on Devils claws and heavy swords or Lightattack-pushattack-heavy on combat knife or light light push heavy stab on force greatsword but other than that its always been LEEEROOOY JENKINS for me

[lapis raft]

like how isdiscod player this dogshit wtf

[lilac ermine]

How big is that vid'

I cant load it

[reef spoke]

Small company pls understand

[sturdy linden]

Discord is just dog

[livid raven]

also this is with rending strikes

[tranquil fjord]

relic blade mk2 moveset

[north meteor]

every time I upload and want to make sure it was sent correctly, it doesn't play for like 2 minutes

[winter tusk]

Shitcord