hivescum-class

[young herald]

I can almost guarantee what happened is they called a meeting for how to address all the people crying about the nimble "bug", someone suggested just making dodge linger apply to ranged too, and they collectively went "alright sounds good. We need it for the patch in 4 hours, so make it happen."

[grand jewel]

they can fit on a helmet?

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/beta-jesse-lee-peterson-gif-15785063

[noble latch]

they shoulda made dodge linger apply to ALL sources of damage

woulda been more fair

[young herald]

they did

[noble latch]

no more barrel fire hurting me

or barrels

[tranquil berry]

the fun part is... all these changes that they're taking a week+ to fix are literally config changes. Stuff like that was literally a 1 liner in 1 file. So what were they doing for the rest of the week if not testing the consequence of what should've been 3 seconds of actual work to change that 1 line?

[noble latch]

just dodge the barrel explosion

[lapis raft]

as a software engineer, pushing anything to live right before holidays is rough :d but also when you break stuff that usually means someones vacation is getting cut short

and not that you fix it after holidays are over

[cedar cairn]

I only use that helmet for Ogryn

[tranquil berry]

mind boggling fatshark work ethic strikes again

[final temple]

the swedes are built different

[young herald]

sweden has bonkers worker protections and a culture where people need (And get) vacations to recover from their legally mandated month long vacations

[north meteor]

Time to become swedish

[clever wren]

If they don't take all six weeks of mandatory paid Christmas holiday the Commissar of Vacations will write them a strongly worded letter

[tranquil berry]

guys, I figured it out... there is no sweden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiaSA1KOvuQ

sweden is fake! doesn't exist! that explains so much!

[young herald]

rofl

[lilac ermine]

If use gun on those will it also refresh instant

Or only 1 hit to all them

[balmy radish]

the unlimited ammo perk ist stupid with killing special/elite makes reserves up to 20%

[young herald]

it needs a cooldown, yeah

[noble latch]

itll be as instant as you can kill them

depends on how fast the guns kill

[lilac ermine]

Bc some ppl tell me percent is base on time remaining and not max time of cd

[young herald]

this specific change was literally deleting like 15 characters from an if statement

[tranquil berry]

yes, took a week, didn't have time to test

[balmy radish]

and whoever said shredder is good on this class buu to you

[young herald]

delete "is_melee and"
completely break ranged balance

[tranquil berry]

what could possibly go wrong?

[noble latch]

thats fine just increase the reaper spawn rate a couple thousand percent and call it even

and replace hordes with scab/dreg gunners

[lilac ermine]

No

[young herald]

yes

[balmy radish]

i have two weapons i would never use by range db shotty and shredder auto pistol

[lilac ermine]

U know who else has infinite ammo on ranged weapons

[lavish bronze]

Why do you want to be sad and cold

[broken moss]

Dont even try to say vet

[lilac ermine]

PSYKER

[noble latch]

psyker also needs nerfs yes

[balmy radish]

Yeets Psychic projectiles at you

[clever wren]

They're small

[broken moss]

and their options are limited in range

[balmy radish]

what do you want to nerf and how and why

[radiant swift]

infinite cleave infinite ammo

hmm

[young herald]

i don't understand this argument. Are you trying to claim that psyker doesn't need to be cast down to hit every branch on the nerf tree, then beaten unconscious with the nerf bat, before getting curbstomped by the foot of god until all that's left are the broken pieces left specifically as a warning to all who come after?

[tranquil berry]

make them instant head pop when they use any sort of magic, because it's heresy

[noble latch]

a lot, because, and yes

[balmy radish]

infinite ammo you can't nerf

[lilac ermine]

No ones going touch psykers infinite ammo

[balmy radish]

inferno i agree

[lilac ermine]

Its part of their identity

[noble latch]

their identity is breaking the game

and making it easier

nullifying certain aspects

[lilac ermine]

Just like hive scum is just almost infinite bullets

[young herald]

i mean, psyker does have finite ammo, technically, it's just the class is stupidly broken and for some reason FS decided psykers should get a gate before exploding unlike in VT

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/cj-gta-gta-san-adreas-gif-19181393

i am.... factually incorrect..?
this... this cannot be....

[grand jewel]

didn't mean that kind of beta

[sullen ridge]

btw the stubs are balanced by giving you carpal tunnel

auto fire mod feels rllllly nice with them

[final temple]

fascinating how ‘ScottZi115’ tells on themselves

[noble latch]

sorry bud, you just dont know the game

[balmy radish]

never had issues with that with m&kb

[noble latch]

i hate reddit

[novel oracle]

literally this is the first time ive heard of a 6x weakened boss spawn

[noble latch]

ive never heard of that either

[warped grove]

reddit is more of a cesspit than Mr. E´s comment section

[novel oracle]

ive heard the horror stories of multiple bosses and a captain, some weakened and some not

which is realistic if you dont progress properly

but 6 bosses is literally impossible

[balmy radish]

yeets you into tanner lindenbergs comment section

[warped grove]

I´ve had Twins, Captain and a BoN at once

out of the starting area

[novel oracle]

if theyre specifically weakened this time

[young herald]

I've definitely seen at least 4-5 boss healthbars up at one time, which is its own kind of nightmare, but that's stuff like a regular spawn, a captain, twins trigger, and 1-2 weakened spawns

[grand jewel]

they're all just shlobbing on his knob about how great the video is

[warped grove]

Opinion on this?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a099db9f-37c0-45e5-9493-48e018f23e1f/havoc-40ish-stimm-crate?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[winter tusk]

Darktide subreddit and almost every darktide youtubers fw

[limber cradle]

What a fuckin reddit way to type that

[grand jewel]

hungry ogryns event could spawn I think 5 plogryns if you were really unlucky but they were all full HP

chaos

[keen timber]

Kid called thammer

[winter tusk]

You're factually incorrect because I have anecdotal evidence from multiple people

[novel oracle]

like thats how it was implemented in havoc 2.0 and iirc nothing about havoc spawns has changed since, just mutators

[warped grove]

beside elite health not much yeah

Max I´ve had was 4, never 6

[novel oracle]

which wasnt even a havoc specific thing

[novel oracle]

4 bosses period?

or specifically weakened bosses

[warped grove]

At a time

Any

[novel oracle]

thats not what we're talking about

we're talking about 6 weakened bosses at a time

all of them weakened

[warped grove]

Weakened bosses tend to spawn on a timer, if you can´t kill a weakened boss before another 3 spawn you may want to consider going back to uprising by that point

that guy must be on crack

[novel oracle]

thats the think

its a chance spawn

but if 2 exist at the same time, itll put a clamp on the chance to spawn for like 10ish minutes

[warped grove]

Most "weakened" bosses I´ve had was on maelstrom with the Monstrous Specialists, never Havoc

So yeah that guy is full of shit lol

"This is actually so wrong it hurts"

[brittle sierra]

opion of what?

[warped grove]

like

is it good

[brittle sierra]

decimator on bonesaw

nope

ghost and stripped down on needle

nope

[warped grove]

lol

[brittle sierra]

CDR on crate build

nope

[warped grove]

So what would you replace what with

[brittle sierra]

taking anything on the top left stimm lab

nope

[warped grove]

there is quite literally no better blessing for needler though

[lapis raft]

also why not click maxed out stimms literally no reason not to with crate

[lapis raft]

run n gun

the damage portion of it works as well for toxin

[brittle sierra]

wtf, u think stirp down is good?

[warped grove]

_ _

yeah?

its saved my ass

[lapis raft]

stripped down is good

i would replace ghost with run n gun

[brittle sierra]

I can sorta understand ghost, but you only have 6 shots

[warped grove]

7

Ammo Jack

Probably replace Ghost yeah

[brittle sierra]

why wtf would u take jacket?

on needle

[warped grove]

cuz Pickpocket

[brittle sierra]

dam bruh that 1 extra shot gonna come in clutch put me in couch

[warped grove]

no its just to get Pickpocket

[lapis raft]

well its pathing node right

yae

[warped grove]

hyper critical is

shit

to say to the least

[brittle sierra]

with all of the dot nodes u need to take, you dont have the luxury to take PP unfortunately

[north meteor]

so how broken is hive scum now that you don't take ranged damage?

[charred bronze]

so you're saying that it's a country whose policies benefit its workers? Crazy

[warped grove]

I did

[brittle sierra]

nope

[warped grove]

Well I did

[brittle sierra]

then you are just playing a worse version of melee scum

[warped grove]

Its a support hybrid

[young herald]

On a scale of 1 to 10, approximately 47,632

[lapis raft]

you had to skip some important stuff like toxin mania so ngl there was a lot of sacrifices made thre

[brittle sierra]

no toxic mania, no hive city brawler, no swift enduance

[lapis raft]

butalso you can drop moving target and booby trap easily

to free 2 points

[brittle sierra]

u can support the team by killing everything

[lapis raft]

so maybe workable

[north meteor]

must be a poe player

[warped grove]

I already do

I pick off specials, clear hordes with saw

[brittle sierra]

tbh the worst thing you missed in this tree is HCB

HCB regardless of the build is like top 5 nodes on the tree for scum

so is Swift endurance

because Bonesaw has shit cleave, u need the attack speed

[north meteor]

Actually, I wonder how bad people's guides are for this game

[lapis raft]

technically on saw especially with bad crit

you can totally skip coated

so thats another +1 point ez

[winter tusk]

The best way to support teammates in this game is by helping delete everything as fast as possible. Get people out of nets, get dogs off, float people who are downed in fire until you can revive

[warped grove]

actually yeah why do I have coated on saw

[brittle sierra]

u also didn't take an extra stam curio, which is pretty important for SE

[lapis raft]

derop moving target booby trap coated, take brawler, maxed out stims, toxin mani

build fixed

[north meteor]

though I agree, I think I think some support builds have high value for teams that want breathing room

[brittle sierra]

tbh I think bonesaw is too cheeks to be good in havoc, it's soo atrocious into mixed hordes that I gave up on it

[lapis raft]

half of the guides i've seen say shit based on feels instead of actual stats so as poe player this hurts me very much

[warped grove]

I think its pretty good

[brittle sierra]

ok so what do you do when there is one mauler in the horde?

[warped grove]

I dunno, cause i tried this out on havoc 29 (sue me its not havoc 40) and it worked well

[warped grove]

needler or purple saw

[frigid thorn]

Has anyone had a problem where when you change the appearance of your character at the barber it doesn't save? I was trying to save a new beard and hair color and it kept not saving the hair color.

[brittle sierra]

and that horde has 20 crushers and ragers in it?

[warped grove]

boom bringer

[bronze glade]

yeah not a fan, it feels really bad to use. it's ok against normal hordes at least

[north meteor]

ah so probably guides for auric slop, but none of it actually feels good in havocs and maelstroms

you aren't hitting breakpoints with most guides

[brittle sierra]

so in a 45 miute game, where these kinds of hordes spawn every minute, you think you will have enough ammo to to deal with them every single time?

[lapis raft]

for hive scum specifically what makes sense to me the least is the swift endurance jerking off in bunch of guides

[warped grove]

thats what pickpocket and the needler is for, boom bringer is for big groups when were cornered otherwise just needle them to death or saw

[north meteor]

being able to one shot ragers with shivs is actually so nice

[lapis raft]

like taht node isnt even that good for most weapons

[tight musk]

Use a rocket launcher.

[lapis raft]

mathematically clicking it without clicking stimm curious makes no sense on shivs for example

and taking stimm curious makes no sense to me in general just for the node to not be shit

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[bronze glade]

9 stam shivs are very funny tho

[final temple]

comfort node when using purple.

[brittle sierra]

im just gonna drop this here then

[warped grove]

exactly bruh

[lapis raft]

also the node only counts full stam so as long as you are not at 100% stam exatly its -1 there

[warped grove]

hyper critical?

you tend to kill most poxwalkers with two slashes of shivs

[winter galleon]

so yall dump colat or mobility on daps?

[warped grove]

I dunno, Ill take HCB but I feel like most other things are fine in this build, its worked so why fix it

[past trench]

What's the dump stat on dual stub pistols ? Mobility as usual ?

[warped grove]

yes

[past trench]

Usual then. Spam brunt armory

[final temple]

you can dump mobility or collateral.

[past trench]

Sixth try :

Weapon done

[north meteor]

honestly you could make an argument that Loose Formation is better than Swift Endurance

[brittle sierra]

hyper critical allows you to reach breakpoints on maniac enemies

sometimes even with maulers

[warped grove]

I see

[final temple]

if you don’t take HV, HC makes sense.

[dim moth]

stab rager one time but it was a crit so he dies

[brittle sierra]

but the last node has a lot of options, u can also instead take cleave

[brittle sierra]

in havoc?

[dim moth]

I suppose it could it one shots them in aurics on my tox build

on a melee build it would certainly one shot havoc 40 ragers

[brittle sierra]

also it effects cleave damage too, it is just good in general for shivs

[lapis raft]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a089693e-d041-4165-83a0-06d61f3db065/stimm-knifeshiv i use this for stimm support atm, even though its not very good

[manic wolf]

Hyperviolence > Hypercritical

😄

[north meteor]

taking both isn't awful though either. Like yea they don't work well together, but it's kinda nice to have HC cover you sometimes before you ramp

[bronze glade]

insane fucking take

[lapis raft]

well with mk3 shivs the hyper violence actually does feel very good with mk1 not as much

but its still impactful

[north meteor]

yea it is

[dim moth]

what

[charred bronze]

been running them together experimentally and stuff blows up. H-C and H-V I mean

[brittle sierra]

you know what, I might as well just make a melee shiv build at this point

y tf am I even using a tox build?

[lapis raft]

ngl i looked at the coherency auras uptimes few times and loose formation do not sounds that bad

[manic wolf]

Fair, I purposefully avoid it because the synergy only works one way

[lapis raft]

still wouldnt click it

[brittle sierra]

tox build is cheeks because FATSHARK fucked up on Dependency

[manic wolf]

And Hyperviolence is better value

[brittle sierra]

the fuck is the point of having 40% CDR if the crate doesn't care about CDR? 💀

[charred bronze]

Is there a way to track H-V stacks?

[dim moth]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d5fc2-56f8-401b-99a0-ee054340b580/100-crit-chance-poop-knife crit chance :)

[charred bronze]

visually I mean?

[warped grove]

it doesnt?

[brittle sierra]

nopee

[manic wolf]

Still works kinda well if you mess about with Chainsword as you can put Shred on that an just profit from crit stacks on Keystone

[brittle sierra]

no

what does CDR do for the crate?

[dim moth]

what do you know you're a goddamn fish

[manic wolf]

Not that I know of

[brittle sierra]

one crusher:

[dim moth]

tox knives

crit rending

[lapis raft]

its a buff so you can track uptime on it at least

[brittle sierra]

ah yes let me crit 16 times one sec guys

[manic wolf]

Yeah I mean.. Rampage?

[north meteor]

Coherency uptime is pretty nice for HS who is pretty squishy. Also just stuff like ammo from Vet and CDR from Psykers kinda give you nice uptime. Also, Swift Endurance is rarely ever used efficiently

[brittle sierra]

oh wait hes dead

[dim moth]

it is

100% crit chance

[charred bronze]

limited usefulness against what I intend to track, which is how high it stacks with and without H-V

[dim moth]

you are critting every time

100% crit chance is not an exaggeration

[manic wolf]

Crushers are not really a barrier for any half decent Scum setup

[dim moth]

it is actually 100%

[brittle sierra]

so why do I need bleed then?

[dim moth]

for things not crushers

takes less hits around a bulwarks shield for them to die to DoT

same for ragers

[north meteor]

isn't actually up to like 115%

[charred bronze]

cuz if the difference is negligible and I still get the bonus of elites blowing up due to H-C when I have no stacks of H-V, then that's the ideal state

[winter tusk]

https://youtube.com/shorts/pD0SeH_tdOI?si=x5UEF4Y79eSddxYa

[exotic temple]

I was also thinking if you had a coherent team the 15% toughness you get from vm could benefit from that talent

[dim moth]

I think so?

[winter tusk]

Hmm

Yt links restricted

[lapis raft]

yea but it will still give you good idea as hc prevents from you having the buff in first place, so if you check uptime without hc and then uptime with hc the % uptime difference should still be very telling i think

[winter tusk]

Who was posting gooning material

[dim moth]

also means every enemy you hit with cleave from a crit is certainly dead in hordes

[timid lark]

I forgot if the "Puncture" blessing of the Bolt Pistol affect any of the Scum weapons like how it affects the projectile from the Psyker's Force Greatsword. Maybe the Shiv's special attack ?

[manic wolf]

Why? You need some?

[dim moth]

I imagine it would if you swapped weapons but shives one shot anyways what's the point

[brittle sierra]

someone get the COPALLER

[winter tusk]

Nah seems like someone was and got youtube links restricted in here

Maybe links in general

[dim moth]

entirely because the needle pistol is all DoT

and the damage benefit for DoTs comes from your equipped weapon

[timid lark]

I mostly heard of something somewhere if there were more weird interactions like that, which I like

[dim moth]

I am not holding an empty needle pistol in my hands just for +25% damage

[lapis raft]

well you are losing damage while firing it still right

[manic wolf]

No

You might see like 2 damage difference on each direct hit

[lapis raft]

no i mean on the dot while holding the gun in your hand

[brittle sierra]

sir they need to get on the copentaltor!!!!!

😷

[dim moth]

the ticks would still do instant damage, but you're firing until you get enough DoT for them to die, and then switching weapons anyways

[manic wolf]

Again, you're not gonna stand there holding it, you're gonna instantly swap to melee

[dim moth]

sprint efficiency to abuse stripped down is better

[manic wolf]

Its just not worth putting damage perks on it

[dim moth]

crit chance to get more stacks per shot more often is better

[manic wolf]

crit chance, stam etc, utility perks, not damage ones for Needler

[north meteor]

It's genuinely not a bad talent. Its just very niche. I'd rarely suggest it to players who know what they're doing though, and at the same time, I'd only suggest it to players who know what they're doing

[past trench]

Tbh, I can not wait to see what new outfits they'll bring to hive scum this week

[lapis raft]

i mean i have it in my hand plenty of time, when clearing on blue mode, when reloading, when theres multiple crushers

[hasty agate]

What cooldown do you guys run on your cartel special with a dependency/desperado build with sample collector? 75s?

[lapis raft]

so idk about not worth. but i can def see the value of maybe 1 utiliy one at least

[manic wolf]

It really isnt worth, Tox DoT's lowest ADM is 0.9, like it really is set it an forgetit

On melee Scum you probably have Unyeilding on your melee weapon anyway and afaik, that still buffs outgoing DoT damage

[sullen ridge]

not to scoreboardpost but genuinely is this class going to get nerfed into the ground

i dont know if its me being good or not cause im kind of a shmuck

this was a maelstrom

[manic wolf]

Ranged Scum probably will, yes

[sullen ridge]

yea ranged scum

[manic wolf]

Yeah, that probably is gonna see heavy nerfs

[sullen ridge]

gosh i hope they find out a different way than nerfing pickpocket though

[lilac ermine]

No it wont

[warped grove]

what scoreboard mod is this?

[manic wolf]

Cat, it is literally gamebreaking.

It will get nerfed.

[sullen ridge]

maybe the reload times so people have to sacrifice damage for reload speed

[lapis raft]

arent ppl already prioritizing reload speed

[sullen ridge]

no the guns reload so fast that its not that important

[lilac ermine]

Only in aurics

[manic wolf]

Pickpocket is most likely to see an internal cooldown, I doubt they'll remove it entirely, but the ranged immunity and Vulture's Dodge I would bet on both getting their guts torn out

[lapis raft]

i think infinite ammo is cool as identity but it should nerf your damage at same time

[manic wolf]

No... Its just gamebreaking, period.

[sullen ridge]

yea vultures dodge needs to just go

[lilac ermine]

I dont think vulture dodge even work against melee

[sullen ridge]

the ranged immunity is too core to desperado i think

[lapis raft]

idk what is this games stance on talents with negatives on it tho as they arent exactly common but scum already has plenty sow ahts 1 more :d

[lilac ermine]

Sometimes im shooting boss and if I stop dodging a poxwalker can hit me

[manic wolf]

Being immune to 80% of the game all the way through a match is not balanced.

[lilac ermine]

When I have 50% crit chanvr

[sullen ridge]

getting nerfed for using an ability always feels bad

[lapis raft]

like lets say pickpocket will stay as is but it will also say you have 15-20% less damage

[sullen ridge]

maybe the ranged immunity could be a huge suppression buff? idk

[warped grove]

I dont get how people dont take pickpocket on some builds, that shit is busted

[livid raven]

as if people are actually aiming while using desperado?

[sullen ridge]

exactly

[manic wolf]

It does. Its "all attacks". Its not immunity like the ability is, but its permanent dodge-state if you crit enough, all you have to do is stay moving

[lapis raft]

or actually put pickpocket on desperado instead of ranged immune and add downside there :d

[warped grove]

it doesnt dodge overheads

[livid raven]

it doesn't dodge AoE attacks

[hazy vector]

i wonder if non-scum players know to touch chem crate aura

[livid raven]

you can't dodge them at all, so that's that

[warped grove]

no

[lapis raft]

a lot of people dont know that it cleanses corruption thats for sure

[sullen ridge]

i see people run to it pretty often now

[manic wolf]

Yeah, and overheads are considered AoE attacks, same for Plogryn stomp, but these instances are very few and far between

[warped grove]

I KNOW I HAVE TO FUCKING CHASE MY TEAMMATES AROUND WITH THE CRATE IN HAND LIKE PLEASE LET ME CLEANSE YOU

[lapis raft]

i have to run atpeeople drop crate on their face to cleanse their corruption a bit with the green goo corruption lol

[lilac ermine]

If I stim then drop crate what buffs will the crate have

[sullen ridge]

what situations would corruption immunity come in handy? facetanking a tox grenade to revive someone i guess

[warped grove]

using crate on green goo is really good cause ontop of cleansing it prevents all corruption gain until the 15 second period ends

[sullen ridge]

yeah the horrible green goo in havoc

[lapis raft]

good at taking bursters too right

[lilac ermine]

Makes everyone immune to bon

[lapis raft]

like worst case

[lilac ermine]

Even when being eaten

[lapis raft]

also great against daemonhost

[warped grove]

and burster corruption, or poxwalker melee corruption

[sullen ridge]

standing still while a burster comes feels like a nightmare

[lapis raft]

well you just drop it when you see burster on your face randomly xd

not saying it works always but its better trhan taking the full blast

[warped grove]

exactly

[sullen ridge]

fair im imagining trying to run after my teammates and put a diaper medkit under them

while they're freaking out over shooting or shoving

[warped grove]

TAKE YOUR MEDS

[hazy vector]

that particular part is rarely relevant

[warped grove]

If you dont have a zealot in havoc

[sullen ridge]

its nice in havoc

for sure

[warped grove]

(or theyre running benediction)

[hazy vector]

wait, was there an update?

[sullen ridge]

havoc's where corruption res really starts coming in handy

[charred bronze]

hm, I'm messing around in the psychanium and the hyper violence buff is never appearing on the bottom

[warped grove]

the humble one tap overhead:

[lapis raft]

yea it doesnt haev icon

[warped grove]

https://tenor.com/view/йвйв-gif-17410664305885425651

[lapis raft]

you need mod to track it

[sullen ridge]

at least you can keep your wound

the crusher insurance wound

[lilac ermine]

Whats best mod for tracking damage of perks

[lapis raft]

perks like what

[sullen ridge]

this power di scoreboard thingy has a nice albeit hard to parse category

[lilac ermine]

Like hyper violence and vulture mark stack toughness gain

[lapis raft]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/661 i made this specficically to track my own damage stats and uptime for example

[lilac ermine]

Or vulture mark damage

[manic wolf]

Might make your game run like shit tho

[winged bay]

toughness gain can't be tracked

[manic wolf]

PowerDI is weird

[sullen ridge]

is powerdi whats causing these out of memories 😭

i figured as much

[lilac ermine]

Did I play with u in game

[winged bay]

when

[lilac ermine]

Yesterday

[winged bay]

I don't know if I played with a cat

[lilac ermine]

Is ur character named haze

[winged bay]

no

[lilac ermine]

Oh okk

[manic wolf]

It can do, also if you're getting crashes and stutters its probably that

[lilac ermine]

I was getting out of memory from crit chance mod

[final temple]

not disagreeing.

[lilac ermine]

Ok I try that I hope my pc isnt explode

[lapis raft]

i tried to make it have minimal impact so shouldnt be too bad

[charred bronze]

is there a way to track maximum damage bonus granted by a specific ability? I have NO idea what kind of levers you have to pull in terms of mod creation

[winged bay]

Not really, you can make inferences based on uptime though

[final temple]

I stick to a 45s (~1 branch) stimm for low CD

[lapis raft]

i think getting the bonus_damage value here should be possible somehow maybe? maybe not, havent looked at that part really much oher than tracking if hyperviolence is up or not

assuming you are talking about hyperviolence

but yea uptime should be enough to tell you if taking hypercritical with it is better or not

[hazy vector]

What the acutal fuck

how these people are playing havoc 20

ogryn of exactly level 30

died in the first 30 seconds of the game

to the first enemy gunner

[lilac ermine]

Everyone is lvl 30

[hazy vector]

first enemy*

[hazy vector]

🤦‍♂️

if you are a modless bitch then yes

[tranquil berry]

modless? 🤮

[zenith fern]

How dare you to be a modless player

Console players disgust me for not having mods

[charred bronze]

well, my testing is ultra informal and unscientific, but while we've been chatting I've been in psychanium killing the elites next to the mauler (since there's no delay I can build H-V reliably, and they're hard targets), with H-V alone, H-C alone, and both. Both murders the shit out of them in noticeably fewer hits.

[tranquil berry]

modless is wrong... sorta like being French... it's just wrong...

[rotund agate]

me enabling mods crashes my game on startup (I probably messed up when updating the mod framework), and the only mod I use nowadays is the ability to name weapons...

[hazy vector]

numeric ui is mandatory tbh

game is unplayable for me without it

Like why it is no t base game

[lapis raft]

i dont use numeric ui, but i use crosshair hud instead so dont rly need it

but its def something that should be base game tho

at least as config option if anything

[rotund agate]

well, I don't wanna become too reliant on stuff like it, since numeric ui seems to break with every decent-sized patch...

[north meteor]

only thing I know a lot of people use that I don't is Spidey Sense. Not really a fan of that mod

[lilac ermine]

That mod is like super cheating

[lapis raft]

it works based on sound clues so is it rly

[tender marten]

yes

[winged bay]

I don't use it anymore but it's the same as having good headphones or a sound setup

[lilac ermine]

Its not sound cue its enemy

[lapis raft]

no its sound

[north meteor]

I don't know about that one lol. I think the wall hack one is, but spidey sense is whatever. Fortnite had it in their base game lmao

[winged bay]

it works based on the sound cues the game actually plays

[exotic temple]

On one hand I’d like them to do more with coherency but on the other I know trying to use those mechanics in a pug game is karked

[winged bay]

if it doesn't play the sound event, it doesn't get tracked by the mod

[tranquil berry]

spidey sense is too visually loud. same with health bars. I like to keep the look and feel of the game the same

except debuff indicator I suppose... that one's too nice not to have...

[lilac ermine]

My friend has and can see poxburster through door when they dont make sound yet

[hazy vector]

health bars is kinda cheaty

i am using it and feel like a bitch

[lapis raft]

that is the dangerous zones mod and not spidey sense pretty sure

[lilac ermine]

Poxburster and trappers

Only enabled

[north meteor]

that is not spidey sense

[hazy vector]

damn havoc players make me toxic

[lilac ermine]

Also isnt crushers silent but it can see them

[north meteor]

I use Health Bars. Its very nice to me, idk

[lapis raft]

yea i use healthbars as well, but mostly for same reason why you would use debuff indicators

to see if my toxin is stacked up

[north meteor]

healthbars should be base game imo too

[lapis raft]

and it looks nicer than debuff indicators

[north meteor]

and I only use it for elites

[hazy vector]

it makes game much easier

[tight musk]

It was really funny watching a clip of someone using that mod and still eat an overhead from a mauler and almost die.

Giant orange text on screen saying "CLEAVE !!" and they still didn't even try to avoid it.

[main trellis]

To a degree… but then why we can see hp bars in psykanium? Make it make sense (that was the reason i started using it; inconsistencies)

[north meteor]

I don't really see how? Unless you're just saying that sometimes you kill an enemy instead of avoiding it like normal, or vice versa

[tender marten]

if the psyk had no health bars it would be borderline useless

putting them into the live environment just creates a cluttered mess of mostly useless information

[winged bay]

Training dummies is all you need

[mighty belfry]

I really don't think healthbars in psykanium can be compared to ingame

[main trellis]

Allows you to focus more damaged enemies so you thin the mass better & avoid being swarmed

[north meteor]

lmao that checks out

[sullen ridge]

up for 40% of the game btw

[main trellis]

Its literally the same

[sullen ridge]

nasty nasty talent

[north meteor]

Yea that's fair. My gameplay is hardly affected when healthbars isn't working or something though

[main trellis]

Can’t fix dogshit players

[hazy vector]

????????????????????????

[sullen ridge]

so with the like 20% you spend walking around, you're looking at vultures dodge being up for a little over half of the time fighting

[hazy vector]

this take is so stupid i am speechless

[sullen ridge]

yea that is an insane take

[hasty agate]

Is it better to take Kalma V or Klay in the cartel special for desperado uptime?

[north saddle]

You can. You enthusiastically encourage them to play something else

[mighty belfry]

Papa, with all due respect, there is like no nuance to the take you're spitting here

[sullen ridge]

i dont use healthbars cause its too immersion breaking to my larp or w/e but i dont think its cheating

[main trellis]

Go to psykanium & hit a boi; hp bar will pop

[hazy vector]

[sullen ridge]

its just information that you're keeping track of in your head, but now you dont have to devote ur brainpower to counting shots in ragers

[tender marten]

its not hard

shoot and slash until theyre dead

[sullen ridge]

^

[tender marten]

psyk is just there for fussing with breakpoints

[mighty belfry]

Health bars are in psykanium to give you an idea of what your weapons and build are doing. Without that, you have absolutely no point of reference visually other than counting the amount of hits or smth ridiculous like that

[hazy vector]

also holy shit how peopel are so bad at havoc 20+

[sullen ridge]

simply utilize your decade of tide games developed instinct

[hazy vector]

I literally have not seen people this bad in heresy

[sullen ridge]

people get performance anxiety

[hazy vector]

EVERY match someone dies first 10 seconds to the first shooter enemy

[mighty belfry]

It's not the same as health bars being in game to actively benefit your target acquistion.

[rotund agate]

what about damnation?

[main trellis]

Works the same tho; just the mod enables it in-game outside psykanium - simple

[leaden fable]

Health bars are so distracting I hate when it updates and I forget to turn them off again

[tight musk]

Yeah, it's there for testing purposes.

That's the whole point of the meat grinder, so you can test shit before taking it into combat.

[sullen ridge]

is full auto cheating

[main trellis]

Also i don’t spit; i am not an uncultured swine
More like a piglet

[sullen ridge]

its technically frame perfect shooting but darktide has a ton of input buffer, i just dont like hurting my fingey

[leaden fable]

I'd call it an accessibility setting honestly

[sullen ridge]

:D

wahoo!

[mighty belfry]

[neon mango]

ive got an autoclicker on one of my mouse buttons because otherwise my hand explodes light spamming with the bully club

[sullen ridge]

but like

using the full auto dual stubs vs manual clicking feels literally completely differently

[leaden fable]

I'd use it but I need another free mouse button for it (my wrists are crunchy from decades of gaming)

[woeful trellis]

that's like saying we should have unlimited ammo, nades and stimms in real matches because the psykhanium gives them to you for easier testing

[leaden fable]

We're also untargetable and invincible in psykanium

[sullen ridge]

is there a mod to track how much % playing knife zealot has contributed to my eventual arthritis

[main trellis]

Welcome to the realization club my pointy hat wearing bearded mushroom weaving short boi gnome

[random shuttle]

mmm

didnt play psyker in so long

lets see

[north meteor]

And now I carry on my legacy from knife zealot into shiv HS

[mighty belfry]

Taxe scum

[tight musk]

I was wondering why my last match was a complete pain in the ass to play, and then I spectated a fellow scum using light attacks in crowbar's default mode to very, very slowly kill a crusher.

[main trellis]

I use it for the immersion (no joke; that was the second reason)

[mighty belfry]

Just simply kill the heretics they are failing to. It's that simple.

[leaden fable]

Healthbars would be nice if you could set them to only appear within a certain range, that way I'm not getting info on enemy locations in power supply interruption or vent purge

[tender marten]

more like blowbar

[main trellis]

and here we are…
Witnessing… a wild pepega in action

[fallen arrow]

Just the one crusher?

[leaden fable]

Granted I can just ping spam but it's unnecessary visual clutter

[mighty belfry]

I've been liking crowbar recently honestly

[main trellis]

Bruhbar

Dogbar

[north meteor]

why crowbar when shiv

[main trellis]

Cause i like the bonk

[broken moss]

idk why people like the crowbar. I use it on gun builds as a carapace tool with its secondary but that's it

[echo python]

I went through a Rolling Steel mission with a fellow desperado DAP scum, I managed to avoid almost all damage and never died while they died multiple times and said "ok gun build is bad" at the end

[novel oracle]

i love being told "the code is wrong, maybe try playing the game" on reddit then blocked

[tender marten]

that's exactly why lol

its an entirely solid 'secondary'

[broken moss]

dying on rolling steel while desperado is a problem

whole map is a fatal funnel

[fallen arrow]

I find myself acting very dumb when playing Gun Scum, like I just shoot into crowds and then get wacked on the side once or twice then die

[main trellis]

Ah pepegas

[north meteor]

why bonk when shank

[tender marten]

one of the mods still has me blocked on the subreddit lmao

[tight musk]

In that particular instance it was one crusher, some maulers and trash mobs.

[main trellis]

Cause i like to traumatize my enemies

Get it? Trauma dmg?

[tender marten]

i dont even remember their name at this point because i cant see it and i have no idea what i even said

[main trellis]

[fallen arrow]

If he was trying to wack everything, that makes some sense. If not, yeaaaaaah maybe should've quickly switched to the other side for a quick second or two

[tight musk]

No, specifically attacking the crusher with light attacks, not the enemies around it.

[fallen arrow]

Ooooof

Yeah thats a bad decision

[main trellis]

Very stupid

[tight musk]

I get that like, if you have hyper violence you can get some trash kills and then deliver all that extra damage into a crusher's skull, but that wasn't what was happening.

[north meteor]

even then you'd still heavy

[tight musk]

I do have a crowbar build with rampage and hyper violence that can do like 4k damage to a crusher with a heavy attack crit on rampage...in crowbar's regular mode. That's without any bonus from hyper violence.

If I pop rampage and get a crit on a heavy attack in special mode, it just deletes a crusher.

[hazy vector]

you are just jealous of my girth

[main trellis]

VERY

[random shuttle]

Psyker is

fun to play

who knew!

[final temple]

I literally ended up being temp banned on reddit for 3 days cause I called somebody out on the darktide sub and they apparently blocked me and reported me for harassment. I kid you not.

[main trellis]

Not many smart ppl speak on reddit & steam forums
Great laughting stock tho; very tasty

[vast yoke]

anyone else switching back to other classes after getting even penance and going "wtf why is the attack speed so glacial"

[dim moth]

why attack so slo

why me so slo

where's my fervor+nimble how tf am I supposed to move

[tight musk]

Ok, it's closer to 3.3 - 3.4k in regular mode, but that's still a lot of damage.

[tranquil berry]

it's perfectly normal for a skinny dude the size of an ogryn's third leg to hit harder than an ogryn....

[vast yoke]

why am I able to tank more than 1 millisecond of ranged oh wait it doesn't matter because they borked the iframes

[zealous ravine]

darktide so haunted it doesnt even follow the code? 😨

nurgle daemon

[radiant swift]

"maybe play the game " is crazy

[echo python]

You heard it here folks, fatshark has created the first computer program where code doesn't equate to what actually happens

[vast yoke]

heh cute... except my anecdotal bullshit evidence says.. ummm no ;) maybe use less tactical axes liberal

[dim moth]

ah yes the "code" doesn't equate to what actually happens

what tf does he think the game code does?

[vast yoke]

tbh even the game devs aren't sure

[muted pivot]

The power of drugs

[zealous ravine]

fatshark changes 1 thing and breaks 3 others lmao

[novel oracle]

especially when i was there for the implementation of this

[fallen arrow]

Most annoying smug response Ive seen in a bit

[novel oracle]

havoc_mutator_monster_specials_01 = {
        class = "scripts/managers/mutator/mutators/mutator_modify_pacing",
        init_modify_pacing = {
            specials_monster_spawn_config = {
                chance_to_spawn_monster = 0.05,
                max_monsters = 1,
                health_modifiers = {
                    chaos_beast_of_nurgle = 0.4,
                    chaos_plague_ogryn = 0.4,
                    chaos_spawn = 0.4,
                },
                max_monster_duration = {
                    550,
                    600,
                },
                breeds = {
                    "chaos_plague_ogryn",
                    "chaos_beast_of_nurgle",
                    "chaos_spawn",
                },
            },
        },
    },
    havoc_mutator_monster_specials_02 = {
        class = "scripts/managers/mutator/mutators/mutator_modify_pacing",
        init_modify_pacing = {
            specials_monster_spawn_config = {
                chance_to_spawn_monster = 0.1,
                max_monsters = 1,
                health_modifiers = {
                    chaos_beast_of_nurgle = 0.4,
                    chaos_plague_ogryn = 0.4,
                    chaos_spawn = 0.4,
                },
                max_monster_duration = {
                    450,
                    500,
                },
                breeds = {
                    "chaos_plague_ogryn",
                    "chaos_beast_of_nurgle",
                    "chaos_spawn",
                },
            },
        },
    },

like idk

[radiant swift]

guh

[zealous ravine]

this guy is spamming get him

[novel oracle]

max_monsters and max_monsters_duration is pretty self explanatory

[radiant swift]

never seen discord allow something like that to be pasted and just show up

[zealous ravine]

not big enough to b a file prolly

[exotic temple]

I was working on a build where you stack, gang tough, hcb, chem fortified w/ 4 stacks, rampage dr and targeted toxin. Is that a dumb idea?

[novel oracle]

when theres 2 blocks with a cap of 1 and a duration of 7.5-10 minutes on that cap clearly visible and labeled

maybe they do something

idk

its in the game code

[dim moth]

so the max possible theoretically is 5?

[zealous ravine]

i dont rember ever seeing more than 2 weakened bosses

[dim moth]

captain+twins+2 monstrosities

[lapis raft]

sounds like fairly normal rampage setup to me maybe minus the targeted toxin

[low harbor]

It’s possible to get 6 full bosses

[tight musk]

I switched to arbites for a couple missions and it was kinda horrible.

I couldn't really die, but man, everything was so slow. Slow sprint, slow stamina regain, just...eww.

[low harbor]

But not 6 weakened ones

[zealous ravine]

maybe we need a boss rush mission

less normal enemies lotta boss

[novel oracle]

yeah and thats where im just like no this isnt possible

[winged bay]

It's true that when the special pacing starts for the first time it ignores the caps

And maybe if it gets paused mid mission

[fallen coyote]

max ive seen is 5

[novel oracle]

which is why stuff like gloriana start is fucked

[zealous ravine]

gloriana start is awesome clip farming

[novel oracle]

but thats not whats being claimed

[winged bay]

Yes

[fallen coyote]

double normal boss spawn where one is the twins, and a double boss spawn where one is normal and another is weakened

[exotic temple]

Oh id just seen a lot of ramp chem dep builds skip the chem fortified node so i thought there might have been a reason.

[fallen coyote]

also good old "trust me bro" response lmao

[mighty belfry]

"You sir, are factually incorrect." 🤓 👆

[dim moth]

and smyker filtering >:)

[final temple]

with enough attack speed precision violence alone keeps you afloat

[low harbor]

Tbh dependency is not that impressive for rampage

The actual CD u cut is there but it’s not as good as taking adrenaline for better atk speed & damage

[final temple]

between that, the other emergency talents and rampage’s own DR, I suppose these builds don’t want ‘waste’ point on going overboard with TR

[hazy vector]

i love chemcrate after the patch

double chem dep stacks

plus all the drug effects

[broken moss]

idk man. I can't bring myself to use it because despite attempting several different build combinations with it, it just didn't feel good to me to use but I see em every so often and they don't have any problem putting out damage

[final temple]

it’s the same with the adrenaline TR node. neat to have but not strictly necessary for survival

[broken moss]

as in, they often up near the top of the charts if not #1

[charred bronze]

is there any reason to use combat knive over shivs, ever?

[hazy vector]

20% crit and damage reduction though

[lilac ermine]

Is chem crate have stim buff if stim is on cd

[broken moss]

thought it was 15

[lapis raft]

i def liked chem dep a lot with rampage

[broken moss]

I guess 20 if you take that extra stack node but nobody I see does

[hazy vector]

what

[final temple]

I tend to use chem dep with rampage and adrenaline with supply

[hazy vector]

did you have a stroke while typing

[lilac ermine]

Because crate charges instantly when getting stim back

[hazy vector]

WHAT

[final temple]

I see more people use the extra stack than the toughness regen/DR node.

[lapis raft]

and dr is multiplier for recovery anything so its not like if you have recovery dr is suddenly less useful

[hazy vector]

ok, and?

[light wagon]

heyyy

[broken moss]

most I see just use the crit and that's it

[lilac ermine]

But if you use the stim then crate after will it have stim buff too

Or have to crate first?

[light wagon]

is there a dump stat in the new dual knifes? I can't make a choice

[hazy vector]

it seems to have it

[lapis raft]

yes if you walk out and back in into the circle

but not if you dont

its a bug in one way or another

[final temple]

it should not but as others said there is a bug to get it

[random shuttle]

gosh I like Darktide

it's like a good game

you might wanna try it

[lapis raft]

well the game description says it should always get it thats why i said its a bug in one way or another :d

[lilac ermine]

So my team wont get amy buffs if I dont back in?

[broken moss]

not sure 5% crit while also forcing you to down size your stim even more to keep up the stacks because of the time loss is worth the point

[lapis raft]

i think the have to walk out and back in themselves too

[zealous ravine]

not worth it imo way better to play garfield kart

[lilac ermine]

Oh nice

[lapis raft]

or if hey werent in the cricle in first place might work right away for them after walking into it after

[final temple]

even with the stacks node you have 120 seconds between uses. an application refreshes AND adds stack.

[broken moss]

huh?

[lapis raft]

yea after you get to max you have plenty of time to refresh to 4 when needed

before getting to max its painful tho

[broken moss]

I thought the one that gives you an extra stack reduces the time to 60 seconds

[final temple]

yeah. and you can go down a stack before stacking back up

[lapis raft]

you can drop all the way to 1 sec remaining on 3 stack when you are at max its fine

[broken moss]

situational

[lapis raft]

e.g in between encounters

[broken moss]

I'd rather have more time than 5% crit

[final temple]

you don’t need to do it every 60secs

[broken moss]

but again I don't run it that's just what I see often from those that do in game

[broken moss]

to maintain stacks you do, no?

I know they fall off one at a time but still

and it's 5% crit..

[final temple]

if you are in combat, you wanna use the stimms I suppose? and if not you have two full minutes before you would not be back to a full stack when you apply your next stimm

[lapis raft]

its 5% crit and 5% tdr for 1 point thats pretty good

and 10% cdr

[random shuttle]

Wait

A perfect name for Scum for a player who dreamt of Skitarii

Adeptus Methanicus

[broken moss]

🤔

[lapis raft]

like its pretty giga 1 pointer even though getting to max makes it a bit mroe annoying

[hasty agate]

What is the base crit on the daps?

[wispy belfry]

5%

[final temple]

I mean, you don’t need to sweat it more than 3 stacks. you get each node’s full benefit and the stack node adds value

[broken moss]

idk. still seems like adrenaline better

you actually feel that. and it feels good

[calm aurora]

mobility, everything else will impact your dmg

[low harbor]

not worth 4 point spec

[lapis raft]

you definitely feel chem dep very much as well

[broken moss]

I never did when I tried it

[low harbor]

scoreboard proves so insignificantly little abt how good a build is it kinda hurts lol

[final temple]

I notice chem dep more than adrenaline. but that’s likely a matter of build

[broken moss]

like yea I may be hitting harder but I'm swinging so slow all the time

[calm aurora]

BUT 2M IS GOOD RIGHT

[broken moss]

proves how much damage you're doing. all I really care about

there's the matter of "feel" but that's subjective

[calm aurora]

the only useful values are damage taken and downed, disabled, revived

[zealous ravine]

scoreboard proves that i check my dmg way too often so i removed it to stop my scoreboard brainworms

[young herald]

now that I've tested it again, I remember why I don't run smiter wtih the chaxe. It doesn't proc at all on rip kills, meaning anything killed with the chaxe special or the mk4 lights/mk12 heavies

[final temple]

vermintidr flashbacks

[low harbor]

anyone frequently farming for >1M is basically trolling pacing-wise

[zealous ravine]

i noticed i was caring too much about the numbers i was doing so i had to remove it lmao

[calm aurora]

I know

[final temple]

that sounds like a bug.

[broken moss]

I do agree with keeping track of going down, but idgaf about damage taken. means nothing

[tranquil berry]

reflection of skill, that's all

[young herald]

it is a bug, but it's a bug that's been around for ages. Chain weapon rip damage doesn't count as melee

[tranquil berry]

meaningless

[broken moss]

not even

[young herald]

it's either that or it bypasses on-kill effects, one of the two i forget which

[lapis raft]

i care about my build performance (especially when testing new stuff) i dont rly care about comparing it with others so i stopped using scoreboard i just track my own stuff

[broken moss]

if I take 5k damage and never go down I'm as effectively effective as the guy that took zero damage. means nothing

[calm aurora]

that is why you don't look at only dmg taken

[zealous ravine]

well if you take a lot of dmg and living you might b helping ur teammates

[broken moss]

this

[calm aurora]

also, unless your a zealot, you should not take that much dmg

[tranquil berry]

people often mistake the damage race for good/bad builds/classes. it's how you end up with bad players overconfident in higher diffs

[broken moss]

if I'm taking it upon myself to face ram dangerous shit, I may take some hits. damage taken without context is asinine

[calm aurora]

''true survivors''

[zealous ravine]

yea dmg doesnt really show how much you control the horde

[leaden fable]

Even as a zealot how are you taking 5k damage they have like 200-250 hp

[tranquil berry]

a zealot can't match a psyker for damage, zealot must be bad. then they get pushed by 15 ragers, folded like a taco, and have a revelation.

[exotic temple]

I gotcha, it’s kinda meme build but I figure I’ll play with it a bit to see how it does. I just wanted to make sure there was no jank aside from dr being calculated multiplicatively.

[low harbor]

if u use smth like powerDI I'm pretty sure it tracks the dmg u take while ur downed

[calm aurora]

as a marty zealot you should take dmg 😄

[leaden fable]

Ahh okay that makes sense

[zealous ravine]

my face is my shield!!

[calm aurora]

truth

[leaden fable]

Sure but that's 20x a zealot's full hp bar

[tranquil berry]

face like that better be good at something

[calm aurora]

5k is a bit much

[broken moss]

it was an intentionally facetious example

how irrelevant such a stat is

[calm aurora]

1k is reasonable if you use until death as a tool of aggression

[leaden fable]

I've taken 1-1.5k on a really rough match with martyr zealot but it's usually more like 300-600 assuming I'm staying low all game

[tranquil berry]

that sentence had too many syllables. Apologize!

[low harbor]

it is sorta "jank" in that the dependency CD rate only comes up for the downtime for rampage and u need to put quite a lot of points into right side when u could spec left/middle and run a pure melee build that does more overall

[dense hollow]

i only use chem dependancy on finesse melees

[low harbor]

for one, there's not that much point in building chemtox with melee builds

[dense hollow]

everything else gets adrenaline treatment

[final temple]

you literally need 3 points to get down there. Potent Tox, Extra Pouches, Sample Collector. All value nodes.

[low harbor]

u just kill everything before chemtox does anything notable

[broken moss]

I mostly use scoreboard to see if my custom builds can meet/beat the YouTube copycat builds for damage as an indicator of effectiveness in that task. but sometimes the way the game plays out just requires me to deal with things differently

[calm aurora]

unless you wanna play melee toxins... then you should invest right

[low harbor]

they're good but they're not as good as left/middle spec for melee

[obsidian cipher]

Holy takes in this discord LMFAO
I couldnt resist quoting this

[broken moss]

like I may show zero boss damage because I held off piles of hordes to my zealot/vet could do their thing to the boss

[low harbor]

dats more of a stim crate build usually tbh

[tranquil berry]

I've played aurics with melee builds where my chemtox damage ended up more than my some of my teammates' total

and that's just needling bulwarks and bosses and the occasional special

[lapis raft]

biggest value in the toxin node is the node after and refreshing the needle stacks

and you have +1 blitz and stim on kill there as well

[broken moss]

+1 blitz too good

[lapis raft]

so its not like points on right side are bad in any way

[calm aurora]

useless for blackouts

[broken moss]

I don't use that shit

[low harbor]

yea and I've also played I-II-V-E-G with melee build and somehow 40% of my total dmg is from ranged, that doesn't quite prove anything

[broken moss]

I have it on one build cuz I was trying to find a niche I could enjoy them for and I just can't bring myself to play it

[lapis raft]

well if you are blackout then theres other must have node for them instead :d

[tranquil berry]

proves you're shooting to much. get in there champ!

[broken moss]

I mostly run chems. bazooka for fun

[low harbor]

I was literally meleeing the entire game lol

[tranquil berry]

what if we shoved the chem grenade in the bazooka....

[leaden fable]

He can't help it he's a vet main

[calm aurora]

I cannot justify taking blackout without the tox node, it's too damn good

[tranquil berry]

can we use the bazooka as a t-shirt cannon to shoot chem nades?

[broken moss]

I mean you can

technically

that node that applies tox to blitz explosions

pocket toxin?

[calm aurora]

yes

[lapis raft]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[tranquil berry]

dirty bomb launcher

[radiant swift]

tox blinder

[tranquil berry]

we can sadam some heretics!

[radiant swift]

tox blinders solve everything

[low harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[calm aurora]

last run I did, it did 1/4 of my total damage

[broken moss]

yea so that kinda exists but if bazooka could leave a chem nade AOE afterwards my god that would be busted

[calm aurora]

like wtf?

[broken moss]

what did?

[broken bear]

Be me see crusher pack

Also be me have tox blackouts

Also also be me see dead crusher pack

[broken moss]

pocket toxin?

[broken bear]

It’s like throwing fireballs at them 😭

[calm aurora]

blackout tox + lethal prox

[tranquil berry]

load up a Denny's grand slam in that thing, it'll leave aoe damage everywhere

[hasty agate]

I really dig the idea of spreading toxin like a plague doctor but I hate light spam and I hate the bonesaw.

[broken moss]

Jesus

I need to give it another shot

[broken bear]

Rocket + Pocket tox????

[exotic temple]

I mean pocket toxin boom bringer…. If it ain’t dead itd wish it was

[low harbor]

did u see that clip I posted

[calm aurora]

nope blackouts, but bazooka + tox can kill h40 crushers with rotten armor iirc

[calm aurora]

Nope

[broken bear]

The arrogant crusher as they prepare an overhead only to be hit by a fucking rpg coated in acid

[broken bear]

Blackouts are so fun I swear

[calm aurora]

It was atonement auric, I did like 630k : 400k on the taxe (rampadrenaline) / 173k on toxins / the rest on bost pistol

[calm aurora]

ahh yeeah, but why the crate? did I miss something?

[low harbor]

u get the crate back in <7s

[broken moss]

that's nuts

[low harbor]

to spam the buff again

[rotund agate]

btw, does "melee kill" on Point Blank blessing mean killing something with the garbage melee attack on something like the bistol or revolver? if so, then why does needler have Point Blank despite not having a melee attack...?

[calm aurora]

WHAT

[low harbor]

look at my ability CD in the clip

[calm aurora]

OMFG I missed that

[broken moss]

I mean the biggest gripe I have with them nades is just the lack of having em when I need em so I tend to bogart them

[radiant swift]

can you have multiple up?

[low harbor]

all melee kills

[tender marten]

there was a brief period i think just before or right after the talent trees got added where it actually was the case that point blank could only trigger off of melee attacks from the gun itself ......... really fucked my revolver up for a while

[broken moss]

the issue I see with that though is that it's not a persistent effect. so can only really be used to apply to trash mobs, no?

[calm aurora]

and that much did not come from the tox on crits, clearly

[broken moss]

wait, what you mean tox crits

[rotund agate]

ok... I didn't know it was all melee kills until now... (blessings usually work only if the weapon is active, right?)

[broken moss]

oh the applies tox on crit node

[low harbor]

yes
at one point this blessing was bugged to only activate from ranged weapon's melee kills

[broken moss]

idk that shit puts in work for me

[tender marten]

what an awful time it was

[low harbor]

but now it works correctly and point blank is basically the best crit blessing in the game for every weapon that has access to it

[broken moss]

usually about 20-25% of my damage

[radiant swift]

remember when crucian worked cross weapon

[low harbor]

I've grinded out so much in updating guide

[radiant swift]

good old crucian knife

[low harbor]

maybe release this year

[calm aurora]

I have used it on shivs with chem deps, it was not that much

[low harbor]

did all these in 2 days

[dim moth]

god I wish the fanfire revolver was good

why can this shit fail to one shot a poxwalker 💀

[calm aurora]

I prime a mixed horde with it as soon as I see one

[broken moss]

I'll give it another go when I get home

[calm aurora]

I use 2

[broken moss]

I know they Regen but that still seems so wasteful

[calm aurora]

and by the time I finish, I have at least one back

[broken moss]

isn't like 1 min each?

[rose flax]

Why does Hivescum have a +10% melee damage aura, when veteran has a +7.5% any damage aura?

[calm aurora]

it's 20 melee kills

[broken moss]

oh yea it's on kills

[calm aurora]

with BM well, it's fast

[broken moss]

yea I mean with tox they should pay for themselves damn near lol

[calm aurora]

the only problem is pacing, if your teamates aggro too fast the next horde you can overextend

[broken moss]

and it's ANY kills right? not this stupid melee only stuff scum is known for

[broken moss]

yea well that is what it is in general

ok so close range. which iirc by game definition is 30 m

[grand jewel]

what kind of question is that lol

the melee damage aura is a copy from ogryn, why aren't you questioning that one?

[rose flax]

melee damage is just melee, base damage you already do

[broken moss]

I mean there's really only 2 primary damage types in the game. melee and ranged lol

[rose flax]

No

[low harbor]

also this is currently bugged (?) where instakills can't contribute towards blackout recovery

[spiral horizon]

there's only a couple genuinely good auras in the game, question that

[broken moss]

yes

[rose flax]

There's dot for example

[winged bay]

There's explosion, dots

[broken moss]

that's not primary

[rose flax]

Dude it's any damage

[broken moss]

even on scum, which is the most dot effective class in the game, it's not a primary damage type

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/agathasbike-homelander-gif-3664486938523379369

are you okay

[tender marten]

and all of them are zealot's stam reduction

(i have already plugged my fingers into my ears)

[broken moss]

obviously boosting "all" damage is ideal but I'd take melee/ranged over a strict dot boost

[tranquil berry]

Well, this is written, not audio, so plug'em in your eyes. It works!

[rose flax]

I don't think you understand, it wouldn't be worse lol, it would do the same for all damage

[low harbor]

yea I asked kuli abt it and he said not sure if it's intended

[broken moss]

what would?

[spiral horizon]

chad

[broken moss]

the all damage boost?

[calm aurora]

the dot from the needler counts but not from the blackouts? sus

[rose flax]

It's like strength/power, but not really, it affects everything in how much damage it does, but it doesn't affect stagger, cleave, etc

[broken moss]

thought power did affect stagger

[calm aurora]

it does

[rose flax]

Wait, it works with needle dots?

[calm aurora]

Restores 1 grenade after killing a total of 20 enemies who are within 12.5m to Hive Scum with melee and ranged attacks, explosions, and Needle Pistol dart DoT; kills caused by the DoT from Needle Pistol Mk II toxin explosion, by the other DoTs (bleed, burn, electrocution), and by instakills from Hyper-Critical do not count

[low harbor]

well
if blackout's tox could gain blackouts back u'd literally have a semi-perpetual machine

[rose flax]

Huh, why didn't they make tox in general count at that point

[calm aurora]

well people can perma dodge shooters now

[broken moss]

I definitely feel it with scum that you are really supposed to run one or the other where other classes get to be decent at both melee and ranged damage generally. it's much harder to hybrid scum

[rose flax]

Except from the grenades themselves

[calm aurora]

SO YEAH I WANT INFINITOX

[dim moth]

I'm like 90% certain these exceptions are bugs that will eventually be ironed out

Probably

Maybe

[broken moss]

does it not work that way?

[dim moth]

[trim wind]

the needle pistol tox was a change, the rest would be some psycho infinite nade shit

[calm aurora]

so yeah, don't run bleed on your shivs if you wanna do that

[broken moss]

the tooltip only says close kills

[dim moth]

my hyper critical :(

[low harbor]

no, blackouts cannot be recovered by tox kills (except if the tox came exclusively from needle pistol) or instakills

[calm aurora]

kills caused by the DoT from Needle Pistol Mk II toxin explosion, by the other DoTs (bleed, burn, electrocution), and by instakills from Hyper-Critical do not count

wait, the explosion is mk6 not 2 right?

[tranquil berry]

Fatshark tooltips are sorta like puzzles, they're there to get you curious about what stuff actually does, so you go investing

[rose flax]

I said it isn't strength/power but is similar, instead it also stacks additively with other damage buffs, unlike power/strength which stacks multiplicatively

[broken moss]

unfortunately real

[rose flax]

So it would stack high with adrenaline frenzy for example, which it already does, but it would on top of that also affect your toxin dots for example if it was any damage

[broken moss]

I thought nothing affects tox

[rose flax]

Which would also stack with +10% toxin strength

[broken moss]

everything I see about it is that it's just flat damage

[rose flax]

It's literally just bleed/ burn/soulblaze
But obviously neither work the same, but all have stacks that cause "dot" damage every x seconds per stack

[broken moss]

🤔

honestly thought all dots were flat damage. which is why psykers dump damage on purg staves

[calm aurora]

btw

[rose flax]

Nope

[broken moss]

so what increases soul blaze tick damage?

[grand jewel]

when do they do that lol

[winged bay]

Anything that affects all damage

[calm aurora]

general power from some blessings

[winged bay]

Instead of specifically melee or ranged

[trim wind]

dmg on weapons like purg or flamer don't affect dot dmg

it's the burn stat in those cases

[rose flax]

Any damage, power/strength increase, but not a melee only damage increase

[rose flax]

Can you link this?

[calm aurora]

not any power / strenght increase

[broken moss]

so to confirm though, raw power increase still does NOT affect tox, right?

[calm aurora]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3586590987

[rose flax]

?
Yes

[dim moth]

0.1 into void shields clearly needs rending

[rose flax]

It affects dot damage too

[calm aurora]

nope

not all power blessings

[winged bay]

Raw power affects toxin unless it's melee/ranged specific

[broken moss]

they made that shit way too complicated

[rose flax]

Your reading kulis guides, it says it most of the power related stuff

[winged bay]

Some blessings are melee only

[broken moss]

I heard that technically +% damage to carapace or whatever actually does increase it's damage ticks but only while holding the gun. I haven't tested yet though

[rose flax]

Yes, only while holding that weapon with the perk

But

If you hold another weapon with the same perk it would still work the same

[broken moss]

interesting

that's actually crucial

or can be

idk what it actually equates to and if it would be worth synergizing that way but maybe

[rose flax]

In your face for example increases toxin from needles but only while in close range obviously and while holding a ranged weapon

[calm aurora]

blaze away / pinning fire affects dots, headtaker/all or nothing only melee dmg

[broken moss]

cuz specifically ranged. but with tox it's weird cuz then you apply stacks with your melee weapon too

[broken moss]

see I always thought that only controlled the direct damage

[rose flax]

Oh, you meant specifically by weapon slot
You made it sound like power/strength in general didn't affect dots lol

Obviously

[calm aurora]

oh my bad

[dim moth]

wait slaughterer doesn't?

hang on but I did testing when I ended up bringing up this exact thing to someone else

and slaughterer on my chainaxe was increasing chem tox damage

[calm aurora]

SORRY IT DOES

[rose flax]

It's interesting though that lethal proximity affects book bringer though lol

It's always active

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-fight-no-nope-gif-5341331

[rose flax]

Not specifically when shot

[rose flax]

No worries, just got confused

[calm aurora]

So does superiority/executor/energy leakage/unstable power

also, opportunist applies rending to dots

[rose flax]

All or nothing description in game is so stupid lol

It's 8% per stack up to 5 per missing 20% stamina

It sounds like in game you get up to 8% strength from 100 to 0

The actual effect is much more interesting and stronger

[lilac ermine]

Zealot has one of best auras corruption aura

[rose flax]

Isn't it only from the current wound though?

[livid raven]

uhhh

[dim moth]

that aura sucks balls if you're not on specific havoc modifiers

[livid raven]

the corruption aura is dog

[broken moss]

but why use that when you can use..... damage aura

[dim moth]

if it ain't blight spreads and you're running that shit

[rotund agate]

or pox gas

[dim moth]

you're just an idiot

[lilac ermine]

Most ppl only have 2 wounds so its half health

[dim moth]

here's a hypothetical

don't stand in the gas

[broken moss]

honestly may be viable in one of those god forsaken tox gas missions

[livid raven]

those have a lot of healing stimms

[rotund agate]

or maybe just have a support HS

[rose flax]

No, it's not going to help you live more, it'll only remove corruption

[dim moth]

it doesn't give you the health back you still are missing the health

[hardy maple]

whats our opinion on quickplaying into the twins fight map

[broken moss]

you have more faith than I do

[calm aurora]

as a hvs....

[livid raven]

yeah but we are talking about zealot's aura