hivescum-class

[random shuttle]

Today's a happy day

I am going to my LHGS to pick up my big box of Warhammer Quest

[young herald]

have fun

[vast yoke]

hm

executor raises overall power not melee power

wondering if its worth it to slot that into my shivs over riposte to magnify dot damage

probably not

[young herald]

very unlikely

could be worth exploring though

[hazy vector]

Nope, i have plenty of discord servers and not a single one discussed it, even rpg ones

[manic wolf]

I wonder if that can do something funny with Zook

[vast yoke]

i mean i have a similar thing with chaxe

[random shuttle]

Got it only for the amazing new nurgle models

[vast yoke]

slaughterer is general power up to 40%

[random shuttle]

like

damn

those nurgle models are next level

[vast yoke]

executor is a bit easier to proc tho if im only bossing

hm

[hazy vector]

anyone else lagging?

in the game

i only heard about it from my pupil, that's it

[young herald]

chaxe my beloved

there's a reason i run slaughterer + headtaker on it

[vast yoke]

yeah unfortunately headtaker is melee power

so doesnt up the DOT

[young herald]

yeah, that just boosts the rip and tear capacity

[rigid dock]

yes getting these spikes of lag off and on

[supple kraken]

vro my yt fyp is fried

I got ts recommended

https://youtu.be/63g1t8qp3gk?is=o5Fa2-05MMe5wNUX

[vast yoke]

yeah prob still bis

was thinking of thrust but eh

usually thrust is paired with headtaker anyway and i cannot afford taking off slaughterer

still considering executor but probably wont

[young herald]

thrust is alright on the mk12 chaxe, but I wouldn't take it on scum regardless

[vast yoke]

yeah idgaf about crusher one shots, frankly they fall to the mk12 fast enough on scum thru just a few PAs and regular H1s

[echo python]

I could see Thrust for the purpose of getting a headstart on the Hyper-Violence stacking

[young herald]

i just run the mk4 and light attack armored units to death tbh

[toxic dagger]

Which mark?

[young herald]

4

[toxic dagger]

Oh nevermind

I should try chaxe scum. Sounds fun

[young herald]

it's very fun

[toxic dagger]

Which rampage nodes do you take with it?

[young herald]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a086ba12-2d12-456f-82c0-231dee223a07/ride-the-meat-bicycle this is the whole build I run

i've been debating swapping out one of the toughness curios for another stamina one, but haven't actually tried it yet

[vast yoke]

cute

[toxic dagger]

Thanks

[supple kraken]

zealots are not beating allegations

[dim wigeon]

Might try this one myself I have only been running crowbar mainly for melee and while it's fun it's been a while since I tried something else

[rotund agate]

I myself would prefer Adrenaline Smiter and Battering Strikes over the chem stuff, but overall this build is very similar to mine.

[novel oracle]

I might try chaxe again on scum but yeah im dropping the chem stuff like most of my builds do lol

[reef skiff]

i've been using the combat knife and bolt pistol

[rotund agate]

the only chem talent I use is pocket tox, and that's just because I like blinders...

[novel oracle]

I use that branching on crit weapons only

And even then I stop before the stim part

In that build there i might take some cleave and dodge talents

[novel oracle]

How often do you even do rev attacks
Or are the lights just that fast in rampage

[dim wigeon]

Honestly even with high viscosity in high cooldown if you play your cards right you won't really need your Stimms much

[novel oracle]

I just take cdr stims for between each ability cuz all the juice in the class esp for melee is there

[dim wigeon]

Yeah true CDR on demand is f****** funny

[novel oracle]

With no extra effects i have it up between each use basically every time

[final temple]

Consider adding Adrenaline smiter for frenzy uptime instead of the toughness regen

[young herald]

that build includes the toughness regen on adrenaline though?

[final temple]

that is how it looks for me. take 6 o clock node, put in 3 o clock node.

[young herald]

3 o clock is weakspot hit

not toughness regen

err wait no that's kill

[final temple]

And I said smiter instead of unbound. uptime instead of toughness.

[young herald]

oh that's what you meant, yeah that's an option

i just prefer stack on hit, more than anything else

[final temple]

do you kill unarmored in 5 hits or more with the axe?

[hazy vector]

Aaaand failing ANOTHER maelstrom surviving streak because of idiotic team

holy shit i am malding

[tired prairie]

You are, after all, a SaltyDwarf /j

[echo python]

The wise scum malds not when in maelstrom quickplay 🙏

[young herald]

not at all, on-kill is faster stacks, unquestionably, but it means they drain while dealing with monsters and other similar scenarios, and adrenaline can't activate unless you turn around and kill something else in the middle of all that

[final temple]

then alternatively consider 7 o clock for 3 o clock as you should end up with more uptime either way

[young herald]

if i was gonna drop either of the subnodes, it'd be the toughness gen

[final temple]

and yeah. I get the issue with fighting bosses. but how often are you ONLY fighting them?

[young herald]

it's just a question of whether or not I want the weakspot or kill stack gen over on hit, and in my admittedly limited testing I prefer the on-hit over the other two. It's worth revisiting though, since it's been a while

oh hey hotfix

[hazy vector]

i was zealot this time

[young herald]

bursters are fixed bby

[hazy vector]

after HS came i realised that i always did something similar to HS on other classes

And now i better understand their actual identity

[young herald]

does anyone know offhand what this is referring to? I assume it's a scum talent that was bugged, but I'm drawing a blank on known issues it could cover

[hazy vector]

Zealot has damage reduction after dodge

[young herald]

oh is that what it's about?

that makes sense

[rotund agate]

it could maybe (but this is very unlikely) be related to nimble reducing dodge window for ranged attacks among other talents...?

[young herald]

nah

that's working as intended, just people not understanding how it works

[tight musk]

"Fixed an issue where Stim Supply will lock you in the animation where you can’t swap to melee or range."

We are so back.

[noble latch]

i was about to ask, did they make the melee dodge linger time apply to ranged now?

[rotund agate]

the "time considered dodging is increased by 50%" part is the most misleading...

[young herald]

yeah

[novel perch]

Does this fix his dodge window perk?

[noble latch]

nothing was bugged about it

but they might have buffed it to be op if it does apply to ranged now

[reef ledge]

Hey, is Nimble fixed?

[young herald]

the way nimble works is that it increases the "dodge distance" (meaning your dodge goes farther, and therefore faster, which means there's less time spent in the dodge state), and it increases the "dodge linger time" (meaning there's a longer window after dodging in which melee attacks won't track you)

[noble latch]

nothing was bugged with it

[young herald]

so there's never been a bug to it

[noble latch]

yeah

but people dont understand that

[reef ledge]

What?

[calm aurora]

Fixed an issue with dodge stats from the talent trees not impacting incoming ranged damage.

[noble latch]

nimble worked just fine

wasnt bugged

ive been using it this whole time, its a great talent

[young herald]

I would be shocked if this is the case. It's not impossible, but that's a deep systems change that would have ripple effects across the entire game. I don't think they'd do it in a hotfix with a nothingburger line in the patch notes

[noble latch]

we hope

[reef ledge]

... Well, looks like ogryn mind impaced everyone...

[wet heath]

Wasn't it reducing i-frames by 50% instead of increasing?

[noble latch]

no

[young herald]

kinda sorta not really

[noble latch]

it made you dodge faster

so you started getting shot faster

cause the dodge ended sooner

[winged bay]

dodge_linger now affects ranged attacks too, that's not scum specific

[young herald]

dodge_linger applying to ranged attacks would be fucking wild

and change the game significantly

[noble latch]

theres no way

thats crazy

[tired prairie]

Psykers and HS surely won’t be complaining

[winged bay]

it doesn't check for melee now

[calm aurora]

lmao

[noble latch]

time for ogryn to have a 3 second linger time

[young herald]

hoyl shit they did it

I did not see that coming

that's yuge

[winged bay]

no nimble changes

[drowsy relic]

Maybe there will be another hotfix this year

[young herald]

ogryn: "What's dodge linger? Can I eat it?"

[calm aurora]

[Script Error]: scripts/foundation/managers/package/package_manager.lua:108: Package reference 'packages/ui/hud/interaction_hud/interaction_hud' does not exist in resource manager.

something broke

[tight musk]

No.

[young herald]

(the joke is that ogryn has 0 linger on the dodge)

[lusty egret]

is this good or bad?

[rough peak]

Yesn't

[young herald]

if that's actually what's going on, it's a huge change

basically doubles the amount of time you're immune to range damage after dodging on every class

[winged bay]

it gives your dodge 0.2s-0.3s or so extra ranged immunity

[drowsy relic]

The game is now easier

Will people notice?

Fuck no lol

[young herald]

basically

[drowsy relic]

This is like the rez immunity thing they added

Did anyone actually notice its inclusion

[calm aurora]

bring back og scab stalker

[winter galleon]

Does this mean nimble doesnt reduce range dodge time now?

[winged bay]

no

[fallen coyote]

Time to reviewbomb again i guess

[winged bay]

but that's not an issue, just dodge again

[drowsy relic]

This makes it easier reverse review bomb

[winged bay]

on an infinite dodge class

[young herald]

it means nimble is unchanged, but now the linger time that nimble extends applies to ranged attacks

[vast yoke]

so you technically do gain ranged iframes with nimble now

just all from the linger window

?

[young herald]

i'm not sure how the gain from the linger compares to the loss from the faster dodge

[vast yoke]

i see

[main trellis]

Question; can boom bringer crit?

[young herald]

but yes, compared to before this hotfix with nimble, you'll gain a fraction of a second of immunity to ranged damage

I believe no

the explosion can't, I'm pretty sure. Not 100% sure on the rocket projectile itself though

[vast yoke]

hm

i'll try nimble out on builds i dropped it on then

[unique dagger]

Ladies and gentlemen, it is with great pleasure that I announce you:
NIMBLE FIXED.
If you are not picking it on your talent tree rn IDK what you doing

[noble latch]

nimble sounds op now

making it apply to ranged is crazy

[unique dagger]

this was how it was supposed to be, this should've been one of the main ways for scum to survive

now that it properly works shooters should feel much less unfair

[calm aurora]

my builds are in shambles now

[winter galleon]

I guess i move the slide talent to it, requesting bonus talent point to have both without giving up anything else, who do i bribe at fs?

[winged bay]

They didn't just change nimble, technically you may still get more ranged dodge iframes without it

not sure how it maths out

but nimble is good anyway

[obsidian cipher]

Does anyone know if they touched hitbox issues? You can clearly see it was changed/bugged when fighting chaos spawns (he staggers you while standing still)

[winter galleon]

You would it should still interact same but probably unnecessary to have even longer

[drowsy relic]

They said they fixed the explosion issue

[winter galleon]

Have to wait and see if people test or if it at least feels fixed they just said explosions but we know that was caused by hitbox issues

[obsidian cipher]

I will test it once I login, HOPEFULLY they fixed it

[rapid mango]

they also mightve just said explosions because thats what most people think it is

[winter galleon]

Thats what was saying

[rapid mango]

takes more skilled players to know something else is off

[radiant swift]

I hear tell that all dodge lingers now apply to ranged

[rapid mango]

yup

[noble latch]

apparently

[winter galleon]

We know they were caused by hitbox issue and they said they fixed it so its possible they fixed hitboxes

And ya that is their bandaid fix for nimble, just buff all dodges across board

[noble latch]

so now every class but ogryn has some ranged immunity after dodge

[winter galleon]

Besides ogg ogg

Third class citizens

[near mauve]

your ranged immunity as ogryn is turning them off

[winter galleon]

Now i can enjoy the pleasure of nimble dodging off a ledge that before wouldnt have

[hazy vector]

desperado so overtuned

[young herald]

just a bit

tiny little bit

[tight musk]

Maybe one day people will stop shooting bursters right as I'm about to shove them.

Today is not that day, however.

[young herald]

no, never

[hazy vector]

i think desperado should have cooldown of 60 seconds

and pickpocket should have cooldown of anything between 20 and 60 seconds

then it would be way more balanced

i actually thought pickpocket had a cooldown...

weird that it does not

[young herald]

pickpocket should absolutely have a cooldown

not sure what's appropriate, my gut says 20 or 30s, but would need to test it to say for sure

desperado just needs the ranged immunity removed

[winged bay]

then it's trash

[young herald]

IMO, replace it with massively increased sprint dodge angle

[vast yoke]

i 100% agree with all of agayeks takes

desperado wouldnt be trash with ranged immunity being gutted 😭

[winged bay]

well with the pickpocket change it will still do something but it needs another buff if it doesnt have the immunity

[young herald]

it really doesn't

[vast yoke]

^

[alpine junco]

dont touch my infinite ammo ):<

[vast yoke]

you suppress so much with almost every desperado build you're effectively not even getting shot at anyway

[limber cradle]

Good morning scum chat, another desperado pickpocket debate today?

[noble latch]

im a little suprised it was even added to the game

infinite ammo strongest DoT yet

yeah thats fair

[young herald]

desperado is infinite ammo, removal of stamina costs, and highlighted enemies that sustains itself for ages

[hazy vector]

OR WHAT

[vast yoke]

i think pickpocket doesnt rlly need a cooldown, the biggest stinker for it imo is that its any range on the Closed Range class

[young herald]

plus rending and stacking ranged damage on kill with 1 extra talent point

[winter galleon]

People asking for nerfs as always while psyker, vet, arbi continue to exist

[alpine junco]

i will get sad ):

[vast yoke]

maybe make it count close ranged kills only, makes no sense to "pickpocket" a sniper 120 meters away

[hazy vector]

GOOD

[near mauve]

again habibis they aint nerfing jack and shit
half of the playerbase thinks this class is too weak and too much effort to play

[young herald]

oh for sure

[vast yoke]

true

[young herald]

they should though

[noble latch]

i mean they just buffed every classes dodge

cept ogryn

now ogryn needs his 3 second dodge linger time

[near mauve]

ogryn can just turn off shooters with tanut or run them over with bullrush

[winter galleon]

Its not weak like they think but it is 10x the effort for same results in higher level play

[near mauve]

or slide dodge with gun out if you're funny

[young herald]

replace the ranged immunity with huge sprint dodge angle and add a cooldown to pickpocket, then give scum a little bit (not a lot, but a little bit) more power in blue nodes that are active outside of ability windows and keystones, and scum's in a great spot

[limber cradle]

I do not give a fuck about hive scum infinite ammo while psyker is allowed to exist as it does, my unironic stance rn.

[young herald]

i mean, psyker needs to get nerfed into the ground

and has for ages

[limber cradle]

Aye.

[young herald]

even before the tree rework it was stupid overpowered

[winged bay]

though haven't tried doing this in a while

[young herald]

and the rework just made it insane

[winter galleon]

Yes so the prio should be nerfing scum obviously

[limber cradle]

Another buff to SG you say?

Don't mind if we do

[spice cloud]

Just nerf ranged scum

Automatic weapons on that shit are just fckn broken af.

[hazy vector]

make autopistols single action

[hasty agate]

I think you guys just hate it when someone shoots all the things you had your hands in the air to stab.

[spice cloud]

Exactly

Braindead playstyle

Might aswell leave the lobby

[winter galleon]

Its a dlc class that the vast majority of playerbase feels is weak even if it isnt if played right

[young herald]

nah, desperado just does too much damage to also be immune to damage

[spice cloud]

Besides if the teammates leave watch that guy go down within a minute

Cause they cant stay in melee for 5 secs without dying

[winter galleon]

Doesnt it have the lowest damage output in game actually and just made up for by raw uptime since can ignore a lot? Pretty sure people tested that

[hasty agate]

I sure as shit can lol

[spice cloud]

I see that hit a nerve lol

[random shuttle]

I bingus

therefore I am

[limber cradle]

Whats the steam guide with all the enemies damage types layout again?

Need to do some pistol testing later

[fallen coyote]

If theyre bad sure, otherwise no lol

[random shuttle]

this feels like contradictory statement with itself 😄

[spice cloud]

Lets face it they usually are

[fallen coyote]

But how is that a class issue then

[spice cloud]

Its not really

[drowsy relic]

Make pickpocket only trigger on ranged kills

Easy peasy

[spice cloud]

Its an issue with the ability

And pickpocket

[fallen coyote]

So the class...

Bruh

[spice cloud]

I mean what do you wanna hear?

The class itself isnt broken the ability is

And endless ammo is

[winter galleon]

Nerf the unpopular class. It definitely needs a change but any meaningful nerf is going to mean just play other classes

It needs a rework not a nerf

[spice cloud]

No just nerf desperado and pickpocket

Rampage is fine and stimm crate needs a buff

[hasty agate]

Even if they did the shit you guys are suggesting, it would solve nothing. People would still throw chem bombs and shoot rockets and delete the stuff you want to kill.

[winter galleon]

And if do that why play the class? Melee is fun but if actually want to top perform other classes are simply better. Range is carries by those abilities and without them really falls off

[spice cloud]

It would

[winter galleon]

Stimm crate is probably the strongest in team play

[spice cloud]

Oh yeah nerf chembomb too

[limber cradle]

Tbh I think if desp gets bad touched too hard you'll just see MKII needlers everywhere

[spice cloud]

I dobt care

[limber cradle]

I'm just throwing it out there

[drowsy relic]

You guys are right let's nerf zealot

[spice cloud]

As long as its not as stupidly broken i dont care

[near mauve]

when im in a wasting time compettion and my opponnent is hive scum chat recycling the same topic

[winter galleon]

True

[limber cradle]

Finally, a logical solution.

[rough peak]

ikr?

[limber cradle]

We love desp and pickpocket

[winter galleon]

Problem is theres no way to meaningfully nerf it without making it shit

[fallen coyote]

So basically nerf everything that makes the glass cannon class a glass cannon

[limber cradle]

We will only talk about desp and pickpocket

[spice cloud]

Bollocks

Its so overpowered

It will still be good aftwr just not broken af

[winter galleon]

Desperado is really weird in that it is super strong and super bad at same time. It doesmt bring meaningful damage buff just immunity and so insane uptime

[limber cradle]

The only good parts of desp imho are the infinite ammo and the ranged immunity

But they're also broken

[spice cloud]

Oh yeah those small little buffs lol

[winter galleon]

If remove them it needs a significant damage amp

[spice cloud]

Its just infinite ammo and ranged immunity

Nothing really

[rough peak]

small things in a tide game, miniscule

[limber cradle]

Alright jackass

[spice cloud]

Sry i was being sarcastic

[winter galleon]

Right now on a havoc40 chaos spawn for example popping desperado does not change number of magazines needed to kill it increases damage that little

[near mauve]

desparado aint even the most broken thing in the game

[winged bay]

infinite ammo is a problem only with some weapons

[limber cradle]

Nope

[rough peak]

and I joined in on the fun lol

[winged bay]

not like ammo is generally a problem

[limber cradle]

Specifically the Vraks and the DAPs ime

[spice cloud]

I agree

Its inly the full auto guns

[winter galleon]

So its basically a no dps gain ultimate made strong because infinite ammo and invulnerability. So remove those and whats left. We can agree its poor design but disagree on how to fix

[rough peak]

being able to recon vet and not run out of ammo is stupid, tho, just saying

[spice cloud]

We dont have to remove boths

I think removing ranged immunity is enough

[limber cradle]

I think if you keep one thing its the infinite ammo, yeah

[spice cloud]

Because the vulture thing gives that on crit allready

[dim wigeon]

i get the desperado is supposed to be a short range skirmisher that uses their speed and ability to ignore ranged hits to get close and mag dump the enemy with their high mobility, but even I will say it is quite silly

[winter galleon]

Or keep it and remove vultures dodge

[spice cloud]

Nah

[limber cradle]

Youd have to replace VD with something tho, which becomes more work

[spice cloud]

I think vultures dodge is more balanced

[winter galleon]

Make desperado activation do what its meant to do and thats to rush out clear gunners and return to team

[spice cloud]

Cause it requires u to crit

[limber cradle]

Vultures conveniently is busted on the same guns

[spice cloud]

Like psyker

[limber cradle]

Vraks IAG and DAPs

[spice cloud]

It would atleast be a point tax tho

Cause rn i dont have to use vultures dodge

[limber cradle]

Tbh I personally take it anyway

[spice cloud]

If they remove ranged immunity i would have to

[limber cradle]

If I run one singular thing outta vultures its that

[spice cloud]

I think it would be a good trade.

[winter galleon]

Lets be real it isnt going to get changed because fs isnt in the habit of nerfing anymore. But if they did it needs a rework not just nerfs. Its just poorly designed where cant really fix it by merely tweaking things

[hasty agate]

I enjoy playing ranged scum and making other players feel useless. Just saying.

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-sigh-gif-5895699729383201961

[rough peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1334710158525202443/99vpAu6.gif

[limber cradle]

Is that who i think it is

[rough peak]

warudo

[spice cloud]

Imagine genuinely thinking that

[limber cradle]

The one we both know

[winter galleon]

Stimm supply strong but boring, melee fun but end of day im left thinking i could just be on martyr zealot or vet. Ranged is carried by those abilities and if removed just play vet

[rough peak]

It's still a 10/10 gif

[hazy vector]

stupidest take i've seen here

[winter galleon]

Its a dlc class thats already seen as weak by most nerfing it isnt going to help with that

[limber cradle]

Oh it becomes an 11/10 if it's someone I know

[winter galleon]

And they want people to buy it for money

[hazy vector]

[limber cradle]

I do realistically expect slap on the wrist tier nerfs ngl

[final temple]

public reception is not reflective of public intelligence tho. show people how strong the class can be

[rough peak]

Yeah, I don't expect any nerfs that are too extreme any time soon on this class

[limber cradle]

Like irregardless of what should be done i don't think it's gonna get gutted.

[winter galleon]

Im down with some nerfs i just dont think will be meaningful for reasons already stated

[limber cradle]

I think we got till FS comes back from break at least

Iirc they do that soon

Or, they go on break soon, rather

[tender forge]

Got a feeling they are going to add a cooldown to pickpocket

[limber cradle]

An ICD would be fine, I don't expect it to be enough of one to matter tho?

[rough peak]

remember when they fucked up execution order on arby right before their big break?

[final temple]

yeah. this week’s hotfix last one for approx 4-5 weeks

[tender forge]

Yeah wont matter unless its like 60 seconds

[winter galleon]

Icd or make it on melee backstab kills

[limber cradle]

I'd take no ICD and just make it work off melee kills like VT2 tbh

[winter galleon]

To you know, fit the name

[limber cradle]

Backstab melee kills is insane

[spice cloud]

That aint enough and wont do much unless its like 1 min cooldown

[limber cradle]

Just make it melee based

[drowsy relic]

Baffles me that the same fatshark can release weapons like the DAPs, Shivs, needle pistol and the entire arbites unique weapon list

And also release the power falchion

[tender forge]

I just said that

[unreal stirrup]

hive scum
weak

[spice cloud]

Ah well

[supple kraken]

anything to not give veteran hotshot

[spice cloud]

I agree then

[hazy vector]

[tender forge]

Its really weak when the stim damage underflows

[final temple]

suppose different designers and a general ‘fuck it. we fix the rest live’ mentality.

[limber cradle]

The arb shotguns are actively worse than combat shotguns ime

[unreal stirrup]

yeah

not having actual ads hurt

even if it have good mpc

[limber cradle]

The DAPs are worse than the Vraks if you only care about dps

[spice cloud]

Arby shotguns are also busted

[winter galleon]

Pickpocket melee based, imo backstab based. And vultures dodge reworked to something else and maybe shorten the extension on desperado

[broken bear]

Ikr

[unreal stirrup]

the thing arb shotgun has over cs is cleave

but that it

[hazy vector]

i think making pickpocket only backstab will nerf it too hard

[winter galleon]

Its a drug class make the high stay high but the lows lower

[unreal stirrup]

it is a very good amount of cleave though

[limber cradle]

They practically do the same damage ime, CS just has approx 1.5x more ammo

And the CS has manstopper anyway

I digress tho

[unreal stirrup]

cs also have better spread since it can ads

aka more fullbore uptime

so pretty much alway assume its up

[drowsy relic]

But they're still good weapons

[winter galleon]

I was thinking maybe buff its return maybe a smaller amount each time but not restricted in exchange for backstsb proc. But probably getting too complex at that point for how much work theyd be willing to put

[limber cradle]

Idk, even if you remove ranged immunity off desp you still have vultures and the weapons that can utilize vultures well generally have an almost permanent uptime for it ime

[tender forge]

If backstabs werent so glitchy for me I would agree

Close range kills

[limber cradle]

Melee kills tbh

Simply make it melee

Also gives you a reason to use hypercrit ig

[tender forge]

Hypercrit isnt a melee kill technically is it?

[rare stirrup]

nope

[tender forge]

Counts as an execute

[winter galleon]

Its weird

[limber cradle]

I think its a melee non weakspot kill?

[supple kraken]

Hypercrit is khorne stealing that shi

[limber cradle]

Why is hypercrit so fucking weird

[drowsy relic]

I should try vraks desperado I just think the DAPs are so much fun

[winter galleon]

For 99% no but in weird situations it does count

[limber cradle]

Vraks is very boring but very effective imo

[tender forge]

I love me vraks

20 bullets per crusher whencin peak mode

On Auric

[drowsy relic]

Getting innate run and gun

Max stam running around

So fun

[limber cradle]

The DAPs mobility is what makes them fun

[winter galleon]

Vraks makes you feel like the soldier the vet wants you to be

Not like a druggie

[vast yoke]

yeah nimble is a must take now XD i mean it already was outside of a few caveats, now those caveats pretty much dont exist

[unreal stirrup]

why backstab is 120° is a mystery to me

[limber cradle]

Tbh yeah

Vet would kill to be vraks desping

[rough peak]

to fuck with us long time players, obviously

[unreal stirrup]

they fixed the dodge linger?

I haven't read patch note

[radiant swift]

all dodge lingers apperantly

[unreal stirrup]

goddamn

I miss nimble

[winter galleon]

Im fairly new and thought backstabs were easy and id anything too forgiving what were they before that makes people say they are hard?

[limber cradle]

They incentivize a whack ass playstyle ime

Although in theory

Youd desp through a crowd

Backstab one elite

And keep desping

[vast yoke]

tbh patchnote barely talks about it and makes it sound like its a talent only bug

we're still not sure if the linger being "fixed" across the board is actually intentional

probably is

gunners have been a bit overly lethal lately tbf

[unreal stirrup]

there only specific angle where attack count as "backstab"

In darktide its 120° behind the enemy

[limber cradle]

Ig it's to keep side stabs from happening?

[winged bay]

We are sure since I posted the code change

[radiant swift]

was that you in the comments of the patch notes syllo?

[winged bay]

No

[winter galleon]

I played with the backstab rending blessing on shivs once and wiped out like 8 crushers super fast in an auric qp. I went back to uncanny because usually i just let team handle crushers mostly unless have to but really didn’t feel hard to do

[winged bay]

someone copy pasted my screenshot

[unreal stirrup]

can't have shit in detroit

[winter galleon]

Most games im used to having backstabs work only directly squarely behind enemy and even a slight angle doesnt count

[radiant swift]

kitty

[drowsy relic]

It was me

The subreddit is too dumb

We must inform them

[radiant swift]

on the fatshark forums?

[limber cradle]

Reddit can't read anyway

[calm aurora]

read it

pun intended

[drowsy relic]

Oh I posted it on the subreddit

Not the forums

[drowsy relic]

They can't.

I don't think they can do anything

[final temple]

friendship ended with slippery. Nimble now best friend.

[limber cradle]

Be a government psyop

Thats it

[final temple]

now we need to test if jittery still doesn’t work on dodge-slide

[drowsy relic]

Be hard stuck malicd they're good at that

There was a guy who said he did havoc 16 and one of the comments was like "You're probably better than 95% of the player base"

For doing 1 auric maelstrom

[final temple]

possibly not wrong

[radiant swift]

true

[drowsy relic]

These peoples opinions shouldn't be worth as much as mine

[radiant swift]

this discord is skewed towards people who care about the game more and tend to be better

ish

at least a little bit

[drowsy relic]

Thank god

[final temple]

oh. no. I am bad as swamp ass.

[tight musk]

I'd try havoc if I didn't have to look for a team to play it.

I just open the map on Auric and press "quickplay".

[clear isle]

meanwhile tf2 backstab angle so wide it hits from the front too 😭

[radiant swift]

at being said, if I have another reaper fucking 180 his torso around at me

I am gonna have an anyuerism

[hasty agate]

Isn’t that the most bullshit thing you ever seen

[clear isle]

Considering the average random in damnation doesn't know how to use a medicae when they're on their last wound with 1 hp left, I think they might be right 💀

watching the lasgun vet spam "I need ammo!" while having walked past 5 large ammo in the last 30 seconds

[winter tusk]

Auric players dont even know fundamentals half the time lol

[winter galleon]

thats me on martyr zealot, too greedy to even temporarily heal up, must suffer for the emperor

[radiant swift]

that's a bit different tbf

[clear isle]

ok so this is gonna make you laugh like crazy, but this was on a veteran running ALL WOUND CURIOS

Im sure he was a vet bcz plasma gun, but Im just boggled

[rough peak]

woundvet doesn't hit the same as woundgryn

wounderan?

[clear isle]

how tf did this dude even reach damnation??

[winter galleon]

because damnation is damned easy

[rough peak]

getting hard carried

[clear isle]

woundier

hard carried for sure

[radiant swift]

play enough of them bound to unlock auric eventually

[winter tusk]

I had a martyrdom ogryn the other week in maelstrom lol

[radiant swift]

now usually, that would also make one develop some amount of skill

[winter tusk]

+3 wound curios

[clear isle]

https://tenor.com/view/dear-god-soldier-tf2-soldier-tf2-gif-7977085984093123408

[rough peak]

woundgryn

[winter tusk]

Martyrdom ogryn

[rough peak]

woundgryns have been a thing since 2022

[winter tusk]

Wounds are important sah, it means I get to go down and be a bigger burden for mah team, sah!

[tight musk]

I am become Deluxe.

[radiant swift]

floor tankgryn

[tight musk]

I've seen martyrdom veterans and psykers, tho it's been a while.

[tender forge]

Martyrgryn is the most legendary

[fallen void]

what is "strength" on guns

like what does it do

[radiant swift]

damage, stagger and cleave(punch through)

[fallen void]

ok

why does fatshark have to come up with these weird stat names and not explain them

vermintide had the same thing

[tight musk]

There's also power. I think it's just strength but with a different name, I don't know if there's a difference.

[radiant swift]

they are the same thing yeah

at some point they renamed power to strength in most instance iirc

[hasty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-gif-25799821

This for all the clowns that told me Nimble was working as intended, yesterday

[final temple]

it did. they literally changed it.

[radiant swift]

it was working as the coding intended but not the design (probably)

[final temple]

this.

[radiant swift]

it worked off dodge linger, which didn't apply to ranged before, it does now for all classes

[final temple]

now we gotta see if jittery still only applies to dodge, not dodge-slide

[radiant swift]

how does that work? (ior not work)

[final temple]

gives faster dodge recovery when over 75% stamina. but not when dodge-sliding. which counts as dodge too.

[winter galleon]

other classes should be bowing down to scum for causing them to get buffed as collateral

[radiant swift]

so dodge sliding takes a dodge charge and not restore it in the faster time

[final temple]

yep

[broken bear]

Ngl I never dodge slide

[winged bay]

huh

[final temple]

which is inconsistent with how dodge-slide is handled. putting a tinfoil penitent cap on I wonder if that is intentional cause they wanna move away from dodge-slide now that dodge lingers for ranged too

you can do some shenanigans with high mobility weapons, nimble and dodge-slide. yeeting yourself straight outta tertium.

[hasty agate]

Like the floor is freshly buttered

[fallen coyote]

More like dodging off a ramp, which launches you

[final temple]

I have seen scum so high, they did indeed fly

[fallen coyote]

But dodgesliding off a ramp pulls you to the ground

So less yeet

[signal nebula]

I feel this dodge linger change to the base code was a mistake

[fallen coyote]

Also normal dodge recov on dslide doesnt really matter when you cover atleast twice the distance and avoid hits by just getting out of range

[final temple]

I mean. now it sure does not matter coz everybody can just dodge bullets

[tight musk]

Imagine if there was a 0.001% chance your character forgets to grab the little cloth when blocking with the bone saw and you instantly die to your own toxin.

[final temple]

like. I don’t get who thought it was a good idea to give everybody ranged linger. xD

[drowsy relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1449474678166130862/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.12.13_-_12.53.54.43.mp4?ex=6941023d&is=693fb0bd&hm=ec2bc9f2b68a29a6495687089dbcc772aae0c09eb35e32030f13994a058742b8&

[drowsy relic]

This is a severe error hahaha

As I said they say this should be the last hotfix of the year but I'm not thinking it is

[unreal stirrup]

that would be extremely funny in havoc

[final temple]

I expect this to be pulled in the next few days at the latest

[drowsy relic]

Or it stays till Jan

[tight musk]

Can't wait for merry Fixmas.

[final temple]

well. you are the chosen one then, Reject #N30-C05914Y

[tight musk]

Hot Fixes in the area near you.

[last marsh]

uses cloth to touch toxin. uses cloth to wipe sweat off their brow by accent.

"oh--"

[signal nebula]

lol yes, agreed 100%

[last marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/have-you-heard-of-the-gif-21757596

[lilac ermine]

I switched out nimble bc I thought it wasnt helping with dodges

Is it fix now

[tight musk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hero-yoshihiko-and-the-demon-king's-castle-licking-poison-knife-poison-knife-scene-gif-5221904393176689113

[last marsh]

classic

[digital mango]

yesterday i did my most chaotic auric maelstrom ever, it was bugged and threw everything at us constantly, and multiple bosses at us at all times (and yes that shouldnt be too bad, buuuut... all the bosses was real ones not weakened ones..)

[main trellis]

Thank you my friend; only 1 way to check it out… creature spawner

[knotty cipher]

do you still want BM on taxe or should i swap it for something (other blessing is shred)

[radiant swift]

Brutal momentum and headtaker are still standard

[winter galleon]

well wait for the actual testers to say so but it certainly feels like hitboxes were fixed not just explosoins

not getting grabbed by dogs and trappers when clearly dodged anymore

[reef spoke]

I still am :c

But my internet has been shit lately

[zenith pagoda]

Trynna clutch for my fuckass team in h40 and multiple bosses and twins spawn

[zenith pagoda]

No honour among heretics

[young herald]

nah, that was explicit design intent as well. The original design was to have different parameters for linger for ranged vs melee (this is why the code until today's hotfix had variables for melee and ranged linger modifiers), but they couldn't get it to a place they were happy with, and ended up settling on linger only for melee

not sure why they walked that decision back all of a sudden, cuz it's a pretty significant nerf to incoming ranged damage

[drowsy relic]

Hopefully they walk....

Forward..?

Revert it

[lilac ermine]

Maybe they should change the meta by making slides have a cooldown

[young herald]

i doubt they will, but we'll see

[lilac ermine]

So dodges is needed for ranged

[young herald]

nah, putting a cooldown on slides would kill survivability in high difficulty runs entirely

[drowsy relic]

Also I'm not unlearning my muscle memory

[obsidian cipher]

The takes I read on this discord are something else lmao

[lilac ermine]

Ik but sliding all over the place looks so silly

[high gull]

Oh shit it's the karnak quadruplets

[obsidian cipher]

Guys, remember to read Reddit and watch YouTube videos that say melee Hivescum is useless in Havoc 40 (this one was Vigil — DH/Gas/Blight)
edit: this is 200 ms gaming btw

[lilac ermine]

Highest single hit damage 16k WHAT

Also what build :v

[broken moss]

bazooka

[brave beacon]

Let me know what you think?

[broken moss]

and it's only useless if there's a desperado scumbag on the team

[calm aurora]

it's bad, so bad, we need more buffs

[random shuttle]

It's a Glass Cannon with no Cannon

Furthermore, it has low ceiling and can't do more damage than other classes without a lot of work.

SMH.

[lilac ermine]

To get that much dmg your whole team has to be dead for while

[random shuttle]

Your silly numbers have no power over here!

[broken moss]

which is just facts. you won't be logging those kind of numbers with any measure of competent DAP scum on the team. if there's 2 you may just fall asleep

[tight musk]

How does an ogryn go down 3 times in a row right at the start of a mission? Man.

[random shuttle]

Ergo QED Therefore Pecunia non olet - Scum is bad.

[glacial gyro]

pops rampage
all the chaff dies
minimum duration

[short dew]

Does hivescum toughness regen stim work on toughness regen talents

[calm aurora]

Big Youtube said it was weak

[glacial gyro]

even better if its blighted stimms so there's a wall of green goo separating you from the gunners you desperately need to kill

[short dew]

Or is it passive toughness regen

[broken moss]

there's not a whole lot of skill to operating scum outside of simply surviving anyways and once you figure out how it works even that's not terribly difficult to work around. matyr zealots are more risky.

[calm aurora]

the stimm is for coherency regen

[tight musk]

Toughness regen from stimm only applies to coherency toughness regen. Which is disabled when you're fighting in melee.

[calm aurora]

the talents are toughness replenishment

[short dew]

So its practically useless in high havox

[young herald]

Yes

[short dew]

Ty

[broken moss]

holds left trigger for 2 seconds, all the chaff dies before you even get to them. refills ammo after popping one specialist

[glacial gyro]

yeah thats what I mean

[broken moss]

I'm talking about desperado lol

[glacial gyro]

desperado build really needs something done to it, its completely braindead

[calm aurora]

despacito scum is probaly more obnoxious than plasma vet

[broken moss]

I think melee does insane damage but it's still limited by range which is hard to get your blade into things that vaporize while you're trying to get to them

[glacial gyro]

And I'm talking about how being a rampage build is really hard when theres some fucker hosing down all the things you need to kill to maintain it

[broken moss]

oh ok

[calm aurora]

it's like qq psyker before it was nerfed

[broken moss]

yea yea now I see mb

[lilac ermine]

Desperado is fun and good

[broken moss]

idk about fun but it's definitely strong

[calm aurora]

what is the downside?

[young herald]

It mostly just needs to not be functionally invulnerable at no cost

[lilac ermine]

Its weaker then melee scum so

[main trellis]

I see dmg taken
No wonder you had such a hard carry; the rest were dogwater & busy dying

[broken moss]

I think it's fun for a while but holding lmb for 45 mins gets boring

[lilac ermine]

So why isnt ppl asking melee to get nerfed

[glacial gyro]

I would definitely argue much of the problem is the attack immunity. Being able to just stand completely still and roleplay a turret while fifty gunners blast away at you might be a little strong

[thorn sapphire]

"Hive scum melee is TOO HARD!!!"

[dense hollow]

idk where u get the idea that melee scum is better than desperado scum

its an interesting take

[main trellis]

Cause despi takes the spotlight

[calm aurora]

who is asking that?

[young herald]

Change the ranged invuln in desperado to making the sprint dodge angle like 140 degrees or some shit

Then it'd be about right

[lilac ermine]

Desperado scum cant carry against multiple bosses

[glacial gyro]

This was my takeaway as well. For fun I tried to push it as dumb as it would go and there were games where I never once used a melee weapon and the only time I dodged was to get out of pox bomber or fire radius, and I did just fine.

[broken moss]

where is the desperado scum in this picture

[lilac ermine]

They cant do same dmg

[broken moss]

oh boy...

[main trellis]

I would not take this as a comparrison; teammates were dogshit with that dmg taken (most likely dead alot of the time = no extra stats)

[glacial gyro]

desperado scum has the highest damage in the game at h40 right now

while also being extremely safe

[radiant swift]

all cannon no glass

[broken moss]

I assure you DAP scum is in no danger of being weak

[lilac ermine]

They cant even kill bosses well solo

[rare stirrup]

and?

[glacial gyro]

bro what are you talking about

[main trellis]

Can confirm; it can reach psyker tier dmg no problem

[lilac ermine]

So theyll die if they have to fight boss alone

[dense hollow]

bro went off the deep end

[drowsy tusk]

Is the weird support scum not the main used build people were talking about before?

[main trellis]

Thats auric

[lilac ermine]

Melee hive scum can solo 2 bosses at once

[glacial gyro]

ok we're being trolled

[dense hollow]

ragebait is set

[broken moss]

don't matter. it's about percentage

[dense hollow]

hook and line cast

[broken moss]

give me more mobs I do more

[main trellis]

Go to havoc

[livid raven]

can we buff desperado and pickpocket please

[lilac ermine]

Also desperado cant kill armor like melee

[livid raven]

i agree

[main trellis]

Its a manly sport; fishing & baiting

[livid raven]

i think desperado should give 50% rending

[main trellis]

[glacial gyro]

"Nerf zealot"? Well, ok, if you say so

[calm aurora]

My first despacito in auric I did like 800k, the double of my teamates... that was boring for me, because there's no adrenaline rush lasting that long and that must have been worse for my teamates

[dense hollow]

showing me a game where you have the most dmg because ur team is dogshit is not a compelling case

[livid raven]

well, desperado/pickpocket buff or zealot nerf

i'm ok with either

[lilac ermine]

In real game you only have 20% ammo and not always stim

[main trellis]

Needs to be competent team; hol up

[glacial gyro]

Hey! You put those goalposts down!

[broken moss]

yeah you ALWAYS have 20% ammo. and If u aren't using a raw CD stim with sample collector that's on you

[livid raven]

bro went sample collector with desperado

[lilac ermine]

Was that a cd stim

[broken moss]

non stop desperado

all day

[lilac ermine]

Why stim if its only a cd stim

[livid raven]

to keep desperado up

[broken moss]

so you keep desperado up

[lilac ermine]

In the video

[livid raven]

cd only stim is the best one imo

[lilac ermine]

He stims before shooting boss

[broken moss]

I've got a few points into damage on mine

[main trellis]

This was H40, HS was despacito
Arby
Zealot
Psyker with purg

[main trellis]

I use att spd & str with rending; i don’t have issues with cdr or ammo maintain/dps maintain

[tight musk]

A game going so terrible I decided to leave it after the 2 alive teammates went to the next area instead of reviving me and the bot (we had an ogryn who died at the start somehow and instantly left), and then quickplay put me back into the same fucking mission, still captured.

[broken moss]

it's not necessary but I feel like there's no reason not to be boosting the ult

if you keep that up you're getting free stats anyway

plus also ranged immunity and no ammo consumption

[glacial gyro]

no you see uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh your team was bad and thats why you had so many numbers

[calm aurora]

zealot buffs when?

[lilac ermine]

Cus team was letting them get kills

[dense hollow]

LOL

[glacial gyro]

ok this is definitely ragebait

[lilac ermine]

And 1 hr game my havocs is like 25 min

[hardy spruce]

darcy is that you

real question

[timid seal]

fixes for Scum that just make sense:

let us use the stimms just lying around, even if we have the cartel custom. just make it so that you use it upon hitting E or something. makes thematic sense for chemical dependency and you waste fewer medstimms that way instead of begging your clueless teammates to hit you with one if you need it.

UI Fix for the Custom Stimm Lab that tells you the total effects of your custom stimm. would leave a lotta guesswork out for newer players.

[main trellis]

I wanna see you compete with gunzerker as purg psyker
Or better; as arby or zel; see how you do it

[broken moss]

yea the gun does struggle vs armor but it's not like they're prohibited from bringing a melee weapon to deal with armor but then again why would they need to? they just kill everything unarmored on screen for free and task you lowly peasants standing around with nothing to do with taking out the crusher pack

[glacial gyro]

you need to stop feeding the troll

[lilac ermine]

I dont have arb dlc

[timid seal]

a missile launcher can easily two-tap any monstrosity and sniping Daemonhosts is literally done for fun even on difficulty 4 and 5. what are you on about.

[main trellis]

I feed him so he gets an indigestion

Its more fun this way

[lilac ermine]

They only have 4 rocket and no way get back it

[candid flare]

Literally just need the ability to pick up any stim while on cooldown to refresh our stim cooldown.

[broken moss]

oh god......

[calm aurora]

REMEMBER

[livid raven]

it would fit so well for the dependency keystone

or just as default for the class really

[sturdy linden]

Cat has some of the most zero IQ takes I've ever read on this server so you'll be feeding them a long time

[glacial gyro]

Mister E says hive scum is bad and so it must be true

[broken moss]

bro scum does not need more stim

[candid flare]

Finally a use for celerity stims that the whole squad always ignores

[main trellis]

Yeah about that… we had a game of havoc where will all debuffs rocket hit for like 50k dmg… a boss

[livid raven]

i always pick them up

[calm aurora]

more views than DT players

[lilac ermine]

No melee weapon is dealing with crusher packs if desperado

[livid raven]

and not use them until i'm at the end of the mission, in the ship

[main trellis]

My favourite type of a pepega then

[broken moss]

I think separating the inherent stim while allowing people to pick up in game stims might be an option but we do not need scum refreshing their own stims

[livid raven]

we do actually

[candid flare]

As far as I can tell they only exist to fatten the stim pool and make the ones people want drop less

[timid seal]

I mean that'd be nice too. but not having access to med stimms just makes no sense and is actually pretty crippling if you're stuck on a team full of dinguses

[broken moss]

bone saw and crowbar come to mind. shivs ain't bad at it either

[main trellis]

Try str rending stimm with despi 15% rending; its an acceptable dmg
Also toxins/rockets exist

[timid seal]

dayum

[main trellis]

It was recorded btw

[timid seal]

shivs with bleed and toxin go brrrrrrr

[lilac ermine]

Can desperado fit shiv with toxin

[livid raven]

thank god they buffed the rocket, for a moment i thought hivescum was a weak class

[glacial gyro]

real picture of Mister E

[tight musk]

You can just throw the daggers that come with shivs.

[main trellis]

Ofc

[livid raven]

tox on crit?

[lilac ermine]

3 dagger

[candid flare]

I kind of want to try a hybrid that fires off desperado, then melees while stimmed to get cooldown back

[livid raven]

you can, but you sacrifice a lot

[tight musk]

You get 2 back per dead crusher.

[glacial gyro]

No, its 4

[timid seal]

chucking a few knives does way more than people give it credit for. practice that aim and Specials get deleted, even Crushers and other major targets.

[lilac ermine]

Ok ig I didnt use that before

[astral canyon]

Its 5

[livid raven]

it's like one shot of the sneedler

[timid seal]

either way, Rockets and Toxin Bombs do serious work.

[sturdy linden]

It's crazy the amount of excuses you're able to pull out rather than admit you suck at gun scum

Actually impressive

[glacial gyro]

oh shit u rite

you have to use the third mark for 5 tho

[lilac ermine]

Bc I dont suck

[livid raven]

how does one suck at gun scum

you just keep pressing m1

[candid flare]

Bad aim

[main trellis]

Mk3 has 5?

[broken moss]

was Mr e saying scum was bad?

[livid raven]

what aim

yeah

the phrase

[broken moss]

no shot

[glacial gyro]

No, the secret third mark

[candid flare]

Can't hit stub special to save my life even tho they're my fave

[livid raven]

"glass cannon without the cannon" everyone repeats comes from him

[sturdy linden]

Dunno, i ain't the one bitching about how gun scum can't handle carapace or bosses

[glacial gyro]

you have to take Hadron on a date and emerge unservitorized to unlock it

[broken moss]

I thought that initially myself but that was while leveling

[livid raven]

i mean, it doesn't handle carapace well

[lilac ermine]

It cant rlly

[livid raven]

handles bosses pretty good tho

[broken moss]

cuz early on it really was painful to survive and didn't do much damage

[livid raven]

at least, big bosses

[broken moss]

but at some point it just becomes God

[livid raven]

i wouldn't shoot into a captain

[candid flare]

Pretty sure the majority of this discord does not like Mr. E

[lilac ermine]

For scab captain and twins have to melee them

[leaden fable]

Just shiv or rocket them it's dat shrimple

[livid raven]

yeah but shiv have still a pretty good dps even with 0 investement

[lilac ermine]

If run out of ammo bc 20% max ammo on other boss have to melee them

[winter galleon]

captains range scum really is relegated to crowd control tbh

[glacial gyro]

you have to get the rending nodes, they're hidden to the right

[livid raven]

go kill an elite or something

[broken moss]

shivs just slay. and the move set is the most braindead in the game

[leaden fable]

Or take rending on your stim + desperado rending will let you kill one or two even with the dap

[calm aurora]

he can have bad takes, but he has not actually posted toxic shit like Tranner

[broken moss]

to the point I wish the other melee would get buffed so I don't feel like I'm trolling by bringing anything other than shivs as melee scum

[leaden fable]

Or let the vet kill them since that's the only kills they'll be getting this match

[glacial gyro]

I believe that honor goes to the mk3b bully club sir

[broken moss]

nah bro

[lilac ermine]

Good vets can do as much dmg as desperado hive scum

[broken moss]

m1 spam

[leaden fable]

Rashad would like a word

[lilac ermine]

Now that they fix plasma

[main trellis]

30% rending + str
Also toxins/rockets/melee weapons exists

[broken moss]

Billy at least has some good reasons to heavy

[main trellis]

[main trellis]

I wish

[lilac ermine]

What talent its it named?

[sturdy linden]

What'd i tell you

[glacial gyro]

Crusher Crusher

[dense hollow]

rampage melee scum does more dmg than desperado ranged scum bros..

[lilac ermine]

Im friends with them good vet and psyker and they do around same dmg

[glacial gyro]

+100% rending against Crushers

[lilac ermine]

Oh I didnt see that

[glacial gyro]

That explains it

[sturdy linden]

Not beating the you sucking at gun scum allegations, js

[lilac ermine]

I just have good friends

[broken moss]

be hard to test though. seeing as how anything you want to hit is just dead before you get to it

[radiant swift]

I mean it's not that out of the question that the numbers can be about the same, one is just much safer and does so from rnage

[broken moss]

I honestly think they do about the same damage, melee may have more potential but hard to realize that potential in the face of long range infinite ammo nuker smgs

[radiant swift]

that

[dense hollow]

i play melee hs over desperado hs and i can see the power obviously

[sturdy linden]

Melee lot more fun that's for sure

10x more engaging

[broken moss]

it's a skill issue. if the desperado player is just shit or has a bad build they're going to get out damaged by melee easily

[dense hollow]

i dont play desperado because it's super unfun to me

turning off mechanics is terrible for engagement

[random shuttle]

The most important part of the game is Number on a Scoreboard that is a MOD you need to install, after all, we all know it

[lilac ermine]

Yes it does

[radiant swift]

https://i.redd.it/yn7lizvdc07g1.gif

[spice cloud]

Magdumping 10 matches straight does get rather stale quickly

[random shuttle]

I heard some people play to have fun but we all know they are posers

I bet they didn't even Solo H41 on grey weapons without talents.

Noobs.

[spice cloud]

I get the people with carpal tunnel now after playing desperado with the stubs

I never spammed m1 so much

[main trellis]

Still does not fix the main issue

[main trellis]

Need both competent ones in the team & play the game as if there was no competition

[random shuttle]

That is why I have Papa Willy and Blorko

so I can carry them

The fact that I might be dead half the mission is just my way of saying "I trust you guys, you can do this" which is an advanced motivational technique.

[lilac ermine]

Chaos spawn has weak health

[main trellis]

That was havoc +30

[spice cloud]

Advanced teambuilding tactics👆

[main trellis]

It was not weakened pepega

[random shuttle]

That is why I earn the big bucks.

A mid-level Darktide Manager.

[lilac ermine]

I mean krak grenade can do same

[calm aurora]

has anyone tested blackout tox extensively? Because I did a run and it was like 1/4 of my total dmg

[random shuttle]

"If a woman can deliver a baby in 9 months, 9 women will deliver a baby in one month!"

[obsidian cipher]

Ogryn had skullcrusher iirc, so probably a big crit with everything up on a boss
I wasnt using bazooka there

[spice cloud]

I think out of all bosses i hate chaos spawn most cause i just cant learn its damn attack pattern.

[calm aurora]

ogryn carrying again

[lilac ermine]

What melee build to use

[glacial gyro]

Drukhari: "We tried this already, it only kind of worked""

[random shuttle]

Whaaaaat

Rotbag is the best boss!

[obsidian cipher]

like 90% of my games are something similar, to be fair you can do this gap with every class as long you just know what you're doing

[main trellis]

I like me a strong man who likes beans to carry me

[random shuttle]

Burgle is shit boss.

[spice cloud]

Yeah unless im ogryn then it doesnt really matter

[glacial gyro]

I fucking hate burgle

[spice cloud]

Id rather have a slug when im alone then a spawn

[spice cloud]

Burgle is easyest

[glacial gyro]

Spawn any day, its annoying but burgle is like "oh you got grazed by vom, time to run away for 30 seconds"

[spice cloud]

But i like krumping it

[obsidian cipher]

tbh everysingle desperado hs I played with sucked, choosing to mag dump hordes and melee enemies instead of pushing gunners (you are literally immune brother, CMON)
Id personally choose a good melee over a ranged one 100%

[random shuttle]

😄

[sonic pumice]

Burgle is no boss, just terrain hazard with HP bar

[lilac ermine]

I barely have any team die in havoc bc desperado protects team and keep team alive with vulture mark. So I dont get that big of gap unless I let my team die

[broken moss]

I mean I agree and have similar complaints but those big damage numbers we brag about come from somewhere and it's not coming from sniping specials

[spice cloud]

Plogryn is mist fun

[lilac ermine]

Is melee maybe stronger then for solo carry

[random shuttle]

Nah. I mean yes, Burgle is easy af

but Plogryn is the easier

Plogryn is hardly a boss

[spice cloud]

I actually meant plogryn yeah

[random shuttle]

3 Crushers is more threat than Plogryn

[spice cloud]

Mb

[main trellis]

All depends tbh; despacito is weak vs melee so if there is a massive horde in between the gunners and him it can be rough to first chew through melee so you don’t get molested

[glacial gyro]

pogryn is what you hope spawns because it dies fast and doesn't do damage, its mostly there to toss people around

[spice cloud]

I just like soloing the plogryn its fun

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-dap-up-dap-me-up-smiling-friends-dap-up-super-monkey-ball-gif-1457175062092915584

[main trellis]

Tbh tho not many ppl are confident/aggressive enough with despi to use it fully too

[glacial gyro]

3 crushers is more of a threat than most things in the game

[spice cloud]

True

[glacial gyro]

The only thing more threatening than 3 crushers is more than 3 crushers

[main trellis]

I like to call them
Plowgryns

[calm aurora]

what about 30 crushers

[main trellis]

[random shuttle]

Okay okay

[spice cloud]

I personally think crushers are the most dangerous thing in the game

[random shuttle]

Real questions

for real hombres

[spice cloud]

Along with bullwark

[random shuttle]

What is worse

[broken moss]

this is when you log out

[random shuttle]

12 Crushers

or

[random shuttle]

12 Bulwarks

[obsidian oxide]

bulwarks

[calm aurora]

oh sorry, i am lagging ooppps

[glacial gyro]

hmmmm

[spice cloud]

I think bullwarks yeah

[main trellis]

Bulwarks

[glacial gyro]

crushers can actually kill you, bulwarks are mostly just annoying

[spice cloud]

Unless rumbler

Or flamethrower

[dense hollow]

12 bulwarks is diabolical

[broken moss]

yea bulwarks are a distraction

[random shuttle]

See this is how you see that Discord has Real OG's

[calm aurora]

or 12 bursters

[random shuttle]

Bulwarks is absolutely the correct answer

because Fuck Bulwarks

[main trellis]

On average bulwarks cause they block you; crushers tank you

[spice cloud]

Atleast crushers let u hit

[broken moss]

and they protect the real threats from getting cleave shot. like trappers and shit

[dense hollow]

thankfully hs has a good rocket now that'll kill those 12 bulwarks for 1 rocket

[obsidian oxide]

unless you have something to consistently stagger bulwarks, (blackouts, trauma, VoC, rumbler), bulwarks will always be so much worse

[glacial gyro]

OK follow up question. Is there anything else in the fight except the bulwarks or crushers or is it JUST those

[random shuttle]

Big pack of bulwarks is how 99,999999(9)% of players get netted and die

[obsidian oxide]

woe trapper behind 6 bulwarks upon ye

[random shuttle]

It's facts.

[neon mango]

my team staring at me as i desperately try to get an attack past the bulwark shield (they are too busy stealing ammo to help)

[spice cloud]

Ogryns will allways be only real threat of atoma

[glacial gyro]

Because if its JUST those its crushers, but the moment you add in any special or elite it becomes the bulwarks

[calm aurora]

we need a new boss

[obsidian cipher]

If you want I can show more scoreboards, Id say 99% of my hs games are something like that with a smaller gap

[spice cloud]

Bullwarks are real dicks

[broken moss]

idk man there's a pretty strong case for pox bursters and tox bombers

[obsidian cipher]

I literally had 51% of all specials kills

[calm aurora]

cspawn was introduced 2 years ago at least

[winter tusk]

We need a rebalance for a lot of shit

Take down powecreep overall

[lilac ermine]

Do u have link to build I wanna try

[sonic pumice]

Sadly corruption only made Pogryn lame, ogryn are the superior race and they made it the weakest boss

[dense hollow]

new boss is the triplets

[random shuttle]

**Darktide Most Embarrassing Universal Death No.33:

Running at a Reaper gunning you down and your melee attack doesn't stagger him so you die full of holes.**

[calm aurora]

new monstro I mean

[broken moss]

and like 80% of all trash kills

[compact oyster]

I want a daemon engine as a monstrosity

[spice cloud]

It needs more aoe attacks and a grab

[glacial gyro]

I never realized how much of a problem reapers were until I played something other than zealot/ogryn

[winter galleon]

20 bulwarks with 20 trappers spawn go

[sonic pumice]

Must fart with every step

[obsidian cipher]

And to be completely honest, since you dont play havoc, this discussion is wont take us anywhere

[broken moss]

my point is that big numbers don't come from special sniping

[high gull]

The hell ever happened to that ranged plogryn that people data mined fucking ages ago

[spice cloud]

Real

[calm aurora]

yeah, I wonder...

[broken moss]

cuz havoc is shit

[random shuttle]

I sometimes still do that error when I play melee vet or melee scummy

[obsidian cipher]

are you dense wtf, have you seen the elite kills?

[random shuttle]

and I run at Reaper/Reapers

[obsidian cipher]

probably auric player ragebait

[winter tusk]

Just add the stormfiend ogryn thats been in the game since release

[random shuttle]

and my shivs do not stagger him

and I am like

RUH ROH SCOOBY

[broken moss]

stay mad

[exotic temple]

Hear me out reaper boss with carapace armor….

[dense hollow]

plasma reaper when

add a carapace helmet

[glacial gyro]

Wait, ruh roh is what scooby says, is he talking to himself?

[winter galleon]

Reaper boss with carapace and captain shield

[random shuttle]

yes