hivescum-class

[dim moth]

huh

[ancient basin]

you have to hit beside the bulwark to open them, hitting the shield does nothing

so throw at the ground by their feet

[final temple]

they don’t seem to open when you throw at their shields. if the explosion happens at their feet it seems to work.

[dim moth]

who do you think I am

I am aware

[limber cradle]

Its just bulwarks being bulwarks

[final temple]

if bleed and tox can both proc off the same crit

[ancient basin]

if blinder doesnt work, upgrade to the bulwark remover, the boom bringer

[limber cradle]

I think the funniest shit is when you throw a blinder, they finish whatever animation they're in, then they get stunned

[dim moth]

yeah happens every time

bleed effect bugs out and doesn't play tho

[ancient basin]

6 bulwarks bullying you in a corner from nowhere? fuck u rocket lawn chair

[icy scaffold]

AoE bolt pistol is pretty fun on desperado scum though. Though you can also just get away with only pickpocket.

[final temple]

as long as the damage is applied.

[icy scaffold]

You don’t even have to put your gun away for poxbursters with the bolt pistol, you can just knock them around with the AoE

[final temple]

not saying it’s bad. just about not adding any value for dodge-slide.

[ancient basin]

scum ranged options base line only really have a single anti carapace option, the needler. You can make the hipfire revolver work without excessive investment, but you are then locked into the ranged build

[icy scaffold]

Revolver is a fun option at least

Run around pretending you’re a cowboy

[ancient basin]

it just needs a small boost in rending to 1 mag crushers, I want to use it instead of needler as a side arm on my rampage build

but alas, I may have to keep reworking my build

[main trellis]

Or just use rending path for cartel stimm + 15% rending on desperado
And use melee that deals nicely vs carapace

[oblique basin]

Blessings for braced autogun?

[main trellis]

Fire frenzy + deathspitter

[oblique basin]

And vraks?

[main trellis]

Fire frenzy + dumdum

[oblique basin]

Interesting, no speed ones?

[brittle sierra]

Deathspitter+Dumdum

[main trellis]

No need; 30% reload spd for 8s on close kill is enough

[oblique basin]

Nice, and hows the bolt pistol on this class with left side ability?

[main trellis]

If it achieves meaningful cleave then yes otherwise worse dmg wise overall

[brittle sierra]

No it's because strength is multiplicative

To the final calculation

[main trellis]

Desperado is for rapid fire weapons (and maybe double barrel); bolt pistol is a sidearm

[brittle sierra]

They are both about the same

[main trellis]

Requires testing which one does more dmg

[brittle sierra]

Fire frenzy in isolation does slightly more damage

But this does not include cleave or impact value

[ancient basin]

infantry auto guns reload quick thankfully

I have the revolver at a state now where its almost reliable 1 mag on crushers without stims, its based on if you get mostly crits. all crits and you are 1 mag, otherwise they have a little tiny bit of hp left

[icy scaffold]

It’s really fun, make sure you use the mark that has an actual AoE. Then proceed to melt hordes, elites and specials.

[ancient basin]

even with rending stim there is stil a chance to leave it with a tiny bit of hp, 1 heavy attack from a poor melee would do it

[icy scaffold]

Nah, you can main bolt pistol with desperado too. It’s fun. Tearing massive holes in hordes is peak.

[unreal osprey]

buh

[main trellis]

Use your melee

[icy scaffold]

Melee is for nerds

I spend 95% of the time shooting in Darktide

[dim moth]

bulwarks are always "staggered" by the first thing that hits their shield

which temporarily gives them a large amount of stagger resistance

including enemy ranged units shooting their shield

[drifting heron]

Scum breeding an even more dangerous kind of vet player

[icy scaffold]

I play recon las vet

And staff Psyker. Ranged only lets goooo

[drifting heron]

Were gonna kill you with hammers

Please go play zealot

[astral sundial]

TIL you can cheese the 1000 second stim achievement by just going into an uprising and setting your stim to 15 seconds with just one node lol

[icy scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/never-harrypotter-angry-fire-no-gif-4751988

[frigid wyvern]

fairly sure a shield shouldn't be able to take this many arrows yes i know this isnt bannerlord 2 discord

[drifting heron]

You are playing the melee game

Play the melee

[icy scaffold]

I’d play Gunlugger Ogryn but they’re not ammo efficient enough so I don’t want to grief my team by hogging all the ammo

[icy scaffold]

If the game is a melee game then why can I play half the classes ranged only? Checkmate atheists.

[fallen arrow]

What do people typically like to take on the combat axe?

[icy scaffold]

Also Fatshark doesn’t have an auto swing option for console. So I blame them.

[brittle sierra]

French fries 🍟

[fallen arrow]

Mmm, but its not poutine.....

[balmy radish]

why does poison feel so unsatasfying

[drifting heron]

How would you turn it on

[fallen arrow]

I dunno about you, but shooting a trapper twice then running away as she dies is pretty satisfying to me

[balmy radish]

then comes someone and steals your kill

[fallen arrow]

That hasnt really happened with specials for me

Least with trappers

[icy scaffold]

You’d just go into the options and turn on the auto swing accessibility option. Then make heavies take a fancier input or something

[drifting heron]

What input would heavies be

[unreal osprey]

it feels like neurotoxin payload in drg

just so boring to play

[balmy radish]

i like siennas fire dot bw in vermintide 2

[astral sundial]

What blesses do you guys think for the needler ?

mk2

For my bonesaw im going decimator and shock and awe

[fallen arrow]

IMO, it feels like the needler could go in any direction and it'd work okay

[blissful gull]

is dropping swift endurance for unload for my build?

trying to make a ranged build for havvoc

[drifting heron]

Wack ass desperado build

[fallen arrow]

Im personally taking the more defensive blessings like Ghost and Gloryhunter

[drifting heron]

Take vultures

[sturdy linden]

huh, what gun and melee with this?

[blissful gull]

autos and shivs

[drifting heron]

Its just better than dependency for desperado

[icy scaffold]

There’s a few options that would require playtesting obviously, like holding the swing button after a shove, so it’d be shove -> shove attack -> heavy. You could also mess around with like double tapping R2 into a hold for heavies or even give the option of remapping heavy onto a different button like holding R1 for heavies while still being able to tap R1 for abilities. It’s really not that complicated.

[sturdy linden]

interesting.. if you're going autos then isn't Vultures better by far than chem dep

because crit strings

[drifting heron]

Having to PA chain into every heavy would fucking blow lol

[icy scaffold]

Chem dependency is a bit stronger unless you really like vulture’s dodge imo.

[drifting heron]

But darktide is so loaded on controller

[drifting heron]

They do the same thing for desperado

[icy scaffold]

Extra DR and extra CDR vs extra damage and vulture’s dodge.

I prefer having more desperado but that’s just me

[sturdy linden]

I mean, if you just hit a CDR stimm after Desperado ends then it's kinda whatever

[drifting heron]

Cdr isn't very relevant for desperado because you can keep it up so long

[astral sundial]

What would hotshot do exactly ? does that mean if I hit a weakspot the shot pierces ?

Or what does "cleave" on a needler mean?

[trim wind]

i dont think dependancy is all that strong

[drifting heron]

And vultures gives you half its effects during downtime

[trim wind]

shot goes into the guy behind

[astral sundial]

Hmm. Then maybe ghost hotshot on the needler could be good

[limber cradle]

I dont like chem dependency tbh

I like being able to choose when to stimm

Instead of popping that mf in an elevator lmao

[sturdy linden]

I use Stripped Down + Desperado (the blessing) because crit hits stack even more tox

[sturdy linden]

shrimply throw down a crate every horde and do drugs with all your friends

[astral sundial]

Hmm. Desperado coulkd also be good then

noted. Ty

[final temple]

do you even stimm if the stimm doesn’t decide when to do you?

[limber cradle]

Not a crate guy

[limber cradle]

I'm not high enough for this man

[final temple]

that is a problem.

[icy scaffold]

You can let it drop a stack if you’re at max stacks. You should be back in the fight before the second stack goes away

[radiant swift]

it is very nice when you get it synced up

[limber cradle]

While I agree with you I don't like mentally managing stacks

Ive defo stopped thinking about it and had it hit one stack before

[icy scaffold]

Yea that’s fair, I still forget too on occasion

[drifting heron]

Especially for desperado, you need to take a nerfed stimm to make it work best

[final temple]

so what you are saying is that you are not a professional addict. there is only one remedy: stimming more!

[drifting heron]

And it doesn't provide any meaningful benefits over vultures mark

[unreal osprey]

what a great feature

[blissful gull]

why does BM help hyperviolence?

[calm aurora]

So now 12 days is weeks.

[rotund agate]

well, if we don't count weekends...

[calm aurora]

Hyperviolence helps BM by making the breakpoints easier to reach. And that's 4 mobs in one attack. And the overkill dmg will make you do more

[calm aurora]

In what reality?

[rotund agate]

idk, was just making a crappy joke...

[trim wind]

after months of testing, i have found the hive scum lvl 25 meta

[calm aurora]

[rotund agate]

although, I guess the "in what reality would we not count weekends" could be seen as a potential punchline...

[light sorrel]

anyone tested bleed+tox?

[rotund agate]

its very gud as far as I can tell

[random shuttle]

least corrupt official in 40k

[limber cradle]

Whats the star?

[random shuttle]

Prestige. True Level mod thing.

[blissful gull]

blessings/perks on vraks V if you're going rampage?

[limber cradle]

I see, ty

[random shuttle]

I run bleed+tox shivs build and it is awesome. Never failed me yet.

[light sorrel]

i swapped bleed on crit for uncanny strikes and did worse

guess bleed really is good

[random shuttle]

On my build I normally have 70% overall crit rate. During high moments easily cross 80%. This means I stack bleed+tox like crazy. But Bleed isn't a bit deal. Not small either. Usually cover 10% of all DMG i deal.

[rotund agate]

btw, does crobar benefit from the Hypercrit + Hyperviolence combo?

[bronze glade]

Not hugely

Hypercrit requires damaging critical attacks

Hyperv requires overkill

Crowbar is good at neither

[blissful gull]

is this the move for tac axe or is shred better than headtaker?

[rotund agate]

idk, I at least feel like crowbar has decent crit damage on the hook mode moveset...

[drifting heron]

Flak unarmored

[woeful hill]

does scum need unamored?

[bronze glade]

I do Cara unarmored with HT

[brittle sierra]

Knife
Dual Uzis

[woeful hill]

zealot without talents doesnt

[drifting heron]

You don't need it but it feels way better

[bronze glade]

Pretty sure the finesse is shit

[woeful hill]

Headtakers always then Shred/BM (deci is an option but isnt that good)

[manic wolf]

Headtaker is the usual pick, but I am debating trying Shred/BM on a crit-centric build later on. It might be shidd, it might bo good, not sure yet

[drifting heron]

Shred bm would be good if you could make it consistent

[manic wolf]

Which you can on Scum

At least in theory

[rotund agate]

fair point. I guess I just get better BPs from crit hook swings due to opportunist + can opener/superiority...

[dim moth]

yeah scum can get 100% crit chance

have to have chem dependency tho

[manic wolf]

Yer

[dim moth]

and a weapon with at LEAST +5% base crit

[manic wolf]

Though TacAxe has a pretty high base crit during most of its attacks

So it should be workable

[dim moth]

yeah it's like 11% or something weird

[manic wolf]

I just wanna see if permacrit on it changes my mind about Hypercritical, because at this point I just dont see a reason to take it when Hyperviolence exists

[reef skiff]

i think i'm addicted to the bolt pistol

[charred bronze]

What do you plan to shoot with it? I like dumdum and speedloader for blessings, but you could do deathspitter instead of speedloader since you're not spamming it

[drifting heron]

Its a BM weapon though so hyperviolence is probably just better

[brittle sierra]

Put me in chat

[icy scaffold]

You can get hazard stripes for it too in the current premium shop, so you can have it match your hazard stripe armor. (The best drip obviously)

[reef skiff]

aww but im water cartel

[icy scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-disgusted-the-boys-homelander-disgusted-ew-gif-4826567861114153994

[balmy radish]

Drives over you with a train

[icy scaffold]

I wish Megleviathan’s crew had the hazard stripes ngl

[balmy radish]

same

[reef skiff]

all i have to do is step slightly to the left and off the tracks lmao gottem

[icy scaffold]

Gotta go with the hazard stripes tho iron within, iron without

[icy scaffold]

I use the gladiator helm

[balmy radish]

which one

hope the tread lightlies one

[reef skiff]

what personality do yall use for scum

[icy scaffold]

Of course

[limber cradle]

Male bounty hunter

[reef skiff]

i use male outlaw

[astral sundial]

Phagetree must be the mission i despise the most....

[balmy radish]

male bountie hunter

[icy scaffold]

It’s all tread lightlies with the hazard stripe bolt pistol

Female bounty hunter

[bronze glade]

Manarchist

[balmy radish]

didn't got bolter and bp skins yet

can scum use normal bolter?

[icy scaffold]

No

[radiant swift]

nope

[balmy radish]

...

would be fun

[radiant swift]

would be both silly and suck tbh

[icy scaffold]

I just happened to notice the bolt pistol skin under the Psyker section and got immediately hyped

[radiant swift]

the infinite ammo would be funny, trying to actually use the bolter ever would not be

[balmy radish]

You sure with enough reload speed and Gunslinger

[icy scaffold]

Would be too good probably

[clever wren]

I was about to say, a bolter with infinite ammo couldn't be terrible

[balmy radish]

Magleviathan would be proud

[radiant swift]

I guess HS does negae some of the issues thinking about it

[manic wolf]

Yep, probably, but HC seems to be kinda bad on everything given how much Scummer can juice thier melee damage, even on a ranged build I would still be taking Hyperviolence because HC just feels too like gamba to really ever pull its weight in comparison

[icy scaffold]

You get so much crit rate on a ranged build tho, especially if you take chem dependency.

[manic wolf]

I wouldnt take Chem Dep on a pure ranged build either, so its kind a moot point

[icy scaffold]

Fair

[final temple]

HC is good for early insta kills and it doesn’t interfere with HV once your damage stacks come online as you easily overshoot the margin

[icy scaffold]

I don’t think anything could take me off chem dependency personally

[manic wolf]

Regardless, the point is tha Hyperviolence provides ultra-consistent damage rampup, even with very little investment. HC just kinda doesnt. I'll try it on a 100%, or near 100% crit build, but Im still very skeptical

[final temple]

it’s basically the inverse of the typical stacking damage node.

[manic wolf]

Right but after you have some ramp up, you're probably one shotting most things anyway. So HC just serves as a stack limiter

[slender plinth]

how does no respite perform on the combat shotty?

[manic wolf]

It just seems kinda shit

[final temple]

what you experience with it is early highs, then possibly a dip in damage consistency and then your damage nodes should be online and hv rolling

[radiant swift]

good👍

pretty sure it works wierd and gives more damage thne it says, but that may have been fixed a long time ago

[bronze glade]

do you like having up to 140% extra damage?

[slender plinth]

hmmmm
Interesting
Thanky
currently i think i want to use it as a suppression too-

[slender plinth]

wot

[bronze glade]

the description lies

unsurprisingly

[slender plinth]

that is more than 20 percent 😭

[bronze glade]

it's 20% per stack of stagger

[radiant swift]

so it does still work wierd

[slender plinth]

darktide moment

[bronze glade]

an enemy can have up to 7 stacks of stagger

i'm simplifying it a bit

[slender plinth]

i see
so presumably you shoot them once/push/etc to get stagger, and then you hit them and it does ridiculous damage?

[bronze glade]

but that's basically how it is

[slender plinth]

not familiar with how stagger works

[bronze glade]

pushing is not enough to actually stagger many elites

[final temple]

From my experience I noticed HC being absent during testing way more than variance in HV overkill through a possible HC proc eating a kill

[manic wolf]

Hmm.. Wonder if Combat Shotgun is one of the handful of instances that makes Cheap Shots worth taking

[bronze glade]

try knocking them down with a slug or something first

then nail them

[slender plinth]

makes sense

i'm using the highest damage model and that seems to be able to stagger/suppress most things-?

[tender marten]

level 1: staggered
level 2: really staggered
level 3: really, really staggered
level 4: super staggered
level 5: super duper staggered
level 6: ultra mega stagger
level 7: stagasaurus

[brittle sierra]

8.) staganus

[bronze glade]

kuli: can confirm, this is how i tworks

[bronze glade]

assatran? use agri or zarona instead

[slender plinth]

is assatran not good?

i was really liking how it suppresses gunners with one shot

[final temple]

I heard there is a mythical 8th level of stagger. it cleanses your bowels and makes you emotionally unassailable.

[radiant swift]

the other ones got a substantial buff and it did not

[dim moth]

accatran does the lowest damage actually

[slender plinth]

but it shows the highest-?
weird

[tender marten]

thats basically its singular benefit yes

[dim moth]

both other shotguns will do more damage in ANY circumstance that is not a non-crit bodyshot from point blank

[slender plinth]

i see
that's fair, it does have some pretty bad spread

[bronze glade]

yeah it's awful

[radiant swift]

is it worth ever using the special on the zarona?

[tender marten]

plus lower ammo and slower rack time

[bronze glade]

and has like recon las levels of finesse

[manic wolf]

They changed all the names, which one is Accatran?

[bronze glade]

fire

[tender marten]

yea on some builds if done right its a tremendous horde clearer, it also staggers very reliably against shit like reapers

[dim moth]

yes it kills poxwalkers instantly

[manic wolf]

Never thought I'd see the day where fire shotgun would be bad, but ho hum

[dim moth]

and CAN (on extremely high damage builds) one shot headshot shotgunners

[bronze glade]

its special got nerfed really hard

and it barely g ot buffed

[slender plinth]

how does the precise shotgun do at suppressing?

[bronze glade]

while zarona/agri got big buffs

[tender marten]

hot take i suppose but i think the fire shotgun was always shit. people only really loved it when it was exceptionally bugged/broken

[slender plinth]

also yeah the fire does nothing at all

it's useless

[tender marten]

awful unless youre hitting them

[slender plinth]

oof

[tender marten]

but it hits very hard so like

[slender plinth]

then again i guess killing an enemy is the best suppression

[tender marten]

just do that

[dim moth]

https://fximgur.com/a/yuGZP1O I have this and this is basically THE Zarona propaganda footage clip

[manic wolf]

I was aware all the shotguns got touched a while back, but I didnt know the fire shot got batted

[slender plinth]

what goes well with no respite?

[tender marten]

full bore

[slender plinth]

huh
okay that makes sense on the agripinaa actually you're cooking
Especially since slug ammo

[bronze glade]

yeah was a while back

went from infinite cleave specal (including through bulwark shields)

to what

4-4.5 cleave?

[manic wolf]

Oh wow

So nuked into irrelevance then

[charred bronze]

That's fun. How'd it work to get results like this?

[bronze glade]

if only the primary shot was better...

[slender plinth]

hmmM
I dunno i'm finding a lot of utility in the Accatran as an instant suppressor for my melee scum

[tender marten]

It went infinite cleave THROUGH WALLS > infinite cleave through enemies > reasonable cleave but the dot damage is still shit

[manic wolf]

It was decent last time I used it, but that was probably before they put out the Double Barrel That kinda just made Combat Shotgun's dissapear into the void for me

[slender plinth]

truing
Does combat shotgun have good ranged suppression though

[bronze glade]

zarona and agri both have their niches and are quite strong tho

[tender marten]

i used to take the accatran a lot back when it shot through walls just for hound waves

[slender plinth]

i can't believe combat shotgun doesn't have run n gun
messed up

[amber sundial]

agri still has rediculous finesse multiplier iirc

[woeful hill]

yes

[manic wolf]

Im sure, but shotguns are always better as doublebarrels an if one is avaliable, I will always pick that

[bronze glade]

prob got more ridiculous after it got buffed if anything...

DB is excellent too

[hazy vector]

I just met worst player in auric maelstrom i ever seen

Them oron managed to kill whole team by shooting bursters

[dim moth]

well you see

veteran

[dim moth]

man I flame people in chat for shooting one poxburster

you hear a poxburster your very first action should be to put your gun away

no matter what you're doing

if you have your gun out, put that sht away

[manic wolf]

Yesnt

[tender marten]

cant hear you over my desperado

[amber sundial]

unless the burster is like 5 miles away you shouldnt shoot it

[dim moth]

yeah

[manic wolf]

If tis close, yeah, gun away, if its not, shoot it

[dim moth]

or you can just one shot it and nobody is going to push it

[amber sundial]

or its next to the smyker

[dim moth]

if it's next to a psyker always shoot it

[slender plinth]

if it's next to a tithe-head, always shoot it

[tender marten]

separate, isolate, detonate, that's how you do

[manic wolf]

Bonus points if you use a barrel near them to push them into the burster so they actually cant do anything about it

[amber sundial]

mega bonus points if it kills or ledges them

[manic wolf]

C-c-c-combo!!

[pallid quail]

need a clip of that happening with the ultrakill ui

[hazy vector]

wtf

i am doing maelstrom ahievement

and just disconnected

and when i rejoined i was dead???

[manic wolf]

You died before the server registered the DC

Happens sometimes

[amber sundial]

that or your bot got nuked the moment you left i guess

[manic wolf]

I thought dead bot was instantly replaced with a live player if the player DC'd, but the bot died after they were booted?

[sullen ridge]

do these little laurels before their names mean anything or is it part of this true level mod

[tribal forge]

Tell me your wisdom o' wizard of the shotgun. How do you achieve such power?

[rare stirrup]

It refers to the number before the icon, signifying that it's their havoc level

[dim moth]

shoot the enemy

[dim moth]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0067206-0f4d-47a3-ac89-fcd7a0bb54fe/shotgun-yeah-they-do-that Marksman, 15 MMF stacks, and Born Leader are your flex points if you want to put them somewhere else

[tribal forge]

Thank you 😄

[rotund agate]

was just in a match with 2 zealots (one of whom spammed brauto at everything) and a EK staff psyker.

the psyker at one point aggro'd a DH with EK, and claimed it was the soulburn DoT spreading via wildfire that did it, and as I pointed it out, the psyker responded with something along the lines of, "typical hivescum behavior, throwing accusations at their betters."

later, the brauto zealot ran right into another DH that was already glowing (supposedly to try rushing to revive the psyker), and when I mentioned that they could have just gone around it, the brauto zealot and the psyker both told me to shut the f up.

[dim moth]

Oh also I recommend Man-Stopper instead of No Respite as you will one shot just about anything worth shooting

And 2 shot them regardless

[bronze glade]

hate it when psykers set off the DH and they have KD

and the entire team takes a bunch of corruption bailing out their dumbass

just die like a man if you set off the DH fucker

[dim moth]

not me

[rotund agate]

the psyker died to the DH

[dim moth]

I be huffing stimm crates

nurgle can't touch me

[bronze glade]

oh good

[dim moth]

my bloodstream is far too toxic for any pathogen to survive

[tender marten]

heretical corruption is no match for the corruption of chemical addiction

its medicinal heroin, i swear

[amber sundial]

you see, if even i cant survive these drugs how are the diseases going to.

[tender marten]

there's no blood left in this drug stream!

[astral canyon]

is that fucking pizza time????

[manic wolf]

Arent we supposed to be killing Nurgle cults and not joining them?

[tribal forge]

That's how you do it. You kill the Nurgle Cult in your blood stream

[keen timber]

wait is the kantrael/acctran shotgun bad now?

it used to be by far the best one

[astral canyon]

the slug shotgun is the best one now

[manic wolf]

Instructions unclear, ruined my kidneys with penicillin

[keen timber]

it used to be mid as fuck

[tribal forge]

You did it. You saved your Kidneys from chaos

[dim moth]

yeah when it was bugged and the fire used to go through fucking walls

and then that got fixed and it was instantly dogshit

and has remained so ever since

[amber sundial]

i love agri combat shotgun on vet its so silly with mmf

[dim moth]

turns out that the infinite cleave gimmick weapon

is kinda bad when its one gimmick is gone!

[keen timber]

even without infinite cleave the primary fire was solid

[dim moth]

no

lol

[keen timber]

the big fire blast was still banger

[rotund agate]

I guess it has a single niche now: the higher per-shot damage?

[dim moth]

it always had the worst primary fire of all 3 shotguns

[manic wolf]

Imagine the utopia we'd live in if Purgatus got the same treatment

[dim moth]

lowest damage if you are in any situation other than point blank non-crit bodyshot

[keen timber]

which has the highest primary fire damage? slug

[dim moth]

both agri and zarona will outdamage it on a crit, over distance, or if more than like 3 pellets are headshots

[dim moth]

zarona

[keen timber]

which is slug or duckbill

[amber sundial]

agri is slug

[dim moth]

agri is slug, zarona is duckbill

[keen timber]

hmm

[dim moth]

https://fximgur.com/a/evqaL1b zarona into improbably long line of auric maulers

[keen timber]

i can work with this

[manic wolf]

Removes infinite cleave from fire shotgun > Manstopper still exists

[astral canyon]

i can work without this

[amber sundial]

hey now why would we give infinite cleave on command when you're not gambling?

[dim moth]

p sure at the time of the new combat shotguns the talent tree rework hadn't happened

so vet's maximum theoretical crit chance was like 35%

aka just deadshot+base crit

lol

[stiff radish]

So how does this new crowbar work exactly?

I assume the blunt end is for crowds and the "sharp" end is for armored foes?

[manic wolf]

Nah, it was defianately after the first (second) Vet talent rework

Between the new ones and the last set

[amber sundial]

sharp is single target with mega stagger on heavies

[bronze glade]

yes

[amber sundial]

can pull a crusher out of a overhead

[low harbor]

a weapon to surpass metal gear
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1449874864222507220/192D221.MP4?ex=69407cb1&is=693f2b31&hm=88b29244ffae3c14659505eef2c6152f7ee02907fa873aa92446124d506b4eef&

[astral canyon]

more or less pretty much

[stiff radish]

I had a feeling

[limber cradle]

They just dissappear lmfao

[astral canyon]

hi bath

[stiff radish]

But confirmation is appreciated

[dim moth]

p sure it's actually a stagger override so it will always stagger them

and ignores all but complete immunity to stagger

[amber sundial]

[dim moth]

free opportunist value

[bronze glade]

too bad the crowbar sucks at everything else

[dim moth]

hey I've used gimmick weapons for less (shock maul)

[astral canyon]

vid doesnt load

[manic wolf]

Shock maul (hot take) is better en Crowbar

[amber sundial]

drops stimm crate
walks up to horde
throws pocket toxin blinder into horde
horde dies

[dim moth]

shame scum doesn't have the shock maul then huh

[manic wolf]

It uhh.. yes, it kinda is

[low harbor]

and stim crate comes back in <8s

[bronze glade]

at least smaul can horde clear lol

[manic wolf]

And delete void shields

[bronze glade]

yeah

[dim moth]

yeah it's great I've been playing stimm crate like this since the class dropped

[low harbor]

wat melee for this

shiv?

[dim moth]

yeah shivs

[bronze glade]

too bad the tox doesn't count as close range kill

for the purposes of blinder regen

[dim moth]

I use crate+dependency to have crazy uptime on 100% crit chance

[bronze glade]

would be insane if it was tho

[dim moth]

to abuse hyper critical and shiv finesse modifier

tox blinders to get crate back fast

[low harbor]

shiv + boltpistol?

[dim moth]

I use needle pistol most of the time but yeah bolt pistol' good too

[low harbor]

if it cud this is literal perpetual machine tier op

[manic wolf]

What is a very funny combo with Shock Maul is that one Smite node that made heavy attacks shock enemies, Idk if its still a thing in the new Psyker tree, but it was a funny meme before and the only socially acceptable use for Smite 😄

[dim moth]

Or well "good" in the sense that it makes my grenades better

As good as bolt pistol can aspire to be

[bronze glade]

yeah

[tender marten]

ive heard enough. buff tox blinders

[radiant swift]

https://i.redd.it/yn7lizvdc07g1.gif

[astral canyon]

tlinders

[tender marten]

tinders

[icy scaffold]

I love tox blinders

[icy scaffold]

Change it to apply six stacks so you can kill crushers with like 2-3

[low harbor]

wait
shiv mk1 light atk has 4 cleave???

[carmine solar]

is hyperviolence worth taking on a ranged build? like would i really be doing enough damage with a tacaxe to maximize off of it in hordes during desperado downtime?

[bronze glade]

it can cleave 2-3 bruisers iirc

[trim wind]

melee as ranged build, in this economy?

[carmine solar]

well hyperviolence and hypercritical dont apply to ranged right?

i was just wondering if it would be faster horde clearing with a tacaxe when i dont have desperado off cooldown

[balmy radish]

no more saw and needler for me

[wind crane]

anything you guys disagree with?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kKwJ6xEp4Q

[trim wind]

im not sure why you're switching to melee when desperado is on cd

[dense hollow]

if ur ranged build isn't running pickpocket then i guess but otherwise you pulling out your melee weapon on a desperado build is already losing dps

[limber cradle]

The fact that you're posting it here

[manic wolf]

Yeah, watching it in the first place

[dim moth]

dual autopistols is immediately a standout weapon choice considering it's pretty objectively inferior to infantry autogun

and also that it's a TANNER VIDEO

[fallen arrow]

Question: for rampage builds using hyper crit, would it be best to run the stimm with the extra crit chance?

[limber cradle]

"Yes I would like to ragebait chat"

[wind crane]

i also like infantry autogun more

[dim moth]

he didn't take burst of energy xd

[manic wolf]

Use Hyperviolence instead

[dim moth]

that's two immediate obvious build mistakes for "meta"

[fallen arrow]

Im using both

[carmine solar]

i run pickpocket and like 99% of missions i avoid ammo pickups so my team can take them. i rarely use melee, its just in a rare situation where i am low on ammo with no specialists or elites to be seen in a big horde with my desperado on cooldown. its just for that specific scenario

[manic wolf]

Eww

[hazy vector]

anyone made a good build with chsword?

[trim wind]

dont think it's really worth it

[fallen arrow]

I just wanted to see how it worked out, feels about the same as normal tbh

[manic wolf]

I have a decent setup with Chainsword yesh, but im not logged in atm

[tender marten]

dont question, just abuse

[charred bronze]

Faster rof guarantees vulture dodge uptime? More mobility? I prefer the iag now too though

[carmine solar]

yeah the fact that im saying it now and also saying a rare situation is making me think its not worth it xd

[dense hollow]

hyper violence is not worth it anyhow in a desperado build because your melee weapon is kinda bad

you don't do a lot of overkill damage to do much with HV

even with brumentum

[carmine solar]

idk ive just seen a khandones build where he takes it on a ranged build but i never thought it would actually be worth it so i was just wondering

[tender marten]

the problem is almost everything toward vulture is kinda terrible, or literally useless to ranged

day idk 10 maybe of me asking that ramping backstabs be turned into a ranged damage node

[versed spruce]

[Looks at channel name]
yeah

Someone, call Hank to ban this guy

[limber cradle]

The entire path to vultures feels like tax for the 1s damage immunity or whatever the wording is

[tender marten]

hold on im calling the president of denmark

they will have hanks number for sure

[limber cradle]

Why do i give a fuck about melee swing speed from stamina on my gun build

[zealous ravine]

waaa vid don worky

oh chat was scrolled high up fo some reason

[ripe seal]

it makes sense for the ranged tree to have a few stuff th at'd be useful in a melee build but desperado needs itthe least

[tender marten]

yeah i think it might be a deliberate decision to make vultures less appealing because of that one ridiculous node

[carmine solar]

like the placement of hypercritical is so terrible, especially for it to not apply to ranged damage

[tender marten]

but also its still really awful lmao

[charred bronze]

It would be nice if you ever had to take out your melee, I guess.

[hazy vector]

unload, pickpocket, ammo jack, moving target all useful

[tender marten]

oh wait thats right

i totally forgot about the shuffle

[zealous ravine]

yeah we can remove pickpocket cause its not useful trust me

[limber cradle]

Extra ammo, baby blaze away, or swing speed on stamina for hypercrit to simply not work with guns is funny

[dim moth]

Okay only 3 like big things I can immediately takeaway from this as "these are objectively bad decisions for trying to be optimal"

[tender marten]

i still think ammojack is shit but w/e

[dim moth]

Dual Autopistols over Infantry Autogun

No Burst of Energy

and Maxed Out Stimms on the keystone

[limber cradle]

Pickpocket is the one node above vultures I care about

[versed spruce]

ermmm le crutch talent is calling /j

[dim moth]

4 stacks is not worth the hassle of the downtime, and being forced to run a worse stimm

[carmine solar]

if they literally just swapped hypercritical and sweet spots location on the talent tree i would be alot less bothered

[tender marten]

if you could unload > pickpocket | hypercritical | sweet spot for pathing that would be nice

[charred bronze]

I read the description of unload on the detailed doc on steam, and if I'm understanding it correctly, it a 20% damage boost after you empty a magazine?

What am I not understanding

[dim moth]

Curios are Not how I would build them but curios are very personal preference so whatever

[dense hollow]

chem dependancy in the first place on a desperado build is kinda cringe when you can use 1 point for ranged dmg, ranged crit and movespeed and then you can spend an extra point on vulture's dodge if you want

chem dependancy has to spend 3 points

in the keystone and 2 other talent nodes

[dim moth]

yaeh but for the sake of cooldown reduction I'd say a choice worth making tbh

[low harbor]

does it still not work

[dim moth]

every little bit counts to spam desperado as much as humanly possible

[ripe seal]

it should be 2% damage on reload, that adds anoher 2% bonus as you keep shooting so based on how the math works, you should max out at 22% damage for the last few bullets in the mag

[limber cradle]

Sweet spot ain't even good unless you run specifically the Vraks ime

[ripe seal]

than once you reload it resets back to 2% and has to build back up

[zealous ravine]

discord is broky

[dim moth]

yeah sweet spot is very ewapon specific

specific to the good guns but still

[final temple]

the complete right column on that side is mostly melee. But I agree, it should switch places with the sweet spot

[low harbor]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17359633116788345427/FF0E105AA6A689190F82BA00B420B6920E5BAA09/ how abt now

[zealous ravine]

naw

[carmine solar]

im a vraks viscount

[zealous ravine]

on browser it works fine

[limber cradle]

i think the fuck not auric maelstrom

[low harbor]

ok restart ur discord or smth idk

[radiant swift]

what do you run on the Zarona here?

[bronze glade]

DS over dumdum

[tender marten]

2% guaranteed, a futher 2% for every 10% of magazine spent in a seven second window.

If you gun has ten shots, it would be 2% then 4% then 8% etc. after every shot. Using something like a double-barrel that only has two shots after a reload, your first shot would be 2% then your second shot would be 12% because two down to one is 50% of your 'magazine'.

[carmine solar]

braced not infantry

[tender marten]

So it heavily favours weapons with a limited capacity or fast fire rate.

[bronze glade]

ngl i forgot therer was a vraks braced

might as well not exist

[carmine solar]

i enjoy it 😄

[limber cradle]

I do not like brautos but if you're happy I'm happy

[carmine solar]

im not gonna sit and act like its the best option but i have a lot of fun with it

ik there is better fs

[ripe seal]

that's kinda what I figured based on how its written, you would only get that last 2% damage buff once your mag was empty but if its empty, youcan't take advantage of that he last 2% of extra damage

[tender marten]

yea the dakka on braced graia is just a dopamine machine for me

[bronze glade]

i really like agri brauto but the others are.... yeesh

[charred bronze]

Brauto has markedly slower ttk than dap or iag

[limber cradle]

I like the .45s lmfao, I'm not saying there's better, I'm just saying I don't like the brauto

[bronze glade]

at least agri gets a fuckton of cleave

[sullen ridge]

42% crit rate

is kinda wack

idk where it came from

[carmine solar]

i ran with DAP basically my whole time so im giving braced a try cuz i know its still a decent option but not complete meta (while i run a meta ass build anyways)

[tender marten]

but it staggers/suppresses like fucken crazy and their ammo reserve is insane

esp. the graia at 700

[bronze glade]

try agri brauto

it's pretty good on HIV

[ripe seal]

i never used the agri braced, I only ever used the one with the most ammo and boosted fire rate on brace

[sullen ridge]

they hate us

[tender marten]

ye graia, shit is my faaaaaave

[hazy vector]

ok you know what

[versed spruce]

I use it as a suppression stick on my melee build xd

The very few times I trust it with killing something, more often than not it disappoints me

[patent bone]

Damn Tithe Rats!!

[tender marten]

i used to go big on the agri brauto back before the talent trees got added in, i'd run it on zealot with stripped down

[hazy vector]

hot take, but chsword is pretty good on rampage hs

[ripe seal]

i would be more ok trying it on scum because of the unlimited easy ammo regen but i feell ike in that case I'd rather the ammo and fire rate for spam

[bronze glade]

it's good on a desperado build

[dim moth]

that team is likely looking for a psyker beacuse they can't play without bubble

happens a lot in mid havocs

[charred bronze]

I hated brauto when I tried it. Iag and dap have almost as much reserve, and it doesn't matter that much with pickpocket anyway

[tender marten]

i just dont like the chords sadly, moveset makes me yuck

[sullen ridge]

hive scum should be their bubble

[carmine solar]

agri is nice i just dont like the mag size and fire rate personally, vraks is a nice middle ground between the damage of the agri and the fire rate of the graia while having a huge mag size. agri pumps damage tho fs i was melting maulers and reapers with it

[dim moth]

they always look for chorus+bubble before accepting anything else

[versed spruce]

~~Few ranged weapons aren't ~~

[dim moth]

because they're crutches for bad play

[limber cradle]

You can force basically any melee to be good with rampage I'm ngl

[bronze glade]

i think people are vastly underestimating how much 3 cleave can do on desperado

oh well

[hazy vector]

because you can compensate cleave with those 2 talents

[dim moth]

especially because brautos have multiple strength blessings right?

[sullen ridge]

crit desperado hive scum feels genuinely unfair and i think stubbies are h40 viable BUT NOONE TRUSTS A HIVE SCUM

[bronze glade]

i think there's just one

[bronze glade]

wat

[dim moth]

damn only deathspitter

deathspitter fire frenzy is still a wild combo tho

[bronze glade]

yeah

and with how massive the mag size is

no reason to run speedload

imo

[dim moth]

I know because I run that on glugger with the achlys twink

[hazy vector]

dclaw

Also bonesaw is not good

[hazy vector]

what wat

[dim moth]

and it annihilates entire mixed hordes in like 20 bullets xd

weak gun btw

[bronze glade]

how do talents compensate for low cleave

[hazy vector]

.... by literally adding cleave?

[dim moth]

I hate that scums cleave talents are all seperate

[limber cradle]

1. I said basically any
2. You can defo force dclaw into viability with it
3. Bonesaw is very good when you actually build for it

[bronze glade]

you ain't reaching 3 cleave

[dim moth]

Gimme a 100% cleave node

bastards

[ripe seal]

bonesaw worked alot better in general once you figure out the combos, going light heavy spam did so much to make it feel good even on a chem build without any real melee buffs

[dim moth]

Spoiled by psyker warp splitting

[radiant swift]

dwarf is talking about melee

[bronze glade]

why the fuck is he talking about melee when we're talking about guns lmfao

[radiant swift]

2 seperate conversations where happening then got intermixed

[dim moth]

also gun cleave node too they deserve it

[radiant swift]

TRUE

[bronze glade]

because we need desp to be even more op...

[sullen ridge]

society if hive scum perks synergized in an intuitive manner

[bronze glade]

when it's already basically gunker 2.0

[carmine solar]

bonesaw and crowbar gives me hope they try more weapons with creative dual modes like these. bonesaw is so much fucking fun in a melee tox build

[dim moth]

yeah psyker gets buffed

[astral canyon]

imagine if we had hive scum back during the rations event with infinite cleave on ranged

[dim moth]

I'd like the bonesaw a lot more if its attack trajectories and sound design weren't so SHIT

why is it ALL OVERHEADS

why does it make such a pitiful little noise

The sound I make rubbing a fucking pencil against a desk

[sturdy linden]

It's like 2 overheads 2 vanguards on lights, and 1 strikedown 1 vanguard on heavies, but go off

[carmine solar]

sound design cuz use some work for sure but nothing matches the sound and feel of hitting a crusher in the head with a heavy

[dim moth]

one of those vanguard lights is still an overhead

it is 3 overheads, 1 side sweep for lights

[sturdy linden]

It sweeps and hits multiple enemies, good enough for me

[dim moth]

I'm not talking damage profile obv

[ripe seal]

dclaw is simple but decently effective, with how it got buffed you can probably use parry to deal with the heavier armored targets, though as long as you're not running the basic one with all cleaving heavies, you'll probably od fine into armor

[dim moth]

Mk VII dclaw kinda goated

Actually somewhat decent melee on everyone imo

[clever wren]

Cleaving Bonesaw Mk will be added to generate hype for a later patch

[dim moth]

hell yeah

[ripe seal]

i forget the difference besides one is heavy-light chain for horde clear, and the other is lgiht heavy, but also because I forget what changes they made to the claws recently

[sturdy linden]

They would unironically have to nerf the damage for that

[ripe seal]

i know they did something sorta big to them to make the versions more different ot each other

[dim moth]

Mk VII is the heavy-light one but tbh I just spam lights xd

has stab push attack into overhead strikedown light

happens after parry too

[carmine solar]

yeah i definitely wont lie the horde clear combo with it does not feel good at all to me tbh

[bronze glade]

the horde clear combo? you mean just L L L L L L L L?

[carmine solar]

i do one of the heavy light chains. is it better to just m1 spam?

[bronze glade]

yeah

the heavies are insanely slow

against trash, better to focus on stacking tox up asap

[carmine solar]

that makes sense. i wish it wasnt m1 spam tho i like having a nice heavy light chain to spam instead 😠

[tight musk]

I throw in some push attacks.

[bronze glade]

based on the animations you would think the heavy/light combo is pretty good

but nah

peak fatshart design

[random shuttle]

bingus

[hazy vector]

why the fuck you are talking about guns when we were tlaking about melee

the hggell s wrong with you

[dim moth]

I do at least one heavy to get the melee kill for shock and awe

[patent bone]

Dual akimbos are amazing

[hazy vector]

we were discussing chsword

[carmine solar]

why the fuck are you talking about him talking about guns when we were talking about melee when we were talking about guns

[patent bone]

Auto pistol or stubbies? Which one is best?

[astral canyon]

Why the fuck are you talking

[hazy vector]

why the fuck are you talking about him talking about him talking about guns when we were talking about melee when we were talking about guns

[carmine solar]

Why the fuck

[patent bone]

Why

[hazy vector]

no competition, pistol
I wish stubbies were good 🙁

[carmine solar]

ok so now you are gonna talk about me talking about you talking about him talking about guns when we were talking about melee when we were talking about guns? unbelievable dude

[patent bone]

Stubbies ARE good!
What're ya a Tithe-rat?!

[hazy vector]

Yes

[solar phoenix]

anyone got a link to a good pocket toxin & blackout nades build?

[bronze glade]

[dim moth]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d5fc2-56f8-401b-99a0-ee054340b580/100-crit-chance-poop-knife just pick nades instead of rocket and pocket toxin instead of extra blitz

easy

[hazy vector]

[low harbor]

diff purpose

[carmine solar]

love the name of that build. lowkey relatable

[solar phoenix]

this is missing a LOT of the talents that'd boost the pocket toxin damage

[solar phoenix]

doesn't even have bolt pistol with that one blessing

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tomato-tomato-mater-mato-catomato-gif-1820475763262864503

[solar phoenix]

also does anyone know if toxin kills count as ranged kills?

[bronze glade]

separate

[carmine solar]

i thought that was a bug that got fixed

or am i confusing it with something else

[radiant swift]

toxin kills from the needler got changed to something of that effect

unsure if it counts the tox spread from the alt fire

[keen timber]

ok i seriously feel like the fucking train mission needs to fuck right off into the sun

it feels so fucking common

[dim moth]

people frequently run it to farm XP

[keen timber]

im just qping

[radiant swift]

cuase they fucking made it the start of the new mission se

[keen timber]

but like

[dim moth]

and also yeah

it's a new story mission

so people are doing it

[keen timber]

aaaand my fov fixer isnt working for some reason

excellent

[carmine solar]

this is the closest thing i found for what ur looking for. i dont run toxin ranged builds so u should verify it urself obv https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08323cb-49b4-40b3-aa45-07b30c4a144c/infinite-needles-all-rounder-support

[solar phoenix]

hmmm not what I'm looking for

doesn't even have the pocket toxin talent

[manic wolf]

Turn off campaign QP in server settings from mission board

[solar phoenix]

much less a bolt pistol with lethal proximity & execution

[keen timber]

already did.

[carmine solar]

you know when you said pocket toxin i thought you meant pickpocket with toxin like the needle pistol 😭 mb i forgot pocket toxin is a talent

[manic wolf]

Did you swap character by any chance? Coz you gotta do it on each one. Though unlucky if so

[keen timber]

i dont think u do

it was already off on my vet

[manic wolf]

I had to when I swapped to Zealot the other day 🤷‍♂️

[stiff radish]

what's the difference between Rending and Finesse?

[radiant swift]

uh, alot

rending is armor pen more or less

finesse is crit/ws damage

[random shuttle]

One is a self-buff that modifies ADM of your attacks, other is a stat governing weakspot/crit damage for the most part.

[radiant swift]

without going into how fucky either calculation is

[stiff radish]

Oh

[fierce python]

Scum is actually just a pvp update

[stiff radish]

Kinda wish they called Finesse crit damage ngl

[random shuttle]

Well Finesse on some weapons also modifies attack speed

and its weakspot dmg too

[stiff radish]

Fair enough

[random shuttle]

so its like most stats a multi number tweaker.

[hazy vector]

AAAANd failing another no death maelstrom because idiot ally shot barrel which threw me on the edge, and of course they faile to rescue me

[dim moth]

yes finesse the weapon stat is crit+weakspot damage, and attack speed

[hazy vector]

anyway

[dim moth]

finesse on talent tree and blessings is just the former

[hazy vector]

How to play any other class after playing HS lol

everything so slow

[random shuttle]

if you need any help with game confuzzling, peculiar, strange systems, happy to help

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-demon-cat-i-have-approximate-knowledge-of-many-things-wise-wisdom-gif-4593239

[carmine solar]

i felt the same way til i realized i can make more than 1 mistake and not lose 70% of my hp for it or just straight up die on most of the other classes

[rotund agate]

does scum have a higher base movespeed than other classes, or is it just because of Fervor stims and the unique weapons...

[hazy vector]

Like holyt shit this is 8-th death in a ROW because of idiot teammates

[versed spruce]

It doesn't feel worth farming it anymore imo because they gutted the xp

[stiff radish]

I very much appreciate it

[hazy vector]

i think it is higher stamina

also why the hell HS resotres stamina during slide

[stiff radish]

I have the mentality of an Ogryn sometimes so the help is very appreciated

[hazy vector]

and no other class does

[carmine solar]

arbites and psyker can im p sure

[rotund agate]

very short stam regen delay

[hazy vector]

yeah, but why

[carmine solar]

well because

[hazy vector]

you can sprint infinitely with it

[carmine solar]

[radiant swift]

can you not do that with stamina regen curios on other classes

[rotund agate]

I guess HS is not intended to facetank as much as arby or even psyker, so HS needs to get stam quicker?

[dim moth]

psyker and arbites also do this, and vet can if you take the delay node on the talent tree

[carmine solar]

i dont think that matters much for the other classes other than HS cuz of slippery customer

[rotund agate]

I assume that just speeds up the stam regen, but doesn't shorten the delay before it starts...?

[radiant swift]

is more I remember it happening on other classes and run stam regen

[ripe seal]

i'm pretty sure it effects the speed stamina comes back once it regens, not the delaying before regen

[broken bear]

guys lets ask fatshark to fight uncle furuncle

[carmine solar]

also depends on the weapon ur holding too fs i dont get +stam on slide with a crusher on arbites but i get it with my shotgun

[ripe seal]

hmm, does dodge distance effect slide distance maybe?

[broken bear]

i think its just weapon dependent

[broken bear]

pre sure its ur velocity

idk tho

[dim moth]

dodging further does not affect dodge duration ergo you are moving faster, and thus yes slide further

sliding is based on how quick your character is moving

[carmine solar]

there is a max speed to sliding tho right? ill dodge off a ledge and slide after and its like my velocity hit a brick wall

[ripe seal]

nimble effects both duration and distance so that makes sense

[final temple]

Nimble speeds you up more than a regular dodge so your slide should have more momentum.

important tho: the dodge distance itself is affected by your weapon

and in turn by your weapon’s mobility stat

so for max slideage you want a weapon with good dodges, max mobility on it and nimble

[radiant swift]

knife/taxe

[final temple]

… which is also how you yeet yourself the next hive over.

[astral canyon]

Nope i can confirm this is true

They dont fucking despawn

[winter tusk]

Not that part

[astral canyon]

Oh

Anyways i finally reached level 30 on scum

[manic wolf]

Welcome to the Conclave

[hazy vector]

Hmm, interesting, weapon spec double barrel power sword vet can compete with desperado hs for damage

[charred oriole]

I think the first dwarf in this video is the same voice as the male outlaw
https://youtube.com/shorts/i0mSCfX0DXg?si=EECXDbAap3eTJhQq

[random shuttle]

Ah yes

Uprising Gaming

[north saddle]

I recently played heresy with a friend of mine who returned to the game. ...

I almost fell asleep.

[carmine solar]

Are u also Harry-DuBois the psyker

[exotic temple]

You gotta do the the p attack heavy light heavy light spam

For crowd clear

[lapis raft]

adjusted how i determine if im in combat or not a bit, and this is very nice to see :d

[reef skiff]

Harry would obviously be an arbitrator

[sharp dune]

Why does your portrait show a different character than the one you are playing?

[candid flint]

647 dodge game, 45% float like a butterfly uptime

riposte blessing on shivs 62% uptime

you'd think they'd be the same value

[lapis raft]

well one is 6 seconds and one 3 so they obviously cant be right

you need to actually dodge something for them to proc and not just spam dodge

[candid flint]

well aware of that

[candid flint]

this, i didnt take into account

[random shuttle]

I switched just before so the port didnt load up

[random shuttle]

nah

My psyker name is BaseusChaddius

[versed spruce]

Damn, nice lethal prox uptime

[hasty agate]

And what difficulty is this?

Nvm I see

[patent bone]

https://youtu.be/PsvDFFqM_8M?si=4RdTqnZSAbLP0jjV

[astral canyon]

Does anyone have a gif of using the boom bringer

[dim moth]

okay you know what I think you had a point

[solar phoenix]

the problem I'm having is a lot of types of kills don't help refresh blackout grenades

having to get a good melee weapon ready that does normal killing, not bleed, chem, etc

[dim moth]

this felt good to run

[solar phoenix]

but lacking diamantine

[dim moth]

only a slight adjustment really

[solar phoenix]

yeah, I'm running something pretty close to that, as I tweak it

you think heavy sword is good to run with this?

to refresh the nades fast

I'm not running the chem toxin on crit and crit boosting talents atm

also am running in your face

pretty sure it boosts the damage when ranged weapon is out

keep in mind that a bolt pistol with lethan proximity and execution is a must

gonna run heavy sword to get lots of regular kills on masses of trash enemies

so I refresh grenades fast

[dim moth]

what the fuck

that's so scuffed lmao

[drifting heron]

Yeah perks just do that

[solar phoenix]

yep

[drifting heron]

Works the same way on other dots iirc

And with assail

Unless they fixed it

[dim moth]

I don't think it's worth it despite because like hell am I holding this glorified paperweight of a gun in my hands any longer than it takes to shoot that flamer with it

[solar phoenix]

which is the good heavy sword for horizontal heavy attacks again?

mk IX?

[dim moth]

Mk IX yeah

[drifting heron]

I hate all the heavy sword movesets

Which is sad because its good

[lost ravine]

heavy sword good? since when?

[solar phoenix]

what's the difference between bolt pistol marks?

[lost ravine]

what the flip

[solar phoenix]

trying to decide which to use for it

[lost ravine]

explodey vs direct

[solar phoenix]

It's great for killing trash mobs en masse

which is what I need

to regen the nades

[lost ravine]

what about crushers

[solar phoenix]

obviously if you use it you need a different tool for those

[amber sundial]

heavy sword good since rampage

[solar phoenix]

bolt pistol will be mine

[amber sundial]

the special attack has "decent" rending iirc?

[solar phoenix]

and the blackout nades I've given massive toxin and buffs to

which is wack

but that part seems to be working

[drifting heron]

Rending from rampage/stim and Hyperviolence damage

[solar phoenix]

and yeah def brining rampage

not sure I got the points for all of that though. Def the stim

working on build

which bolt pistol mark is best against crushers?

not a big bolt pistol user

[amber sundial]

the one with better dmg

since the one with worse just has larger AoE or whatever

[dim moth]

melee weapon

neither are good into them really

[solar phoenix]

would the bolt pistol's AOE effect the nade aoe with lethal proximity? or just the blessing itself

[dim moth]

veteran specifically can make them one shot crushers because veterans talent tree just does funny things to gun damage

[amber sundial]

it does affect the grenades

same with another class with bolt pistol and grenades

[solar phoenix]

the mark or just the blessing

[amber sundial]

blessing

[solar phoenix]

okay

[amber sundial]

the mark just makes the innate explosion better

[solar phoenix]

gotcha

[novel oracle]

since always

people just care too much about a weapons ability to obliterate 1 specific enemy in the game

[dim moth]

yeah that is very real

[novel oracle]

scum just has the ability to significantly mitigate that weakness and make its strengths even stronger

[dim moth]

being bad into crushers SUCKS but every weapon that is bad into them can kill them if pressed

except for like

chainsword

[amber sundial]

how dare my melee weapon not obliterate every single enemy in the game with 0 downside without the assisstance of ANYTHING else in my kit??

[dim moth]

that thing can't kill carapace even if pressed

hsword, and dclaw def can tho

[amber sundial]

dclaw on its way to parry everything to death

[dim moth]

very real

[amber sundial]

oh yea, hows the parry dmg profile on dclaw compared to dueling

[novel oracle]

like
heavy sword is a weapon with
high first target damage
deathblow (brutal momentum)
decently high cleave
and headtaker at 40% instead of 25%

[solar phoenix]

does anyone know if the perks on weapons would effect the damage the grenades/dots do? I assume not but you never know

like extra carapace damage

[novel oracle]

perks on your held weapon increases all outgoing damage while theyre being held

if you swap, it changes to the perks on that weapon

[solar phoenix]

gotcha

[haughty trout]

It just sucks that as you go up in difficulty, the ability to deal with armor quickly and efficiently becomes more and more important. Not that you need your melee to be THE solution, but it feels real bad to be plinking away at them slowly.

[dim moth]

I've used this thing as a sidearm to gun vet since havoc launched xd

thing takes like zero investment to be a crazy horde clearing melee

[novel oracle]

yeah

[dim moth]

only class that has it that I don't like using it on is psyker

[novel oracle]

chainsword does that specifically better but requires crit investment

[dim moth]

they just don't have the outside tools to help kill carapace acceptably

[novel oracle]

but heavy sword just says "ok but deathblow"

[dim moth]

zealot can just fury of the faithful lmao

veteran can just krak, or shoot them

or abuse rending to just kill them anyways

scum well...hyper violence is a talent in the game

[neon fern]

hsword fotf is so good

[novel oracle]

whoops hyper violence does in fact exist

[haughty trout]

Is there an accepted best mark, like ds4 was, or is it a bit more fluid with hsword?

[dim moth]

I think IX and VI are the good ones?

IX is easier to use

[haughty trout]

Haven't touched it in a minute, will try those out.

[calm aurora]

Mk9 has the better lights. But its h2 does less dmg than h1.

[sullen ridge]

😭

hive scum prejudice

[calm aurora]

Mk7 and mk6 have worse lights but better heavies

[near vapor]

put on the gold titles

[sullen ridge]

i refuse to dequip reject

[molten shale]

Poxbreaker will still get you declined too

[calm aurora]

Havoc forged too

True survivor maybe not

[candid flint]

-1118 second cool down is a bit excessive on stim ult, dont you think

[novel oracle]

this is due to the slander campaign against scum

[narrow dagger]

havoc experience

[novel oracle]

10 billion more psykers in my havoc games please

[sullen ridge]

uhhhh uhhh more force bubbles please uhhhh uh

bitch we're the force bubble!!!!

[novel oracle]

erm... are you a zealot?? with NO BOOK???

why do you want us to lose??

[haughty trout]

I assume Headtaker+Deathblow is kinda the standard on hsword?

[novel oracle]

yes

[near vapor]

I took off True Survivor after having it equiped for so long

[narrow dagger]

man whats with havoc anyways im 33 all the requests i got is like havoc 20ish players. when i request i got declined. idk man poxbreaker is a bad title?

[neon fern]

poxbreaker is the best title

don't listen to the haters

[bronze glade]

ASS is the best title

[novel oracle]

im so glad they gave us the atoman remorae vanguard title so i never have to worry about the penance title prejudices anymore

[haughty trout]

Too bad, I feel like the mods on hsword are just a bit different than others.

[near vapor]

maybe true survivor is the more telling title but honestly its probably just the class...

ganger prejudice..

[calm aurora]

What is that?

[narrow dagger]

i hate survivors man ultimate bubble

[neon fern]

tester titler

[haughty trout]

I mean, but what if you got True Survivor in the early days of havoc? Does it even mean anything? 😛

[novel oracle]

title for people stuck in malice

[near vapor]

yea

[neon fern]

true surv doesn't mean much

cuz there was a period where it was extremely cheeseable

[narrow dagger]

with other classes still same btw

insta no

[brittle sierra]

I just use true survivor the same way people use fake degrees on their resumes

[novel oracle]

someone in the comment section of one of vamps videos when he was wearing the remorae title was saying he bet he doesnt even have havoc forged or poxbreaker, he isnt good enough

[neon fern]

poxbreaker iz just coole

[novel oracle]

the last 5 videos on the account were havoc 40s

on scum

[neon fern]

title don't mean anything yer

you'll see true suvr and havoc forged fold in auric

like when i was running the event it was commonplace

[neon fern]

flashiest title down first

can't even duel a spawn

[haughty trout]

Would have been cool to have to earn titles on each class.

[narrow dagger]

idk man poxbreakers never surprise

[calm aurora]

You forgot the mandatory "sus, there's more enemies in my h40"

[neon fern]

i just like it

[near vapor]

legit took me nearly an hour before I even got accepted to a lobby as scum..

[neon fern]

it means u killed good

[calm aurora]

Just 1M

[narrow dagger]

it means 1k+ hours

[neon fern]

just 1m....

it means u have at least a lot of time played

[novel oracle]

Spoken like a true boomer

[haughty trout]

Poxbreakers have always been a 50/50 for me, just like people with like 1k+ true level.

[novel oracle]

So far 80% of the time im instantly accepted into a 40 as ranged scum

[haughty trout]

Sometimes they're literal gods, and others they seem barely capable of pressing buttons.

[calm aurora]

Where's my frame for 2M?

[dim moth]

the book zealots actively sabotaging games by just being book bots that provide no other value be like

[calm aurora]

Your experience is not theirs

[near vapor]

I got accepted as a melee scum before

[neon fern]

i'd love poxbreaker 2,3,4 or something

[novel oracle]

Ik it's just weird
Some days it takes ages other days its instant

[solar phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0983bc2-f694-4160-a4ab-57b4c2212efa/pocket-toxin

it is done. on gameslantern anyway, lacking diamantine to finish building it myself

[calm aurora]

I think it's easier once you're h40

[solar phoenix]

unsure if i need hyperviolence tho

[calm aurora]

It's a small community

Like the one we had in OCE for histg

[novel oracle]

You really really want it for hsword

[neon fern]

cole if u have h40 u will literally be accepted in every lobby at least in eu

[near vapor]

I stack hyper crit and hyper vio on my rampage build

[dim moth]

okay but you're a known GOD GAMER

[solar phoenix]

hm, will edit. Thought heavy sword was good enough to oneshot most non carapace/unyielding

[hasty agate]

Are we taking hc+hv on shivs?

[calm aurora]

Tranner said no

[near vapor]

also its havoc payday time

[novel oracle]

OK but do people like know know me via in game characters

[dim moth]

probably not lol

[neon fern]

they just see H40 that's enough for them

[novel oracle]

My steam is literally a printer too
The only character you could connect to me is my vet named cole

[solar phoenix]

tossed hive city brawler for it as much as it pains me

not sure what else would be good to remove

maybe toxin mania?

[neon fern]

i remember when i got 2 h40 on first 2 seaons i'd stare at the party finder and most mfs would legit only let ppl with 10 level higher than their assignment in

[solar phoenix]

since the only toxic thing in the build is the pocket sand i mean blackout nade

[novel oracle]

Weakspot damage

[solar phoenix]

hm, you might be right

heavy sword is focued around mass headshots