hivescum-class

[keen timber]

just responding to this

[radiant swift]

the dual autos are very good as well, slighlty lower dps (afaik) then the vraks Infantry auto gun but more mobility

[keen timber]

dual pistols are good, but they're nowhere near as good as the autopistols for despacito

[sturdy linden]

Nah you can tap kill Snipers and bombers at like 40m even

[final temple]

gotcha.

[severe zephyr]

is the close combat not recomended for hs for a specific reason on late game havoc like character durability or something like that? i'm at the moment using some close distance uzis build but was wondering if this is viable or was just me being a skill issue

[brittle sierra]

Vraks 5 is just too cracked and is in another league to everything else

The finesse modifiers are too strong to not take advantage of

[candid flint]

dual pistols are good. dual uzis are not just 'ok' dual uzis/autos are very good

[severe zephyr]

i really enjoyed those dual uzis but i've encounter myself in too much danger situations while playing those on cqc

[candid flint]

good thing this is a cqc class

[final temple]

i would claim both shredder and autos trivialize the content on a desperado build.

much crit. very pew.

[keen timber]

ranged scum still wants to be close to enemies

because of how desperado works

[severe zephyr]

yeah i think i have some problems with crit stat number on my build and that's why it feels that weak, also didn't look for any build so probably was just me choosing wrong perks

[random shuttle]

Ranged Scum is just melee scum when you send tiny punches in shape of bullets.

[wind crane]

when havoc resets, do u have to start grinding from rank 0 again?

like this, will it say rank 0?

[toxic dagger]

No you drop 10 ranks max, down to the nearest ten

So 24 becomes 20

40 becomes 30

Etc

[zealous ravine]

oh the misery

[wind crane]

damn ok, ty

[keen timber]

wait so, do I need to hit 21 to avoid going back down to 10 if im at 19?

havoc is so poorly explained holy shit

[zealous ravine]

should just be 4 ranks and no derank lol

then the usual beating each a certain amount of times to unlock next like mission board

[main wagon]

I wish we could confirm kills on downed teammates

[astral canyon]

Should just derank you the full 40

Even if youre not at 40

So you can end up in the negatives

[main wagon]

Less enemies than uprising

[keen timber]

Less enemies than fucking sedition

[main wagon]

The true test is your will to progress through an empty map

[zealous ravine]

havoc rework someday hopefully.......

[keen timber]

i think havoc kinda desperately needs it

[limber cradle]

I dont get why Havoc 1-24 exists tbh

[keen timber]

it sounds like a bit of a fucking nightmare

[astral canyon]

Less enemies than powerwashing simulator

[keen timber]

i guess i go push for 21

[main wagon]

I used to tell people

[keen timber]

feels easier than aurics which is stupid

[main wagon]

"Havoc is not nearly as intimidating as you think"

Nowdays?

Im a fucking liar

[zealous ravine]

havoc is a nightmare and gets worse every time you wanna hit 40 again

[limber cradle]

Correct.

[limber cradle]

Apparently the original iterations of havoc were pretty easy which explains the people you see running around with havoc forged and true survivor who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.

[keen timber]

it's so crazy when u see trhat

[zealous ravine]

i might use the tertium 5 mod to play solo havoc 40 so i can ignore the rank system LOL

[main wagon]

THEY WERE

[zealous ravine]

wonder if tertium 5 can handle it imma try it

[dim moth]

yeah

[main wagon]

The only reason I didnt get True Surv the first week was because the team I ran with had a very weak link that they refused to cut for a while

[dim moth]

original havoc had literally one gimmick

and that was "basic ranged enemies instantly kill you"

[main wagon]

By the time they cut off the dead weight nobody wanted to play havoc anymore

[dim moth]

so everyone just spammed piss toughness

and got their true survivors without actually having to deal with hard modifiers

or twins

or captains

[limber cradle]

I only started playing havoc about a month and a half ago I think

And lemme tell you

How much I think some people should have those titles removed

[keen timber]

so many people need to have them removed yep

mfw i watch a guy with a title like auric mael survivor go down 3 times in a heresy mission

[zealous ravine]

i think you guys care too much about these titles

[limber cradle]

Fuck it havoc titles are now seasonal, re earn that bitch everytime havoc resets.

[dim moth]

I think it'd be a neat novelty if each havoc season had its own title for completing a hav 40, and for doing true survivor

[zealous ravine]

oh god no more seasonal slop

havoc having seasonal ranks is already awful lmao

[limber cradle]

You will grind the ranked season

[keen timber]

do the destiny thing

[zealous ravine]

nope

[limber cradle]

You will grind for ranked

[keen timber]

every few months u have to grind totally new weapons and curios

or else ur gear just does less dmagae

[zealous ravine]

even hearing the term season is guh

[zealous ravine]

oh god d2

[dim moth]

so called "new" weapons aka the weapons you were already using but they have a different drop source now

[zealous ravine]

they cant make content so they force you to power grind lmao

[obsidian crown]

Captains existed in early havocs. Just not twins

[limber cradle]

I only care about the titles because I am genuinely so sick of seeing people that have them that die in a minute and a half

[dim moth]

it's an MMO I'm like 90% certain every single MMO in history has done that

So..it's a quirk of the genre

[limber cradle]

Wearing full "pick me" regalia in the party finder

[dim moth]

Not bungie's incompetence

[zealous ravine]

are you REALLY a true survivor if you dont die within the first minute to an overhead though

it being the usual doesnt really fix it

[obsidian crown]

I’ve gotten true survivor like 8-9 times

Early and new havoc (when arbites patch dropped)

[dim moth]

It's not broken tho

Re-grinding gear is how MMOs ensure veteran players don't just steamroll new content releases

And actually have to engage in the systems and mechanics

[zealous ravine]

it doesnt really matter though

[obsidian crown]

Might try getting true survivor with HS when I get back

[dim moth]

Destiny's only unique feature in this case is that they are guns with unique statlines

[zealous ravine]

you just grind nothingburger content until you get good power level

[dim moth]

That uh...

Sometimes don't come back!

[limber cradle]

I genuinely don't understand why people play destiny of all things

[dim moth]

It was a pretty cool first person shooter MMO hybrid

[zealous ravine]

it has an eviscerator in it

[limber cradle]

There's no explanation you can give me either

[obsidian crown]

There wasn’t a lot of competition back then iirc

[zealous ravine]

the lament greatsword

you can also use glaives for melee

[dim moth]

Well no there was. It's just shooter MMOs are like niche upon niche

[urban gull]

It has hot alien women

[limber cradle]

It also ate a bunch of people's money destroying dlcs iirc

[obsidian crown]

And MMO’s have been dying for a while now

Look at ashes of creation

Looks fucking terrible

[dim moth]

I wouldn't say MMOs are dying as much as they are stagnating because there haven't been real competitors to the big 3 in fucking decades

[urban gull]

I like the alien BBW lady from Destiny 2 I would play it for her

[dim moth]

It's still just FFXIV, World of Warcraft, and then like

Guild Wars

[obsidian crown]

At the time, I think only warframe was its competitor, no?

[limber cradle]

WoW, Swtor, FFXIV?

[zealous ravine]

like this thing is pretty cool

[keen timber]

destinys gameplay feels fantastic. everything else is handled terribly and is fucking miserable

[limber cradle]

If you think so

[dim moth]

This thing was so cool, and then bam not useful for DPS phases in anything but like 2 raid fights

Banger for Crota tho

[obsidian crown]

I mean more so dying as in the sense that it’s a less desirable genre overall now. Like people just don’t have the time anymore to commit to a grindy mmo. Because it’s a generational thing.

[zealous ravine]

i use it in any raid i play the usual dps choices are quite lame

[final temple]

nope. not every MMO. look at GW2 which for the longest time only had sidegrades until ascended gear and even now that has been the plateau for years. The gear treadmill is an overdone carrot that fosters nothing but progression anxiety. I prefer games like Darktide where player skill is the actual progression.

[dim moth]

Yeah

[zealous ravine]

garden warfare 2!

[dim moth]

Well Darktide isn't an MMO so

[keen timber]

nor is destiny

[urban gull]

Darktide MMO now

[zealous ravine]

tide mmo

[urban gull]

Tide MMO now

[zealous ravine]

i think fatshark would explode if they tried to make an mmo

turned to ash

[obsidian crown]

Most people who were huge fans of MMO’s 10-20 years ago are now much older and have less time to commit to it generally. That’s why it’s not as desirable since they want to hop on a game they can play casually for an hour or two a day.

[dim moth]

hm

[zealous ravine]

just gotta keep waiting for an mmo with actually good gameplay

[final temple]

many ‘MMO’ don’t deserve that title anyways. for example Destiny 2. There is nothing ‘massive’ about it.

[keen timber]

yeah exactly

[limber cradle]

I quit playing mmos when I stopped being a teen with infinite freetime

[keen timber]

me when 6 player party moment

[urban gull]

40k Online, early signup bonus gives you extra ammo and a free tin of Corpse Starch

[zealous ravine]

when d2 keeps removing content it'll never be able to be called massive LOL

[obsidian crown]

And MMO’s generally are super super grindy if you want to keep up with endgame so that’s a turn off. Yes, there are exceptions like guild wars 2, etc. but that’s the norm

[keen timber]

miniature multiplayer online.

[obsidian crown]

Same

[limber cradle]

They were fine when I had no responsibilities and also did not have to sleep

[urban gull]

I play WoW for the Moonguard Goldshire Inn

[zealous ravine]

so eepy

[obsidian crown]

Last MMO I played was lost ark and while it was fun, it was either super grindy or very p2w

[final temple]

I see you.

[obsidian crown]

Either options aren’t healthy

[zealous ravine]

oh god lost ark was probably one of the worst games i've played

[keen timber]

lao was very grindy

[urban gull]

shit man I see me too

[obsidian crown]

The raids were fun as hell but

[keen timber]

if u wanted optimal progression u had to run so many alts

[obsidian crown]

It really was very predatory on FOMO

[zealous ravine]

never touching mmos again if they're anything like lost ark

[keen timber]

i met a ton of cool people thjere, some of whom i talk to today, and i had a ton of fun but yeah I'd not go back to it

[dim moth]

Yeah that's kinda what put me off of it when I tried it

[obsidian crown]

I quit around the second Akkan raid

[keen timber]

it's a pretty standard krmmo

[dim moth]

Got one character to endgame and MAN that bitch is slow

[keen timber]

i quit way before then

[dim moth]

Gameplay was good tho so I can see the appeal

[keen timber]

i joined on launch and quit before clown

[final temple]

Currently very popular Where Winds Meet is similar. a gacha game hiding behind some surprisingly solid souls like combat

[dim moth]

ANd it has systems to make alting easy

[zealous ravine]

they really gotta lock in then

[keen timber]

the gameplay was so peak

[limber cradle]

The only mmos i ever consistently played were like, SWTOR and WoW

[astral sundial]

Okay, time to make that bonesaw build i talked about wanting to make. What are the dumpy wumpies on the bonesaw and the toxpistol?

[obsidian crown]

Yeah either that or $

[zealous ravine]

mobility

[final temple]

saw: mobility
needler: anything BUT ammo or mobility

[dim moth]

And it's like the big thing with Lost Ark is the entire leveling experience is...

[obsidian crown]

It sucks yeah

[dim moth]

You do this boring ass basic bitch fantasy stuff all on the main continent

[zealous ravine]

i dumped stability on my needle pistol

[limber cradle]

Needler is one of the only weapons in game that can dump damage iirc

[obsidian crown]

The leveling system essentially is just upgrading gear score

[dim moth]

And then the very fucking second you actually get off that shitty continent and go out in the world suddenly the locales are more interesting, and plots actually seem kind of cool

[keen timber]

levelling in any mmo is pretty shit

[dim moth]

And then oopsie whoopsie you're high level no go do the grind content :)

[astral sundial]

KEKW. I took 2 weeks off work when lost ark came out. Was VERY fun in the beginning but lost its charm fast. Though sitting in queue for 5 hours was VERY obnoxious XD

[obsidian crown]

I was like 1700 ilvl when I quit

[dim moth]

Sorry if you started to like the exploration and questing fucko

[obsidian crown]

Glad I quit

[dim moth]

You grind now

[obsidian crown]

I was really put off because

[dim moth]

Slam dunked from the generic fantasy bullshit to a wuxia martial arts tournament, and Final Fantasy-esque magitech city

And then you finish them and...no more exploration for you

Great

[obsidian crown]

Tier 3 was highest content for a while then they added tier 4 that basically is a reset to everything you grinded for up to that point

So I said fuck that and quit

[zealous ravine]

gonna see how tertium 5 mod does against havoc lmao

[keen timber]

the islands were really cool

i remember the night moon market island because it had a fantastic vibe

[final temple]

I hated the massive amounts of RNG AND grind in LA. the game had stellar boss fights, fun pvp and some interesting exploration. but fml, I will not suffer through a months long grind AND rng AND having to do that on several alts.

[obsidian crown]

I only had 2 chars and both were around 1700

But thing is

I sold latest raid carries

Which netted me a lot of gold to keep up

[dim moth]

Though speaking of grindy MMOs that sucked me in for several hundred hours purely off gameplay

[radiant swift]

darktide

[dim moth]

Phantasy Star Online 2!

Banger game

[radiant swift]

oh

[obsidian crown]

Like the hardest raids like Thaemine 4 man carry - 100k gold each

[dim moth]

Should re-install it and that fuck ass bloatware open world mode nobody gives a shit about

[astral sundial]

So maybe stoppingpower?

Or should I drop Stability?

[radiant swift]

on the needler you can pretty safetly dump damage

[zealous ravine]

darktide mmo

[final temple]

it’s literally inconsequential what you drop as long as it isn’t ammo or mobility.

[obsidian crown]

My favorite mmo of all time was either jade dynasty (OG one) or guild wars 2

[astral sundial]

Dang, really?

[gray loom]

I kinda wish rampage didn't also hit you with the debuff of the 'chip damage turns you into a specalist in sight of an ogryns rock'

[zealous ravine]

this did not work well

[radiant swift]

it's a difference of like 2 on the inital impact

my stupid chud son 80% damage needler

60% damage gonna be like 31

[limber cradle]

Thats immediate damage iirc

Not tox damage

[radiant swift]

yep

[limber cradle]

Oh I see what you mean now, yeah

My b

[radiant swift]

I need to see what the .95 sprint speed feels like

[astral sundial]

Okay then. Time to make a build

[limber cradle]

I really liked wildstar for the aesthetics tbh

[dim moth]

such a theoretically cool game

died super fast and I cannot remember why

Oh wait because it wasn't F2P in a market of entirely F2P games

lmao

Right

[limber cradle]

Yup

[toxic dagger]

Yeah. Just four difficulties, with the first one being a little harder than Auric Maelstrom and the fourth one being the current H40 ball crushing factory. But nooooo

I really don't like the Havoc 'ladder' but Fatshark seems insistent on keeping it

[limber cradle]

I genuinely do not think Havoc should have diffs easier than Auric Mael, there's no point.

[dim moth]

havoc is so fun when you have already done a 40 and can just get accepted into fucking anything

instead of having to appeal to the insecurities of some dipshit who doesn't realize they're the weak link in every team

[limber cradle]

I almost think it only exists so they can justify the max rank being 40 cause haha 40k game

[zealous ravine]

terrible gamemode design will continue until morale improves i guess?

[zenith pagoda]

Should I take both hyper violence and hyper critical with taxe?

[dim moth]

at the very least can deranking be removed so I don't have to waste my time in party finder trying to mix n' match borders/insignias/titles

[zealous ravine]

the minimum fix would just be removing derank yeah

i'd instantly actually start playing havoc again

[dim moth]

I don't even care about my havoc rank I just want to play the damn game mode

[zealous ravine]

yea lol

[dim moth]

But deranking existing makes all the people who queue it paranoid about who they accept

[limber cradle]

On a desp or a rampage build

[zealous ravine]

wish it would just let me hop on h40 anytime without having to spend a day on grinding first

[dim moth]

Like there's some possible way to distinguish carried players and shit players just by looking at them in party finder

[zenith pagoda]

Neither, box build with high crit

[toxic dagger]

Yes derank is the biggest problem. If you had the ranks to climb but there wasn't any 'ladder anxiety' that would be mostly fine already. I've said as much, everyone else has said as much, everyone else's moms have said as much

But no dice

[limber cradle]

I don't care about my havoc rank but I also don't want to physically have to drag John Darktide through a mission

[zealous ravine]

ehhh someday they'll cave in and make it not miserable

maybe

[limber cradle]

I dont think I'd go HyperC on it tbh

[toxic dagger]

True, they caved on crafting so I guess they can cave on anything

[limber cradle]

Gonna have to path out of your way for it, Tac Axe does well enough with just HyperV and tox crits ime

[astral sundial]

Still need to get my "The show" top and helmet

[final temple]

if you can, yes. they complement each other more than possibly interfere.

[astral sundial]

:/

[toxic dagger]

But consider: still no solo mode or mission select

[urban gull]

SHOW GAMING SHOW GAMING

[limber cradle]

And thank god they caved on crafting

Holy fuck DT 1.0 crafting was bad

[astral sundial]

HELL YEAH! For the show!

[zealous ravine]

while that is true complaining about havoc is more fun than actually playing it

[zenith pagoda]

Is bromentum good on taxe in havoc? Or do I go raw strength?

[astral sundial]

We'll take back the carnival. Just you wait

[dim moth]

scum def has the damage for bromentum to be good in havocs

[urban gull]

YEEES

[limber cradle]

I do Bru/HT

[zenith pagoda]

I guess hyper critical has good synergy with bromentum?

[dim moth]

Yeah

[final temple]

Hyper Critical has generally good synergy with any ramping build because it has high value early on in a fight from neutral and then falls off when all your bonuses come online

[obsidian crown]

I think generally speaking, people wouldn’t mind playing havocs as much if there wasn’t a derank. The derank is what generates toxicity especially in pubs so it creates this dynamic where the “ok” or “bad” players roll the dice and hope to get carried. But when that doesn’t happen, trash talk ensues. Making a bad environment that turns off most casuals

[limber cradle]

HyperC vs HyperV is gonna be this classes eternal debate

I think

[rapid mango]

meanwhile, i know someone using both at the same time to good effect

[final temple]

it’s not really a debate, tbh. I was mistaken like many, thinking there is an anti-synergy. There isn’t really.

[obsidian crown]

Those already at havoc 40 are the ones having fun because they can experiment and run it as many times as they want with no risk of derank

[glacial gyro]

I give up

[rapid mango]

what one doesnt cover, the other one does, i dont see why people say you MUST PICK ONLY ONEEE

[dim moth]

And even that was a patch lmao

[limber cradle]

Whats your CL

[dim moth]

It's gonna be especially bad for scum I think with how many youtubers are saying the class is weak

[limber cradle]

I agree tbh

[dim moth]

They're wrong of course, but misinformation always did spread quicker

[rapid mango]

thats truelevel not clearance

[tall dome]

So... the glocks. Speedload and powderburn maybe?

[glacial gyro]

oh, clearance level, not character level

[obsidian crown]

That and also a lot of players are playing it so they’re all relatively the same true level. So it’s hard to gauge who’s actually good or carried

[final temple]

to be fair, I have seen more tubers say the class is sleeper than the class being bad.

[zealous ravine]

the only thing derank achieves for me is to just not make me wanna play it though

[glacial gyro]

I mean that's fair, its 17, but my current highest clear rank is 32 and I'm trying to get higher

[zealous ravine]

i wanna play funny builds and enjoy the chaos but thats only allowed at h40

[obsidian crown]

Yeah. If that changes, I imagine a lot more people would play havocs

[radiant swift]

the semis? you probably want crit stuff over powder burn

[zealous ravine]

every rank before h40? miserable
then h40 is quite fun (until they lower your rank in the next 5 minutes due to seasons or whatever other stupid mechanic havoc has)

[dim moth]

I just need to do at least one havoc 40 to have the 40 next to my name so picky bitches stop being terrified to LET ME IN

[tall dome]

yeah?

[glacial gyro]

its like how damnations are somehow super miserable, and then aurics are great

[final temple]

try heresy. leveling HS, heresy was an absolute bitchfest.

[obsidian crown]

Yeah not a fan of getting my havoc assignment reset to 30 every season

[tall dome]

crucian speedload maybe

[zealous ravine]

idk why they love resetting ranks every 5 minutes

at least keep me at 40

[main wagon]

Even my Scum hates the Carnival

[rapid mango]

i think they should make it permanent if you clear your own h40 assignment

[zealous ravine]

yeah

[rapid mango]

that way everyone grinds, once

[zealous ravine]

just gimme permanent ranks

[keen timber]

damnation is filled with people too scared to play auric and not aware enough to realise they should be in heresy or malice

[dim moth]

how about I grind you into some fresh seasoning

[main wagon]

This but Damnation Mortis Trials

You're literally juiced to the gills

Go play Auric

[limber cradle]

I think I'd enjoy havoc way more if I had a static

[glacial gyro]

and so they scream and rage in chat because somehow their fourth down is everyone else's fault

[main wagon]

I hate not finding ANYBODY in auric queue when I get home from work but I queue into Damnation Mortis and it's instantly full games of level 100+ people with their brains off

[limber cradle]

Or succumbed to using mods

[obsidian crown]

Yeah. Like me right now, I’m waiting on a friend to finish his exams so we can grind 30-40. But I don’t even like doing pub lobbies because they’re terrible usually. So that’s why I need at least one other guy to play with that I trust skill wise

[keen timber]

needing a static to play darktide feels crazy to me

[tall dome]

it does help, but the rest is still jank

[limber cradle]

Just for havoc lmfao

[pearl cliff]

I honestly don’t even know what static means, 1st thing that comes to mind is electricity

[dim moth]

and then you get auric teammates and they pull these damage numbers

[tall dome]

not understanding folks feel differently about the same game feels crazy to me, but here we are.

[main wagon]

Had to violently shake a man today and tell him "TODAY'S LESSON IS ON KEEPING PACE" because idk he was sniffing every piss spot in the trenches or something

[dim moth]

in a mortis trial

[keen timber]

what

[dim moth]

the ogryn was the only late joiner there btw

[keen timber]

tf are u yapping about

[limber cradle]

I play vanilla, I don't have the party finder prejudice mod, I'm sick or gambling on people, loading into a havoc, and the +1 wound guy forces you to hard carry them

[tall dome]

sounded like you were judgin em is all

[main wagon]

wtf is this

[keen timber]

party finder prejucdice?

[glacial gyro]

how the fuck does ogryn do 166k

[keen timber]

what's that doing

[main wagon]

Did he just like, go AFK

[near mauve]

ythat's a mod?

[limber cradle]

You can see peoples loadouts from the party finder

[keen timber]

ah

[main wagon]

Oh nvm

Fair

[limber cradle]

Its what I call the loadout viewer mod

[main wagon]

I was like "How the fuck did an Ogryn do no damage"

[dim moth]

joined on wave 10 to fill a veteran who rage quit after going down literally every single wave

[tall dome]

for a moment there i thought they'd renamed it

[main wagon]

Ahhh legend

[near mauve]

oh i have this on the normal mode

but not to judge

rather i wanna see people like to run

[rapid mango]

inspect from social

[near mauve]

and guess what, they all run the same stock builds

[main wagon]

Emergency slab to pick up the slack

[near mauve]

so much for le build variety

[limber cradle]

If you have a +1 wound curio I am prejudiced against you

[main wagon]

Fatshark should roll out Ogryn bots but give them better AI as a joke

[keen timber]

idk i just tried to get into havoc

[radiant swift]

real

[limber cradle]

Unless you're Marty

[obsidian crown]

Inspect from PF helps to an extent but even if they run meta builds, they’re usually still dogshit

[keen timber]

and every time i applied for somethjing in the low 20s

instant denial

yeah not gonna fucking try and push havoc if that's the pain of getting into a match

[tall dome]

i climbed to 40 twice, and it was rough both times.

it wasn't even like

FUN pain

[dim moth]

your fault for not being a true survivor with karnak twins hardmode insignia

[tall dome]

i did it the first time for cosmetics

[dim moth]

smh

[tall dome]

the second to see if i could again.

but yeah.

[limber cradle]

Every single VoC plasma DS vet I've met in havoc has been rancid dogshit I'm ngl, thanks dude who I'm not naming.

[obsidian crown]

I unironically am running those

[rapid mango]

just tried as in, you havent done any havoc yet at all?

[obsidian crown]

💀

[keen timber]

I've done a hav19

which was piss fucking easy btw

[dim moth]

I have poxbreaker, pre-order frame, and moebian 21st insignia

[keen timber]

so like

im not doing anything below 20

[rapid mango]

yeah its heresy so its gonna be

[limber cradle]

Havoc only becomes real at 25+

[keen timber]

yeah

[limber cradle]

And even then

[dim moth]

21 is when it's just auric damnation :)

[obsidian crown]

I’m pretty close to the 5 million kill frame so gonna rock that when I get it

[keen timber]

[dim moth]

25+ is when it is havoc for realsies

[keen timber]

i just... find that i dont care if that's the amount of hoops ive gotta jump through y'know

[rapid mango]

reminds me of the guy who cleared a h20 and is now a cocky bastard saying h40 will be a fucking breeze, thinking he's a godgamer

[obsidian crown]

I’ve hit havoc 40 assignment rank on every iteration of it

[tall dome]

legit this.

[limber cradle]

Sorry, you did not apply to my party when the stars aligned overhead therefore you will be denied

[keen timber]

yeah idk

[obsidian crown]

My goal is to hit 40 with purely hive scum this season

[keen timber]

im gonna spend more time in party select

than actually playing

[limber cradle]

You genuinely will at times

Ive spent 30 minutes in party finder before just to close the game and do something else

[pearl cliff]

That’s how I felt being havoc rank 1 as a bubble psyker

[zealous ravine]

i check forums and i instantly find a post complaining about havoc derank from 18h ago lmao

[keen timber]

yeah i logged on thinking "I'm gonna try havoc"

and suddenly after in party finder

[limber cradle]

If youre low rank and you host people will normally join you to get the helmet

[keen timber]

i dont even want to play the game overall anymore

[zealous ravine]

the havoc experience

[tall dome]

its a valid take tbh

[limber cradle]

I started playing hotline Miami while I was in queue and then just closed DT to beat Hotline again

[pearl cliff]

Last game I hosted we all died, I think it’s just a skill issue on my part

[limber cradle]

In havoc 1?

[zenith pagoda]

Hyper violence still refreshes and keeps adding damage right?

[keen timber]

is havoc 1 not just sedition, the old first difficulty

[zealous ravine]

wait is havoc 1 easier than uprising

[rapid mango]

lol the what

[pearl cliff]

No it gave me a havoc 15 mission before it fully changed, but one of the other party members put theirs instead cuz I wasn’t fast enough to put mine

[glacial gyro]

Interestingly, the people running meta builds tend to be dogshit, because people who understand the game tweak things to their playstyle and it ends up looking different.

[pearl cliff]

So we faced a rank 20 and all the squad collectively quit after we failed

I suck at hosting lol

[keen timber]

if u can do an auric mael and unlock havoc

u should be able to do a hav 20

[pearl cliff]

It was a collaborative fumble if that makes sense

Idk why but we were very distant in that mission

Like I try to trail our big man Ogryn and before I know it our zel’s ahead and vets off killing a horde someplace else

Director ate that separation up and swarmed us with specials

[obsidian crown]

There’s an achievement for 5 million or something kills

[rapid mango]

no lol

the frame is half a mil

poxbreaker is 1 mil

[pearl cliff]

I never trust pox breakers, last one I had the displeasure of working with was a warpig

[final temple]

hyper violence can feed off itself yes

[pearl cliff]

Dying as quick as a fresh psyker

[obsidian crown]

I said or something

I don’t remember the zeros

But yeah I’m at like 450 now

[rapid mango]

all it means is, the owner played the game a lot. . . doesnt specify how WELL they do

celine comes to mind

[obsidian crown]

I have like 500ish hours

[limber cradle]

I think i trust poxbreakers on average more than havoc forged or true survivor but not that much more

[rotund agate]

Poxbreaker is one of the "easier" orange-rarity titles to get, kinda like Budding Interrogator...

actually, Budding Interrogator is even easier

[obsidian crown]

Idk. I got havoc forged and true survivor within 40 hours of buying the game

[rapid mango]

it really is

i got budding interrogator really fast

[limber cradle]

Budding interrogator is the least trustworthy orange title

Tbh?

Orange titles in general are not trustworthy

People put them on cause they're orange

[obsidian crown]

Let’s be real

[limber cradle]

And they think it means "I'm good i have the orange title"

[pearl cliff]

Trust only reject titles, for they are the least shiny of them all

[final temple]

I don’t trust people who think they are entitled to anything by virtue of having a title.

[obsidian crown]

None of the titles are trustworthy regardless of color

[rapid mango]

im wearing poxbreaker when i get it to dunk on shitty budding interrogator players

[candid flare]

Still rocking Reject bc nothing I've gotten so far sounds cool enough

[rapid mango]

i cant equip reject

[limber cradle]

I had a playtester title go full afk in my auric mael recently so you would be correct I think

[rapid mango]

[pearl cliff]

what a world we live in

[rapid mango]

it literally gets mad at me

[pearl cliff]

Hive scum can’t slap on reject titles

[obsidian crown]

They were testing the afk kick timer. Trust.

[rotund agate]

I use Nomad title on all my characters...

[final temple]

I run Reject on my HS.

[limber cradle]

Nah like life happens ig? Idk.

[obsidian crown]

Yeah I’m joking

[jaunty coral]

Seeing youtubers disagreeing - whats the consensus here, should you use HC and HV together, or nah?

[candid flare]

It's the Arb that can't use Reject

[final temple]

yes. you should. if you can.

[pearl cliff]

Oh cool thanks for clearing that up

[obsidian crown]

I remember when they announced hive scum

[rapid mango]

it does this if i try to apply reject, and just, wont let me

[obsidian crown]

And people were calling it “premium reject”

[jaunty coral]

thats what i heard recently, then i think "mr e" put out a video saying you should.
But tanner just put out one saying nope, you shouldn't "and proving it" watching his now, unsure who to believe atm lmao

why i asked

could do my own testing but im not in-tune with hive scum yet, just hit 30

[obsidian crown]

Best answer I can give is test it yourself and see if it fits your playstyle

[jaunty coral]

havent been playing as much as i used to

[trim wind]

Don't listen to tanner ever

Easy as that

[final temple]

I haven’t seen tanner but there is no mechanic that deliberately makes both together worse. they do in fact not infringe on one another.

[rapid mango]

tanner tried to say a gun was better than another, tested ONE of them, and missed his shots

so

literally chug his takes with a gallon of seawater

[jaunty coral]

while hes an annoying sper lord and rude af, sometimes he can be factually right. Hes showing tests right now showing HC slows down clears at times and denies you HV procs but idk, i still dont fully understand the interaction tbh

[obsidian crown]

I mean

I already don’t trust tanner because of who he is. He makes questionable irl choices so why would I trust his game choices

[rapid mango]

basically, if one procs, cool. if it doesnt, the other one likely will.

[jaunty coral]

true lmao

[limber cradle]

Youtubers are morons and lying to you for views

[bronze glade]

something something broken clock right twice a day

[jaunty coral]

i tend to trust people like reginald, from here ainz, cole, etc more

[obsidian crown]

Cole and ainz are my two I trust here

[zealous ravine]

this is misinformation frip frop would never lie...

[trim wind]

My favorite tanner moment was way back in the day in this server he said the zarona revolver was trash (at this time easily the strongest gun), made a bet with someone who was willing to prove him wrong in a game and tanner ghosted them completely

[limber cradle]

The one acceptable youtuber

[eternal egret]

u sure

[obsidian crown]

Although ainz likes a super aggressive glass cannon builds in general, so I take what he recommends and tweak to my playstyle

[jaunty coral]

he thought the zarona was trash in the height of the zarona meta?

thats funny

[obsidian crown]

Cole and ainz are what I use as a base for my builds then I tweak usually

[trim wind]

He says a ton of wrong shit all the time, not worth wasting time on him

[winter galleon]

how yall finish the toughness recovery penance the fastest? seems to barely move

[icy scaffold]

So what Tanner is saying is that HC will kill a lot of the low health mobs that you could use to boost your HV procs. So technically they work fine together, but fundamentally they can get in each other’s way. It all boils down to what you prefer essentially.

[rapid mango]

ainz can make shit work that not many others could, so ye, ainz is a good player but, not always feasably attainable

[obsidian crown]

Yeah

[spring plinth]

Hey don't forget our goat path.exe

[rapid mango]

oh while we're on the topic of something being weak at their height

[zealous ravine]

can we buff scriers gaze pleaase

[obsidian crown]

I only use him for numbers usually but not actual builds. Hard to explain

[rapid mango]

someone came into psyker chat saying psyker was weak because bb didnt oneshot a heresy crusher

[spring plinth]

Fair enough

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-i-will-kill-whisper-i-will-cut-you-gif-20241258

[final temple]

this is false. HC does not kill them if HV would oneshot them.

[obsidian crown]

Don’t think his build crafting is the best

[candid flare]

Have to lose toughness to regen it. Play worse lmao

[zealous ravine]

make scriers give +100% attack speeeeeed

[winter galleon]

tbh the youtubers prob dont believe half of what they say, but drama and questionable opinions drums up views

[obsidian crown]

But he’s reliable with numbers for sure

[keen timber]

2 points for hufflepuff paragraphs for scriers gaze

[limber cradle]

Honestly if someone thinks psyker is weak/actually glass rn I don't even know what to tell them

[rotund agate]

btw, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we have had arguments over whether the saying actually uses the word "broken" or some other adjective before...?

[hasty agate]

Farm pox gas maps

[spring plinth]

I mean his specialty is vet and he's pretty much "solved" the talent tree there cause there's not much variety

[rapid mango]

movespeed now base, increased to 40%.
+50% attack speed
+50 stacks
weakspot kills now add 5 stacks

[jaunty coral]

ok so ive been running this (with the shanks) been working for me, but i just hit 30. Any advice?

Im gonna try to drop HC and see how it feels - circled a few possible nodes, what would you recommend I pick up?

would this be a viable build to attempt in havoc climbing?

[limber cradle]

Genuinely one of the easiest gameplay experiences I've had in darktide is FGS/SG/DD psyker

[icy scaffold]

That’s not what I said. HC kills the guy if you wouldn’t one shot them with the crit. If you don’t one shot the mob then that guy can then be used as an easy proc for HV, since you’ll get a lot of overkill due to it having low HP (instead of being dead due to HC).

[bronze glade]

no idea lol

[icy scaffold]

So it’s really just down to personal preference if you want to min/max HV or just want both for free damage and extra horde clear.

[fallen arrow]

Can one use both Hypercrit and Violence together on a rampage build?

[rapid mango]

yup

[fallen arrow]

Hooray!!

[radiant swift]

a decent number of weapons probably should

[rapid mango]

cant wait to tell six people are finally catching up about HC/HV honestly

[jaunty coral]

just looking for general advice on the build, is it solid? Im gonna try with and without HC - just looking for advice what you think best use of the extra point is, and if the built in general looks good. Could I attempt havoc with it or would i be trolling? (im pretty unknowledgeable on hive scum so far, still learning, gonna do some maelstroms or low havoc to practice for now)

[final temple]

HC would only be a problem IF you would also crit. the chance of this happening is extremely small.

[fallen arrow]

But does it allow Violence to proc for the next attack? Or is insta killing considered some other arbitrary number that cannot be added to damage?

[rotund agate]

like Rashad, for example?

[final temple]

you get more out of using both than losing from that tiny overlap

[radiant swift]

rashad is one that shouldn't I beleive

it already one shots so it doesn't need HC

[radiant swift]

or something along those lines

[astral sundial]

What perks and blesses would I want on the needler?

[rapid mango]

i dont know specifics, all i know is six has a build with shivs that has a DH half dead before her healthbar appears

[fallen arrow]

Christ

[radiant swift]

half face tanked a DH I accidentally stepped on with shivs and rampage

[jaunty coral]

just looking for general advice on the build, is it solid? Im gonna try with and without HC - just looking for advice what you guys think the best use of the extra point is if i drop HC, and if the built in general looks good.

Could I attempt havoc with it or would i be trolling? (im pretty unknowledgeable on hive scum so far, still learning, gonna do some maelstroms or low havoc to practice for now)

[bronze glade]

my 2c

[eternal egret]

does blessed stimms effect stimm supply and its linger effect if you take that perk as well??

i must know this for science

[bronze glade]

for red circles i didn't comment on

don't take

[livid raven]

blessed stimm doesn't interact at all with the stimm supply irrc

[jaunty coral]

so the purple skill dropped drops me crit chance, but does allow me to increase my power/cooldown of my stimm, should I also add more to the stimm?

[bronze glade]

stimm supply already heals corruption

[eternal egret]

are you sure bro

[livid raven]

yeah

[jaunty coral]

float like a butterfly is also -20% crit ya?

[bronze glade]

yeah for shivs i think better to take crit or rending on stimm

[livid raven]

the stimm supply already does heal corruption anyway

[bronze glade]

than finesse

[livid raven]

blessed stimm is a wasted talent

[eternal egret]

so why would u ever take blessed stimms with stimm supply

[livid raven]

well, it sucks in any case

[bronze glade]

you don't

[dense hollow]

the better question is why take blessed stimms ever

[eternal egret]

why does the tree bait u into it tyhen

[livid raven]

to keep you on your toes

[bronze glade]

yes but it has an uptime of 20-30%

sooooooo

[eternal egret]

pox gas, blight

[bronze glade]

i mean tbf it can be helpful

if you dodge a crusher

and crit them right after

[livid raven]

yeah, a waste of a talent point

[bronze glade]

but i don't value the talent as much as others because of the overall horrid uptime

[jaunty coral]

really? i havent tracked it i guess, 3s on dodge sounds like it would be up frequently

does it have an internal cd or something?

[bronze glade]

riposte is 6 seconds

3s is horrible

[jaunty coral]

ok, ill try without it ty

[bronze glade]

at least it's better than the 15% damage for 3s on dodge

[jaunty coral]

whats the logic behind dropping maxed out stimms? thought it was good with a lower cd stim for more stats

[bronze glade]

it doesn't actually give that much

but it greatly reduces your flexibility

on how you want to use stimms

60 seconds isn't as long as it sounds

[dense hollow]

maxed out stimms is a point for 5% crit, 5% tdr and 10% cdr

[bronze glade]

you'll end up using your stimm to keep stacks

[dense hollow]

in the grand scheme of things you're not getting a lot for your talent point

and it has a downside

[bronze glade]

even when you don't need the stimm

[jaunty coral]

the stimm i have is only 45s so it works out, but i can take something different

[eternal egret]

are rockets still maxed at 3 even with the extra blitz

[bronze glade]

you can get 4

which is just fucking silly

[eternal egret]

i swear i tried and i only got 3

[bronze glade]

but that's just game balance in general

nah you can get 4

[dense hollow]

yeah rockets are a better ogryn nuke rn

interesting choice

for getting 3-4 of them

[stark otter]

"were gonna have such FUN!!!!!!"

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-2922587064166244739

[eternal egret]

ogryn frag is hella powercrept

[jaunty coral]

is "Nimble" good worth taking?

[bronze glade]

i always take nimble

[dim moth]

yeah but it's fair because you see scum explodes when they get hit

so it's only fair they get to explode enemy

[limber cradle]

Ime yes but I love dodgemaxxing

[icy scaffold]

I love nimble ngl

[bronze glade]

i also try to take jittery

though not always

[dim moth]

you'll catch me dead before I make a build without my +50 billion movespeed node

[bronze glade]

nimble is the closest thing HIV has to a movespeed talent

[jaunty coral]

ok i also like it

[dense hollow]

vulture's gives 15% movespeed

[bronze glade]

it's esp helpful in shivs

[dim moth]

weak shit

[limber cradle]

You get it

[bronze glade]

yeah keystone

[dense hollow]

fair

[bronze glade]

i hate how the only movespeed buff is locked behind a keystone

[jaunty coral]

what about jittery

[bronze glade]

for the aids build

[bronze glade]

i try to take it on melee builds

[icy scaffold]

I like jittery

It feels noticeable

[dense hollow]

itd be nice if adrenaline got movespeed

instead of vulture's

or both have it

[bronze glade]

i don't get why arbi has more move speed buffs than fucking HIV lol

[keen timber]

[dense hollow]

gotta catch the criminals somehow

[bronze glade]

that's what the dog is for!

[jaunty coral]

so im intentionally attempting to try without HC - so im dropping it here intentionally
1 more point, take jittery?
also - fair to increase my stimm cd/power like this bc i dropped maxed-out-stimms? Reason for finesse on stim was bc my crit chance was so damn high, but maybe i should swap to rending?

maybe i should be taking chem-foritfied (purple augment) for more defense?

[bronze glade]

i run something similar for the talent tree. for stimms i usually just go full cdr personally tho

i usually don't take very long cd stimms

i prefer to just keep rampage up

[jaunty coral]

oh is that good? just pumps the ult off cd more? does it self-apply to stimm too?

[bronze glade]

yeah for ult uptime

[jaunty coral]

ok

[bronze glade]

i run max cdr tree and melee cdr

[jaunty coral]

what would you do with the last point in the talent tree i have there, if im not taking HC right now?

[bronze glade]

so rampage comes up really fast

[dense hollow]

chem fortified

[bronze glade]

take HC

HC is important on shiv

[jaunty coral]

ive been taking it, but i want to try without to test what tanners video was saying myself, ill go back and test with it again too and decide what i like

[dense hollow]

if its shiv you def should fit hyper critical

[jaunty coral]

i guess ill just grab jittery with that point for now

[bronze glade]

if you want to drop HV or HC, i'd say drop HV tbh

but really both is a good idea

[dim moth]

tbh I think practical movement from dodge boosts is a lot better for mobility than movespeed increases

and Nimble is like

gods gift to mobility and positioning

[bronze glade]

porque no los dos

[hasty agate]

Is slippery customer non-negotiable for you?

[dim moth]

the emperor himself wore these very sneakers our hive scum are scooching around on

[jaunty coral]

i thought it was in general for hivescum

tbh i havent tried without

[dense hollow]

i'm an evil scum player

check this pathing

[jaunty coral]

every build i look at takes it, all of them

[jaunty coral]

i can try that

i just havent yet

[final temple]

I don’t like it because it fucks with my muscle memory. In theory it is a really good talent.

[jaunty coral]

i was taking it, then dropped it copying someone elses build

and missed go zoom on dodge

so im taking it back again lol

[final temple]

definitely prefer slippery customer over it.

[bronze glade]

i don't feel slippery customer at all

i mean how often are you sliding in melee

i'm dodging, not sliding in melee

[final temple]

with it? a lot.

[dim moth]

I don't really either because dodge sliding usually still avoids melee attacks anyways

[bronze glade]

and nimble is a really good repositioning tool

[jaunty coral]

personally on hive scum a good amount, do lots of dodge slides, it also lets you slide away from things to break aggro really easily they cant hit you in the back

[bronze glade]

really lets you weave your way through a horde

[jaunty coral]

i kidna like it

[dim moth]

and Nimble makes my dodges faster than sprinting anyways so...

[jaunty coral]

but i havent tried it on havoc yet

[dim moth]

crab movement

[bronze glade]

with dodge slide you're safe anyway

well usually

[hasty agate]

I never take slippery. I only use nimble and jittery. I play in havoc 40 and unless I go for a clutch nothing touches me.

[bronze glade]

enough that i don't feel any value from taking slippery

[bronze glade]

yeah exactly

[dense hollow]

it's okay at pushing energy cells but it's not really important because you should be pushing them with your teammates anyway

[jaunty coral]

ill try without it

[dense hollow]

talent points are very tight on hive scum

spending it on slippery customer is a large waste for me

[hasty agate]

Float like a butterfly is what you should pick up with the spare point though

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/q1TXulte0hR.gif

nimble

[hasty agate]

Same

[limber cradle]

I love SC but I know it's ruining my muscle memory for every other character

[dense hollow]

i feel like if you play with nimble for 100 hours you'll also ruin your muscle memory for every other character

[charred bronze]

Playing scum ruins your muscle memory for other characters

[dim moth]

I played a round of helbore power sword veteran recently

holy shit dude

it's baaaad

[limber cradle]

Tbh I'm okay with that, I still have no desire to play the other classes post scum release.

[hasty agate]

It really doesn’t though. At least not for me. I’ve been rotating characters just fine.

[bronze glade]

lol psword vet's going to be awful to play after HIV

[limber cradle]

This is like, antithetical to scum lmfao

[dense hollow]

it varies from person to person, i don't have a problem either

[charred bronze]

It didn't ruin my play or anything, but I was definitely feeling the variance in speed/reactivity when I swap to zealot.

[hasty agate]

Vultures dodge on the other hand will absolutely give you bad habits lol

[dense hollow]

i think desperado vulture's dodge gives a lot of bad habits

both turn off ranged damage with VD giving you melee dodge as well

it's probably not as bad as castigator's stance but it's up there

[hasty agate]

Well I don’t use Vd on my desperado build. Nimble and jittery are more than enough to keep you safe.

For me any way

[severe zephyr]

can the ranged evasion activate the perfect evade perk?

[dense hollow]

yeah

[jaunty coral]

i had it but some were saying its awful lol

i dropped HC and do immediately feel it, def not getting as many 1 shot breakpoints

with shivs

[severe zephyr]

thanks i was wondering this since it's more notorious when you evade a melee attack than ranged

[hasty agate]

Float is goated wtf lol

[limber cradle]

Ive only seen people say they don't take float cause of the pathing

[dim moth]

free on a melee build, pain in the ass for gun builds

[limber cradle]

Its got like a tax node ig

[hasty agate]

It’s not even a problem to path to for a melee build

[limber cradle]

Idm taking Precision violence

[charred bronze]

Play vulturado in melee. Job done

Oh you mean talent pathing. Yeah

What Tongs said

[tight musk]

Finally. The opinion on HV+HC has arrived.

[keen timber]

thank god random youtubers are around so they can tell me my opinions

[tight musk]

Yes.

[bronze glade]

It's fine. The uptime is horrid though

[tight musk]

(tho tbf, I already wasn't using the two together)

[bronze glade]

Which is why I don't rate it particularly highly

20-30 percent uptime

Even on desperado

Not great

[knotty cipher]

got to spectate a smite only psyker yesterday, didn't know they were still out there

[fallen void]

whats the dump stat and optimal blessing line up on dual auto

[bronze glade]

They are like cockroaches. They'll never go extinct

[keen timber]

collat dump unless u plan to run pinning

in which case it's mobi

i recommend blaze away speedloader though, so collat

[limber cradle]

I prefer mobi dump with pinning to collat dump with blaze personally

But i think it's worth owning a pair of them

[radiant swift]

just landed a fully ramped rampage reved chain axe heavy on an plogryns head i'm really gonna hive scum it

[winter galleon]

nice 2nd 17% toughness acquired so 2x toughness 1x +3 stam setup

[limber cradle]

Congrats

[shut grotto]

Why are people running 2 toughness curious?

2 stam + 1 toughness is the way to go imo

Or 3 stam if you're insane like one of my friends uses

[limber cradle]

3 stam feels like a gimmick to me

[winter galleon]

despacito build, and ive tried the 3 +3 stam and it feels nice but seems gimmicky ya

on rampage build

[limber cradle]

I get it for a desp Vultures build where you probably are not taking damage anyway

[calm aurora]

https://youtu.be/1EEI6M_GN9A?si=jF8Q8jLT-3yJx5p9

[astral canyon]

drugs min-maxing

[calm aurora]

he has been nerding

[candid flint]

bait question

you know that the class has a reputation of being glass cannon

so ofc people are going to grab toughness or hp curios to offset that

[trim wind]

run wounds like a man

[amber sundial]

run martyrdom on every class

[candid flint]

martyr scum real

[sullen ridge]

bolt pistol truly is the first weapon in a game to be balanced by recoil

[limber cradle]

Tbh most classes in darktide simply run toughness ime

So i kinda just defaulted to sticking 2 on this one

[amber sundial]

i just use 1 stamina curio at max

[sullen ridge]

9 stamina is too much

[candid flint]

attack speed is already to high on this class, that multiple +stam curios just kinda goofy

[limber cradle]

I agree tbh

[sullen ridge]

60% bomber res the underappreciated goat

[amber sundial]

i dont need 5 billion stamina on most classes anyways

[dense hollow]

you get +12% attack speed for 2 extra +3 stamina curios

not worth the toughness hit at all

[limber cradle]

I was swinging so fast I was breaking animations without the perk for stam swing speed

With like, an attack speed stim

[lilac schooner]

no it was ripper gun

[limber cradle]

And rampage/adren talents

[dense hollow]

also if you don't run toughness curious you end up with like

[sullen ridge]

never used

[dense hollow]

60-70 toughness in havoc 40

[sullen ridge]

ive touched ogryn thrice in 600 hours

he just doesnt have the Panache™

[shut grotto]

It's not bait but ok. Just get better at dodging, sliding and blocking?

[limber cradle]

Tbh I almost run Tough Tough Health cause of havocs especially rn with poxbursters being uh, fatter

[sullen ridge]

society if hive scum had rebreather

[keen timber]

i should probably grab fuckin

a stam curio for my scum

[high gull]

So Ryk is our go to guy huh

[dense hollow]

we're pretty thick right now, ration event gave us thicker hitboxes

[candid flint]

if not bait, then its jsut a silly question, and you know it.

[calm aurora]

pretty much

[sullen ridge]

society if hive scum put some meat on their bones

[limber cradle]

Martyrscum

[sullen ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/proyecto-gif-2046171246859668162

[hasty agate]

Well…if all you get is 20-30% uptime on float like a butterfly, I’m just going to let that speak for itself.

[idle ore]

What uptime do you get?

I usually get around that much as well

[sullen ridge]

hive scum named lilith

ermmm when did we fly to SEATTLE

[high gull]

When was the last time you saw a fat drug addict slide canceling while spraying dual mac 10s

[fallen void]

is this good

[keen timber]

wow looks like new jersey

[high gull]

[limber cradle]

Last time I played a capcom game

[glad flint]

It's... alright. Not the best, but not bad by any means.

[fallen void]

im getting one, i wanna start giving heretics the freeman special

[amber sundial]

if you use heavy attack on the alt side you stagger crushers outta overheads

[limber cradle]

Capcom loves making their fat bastards mobile, what can I say

[high gull]

Pulverizing the shit out of captains with a crowbar and rampage do be a vibe

[fallen void]

good baseline or should i keep gambling

[amber sundial]

its fine for now

since gambling at lower levels is ass

[candid flint]

bro cant afford to min/max 💀

point and laugh

[fallen void]

i got 160k 🥀

[amber sundial]

gambling at lower levels is less likely to give you a godroll

[high gull]

Better get to them maelstrom mines

[ripe fjord]

I KNEW IT

[high gull]

No you didn't

[bronze glade]

Sounds like you're just clueless

[clever wren]

Rannick's printing ordo dockets, intentionally devaluing them to protect Brunt's prices

Disgusting

[lost ravine]

meth-maxing

[rustic zinc]

Solid weapon overall, though shivs are still my favorite. Crowbar ends up attacking sort of ridiculously fast on a lot of builds, while still having serviceable anti-armor attacks. The attack speed combined with decent stagger means it's one of the easier weapons to completely avoid being hit while using. Oh and it has a built-in Thrust (not sure if it's the full +20% damage while charging a heavy, but the longer you charge the more damage you deal)

[bronze glade]

Bro spends all game dodging instead of hitting enemies to increase that butterfly uptime

[bronze glade]

He ever respond to you?

[jaunty coral]

is the aoe stagger and -50% atk speed on enemies droppable on ult for havoc, or is it pretty needed for control?

[candid flint]

1k dodge game

[radiant swift]

power dih

[jaunty coral]

trying this i guess - stim doing nothing but cooldown feels weird to me, no power, but i guess if im just pumping ult off cd thats cool - this is kind of how you run it @bronze glade ?

[astral sundial]

Hmm

Im kinda unhappy with the build so far. But maybe I just need to tweak a few things

[bronze glade]

Ok but what’s the uptime?

[bronze glade]

I’d take hypercrit but yeah

[limber cradle]

Does hypercrit override tox renewal? I assume not but am not sure.

[astral sundial]

Can someone explain the difference between green and purple poiso on the saw to me?

[limber cradle]

I wouldn't run sweet spot unless you're using a vraks iag or something tbh

[astral sundial]

And the difference between green and blue mode on the needler?

[limber cradle]

Green toxic, purple brittleness

[limber cradle]

Green toxic, blue toxic that explodes into tox for the surrounding enemies on mkii and a stagger and light damage on mkvi

[dim moth]

purple mode also does higher damage

[jaunty coral]

shivs, stab heads gud no?

[icy scaffold]

If you drop the last CDR node you can take some strength nodes

[jaunty coral]

green = dot dmg
purple = brittleness debuff that stacks (anti armor) does no inherent damage itself, but makes the heavy armor easier to damage

[limber cradle]

Would you prefer to stab heads better or autokill man sized enemies pretty consistently tho?

[jaunty coral]

oh HC, i was specifically trying without, but ya i usually rock it

[astral sundial]

Ah

I see. Guess im taking the mk2 needler then

[limber cradle]

I gotcha I gotcha

[jaunty coral]

sorry actually that screenshot is missing a point

[bronze glade]

Hypercrit is very funny on human elites

[jaunty coral]

it would be HC normally

derped

[astral sundial]

And what would you say on a meelebuild that uses the saw as meele and the needler secondary, what should I use as blesses for the saw and for the needler and what as perks?

[winter tusk]

Anyone know if anything was datamined about a new class after hivescum

[astral sundial]

im not too good with the weaponstats.

[jaunty coral]

i had brought up toxic tanners* 🤣 video that he claims you shouldn'/t use hc/hv together, but when i tried without it was noticeable, i wanted it back lol

does 'uptime' for float like a butterfly only count in-combat? bc i wonder if its up 'when it matters' like when you're dodging out and striking back, even if its 'overall' uptime is low

[candid flint]

i dont have uptime, atm

[jaunty coral]

bc ngl, i feel it when i have it. more reliable crits.

[candid flint]

but i do have buff report on power di

[jaunty coral]

what mod is that, i just have normal scoreboard

and what difficulty

oh 'power DI' i see

[candid flint]

it goes into silly levels of detail

[lapis raft]

if the number is 1/4 of tis but a scratch then that sounds like rly bad uptime to me

[candid flint]

i'll get uptime and play a game or 2 and check

i dodge an insane amount, so i should get idk interesting results

[radiant swift]

is that 451 activations of it?

[limber cradle]

Ive seen people get pissed when you narcan them cause "you ruined their high"

Like alright dude I won't just pick a spot that isn't my bathroom floor to die

Fuck ass

[candid flint]

for me, getting mutied, dogged, trapped, or a player getting downed (that i have to rescue) is narcanning me in this game, as hivescum. i just want to stay in rampage and kill

[final temple]

with slippery, you can slide alternatively to dodging to get the is_dodging lingering state that both makes you immune to melee tracking and allows to proc successful dodge procs. ON TOP of being ranged tracking immune.

Jittery as it stands is deliberately useless for dodge-slides.

Nimble, while being a further and faster dodge, does not make you ranged immune like a regular dodge slide. you are turning yourself away from targets you would want to engage with in melee (possibly irrelevant depending on angle and actual distance) and you are more at risk of dodging into objects. It’s extremely good to create distance from hurt but makes engagements more tedious.

Plus, what I haven’t mentioned yet: As you can slide into an engagement, you can force the game to have the first strike with Slippery, allowing to control fast attacking enemies like ragers easier.

[candid flint]

but the game is trying to kill my high

[limber cradle]

I used to work with unhoused peoples in particularly bad areas

[clever wren]

There's a joke about Martyrdom Zealots in there somewhere

[idle ore]

no

[brave beacon]

i know im late to the party but i would like to say that i have done havoc 40 as hive scum AND have a build that (to me) makes havic 40 fell fun!

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08a8238-a34f-4ddf-ba12-d8a126af698a/scum-go-brrrrrr-havoc-40-tested

[limber cradle]

Saw the vraks desp pick a mile away tbh

[brave beacon]

desp?

[limber cradle]

Desperado

[brave beacon]

oic

i don't know how any one manages to play scum with out vultures dodge BUT with vultures dodge the class feels freging grate

[signal nebula]

Is that combat stats mod?

[candid flint]

power di

[signal nebula]

Does it track talent uptime by chance?

Or is that combat stats

[candid flint]

not directly

[dim moth]

okay I've tried precognition over flesh tearer for 100% crit chance knives

it does give more damage but I don't think it gives more useful damage

[limber cradle]

Thats also how I feel about it

[lapis raft]

flesh tearer is rly bad so it most likely also gives more useful damage

[dim moth]

stacking bleed on crit makes it a lot easier to kill the usual annoying enemies for melee builds than precog does

even if precog does ultimately give a higher damage bonus throughout a match

[lapis raft]

i completely gave up on it every time i try it its damage numbers are straigth up horrible and it def also feels that way

[limber cradle]

I prefer riposte to either of em tbh

[lapis raft]

i just run uncanny riposte on shivs now

[final temple]

have you tried riposte + uncanny yet?

[dim moth]

why tf would I run uncanny

[limber cradle]

Why wouldn't you run uncanny

[final temple]

opening cans

[signal nebula]

Yeah guys don't you know

He's a contrarian

[dim moth]

I'm playing 100% crit chance I kill carapace by stacking tox xd

I can give it a shot but I don't expect it to be good right from the onset

[lapis raft]

you cant alwaus just kill them with tox

[dim moth]

Just because the build I'm using is weird

[jaunty coral]

do youi need to kill the things near the shrine to get the points

or can you move from the shrine after praying and kill things wherever

[lapis raft]

uncanny def made noticeable difference for me

[final temple]

One could also make the argument that if I wanted to bank on tox for a melee build, I would bring saw. Of course I would never make this argument. But one could.

[lapis raft]

if saw moveset did not felt like ass i would be running saw instead of shivs for sure :d

[final temple]

I just spam lights.

[jaunty coral]

im using uncanny and flesh tearer on my shivs + coated weaponry and high crit and it feels pretty good. idk if its ideal, but fun for now. Im gonna try havoc soon with a bit more practice on the class in auric and do some climbing unsure if ill end up swapping to something else there

[final temple]

I mean. I would just spam lights if I were to.

[astral sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/crunchy-cat-monkeycatluna-monkey-cat-luna-judging-cat-cat-judging-gif-11023608558760086053

[candid flint]

It's very good

[lapis raft]

thats what i ran at first, but switched to riposte uncanny

[candid flint]

That 1 million dmg power di scoreboard I posted earlier was running something like that

[jaunty coral]

ya i was thinking just maxing crit could be more viable in havoc, i am noticing my bleed dmg per round isnt super high. Also considered precog

[lapis raft]

even with flesh tearer uncanny highest i've seen the % of damage that bleed did was like 19%

[cedar cairn]

Shivs and Saw both have fantastic h1s that feel great to use and that's kinda it

Plus it's just hilarious watching other Scum run around with their arms in the air using the shivs

[bronze glade]

Ok none of this convinced me to make any changes to my current setup

[unreal stirrup]

jittery is good

what is bro on about

[bronze glade]

One of these mods is prob wrong then

[unreal stirrup]

nimble is amazing for movetech

[bronze glade]

Unless you're showing like an hour long game

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/scaryfeet-monstersinc-sully-workingout-gif-6085847

It reminds me of this

[unreal stirrup]

the problem with it is that the dodge linger is shorter

[dim moth]

yeah uncanny strikes is kinda mid

only helps into crushers

and I'm playing like full tox build with 100% crit chance

[limber cradle]

Tbf what else do you need help killing

[dim moth]

so the extra rending doesn't dooooo much?

I don't have the melee damage to make it work well anyways

flesh tearer does mean anything I touch that's smaller than a rager just outright dies

which is a nice novelty

[sullen ridge]

what did i do.....

[dim moth]

emoji spam

wall of text

[sullen ridge]

crazy automod

[dim moth]

bulwarks

bulwarks are the big annoyance with this build

lack of raw damage does that

[limber cradle]

Tbh

I find they don't matter cause I can tox through shields

[sullen ridge]

always struggle with bulwarks ive just resorted to rocket or leading a single bulwark over to my competent teammates

[limber cradle]

Theyre also real slow

[sullen ridge]

bolt pistol can stagger by laying into the shield tho

[dim moth]

that would require me to use bolt pistol

[limber cradle]

Can also throw a blinder at em if you use those

[dim moth]

and I am not a masochist

[dim moth]

it NEVER WORKS

[limber cradle]

They normally open bulwarks ime

[dim moth]

BECAUSE THE FUCKERS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SHOT BY SOME SHIT ASS TRAITOR GUARD

[limber cradle]

This shit pisses me off so much

[sullen ridge]

is the bolt pistol that hated i feel like its the best option if you could HOLD IT STRAIGHT

[limber cradle]

Someone made me aware thats why that happens

[dim moth]

Yeah that was probably ME

[sullen ridge]

balanced solely by recoil

[dim moth]

and also having just mediocre enough damage that it fails to one shot like half the priority targets for guns in the game

with puncture

[final temple]

question: have you tried if bleed and tox can both crit at once?

[sullen ridge]

make sure ur not using the AOE mark, that one feels like buttcheeks

[cedar cairn]

I've seen Blinders knock Crushers over but they don't open Bulwarks

[sullen ridge]

i think the aoe knocks like 120 damage off the bullet