hivescum-class

[bronze glade]

idc, it's ass to play with desperado teammates

esp those that don't take pickpocket

[lapis raft]

why wouldnt someone take like the best node on scum tree (on ranged scum) :d

[winter galleon]

They prob take it but are wasting ammo or playing below aurics

[manic wolf]

I have never picked it on any build tbh

[winter galleon]

So not enough specials to proc it

[manic wolf]

Even more turbo ass given the event modifier

Desperado is just supremely un-fun outside of a hybrid build where you're not crutching on it the whole time

[tropic crag]

lol instant cc that fires a second time when you get put on no stam is just, the best value node for rampage tbh

[lapis raft]

its also 10/10 for revives with the as slow

[tropic crag]

oh yeah the attack speed slow for enemies is really really good

[manic wolf]

Im not sayin its not good, im just sayin its not something i really feel i ever need

Im sorry to be that one guy whos a bad teammate, but Im not gonna dedicate a point in an already point-strapped tree to pick up blueberries in shite situations 😄

Im just not gunna do it

[tropic crag]

lol if i don't take it i'll walk up to something and press F and get killed because i expecet them to be on the ground due to muscle memory

plus i ran so much crunch slayer i like when press f and things fall down

[lapis raft]

can also just shout away launching bursters if rly needed :d i shouted away so many, very fun

[tropic crag]

lol it is good for that tbh, even more so on the current patch

[novel oracle]

no it really isnt

the only weapon with uncanny strike that youd see a difference with it on is shivs

and when uncanny is at max, that difference youd see would be

6.25% more damage

if its old combat knife, uncanny already hits the hard rending effect cap of 100%

so itd literally be doing nothing at all

[young herald]

rending nod ereally just isn't worth the point, given how much scum is squeezed for talents

[sturdy linden]

I only take it for Chaxe

[manic wolf]

Really? Its that little?

Well cool, saved me a point

[novel oracle]

yeah
with uncanny at max on shivs the adm would be over 1 just barely with 40% rending

for heavy attacks, which is what youre using on them

[manic wolf]

Yer

[novel oracle]

youd see a difference on light attacks but like
why are you doing that

lol

[manic wolf]

Good lookin out

[novel oracle]

oh and its for heavies anyway lmfao

i forgot

[manic wolf]

Ye no im not running around trying to light crushers to death lmao

[tropic crag]

crit fishing can be fun if you've got time to kill

[novel oracle]

id say its a valid point if you skip uncanny tbh

but most people arent

[manic wolf]

Hmm... wonder if there is any merit in doing that

[tropic crag]

ok, basically done making a chainsword and build for it, time to finally learn how to use this weapon man... if i'm gonna do it on any class i'm gonna have the most fun learning on scum

[broken bear]

is there a melee power cap

[manic wolf]

Icr what the blessing pool is offhand, I would need to look, but i'll mess about with that later

[broken bear]

also this build fucks (we didnt win thats why low damage)

[novel oracle]

riposte precog

3 in one for rending crit and finesse

[broken bear]

Riposte + the crit on dodge

[manic wolf]

Yeah suppose thats an option

[broken bear]

thats why i have toxin

cuz i crit a ton

[novel oracle]

riposte is crit on dodge

youre thinking precog

[broken bear]

the talent

float like a butterfly

[novel oracle]

oh true

[broken bear]

i just forget da name

[glacial gyro]

saturdays remind me why I enjoy single player games

[light phoenix]

Chainsword decent on Scum?

[novel oracle]

10% base crit
5% stat node
20% float
20% precog
12.5% shiv base crit

67.5% crit

and thats before you decide to go chem dep or not

[broken bear]

aura

or is that ur stat node

[bronze glade]

butterfly 🤮

[novel oracle]

true that as well
but you could also take melee dmg too just cuz

the 5% crit stat node is the top of bottom left

which youre taking for swift endurance

[carmine solar]

what are the good blessings for vraks on desperado build?

[broken bear]

battering strikes instead of pulverizing lets see

[novel oracle]

vraks infantry?

[carmine solar]

braced mb

[novel oracle]

both damage ones

fire frenzy and deathspitter

[carmine solar]

i was thinking that cuz i wasnt sure how worth speedload would be

[novel oracle]

but why vraks brauto specifically instead of an agrip brauto

[novel oracle]

that works too

id swap fire frenzy for that

forgot it had that

mustve been thinking about run n gun that it didnt have

[carmine solar]

i like the mag size and fire rate better

[plucky nymph]

is anyone elses game ultra fucked? randomly inbetween h40s i cannot change abilities. no matter waht my loadouts are, it puts on desperado plus the talents of the build i want ot run

in psyk i cannot get off desperado, i restart game too

[carmine solar]

im running vultures mark with the dodge so the fire rate helps proc it more

[lost bear]

there's almost too few nodes for a melee scum build

the core of it is the same, you just decide how much extra sauce you want where, and the sauce fundamentally doesn't matter too much

[rocky socket]

So far this class is lowest tier right? Even if you play it right

[lost bear]

nah

the peaks are pretty fucking high, Desperado is up there with Psyker

and there's a lot of super high value nodes, the issue is that people got too used to just walking through shit with toughness generation

[tropic crag]

whoever told you that honestly lied to you... or they are very bad at the game

[carmine solar]

can make an argument for lowest tier in survivability sure but in damage hell no

[lost bear]

it is very unforgiving though

[carmine solar]

and if you play it right with certain builds you are practically invincible

[tropic crag]

it has tanky setups you can run and still pump out damage, so its like the psyker, sure it can be glass canon, but can also be a canon

[lost bear]

also you can do filthy things, idk who it was that made the observation that Scum uses the common weapon groups the best of all the human classes

but they were definitely cooking something

[rocky socket]

Im quite new,like the idea but wow it dies fast

Only have a lvl 28 zaelot and a 12 scum

And planning what to do? Wich one to play

[carmine solar]

zealot first fs

[lost bear]

Zealot first definitely, because floor inspection sucks

[tropic crag]

they are alot like slayer from vt2 in the fact that you make some tradeoffs in exchange for every weapon just being better in your hands

[lost bear]

uptime is practice time

like it's not worth trying to learn to drive on a twitchy little hotrod if every time you touch the gas, you crash

[tropic crag]

honeslty if you're that new to the game it makes sense as to why you'd be struggling (not to mention scum is just alot harder at low level without all the talent nodes). I would say practice on other classes then come back to scum when you have more foundational skills under your belt

you don't need a ton of skill to make scum work, but you need at least a little understanding fo the game

[lost bear]

not so much a high skill floor as discipline, if you will

[tropic crag]

basically yeah... just the basics

[lost bear]

you can never disregard any threat, there's super little mitigation

arbites can just ignore whole categories of shit

so can the other classes in their own ways, in their niches

scum rawdogs

[tropic crag]

they have some things still, but yeah their things are less fool proof usually

tho vultures dodge could use like... a cooldown or something

[lost bear]

yeah then there's the whole left tree

you're playing year 1 vet

[tropic crag]

lol

[lost bear]

minus boltgun to be sure, but am I wrong?

[tropic crag]

at the very least it attracts the same type of players

[lost bear]

and it works

annoyingly

like, the barest concession to anti-cara and it's an all around build

[tropic crag]

yeah, luckily i'm too bonk brain do to anything besides full melee

[broken bear]

ok this melee scum is only rlly beat by psyker stuff

assail taking the kills i needed </3

[lost bear]

does assail trigger the tentacle head explosions?

[broken bear]

no clue

doesnt seem to cuz it headshots

[novel oracle]

nah

[rocky socket]

Thank you!! Will do then
And come back a biz later

[rose flax]

I mean it's not the same thing, and most classes regen 1 stamina, if they regen 1.5 or 2 in hive scums case, it makes more sense, other wise it's just 1.36 stamina per second

[rocky socket]

For desperado build what weapon is the best?

[eager reef]

hitting a pick axe ogryn with rocket fuel might be the funnies tthing ive seen

the animations break

[lost bear]

vraks infantry autogun, autopistols (the uzis)

[novel oracle]

dual autopistols imo

[solemn thorn]

The rocket launcher is great but it needs to be instantly dropped, you get stuck in dropping the launcher or the case for a few seconds and aren't able to do anything

[bronze glade]

it's fine for how busted strong it is

not like there's going to be anything to hit you after you fire

[eager reef]

opkay but you see

i want to fire another faster

[unique spire]

Muscle Wizard

[low harbor]

Nah, top 3 class

But the levelling process is indeed horrible

[winter tusk]

ive heard that a lot but i didn't even find as bad as arbitrator

[lost bear]

depended a lot on team comp

4 scum was horrid

[winter tusk]

i basically clutched every game

[hasty agate]

Is hyper critical and hyper violence the way to go on shivs?

[winter tusk]

still not that bad lol

thats average auric games

only one or the other, they're not good to run together

[tropic crag]

personally i think picking one over the other is comfier because you can put that node into something else but you can stack them if you want

[lapis raft]

hyperviolence def feels very good on shivs at least

taking hypercritical with it sounds pretty meh

[winter tusk]

thats the recommended one for shivs

[tropic crag]

yeah i pretty much always pick hyperviolence over hc on the builds i've been making after trying them out

[mighty belfry]

so uh

[hasty agate]

I can fit hc in but I’m just not sure if it is worth or not.

[mighty belfry]

did anyone notice that stimm supply is a little bugged with how it works with cartel special

to your benefit, mind you

[winter tusk]

you're probably better off taking hv then using the other point for something else

[lapis raft]

did not rly noticed any bugs with it, unless you mean the stimm cd starting right after crate is used which isnt rly a bug i dont think

[mighty belfry]

if you use the stimm supply while stimm is on cooldown, the stimm effect won't be applied... until you move out and back inside the radius again

i am

100% certain this is not intended behavior

because that means getting maxxed out stimm benefits has way more uptime

[normal steeple]

double barrel

[mighty belfry]

as a matter of fact, it's actually worth not picking practiced deployment even since that will guarantee that you'll get the ability back normally before the stimm, which makes them easier to overlap

and with sample, it won't mess up the cooldown for the actual ability either

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-eyes-pop-out-gif-2304724474379615150

[mighty belfry]

welp

i'm enjoying this while it lasts lmao

[winter tusk]

abuse it or lose it

[mighty belfry]

even with that, stimm supply is still the harder ability to use as opposed to rampage and desperado so

🤷

[bronze glade]

lol wtf

[mighty belfry]

it seems like the stimm supply's effects reset whenever you leave and re-enter the radius, and that seems to be reapplying the buffs

[bronze glade]

i did notice that, but never tested it when the stimm wasn't up

[mighty belfry]

i noticed it just a game ago

but i'm pretty sure it's probably been happening the whole time

but with practiced deployment, it's harder to actually notice it happening since supply's cooldown is also tied to the actual stimm

essentially, run sample collector and not practiced deployment and you'll get the most uptime on your buffs but you actually have to stimm yourself sometimes

also, i'd imagine this could also be happening to your teammates?

[manic wolf]

Thats very weird

[cedar venture]

be light on your feet, herd the hordes like sheepdog

[rocky socket]

What build do you suggest to use?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077be66-a1c9-4623-aa8c-3ce4af979bbd/crackhead-john-wick-high-havoc-build

this one is fine?

[tropic crag]

check the builds in the pins in this chat

the ones made by cole

those are good foundations of builds

[cedar venture]

Personally I use Chem Tox nade, rampage with the chem dependency stim with the stim modifier utilizing the attack speed buffs. Not to mention im using shivs that have bleed stack blessing and crit chance blessing. but play around with it

[rigid dock]

aight im finally going to use the shredder autopistol, how do i build this thing

[cedar venture]

better off usin auto pistols in my opinion

[bronze glade]

SAP desp is pretty stupid

[rigid dock]

well, mostly just finishing off the mastery to get the penance

[cedar venture]

ah

[rigid dock]

im at like 17/20 so if i hate it im not locked in for long

[bronze glade]

first game with SAP desperado

clearly desperado is a well-balanced and fair ability

[rigid dock]

but ive literally never used the gun before on any class in my 600+ hours

[bronze glade]

that is not at all detrimental to the health of the game

[rigid dock]

no idea what it needs for perks and blessings

[cedar venture]

I mean i hadnt used Shredder since early DT

[eager reef]

i like the stim crate

[manic wolf]

Hmm

Trying out the splash damage radius Boltpistol an uhh

Kinda feel like its a bit of a sleeper pick

At least on Scum

[eager reef]

it's a tad silly

[bronze glade]

yeah it's good for sure

[manic wolf]

Its so safe man

[cedar venture]

I wish it wasnt it own perk to have the lingering effects

[manic wolf]

Its like anti-bullshit in gun form

[bronze glade]

i think the only thing it can't control well is ogryns

[manic wolf]

Thats not a huge issue, got the rocket for those

[bronze glade]

but it otherwise handles mixed hordes quite well

[rigid dock]

i stopped trying to make it a bomb with low cd stims and instantly liked it way more

[manic wolf]

Its more that it can fill mostly the role of Blinders, only the economy is exceptional

Which is big on melee build

[rigid dock]

taking a giga-stim, the node that gives cd off stim on kills, and just letting it be like a 20-30 second party buff felt really solid

[manic wolf]

Which kinda removes the main downside of bringing rocket in the first place

[cedar venture]

I just crit status effect until its gone with heavys

[eager reef]

not to mention is has boss damage by switching back to single

[manic wolf]

Huh?

[eager reef]

swapping the modes

swap back to yellow, max stack a boss and shitft into melee again

[lapis raft]

oh interesting. some people were saying that you can get the stimm bomnus while its on cd but i was just testing standing in it and not walking out and back in

yea that def sounds unintended :d

[manic wolf]

Im was talking about splash damage Boltpistol lul

[eager reef]

im here to kill not read

[lapis raft]

lmao

yea just tested it you are right

thats funny

[mighty belfry]

welp, stimm crate is now unintentionally better

[tropic crag]

i've been wondering if bolt pistol despo was a thing but i was afraid to speak it into existence as something actually good

[manic wolf]

I dunno that i'd bother on Desperado, but for a melee build sidearm its pretty viable

[lapis raft]

the wording still says copy so maybe lets pretend it not applying in first place is a bug and not this, ez

[near vapor]

wallahi

[rocky socket]

What is the best ranged option for desperado build? Online there is a lot of debate about it

[near vapor]

autopistol, shredder

[lapis raft]

i rly like splash bolt pistol on vet and zealot my fav wep

idk if i would take it on scum tho but its very fun wep

[hasty agate]

Use what’s best for you.

[flat mist]

If you drop stimm supply without your stimm available, all you have to do is exit and re-enter the area affected by stimm supply and you get the stimm effect

[lapis raft]

also the 3rd person mod on scum kinda goes hard ngl

[tropic crag]

best on despo doesn't really matter tbh, its like arguing over toppings on a pizza, you're still getting a pizza

in desps case you're still getting the op nodes

[near vapor]

get dynamic crosshair to fix the 3rd person aim

[lapis raft]

yea i have it

[tropic crag]

having to relearn the melee in 3rd person i think would kill me, would be cool if 3rd person was like baked into the game tho just to look at yourself mid mission

also, after a couple of games with chainsword i think i'm finally starting to see the vision

[winter tusk]

3rd person melee isn't that different imo

Only weapons that have an issue are small ones you cant see well to do headshots and whatnot, like knives

[near vapor]

you just need to remember the moveset of a weapon

[lapis raft]

its pretty hard to judge distance on knives yea

[winter tusk]

Tac axe is ezpz 3rd person

[tropic crag]

taxe is just kind of easy tbh, not in a bad way its just a simple honest sort of weapon lol

it smack, then it smacks again

[eager reef]

mfw click head

[winter tusk]

Depends which one you use and how you use it

I use the 2 and do combos with the special attack a lot

[grave venture]

HALF SWORD MENTIONED

[near vapor]

hyper crit taxe

[winter tusk]

Bro got his entire back shaved

Definitely hairless now

[grave venture]

No skin off my- wait

[icy scaffold]

Dual autos or infantry autogun are pretty fun. Explosive bolt pistol is also a good choice, and you can also do some funny stuff with the revolver

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/slipknot-photobomb-silly-wacky-gif-9007985

[tropic crag]

does anyone else find themselves shooting the rpg at their feet a bit often?

[eager reef]

which one are you using

[tropic crag]

or is the oggy player in me coming out lol

[fiery palm]

Powderburn worthwhile on Shredder? I can't decide if I like it or not

[near vapor]

Im a big fan of the Mk7

[bronze glade]

shredder takes PF + blaze away

powderburn doesn't work on half the enemies in the game

[fiery palm]

yeah it was neat making reapers cower for a sec but it didn't really feel too worthwhile, thanks for the push gonna discard it

[eager reef]

what are you running on it, entertaining some stupidity with crit and toxin application atm

[lapis raft]

does headtaker work on toxin damage from tacaxe?

[near vapor]

I run Rampage and adrenaline frenzy on it

[eager reef]

i meant on the axe itself

[near vapor]

headtaker and brutal momentum

flak and unarmored because I want more headshot damage on dregs

[eager reef]

no that's fair

[manic wolf]

Its blinders in gun form, very based on Scum

[rigid dock]

ngl after one mission im kind of a shredder believer

[manic wolf]

Pocket CC and not at all bad damage

[idle ocean]

Why’s like literally everyone on YouTube talm bout some “hive scum is weak”

Bro

Are we talking about the same class

I just wanted to get that out there

[rigid dock]

Probably initial impression shock

also before the tree got tweaked a little early game scum was rough, all the good survival tools were in the bottom 3rd of the tree

[unkempt tide]

if you didnt play psyker pre patch

[manic wolf]

About the only things Scum is really weak too are the same bullshit of epic proportion stuff that would kill other classes in most cases

[unkempt tide]

you probably thought scum was weak

[manic wolf]

*If you didnt play launch Psyker

[idle ocean]

EXACTLY!

[manic wolf]

Sloptube is gonna sloptube

[idle ocean]

Idk man, all the ppl I run with don’t like him and its so weird to me

[rigid dock]

scum can be kinda rough into carapace walls if you dont have bazooka

[idle ocean]

Scum is deadass my new main bro zealot can go rot

[rigid dock]

but then i question why you aren't taking the big fun bazooka anyway

[idle ocean]

Ok not really but still

[unkempt tide]

scum can kill carapace just fine

[manic wolf]

Whats funniest is that a lot of these content creators are using Scum being weak as a coverup for their skill issues, which is just a hilarious self-report

[idle ocean]

My brother In scum just spam dodge

It’s not that hard 😭😭

[near vapor]

Mystery E and he who shall not be named

[manic wolf]

Almost peak performance, I ran out of Plasteel

[unkempt tide]

heavy sword zealot is peak

[manic wolf]

This is on Scum lol

[toxic dagger]

Reactionary takes from content creators capitalising on scum having a higher skill floor to maximize their viewcount

[idle ocean]

Is HS on scum good??? Have yet to try it

[manic wolf]

Absurdly so

[idle ocean]

Not but fr

[rigid dock]

its awesome apparently

[idle ocean]

I’ve been addicted to the horde clear shivs, might have to give it a try

[manic wolf]

You can melt your way through pretty much everything with it

[rigid dock]

havent had a chance to use it yet but looking forward to it once the saw and crowbar pull their hooks out of my brain

[manic wolf]

It is cracked

[near vapor]

its better than both of those

[manic wolf]

Jup

Not by a little bit either

[toxic dagger]

It has enough attack speed steroids and synergizing talents like hyperviolence to turn the thing into a bankai katana or someshit. I've seen some Cole clips, looks dank. Not played it yet

[idle ocean]

Horde clear shivs feel like shade from vt2 tho 🙁

Idk I’ll give it a try tmrw

[rigid dock]

do you just light attack spam hordes with it or is it like one heavy attack kills 20 guys

[manic wolf]

The latter

[near vapor]

I use the mk7 and I just loop special > H1 repeatedly

[rigid dock]

shit alright ill give it a whirl

[near vapor]

or I just do a push attack > heavy

[idle ocean]

Is it good with chem toxin tho? I struggled to get HS to Crit on zealot ngl

[rigid dock]

its deathblow headtaker right?

[manic wolf]

Once you have Hyperviolence up you chop through mixed horde like they were all Groaners

[near vapor]

ye

[idle ocean]

Mind sending me your skill tree for it?

[manic wolf]

Its not a tox-proc type weapon, no

[rigid dock]

you like it with adrenaline or is this a rampage chem dependacy dea where youre just rampaging 24/7

[near vapor]

i run rampage adrenaline

i dont like using desperado ngl

[idle ocean]

That’s so fun on on shivs

Desperado is fun on occasion but melee scum makes me scum

Love melee scum

Adrenaline as a keystone tho unironically pains me tho

H8 ts

[rigid dock]

desperado is like a delicious choclate eclair- its fun and sweet but too much isnt good for you

[manic wolf]

You could probably drop the cleave node in Rampage for something else if you wanted it, but I keep it for the melee strength increase

[idle ocean]

Yeah defo way different that how I usually run melee scum but I guess not being able to reliably apply chem toxin defo shakes it up

Might tweak it a just a tad to how I like to play but I appreciate it 🙏

[rigid dock]

oh you don't need the cleave stuff at all? is it overkill?

[novel oracle]

Yes

[unkempt tide]

heavy sword already has a ton of cleave

[eager reef]

taxe is fun, i think i like heavy sword mroe

[novel oracle]

And you get like a bazillion strength AND have deathblow

[manic wolf]

And Deathblow

Yer

[novel oracle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0801856-474d-4278-8040-0b313f784675/hsword-scum-kills-crushers-btw-lole?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

This one's mine

[sturdy linden]

bouncing between Scum and Ogryn is like playing two separate games lol

[idle ocean]

I love how every single hive scum melee build has the same top of the skill tree

[manic wolf]

Orgyn, sadly, is just not as fun as he once was

[idle ocean]

It’s zealot all over again 😭🙏

[sturdy linden]

[rigid dock]

does the close range damage node at the top apply to needle pistol? cus if not i might just drop it to get a point somewhere else

[near vapor]

cuz you wont gain any toughness otherwise

[manic wolf]

Hey its just my opinion man, he's too cumbersome and despite being giga-fucking strong, doesnt really do it for me anymore

[novel oracle]

Only when you hold the gun

[flat mist]

The on dodge talent applies to all damage

[rigid dock]

it works on the dot? didnt realise

[novel oracle]

Oh the on dodge one

Yeah that one is all damage within 12.5m

[flat mist]

I didn't think the one that scales with distance worked with dots at all but could be wrong

[sturdy linden]

It's polar opposite to scum that's for sure

[rigid dock]

it says ranged, is this a fatshark thing where its just lying?

[sturdy linden]

But I just out damaged a purg psyker last game

[manic wolf]

And to a certain degree Zealot

[idle ocean]

Nah nah ik was just making an observation

[sturdy linden]

On a Branx tauntgryn

[manic wolf]

Thats good going, respect

[sturdy linden]

So.. lol

[unkempt tide]

close ranged doesnt mean ranged

[novel oracle]

Its also all damage, but only works when your gun is in your hand

[flat mist]

"Close range damage" it's weird

[idle ocean]

Will probably run something like this for HS. Any glaring issues?

[rigid dock]

just saying that im looking at it in client right now and it definitely says Close Ranged Damage

[manic wolf]

Either a typo or just poor wording, could be either

[flat mist]

It works, have tested it

[novel oracle]

Weakspot damage is kinda super whatever
You have no investment into adrenaline

[manic wolf]

You at least need the on-kill node for Adrenaline

Top right subnode

[idle ocean]

If weakspot damage isn’t needed on hs than I’ll definitely drop those three nodes and dump em into adrenaline.

[novel oracle]

I personally also just dont invest into stim nodes in the tree most of the time

[idle ocean]

I’m not gonna lie to you tho, I cannot stand adrenaline as a keystone

[novel oracle]

3 nodes? You'd wanna keep swift endurance tho

[manic wolf]

Why?

[idle ocean]

It’s cool in theory but I feel like by the time it procs you’ve already dealt with what you needed to kill

[manic wolf]

Adrenaline is like... hella strong. Almost an always-on second Ult level of input

[novel oracle]

With no stamina increases,heavy sword sits at 14 extra attack speed

[manic wolf]

Thats why you take this

[sturdy linden]

Take the on kill node and it procs in, like, 1 swing of your HS lmao

[flat mist]

You can proc it in two swings and then keep chopping for 10/20s

[manic wolf]

It stacks SO quickly

[idle ocean]

Uh oh

[novel oracle]

Thats why you invest into it
The kill node gives you a total of 15 on an elite kill, and you can extend the duration to 20s

[sturdy linden]

[idle ocean]

I started smthing 😭🙏

Alrighty fellas my b

In my defense I’ve only used it on shivs ;-;

[novel oracle]

Yeah its kinda poo without investment

[rigid dock]

whts the perks on hsword again? is it flakiac or are people on unyielding now?

[flat mist]

Still good on shivs

[idle ocean]

I prefer stim dependency on shivs bc of how much chem toxin u can apply

Chem toxin and stim dependency is like free dopamine

[flat mist]

Chem dependancy doesn't scale with toxins at all

[idle ocean]

Ik but there close on the tree

[novel oracle]

On scum i am literally using carapace and unyielding cuz everything else dies too fast for perks to matter
Im not even joking

[idle ocean]

Hot damn

I’m guessing with the rampage rending node armor isn’t that much of an issue?

[rigid dock]

damn alright last time i saw a message ike that was for psyker greatsword builds

guessing this shit is actaully crazy then

[tropic crag]

i'm honestly more or less doing the same, sometimes +crit if i'm not maxing that out elsewhere

[novel oracle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447795988487209102/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_External_Testing_-_2025-12-02_1-30-57_AM.mp4?ex=693f8416&is=693e3296&hm=902a5a72d4809902e0275f888a7f46043cb7c9d4db3b53b2f983cbe197d1674b&

Its a big help

[idle ocean]

Was just abt to ask if u had clips

Ty brodie

[compact maple]

Mk3 shiv experience vs crusher

[manic wolf]

And then the Crusher just falls over because you've stacked up a gazzilion tox and bleed DoTs

[idle ocean]

Wah wah wooh wah,it’s absolutely imperative you reread that in a borat voice if u didn’t already

That’s kinda hot

Gonna have to give it a try

[near vapor]

PA > heavy

[sturdy linden]

Aim for the neck after building up HyperV stacks from nearby mobs

[manic wolf]

MK3 is the boxcutter shiv ye?

[compact maple]

Status build go crazy

[idle ocean]

Mk 3 shiv my beloved 🤤

[manic wolf]

Still not used Boxcutter ones yet, I just uhh... struggle to see why they exist

[idle ocean]

Fellas idk if this is a dumb question but assassin attacks don’t have cleave, right?

[compact maple]

If this game had a endless horde mode, mk3 shiv would unironically be top tier because status effect

[novel oracle]

I need my uncanny stacks for this horde you see

[idle ocean]

Uncanny riposte with the chem toxin on crit thingy on the box cutter shivs 🤤🤤🤤

[near vapor]

you should try it

[idle ocean]

Wait fellas

The shape of the hive scum skill tree is a big ol stim

Or a virus

Woah

[spark bough]

I never truly realized how useful Enhanced Desperado is until i started using it to Revive downed squadmates. "Oh... 4 reapers, thats a problem for later me."

[manic wolf]

More that the pointy ones clear horde well enough, but I'd rather have the ability to kill armoured targets easily when they're about

[patent bone]

"A problem for me later and you now"

[tropic crag]

i'm still not sure if i'll like the chainsword ever but i've decided to keep giving it a chance after i press F and cleaved like 30 maulers and ragers in half in no time at all, so at least its got that neat trick on rampage scum

[spark bough]

yes... but almost dead squadmate needs a pick up.

[manic wolf]

Chainsword is pretty exceptional on Scum. Good damage, good cleave, fast and doesnt have a hitmass related blessing so you can take Shred and Coated and shit out a bunch of DoTs too

[tropic crag]

i was trying without the bleed dots first but might put them on, haven't decided tbh

but yeah i finally at least don't hate using the chainsword and it took the scum for that to happen

i'll need to try other weapons i've disliked to see if i like them on the scum

[safe light]

What dump stats for weapons?

[tropic crag]

often moblity or defense... sometimes other things

[patent bone]

If I use Kalma while I'm on desperado, does it cool down my des while it's active or nah?

[hasty agate]

How far do you guys take your cooldowns on your cartel special with sample collector? So your stim is always there for the stim supply and 60 second dependency.

[manic wolf]

No

[patent bone]

Just checking, thanks

[manic wolf]

Both the stim and ults have cooldown lockouts for future reference 🙂

[safe light]

So I can get both deffence and mobilty as dump stat on 2 weapons of same type and I be fine?

[young herald]

so running blackout nades + chainaxe with toxin on crit, toxin on grenade, and sample collector, this stim is up guaranteed after every second rampage, and comes up after every rampage when I'm locked in and getting the kills I should be

that's a 57s cooldown base

[hasty agate]

Yeah that’s about where I’ve been keeping mine

[near vapor]

infinity ahh layout

https://tenor.com/view/infinity-loop-infinity-symbol-gif-16359183

[fast gust]

57s seems to be a sweetspot tbh

Try to keep all of my stims about there

[rigid dock]

have people ironed out their stims yet? curious to see what other people prefer

[near vapor]

I run full strength on my rampage build

[rigid dock]

i keep bouncing between just cooldown reduction and a short cd stim and making a giga-stim

[sullen ridge]

guy who configures it to only post if he gets most damage

[unkempt tide]

dev?

no

[near vapor]

scoreboard isnt toxic

🧢

[unkempt tide]

he has it setup automatically from what I can tell

[sullen ridge]

is dev a known entity

[unkempt tide]

I play with em sometimes

[sullen ridge]

oo

i guess a lot of auric players are known entities

how many people have seen me and thought ughhh sumpsniffer

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-drooling-emoji-emoji-crying-drooling-emoji-happy-drooling-emoji-gif-6899721813820481235

[near vapor]

sump?

[manic wolf]

It isnt. Its players who are toxic

[near vapor]

oh I disagree very much on that

[sullen ridge]

i like scoreboard it makes me feel like i was useful

[near vapor]

Ive it uninstalled for a longtime now

[manic wolf]

I just use it as a yardstick for builds unless someone does truly spectacularly badly, then I'll laugh at it (not give them grief about it tho)

[zenith fern]

bro thinks he is a dev

[manic wolf]

Did have someone get 21 kills over the course of an Auric match the other day tho. That was sort of tilting, and no, he was there the whole game, not a late joiner

[sullen ridge]

whats the blessings on bolt pistol for yall

run and gun and lethal prox?

[near vapor]

run n gun & puncture

[hasty agate]

What buff from the stim supply would yall expect or be grateful for the most?

The strength/crit line is non negotiable, but for 3 more nodes would you want cdr, attk spd or toughness?

[sullen ridge]

puncture doesnt apply bleed to people hit by the explosion

[near vapor]

ig attack speed

I think I run brittleness blessing on the impact heavy bolt pistol

[sullen ridge]

cdrs always a safe bet everyone likes cooldowns

[near vapor]

I dont like that variant

[sullen ridge]

hive scum gets no heavy bolt pistol

sadge

[zenith fern]

surgical, run and gun and puncture

[sullen ridge]

perhaps i misinterpreted puncture

interpreted

wtf

[zenith fern]

free bleed on hit

[sullen ridge]

misjudged

[zenith fern]

it the hit does not kill them, let them bleed out

[rigid dock]

puncture gets kills that you dont get on shot occasionally

[sullen ridge]

the hits should kill them before i have to wait for bleed

i want them dead NOW!!!! NOW NOW NOW!!!!!

hmmm which mark? single target or aoe?

aoe feels kinda like hot ass

and interrupts your carefully managed horde a lot

[unkempt tide]

just kill em

[manic wolf]

I really like AoE Boltpistol on Scum. Works as a Blackout grenade with 80 rounds. Doesnt do much to Ogryns tho

But thats what the RPG is for 😄

[sullen ridge]

my favorite panic button

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/rpg-bazooka-oops-run-gif-13839531

[young herald]

it instantly stops reapers in their tracks, at least

it's really useful for just turning off ranged damage

[tight musk]

Has anyone tested if Quick and Deadly works for melee?

[shy scroll]

curious question but does the damage increase its poison damage overall? or is poison stable damage?

[dense hollow]

quick and deadly works on all damage, including dot and melee

[tight musk]

So it's perfect for my chemist saw and needle build, alright.

[young herald]

damage stat on the needle gun is only the direct impact damage on the needle

the difference between 60% and 80% is negligible, maybe even 0 outright. 'swhy damage is the dump stat on it

[zenith fern]

Only direct hit as far i know

[shy scroll]

ah thanks i had a feeling about this since most games weird with this stuff

[random shuttle]

As I live and breath!

[winter tusk]

ITS THE GRAND CHAMPION

[random shuttle]

just encountered a Speed Zealot. I thought that was an exctinct breed.

[winter tusk]

STANDING NEXT TO ME...

[digital drift]

what perks/blessing do you run on it?

[patent bone]

Did they rush past enemies or actually fight?

[random shuttle]

Rush past everything

[patent bone]

Looks like we got a clock watcher on our hands

[rare stirrup]

Nature is healing......

[manic wolf]

At the moment Puncture + Lethal prox because thats what i had for the original MK, but im gonna mess with other blessings later on

[rose flax]

does mercy killer work with toxin too?

[young herald]

https://tenor.com/bfCxi.gif

[random shuttle]

It was event mission too

with altars

he rushed past 1 altar, we stood there, summoned the fight

he died alone 200m away

we revive him and theres a second altar NEXT to revive spot

he runs away

A Bona Fide Zealot Classic

Brought a tear to my eye ||of anger||

[rare stirrup]

What is this, 2023?

[calm aurora]

Mercy killer works on bleed.

[random shuttle]

yesterday, or was it Friday, I also encountered the rarest gems of all

Toxic Ogryn

[zenith fern]

what has he done to be one called toxic ogryn

[ionic python]

Don't we call those Plogryns?

[random shuttle]

Oh a classic set - bitched and whines that people are not playing the game right; Not killing what he can't kill, not being in positions, pushing too fast AND lagging behind. He also went to every open space to go down and then whined and cried about how everyone else sucks because he keeps going down 😄

[zenith fern]

you know what level they were? lmao

[random shuttle]

pretty high, like 800-900

[ionic python]

Oof; I always get that feeling of "hey guy, you should know better by now" when I see them that high a level. But I know that would mean gating content (which opens up a whole nother can of worms)

[dreamy goblet]

What do we think is the strongest h40 build of hive scum?

[dense hollow]

dual autopistols desperado

[young herald]

Desperado, it's not even a question

You're functionally immortal with infinite ammo and ridiculous damage

[dreamy goblet]

Solid. Dual auto pistols all the way then

[random shuttle]

Since Scum is only class that doesn't use ammo for shooting it's only only class in H40 that can go full Ranged with zero dependencies or issues

[young herald]

The most fun hive scum build, however, is when you hop on that meat bicycle and become the conductor of the poop train

[dense hollow]

desperado is the strongest but also the most boring to me

[random shuttle]

I love Rampaggio Scummo

[dense hollow]

so i only use rampage and stim supply

[random shuttle]

Rampaggio Scummo feels more high risk high reward

[young herald]

It is

[dense hollow]

i have a single build slot that's desperado and everything else is rampage and stim supply

[random shuttle]

need to be in the THICC of it

Also DAP is poo poo kaka dookie boo boo

IAG Vraks is the real deal

[dense hollow]

DB gives you style points

[young herald]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a086ba12-2d12-456f-82c0-231dee223a07/ride-the-meat-bicycle i just run this forever

Sometimes swap out the chaxe for the heavy sword when i wanna be classy

[hearty nexus]

nice XD

[ionic python]

How does Brauto compare to IAG for Scum?

[fair oar]

Dual pistols can never be boring to me. I love that archetype

[wispy belfry]

I just wish the dual pistols had some actual crit chance

not the measly 5

like the autopistols get innately

[drifting heron]

Autopistols have no innate crit

Stub pistols have like 12% or smth

[random shuttle]

Innate Weapons Crit Chance:
Shivs: +12.5%
Bone Saw: +5%
DAP: +5%
Stubs: +5%

[drifting heron]

Oh nvm its 5% for both

Whatever

[wispy belfry]

dual autopistols do have crits

its just not shown

like combat blade

[wispy belfry]

brautos are great btw

[final temple]

sometimes I feel mentally challenged. where is that stat visible again?

[wispy belfry]

agrip has good stagger, similar to the normal autopistol, and graia has the fast fire mode with still good accuracy

[random shuttle]

Visible? In FS game!?

[toxic dagger]

In the game files

[random shuttle]

It's a secret stat you need a mod to see

[toxic dagger]

Not in the UI

[final temple]

as I said. Mentally challenged.

[young herald]

It should be somewhere in the weapon templates if you go check the git repo with the source code iirc

Other than that, you've just gotta guess

[random shuttle]

That's ofc how every game tells players important info on gear

[young herald]

It's true

I should find the crit stat in the template and add it to my mod though

Now that I'm thinking about it

[velvet iris]

question, what does Strength do for HS? is it damage, a boost to their ability? idk what it is

[drifting heron]

Damage cleave and stagger

[random shuttle]

Strength is a stat that increases DMG, Cleave and Impact

[velvet iris]

thank ya guys So much ❤️

[velvet iris]

also Legends of Avantris pfp. niceeee

[young herald]

Strength is also multiplicative with buffs to any of those individual other stats as well

E.g., if you have a 20% and 30% strength buff for 50% total strength and and 15% and 35% damage buff for 50% total damage, you end up doing 1.5 x 1.5 = 2.25x damage in the end

[velvet iris]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a097216b-773c-4986-af10-31bf9b4b1d1c/rattail-build

how's this look for my HS Build?

[dense hollow]

toughness regeneration on curios is a noob trap

[velvet iris]

[dense hollow]

that only affects your coherency regen, which deactivates when you're in combat making it a dead stat when you actually need it

[velvet iris]

i'll replace them with Combat ability regen then

or corruption resistancew

[dense hollow]

the perks on the weapons are really weird, it's much better to just have damage vs x armor type in 98% of the cases

[left dragon]

does "attack speed" on your custom stim affect ranged as well as melee?

[velvet iris]

it can help reload speed but i think that's it

[left dragon]

neat, thanks :D

[velvet iris]

bare in mind. i don't go for meta build. Just fun builds that i enjoy. this build is all about Melee, with a bit of gun play

[mild lintel]

Всем привет помогите ошибка 2014 пс5

[velvet iris]

https://tenor.com/view/the-shusher-bat-staff-rod-gif-8855179341029231927

POV your a rotter i found on the street

[zenith fern]

Feels fun to be complimented (I am Hobbie)

I was just trying bonesaw stim supply build and got queued to train

[left dragon]

i am now officially #TeamScum :D

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[left dragon]

♥️

[rose flax]

Not toxins though?

[grand jewel]

it do specify lol

[obtuse pagoda]

this is about what i have landed on after playing around with ranged scum. any feedback like bugged nodes or something powerful i have missed?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a0972e62-6d44-4f42-9e9e-9559cdb95774

[grand jewel]

that is your setup for ranged?

[obtuse pagoda]

yes, i just dont shoot crushers and use knife there

[grand jewel]

and you skip the infinite ammo ability?

[obtuse pagoda]

no, i have pickpocket

[grand jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082381934602240090/1203652821841608744/skill_issue.gif

[obtuse pagoda]

i started out with desperado, but honestly if i just dont spray random hordes you have infinite ammo anyway. at that point all it does it give you rending and a bit of damage, which was only useful to be moderately good at crushers combined with stim?

or am i missing something here?

stimm supply seems to be much better value

[grand jewel]

what makes it better value?

[obtuse pagoda]

i can use a maxed stim instead of just one tree. and have much higher stim uptime, and easier to stack chem dependency for more consistent buffs. which lets me take out crushers easier or be better at melee if i need / want to use it.

[keen timber]

Gets you closer to vultures and gives you fuckloads of move speed too. Also makes you auto dodge ranged attacks so u can just totally ignore half the enemies in the map

[grand jewel]

unless it was changed very recently, stim supply doesn't give chem dependancy stacks

[obtuse pagoda]

it was

[rapid mango]

supposedly it was fixed

[grand jewel]

but even then

[obtuse pagoda]

and if you stim first, then use the ability, you get 2

[grand jewel]

you're just doing a buff setup and calling it ranged

you do you but

ill stick with infinite ammo squared and funny vultures

[keen timber]

Pretty sure that then means ur supply doesn’t actually give ur stim buffs though.

Which is fine if ur playing selfish wit it, but then despacito is right there

[obtuse pagoda]

what do you mean? why would it not?

[final temple]

honestly, supply and chem dep still have no worthwhile synergy.

[grand jewel]

because if you use your stim, you don't have it for the supply to use

[final temple]

in order for the supply to give the stimm buff, your stimm must be off cd. which it isn’t if you use it ahead of deploying supply.

[grand jewel]

yea

you get your supply back from having CDR and then

nothing

woe is no stim

[rapid mango]

apparently chem dep was SUPPOSED to be stim cooldown related not ability CD, but some idiot thought ability CDR in the keystone below "when stim available, give ability immediately" ability node was a good idea

[keen timber]

and the keystone doesn’t even work on the stim so it doesn’t work the other way around so even if u had the Cdr you wouldn’t have the stim to make the ability worth dropping

[grand jewel]

vultures gives similar crit to chem dep anyway

[final temple]

chem dep needs to reduce stim cd. only then it would make sense.

you could even nerf it to like 5% per stack in order to avoid it being too strong with sample collector

[obtuse pagoda]

ah right, yea it is more that you have the option to do it early on to get the stacks up. but good point.

[final temple]

THEN you could use it to reduce supply cd and run CDR on the stim itself if you want to use it for desp/rampage

[keen timber]

5 less Crit but it also gives damage and movespd and has vultures dodge

Pretty easy choice imo

[grand jewel]

depends if you're running 4 stacks on chem dep too

[obtuse pagoda]

but they also fall off, vs being 100% uptime

[keen timber]

It needs less nodes too

[toxic dagger]

I think this is the right clip?

[keen timber]

What difficulty are you playing that ur stacks aren’t like 90% uptime

Lmao

[toxic dagger]

Yeah it is. @obtuse pagoda this is why you take desperado

[keen timber]

They drop and u get them back almost instantly

[keen timber]

Ngl I was waiting for you to dodge off that bridge

[grand jewel]

thats not hank

[lost ravine]

ratatata

[keen timber]

Oh fair enough

[flat mist]

Stimm supply always gives stimm buffs if you just exit and re-enter the aoe (as in even if your stimm is on cd)

[rapid mango]

i watched two different scum fall off that bridge in the exact same spot, 30s apart

[keen timber]

lol?

[flat mist]

Not joking, try it

[toxic dagger]

Not mine, 📸 @novel oracle

[rapid mango]

wanna know another goofy thing about supply?

[obtuse pagoda]

with scum i only play auric so far

[rapid mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1448069748716994672/infinite_crates.gif

[stiff radish]

I noticed I had a stimm ability at all times...what does it do?

[lost ravine]

from the abyss they came, and to the abyss they shall return

[grand jewel]

drugs

[stiff radish]

That do what?

[keen timber]

Gives you stat boosts, you pick which

[rapid mango]

whatever you make them do

[toxic dagger]

It does what you decide it does in the Stimm Lab

[keen timber]

You should have no issue keeping vultures stacked then

[grand jewel]

go to stimm lab in mourningstar and pick the nodes

[stiff radish]

Ohhhh

[grand jewel]

does what you decide it does

[stiff radish]

That's pretty cool

[lost ravine]

can it just be refreshing and hydrate you

[keen timber]

Hydrate you with meth?

[rapid mango]

probably

[keen timber]

If vets have a krak nade, can scum have a crack nade?

[stiff radish]

You can't use it on your teammates can you?

[wispy belfry]

highly viscose meth '

[lost ravine]

can you share the needle and use it on teammates?

[rapid mango]

no

[final temple]

with stim supply you can

[grand jewel]

with stim suppl

fuck

https://tenor.com/view/rat-attack-rat-attack-have-at-thee-gif-11648161592664583090

[stiff radish]

Ahh

[lost ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920016996752564286/1274487631987605674/GVHX15RXoAApby3-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[stiff radish]

[fallen void]

best melee to pair with dual autos on enhanced desperado gun build?

[obtuse pagoda]

its not an issue, just another thing you dont need to think about otherwise. what stim would you use with a desperado + vulture build?

[final temple]

shivs. need the least investment to be solid by themselves. alternatively combat knife for the same reason.

[fallen void]

ok

btw is enhanced desperado+stub pistols viable

[grand jewel]

that it does

thats dumb

but also

fair enough

[final temple]

viable? yes. most efficient? no. autos and shredder overtake them easily.

[grand jewel]

short term goofyness to fix the fact that the keystone is silly

[flat mist]

More scum jank

[fallen void]

so are they better with the chem nade

[verbal dew]

I've been using braced autogun just for the feel of it

[final temple]

no. nothing you do will make them better than autos or shredder on scum.

unless you deliberately misbuild your weapons

[fallen void]

shame

[final temple]

they are a solid sidearm choice for melee builds

if you really don’t want needler

[fallen void]

aight cool

i think im gonna make builds for scum with every ability

[final temple]

next tuesday should be some minor corrections and fixes, I suppose. After that FS goes into hibernation for a while

[verbal dew]

adrenaline frenzy is prob my least liked keystone

[final temple]

how come?

[wispy belfry]

for me its because i could grab swift endurance and the sweet spot for effectively the same thing

and grab another keystone

[dense hollow]

weak spot damage doesn't boost most weapons by 25% melee dmg

only the tac axe really

maybe the combat knife

[final temple]

yeah. weakspot only adds to the ‘additional damage’ part. not overall damage.

[verbal dew]

yeah ig I've just been really sold on tac axe rampage lately

[final temple]

I guess that one loves chem dep

[verbal dew]

and chem dependency is my preferred for that

[final temple]

more crit, faster cooldowns. makes sense.

[verbal dew]

I did like it with crowbar when I was leveling that

[final temple]

I’m not much of a fan of vultures, simply cause I don’t enjoy most ranged play outside of vet and rumbler

[verbal dew]

I have it on a stimm supply stub pistol build which I enjoy

[tight musk]

Am I weird for not really liking the higher rarity armor cosmetics on scum?
I like the high tier pants, but for chest piece I prefer the more basic ones. They kinda just show off more of the full body tattoos the scum gets, especially on boy scum, and the high tier ones are kinda too much armor for someone who dies in 1.5 hits anyway.

[candid flint]

disagree that its 'too much armor'

your vitals are still very very much exposed lol

[rough peak]

who needs vitals when you got style?

-dead guardsman

That's how you know who the main character is... exposed vitals/head

full kevlar suit? 1st one to die...
exposed chest and face? kills everyone

[final temple]

Most people I have seen either go full armor or nekid.

[tight musk]

Do I need any armor at all if I have the Emperor himself protecting my vitals?

[worn moss]

I don't have the Hive Scum myself but, i have been wondering about something, now in most cases you want to have your special Cartel Stim as they're superior but.
How does Stim Supply work a regular w/ Healing Stims? does "dancing" in and out of the AoE re-apply the healing stim allowing you to heal to full?

[grand jewel]

I hope they break something fundamental to the class before they leave

[final temple]

It would not be surprising. At all.

[grand jewel]

no

and the healing effect only applies when the crate is first placed

does not apply afterwards

[worn moss]

Fair enough, sad.

[eager violet]

Hey there, any good melee build to advise? Double knife and/or crowbar

[final temple]

check the pins for basic recommendations.

[rigid dock]

Heartwarrming: this mafia scum worships God just like the good old days

[final temple]

meta is still forming so that’s of course still TBD

[candid flint]

i reccomend dual shivs over crobar

crobar is cool, but rn it cannot compete with the shivs at all. in a way, the crobar is kind of antithetical to the class unfortunately

the class is all about speed, crits, dodging, movement

crobar is slower, less crit based, and forces you to stand still to get big damage

[eager violet]

Yeah I play it kinda like a zealot on meth

Used only the dual shive for now

[candid flint]

whereas shivs just have big damage and unimpeded movement

[eager violet]

Going to check the pinned build

[final temple]

you could of course just use the bonesaw. hefty like the crowbar and gets mulching pretty quickly..,

[dim moth]

it do be big damage tho

[grand jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395345902851461210/1448030398381559818/image.png?ex=693fb5a6&is=693e6426&hm=31a5898d187bc933658e3e49311f63c9d985ef83e1eafc4389491f1e74cbe16b&

I've been running sort of this, ive changed some points but I cbf launching to see which, I just know I got pickpocket at some point, running needle pistol mkII and Mk1 shivs, shivs have riposte and uncanny

[dim moth]

and of course rare source of stagger on stagger starved class

[candid flint]

this is my chem/bleed melee shiv build

[grand jewel]

but that setup does unnatural things to everything short of a monstrosity and it still good at duelling them because of how mobile scum is

[final temple]

are the adjacent adrenaline nodes even worth it? attack speed directly translates to toughness with precision and the 20s duration is interesting but I just dunno.

[dense hollow]

you need 20s duration if you don't take adrenaline smiter

tax node but you need it for 100% uptime

[grand jewel]

20s duration is just freedom, toughness is just extra on top

[final temple]

gotcha

[grand jewel]

I can send you a clip if you want to see that build in action

[eager violet]

Im going to try it 😉

[final temple]

yeah that’s the thing. I felt like I rather take uncontrolled aggression for easier staking

[grand jewel]

with how much crit it already has I have no problems stacking adrenaline

no point taking other nodes

and they make you worse against single target

[final temple]

hm. fair.

[winter tusk]

This clip is from July or some shit

Oop

Bursters but wrong one

Perfectly functional

[grand jewel]

[winter tusk]

The fucked hit boxes are recent, but it definitely feels like their pathing has been whack for a while

[cedar cairn]

The real pox burster was inside you all along

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-hold-up-gif-23014339

[left dragon]

do levels get progressively harder to attain?

[keen timber]

pure cdr

[rare stirrup]

Yes

[left dragon]

it's gonna take me a couple days to unlock bolt pistol so :(

[rare stirrup]

But as you level you unlock higher diffs that give more xp so it cancels out in terms of time

[left dragon]

oh ok :o

[vast yoke]

you can honestly get to 30 in one day even if you avoid xp exploits haha

if you wanna do it the legit way once you get to good enough level to handle heresy just fine to a bunch of heresy maelstroms, they give about as much xp as aurics but are easier

[left dragon]

i see 🤔

[thorny ginkgo]

what's the best way to get diamantine?

[north saddle]

Wow

Just wow.

I just played with a fellow hiver that called me the r word because i didnt drop the ammo crate exactly when he wanted ....

His ammo counter was yellow (so half full) when he wanted it. Also, what hiver doesnt take pickpocket? Especially when running needle pistol

[zenith pagoda]

Can hyper violence still 1 shot bosses?

[north saddle]

First time in a while i had to report someone.

[calm aurora]

When did it?

[zenith pagoda]

Cole showed it a while back

[rotund agate]

I can't afford pickpocket with needler as a melee build, but needler has so much ammo reserve compared to zarona revolver that I don't really need pickpocket on the mk6 needler...

[hidden timber]

Learn all the maps and all the possible loot spawns. Check them quickly and collect the diamantine and plasteel every game.

Hive Scum is fast so it's easier than with Ogryn or something.

[thorny ginkgo]

thx

[vast yoke]

also dont forget to sell any unused yellows/purples

[thorny ginkgo]

i didnt know that

where do i sell?

[echo python]

It's the Discard Items option in your inventory

[thorny ginkgo]

ooh

thank you guys

[echo python]

Anything you discard gets you money and possibly materials if it's of a high enough rarity

Also, higher difficulties will have more diamantine in them

[tight hornet]

the blessing Hot-Shot in the Needle Pistol that increases cleave, what does cleave do exactly

[calm aurora]

Go through hitmass

A lone pox has a hitmass of 1

[tight hornet]

how does this hitmass thing works

[echo python]

Enemies have hitmass, each of your attacks have a cleave budget. Hitting an enemy subtracts its hitmass from your cleave budget, if it hits 0 the attack stops.

[tight hornet]

the attack stops like it stuns them?

[calm aurora]

Meaning you're doing dmg to several targets until it's 0

[echo python]

The attack doesn't hit anymore enemies after the cleave budget hits 0

[tight hornet]

ah so its like the bullet passes through the enemy?

[echo python]

Yes

Basically, more cleave = more enemies hit.

I think staggered enemies also get reduced hitmass while they're staggered, but I forgot where I read that

[random shuttle]

Enemies under Tox DOT also have reduced hitmass

which is nice

[tight hornet]

Im trying to make a build for the pistol I was playing with someone earlier and they had a cool build that demolished hordes

[rustic zinc]

Wait, that's just a secondary effect of tox dot?

[tight hornet]

I forgot to ask the build

[random shuttle]

yerp

[rustic zinc]

Fancy (thanks!)

[calm aurora]

You remember the class and the pistol?

[tight hornet]

hivescum needle pistol

everything was exploding

[eternal egret]

does blessed stimms talent effect stimm supply???

[calm aurora]

Oh ok so that's not a blessing. That's the special on mk6

[lapis raft]

not with the linger at least

[calm aurora]

It makes people explode. Mk2 is contagion.

[north saddle]

Dont bite my head off but for me pickpocket is almost mandatory on any hiver build

[random shuttle]

Ah sorry, correction, don't want you leavin' without proper info: it's not the toxin dot itself but the TOX nade area that does hitmass reduction

[vast yoke]

made me giggle

[rustic zinc]

Ah, okay that does change htings a lot haha

[final temple]

independence from ammo pickups is nice, for sure. But it is a comfort point for melee scum. not mandatory.

[keen timber]

Yeah it’s not worth it on melee often I don’t think

[final temple]

that said, as I usually take HC anyways, that one tiny bit of comfort is snuck in easier than a load of stimm in my prison wallet.

[woeful trellis]

below havoc there is also so much ammo lying around, you can probably just sustain from ammo drops as long as you aren't using needler 24/7

[spark bough]

is Health or Toughness preferred with HS or a combination of the 2? doesnt seem worth it going full into toughness.

[sturdy linden]

2x toughness 1x stam

Some chads use 3x stam as well

[spark bough]

ye, i use 3 stam on my Melee build, ive been using 3 toughness on my Gunner HS though since ive not really had an issue with keeping toughness but it doesnt seem worth it going over 125 since all it takes is one hit even when im at 163 toughness and it'll be under 100 anyways.

[dim moth]

oh my god me

[sturdy linden]

Chads in the house

[lost ravine]

friendship ended with gun psyker, now tox scum is your best friend?

[sturdy linden]

I'm too used to playing tanky stuff so I stick to 2x toughness 1x stam

[zealous ravine]

4x stam hive scum 🔥 🔥

[north saddle]

In my defense, i am drunk 😂

[dim moth]

wdym I was gun veteran before

https://tenor.com/view/balenciagaval-dog-close-up-gif-22952484

[rotund agate]

same here, actually. Except that I used HP curios instead of toughness ones when levelling up (I didn't find any toughness curios before level 30 for some reason...?)

[north saddle]

Fair enough. I usually use bolt pistol anyway as melee scum and i can pretty much go with my Initial ammo reserve all game since all that i shoot are trappers and bombers and the rest catches THESE HANDS™️

[radiant swift]

very similar experience with the needle gun a lot of the time

[final temple]

pretty much. in havoc that changes drastically tho

[north saddle]

I love myself. I dont play havoc

[rotund agate]

I sometimes shoot monsters with needler as melee scum, if its too risky for me to spam heavies at it...

[broken bear]

Honestly I don’t take pickpocket

I’m in desperado 99% of the time like…

[spark bough]

i forgot about the heads exploding on some enemies in the Event missions, i was stuck in a small room with the rest of the squad and was thrown around like a ping pong ball.

[radiant swift]

ts so ass

[north saddle]

Fair enough. Toxin carries

I love pickpocket. Probably ny favorite talent tree node. Youre more or less never without ammo, especially on higher diffs

[vale mortar]

Tox nade is just

So pretty

I lure a whole hive layer into a room

And just

The killfeed go brrrr

[north saddle]

Tox nade is everything the zealots flame grenade wishes to be 😂

[vale mortar]

For real

Not to mention the infinite ammo

Hoard clear on hoard clear

Crushers are my only problem these days

Same as arby tho

[keen timber]

i remember when flame nades got buffed and became good

[north saddle]

Tox grenade is the guy flame grenade is told by their wife not to worry about

[keen timber]

2 yhears ago

[vale mortar]

2 years ago

[keen timber]

no tox grenade is actively cucking flames and flames know it

[vale mortar]

Zealot as a whole got kinda cucked with this class tho

Aside from the funny hammer. And support zel. I see almost no reason for him no more

[north saddle]

#deletezealot. Spread the good word

[tall dome]

so what are the combos for bonesaw?

[keen timber]

i > melee weapon > unequip

does bonesaw get brutal?

[tall dome]

so funny i forgot to laugh

[north saddle]

Real pros only play with Chain axe

[tall dome]

i can play chainaxe on 3 other classes.

[radiant swift]

gets shock and awe which is half brutal

[tall dome]

four even

[north saddle]

Chainaxe and vigilant autogun, best ganger weapon loadout

[final temple]

reasonable takes? in this economy?!

[keen timber]

Do you?

[north saddle]

Grab'em while they are hot

[tall dome]

yeah?

[keen timber]

like i think that's a valid take, it's wh

ok fair enough

[tall dome]

8 build slots before mods

at least one of them has a chainaxe

i'd use one on the big man if i had one him sized

[sturdy linden]

Horde clear: PA->heavy followed by light spam or just PA into lights
Single target: H1 for the rip, light, heavy, repeat

[severe zephyr]

what's yor opinion overall of the bandit hive scum on the end game matchs?

[tall dome]

is it worth swapping to purple poison

[keen timber]

bandit?

[tall dome]

for the heavies

[sturdy linden]

Honestly I don't feel so

[final temple]

light > heavy for hordes, heavy > light for carapace. or just light spam.

[brittle sierra]

What's a bandit?

[severe zephyr]

i mean the gun specific tree, it's called bandit on my lenguage

[keen timber]

just call it ranged

ranged scum is good

very good

[brittle sierra]

Wait we have subclasses in this game?????

[sturdy linden]

The purple gives rending but you're already stacking so much tox on Saw that carapace falls over pretty quick

[final temple]

technically for carapace and bosses but tox just works fine.

[keen timber]

i mean technically each tree generally leans towards a different setup and they probably do have names

[tall dome]

so what's the blessings then? Shock and Awe seems like a no brainer, but the second is tough...

[dim moth]

uh yeah why do you think each talent tree has 3 distinct paths

[tall dome]

shred for crit?

[sturdy linden]

Shred or Deci

[tall dome]

valid

[sturdy linden]

Shred for more tox, Deci for more hit

[tall dome]

and then cara/unyield?

[sturdy linden]

I use flak/carapace

[tall dome]

fair

[brittle sierra]

Shred

The majority of damage is from the dot

[sturdy linden]

Because for some reason Saw has terrible flak ADM

[tall dome]

i'll probably pair it with a needle pistol for cara's

[final temple]

decimator for general damage, shred if you want crit procs. wrath if you want more cleave, altho at that point rather take BS or BM and go for the previous too

[severe zephyr]

can someone share a decent build for "RANGED" hive scum

[dim moth]

chem toxin doesn't :)

[sturdy linden]

I know but sometimes I need the Saw to kill a flak target in one hit

[keen timber]

im not surprised the dot application weapon doesn't do that well if im being honest

[dim moth]

with chem toxin

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07a1191-d386-4a2b-8511-26c27b84718e/professional-vicodin-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[final temple]

‘that well’? in comparison to the all time favourites and shivs, yeah. it’s still very solid.

[severe zephyr]

wow! i though bandit meta would be dual, that's interesting, thanks

[keen timber]

doesn't do that well (oneshot things)

[brittle sierra]

Dual what?

[keen timber]

do that well as in do a specific thing well

[severe zephyr]

dual guns? i mean i'm talking about ranged hs

[final temple]

idk. I oneshot everything below mauler with my bone doctor build, without stimm but with the usual ramp up of stacks.

and mauler are reliable two shot

[sturdy linden]

The saw h1 is actually incredibly strong

[brittle sierra]

Dual pistols are dog

Dual Uzis are ok, but they lose damage after 15 meters