hivescum-class

[wheat rune]

thanks!

[broken bear]

yea

[zenith fern]

It pretty much a single shot for higher stagger and stuff

[broken bear]

went from a large captive bead hoop to a click in hoop

[zenith fern]

it quite badass and full of aura when you shoot that sniper after spinning your stub

[radiant swift]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

[broken moss]

downgrade imo. unless ur really on point with always hitting weakspots but even then idk. i never take it.

[radiant swift]

good on shivs

since lights are so horizontal you can just park your camera at head height

[broken moss]

youd think

im aiming head level constantly but my weak spot rate is still only like 50-60% with shivs

and imo youd need like 75%+ to even start to make that perk good

at 50% its effectively the same thing as just not having it

[halcyon apex]

Huh, You didn't get a straight bar put in whilst it was healing?

[cedar cairn]

Did Rashad Scum or Adrenaline ever turn out to be a high level thing

[radiant swift]

cept with the other talent, it then renables the ability to get stacks w/o kills

as far as I can tell at least

[broken moss]

what talent?

[radiant swift]

adrenaline smiter

[broken moss]

yea but you get that regardless

theres no extra benefit to the other ability with smiter. its just a good perk

youre still losing out on all stacks coming from non weak spot hits

[radiant swift]

yes but now you can still build up stacks on purely single target

vs not being able to do so at all

[broken moss]

unless it kills, but again if you didnt have that other perk youd still get the on-kill bonus plus whatever stacks you build up along the way

mind u that smiter only procs on killing blows

[light goblet]

Adrenaline assassin isn't good on its own but it enables you to boss if you want to play adrenaline smiter

[broken moss]

on my shiv build i have smiter and stoked rage

[light goblet]

If you just had smiter and no assassin you'd struggle vs heftier targets when you're not getting kills

[radiant swift]

upon further testing

it doesn't allow it to stack at least in psyk

[light goblet]

That feels weird?

What does happen if you take both then

[radiant swift]

that's what I mean

[light goblet]

Do you only get stacks off weakpoint kills then?

[radiant swift]

so nvm I concede it sucks as far as I can tell

[light goblet]

That seems like a bug probably, those should either work together or lock you out of taking both

[radiant swift]

they do somewhat stack

weakspot kills only and it grants 7

[broken bear]

studs heal like shit in my ears, they get snagged in my hair 24/7

[light goblet]

Thats so high risk no reward though

[radiant swift]

I almost don't want either now tbh, but I imagine smitter is still good

[light goblet]

Smiter seems good if you bring boom bringer

Just send the monster to jesus big E to keep your stacks up

[halcyon apex]

Relatable

[cedar cairn]

I should try Smiter with Combat Axe

[tender marten]

I think all the adrenaline mods are really just weapon specific.

I'd be incredibly hard pressed to claim any one is strictly best.

(Other than the tgh/s one, that one is goated)

[broken bear]

It’s so worth tho

[limber cradle]

Yeah that's still fine

Sorry

Got distracted

[broken bear]

ur good lol

[bronze glade]

you could be right

[radiant swift]

since it doesn't stack with smiter nicely I feel like they are

at least in psyk*

[tender marten]

keep in mind that your crits will still offer +2

[bronze glade]

yeah ik

[tender marten]

or +1 rather

[astral canyon]

Anyone have a rampage crowbar build?

[tender marten]

the wording is so fucken word

[bronze glade]

still sucks

even with something that has really flat sweeps like shivs

[tender marten]

i didnt realize for example that the on-kill one was 15 stacks for an elite kill not 10 lmao

[bronze glade]

weakspot rate is lower than you might expect

[astral canyon]

Almost done leveling my scum and i want to finish it with that build

[astral canyon]

Goddamn

[lost token]

Didn't think about that angle to things.

Hm...

[tender marten]

on-hit is just too generous to give up, especially if you're the guy who has monster aggro

[astral canyon]

Fair enough

And as long as you have the 20s durarion subnode its pretty easy to have full uptime regardless

[astral canyon]

Anyways does anyone have a setup for this they can recommend?

[bronze glade]

i can't in good conscience recommend anyone use crowbar

so i can't provide a build

[exotic temple]

Yeah check pins Cole has a guide for most of the hs specific weapons

I have ideas how to make crowbar work but I got 13 days before I get back to decent internet

[zenith pagoda]

https://youtu.be/2XJW3eh-pUs

[halcyon apex]

I have similar.

[mighty belfry]

Omg no keystone. Build is automatically bad!!!

[zenith pagoda]

Could do no melee too

[mighty belfry]

This must be some kind of modded lobby. It isn't possible!!!

Real talk I genuinely just don't run keystones with crate.

[zenith fern]

got to say keystoneless is quite insane i never thought doing ever

for any class

[zealous ravine]

dont worry admech will be able to spend keystone points on the augment tab for the firist keystoneless build

[mighty belfry]

This class has a lot of good operative nodes that make it worth forgoing keystones

At least on crate builds

[zenith pagoda]

Well for this build, I have practiced deployment so chem dependency is useless, also adrenaline is useless because it's ranged

Atm vultures mark doesn't work for needle pistol but hopefully they fix that

[zealous ravine]

cdr on chem dependency fatshar whyyy

gimme stimm cdr so i can inject more drugs

i wanna cosplay barotrauma medics when they inject like 20 syringes of fentanyl into the security officer

[narrow dagger]

does mark 3 shivs cleave horde better than mark 1 or is it just heavy attacks that change

[broken moss]

are we certain about that? the way that perk reads, if its not a weakspot hit it flat grants none

almost feel youd take that node only on a build without good crit

[zealous ravine]

the slashy shivs have a bit more cleave on lights i believe

[narrow dagger]

alr i will try

thanks

[broken moss]

can confirm, with either smiter or assassin, u get no stacks without their respective conditions

[sullen ridge]

stubs opinion?

[tender marten]

ye

[sullen ridge]

i think theyre the best all rounders but ive heard otherwise

just hurts my fingey

[broken moss]

its not tho.

[zealous ravine]

do dual stubbers not have hold fire?

i play modded so i have no idea

[broken moss]

in meat grinder testing right now

if u have one of those selected, dont matter how much u wail on a boss it will not proc a stack of adrenaline

[snow ether]

Good for a melee build that doesnt invest much in ranged

[bronze glade]

mid

[astral canyon]

Mk3 has noticeably faster attack speed on light attack chain

[zealous ravine]

they're by far the most fun guns in this game

[zealous ravine]

spinny

[broken moss]

i love stubs. personally.

[astral canyon]

Which is what you actually use for horde clear instead of heavies

[broken moss]

i dont think they do the ultra giga broken damage of daps but they do plenty and are more fun

[zealous ravine]

i tried the mk3 shivs for 3m and i just was like uh nope not happening and switched back

[bronze glade]

they're very funny tho

[zenith fern]

fun and great sidearms for elites and special kills

[bronze glade]

i mean you give up like 50% dps agaisnt carapace vs mk1

but they're very funny

[zealous ravine]

naw that moveset is not jolly

[zenith fern]

no, tap firing

[zealous ravine]

why do they keep doing this

[broken moss]

cuz its fun

[zenith fern]

I mean for stubs is better that way

[zealous ravine]

idk it hurty hand

[broken moss]

holding lmb for 45 mins is boring as shit

[zenith fern]

I tried full auto mod and it is quite dumb

because of the recoil going up

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/uvgh4Lu6hWl.gif

[tender marten]

i like the slashies

its literally just crushers that give it pause and i mean

who cares

i either have a needle gun or a fucken rocket launcher, or both

[zealous ravine]

hive scum might have the best blitz selection in this game

[tender marten]

TIME TO START THE MUSIC

[zealous ravine]

other classes i only really consider 1 or 2 blitzes

hive scum i consider all 3

[turbid fulcrum]

That dog is way too fat. It needs a diet, not a treat.

[tender marten]

ngl, chem grenade i dont consider at all

[astral canyon]

true

[zealous ravine]

but grem grenade is funny explosions tho

what did i just type

grem

[tender marten]

id rather funny big explosion

[tender marten]

id actually vote veteran as best blitzes

[zealous ravine]

idk this is just quite jolly to me

[tender marten]

they have one for every role you might want

[zealous ravine]

i'd literally never take smoke grenade so uh lol

[tender marten]

smokes are hella underrated man

[zealous ravine]

they do not neuron activation fo me

[zenith fern]

fine green mist yes? hehe

[zealous ravine]

its quite jolly

[regal halo]

Im gonna take a wild guess and assume untouchable isnt good?

[zealous ravine]

its goofy

idk if it has any real value

[bronze glade]

yeah not worth

[astral canyon]

i would only really say theyre that good when you consider vet's ability to print out a shitton of charges for their blitzes

[zealous ravine]

psy might have the worst blitz selection nowadays

ones hecking smite after all

[bronze glade]

eh?

i mean smite can be strong

[tender marten]

untouchable would be a pathing consideration but ......... not anymore lol

[regal halo]

I like my Palpatine hands

[bronze glade]

i think ogryn has the worst blitzes

[zealous ravine]

ogryns fine

[astral canyon]

without stockpile and demolition team hive scum's blitzes 100% blow vet's out of the water

[regal halo]

I do kark all for damage but everyone is stunned🗿

[bronze glade]

nade = worse bazooka

box = why

[zealous ravine]

i think box defo got less interesting with rock existing and big boom

[bronze glade]

rock = fine

[zealous ravine]

but otherwise its cool

[mighty belfry]

Questione

[rare stirrup]

Assail is used only for stacking peril and bburst is used for the autotrigger on elite hit

[bronze glade]

what

[regal halo]

Slippery customer work?

[bronze glade]

assail's insane

[zealous ravine]

i only use assail on psy myself

[dim moth]

Oh silly me here I was using Assail to kill gunners on havoc 40

[zealous ravine]

the other 2 are not fun to use to me

[dim moth]

Suppose that was some time ago

[mighty belfry]

Anyone know if hypercrit procced kills contribute to sample collector?

[rare stirrup]

I haven't actually used assail that much lol

[zealous ravine]

guh i'd have to test that

[rare stirrup]

Guess I'll give it another crack

[zealous ravine]

i can check kuli guide see if it mentions it

[bronze glade]

pretty sure it does

[mighty belfry]

I did. It does not.

[zealous ravine]

oof

[zenith pagoda]

Fr

[mighty belfry]

It felt like it did but I just wanna be sure since it's technically an instant kill effect.

[regal halo]

Being at level 19 and at the end of the tree feels weird

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-jolly-christmas-gif-5774532700081404887

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/gHMuZoND7DP.gif

[rare stirrup]

Tbh I like bburst because it's the only blitz that doesn't require you to use it to get value

[final temple]

they should as sample just cares for kills.

[regal halo]

11 points will run out quickly but feels like a lot to have

[tender marten]

yes but not in the way you think

[astral canyon]

thats the exact reason why i fucking despise it lmao

[regal halo]

I just wanna know if I slide away from a rager or some random goober if itll save my butt

[tender marten]

it is not actual 'immunity'

its the same effect as a regular dodge but it works on your slide

[regal halo]

Making it a dodge is the same difference to my pea brain

[tender marten]

if you try to slide the damage of a crusher overhead you will explode

and dreg ragers especially flurry out their combo so quickly that they are probably still going to land a hit

[regal halo]

Not really trying to slide a crusher slam

[final temple]

it makes slide a useable way to engage with a target to ensure first hit and proc successful dodge

[regal halo]

But also, why would slide not work on a crusher slam if you said it makes it like a normal dodge?

[astral canyon]

is this how other "immune" stuff works?

[tender marten]

generally yes

[final temple]

because the slam is an aoe

[regal halo]

Normal dodge works on le crusher bonk to my understanding

[tender marten]

ranged immunity on desperado for example is just you autododging

same as for empathic evasion on psyker

[dim moth]

yes they do

[astral canyon]

really nice

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447926955189211260/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.12.09_-_06.24.28.10.mp4?ex=693eac8f&is=693d5b0f&hm=c6d7c6448e5302273130a2632e9a8e51862544f59a63f32647e5b05a0fbca5ed&

[astral canyon]

i should prob try to get more on dodge talents on my desperado build then

[tender marten]

exactly this. really the point is that you are NOT in any way ACTUALY immune to melee damage, melee damage can and will still hurt you in conditions where its possible, e.g. burgle tail swipe

[astral canyon]

what about vulture?

[regal halo]

This doesn't help me at all
A normal dodge works on it
So if the slide is now a normal dodge, why no work

[tender marten]

see above

[astral canyon]

AOEs dont give a shit if youre dodging or not

[tender marten]

ranged immunity through dodging is functionally the same as literal immunity. this is not the same with melee attacks.

[astral canyon]

they just care if youre inside or outside

[tender marten]

if your ally dodges an attack into your slide-dodge nonsense you will still get hit and take damage

[final temple]

you can slide out of the aoe. but not iframe through it. that is important to understand. just like with a dodge.

[mighty belfry]

I do need that mod. Ty

[regal halo]

Didnt realize normal dodge wasnt i framing slam

[final temple]

it doesn’t. that’s the point. ‘immunity’ is not actually immune.

[tight musk]

Psyker died 3 times. Then I did an oopsie and died once.

Watching a psyker use smite to stun like 3 regular dudes is just...like, why? Dude wasn't even a full smiker, he was just a psyker with smite. It barely even did anything the entire game, if anything it was getting him killed.

[hasty agate]

@novel oracle when you get a minute, can you show me how you would set up the talent tree for your pinned melee shivs build if you took Stim Supply and Chemical Dependency instead of Rampage and Adrenaline Frenzy.

[regal halo]

My point isnt about "immunity" semantics just i thought dodge i framed it. Didnt realize its that im getting out of the way

[final temple]

understood.

[regal halo]

Ill probably still give the node a go and when I still get caught in a slide by goober no. 39 or a rager ill deem it ass and put it somewhere else

[final temple]

slippery is pretty good.

[regal halo]

Probably for a good player lol

[final temple]

I prefer it over nimble as it doesn’t fuck with my muscle memory

[charred bronze]

it's an excellent node. Best for repositioning away from pursuers to regain coherency if you're out of position

[ancient basin]

smite as utility is for horde arrest and revive/objective cover

[charred bronze]

but it'll save your ass in plenty of other situations

[regal halo]

Im like a bug being sprayed with raid
I just kinda skitter around and either make it out or perish

[ancient basin]

if hyper dense mixed mass horde, smite to stagger the small stuff and make it a bit more spread, allowing for reposition

[charred bronze]

slippery character greatly assists with that, just gotta work the slides in

[final temple]

learning how to dodge-slide might save your buggy ass then xD

[charred bronze]

it's AMAZING for objectives where you have to carry cannisters

[ancient basin]

covering rez and objective is probably its strongest aspect

[charred bronze]

grab cannister, time slides past enemies so they don't catch you as the slide ends, place cannister. Job done

[tender marten]

Thanks for the mental image of dozens of hive scum skittering away as I turn on a light switch in the kitchen

[ancient basin]

but for everything else assail is probably a better pick, as it just melts hordes like butter on the right set up

[charred bronze]

assail is great

[regal halo]

Im assuming "Cartel Special" is the Stimm that makes it so i stare at health stims and cry i cant use them

[ancient basin]

melee immunity on slide makes HS an excellent battery carrier

[charred bronze]

honestly, the best battery carrier, even over ogryn

[keen timber]

they really should let hive scum pick stims up

[final temple]

correct. only the good stuff for scummers

[regal halo]

I feel really coold for the duration of Desperado and then the skittering freak out phase happens until its back up

[tight musk]

Hyper-critical feels really good on my chemist build with bone saw.

I feel like my saw clears hordes much better with it. I don't really have hard data to support it, but the good vibes are there.

[charred bronze]

it's one of those talents that feels great when you take it, but it's hard to quantify

[regal halo]

Honestly all I want is a use ability
Like, dont let Hive scum hold stims but let them use them at the crate or wherever they are

[calm aurora]

Twbs moment

[tender marten]

I barely feel the downside to Rampage, between my stim and Regained Posture it may as well not exist at all

[livid raven]

it's just strange to me that rampage has the debuff

[charred bronze]

it's great if your team is on the ball, realizes that you can't use them, picks up the med stim they don't need and jabs your ass with it

[livid raven]

while every other ability doesn't

[final temple]

I spent all afternoon testing HC and HV together and individually on shivs and saw. my limited testing suggests saw makes better use of HC but both absolute profit from running both

[charred bronze]

but that hasn't become par for the course in the community yet

but if you have an established squad on voice comms it's easy to manage

[tender marten]

rampage is pretty ridiculously cracked tbf

[regal halo]

everyone full while im half corrupted
pings stim
one of the full health guys runs up and picks up stim and karks off
Me: ☹️🔫

[charred bronze]

when I play non-scum characters I try to grab med stims specifically for my scum buddies

[tender marten]

valid roleplay

[keen timber]

i miss when gunner knockback was still a thing so twbs was an "every build" node

[regal halo]

Has happened several times already....

[calm aurora]

I still take it

Because it saved me from fire so many times...

[charred bronze]

I think a lot of people don't realize you can jab others with stimms, or pass crates

give your crates to the vet. They might have cool crate stuff

[regal halo]

I forget how to pass crates but stims I remember

[final temple]

it’s one of these things the community will slowly learn as people go back to their preferred classes after leveling hs and realizing the value in sharing the stimm addiction.

[charred bronze]

unless they're playing like an idiot, then keep the crate

[tender marten]

crate stuff is global

doesnt matter who drops it

[charred bronze]

are you certain, that doesn't seem to be the way it works

[calm aurora]

I've been seeing more and more hvs imploring other people to give them a whiff of green stimm

https://tenor.com/view/crackhead-drug-thirsty-gif-8862390

[tender marten]

vet just has to be alive when it gets dropped, this includes being on the floor or 'captured' waiting for rescue

[regal halo]

Wack

[tender marten]

so its only really down for the 30s that they are actually 100% dead

[tight musk]

You don't actually have to give it to the vet, if they have the crate talent it automatically applies to every used crate so long as vet isn't dead.

[charred bronze]

interesting

[regal halo]

Useful information

hoards crate

[foggy phoenix]

Eh, works even if the vet is dead.

[foggy phoenix]

Just make sure it's still in the match, and not quitted out.

[regal halo]

Hm
Methinks I shall go allll the way over and get my sample collector node

[tight musk]

If they are fully dead and haven't spawned back into the map, it doesn't work.

If they are waiting for rescue - should work.

[final temple]

so everything BUT on respawn countdown is fine

[regal halo]

Potent tox is a waste but a small price to pay for an extra rpg

And more drugs

[final temple]

never not. too useful for every build.

[regal halo]

Hence why me go over to it

I need more ketamine for my Mac 10s. They are hungry

[foggy phoenix]

Pretty sure I literally had a run where the only vet was the first to die when the Temu twins showed up, and in a panic, the medcrate was deployed, which had the corruption clear thingy

Just a few hours ago

[regal halo]

Welp, time to go get my butt handed to me on diff 3 weeeee

[calm aurora]

why

[foggy phoenix]

Oh hey, I run those exact blessings on my 70% crit TAxe build

[tight musk]

I'm pretty sure the "why" is explained in the video.

[foggy phoenix]

Those perks though are uh...

Something

[radiant swift]

took me a sec

[calm aurora]

the perks

[final temple]

I mean. he triple taps a crusher later. would +cara be more efficient?

[foggy phoenix]

With TAxe crit/toxin spam, eeeeh I guess not. I haven't tested, though.

[woeful hill]

crit damage is a dead perk

as well as weakspot damage

[calm aurora]

that is not how it works tho

we wished

[calm aurora]

probably

[foggy phoenix]

My only gripe with the build is that missing a left click with the TAxe mean your crit rate drastically goes down- That you have to actually discipline yourself to not left click spam with a TAxe of all things.

[manic wolf]

TacAxe is more fun if you use the whole moveset anyway

[sturdy linden]

Taxe PAs into heavies are so good

Huge fuck you to Ragers

[foggy phoenix]

I unga

Therefore

[manic wolf]

Special attacks also have massive stagger

[foggy phoenix]

I bunga

[manic wolf]

TacAxe is just so fun to play man, only weapon that rivals Sapper Shovel imo

[dense hollow]

melee crit damage is uhh

an interesting choice

[woeful hill]

310 with crit damage Light 1 no talents/blessings. 292 without crit damage Light 1 no talents/blessings

18 damage

[foggy phoenix]

I see a pack of 6-8 ragers, I just rampage to knock them down to their asses with the shout subtalent so I don't have to engage with things like "movesets" and just spam left click

[woeful hill]

for a perk slot

no

dont take crit damage

[calm aurora]

I'd like to correct him

[woeful hill]

Go for it

I can grab the actual damage calcs for this if you want

[calm aurora]

except I have done that several times and he never ever answers

[manic wolf]

You know you can one shot them with a well placed heavy right?

[charred bronze]

makes me wonder what you'd have to do to those perks to make them worthwhile, short of changing them completely

[woeful hill]

make them actually calculate correctly

[calm aurora]

I'd like to because I lost my formula a long time ago

[dense hollow]

too bad we didnt get shovel on scum :(

[manic wolf]

I KNOWWWWW

[foggy phoenix]

I'm going to pull a dark souls and just R1 to win

[manic wolf]

Darksouls 3*

[dense hollow]

maybe we should get the dollar store version of the relic blade that veteran got too

the power falchion

[woeful hill]

@low harbor Do you have the calculation picture that highlights crit damage/weakspot damage perk?

[foggy phoenix]

Bunch of hive gangers getting access to power weapons?

[manic wolf]

Ima be honest, the Shovel would just be a grand old time on Scum, a power weapon would be very against the lore, probably punishable by death and horrendously broken

[woeful hill]

@calm aurora

[dense hollow]

that's true of course i was joking with the power falchion

but shovel would be a bop

for sure

[foggy phoenix]

Wish we never got the crowbar, and just gave scum the shovel.

[manic wolf]

It has such a good moveset man, it would bang so hard on Scum

Good blessing pool, probably the most well rounded moveset in the game and fast as fuck boii

[foggy phoenix]

For whatever reason, the OG 4 classes have access to shovels, but gangers get bourgeoise shit like needle pistols

[dense hollow]

i played on my ogryn after like 70 levels in hive scum

running around with the pickaxe is such a vibe

[manic wolf]

Nah, only Vet an Oggy have shovels

They dint give shovels to Zealot or Psyker

[foggy phoenix]

I must be delusional then.

[manic wolf]

I wish they did

[radiant swift]

it be like that some times

[manic wolf]

But alas

[foggy phoenix]

Time to sleep.

[low harbor]

zealot and psyker only have access to shovel during prologue (tancred bastion)

[manic wolf]

Zealot would also be mad fun with it

[dense hollow]

wont need any sleep if you stim up

[foggy phoenix]

I KNEW IT I KNEW I WASN'T CRAZY

RAAAAAAA

I just had vague memories of using a shovel on every class, and that probably explains it

[tight musk]

The basic shovel is already stupid fast on veteran, I can't even imagine how fast it would be on scum.

[low harbor]

wats this reply to

lemme guess

E?

[calm aurora]

this

YEAH

E

[low harbor]

lol does it rly matter he's not gonna educate himself

[final temple]

while we are at it, what is the consensus on sweet spot as a talent? worth it?

[sullen ridge]

society if desperado didnt mute the soundtrack

[dim moth]

it's p good but a bit annoying to path to

[calm aurora]

I run it on finesse weapons

[final temple]

just sing ‘Despacito’ from the top of your lungs every time you go desp.

[calm aurora]

and now I have to chose between sweet spot, pickpocket and hyperviolence

[foggy phoenix]

I honestly wish it was somewhere in the middle/top portion of the talent tree.

[tall dome]

so is there a funny build for both stimm drop and chem dep?

[low harbor]

good but optional, depends on ur weapons

[final temple]

thanks for the feedback

[sullen ridge]

i like this delivery a lot

[versed spruce]

Femanarch is a delight

[sullen ridge]

shes just having an absolute blast

[versed spruce]

STINKY STINKY STINKY

[elfin jay]

i love how often cancelling matchmaking simply doesn't work

trying to do shrine event, forgot to click on it because i'm stupid

hit quickplay

cancelled

put into a game

there's like a half second where the game might decide that when you click "cancel" you'll suddenly be shot into a match

[astral canyon]

"TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN"

[rose flax]

I mean it can last up to 49+ seconds and you do a ton of damage and stuff, it's a minor debuff for that honestly, it's just stamina

[tender forge]

ands damage taken

[versed spruce]

There was a guy calling the whole ability bad just because it deletes your stamina at the end of it

He said he didn't even get hit and lost a revive to it, but I've tried several times to pick someone up while Rampage is ending and it works fine

[rose flax]

Dude, your a hive scum, you die in a few hits anyways lol

[versed spruce]

One shotgun blast to kill you -> .75 shotgun blasts to kill you

[tender forge]

yes, but its still there

[regal halo]

Dual stub dump stat collat? Or mobility?

[light goblet]

Always mobility

[regal halo]

Well

[bronze glade]

collat

[versed spruce]

Collateral unless you prefer suppressing enemies more

[astral canyon]

mobility

[bronze glade]

collat prob hurts more than it helps on stub

[main wagon]

"NOT MY PICKPOCKET CHARGE"

[astral canyon]

dumping collat also makes pinning fire worse

[bronze glade]

yeah well

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-falling-lord-of-the-rings-gif-15071614

[bronze glade]

you don't take PF On stub

[light goblet]

Collat doesn't affect the weapon special cos of the time between shots and if you're magdumping it you WANT the suppression

[trim wind]

stubs dont really stack pf well anyway

[versed spruce]

Does the special twirl shot give more suppression on kill than normal kill?

[astral canyon]

oh wait regular stubs

[manic wolf]

Not if you dump collat, no

[versed spruce]

I feel like it should, if it doesn't

[bronze glade]

you don't build around suppression to begin with

[trim wind]

even if you dont

[astral canyon]

it has more stagger

idk about suppression

but tbh i'd still go with dumping mobility

[manic wolf]

Nah, in actual gameplay it stacks very quickly because the guns have cleave an you're very often shooting through trash so it procs very often

[rose flax]

Why is this the only talent that says 'ranged' for close range, when it's not specifically for ranged damage?

[regal halo]

buys the dump collat dual stub while the council reaches some semblance of a decision

[dense hollow]

your only other options on stub pistols are like

desperado

may aswell take pinning fire

since you're using speedload on a desperado build

[rose flax]

That's a horrible typo lol, it's not just ranged damage

[astral canyon]

run and gun too

[calm aurora]

Typo probably

[manic wolf]

Yeah, there are no other real options, Pinning kinda wins by default anyway

[bronze glade]

stubs don't work well with desperado

[dense hollow]

they don't really

[bronze glade]

and also don't work well with PF

[manic wolf]

Yeah they do, they just ask a bit more of the player than autos or shredder do

[bronze glade]

they're better used as a sidearm

[dense hollow]

but your options are kind of limited if you want to be stubborn and use them anyways

[bronze glade]

yeah if you want a less ideal weapon

[dense hollow]

in terms of what blessings to pick

[bronze glade]

for desp

sure

[manic wolf]

Basically anything works with Desperado anyway

[light goblet]

Magdumping stubs is for when like. Theres a trapper in the middle of a horde and you have no clear shot, collat helps there

[astral canyon]

needler

[manic wolf]

Its so braindead you could flick toothpicks at enemies using an elastic band and get the W

[regal halo]

They said work not work well🗿

I'm hilarious

[rose flax]

What's the Best ranged weapons specifically for specials besides the new weapons?

[dense hollow]

the same as it is on other classes if you don't want to use needle pistol

bolt pistol

[astral canyon]

revolvers, needler, stubs

prob some other ones im forgetting

[manic wolf]

Its kinda true though. Desperado is the lowest barrier to entry, with the lowest skill ceiling of basically any build in the game at the current time

[dense hollow]

also combat shotgun is good for specials

[regal halo]

Would me saying my dual stubs will be on my melee build help a consensus be made?

[rose flax]

I mean besides the new weapons, thank you though

[tight hornet]

quick question is hivescum dodges shorter cause I felt like I was taking a lot of hits when I thought I was dodging at the right time from memory by playing melee zealot

[astral canyon]

could be the bugged hitboxes

[regal halo]

Yeah I can feel it
It allows this idiot to do too much

[final temple]

did you skill nimble?

[tight hornet]

it felt like the timing to dodge was off

[amber sundial]

the skill ceiling is how well you can aim lol

[bronze glade]

yeah dump collat, take desperado/sustained fire + run n gun

[tight hornet]

no I havent unlocked skill nimble

[dense hollow]

they're the exact same as other classes til you take nimble

[manic wolf]

This is melee damage also?

[rose flax]

It's any damage

[dense hollow]

it's any damage within a close range, includes dots as well

[regal halo]

Eh? I just said itd be on my melee build
Gonna be usin da rampage

[manic wolf]

Excellent, more consistent Crusher two shots it is

[tight hornet]

thats weird I was almost sure it felt like hivescum dodges have like shorter dodge time or something like that

[calm hearth]

Hungry

[bronze glade]

you're asking for stub setup for a melee build right?

that's what i'm telling you

[regal halo]

Why would I use desperado on a melee build?

[dense hollow]

probably some kind of placebo you're feeling, its statiscally the same

[amber sundial]

could also be servers atm

[dense hollow]

but player hitboxes are bigger in this patch

[final temple]

closed range is a keyword to indicate that the distance to target matters for the actual damage. the closer you are the more damage you do, with decreasing efficacy up to 30m. this applies to both melee and ranged with melee naturally not having to worry about falloff.

[tight hornet]

cause I hear the audio queue that Im gonna get hit and I dodge and I've been getting hit a lot but yeah probably that

[bronze glade]

the blessing, not the talent

[regal halo]

Ah

I forget all blessing names the moment I close the mastery page

[amber sundial]

desperados the crit chance on weakspot hit right

for pistols

[astral canyon]

crit chance on dodge

[amber sundial]

ah

[rose flax]

I know, but it's "close ranged"
Which implies ranged damage in close range

[hollow hill]

Im really liking the new class, how about you lot?

[astral canyon]

i'd say desperado (the blessing)+run and gun is the play for dual stubs

[final temple]

it’s FS lingo. yes, it’s damage in close range.

[dense hollow]

if you're using it as a quickswap special sniping tool

run and gun and desperado/sustained fire is def the play

[light goblet]

The fact it says "ranged" instead of "range" is just FS being bad at typing

[rose flax]

Nothing else says though lol, everything else says just "close range"

[dense hollow]

its just bad wording again or a typo

[final temple]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense hollow]

they don't have great descriptions on a good chunk of the nodes in this class

[astral canyon]

or maybe it was supposed to be ranged only but accidentaly coded as all damage

[final temple]

FS lingo is not entirely transparent without studying mechanics on a programmatic level.

[astral canyon]

place your bets

[dense hollow]

anything goes

coin flips galore

[versed spruce]

They cooked, I think all three abilities could be substantially more interesting but it's neat and I really like the emphasis on dodging all over the place

The ability design and voice acting are my two big gripes with the class

But maybe I just haven't seen the good parts of the latter yet

[astral canyon]

the voice acting is fucking goated

specially fem anarchist

[versed spruce]

Talking strictly

[astral canyon]

hell both anarchists

[versed spruce]

Yeah about anarchist

But the other two... ehhhh

[astral canyon]

i fucking love them

[amber sundial]

BH i find to be the most boring of the 3

[versed spruce]

I think it's mostly on the writers because the lines don't seem all that interesting either

[hollow hill]

Yea im running a female scum and she is melee, alot of fun, move over zealot the crack Abbott is in town!

[astral canyon]

i also really liked the BH voicelines i heard

[versed spruce]

"LOIK RIPPEE FISH INNA BARREL"

💤

I would rather hear Professional's Executioner's Stance voiceline than that

[dense hollow]

outlaw just sounds very hype when clicking his rampage ability

[versed spruce]

I like fem outlaw's rampage lines

[dense hollow]

also i like outlaw because they have some funny "too many downs" dialogue

[versed spruce]

I trans'd her gender from man before trying Rampage so Idk about male's

[dense hollow]

"WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM, OGRYN?" from ogryn being downed 3 times

[astral canyon]

speaking of transing their gender

idk why but fem anarch gives transfem vibes

[versed spruce]

Am I the only one who feels that Outlaw was advertised a little differently than they came out

[keen timber]

wdym

[astral canyon]

i wouldnt be surprised if theres estrogen in her stimms

[versed spruce]

Maybe I haven't seen enough interactions but the Outlaw was advertised as kind of wanting to distance themselves from super gang affiliation and violence to bring a better tomorrow to Tertium

At least it was hinted that they were kind or even a littttle somber

[final temple]

really? I understood it as the opposite. Justifying their moral position by pointing out the state of affairs.

[keen timber]

they're a little more reasonable, a little less insane, and a little more affable to those around them

they're still a ganger

[radiant swift]

outlaw is very much regular reasonable ganger but Scottish

[versed spruce]

I feel like what we got is a bit different from this but I'm not too pressed

[zenith fern]

Outlaw is the robin hood of 40k

He does not steal from riches though

[astral canyon]

that we know of

[zenith fern]

Steals from everyone

[versed spruce]

I can only imagine they'll secretly add more voicelines as time goes on like they have with the other characters

Sometimes they just do that whenever they feel like it seemingly

[sullen ridge]

was it something i said man

do they hate me? do they hate SUMPSNIFFER?

[versed spruce]

I think you came on too strong man

[ripe fjord]

I think they came

[mighty belfry]

I know I would.

[modest patio]

Does hyper violence work on ranged?

[keen timber]

no

[manic wolf]

Hypercrit working on ranged would be whatever, but Hyperviolence?

[drifting heron]

Hypercrit on ranged would make Revolver stupid

and probably dbarrel

[manic wolf]

No it wouldnt lol, it already kills man sized targets in one shot

[drifting heron]

Ogryns

[manic wolf]

Hypercrit doesnt work on Ogryns

[drifting heron]

fuck

[manic wolf]

Man size targets only

[drifting heron]

Forgot about that restriction

[manic wolf]

Ye, Hyperviolence is target agnostic tho

[drifting heron]

Its weird how much of this tree is just VT2 talents

[manic wolf]

So you could dump a couple of double barrel shots into the horde and then nuke half a bosses' HP

[keen timber]

does anyone know what the mod is that stops the game fucking with ur field of vision during some abilities

things like exe stance

[drifting heron]

Precison Violence is Sting
Pickpocket is Salvaged Ammuniton

Theres a third one I can't remember

[mighty belfry]

I've been finding an appreciation for hypercrit admittedly

[manic wolf]

I do not, but if you find out, please post it

[mighty belfry]

ConstantFOV I think

[bronze glade]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/17

[final temple]

what is dead is dead is gud
HC dead gud
HC gud

[bronze glade]

oh fov

yeah cosntantfov

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/91

[manic wolf]

Nice one

[keen timber]

yep got it

thanks

maybe i can actually use exe on my vet now

id been playing and just not using my ability because i kept forgetting to grab the mod

[mighty belfry]

Exe vet very gun

Autocorrect be like

[keen timber]

im getting it so i can use it in melee bro

[exotic temple]

I like it, the amount of movement dmg you can throw around is fun but it’s can be unforgiving. After leveling arbities this is a real nice change of pace

[leaden lark]

what blessings and perks do I need for desperado stub pistols?

[exotic temple]

Auto pistols or dual stubs?

[leaden lark]

stub pistols

the m1911

[drifting heron]

its an m9

[hollow hill]

I actually never finished leveling my arbities as I disliked it so much!! And I was really struggling to like scum either as they are a struggle to level without spending the majority of the time closely inspecting the floor but once at lvl 30 they kick hole!

[zenith fern]

Eating very good, a great high skill class for those who are familiar with the game
Not most reccomended for new players though

[leaden lark]

sorry, m9

I'm not american

[exotic temple]

I run off Meta by doing speed load and run and gun.

[zenith fern]

Honestly i never tried desperado stubs, i dont think it matches much for a guns blazing style

Unless for memes

[trim wind]

it works fine for auric

just not as strong as dap

[leaden lark]

I know

also, I'm struggling with desperado + dependency build

[keen timber]

imo vultures mogs dependancy

[versed spruce]

the knower

[leaden lark]

I do know

[zenith fern]

Knowman

[manic wolf]

No hate, but it is pretty funny to be struggling with Desp aha

[leaden lark]

I mean

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/doorman-deadlock-deadlock-doorman-door-man-dance-gif-4339803590491365215

[leaden lark]

struggling to make a build

not to play it

lmao

[versed spruce]

Do I get back to work or do I quiet quit and sit on my phone like a fat fucking chud

[manic wolf]

Ahh, I was gonna say

[trim wind]

dont see much reason to do dependancy

[versed spruce]

Tness node right below aura?

[exotic temple]

I think speed load and desperado are probably better but I just like the qol of run and gun

[zenith fern]

yeah dependancy is probably the least you wanna pick

[leaden lark]

so

When the fuck do I ever take dependency?

never?

[dense hollow]

melee finesse weapons

[hollow hill]

I stumbled apon this game a year ago and immediately started playing spyker having no idea it was the hardest class to play and that was a bloody tough learning curve so dodging is second nature to me now which has been beyond helpful with learning to play scum thats for sure!

[leaden lark]

I need penances

[leaden lark]

I'm gonna play with this bullshit for now

[versed spruce]

When you want to cosplay mid

CDR is one reason but blehh

[manic wolf]

Been messing with it on a combat knife Rampage setup, hits some very funny breakpoints. Can two shot Crushers with it lule

[versed spruce]

Why not just take the other two keystones that make it so you don't need your ability to be useful

[leaden lark]

did they fix this shit increasing recoil?

[zenith fern]

I guess dependency is good for crate and wanna constantly build shared stimms shit

[dense hollow]

i think chem dependancy is only really worth it over adrenaline if you use specifically finesse weapons

otherwise i'd just use adrenaline

[exotic temple]

I dunno why but I felt like 1-30 was pretty smooth.

[dense hollow]

so tac axe

[manic wolf]

Yeup, there are niche uses, but in most cases its not worth the expenditure

[dense hollow]

combat knife i think has finesse but i forgot its stats

[manic wolf]

An eh, even with TacAxe I would still be taking Adrenaline

[hollow hill]

For hive scum? I bloody struggled !!

[regal halo]

What the heck is the dump on the needle?

[dense hollow]

anything but ammo

i chose damage

[manic wolf]

Yeup

[leaden lark]

damage doesn't affect toxin damage?

[regal halo]

Stability chillin then?

[dense hollow]

yeah thats fine

[keen timber]

nope

[dense hollow]

damage doesnt affect toxin damage

just the impact of your needle

like 2 damage difference

[leaden lark]

makes sense

[exotic temple]

I ran desperado vultures dodge to 30 with slippery you are immune to dmg 2/3 of a match

[icy scaffold]

It’s pretty great. Good source of DR, CDR, and crit that works for both melee and ranged. Gets your desperado/rampage up a lot faster. Easy to maintain.

[leaden lark]

shit, I already rolled a pistol with mobility dump

Gonna reroll it later

[dense hollow]

dependancy on desperado is bait

[icy scaffold]

Nah, it’s great. More desperado is always good.

[regal halo]

Just get sample collector and stop there

[icy scaffold]

Been bouncing between auto pistol and bolt pistol desperado + chem dependency. It’s really fun

[regal halo]

I have desperado pretty much always available

[versed spruce]

But then you're far enough down that side that it feels bad to only grab Sample

[hollow hill]

Wish id thought of that!!

[versed spruce]

Rubs the stink brain the wrong way

[regal halo]

And I still dont have ability cooldown curios

[dense hollow]

yeah but vulture's is still extra ranged dmg on top of ranged crit and movespeed

[versed spruce]

Oh I'm not advocating Dependency

[dense hollow]

dependancy has an extra tax point if you want to get the crit

[versed spruce]

I'm lamenting that it exists on the same side as Sample

[hollow hill]

Sounds like a fair bit of gunner scum is here hey? Iv really only given melee a real chance and love it

[exotic temple]

Well I was reading the description and I’m like this can’t possibly work the way it says it’s working or there has to be an internal cooldown or something

[dense hollow]

the talks shift between both playstyles

[broken moss]

spoken as if its hard to find gunner scum right now

[dense hollow]

i prefer melee scum because its more interactive

[broken moss]

definitely more fun. but gunner is broken. and as such, literally everywhere

[hardy maple]

how do you feel when you come across a group of ranged enemies all ready to fill you full of holes

[exotic temple]

It so happened that yes it does work the way it says it works and vulture dodge doesn’t have an internal cooldown

[icy scaffold]

Probably the same way they do on every other class

[foggy phoenix]

I'd gladly take gunner randoms in havoc than see the billionth scum melee build that dies the moment they make a single mistake

[broken moss]

like i dont give a shit because 25% dr and extreme mobility

[sullen ridge]

HI DOORMAN

[hollow hill]

Oh na sorry thats not what I meant, im interested in all play styles, sorry lads Im new to this server and the feed scrolls fast, im over from my main discord channel which is the freemasons channel where its a tad more leisurely lol

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/doorman-deadlock-zesty-pookie-princess-gif-4981910634827523847

[sullen ridge]

hey Gears | Rework Slab shield you watched my cool video Doorman985 on youtube.com/@squincey right???????

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-drooling-emoji-emoji-crying-drooling-emoji-happy-drooling-emoji-gif-6899721813820481235

[zenith fern]

this channel is very active so quite fast

[zenith fern]

nope not sure who that is

[sullen ridge]

jumping and its your fault

[hollow hill]

Lol yea im working it how

[sullen ridge]

i did come to ask if desperado bolt pistol is valid

mainly what blessings/stats to put on it

maybe + unarmored damage to get some more cc in there

[final temple]

why? ideally you get 3 value nodes. toxin damage that is easily applied, an extra charge for your blitz and SC which itself is worth a lot.

[hollow hill]

Do ya reckon gunner scum using needle pistol could work or not enough ammo and too slow?,

[foggy phoenix]

Will it even proc?

[sullen ridge]

pocket toxin and blackout nades is fun for cc help

and in general its just a fun gimmick

[foggy phoenix]

Needle pistol damage comes from the toxin stacks, which don't count as ranged damage iirc

[dense hollow]

pickpocket procs on toxin kills

[exotic temple]

I was gonna ask if you went melee or ranged. Ranged has a lot more guard rails until you get enough levels to get a decent melee build going

[dense hollow]

but ranged buffs dont affect the damage

of the dot

close ranged damage does affect it but there's not a lot else

[foggy phoenix]

Melee, too.

[final temple]

needler barely profits off most ranged nodes. it’s a strong weapon but no synergy with a ranged build.

[sullen ridge]

hive scum desperado builds is using your guns as melee weapons

unironically

[hollow hill]

Iv only really given melee a chance mate but thought about giving guns a crack

[hollow hill]

Oh? How do you mean?

[sullen ridge]

melee feels so weak compared to what u can dish out with constant stub fire

[final temple]

taxe rampage begs to differ

[livid raven]

not in a desperado build

[final temple]

sure. fair.

[hollow hill]

Im a flame staff spyker main so all this up and personal stuff is very new, i run melee vet but the melee scum is just on another level!

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/axe-jump-viking-axe-jump-jump-in-lake-jump-into-frozen-lake-man-with-axe-gif-3631186440519726072

[exotic temple]

Dual tac axe when

[sullen ridge]

infinite ammo and lots of dodge means you should never put them away and just focus on kiting enemies in front of you. you get nutty dps and range at the cost of uhh... not being able to block, which is hardly something ur ever worried about when you walk faster than ragers can swing

[hollow hill]

Oh yea? Can anyone suggest a good gunner build?

[sullen ridge]

i dont have any gameslantern builds but you want to stick to the left side of the tree and try to get all the CDR you can get for more desperado uptime

if you use the dual stubs, lots of crit will see you through, the only thing you have trouble with are crushers, but your crowbar alt mode deals with those

[exotic temple]

Cole put these together

[hollow hill]

Dodge and shoot hey? And rocket for crushers or leave them too someone else?

[livid raven]

switch to melee or use a blitz

[manic wolf]

Average ranged Scum moment

"Leave them to someone else"

[sullen ridge]

rocket for crushers/bulwarks and crowbar alt for single crushers being annoying

just drop any thoughts of melee combat and go whole hog on the intended devil may cray gameplay

[drifting heron]

Run rending on your stim and just shoot them

[sullen ridge]

hgggh but id rather run cooldown

crowbar keeps them at bay for my more competent teammates to show up

100% guaranteed stunlocking on heavy alt

[exotic temple]

These are in the pin for the server

[hollow hill]

That works? Vraks infranty auto, shredder auto or duel shredders?

[sullen ridge]

hive scum makes shredder autopistol viable

rejoice

[drifting heron]

shredder is fine right now

[hollow hill]

Cheers mate

[drifting heron]

Its a good sidearm

Its best run on melee's with bad maniac and bad movespeed

[sullen ridge]

feels like ass for armor alas

heavy laspistol wins again for every other class

[hollow hill]

I would of thought gunner scum would cut sick with single shredder?

[hollow hill]

Yea that's a great weapon!

[novel quest]

did someone here say their scum's name's sumpsniffer

I see a sumpsniffer here LMAO

[exotic temple]

Vraks or dual autos

[novel quest]

LOL

[sullen ridge]

ARE THEY STEALING SUMPSNIFFER'S STINKY SWAGGER

[novel quest]

I'm the krieger

[hollow hill]

And braced any good?

[sullen ridge]

i've seen a Krieg and a Kriegler today! though it mightve been krieger and i hallucinated the l

i think i threw your mission

[exotic temple]

Eh not really

[sullen ridge]

and contemplated leaving out of shame for double poxburster hits

[radiant swift]

ish

the best braced is the heaviest one iirc and it's not amazing on scum

[sullen ridge]

yea but it sounds nice and feels great to shoot...... sobbing

[hollow hill]

My vets name is McDRAWtheKRAKhore, im,very proud of that stupid name lol

[sullen ridge]

im still torn between scumhuffer and sumpsniffer

HEY

THATS ME

[novel quest]

that's funny

[sullen ridge]

busy testing breakpoints

[hollow hill]

All my toons have McGee in there names

[novel quest]

ye I was literally just off of psykhanium and I was like "lol that name's funny. wait didn't I see that in the darktide server"

[sullen ridge]

Stumps McGee sounds nice rolls off the tongue real swell

[novel quest]

I saw a scum's name, called "ImagineTheSmell"

[icy scaffold]

It’s very valid, grab Point Blank and then whatever else is usually good. Also make sure you use the one that has an actual AoE, melts hordes.

[novel quest]

that got a chuckle out of me

[hollow hill]

Lol not bad! HussyMcGee is my spyker

[sullen ridge]

thank you im buildin the pistole now

darktide is so freaking epic

[hollow hill]

TitsMcgee is my ogryn

[sullen ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/mining-pakistani-pakistani-miner-pakistani-mining-coal-gif-1265210761147612079

how it feels to visit brunts

[radiant swift]

these damn kids

[hollow hill]

Lol too right!

[radiant swift]

don't know how good they got it now

[sullen ridge]

god. i used to have autobuy mods to get the perfect combat knife

https://youtu.be/7VZQd_aDwpA?si=I6qAzdw9OI5puUW3

plugs my slop

i hate that this is the one that got big

it was so low effort

[hollow hill]

Im assuming most of you guys are PC gamers? Im a filthy ps5 console player lol

[sullen ridge]

IM SO SORRY FOR YOU

THE MODS ARE SO HELPFUL

ive been a big fan of the one that cleans all the shit off your screen

[hollow hill]

Yea so iv heard, but I dont know any better so im not really worried about it

[sullen ridge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/17?tab=description

[manic wolf]

They do give you a massive QoL upgrade for sure

[novel quest]

do any scumbags need levels or weapon mastery? I'm doing twins suicide rush so I'm happy to take anyone under the wing

[sullen ridge]

you wont find many new scums in the bowels of the darktide discord 😔

just a lot of unemployed people

[novel quest]

could also need weapon mastery

I'm lvling rn for mastery lol

[icy scaffold]

Really, you could just rely on Pickpocket if you play at higher difficulties and use Stim supply since you can constantly pop elites/specials. I still just use Desperado because it’s funny.

[manic wolf]

There was only 6 weapons to master, I doubt many are struggling atm

[novel quest]

True...

[hollow hill]

Damn i hate the twins, its so hard to find a public group that can handle them

[manic wolf]

People just buy greys an spam craft to get mastery innit

[sullen ridge]

i just use desperado cause it feels like. THE strongest thing in the game if played perfectly compared to everything else played perfectly

[novel quest]

ye but I'm pore

[icy scaffold]

Only if you’ve been playing awhile, new people gotta farm slower

[sullen ridge]

ive only gotten it to havoc 30 tho

[novel quest]

and cba to weigh ppl down with my garbage ass weapon

[sullen ridge]

just limited by me being bad and carpal tunnel

[manic wolf]

Dont get to comfy with it, I would bet money that its gonna be one of the first things that gets sledgehammered. Not to mention it teaches you giga-bad habits

[novel quest]

but anyway the offer's open for anyone else who just happens to be lurking, in strike team 8 vc

[manic wolf]

An no, its not a matter of perfect play with Desperado, quite the opposite infact, it allows you to make significantly more mistakes than any other setup

[sullen ridge]

i think its intended for highly skilled players so it intentionally pretty much forces you into its weird playstyle

[hollow hill]

Cheers for all your help today lads its been very much appreciated

[icy scaffold]

They better not take away the funny infinite ammo. That’s part of the reason I even bought Darktide

[novel quest]

I got darktide because I like it when I cut through a bunch of enemies

[manic wolf]

It very much is not. You want the high skill Scum playstyles, thats melee. Desperado makes the game a joke, which is why its gunna get nerfed lule

[novel quest]

I like tide games

[sullen ridge]

melee hive scum feels like it teaches bad habits for sure though, and its the route most intended for newer players

uhoh

[novel quest]

oh yeah I also just got darktide because it's 40k icl

[manic wolf]

Ironically (Not including pickpocket, thats a seperate issue) Desperado's freeload mechanic is the least egregious part of it

[novel quest]

I think desparado can do the same when you consider vulture dodge

[icy scaffold]

Yea, I play staff Psyker, Recon last vet, and desperado scum. I like shooting more then melee when tau fire warrior

[novel quest]

because it really is just "shoot stuff for invincibility"

[sullen ridge]

i hope they dont take away the infinite ammo, it's kinda what gives ranged scum its identity

using ranged entirely as a primary

[novel quest]

true

[sullen ridge]

eschewing all block and shove gameplay

[novel quest]

idk if fs would ever do that

[sullen ridge]

yea that can go

[icy scaffold]

Blocking and shoving is for nerds. Guns and magic go brrrrrt

[manic wolf]

And thats why its so forgiving. Immune to ranged whilst active, immune to borderline everything else whilst not active. Resulting in you being able to ignore 80% of the game mechanics for the entire run. It is absurdly gamebreaking

[sullen ridge]

force players to actually dodge

[novel quest]

they've kinda made it really clear that tide games are hack and slash games with horde shooter elements

[icy scaffold]

Oh if they nerf Vultures dodge then that’s fine. They should give Vultures some rending if anything. I don’t even take it, I take Chem Dependency.

[novel quest]

so I'm not sure if they'd nerf pickpocket

[sullen ridge]

ironically desperado is one of the better archetypes for tanking

[broken bear]

its not tanking its dps

smh

[sullen ridge]

holding w and soaking up aggro

[broken bear]

tanks block damage not just run thru it

[manic wolf]

Vulture's Dodge and Desperado's ranged immunity both need to be reworked into different effects. Not nerfed, reworked.

Pickpocket needs an ICD of like 30s and needs to only proc on melee kills tho

[novel quest]

W M1 sim

[sullen ridge]

tanks soak aggro not block damage

[broken bear]

ogryn or arby fits tank

scum in general falls into dps

not tank

[sullen ridge]

u can have dodge tanks and block tanks

[icy scaffold]

Nerfing pickpocket? I’d just drop the class at that point ngl

[hollow hill]

I feel alot more nervous with my flame staff spyker and everyone else refusing to pull and there guns and shoot them!!

[dim moth]

my man exe stance veteran

[sullen ridge]

kerillian was a dodge tank

[manic wolf]

Skill issue. You'd still have better ammo econ' than anyone else, you just wouldnt be able to spam gun all the way through a mission

[sullen ridge]

well handmaiden was

[broken bear]

I think vet should die

[novel quest]

payday 2

[broken bear]

i hate the class

[novel quest]

Payday 2 dodge build
Payday 2 dodge build

[manic wolf]

But Vet has shovel tho? D:

Best melee weapon in the game

Fite me

[broken bear]

Vet can shove the shovel up their ass.

[sullen ridge]

vet is baby pee brain all classes should be knife charge zealot

[novel quest]

I love it when my life is in the hands of a dice at every single damage instance done to me

[icy scaffold]

I enjoy spamming gun. Thats the whole reason I enjoy Hive Scum. It’s why I also only play Vet and Psyker as my other classes.

[dim moth]

I love that path calls that the "gaslighting top tier" or something to that respect

It's so funny

[sullen ridge]

your fault for not stacking enough buffs before walking out into the open

[main wagon]

uhhhhhh am I crazy or did I get instakilled by the fucking twin shield pop here

[dim moth]

Because the weapon is abysmal dogshit hard carried by having the best blessing pool of any weapon in the game

[novel quest]

a true darktide fan never speaks ill of veteran.......

[main wagon]

No mauler/crusher nearby, no snipers, burster was across the room

[sullen ridge]

memories of grinder on launch

[manic wolf]

I am memeing... but it does have one of the best movesets in the game

[broken bear]

Veteran is dog shit

hate the class

boring as fuck

[novel quest]

https://tenor.com/view/savosandsavos-gif-10098754770260943602

[frigid sluice]

I liked vet shovel but I thought it would also fold like ogyrn shovel and was a bit sad when the special was just a stab

[broken bear]

yea happens

[hollow hill]

I refuse to play gun psyker, he's a space wizard and thats all!!

[sullen ridge]

guys guys every game needs a class for the babies

[trim wind]

known bug

[manic wolf]

Do you hate Vet or do you hate Shout 😄 coz I think most people have a problem with piss toughness

[novel quest]

good thing fartshack just made one to compensate

[main wagon]

F

[dim moth]

they do also have folding shovels

[main wagon]

Very unfortunate lol

[broken bear]

I hate Vet.

[sullen ridge]

i flavor my crit psyker as his beloved guiding his aim

[broken bear]

The entire class.

I refuse to level my vet to 30

It is at 29

[icy scaffold]

I wish Gunlugger Ogryn had pickpocket 😔

[frigid sluice]

fr? I must not have seen the mark then

[broken bear]

It will stay there

[manic wolf]

Did you ever play release DT Vet? That had some actually aids kit despite the limited skill "trees"

[dim moth]

rumblergryn stonks

[main wagon]

Veteran has a horrific levelling experience imo

[broken bear]

I just hate vet simple as

boring class

no fun

[main wagon]

But at 30 it's fine. It's just not for me

[broken bear]

Ogryn fun cuz big man

[main wagon]

Yeah fair does

[broken bear]

Zealot fun cuz crazy

[manic wolf]

Zealot do be fun

[hardy maple]

I remember seeing this happen around when the twins first came out, I thought they fixed it

[broken bear]

Arby is fun cuz police brutality

[dim moth]

veteran fun because click head :)

[main wagon]

I enjoy Lucius Vet

[broken bear]

Psyker is fucking space wizard

[manic wolf]

Melee Scum + Zealot be funnest classes

[hollow hill]

I love watching everything burn!!

[hardy maple]

the thing zealot has that scum doesnt is the ability to get IN

[broken bear]

Scum is fun cuz crack addict

[main wagon]

Helbore Lasgun makes veteran a very engaging point and click adventure game

[hardy maple]

i get caught out alot more by gunners than on zealot

[main wagon]

[broken bear]

Vet? vet is cod player.

Vet is boring and dumb

[icy scaffold]

I only play recon last vet. Infinite shooting goes brrrrrt

[main wagon]

Scum really does feel like Payday

I miss Payday 2 VR

[manic wolf]

Boltgun is pretty fun im not gonna lie, turning squishy heretics into soup is a good time 😄

[loud herald]

I like chainsword and bolt pistol with weapons specialist

[main wagon]

BOLTGUN WORDS OF VENGEANCE FUCKS

[loud herald]

or whatever the capstone is called

idr

[novel quest]

same

[manic wolf]

Based?

[near vapor]

so the bug is still there..

[novel quest]

I do shovel and double barrel

[near vapor]

[main wagon]

Do you know how long I’ve wanted modern typer shark?

[icy scaffold]

Imagine if hive scum got a bolter

[manic wolf]

No

[loud herald]

sometimes if i'm feeling spicy I do power sword but that doesn't last long because I fucking hate having to press the special attack button to charge it up every time I want it to do something

[loud herald]

doesn't it?

[manic wolf]

Thats the same level of people asking for Scum to get DS

[near vapor]

pre patch 13 vet

[icy scaffold]

Just the pistol. Which already goes crazy with it

[loud herald]

oh it does have pistol

[main wagon]

First time I’ve ever seen it in 700+ hours

Felt so icky

[loud herald]

my time has come

I will now no longer play any other class besides crack addict scum

[main wagon]

It has Counter Strike dualies

[loud herald]

bolt pistol my beloved....

[broken bear]

recent bug

so

[main wagon]

Oh that’s fair then

[manic wolf]

If only dual wield Boltpistols

[main wagon]

I saw “still” from mal and assumed it was older

[loud herald]

with desperado

[manic wolf]

No, that doesnt exist in my mind, thats effectively playing Psyker

[broken bear]

https://tenor.com/view/black-templar-sister-of-battle-warhammer-40k-dancing-space-marine-gif-16084334959388278613

[manic wolf]

Psyker 2.0 if you will

[zenith fern]

shield pulse bug

[loud herald]

lol fair

my friend is playing psyker melee build and i'm happy for him

with the force 2h sword

or w/e it's called

[frigid sluice]

thats a great build I love it

[main wagon]

Melee psyker made the class fun for me