hivescum-class

[dim moth]

so you can get sample collector shortening your stimm's cooldown while you are benefitting from it

[foggy phoenix]

It would be funny if you could jab your team

[versed spruce]

But your box still counts towards your dependency, right?

[foggy phoenix]

And those buffs all stack

[dim moth]

yeah

[tropic crag]

yeah, its the perfect length to be able to sneak it into almost any fight but not free... i think they did good with it

[tropic crag]

i thought we'd be getting that when i first saw some of the class details

[foggy phoenix]

Best we can do is 4 stimm supply crates.

I don't even know if those effects stack or get overriden

[dim moth]

they do stack

if you drop multiple boxes in less than 15 seconds those also stack

https://fximgur.com/a/JvD0Wlm

[tropic crag]

i think if we actually nailed down scums theme it would be "stacking" because thats where all the power of the class is tbh

[foggy phoenix]

You'll have to find 3 other people with the same idea and stuff them into a room.

[tropic crag]

i love when the arms go into blurs except for the stop that happens during impacts

[foggy phoenix]

I kind of want to see how fast you can kill a boss with 4 max viscosity attack speed and damage buffs

[tropic crag]

has anyone seen 4 needle guns on a boss yet? most i've seen is 2 in qp

[frigid sluice]

Would I get more toughness with the crate if I use the stim with the toughness regeneration node or the one that just instantly applies toughness

[dim moth]

woudln't change

chem tox stack cap is 31

and stacks are shared

[tropic crag]

so you'd hit it instantly instead of very quickly

[dim moth]

yeah

[random shuttle]

I love mortis XD

[tropic crag]

that makes sense

[random shuttle]

melee scum

[foggy phoenix]

What on earth is this archetype

[tropic crag]

mortis scum is so fun

[foggy phoenix]

And is it exclusive to a class

[lapis raft]

hmm interesting that boom bringer is still almost 20% of my damage somehow (as i dont think i have any other explosive damage), thats pretty funny

[tropic crag]

one mortis i got a bunch of dot damage powers on my posion build... it was so funny how fast health bars melted

from one tap

[frigid sluice]

I tried mortis once and it kept giving me ranged blessings on my melee build

[lapis raft]

i guess rpg pretty gud

[frigid sluice]

And then it made me fight 20 bulwarks with a side of 10 trappers

[velvet iris]

Random idea I had for a perk to help HS's survivability

[frigid sluice]

Had a pretty good time

[atomic moth]

you can get an upgrade for the rocket launcher where if you kill a specialist you get back that shot

insanely fun

[lapis raft]

i had this in mortis it was 10/10

killing snipers with rpg for fun :d

[atomic moth]

I'd dare say its almost as fun as the biggest box of hurt

[tropic crag]

rpg is still on the lower end of the 3 but its being compared to all star blitz options so its still a top tier style of pick after the patch

[frigid sluice]

Does anyone here run a right side build

[young herald]

the lawnchair is extremely good... for a different class

[lapis raft]

yea im mostly just surprised by the ridiculous total damage as i did not even used it that much this mission

[frigid sluice]

Do you use chem grenades or blinkers with the “blitz now applies toxin” talent

[young herald]

like, put the lawnchair on vet, and it's easily the best blitz in the game

[high gull]

chemist?

[frigid sluice]

Yea

[lapis raft]

blinders

[young herald]

but on scum, it's just sorta alright

[frigid sluice]

Getting my penances done

[lapis raft]

its super pointless for chem nade

[high gull]

I mean I do

But I wouldn't call it amazing

[tropic crag]

on blinders yes, if you're using the chem nade its really a wasted node since the chem nade is going to do that anyway and way more than you need

[high gull]

I just stack a metric fuckton of toxin

[foggy phoenix]

Giving any blitz to vet and their 1 billion talent buffs related to blitzes, including regen would make them OP

[frigid sluice]

I mean like

[tropic crag]

i'd say move that point around to something else but also... you can keep it there if you want its nothing terrible

[frigid sluice]

Do you run chem grenades or do you take the toxin blitz talent to use blinders

[young herald]

i don't even mean with regen talents

just the way vet plays plays into the rocket launcher, while the way scum plays very much does not

[lapis raft]

idk if it even works at all with chem nade ngl. like the initial explosion will apply it, but then chem nade is capped to 6 stacks of toxin on enemy, i dont think it goes up to 9 with the explode + the ground

[velvet iris]

The idea: you need to get 20 close range kills for this ability to activate. Once activated it acts like a little shield, on damage to your health is ignored/replenished (If you take 25 damage, you restore 25 health), you get 25 toughness and completely stagger the enemy who dealt the attack

This does not protect you from multiple hits, it's a 1 time "didn't count" move. And once it's used you need to get 20 close range kills to get it again

Thoughts?

[mental igloo]

don't give vets SHIT

[foggy phoenix]

I know. Hence why I first mentioned the talent-specific buffs related to vet blitzes

[mental igloo]

except psword nerf

[high gull]

I mean it's a dual purpose talent

Sample is always there for chemist

[foggy phoenix]

We have that.
It's called the Power Falchion.

[young herald]

the lawnchair is a predictive tool to delete a major threat as soon as they spawn, which is also largely how veteran plays, while scum is hyper reactive nutball who has to play counter to the rest of his kit to most effectively use the lawnchair

[high gull]

And the box 1. applies buffs and 2. once it detonates and we are surrounded, them stacks of toxin will keep chaff down

[mental igloo]

pfalc actually fun to use it just rolled into crushers with 2x the health

[high gull]

Which in turn reduces cooldown on stimm

[lapis raft]

that would make despacito scum literally unkillable

[random shuttle]

Emperors Chosen

[mental igloo]

which psword still 2taps

[velvet iris]

I'm sure we've all had our fair share of Crushers one shotting us and ruining the fun right?

[high gull]

Which means I get to use my crate again

[young herald]

it's a very interesting design decision making the launcher work the way it does, tbh. Didn't even think they'd do something like this, but it worked out great

[young herald]

falchion is just bad

[foggy phoenix]

True Grit Arby, Ogryn, VoC Vet and Zealot Until Death walk into the bar:

[velvet iris]

That's the thing. any damage to your health activates the ability. Then you need 20 close kills again, so 5 damage, 75, 39 doesn't matter it will activate

[young herald]

the moveset is pretty solid, but none of the stats on it are nearly good enough

[velvet iris]

That's what Hs needs, a fail safe

[tropic crag]

this would be way too strong, the scum is already very tanky and giving them a retooled version of the vt2 ironbreaker passive (which is a tank class) would be overkill. we can already survive alot more than a pysker can

[radiant swift]

very specifically should not have one

[frigid sluice]

They should let us hipfire the launcher

[radiant swift]

that's like most of the point

[foggy phoenix]

No need to have a failsafe, if you kill everyone before it gets to that point, yes-yes

[frigid sluice]

On everything

[velvet iris]

Ok, why got make it so you need 40 kills?

[young herald]

absolutely not; that would make the thing so stupidly broken

[tropic crag]

the class has like 5 built in tho

[velvet iris]

Until 1 crusher bonks you and its ruined

[radiant swift]

don't need one like this though

[shadow umbra]

Should I take off 15% magazine size for hyper critical?

[high gull]

Kinda ruins the point of the class tho doesn't it?

[tropic crag]

yeah i agree it would be over kill

[foggy phoenix]

Just don't get crusher'd™

[radiant swift]

skissue ngl

[lapis raft]

i think giving HS failsafe like that would be giga broken

[young herald]

scum's whole design ethos is "just don't get hit"

[lapis raft]

on other hand, if they could just give something to fight through gas because i swear those maps

[high gull]

The whole point of HS is to be a glass cannon

[frigid sluice]

We gotta balance it out 50% chance hivescum aims it the wrong way and gibs themselves

[lapis raft]

on scum are misery

[young herald]

the class very much does not need failsafe catches

[lapis raft]

and then looking at all those hp stims xd

[tropic crag]

you shouldn't feel bad for trying to come up with an idea, and the idea wasn't even terrible, i just don't think it meshes with the design of the rest of the class in a few different ways that just wouldn't let an idea like this work

[frigid sluice]

Hive scum stepping up after psyker forgot the glass part of the glass cannon

[foggy phoenix]

I've had all my toughness go away in havoc from having the audacity to not try to dodge a single trash mob shooter's burst

[high gull]

If you can't survive as a HS that's a skill problem dawg

[velvet iris]

istg. Most of yall shut doen ideas way too fast

[frigid sluice]

I make do

[high gull]

Any ideas people propose have been tested and abused by playtesters before release.

I.E. Infinite crates.

[novel oracle]

If he gets a failsafe he needs to get a tree wide damage nerf

[high gull]

Which then removes the whole point of the class.

[young herald]

what scum needs is for desperado's ranged immunity to get reworked completely (I'd make it give massive sprint dodge angle instead, myself), and then a little bit of an output boost for the middle and right trees. Not a lot, just a little

[novel oracle]

It'll be a give and take, but that takes away the whole thing theyre supposed to be

[high gull]

[radiant swift]

classes are allowed to have weaknesses

[young herald]

and then scum is exactly where it should be

[velvet iris]

The problem I find is 1 attack can ruin everything. I get the don't get hit strat but there needs to be some "hey you won't get 1 shotted by that Sniper or crusher every time"

[foggy phoenix]

Hive Scum is a glass cannon rogue-archetype crit-spamming class with zero defense. It being survivable would mean hardly any tradeoff compared to any other class.

[young herald]

https://tenor.com/bHRYQ.gif

[high gull]

That kinda comes with spacial awareness.

[young herald]

there are solutions

[high gull]

And the damage reduction talents.

[shadow umbra]

should i stay hyper critical or switch it out for 15% magazine size?

[lapis raft]

you can actually tank 1 crusher hit if you are full with few things on hs tree

[novel oracle]

I used to believe a similar thing during the testing but the more I thought about it the more I was just stuck in the mindset of playing zealot on everything

[lapis raft]

but theres nothing i can do against gas pls fix

[young herald]

from a design perspectiv,e scum is near-perfect

which I was shocked by

[foggy phoenix]

You run HS to be a filthy dodge/slide spammer and not occasionally "intentionally" facetank a crusher overhead like a true grit arby

[young herald]

was not expecting that

[high gull]

I want a unique class that plays exactly like the other classes.

[tropic crag]

might be a build problem if you want this problem taken care of, i don't run sniper resist or anything but i've never been one tapped by a sniper with my build complete... most overheads just take a chunk of hp off me, bursters take like 1/4 of my health if it was really close and my toughnes was full... you can build around one shots mostly. like the things that will still kill you past that will feel alot more like your fault

[novel oracle]

What gun is this for

[shadow umbra]

duel autopistols

[velvet iris]

Funny how everyone wanted skitarii and groaned when they saw hs. Now everyone is saying they are fun asf lol

[novel oracle]

Run vultures mark

Not chem dep

[young herald]

the community is braindead, news at 11

[shadow umbra]

but why

[foggy phoenix]

I run chem dep, because you don't need vulture's mark

[zealous ravine]

honestly the best thing about an admech is that they might get a cool halberd

[radiant swift]

true

[zealous ravine]

and i DO want a halberd

[high gull]

COmmunity gas lit themselves into believing something the devs never promised then threw a pissy fit when the thing that was never promised never happened.

[shadow umbra]

vulture's mark isnt needed and chem dep is great

[velvet iris]

I got a build that uses BO nades, rampage, and adrenaline frenzy

[tropic crag]

consumers often don't know what they want... from working in design for a short time to making custom furniture for rich people i've learned that most people have no idea what they actually will enjoy and often its the makers job to figure that out

[lapis raft]

well the whole right side area is still big ball of antisynergy with eachother

[shadow umbra]

also this doesnt answer if i should use hyper critical or 15% magazine size

[velvet iris]

And with it I use A Combat Shotgun and crowbar

[shadow umbra]

this is an entirely new subject you brought up

[foggy phoenix]

Chem dep is free crit chance and CD reduction

[velvet iris]

The numbers got insane

[zealous ravine]

arent those just completely different

hyper crit doesnt work on guns i believe

[velvet iris]

1 shot crow bar, my favorite melee with hs

[shadow umbra]

it doesnt?

[velvet iris]

And a Combat Shotgun. Cus I really enjoy it

[shadow umbra]

is it melee only?

[zealous ravine]

it dont

[bronze glade]

its melee only

[tropic crag]

i need to use the crowbar more but i'm still stuck on the bonesaw having fun

[zealous ravine]

melee

[shadow umbra]

well thats sad

[zealous ravine]

thank fatshark descriptions for that

[bronze glade]

both suck anyway

[shadow umbra]

i sounded good on paper with duel autopistols and chem dep

[zealous ravine]

lmao

bonesaw just feels so weird

then it does like only 600 dmg and im sad

[shadow umbra]

40% crit with autos would go crazy with hyper crit...

[velvet iris]

Bone saw is cool! I find the crowbar is like a Swiss army knife. It does crowd control and single targets good

[bronze glade]

yeah it doesn't feel good

[shadow umbra]

i personally like it a lot

[frigid sluice]

Which hive scum weapon uses heavy attack for hordes

[glacial gyro]

which is infuriating because its one of two nodes you can use to get to Sweet Spot, neither of which do anything for ranged

[radiant swift]

swaping from them to the non specific weapons is insane in the difference

[bronze glade]

i think we need to examine your definition of good...

[tropic crag]

bonesaw is crazy good, people just hate slower weapons (even before i hurt my hand i loved slower weapons tho)

[bronze glade]

the actual damage output is ok, but i don't think it's "crazy good"

[zealous ravine]

i like branx pickaxe so the slowness is not the issue

[glacial gyro]

Bonesaw isn't even that slow if you build properly

[bronze glade]

i mean show me a clip of the weapon being crazy good

[velvet iris]

My way of good. Is judged by how much fun I'm having, not what the meta says

[tropic crag]

yeah its the scums shovel tbh, the jack of all trades master of none weapon, and i normally love those weapons but yeah bonesaw was suprisingly fun

[bronze glade]

this suddenly makes a lot of sense

[radiant swift]

idk the crow bar felt like shit to me

[tropic crag]

its not, its like as fast as greathammer on slayer, which was like medium speed

[bronze glade]

if only there was another word for that sentiment

[zealous ravine]

i mean a slow wep can be great if it hits hard

[tropic crag]

where dual axes is fast

[bronze glade]

maybe "fun"

[velvet iris]

I play for fun.

[high gull]

Was beating the absolute shit ot of captains and bosses with rampage crowbar

[glacial gyro]

triple hammer bardin, the goat

two small hammers, one big one

[hasty agate]

Is there any critical strike chance baked into the dual auto pistols?

[high gull]

It's def good if you build your melee right

[shadow umbra]

also is the chainsword worth using at all for scum or nah

[tropic crag]

i always ran greathammer and greataxe because big weapons fun

[bronze glade]

the fun thing is that any melee weapon is good with adren rampage

even a weapon as shit as the crowbar

[foggy phoenix]

Think every weapon has like 5% by default.

[novel oracle]

Because it leads into this
Vultures mark already gives you 15% ranged crit (matches 3x chem dep for your main weapon without needing an extra node), and some extra dmg and movement speed
Vultures dodge basically gives you desperado but for melee too without needing desperado
Branching here also means you don't need a lot of right side nodes, so you have plenty of extra nodes to take there such as the clip size AND hyper crit (to compensate the lack of melee dmg)

[glacial gyro]

No but they are one of the only, if not the only, full auto weapon without crit strings, which makes proccing Vulture's Dodge much easier

[tropic crag]

but i do love all the slayer weapons... except cog

[zealous ravine]

idk crowbar feels nice then i flip it around and its guh

[radiant swift]

what are you running on it and how are you using it

[high gull]

I'll have to log in, and that requires getting out of bed.

[velvet iris]

Crowbar is your jack of all trades,

[zealous ravine]

the special is so clunky and the damage isnt impressive

[bronze glade]

the special's prob the better part of it tbh

[zealous ravine]

fr?

[bronze glade]

yeah the horde clear is ass

[high gull]

I don't wanna sound rude tho, but what level are you and what's the main difficulty you play on?

[radiant swift]

fair, I am willing/want to change my opinion on it, but idk just feels bad no matter how I spin it

[glacial gyro]

Crowbar is worse chainaxe, there I said it

[zealous ravine]

the horde clear is fine lo

[zealous ravine]

😨 ?

[tropic crag]

its not a weapon that hits peaks its a jack of all trades weapon so expect everything it does to be "good enough"

[frigid sluice]

Trying to get the penance where I get heavy attack kills while stimming what weapon should I use

[high gull]

I've heard people say something about bleed on scum.

No idea how good or viable it is tho.

[glacial gyro]

Bleed is for shivs

[young herald]

once they fixed the crate giving you dependency stacks, it's not that bad. The right tree is the worst of the 3, design-wise (feels like FS struggled to decide what they wanted it to be and just kitchen sink'd it a bit), but it's got enough synergies and flow with the rest of the tree it's still in a pretty good spot

[bronze glade]

rashad is about 3x faster.

[zealous ravine]

idk it literally being unable to hit more than a single target and being clunky in special should do good damage

[velvet iris]

Auric, level 30 with everyone but vet. Wanna play havoc but lack friends lol

[bronze glade]

i don't expect most weapons to be rashad level

but 3x is a bit much

[novel oracle]

Heavy sword 9 sounds great for that

[tropic crag]

bleed on shovel is really good so i could see it being good on crowbar easily

[zealous ravine]

im gonna be fr i equip rashad then i stop wanting to use it in 5 minutes every time

i've tried it SOO many times

[high gull]

You're here, the perfect shithole to meet like minded folks...kinda

[bronze glade]

yeah i don't use it either

[high gull]

[frigid sluice]

Is that the one in your build or is that 7

[velvet iris]

[high gull]

Hold on a damn second

[zealous ravine]

some weps just don work for me ig lol

[high gull]

HS gets shovel?

[novel oracle]

Shovel attacks way faster inherently and has uncanny tbh
Also I dont think crowbar has a method of inflicting bleed

[glacial gyro]

Something with sweeping horizontal heavies. Dclaw is good for that, chaxe 4 is good for that, heavy sword 9(I think) is good for that

[tropic crag]

no lol, but i compare the crowbar to the shovel

[shadow umbra]

chem dependancy gives a great amount of cdr for ability cooldown up to 40% which is massive with 12% cdr, so you have 52% cdr which is about a ~23 cooldown for desperado, so you can constantly stay in desperado quite often
it also offers more crit chance and more toughness damage reduction (20% crit and 20% tdr)
It also lasts much longer than vulture's mark and doesnt require a specific enemy for it to even give those benefitd while chem dep is always up and constantly giving you these passive bonuses

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/plancton-gif-4547304069248189847

[zealous ravine]

i forget the shovels exist

[bronze glade]

blessings do be kinda ass on cbar

[velvet iris]

The crowbar can inflict brittleness I believ

[high gull]

Thought that was the saw

[novel oracle]

It isnt, im saying 9 cuz after the overhead h1 its only heavy sweeps so you just heavy spam into a crowd
The 7 alternates between h1 and either a light or special

[frigid sluice]

Bet

[radiant swift]

crowbar get's can opener

[hasty agate]

I found out last night that the crowbar has built in thrust

[radiant swift]

which inflicts brittleness it doesn't do so be defualt afaik

[frigid sluice]

What does 9 do for single target damage

[high gull]

Wipe a lil bit of purple windex on your saw, and suddenly crushers get weak

[tropic crag]

yeah crowbar is like a slightly shifted shovel, slower and more bonky over faster and more choppy... lol idk i just said it would be good i'm too caught up with bonesaw to know the other weapons blessings lol

[zealous ravine]

why does the crowbar even have thrust can they just move that to TH instead

[radiant swift]

mini thrust

[velvet iris]

The saw can too, but the can opener mode can do brittleness with a mastery thingy

[radiant swift]

it's a much much less powerful boost then thrust afaik

[high gull]

Fuck it

I guess I will get out of bed

FUUUUUUCK

[zealous ravine]

woke

[hasty agate]

The stims be calling

[young herald]

special -> H1 loop, and it does pretty well, though it's a heavy sword and so struggles into carapace

[frigid sluice]

Alright

Fuck I’m low on money I gotta do something

[young herald]

play aurics

[frigid sluice]

New havoc is easier right

[young herald]

bam, problem solved

[tropic crag]

yeah casual auric playing makes you rich in most resources

[frigid sluice]

Splendid

[foggy phoenix]

I've convinced myself I'll reach 100 hive scum games with more than 75% of my matches being havoc

[tropic crag]

i'm sorry for your loss

[foggy phoenix]

The pain is self-inflicted.

[zealous ravine]

havoc moment

[high gull]

That they do matey

@broken bear Hey stink ass

Wanna run a few matches?

[novel oracle]

My point with vultures dodge is that cooldown becomes irrelevant, you literally are considered dodging for ranged AND melee even when desperado is down, this also has no bearing on your stacks too
And its very point thrifty, allowing you to take more nodes to juice your damage, like dodge for 20% crit (meaning I reliably have as much if not more crit anyway), 25% dr on reload for the .5s youre not immune during a reload, sticky hands for a tighter spread, plus more general ranged nodes
The 20% loss of tdr from chem dep doesnt matter cuz you literally are immune to nearly every source of damage 95% of the time in combat with vultures dodge

[hasty agate]

What’s the public opinion on “Calling for a Time Out”?

[zealous ravine]

the wuh

[tropic crag]

which one is that

[young herald]

tdr on reload

[tropic crag]

names are hard man

[young herald]

it's fine

[novel oracle]

Dope on a ranged build
No point on anything else

[foggy phoenix]

(Vulture's Dodge requires you to actively be shooting your gun since it only procs on ranged crits, and without desp, that means you'll eventually run out of ammo if you want to abuse the dodge)

[young herald]

nothing to write home about, but like cole says above, it gives you TDR in your very brief windows of vulnerability to anything

[tropic crag]

oh... yeah no point on melee build fine on range build i'd think

[novel oracle]

Pickpocket exists

[young herald]

scum doesn't have ammo limitations

full stop

[novel oracle]

And you can have desperado to pop in your back pocket to make ammo instantly if you manage to run out

[zealous ravine]

hive scum gets more ammo gen in 3 minutes than a gunlugger in 3 matches probably

[tropic crag]

yeah this is true even on melee builds that take zero ammo buffs because the standard ammo economy is super generous on the weapons

[foggy phoenix]

I can and will hoard all the ammo drops even with pickpocket.

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-fury-movie-shoot-that-guy-gif-8829002926137263043

[tropic crag]

like i don't think i've ever used half my needle guns ammo and i've started shooting poxies and things for fun

[foggy phoenix]

Hey, that's what the funni UI elements and left aura are for

So long as your team doesn't go orange ammo for too long, all is well

Otherwise, all the ammo is mine.

[high gull]

@novel oracle Are you currently screenshot farming for ego atm or are you free?

[versed spruce]

Anyone else not really a fan of how shoe-horned the talent tree is for Scum

[high gull]

That's Cole's fault tbh

He's head playtester

[versed spruce]

Vulture only makes sense to run with Desperado, Adrenaline only makes sense to run with Rampage

Box and Dependency are generalist but also it's far right instead of middle

[hasty agate]

Excluding Vodge, butterfly, slippery customer and time out (I already know the value of these) sell me on three points to invest somewhere.

[high gull]

Get the blitz toxin perk for memes

[bronze glade]

i think you could run hybrid builds if you wanted to tbh

i haven't gotten around to experimenting as much with them besides dependency tho

[hasty agate]

I’ve been looking at Coated Weaponry with the shivs for a while now.

[tame junco]

Rate the fit

[hallow raft]

I did a thing: https://github.com/thyazide/Darktide-Performance-Optimizations

[novel oracle]

Im at work

[high gull]

Back alley London shanker/10

[high gull]

WHo the fuck out here buying pet supplies at 8 pm

[tame junco]

type shit

[raven matrix]

From gunlugger ogryns everywhere… Furk you stein.

[novel oracle]

Swift certainty is probably the biggest helper in covering your lack of melee damage
Calling for a time out is really nice on a magdump build
Jittery is up so often and youll always get value out of more effective dodges
Precision strikes despite being melee is always nice to have for those moments when youre forced into it

[novel oracle]

A lot of ppl actually

[novel oracle]

I got interrupted right here

[novel oracle]

And finished up here

I still have an hour to go

[high gull]

Great now you can do all those havok 40 carries I promised people you'd do for them

[novel oracle]

Dude I have to sleep early I've got an exam at like 11 and my sleep schedule is fucked

Also dont wanna play darktide until the hitbox stuff is fixed cuz its nightmarish

[hasty agate]

Do you mean swift endurance and precision violence?

[shell fiber]

dog shit

[novel oracle]

Yes lmao

[tame junco]

you just mad cause i said skill iss

[novel oracle]

I love it when im locked in place by 3 poxwalkers cuz my fat dumpy got shadowbuffed bigtime

[charred bronze]

this would be up constantly imo. Effectively immortality

[charred bronze]

they just need a bit of a cuddle, you monster

[high gull]

Wait so it's not gas lighting

[shell fiber]

got better drip tho

[high gull]

They're actually fucked?

[radiant swift]

it's the hit box bug doing that ant not just my being bad?

[hasty agate]

The solution to the bullshit poxburster heresy is to just shove the poxburster from a farther distance away from it than you’re used to.

[tame junco]

Drip is nothing in the hive

Not while your being stabbed

[radiant swift]

it's drip or drown in the hive city

[tame junco]

remember that

[frigid thorn]

Do you need stoked rage at all on rampage builds? I feel like smiter gives you stacks so fast for adrenaline lol

[novel oracle]

No its real

[high gull]

Did the Swedes acknowledge it even being potentially fixed?

[hasty agate]

Stim Collector is the only thing that can reduce the cooldown on the Cartel Special, correct?

[novel oracle]

Yea

[high gull]

Ayeee so Hank wasn't right

I knew fuckery was afoot

[bronze glade]

its been so annoying

getting stuck on random pieces of terrain

[hasty agate]

Is the ranged build you have in the pins Havoc 40 certified?

[proud rapids]

what's the best heavy strike melee for scum?

[radiant swift]

trying to get that penance?

probably use one of the heavy swords

[dreamy rover]

No Man's land in a nutshell

[vast yoke]

you probably already have a crowbar

its horde clear (outside of rampage) is light heavy, and its single target outside of alt mode is heavy light

but yeah besides that ig heavy sword is all heavy spam, but if you're broke then u dont gotta

[proud rapids]

i'm max

[vast yoke]

pleased to meet you max

jk

then heavy sword + needle gun

[proud rapids]

just wonder what would be best for the penance

[vast yoke]

have fun

[supple torrent]

why no nimble on your gun zealot? Is it just due to the gunner dodge issue?

[broken bear]

sure

[broken bear]

The humble vultures dodge.

[novel oracle]

Yes, very

[supple torrent]

He took slippery customer and jittery so I'm wondering how he valued each

[broken bear]

sliding giving melee immune is just cracked to have tbh

its so nice for doin objectives were u carry something

[novel oracle]

You're mostly dodging for mobility most of the time
With the fact that youre rarely using stamina cuz it regens so fast and costs nothing during desperado Jittery refunds em so fast

[drowsy relic]

ranged scum is so so so so good

it's fucking crazy

[novel oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1448255358417244212/image.png?ex=693de428&is=693c92a8&hm=faf158d0f8283cd27fc0b6c026e68f2b2a713606fec6cc005a93bebd82282813&

[broken bear]

ngl

where tf do you even find havoc 40

ive never played

[supple torrent]

ah so its sort of. Gotta lose a node somehere and its just the weakest

[novel oracle]

Havoc 40 is the highest rank in havoc

So you have to climb up there or join someone who's there

[broken bear]

well yea havoc ig

[novel oracle]

I skip it on a lot of builds cuz the dodge speed and distance can sometimes mess you up more than it helps

[broken bear]

this is true

muscle memory n all

[vast yoke]

if it was completely reliable (netcode issues make it jank) it'd be so perfect, the rare occasions you slide into a rager or crusher and take 0 damage feel so good

[broken bear]

worth tbh

[vast yoke]

but then randomly mid slide a poxwalker will spank you

still very good

[broken bear]

i play with a little "this would be really fun when it works"

[vast yoke]

tbh i go between the slidey talent and nimble depending on my melee

if its shivs or cknife i find nimble isn't that crazy high value, hell half the time it makes me dodge off cliffs

but shit like rashad, crowbar, bonesaw, chaxe really like it

[supple torrent]

Oh yeah I have been dodging off platforms more often

[vast yoke]

so if i go cknife which is my goto on desperado i go slide talent

idk i never go both too many good talents on the tree

need more... damage...

[frigid wyvern]

oceana servers for havoc.....

[bronze glade]

meme gamemode

[frigid wyvern]

so stuck doing auric qp

[bronze glade]

i usually queue for auric HITSG

or maelstrom if the modifier isn't annoying

[frigid wyvern]

i mean when auric havoc first came out i got to around 38

but was burnt out

[novel oracle]

Its gotten much harder since then

Well last season was harder but this season is still harder than the first one

[versed spruce]

Could, but it doesn't create very interesting gameplay or give you new mechanics

And it certainly won't synergize together well

Instead of being really good at one thing and not needing the other, I can only imagine you would just be mediocre at both

Hive Scum is designed kind of brutish imo

It's all number moving except for box, which is just numbers in an AoE

[bronze glade]

i don't think rampage synergizes much with vulture but desp could work well with rampage

desp has long downtime

so i think a hyrid build could actually be quite good there

[novel oracle]

How come mom lets you have TWO abilities??

[versed spruce]

I thought I remembered looking at Rampage with ranged in mind and the only thing applying to it being attack speed

[bronze glade]

box with dependency or vultures doesn't really make sense to me tho

[bronze glade]

lol desp with adren is what i was trying to say

[versed spruce]

Unless you just mean making melee better while desp is on cooldown

[drowsy relic]

Watched a psyker say "Hive scammed" then push a poxburster towards me and it's like you're a psyker main dude

[versed spruce]

I think I'm more sadge about the abilities not doing anything interesting other than making refresh-brains really excited

[young herald]

because one comes in a stim

[mighty belfry]

I feel Havoc is more dead than usual because of the hitbox bug

[versed spruce]

Rampage has Bellows at least

That's neat

[mighty belfry]

Which, I get it honestly

[limber cradle]

I'm not playing havoc cause of the state of the game rn tbh

[mighty belfry]

Yeah honestly it's not even the phantom overheads or the poxbursters bothering me that much anymore

It's getting stuck on so many things I know I shouldn't be.

Playing on Silo Cluster is a fucking nightmare rn

[novel oracle]

I play havoc cuz i need to prove people on the internet wrong

You dont understand

I have to do this

[broken bear]

@high gull lets not talk abt that

[high gull]

That wasn't even really us

It was mostly that vet being dead weight

[mighty belfry]

Shivs turns nimble into a movement speed node lol

[broken bear]

i was shitting myself abt the snipers like

vet?? handle them???

i have two broken pipes and a needle gun???

[low harbor]

Avg psyker main performance

[high gull]

I woulda shield tanked that sniper shot

I just saw the laser at the last second

Trying to rescue bro

[mighty belfry]

Take the vets job. Shoot them.

[high gull]

We were literally being walled in by crushers and bulwarks

With gunners in the back line

That vet spent more time as a bench warmer than a actual teammate

That's my fault tho, I shoulda remembered

Altruism kills

[mighty belfry]

Kill them all.

[broken bear]

argus im doin melee scum protect me ok

kill the ranged wizard bitch

[high gull]

Aren't you lucky

I have a shotgun that acts as a sniper

[broken bear]

@high gull wait how u get that emblem

[limber cradle]

Have fun big dog

[high gull]

What emblem?

[broken bear]

the candle thin

[high gull]

It's from the event

[broken bear]

o i got it then

[rotund agate]

I once experienced a wipe on one of the Carnival maps in a team with 2 other scum, and at the defeat screen one of them said ”3 scum is a failed mission straight away because no support”

[mighty belfry]

Funny thing. I think crate actually promotes hybrid scum more than anything

[vast yoke]

found a way to buff the stub pistols

[rotund agate]

I myself am mostly just rashad melee scum when playing my crate build, but I might try something other than needler with it at some point (maybe VIAG?)

[high gull]

Breh

Ngl I view anymore than one psyker on a team as a loss

[mighty belfry]

Double barrel is very good with it.

[vast yoke]

i run bone saw with bistol for consistenc

[versed spruce]

@neon fern

[high gull]

Having more than 1 psyker on a team as always resulted in a mission fail

Every

Single

Time

[mighty belfry]

Also stub pistols

[high gull]

@broken bear Oh btw my food arrived

Aaand my game crashexd

[rotund agate]

Sounds like a good reason to take a break and eat the food that just arrived.

[broken bear]

yea i saw

[vast yoke]

I'd run DB if i trusted my team

the group i play with would sooner shoot a pox walker* 150 meters away than the dog on me

[tropic crag]

the dog just wants to be your friend

[vast yoke]

it sticks better to my coherency than my actual friends

[sturdy linden]

box with dependency is pretty good in hi-int and above because the density and Sample Collector allows you to just keep tossing the box down both for your stacks and for the team

and I'm talking 100% visc stimm

[bronze glade]

you're going to be pretty reliant on pickpocket

and using your gun for horde clear

[sturdy linden]

no?

[neat knot]

"This short is dedicated to yall gangers." - some guy with 700+ hours on only Veteran.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4-4A07q7w1c

[bronze glade]

i mean your melee will suffer a lot with a build like that

[sturdy linden]

I only use gun on distant problematic targets or bosses

[sturdy linden]

again, no?

[bronze glade]

stimm is up for 20s

you can prob get it back in 20-30 seconds

so that's a lot of downtime

[sturdy linden]

uhh if my stimm isn't active it isn't crippling me or anything though?

[drowsy relic]

auric game by the way

[sturdy linden]

40-50% game uptime for a teamwide buff is pretty good idk

[bronze glade]

obviously not, but HIV melee is significantly weaker without taking at least adren??

also i'm not sure why you'd take box with dep

[sturdy linden]

I really don't feel that. I run this setup either with Saw, or with Boxcutters. Tons of tox application with both, Saw because crit Saw, boxcutters because speedge

[bronze glade]

what's the synergy for that

[bronze glade]

i mean it's just a fact tbh

adren is super fucking strong

[mighty belfry]

Wait what does the team have to do with this tho

[sturdy linden]

it is, but crate+chem dep is more than good enough, just that your power is spread across the team instead of concentrated in you

[bronze glade]

are you running dep just for the crit?

doesn't seem worth it to me

[vast yoke]

the five snipers by team refuse to kill

[sturdy linden]

crit, TDR

consistently up at all times

[bronze glade]

yeah idk, nto a build i'd run, but if you like it, go for it

[sturdy linden]

it's just fun cracking out your team with strength and speed

here guys, have some adderall

[mighty belfry]

You can snipe with it

Sticky reduces your spread like crazy

And you can get three shells per reload which matters a lot

[vast yoke]

huh. is that so...

[bronze glade]

yeah which you can also do with adren

which is how i run my drugs build

[vast yoke]

tapping in...

[mighty belfry]

It's really, really strong actually.

[bronze glade]

sticky is pretty incredible

it's like the spread reduction portion of exec stance

[vast yoke]

what blessings and perks do you run wonderful woman in my phone

[bronze glade]

but permanently on

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08eaf88-054e-4679-aa8a-3a67fad25ffa/this-is-dumb

[bronze glade]

i think WS vet ruined running DB as a sidearm on any other class for me

[vast yoke]

I'll keep the shotgun build I think I might disregard the rest haha </3

[mighty belfry]

If you needed evidence of results, this kinda does it

https://gyazo.com/58139107332fa823f6dded2ec2a6874a

[vast yoke]

tbh i can see it

[mighty belfry]

Not havoc tested. But I need to.

[vast yoke]

i mean

hm

adrenaline surge is kinda bad and it's really the only keystone choice viable here

wait maybe you're cooking

[mighty belfry]

I wouldn't recommend a keystone with that build tbh

[bronze glade]

no keystone HIV?

that's crazy

[sturdy linden]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[mighty belfry]

Idk why this is so controversial. There's a bunch of operative nodes that are good enough to forgo keystones honestly

[vast yoke]

honestly... yeah

everyone stapled me to a cross when i said adrenaline surge ain't alladat

[bronze glade]

saw's shit but adren's still a pretty significant improvement

[mighty belfry]

I've been running it with the shivs lately tbh

[lapis raft]

finally i have the display names, this was painful

[tropic crag]

because keystones are fun and fun should be valued

[vast yoke]

you can't have fun without keystones this is known

[mighty belfry]

Keystones on this class honestly are not that interesting to me

[vast yoke]

10% attack speed for 3 points take it or leave it

[bronze glade]

then you'd want adren even more then...

[bronze glade]

1 point, and we're just ignoring the 25% melee damage?

[mighty belfry]

No.

[tropic crag]

i wasn't speaking against you liking it but saying why its controversial... people find keystones fun because they tend to feel a bit like a second active ability and give more "things are happening" vibes while playing

[mighty belfry]

Because honestly it doesn't actually help that much compared to losing out on some of those nodes.

[vast yoke]

1 point adrenaline surge on bone saw

25% extra damage on bonesaw is like putting butter on charcoal and calling it toast

just kidding

[bronze glade]

1 point to make your shit weapon slightly less shit

[mighty belfry]

And because I'm usually heavy spamming on shivs with that build, stacks just don't really stack as quickly.

[bronze glade]

you're playing mk3?

the more i hear about this

the worse it gets

next you're going to tell me you're playing with mk3 haymaker

[mighty belfry]

Do you see what ranged weapon that build is using???

[bronze glade]

yeah

i saw

[tropic crag]

the attack speed of adren makes your weapons improve by the same amount slayers did... its one of the biggest reasons why so many weapons good on slayer weren't on others... that attack speed is kind of great

[mighty belfry]

Why the hell would i need horde clear?

[bronze glade]

cuz on higher difficulties having competent melee capabilities

on a non-desp build

is a good fucking idea??

[vast yoke]

the issue with 1 point bone saw is that shit won't even trigger until half way thru most encounters, works on shivs tho

[tropic crag]

like the bone saw is the same speed as the greathammer nearly so that 10% brings it up to where it goes full silly mode

[vast yoke]

not wrong tbh i always go adren and double +3 stam on bonesaw

[tropic crag]

i trigger it all the time on bonesaw....its the only weapon i've used alot so far

[vast yoke]

then it actually feels playable

[mighty belfry]

It's competent enough for what I need it for!!!

[bronze glade]

🤷 whatever

personally if you plan on going DB horde clear memes

[tropic crag]

because you're usually relying on rampage at the start of fights adren kicks in at a nice time, but i'm not saying that no keystone builds are bad at all

[bronze glade]

i think you should just embrace

it

instead of doing this half-assed shit

[vast yoke]

you be using bone saw with rampage? very brave

[sturdy linden]

the amount of shit-talking Saw gets despite being an actually good weapon

[bronze glade]

it's not horrible

but it's not good either

[tropic crag]

? its overly tanky and wrecks things

[bronze glade]

and it feels like shit to play

[sturdy linden]

the reason it has shit base cleave and shit base crit is because it turns into a monster if you give it either or both

[vast yoke]

no you don't get it light spamming the crowbar on rampage is so much better trust me /s

[amber sundial]

Saw is a decent weapon, I just do NOT like its atk speed even with buffs

[tropic crag]

which the scum can do in spades

[bronze glade]

yeah it feels really bad

[sturdy linden]

I guess people just don't like the hit-linger

I don't mind it at all

also I like using my brain on some weapons and their combos instead of spamming right trigger all game

[vast yoke]

convinced ppl that hate the bone saw just haven't heard of push attacks

[tropic crag]

honestly? i get why people wouldn't like it... its light attack pattern is very much like the greathammers in speed and how you use it so i'm just used to bonking every head but i get why people wouldn't want to learn the slower weapons

[bronze glade]

ironically, saw is best used light spamming

[tropic crag]

yeah the saw pushstabs a good amount

[bronze glade]

maybe a PA here or there

[vast yoke]

light spam / push light light and when hordes arrive pa heavy heavy light

[sturdy linden]

yes but you also weave in PAs often enough, and you start combat afresh with an h1 to get your Shock and Awe going

[vast yoke]

literally all I use

[bronze glade]

heavies are too slow

[vast yoke]

not with how much stamina I'm running

[tropic crag]

i use mostly lights, i use alot of pushstabs, and i mix in heavy 2's once in a while

[amber sundial]

Saw just doesn’t feel like it should be that slow though
At least with hammer it’s actually feels like it deserves the weight

[bronze glade]

i've tried it

with 9 stam HIV

it's slow as fuck either way

9 stam doesn't save it

[vast yoke]

the cleave and extra reach on heavies is worth using on high density

[mighty belfry]

Just try the damn build

[sturdy linden]

my general routine with it is to use H1 right at the start to get the first kill for S&A, then start with PA->heavy or PA->light for the first few cleave buffs, then go into light spam

and occasionally throwing in PA-heavies when the horde gets a bit too dense

[vast yoke]

half of the people on this discord are performative you gotta understand this

it's very fun pretending to play the game while arguing about it

[tropic crag]

more or less me on auto when i hit w into a horde

[sturdy linden]

yeah I mean it's a pretty easy pattern to remember

I don't even use purple goop 99% of the time because the tox is so silly

[bronze glade]

i'm good. i already have a HIV DB build

[tropic crag]

i get you, its def slower than i thought it was going to be but honestly i love the feel after using it for a while

[tropic crag]

yeah most of the time, if i don't have or am not using the needle gun on carapace, i'll just wack it a bunch with the tox

after testing it in the meat grinder i was just like "oh" and stopped trying to use purple lol

[mighty belfry]

Idk what's so hard to believe about a keystoneless build working on this class

[bronze glade]

yeah definitely not speaking from a position of experience or anything

[bronze glade]

i just have the game open in the background 24/7 while i argue with people on discord

[vast yoke]

i don't know half of my frontal lobe turned to liquid after huffing hot glue

[vast yoke]

i never mentioned you

[bronze glade]

of course not

[vast yoke]

you got rage baited by the wrong hook

sorry

[bronze glade]

do you take me for a llm?

[vast yoke]

hmm

I'll get back to you on that

chatgpt told me to say no

[bronze glade]

i feel like some people here aren't as subtle and clever as they they think they are

[vast yoke]

i was born with water in my Brian

[drowsy relic]

Every time I open this chat I swear

[foggy phoenix]

Brian died for your sins

Repent

[zealous ravine]

ch*tgpt ho w do i spel my nam e

[frigid sluice]

whats the 3rd light in the horde combo for I always loop back to pa/bc after the second heavy

[bronze glade]

gais chatgpt said you should take keystoneson hive scum

[tropic crag]

chatgpt couldn't clear uprise tbh so we shouldn't listen to them

[mighty belfry]

I don't need to listen to a robot. Thanks.

[amber sundial]

Abominable “intelligence”

[bronze glade]

you're gonna hurt their feelings 😢

[mighty belfry]

I also get self conscious when I see posts like this lol

[amber sundial]

Bwomp

[round jay]

Man, I really want to like HS, but playing with anything outside bonesaw+toxic renewal feels awful for regenerating thoughness

skill issue i guess

[amber sundial]

precision violence is damn good at getting toughness back tbh

[bronze glade]

you're taking PV, tis but a scratch and burst of energy right?

[round jay]

Yeah, but after so long with that combo, anything else feels like droplets

[round jay]

It's borderline mandatory for the class to not die by a sneeze

now it takes a breeze

[bronze glade]

if you have a fast attacking weapon with pv

it's pretty hard to go down as long as there's shit to hit

[versed spruce]

Yes, taking keystones such as Martyrdom, Focus Target, and Survivalist on the Hive Scum class can be helpful for providing boosts to stats or survivability, or even synergizing with other talents, such as True Grit and Thrust.

[bronze glade]

we have AGI

[round jay]

Like many people pointed out already, main problem is that for regenerating any toughness, you're obligated to be engaged 24/7, and there have been plenty of times where i'm getting peppered across the map by gunners n such while there's no trash anywhere nearby

[frigid sluice]

I'm no better

https://tenor.com/view/daiwa-scarlet-daiwa-try-not-to-laugh-ishowspeed-dasca-gif-7053030785952324560

[bronze glade]

duck into cover and you'll get a bunch of toughness back

tis but a scratch is super strong

[mighty belfry]

Oh do understand my situation is on the sheer opposite end of the spectrum compared to this LMAO

[frigid sluice]

gg

[mighty belfry]

I'm at like

...nearly 3.4k hours now?

[round jay]

It still kinda sucks, specially when you're queued with teammates that are allergic to shooting gunners

[versed spruce]

Must be nice to be able to play it that much

[round jay]

kinda, not just straight out sucking. but it's just the problem from the class itself rn

[mighty belfry]

I do have a full timer. I'm just hopelessly addicted to this game

[amber sundial]

minor amount compared to you lol

[round jay]

Fairly confident it's gonna be addressed next patch

[frigid sluice]

every mf here in the triple digits

oh mein gott

[versed spruce]

I'm only 970 so far

Or so

[round jay]

I got 2k from Vermintide and 200 in Darktide, so, by translating skills, i'd have an average 1k for darktide lol

[versed spruce]

Honestly I can only admire consistently loving it for so long

[bronze glade]

It's ten percent toughness per second back which is some of the highest in the game. If you take with hive city brawler you become reasonable resilient

[novel oracle]

this was psykers previous problem

except theirs was worse cuz it basically all relied on kills

not just being engaged, you had to screenwipe

the moment they made it not that, psyker just became insanely more OP

[mighty belfry]

Idk. This game diverges my neurons in a way I can't really find with anything else.

[round jay]

How I feel with TF2.

Except I regret sinking 10k+ hours in it

[bronze glade]

it really is peak

nothing like collecting skulls

for the golden throne!

[foggy phoenix]

Wonder if HS getting launcher buffs mean Ogryn will get their explosive blitzes buffed for powercreep compensation. Maybe the zealot flame nades, too.

[mighty belfry]

Hot take. I don't think Chem nades are as overtuned as people make them out to be

[bronze glade]

i mean it's because all the HIV blitzes are so good

[mighty belfry]

It's more that their counterpart being immolation grenades, they are strictly and exponentially better at doing the same thing.

[bronze glade]

let's not forget chem nades are literally immolation nades but better

[foggy phoenix]

I see them as better flame nades.
Flame nades that actually benefit from toxin-related talent nodes which acknowledge it exists.

[bronze glade]

they are so much better than immols tho

immols are ok

chem nades are just on a different level

[mighty belfry]

So they look overtuned in comparison.

If anything, I'd rather they buff immolation grenades than nerf chem nades.

[foggy phoenix]

Flame nades are the red-headed orphans you lock away in the cellar and never see again

[versed spruce]

Genuinely nothing like it to the same extent

[bronze glade]

hot take but bazooka was overbuffed

and chem nades need to be toned down

[foggy phoenix]

The launcher makes ogryn nades (and box of nades) cry

[low harbor]

nah it's cool

[bronze glade]

the power creep will continue until morale improves

[versed spruce]

Every other horde shooter/slasher gets unsatisfying gameplay, numbers overtuned, poor skill expression, lackluster sound and animation design

[foggy phoenix]

Ogryn nuke no longer the best tool to screenclear when in a panic

[mighty belfry]

Its the skill expression and payoff that does it for me.

[amber sundial]

Not buffed enough, the backblast isn’t strong enough

[low harbor]

I don't mind rocket being super high dmg when hvs is overwhelmingly a dps oriented class

[foggy phoenix]

And you only get 1 nuke.

[bronze glade]

i kinda agree, but the power gap is pretty significant between the two blitzes

[mighty belfry]

I've never played a game that rewards you getting better at it by pure feedback as much as this game does.

[low harbor]

within hvs's own kit, I think the 3 are balanced together neatly

[bronze glade]

i still think zook should've gotten +1 (with some buffs) or the current buffs

but not both

current zook just feels way too forgiving

i can take 4 of them

so i need maybe one nade pickup a match?

and that gives me 8 get out of jail free cards

[mighty belfry]

I'll be real. I think zooks fine because you can't just pull it out and immediately nuke everything around you like other blitzes.

[bronze glade]

the draw time isn't even that bad tho

[tropic crag]

i think they're fine atm, are they a bit over the top? yeah... but not in a way that ruins my fun if ones on the team... or even 2 or 3, besides it being loud its still fun

[bronze glade]

draw/charge even

[mighty belfry]

It's not just the draw time. It's the fire time too.

[tropic crag]

its alot slower than most other blitzes... besides like head burst or something

[mighty belfry]

It doesn't seem like a lot but under pressure, that time matters a lot more than you might think

[pallid quail]

you say that like the ogryn nuke doesnt take a year to pull out

[foggy phoenix]

You get exactly one though

[eternal quail]

rocket fun

[tropic crag]

this is why rock is the best, its fast AND funny

[eternal quail]

too bad you cant jump with it

[pallid quail]

rock is indeed funny

[mighty belfry]

I've never felt as clunky with ogryn nade honestly but, that being said, having only one compared to potentially four rockets

Ya there's a discrepancy there for sure.

[tropic crag]

honestly oggy needs blitzes less

they are the blitz

[foggy phoenix]

The rockets are multi-use panic tools while the ogryn nuke has to find the one and only scenario where no one else has something to immediately use because it's going to be uncertain when the next grenade pickup will be

[eternal quail]

now i am imagining ogryn tackle but they have the nuke in their arm like a football

TOUCHDOWN 💥

[spark gyro]

The Ogrynheimer™

[frigid sluice]

replace rock blitz with a grab that targets teammates and throws them into the enemy

[tropic crag]

but the oggy also has like 2 other options on short or no cooldown to take care of any other problems that come around until that... because when an oggy actually NEEDS blitz... things are bad bad, normal classes have more needs for blitzes

[eternal quail]

thats what im saying

[spark gyro]

Ogryn has the wet chicken slap

[eternal quail]

i would love that

throw the zealot into the enemy

[frigid sluice]

throw the zealot into the void

[amber sundial]

The team watching as the ogryn throws the exploding psyker into the horde

[tropic crag]

never replace rock, there would be riots in the streets and nations would collapse

[hasty agate]

Hear me out….give the Psyker an Ogryn saddle.

[mighty belfry]

We don't talk about that here.

[bronze glade]

yeah i mean it's what 2-2.5 seconds? pretty much a nonissue for how much boom you get

[mighty belfry]

Forbidden

[foggy phoenix]

I'd argue ogryns use their blitz less largely because they have the smallest quantity of them by default, and except for a single-target anti-spec/elite rock, none of them regenerate

[bronze glade]

i've pulled it out at point blank range at times to save my ass

[foggy phoenix]

Less inclined to actually use a blitz if you aren't sure it'll be the last time you ever get to use it

[eternal quail]

i like the draw and fire time for the rocket

[bronze glade]

tbh i don't mind ogryn getting fucked

ogryn deserves to suffer

[eternal quail]

wtf

[pallid quail]

you deserve to suffer

[eternal quail]

whatd ogryns ever do to you...

[bronze glade]

a lot

fuck em

[eternal quail]

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/cray-lost-it-gone-mad-going-mad-stressed-gif-5502030

[foggy phoenix]

I'd say don't bully ogryns- But I'm sure bothering one will be its own punishment

[mighty belfry]

The ogrynheimer blowing up a congo line of poxbursters honing in on my position:

Despite me being perfectly ready to handle it

[foggy phoenix]

Shit like this is precisely why I play 5x more havoc than I do maelstroms

Some modifiers are just...

Pain

[bronze glade]

it was a mistake including the ogrynheimer build in the ogrynomicon

[mighty belfry]

Oh you think this is a poxburster modifier?

HAH

Happened on a 3veg last night to me

Like four poxbursters coming my way and I got the angle to push safely and oh I'm dead now

[foggy phoenix]

I don't think I've had the pleasure of seeing more than 4 bursters in a line outside of a maelstrom before

[mighty belfry]

You get some really fucked up seeds in maelstrom sometimes

[foggy phoenix]

Extra barrels

Extra bursters

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kung-fu-ai-orange-cat-fight-gif-8725930490492900021

[foggy phoenix]

Enhanced blitzes

[spark gyro]

1v1 me irl for the right to speak of the blessed one

[foggy phoenix]

Waves of mutants-

Truly the best combination of nonstop explosions

And QTEs

[tropic crag]

honestly oggy's just have alot of tools that solve the same problem as blitzes which is why they have less except the one that does a different job like you said

[mighty belfry]

Dodge sliding away from so many explosions that you've got the worst case of road burn in Tertium 🔥

[mighty belfry]

I will lose.

[spark gyro]

It's okay, we can do a best of 3

[foggy phoenix]

Road burn? Very generous way of describing the remaining 30% of my meat crayon

[mighty belfry]

Gee, that's so much more reassuring. Thanks!

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/platinum-games-vanquish-slide-rocket-slide-jet-gif-23934148

[mighty belfry]

Honestly, Hive Scum is just V1 Ultrakill.

[frigid sluice]

I did like ultrakill

[mighty belfry]

Dodge and slides everywhere, has infinite ammo.

[mighty belfry]

That is. Definitely a descriptive way of putting it.

[loud herald]

hey folks

hope yall are doin good

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

[loud herald]

good

[astral canyon]

Yep

[foggy phoenix]

That the term itself exists is worrying. Now you' know, too.

[astral canyon]

Just had my 20th bday

[loud herald]

oh hell yeah

happy borthday

[astral canyon]

Thx

[mighty belfry]

Happy birthday!

[steel granite]

Yo so. Pros and cons of knife vs shivs

[tropic crag]

both are pointy, thats a pro

[mighty belfry]

Knife is better single target. Shivs are more generalist.

[astral canyon]

Shivs also have the throw special

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. Which means a lot if you have coated as well

Honestly the knives are good in general really

Chem toxin op

[light linden]

The Enhanced Penance says to Replenish 2600% total Toughness with at least 50% Viscosity allocated in the Cartel Special. 🙂 Is this any kind of toughness replenishment?

[high gull]

English?

I don't understand what's being posted here.

[mighty belfry]

You have to be under the effects of the toughness stim

[worn gull]

What's the best infantry autogun mark?

[light linden]

Sorry, I wrote the exact words on the Penance 😅 I'm just wondering what kind of toughness replenishment will count towards the goal

[mighty belfry]

And also actually replenish toughness

[high gull]

The two final nodes of the toughness stimm tree

[light linden]

Gotcha, thanks!

[worn gull]

I think the talent that causes stims to recover toughness on the right side works for it too

[light linden]

And I assume this can be sped up by using Stimm Supply and replenishing teammates' toughness through it..? No?

[worn gull]

The initial drop I'm pretty sure does work towards it

[light linden]

Thanks. Thinking about it, I just realized the progress did shoot up after I tried Stimm Supply for a game.. Oh well, no harm in asking anyway

[frigid sluice]

would you pick the instant toughness replenishment node or the one that boosts toughness regeneration

[mighty belfry]

Instant toughness

[frigid sluice]

rad alright

[mighty belfry]

Was way easier to do the penance that way for me

[frigid sluice]

does it only apply once or can you pop in and out of the radius

[mighty belfry]

Pretty sure it only applies once

[frigid sluice]

damn

the toughness regeneration only applies to coherency right

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

[frigid sluice]

damn

[mighty belfry]

Meaning it's not very good.

[frigid sluice]

damn

[mighty belfry]

There's maybe an argument to be made about the damage resistance being nice

But as opposed to the other branches, I just don't think it holds up unfortunately

[astral canyon]

Damage resistance is pretty nice

[worn gull]

Are player hitboxes still busted?

[mighty belfry]

Ye

[astral canyon]

And immediately replenishing a decent chunk of your toughness is pretty good for emergencies

But compared to the other branches yeah its not as good

[charred bronze]

so busted

[mighty belfry]

If toughness regen was toughness replenishment instead

I'd change my tune entirely.

Because that would be really damn strong

[tropic crag]

toughness regen is pretty ok for some situations but yeah its not like a high value thing

its best when things are like... not terrible and not good, its like a mid more stat lol

[calm matrix]

do yall know if the 'Quick and Deadly' talent is dmg when close or ranged dmg when close?

[grave venture]

Have your average experience

[limber cradle]

Universal damage iirc

All when close

[calm matrix]

allright then

ty

[tropic crag]

its like 12 meters or something when it says close range

i think

[calm matrix]

it says "Close Ranged Damage..." so i didn't know if it was close ranged dmg or close-ranged dmg

[tropic crag]

yeah its confusing wording, but it just means any damage you do within a short range of you, any type usually

[tender marten]

its good

[tropic crag]

if not it will say "close range ranged damage" or whatever

12.5 not 12 whoops

[mighty belfry]

Oh. Why didn't I just look at Kuli's guide for this one

It's literally zealot's riposte but better lmao

[tropic crag]

the bonesaw wrecks the twins man, i just kind of lazily fight them for a while and they fall over

like more than most bosses it feels like but maybe i'm just bad against the human like bosses

so i'm seeing a bigger difference, but it feels like the bonesaw chews through their shields extra fast

[hasty agate]

Do you have flak armor on your bonesaw?

[tropic crag]

nope

[mighty belfry]

The heavy 1 does multiple hits

Like a chainsword almost

[tropic crag]

i'm using lights tho thats why i'm confused, i had the same thought

like its not crazy op insta killing them, but its doing it fast and easy... like super smooth

[hasty agate]

The shields on all captain bosses count as flak.

[tropic crag]

i didn't know that, thats actually neat to know, but yeah i don't have flak on it, lol i'm running crit and elite because i just threw random things on

actually looking at it, its probably relentless strikes

[hasty agate]

Yeah bonesaw eats flak for breakfast

[tropic crag]

you are right, after testing its why i put random things on because i noticed it could just handle maulers with chest shots

[bronze glade]

shields? they're voidshield

not flak

[hasty agate]

Nah I distinctly remember the shields being flak when twins dropped

[tropic crag]

either way, i'm not saying that bonesaw is like "the answer" to the human shaped bosses but it does way better than i thought

[bronze glade]

they're voidshield

[hasty agate]

They are a voidshield bro but they have a flak armor modifier

[bronze glade]

they're voidshield

voidshield is not the same as flak

it's a separate "armor"

[tropic crag]

might be a case where flak was affecting it because of how they put it in or something else tbh... or it is flak or not... either way we just swing away at them till they pop

[hasty agate]

Actually, it’s the twins specifically that have flak shields. The rest of any captain type boss is a voidshield.

So I was half wrong

[woeful hill]

no?

all shields are void shields

[hasty agate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/PTqBNA3dac

[bronze glade]

oh god

trusting reddit

[woeful hill]

oh no...

This is wrong btw

as the 2nd person with the most twins experience

This is 100% false

[novel oracle]

the difference between captain and twins shields are that the twins shields do NOT have a damage cap per hit

thats it

[woeful hill]

captain has like a 10% damage cap? then twins is 50%

both are void shields

omg

reading the post

[novel oracle]

and the twins themselves have a 1/4th health hit cap? iirc?

something around there

[woeful hill]

twins health is 20% damage cap

1/5

[abstract lichen]

Can I ask why does the shield of some captains never come back up

[tropic crag]

so it probably is the relentless strikes i'm seeing cause the shields to shred on my bonesaw

specifically on twin shields

because they just keep dying faster than i'm used to but i never run stuff like relentless strikes on things i was just testing stuff

[boreal blade]

did they change smth about stamina regen? feels half a sec slower now

[tropic crag]

feels the same to me

but i'm also dumb

[ripe fjord]

Does crit on sneedle pistol increase the damage from the dot? Or just the impact of the needle? AKA worthless

[woeful hill]

increases amount of stacks applied

[ripe fjord]

Oooo, so its good

[woeful hill]

here

[ripe fjord]

Oh tysm

[tropic crag]

needle pistol is such a nice weapon for when you don't want to have to commit anything to it

[worn gull]

Chain axe actually feels really good on melee scum

Heavy sword does not. What is the point of this weapon lmao

[tepid hare]

Is +10% melee damage or +5% crit aura better on Rampage build?

[bronze glade]

depends on the weapon prob

[bronze glade]

it's very good too, has great synergies with hyperviolence

[tepid hare]

using Shiv so im leaning toward +5% crit since faster swings more chance to proc

[bronze glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446085870175391857/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_External_Testing_-_2025-12-01_8-42-14_PM.mp4?ex=693de8aa&is=693c972a&hm=e5f4695a659ddda737242a5e2455ac1be17008b0b096485942ab9d3399ab9727&

[bronze glade]

i'd prob do crit then yah

[bitter marsh]

So the Needle pistol is an interesting little thing

Being able to melt stuff with it is pretty funny

[main wagon]

"Im gonna play my other characters to get more melkcoin to gamble for curios on scum!"

Check Brunt shop after 1 mission on my Psyker

[manic wolf]

Whats people's take on Refined Lethality blessing?

[ancient basin]

mid, only for anti boss really

maybe carapace

[digital drift]

are you telling me the twins can be killed by Tarkov leg meta? 👀

[pallid quail]

yeaj

leg meta also works on like gunners n whatnot on with like the arby shotty

[peak bloom]

too bad you cant choose different looks for different loadouts

hive scum being gang-colour themed makes any sort of face paint or hair dye a must-change to your gang

[plucky nymph]

idk where youre at kharne but

1 hitting bulwark rushes entirely with rocket is hilarious on h40

[sullen ridge]

why would you take this

i have never once been wanting for ammo even while never whipping out melee

pickpocket is inf ammo and if you waste your three mags on a horde you can just desperado it back up again

[plucky nymph]

its for teammates getting ammo

[sullen ridge]

10% is piddly..................

the ammo they get from you not picking up ammo is way more

[plucky nymph]

over an enitre h40 its i think 40-60% of everyones reserves?

they can pick up ammo and stil lget share between them u dont need to pick

if youre person A then person B can pick up and A C D get 10%

[ripe seal]

is there a bug where the cooldown on the stim seems inaccurate? since i'm getting times where i'm throwing down my stim case when its only at 90% and its still applying the stim and dependancy