hivescum-class

[vocal saffron]

barely noticeable

unless it drops in the open and ur aggro'd by shooters

then u just slide

i loooove rampage

i wish this was on zeal ,,

instead of shroudfield ,,

tee bee aych ,,

[drowsy relic]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/9RWpVDWKbt

B-b-b

[low harbor]

I thought before hvs release that rampage was gonna set dodge to negative 1 million

But srsly the current downsides of rampage are really tame lol

[drowsy relic]

Oh yeah like I've not never really noticed them

[low harbor]

I also think post tree shuffle the dual 1911s are quite a bit better than before since u can afford extra 2 points which really helps in its damage and accuracy

[drowsy relic]

It also has crit bonuses now

[low harbor]

Well it’s actually always worked

It just wasn’t written iirc

5% for reg shots, 20% for spin shots

[foggy phoenix]

I'll never use the dual stubbers because clawing at my mouse just to proc the special attack animation is awkward to aim with.

[low harbor]

U don’t actually have to use it

With run&gun + sticky fingers it’s accurate enough for almost all engagements you’ll need a gun for

[foggy phoenix]

But it'll be like using shotguns without loading a single special round

[low harbor]

The spin shots also aren’t that great

Massive reduction in fire rate for ass breakpoints

It only gets gud 1 taps on crit headshot lol

[drowsy relic]

I heard otherwise good to know

[supple kraken]

one could imagine dual laspistols, imagine that

[foggy phoenix]

Eeeeeh, back to the ole' reliable stub revolver

Or just the needle pistol.

Needle pistol seems like a safer ranged backup

[vernal sluice]

I see it. It's just not a worthwhile crit chance bonus compared to riposte and float like a butterfly but it's worth switching to if you're in lobby with scummers that have the other 2 auras equipped

[supple kraken]

needle pistol my beloved, turning crushers and hordes (on right mark) into stim pack recharge

[foggy phoenix]

Rue the day scum gets access to recon lasguns

[supple kraken]

nah, dual laspistols sounds more fitting

[foggy phoenix]

As long as it's in full auto, all is well

[supple kraken]

That way we might have not only explicator zonkla, but also a ganger zonkla

[foggy phoenix]

Because I'm not fond of spamming left click on anything other than melee

[low harbor]

I think it’s alr

If anything I think gunslinger least useful cuz pickpocket just so op

[foggy phoenix]

Thematically, do gangers even use las weapons, or is the administratum so logistically fixated on counting every lasgun to send to the billions of guardsmen that not a single random one can be found in the hands of anyone else in the imperium

Because you'd think that a gun with hypothetically infinite ammo would change hands so often in the underworld rather than having to separately manufacture firearms and the bullets to shoot with

[supple kraken]

The probably would, but only most concealable, like laspistols

Supply chains do break here and there, alongside one of cartels taking hold of rail network it is bound to happen

This would mostly mean that lasguns do exist in ganger arsenal, but only given to trusted members or going for very high prices

and even then only plain lasguns and laspistols

[lost bear]

lasguns aren't that rare, it's just that the use case for the guard is way more compelling

[vernal sluice]

Yeah, true. It's just been impossible for me to fully run out of ammo on auric, even without pickpocket

ruffian is my go-to aura

[lost bear]

imagine shipping twelve variations of autogun cartridge to a given battlefront

and making sure each bloody regiment got the correct kind, at the right time

[turbid fulcrum]

I think it's weird that they don't have access to the las pistol at least. I guess it's kind of a "no las weapons for scum" policy.

[lost bear]

STANAG existed because it made sense, we know the Imperium does not

[vernal sluice]

if the imperium made sense then it wouldn't really be the cruelest, bloodiest regime imaginable

[lost bear]

meanwhile with lasguns everyone can have their special boutique versions as long as it's compatible with the standard connectors

and on a hive world or the heart of the Imperium, these supply chain issues are less relevant, because you're that much closer to the factory making that stuff

and a few cases might be "rejected for not meeting quality standards" every now and then by the Tread Lightlies

[calm aurora]

And with shout the downside is virtually non existent

[lost bear]

the imperium is issuing quad stack magazines in its autoguns, by definition it hates you

[supple kraken]

Well unless someone is now trying to actively fuck those up

[lost bear]

anyone who's ever had to load a 30 round magazine already knows the pain of getting the last couple rounds in when the springs are stiff

[lost bear]

local stockpiles though

[supple kraken]

plasma gunners got their shit somewhere

[lost bear]

yeah raiding the Moebians

[vernal sluice]

We've had a whole event about plasma guns being smuggled in for use by Scabs yeah

[lost bear]

that's the premise of the Chasm Logistratum mission, no?

[supple kraken]

less guns more ammunition

mostly ammunition

[lost bear]

yeah an essential component of making gun hurt heretics

(don't tell the ogryns)

(they don't get the delicate stuff because they break it on heretic skulls too often)

[vernal sluice]

Yeah chasm logistratum is about stealing nonstandard ammunition types from the scabs, being the only mission that's not a part of either of the campaigns also expressly implies that this is something rejects do round the clock imo

[lost bear]

going shopping from the enemy's cache is such a mog honestly

[supple kraken]

"Provost's gone! Looting season is open again!"

[lost bear]

Meanwhile the Arby: "Do plasma flasks help the Imperial Tithe? I will keep asking until I get the correct answer."

[vernal sluice]

Plus beggars can't be choosers, Atoma Prime and the whole of Moebian Domain are stuck in imperium nihilus

[vocal saffron]

Dont wrry next update

New class will be a

[lost bear]

They're IRS plus NKVD style internal security/counterinsurgency troops, rather than proper feds, to my understanding. Paramilitary like gendarmes

[vocal saffron]

Dark Angel

The lion is gonna show up n save duh planet

[echo python]

Segmentum Solar isn't in Imperium Nihilus

The Domain is located in the galactic northwest part of the segmentum solar, just cut off from the rest of the imperium by warp storms

[vernal sluice]

Oh damn I thought it was in segmentum obscurus

I have been a victim of misinformation

[supple kraken]

we all are

we are still yet to see solo mode and hotshot

🥹

[echo python]

There's a chatgpt AI slop lore video going about which is claiming it's set in the segmentum obscurus, but that's about it

[vernal sluice]

You say that like I'd remember the exact time and place I heard that from

[supple kraken]

the moment I hear vashtorGPT speak I immediately assume person behind it is incapable of doing simple checks

[lost bear]

warp storms are such a narrative convenience honestly

[vernal sluice]

Anyways doesn't matter, appreciate the correction

[vernal sluice]

Always have been

[supple kraken]

"how do I make heroes do their thing in the slowest way possible... Oh I know! Make warp boil for a bit."

[vernal sluice]

remember DOW Soulstorm's funny warp storm that allowed travel between the four kauravan planets but nowhere else

[naive imp]

why cant the warp just calm down for a bit, is that so much to ask

[supple kraken]

slaanesh didn't finish that feast in the celebration of medrengard bullshittery

(those who know)

it's like carnival but everyone is geeked on bath salts and is wielding a knife

which sounds like Birmingham

[main wagon]

So I reinstalled Mirror's Edge 1 today and lemme tell ya, Darktide Scum muscle memory is doing work

Sliding wont save you from bullets but you can punch cops in the nuts at the end of it
you can left/right side dash and it gives you a speed boost
and reloading is a foreign concept

[supple kraken]

Hm

[vernal sluice]

Kino's Edge

[supple kraken]

Let's call warp Birmingham

[rotund agate]

Isn’t there a (probably retconned out by now) planet with no sunlight literally named Birmingham mentioned in some bit of 40k text…?

[dull dagger]

I feel the Birmingham energy flow through me

[supple kraken]

The black planet, yes

Planet so backwards they use flintlock muskets and pistols

Area so shitty no void trader passes by

[random shuttle]

Lore wise it heavily depends on the planet/system.

If a system has a Forge World that makes Lasguns, the lasguns might be more common and easier to get outside of the Militarum

But usually non-military people do rely on good ol slug-throwers.

Ever some regiments or militarum tactics make sure the Guards have autoguns when facing enemies particularly designed to counter las fire.

[supple kraken]

we need to stick a bayonet on uzis

[echo python]

It's implied that at least one of the gangs has access to aircraft, lasguns are probably not that problematic to get

Just gameplay stuff I suppose

[random shuttle]

It's also Atoman unique situation

We see in the cutscenes that even inquisition forces are scanvenging every weapon

Atoma is so cut off and besieged that there is a big lack of armaments

No wonder autoguns and simple trash stuff is in vogue 😄

[supple kraken]

Hmmmm

Let's weld tox grenade pack to one of cyber mastiffs

And make it run across entire map

[echo python]

tox hound...

[grand jewel]

dog bomb but its a chem grenade

[supple kraken]

We went from arbitrator Hasan to arbitrator asmongold

We should be proud

[sullen ridge]

why are we here

are we criminals given a second chance like the main four or are hive scum just guys pulled from the streets and given temporary free reign

[long lotus]

whats the dump for the needle pistol?

[molten zephyr]

The pants from HS's set in the Commodore's mention that they've likely been pilfered from an Adeptus Munitorum supply depot. It's definitely not unreasonable for gangers to have lasguns, but if you have to pilfer the ammo for your pilfered gun as well, you probably won't be shooting it all the time

[haughty slate]

damage, if you can believe it

[long lotus]

yeah i can see that, i was thinking it but wasn't 100%

[rich carbon]

anyone got a build for chem dep / autopistols

[long lotus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0899344-c079-4375-86bf-f533e2ab74d3/big-doms-havoc-40-explosive-tox-scum

how bait is this build? no keystone scares me

[finite sand]

Question, in case anyone knows.
As a hive scum, if I make my own stimm, is it my stimm that gets supplied to me by a fellow hive scum's stimm pack ability or is it theirs? Asking because you arent allowed to use your own stimm while under the effects of the pack.

[haughty slate]

it's ok, but definitely not optimal... crit actually does a lot for the needle pistol

[finite sand]

That looks like a meme solely due to the fact that theyre taking both chem grenade and pocket toxin.

Wait no I mixed them up, theyre not doing that.

I thought pocket toxin was above the +1 charge.

[haughty slate]

WAIT NO! They're missing pickpocket. This is actually trash for a needle pistol build.

[long lotus]

got an optimal one for shivs needle pistols?

[haughty slate]

I've got one if you want to needle-max

not really a shiv build

[supple kraken]

You begin overdosing and enter new realm of Warhammer 40k Rogue Trader edition

[haughty slate]

though I'm sure it would work it them

[rotund agate]

Theirs, and you can actually use your stimm during the pack duration (or at least, if the pack ult has the lasting effects node…)

[toxic dagger]

theirs

[finite sand]

Well that sucks.

Not having my melee kill cdr when I want it to desperado-maxx is kinda cringe.

[toxic dagger]

idk if both hypertalents is good for shivs

[lapis raft]

quick and deadly is ranged damage only

[finite sand]

Thanks, Hank. 👍

[lapis raft]

rly bad wording

so yea just take cleave

[rotund agate]

I have used my custom stimm during a teammate’s stimmbox ult effect before. It should be possible ime…

[toxic dagger]

you can get situations like hypercrit procs interrupting your hyperviolence streak while oneshotting a series of lesser elites with the heavy stabs

but yea maybe it works out. i havent played with both

[haughty slate]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0910f09-f1ca-4e89-adc1-cccd6224406c/plague-doctor-2

There you go!

[main trellis]

Could be better
Boi does not know that hotshot was patched long ago
Also bois builds are not well optimized (as seen on vet builds)

[calm aurora]

No

It's EVERYTHING

[haughty slate]

The only caveats with this build are, you don't get anything from voice of tertium... it does not work with the dot, but you need it to reach burst of energy and speedloader doesn't work either... if you want, you could go for quick and deadly + precision violence and path that way but I like to focus on the pistol

[halcyon apex]

Vet build
Looks inside
No field Improv

Pathetic.

[haughty slate]

and also loose formation isn't great but it's the best option for full ranged... again you can totally swap for coated weaponry for your blades if you want to melee more

[lapis raft]

hmm, bunch of people here were saying its ranged damage only the other day so i guess i should've checked

[haughty slate]

so your hybrid version works totally fine if you make those changes

[calm aurora]

Well the tooltip says ranged so the mistake is normal

[rotund agate]

What is the red star number? Is it a modded symbol for havoc level?

[calm aurora]

Probably. You can choose symbols with true lvl

[unreal stirrup]

hyper violence no

hyper crit help a little with horde clear

[vernal sluice]

Hypercrit yes if running at least riposte, hyperviolence idk

actually I haven't used hyperviolence at all so far

[novel oracle]

hyper violence is quite good with them
they are both fast enough to take advantage of the 1s duration and can have enough overkill to snowball it

[random shuttle]

Nah that's prestige

[unreal stirrup]

I don't think hyper crit have any overkill damage

[random shuttle]

Basically how many times someone did 30 levels

[novel oracle]

yeah which is why they dont want to be mixed

i think hyper crit is good to compensate for the lack of melee stuff on ranged builds
and hyper violence is a must pick for most melee builds

and mixing them gets muddy

i think its a war crime to bring this build into auric

vultures/desperado/dual autos

yea

[rapid mango]

random question, do people still think toxin dot isnt affected by damage increase perks on weapons? or has that finally been put to rest enough

i just wanna know how long i keep this clip

[rare stirrup]

So for needle should I go cara + unyielding

[rapid mango]

depends what your melee has, imo

[finite sand]

Chad name.

[rapid mango]

i ended up with cara and unyielding on my shivs, simply because i'm either meleeing things around the monster, or im meleeing the monster, or the crushers, etc, tho that might change depending on how utility it proves being for me

i put flak + maniac on my needler because my needler has stripped down, so i can run around through gunner packs and such

[grand jewel]

huh

[rapid mango]

(maniac for things like trappers mostly)

[finite sand]

Not drugmaxxing? Cringe.

[rapid mango]

(get the netty gals dead asap)

[rapid mango]

i was told it was a typo, and is both

close RANGE damage not supposed to be rangeD

[grand jewel]

melee isn't close

need to be closer

[rapid mango]

melee better be close

lmfao

closest you can get probably be psyker explosion

[tight musk]

When you put toxin on an enemy, the toxin applies damage bonuses from the weapon you currently have in your hands. So if you only use the needle to put toxin on an enemy and then switch to melee, whatever bonuses you have on your gun won't apply.

That said, on a melee build I went with carapace and extra reload speed so I can better soften up the big boys from range and reload the gun a little faster.

[grand jewel]

yeah its damage type is "damage_near"

well, the damage buff type

kuli's note on the talent doesn't say anything about it affecting melee or not, perhaps the proper guide will have proper descriptions for close damage

uno momento por favor

[turbid fulcrum]

What blessings for Despacito Double Barrel?

[grand jewel]

better yet, Ill just go test it in psyk

[tired prairie]

I'm guessing what will work, but Deathspitter or Manstopper, and likely Speedload

Both Barrels may also work, but Speedload is a bit more versatile

[turbid fulcrum]

thanks!

[grand jewel]

does seem to be working

[tight musk]

I wish I could put Stripped Down on like the dual stubs or smth, to use them as a sidearm for a melee build.

I have needle gun with stripped down and it's super helpful when I need to charge towards gunners, especially when I have a heavy weapon like the crowbar that doesn't let me run very fast.

[spare scaffold]

rate my chemhead shiv build

[tight musk]

No sample collector?

Do you just use the stimm supply as a bomb? I mean, even then you'd want sample collector anyway.

[novel oracle]

why would i use chem dep for more desperado when i can have desperado but better and all the time?

checkmate

[fiery palm]

Ideal ranged for Desperado is dual autopistols right? Tried a few others like brag and iag and they felt good but not as good as the dual SMG

[novel oracle]

cuz of the fact that it has run n gun baked in

[fiery palm]

Ah

[novel oracle]

and thats kinda the point

[finite sand]

For the principle of drug abuse.

[tired prairie]

But you can drug abuse with no Dependency, so what gives

[novel oracle]

maybe they should make the drug not poop then

[spare scaffold]

honestly, i just toss the funny box next to the party whenever i see clusters of elites. the booby trap doesn't get much use. gonna pop that into sample collector

[tight musk]

If you want to use the supply a lot, you need sample collector and the "get supply when stimm is ready", you'll get that thing back like every 30 seconds, especially if enemies die while poisoned with toxin.

Sample Collector and Practiced Deployment.

Man, blackouts are so nice.

Wall of ragers? Stunned.
Wall of bulwarks? Stunned.
Wall of crushers? Stunned.
Any special that tries to fuck up your day? Stunned.

And then you kill all that shit and get the nades back.

[finite sand]

If only bulwark stun bug was fixed.

I throw blackouts directly at bulwarks and they just say "nope! nuh uh, not gonna stun :)"

[tight musk]

I have noticed that if they get hit on the shield before you throw a blackout they don't always get stunned.

[finite sand]

Yeah, its the stun bug thats been in the game forever.

Muh infinite stagger resistance.

[tight musk]

I impact-maxxed on my arbites with shield maul and I can straight up just break their guard.

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/maya-fey-ace-attorney-pipe-violence-die-gif-1337642744128472696

[finite sand]

This, but its a direct impact on a bulwark's shield.

They just tell you to fuck off half the time when you throw a blackout at them.

[novel oracle]

this was the end of a near 4 minute clutch btw

[turbid fulcrum]

outplayed

[novel oracle]

that was the first bit of damage i had taken during it

which involved the entire previous room with a horde plus the last open area with a trial where i had to solo rodin and a captain and the extra spawns that came with it

then i get fucking metal_pipe_drop_sfx.ogg-ed right at the last second

[tight musk]

Get bonked, idiot. - Mauler, 2025.

[finite sand]

See thatd just make me want to fold my keyboard in half and eat it like a sandwich.

[novel oracle]

i didnt die to it so the clutch was fine

but if i did

holyyyy

id be swinging from my ceiling fan

[fiery palm]

I use Chem Dependancy for the cdr is there another way to get Desperado more efficiently? Or do you skip it entirely because pickpocket is good enough?

[novel oracle]

i think chem dep is peepeepoopoo

[spice cloud]

Just throw 2

[novel oracle]

it has no effect during the active uptime of 2/3 of the abilities and is pointless for the last one

[spice cloud]

Ull get em back immediatly

[novel oracle]

i shouldnt have to

[spice cloud]

You get em back so fast tho

[novel oracle]

as for desperado specifically, vultures mark is fucking busted and idk how people arent realizing it

[spice cloud]

But yeah the aoe could be a bit bigger

[novel oracle]

this matches the crit chance of 3 stacks of chem dep, and also gives some bonus damage and 15% movement speed (thats a fuck ton)

[final temple]

I’m gonna say sth contentious. I don’t think Pickpocket is strictly necessary for a needle pistol if you are melee HS.

[novel oracle]

and with the faster firing weapons, this basically enables desperado outside of desperado

[novel oracle]

i dont think pickpocket is necessary if youre a melee scum period

[spice cloud]

I never tried the vultures dodge yet

Didnt feel like i need it so far tbh

[novel oracle]

but this works with ranged and melee hits and counts you as dodging for all standard attacks of them while its up

[novel oracle]

its so fucking stupid

like holy you can pretend youre in desperado while youre not in it

and also just not have to care about melee positioning

[spice cloud]

I better not even try it that shit sounds a bit broken

[novel oracle]

ok so im gonna paint you a picture

havoc 40

magistrati

you just finished the tunnel and are heading up to the 2 story part where the 2nd story is the mid event

[spice cloud]

It was same with the chem nades i was like oh it cant be that bad and then i tried em

[novel oracle]

but its a gunner seed

and theres so many gunners and shooters and reapers

its hell

oh and cant forget the 2 rituals smack dab in the center of all of them

[compact oyster]

oh man i love my inconsistent blackouts

[novel oracle]

but none of that matters
you have vultures mark

you can literally solo that entire thing

you just have to keep
shooting
the
entire
time

[spice cloud]

True

Yeah despacito is so braindead easy

[novel oracle]

that exact thing has happened before

hell half the time i dont even use desperado for the main effects

i use it for the movement speed, the damage/rending node, and to instantly reload my gun at the end of a fully spent mag so i can shoot an entire second clip with blaze away stacked to max

thats what i do here

[spice cloud]

Yeah i do a similar thing with the stubs

Im thinking about getting extra mag size fir the stubs

I think it might be very nice with despacito.

[compact oyster]

thats a chaos spawn

[astral coral]

Does Hyper critical work on ranged?

[novel oracle]

no

[astral coral]

Dang

[novel oracle]

here, ranged only and deliberately not using desperado

(the crusher takes long to kill cuz no +15% rending cuz no desperado but the point is still how little damage im taking to my toughness)

remember that vutures mark at max stacks restores 15% toughness to you AND people in coherency when you kill an elite/special

with the top ranged toughness node, that means you personally restore 30%

[spice cloud]

Im in the middle of nowhere i cant load the video

But i believe u

[novel oracle]

with your TTK on nearly every one of those, youll get your toughness capped out from any damage you may have taken during reloading
then theres the extra 30% from being shot if that happened lol

[livid raven]

you can also just backslide if you really want to avoid any damage, you can just kill whole ranged hordes like that

it's nice

it's so nice that i wonder if it's really worth to have a cdr only stim

[keen timber]

it's only slightly absurdly fast

this class is giving me really bad habits i can already feel it

[spice cloud]

I have cdr and dmg i dont mind the long stim cooldown.

[livid raven]

Rending i imagine

[spice cloud]

It actually only gives u good habits imo

[keen timber]

seems about right

i wasnt even sprinting in my clip

wait yes i was

[spice cloud]

Dodgesliding a lot

Dodging a lot

Avoiding dmg cause ur squishy as hell

[keen timber]

sitting there with guns out and never putting them away because the class has infinite ammo and can basically entirely forgo melee combat

[livid raven]

i became so used to FGS and other such slow weapons i forgot how it was being actually fast for once

[spice cloud]

Only despacito gives u kinda bad habits.

[keen timber]

i will play some zealot today i think, so i can actually not forget what it's like to use a melee weapon

[spice cloud]

Scum melee is actually a lot better imo

[keen timber]

nah

having played guns and melee

guns mog

not even close

[spice cloud]

I disagree

[novel oracle]

melee scum being better than ranged scum?

[spice cloud]

And i think thats also the general consensus

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[keen timber]

i mean ur welcome to disagree

but there's no way that's true

[livid raven]

no way a melee scum outdps a flamer psyker

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-gif-26506627

[spice cloud]

Thats not the question lol

[spice cloud]

I think so

Rampage is absolutely insane

And i played both too

[novel oracle]

yeah i think ranged scum kinda wins out here

[drowsy relic]

Big money baby big profits

[novel oracle]

and that build im referring to can blow purg psykers out of the water

[livid raven]

i don't think a melee scum does anything that much better than just a zealot

[compact oyster]

they call me the big cheese aye

[novel oracle]

i know i already doubled the damage of a trauma psyker in h40 with it and theyre only 1 step down in terms of how much damage they pump out

[astral canyon]

There is one thing they do much better than a zealot could do

Drugs😎

[livid raven]

killing themselves?

oh right

[compact oyster]

i can guarantee you needle pistol alone outdamages a normal pub

[stark otter]

Cut seer and bounty hunter dialogue

[keen timber]

melee scum with rampage up is pretty powerful

but it doesn't compete with a ranged setup

[lapis raft]

hmm not sure if damage by enemy type is useful stat to see, maybe?

[fiery palm]

You make a very good argument for it actually. What do you use for your ability, Rampage or stim crate?

[signal nebula]

depends right. Pickpocket/Needle Pistol/Chem Dep is pretty damn OP

[light linden]

Was chem toxin dmg nerfed?

[lapis raft]

dont think so

[signal nebula]

I would personally always take PP with Needle. Takes needing ammo off the table is great for the team and really strong for oneself

[signal nebula]

nope

[lapis raft]

gunslinger was enough for me most of the time ngl

with needle

[signal nebula]

specifically in melee builds

[lapis raft]

yes in melee builds

i take gunslinger just for needler there usually

[final temple]

I don’t think you need either for a melee build.

[frigid sluice]

Gun scum makes me play like a genuine lobotomite I’m just hold w m1 and hoping I can get a crit before I get hit

[astral canyon]

gum

[reef skiff]

hive gum

[astral canyon]

hive gun

[neon fern]

rampge also plays like this tbf but you're just a tiny bit more vulnerable

[dusty solstice]

If I use my stim that has CDR during Rampage, will it lower the CD when rampage ends, or is the CDR only activated AFTER rampage is ended?

[livid raven]

you still risk getting clubbered with an overhead in a mixed horde

[frigid sluice]

That one ability that no one invited

[astral canyon]

latter

[neon fern]

ur wasting it because you're not on cooldown when rampage is up

u need to pop the stim after you're out of rampge

[dusty solstice]

Ahh gotcha. Is CDR the better stim if playing rampage, then?

[neon fern]

yeah

cdr is just better on both desperado and rampage

cuz u wanna be in the ability most of the game

[dusty solstice]

Do you usually go CDR and strength, or just CDR so the stim has lower cool down?

[reef skiff]

i usually just have my stimm maxed out into attack speed when running rampage

[neon fern]

i go cdr and 2 toughness nodes

but you can put anything u wanna after maxxing cdr

[blazing cove]

I go full cdr and 2 in strength. Yeah similar

[astral canyon]

btw what does this part mean

[dusty solstice]

Why the 2 points?

[blazing cove]

Had no impact on my cdr / upkeep of rampage

[neon fern]

it's as much as i can put while keeping the stim's cooldown relatively low

for dependency

[livid raven]

better animation for when you throw away the rocket launcher

[blazing cove]

Liked feeling like my stimm "improved something" for when my abilities offline

[dusty solstice]

Oh gotcha. The 4 stack dependency

[neon fern]

i run 3 but yeag

[blazing cove]

Only on 3 stack, but just found it barely noticeable / felt like s sweet spot

[novel oracle]

still desperado because if you ever manage to run out of ammo cuz you never landed the elite final blow, you can just will more ammo into existence, as well as force an instant reload which can keep blaze away stacks up for a full mag, you can use it to rez in any amount of gunfire, the movement speed, the ranged damage and rending node, etc
the other two wouldnt be doing as much for you still

[winter galleon]

When i run dependency i run full stim and it easily off cd before lose a stack

[astral canyon]

how did it change?

[dusty solstice]

Which last point of CDR is generally better to use for a rampage user? I was thinking about using the 25% CDR node

[neon fern]

rezing someone while facetanking 26 gunners is p epic

[blazing cove]

I assumed on melee kill, been working great.

[dense hollow]

idk why you'd use 25% CDR on rampage/melee build if you have a 75% CDR node on melee kill

maybe if you have literarily nothing else to kill but a monstrosity but this just doesn't happen

[livid raven]

you don't have a 75% cdr node on melee kill

[neon fern]

the flat cdr with no condition

[winter galleon]

If have base 15 second stim need 5 seconds of the increased rate to equal the 25% base

[livid raven]

do you

[novel oracle]

you still gotta consider it in terms of the final effect

its 50% cdr vs 100% cdr with a condition

the actual difference between these isnt really that much

[winter galleon]

So if you are getting 5+ kills its better then the base. But idk if it just refreshes or extended if get multiple kills back to back

So ya wont be a big difference

[blazing cove]

Yeah I prefer the other two for some unfounded reason, but cannot argue with this. Its amazing just straight up ignoring bullets

[novel oracle]

for a 30s ability, 50% cdr is 20s

100% is 15s

[dense hollow]

that's true

[novel oracle]

you saved 5s from doubling the cdr

while not possible, youd need to double it again to save 5 MORE seconds

in most situations, theyre gonna kind even out tbh

[neon fern]

i prefer the no condition one cuz when ur out of rampge i usually take a steb back

[winter galleon]

I like the base one simply because means if happen to have downtime it wont matter

Rare but happens

[neon fern]

and with chem dep + the stimm it's already p high

[novel oracle]

-# crazy how ppl are saying this when i was saying martyrs purpose is the best cdr option if youre taking martyrdom, over the other two options, for this exact reason

-# and people didnt believe me

[frigid sluice]

wasn't martyrs purpose the talent that gave a bit of cdr every time you took hp damage

[novel oracle]

it was

keyword was

[frigid sluice]

got buffed?

[neon fern]

it's better now

[frigid sluice]

useable now?

[novel oracle]

and it was poopoo

its up to 50% cdr based on missing health

[dense hollow]

it just gives you cdr based on missing hp

[novel oracle]

with the cap being at 25% hp remaining

[neon fern]

it's p good now

[frigid sluice]

oh rad

[neon fern]

consistent, no conditioon

cuz ur always low hp with marty

[novel oracle]

assuming martyrdom

[neon fern]

yeah

[winter galleon]

My zealot doesnt know what life without open chest wounds is like

[neon fern]

it's a marty only thing

taking it outside of marty would be very zany

[frigid sluice]

was a big fan of using martyrdom with crusher and relic blade

[winter galleon]

I like the heavy evis myself

But relic fun too

Fotf Revving into a crusher feels good

[novel oracle]

may wanna give it another pass
enemies within and enemies without got my rework idea on it and it fucks so hard with martyrdom

[frigid sluice]

what does it do now

[novel oracle]

especially with the toughness replenishment node that marty has

[winter galleon]

I like that get one crusher kill can just chain one shots on entire pack of them with evis

[novel oracle]

2.5% toughness per second when near an enemy, +1/s for every additional enemies
bosses count as 5 enemies

[neon fern]

u can do that without marty tho

[novel oracle]

7.5% cap

[frigid sluice]

gg

[winter galleon]

but do you chainsaw them in half? No, point made

[novel oracle]

the subnode gives 5% toughness replenishment per stack of marty

so 25% at max

which results in ewew alone giving 9.375%/s

with the dr you get thats such a massive stopgap for any hits you take

[neon fern]

when the rework came out and ppl said ewew was still bad i almost lost it

[novel oracle]

its one of the best toughness talents in the game
i might be partially biased tho

but i literally thought 7.5% would be too much

and wanted it initially at 5% max

which was already DOUBLE what it was before

[near mauve]

the ewewewewew stuff and needing 1 less wound made marty so much more comfy

[neon fern]

it's how i play zealot most of the time now

[novel oracle]

i hated marty before so much

[near mauve]

its the most fun keystone

IM SPEED

[novel oracle]

but its now my most used keystone

[drowsy relic]

You gotta understand

Your average player is fucking stupid

[neon fern]

and ppl will still say zealot only has 1 viable build

aieaieaie

[compact oyster]

Yoy have to be clinically insane to call ewew bad

[neon fern]

most ppl did in the first hours

[compact oyster]

Free toughness regen inside a horde yum yim

[neon fern]

i was there, i am witness

[near mauve]

has multiple now but u can notice a pattern in most "meta" builds
very similar pathing
dorkshite players will simply minmax everything cant stop it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTT3RBUe8fI

mr unc my beloved

[compact oyster]

Most meta builds also arent good

[neon fern]

now fix the visual glitch please

[compact oyster]

Theyre based on vibes

[compact oyster]

Not actual testing

[neon fern]

put ur rocket away waltuh

put it in the barrel

[compact oyster]

Underbarrel rocket launcher

[keen timber]

rpg with underbarrel rocket

[neon fern]

this thing is literally a carl gustav

[near mauve]

waltuh we gotta sell cocainer waltuh

[neon fern]

the projectile is very similar

[rotund agate]

its more rocket, per rocket.

[austere coyote]

what's the difference between the chem colours

like on the needle pistol and the bone saw

I know the blue one makes people explode

[neon fern]

for bonesaw, purple applies brittleness

and green applies dot

[echo python]

One needle pistol mark has an explosive tox strain as its alternate shot, the other has an AOE spread strain

[neon fern]

and for needler it depends on the mark

[austere coyote]

I've only got one mark so far

[neon fern]

the needler mark with the stagger explosion does more dot mind u

[livid raven]

for sneedler, blue is the special, applies a minor amount of toxin and either makes the enemy explode on death or makes them propagate toxin on death, depending on the mark

[neon fern]

first mark is stagger on alt fire

[austere coyote]

[neon fern]

the second mark spreads it upon target death

but at the cost of dealing less dot with the primary fire

[livid raven]

yellow applies toxin on a single enemy (excluding the small amount of cleave the projectile has) in major amounts

[lapis raft]

thats exactly why i wrote my mod because people just say stuff with nothing backing it

well the minor and major amounts on needler only matter for crit and weakspots, the baseline on both is same right

also it rly just saves ammo anyway

[neon fern]

it's slightly more dot on first mark but not enough to warrant not using the spreading mark

which is v good at horde clear or destroying shooter chaff clumps

[lapis raft]

you get like 25% extra ammo if you are hitting both crits and weakspots

[neon fern]

and still deals insane single target dot

[obsidian cipher]

Does the dodge into wall that makes you fly upwards happens only with nimble?

[rustic zinc]

It's hte only time I've noticed it.

Waiting on that Nimble tech where someone finds a hilarious dodge-slide-airtime skip, haha

[lapis raft]

oh is that what was it i was confused when i was in air and did not pressed jump :d

i also managed to clip wall with dodge so dont even need airtime just go straight through walls ez

[dim moth]

can happen with any character with sufficient dodge distance

[obsidian cipher]

most of time its really bad, you're pushing into gunners into an air dodge and get sprayed, so freaking annoying its crazy

[dim moth]

or well dodge speed rather

just more likely the more dodge speed you have

[obsidian cipher]

oh thats unfort, its been forever i played knife before shivs

[dim moth]

some places on maps are particularly bad about it

[obsidian cipher]

Its actually crazy how often it happens with scum

[zinc heath]

Me playing Psyker and zealot. 300k or 400k damage on a good run. Me trying hive scum with a 350 random unoptimzed gear and vraks : 500k

[rustic zinc]

I think most melee keeps normal Dodge Speed.

It's ranged weapons that weirdly increase Dodge Speed by the most I think. (While decreasing Dodge Dist, typically.)

[dim moth]

it's something you have to practice to avoid xd

[dim moth]

no

Knife, Tactical Axe, and Dueling Sword

[rustic zinc]

So in other words MOST melee keeps normal Dodge Speed, like I said?

[dim moth]

yeah

and most ranged weapons do not increase dodge speed at all

I don't think even the laspistol does

[rustic zinc]

Heavy Laspist, +12.5%
Infantry Lasgun +13.15%
Recon Lasgun: +13%
etc etc etc

[obsidian cipher]

thats def not how it works lmao

[dim moth]

yeah just the mobiliy stat on a weapon isn't enough to cause you to go flying off shit

[rustic zinc]

It's really the majority of ranged weapons that increase Dodge Speed, but typically have less than 0% Dodge Distance (I think in all cases, even the dodgiest)

[dim moth]

Knife, Tactical Axe, and Dueling Sword specifically override your character's default dodge profile with a different way better one

Which is why you see people who rely on Dueling Sword eat shit and die on any other weapon

Because those weapons specifically give you a completely different dodge with better distance, speed, and linger I think?

Don't remember all that it does other than that it's comically overpowered

[rustic zinc]

I always assumed it was just based on the crazy dodge distance of each of them, tbh, and not some other under-the-hood effect.

[calm aurora]

Before before it was even better.

[rustic zinc]

Yeah it really does seem to just b driven by Dodge Distance, and nothing fancier.

[dim moth]

yeah because distance not dodge duration

ergo further dodge is shorter dodge

which is why people think Nimble is bugged

[abstract onyx]

are the dual stub pistols wroth building around? myy most sucess was with a desperado build i die too quickly in melee dodging everything consistently isnt really feasible for me

[fiery palm]

Can you explain this slower for the special students

[rustic zinc]

No, I was testing on Zealot. So the dodges of Dueling Sword being good is just that it actually has good +dist (and the good 4-dodge-count).

[knotty atlas]

bone saw

[calm aurora]

I assume you get into negativei dodges. Melee is like a dance, there's a rhythm to it. You need to dodge, block, push, attack.

And learn how to position yourself

[rustic zinc]

Frankly only Dual Autopistols seem worth it righ tnow. I mean you can make other things work, but they're so far behind.

[keen timber]

melee is a quick time event. spam attacks until you hear the "you're about to get hit" noise, then dodge

[calm aurora]

https://youtu.be/5Geyiteg1U0?si=u7P9qqGm3hRERlCz

All the 5 videos are really good

[rose flax]

Not a good strategy on high difficulties

Just like vermintide 2, it gets inaccurate(though darktide is way more accurate compared usually)

You should push before

[dim moth]

the infantry autogun and double barrel are also competition

[keen timber]

ive never had issue

pushing creates space though

which is useful

[dim moth]

infantry autogun is literally just the dual autos with better crit damage and accuracy

also doesn't need reload speed

[keen timber]

the double barrel is something i want to try tbh

[dim moth]

so it gets to run 2 damage blessings

[last marsh]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pie4l5/aight_science_went_out_of_control_lethal/

[calm aurora]

And enables combos too

[rustic zinc]

DPS

1. 3075 Dual Autopistols (!!!)
2. 1679 Dual Stub Pistols (yeah, second place falls off insane from first)
3. 1467 to 1322 Brauto Vraks (best) to Brauto Graia (worst)
4. 1069 to 990 IAG Agripinaa (best) to IAG Columnus (worst)
5. 1053 Shredder Autopistol

Sustained DPS (DPS over time including reload, which is very relevant to this build due to infinite ammo)

1. 1354 Dual Autopistols (!!!)
2. 991 to 870 Brauto Vraks (best) to Agrip (worst)
3. 896 Dual Stub Pistols
4. 697 Shredder Autopistol
5. 680 to 640 IAG Agrip (best) to Vraks (worst)

Basically these stats were my argument that

• **Desperado's **base damage/reload should be substantially buffed, so that other ranged weapons can perform where Dual Autopistols currently perform (since it seems roughly fine?)
• Then, because Desperado was buffed, balance Dual Autopistols to be more reasonable (they'll probably still have a slight DPS advantage due to being shorter-ranged weapons, but it shouldn't be literally ~2x the second place)

[last marsh]

i guess i read wrong when i heard LP doesnt work with rawket lawnchair

[dim moth]

I can instantly tell that your testing is wrong because you somehow got the Agripinaa IAG as the best one??

And not the vraks which does the same damage with triple the fire rate

[last marsh]

but now i have what gun im going to use for my rampage rpg build :)

[dim moth]

Wait is this testing implying you are incapable of aiming and cannot land a single headshot the entire time?

[keen timber]

I hope not

[rustic zinc]

It's just the listed damage with the listed ROF. So it doesn't delve into any of hte specific armor-type interactions.

[dim moth]

Okay yeah

[keen timber]

...

[dim moth]

That's why your testing is incorrect

[keen timber]

yeah that's

if we take these two stats out of context then this gun is op!

[dim moth]

Try doing that test for the helbores compared to an infantry lasgun

Because the helbores paper damage stat are hilariously wrong

[rustic zinc]

Only you're claiming it was "testing" and not a report of the in-game stats haha

[dim moth]

For what are literally the highest damage guns in the game

[calm aurora]

If only we could get mk2 laspistol on hscum 🙁

[dim moth]

I assumed it was testing and not just looking at stats xd

[fiery palm]

Does this account for the IAG's higher crit and also the ease of running 2x damage blessings?

[rustic zinc]

No, it's just listed Damage and listed ROF.

[obsidian crown]

So

[dim moth]

Man it doesn't even consider the ADMs the IAG has into various health types

[obsidian crown]

Pointless list of stats. Got it

[keen timber]

it accounts for actual nothing

[dim moth]

The listed damage is just the base damage before ADMs

[keen timber]

yeah totally worthless

[dim moth]

So not the damage you are seeing in game into anything p sure

[calm aurora]

Stop with the toxic elitism

[keen timber]

that's not elitism

[fiery palm]

Is there an easy way to find ADMs for weapons BTW?

[keen timber]

what

[calm aurora]

Exec cs is better

[dim moth]

IF the weapon has a "penetration" stat in game you can see its ADMs for flak/carapace iirc

[alpine helm]

For Vraks IAG, which 2 dmg blessings work best?

[dim moth]

Dum-Dum, Deathspitter

[rustic zinc]

You're free to present a superior set of stats making an argument that the Dual Autopistols somehow aren't way ahead of the other options -- but I feel like anyone decent at the game already knows they are in fact the best choice for Desperado builds.

[alpine helm]

I've been running with Speedload and Dumdum

[alpine helm]

\thank you

[fiery palm]

In general if a gun had dumdum available, take it

[keen timber]

sure they might be the best, but the list you're showing has them disproportionately powerful compared to other options, which is simply not true

[calm aurora]

That's partly a joke. But you can rebuke him a bit more nicely. He may not know everything about the mechanics

[last marsh]

you gotta be a dumbdumb to not take dumdum.

[dim moth]

I don't think they're even the best because vraks IAG has so much better damage

[thin crag]

for the chemical dependency penance does it have to be full stacks or does 1 also count

[dim moth]

Just from having a real crit modifier

[rustic zinc]

Which weapons even come close then?

[keen timber]

at which point we probably shouldn't be making such definitive statements about balance

[fiery palm]

Just for arguments sake, this isn't how it works in reality but just for example, say the dual autopistols have .1 into most armor types while the iag has .7 that would change the numbers considerably. That's why it's important

[keen timber]

as already said, dual shotties and IAGs

db shotties*

and as Tox said, helbore lasgun vs infantry lasgun shows the helbore being disproportionately weaker when in reality it's not the case

[fiery palm]

I mean there's a difference between "that's not actually how it works, you should consider Xyz factors" VS "lmfao worthless stats"

[abstract onyx]

i have sensory perception that is like microphone without filters so i lose focus when the overstimuli gets too high thats why my dodges in melee arent consistent

[dim moth]

dual auto pistols only consistently do better damage than vraks IAG on non-crit bodyshots (before accounting for damage boosts)

[keen timber]

worth also considering the DAP's are also much less accurate

[dim moth]

That too

IAG can ADS to assure all shots hit

[keen timber]

so even if you're 100% on target all the time

you're still going to have misses

(on smaller targets, at longer ranges, etc)

[obsidian crown]

🤔

You don’t burst fire?

[rustic zinc]

Hmm? Are you looking at just damage and not the fact that Duals have like 2x the fire rate?

[keen timber]

we do that and ur dps goes down

and suddenly the iag is winning again

[obsidian crown]

Longer range - burst fire.

[keen timber]

sure, you're then giving up a huge amount of DPS, so the IAG still wins out

[fiery palm]

Wow that disparity is huge. Do you know how much faster the IAG reloads? I know it's faster but I can't recall the magnitude and I'm away from my desktop

[keen timber]

and then uhhh

you're still gonna miss a couple of shots anyway, even when tapping

[rustic zinc]

it's in the screenshot.

[obsidian crown]

The only time you would be long ranging something usually are snipers and it just takes 2 bullets across the map to kill them. I don’t miss.

[keen timber]

bro's him

[neon fern]

u shouldn't be missing with the duals tbh

[obsidian crown]

If I wasn’t getting ready to go to work, I could show you

[neon fern]

ur supposed to be in hugging range

can't miss

[obsidian crown]

But burst fire snipers across map, don’t full auto

[keen timber]

yeah but we're not talking about that specifically

[keen timber]

yes this is not new information

[obsidian crown]

And aim down sights

[keen timber]

the point is

[fiery palm]

I generally don't trust the shown numbers for stuff like that cause like, y'know, Fatshark lol

[obsidian crown]

Don’t hip fire

[keen timber]

the dual autopistols will still end up with misses in most standard firefights because of the bloom

not many, sure, but they do happen

[obsidian crown]

First 3 bullets don’t bloom

[keen timber]

so you tap fire everything

literally everything

[formal valley]

the dual stubs on the other hand fuck

[keen timber]

because it doesn't need to be a cross map shot

[obsidian crown]

Are you being disingenuous

[keen timber]

no

ur not thinking

[obsidian crown]

How many times do I have to say

[keen timber]

ur only thinking super long range shots

[obsidian crown]

“This is for snipers across the map”

[keen timber]

im not talking about that

even in mid range engagements

the dual autopistols will still see misses

because of the bloom

[broken bear]

Mid range is fine just mag dump with desperado 😌

[keen timber]

it's not many

but they happen

and they effect dps

[formal valley]

yeah but the first few bullets are really accurate

[broken bear]

Also who said missing is a bad thing

It’s called suppressing fire

[obsidian crown]

You can mag dump with mid range though

[broken bear]

[winter galleon]

can always burst fire if needed

[formal valley]

2-3 bullets is enough to kill a sniper

[winter galleon]

but usually can just dump

[obsidian crown]

There’s practically no recoil

[keen timber]

yes and u will still see some misses

because of the bloom

[broken bear]

Suppressing fire*

[obsidian crown]

But are you ADS’ing

[keen timber]

Which as I've said effects the dps

[obsidian crown]

Because there’s more misses when you hipfire

[keen timber]

are you being deliberately obtuse?

[obsidian crown]

I’m genuinely asking because I don’t have the issues you have

[keen timber]

but

im not complaining

or saying it's an issue?

do you actually have context for whats being talked about?

[obsidian crown]

But you don’t miss midrange if you ads, I’ve even tracked running muties sideways without a miss

[fiery palm]

The point of contention is that in a DPS horse race the more accurate gun has an inherent advantage because it's not taking any breaks to burst fire

[obsidian crown]

And yes, I’m fully familiar with bloom. I do play fps competitive shooters

[obsidian crown]

Bro

What is that side jiggle

No recoil control?

[dim moth]

that is recoil control and sticky hands

if I wasn't controlling recoil it would be missing entirely xd

[obsidian crown]

I meant YOUR irl recoil control

Are you high DPI or some shit

[keen timber]

that control was fine what

[obsidian crown]

Because that was janky at start

[dim moth]

okay since you want to cope instead of facing reality here you go

didn't touch my mouse

just held LMB

[obsidian crown]

Do you not understand what I mean by better recoil control irl

[winter galleon]

it wasnt terrible

[dim moth]

dog recoil control doesn't reduce spread

[obsidian crown]

Yours isn’t great

It’s mid

[calm aurora]

So what?

[winter galleon]

its not counterstrike

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

Man yall the type of folks to accuse people with 60+ kills in bf6 of hacking

[keen timber]

what

[calm aurora]

Nope

[broken bear]

I think ur just trying to pad ur own ego bro

[keen timber]

^

[dim moth]

also I'll tell you the same thing I tell other "recoil control" dipshits

[keen timber]

fr

[calm aurora]

You're the one being obnoxious rn

[dim moth]

vertical recoil is a skill issue

[lusty sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-car-silly-cat-sad-scary-gif-12889095585962936860

[dim moth]

horizontal is the gun being inaccurate

[keen timber]

fr

[winter galleon]

no, my recoil control is better then what he showed but its not terrible, not everyone has years of competitive shooting practice

[calm aurora]

We didn't say anything

[winter galleon]

its just obnoxious to call it out

[obsidian crown]

That’s what I’m saying but guess they don’t wanna hear it

[fiery palm]

How come every time I see you in this chat you're arguing in circles and casting ad hominems?

[keen timber]

ok but that recoil was fine

[dim moth]

you cannot account for horizontal recoil 100% of the time unless it is a fixed pattern and...it's not in this game outside of executioner veteran

[obsidian crown]

I’m only pointing it out because there are people that don’t miss midrange

[keen timber]

...

[livid raven]

i can

[obsidian crown]

It’s not unheard of

[livid raven]

i predict the future actually

[dim moth]

because horizontal recoil is not always going in the same direction

[keen timber]

the gun has enough bloom it's an inevitability

[dim moth]

fun fact about that

[livid raven]

you are talking about bloom

[dim moth]

left and right are two seperate directions

[keen timber]

wait, really?

[dim moth]

and I cannot adjust for both at the same time

[toxic dagger]

the most important difference between dap and iag is that daps can shoot while sprinting.

vroom vroom

[neon fern]

run and gun my beloved

also reduces the spread btw

[livid raven]

if you can shoot someone 2 meters in front of you in battlefield 6

[calm aurora]

It's fun talking recoil in a game where las weapons have recoil because of vibes and the bolter recoil is partially fixed with a mod merging frames. Like lol bro

[keen timber]

not running Run and gun on daps

[livid raven]

the IAG is easy peasy

[keen timber]

blaze away + spdloader

[obsidian crown]

You have run and gun baked into it iirc

[dim moth]

I'm one of those people and I'm telling you right now you're a fucking moron

[broken bear]

No?

[neon fern]

no

[broken bear]

lol

[dim moth]

That knows jack shit about recoil control

[keen timber]

run and gun gives extra bloom reduction

[broken bear]

Desperado gives run n gun

[obsidian crown]

Sure. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[livid raven]

the dual autoguns have run and gun incorporated

[obsidian crown]

It’s a talent on the scum tree.

[toxic dagger]

@dim moth @obsidian crown halt. you violated the law

[dim moth]

You cannot consistently account for horizontal recoil no matter how good you think you are in games that do not have fixed recoil patterns

[keen timber]

no, that's sticky hands

[dim moth]

Because horizontal recoil is randomly left or right

[toxic dagger]

also yes what i meant is that the daps have the 'shoot while sprinting' baked in, like shredder autopistol

so you can sprint and brrrrt even with BA/speedloader

[dim moth]

Vertical is always up so it's super easy to account for

[toxic dagger]

... iirc

pretty sure I did it just this morning so I'm 99% sure.

[obsidian crown]

…? 💀

[livid raven]

you are talking about bloom

[winter galleon]

yes its part of what makes them feel good

[livid raven]

bloom is just random bullshit recoil

[keen timber]

bloom isnt recoil

bloom is bullet deviation

[dim moth]

no bloom is the crosshair getting wider while firing it "blooms" out

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/bloom-blooms-bloomscroll-brighter-flower-gif-8345530304270863884

[broken bear]

some of yall were dropped as babies and it’s really obvious

[toxic dagger]

yeah and it's part of the advantage over iag. everyone talking about recoil control in darktide while ignoring that it is both more fun and more optimal to simply run everything down while running around at the speed of sound

[neon fern]

u should also be in the face of everything u shoot with dap anyway

[broken bear]

Who gives a fuck about recoil when you are firing into a wall of enemies

Something is gonna get hit

[neon fern]

so u will not hve to control anything

[toxic dagger]

also if you cannot be civil while discussing recoil control then you can't have this topic. it's too serious apparently.

[calm aurora]

Recoil is a feature. Spray and pray.

[dim moth]

yeah real kind of you to say that the second I throw an insult back fucking prefect

[obsidian crown]

Love when people spray and pray and set off every barrel in pub lobbies

[broken bear]

is it spray n pray if its deleting a horde

[livid raven]

more like

spray

[neon fern]

it's not spray and pray if ur hitting something at all time

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-fire-gif-5508184

[winter galleon]

bloom is pattern spread increase, and yes horizontal recoil being random makes it harder to control but with lots of playtime in shooters it can be reduced as learn to adapt subconsciouly faster to it. but thats besides the point when the clip was perfectly fine, better then a lot of peoples. was obnoxious to call it trash

[neon fern]

it's just spaying yea

[toxic dagger]

it's spray n pray because in the immortal words of the cutthroat every bullet is a prayer of vengeance

[winter galleon]

not to mention, completely irrelevant to the game 99% of the time

[toxic dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[winter galleon]

your spraying into the side of the barn usually

[keen timber]

crosshair perfectly on target. still potentially capable of missing

[broken bear]

Based and lore pulled

[neon fern]

yeah

cuz u should be closer

[toxic dagger]

then get closer

put ur barrels up his ass

[keen timber]

yes but that's the point

that's where the IAG has the advantage

the iag doesnt need to get closer

[toxic dagger]

if you're always sprinting then the melee enemies cant get u

[neon fern]

why wouldn't u be cqb tho

[toxic dagger]

be smart

sprint

[broken bear]

Why are we evening debating that an assault rifle will have better accuracy at range than a fuckin crackheads uzi 😭😭😭

[dim moth]

the IAG also steadily gets a bigger and bigger advantage the higher your crit chance is

[keen timber]

because sometimes you need to shoot at something that's slightly further away?

u cant always been in optimal engagement range

[obsidian crown]

Was never the debate

[toxic dagger]

u can if ur not a coward

run forrest

run

[neon fern]

i'm running there at mach 10

[keen timber]

cant run THROUGH enemies though

[toxic dagger]

that is true

[winter galleon]

you can if you kill them

[neon fern]

i'll just gun them down first

[winter galleon]

ez

[toxic dagger]

this is why every team needs an ogryn

[neon fern]

and then i run

[toxic dagger]

to put enemy on ground

then you run

[broken bear]

Ogryn.

[atomic swallow]

Fools. You're supposed to pray BEFORE the spray.

[winter galleon]

OGG OGG

[broken bear]

Always have an orgynrun

Just no shield

[winter galleon]

ORG SEE ENEMY ORG POUND ENEMY

[broken bear]

Send a naked ogryn at the enemy

[zealous ravine]

anyone got a little fent

[broken bear]

It’s like an albino gorilla with no hair

[toxic dagger]

shield is for babies. real men taunt with branx pickaxe. no blocks, no dodges, only chesthair

[broken bear]

I got Molly water that’s it

[zealous ravine]

im a certified branx pickaxe enjoyer

[north meteor]

I have some Rending Fent and some Critical Fent

[winter galleon]

exactly, vet just needs to shout harder

[zealous ravine]

its joever

[winter galleon]

let me smash

[obsidian crown]

I’m the type of person to take out a rpg to shoot a sniper

2m in front of me

[zealous ravine]

ogryn shield still needs a new mk or a rework tbh

[broken bear]

I kill nurgle cultists by overdosing them on molly, true hive scum gaming

[toxic dagger]

yea

[winter galleon]

not sure how you rework the shield to be fun, its boring by nature feels like

[toxic dagger]

ogryn shield with something like arbites shield special

hnhnnggghhhh

[zealous ravine]

anything that actually uses more than a single attack lmao

[toxic dagger]

i need it

[torpid cloud]

Why would one ever use the blue needle mode

[neon fern]

for groups

and hordes

[toxic dagger]

look at arby shield. it has a real moveset and a unique special that isnt about blocking.

fatshark can evidently do it

now they just need to do it to ogryn shield

[zealous ravine]

yea arby shield had a cool light combo

[neon fern]

ogryn special with the shield should just be him 2 handing the shield like a chair in wrestling and hitting peole with it

[toxic dagger]

based

[zealous ravine]

this is true

honestly just toss the club away it does no dmg

[neon fern]

yeah

[broken bear]

And the mks are whether the shield is being swung perpendicular or parallel to the floor

[winter galleon]

give him a shield that can split in half and dual wield smash

[neon fern]

the maul does nothing

[toxic dagger]

there is a smaller ogryn shield also

like a buckler

not ingame but in the lore

[winter galleon]

get rid of the maul part

[neon fern]

yeah

[winter galleon]

just shield

[toxic dagger]

need that too

[broken bear]

Just give ogryn fucking knuckle dusters

[neon fern]

i been asking for ogryn bare hands since beta

[zealous ravine]

ok yeah ogryn should jsut get a fist wep before anything else

[neon fern]

with special being a grab

make me playtester i will make the moveset fs

[keen timber]

special 1 is a grab, special 2 hurls a poxwalker at an enemy like the rock blitz

[neon fern]

ideally

i'd love a throw yeah

[halcyon apex]

will trade arb special for skullcrusher on arb shield

[toxic dagger]

alas fatshark is too busy making genestealer faction and the new lion el'johnson dow4 tie-in class

[zealous ravine]

very true

[keen timber]

i cant wait for the "lore accurate astartes" dlc class drop

[halcyon apex]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[keen timber]

where u just get to play as an ultramarine

[neon fern]

next class is admech related trust

[keen timber]

a skitarii would be cool

[neon fern]

skitarii won't happen but it would be cool

[keen timber]

yeah

[neon fern]

it's gonna be something less than skit

[keen timber]

idk what could be next, give me a sororitas I BEG

[tight musk]

Arbites went down once and instantly left the game when I was about to pick them up.

[neon fern]

no power armor!!!

in my dt

[zealous ravine]

i wouldnt expect any other faith classes

i'd rather zealot get more stuff like prayers tab or smth

[keen timber]

it would step on the toes of zealot a bit, but i dont care

give me a sororitas.

[zealous ravine]

just play fem zealot

[keen timber]

dont care, sororitas, now.

[obsidian crown]

It’s going to be one of those floating babies as next class

[zealous ravine]

nuh uh

[keen timber]

a cherub?

they're just servitors

[obsidian crown]

Ya those

[zealous ravine]

i think the biggest problem with the infantry autogun is that it has no aura

[dim moth]

true

[livid raven]

which IAG do you use for desperado

[dim moth]

vraks obv

[zealous ravine]

wonder what they could even do with braced auto

[dim moth]

close range death laser

kinda shocked to see that the dual autos with maniac have worse maniac damage than vraks IAG without tbh

I expected them to be higher

[exotic temple]

Depends on the writer and who has the hand on the exterminatus button. For dt I think they are tailor made for the setting.

[toxic dagger]

I think tech-adept or low-ranking tech-priest or maybe VERY basic skitarii are all potential candidates

but skitarii range from "not that interesting" to "walking radiation nightmares"

[livid raven]

i mean they got a cool polearm

[toxic dagger]

vt2 polearm moveset finally getting ported?

[keen timber]

i dont think skitarii would make good characters

theyd likely have good mechanics

but as an actual character, i dont think theyd fit well

[zealous ravine]

im just saying reclaimator looks perfect for a new class

[muted pivot]

It's just a terrible design for a gun in a game where everything is Finesse modifier based

[keen timber]

give me a tzeench cultist who's snuck onto the ship

[zealous ravine]

yeah its joever with that wep

[muted pivot]

Maybe it needs more cleave

[obsidian crown]

I have no idea what skitarii is

[winter galleon]

I still havnt taken braced auto to 20

[keen timber]

agri brauto used to be good

[crude matrix]

HALBERD BOYS WE'RE BACK???

[neon fern]

low ranking tech priest cuz they're a class in dark heresy

[zealous ravine]

probably has a gun bash too to really make it lame

[neon fern]

tech adept too i think

[keen timber]

tech priest footsoldier

[muted pivot]

IAG only good in a Finesse build too imo

[dim moth]

maybe give it not the worst finesse modifiers in the game, no more negative crit chance, and not have the worst mobility of any gun in the game?

[crude matrix]

nvm why u gotta bait me like this Hank

[muted pivot]

Maybe braceds should fire AP rounds

[dim moth]

funny coincidence that almost all builds are this

[zealous ravine]

i mean yeah but that wouldnt really make it unique

[muted pivot]

I mean like something on the level of gunker

[zealous ravine]

idek the point of bracing it

[obsidian crown]

Ah

[zealous ravine]

is that meant to be more mobile or something? lol

[exotic temple]

I have a hard time seeing how they would make skitarii different enough from veteran to be interesting. Then everything you can do to differentiate skitarri you could just add it to tech priest

[muted pivot]

One of the marks gets a ROF boost from it

[keen timber]

more accurate when braced

[keen timber]

it wouldnt really make a ton of sense for a tech priest to be fighting alongside the rejects

[alpine helm]

Another Vraks IAG question - which perks? I've been running crit chance and Flak

[dim moth]

except it's not really

[dim moth]

I have flak unyielding on mine

[keen timber]

i feel like they used to be

[dim moth]

crit chance is good tho

[obsidian crown]

Is it lore accurate for arby to?

[keen timber]

it makes more sense than tech priests

[zealous ravine]

arby are just tithe creatures

[muted pivot]

Usually flak uy for IAGs imo

[obsidian crown]

Not being rude btw

[keen timber]

yeah tithe rats

[obsidian crown]

I genuinely don’t know anything about 40k

[toxic dagger]

there are a lot of ranks of tech-priests, and it makes no sense for the magos like hadron and kharib to fight boots on the ground. but there are lesser ranks where it would be possible. skitarii are used as soldiers for a reason though so as far as combat goes, they make the most sense yea

[alpine helm]

appreciate the quick response ty