hivescum-class

[charred bronze]

prefer the needler at this point. I don't enjoy the blackouts as much as zook or chem nades

[ancient basin]

nooo, just spotted a +3 stam curio, but its 400 power so no dice

[naive imp]

close your eyes and believe

[main wagon]

Cuts? No, silly. 2 ridiculously silly damaging tox knives and a single heavy overhead will usually put them on the cusp of death

[worn gull]

I have not seen a single 400+ toughness relic since rolling my scum

[main wagon]

if not outright kill them because any of your 3 teammates did 0.01% damage to it by killing things beside it or shooting it

[ancient basin]

I got a 410 17% toughness right out the gate, was sweet

now I am paying for my luck

[charred bronze]

I haven't seen a single maxed out curios at all

[limber cradle]

Scum has had the best rng out of any character in DT for me ever

I got all my god rolls like 3 days ago

[main wagon]

I have so many +3stam and two 21% HP, nothing above 16% toughness

I’m weeping blood

[worn gull]

I've got 50k melk bucks, do I just blow them all to find a curio?

[main wagon]

I spent 18k melkcoin FOR WHAT

[ancient basin]

I found a max hp 420 power curio, but I wont run it on scum

[limber cradle]

What else are you gonna spend em on?

[main wagon]

I saw Ainz take a single HP curio because of the burster hell

[worn gull]

I just don't want Melk to have them, the smarmy bastard

[limber cradle]

Lmfao reasonable

[limber cradle]

I think its very logical to run a HP curio considering this class has Vet hp which means poxxies will one shot you in havoc

[main wagon]

It looked like a mael because they had just over 200HP

But yeah for havoc definitely I could see the value, especially since the attack speed is already juiced with shivs and autos

[limber cradle]

I think thats more than one hp curio, or thats hp minors

[main wagon]

Nah 21% HP with 5% HP on all three gets you like 206

I tested it

You need the 5%’s on your other curios

[limber cradle]

I mean

[main wagon]

Or you don’t cross 200

[limber cradle]

Thats the second half of my sentence

Or hp minors

[main wagon]

Fair does I misread the second bit

[worn gull]

I dropped about 4k melk bucks and got 2 16% toughness curios. You win this time, Melk you hairy pimple.

[limber cradle]

It happens to the best of us

[main wagon]

Prolly just saw the word minors in a Discord server and my mind just went “nah clock out”

[limber cradle]

Lmfao

Idk what else to call them

[main wagon]

“Focus on your own thoughts, king. These ones are lost.”

[limber cradle]

Theyre minor blessings

[main wagon]

Nah it’s totally justified in context lmao

I’m pretty sure the curio ones are “perks” arent they?

[naive imp]

probably if its the same as for weapons

[limber cradle]

I wouldnt know witjout looking at it tbh

[main wagon]

It’s such a mess of terms.

Darktide has had blessings, perks, talents, and feats

[naive imp]

they should add blessings to curios

[lavish forge]

what DOES it do

[worn gull]

Increases cooldown... relevant for some chievos

[main wagon]

Inspect it and see

[tight hinge]

viscous

[main wagon]

[flat mist]

Increase your cd

[tight hinge]

makes your scum more viscous

[naive imp]

makes it thicker in your veins

[main wagon]

Tbh not being able to hold the cartel special fucked me up at first

[flat mist]

It’s just a pointless term

[worn gull]

If the viscosity gets too high you're in for a sticky surprise

[abstract lichen]

Barkskin my beloved

[main wagon]

Now while I’m thankful, I wanna jork it

[naive imp]

if you get to 100% viscosity and you use the stimm you're on borrowed time until your heart stops pumping blood

trust me im scum

[limber cradle]

Maybe running 3x hp wouldn't be insane instead of revive speed

[worn gull]

straight jorkin it. what is "it"?? haha, well let's just say its my --

[naive imp]

darktide barkskin would be stupid strong

stimmed

[main wagon]

This sounds like a VT2 term I’m too VT1pilled to understand?

How’s barkskin work?

[limber cradle]

Taking damage reduces the damage you take from subsequent sources by 40% for 2 seconds. This effect can only trigger every 2 seconds.

[tropic crag]

dr on taking a hit

[naive imp]

vermintide has thp system which is much less forgiving than toughness

[limber cradle]

It was like, default necklace blessing for everyone iirc

[naive imp]

in darktide, though... just be ogryn, pretty much

but on any class

[tropic crag]

yeah because it outright saves you from things like assassins and stuff by reducing the damage so much, and just made over heads less of a problem because you take alot of chip damage in vt2

[naive imp]

there were some reasons to use the others, like boon of shallya on zealot for even more thp

but typically yeah id just take barkskin

[molten bolt]

hit me so hard with the psychic blast that I started experiencing phantom pain

[main wagon]

Ahhh so like our one Scum talent, but for all damage instead of just ranged

[limber cradle]

Vt2 had a lot of default blessings ime, like swift slaying and shrapnel

[lament stirrup]

What’s the best blessings for the crowbar?

[worn gull]

I don't miss VT2 ice skating

[limber cradle]

Can opener and I'm blanking on the other one

[main wagon]

When I briefly went back and saw VT2 leveling was like DT launch it almost made it throw up

[ancient basin]

thats a psyker crusher

[naive imp]

ice skating?

[molten bolt]

he used brain burst on me

[tropic crag]

yeah, one big reason i don't play much anymore is because theres not alot of build options and stuff... can't wait for vt3 in the future tho

[naive imp]

for an ogryn its probably more of a whole body burst

[main wagon]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that because there wasn’t sprinting, the skating was prolly the efficient move tech

[limber cradle]

I simply enjoy tide games

[naive imp]

i miss rats so much

[main wagon]

I could be completely wrong though as my claim is baseless

[naive imp]

and spears

i need more 2handers

[main wagon]

I miss the concept of spears

[limber cradle]

The rats are way more fun than nurglites tbh

More character to em

[naive imp]

i want to break rasknitt over my knee again i should play vt2 again

[tropic crag]

yeah the tide series is probably my favorite game series at this point

[main wagon]

I would never want to play Darktide Versus

[naive imp]

although i dont miss swift slaying being almost always BiS

[limber cradle]

Buddy I don't even want to play vermintide versus lmao

[main wagon]

VT2 looked horrific enough, I never got late game enough to even have the gear to survive in that mode

[naive imp]

im not touchin vt versus

[main wagon]

I feel like you gotta be wearing BiS shit for versus

[ancient basin]

I wonder if you could make limb splitter unstoppable force crowbar work as a side melee in a desperado build. just golf swing for the fences into a horde clump

[naive imp]

if its anything at all like l4d versus, im good, ive had my fill

[main wagon]

And that’s just…too much sweat for L4D versus

[tropic crag]

i still use vt2 move tech in DT tbh... not the travel stuff but the short range combat quick shuffle movetech... makes me late to alot of kills if i let myself do it too much lol

[worn gull]

VT2 wins in boss fights at least, DT needs more like that

[tropic crag]

because quick sliding is just better

[main wagon]

L4D versus was best when nobody gave a fuck, not when some 16 year old was mouthbreathing into his mic while doing hunter jumps for a “proper setup”

[naive imp]

theres no items in vt2 versus as i understand it

[main wagon]

Ohhh that’s a relief

So it’s just gamesense

[naive imp]

you can choose weapon but you dont get like barkskin or blessings

[main wagon]

Which…randoms notoriously lack but hey, could still be fun for some folks I suppose

Interesting, that’s smart

[tropic crag]

i just personally don't like versus modes in games like this... its not why i play them, if i want to play against people there are more fun games for me to do that

more fun for pvp i mean

[naive imp]

last id heard it was kind of human team-sided

[main wagon]

From my brief time with VT2 I really liked how they did maps

You interacted with so much more

Breaking walls and shit

[naive imp]

vt2s maps are really cool

much more open as well, but different settings of course

[worn gull]

yeah, and some really cool set pieces. hive cities are just bleh

[limber cradle]

I defo prefer DAPs to the IAG tbh

[tropic crag]

vt1 maps were "walk down a hallway, now stand here and fight some waves, walk more, stop and fight waves" it was alot of stopping and waiting for timers

[ancient basin]

all industrial, stone, or slum

I guess we got renches now

[haughty slate]

I miss the Vermintide 2 maps... And Bardin

[main wagon]

Darktide maps are fun to fight through, VT2 maps are fun to explore, VT1 maps are fun to look at

[naive imp]

they simply need to add dual axes

[tropic crag]

thats just hive cities yeah, i think fatshark did hive cities better than any game ever has... but they are still hive cities which are a mess visually in the best cases

[limber cradle]

VT maps feel less linear than DT maps ime

[naive imp]

we'll get a DT boat map where we sail down a river of... waste

[main wagon]

Darktide maps used to have that “woah dude” effect at launch the first time we saw maps like Hourglass and Throneside but other than that, I hadn’t been gassed for a map until trenches

Scratch that, I was hype for rolling steel. I just never could’ve predicted the QP hell it would become

[naive imp]

trust in the plan

[tropic crag]

feel about the same to me tbh

[naive imp]

i really liked the snow map

still do

[tropic crag]

i really like trenches

[main wagon]

I have very limited VT2 experience, but I def agree from literally just the VT2 tutorial alone

[limber cradle]

There's more nooks amd verticality to VT maps ime, normally cause they were hiding a grim somewhere

[naive imp]

except for the first part when extra barrels s happening

[limber cradle]

I also like the variety vt2 has

[worn gull]

The new trench maps is funny just becaues of the 'hey look, tournament legal terrain pieces!' angle

[main wagon]

VT2 tutorial has Kruber busting through wooden barricades like “OI ‘ERETIC, HERES JOHNNY”

[tropic crag]

i do not miss the "finding every grim" ritual that took place in vt2... i was so glad when they added cata and we all stopped doing it in that difficulty

[main wagon]

Gives you a good taste of what traversing will entail going forwards

[limber cradle]

Darktide doesn't normally ask you to do a jumping puzzle for anything except skulls which you get once so it might be that, you're going out of your way in vt2 to grab tomes and grims

[naive imp]

now we still have grims but no one does em

[tropic crag]

i much prefer how DT2 handled books but also i wouldnt' miss them if they were removed

[limber cradle]

I prefer vt2 tomes and grims tbh, by a large margin

[main wagon]

DT grims need to be given a fucking purpose dear lord

[naive imp]

i usually just grab whichever tomes are already in my way

[main wagon]

It’s been years

The crafting system isn’t horseshit anymore just please make the grims give a load of crafting mats or something

[tropic crag]

sure... they were kind of neat for 150 hours... but like 700 hours later and they really start to make every map feel too much the same

[main wagon]

I like the heretical idols in Darktide

[limber cradle]

its something to do besides "go here and kill things" ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[naive imp]

make grimoires give 1 aquila

[limber cradle]

I do too

[naive imp]

idols were nice

i like looking around like a caveman for the green glowies

[main wagon]

Martyr skulls are hit or miss honestly

[tropic crag]

thats why i don't like it, if i wanted to do something besides "go here and have a good fight" i'd play one of the other thousands of games i could be playing

[naive imp]

and my friends thinking im crazy when i tell them i hear whispering

[main wagon]

The buddy ones are silly at this point because god help you if you don’t have friends

[naive imp]

yknow what i miss, loot rats

[tropic crag]

i play tide games to bonk heads so when i'm not bonking heads in one i feel like i'm not spending my time wisely lol

[main wagon]

I have most of the puzzles memorized so I can open them for newbies

The worst buddy one is the chandeliers

[limber cradle]

I have every skull i can get solo but players in high diffs who know how to get them already did them and low diffs don't even know what the textbox is

[vapid lava]

When I hear an idol but can't see exactly where it is, I just chuck a grenade in the area and it works about 70% of the time

[naive imp]

i miss one guy going off to chase down the loot rat and getting obliterated by an assassin from the top ropes

[main wagon]

Because it is SO involved and depending on your difficulty, just not viable to obtain without everyone being on board

[limber cradle]

God I love loot rats

[tropic crag]

my fav is the loot rats who turned into bosses in the wastes (but yes i miss having something like that in darktide, it added so many funny moments of people triggering things trying to get the rat)

[limber cradle]

They should bring back loot rats

[naive imp]

they shouldnt change them at all

just one skaven, wholesale

[main wagon]

Yeeeeaaaah you said it

[limber cradle]

Yeah just have some giant rat

[naive imp]

slap them right in

[main wagon]

Beat me to it, Bog lmao

[limber cradle]

"Its a beastman"

[naive imp]

what lore implications does this have? shut up, go chase the rat and grab his fat ass

[placid prairie]

I’d be down to help with the archivum sycorax one, and the torrent one

[limber cradle]

"Thats a skaven" nah thats a beast man

[manic wolf]

Rolling Steel has gotta be one of the most ass experiences in this game. Visually, amazing, terrible to play

[naive imp]

loot rat voice lines were hilarious

[main wagon]

I need a reaction image that’s just a character holding up a sign that says “video game” whenever someone gets on their high horse about “muh lore”

[limber cradle]

Idk if I'm gonna be on much longer atm, I'm hitting the point of tired/god why can't these randoms stay upright

[placid prairie]

Rolling steel is fine, teammates are ass and gave no concept of it being timed

[tropic crag]

its probably my fav map, some of the most hype matches i've played in a while have been when we had like 1 second left at the end

[placid prairie]

There’s always tomorrow tbf

Plus I have off from work tomorrow

👍

[naive imp]

the train maps a little samey for me now, maybe its more noticeable because its short

[placid prairie]

Personally I like rolling steel for the music

[limber cradle]

That works tbh

[tropic crag]

i never really grinded the train mission or anything and i don't get it much these days so i just like it

[main wagon]

Honestly if they reworked the double battery mid event, it would be significantly less shit

[icy scaffold]

Rolling Steel is peak, also doesn’t drag on too long which is nice

[compact maple]

Wish bone saw could deal woth crushers a little bit better

[main wagon]

That is where runs go to die

[limber cradle]

I'm ngl I feel disdain for people who go down first on arby, I know it's a personal failing but like goddamn bro

[tropic crag]

i just like that its a good fight all the way through, so its just a fun fast bash

[grand jewel]

switch mode

[manic wolf]

Well thats the thing, its so reliant on having competant teammates. If you don't, its a fucking miserable experience, and 99% of the time, you wont get the teammates you need

[placid prairie]

Use the ourple

[grand jewel]

purple good

[tropic crag]

snipers have ended so many attempts right there

[placid prairie]

Randoms force you to get good at the game

[naive imp]

all maps should have a timer

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. if you didnt have to backtrack it would be much better

[placid prairie]

Think of it that way

This is your trial by fire

[main wagon]

Honestly I prefer when the second battery is up top on the second car back because it’s not as horrific as trying to go back the bottom way

[tropic crag]

honestly, at least in auric, i find that while i'm grabbing the first battery someone is grabbing the second... usually lol

[manic wolf]

I'm fully aware of that fact, I've been playing since beta, doesnt mean I want to put up with timmy and darrell who dont know the mission is on a timer on one that requires you to move stuff around like a packrat

[limber cradle]

It pisses me off when there's 3 of them down and you go to revive one and they disconnect mid revive and you have to train the entire fucking map again

[main wagon]

If we make it past battery mid event, its somewhat hard to die before the boss and I’ve never failed a run once the boss appears

[sturdy linden]

Ykw

[main wagon]

I’ve hit the “impact imminent” timer twice

But only with the boss up, naturally

If it pops up before that, gg

[sturdy linden]

I think event missions would be very easy if people weren't fucking asshats who took shoot heavy builds into it

[main wagon]

Okay to be fair

Listen

I FEEL

but

[tropic crag]

i blame fat shark for not locking all ranged weapons behind 50 games of auric

[main wagon]

They released shooty shooty gun class, and then knowingly brought back “enemies explode on headshot” modifier

They’re guiltier than the players

[manic wolf]

It was deliberate

[naive imp]

the last train mission i had fail was because i was knife vet and i forgot how huge dodges were so... off the side i went

[main wagon]

Initial scum experience

[sturdy linden]

I had a Vet and Arbi in last game shooting everything

[main wagon]

Those bridges on trenches have claimed many a teammates from me

[tropic crag]

vt2 had a phase like this tbh

[sturdy linden]

I swear I didn't see the fucking arbi do anything except fire his shotgun into everything

[main wagon]

I’m so sorry

Jfc

[manic wolf]

As much fun as Desperado is to play, I can't help but feel its rather un-fun to be in a lobby with. Particularly with this event modifier

[main wagon]

Was it the Mk3 or Mk8?

[tropic crag]

the ones where you're up high like zig zagging to the next area?

[sturdy linden]

Score chaser probably

[sturdy linden]

Mk3

[main wagon]

If it was the Mk8, woe barrels upon he

[sturdy linden]

Wait

It was the one with the wide spread

[main wagon]

Mk3 is the duckbill

Ye

[sturdy linden]

So he was popping multiple poxxers with each shot

[tropic crag]

rampage scum is more fun and anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy or hasn't really tried it enough lol

[main wagon]

Oh Christ

[sturdy linden]

And the Vet was on Recon Las

[main wagon]

I didn’t think about that

[limber cradle]

Is anyone else finding their 4 scum games are going smoother than mixed class games on high diffs?

[sturdy linden]

Yes

I am genuinely getting to the point where I want to queue dodge Arbi and Vet players

[limber cradle]

It feels like the dead inverse of launch

[tropic crag]

been a mixed bag but yeah, the other people tend to be the liability more than the scum atm once you get to auric

[main wagon]

A couple times I’ve just hoped that people have noticed me stopping my A-10 warthog burst because I was cognizant of a burster coming thru

[naive imp]

i autopiloted near the end of the mission and shot my kickback into a horde once, ledged the other 3 people in my team

[limber cradle]

Same classes for you then?

[sturdy linden]

Yep

[naive imp]

truly, the hardest ive ever thrown (it was fine, i got em all up but that was active sabotage)

[tropic crag]

because all the good players kept playing the scum because its new and fun, and the players who couldn't figure the class out swapped back to their mains... which means the easier classes came back first

[main wagon]

Weird that I’m seeing so many more Arbites than Psykers

[limber cradle]

I'm mainly queueing for auric mael rn and my 4 scum AMs are going much, much smoother than when I have an arby/vet/og in game. Psykers and zealots seem to be fine.

[main wagon]

Returning players must have coin flipped on which DLC to buy

[limber cradle]

Hey, you said it.

[sturdy linden]

And if I'm on Desperado it doesn't matter but if I'm on melee then it becomes fucking annoying getting tossed around everywhere

[main wagon]

Level 250+ sister of battle cosplay and I constantly rescuing the rest of the team as the only ones alive

[main wagon]

Wild pairing tbh

[woeful hill]

cat enjoys watching scum chat and cookie clicker

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

her

[tropic crag]

its just the side effect of the class not really being obvious in its power and being full of shiny noob traps that hide other value (and some misleading descriptions lol)... eventually the class will even out like psykers did

[echo plaza]

I was very confused when I first saw you get on cookie clicker through steam notifications

[limber cradle]

Misleading descriptions is an understatement

I think i gotta find room in my build for tox pocket sand

I genuinely miss them when I don't have them

[tropic crag]

pocket sand is great, tox pocket sand is even more great tbh

[main wagon]

Tbh I expected a similar trend to Arbites.

Class comes out
Nerds do the math
Meta slaves download The Build™
Wreak havoc on QP

I’m happy to hear y’all saying it seems like it’s getting better. I’ve been at work all day

[limber cradle]

When I'm left as the last dude lately I find myself going "fuck I miss tox pocket sand, this would really help with the 8 million things chasing me"

[tropic crag]

arby has alot of baked in easy value so the arby wave lasted alot longer, but yeah most people who aren't finding the class good are stopping playing it and the people who are finding value are still playing it so yeah its better

[limber cradle]

A lot of arbs talents just work ime

[tropic crag]

honestly tho i'm kind of running easy mode scum atm because i'm using bonesaw/needlegun/rampage/and tox skills

[limber cradle]

"Attack to get more damage" is a big one

[lost token]

Arbites is meant to be a walking foothold so it makes sense.

[tropic crag]

i like arby as well, arby is fun, but its a very "play it and it'll work" sort of deal and forgives alot of mistakes

zealot is kind of like that too

[limber cradle]

I do not like playing arby tbh

[arctic imp]

I don’t think that’s easy mode, easy mode is a ranged desperado build with your weapon of choice. If you can dodge and take pickpocket, you’re going to get top damage and not die.

[lost token]

Unless it's totally exhausted, the class is built around just being solid at holding a front, getting waves pumped and making holes in hordes and elites as often as possible.

[limber cradle]

Playing arby makes me play vet with a combat shotgun instead

[tropic crag]

i've seen so many people running like this that just get dogged while trying to clutch or just in general because they refuse to take out a melee weapon to push

[lost token]

Playing like a bully works in a way that i think vet already does but less flashy.

[limber cradle]

Vet kills shit better, simple as.

[arctic imp]

That’s just them being bad, it is so powerful though that a lot of scum are using it

[lost token]

True.

[arctic imp]

Unfortunately for scum but fortunately for vet

[tropic crag]

maybe i think its easy because i'm just alot better at melee then gun play in these games and its the easiest melee setup in terms of tankiness and stuff

[lost token]

Arbites kills stuff too before having to beat down a wall or make another hole somewhere else.

[limber cradle]

In comparison to arb

[arctic imp]

I get you, Personally I find the tox stuff really interesting and I wish it was more prominent than all these desperados

[arctic imp]

Oh for sure, what I like about arbi is it feels like the genuine best all rounder with tankiness slapped on*

[thorny ginkgo]

do yall prefer stub pistols or autopistols for pure dps desperado

[limber cradle]

Autos

By a very large margin

Pistols are fun, but autos just shit out damage for low input

[tropic crag]

i've run into other tox players but almost no one running tox bonesaw besides myself tbh, like i've only seen a few and its kind of sad because its such a fun way to play the class

[main wagon]

I love how you call that easy mode scum when my easy mode is “shivs, autos and rocket with desperado + vulture”

[thorny ginkgo]

ya they do, i asked bc i never used the stubs on a maxed out build

[vocal saffron]

YAAAAWN

[main wagon]

Maybe there’s hope that I don’t have to feel build guilt

[tropic crag]

its because you can take overheads and barely lose hp with my setup... lol i get exploded by bursters all the time and its fine.... theres just some short gaps where i can't tank those hits

[placid prairie]

Yeah that’s the worst

[limber cradle]

Hard mode scum? Your build. Easy mode scum? My build cause I'm better.

[main wagon]

I wish I didn’t have this weird feeling that other players are genuinely giving a fuck what I run

[arctic imp]

I agree but I struggled to use the bonesaw until I used it with rampage. Even then, crowbar felt better with it

[main wagon]

Aside from the smite meme I don’t think there are too many setups that cause people to instant DC on joining a lobby

[manic wolf]

I kinda enjoy a proper hybrid setup the most tbh, but yeah. Its more that Desperado just isnt very fun to be in a lobby with

[placid prairie]

I will only dc if someone is running smyker

[naive imp]

i barely look at what other people are using in an auric

[manic wolf]

Its the same "oh this game is trivial now" energy that being in a lobby with a Psyker is

[limber cradle]

Alright, we're gonna practice a simple exercise here, repeat after me; "fuck em"

[main wagon]

Fuck em!

(It’s hard)

[arctic imp]

Oh tell me about it. I want to try my rampage build and a desperado will eat everything. It’s flame psyker all over again

[naive imp]

well yeah itd be hard to do while soft

[thorny ginkgo]

one of my best games on scum

[drifting heron]

Imposter

Kill them

[tropic crag]

i think all my time using great hammer has helped me, its kind of the same rotation you'd use with great hammer from vt2 when going for more damage over cc (L>L>L>L>L>H1 or whatever) and its nearly the same speed as the greathammer lights so it just feels like bonking heads like i'm used too... plus the heavy drag attacks feel good when you learn how to land them

[manic wolf]

It kinda is yeah, in fact, its exactly like that

[tropic crag]

like with bone saw you do alot of bashing each head once then going for a heavy sweep across them, just like you would with small groups when going heavy dps with the great hammer

[main wagon]

Claiming the righteous harvest of another reject

Mandated Edict: 180 days in the ball crushing machine

[manic wolf]

Actually, no its worse, because stuff just dies, its not on a DoT based timer, they just fall over

[tropic crag]

so bonesaw requires a more active "bonk every head once" approach when fighting

[placid prairie]

Also to quickly add onto this, I’m reminded of when a zealot joined a match where everyone was down, and tabbed out in the middle of it, eating shit and almost going down. In chat I had typed “pay the fuck attention, dude”. They only survived because another person joined. They got the rez, saw I was playing scum, and in chat typed “OF COURSE IT’S A FUCKING SCUM” later they got netted, took NO damage, and in the middle of me saving them, rage quit

[arctic imp]

I think the bonesaw is super cool, but I hate attacks that dig you in. I got used to the crowbars little thing, and maybe one day I’ll do it with the bonesaw.

[manic wolf]

Don't you threaten me with a good time

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-robot-pincers-gif-17376524

[young herald]

embrace the chainaxe

become one with the latch

[tropic crag]

when you learn it it feels gooood tho, one shotting an elite by dragging it down their chest is just... meaty

[placid prairie]

I will be a blender instead

[young herald]

feel it, live it, love it

[main wagon]

The buddy I’ve been playing with had enjoyed saw, but he got sucked into desperado for a bit when he realized how quickly and easily I was clearing the horde he was bonking lmao

[limber cradle]

Dude the people in this game have dogshit mental lately ime

[main wagon]

He told me he had to stop because it was too stupid and he could feel his gamesense slipping

I understand though because I tried going back to Arbites after Scum mobility and WOW

OUCH

[tropic crag]

getting dazzled by the speed of a kill is a newbie trap, the real fun is taking longer so you get more fight

[main wagon]

You cannot slide melee attacks on other classes

[worn gull]

Is Nimble fixed yet?

[main wagon]

Daily reminder

[arctic imp]

I definitely should try it. Are there any build differences between a rampage with crowbar versus chainaxe or bonesaw? There’s only so many good nodes for melee so I assume they’d be identical with keystone variation between dependency and adrenaline

[manic wolf]

Real. I have seen a LOT of toxicity this last week. People just being massive cunts after they eat a death or summat

[thorny ginkgo]

a lot of scums rush ahead and leave their mates behind and die

[manic wolf]

Was never broken.

[arctic imp]

Are you calling me out 🤔

[young herald]

anything that works with crowbar works with chaxe.

That said, I run this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a086ba12-2d12-456f-82c0-231dee223a07/ride-the-meat-bicycle

[thorny ginkgo]

no but thats what ive seen when i play

[tropic crag]

if you go adrenaline then avoid the nodes that require kills since the poison will take those alot... and other than that the tox stuff on the right is really worth it to take

for bonesaw i mean

[thorny ginkgo]

i wanna like chem builds so bad but desperado just overshadows it

[tropic crag]

i still need to test out chaxe stuff

picking something because its "the best" in a tide game is just a recipe to being upset eventually lol

pick things off of fun tbh

[young herald]

just run whatever's fun tbh

[thorny ginkgo]

i find desp more fun thats what i mean

[placid prairie]

Honestly. Very rarely I leave, and if I do it’s because I’m aware I’m just starting to tilt and that it’s going to help nobody

[young herald]

tide games are great because you can 100% ignore meta and win regardless if you just git gud

[placid prairie]

It takes a lot for me to tilt

[young herald]

part of why i'm enjoying scum so much

[limber cradle]

Sometimes I alt f4 in games but thats normally when DT starts running like shit

[placid prairie]

Fair

[tropic crag]

lol thats fair enough, i don't play this game for shooting but the guns are fun so i can't really blame people for it

[tropic crag]

meme builds with matching outfits are the true endgame

[placid prairie]

Desperado is fun but I also like being allowed to get any use out of rampage

[thorny ginkgo]

when you line up a horde with ur pistols and just melt them

[main wagon]

I’m Garrus Vakarian and this is my favorite tool on the Discord client

Folks have been chit chatting off and on about it

[young herald]

nimble is not bugged, and has never been bugged

it's just people failing to understand a tooltip

[tropic crag]

i was wondering because i just kept using it and it felt like it should

[manic wolf]

You know. Theres just one thing that annoys me about Scum.

[icy scaffold]

Kinda scuffed that chem dependency is the best keystone for Desperado. Gotta have my infinite ammo

[limber cradle]

Sometimes I also alt f4 DT if I bit off more than I can chew and by that I mean I didn't press f10 fast enough in queue when I finally realized I'm tired

[manic wolf]

Why can I not get this on Scum.

Its a fucking pooper scooper.

[young herald]

it's true

[placid prairie]

I rush ahead so I can play the game

[tropic crag]

because scum don't dig latrines they just poo on the move

[placid prairie]

Then I notice everyone died on a ledge trying to rez one guy

[manic wolf]

ITS A SHOVEL

[limber cradle]

What if I tell you thats a water cartel mask

[main wagon]

Idk big dawg I’ve been crutching nothing but Vultures and I hardly ever even proc pickpocket because I don’t get that low

[manic wolf]

Its like the most basic shit

[placid prairie]

[young herald]

doesn't matter, it's not about the cartel. It's about the fact that it's a borderlands psycho mask regardless

[tropic crag]

theres no ground in the hive city, what are they digging?

[manic wolf]

You telling me a Scummer couldnt find one of these in a dumpster somewhere?

[manic wolf]

Graves, thats the pointttt maaaaaannnn

[main wagon]

I can literally kill everything with guns, burn a magazine while my CD regens, and then wait to use Desperado to actually reload the weapon

[placid prairie]

That’s a sapper shovel

That’s like, combat engineer shit

[tropic crag]

bro you think they dig graves for the food?

[main wagon]

Graves?

No no, corpse starch

[young herald]

see? I do need bright orange pants, but those don't exist yet, so I'll just go with the one with hazard stripes on it

[manic wolf]

I just want the best moveset in the game on Scum :/

[tropic crag]

trust me, shovel is life so i get it, but i also understand why the people who live in the metal jungle don't have tools for digging in dirt

[main wagon]

Crowbar H1 is ballsack but other than that it’s almost perfect

[placid prairie]

Shivs or crowbar imo

[sturdy linden]

Vulture's is more than good enough

[supple torrent]

just rock the tread lightlies, whichever one is the cheeetah print

[main wagon]

Its not the Mk1 shovel, but it’s close

[tropic crag]

shovel is like one of the most perfect weapons in a tide game

[placid prairie]

Cheetah print is show

[young herald]

that's the show iirc

[limber cradle]

Thief harness would work good with it too imo

[main wagon]

Better PA imo because it actually comes with built in cara already

[icy scaffold]

My problem is that Vulture’s doesn’t really add anything. You already delete anything that’s not a Crusher with Uzis, you’re already fast, and chem dependency can give you essentially 15-20% permanent crit uptime on both melee and ranged.

[supple torrent]

gangs that arent water cartel all look the same to me

[placid prairie]

Crowbar is better because it can yoink crushers right out of an overhead

[austere coyote]

am I missing something with the double barrel or is it just ass

[sturdy linden]

It removes the need to dodge melee attacks

[placid prairie]

Tread lightlies are hazard markings

[main wagon]

Crowbar kinda requires a wee bit of melee investment to be really good though

[limber cradle]

Its good on vet, idk about scum

[placid prairie]

Fortunately I play melee scum

[main wagon]

I can just take the Mk1 on plasma or helbore with no WS

And it’s devastating

[tropic crag]

its pretty good if you build weapon swapping more into your build and use it as a surge in power and not just the only way you kill things

[sturdy linden]

If you're trying to make it work with Desperado you need Both Barrels or the reloads will suck

[bronze glade]

ass? no. just reload more.

[icy scaffold]

Just dodge back twice and you’re far enough away, and then everything near you is riddled with bullets

[main wagon]

I was hoping I could use the crowbar with the autos

[manic wolf]

Telling me they dont have giant turd processing plants they might need a shovel in to clean out some equipment sometimes? I bet they do

[main wagon]

But the shivs are just a better option because of the tox

[young herald]

iron riders are red and brass (gee, I wonder where I've seen that before), tread lightlies are blues + hazard stripes, and the show is all flashy gold bling

[austere coyote]

Show also uses pinstripes as a visual motif

[main wagon]

Water Cartel cosmetics are all kinda wank except the gold tier pants

[icy scaffold]

Tread Lightlies are the best because iron within iron without

[main wagon]

And I chose cartel

Treadies get the best drip hands down

[tropic crag]

yeah but that would be like a snow shovel (trust me i worked in jobs that shoveled shit ) or a normal length garden shovel, not a soldiers trench shovel... or more likely a big shovin paddle because the shovel broke 3 generations ago and they had to make a new one

[limber cradle]

Idk man I think i look awesome

I love the purple/silver with black and white

[sturdy linden]

Yeah but when I hit Despacito I just charge ahead deleting anything in my path and ignoring whatever is trying to hit me from the flanks. Once Despacito ends I just use hypex stimm and it's back up soon enough

[placid prairie]

Techno barbarian lookin shit, that’s tough

[young herald]

see, tread lightlies have the best looking gear, but it's kinda hard to declare them the best cartel. They don't have Lord Magleviathan after all

[supple torrent]

IDK if I've gotten all the cosmetics yet but is there any "conclave" cosmetics?

[main wagon]

I don’t like that chest piece for Cartel

[thorny ginkgo]

is shivs good with rampage?

[limber cradle]

I feel like a cyber gladiator, its awesome

[bronze glade]

yeah

[manic wolf]

Damnnit, just side with me so we have more people bullying fatshark into giving Scum the shovel

[thorny ginkgo]

oou bet

[placid prairie]

It’s genuinely a good fit lol

[tropic crag]

i think every melee weapon is good with rampage tbh

[limber cradle]

I love all the little cybernetics on em, I like the black and white hazards too

[icy scaffold]

Sure they have the coolest leader, but at the end of the day, drip is what truly matters

[supple torrent]

Or do I just wear Show pants with tread lightlies headband?

[bronze glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447448646168739880/31F6591.MP4?ex=693af4d9&is=6939a359&hm=d339a7d2f5afc00bdace9ca7bfd0e177240d37138b394fe4f8a06f9a63e689ed&

I meaaaaan look at this and tell me if you think it's good or not lol

[main wagon]

I wish blademaster garb wasn’t wearing a potato sack

[young herald]

kinda sorta not really. There's non-cartel cosmetics, like the frock with the iron skill you can unlock, or the shirtless harness thing, but nothing for the conclave afaik

[main wagon]

Such a cool arm armor

But the shirt is so ugly

[tropic crag]

i take my poop shovel lore very seriously out of respect for my beloved weapon

[thorny ginkgo]

lmfao shi

yea brb

[supple torrent]

damn, I gotta mix and match like some kinda reject,

[tropic crag]

like rampage is a 50% damage boost on top of other things... its just crazy good

[main wagon]

Average blade and sorcery gameplay

[icy scaffold]

I do the same except I have chem dependency instead so I have an extra 20% damage reduction at all times and still don’t worry about the melee guys because I just shoot them while zipping around. Plus blackout nades go brrrrt

[sturdy linden]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pawing-at-you-cat-meme-cat-want-attention-cat-gif-cat-pawing-at-you-fast-gif-6262569175282285940

[sturdy linden]

Last thing a Rager sees before death

[bronze glade]

yup that's my dreg rager build

[limber cradle]

The enemies pov when I run rampage shivs

[tropic crag]

anyone try the normal knife and rampage yet? its on my list of not tried

i assume its good but normal knife is boring to me

[manic wolf]

Its decent

[sturdy linden]

I think you'd have to work hard to find a melee that doesn't work really well on scum

[limber cradle]

It worked fine when I tried it but tbh I drastically prefer shivs cause I find spamming push attack fuckin boring

[supple torrent]

shiv rampage players are the purest form of crackhead

[sturdy linden]

It's mostly just "what's my choice instrument of death today?"

[manic wolf]

Sadly not a shovel

[tropic crag]

maybe same with ranged weapons too, maybe... they feel like oggy in how many things are just "good" so you can do whatever

[young herald]

crowbar is just a better folding shovel

so w/e

[bronze glade]

wdym better

[tropic crag]

the best shovels aren't the folding ones tho

[young herald]

yes

[manic wolf]

I mean, better folding shovel, maybe, but the only good shovel is the original one

[bronze glade]

both have similar crusher TTKs

crowbar has worse horde clear

unless you do adren rampage

at which point any melee wep is good

[tropic crag]

shovel have a better groove to it than crowbar is the main reason i'd put one over the other

[limber cradle]

Adrenaline rampage making the HSword work is really funny to me

Zealots have been trying to make that thing function for years

[tropic crag]

heavy sword scum is actually pretty fun tbh lol

[limber cradle]

All they needed was some pure cocaine, who knew

[manic wolf]

Yup. It has literally the best moveset in the game

[limber cradle]

Shovel is old reliable to me

Its such a safe and effective weapon ime

[tropic crag]

i really like both oggy and human shovel, they are just what i want in tide weapons

[ancient basin]

waiting for dual tac axes though

[rustic goblet]

do you think people would have liked the class more if it started with the pistols and crowbar instead of the shivs and machine pistols?

[ancient basin]

maximize my crack gains

[limber cradle]

Tbh no

I think auto pistols and shivs are probably the easiest thing to actually use thats scum unique

[rustic goblet]

aw man. i dont think i agree.

[limber cradle]

Crowbar and saw both kinda need to be built into and would've felt worse

[ancient basin]

shivs flow naturally into the scum defensive kit, giving you tons of mobility and speed

[bronze glade]

crowbar is fucking dogshit without adren

[ancient basin]

crow bar does not, it punishes you for not using your block and dodges well

[bronze glade]

which you get at like... level 25

[rustic goblet]

as soon as i used the autoguns i hated them instantly

[ancient basin]

and yeah, it is designed to need your late tree buffs

[limber cradle]

Why?

[ancient basin]

autoguns as in the uzis or the standard infantry autoguns

[rustic goblet]

magazine gone in an instant so its not good for horde clearing

[limber cradle]

Fwiw I used them for my entire 18 hour session going from scum 1-30, I love those fuckin things

[rustic goblet]

no armor pen so its not good for carapace

[limber cradle]

So

You shouldnt shoot cara anyway

[manic wolf]

Looks at Boltgun

[drifting heron]

You're on scum just run rending stim and rending on desperado

[rustic goblet]

i mean theres definateky guns that kill carapace well

[limber cradle]

Yeah bro dump an entire mag into one crusher, very effective

[supple torrent]

naah I'd 50 visc red stim desperado crushers

[ancient basin]

I find the pendulum of power swings either in favor of deleting armor, or instant massive horde clear. dual autos can horde clear very well, so that crusher is easy pickings for your team at that point

[manic wolf]

Uhh... Bolter Vet actually deletes them in like two shots

[ancient basin]

just book it and let them deal with it

[thorny ginkgo]

is collat or mobility the better dump stat for bolt pistol?

[rustic goblet]

and the spread is horrendous

[limber cradle]

What build? Everytime i see vets magdumping crushers its the full mag

[bronze glade]

collat

[rustic goblet]

making them not good for picking annoying special at range

[limber cradle]

Tap them

[ancient basin]

also, you could run hip fire revolver desperado scum like me, 1 mag crushers with my big iron

[vocal saffron]

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[rustic goblet]

OOOOO

[slim dragon]

have ya tried can-opener crowbar for crushers?

[rustic goblet]

i just got autopistols to mastery 20

[limber cradle]

Thank you, ik someone who will love this

[slim dragon]

cause like, dual-auto's desperado doesnt really have any problems BUT crushers

[manic wolf]

Give me a minute, i needed to rebuild it

[slim dragon]

so, run a melee that directly counters em

[limber cradle]

Personally? I see a crusher and I bring out my bits of broken pipe and go to town.

[ancient basin]

I think I posted this earlier but yeah

leans more into your melee for most of the round, but it dunks on crushers and specials

[slim dragon]

yeah all decent options

[vocal saffron]

does close ranged damage count for melee

[ancient basin]

I think so

[rustic goblet]

shivsd ui diddnt like at first but i think i like them the more i use them

[ancient basin]

I cant run my mag dump revolver on my rampage build though, sadness

[slim dragon]

I kinda just stick with standard combat shotty for Rampage builds. but I havent really enjoyed rampage as much as desperado

due to the nature of how I play, its by far and away my strongest boss slayer

[limber cradle]

I use the spinny pistols for rampage tbh

[tropic crag]

i love rampage, its as close to slayer as we've come in darktide

[slim dragon]

aka: I dont play zealot like at all lol

[manic wolf]

I know its a bit overspecced on Rending, but thats so melee is good into all targets too

Its actually better than what I had before

[haughty slate]

Does anyone know what the best melee weapon for dealing with crushers on Scum is?

[tropic crag]

i feel like needle gun is one of the stronger picks for a rampage side arm, since its so good at just pointing at a problem and making it go away with zero skills added on

[limber cradle]

Ill try it in psyk at some point

I believe it would 2 shot them to the head

[limber cradle]

On what sorta build

[random shuttle]

Mmm nothing like morning coffee + cig to really clean the pipes, you know.

[limber cradle]

Regrettably I smoke nothing anymore

[manic wolf]

Yup, indeed it does

[random shuttle]

Well as the Polish say - Kto pije i pali ten nie ma robali.

[ancient shore]

Alright hive scum what perks are best for the dual auto pistols

[limber cradle]

I have to physically restrain myself from only responding with "kurwa"

[limber cradle]

Flak+unyielding/maniacs, I prefer unyielding for reapers and bulwarks

[random shuttle]

A very Polish word indeed.

[ancient basin]

shivs are strong from the alt fire tox knives and general dodge speed and distance. Combat knife also deletes crushers too. other options are not as fast generally

[haughty slate]

A purely ranged build. Just trying to get the default best weapon to use against crushesr.

[ancient basin]

crowbar can work but its finnicky, you will most likely get slapped around by other near by stuff as you go for a crusher kill

[haughty slate]

I feel like the knife is so much slower on scum than vet

[ancient basin]

I would go shivs or combat knife then, as you can kill them or run away easy

[haughty slate]

I guess that's the best we got though

[limber cradle]

Ime shivs then

[bronze glade]

shivs are great for desp builds

[ancient basin]

mark 6 combat knife push stab spam fucks crushers into dust

and we got stam for days

[limber cradle]

Shivs literally just work.

[manic wolf]

Tac Axe also

[bronze glade]

yeah taxe is good too

[ancient basin]

true, I always forget the humble tac axe, it is very versitile and strong

dont think hard, just spam lights to win

[manic wolf]

Im kinda hard pushed to say its not the best weapon on Scum all round tbh

[haughty slate]

I crit + headshot push attacked for a whole 765 damage

[manic wolf]

Ehhhh

[limber cradle]

Tac Axe is just good, idk why its not more common

[ancient basin]

lemme go build a combat knife to get a clip sec

[manic wolf]

Its heavies and special attacks are also really good, and its one of the very few movesets where you can use proper combo strikes including the special attacks being weaved in

[haughty slate]

make sure it's talentless because I'm using a ranged build

[manic wolf]

Im not sure either tbh, it can be as braindead or as cerebral as you're willing to make it

[limber cradle]

I think it lacks the cool factor for a lot of people

[haughty slate]

Tac axes look ugly. That is why I have never used them.

[limber cradle]

Its kinda just a utility axe

[manic wolf]

Going on movesets alone, there is very few things I would put in S tier outside of TacAxe and Shovel tbh

Effectiveness is a different matter, but there are so few weapons where their entire moveset is fluid, fun to play, and applicable to the ingame scenarios

[ancient basin]

I am using it on my ranged build too

[next fern]

are people running float like a butterfly on desperado dual stubber builds

[limber cradle]

I am

[next fern]

feels kinda bad you have to path a mostly wasted node to get it

[haughty slate]

you really should because crit builds with the left side of the tree are busted

the one point tax for precision violence is worth it

and nice for when you need to swap to melee for whatever reason

[next fern]

im not even pathing through precision violence

[limber cradle]

Precision violence is good tbh

If you ever have to rip out your melees its nice to have

Works well with the fast melees you'll normally pair with desp too

[next fern]

not that this is the reason im not taking it but is it still bugged

[haughty slate]

Tertium Welcome on a ranged build?

[next fern]

wastes less points because i dont take quick and deadly

its an odd build

[haughty slate]

I'm confused. You're doing a ranged build that doesn't go the left hand side where all the ranged talents are?

[next fern]

it does go left

[haughty slate]

Oh.

[next fern]

you can go left through in your face

lol

quick and deadly is in the center

[haughty slate]

then why not take Quick and Deadly? Free 15% damage

[limber cradle]

Combat Knife gameplay

[ancient basin]

its not the fastest but it is a last resort ranged build melee type thing

[next fern]

well

its bc im not doing pure ranged only

but im still running desperado yea

[ancient basin]

shivs probs better because you can just throw a knife at em

[limber cradle]

I'm running this rn

[haughty slate]

I hate to say this but it won't play for me

[ancient basin]

I roll shivs on my desperado normally

[next fern]

im rotating between desperado and stimmed shivs

[limber cradle]

Autos+shivs or tac axe

[next fern]

but it takes a few points to reach sample collector

have to cut things somewhere

quick and deadly seemed like an easy one

[ancient basin]

but also, I run a counter crusher desperado build with the cowboy revolver

so I see a crusher and I start blastin

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

[haughty slate]

yeah that's about the fastest I can get too. I guess I shouldn't be so picky. It is a ranged build.

[icy scaffold]

Kinda sucks they put a tax node on the way to Vultures smh

[ancient basin]

the defence is great on both so you should do fine

[haughty slate]

Quick and Deadly is basically a free 15% damage all the time

very good

[limber cradle]

Imma be real I don't love the pathing into Vultures

It feels so

[manic wolf]

This might be a hot take, but imo, if you're doing melee/Desperado hybrid, you're better off with right/middle tree at the bottom

[limber cradle]

Like it's just a bunch of assorted shit in there

[manic wolf]

Smth like this

[icy scaffold]

You either pick melee perks or grab the free extra dodge on the class that practically insta regenerates dodges that travel insanely far

[haughty slate]

Ammo Jack and Pickpocket are good. Moving Target I couldn't care less about.

[icy scaffold]

I just go Chem dependency instead of vultures for more desperados

Plus more crit, more dr and all that fun stuff

[manic wolf]

Chem Dep' is more value for hybrid build yeah

[haughty slate]

If you're going a really crit based ranged weapon, you absolutely want Vulture's

but otherwise yes

[limber cradle]

Fwiw I do like the extra dodge, at least it isnt antagonistic with other perks.

[haughty slate]

I have a vulture's build for the autopistol that is invincible 80% of the time

you can only hit it at the end of its reload animation

kind of degenerate

vulture's dodge is probably going to have to be reworked to not be so good on fast firing guns

[manic wolf]

Vulture's Dodge is the only reason to go down to Vulture at all unless going all in on ranged

[icy scaffold]

I go all in on range with chem dependency

[manic wolf]

Pure ranged you take Vulture, melee takes Adrenaline, hybrid takes Chem Dep'

[tropic crag]

adrenaline is so comfy tbh

[manic wolf]

Its really good yeah

[icy scaffold]

40% cdr, 20% crit, 20% dr is pretty great. Plus you can grab pocket toxin to make blackout grenades into mini chem bombs.

If Vulture’s gave rending for crushers I’d go there instead but you really don’t need it otherwise unless you really like the melee dodge passive

[tropic crag]

on my rampage build i take alot of those low chem nodes and they work great for pure melee rampage adren builds also... they are just great nodes on the right bottom side

[manic wolf]

Same lmao, middle/right for melee with Adrenaline fucks so hard

[limber cradle]

Imma be honest chem dependency might be good but I love VD stacking movement speed. I fucking love going fast.

I dont even use it for the invulnerable. It's nice but like

[icy scaffold]

If you love it you love it

[haughty slate]

the invulnerable node is going to get nerfed

its just broken

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. thats more than likely

[haughty slate]

and honestly chemical dependency needs a little love... the cdr on the base node does nothing for stim crate builds

[manic wolf]

Thats the one thing on the class im surprised made it into the live game

[tropic crag]

i feel like scum needs a little downward tweaking in a few areas yeah... then it will be perfectly strong and fun

[limber cradle]

I don't think so tbh

Its only really good with particular weapons ime

Vraks, SAP, DAP

[haughty slate]

But it's REALLY stupid good with those. I have an autopistol build that can't be touched.

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. Pickpocket needs an ICD, and VD needs to just be reworked into something else

[haughty slate]

If it's shooting, it is invincible

[limber cradle]

Nah bro let me keep my steroids lmfao

[lapis raft]

only way the cdr would be relevant would be if it either applied to stimm as well or if the crate copied the stim

[tropic crag]

i think toxin damage could use a bit of a dimishing return on super high stacks as well, like keep it the same but reduce the pay off on insta melting bosses

[haughty slate]

I would absolutely love it if it applied to stim. That would be amazing.

[lapis raft]

i think so too

[manic wolf]

Like if it just gave you 20% movement speed, that would be fine, but perma-dodge state is not fine

[lapis raft]

would be a lot less annoying to play as well than havin to crate + stimm :d

[manic wolf]

Yeah, it does absolutely delete bosses at the moment, thats very true

[limber cradle]

Tbf thats a subnode inside of it, I thought you meant the thing itself

[haughty slate]

I was clutching in my last auric mission by standing trapped in a tiny corridor and shooting down a hallway with vulture's dodge

[manic wolf]

Oh, no the keystone is fine, just that one subnode is dumb

[haughty slate]

shits stupid as hell

[limber cradle]

I think its weird that Pickpocket and VD are almost just Desperado

[haughty slate]

Yeah there's a lot of weird overlap

that's why I go stim crate on the build

[tropic crag]

honestly i don't think the scum needs any hard nerfs... most things can honestly stay the same, even alot of the invuln stuff... just tone it down a bit on its peaks and the class will be perfect in terms of fun and balance

[haughty slate]

don't need to dodge and have free reloads with the keystone + pickpocket already doing that

[limber cradle]

Literally infinite ammo from 2 seperate sources is wild to me

[icy scaffold]

It needs more buffs then anything lol

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. you can kinda have the best of both worlds with Scummer. You can have juiced melee damage, and you can have infinite ammo and infinite dodge state

[limber cradle]

Mind you I'm not complaining

[haughty slate]

I love it. I was always a fan of fully ranged builds on Vet even though they weren't always optimal. Now I can finally do it in a way that's viable.

[lapis raft]

if they fix the rest of nonsense on scum

then they could start nerfing stuff probs as well

or just do it at same time :d

[limber cradle]

I still can't believe people think this class is weak or doesn't do damage

[haughty slate]

honestly Scum just needs less dead nodes. There's quite a few that are just bad. And fix some of the jank with crate...

[lapis raft]

yea

the crate still gets stuck in hands even when they tried to fix it :d

also crate needs like lower baseline cooldown maybe to not be completely invalidated by the stimm node

[icy scaffold]

I mean, it’s not that it’s weak per se, it’s just that the other classes can essentially do everything better with less weaknesses

[tropic crag]

there are a couple that are confusing but honestly most of the nodes, like actually most of them, have places in a few weird builds but they aren't gonna be popular builds

[lapis raft]

also stimm meta being basically almost never going for 100% viscosity not even with crate

[limber cradle]

If you think so man

[lapis raft]

do not makes any sense to me

like surely going for 100% shouldnt feel as bad as it does atm

[haughty slate]

Yeah so far the only real hole I see is having an easy answer to crushers on some builds. They slap the dueling sword on scum and Darktide is over.

[tropic crag]

honestly i'm finding that i can face tank pretty much the same as arby if we're being serious... like i've just been pressing W and attacking blindly and being fine waaaaay to much

[icy scaffold]

Yea, I understand Desperado not entering cooldown until it’s over, but the stim too? That’s a bit much and really hampers it

[manic wolf]

Ehh, I've not had any instance with that being a problem tbh

You can nearly always deal with Carapace either with Shivs and a multitude of other weapons, and the best choice; the zook

[haughty slate]

I've found certain builds where I can run crate with 100% viscosity and it ends up having around a 15 second cooldown by the time it expires. I also have builds where I do one tree and can have it up 24/7.

I think it's neat

[lapis raft]

dealing with multiple crushers at once with shivs is def pain without blitz

or well not pain just slow

[haughty slate]

Yeah zook is great I just find I would much rather be mopping up literally everything else in about 5 seconds than stabbing a crusher in the head 7 times to kill it

gotta shoot fast

[lapis raft]

yea if theres enough stuff 100% viscosity with crate can have very little uptime but then when suddenly there arent enough enemies you just sit there looking at 40sec cd :d

so i went back to 45s from 75s

that one is super reliable

[haughty slate]

True. This is more of an issue before auric though. After auric you're pretty much set 24/7. Seems like that's what it was balanced around.

It has a great rhythm to it now that Sample Collector puts in the maximum amount of work

[lapis raft]

idk even in mortis trials i found it just going on long cd sometimes

it can always happen

[limber cradle]

Mortis trial poxburster mutant waves give me nightmares

[haughty slate]

Yeah I just pray that my teammates are so starved to kill anything at that point from me running around like a madman that they'll go for the crushers

[supple torrent]

THey better go for the crushers when im charging gunner lines

[haughty slate]

it's very dependent on your setup too... some weapons are better at farming the poxwalkers for easy recharge

[manic wolf]

Heres where I tell you I've started purposefully ignoring Crushers so the Desperado Scum has to deal with them 😄

[haughty slate]

I'll cut you

[supple torrent]

tbf desperado scum players are faster than you

[manic wolf]

Your weenie little shiv vs my axe? I'll take that bet

[supple torrent]

Just gotta make sure there is one reject between you and the overhead

[winter tusk]

nooo don't make me do melee

[haughty slate]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-knowing-knife-threat-come-at-me-bro-gif-5858209

[manic wolf]

Seriously though, I do see Desperado getting hit with a nerf at somepoint and probably some of the surrounding nodes for ranged builds because it is just like being in a lobby with a Psyker at times

[limber cradle]

You say that like they don't continuously buff psyker

[vocal saffron]

i HATE this epic cole noob..

[random shuttle]

**Me deftly slide dodge a Mutie: **"HA HA, silly Mutie, look at how SLICK my moves are"
Crusher who was trying to overhead a bot nearby in which SLAM I just slid into: "We take those."

[manic wolf]

They do, and noone likes being in a lobby with them because of that

[haughty slate]

It's kind of a dark mirror of Psyker. Psyker's blow everything up with flame staff in an instant. Hive Scum do it over time but are literally untouchable while you watch them sprint around in circles.

[limber cradle]

I'm ngl my psyker prejudice is at an all time high lately

[manic wolf]

I would argue Scum does it quicker than Psyker does tbh

[haughty slate]

Same. I actually hate seeing flame psykers in my game. Boring as hell.

[random shuttle]

Mmm my new keyboard is so smooth, so sexy.

[echo plaza]

If fgs didn't exist I would never play psyker and even then I rarely play mine

[haughty slate]

I have not seen that setup then. Maybe the autopistols since I haven't really played around with those. The other ranged setups I tried don't have insanely high clear speed. Just good consistent damage.

[tropic crag]

had a moment today where at the max end of my long scum dodge i caught a net meant for someone else and they hadn't even dodged it , sniper to the dome as soon as i hit the ground in the net

[limber cradle]

Same tbh, and even that thing is kinda dump op

[haughty slate]

And are invincible 80% of the time...

[echo plaza]

Also purg staff is so boring I don't think I even have any mastery levels with it

[haughty slate]

The only Psyker staff I like is the zap staff and it sucks now

[random shuttle]

My fav sniper deaths are when the Mutie tosses you and sniper off you mid flight like if a Mutie threw a puck in the air for the sniper to flex with.

[echo plaza]

I avoided the surge staff for a while ever since the smite bug

[random shuttle]

Sniper: "Check this shit out, bros."

[echo plaza]

I mostly used voidstrike

[random shuttle]

I only play Psyker in Mortussy

10 Brain Bursts talent goes brr.

[manic wolf]

DAP's and Shredder both have truly insane clear speeds yeah

Like they'r reallly silly lol

[toxic dagger]

DAP with BA and speedload for maximum brrrrt and maximum uptime

Can sprint while shooting because of innate run n gun (I think?)

= untouchable bullethose of death

[haughty slate]

I haven't played my DAP build since hitting 30 and maxing shit out so maybe it's time

[toxic dagger]

I keep playing rampage shivs though so I'm not an expert on despacito

[haughty slate]

I've been too busy playing god-mode autopistol

[random shuttle]

I never use DAP with Despacito no more.

DAP is for men who enjoy NASCAR.

[vocal saffron]

i have made

an abomination.

[random shuttle]

IAG Vraks is for the intellekchuals

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/nascar-fast-left-real-fast-real-left-gif-14711602473358728559

I STARTED DRINKING AT 6AM IM ROLLING DEEP (behind enemy lines killing all their shooters)

[dense hollow]

wasted point on heavy attack rending node with dclaw mk1

[vocal saffron]

for crushers

[dense hollow]

spamming lights with crits is just faster than heavies for armor

[vocal saffron]

clang clang clang clang clang

[dense hollow]

even with its abysmal cara dmg

[vocal saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-the-rage-consumes-me-frieren-frieren-fern-fern-gif-9976482614242631922

[zenith fern]

This has to be my favourite combo

[dense hollow]

u run out of rampage quickly too spamming heavies and then you wont have the buff after ur through 50% of your rampage

[spark bough]

These new collision boxes are actually so ass if you play with constant high ping.

[bronze glade]

i feel like i'm getting stuck on shit more

[zenith fern]

I got dunked on so hard with a teammate dodging a sniper and I was the one ate it on his back

[random shuttle]

Well yes obviously

since our hitboxes got enlarged.

[bronze glade]

hope they revert the change

[tight hinge]

we got fat

[jaunty coral]

guys which questline gives the tread lightlies legendary outfit?

sorry penance* not quest line

[bronze glade]

i want to like Desperado DAP

[vocal saffron]

gg

wait

wropng chat

[bronze glade]

but honestly feels like there are better options for desperado

DAP's lack of cleave really hurts it for desperado

[vocal saffron]

update

it worked

and it was a blast

[vernal sluice]

Necroing my post? I'm doornailing you

[haughty slate]

joined an auric game late and got to try out my pure needle pistol + crate crit build

not bad at all actually

it completely shits on bulwark + crusher hordes

[random shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTT3RBUe8fI Love Mr Unc energy 😄

"THAT IS A BOOMIN!"

[spice cloud]

What is DAP?

[random shuttle]

Dual Auto Pistols

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-john-legend-the-voice-facepalm-whyy-gif-19607761

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-ohhh-realization-ksi-obviously-gif-9513718474703083951

[spice cloud]

So what are stubs? DSP?

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/dsp-darksydephil-toxic-gamer-youtube-gif-10772312

[zenith fern]

Me wonder what would happen if I go crit revolver on scum

[torpid cloud]

I mean it would work for picking off priority targets
I guess

[tropic crag]

i was just in an auric match where the ogryn typed "hold my rashuns" and then the DH healthbar appeared at the top of the screen

[fast gust]

Ogryn things

[novel oracle]

i think im going fucking insane

i finally decided to update my GL builds with the changes
most are the same build but what nodes are where is a little different
but im looking at them and theyre already updated

wtf

i didnt do that

[haughty slate]

your mom told me I could play on your account while you were at work

mb

[fast gust]

[winter tusk]

carbon monoxide poisoning

[spice cloud]

Maybe a rat sneaks on your head while youre asleep forcing you to do things you dont know about.

[random shuttle]

Darktidetoille.

[spice cloud]

Exactly

But it just does ur gameslantern builds

[haughty slate]

Does anyone know if Toxic Renewal works on other peoples kills?

[novel oracle]

no

its you that has to get a melee kill on an enemy with toxin on them

[tropic crag]

its still really really good tho tbh... at least i've been loving it on bonesaw

[vocal saffron]

i looove dclaw

i love this stipid dclaw build

[fast gust]

I love boomstick

[solar glen]

Here's a guide I've been making with the advice and bug reports I've learned from various others.

Hope it helps some people here

[spice cloud]

Huh?!? Rampage b-tier? U smokin cuh?

And desperado only if youre good

[solar glen]

Yeah I'm on that good shit Choom

[winter tusk]

rampage weak pls buff

[spice cloud]

Melee is arguably the strongest you can be as scum

Like duh

[dry atlas]

Half the reason you take Vulture's Mark is for Vulture's Dodge

Vulture's Dodge is honestly incredible

[dreamy rover]

wished they put rending into adrenaline itself

[dry atlas]

Chem Dependency is probably bait, but idk

The keystones are really underwhelming

[spice cloud]

I think you should rethink that entire thing.

[winter tusk]

i can 1shot crushers in auric on shivs without the rending

no rending on stim or on rampage

all finesse

ok

[tight rock]

Are bleed and chem toxin stacking both with shivs? I can hardly notice

[winter tusk]

"no rending"

uncanny strike is the big enabler

[dry atlas]

RPG is probably better than C tier now with buffs

[solar glen]

[dry atlas]

It's pretty nice

[winter tusk]

rpg is a human sized ogryn bomb

its overtuned

and theres 3

[dry atlas]

Chem grenade is nice, but if you're doing melee build you're using blackout grenades anyways

[main elm]

I really want to like Dual Stubs but damn they’re mid

[dry atlas]

Chem might end up being the least used nade

[winter tusk]

stubs are more utility

[solar glen]

they're coool man

[dreamy rover]

Bruh, just be happy it got buffed

[winter tusk]

probably not great for gun build

[kind viper]

chem blinders is crack

[main elm]

Yeah they’re cool

[frigid thorn]

I was literally just checking your builds to see if they updated and jumped when they got updated the second I clicked in lmao

[winter tusk]

its too buffed lol

[main elm]

That’s why I use them

But compared to DAP…

[dry atlas]

Like Chem Toxin grenade is good at helping you clear hordes of poxwalkers and ragers I guess

[main elm]

But yeah as a secondary weap in non gun build it’s ok

[dry atlas]

(you already annihilate those things)

[spice cloud]

I only use the stubs on my ranged scum

I love em

[dry atlas]

idk, it's hard to say what's strong

Until Hivescum finds it's place in a 4 man that is

[main elm]

So do I

[spice cloud]

They have much more range and accuracy then the autos

With sticky hands and run and gun u can use em to snipe

And let loose with despacito when the horde comes

[main elm]

Yes but you can’t clear mixed crowd really as well as with DAP. But yeah they’re def better at long range and to clear gunner backlines

[dreamy rover]

I sense alot of cosmetics coming for the stub pistols...

[spice cloud]

I think they are great tbh

I dont have any problems in auric

Just keep retreating and reloading

With full stacks ull even kill crushers

They also melt maulers reapers etc so in my humble opinion they are a little better for the mixed hordes

[main elm]

Idk maybe. It feels slower to me but that’s probably a player issue on my part 🤪

[spice cloud]

They just lack the magazine of the autos

So ull have to reload a lot

[main elm]

I Still perform ok with it

[spice cloud]

I think the bigger clip size perk might be good for em

[main elm]

My damage is significantly lower than with DAP overall but I feel like im doing an ok job clearing élites and specials

[radiant cosmos]

Assuming a complete lack of any supporting talents, which of the three Autoguns is best for the following purposes. More of a general than Scum question:

• Killing specialists within a reasonable amount of time, through crowds and occasionally sniper distances
• Spraying down bosses when you can't get in as well as the odd unarmored Elite.

[spice cloud]

Needle gun

Its best for bosses and elites

For melee builds

[radiant cosmos]

Yeah I know Needle Gun is optimal here for Scum, but the question is specifically for the autoguns

[fast gust]

Me when the needle gun is nerf

[spice cloud]

Then the stubs

They are better to snipe stuff

[radiant cosmos]

Let me rephrase the question: The autoguns are at low mastery and I'm dicking around on Heresy. Which one is the least painful on a Rampage or Stimm Supply build with no ranged support talents?

[eternal quail]

i rather like blinders but after the buff i gotta give the lawnchair a boom

[novel oracle]

maybe i am a little blind to how many people are actually looking at them and using them lmao

[frigid thorn]

They're really helpful! I see people mentioning to check pins for the guides in here whenever people ask for builds, haha

[fast gust]

Cole youtubers have only posted 1 or two builds of course we gonna get a ton of usage

Even the meme that is triple shot double barrel is getting popular(it's fun)

[vocal saffron]

I LOVE RAMPAGE

[zenith fern]

Huh I did not know you could right hold for the RPG

[vocal saffron]

noob .

[low harbor]

lotta inconsistencies here

was this made before the tree shuffle or after

if before I can kinda get some of it

[frigid thorn]

is there a build guide for the triple shotgun? I saw someone running around with it last match and it was hilarious

[toxic dagger]

Like I said, you're the scum expert now that those builds are pinned. Big responsibility.

[haughty slate]

Ah ok, thank you!

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-cat-tweaking-cat-help-gif-15027370981305715566

[solar glen]

both? I had to rearrange some stuff and remove some bug notes after the patch

[random shuttle]

D tier for Crit Aura? Wild.

[fast gust]

I have a wip with desperado but it's just that a wip needs more testing

Till then https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08eaf88-054e-4679-aa8a-3a67fad25ffa/this-is-dumb

(not mine obviously)

[vocal saffron]

i think this person doesn't like melee scum ,,

[low harbor]

Ok then there’re a lot of strange takes in there
How are burst of energy & tis but a scratch only B but the ranged toughness gain node an S

[dry atlas]

Tis But A Scratch might be my favorite node in the tree

I don't know why

I just think it's neat

[fast gust]

Just be warned you'll struggle with crushers

[low harbor]

Dependency is flat out weakest keystone of the three because the main benefit it gives you doesn’t actually matter much for this class

CD rate stim covers downtime for both desperado and rampage

[solar glen]

possibly

[low harbor]

And stim crate cares way more about stim recharge timer than CD regen

[solar glen]

then again, if I want to run melee, I'd go zealot

[low harbor]

Zealot is not remotely as good as melee hvs overall

Zealot melee does 1 thing better and it’s just boss chunking

Melee hvs is way way way higher mixed horde dps and doesn’t lack vs monsters either

[vocal saffron]

yah

melee is way diff

on hs

so much fun

[vocal saffron]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lGtH4ZeJQLavgeL2v?invite=cr-MSxCYncsMjA0MjU2ODk0&v=14

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lGtDchoqEZBx4pLFr?invite=cr-MSxZMGMsMjA0MjU2ODk0&v=30

[drowsy relic]

But I got no stamina after rampage and therefore bad sorry buddy I don't make the rules

[low harbor]

Rampage’s downsides are pretty tame

[vocal saffron]

very tame

easily mitigated

[low harbor]

It doesn’t set ur effective dodges to 0 so it’s not that big a deal most of the time

U just lose atk speed for like 3s