hivescum-class

[near mauve]

say what

[limber cradle]

Deathspitter stacks 5 times

[low harbor]

Brutal momentum

[signal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/gas-jerma-aut-roblox-gas-mask-gif-20176361

[near mauve]

[rich sluice]

also what does Like the Wind do? what tf even is sprint dodge angle?? WTF is a sprint dodge???

[lavish forge]

Thats finny because I love killing people with the axe

[limber cradle]

Apparently I'm not the fuckin only one lmao

[trim wind]

Shockingly this actually is explained in the adv tutorial in game, it's the angle at which gunfire won't hit you while sprinting

[hushed oracle]

Am I having a skill issue or are the crowbar blessings kinda meh

I like Can Opener ofc, but I do not know what to put in the other slot. Superiority?

[manic wolf]

Can Opener/Superiority is the most common setup iirc

[oak bramble]

You are immune to ranged fire by sprinting at a 90° angle

My man's never played zealot

[tight musk]

When you sprint, you automatically dodge ranged attacks coming from the side.

[rich sluice]

eh, useless for desperado build

[low harbor]

While sprinting with stamina, enemy ranged attacks from within 40 degrees to either side cannot hit you

[hushed oracle]

The angle is fairly narrow tbh. Even running in a straight line, you will quickly reach a point where the angle is ever so slightly over the limit and start getting hir.

[low harbor]

Like the Wind makes it so this stays active even when you have 0 stamina, and makes the angle a bit wider

[manic wolf]

Do we know exactly how much wider?

[unreal stirrup]

i mean just slide

i genuinely don't know why like the wind exist

[drowsy relic]

<@&735928989146939404> can we pin this (and unpin the bug post since it got fixed)

[low harbor]

I mean it outright tells u 15 degrees

[manic wolf]

There is that lul

[hushed oracle]

Yeah slide spam is a biit too stronk atm for that mechanic to be super useful

I do use it though

[unreal stirrup]

especially with scum stamina regen

[lilac ermine]

Nerf sliding

[manic wolf]

Oh it does? I musta glossed over that. Thats decent enough, but yeah, as Cy said, just slide lmao

[unreal stirrup]

you're positive stamina when sprint sliding

[livid raven]

even on other classes it would be a waste of a point

[unreal stirrup]

I think the only other class that positive is arby?

psyker is neutral iirc

but scum is hella positive

[low harbor]

Arb, psyker and hvs all have 0.5s stam regen delay

[tight musk]

Probably so you can sprint dodge after you lose all stamina from rampage ending.

[unreal stirrup]

I mean stamina regen

[low harbor]

But hvs has highest stam regen rate of all classes

[unreal stirrup]

not just delay

[low harbor]

At 2/s

[oak bramble]

Never Nerf sliding how Else am i supposed to assert dominance If Not by rotating at 1000dpi while sliding

[low harbor]

2nd highest is og/z at 1.5/s

[turbid sapphire]

donezo

[unreal stirrup]

damn i thought arby was higher than ogryn

[drowsy relic]

Thanks :)

[unreal stirrup]

but i haven't play ogryn in a while after classes rework

[low harbor]

Arb, psyker and vet are all 1/s

[unreal stirrup]

they're genuinely boring

[lilac ermine]

Maybe nerf to sliding would be you have to wait 2 seconds before each slide

[oak bramble]

Yeah ogryn IS too easy to play

[unreal stirrup]

that would be absolute dogshit

[toxic dagger]

Ogryn my beloved

30apm domination

[limber cradle]

Ogryn is the epitome of a class to me, they just work.

[signal swallow]

0 slide cooldown

[low harbor]

Make this psyker exclusive and I’d agree

But not on other classes

[oak bramble]

Best and strongest class Out there

[signal swallow]

Negative slide cooldowm, never stop sliding

[neon fern]

i played so much scum i forgot i have to redo all my loadouts

[signal nebula]

Ogryn is both, in theory, the easiest class to play and the easiest class to get caught out on

[neon fern]

i'm angry now

[unreal stirrup]

absolute unc

[limber cradle]

I'm eternally happy Og was a base 4 class tho

[toxic dagger]

Playing pickaxe tauntgryn will teach you real fundamentals

[neon fern]

thx god it's arby so i can literally build whatver the fuck

[toxic dagger]

All dick no balls. Once you commit to the taunt, that's it, you're in deep. No outs. Only dance moves

[unreal stirrup]

I started out with ogryn

it does help that pre class rework he have the best tree

[signal nebula]

Taunt is ez mode ogryn though

insane how good that ability is

[limber cradle]

Taunt was "welcome to the mulcher" time for me

I pressed taunt, I swung pickaxe

Things around me died

[unreal stirrup]

my class progression is basically ogryn > abandoned the game for years > arby > vet > zealot > psyker

[oak bramble]

I Wish my hive scum was more friendly towards the ogryn

[signal nebula]

Very nice having a button that turns off all ranged and gets them to run up to you to die in good order

[toxic dagger]

Nothing easy about surviving eight million crusher overheads with a branx pickaxe in your hands

[limber cradle]

Zealot is the only class I still haven't committed to leveling to 30 tbh

[toxic dagger]

Fucking chesthair shit

[signal swallow]

Martyr Zealot trust

[oak bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-slapping-slapped-slaps-face-slap-happy-gif-23993613 ogryn gameplay

[limber cradle]

That requires me to get past level like, 15

Nothing on zealot brings me joy

[signal swallow]

:(

[signal nebula]

With a Branx, that's not that scary :p premier crusher killer with a guaranteed stagger move

[limber cradle]

I don't like the blitz, I only find one ability kinda fun at all

[winter galleon]

heavy evis with martyr fotf

so satisfying

[random shuttle]

It isn't scary but it still require some skill with the tempo

[unreal stirrup]

there no charlie kirk in this gif

[toxic dagger]

Bro be so fr. That thing is not staggering all of the rotten armor you just taunted

[random shuttle]

Ogryn is like a Ballet with a Steam Roller

[compact oyster]

Rotten armor in general is cursed

[lilac ermine]

Whats rotten armor do

[oak bramble]

Who? Dont know Star Trek that well

[unreal stirrup]

ranged damage resist

[random shuttle]

I am not gonna blow smoke up anyone ass I think everyone knows here ogryn is kinda sorta OP as fuck

[signal nebula]

Rotten armour is dead bro, it can't hurt us any more

[compact oyster]

60% melee damage resistance and ranged damage resistance

[signal swallow]

Think they were some unnamed redshirt or something idk

[random shuttle]

But it doesn't mean it doesn't take skill on them havocs and such!

[toxic dagger]

Taunt with shield is a different story. Much safer. But both weapons have such shit dodges that trappers are so lethal either way lol

[random shuttle]

Wait

Wait Hank

[limber cradle]

I might have to do something drastic if rotten armor comes back

[random shuttle]

If the current bug makes everyones hitboxes bigger

[toxic dagger]

Same experience in CIVI. It works and it's strong but it's not as braindead as it seems

[random shuttle]

what kind of fucking hitbox ogryns have right now?

[limber cradle]

Civi?

[compact oyster]

Rotten armor is so dogshit

[verbal orbit]

Probably a city bus

[signal nebula]

The true terror

[random shuttle]

all melee maelstrom

[oak bramble]

The biggest one ofc

[rich sluice]

so guys... is there any reason why we dont get blackout grenade kills back from the kills they generate? Like if i have pocket toxin and the grenade kills 5 things around me i dont get 5 kills for the refresh counter. What.

[toxic dagger]

Maelstrom only scab only melee modifier. Spawns a lot of maulers and crushers

[lilac ermine]

60% ranged to??

[limber cradle]

Ty

[limber cradle]

Tyx2

[compact oyster]

Lol

[limber cradle]

I dont know their codes tbh

[compact oyster]

It used to be only ranged damage resistance

AND NOW FOR SOME REASON

[toxic dagger]

The only toxin that counts is needle pistol toxin atm

[compact oyster]

ITA MELEE DAMAGE RESISTANCE TOO

FATSHARK

[clever wren]

30% balance decision, 50% bug, 20% they just forgot

[compact oyster]

YOUR SON HAS RETURNED

[naive imp]

it was apparently broken before

[neon fern]

it was always supposed to be melee and ranged

[brittle sierra]

Is this intentional?

[rich sluice]

right. So is there any kind of reasoning to this? Because wording says ANY kill, it literally says ANY hank

[naive imp]

now the resistance actually goes down as they lose health but its melee and ranged

[toxic dagger]

Heh idk if ogryn capsule hitbox is that much bigger than the humies

[rich sluice]

well it says "every" sorry

[toxic dagger]

No reason afaik

[unreal stirrup]

stingraygpt, generate the most buggy ass modifier that crash havoc and now make it more annoying for "difficulty"

[neon fern]

i love rotten armour !!

[rich sluice]

will this get changed if enough bug reports are submitted?

[neon fern]

especially when it directly attacks my pc

[toxic dagger]

Scum has a lot of broken interactions or anti-synergies

[toxic dagger]

I'm not a prophet so that's a solid maybe

[naive imp]

why are you hand

[brittle sierra]

At the very least they fixed dependency

[hallow creek]

so if chem dependency is bugged i have to use a. rush and v. mark?

[signal swallow]

Tox grenade kills are treated like terrain kills it feels

[limber cradle]

Is this intentional to keep the power down or is this FS being FS

[unreal stirrup]

it isn't bugged

dependency is cooldown regeneration and not cooldown reduction

[clever wren]

resistance to both melee and ranged damage
resistance goes down as health goes down
Seems a lot simpler to just give them more HP

[lilac ermine]

Isnt there modifier that turns enemy green and they take less dmg

[toxic dagger]

Quickpaw being funny. He misspelled my name and I pointed it out to him and he fixed his error by changing my name

[lilac ermine]

Is that same?

[brittle sierra]

Even if right side "functioned" the way it did

Melee and Range Scum just out DPS everyone it isn't funny 😔

[toxic dagger]

I would say FS being FS.

[brittle sierra]

🤝

[compact oyster]

Thats rotten armor

[hallow creek]

didnt i literally say i wasnt getting any cooldown to you earlier this morning

[unreal stirrup]

right side isn't that bad compare to something like gunlugger lmao

[unreal stirrup]

dementia

[limber cradle]

Yeah, that seems most likely

[unreal stirrup]

also crate having infinite cd is a bug

[toxic dagger]

Pbb rework when

[signal swallow]

But but, steam forums said Hive Scum underpowered

[lilac ermine]

👍

[limber cradle]

I'm really waiting to see how they touch desp scum tbh

[unreal stirrup]

this will be extremely funny with green stim

[lilac ermine]

In the steam review they said hive scum is bad

[random shuttle]

Well Steam forums also said that Ogryn 2.0 rework gonna be weakest class

so

[hallow creek]

mfw new players didnt take the time to learn the game

[random shuttle]

you know

They don't exactly have a winning track record on takes

[compact oyster]

Omw launching a review bomb crusade because im not good enough for hive scum

[random shuttle]

[vocal saffron]

they think hivescum is weak because of the classes that got added and the reworks that broke classes and made them unkillable

Ogryn rework basically made him an entirely new beast

he was unkillable

still is

[clever wren]

"What do you mean this new class doesn't get +15% damage reduction for every finger I have on the mouse?!"

[vocal saffron]

Arbites drops and is insanely unkillabel

[hallow creek]

people just dont want to admit they dont have the fundamentals of this game. hive scum is hard, yes, but we learned the basics lul

[vocal saffron]

unkillable*

with hellish amounts of tness regen

tdr and dr

and hs drops without so much as passive stun immunity

[compact oyster]

I do think hive scum needs some for of passive toughness regen

[vocal saffron]

with i think only 4 tness regen talents?

[frigid basalt]

Call me stupid and dumb and bad and garbaeg

[vocal saffron]

not counting keystones or nodes on keystones?

[frigid basalt]

but I think arbites is in an okay place

[signal swallow]

Any class that makes me have to try is bad

[vocal saffron]

it's very much a class if u dont have the combat loop down VERY well u will die a lot

[frigid basalt]

and so is scum

and every class really

except zealot

[toxic dagger]

God that was so funny. The community is really bad at predicting or estimating if something is going to be strong or not

[brittle sierra]

I think the right side has the potential in havoc comps to be like the equivalent of a shield comp

Because if you give your whole team CDR and Stam stimm

1.) The CDR basically gives classes like Vet and Ogryn unlimited CC

2.) Unlimited stam allows you to do silly shit like tank demonhosts or push out of a bad situation or pick someone up int the middle of a horde

[vocal saffron]

which is why i think that he forums dont like hs

i've come to learn the average darktide player doesn't even play auric

[frigid basalt]

the average darktider thinks heresy or damnation is hard

[unreal stirrup]

I wasn't shitting on right side but thank for the extra input

[vocal saffron]

slim majorit play damnation, second most is the diff just below damn, and the rest spread out between auric (mostly) and havoc

[unreal stirrup]

also you can double crate with 75s cd stim

[frigid basalt]

but every time I have to re-level a character playing on those levels puts me to sleep

[unreal stirrup]

so funny dependency

[frigid basalt]

it's like a ghost town

[toxic dagger]

Where did you learn this?

[main trellis]

Don’t forget ppl making bad builds & wondering why they keep dying

[signal swallow]

I was there doing day one hs release heresy. Some of these players are really bad

[limber cradle]

I'm so glad the dlc class has a tangible skill floor instead of whatever the fuck is going on with Arb

[unreal stirrup]

hard to not make bad build in this game where half the thing dont do what it said in the tooltip lmao

[lilac ermine]

I was playing auric games and I join with two lvl 1s in my team 😬

[unreal stirrup]

i mean for average players

[signal swallow]

How

[unreal stirrup]

friends

[lilac ermine]

My friend who im lvling is lvl 1 so it put us with lvl 1s

[frigid basalt]

is that possible?

[signal swallow]

Crazy

[frigid basalt]

wild

wait no I still don't understand how that's possible

[unreal stirrup]

it also doesn't help that hive scum is really punishing before talent switch because all your essential toughness node is on bottom

[frigid basalt]

if you're in auric and your friend got pulled into auric by you

how did the other 2 rando lvl 1s queue into auric

if they're... level 1

[unreal stirrup]

so bad player + bad tree progression

[lilac ermine]

So there was another lvl 30 there with another lvl 1

So we had 2 lvl 30s and 2 lvl 1s

[frigid basalt]

damn, so you're throwing your friend under the bus

[signal swallow]

Did you win

[frigid basalt]

smh, everyone shame him

[lilac ermine]

Yes but its harder

[unreal stirrup]

hvs is genuinely the seconds worst tree to prog before hotfix imo

[lilac ermine]

We did that 2 times

And there was 2 different lvl 30s and lvl 1s

[frigid basalt]

tbh only like maelstrom auric is where the level and equipment starts to hurt if you don't have good ones

[lilac ermine]

They were leveling hive scum and normally play other class

[manic wolf]

I liked old tree Scummer :/

[unreal stirrup]

nothing changed much except making early scum isn't a living hell

[lilac ermine]

Idk what auric it was I was on quickplay

[manic wolf]

Cost me two points, so imo, it did

[lilac ermine]

I had like 12 revives

[frigid basalt]

What did change is that it's a LOT more awkward for desperado scum

[astral canyon]

What place is it now post-hotfix

[frigid basalt]

but a lot easier for melee scum

[unreal stirrup]

can't tell because my ass is maxed lmao

[astral canyon]

for now

[toxic dagger]

If scum has one spec that can take it, it's desp

[unreal stirrup]

also i cheated by using 500 power level weapon

[manic wolf]

Onboarding is easier

[unreal stirrup]

[lilac ermine]

I gained extra points for depserado scum

[vocal saffron]

back in the day a yter/forum poster made a survey (with the old difficulties and prior to havoc) to see who played what. it was entirely voluntary and had a lot of participants. the majority of people played damnation, but only slightly, who surveyed, with second most at the time playing Heresy

[ancient basin]

I think also alot of people are using stim to double down on a big burst of power, when its probably better to use it to keep a moderate level of consistent power over time. Then they get cuaght out with no safety net and jsut fall over

[signal swallow]

Zealot may be bad but the voice lines go hard

[toxic dagger]

Ty

[ancient basin]

assuming its not a BS situation of 15 poxbombers or silent netters

[signal swallow]

“Blood for the Emperor, Skulls for the Golden Throne!”

[compact oyster]

To be fair that doesnt apply in 2025 or 2026

[vocal saffron]

idk what it's like now

[frigid basalt]

It's an okay way to technically nerf desperado

[winter galleon]

I still cant vhoose between dependancy and vultures on desperado build

[vocal saffron]

if i had to imagine it's mostly the same

[unreal stirrup]

it doesn't apply nowaday

[compact oyster]

Its a fun voiceline

[vocal saffron]

the Auric and Havoc playerbase overlap a lot

[unreal stirrup]

considering damnation WAS the highest difficulty

and heresy was second highest

[manic wolf]

Vultures for pure ranged build, Dependancy for hybrid

[wind crane]

will my friend get my havoc rating if we complete a mission on my havoc?

[signal swallow]

I mainly play Auric

[toxic dagger]

I think all havoc players also play auric at least sometimes but I think there are a lot of auric players that don't play havoc.

[vocal saffron]

Havoc is still very under populated

[toxic dagger]

Just because of party finder

[vocal saffron]

But this is rlly just my speculation

[exotic temple]

Don’t choose just make a build for both

[compact oyster]

All havoc players play events on auric

[ancient basin]

zealot is the most default of all the classes. decent toughness regen, good melee, decent ranged, decent abilities

[vocal saffron]

I extrapolate from the old data that most probably still play Damnation and just below it now

[manic wolf]

Party finder and some of the modifiers are just down right obnoxious and take a lot of the fun out of the experience

[signal swallow]

Yea i dont wanna deal with party finder

[compact oyster]

Im going to stand on this

[unreal stirrup]

I find auric more enjoyable after difficult increase and rotten armor + stim being added to havoc lmao

[vocal saffron]

With third most being Auric

And havoc probably being the least played (by volume)

[compact oyster]

Havoc at max has a population of only 1k players across all platforms

[ancient basin]

I dont havoc because I dont want to lfg at all

[toxic dagger]

Auric qp is pretty fun now imo.

[hallow creek]

havoc's ease of use breaks its appeal

[rapid mango]

fun fact 50% of users on steam havent played uprising or higher

[vocal saffron]

someone should do another survey methinks

[neon fern]

party finder makes havoc a dogshit experience if u don't have ppl to pway

[limber cradle]

How do you know that? Achievement data?

[rapid mango]

ye

hence steam, idk console

[hallow creek]

auric is 1 button jump in

[signal swallow]

Achievement data unreliable cause a lot of people dont play games they buy lmao

[neon fern]

yeah

it's a shame cuz havoic is fun

[vocal saffron]

but yah this is to say most forum posters probs stink at the game

[leaden fable]

Crazy considering sedition doesn't even exist anymore but probably plenty of people tried diff 1 ages ago and dropped the game

[vocal saffron]

generally the case

idk why but the people who suck the most whine the most

[neon fern]

because they suck

duh

[unreal stirrup]

darktide progression is really bad tbf

[vocal saffron]

mby there's some psychology behind it but idk

i eated a book once in coleg

[unreal stirrup]

you don't get to have fun until you're maxed out

[neon fern]

if u suck ur always mad

[rapid mango]

all it says is 50% of people who own the game on steam dont play, but its still a fun fact

[signal swallow]

Because they dont want to admit they suck

[leaden fable]

One of the worst examples of the game starting as soon as you finish leveling lol

[unreal stirrup]

same problem with mh series but i get shit on for saying that

[limber cradle]

People love to bitch about their miseries with company and very rarely care to talk about their positive experiences

[signal swallow]

Nah you right

[limber cradle]

Cant remember what the like, phenomena is called

This is especially true for reviews

[compact oyster]

Deserves

[unreal stirrup]

the best part of mh is set building and having zero fucking skill feel like shit

[drowsy relic]

Negative feedback loop?

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/pay-attention-to-me-one-orange-brain-cell-kitten-cat-meow-gif-16762328332322827176

[limber cradle]

I don't think so, lemme check

[unreal stirrup]

also doesn't help that you cannot skip lr every game

[dim moth]

Monster Hunter Frontier with the red cat armor set that gives you every negative skill in the game

[neon fern]

u think i main scum now because i like it, fool, i main it cuz i can't be arsed to re-make all my year old builds on the other classes

[unreal stirrup]

going from mr from world to rise and then rise into wilds is so ass

[dim moth]

also this lmao

[compact oyster]

Cant wait for title update 4 to supercharge my guardian anjanath build

[limber cradle]

Idk why i said I'd check i don't actually want to rn

[unreal stirrup]

when will wilds get good

😔

[dim moth]

G rank expansion same as everything else

maybe the G rank areas will be good

[main trellis]

Nah; ppl make bad builds despite being able to read (tooltips are not wrong majority of the time)
But then again; reading & understanding are 2 different things

[honest shale]

The average American reads at a 3rd grade reading level. These foreigner companies are to blame!

edit /s just in case.

[compact oyster]

It already is

https://tenor.com/view/happy-happy-dog-dog-happiest-dog-super-happy-gif-17885812

[unreal stirrup]

it also doesn't help there are no where in the game that explain what the fuck cleave is so i used to think it was damaage when i was starting out

[dim moth]

also yeah wilds is good

hell of a lot more fun to play than rise was

wirebugs never come back please

[compact oyster]

I have fun with wilds

[unreal stirrup]

I enjoy sunbreak a lot

[compact oyster]

But im taking a bit of time off until gogmazios

[unreal stirrup]

I don't fw wilds even though it has some of my favorite weapon iteration

[signal swallow]

Ff14 collab kicked my ass

[compact oyster]

I got my asscheeks clapped

Ive only beaten savage twice

[exotic temple]

FS also doesn’t do a good job explaining anything. If it weren’t for YouTube and discord I’d still not know what half the abilities do

[unreal stirrup]

there is literally nothing explained in game

[signal swallow]

Chicken Tenders! Come ready to fry

[unreal stirrup]

you won't know what rending is unless you're looking it up

[dim moth]

what the fuck does rey dau's "easier to proc" latent power even MEAN

why is it so VAGUE

[honest shale]

Good. The dark Gods laugh with you, not at you.

[unreal stirrup]

I mean darktide

but whatever

[dim moth]

"moderately" longer duration on counterstrike 2?

[compact oyster]

I still wonder what capcom was talking about when talking about a secret surprise for omega

[dim moth]

HOW LONG

[lilac ermine]

Guys is this look good? If I want jittery what would I change

[unreal stirrup]

also wilds is much better at explaining skill than literally any other game in the series

[dim moth]

what do you MEAN counterstrike procs even if you block an attack that would have knocked you back?

and you don't actually have to be hit?

[compact oyster]

Latent power lmfao

[unreal stirrup]

(It doesn't)

[honest shale]

You don't need both nodes on desperado.

[fast surge]

Slightly reduced the effects of minor wind pressure on a Tuesday when mercury is in Gatorade

[limber cradle]

Do you guys thing jittery requires that one 10 percent stam on dodge perk?

[signal swallow]

Top node goated

[lilac ermine]

Is the cd mode worth it on desperado

Node

[compact oyster]

I also somehow gaslit myself that powerhouse gave a 20 and 40 raw damage buff

[honest shale]

For 5s? No

[unreal stirrup]

I mean there some shitter but it is much better

[honest shale]

@lilac ermine

[lilac ermine]

Ok I just always wanted desperado on

[signal swallow]

I had to call into work sick today cause i frew up

[exotic temple]

I’ve also never gotten much value out of the longer duration node on vm

[signal swallow]

😭

[lilac ermine]

Ill take it out then for jittery

[honest shale]

Yeah dump that 5s cd node on desperado for jittery.

[lilac ermine]

I do have dead node but I cant get rid of it

For extra tox damage

[honest shale]

If you want near perma uptime desperado then go Chemical Dependency for 4 stacks and take all the CD nodes for your stimm.

[exotic temple]

Yeah gotta pay the troll toll

[lilac ermine]

I tried the chemical dependency build but I like vulture keystone way better

[livid raven]

chemical dependency desperado so ass

[obsidian crown]

You don’t even need all of this

[dense hollow]

chem dependency is bait for desperado

[leaden fable]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-toll-troll-troll-toll-nightman-gif-21480773

[dense hollow]

you waste extra points

[obsidian crown]

Just go CDR stim. That’s enough.

[calm aurora]

lmao

[lilac ermine]

Even with like 60% toughness resistance one poxsoldier hit my toughness almost to 0

[compact oyster]

Need a bucket

[honest shale]

I like the 20% crit and dmg reduction from Chem Depend.

[livid raven]

what do you mean toughness resitance

[signal swallow]

i work at walgreens

[dense hollow]

if you're spending an extra point to get 4 stacks that's even more bait for desperado

[obsidian crown]

You get crit with vulture

[honest shale]

Maybe I don't like vulture

[livid raven]

i think you do actually

[obsidian crown]

It’s doing way too much for nothing going that route

[crude robin]

I hate joining a lobby and seeing 3 other hive scum

[dense hollow]

vulture's mark without anything is easy to keep up on auric's and havocs and it's a single point

chem dependency needs to spend extra points

the choice is simple

[lilac ermine]

Stamina node toughness resistance 20% and+10% from gang tough +20% from chem fortified + 25% from calling for time out

[honest shale]

I do have builds with a single point in Vulture. 100%

[lilac ermine]

75% toughness resistance

[honest shale]

Vulture's is the best single point keystone if you want to spend elsewhere.

[haughty slate]

Do perks effect the chem pistols chem damage?

[low harbor]

is this gud

[trim wind]

why would you take vultures and not vulture's dodge

[obsidian crown]

Just CDR stim alone in stim labs is enough to have near perma desperado uptime so going the chem route is just super wasteful of nodes. That’s my 2 cents

[haughty slate]

Chemical Dependency is a weird base node. The cooldown reduction is bad on chem crate builds.

[random shuttle]

God

Just played my Ogryn

[dense hollow]

you can and it's more worthwhile than chem dependancy but i'm saying that chem dependancy HAS to spend the 2 extra points to be worthwhile

[random shuttle]

lost 10 hp entire game

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-11954040389595096870

[calm aurora]

well yeah maybe except the game runs like ass on amd gpu and that's long standing problem, basically since 2023

[random shuttle]

Did they buff ogg when I was away?

[trim wind]

chem depedancy needs some adjustment i think

[calm aurora]

@low harbor https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/investigation-poor-performance-power-draw-issues-impacting-amd-radeon-6000-9000-series-gpus/107462/84

[trim wind]

doesnt fit into crate build, kinda just not good enough compared to the other two

[lilac ermine]

Ogryn and psyker keep being buff

[obsidian crown]

I die a little inside everytime I see a chem desperado build

[random shuttle]

Ogryn feels so impossible unstoppable

And I am speaking as a guy who didnt play for like 7-8 months and has 2000h on Ogryn

[honest shale]

My wife is 5ft and plays ogryn to feel tall.

[blazing cove]

Wait, what did they change on Ogryn? Thats my main.

[livid raven]

it runs like ass on any pc to be fair

[rich sluice]

where is the ability that makes the needle pistol chem toxin spread? I literally cant find it on the tree

[lilac ermine]

Oh nu I was going to get amd

[trim wind]

it's like when i worked installing tires and like 75% of the f350 owners were tiny women

[haughty slate]

Someone really said 40% ability cooldown is insane! Let's put it right next to the one that gives you 50% ability cooldown reduction if you're using chem weapons

[compact oyster]

They removed all DR nodes on ogryn

[honest shale]

I'm on a 100% amd rig with Bazzite Linux with zero issues.

[trim wind]

its the weapon special

[exotic temple]

See hs makes you better

[blazing cove]

Im gonna guess that's a joke, you pesky wood clone ninja

[lilac ermine]

Isnt it the second type of stim gun special attack

Oops wrong reply

[rich sluice]

aha... i see... but, didnt this use to like, spread it to other enemies?

[honest shale]

No.

I don't believe you.

[calm aurora]

well, that is probablu next step for me

[trim wind]

you're on the wrong mark

[compact oyster]

They did

[trim wind]

one of them explodes, the other spreads

[blazing cove]

I cant load in. Dont lie to me. Haha.

[compact oyster]

Im not lying bruh

[rich sluice]

aha i see. So which one is the "good one" ? I assume the one that spreads?

[blazing cove]

Oh god ive switched to believing you

[trim wind]

yea

[compact oyster]

They removed the DR nodes to make ogryn players work harder and get better at the game

[dense hollow]

ogryn got more toughness and DR made baseline without taking any talents

[honest shale]

What GPU?

[calm aurora]

9070xt

[dense hollow]

which is why they removed the talents

[calm aurora]

and 7800 x3d

[tight musk]

Use MK II pistol to spread toxin.

[blazing cove]

Oof interesting. Ive been loving Hive Scumm ive not jumped on my Ogryn.... I only just got happy with his skill tree two days ago

[rich sluice]

what even is the point of making the enemy explode? It deals like 10 damage to the others around it.. what is the gimmick supposed to be? that it staggers a bit maybe?

[honest shale]

Try, while still on windows, to hit up your radeon tools and turn on Chill with an FPS limit of 30 or 60. See if Darktide is just overpulling watts from your PSU.

[compact oyster]

Im just messing with you LOL

[blazing cove]

You!!!

[trim wind]

stagger, not really worth

[lilac ermine]

Do you think they will add aoe tox ranged weapon

[knotty cipher]

what are yall running for crate? anyone got a link

[compact oyster]

Ogryn didnt recieve any noteworthy changes

[blazing cove]

You could be double bluffing.

[pearl flame]

enhanced stopped counting no matter how I inject 🙁

[honest shale]

Like the mastery menues will pull unlimited Watts from PSUs because Fatshark doesn't know how to optimize. For AMD the only solution is FPS limitations.

[calm aurora]

well I monitor it and now it's not pulling more watts, the fps is not as high as it should be in fsr4 quality or even balance mode (my monitor is 1440p)

like bro, 70-ish fps with some lows below 50??

[honest shale]

Turn all that shit off and put it on max settings. Then tell me.

[calm aurora]

and no RT btw

[hallow creek]

paint the flame thower green
chem thrower

[unreal stirrup]

I remembered when bound by duty drop and the mastery screen doesn't put my laptop on fire for once

[hallow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[unreal stirrup]

and now it back

[honest shale]

Same

[pearl flame]

if you have AMD GPU issues, try

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/how-to-fix-amd-gpu-stutters-and-improve-clarirty-streaming-settings-config-fix/108373

[honest shale]

They can't fix things between forks.

[lilac ermine]

Maybe a grenade launcher that shoots tox grenades

[pearl flame]

resets every patch

[plain tide]

I love the cosmetics, but man it kinda sucks that the Gutter Goggles and Hood have next to no matching or thematic jacket/pants pieces

[hallow creek]

realistically it'll be something like the gas bombers, cause reused assets or mines like captains

[honest shale]

AMD issues are FPS issues because Fatshark. Try limiting your powersupply. I have mine set to 150W and the game stops doing stupid shit.

[calm aurora]

I did it, it helped honestly, not in getting higher fps but just a more stable experience

[pearl flame]

makes my 9070xt run higher fps with no stutter

[lilac ermine]

I dont like gas but couldnt they just use the tox grenade explosion

[blazing cove]

Ive not noticed any AMD problems. Guess im lucky :S on a 7600xt

[lilac ermine]

Gas I cant see highlight thru it

[pearl flame]

luck doesn't enter into it, the game is just horribly optimized for AMD

[honest shale]

My decades old Vega 64 has words.

[blazing cove]

Haha

[calm aurora]

I went from 65 fps to 72 fps, it's not a very big increase

[hallow creek]

you could but then the acutal lazy reused asset claims would go wild

[haughty slate]

Does speedloader not work with the chem pistol?

[honest shale]

it should, but it wont improve the dots.

[haughty slate]

What do you mean?

[blazing cove]

My buddy plays on an intel laptop with no dedicated gpu, ive just got him parseccing to my old 1070 laptop. Its a weird setup. Sometimes he has a stutter-attack and requires defending

[calm aurora]

what are your graphic settings?

[long lotus]

can you turn off the stim visual effect

[calm aurora]

Maybe I just went too far

[honest shale]

The dmg buff will increase the base dmg and the stagger of the bullet, but not the chem toxin.

[calm aurora]

maybe

[pearl flame]

don't remember, but almost maxed across the board, no RT ofc

[livid raven]

speedloader lil bro

[haughty slate]

Speedloader isn't a damage buff

[honest shale]

Oh that's the reloading buff Yeah should work

[lilac crystal]

im scumming im scumming

[manic wolf]

It kinda is, but a passive one. Faster reload = higher applied DPS

[novel quest]

FOR THE CONCLAVE!!!

[haughty slate]

I'm trying to be specific. Speedloader does not work on chem pistol, correct?

[pearl flame]

if it's an on-kill effect, it probably only works with the dart dmg itself

because reasons

[haughty slate]

laaaaame 🙁

[honest shale]

Not true. The alt fire chem spread will trigger on kills

[manic wolf]

On the Needlegun? Oh, I dont know tbh, they made it so it could extend Desperado, so maybe? Idk

[hallow creek]

I mean we can be tighter with our definitions

[winter galleon]

Why did moving target have to be moved to where it is, so for desperado to get vultures gotta take either that or hypercritical, which is why started running chem dependency instead since at least then get more uptime on stim and desperado.

[haughty slate]

Looks like they missed that one with the patch... It would make my build so much better

[lilac ermine]

I use sample collector

And vulture

[manic wolf]

I mean, no matter how you cut it, thats what it is 🤷‍♂️

[winter galleon]

What do you give up for it? Just go the point into vulture without dodge or uptime subnode?

[hallow creek]

If you’re under 30 just wait lol

[hallow creek]

Why you min maxing now

[lilac ermine]

The build above and replace the cd node on desperado with jittery

[manic wolf]

Yeet the CDR subnode on Vultures, its not worth the point

[round jay]

shittiest thing is still getting the stim pack stuck in your hands

[dense hollow]

if you're really desperate for jittery you can get rid of the 5s faster cooldown desperado node

[lilac ermine]

Thats what they told me to do 😄

[hallow creek]

Well jittery is bugged apparently?

[lilac ermine]

I will ❤️

[hallow creek]

You can hold off for now

[winter galleon]

Losing 20% crit with that feels bad, like a butterfly is easy to maintain even when gunning

[compact oyster]

Hive scum doesnt need CDR really

The ability cooldowns are low enough

[lilac ermine]

True but the stim cooldown I like more

[hallow creek]

No but it is the most coveted stat so gimme

[haughty slate]

the only ability that would want cdr has a better cdr option than the cdr keystone

[dense hollow]

the abilities do like cdr but cdr stim is better than chem dependancy and you can use sample collector to get cdr stims faster

[leaden fable]

Is this a jitterbug joke

[hallow creek]

Pun not intended

[lost token]

Reload speed is key in maintaining dps.

In any fps game playing around with rpg mechanics, reload speed is extremely attractive. Everything better than reload speed is like, actually replacing ammo used or automatically reloading. Hence the whole reason why desperado and/or ogryn shoot button share in that relevance.

If a speedloader ever dropped fr, revolvers would absolutely go up. Plenty avoid it because it actually has a reload that needs management before talents come into play.

[lilac ermine]

Looks like without float like a butterfly we have a 25% crit chance with 15% from vulture, 5% node, 5% aura

[lost token]

And no, not the blessing i mean an actual speedloader animation

[reef spoke]

10% base crit too but we don't know our weapon's crit sadly

[tight musk]

Imagine Darktide but without bugs and random crashes.

[haughty slate]

I know... That was irrelevant to my question which was "does speedloader work on chem pistol"... It does not.

[lilac ermine]

So 35% crit chance and float would turn it to 55%

If I want a crit every second I think 35% is enough

[winter galleon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a083b09a-d2f2-44ac-a211-369becf76c68/so-anyways

might give this a go tonight adding tax nodes to vulture tree just sucked

[lost token]

Guess i explode into confetti for missing that

[haughty slate]

Please don't. I appreciate the thought.

[reef spoke]

Yeah, it'll likely be lower with Autopistols due to all automatics inherently having a negative crit chance (usually like -3% though)

[lost token]

Mm. Nah i think this is best course of action.

See you 👋🏾

[dense hollow]

hm i don't think i take calling for a timeout

[haughty slate]

I really wish on-kill buffs worked with chem pistol

[little laurel]

In the special assignments, how do you knwo which ones you completed or not?

[lilac ermine]

Is there mod that shows crit chance

[lost token]

https://tenor.com/view/confetti-gif-8189966

[manic wolf]

Yup

[haughty slate]

Emprah bless

[split lagoon]

Have anyone tried this build? https://youtu.be/gAp-tnt6jqY

[winter galleon]

Considered dropping it but it had cery high uptime

[lilac ermine]

How much do we havee

[grand jewel]

yes

[manic wolf]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/279

[plain tide]

You should be able to rocket jump with the boom bringer

[hasty agate]

If you can watch the cutscene that follows each mission then you did the mission behind it.

[haughty slate]

none of my mods are working and I don't remember how to fix them

send help

[lilac ermine]

Ask friend to send you mod pack

[manic wolf]

Update them first

[dense hollow]

did you update the framework

[little laurel]

Which mods? did you downloaad them again?

[radiant swift]

REAL

[haughty slate]

I tried updating framework but it didn't seem to help

all my mods are updated

[little laurel]

Redownload them all

[split lagoon]

Btw, between Nimble and Untouchable, which one would you choose?

[neat merlin]

i love the new rocket launcher

[haughty slate]

that's what I did

[long lotus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d5fc2-56f8-401b-99a0-ee054340b580/100-crit-chance-poop-knife
Is this any good?

[little laurel]

@haughty slate Hop in there.
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1030392603029557308

[manic wolf]

Nimble, not even remotely close

[split lagoon]

Nice, because I don't even bother on getting untouchable and I wasn't sure If I was missing something cool

[round jay]

Playing with the bonesaw, is there any situation where applying the brittle chem is better than applying like 40 stacks of regular chem

[pearl flame]

looks pretty generic and close to what I run with bonesaw, only i swap between boom and spoiled Campbell's and no hypercritical

[hallow creek]

lol are we going the vet route and going keystone-less for min maxing

[pearl flame]

crusher packs when everyone forgot to bring a can opener and bosses

[tender forge]

Yeah applying brittle to the other 40 stacks of chem

[round jay]

Already been in that situation and just applying regular chem to kill them one by one worked just fine for me

[manic wolf]

I mean Untouchable is a cool idea, but - threat based stuff tends to fuck with your team too much to ever be worth taking unless you can do something meaningful with the aggro loss, an its not touching Vet or Zealot stealth for that aspect

[tender forge]

Ill spam a needler into a boss than spam brittleness lights on the boss

[haughty slate]

There are people gaming in there

[tender forge]

Seems to increase damage

[placid prairie]

I find untouchable is only useful entering combat

[pearl flame]

but if others are there to take advantage, they go down much faster with brittleness than kiting them around solo

[limber cradle]

I want some eyes on this, how dogshit is it/what am I missing, Vraks/Taxe

[placid prairie]

Because you lose the stacks so fast

[split lagoon]

Yeah, that's what I thought... Not a bad idea but then it isn't really worth

[little laurel]

that is me.....

[unreal stirrup]

untouchable also fuck with your ability to melee

[placid prairie]

What are you building for?

[limber cradle]

Vraks/Taxe but I might also throw DAPs on

[rotund agate]

when I tried Untouchable, I didn't feel like it did anything noticeable, probably because the enemies are already aggro'd onto me by the time I reach them while sprinting...

[lilac crystal]

the bone saw feels super mid after maxing the crowbar and shivs

[rich sluice]

guys, for a themed build, what kind of melee weapon would Hivesenberg use?

[livid raven]

i feel that dipping into sample collector makes the build dogshit

[lilac crystal]

shivs ate goated and the crowbar is hella

[limber cradle]

God dude, I love having it but it makes me feel stretched so thin.

[livid raven]

you have to sacrifice at a lot (tho i have to check with the new tree changes)

but i don't imagine anything changed for that

[manic wolf]

Tbh I've not even tried it, minus threat is just a dead node as soon as I read it 😅

[bronze glade]

crowbar is hella sad

[unreal stirrup]

you're getting +1 blitz anyway

[radiant swift]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-spongebob-plankton-true-truth-gif-5372815280279127843

[placid prairie]

Personally I like to go for pure melee so I’m gonna be biased in how I answer, but I’d ditch the ranged talents. I guess I don’t like not specializing in any one thing

[unreal stirrup]

on the class that have goated blitz

[livid raven]

more than sample collector, it's more like dipping on the right side of the tree at all

[limber cradle]

Yeah like, ime you want tox crit and tox nades with blinders

[limber cradle]

Well, considering its a build that primarily uses gun that sounds meh tbh

[livid raven]

yeah i mean

[placid prairie]

Well if you’re going into gun, why not focus on gun?

[livid raven]

it's a desperado build lol

[unreal stirrup]

vm is boring

[placid prairie]

Surprised you’re not taking sticky hands

[limber cradle]

Its for a vraks IAG

[manic wolf]

Because hybrid melee/gun setup on Scummer is crazy strong

[placid prairie]

Ah

[limber cradle]

I said that like 3 times

[placid prairie]

Fair

Sorry I just woke up lol

[radiant swift]

I never bothered to releard the names of the IAGs, which one is that again?

[rotund agate]

I honestly dunno how to use the crowbar... I just lightspam with its single-target mode against crushers as a melee build, and then when a monster spawns I die because I am trying to melee it (crowbar, at least when using the single-target anti-armour moveset mode, seems to struggle against monsters ime)

[limber cradle]

I picked up Vraks when they moved sticky to that whack ass position

[limber cradle]

Very fast shooting with crit strings

[radiant swift]

it's quite good on scum I assume

[lilac ermine]

Can I see vraks gameplay

[placid prairie]

Crowbar primary mode kinda handles like thammer, in that you want to use heavies for crowds

Take cleave nodes

[limber cradle]

I don't record personally, someone might have it tho

[bronze glade]

adren rampage. otherwise it's pretty ass.

[placid prairie]

Push attack heavy and keep alternating

[unreal stirrup]

h1 have no cleave lol

[bronze glade]

the crowbar horde clear is complete trash without adren rampage

like actually fucking pathetic

3x slower than a rashad FYI

[placid prairie]

I said push attack?

[rotund agate]

I already know that. I said I die to monsters as in bosses. I said nothing about dying to hordes...

[haughty slate]

they should have just ported the crowbar from half-life directly into Darktide

[placid prairie]

Push attack into heavy 2? Take cleave nodes?

[radiant swift]

can alternate light and heavy 2 I believe as well

[placid prairie]

I fuck up hordes with it

[unreal stirrup]

light are ass

[brittle sierra]

I understand wanting the stimm CDR

But you can offset this by making the stimm a CDR stimm to get your ability back

[placid prairie]

I was talking about it handles in general

[limber cradle]

I don't like CDR stimm as much as Top Right Rending Bottom left Reload tbh, lets me mow down crushers and armor packs ime

[placid prairie]

Don’t be afraid to dodge out of the tear

[brittle sierra]

CDR stimm is by far the best one outside of crate focus builds

[limber cradle]

Idk man, I stole that stimm from Cole for desp builds tbh

[brittle sierra]

Because scum's entire kit revolves around getting as much uptime on their abilities as possible

[unreal stirrup]

you can run 75s stim if you have blinder

[chrome storm]

CDR is for a non selfish build, but avg player only thinks of themselves and dps

[unreal stirrup]

a single one will regen 30s

if you throw it into horde

[brittle sierra]

This is not a crate build

[lilac ermine]

Why is CDR non selfish

[limber cradle]

You'd have to torture me to run a crate build

[haughty slate]

Wait... CDR stim is really bad for crate though. The stim isn't affected by itself.

[manic wolf]

More dead heretics = easier game for teammates, simple as

[unreal stirrup]

it actually really fun

[chrome storm]

Because I can effectively pass it onto my teammate
I take 50% cool down flat,and communication with team

[limber cradle]

Not my playstyle, don't like floor buffs.

[vapid jungle]

Crowbar has the best animations in the game. Flipping it around feels amazing and the golf swing...chefs kiss

[lilac ermine]

But what if im desperado

[tender forge]

But then I dont get my funny attack

[unreal stirrup]

take the node that make it last 5s but have 15 linger

[brittle sierra]

Yes it is

The crate still gives you the dependency stack

And CDR overlaps with stimm CDR

[unreal stirrup]

you don't need to stay in it

[brittle sierra]

You can drop 2, crates at the same time

If you have the CDR stimm

[chrome storm]

Brother,this isn't for you. This for every other class. Zealot,vet,ogryn,psyker, arby

[manic wolf]

If we're talking moveset, I would say OG Vet Shovel is the best in the game. Maybe not the most effective weapon, but it has eveything you could want and is super fluid to play

[limber cradle]

Yeah, I know that, I ground all the penances out, I can safely say I do not like playing with crate.

[unreal stirrup]

you can double crate and get 4 decency stack on 75s stim also

[haughty slate]

The crate does nothing by itself if your stim is on cooldown

just heals corruption

[radiant swift]

I believe that is incorrect now

pretty sure it should always be applying your stim

[brittle sierra]

No they fixed that

There is no "cooldown" for the crate to drop the stimm

[vapid jungle]

The pick mode heavys on crushers is soooo crunchy. That pull down after the initial hit hoooboy

[brittle sierra]

There are basically just 2 different cooldowns that do the same thing

[haughty slate]

then why does it still use the stim when you place it down?

[winter galleon]

feels like main difference between vultures and dependency is you lose 15% conditional range damage for 15% always on damage resistance and 30% cdr, both get 15% crit chance and the movement speed doesnt matter, vultures dodge is not really all that great if playing properly to start with

[brittle sierra]

It does use the stimm when you place it down

[vapid jungle]

Also StimShady is an excellent hivescum name im jelly

[unreal stirrup]

you mean 20% crit and 40% cdr

because 4 stack is piss easy to upkeep

[brittle sierra]

Also CDR is universally useful for both yourself and the entire team

A 3 second vet Shout is pretty funny 💀

[random shuttle]

I've seen also

SaintMethalina

[hasty agate]

Not as good as Lightning Mcfein

[random shuttle]

DannyFentom

Stimmothy

[brittle sierra]

I personally like taking stamina and CDR

Because stamina allows you to do some funny shit in high pressure situations 😈

[pearl flame]

Stimothy McVein

[random shuttle]

And CrackErbarrell

[unreal stirrup]

Fentrepreneur

[chrome storm]

Carful,that's not pure DPS....you'll confuse these people

[unreal stirrup]

attack speed IS dps

[plain tide]

I've seen a Jesus of Methlaham

[unreal stirrup]

especially on crit weapon

[chrome storm]

Yes,if you're competent enough to think...many aren't

[brittle sierra]

More stamina means you are more aggressive

More dodges and dodge distance means more aggressive

Atk speed is also universally beneficial

[chrome storm]

Sigh, please,think harder....I know....I'm making a joke

[brittle sierra]

But the main reason I think it's strong is because it allows you to block 5 bosses at the same time 💀

[chrome storm]

Personally

Attack speed + slowdown/stun immunity. And 16% attack power + 5% crit

[unreal stirrup]

kinetic deflection who

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054469893094912040/1219795235488661644/RDT_20240317_2206286612888269186543251.gif

[unreal stirrup]

stamina stim + rampage

[chrome storm]

Fire nor bullets can slow me

[unreal stirrup]

stim when rampage end

downside?

what downside

[placid prairie]

I am doing it for the penance and even then i just run rampage more often than not

[brittle sierra]

The problem with stun immunity is that for some reason it doesn't effect you getting hit when you pick someone up or doing the objective 😞😞😞😞😞

[chrome storm]

Stimm AS I ramage,so I can slide and rush gunners all happy like

[pearl flame]

crate is awright

[chrome storm]

Because that's not stun

[unreal stirrup]

I only do that on bosses

[chrome storm]

But

[placid prairie]

I like the strength crit chance and mobility speed stims

[chrome storm]

It lets you get shot and you don't lose movement

[unreal stirrup]

stun immunity doesn't save you from getting your stamina depleted when reviving

[chrome storm]

Which means

No getting shredded

[honest shale]

Having 3 +3 stam curios does.

[placid prairie]

I don’t rely on them so I don’t mind the max cooldown but fuck is it fun to pair the stim with rampage and shivs. Actual fucking blender the swing speed is so goofy

[lilac ermine]

Is revive speed perk meta

[unreal stirrup]

+9 stamina is a meme

[signal nebula]

Stimothy Chalameth

Just came up with that

[chrome storm]

Maybe I'll 3 3+ stamina,and every helpful perk on ogryn

[winter galleon]

revive speed is goated

[placid prairie]

I take +6 stamina for the swing speed

But no more

[signal nebula]

Revive speed IS goated

[unreal stirrup]

I run 1 health 1 tough 1 stam

[lilac ermine]

How many revive speeds just one is good?

[chrome storm]

All of them!

[signal nebula]

I take 3

[chrome storm]

12% is meh

[signal nebula]

Best thing in havoc honestly

[chrome storm]

36% tho

[signal nebula]

Especially playing with pugs

[tender marten]

Two or three. One is kinda pointless.

[winter galleon]

it says revive but its all so works on picking up from ledges or from trappers too

[lilac ermine]

👍

[honest shale]

Just join the Heisenbergs. Gooble gobble one of us.

[tender marten]

Yeah at some point they made this change.

[lilac ermine]

It would only be bad if ur team is por

[chrome storm]

If you're gonna take any,may as well full dive

[lilac ermine]

The best

[gritty elk]

Take 3 revive, sacrificing self survival for team utility is the mark of true skill

[signal nebula]

I think it was Unbound by Duty

[placid prairie]

Personally I named my hive scum Viper The Rapper lmao

What a guy

[pearl flame]

Y'all Cowards Don't Even Inject Stimms out of the Trash

[vapid jungle]

Revive speed is the difference between getting someone up before the boss/horde reaches you and them dying. 3x revive speed mandatory.

[signal nebula]

But yeah my picks for hive scum are revive speed, toughness, gunner DR. But that last one is because I'm a coward

[placid prairie]

TRUE

[tranquil fjord]

stacking 3 revive speeds is good but each bonus brings diminishing returns

[placid prairie]

Nah gunner dr is smart

Those fuckers shred

[tranquil fjord]

iirc

[broken bear]

Nah they should just play better

[lilac ermine]

I dont take gunner dr bc desperado

[placid prairie]

Idc how much you slide to close gaps

[unreal stirrup]

2 tough 3 cdr 2 rev 2 gunner res is what i run

[broken bear]

Ngl on desperado scum idk… like im immune to ranged so much it doesn’t matter

[signal nebula]

There is the dream and then there is reality

The thing about dreams is

They aren't real

[gritty elk]

I just take rampage with gunner resist so I can be in a meth rage while tanking bullets

[dim moth]

not on revive speed I don't think

[broken bear]

You just ain’t high enough

[limber cradle]

As much as I would love to run literally anything else revive speed has saved runs for me

[placid prairie]

That’s the one situation I’d agree

[gritty elk]

https://tenor.com/view/thug-get-you-i-will-kill-you-bitch-get-you-bitch-gif-11618329

[unreal stirrup]

im sure rev speed is additive

[dim moth]

scum is also REALLY good at reviving so

[signal nebula]

Brother I am high right now

[tranquil fjord]

iirc, revive talents give base additive bonuses but curio gives multiplicative

[broken bear]

Like I’m contemplating taking it off my curios for gunner dmg that is

[hasty agate]

No pain, No party!

[lilac ermine]

Maybe ill get burster resist instead of gun

[broken bear]

Like I’m still a 3x toughness curios steadfast idk why ppl switched to add a stamina

[dim moth]

https://imgur.com/a/V5q91tG

[chrome storm]

What you smoking? I'm bought to hit up Dante's inferno

[vapid jungle]

This. The stamina delay/speed makes blocking hordes while rezzing a little easier. You also get to people faster generally.

[placid prairie]

I will say auric is interesting because I don’t see nearly as many hive scum

I remember the arbites 4 stacks for weeks

[winter tusk]

I was regening stamina pulling a revive, while being hit by multiple poxwalkers

Shits op

[placid prairie]

Nah even week one I’ve seen regular classes

[pearl flame]

I get 4 stack scum all the time in auric

[vapid jungle]

I see vast majority hivescum in auric

[chrome storm]

It's been a few days, and people are realizing it's not a brain dead class, and that's too hard

[winter tusk]

Stays relevant

[chrome storm]

Every scum I watch drops like a fucking fly

[placid prairie]

True

[pearl flame]

4 stack scum is fantastic when everyone knows how to play, not so indeed when 2 or more don't

[gritty elk]

Unused stims on map left to rot and be forgotten to time

[chrome storm]

IMO
Scum is a party ENHANCER, got three good teammates? Scum will make it better

[placid prairie]

I generally know how to play, sometimes I just get overwhelmed even while being aware of surroundings

I do wish more hive scum melee truthers were out there tho

[hasty agate]

I did havoc 40 with 2 different scums that were never downed even once.

[vapid jungle]

Honestly hive scum is my favorite because of the melee dodge on slide. One of my shortcomings on other classes fixed with one point!

[pearl flame]

everyone can get caught napping with their pants down, that's just the game

[gritty elk]

Audhd life experience

[dim moth]

scum can also pick up a LOT of slack damage wise

[chrome storm]

Wdym? Crowbar CAN 1 shot a crusher

[placid prairie]

REAL

[limber cradle]

I love Scum Melee but I'm using infinite ammo before it gets gutted tbh

I know there's zero feasible way this shit stays like this forever

[signal nebula]

Cookie Dawg ATM but got some Strawberries and Cream in the post today

[placid prairie]

I see more desperado users than melee

[chrome storm]

Brother,that's havoc 40, you can't compare it

[dim moth]

yeah gun scum is much easier to play than melee/support scum

[placid prairie]

Desperado is fun, but idk

[limber cradle]

Infinite ammo go brrrt

[dim moth]

indeed

[chrome storm]

Lucky, strawberry and cream id dope. I've got some cryo kush as well and grandaddy purple

[placid prairie]

It feels more satisfying dancing around attacks and dodging

[hasty agate]

I mean, that’s where I’d expect to see them on the floor the most lol

[pearl flame]

desperado is not for me, melee or meth dealer

[chrome storm]

Because it's easier than melee

[full birch]

I played pretty much nothing but Zealot until Hive Scum. I wanna shoot things now lol

[placid prairie]

Yes

[gritty elk]

Auto pistols desperado with ultra reload is just saturate the map to death

[limber cradle]

I like desp, I like rampage, but ik there's no way pickpocket/desp stays like it is and I wanna use it while it lasts

[chrome storm]

I wouldn't,they wouldn't be there if they couldn't have climbed it themselves

[placid prairie]

Im coming from knife zealot, and this does feel like knife zealot if it doubled down on being knife zealot lmao

I love

[winter tusk]

Braindead shooting is always going to pull more general interest over braincells required melee

[chrome storm]

Crowbar my beloved

One shot crushers

Maulers

[signal nebula]

Boss 😎 420 gamers 4 life amiriiiite

[placid prairie]

I live by the shivs but I do enjoy crowbars

[chrome storm]

Plasma gunners

[unreal stirrup]

the new class is literally another unkillable god

[unreal stirrup]

same bestie

[signal nebula]

Crowbar feels really out of place on this class to me. Wish I could run it on Zealot though

[placid prairie]

I haven’t had crowbar one tap crushers even with can opener and the baked in thrust, but i also haven’t had stim active as I do

[final temple]

Once you realize how scum defends itself it becomes quite survivable.

[placid prairie]

Yeah

Just dodge

[chrome storm]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lG2iRwCqDOpyZkYp_?invite=cr-MSxaZW0sNDY1MzcwOTI2&v=9

True crowbar

[mellow carbon]

It makes the bolt pistol genuinely hilarious in Mortis Trials

[gritty elk]

I mean, when the ability is on CD, that’s the downside and nerf, and ngl, bullet guns feel super ammo inefficient on other classes and don’t see much use due to ammo economy, I kind of like a class having ammo efficiency that’s similar to vet shock trooper

[unreal stirrup]

anything is ridiculous in mortis

[placid prairie]

I will say crowbar is also satisfying to me because there really is something to applying a blunt metal stick into someone’s jaw

Like outside genuinely handling well

[dim moth]

I actually have yet to try true melee scum build I've just been playing dedicated toxin build with 100% crit chance xd

[vapid jungle]

I hope they adda crowbar mark with a push attack that uses the long pointy end. That feels like a missed opportunity.

[chrome storm]

Sigh ....I won't even argue,can't with you and that type of reaction "ohhhh but Gundam boi it was t havoc 40 with 30 crushers so it's invalid"

[mellow carbon]

True. I just like having a big crowd to fight when I fire through like 6 people.

[gritty elk]

Similar to mk1 shovel push attack but with the impale mechanic

[chrome storm]

Must remember the community here is as simple minded as any other gaming community

[gritty elk]

Push attack with absurd finesse curve my beloved

[river meteor]

I have been trying to get stacks of vultures mark but when I get a range kill on a special get nothing. I have gone to the point of deleting all my presets and made a new one and I still can't get it to work. It keeps giving me stacks of frenzy. Any idea what's up or am I just doing somthing wrong?

[pearl flame]

they probably broke something, I can't get the toughness regain on stim penance to budge no matter what I load, mainline or crate huff

[unreal stirrup]

you need to run the toughness path

[tranquil fjord]

are you testing in the psychanium? talent swapping has been finnicky this patch

[gritty elk]

Save ur build, game is iffy when it comes to saving a preset, I usually swap between two pages and reallocate one point to save it

[unreal stirrup]

and it coherency regen so good fucking luck lol

it gonna take a while

[chrome storm]

Need the next character to be harder then scum to play

[river meteor]

Been doing it in matches

[dim moth]

the instant toughness gain doesn't count it has to be the regeneration

[opaque oriole]

what is the cooldown regeneration that you can add to the stim a cooldown for?

[dim moth]

your active ability

[unreal stirrup]

ability cdr

[tranquil fjord]

talent swapping has still been fickle anyhow

[mellow carbon]

That would be funny. Make it a mechanicus class, but make it hard to play

[gritty elk]

Take the 25% + 25% toughness from cartel stim, skip the 50% from chemical dependency

[opaque oriole]

thought so, I got confused cause usually it will say "ability cooldown regeneration* or some shit

[chrome storm]

I want a "git gud" class,no baby shit,no grace period. High dmg,high utility but squishy like cardboard

[tranquil fjord]

the easiest fix is saving the talent set as a loadout, clicking onto the talent tree off and on, and then seeing if your talents are saved

[vapid jungle]

He gets it!

[sturdy linden]

so how many weeks do y'all think we get to eat good until FS wakes up and decides to nerf pickpocket and other nodes?

[river meteor]

I deleted all the presets then made a new build so it should be swapping anything.

[final temple]

ability CDR. quite interesting if you run desperado or rampage and sample collector. useless when you run stimm supply

[bronze glade]

Prob a few months

[chrome storm]

Teammates!! Very useful for their people with actively recharging abilities

[bronze glade]

At the very least

[sturdy linden]

oh right we have mandated christmas break right

[pearl flame]

a week, then they'll leave tons of stuff broken until mid january

[unreal stirrup]

chem nade is getting nerfed

[chrome storm]

Of course,I always advocate to be team support so

[tranquil fjord]

loading the talent set should save changes, so clicking between tabs

[bronze glade]

If they ever even nerf it

[sturdy linden]

they won't come back before Jan

[unreal stirrup]

same for boom bringer

[livid raven]

teammates are actually only your rivals in the scoreboard

[opaque oriole]

good for my "definitely liscenced" doctor build

[tranquil fjord]

this has worked for me

[unreal stirrup]

what rivals?

[chrome storm]

Maybe to you, but I will fight GOD himself to save a teammate

[livid raven]

i will save them so they can rack up more damage and make me look better

[unreal stirrup]

I simply know i am better

[chrome storm]

Doctor School?! What's that?!

Blank stare through plague mask

[final temple]

don’t let your boss hear you save other cartel members.

[gritty elk]

Either ogyrn super bomb gets buffed or rocket launcher gets nerfed, vet krak with grenade regen exists with no nerfs or downsides

[opaque oriole]

Desperado with "run 'n gun" blessing for dual smgs is my favorite so far

[sturdy linden]

yeah my thought is they'll hit:

1. Pickpocket (likely some internal cooldown)
2. Chem grenade (either damage nerf or quantity nerf)
3. Jittery (not by much but a little)
4. Sample Collector
5. Desperado duration

[unreal stirrup]

krak doesn't have massive fucking aoe

[limber cradle]

Fwiw they have inbuilt RnG

[chrome storm]

Wrong,now he owes me a favor. I can use that mhm mhm

[livid raven]

daily reminder to not use run and gun on dual smg

[mellow carbon]

Yeah that's the way to do it. 6 crushers and no backup? Time to throw everything and the kitchen sink.

[placid prairie]

I don’t really care for the damage over time with chems. I get they’re nice, I certainly can’t deny that, but there’s a simple dopamine hit in just mulching through hordes up close and personal

[unreal stirrup]

I think sample is fine but with blackout it is kinda op

[chrome storm]

Daily reminder to annoy your cat

With evidence

I wanna see fluffy kibbys

[sturdy linden]

Sample + low visc stimm = 70-80%+ ability uptime. Fatfish HATES that

[final temple]

I doubt they will hit any of this without ramping up defensive bonuses.

[sturdy linden]

defenses are fine

unironically

[final temple]

ya

[gritty elk]

Man

[sturdy linden]

especially with the talent reshuffle

[unreal stirrup]

I just run 100% because a single blackout get you like 30s on a sparse poxwalker pack

[chrome storm]

Class has plenty of tougness regen

[final temple]

my point is that nerfing damage would make the whole proactive playstyle rather tedious for what you get

[unreal stirrup]

and blackout is infinite

[chrome storm]

You just can't take multiple hits in a row

[placid prairie]

I feel I should use blinders more but like

[haughty slate]

Sorry, I got busy fixing mods. This is just not true. Your crate still does not apply stim effects if you don't have your stim up at the same time.

[placid prairie]

Rocket launcher

[chrome storm]

Blinders are multi purpose

[gritty elk]

Reading this chat, it’s literally 1% of gamer skill killing a class for the 99% average playerbase

[chrome storm]

Team utility

[sturdy linden]

the damage is way too extreme lol. If a mediocre ass player like me can curbstomp mobs, high level players would be absolutely shitting on the game.

[placid prairie]

The aura is immaculate

[limber cradle]

Tbh with the tree changes it almost feels like a dumb amount of toughness gen for a "glass cannon"

[opaque oriole]

if you don't add anything to the stimms, run stimm supply and pick up med stim, will the supply just act like a normal healing pack?

[flat mist]

Nerfing the extreme outliers like chemnade won't make anything tedious

[placid prairie]

The glass part comes from barely any damage resistance

[sturdy linden]

the talent reshuffle made Scum's toughness on par with Psyker ngl

[tender marten]

Jittery will probably get buffed tbh. FatShark usually balances around the casuals and casuals think Jittery is dumb and stupid.

...... Gee I wonder why they find the class so hard to play.

[brittle sierra]

They just changed it yesterday

[chrome storm]

Well,no changes happened besides movement of upgrades. They just fixed the tougness bugs

[sturdy linden]

Fatshark decidedly does not balance around casuals though.

[unreal stirrup]

they didn't fix any toughness bug

they fixed hyper crit not proccing on hit effect

[final comet]

moderately annoyed jittery is outside my straight down the middle path through the center of the tree

[tender marten]

Four consecutive Scriers Gaze buffs.

[gritty elk]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-true-truth-nuke-mr-boss-gif-9636875870681785224

[final comet]

after tree tweak

[chrome storm]

Do I need to pull up a video? Or do you just wanna look dumb

[haughty slate]

No, they did not. You can try it right now.

[final temple]

I wasn’t thinking about these, rather the synergistic nodes we are stacking. chem nade surely might get toned down in amount of stacks applied.

[sturdy linden]

you're talking about if you've already used the stimm personally and THEN use crate?

[chrome storm]

Because I'll get the patch notes

All go then

[sturdy linden]

because that's intended

[haughty slate]

No where in the patch notes does it say "using stim crate without stim now applies your stim effects"

[unreal stirrup]

why are you so fucking aggressive for no reason lmao

[chrome storm]

Of them*

[dim moth]

which was related to a toughness bug

[unreal stirrup]

yeah but this is more accurate