hivescum-class

[summer jewel]

ive just kinda accepted nothing is ever going to top the sense of wonder i had playing morrowind

[compact oyster]

After starfield i have 0 confidence

[viscid ocean]

Does your stim need to be off CD to get the buffs from it?

[lapis raft]

always worked fine for me at least from what i've tested

well in mortis trials the multi use completely bricks the cooldown

but other than that its fiine xd

[haughty slate]

Makes sense. Wish the stimm lab didn't have two bad branches. Really hurting my build choice.

[compact oyster]

Levitation banned because bethesda couldnt design proper dungeons

[summer jewel]

im also taking AllInAll crashing out and deleting all his Elder Scrolls content as an ill-portent

[drowsy relic]

Yes

[calm aurora]

there's a game called wayward something, made by people for the elder scrolls

[compact oyster]

The game that dropped unreal engine?

[viscid ocean]

Huh, I have just been spamming crate whenever assuming you got buffs regardless

[calm aurora]

YES

[hazy vector]

is it my skissue or maelstroms suddenly got harder

[turbid fulcrum]

I hope FS fixes the crate before going into hibernation for this year. Oh and also make needler work with the Vulture's keystone pls.

[compact oyster]

Needler would be busted if it worked with ranged talents

[calm aurora]

average lvl going down?

[livid raven]

What do you mean fix

[turbid fulcrum]

It still gets stuck in your hand. I had this happen 2 times yesterday after the hotfix

[summer jewel]

oh shit keeping my eye on this

[turbid fulcrum]

They made it work with Despacio already

[drowsy relic]

"Look at my crate rager"

[compact oyster]

Shoot shotgunner horde

[acoustic viper]

Despacito?

[compact oyster]

Be invincible for the next 10 seconds

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/despacio-despacito-luisfonsi-gif-8379347

[hazy vector]

Have not seen this

[fast gust]

Isn't that a scam

[turbid fulcrum]

Dame tu cosita, you know what I mean

[hazy vector]

Look at my crate
My crate is amazing
Giving a lick
It tastes like raisins

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-ego-gif-9709800945809453150

[summer jewel]

im not quite old enough to be a daggerfossil so a bit before my time but i did enjoy the bit i played

[grave venture]

Wait no thats not the one

[calm aurora]

''Under the direction of Ted Peterson & Julian LeFay — lead developers of the team behind the Elder Scrolls Arena and Daggerfall—Once Lost Games is creating a new open-world fantasy RPG where choice, consequence, scope and role-playing will be experienced like never before in a realistically-scaled open world in a new class of game: The Grand RPG.

The Wayward Realms is set on a group of over one hundred, realistically scaled, islands, known collectively as the Archipelago, where scores of factions vie for influence and power. Kingdoms strive to maintain their dominance, upstarts seek to earn a place at the top, and dynasties set generational plots into motion. Should the player earn a position of prominence, they may change the course of history. However, they must first prove their worth battling rivals, mercenaries, monsters, spirits, and demons. On their quest for fame and fortune, players will venture through strange lands, delve into foreboding dungeons, and traverse kingdoms full of humans, elves, orks, dwarves and a few other unusual races.''

[compact oyster]

Aunt status

[turbid fulcrum]

It reeaaally sucks when it happens since it lasts 5 sec or so.

[flat mist]

@novel oracle you dont have to get the KB with shiv to get back daggers, just hit it within a short window of it dying (seems like a second or so)

[summer jewel]

tbh i had no business playing morrowind as a kid either cause it was also before my time but my dad was an old schooler gamer so he put me onto it LOL

[fallen coyote]

Thats literally how most of us got into gaming lmao

I had the same happen but with the og rayman games

[final temple]

can confirm. The magic of morrowind sealed the deal.

[fast gust]

I played Lineage II and Half-life on the lap of my father, that's how I got into gaming lmao

[compact oyster]

Welcome back monter hunter vial farming

[grave venture]

monter hunter

[acoustic viper]

My dad was a video game tyrant. To earn video game time, I had to beat him in table soccer. Each match I won earned me 15 minutes. As soon as I lost, I got none at all

[fallen coyote]

Never left

[lethal quartz]

did you have Dina on repeat

[compact oyster]

My very first videogame was ratchet and clank 1 i believe

[lethal quartz]

cuz my older cousin had that town's soundtrack on fucking repeat in lineage

[calm aurora]

I was 21 when Lineage 2 launched...

[obtuse forge]

I have some faint memories of playing GTA San Andreas and StarCraft II when I was like five or six.

[fast gust]

Yep Dina on repeat

[summer jewel]

same! bro rly wanted to see what i thought of opposing force cause it was his favourite game

[lethal quartz]

then my cousin introduced me to survival horror by putting fucking Eternal Darkness on our plasma tv

as a naive lil 6th grader

[summer jewel]

omg ive been watching vinesauce play through that and it seems like itd def mess with a kid 😭

[random shuttle]

My Dad infected all of us with gaming because since I was born he was gaming

Settlers 1

[tight musk]

I played Blood, Duke Nukem 3D, Doom and Postal 2 when I was a little kid.

[calm aurora]

UNC

[random shuttle]

Galaga, Superfrog, Cannon Fodder and North vs South when I was a little kid.

[acoustic viper]

Ironically the first game I played was with my dad when I was like 5. It was a demo of polar bowler that came with our first windows pc. We got in trouble with mom because she found us playing at like 1 am

[random shuttle]

Gaming is in my blood

I even have a little blog dedicated to reviewing indie games

https://www.tiny-gaming.net/

[unique dagger]

He’s not lying I did his bloodwork before

[summer jewel]

HoMM was my jam as a kid that i completely forgot about until i came across a sseth video reviewing 4

[near vapor]

idiotas

[summer jewel]

unlocked those memories rq

[haughty slate]

I really do not like chemical dependency for stim crate... The main point of the node is the ability cooldown but I can get the same effect by taking practiced deployment with sample collector

[calm aurora]

chem dep is for crit rate and dr

[spark gyro]

Okay, desperado is growing on me a bit

[spiral horizon]

it should be seeing as it's the best option

[spark gyro]

But it feels like when I played exec stance: more useful as a complement to my melee, than a replacement

[haughty slate]

yeah, so the main node sucks... which is the problem

[spark gyro]

Even with the bunch of ranged talents, it feels like I want to do a standard hybrid build that's just leaning a bit more towards ranged

[haughty slate]

the main keystone should not be a dead node

[main wagon]

I sat on the side of a wide desk and turned 45 degrees to give callouts lmao

Eventually he was like "small child, it's time for you to play shadow warrior"

I'm still living that memory with the dual autopistols lmao

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-blasting-gif-26810421

[main wagon]

Reverse gunlugger

[hazy vector]

1 melee kill 💀

[near vapor]

reverse dwarf

DESERVED

[hazy vector]

what

[flat mist]

where yoou have to aim the rpg with and without lethal prox to kill the circled poxwalker

[echo python]

I'd imagine the same bug making burster explosions bigger is probably making all of our grenade explosions bigger

[final temple]

the new boomstick is basically ‘fuck you and everything in your general direction’. but afaik it gets buffed by lethal proximity. Might be an unwanted interaction.

[hazy vector]

why would it not get buffed by lethla proximity

[echo python]

That's been happening since we got lethal prox, it's also making vet's grenades better

If it's unwanted, FS are exceptionally lazy at fixing it

[echo python]

Well, it doesn't make that much sense why holding a bolt pistol would make your handheld grenades more explodey

[frigid adder]

Ok how ya doin crack heads?

[final temple]

Not gonna argue against sth so hilariously powerful like this interaction.

[hazy vector]

None of the blessings make any sense

that's the whole point of lethal prox

that ti buffs your grenades

why would you assume it does not do that on purpose

it is literally in the description

[flat mist]

another angle same poxie

[final temple]

not sure that is implying any and all explosions. But I agree, it’s FS as usual.

[echo python]

Because it's a weapon blessing on the weapon that fires explosives? Because the other thing it does is remove the priming distance on said explosives? Why would I then assume "Oh yeah, this'll increase the radius of my krak grenades for sure!"

[flat mist]

i seriously doubt its intended

[spark gyro]

It's implied it's the explosion of the bolt pistol because it kind of is what the weapon does

Would be a bit different if it was on idfk a brauto

[hazy vector]

bruh

no comment

[echo python]

And oh yes, the blessing is also not active unless you're actively holding the bolt pistol.

[flat mist]

my bad i misread you

[hazy vector]

What else would it imply? If it is only relevant for the point blank explosion, why would it mention that at all

[hazy vector]

no, you did not

It is obviously intended

[flat mist]

they removed all other blessing interactions with weapons

[echo python]

I just wrote that. The obvious implication is that it increases the explosion radius of the weapon that fires explosive ammunition. Which is what the bolters and bolt pistols do.

[flat mist]

and you cant read anything into their descriptions lol

[echo python]

It's not relevant for JUST the point-blank explosion, why would you think that

[final temple]

The weapon already deals an explosive damage profile. This can be understood as just increasing these inherent explosions.

[echo python]

But it allows you to make point-blank explosions where normally the weapon wouldn't, due to the arming distance.

[rose flax]

Does regained posture work? And does it also work with stripped down?

[tired prairie]

I mean, did they? 💀

Like the super broken ones, like Hand Cannon, Bromentum or Manstopper - sure, but Lethal Prox is a global buff to explosion radius, which happen at whenever your gun is out

[young herald]

For the record, the point of the blessing is to increase the size of the bolt round explosion. I'm pretty sure it effecting all explosions is a bug fatshark decided they liked enough to elevate into a feature

[hazy vector]

nah

i am confident it is intended

[random shuttle]

Mmmm event+Foundryplex

gunhappy guy shots an explodie poxwalker

3 of us dies tossed off the gantries

Delightful

[amber sapphire]

tbh, it's extremely hard to tell them from regular ones, it's very obvious on bigger enemies

during a horde

[random shuttle]

Just dont shoot into a crowd obviously melee-handled by teammates smh

[young herald]

So bolt rounds explode without lethal proximity, you know that right? What lethal proximity does is remove the minimum distance the bullets have to travel before they explode, and then also increases the size of explosions

[amber sapphire]

sorry boss, hadron fused my hands to w+m1

[toxic dagger]

I am not convinced fatshark has made a conscious decision regarding lethal proximity at all

[flat mist]

bruh this is nuts

[young herald]

I'm as confident as I can be that LP as originally devised was intended to just let people use the bistol as a close range cc tool, and the way they did it had an accidental effect of increasing all explosion radii, not just the bistol's

And when players figured it out, they went some combination of "this is hard to fix it, fuck it" and "we kinda like this" and just let it ride

[young herald]

At minimum, they've decided fixing it is lower priority than amount of effort required

That's good enough

[foggy phoenix]

When are you going to activate windows? 👀

[flat mist]

the day after they stop supporting 10

[young herald]

Yeah, the lawnchair is pretty good now. I still don't like it cuz of the charge time, but it's quite effective

[echo python]

Maybe they need to do a meeting on how they're going to decide on whether or not to fix it

[obsidian cipher]

Did anyone reported the "dodged into a wall and fly upwards issue"? holy annoying wtf

[woeful hill]

Probably hit terrain that gave you airtime

Is easy with classes that get buffed dodges

Vet zel scum

[amber sapphire]

People like bigger boom, we fix?

Maybe later.

Ok, let's discuss next year

[wind crane]

rip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4ztJNnQm-E

[wind crane]

id like to see him talk about the needle ppistol tho

[novel oracle]

the average damage in question:

[wind crane]

thats what ive been using

[calm aurora]

it's a blessing, it does not have to be logical or realist

[calm aurora]

Maybe he should stop deleting his community posts first

[wind crane]

ah, what has he deleted?

[calm aurora]

stoking outrage and then not owning anything, like mate?

[frigid adder]

Does anyone know a mod to show your current crit chance?

[calm aurora]

and btw, why do we care if the HS is undertuned rn? Ogryn has been undertuned for 2 years before getting the biggest glow up ever

the game is in a state of flux

what's relevant today will not be tomorrow

[calm aurora]

show crit chance

[frigid adder]

ah that one still works?

[calm aurora]

yes, I use it

[frigid adder]

aight thaaanks

[gray sail]

people actually like if the things they use are good

[calm aurora]

part of the fun is also finding what's good and what works

[compact oyster]

chem toxin is the strongest DOT in the game right now

[gray sail]

so they'd like if theres more things to find that are worth using

[calm aurora]

FS being unable to properly explain mechanics, blessings and still giving players the worst ui ever is another problem

[novel oracle]

in that game above the only person who was close to competing with my ranged scum for damage was the crate scum using needlepistol and the crate explosion, and 5/6ths of his damage was just toxin

[gray sail]

true but what does that have to do with hive scum having questionable power levels

[novel oracle]

he stole the show in terms of boss damage and he didnt even have to try

[frigid adder]

I do like seeing adot class once in a while

[novel oracle]

bosses werent a problem in that game

nor was armor cuz he just wrecked both
and i wrecked everything else

[compact oyster]

most of hive scum's issues stemmed from the fact that it was a very backloaded? class

meaning leveling was rough

[novel oracle]

he definitely has issues but damn he can really fucking shine when used right

[wind crane]

what difficulty was the mission?

[novel oracle]

havoc 40

[wind crane]

nice

[compact oyster]

im going to use you.

[drowsy relic]

?

[frigid adder]

god here im still unconfident about moving out of damnation 😂

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-silly-cat-silly-ahh-silly-ahh-cat-goofy-gif-15009262023119441493

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-allan-oneyplays-scolding-mr-boss-gif-8140931244869057751

[tulip magnet]

"I don't like guns" - Desperado Scum

weird interaction

[wind crane]

but i guess its difficult to argue with the stuff in the video?

[tight rock]

@novel oracle which ranged weapon do you use with desperado

[novel oracle]

dual autos

[tight rock]

mmk

[frigid adder]

Any recomendations on this marks or otherwise? Current sit around 57% crit chance in fight with my build

[lapis raft]

i think showcasing melee scum damage without using needler for boost makes no sense when theres almost no reason not to use it

[dense hollow]

remove crit damage and put on carapace damage

[lapis raft]

its one of your biggest class exclusive tools as well

[wind crane]

yea im waiting for needler video

[novel oracle]

i dont think either crit perk is worth it over an armor type

on like every weapon except laspistol and recon

[toxic dagger]

feels like the chem DOT could stand to do less unyielding dmg since it's so easy to put bosses at 30 stacks immediately

with the needle pistol

[shadow umbra]

Flak + Maniac
Idk why crit damage

[compact oyster]

people who dont use the needle pistol on melee scum are weird

[lapis raft]

i think thats kind of a point its supposed to be strong for bosses

[toxic dagger]

feels like a weird weapon to do that much boss dmg lol

[flat mist]

@novel oracle did you see this?

[novel oracle]

i didnt watch it cuz i really dont care but someone who did pointed out that the mixed horde time was kinda not done well because the chem grenade was thrown then he fought all of the enemies outside of it

[wind crane]

and just from my pov, every ganger/hiver/hive scum/hs (idk what the consensus name is) basically carries the mission

but im at damnation difficulty so what do i know

[lapis raft]

as you have rly good tools for everything else

[frigid adder]

I was testing if it did more damage due to criting more often

[toxic dagger]

tiny assassin's weapon is good for killing gigantic daemons? why

[novel oracle]

i didnt but i dont recall having that happen to me at all

[flat mist]

works in the psykh

[dense hollow]

flak is kinda unnecessary on tac axe since you already have a very high adm against flak imo

[lapis raft]

poison is pretty good generally at killing anything :d

this applies well everywhere

[shadow umbra]

What would you replace it with

Unyielding?

[toxic dagger]

I don't think you will ever find a single example of someone killing a big daemon very effectively with a needle pistol.

[wind crane]

true

[lapis raft]

even though you can say that poison effectiveness should be diminished by size of enemy body

[novel oracle]

i dont like maniac on mostmelee weapons cuz thats just specialists and dreg ragers only

[lapis raft]

at minimum

[novel oracle]

and how often are you meleeing those guys

[lapis raft]

but yea idk

[novel oracle]

vs crushers and maulers and bosses and bulwarks

[shadow umbra]

Meet the zealot + ogryn + arbites:

[toxic dagger]

the carapace performance is lore-compliant, and the way it works against bulwarks and reapers is also fine. this is just another example of it being a balancing problem that bosses and lesser ogryn enemies share the same armor type

[lapis raft]

well if we are going for realism its probs pretty hard to find someone doing that with random knife too :d

[novel oracle]

or more specifically
how often do you need more melee damage against dreg ragers and a couple specialists
vs crushers and maulers and bosses and bulwarks

[unique dagger]

New meta dictates you putting carapace on basically everything

[novel oracle]

thats why i do cara + unyielding

[unique dagger]

Melee wise

[toxic dagger]

knife doesnt do amazing boss dps though

it's relative to the other options, right?

[shadow umbra]

carapace on a lasgun 🔥

[toxic dagger]

you can kill everything with everything in this game but it takes faster or longer

[dense hollow]

unyielding/crit hit chance honestly, unyielding will give you better dmg against bosses and bulwarks which is better to me since tac axe is already basically one shotting all the flak enemies in my experience, on havoc 40 maybe flak will enable breakpoints for tac axe but unyielding is just better

[novel oracle]

cuz with our current power i dont feel like im lacking in maniac + flak + unarmored melee damage

[unique dagger]

Helbore actually fucks without rotten armor lol

[toxic dagger]

big twohanded hammer does the most boss dmg per hit, that feels like it makes sense.

[lapis raft]

with uncanny? it does

[toxic dagger]

but the needle pistol just feels like it makes no sense.

[lapis raft]

but also in general shivs have rly good dps

[toxic dagger]

bleed isn't as strong as chem, even with rending

[unique dagger]

Bleed kinda got powercrept unfortonately

[dense hollow]

bleed's best dps can't compete with an unbuffed tox dot

[novel oracle]

should i go terrorize auric with my autopistol build

[unique dagger]

There used to be a time where I advocated for lacerate uncanny

Because enemies didnt have enough hp to survive bleed stacking

[compact oyster]

i advocate for maniac on the needle pistol

[lapis raft]

yea i was benchmarking my dps with uncanny flesh tearer and its only like 15% of my damage

and chem like 80%

xd

[toxic dagger]

exactly

[wind crane]

btw unrelated, is there a way to practice on bosses in vanilla? like the meat grinder

[unique dagger]

Especially with shivs now, I don’t bother with even flesh tearer

[toxic dagger]

I think toxin is a cool DOT against humansized enemies and it feels badass to hit someone with a needle and they drop 1 second later

[unique dagger]

Go riposte and one shot em with huper critical

[toxic dagger]

but the boss dps of 30 stacks of toxin is just a bit much lol

[flat mist]

@novel oracle https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/ymenOE

[unique dagger]

Infinite ammo with needle gun + rampage build is nuts btw

[compact oyster]

needle gun is nuts*

[lapis raft]

they could drop the stacks to 16 like bleed maybe but im also biased and i prefer mostly dot builds in every other game too

[unique dagger]

Needle gun is good but doesn’t feel amazing for pure ranged for me

[novel oracle]

lmao

[lapis raft]

and seeing that most of my damage is dot instead of hit brings me a lot of joy :d

[trim wind]

*nuts

[frigid adder]

I kinda wish scum got a retexture flammer that was just a chem gun 😂 itd be so lazy though

[unique dagger]

Struggles with reload speed because drum roll please close range reload talent doesn’t work with it

[compact oyster]

dont use needle pistol for pure ranged

[lapis raft]

they could simply nerf needler and buff thenode on tree

to 2 stacks

and would be fine also probably

[tulip falcon]

hey, does anyonne have a build using duo autopistols and the toxic grenade ? i don't really know what to do ( using desperados too )

[lapis raft]

but idk i dont think its like something thats super problematic

[radiant cosmos]

The poison doesn't scale with like 75% of the ranged talents.

[unique dagger]

Close range reload speed blessing ALSO DOESNT WORK

[compact oyster]

i think coated weaponry used to be weakspot hit

[unique dagger]

toughness on elite kill also doesnt work (blessing)

[compact oyster]

if gloryhunter worked on needle pistol DOT

[lapis raft]

run n gun works for damage fo needler toxin at least :d

[compact oyster]

i would be invincible

[lapis raft]

weakspot hit would be much better ngl

and nerfed needler on top i would like that

[unique dagger]

Hey, it got the blessing so it should work

Fatshark pls fix

[compact oyster]

no lmao

shivs would melt hordes quite literally

youd nuke bosses with DOT

[lapis raft]

well stronger i mean

with nerfed other sources

[toxic dagger]

this is how someone tests scum mixed horde?

by backpedalling?

[main wagon]

Getting invited to strike teams on the mourningstar by lowbies DO I LOOK LIKE I KNOW WHAT IM DOING

[compact oyster]

i think its fine currently

[lapis raft]

yea i mean its not overpowered or anything atm imo just tad one dimensional

now if they make blackout work for dots from other weapons not just single out needler for some reason then thatwould be nice as well

[fallen coyote]

Never watched tanner, but is this really how he set up his ui?

[calm aurora]

@toxic dagger

[woeful trellis]

with all reasonable buffs up, max stack chem tox is only 3k dps into carapace/unyielding so it's not like it's instant deleting armor/bosses, it's just safe, ranged and infinite (thanks to pickpocket) which is less dangerous cuz you can kite them forever

[calm aurora]

Yeah, backpedalling

[fallen coyote]

Why have icons twice their size and in the middle of the screen like its a mobile game

[calm aurora]

I do use a similar setup

[lapis raft]

its infinite even for melee if you have the tree node as every new instance refreshes old ones

but like thats just how dots are

[calm aurora]

except I dont use portrait and bars to make sure everyone whatching my video sees I'm h40

[woeful trellis]

yeah melee is a bit less safe cuz you have to be close instead of sprint sliding away but by the time you've applied 30 stacks to something with your melee weapon it should also already be dead from the melee

[compact oyster]

ainz doesnt even use hud stuff

just has it vanilla

[lapis raft]

well its mostly like you insta apply 30 stacks with needler

[woeful trellis]

oh right

[lapis raft]

and then just refresh with melee crits

[woeful trellis]

you can definitely do that

[lapis raft]

or do it quickly with shiv specials too etc

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/gangsta-bugs-bunny-gif-19829776

[lapis raft]

ilike how i have my ui setup atm

[random shuttle]

O damn, an Ubisoft game

[calm aurora]

mine is close to this one ye

[calm aurora]

Ainz is probably making his own clothes too

He is the best of all of us

[tulip falcon]

hey, does anyonne have a build using duo autopistols and the toxic grenade ? i don't really know what to do ( using desperados too )

[toxic dagger]

that cant be optimal. lol

[tulip magnet]

Are there secret requirements to Dream Team? Malice+? No backfill?

I just quickplayed into a game and no one went down but it didn't go up

[toxic dagger]

I play the whole game vanilla on a cloud gaming service and even I can play H40

[toxic dagger]

no backfill probably

those kinds of penances only tend to count full games

[lapis raft]

i was mostly playing vanilla before i figured out how to set up mods on linux, it wasnt even hard i was just stupid for some reason

[compact oyster]

arent we all a little stupid

[tulip magnet]

I haven't had mods in a while ever since one of the patches broke them

couldn't be bothered to fix em

The only one I cared about was auto-skipping the intro videos

[spark gyro]

How the crusher looks at me after I stacked bleed and toxin with full rending on his entire family in the interval of 5 seconds

[radiant cosmos]

prolly hybrid shiv/auto with a bit of investment in both the melee and ranged toughness regen nodes with despacito and Chem dependency

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-already-dead-omae-wa-mou-shindeiru-fist-of-the-north-star-gif-14326210

[tulip magnet]

Crusher after 2 needle pops

[unreal stirrup]

certified combat blade moment

[spark gyro]

The bomber coming out of hiding half a mile away when I start reloading and watching me pull out two corkscrews

[radiant cosmos]

"Jokes...on...you...loyalist...no...conditional...kill...procs"

[spark gyro]

Hyperhyper

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/pitching-major-league-baseball-throwing-the-ball-mighty-throw-yoshinobu-yamamoto-gif-9033978327785607481

Tox bomber sending that shit through 3 chainlink fences and 2 railing

[tulip magnet]

Tox bombers are fucking Bullseye with those bounces

[novel oracle]

i love stutters!!!

[lapis raft]

isnt this just startup flag btw

[tulip magnet]

thats only the cutxcene

the mods skipped all the press/hold space stuff

[near mauve]

so kino

[spark gyro]

The last thing the sniper sees when I'm playing shotgun vet and grenades are my only long-range option

[fast gust]

ZA WARUDO

[spark gyro]

Yar yar days

[near mauve]

this is actually funny lmao

[compact oyster]

albert and einstein

[near mauve]

cant even be mad

[lost bear]

how's the wide sweeping shiv mark compared to the stabby mark?

[novel oracle]

hive scum is squishy yet its shit like this that damages me

[novel oracle]

not as good

[tulip magnet]

Do most people not dodge backwards after pushing a burster?

[lost bear]

like, bad not as good, or just worse and still solid?

[fast gust]

Nope

[novel oracle]

lately ive been pushing twice THEN dodging back
incase the first one doesnt count

[wispy belfry]

why would you? Pushing them back makes them outside range

[fast gust]

You can instantly spor a vet if they do this or refuse to res people on fire

Old fire damage was... something

[tulip magnet]

Because half the time it hits you anyways

[compact oyster]

you havent done that from the start?

[lapis raft]

aah

[cedar cairn]

I've shoved it, dodged backwards and STILL been hit somehow

[tulip magnet]

If I'm shoving it I want as much distance as possible because shit happens all the time that makes a shove not enough

[novel oracle]

but ive done it way more as of late

[compact oyster]

I always did it

[tulip magnet]

I love the train being an RTX-590

[compact oyster]

Theres always the chance 1 push isnt enough

[tulip magnet]

They should really get a 30 series at least

[near mauve]

they should tone down burster dmg until they fix them

[hallow raft]

It's not just busters that are busted. Anything with an overhead swing has a massive radius.

[tulip magnet]

I'm trying to get the last 4 missions for Dream Team and it keeps dropping me into missions in progress. Even if I select a mission instead of quickplay

Pissing me off

[hallow raft]

I've been bonked by more crushers.... Uhg

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-da-dog-doin-what-da-dog-doin-gif-22078277

[random shuttle]

TBH after that push you forgot to slide backward

But eh, Playtesters are Ceritified Malice Players so can't expect much smh

😏

[hazy vector]

i dodge back twice

[novel oracle]

i was pushing twice then about to dodge back
When i noticed that the dog had lined up right up with the burster
cuz why wouldnt it

either way i would have been fucked

[hazy vector]

nahj

skissue

[tulip magnet]

Fatshark should hire havoc 40 players like league has testers in challenger

[hazy vector]

should have seen into the future

[novel oracle]

for what

[hazy vector]

no

havoc 40 players are minority of a minority of a minority of players

they should not touch balance

[tulip magnet]

so is challenger

[hazy vector]

Should not even breath on it

[hazy vector]

That's pvp game

[main wagon]

Aw shit heretics got the Arbites update

[foggy lantern]

Current fire damage is still too much to risk res most of the time.

[novel oracle]

hi im one of those people
and also one of the testers

[tulip magnet]

pulling the ladder up smh my head

[tepid cosmos]

We are getting rid of you though

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-crying-in-the-rain-gif-23352981

I res people no matter how bad the spot

Ive stood safely behind a stack of crates and res'd @finite sand into a wave of gunners

[random shuttle]

I only res players that passed the vibe check

[finite sand]

Dont forget the flamer incident.

[main wagon]

Which one

[tulip magnet]

Me popping desperado and standing in the gunfire of 10 gunners to res someone

[finite sand]

Three flamers, each from a different direction, all starting their flamethrowers right as I got res'd.

[main wagon]

no silly, you gotta stand behind them with desperado so the firing line of snipers instantly executes them on revive

[finite sand]

You somehow fucked off before they got you but I got cooked alive.

[teal nova]

I shoot bursters near players that don't pass the vibe check

[finite sand]

🚬

[main wagon]

Genetic reflex

[random shuttle]

Whenever I get netted

[main wagon]

Iwo Jima was a bitch

[tepid cosmos]

Frog is a rare feed on atoma

[random shuttle]

0.0001s after there are 5 flamers, a crusher and 2 dogs standing around me

frying and pounding my derriere

[main wagon]

One of the Ogryns talks about eating a bug once

Even he didnt like it

[random shuttle]

Also I am always creeped out when the Trappers says "I'll sell your daughter"

[rigid dock]

anyone see any obvious improvements on this for shivs+autopistols?

[main wagon]

And naturally none of the randoms have any sense of urgency to help rectify this unfortunate circumstance

[random shuttle]

oh never

when pubbing I know that being netted = death.

[main wagon]

Cant forget the pain of watching them fight tantalizingly close to you, but not press e for less than 1s

The cherry on top is that you were the one thing holding that game together and it all falls apart

It's a consolation in a way, but maybe I'm just spiteful lmao

[fast gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351784855545057281/1440269658895945770/togif.gif

[random shuttle]

Nah best is when they come, walk over you and chase a trapper

without picking you up

[main wagon]

too real

oh hang on I might have a cole clip from ages ago

His entire fireteam just walks over him, fights, clears the entire horde, still doesnt pick him up lmao

[flat mist]

pls find

[tulip magnet]

Almost 100% sure she doesn't say this

[main wagon]

"I'll sell you down there" She says

But she says it like "DOWWWN THEEEEEERE HHEGEHGEH"

[random shuttle]

Sorry

That's what I hear

Just like Flamer asking if I want a kiss.

[main wagon]

It's carameldansen all over again

Cat fucking a handbag

[fast gust]

Want them crispy?
Want a kissy?

Same thing

Flamer is a passionate romantic

[main wagon]

I dont know why but the "THE HEATHEN DEENIAAAAHS" has been stuck in my head for the last week

[turbid fulcrum]

I just realized that Hive Scum does not have access to the las pistols. That's weird.

[lapis raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoC5WzCcX8s ok pretty happy with how my mod works now :d

[main wagon]

@novel oracle No idea why I saved this specifically but hey, relive some pain

[tulip magnet]

Always heard "I'll slow you down, heuheuheu"

[fast gust]

Not an ogryn, 3 heretics in big suit

[foggy lantern]

Attack speed assault chainaxe is very fun, and does stupid amounts of damage, despite not being great for crowd control.

On the other hand, with silly swing speed, you are killing the crowd pretty quickly.

[main wagon]

@reef rose Going through my files and found this. When did I become the oracle just recording the deaths of our bravest players?

Admonition's uploading their best clips to my downloads folder like Dropvox

[near mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2VA5hXo6pw

le funny

[pale sparrow]

This dodge build I’ve got going is mental

Chunking a plague ogryn with the dual knives lol

[cedar cairn]

Begging Desperado players to actually use their ability to take out ranged targets

[tulip magnet]

I sprint at gunners with run 'n' gun whenever i can

like a kid in a candy store

[livid raven]

i sprint at gunners without run n gun

[frigid adder]

Welp did my first auric on the crack head without going down.. mind you it was the stupid train mission.

[novel oracle]

whats even funnier is the song thats being recorded is from another game
and this plays during a puzzle section of the game taking place in the last 4 minutes before someone dies

[tulip magnet]

run 'n' gun just makes it more fun

[novel oracle]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7qXG8JRJkfBLLQgakixvlD?si=e77f5c1970214eae

[tulip magnet]

dual stubbers mid sprint gives dopamine

[main wagon]

Yeah that's Ghost Trick isnt it?

[spice cloud]

Run and gun+sticky hands makes em super accurate

[novel oracle]

yeah
but the music context is spot on

its perfect

[novel oracle]

the stub pistols?

i think run n gun is mandatory, and sticky on top for ranged builds

[spice cloud]

Yes

[main wagon]

I shoot a hole in the gross flakky moebian chaff so that I can get to the fragile gunner nuggies in the backline

[spice cloud]

Both stubs and autos

[novel oracle]

i think the autos its not really worth the slot

its already baked in

youre passing up blaze away

[cedar cairn]

I'm just trying to Rampage and there's 3 snipers 4 plasma gunners and 2 Flamers running amok because god forbid a Scum shoots a non-chaff

[spice cloud]

No i take that and blaze away

I think its nice to have more accuracy

[livid raven]

you are passing up speedloader and pinning fire

[tulip magnet]

stubbers with that combo are so accurate i almost never need to flourish

[spice cloud]

I gave the perk anyway

[novel oracle]

if its a ranged build tho
speedload is mandatory on both imo

[spice cloud]

Soeedloader seems a waste to me

[novel oracle]

it really isnt

both burn their mags super fast if youre using them as your primary

[spice cloud]

I allready have the fast reload perk

[livid raven]

i don't think the accuracy is all that when the target is 5 meters in front of you

[fast gust]

Ye reloading cuts into uptime which cuts into dps

[novel oracle]

and their reloads are significantly faster

[spice cloud]

Speedloader seems overkill

[tulip magnet]

nice to guarantee a headshot at maximum "close" distance

[novel oracle]

heres the reload speed difference

[livid raven]

you are not guaranteeing any headshot with dual smg

[tulip magnet]

stubbers

[livid raven]

we are talking about dual smg

[tulip magnet]

i wasnt

[vital flame]

Hello, quick question for you what would be the best bonesaw in term of maxstat ?

[novel oracle]

dump mobility

[livid raven]

why would you ping me to say something about dual stubs when i'm talking about dual smg

[tulip magnet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vital flame]

That's what I tought, but i can't get one with mobility at 60% 🙁 I bought like 20 already lmao

[random shuttle]

20? Well. Need 200!

[tulip magnet]

20's not that much

[random shuttle]

Keep Gambling!

[tulip magnet]

are you credit poor?

[vital flame]

I'm poor (only got more than 1 million

[tulip magnet]

keep gambling

[hallow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/stopbeingpoor-poor-broke-gif-21552270

[crude swallow]

is there somewhere i can read/listen HS voice over? at least on his abilities. Curious what different personalities say

[tulip magnet]

why is the playback so shit. Is it just me? Is it the server region?

[tired prairie]

alternatively you can also dump Crit Bonus, since it’s not a big deal considering how little it gives

But Mobility is not giving you an extreme edge, either

[hallow raft]

YouTube

[novel oracle]

its discord

[tulip magnet]

Can't see the speed difference when the video stutters constantly

[novel oracle]

sometimes discord struggles to play back a video for me that i uploaded 2s ago

[crude swallow]

too broad, cause already checked. Was curious if someone recorded it separately

[vital flame]

GOT IT

[near mauve]

just let it load

[vital flame]

LET'S GO

[near mauve]

discord fked up videos for a while

[vital flame]

thank you for my gambling addiction

[tulip magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[toxic dagger]

Big

[fresh locust]

how does like the wind exactly work? I'm not sure how sprint dodging is procced. it's not like you can sprint forward and dodge forward.

[toxic dagger]

Sprint dodging is procced by sprinting

Not dodging

[fresh locust]

oh my god

thanks, hank

[crude swallow]

that a nice sticker, but true. I can't find a video for them to check separately and not parsing someones gameplay. (of my search-fu is too low level)

[toxic dagger]

If you sprint all bullets fired at you within a certain angle (from the side, and the angle expands with the talent) will miss

Usually as long as you have stamina left

Always with that talent

[tulip magnet]

It's not worth a point imo

[novel oracle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446706168478306454/RDT_20251205_2132578298977863201250671.jpg?ex=693a3b9d&is=6938ea1d&hm=8db1e9565b404898ee3a6efd1145ea49f3606931c8f8df87058d6382043d36f9&=&format=webp&width=352&height=352

[tulip magnet]

the angle increase doesn't really matter

[novel oracle]

in addition to hanks statement

[wind crane]

i just crashed due to scoreboard mod

is this a known thing atm?

[fast gust]

There's a fix for that in the darktide modding discord

[wind crane]

oh

uh

can u inv me to that discord? pls

[fast gust]

Nope don't have the priviledges altho it should be linked here somewhere

[tulip magnet]

Side note: I hate how many mods need access to a discord now. Discord is a shit place to distribute files

[hallow raft]

https://discord.gg/rKYWtaDx4D

[wind crane]

tyvm

[hallow raft]

They are all on Nexus mods

[fast gust]

No

[hallow raft]

The discord is mostly for help and dev

[raven matrix]

Almost certain they got the colour on that tread lighties armwrap mixed with the water cartel one.

[fast gust]

Fixes are not done by the ot authors more often than not so they are in the modding discord, like the scoreboard or the now outdated numeric fix

[tulip magnet]

A lot of nexus mods are outdated or deleted and have moved to discords

Not just talking darktide here

[raven matrix]

How do I get this information to the devs? Because I will start fires until it's fixed.

[hallow raft]

Other than numeric ui, I don't have a single mod that's not been updated on nexus

[tulip magnet]

Maybe it's for contrast, or maybe they have an alliance 😃

[raven matrix]

❌WRONG ANSWER it looks wrong

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-siren-dawg-with-the-light-on-him-sailorzoop-dog-gif-2844905554045249724

[tulip magnet]

It's called fashion honey 💅 look it up

[raven matrix]

Don't pull the fashion honey card on me, promise you I'm aware.

[dim moth]

did you ever think it was weird that the water cartel pants are that exact same olive green color as the armwrap on that water cartel chestpiece?

[raven matrix]

maybe they didn't mistake the colour on the water cartel

but the tread lighties...

[tepid cosmos]

The white suits the water cartel one but I think the purple may have been a rogue copy paste with a hexcode

[main wagon]

Shhh hush

[main wagon]

Headcanon because I like their hazard stripes but water cartel is dope

[near mauve]

this might be my fav cosmetic on scum

makes me look like a lite mauler

[unique dagger]

purple cosmetics for the win

[near mauve]

fellow hydrohomies

[hallow raft]

Yes

[main wagon]

The dark purple sleeve with the haz stripes is so fuckin cool

[tepid cosmos]

They all technically do have an alliance by being in the conclave but they are all rivals still just rivals that will work with each other if it interests them or if there is a greater threat or if the leaders of the conclave demand it cause everyone except the anarchist who is batshit insane seems to fear the leadership

[main wagon]

I wear them with the treadie pants anyway

Because they have the coolest ones

[unique dagger]

can we get a discord channel for each organization so we can go fight each other in every chat

[fast gust]

Tread Lighties on top

[unique dagger]

some discord pvp

[unique dagger]

we don't like your kind around here son

[tepid cosmos]

I wear the water cartel spark mask, water cartel cartel proud and the slop shop pants

[final temple]

I can just insult your inferior cartel here if you need a quick fix of derision 😂

[main trellis]

i wish thread lighties was blue in that cosmetic...

[near mauve]

i went from water cartel to the riders cause motorcycles are KEWL

i forgot what they're called tho

im a bad member

[final temple]

went from Water Cartel (lore reasons) to tread lightlies (better drip)

[tepid cosmos]

there is a voice line where the seer psyker asks outlaw scum. So all the cartels are one big happy conclave family and he replies with errr something like that there is still rivalries and sometimes they get bloody really bloody

[main wagon]

Man the 40k CIA is laughing at us

The Arbites channel is right there

[amber sundial]

Iron riders were bout trains not motorcycles I thought

[main wagon]

And we're fighting amongst ourselves

WE SHOULD BE MAD AT THE MAN™

[toxic dagger]

I'll see if I can make some threads

[amber sundial]

The man is dead though, one message a day pretty much

[near mauve]

water cartel fans be like "heh u should drink water buddy"

DORKS

[final temple]

As somebody who really loves Necromunda as a specialist system, the different gangs are just such a happy riot of meme material

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/haiti-president-hydrohomies-water-un-gif-1394585770745639078

Fresh sewage runoff for ye

[tepid cosmos]

Water cartel is the reason a large majority of tertium has water. Scary fact though a lot of the shit that goes into broker toxin came from the water during the purification process wtf is that water before it’s purified

[near mauve]

i need me a big jug of water

[calm aurora]

The show is better, it gives space cookies

[near mauve]

premium nurgle soup

[amber sundial]

Last time I ate their cookies my kidney was gone in the morning

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-rot-lil-nas-x-mpreg-pregnant-discord-gif-5991367321020313704

[near mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1377420610732429425/1395169329967927486/convert-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/dokibird-huh-rejected-live-gif-3859302371757875364

[amber sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tomato-tomato-mater-mato-catomato-gif-1820475763262864503

[near mauve]

jumpscare

[main wagon]

Why did you make me look at that

[fast gust]

Scummer jumpscare

[tight musk]

Water Cartel is the best. Whoever gives me free stimms gets a discount on (mostly) clean water.

[spice cloud]

Iron Riders for Life!

[near mauve]

motorcycle gang best
we mad max in dis hoe

https://tenor.com/view/witness-rage-mad-max-gif-4527107021531365595

[spice cloud]

Motorcycle and train!

[near mauve]

i need a witness me line for scum

[tepid cosmos]

In the king of the spoil novel that cartel is also heavily in the business of water and they have pretty good ties to the mechanicus I wonder if it’s the same for the water cartel in tertium

[main wagon]

Actually you know what...the premium cosmetic has parts of both the cartel AND the treadies cosmetics...

[spice cloud]

Eww premium

[main wagon]

I'm actually super in favor of this being a thing just so I can keep the sleeve lmao

[tepid cosmos]

Ye it’s cool

[main wagon]

Read the replied message for context, I'm not thirsting over a strip of clown pants and the ugliest camo known to man lol

[tepid cosmos]

we did get told when reporting it some discrepancies are on purpose but they would pass it on

So who knows

[main wagon]

Interesting, that's cool to hear

I'm a simple man

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-purple-i-love-being-purple-the-spongebob-squarepants-movie-gif-6889639021518488720

[calm aurora]

That I is...

Well huge

Hunkysition

[main wagon]

I cracked it, Sherlock

We boyz now

Treadies have dope lore anyways, unlike stinky circus gang

[lusty sapphire]

imagine not picking iron rider

[main wagon]

Respect for Train Gang

I'm really just The Show's #1 hater

[tepid cosmos]

Please give my train back

[plush cove]

H40 needle pistol and chainsword mwah

and rocket launcher, the goat fr

[vocal viper]

enhanced desperado become bugged midgame, they wouldn't highlight blue

[calm aurora]

Ovenproof give blitz now?

[vocal viper]

And rampage wouldn't proc when cool down hit

[patent bone]

HEY SCUMMERS!!

[main wagon]

THERE'S A DOPPLER LOOSE ON THE SHIP

[vocal viper]

This is new, this didn't happen yesterday

[plush cove]

Not sure, this was a temp fix for ovenproof cuz it was broken after the patch, but I assume it probably does have it now

[patent bone]

I was chased by an Arbite on the ship
I fed his mastiff stimms

[calm aurora]

Hmmm that didn't happen to me today

[vocal viper]

Inconsistent, happened mid game. Was working at the start.

My ping is 11, so it's not mw

[lapis raft]

50% uptime on stimm field is ok i guess when i also forgot to use it like half the time anyway when testing this :d

[wise turtle]

Boom Bringer instakilling rituals on H40 now is very funny

[hallow raft]

https://reddit.com/comments/1pie4l5 fuck.

[wise turtle]

You just need to take the toxic blitz talent to hit the breakpoint

the rocket gets all of the cultists low, then the first tick of the toxin kills them all

[main wagon]

[toxic dagger]

nope, no thread perms. tragic

[sinful matrix]

I've tried Rampage twice and both times enemies have died before I get the chance to melee them because a scum on my team has infinite ammo with desperado

Really is just pre-skill trees vet all over again

No one gets do anything while a guy chases highlighted enemies with the SAP DAPs

[neon fern]

yeah

don't bother trying to play if u have a desperado scum with u

or just run desperado too ig

[winter galleon]

Insane how much higher damage needler/chem dot build is then the other builds, but dot builds are so boring 😴

[tight musk]

Rampage hive scum needs the team to just let him do his own thing and not help him cause otherwise he loses his ability too fast and then becomes mega weak for a few seconds.

[dire badge]

Play havoc, there Is always enough heretics for everyone

[tight musk]

I still don't understand why rampage is like, literally the only ability in the game to have a massive downside when it ends.

[livid raven]

desperado do much more damage

[dire badge]

I mean two shottint crushers ain't bad

[exotic temple]

I think in the media build it was way stronger, then they nerfed it pre release.

[foggy phoenix]

Barely missed it holy shit

[winter galleon]

barely missed? looks like you got it

[exotic temple]

Should have gotten rid of the debuff when they nerfed the ability of you asked me

[near mauve]

prolly cause its zealot's fotf on every steroids known to man

[foggy phoenix]

I mean, yeah. But that I only noticed this while the shop was about to reset was 💀

[near mauve]

and probably theamtic

cause haha u overdosed on drugs and u need to cool.......down

[winter galleon]

just think how many you have missed while sleeping or working

xD

[calm aurora]

Quick and deadly does buff everything

Holy moly

[grand jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565672718293401653/1321147766805631129/cat_armor_wiki.gif

[forest escarp]

purrito

[tight musk]

I mean...melee psyker can do the same without a massive downside after scrier's ends, and scrier's has almost no cooldown on top of that. And psyker is somehow more tanky, too.

Zealot can kill crushers about as fast with no downside to the dash.

Veteran with something like dueling or power sword doesn't even need abilities to two/three shot a crusher. Not to mention veteran can also have near infinite krak grenades.

[near mauve]

psyker is stupid

zealot can kill things as fast with specific weapons

vet is stupid

[storm patio]

HS players chug copium from their special stims, what can you do

let them enjoy things

[near mauve]

me when the new class isnt a superhuman unkillable god

[storm patio]

yes, i DO have vermintide 2 syndrome 😤

[winter galleon]

wait does unload not refresh if reload before runs out? makes it seem kinda bad since usually mag dump much faster then7 seconds?

[storm patio]

(actually no, i hopped in when all paid classes were nerfed)

[near mauve]

unironically bring the rest down to scum level

this way we wont have the game spawning 1000000 crushers to compensate

while running at 10 fps

[storm patio]

i mean, you can let classes be OP and still have fun
look at engineer from VT2

lad isn't the most chosen class on average for nothing

[near mauve]

u can nerf each class like 10 times and they will still be op

that's how op everything is

[storm patio]

why nerf them then

[main elm]

I mean desperado is one of the closest thing in the game to the « unkillable god » also while killing everything sprinting

Idk what you could possibly want

[near mauve]

i think u misunderstood

people are complaining that the class has clear downsides (class is squishy)

[main elm]

Might be 😅

[near mauve]

because the rest can output insane dmg while tanking

[winter galleon]

i still think 90% of the "squishiness" comes from the broken hitboxes

it relies on dodging and when hitboxes scuffed and get hit even though dodging it feels like class is squishier then it is

[near mauve]

cause the only way the game challenges people now is by spamming shit?

thus forcing people to run the most unfun shit ever cause players will naturally min max

[fast gust]

This is indeed dumb

[storm patio]

VT2 is all about that and game is doing fine

[near mauve]

i didnt play vt2 but from what people told me the spawn intensity is not even half of what darktide throws at u

and it sounds better on paper to me

lesser enimies but more deadly

[storm patio]

that's the thing
they aren't more deadly

[near mauve]

ive seen cata footage and even random fodder can hurt u bad

they seem more deadly to me

[paper mist]

its more that the games more melee oriented the range weapons arnt as strong

[near mauve]

also performance
darktide runs like ASS

[storm patio]

in fact VT2 characters are more tankier because THP is generated much more easier there and it is an actual "high skill trick" when you let enemies hit you from time to time to charge your ulty faster

i played ~1k+ hours in VT2 and i was shocked how much squishier DT characters are

[obsidian crown]

It’s your pc

[near mauve]

nah

every other game runs fine

3070ti 5900x 32gigs of ram

[dim moth]

yeah because the health systems are different

[obsidian crown]

You complain about sm2 too

[dim moth]

THP in VT2 means you cannot die to attrition

[storm patio]

ye

[dim moth]

you have to make multiple mistakes in a short timeframe or get hit by a disabler to die in VT2

[tight musk]

Well, I feel like if you have to pay for a class, it should at least be as good as existing stuff.

Existing stuff mostly deals about the same or even more damage, while not being as easy to kill and providing more team benefits, and not having massive downsides for no reason.

Even on the class,, like, why does desperado not have some kind of downside? Imagine desperado runs out and your guns jam and can't shoot for like 10-15 seconds. That'd be awful.

[near mauve]

sm2 is different, it runs fine i just complain that its cpu bottlenecked meaning its not using my cpu (or any cpu) well

[storm patio]

sm2 battle mechanics are ultra ass, the most tastless piece of garbage i have ever seen

[near mauve]

it is as good tho just a different flavor

[storm patio]

a never ending QTE sequence

maybe fatsharks spoiled me too much with their fighting systems

[near mauve]

awful take

[storm patio]

it's unironically very pleasant

[near mauve]

parry fishing is not even optimal

[tight musk]

I like SM 2, tho I haven't played it in a while.

Not a fan of chaos missions tho.

[dim moth]

definitely

I would have liked my time playing Space Marine 2 if I wasn't a perpetual shooting things enjoyer

[near mauve]

sm2 has a lot of issues but everytime iread complaints from people here i wonder if they actually opened the game more than once

or if they played since release

[dim moth]

In a game that I played when every single gun outside of Sniper's was mega ass

[near mauve]

its always factually false info

[dim moth]

Heard that got fixed tho but now I don't have the hard drive space xd

[storm patio]

bro i had so much mercy on sm2 despite it being garbage

[sinful matrix]

No all the weapons are still pretty ass because they don't have ammo

[storm patio]

played full campaign, maxed out heavy class
went on Lethal as lvl1 sniper

[sinful matrix]

At least you can actually kill stuff with them now though, i suppose

[near mauve]

brother u said its a never ending ate sequence when the most effective way to play is NOT the qte parry stuff

[sinful matrix]

But it's still bullet sponge hell

[near mauve]

nope

[storm patio]

your regeneration mechanics are TIED TO QTE

[storm patio]

THIS^^^^

[sinful matrix]

That's most of my issue with SM2 anyway

Everything is just too tanky

[dim moth]

I dunno even back when I played SM2 before there were those few guns that just killed shit

[obsidian crown]

Anyone who says sm2 is bullet sponge especially now is a huge skill issue

[sinful matrix]

It's not super fun hitting something 8 times with a power sword

[dim moth]

like on Sniper bolt sniper and Las Fusil were just 1-2 shot into things

and thank god they were honestly

[tight musk]

Isn't Heavy Gunner like, the most broken class in SM 2?

[limber cradle]

When I played sm2 all you did was parry and gunstrike, which I've been told has not really changed.

[sinful matrix]

As an extreme example, it's ~40 rounds to kill one Terminid Warrior with the Heavy Bolt Rifle

[dim moth]

And I was playing Heavy last time I played which was in April and the heavy bolter was pretty ammo efficient

[near mauve]

if u mean the exec animations then you're still wrong because u dont have to spam it, u can just outright delete things or get fast gunstrikes

[dim moth]

just had to be close arnge to get fast kill on elites

[near mauve]

game changed a lot

[sinful matrix]

The game is objectively bullet spongey

[obsidian crown]

So you didn’t play in 2 years. Got it

[dim moth]

it took like 30 shots but heavy bolter that was't a big ask with the 800 ammo I had

[storm patio]

me, dumping 20% of my ammo at one chaos marine
then other marine comes from behind and chomps off 40% of my HP WITH A FREAKING LEG KICK

[sinful matrix]

It's not so bad if you use the plasma gun, heavy bolter, and either sniper rifle

[fast gust]

It's 31 now. Not much has changed

[near mauve]

a lot of guns kill things pretty fast now
game is just never gonna be one of the games where u 1 shot everything cause it doesnt spawn enough things at you so 1 shotting things would make it so easy

[storm patio]

facts

[dim moth]

yeah

I kinda liked the quality over quantity horde shooter design

So I didn't mind them being tanky

[obsidian crown]

There’s a lot of melee weapons that can 1-2 tap now.

[dim moth]

Just the lowest level of elites probably shouldn't take an entire fucking mag and then some xd

[sinful matrix]

Tac Marine using Auspex and oneshotting literally any boss in the game 🤔

[near mauve]

bullet sponge
block weapons can 2 tap
loads of gun can melt in seconds

[fast gust]

Yes, but shooting still is meh outside of the select 3

[dim moth]

I DID also find that burst fire bolt rifle very fun to use

[obsidian crown]

Depends on the gun but over half the guns have a 1 second TTK now

[near mauve]

auspex and tac on a whole are the exception to the rule since tac has NO DMG REDUCTION

its the glass cannon of the game

[storm patio]

bro i am not buying that it takes 8+ headshots from a BOLTER weapon to kill a ranged tyranid of my size

[north meteor]

if only the endgame was fun

[dim moth]

yeah but it's also poster boy syndrome so it's always picked whenever I try to play it :(

[storm patio]

while said tyranid chomps off more health from me by bodyshots

it's a pure lie

[blazing cove]

im very confused, but presuming all this chat is about a different game.

That or I missed a major update.

[dim moth]

and then I cave and just go back to heavy/sniper and weep for what could ahve been

[sinful matrix]

Space Marine 2

[blazing cove]

Ahhh right sm2

[sinful matrix]

I think the game is fine

[north meteor]

an objectively worse game

[blazing cove]

Fairs. It is DTs cousin

[storm patio]

it's ass

[near mauve]

it takes less now from the standard bolt rifle lol
its also not that bad considering you're fighting creatures who are of equal strength to a marine (almost) while the grunts gets 1 tapped

[blazing cove]

Haha not tried yet

[sinful matrix]

But the damage you output on "normal" weapons leaves a lot to be desired

[dim moth]

Yeah I liked SM2 overall even with the problems I had with it

[storm patio]

artists carried whole game on their 3m wide shoulders

[dim moth]

And those problems have been fixed now if Cyber is to be believed so

[near mauve]

tac always being picked is why i leveled and maxxed the rest lmao

[obsidian crown]

Funny because I found VT2 to be utter dogshit slow slop.

I was so bored out of my mind

[limber cradle]

That's okay, I think sm2 shouldn't have been made.

[storm patio]

take is so bad that i assume it's a bait

[dim moth]

flashbacks to release Tzaangors

[obsidian crown]

That was the first game I truly uninstalled

[near mauve]

still has bunch of things i'd like changed but yeah a lot of my major gripes were fixed
i also hated how bolters and melee felt on release

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/pay-attention-to-me-one-orange-brain-cell-kitten-cat-meow-gif-16762328332322827176

[north meteor]

Darktide is literally the only one with the pace I like. VT2 is still better than SM2, but its a close run lol

[blazing cove]

I love VT2 and couldn't get into DT for ages. But now not sprinting in VT2 confuses the hell out of me, and my jump keybind is different.

Nightmares

[storm patio]

it could have been good game, but sadly Sabers have the most talentless game designers in the world

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-paw-annoyed-hiss-gif-16279788301067456967

[grand jewel]

I wish blackouts blinded me too

[obsidian crown]

Yeah playing VT after playing darktide is just so fucking boring.

[blazing cove]

Blind Rage Passive

[limber cradle]

I don't understand why they even bothered to put pvp in that game

[blazing cove]

Minsc style

[grand jewel]

dont tell warframe players

[limber cradle]

They were clearly incapable of the bare minimum

[storm patio]

their efficient managers said that multiplayer prolongs game's life, so they put as much MP stuff as possible

[near mauve]

cause sm1 had pvp lol that's about it

they dont really update it

it took them a year to add a new mode

[north meteor]

I need Fatshark to add more staves to Psyker. That way it isn't only one build. Where's my freeze staff

[limber cradle]

I know, it's why I don't play it.

The pve loop in that game was god awful ime

[tight musk]

Two things I don't like about Vermintide - no sprint, and some missions are really fucking confusing if you don't already know what you need to do.

[near mauve]

i like the pve stuff but pvp is meh

[dim moth]

I prefer vermintide not having sprint

Fucking hate sprint buttons in games

[limber cradle]

I played a lot of sm1 pvp

[dim moth]

just force me to RP walk everywhere please

[limber cradle]

I was hype for sm2

I was very disappointed

[storm patio]

1. whole game was built on idea that you can't just outrun your enemies
2. one youtube playthrough on 4x speed fixes it

[near mauve]

i want 1 final change for sm2 and then ill be happy
Get rid of the dumbass fencing/balance/block archtype shit
weapons are either fencing or block and no stupid ass slow weapons for no reasons

and then ill be happy

[storm patio]

good take, full support

[near mauve]

give fencing the balance weapon stats and delete balance

[tight musk]

I shouldn't have to watch a video to know what to do in a mission that I joined when I clicked quickplay.

[near mauve]

make block weapons faster and boom

[north meteor]

I genuinely don't know if they can make sm2 fun for me

[dim moth]

my weapon skins no!

[dim moth]

well duh just watch the randoms

easy

[near mauve]

i use like 2 skins per wep anyway

[tight musk]

What if the randoms don't know either?

[storm patio]

wrong
you play fatshark game, that goes without saying 😌

[dim moth]

then engage in exploraaaaaaation

[dense hollow]

then you have a good time with the fact that everyone is a headless chicken

[random shuttle]

I really enjoyed SM2

for 20 hours

[limber cradle]

What mission did you have trouble with? Most of them are "go place and kill thing"

[dim moth]

my ass is not looking up a guide on how to find grimoires/tomes in that game I am LOOKING AROUND MANUALLY

and having a great time doing it

[random shuttle]

But it's not a game to play forever

also

[near mauve]

and that's fine tbh

[random shuttle]

SM2 for me commited the greatest of Warhammer Games crime

[near mauve]

i put a lot of hours to it but its fine to play games for few hours

[obsidian crown]

It’s 100% a side game

[random shuttle]

it made bolters look pathetic

[grand jewel]

who looks at guides on how to find grims and tomes lol

[near mauve]

obligatory bolters are way better now comment

[dim moth]

people who are progressing and want to do so faster

[storm patio]

jokes aside, game's population consists mostly from veterans, so chances of full newbie squad is quite low

[limber cradle]

I'm gonna be honest I stopped enjoying sm2 by the end of the campaign and then I tried out the mp for like 2 weeks trying to fill the void that is sm1 pvp and that did not work for me

God the last boss sucked

I know he wasn't truly a QTE but he felt like one

[compact oyster]

sm2 pvp is dead

[near mauve]

imurah was cool

[compact oyster]

theres no reason for saber to continue investing resources into it

[random shuttle]

Now Darktide Bolter

THAT'S a Bolter.

[pale sandal]

I got the full set for The Show!

The Show Must Go On!!!

[limber cradle]

Congrats

[storm patio]

DT's human bolter feels more boltery than Space Marines bolter
the irony

[compact oyster]

i want imurah as a terminus

[near mauve]

darktide bolter is legit way less verstile
not the best for sniping and a waste using it on horde, mostly used for funny magdumping

but they did nail the feeling

and the dmg

[compact oyster]

give the excuse that a shard of imurah's being still exists

[dim moth]

ngl bolter is kinda the best for sniping on a bolter build

it does better boss damage than vigilants, and isn't as slow as a helbore

[limber cradle]

Bolter defo works for long range ime

[north meteor]

I only have bolter to mag dump bosses

[pale sandal]

Which set do I do next? Water Cartel, Iron Riders, or Tread Lightlies?

[storm patio]

bolter in DT is just loud sniper rifle

[north meteor]

I use knives to clear horde

[dim moth]

using it just as a panic magdump is a hilariou waste of the gun

[near mauve]

my experience with dt bolter is just magdumping it with zealot cause i dont play vet

[pale sandal]

Bolter is surprisingly useful on Vet with Focus Target

[storm patio]

bolter is mostly anti-boss/berserker/patrol weapon and that's alright

[tight musk]

Man, my old mouse started breaking, so I bought a new one, but now I have to get used to the new mouse.

[near mauve]

im sure its insane for sniping on a exe stance vet

but i be dumping da mag

[dim moth]

my experience with dt bolter is just sniping with it on vet cause I don't play zealot

[near mauve]

wot da hyll

this man is copying me but in reverse

[north meteor]

Maybe someday I'll make a gun build on vet

[random shuttle]

Yeah I don't care what Bolter works for

[dim moth]

I am starting to play zealot more though

[random shuttle]

what matters is, as mentioned

they NAILED the feeling of it

[dim moth]

Far too many useless chorus zealots that need to be reminded what their class can do with good abilities equipped

[random shuttle]

It feels like I am aiming an angry microwave

[north meteor]

join the book spam

[random shuttle]

shooting can-sized explosives

It barks and booms and kicks

[near mauve]

i think it feels great to pop a horde of trash in sm2 with heavy bolter

[north meteor]

how dare

[random shuttle]

It's a Steroid-grown Rottweiler of DT guns

[north meteor]

Message unclear. I'll now begin invis horde dumping my psyker

[random shuttle]

Playing with Bolter always bring joy.

[limber cradle]

I'll give it to FS, a lot of their weapon design feels good

[near mauve]

i like the new bolter varient

even if its really weird

and not optimal

it makes a funny sound

and sends things flying

[tender forge]

Martyrdom book chads

[severe zephyr]

can anyone give me an advice for gas levels, i cannot play without dying on those levels, i can't see where the gas ends/start and i can't mantain a decent hp regen without enemyes while walking on this maps

[limber cradle]

You either gotta hold or push

You can't fuck around in thr gas

[near mauve]

first advice is to avoid pox gas second advise is to always push forward and not stay in the gas but dont over extend

[dim moth]

dumbasses more like

zero reason to use book on zealot if you're not explicitly trying to get carried

[severe zephyr]

but i find very hard to notice where the gas starts/ends is this that subtle or am i doing something wrong

[main wagon]

There are spots on the ground, usually in side hallways and such where there arent green flowers on the ground

[tender forge]

Not really, it works as an oh shit button

[severe zephyr]

maybe it's my graphic setting?

[dim moth]

chorus the only ability in this game so bad that I consider using it to be an active nerf to the classes performance

[tender forge]

Its like saying any psyker who has smite is looking to be carried

You just have to not only use book

[dim moth]

damn if only zealot had some other kind of oh shit button that killed things

[north meteor]

book zealot is just a big support class wdym

[dim moth]

like fury of the faithful

[tender forge]

Or an eviscerator

[limber cradle]

You ever met a psyker with smite who uses anything else?

[dim moth]

or even use stun grenades!

[storm patio]

Me, who plays all the classes equally good
||there are only 3 classes: vet, zealot and ogryn||

[torpid cloud]

Bolter on scum would be kinda broken

[tender forge]

Yeah, but you dont notice them because they dont use smite all of the time

[near mauve]

i think book is fine cause most people dont have the skill to blender things fast enough on zealot unironically
people talk about loss of dps when u book but if you're a book main you're probably not good enough to be a human blender anyway might as well protect team with piss toughness

[limber cradle]

I defo notice the lightning when it happens and ime its either all lightning or no lightning

[storm patio]

of course it would be broken, how can a scum now how to handle a bolter?

[torpid cloud]

Sparkhead is fun once you get it

[dim moth]

yeah that matches with my experience

[main wagon]

Me getting insanely cracked to onetrick a single flavor of the month

[dim moth]

book zealots are book zealots because they are ass at the game

[pale sandal]

I don't even use ExStance, I use Voice of Command. Focus Target and that one that increased power with each enemy staggered

[dim moth]

and cannot contribute outside of support

so they just use book instead

[torpid cloud]

With how frail they are they would take damage every shot

[dim moth]

so they just pick book to get carried xd

exactly like I said earlier

[storm patio]

bro i want this mechanic