hivescum-class

[manic wolf]

Thats a good question actually. Most other DoTs do

But idk about this one

[novel oracle]

The lowest adm toxin has is 0.9 on carapace

[sturdy linden]

I think those people need help.

[tender marten]

alt fire on the needle pistol is incredibly generous on its proc condition

[charred bronze]

I don't think ticks benefit from ranged damage, only flat +damage % like the ones provided by perks. Haven't tested though

[novel oracle]

So it does do something
Barely anything, but something

[manic wolf]

So effectively not then

[dreamy rover]

Stim supply is bugged. If you get hit, you are stuck with the supply in your hand unable to drop it...

[tender marten]

last i checked your target will still explode from the poison even up to six seconds after the dot itself has expired

[charred bronze]

still? Thought they hotfixed that?

[sturdy linden]

Reuse the ability, it'll drop

It's just a little annoying

Hopefully they fix it

[dreamy rover]

Couldn't. Had to drop off a cliff to reset it.

[novel oracle]

They hotfixed it not dropping when you're not looking at the ground like a medkit

[charred bronze]

steaming of stim box, gonna finally try that spec. Any suggested builds to start with?

[dusk wagon]

lol

[novel oracle]

Its drops it to your feet as a fallback then

But this case its different cuz the action was interrupted

[somber frigate]

To make sure I know what you mean, do you mean that it goes from what, 0.9 to 1.0? I'm asking because I'm stupid and want to learn.

[dreamy rover]

The timer went grey into the -1000

[trim wind]

i've had that but it always let me just re-use to put it down

[dreamy rover]

Game said no to me as I was getting slapped by maulers

[manic wolf]

Ngl guys... I feel like melee/ranged hybrid Scummer with Desp/Dependancy might be one of the most cracked builds

[dreamy rover]

I'm still trying to find one that works...

[supple torrent]

What skills do you grab for melee?

[tender marten]

"Alright V, remember, this is a covert mission. You'll have to get inside unseen and retrieve the video evidence."
My V with 20 body, 20 tech, zero grace, and gorilla arms, who has never so much as crouch walked in his life: "Yeah man totally."

-PUNCHES EVERYTHING-

[supple torrent]

-Mr. Hands looking at my V armed with an rpg arm

[versed spruce]

Using Intimidation in lieu of Sneak

[tender marten]

maybe you should just admit you hired the wrong person peralez

also i wont be voting for u, goodbye

-jumps off balcony using ground slam, killing dozens-

[manic wolf]

Im doin this atm

[worn oar]

How do I make a build with dual knives thats good at horde clear in melee?

[versed spruce]

https://youtu.be/pMd4S-LkywI?feature=shared

[somber frigate]

Ah it doesn't matter anyway I think the rending only applies to ranged attacks and specifically doesn't apply to the toxin

That's really goofy.

[manic wolf]

Like Crit stacking and TaxAxe with chem dot on crit and BM/HV is just nutty in melee

this weapon loadout

Ignore stat bars, I dumped mob' on both

[wheat sundial]

Sorry I tried searching it here but dual stub dump brings up nothing. what's the dual stub dump?

[manic wolf]

Mobility

[wheat sundial]

TY

[manic wolf]

o7 yw

[near vapor]

https://youtu.be/sMk-HPBF6Mw @high gull

this is not overacting

this is peak acting

[supple torrent]

pocket toxin launcher? Why no sample collector?

[manic wolf]

coz im using a 45s CD stim, its not required

[worn oar]

whould dependency or adrenaline frenzy be better

[manic wolf]

An yeah, the toxin for launcher essentially works as an AoE increase

[novel oracle]

Sample collector pisses me off

[manic wolf]

How so Cole?

[supple torrent]

Does it kill armored enemies at the edge?

Idk how much 3 chem does to carapace.

[novel oracle]

Costly to reach
Unreliable in effect
Literally the only way to play into the actual effect of the stim

[manic wolf]

If not kill them, puts them in one tap range. An according to Cole, 0.9 ADM on Carapace for Tox

[somber frigate]

i kind of want a node on the ranged side that is sample collector but procs on weakspot ranged kills

[hexed lava]

how does stim gun work, i almost sacrifice them to lv 19

[supple torrent]

hmm neat

[manic wolf]

Yeha thats fair, it do be kinda goofy

[novel oracle]

Chem dep needs to be a lot of stim cdr instead of ability

[supple torrent]

^^^

[manic wolf]

It'll also remove a great deal of trash if they dont immediately die form the impact, like its very good value

[somber frigate]

that would be cool too ya

[manic wolf]

Stackem up and launcher them for instant screenwipe

[novel oracle]

Almost like thats where the name came from

[somber frigate]

We have ability CDR in chem but only have sample collector to work with

[novel oracle]

It was literally the original idea

[somber frigate]

its kind of funny

[novel oracle]

Which doesnt matter at all for 1 ability and matters much less for the other two

[supple torrent]

PLease say it aint so

[manic wolf]

It would make sense tbh

[worn gull]

Ugh chem scum feels so much better now

[somber frigate]

It would matter more if we could stim more i think, specifcially for desperado

less so for rampage but hive scum seems sort of hyper reliant on their ability to be doing stuff

[versed spruce]

Yeah like why would I run dependency for Desp and Rampage when I can just run a CDR stim and have a keystone that'll benefit me both in and out of combat

[manic wolf]

@supple torrent I shot the Bulwark, so yeah, Crusher is an easy kill, maybe I overexaggerated a bit with onetap, but you get the idea. Its decent

[novel oracle]

You have subnodes with a give and take per stack
A buff from the chem enhancement, and a debuff from the dependency on them
Like maybe +crit chance and +crit damage, but -stam regen per stack

[worn gull]

Crate scum loses a lot of personal damage but giving the entire rest of the party like 50%+ more damage each might actually make up for it

[novel oracle]

And thats the more reasonable case too
With vultures mark the keystone is so busted that you dont even need cdr, you can just basically have the ability effect while not in the ability

[manic wolf]

Tbh just having it effect stim cooldown would be banging, I'd be agnostic towards any other effects, but the main one is stim cdr getting put on there

[versed spruce]

have pickpocket
have vulture's mark
this is functionally desperado without desperado active

WOW

[novel oracle]

It gives it more flavor and actual decisions beyond "pick your extra buffs "

[manic wolf]

Vultures Dodge is dumb an needs to be reworked into something else

[zealous ravine]

i love adrenaline having 4 uptime nodes

[novel oracle]

Its taken people too long to realize this

[manic wolf]

True, could also remove its base effects and have nothing there other than CDR an your buff would be the stim. No TDR, no nothing, just CDR an it'd still be mad strong because your stim would be up all the time

[trim wind]

uhh acshooly vulture's mark is not good

[somber frigate]

where's vulture's mark rending

[zealous ravine]

doesnt adrenaline often give movement speed in games too

[trim wind]

(op)

[versed spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/buster-jam-shoot-evil-gif-9636628110021626244

[manic wolf]

Unfortunately I realised it as soon as I looked at the tree and went "nope, that'll be nerfed, not touching that"

[zealous ravine]

ermmm youtube video told me ranged build needs buffs

can we make it so instead of immunity taking ranged dmg heals

[versed spruce]

Thank god this channel finally steered into having a population of reasonable people

[novel oracle]

Adrenaline needs the subnodes related to stack gain dropped by 20%ish in effect but have the inability to get stacks from other stack sources removed

[versed spruce]

As soon as this channel dropped I said Pickpocket concerned me

They were like "ermm how could infinite ammo possibly be op"

[manic wolf]

Pickpocket is honestly way less egregious than Vulture's Dodge imo

[zealous ravine]

i really would rather only have like 2 subnodes relating to getting stacks or uptime

[versed spruce]

I think both are ridiculous tbh

[manic wolf]

Like they wanted a character that can do ranged all the time, an thats a nice unique playstyle, but being immune to everything because you can crit all the time on a full auto gun? Fuck no

[trim wind]

both are silly, it's pretty hard to stop firing

[hexed lava]

vulture node vs chem dependcy for shootyscum ?

[worn gull]

They just gotta replace it with DR

[trim wind]

vulture

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. an maybe give Pickpocket a small ICD, like 5s or summat, but Vulture's Dodge is just utterly fucked

[hexed lava]

u can with vet las pistol, with right build u won't even need to pick ammo

[supple torrent]

Yeah I dont get this. If I get caught in melee as they ranged spammer I deserve to get hit.

[worn oar]

How does flesh tearer and rending sound on dual knives meant for horde clear?

[versed spruce]

I originally called for like a 1m cooldown on pickpocket but I think now it should be like 15s

[manic wolf]

Yeah, exactly. If your mobility isnt on point, you should pay for it, not have an always on get out of jail free card. You want that, take Blackouts

[versed spruce]

Idk you should HAVE to play the game in melee some of the time

Melee is a core mechanic to this game so I don't think any playstyle ever should be 0% melee

[trim wind]

is that why there's those pointy things in my hands at the start of a match?

[supple torrent]

I don't really want to use vulture's cus I'm supposed to avoid damage. Its feels so wrong

[manic wolf]

You do, even with that much emphasis on ranged damage, there are always situations you need to melee stuff

[trim wind]

instructions unclear, shoot

[manic wolf]

Im not gonna spend 30s shooting at three Crusher with Stubbers when I can kill them much easier in melee

[novel oracle]

Its the difference between desperado outside of desperado with extra buffs
Or cdr for desperado more

[supple torrent]

30s for 3 crushers? thats some good ttk for gun scum

[manic wolf]

Thats with Desperado and the rending node active

[supple torrent]

new tech. should submit it as a speedrun

[versed spruce]

Cole has a clip of him melting an auric crusher in like 3s with dual autos IIRC

[novel oracle]

Im on my phone rn lol

[manic wolf]

Still not worth it when they can just be stabbed in the head a few times with shivs or bash them in the dome with TAxe

[worn gull]

To be fair, 3s is still pretty long

[trim wind]

the only time i melee is when there's crushers close but even then it's not a guarantee

[novel oracle]

3s for a crusher??? With weapons not good at them?

[trim wind]

if i have stim and desp active, they're getting the shoot

(or a nade if it's alot)

[rare idol]

Meanwhile on psyker we’ve had ranged immunity and infinite ammo knives for years

[supple torrent]

nothing a little can opener cant solve.

[novel oracle]

3s on a crusher is a normal kill time for most weapons that are considered good at armor

[manic wolf]

This is the real solution to Crushers at this point anyway

[rare idol]

Heck for a while we had a funny left click machine gun quell cancel staff build

[supple torrent]

We dont talk about psykers.

[rare idol]

I love seeing shotgun mobs when running ep assail with empathic evasion, it’s so funny

Shit billions of knives and you’re immune to anything they can do while you’re at it

[supple torrent]

I see the vision now. Fatshark spammed us with bulwarks so launcher scum could shine

[manic wolf]

It uhhh.. it kinda do be like that...

[worn gull]

No, just for weapons that are good at them (that are also generally pretty good at everything else too)

[rare idol]

Launcher is king now

It was already by far the coolest

[manic wolf]

Any large and troublesome elite blob tbh

[somber frigate]

TIL you dodge bullets from the sides when sprinting

[rare idol]

And now it’s decent performance!

[manic wolf]

I broke the killfeed several times with launcher in the last game i played

[rare idol]

Heretics don’t lead

[supple torrent]

dancing around bulwarks and getting them to drop shield feels way easier now

[manic wolf]

It actually the goat now

[somber frigate]

no kidding lol

[hexed lava]

it would be nice if we got blitz regen by kill or cd

[novel oracle]

And we're talking about the dual autos

[lost bear]

glad you gave it a shot!

[haughty slate]

guys, I am cooking up what is potentially one of the funniest scumer builders thus far

[rare idol]

I remember early on when the heretic guns worked and there were just dead zealots everywhere

[manic wolf]

Ime, the team will feed you grenade pickups all match if you have the launcher

[lost bear]

community collectively figured out buttscooting

[hexed lava]

big man take all lol

[manic wolf]

So regen would be nice to take the pressure off other classes, but its not a requirement as people actively want armour walls removed

[trim wind]

blitz regen on the launcher or chem nade would be utterly broken, should stay as is

[lost bear]

early on there were takes that Ogryn needed shield to be Damnation viable

[rare idol]

Dogs know this one weird trick to dodge all gunfire! Heretics hate them!

[tawny fossil]

Hi all, does Chem Fortified proc for Enchaned penance(replenish 2600% toughness)?

[broken bear]

so

[supple torrent]

Yeah 4 grenade slots feels fine for now. Although, I had run today with a vet who didnt bring upgraded crates

[broken bear]

rpg best now for armor?

[manic wolf]

Yeup

[lost bear]

rpg best for any problem tbh

[rare idol]

Dog isn’t scooting because dirty ass, it’s scooting to dodge the bullets

[manic wolf]

It went from "eh, its ok" to "this shit fucking bangs"

[broken bear]

any talents that make it better

[manic wolf]

Pocket Toxin, as you would expect

[broken bear]

cuz i may just run it on desperado scum

[hexed lava]

can rpg make beast spit teammate

[lost bear]

uhhh, does it do weak spot damage?

[rare idol]

Could try bistol lethal prox

[trim wind]

doesn't really need anything

[manic wolf]

It does

[broken bear]

idek what pocket toxin is imma be real

[lost bear]

potentially the dodge for +15% close damage talent

[manic wolf]

Tox dots (3 stacks) on blitz damage

[trim wind]

node that makes all blitzes apply 3 toxin

[lost bear]

lethal prox makes the AoE hilarious

[broken bear]

LMAO WTF

[somber frigate]

it sounds like its to mostly make blackout do chem

[manic wolf]

Essentially it works as an AoE boost on the launcher

[broken bear]

i feel like thats overkill

😭

[somber frigate]

unles i'm wrong

[trim wind]

yea i dunno if it's worth it on that

[manic wolf]

Mostly

[lost bear]

yeah it's not useful on rpg but very good to make your pocket sand poison sand

[rare idol]

Which is sad because it breaks crack rock regen

[timber basin]

guys can we make a petition to make box detonate on ability press again

[zenith fern]

Using the 3 stacks chem from explosions on RPG is worthless now due the massive buff

[somber frigate]

Chem kills don't proc the blackout regen?

[zenith fern]

On blinders is very good

[broken bear]

10/10 grammar

[lost bear]

crack rock regen?

[manic wolf]

Nah, it still works the same as it did, its an AoE increase by effect

[tawny fossil]

Hi, does Chem fortified(50% toughness on chem use) progress the penance Enhanced (2600 toughness with stims while above 50% viscosity)? thank you

[trim wind]

i think thats fine, otherwise it's just infinite blackouts all the time

[high gull]

Crowbar is fun mane

[rare idol]

Need
Muh
Skooma

Idk whatever the stun nade is called

[high gull]

Just thwacked the shit out of a captain solo

[trim wind]

great farming tool for sample collector too

[high gull]

And nearly solo'd a LT.

[broken bear]

i like shivs too much, reminds me of high school

[lost bear]

nah it's just an archaic, high register form

[high gull]

But a fucking bitch made ass mutant tossed me into a pack of shooters

[lost bear]

not casual modern register

[obsidian crown]

kldsjfafl;kjdasl;kffjasl;kdffja;sldj

[high gull]

Was beating the brakes off that mf

[supple torrent]

Yeah I feel like blackout needs that leash.

[obsidian crown]

almost hhad a 0 dmg takken game again

[somber frigate]

Auuuuuuuugh

Fatshark why ;-;

[broken bear]

forgot a there

[obsidian crown]

ended up with this though

[supple torrent]

dear fatshark, stop cucking me with hypercrit. thanks

[lost bear]

still perfectly correct

[manic wolf]

Hyperviolence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hypercritical

[lost bear]

if you're going to be a wiseass at least be correct lmao

[manic wolf]

Hyperviolence is basically always better value

[somber frigate]

Well I still think pocket toxin with blackout can be nice if you need it to proc toxin buffs + is impact due to whatever build you're doing

[lost bear]

in practice, both are good

[obsidian crown]

rocket is super good now though

[lost bear]

the debate is largely pointless

[obsidian crown]

better than chem for me tbh

b/c i can aim

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. RPG fucks now

[obsidian crown]

favorite is blackout still though

[near vapor]

wrong

[obsidian crown]

but rocket a good meme auric build

[near vapor]

also you can just take both..

[manic wolf]

Blackout is still the most well-rounded and practical, but RPG removes all that shit over there with no issue

[near vapor]

its in the adrenaline frenzy group..

[manic wolf]

And cuck yourself out of HV procs all the time? Hell noo

[obsidian crown]

it clutched the phage tree part b/c we only had 2 ppl, myself included, the other 2 HS rage quit b/c they kkept dyiing

[broken bear]

hyper crit works now yea

[obsidian crown]

so i was stuckk with a psyker

rocket cleared area for him to do tree

[supple torrent]

IIrc hypercrit doesnt feed hypervolence. And if you're melee you're running adrenaline you don't need hypercrit to oneshot human enemies

[obsidian crown]

one of the HS died 30 seconds rushiing ahead in the mission

[near vapor]

I mean its still proc on ogryn enemies

[manic wolf]

Yeah I can see it being good in event situations, I played on Coms ples with it not long back an it did well there too

[obsidian crown]

I typed "stupid" and they left

[woeful hill]

was this reconfrimed to be the case?

[manic wolf]

Hypercrit doesnt work on Ogryns?

[near vapor]

hyper violence Im referring

[manic wolf]

Oh, Well depends

If you killed an enemy with HC before hitting it, then your overflow is effectively zero

[supple torrent]

But if yuo hypercrit a mauler you lose hyperviolence into the Ogryn

[manic wolf]

Which means no impact from HV

[flat mist]

The bug was definitely happening prior to last nights hotfix. I haven't tested it yet but presumably they did actually fix it?

[woeful hill]

idk

[dreamy rover]

No tis just a scratch?

[woeful hill]

I havent played yet

[supple torrent]

And you can just heavy the Mauler and delete him without hypercrit

[flat mist]

Same, been sleeping and at work

[manic wolf]

Didnt feel like I needed it an I wanted other stuff

[supple torrent]

Hypercrit just feels like easy melee damage for gun scum.

[flat mist]

Has anyone actually tested if hypercrit and precision violence work together?

[manic wolf]

Thats kinda what it is, and depending on your weapon, you might still get more value out of HV

[supple torrent]

Gamble with my 40+crit and delete the mauler.

[normal wedge]

i think im finally gettting the hang of hs, but damn i still suck at melee hs

that debuff at the end of rampage always gets me

[bronze glade]

Been running both on shivs

[broken bear]

how do you tell if a hit is a crit again

with the healthbar mod

[bronze glade]

Uh orange damage numbers

[flat mist]

Run the stam on dodge talent if you're really struggling post rampage. Invalidates half the issue

[bronze glade]

Or was it yellow

Idk i just use the damage numbers mod

[flat mist]

PV seems to be working OK then?

[bronze glade]

That's very clear

[normal wedge]

yeah ill probably start running that, i need to fix my trees after the hotfix tho

[obsidian crown]

i genuinely feel like this class is way stronger than arbites at release, but that's just me

[bronze glade]

Im sure there's a bit of counter synergy between the two but it seems like it's a net benefit overall

And they can also help with different enemies

[flat mist]

Precision violence is the toughness talent

[high gull]

@broken bear Aye when you gonna start carrying me through these aurics

[flat mist]

I think you're thinking of hyper violence

[broken bear]

bruh

[bronze glade]

Oh yeah that's working with crit now

[obsidian crown]

rocket radius

[last cloud]

I'm about to go into no man's land does anyone have a good chem build for hive scum on damnation mode?🧐

[manic wolf]

Damage output wise, potentially, yeah, but Arb being Arb and being nigh unkillable without a truly gargantuan amount of bullshit occuring I would say made them overall more capable

[obsidian crown]

kind of but not really?

i literally almost went an entire game with 0 dmg taken

[broken bear]

oh my god the rocket is satisfying

[broken bear]

i can run 2 or so games rn

[high gull]

Damn

Always busy

[haughty slate]

that's player skill, definitely not the class... Arb was busted in the hands of a new player

[zenith ferry]

now put on the bistol with Lethal Proximity for more radius.

[manic wolf]

Yeah, but you can do that on any class, the point is that no matter which way you cut it, Scummer is not tanky like Arb. Being a good player doesnt factor into comparing the strengths of both characters

[broken bear]

hyper crit with riposte is cracked yea

[manic wolf]

Arb has good, but not crazy damage, but is borderline immune to a lot of the game's shennanigans, Scum just isnt. You play well until the game decides to fuck you, then, you probably die

[eternal quail]

maybe mixed horde clear solo shouldnt be such a cakewalk

[lost bear]

riposte plus float like a butterfly for 40% crit post dodge

[broken bear]

fuckin hell...

[brittle sierra]

Me with 100% crit:

[limber cradle]

I agree with the caveat most people don't seem to be able to utilize it

[lost bear]

tbf 100% crit isn't necessary for ranged because of how crits string

and on melee it's nice but kind of a pain to go out of your way to get

[trim wind]

mmm i think desperado outdmgs arby easy, but anything else would be similar most likely

[bronze glade]

HIV melee shits on arbi too

[manic wolf]

Melee Scum outdamages Arby, by a good margin too, but its not gonna be able to sustain the amount of bullshit Arb can

Its not like Arb's damage is bad tho, because it aint

[hearty mango]

Is desparado with double barrel any good? I've been trying it out and it seems so awesome in theory but I don't know if I'm feeling it. How do you guys build the DB?

[brittle sierra]

Desperado this Desperado that

Why don't you start getting desperate at finding a gf 😈

[charred bronze]

all that crit without vulture invuln makes me feel bad

but the cdr would be scrumptious

[manic wolf]

Good question, because I'm fucking sick of the bullshit I've had pulled over the years

[hearty mango]

This is actually a valid rebuttal

[ripe seal]

desperado doesn't really increase your damage output since only 1 parts of it actually buffs it, it just stupidly raises the damage floor because ammo stops being a limiting factor

[lost bear]

because I'm already in a toxic relationship with grad school

only one situationship at a time please

[obsidian crown]

Yeah I’m actually excited to try it in h40. Just hoping they don’t change anything before my friend is done with exams. I usually duo with him

[ripe seal]

volley fire has bigger potential with the range damage and weakspot bonus, but even at their best veteran still has to worry about ammo so can't go all out

[bronze glade]

Eh not entirely true

Helbore

[mighty belfry]

Tbh you really only need pickpocket for that last point

[lost bear]

I've slapped pickpocket on melee builds because I'm lurking in that cluster anyway, might as well

[ripe seal]

yeah pick pocket is the main thing that enables gun use but desperado will absolutely generate more free ammo than veteran could ever hope of doing

[mighty belfry]

Straight up. That single node nullifies any real need for ammo conservation if you pick your targets remotely well enough.

[manic wolf]

P'much

[lost bear]

and with 2 mags it's hard not to clap at least one elite

[mighty belfry]

And enables some really stupid ranged setups even without desperado.

[lost bear]

if you somehow miss everything, just go hit a mf

2 mags right back

[ripe seal]

you can afford to dump that last 20% of ammo but just make sure to leave a little bit left over for an elite/special since sometimes the game doesn't throw one for a hot second, you can burn through the 2 mags worth of akimbo smg ammo super fast and i'd much rather use that for killing them than my melee

[mighty belfry]

It's just crazy you can do it with melee at all.

[ripe seal]

i've had a few games like that, things started going bad for other reasons

[mighty belfry]

Or anything really.

[manic wolf]

Tbh it should be only on melee

[lost bear]

tbf pickpocket is a lot less oppressive on melee because you're trying to do melee things more

[ripe seal]

it'd be way more fair if only triggered with melee instead of ranged kills, it'd fit the theming more and reduce ammo uptime just slightly

[mighty belfry]

I actually disagree. I think it should only be on ranged.

[lost bear]

as in, the regen of ammunition happens on melee kill

[mighty belfry]

Because then you actually have to consider conserving a bit for an elite or specialist.

[ripe seal]

it being ranged only does mean you'd have to make sure you conserve enough ammo to make sure you can secure a kill to keep the loop going

[manic wolf]

Hmm.. True.. and if you run out, you're out till you find a pickup

[broken bear]

@high gull dude fuck bursters

[obsidian crown]

Melee is dumbest suggestion ever

[high gull]

That shit was so dog ass bro

[lost bear]

mostly I like the idea of the refresh being keyed to melee because it gets you a nice cycle back and forth where you actually have to use both weapons

[obsidian crown]

Ranged kill only but icd is how I would nerf is. How long though? Idk

[charred bronze]

my wife would be mad, probably

[obsidian crown]

15-20 icd maybe

[ripe seal]

once I slapped pickpocket in I just completely ignore using my melee as much as possible and turn my brain off, either option would require a bit more thought in playing

[broken bear]

we got diddled

[lost bear]

basically make it weapon specialist again

[high gull]

I was about to clutch bruh

[manic wolf]

There is risk of that

[mighty belfry]

Pickpocket is the needler's best friend.

[high gull]

WAS SO CLOSE

[brittle sierra]

Ok easy question to figure out if y'all know how to play scum

What is the best range weapon? 🍿

[broken bear]

i need to check if hyper crit fucks the melee regen still

[mighty belfry]

It's also the double barrels best friend.

[manic wolf]

RPG

[ripe seal]

pick pocket is everyone's best friend

[naive imp]

scum

[mighty belfry]

Double barrel is so good with pickpocket. It's dumb.

[broken bear]

dual auto imo, its fun

[bronze glade]

It's fixed

[lost bear]

good

[brittle sierra]

Well we all have our opinions IG 😞

[lost bear]

Vraks or needler tbh

[haughty slate]

Are they going to make Hyper-Critical work with ranged damage? Because if so I have a build that will break the game

[manic wolf]

Probably not

[haughty slate]

That's for the best

[umbral dagger]

The all or Nothing blessing is that Per lost Stamina?

[ripe seal]

I feel like dual pistols are the most well rounded of the gun options no matter the build so you cna kinda just slot it in

[manic wolf]

Ghad damn, this is clean

https://youtu.be/brKE9es1-Tg

[umbral dagger]

Cuss All or Nothing sounds amazing with Rampage xD

[flat mist]

Pls buff chem nades, can't kill maulers and crushers apparently

[ripe seal]

all the guns fit a nice place so it kinda just depends on what you want to have/what you need to cover

[umbral dagger]

you are crazy in rampage and then rampage drops you are still crazy

[manic wolf]

It'd be a niche use, but yeah you could probably do it

[umbral dagger]

yeah does it work per stamina bar?

[manic wolf]

I believe so

[lost bear]

per 20% IIRC

[spark gyro]

Is desperado and twin uzis the best? I'm struggling to swap off of it

[lost bear]

each chunk gives you some power

[umbral dagger]

like its not if you have 10 stamina bars you gain 80% xD

cuss 80% strenght sound bonkers

[lost bear]

cardio makes you stronk, 40k logic

[ripe seal]

I have to play around on it more but I feel like anything but the shotguns just feel great in desperado, maybe the original revolver might have problems

[vivid wedge]

What does everyone think of the talent changes, love em, hate em? I personally think they are kind of eh

[umbral dagger]

I think the swaps are amazing

[manic wolf]

I prefer old tree

[vast plover]

if you tighten the choke with blessing and talent it can snipe

[umbral dagger]

I personally love the stub pistols with Desperado

[manic wolf]

Based

[ripe seal]

really all you need for the uzis to handle fine enough is the talent

[naive imp]

im past the point where this wouldve improved my leveling, but i think the changes are good

[obsidian crown]

It’s fine mostly . Just don’t understand the logic of swapping unload with the ranged dodge perk

[manic wolf]

Stub Pistols are so fun

[naive imp]

except sticky hands is in a weird spot now

i have to go out of my way to make my hands sticky

[manic wolf]

That cost me two points and I will never not resent that

[obsidian crown]

🤷‍♂️

[lavish forge]

me ogryn picks me up and throws me

[ripe seal]

i think the node placements are better for the good ones and makes the more meh one feel worth taking even less

[brittle sierra]

Havoc 40 player right here everyone

[glacial gyro]

finally

[limber cradle]

Its fatshark, you got time. I'm amazed they did the fixes as quick as they did.

[marble flower]

So now that hyper-critical is supposedly fixed (haven't gotten to test yet myself) is it a must take perk for most builds?

[wispy belfry]

hyper critical still doesnt work on ranged tho?

[manic wolf]

Nope

[obsidian crown]

He won’t be done until end of the month. I mainly just want to test pre nerf vs post nerf so yeah hoping timing works out fine

[manic wolf]

Its for "i need more melee capability on ranged scum"

[marble flower]

What is sainted tier weaponry? Guessing that's from a mod?

[glacial gyro]

Red weapons at home, yeah

[umbral dagger]

i beleive it counts for maxed out weapons and maxed out 400+ power Curios

[marble flower]

My main HS build is a melee crowbar attack speed spam build with rampage, so I'm wondering if it might be worth it for that. The buff only being 1 second makes me think it'll only matter for hordes which I already clear well so I think it'll wind up being pointless overkill damage.

[charred bronze]

I didn't know it didn't work on ranged? Was that confirmed?

[umbral dagger]

I run a stagger crowbar rampage build and it goes so ham its crazy

[marble flower]

Ahh wait I'm confusing hyper-violence and hyper-critical again, my bad

hyper critical might actually be worth it for crowbar spam as that would make horde clear likely much faster than it already is

[manic wolf]

If you're using Hyperviolence, its not worth taking

Killing an enemy with HC results in 0 overflow damage for HV

[umbral dagger]

Is hyper violence good? it seems kinda eh?

maybe im underestemating it

[wispy belfry]

per kuli is is, but hotfix may have changed it

[ripe seal]

huh, I forgot the devil claws got impact blessings, I don't know the exact numbers but I'm sure its probably the best option for raw stagger

[manic wolf]

Its cracked

One of Scummer's strongest talents

[dull dagger]

It kinda feels like all new weapons work well with scum. Personally I either run duel auto-pistols + crowbar or more often shivs + needle gun. One option for hordes, one option for heavies

[marble flower]

Currently using neither hyperviolence or hypercritical, but after the patch remapping the talent tree I have a couple points to spare I didn't before

[charred bronze]

I just used 'em together with a taxe adrenaline build and it was great fun. Hyper-violence boost seemed to enable more Hyper-critical procs

[low harbor]

@sand tendon do u hav scoreboard for last 2 games

[umbral dagger]

Really?!? why? 25% of the overkill damage right?

[ripe seal]

hyper vilolence can add up to tons of free bonus damage, probably enough to enable 1 shots in hordes no matter the weapon and probably helping alot with mixed hordes

[umbral dagger]

or am i misreading it

[sand tendon]

sure let me relog

do u want them just pasted here or dm'd

[marble flower]

Howso? I'm trying to understand the argument for it but its a buff that only lasts 1 second, so won't it only really ever matter in hordes, which you can already handle easily anyway?

[manic wolf]

Which stacks per enemy hit, so for example, if you have an axe with Brutal momentum and one shot four guys, 25% of that overkill, for each dude, is added DURING that swing

[umbral dagger]

Oooohy

it stacks

[ripe seal]

and for 1 second afterwards which means your next swing or two depending on the weapon

[manic wolf]

Yeah... so you can mulch the fuck out out of elite mobs and bosses really easily

[umbral dagger]

i run crowbar

but it has a ton of strenght and cleave

[charred bronze]

helps with quick elite kills in mixed hordes

[umbral dagger]

All or Nothing is crazy with Rampage

[ripe seal]

the heavy sword with the nice light-heavy combo can probably get even better use out of it

[sturdy linden]

what would it take for people to stop shooting hordes in the event....

[manic wolf]

Like with Chainsword I can just mash left click into a group of stacked up ragers and they wilt like flowers that have been pissed on by cyanide, its glorious

[marble flower]

Ohhhhh okay I think I'm getting it now, its not just 25% of a single overkill, but then that buffed swing hits another enemy and kills them with even more damage, which further buffs the next hit... am I understanding this correctly because if I am, as long as there's more chaff to whack within a second you can keep stacking this infinitely?

[ripe seal]

doing light heavy chains has really made me appreciate the cleaver even more, it just shreds through hordes which actually does alot for refreshing my stim through sample collector, even with all points invested into it

[lyric shuttle]

Anyone have any good havoc 40 builds

[broken bear]

@high gull outperformed by a lvl 27 </3

[manic wolf]

Pretty much yeah, but Hypercritical (becuase it insta-kills the enemy) results in zero overkill damage being added to your HV proc, which makes it a bit sub-par for getting the most out of HV

An with a slower weapon, that 0 damage overflow, can outright kill your HV proc

[high gull]

Run it back goofball

[broken bear]

run it

[umbral dagger]

i outperform level 30s on a regular bases even tho i havent hit it yet. dw about.

[broken bear]

wtf this was story???

[haughty slate]

Is the Booby Trap build any good or is it more of just a meme?

[marble flower]

Thanks for the heads up! Hate when perks are anti-synergistic, so I guess I can just go with violence and pass on critical then. Now to find something for my last point

[high gull]

Yeah that caught me off guard aswell

[broken bear]

im making fun of argus

[umbral dagger]

D:

[wise sorrel]

does cooldown reduction stim work on the stim box? so I can drop it and the cooldown reduction will affect when I can drop it again?

[broken bear]

cuz i did better lol

[elder needle]

atonement event in pubs

why is everyone dead all the time?

[high gull]

Actual decent rewards from mission complete?

Hello?

[marble flower]

Anyone think targeted toxin is worth taking? (Enemies infected with chem toxin deal -15% damage, -30% if its a monstronsity)

[haughty slate]

Honestly the cooldown reduction tree is horrible. It doesn't lower its own cooldown. Just the ability.

[broken bear]

@high gull lemme fix a gun up rq

[wise sorrel]

yes but will it reduce the cooldown of the stim box

[haughty slate]

worth it in higher levels with a lot of monstronsities if you're dealing chem damage

[wise sorrel]

?

[ripe seal]

now that stims with the box works properly, I think the booby trap set up on the box is needed a bit less to get value from it but I think the set up is still reallygood for allowing you and your team to be more mobile rather than having to stand in the box, and for giving more of a reason to spam out the box

[haughty slate]

yes, only the stim box... but the stim box by itself is trash

[dense hollow]

i dont think its worth the point

[manic wolf]

Probably very good in Havoc and with the event modifier, but probbaly not worth it if you're not doing exclusively those things

[wise sorrel]

ah does it not give cdr stim if the stim itself is still on cooldown?

[haughty slate]

nope, it only affects the crate... which is why it sucks 🙁

[wise sorrel]

yea that does suck

[umbral dagger]

CDR is decent for the other 2 builds but i feel like its kinda mediocre

[ripe seal]

with sample collector and the node to instantly refresh the box once ther stim is off cooldown, the cooldown reduction from dependancy is kinda pointless so you're mostly investing into the other nodes, but in the case that the case goes off cooldown before the stim, it ends up being nice to throw an extra one down just for the poison

[umbral dagger]

I prefer Wildfire and Spur

[marble flower]

Wait a sec, did they change this? Wasn't it stim cooldown before? If this is your ability cooldown then I have to take this, with this I could stay in rampage almost permanently

[elder needle]

always been like that

[ripe seal]

its the same, cartel special is just the nme of the stim

since its a class feature

[marble flower]

Oh, thats confusing. Stim is stim

[umbral dagger]

Cartel special = Stim

[broken bear]

ARGUS I GOT A GOD ROLL @high gull LMAO

[high gull]

On jah?

[haughty slate]

Any Booby Trap build testers know if it's any good or if it's just a meme?

[broken bear]

i just came

'

[ripe seal]

i don't think the booby trap is bad, but despite all the bonuses your get from the chem and poison stuff Ithink you still feel being more of a support build t han a full offensive one

[broken bear]

hold up imma roll my shiv too

[high gull]

Ain't that some shit

[umbral dagger]

I like your way of language there UwU

[versed spruce]

The problem with it is that if you're infecting things with toxin, they're most likely already going to die soon

[broken bear]

dont be weird fuckwit

[versed spruce]

So it's very conditional -15% damage on the enemies that are least likely to damage you

[unreal stirrup]

or just move

that node genuinely suck

[broken bear]

LOL ARGUS I GOT ROLLED MY SHIVS TOO

[ripe seal]

the reduce damage from toxin mostly comes up with ogryns and bosses, maybe maulers if you don't have a good weapon to rend their helmets, its nice to have but I understand if someone does skip on it

[mortal hearth]

quick go buy a relic, 17% toughness in the store right now for hive scum

[obsidian crown]

Not how that works

[versed spruce]

Everyones' shops are personalized pretty sure

[broken bear]

fucking SEX

[haughty slate]

my curio rolls have been so shit for so long

[versed spruce]

Except for CV ofc

[ripe seal]

scum doesn't get the most amount of reduction so any source is appreciated, reducing damage in general means it reduces damage toboth health and not just toughness, and you can combine it with the potential 15/20% toughness resistance from dependancy and brawler to get a fair amount of bulk

15/30% resistance on its only is only alright but you're not just running it on its own

[mortal hearth]

well that sucks if its true, just tried to help =/ - at least I got two 17% tough relics and one with 3 stam now

[versed spruce]

On a toxin spam build only, I would recommend it

Outside of that, a build with just some toxin here and there I wouldn't recommend

[flat mist]

It’s not a good node, man. Does it even save you from crusher overheads? What about maulers at one wound? Most of the time it’s ranged enemies, specials or a random horde enemy getting a lucky hit in that kills you. It’s so rarely going to do anything, it’s not worth it.

Take an extra node above your auras or something

[ripe seal]

i don't think the 20% damage resistance from hive city brawler is enough to let you survive all of that either on its own, but again you can combine lots of these talents together and probably be able to tank those hits

[versed spruce]

I don't think it's productive to see things in black and white
Enduring Faith and Stalwart from Zealot tree don't save you from crusher overheads but they are easily among the most cracked resistance sources in the game

[vast plover]

if you want reduction you'd need to get it in the talents above rampage and with precision violence

[umbral dagger]

what mod you using to get the better explanations on the discriptions

[vast plover]

your stim also has toughness reduc option

[umbral dagger]

I woudl love that one

[young herald]

hmm, so I noticed something. I do believe chain weapon rip kills aren't counting for blackout grenade regen as well as adrenaline stacks

[bronze glade]

Twenty percent damage resistance is a lot

[young herald]

but only in live games, not the psykhanium

[vast plover]

ranged enemies are buffed since patch tho so don't expect to be invulnerable

[dense hollow]

this is just the game hating you, chain weapon rip kills havent triggered kill effects on other classes either for the longest time

[spark gyro]

What is everyone's most favourite build ATM?

[flat mist]

I gave more than one angle on why it’s not good. That’s not black and white thinking.

[umbral dagger]

Crowbar Strength Stagger Rampage build
Or Heavy Crit Poison build on a DevilClaw

[vast plover]

toughness reduction above rampage with chem dependency

[flat mist]

Also black and white thinking means, for eg, thinking everything falls into Good or Bad and that there’s no in-between.

[vast plover]

and any ability is good with that

[ripe seal]

I like each of the main 3 builds alot, desperado probably the most for fun faction and fair easiness to pilot

[vast plover]

not seeing scums stim is a problem

[vivid wedge]

I just figured out hive city brawler at least on desperado is the difference between instantly dying to pox bomber on havoc 30+ or it just hurting you like other characters lmao

[young herald]

yeah, I understand why, it's just weird

oh well, not gonna get fixed anytime soon I suppose

[vast plover]

with this patch i'd even get corruption resist + poxburster resist

cuz there's too many poxburst sandwich moments pinballing around

[ripe seal]

I'm not saying targeted toxin is an S tier must take talent, but it has a fair use case

15% resistance in day to day combat is nothing to scoff at and there's plenty of other things you can add onto it to make stand out more

[winter galleon]

After playing today really like the new rocket but it still pales compared to chem

[broken bear]

idk the name

inventory stats?

[high gull]

Run that scoreboard

[obsidian crown]

Rocket is better than chem for me if you know how to aim it for maximum efficiency

[broken bear]

u were lower

</3

[high gull]

Rocket spamming ass bum

Were did you even find all them damn grenade recharges

[ripe seal]

with the amount of times i've been finding myself screwed by crusher hordes, I can see a pivot to the rocket being nice

[broken bear]

wait

argus

[winter galleon]

I play with friends and told them to just point out every grenade

[broken bear]

which were u

oh fuck u

purg psyker

[high gull]

regulus

[broken bear]

dawg idk

i only used 3 rockets

[high gull]

most dmg

[manic wolf]

rocket gud

[broken bear]

i hate the delay

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-fuck-fucked-get-fucked-fallout-new-vegas-gif-568499856954385743

[obsidian crown]

I take the extra blitz node

[broken bear]

WHAT

[high gull]

I love how I can just fucking low effort arby and still mog dmg

[high gull]

Truly a balanced class

[sinful matrix]

classic leux

[high gull]

Fucken arby shotgun into a horde

Just stacking dmg

[broken bear]

wow

they banned both

[high gull]

Mogged in kills and dmg

That's wild

[broken bear]

@spiral horizon 1984 turkish man

[high gull]

Arby weak

Pls buff arby

[vast plover]

low key it has massive cleave even with the choked version

[flat mist]

Bro run the uptime mod and have a look at how low the uptime on toxin mania is. If that node isn’t very effective imagine how bad targeted toxin is

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[high gull]

That's why I fucking love it so much

Oh hey

A pack of ragers

Yeah fuck them

[broken bear]

argus run the fuckin mission

[vast plover]

like im watching things just drop dead around it from its aura

[high gull]

I crashed

One sec

That shit is funny tho

If I really wanna just be a scoreboard snob

[sharp drum]

i experienced a bug with hivescum where I was forced to hold the stim crate and couldn't unequip it

[high gull]

Just swap to arby

[near vapor]

chat I caved

[high gull]

Instant win

[ripe seal]

yeah i got murdered earlier with that same bug

[woeful hill]

do you have mods

[near vapor]

I bought the Ogryn Krieger..

[umbral dagger]

I think i found it already on my own but thanks its Enhanced Descriptions atleast from what i can see

[sharp drum]

yes

[obsidian crown]

Ah I forgot to check slop shop when I got on. Oh well

[woeful hill]

gurenteed ability use?

[sharp drum]

no

[woeful hill]

or any of the guaranteed mods

[sharp drum]

no

[woeful hill]

nevermind then

[broken bear]

iyea i dont even know whats in my modlist lowk

[umbral dagger]

Nah its a bug they fixed in the last patch i remember reading it. I had the same issue.

[broken bear]

i just fix it whenver theres an update

[obsidian crown]

Do you have the guaranteed win mod?

[sharp drum]

the one that bugs the game out and makes you unkillable? yes

[umbral dagger]

Tho i did have Garantee Ability use so i asumed it was also caused by that but the update fixes it xD even with Guarantee

[ripe seal]

despite what they said I still ran into that bug anyway

[obsidian crown]

No. It just skips you to end of mission screen when you spawn in. Guaranteed win.

[spiral horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/turkiye-patriot-turkish-turkey-flag-gif-10050665577511038801

[sharp drum]

lmao

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-turkiye-kaan-ozdil-car-gif-19334563

🇹🇷 🐺

[spiral horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/kaan-turkish-gif-17821339729161535224

[broken bear]

actual pic of young incan

[spiral horizon]

I could never gain that much weight

[near vapor]

why is bro jiggy widit

[spiral horizon]

I'm eating like 4 meals a day and 2 smaller meals just to stay steady at not-underweight

[manic wolf]

Bruh I stg... I get in a lobby and before the third room I have like 200K damage and the rest of the team has killed like 6 dudes. What is going on in Auric today?

[obsidian crown]

I enjoy these games

More kills for me

[azure mist]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-türkiye-gif-2910338720357160240

[manic wolf]

Up to a point, but back to back to back, not so much

[tender marten]

man psyker truly is busted

[hot nexus]

[tender marten]

also i am like, 50hrs into a 120+hr battle of stalingrad exhaustive documentary. did you guys know the battle of stalingrad ....... fucking sucked?

[near vapor]

I cant say that I have

[tender marten]

maximum suckage, even

[worn gull]

I dunno I always thought it looked like a good time, bit of a vacation

[jovial violet]

Are mk1 shivs just better then mk3

I like mk3 moveset more

[worn gull]

the rebar shivs are the best ones

[tender marten]

i would love to write a poignant story of a german soldier marching through the russian plains straight into their own coffin but i dunno how i would do that without quietly making their deaths a martyrdom, cause fuck nazis

[high gull]

Where baklava

[near vapor]

better ST damage

[broken bear]

RUN ONE MORE

[near vapor]

for mk1 at least

[broken bear]

I NEED TO WIN

[high gull]

YOU LEFT THE TEAM

[spiral horizon]

I love how that guy pretended he wasn't roided as fuck

[spiral horizon]

got lokum atm instead

[high gull]

What

[spiral horizon]

turkish delight

[jovial violet]

Spamming heavy on bosses better? was just spamming lights on mk3 and it was melting

[high gull]

Is it like taffy

[near vapor]

oh I like the mk3 too more

[tender marten]

they all say this until they die of natural causes at 42

[near vapor]

I just spam push attack > heavies for ST damage

[spiral horizon]

nah it's not chewy, it's more melt in the mouth

and it's fragrant

[karmic bear]

Got a question Folks. I am having a hard time figuring out how to get to max Chemical Dependency stacks fot the penance. I do not know what I am doing wrong. Any ideas how to best this one?

[tender marten]

can just make a stim recipe with really low cooldown and spam it

[obtuse forge]

Each stack of chem dependency lasts 90 seconds iirc. So you need to keep up your stimm intake.

[karmic bear]

I am suing Kalma and Wildfire so I'm not sure what else to do

using

[dense hollow]

if you use less points in the stimm tree you get a faster cooldown on the stimm

[tender marten]

the cooldown in the stim does not affect the stim itself

[karmic bear]

Ok so just use the Kalma tree?

[dense hollow]

just use a single tree of your choice and use it whenever it's off cooldown

[lost bear]

I like how two very separate cultures produced mochi-esque foods from different directions

[karmic bear]

Alright I will give it a try

[mighty belfry]

Damn, what did Kalma and Wildfire do to warrant legal action?

[karmic bear]

Ikr? LOL

Trust me, I feel like litigation is necessary!

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-breaking-bad-saul-goodman-jimmy-mcgill-bob-odenkirk-gif-2092653457981477968

[karmic bear]

or I am just old and slow......which is probable

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sixseven-six-seven-six-seve-67-gif-14143337669032958349

[mighty belfry]

It's okay. I'm turning into a fine dust too, bud.

[karmic bear]

Geezers Unite!

Lemme try this again. thanks for the help Folks!

[spiral horizon]

TRUE

god I love mochi too

[next cedar]

well

last i heard about lesnar

hes a farmer

[near vapor]

6 7 🤪

[charred bronze]

is this crazy? Wasting a talent node to get an extra Boom Bringer rocket?

[manic wolf]

Game is rally starting to piss me off

[charred bronze]

would be giving up Precision Violence and Float Like a Butterfly in a despacito build

[bronze glade]

Doesn't sound like a waste to me

[manic wolf]

3 silent snipers in the last game. Crashed after dying to the third one, crashed again second I rejoin lobby ¬.¬

[charred bronze]

I rarely melee with that build, but I might miss the crit

[marble flower]

With the buff do we think boom bringer beats chem nades now for a ranged autopistol build?

[manic wolf]

I would take it over Chem Nade yeah

[charred bronze]

crushers are scums worst target. I think having the ability to instantly delete a pack is extremely compelling.

[bronze glade]

Rocket seems a bit too good now tbh lol

[charred bronze]

they probably won't retune it soon though, so might as well eat while the feast is on

[manic wolf]

Eh, idt its overdone

Its a fucking bazooka

[charred bronze]

at least, at top difficulties. The area control from the chem nade is probably more valuable at lower difficulties (where big crusher packs are rare), and situationally better

[hot moth]

rocket and chem do very different things, both are legit now

[broken bear]

@high gull im gonna cry myself to sleep now

[hot moth]

chem bails you out of hyperconcentration and ragers

[tender marten]

rocket go boom

[hot moth]

boombringer bails you out of crusher/bulwark

[high gull]

That was such a shit show

[charred bronze]

woulda saved a run I was just in as a matter of fact.

[spiral horizon]

how they struggle when I'm not there to carry them 🚬

[high gull]

Somebody kick him in the left ankle

[charred bronze]

got pincered by crusher/bulwark packs early in the mission and nobody had tools to take them down quick

chem nade was too slow

a rocket or two woulda cleaned up

[hot moth]

both situations are lethal to any build

you can argue that an autopistol build can generally shoot its way out of a trash+ragers pack but that's really not often the case if you walk into a bad spawn

or if you're trying to save a teammate after he gets nettted and downed into the middle of it

[charred bronze]

chem nade is definitely better there

[hot moth]

yeah, you need to use a blitz in that situation period

boombringer blows up everything, but only once, so it won't kill any followups and continue to provide protection

while chem grenade doesn't do appreciable short-term damage to ogyrns

[karmic bear]

Alright, just finished a train run. The Stimmed penance didn't get a single second progression due to not being able to get to max stacks. For the life of me I cannot figure this crap out! Is it just bugged? Does anyone here have it finished?

[hot moth]

not being able to get max stacks

build a 1-node stim, 15 second CD

[candid flint]

Not me. Im just that good. I have yet to die ever in darktide

Or take damage

[hot moth]

foolproof

[karmic bear]

Yeah all i have is just Kalma

[hot moth]

Did you fill the tree, or literally just take 1 node?

[karmic bear]

filled

[hot moth]

no

literally just take one node.

Your stim CD should be 15 seconds

[obtuse forge]

Just use one, comrade. It’ll make your life easier.

[karmic bear]

will do

[charred bronze]

tox build eludes me. I was messing around with it, but I don't grok it yet. Crate has a way shorter cooldown than stimm, so the best use case I could figure out was stack cooldown and strength, and just toss out 5 sec/15 sec buffs with the crate way more often than you'd be able to use the stimm

[hot moth]

you -can- get greedy and build a longer CD stim and rely on Sample Collector kills to bring it down, but if you're just achievement hunting, don't bother

[hot moth]

at higher difficulties even a 75 second stim should be getting a CD More like 25-35 seconds due to Sample collector

[karmic bear]

alright, one nade, 3% viscosity. Gonna try again

node

[hot moth]

you should be killing a gorillion enemies and that should be bringing your stim CD down

[charred bronze]

I was just screwing around in psychanium so I wasn't getting the full effect. I try to understand what I'm doing as much as possible before getting into a run.

That's good to know though

[sturdy linden]

I tried using Shredder Pistol and it just felt worse than uzis

swapped to uzis and did this

[charred bronze]

uzis are way better than the shredder imo

never liked it, even waaaay back in the day near release when it was meta

[sturdy linden]

huh, found a 21% hp curio at Brunt

those are really rare

[dense hollow]

i think fully invested stimm would be best on the stimm box, might aswell compensate the fact you didn't take your dps oriented abilities by letting yourself and your team supernova in key moments

if theres blight gas you should run smaller probably

[hot moth]

it has less burst dps on trash but it kills maniacs insanely well (muties mostly) and reloads more quickly and less often

which is important for maintaining vulture's dodge

[sturdy marsh]

How does brauto do on a desperado build?

[hot moth]

on top of it having ramping crit as a blessing (DAPs don't) meaning vulture's dodge becomes even more consistent

[sturdy linden]

the clip size is the same as the uzis though...

[hot moth]

agri brauto has high stagger and doesn't force you to swap to melee to push bursters and such, but much worse accuracy and overall dps

[sturdy linden]

oh you were using Cavalcade? I was using Blaze + Pinning

[hot moth]

ROF is slower on the shredder which is actually a good thing in many situations as it means you don't 'overshoot' trash

like there's a sweetspot I feel on ROF where you go from 'higher = more damage = better' to 'okay that's just making me waste ammo unless I dedicate more mental resources to tap firing individual poxwalkers'

lower ROF, faster reloads = more time spent "shooting" which maintains vulture's dodge

worse paper dps is your tradeoff

[torn ember]

What perks are people running on dual pistols/autos?

[sturdy linden]

hmmm

so it's a more defensive pick

[sturdy linden]

Blaze Away + Speedload

[hot moth]

and you'll feel it when dumping into reapers or bosses

[cyan herald]

so whats the best weapons for scum? im kind of leaning toward Dual Revolvers and either CB or Crowbar

[sturdy linden]

oh wait

pistols

[torn ember]

Those are blessings

[sturdy linden]

I can't read

sorry

[torn ember]

[sturdy linden]

Ogryn main moment

[hot moth]

but, when clearing hordes of shooters/gunners, you maintain vulture's dodge hilarious consistently

and you can deliberately play around your reload more easily as opposed to having to constnatly drop vulture's because DAPs blew through your magazine in like 1.5 seconds

oh, the crit blessing also gives you better carapace damage unbuffed... although this is generally not something you want to be doing

[torn ember]

I'm feeling like Flak/Elites for the pistols and flak/maniac for the autos but I'm not sure

[charred bronze]

I have flak and unyielding. I use other stuff for carapace

[hot moth]

because crits are how you get the majority of your damage into carapace

(it's not GOOD but if you run healthbars mod and you see a reaper on its last legs you can actually kill it with shredder, DAPs meanwhile bounce off for like no damage)

[sturdy marsh]

Is it worth it to use the stubs on desperado? Or focus on high fire rate weapons?

[torn ember]

That sounds good, thanks

[hot moth]

do not use stub pistols with desperado, they're a middle-ground weapon kinda that way

[charred bronze]

I guess there's an argument for crit over flak?

[hot moth]

do not skip flak on any weapon ever

lol

plasma gunners, elite gunners, maulers, flak rager limbs/head

[torn ember]

Needle Pistol:

[charred bronze]

lol

[torn ember]

[hot moth]

okay needle pistol is an exception lol

fucking needle pistol

[torn ember]

Good old needle pistol

[hot moth]

every time I think to myself "huh maybe that special/gunner living for a few seconds after I shoot it makes this weapon not that great"

THen I clear 4 crushers while yawning

[charred bronze]

I skip flak on a lot of weapons that don't need it tbh. relic blade, taxe, shivs

[manic wolf]

Ye im done with DT for this evening. Too many silent specials and too much lag to be enjoyable

[torn ember]

Shivs I feel like can get away with Unyielding/Carapace, yeah

the bleed and hyper critical kill most flak stuff fast enough

[drifting heron]

This game is so chill when you play with 2-3 other good people

[charred bronze]

though usually when I drop flak I end up taking +elites

[manic wolf]

At least when it works properly it is

[manic wolf]

Think I've only ever taken that on Boltgun tbh

[charred bronze]

oh, actually I'm dumb. I have flak on my rb

[fast gust]

'Reginald & play testers
Why are these guys so turbo toxic?
How are they still in their position despite ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the community?'

[manic wolf]

Tanner alt?

[fast gust]

steam discussion has been hit by the first wave

[somber frigate]

[fast gust]

Nah just more folk thst only consume content from one source

[charred bronze]

I watch zero DT streamers/ytubers. What's all the drama lately?

[mint fable]

Anyone tried out vigilant autogun with hivescum?

[manic wolf]

Yeah, ok there bud. The playtesters are in here pretty frequently and you'd be hard pressed to call them toxic. And Reginald of all people? Like you fr?

[sturdy linden]

it's not "lately" it keeps happening with every patch. Just that this patch somebody actually responded to the toxic whiner with a shutdown

and obviously he lost it

[hot moth]

Vigilant auto is like the most "boring" gun ever

It shoots enemy rifles and specials, has good ammo economy for it, it does its job as a rifle should lol

[drifting heron]

Its just a dmr

[mint fable]

Got a build?

[hot moth]

You can use it on a melee build and it'll do just fine

Desperado needs more raw DPS, don't take it there

[karmic bear]

Alright, Friends! Thanks for the help with the Stimmed penance. Worked great! You guys are a little bit of alright! Peace!

[hot moth]

you don't really build around the vigilant lol

The biggest thing is if you're going to play melee scum, take the goddamn needle pistol

[drifting heron]

It'd be a good sniper alternative if it scum didn't have Needler

[mint fable]

Lol

[hot moth]

it's new, it's shiny, and it's also stupid powerful

[obtuse forge]

Good to hear, friend. Go on now, you are free of this penance.

[mint fable]

I need to grind needle pistol for the mastery

[broken bear]

Literally

Styled my hair tho

[hot moth]

it works out of the box, don't even need power/damage on it

[broken bear]

So am happy now 🫩

[karmic bear]

Getting there!

[hot moth]

find a grey with a halfway decent ammo roll for at least 5 needles in mag? not sure if it can tank to 3-4

works with no perks and blessings

[spark gyro]

IT'S HEADHUNTER IT'S HEADHUNTER IT'S HEADHUNTER

[hot moth]

It's pretty stupid

[manic wolf]

Needler is the most unique gun we've had for a while

Though tbh, so are the dualies, both of em

[fast gust]

It's official Cole, you and every single tester is evil and toxic

[spark gyro]

cOLE, I need you to buff the bonesaw's attack speed

[drifting heron]

Do it yourself

You have 3 really good sources

[manic wolf]

I concurr, Bonesaw too slow

[broken bear]

Just

Get rlly drunk

It’ll look super fast

[manic wolf]

Shh, I'll do it tommorow

[unkempt tide]

its just obvious bait

[broken bear]

Do it now

Fuckin pint of four loko

[manic wolf]

No, I have no beer in the fridge

[spark gyro]

fuck you mean mfin "sources" do I look like Google Scholar

[broken bear]

DoorDash it tf

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27298015

perish

[manic wolf]

I live in the middle of buttfuck nowhere's arsehole

[drifting heron]

Swift Endurance
Rampage
Adrenaline Surge

[spark gyro]

[broken bear]

Where

[spark gyro]

Those don't look academic

[fast gust]

Don't forget your stims!

Stims for all!

[manic wolf]

Far enough away noone is gonna drop me beer

[drifting heron]

YOU don't look academic

[fast gust]

You never know racoons can be trained

[pulsar cape]

how we feeling about the talent location changes?

[manic wolf]

I dont have racoons in my country, unfortunately

[analog hazel]

new bug i just encountered during my first scum mission of the night

[fast gust]

[analog hazel]

i just met a rapid fire trapper

[drifting heron]

It made scum even better which was not needed

[marble flower]

Good, it freed up a few points that I was forced to spend on things I didn't really want

[spark gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414880778441199626/1443524874088747008/fuckyouslenderman.gif

[manic wolf]

I dont like the new tree, but most people do so 🤷‍♂️

[spark gyro]

I want the uhhh all the good talents at the top so I can just beeline down once I get everything

[fast gust]

Steam claims that testers are clueless and scammed the scum sale by promoting it as something it isn't, it's a bad selfish class that only steals, has no ammo economy, dies instantly and doesn't deal damage

According to steam reviews and discussions

[drifting heron]

Ok

Cool

[fast gust]

33% mostly negative

The majority has spoken

[placid drum]

Shockingly it actually gave me 1 more extra talent point to put where i please with the new layout for my rampage build

[fast gust]

Elitists in shambles!

[glad latch]

They're great.

[placid drum]

So i picked up the lasting stims so +5 more seconds on stims with my melee build

[spark gyro]

Steam forum users when they realize that they can't use two talents and W+M1 the entire map with a stagger weapon

Lexrot

[marble flower]

To be fair this is the way the vast majority of hive scum players, at least in pubs, are playing. I too hated the class until I grasped how to build it and play it. It's less about skill imo and more about knowing exactly what perks are good vs bad, the ones that are neccesary to keep the class from being a glass cannon that dies if it gets so much as sneezed on.

[mint fable]

Im loving the new rockets

[low harbor]

Post-buff rockets super gud

Basically og nuke but better and u get 3 of them

[marble flower]

I still gotta try buffed rockets, if they're the answer to carapace now I'll love them as you can easily mow down everything else

[drifting heron]

Yeah I just played a game with someone running them

[glad latch]

The rocket launcher feels really good to use now, great for deleting those sudden elite swarms you simply don't want to deal with.

[drifting heron]

They got to steal every grenade on the map and nuke whatever they wanted

[low harbor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1259187493266395178/1448044599317893251/3F38621.MP4?ex=6939d41f&is=6938829f&hm=0db94550ad799e17312c49f93704f8550f5d4dd2046928fbbec7a1cc8f1137e0&

[hot moth]

not just carapace, bulwarks

however their damage is calculated it just doesn't care about bulwark shields

[main wagon]

Steam discussions is where sane thoughts go to die

[hot moth]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lFOyDGoazVPjNdS4M?invite=cr-MSw5ZW0sNDg2MDU3NTU&v=21

[marble flower]

0 sec duration clip lol, think something went wrong

[fast gust]

Barrel incident coming up

[low harbor]

Wait for it to load

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-jump-rocket-jump-the-rocket-jump-gif-10356223

[marble flower]

Ahh my bad. And damn rocket fucks now huh, its the ogryn nuke but you can aim it and shoot it exactly where you want it

[hot moth]

the blast radius on rocket is HUGE now

[high gull]

@spiral horizon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgswDy8PMAA

Get out of my youtube feed

[hot moth]

"I simply do not want to deal with these 4+ bulwarks" button

[obtuse forge]

It got the Helldivers 2 500KG treatment. Started somewhat underwhelming but full of potential, and then was promptly buffed to being very fun and strong.

[main wagon]

Now actually kills all the bulwarks in a group, it’s peak

[glad latch]

I think Ogryn frag might need a buff now tbh. Let him carry 2 frags.

[broken bear]

Just tip more

[random shuttle]

Goood Morning Tertium'nam!

It's a beautiful day to murder heretics!

[manic wolf]

No.

[main wagon]

Ogryn players are already taking one for us by just playing slab. I say give them another boomba

[spiral horizon]

you should watch his Halva video as well

[main wagon]

Massive meaty bullet shield

[spiral horizon]

and his Pilaf video

[marble flower]

What perks for dual autopistols?

[high gull]

See I might get flak for this

But I can't see the appeal of pilaf

Like who willingly eats rice with raisins in it

What am I missing here

[random shuttle]

Same. He is just a small blue dude with big ego.

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-pilaf-dragon-ball-pilaf-polite-asking-gif-11326157719207919735

[spiral horizon]

it's legit good

fruit and rice goes together pretty fuckin well

[broken bear]

Me

It’s gas

[hot moth]

it SHOULDN'T be the same kind of rice as the kind served with savory dishes, staple-dish style

[broken bear]

Rice pudding w cherries is fire

[hot moth]

it's as different as 'flour' in brownies versus bread

or gravy lol

[high gull]

How are you younger than me but have the taste buds of a 60 yr old grandma

Rice pudding

Oh my lort

[mighty belfry]

Wtf is wrong with rice pudding

I've had some bomb rice pudding before

[high gull]

I can't believe I'm in enemy territory

[mighty belfry]

When I lived in New York, I'd usually get a halal chicken over rice from the deli near me. I had the odd request of asking for blueberries and raisins on the grill with the chicken when they made it.

[broken bear]

Bitch I’ve ate more food than you 😭

I like sweets

And cherries and rice pudding is sweet

[mighty belfry]

They ended up literally making that an item on their menu

[high gull]

[spiral horizon]

bro is channeling his inner british rn oml

[mighty belfry]

Savory sweet is a taste signature of a refined pallete 🙂‍↕️

[full birch]

I was told that there was a bug that made it so that reload speed doesn't affect dual autopistols. Is that still in the game?

[high gull]

The disrespect

[broken bear]

Variety of food you barrel chested bitch

[drifting heron]

Apples on things

[mighty belfry]

also

https://gyazo.com/58139107332fa823f6dded2ec2a6874a

B-BUT GUYS, HIVE SCUM IS SO MUCH EFFORT FOR SO LITTLE RETURN

GUYS

HIVE SCUM IS BAD GUYS

[high gull]

You think I'm built like Elon?

On god ?

[drifting heron]

Yes

[spiral horizon]

look ik americans are tastebud-rotted on methyl cellulose, guar gum and carrageenan but you gotta understand real food is pretty good

[high gull]

Unseasoned food upon all of you

[spiral horizon]

mango curry goes fucking hard

[drifting heron]

Yes

It does

[mighty belfry]

OH HELL YA

[drifting heron]

Curry in general is just the shit

Favorite stew

[mighty belfry]

Mango curry is the bomb dude

[broken bear]

Yes

[spiral horizon]

me when I'm blowing up a giant balloon and it drains back into me

[broken bear]

Lamb Rogan Josh and Karahi my beloved

[tight rock]

is nimble talent still bugged to REDUCE dodge time

[mighty belfry]

Someone was saying it was

[sturdy linden]

I really love playing support scum

[mighty belfry]

I honestly don't feel it

[mighty belfry]

That scoreboard I posted earlier

[tight rock]

I'm stankminge