hivescum-class

[manic wolf]

I miss when the beta helmet from Ogryn was able to be bugged onto human characters 😄

[loud herald]

was it super big or scaled down

[manic wolf]

It was massive

[calm aurora]

that is what I use

[loud herald]

sounds poggers

[rancid coral]

Vraks is actually really funny for Havoc

I was sniping all special, dumping on hordes, destroying bosses

It was crazy

Feels dirty

Rework pickpocket 💔

[limber cradle]

I might start running vraks now that Sticky is out of the way

[low harbor]

I like how the new class's best weapons are actually just rashad and v5 iag

[loud herald]

also is it ever actually worth putting points into more stuff besides CDR in your stim for a melee build

[manic wolf]

Reminds me, I need to roll a Vigilant for Despy Scummer an see what thats like

[rancid coral]

Haven't tried rashad on this guy yet

[manic wolf]

Space AN-94 could be funny

[rancid coral]

But oh boy vraks was crazy

[low harbor]

it's brainrot tier strong
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1448001920437321919/6F087A1.MP4?ex=6939ac60&is=69385ae0&hm=2b00961ec2c8a7123906940aaf583cdbec9265ecd97e8195df7f7830de5cac2c&

[shadow umbra]

FATSHARK BRING BACK HAVING NO SHIRT

[hidden thunder]

Ooo

[manic wolf]

They did with Scum 😄

[hidden thunder]

Actually makes rashad look fun lol

[main elm]

Is there a havoc build with needle pistol spam to spread toxin under desperado or is it just a terrible idea ?

[manic wolf]

I still dont think Needle/Desp' is gonna be worth it, even with the fixes, but ymmv

[young herald]

it's just kinda pointless tbh; desperado doesn't do a lot for needle pistol

[slender plinth]

hmmm
High or low viscosity stimm?

[young herald]

if you're gonna do that, run stim crate

[shadow umbra]

Thief harness real

[loud herald]

wondering this myself

[slender plinth]

thinking of no chem toxin uzi desperado

[main elm]

Just for ammo I guess

[hidden thunder]

I go low tbh but it depends on the build

[slender plinth]

i was running a pure cooldown stim and that was working well but i'm tempted to grab a tree too

[woeful hill]

the real dependency was the friends we made along the way

[muted python]

is sticky hands still worth taking with a desperado build? i noticed the top of my tree was kind of bloated and was wondering if there's any nodes i should trim off and place elsewhere.

[lilac ermine]

I finished havoc 34 in 20 mins

[slender plinth]

ye i can see the build dependency

[loud herald]

also welcome to da server new scummer

[manic wolf]

Pickpocket still exists, just use that honestly

[loud herald]

[trim wind]

scum and ogryn can

[slender plinth]

if you've got toxin going out it's especially useful

[main elm]

Right lol

[rancid coral]

Like this was my first H40 Game with scum using vraks and I died 3 times because I was ass (spent like 12 mins out of the game) and even then practically had top dmg 💔

[slender plinth]

greeting
I probably won't be here too long teehee

[alpine junco]

it got fixed to work with it, spamming np with desperado works pretty well

[sonic pasture]

lets goooooooo never get full 76s

[loud herald]

oh? server or hive scum channel ya mean? 👀

[hidden thunder]

Do xbox players use kb+m in H40?

[slender plinth]

server, just passing through most likely

[manic wolf]

Probably not

[hidden thunder]

I could NOT imagine doing that on a controller its actually impressive

[loud herald]

fair

[slender plinth]

maybe i'll stick around but it doesn't seem like my vibe too much
Just as long as I'm playing darktide again 🙂‍↕️

[echo harness]

So I'm looking at the new tree and am I wrong or does the talent changes seem like a buff overall?

[obsidian crown]

They usually play ogryn lol

[rancid coral]

I don't remember any talent getting changed? Just moved around on the tree

[slender plinth]

honestly yeah, it saved me like
one talent point that was on a wasted talent before

(the plus one ranged dodge thingy)

[lilac ermine]

Wth lvl 6000 zealot

[rancid coral]

Just the reddit launcher got buffed

[trim wind]

boom bringer got stronger, fixed some bugged stuff

[hazy vector]

How hyper violence interacts with hyper critical now?

[rancid coral]

It's traaaauma I think

[young herald]

it's not about triggering desperado extension; it's that desperado as a buff just doesn't do anything for the needle pistol. It gives you more ammo, but you already have infinite ammo from pickpocket, so there's just no real benefit

[low harbor]

yes, saves ~2 points

[rancid coral]

A streamer

[slender plinth]

then again desperado uzi gets ridiculous numbers of kills which CAN in theory recharge your stimm every activation if you're slaughtering hordes

[trim wind]

early level hive got more survival i guess, but again only matters at low lvl

[manic wolf]

They'll never exist together. Hypercrit doesnt break the toughness talent anymore tho

[slender plinth]

so it should be fine to max viscosity

hmmmm

[loud herald]

I getcha
||also I peeked your profile and I have art of my dunmer if you wanna see, it's not an altmer but still lol||

[echo harness]

Yeah thats what I mean good talents got moved up and switch out stuff like +1 dodge with guns

[hazy vector]

What is default stim duration?

[slender plinth]

||oh huh i do still have that up||
||I am no longer fixated on skyrim but fire away sldjfsldkfjklsjdfsf||

[lilac ermine]

Hive scum being buffed 😈

[young herald]

a minor buff. It basically took some previously mandatory nodes and made them optional, while moving the functionally-mandatory toughness nodes into their spots. In the end, this freed up 1-3 points depending on your specific build, to either go into the formerly-mandatory nodes if you wanted to keep them, or to go into other stuff if you didn't

[loud herald]

fair tbh

[limber cradle]

Is your pfp a cathar btw?

[slender plinth]

yeppers

[young herald]

my build managed to trade jittery for hypercritical, which is nice

[slender plinth]

i was into swtor for a while and an artist on reddit was drawing cathar for free

[obsidian crown]

I didn’t like the ranged dodge switch though

[slender plinth]

they drew my oc and i liked it enough to keep as pfp

[limber cradle]

Haven't seen one of those in a long time, probably since Jorgen tbh

[north meteor]

Low key I need to make my scoreboard look like this

[slender plinth]

unsurprising, kotor 1 and swtor are ancient games of not much popularity nowadays

swtor on maintenance mode
okay it still gets updates but

[loud herald]

I love kotor 1

[slender plinth]

it's basically maintenance mode

[alpine junco]

Makes it so ranged builds pick the first two nodes i guess

Doesnt change a lot

[slender plinth]

i liked kotor 1 a lot
Wrote fanfic and shit
Didn't finish it sadly because i lost my swtor hyperfixation

[rancid coral]

Well if you're already level 30 it doesn't matter cuz you can reach the stuff shuffled around easily

[slender plinth]

so it's probably never getting posted

[limber cradle]

Tbh I quit playing consistently once they stopped having properly voiced quests for the DLCs

[obsidian crown]

No it fucked the pathing to vulture and is now a tax node. Old one was better

[manic wolf]

I was worried about how ranged builds would be effected by this

[hazy vector]

Kotor 2 is even greater

[bronze glade]

Good

[manic wolf]

They'll still be super strong, but yeah, old tree layout was decent enough

[lilac ermine]

Whats wrong with 1 extra dodge

[obsidian crown]

Not by much but I have one wasted node now

[calm aurora]

which one?

[obsidian crown]

I said it twice

[manic wolf]

Is it centre above Vultures then?

[obsidian crown]

Left

[calm aurora]

''I didn’t like the ranged dodge switch though''

[obsidian crown]

Ranged dodge

[manic wolf]

Huh? So where did the damage node that was there go?

[calm aurora]

mate I am not reading discord all the time

[obsidian crown]

Up at top of that section

[manic wolf]

Weird

[obsidian crown]

Unnecessary switch lol

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. lil bit

[neat delta]

Was the talent trees for hive scum reset

[ancient basin]

so hypercrit is fixed now?

[bronze glade]

Nah

[slender plinth]

that part honestly wasn't a problem for me since i am a core rpg player, I just more
they had a lot of weak stories honestly? I didn't vibe with ||the Eternal Empire stuff because of how poorly it was executed||, and then ||mandalorian stuff wasn't too great either||

[neat delta]

Thank fuck

[bronze glade]

Just shit moved Around

[low harbor]

@calm aurora @flat mist just checked smth
I don't think hypercrit's instakills can actually allow BM to go through

[slender plinth]

it's a very good but very flawed game
Actually playing about it i liked kotor 1 more, writing the characters from it and stuff i liked 2 a fair bit

[bronze glade]

Looks like they figured how to not delete books every patch

[calm aurora]

considering it's stealing the kill...

[obsidian crown]

Don’t jinx it

[manic wolf]

You're gonna wanna reset it anyway because a bunch of nodes have moved

[neat delta]

How annoying

[limber cradle]

God the eternal empire stuff ||felt so fucking weird as a BH main, it was so not set up for any class but a force user ime.|| that's when I quit quit tbh.

[lilac ermine]

If I plays without veterans or psyker ill try that rn they kill all the specials u_u

[low harbor]

it's still an instakill I think it's good

[obsidian crown]

Blame the community for complaining scum too hard to level

[manic wolf]

It is a little bit. Imo there wasnt anything wrong with the old tree, all they had to do was fix the bugs, but hey ho, at least the new Scummer experience is gonna be better

[lilac ermine]

Is untouchable good or bad guys

[manic wolf]

Its very meh

[unkempt tide]

Does long lasting affect fast acting stimms for your teammates?

[lilac ermine]

Its like permastealth but idk if thats good for team

[calm aurora]

so basically you're instakilling and not procing bm instead of not instakilling and not procing bm

[manic wolf]

Its not even that, its just a reduction. It might let you move around a bit easier, but that can be done with good positioning anyway so its kind of a wasted node for Scum and a pain in the arse for the rest of the team

[shy pilot]

Whats bm

[calm aurora]

brutal momentum

[shy pilot]

Thanks

[hazy vector]

WTF happened to my cd

[loud herald]

next match

[lilac ermine]

Press f again

[worn canopy]

Penalty for spamming

[shy pilot]

Yea it's just a glitch

[lilac ermine]

I had that glitch happen and I could still use my power

[loud herald]

but also yeah it just shows it as empty

but you can use it

and it fixes it again typically

[calm aurora]

@low harbor I still don't know if it's worth to have those two...

[rose flax]

No

[slender plinth]

yeppp, and like ||I could buy into it, I was vibing with it and playing as a Sith inquisitor, but then they just completely muck it up and abandon it halfway through because people didn't like it. Which is UNDERSTANDABLE but also like it means there's this giant chunk of story that's just incomplete and feels jank and weird and then retconned 😭 ||

[rose flax]

What mod gives the cd number?

[slender plinth]

||Arcann and Vaylin are HORRIBLE villains, they aren't smart and they aren't menacing, I mean Senya almost beat Vaylin in their first fight how can i see any of them as threatening after that||

[calm aurora]

numeri ui I think

[hazy vector]

Bruh, how you people playing this game without Numeric UI

literally unplayable

[worn canopy]

Numeric ui haven’t got an update

[calm aurora]

it has

[obsidian crown]

It did

[worn canopy]

Woooo

[lilac ermine]

Do ppl use mods

[calm aurora]

yeah

[worn canopy]

Yes pc do

[pearl cliff]

yuh

[limber cradle]

I completely agree tbh, games narrative is a fuckin mess nowadays. ||the best thing to come out of late swtor is Lana||. I reinstall it if someone asks and I kinda aimlessly help them out before uninstalling it again+with the whole "ea is now SAEA and wants to AI gen things" I'm not really willing to touch it or pay for a sub.

[obsidian crown]

No they don’t

That’s why we’re hypothetically discussing mods

[hazy vector]

why you put it in spoilers bruh

also holy shit full chemical build is good

[worn canopy]

Talking about star wars the old republic mmo game

[hazy vector]

You can totally go 100% viscosity and 4 chem dep stacks

[limber cradle]

Cause some people might care about a 5 year or so old mmo story

[pearl cliff]

500 toxin stacks

[hazy vector]

and still get it reset all the time

[slender plinth]

||TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the Lana romance is peak, getting her flustered is just rahgrhghahrghrhgahrhghrgrhgr 10/10 we love our problematic yuri sith||
Nod nod that's very 💀 ah
Yeah
Understandable
hopefully it remains administered by broadsword and EA doesn't interfere

[frigid thorn]

My favorite part of the eternal empire was playing as a fat body type trooper and every fight scene against force users I'm rolling around on the ground shooting a tiny pistol

[slender plinth]

we'll see where EA properties go i guess

[slender plinth]

because it's spoilers for the SWTOR expansions

[limber cradle]

its a problem for the people who buy Fifa yearly to worry about ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worn canopy]

Ubisoft doomed

[unkempt tide]

F

[calm aurora]

gaming doomed

[unkempt tide]

It really should

[obsidian cipher]

They gotta fix that asap, have you seen chaos spawns staggering you back while they literally stand still, like wtf lmao

[calm aurora]

girls are playing videogames now

[ancient basin]

so jittery works with slippery now?

[limber cradle]

Women? In my video games? Has to be the woke agenda.

[hazy vector]

what is this reward?

[worn canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/utter-woke-nonsense-woke-nonsense-woke-sean-dyche-woke-bs-gif-2819365009893060345

[worn canopy]

Insignia

[gloomy raven]

Question about the stimm supply. Does it apply the effects of my stimm even when the stimm is on cooldown?

[limber cradle]

Yk that dude felt hard posing for this goofy shit

[calm aurora]

what's next? gay furries?

[lunar field]

Stim cooldown seems to be incorrect.
Stimm lab lists one cooldown, but the real cooldown is about 33% longer than it should be (regardless of stimm volume).

[worn canopy]

Always has been

[hazy vector]

no

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/the-end-the-end-is-near-simpsons-homer-simpson-end-of-the-world-gif-5236371

[vapid jungle]

Does lethal proximity effect the missile

[ripe seal]

Its made to for either fishing for backstabs on elites or for running into groups of gun enemies to fight them in melee while they focus on teammates, but you need teammates in range in order for the aggro draw to work and sometimes it just doesn’t work right

[gloomy raven]

Aight thx

[calm aurora]

someone told me so

[slender plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/pronouns-starfield-yapping-rage-spitting-facts-gif-11981307528457578648

[ripe seal]

Kind of an interesting place in the scum’s kit, but it just doesn’t work enough to try going for it

[obsidian crown]

Some games are obviously woke

Some are just idiots who think a woman in game means woke

[hazy vector]

and almost all of those fail thankfully

[worn canopy]

Ogryn power maul is funny

[vapid jungle]

I feel like the threat reduction is making the poxbursters go insane

[worn canopy]

Vrzzzz boom!

[low harbor]

I think yes

[severe zephyr]

i'm the only one struggling with the fucking gas maps?

[lapis raft]

yea, skip it if you can

[calm aurora]

nope\

[severe zephyr]

the gas seems like it's everywhere

[worn canopy]

Med stimm everywhere

[lapis raft]

now that its not annoying pathing point i will justneverclick it

[severe zephyr]

i can manage to mantain an enouigh hp regen

[severe zephyr]

for hive scum?

[worn canopy]

But is hive scum nightmare can’t stimm it

[lilac ermine]

Oh ok I have the vulture dodge anyways

[ripe seal]

Oh right, I forgot a fair bit of skill got moved around

[lucid raptor]

gas maps are all about map knowledge rly

just know safe zones and routes

[flat mist]

Unsurprising. Would've been really weird since hypercrits damage isn't a weakspot hit

[tropic crag]

hows the moved around tree?

[vapid jungle]

Much better overall

[ripe seal]

The idea of untouchable is that it’s with the rest of the melee talents near the front so you’d be running it in a non desperado build to give you an option to go on the offensive against gunners, desperado doesn’t care since those builds get a lot of range/damage immunity

[vapid jungle]

Probably more noticeable while leveling but it affords more flexibility. Also lethal proximity does effect missile and that feels AMAZING.

[manic wolf]

It didnt yesterday, I tested it lol

[calm aurora]

lethal prox + bazooka + tox on blitz

[ripe seal]

It could still get some use in a desperado build when it’s off cooldown but that’s a niche enough scenario and it just isn’t consistent

[calm aurora]

i wonder what's the result

[dense hollow]

the threat node is a wasted talent now, beacuse you can just use tis but a scratch to path down

there is no reason to take it

[trim wind]

there wasn't a reason to take it before really

[vapid jungle]

It definitely is in the psykanium

[tropic crag]

threat nodes are a trap anyway, enemies targeting you is safer than them not targeting you

[flat mist]

Lethal proximity? I tested it yesterday and it very much did effect both blackout and rocket.

[dense hollow]

inconsistent threat nodes can make good situations turn into bad situations for your teammates

[manic wolf]

It worked on Blackout, but range was the same on launcher on my end

[ripe seal]

Scratch the toughness regen on taking ranged damage right? With that you can kinda treat it like the veteran talent where you get regen with no enemies in range of you to duel shooters from range

[mighty belfry]

I'm honestly glad they changed the pathing to make the threat node specifically harder to warrant having in your builds in a lot of cases lol

[hazy vector]

why?

[tropic crag]

or cause them to turn away from you then turn back when you're not ready for them, you also can't herd enemies as well without aggro... knowing an enemy is on you is WAAAAY easier to keep track of when not looking then if they don't have aggro on you, becasue with aggro you know what they are going to do, without it who knows

[ripe seal]

Best case scenario for it is to treat it like a jank stripped down

[tight musk]

Heavy sword feels pretty good on Scum.

[mighty belfry]

Also, try ur double barrel set up with stimm supply.

[dense hollow]

yeah -threat nodes are super bad imo

[ripe seal]

It’s just too jank to do it that good

[hazy vector]

Blinders or chem grenade for full chem build?

[chrome storm]

hmmmm

[robust minnow]

Hey is Mobility a good dump stat for the Tac Axe?

[hazy vector]

That was actually what i tried on that game i posted, and i did not like it

[manic wolf]

Blinders. Much more utility

[lapis raft]

it makes enemy ai stupid

[tropic crag]

i kind of feel like all the scum weapons are pretty good to great, which is oggy levels of good weapons

[chrome storm]

i may be able to 1 tap with crowbar on a crusher

[robust minnow]

Or can I dump Damage like the knife?

[vapid jungle]

This. They are so versatile.

[hazy vector]

That's good though

[clear isle]

bros? what?

[vapid jungle]

And they reduce grenade need

[mighty belfry]

I loved it tbh

[dense hollow]

dumping anything other than mobility on tac axe would make you seem like a lunatic

all the stats boost damage substantially

[ripe seal]

Who dumps damage on the knife? You always dump mobility

[dense hollow]

on the tac axe

[clear isle]

what the hell happened to my talents??

[mighty belfry]

Was outdamaging desperado scum too

[robust minnow]

k thx

[lapis raft]

by stuipid i mean working against you

[clear isle]

...can I save a point by doing that?

[lapis raft]

like enemies body blocking you because they try to walk through you

or poxbursters ignoring your pushing and detonating

[hazy vector]

Why you like it specifically with chem build?

[flat mist]

It's literally always better to chem nade unless there's another scum with it in your team

[tropic crag]

math

[manic wolf]

Imo, its not

[clear isle]

more like meth bruh

[chrome storm]

wait, i might get the 1 tap if i do a rending stimm instead of attack speed n crit

[tropic crag]

scum math then

[manic wolf]

On demand stagger and the ability to apply DoTs and regenning. Blinders are so absurdly high value

[flat mist]

I take blackouts in always every build because it's more fun, but that doesn't make it better

[clear isle]

99.8% pure math

jesse we need to cook

[flint granite]

blinders are slept on due to the absurdity of chem nades rn but that doesnt make them bad in the slightest

[tight musk]

Wait...I accidentally used my stimm and then dropped my stimm supply while in the meat grinder...and it instantly gave me 2 stacks of chem dependency.

[manic wolf]

Im sorry, but area denial you might only get 6 uses of per game does not outvalue on demand CC and regen

[flat mist]

Who said anything about bad

[flat mist]

Lmao ok

[mighty belfry]

I was running the reload speed stimm with three of the strength nodes. Used pickpocket. You were onto something with the dB build but it didn't feel like it was that much better to me with desperado but with stimm supply

[flat mist]

Chem nades are easily the best nade in the game

[lapis raft]

if you are full chem build then do not go blinders

[flat mist]

It's not remotely close

[lapis raft]

because your sustain on them will be garbage

[flint granite]

I never said that

[lapis raft]

if by chem you mean also tox

[obsidian crown]

Blackout is better

[flint granite]

I said that blinders werent bad

[lilac ermine]

My team tells me to use tox grenades bc we have trauma psyker who can shoot blinder every second

[tropic crag]

i would watch a breaking bad remake where its a math teacher who gets cancer instead and he recruits one of his students to follow him out into the desert so they can do abstract russian prison math

[mighty belfry]

It is so easy to put down your stimm supply, get the buff, eviscerate a bunch of trash and sample collector will just give you another stimm in no time because of how much trash you clear with the double barrel lol

[lilac ermine]

Is the new rocket radius enough to kill demonhost ritual in one shot to middle

[manic wolf]

Oh yeah, the middle part of the tree changes piss me the fuck off

Tax nodes.

[lapis raft]

these? lmao yea they just put the worst nodes there

[glad latch]

I hope this gets buffed. It is in a better spot on the tree now (mostly skippable to entirely skippable).

I think what they could do is add a secondary effect, such as whenever you're moving (dodging, sliding, walking, sprinting etc) you passively take 10% less damage, something like that would make it valuable and not a dead node.

[mighty belfry]

I probably have to change the build I was using but at least in Auric, it was actually crazy strong.

Before the hotfix.

[tropic crag]

but you have 3 other people on your team that can do damage more than every second and WAAAAY more than 3 times a pickup

[bronze glade]

I'm so glad they're totally skippable now

[fickle prism]

am i trippin or stimm supply really doesn't heal corruption? did they break it in today's patch?

[dense hollow]

nope. still heals corruption

you can't heal fully corrupted wounds

just like any other corruption heal in the game

[lilac ermine]

Its for like emergencys whenever I use

[fickle prism]

strange. it doesn't in my games. literally no effect

[bronze glade]

It doesn't heal past wounds

[lilac ermine]

Like boss horde and armor spam

[glad latch]

Would be great if we could heal fully corrupted wounds that way.

[manic wolf]

Maaaaaaaaaan. The old tree was so much better ¬.¬

[lilac ermine]

Blinder can be used for that but wont kill anything

[fickle prism]

it doesn't heal either way

[torn ember]

???

[trim wind]

it changed basically nothing for me

[queen apex]

Any advice on which marks for braced and infantry autoguns are the best, and which fits better for a critmaxing desparado build?

[manic wolf]

Changed loads for me

[trim wind]

does make early lvls for hive better though

[manic wolf]

Now forced into taking either dead nodes or stuff I dont care for to reach stuff I do

[torn ember]

They took the bad nodes and shoved them into places where you can ignore them and put the good nodes in the middle at the top

[trim wind]

im not sure what you're having to take

[tropic crag]

100%, i think not bringing them because "the pysker can do it" is super broken logic in game where the pysker will be fighting for their lives and what not. Its why i brought up everyone else will also be doing damage because its just a broken logic

[glad latch]

The node remix is mostly better overall, there's probably only a couple problems with stuff that got moved.

[torn ember]

Like what?

[chrome storm]

i can do it!!! if i swapped out crit chance for even 10% more dmg, id have it fully lmao https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lFQDW2jiQhOUbFDQS?invite=cr-MSx1NU0sNDY1MzcwOTI2&v=7

[torn ember]

You make Gordon Freeman proud

[chrome storm]

weapon has +5% crit chance, i can change it for more dmg then itd be a full 1 shot

[tropic crag]

needle gun is making me lazy against crushers lol, just pull it out and tink tink tink and you can turn and start fighting other things lol

[torn ember]

Needle Gun + Pickpocket has fully degraded my concept of strategy

Heehee poison all the things

[tropic crag]

i just use it as an addition to a melee toxin build and yeah, its strong as long as you're fine waiting a second for things to die after shooting

[chrome storm]

my melee bulid

well its a little diff now one sec

[torn ember]

I tried using it to compliment my melee build and I ended up shooting hordes with blue needles instead of melee'ing them

[torn ember]

No Sample Collector?

[chrome storm]

no need, stim is 63 sec cooldown

if u cant got 1 min without a stimm....u need help

the toxic dmg only is addd to prime targets for me

[torn ember]

While true, I also have a Dependency that requires me to use one every 60 seconds so it's not entirely my fault

[limber cradle]

I don't think anyone can judge addiction in here

[chrome storm]

mines all about getting into the thick of it

[tropic crag]

honestly i've never needed sample collector, with rampage you can kind of cycle between the two active abilities and have good uptime

[dim moth]

I can but why would I

more stimms means more damage

[chrome storm]

crowbar doesnt 1 shot

this is a good thing

means even pox wealkers can be primed with toxin for toughness regain

[limber cradle]

@low harbor what are you slapping on Vraks for perks and blessings?

I'm gravitating to it now that pathing into Sticky is worse for me

[chrome storm]

ur just anoither cog in the wheel. "dps is everything: i must have more dmg, or its bad!!

[torn ember]

Personally I also find it difficult to go without Pickpocket; once I tasted the infinite ammo I just can't go back

[sacred estuary]

What is the consensus on Regained Posture (+10% Stamina on Successful Dodge)?

[chrome storm]

no everything is about fucking damage

[torn ember]

To be fair 50% of the stimm lab is not about damage either

[chrome storm]

yes, but the hive mind can only seen in terms of dps

[torn ember]

Low-cooldown CDR stimm is quite nice for keeping up your ability

[chrome storm]

theyre incomptent and cant think past big number

[mighty belfry]

Speed stimms help survivability quite significantly tbh

[torn ember]

Is the hive mind in the discord channel with us

[chrome storm]

if i wanted more damage
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lFQDW2jiQhOUbFDQS?invite=cr-MSxMU3YsNDY1MzcwOTI2&v=7
id run this bulid i made

[mighty belfry]

Sample collector isn't all about having more damage.

[tropic crag]

the real big brain move is to have less damage so you can enjoy the fighting more

[dense hollow]

if you're a fan of comfort over dps then why did you avoid taking hive city brawler in your build

[chrome storm]

not needed,and dint have a point

[tropic crag]

if you're an old vt2 player hive city brawler is a pure damage node

[dim moth]

well yes

[mighty belfry]

That is. One of Scum's most important nodes tbh

[rich sluice]

so guys, do we know why tf the chem crate consumes the stim on use?

[shadow umbra]

Sample collector + 45 second stim + chemical depedancy + 12% ability cooldown + desperado = FREE AMMO

[torn ember]

Because it says it does?

[shadow umbra]

[low harbor]

unyielding, flak, dum dum, deathspitter/speedload

[chrome storm]

this will confuse ppl as well

[limber cradle]

Yeah, that makes sense to me, thanks.

[rich sluice]

can you point out where it says that? I might be dyslexic

[dense hollow]

yeah this is true, chain 5 pushes consecutively for max thp from stagger

[torn ember]

So technically it doesn't say it consumes it, but it takes your stimm and applies it to everyone in the Area, which is why it uses your stimm up:

[azure mist]

Bulwarks single handedly making this game a fucking chore to play

[shadow umbra]

I just use it for 20% damage resistance witg my desperado build

[tropic crag]

you aren't wrong that people over value dps to the extent that they internally devalue other things. Mostly because the benefits of non damage things are more abstract and harder for people to get a firm grasp of the value

[rich sluice]

yeah ok it says nowhere here it will consume, it says it will copy it.

[azure mist]

please for the love of god fatshark fucking add something to do to counter them other than playing a japanese turn based RPG in order to hit them

im begging

[rich sluice]

copy and consume are not the same in my opinion.

[torn ember]

The humble RPG:

[tropic crag]

i push attack CONSTANTLY to the point where i regularly run out of stam on the arby , so its just a damage boost for me on my melee build

[random shuttle]

Zooka is my best friend now

[limber cradle]

I don't understand how rot shields are so tolerable and then fucking bulwarks happened

[torn ember]

Typical Fatshark wording

[compact oyster]

Cut their shields in half

[chrome storm]

well, most people dont like thinkig how i do. i see low dmg crowbar and thinl "i can apply all the tox debuffs and buffs on everyhting" idk, dps is important but doesnt matter if ur dead ya know?

[azure mist]

Literally had to deal with 3 Plasma Captains + Lts

[compact oyster]

The concept art miguel made is so much more interresting for bulwarks

[azure mist]

and tried to clutch

guess what

bulwark wall

[sacred estuary]

Fatshark kept the wording as the Stimm Crate mechanic was changed between the closed playtest and public release.

[rich sluice]

so what is a good way to break the chem crate and stimms so that their cooldowns line up making me effectively stimmed all the time?

[torn ember]

I have a lot of muscle memory from playing Saltzpyre in VT2 and it does not do me favors in darktide lmao

[chrome storm]

would people be happy with crushers have a variety of looks?

and other things

[tropic crag]

it is true that swinging 2 or 3 times safetly is often more successful than 1 time risky when played out over the course of alot of games

[torn ember]

Ignore ability cooldown, grab Sample Collector

With Fast Acting Stimms and a Minimum duration stimm you can just spam the box

[chrome storm]

exactly my idea, moderate dmg and high sustain. once evryone is down, ill keep fighting and try to help em

[rich sluice]

right, but what kind of stimm am i making?

like what branch / duration?

[dim moth]

use sample collector to keep stimms active

[mighty belfry]

You can choose whatever you want.

[dim moth]

box should have a 20-ish second cooldown on average with it

around 30 seconds with a maxed out stimm

depends on enemy density

[chrome storm]

depends, what u doing woth it

[mighty belfry]

Your stimm is a preference sorta deal. And also depends on what you wanna run.

[echo python]

You will always have unstimmed moments, its cooldown starts after it has finished being active

[tropic crag]

honestly even the toughness side of the stim is pretty good, i use it lol

[rich sluice]

so i am just never popping the stim, but instead just putting down the crate every time?

[tropic crag]

because it fits how much i face tank things

[tranquil fjord]

vermintide only spawned 3 or some bulwarks and then also you can still headshot them (and theyre easy to break open)

[echo python]

Although I guess putting the box down doesn't count? Maybe?

[torn ember]

ssshhhh don't tell them it's a 100% toughness regen with Chem Fortified

[chrome storm]

if ur goal is to drop it every 30 seconds, id honesly take 1 node of toughness for the team, because why not

[dim moth]

yes

[low harbor]

new RPG is top tier

[dim moth]

popping crate cuts 15 seconds of cooldown off your stim every time

[low harbor]

basically better ver of og nuke

[dim moth]

and also gives it to your teammates but like

screw them

[rich sluice]

and i should be aiming for a 60s stim? I assume spec into strength line?

[near mauve]

rpg is just ogryn big boom but 3 charges

[random shuttle]

Boom Bringer is finally worthy of its name.

[dim moth]

up to you what kinda stimm you use

[torn ember]

20-30s, probably

[dim moth]

I just full send 75 second stimm for dodge distance and crit chance

I wouldn't go lower than 40 seconds tho

sample collector makes the cooldown short

[torn ember]

But you can do whatever

[rich sluice]

ah right okay makes sense because the ability will make it insta refresh right
my crate i mean

[idle mesa]

what curio stats should i be using on my melee crowbar chem build?

[eager reef]

[low harbor]

VT2's cataclysm spawn intensity is almost half of DT auric's

[near mauve]

bulwark is just too slow for this game

[limber cradle]

@low harbor even on an individual level I find rot shields more tolerable tbh, like spawn density is absolutely part of it but bulwarks solo are still fuck ass annoying without instant removal options present.

[torn ember]

Yes though as you can tell some people like doing longer stimms and relying on Sample Collector to cut down the cooldown, though keep in mind it takes 50-100 kills to fully reset the cooldown. I personally struggled a bit to keep the cooldown low with a fully invested stimm, so try it out and see what works best for you.

[chrome storm]

i just take hp,tiughness, CDR

[hazy vector]

So point is you can use stim much more often now?

[woeful hill]

its also damage that staggers them

[frigid thorn]

Do toxin kills in general regenerate blackout grenades now, or just toxin direct kills from the needle pistol?

[mighty belfry]

Bulwarks would be fine if their shield hotboxes weren't so bad

[woeful hill]

and nothing can reset their stagger animatiosn

[mental gull]

It's not great but I've found the angled heavy on the flipped crowbar can get around a bulwarks shield when they're standing if you aim it right

[tropic crag]

bulwarks are easy if people press w against them, if people press s then they become a headache

[frigid basalt]

So is hyper critical good now?

[mighty belfry]

Ye. Its very fun actually.

[woeful hill]

not a shotgunner shooting it in the back

[frigid basalt]

or is it still meh

[dim moth]

and also if they had absolutely zero stagger animations or attacks that kept their shield infront of them

[near mauve]

they're not hard they're just annoying and take too much space

[dim moth]

and they didn't have the stagger resistance mechanic

[near mauve]

and slow

and bugged

[dim moth]

and then if their shield hitboxes weren't so bad

[rich sluice]

tbh i feel like having a more powerful stimm is more worth it than just have a 0 cooldown mini buff, like a 10 or 15 second downtime is okay right?

[chrome storm]

ig im bias, no issue here as a slug using vet

[limber cradle]

Tbh when you stagger a rotblood they actually open the fuck up too, it feels like staggering a Bulwark is not really promised to actually open the dude up, especially if its a full stagger where they hit ground and "oops shield in the way"

[torn ember]

I've found it good with a Shiv build with Butterfly and Riposte, though YMMV

[tropic crag]

yeah thats what i meant as a headache, they tend not to be annoying if you press W and start circling them as a group or pair (or even solo), but when everyone press s it lets them keep taking room

[mighty belfry]

The uptime on the reload speed stimm is really good actually with manstopper and scattershot just bursting through hordes

[mental gull]

Thats how I feel about it, the cartel special is basically hive scums second ability to supplement downtime for their main ability for me

[clever wren]

I havent played VT2 since DT came out, don't shielded Chaos Warriors open up eventually just from damaging their shield

[torn ember]

I use the low cooldown to spam the box explosions but ultimately whatever you find works best for you is good

[compact oyster]

if i blast a bolter into a bullwark shield i fully expect them to open up

[limber cradle]

I believe so

[dim moth]

yes, same for shield rats

bulwarks will actively become immune to stagger if you try the same thing

[random shuttle]

this is my default stim and I have it back pretty much every minute

[chrome storm]

im gonna say it...i didnt really enjoy VT2, i think its a good game...didnt like it

[rich sluice]

and does sample collector and chemtox explosion work together?

[dim moth]

yeah obv

[mighty belfry]

The trick is having a stimm strong enough to proc sample collector more on stimm supply

[tranquil fjord]

because youre shit out of luck to stagger them open, and, although rotshields are beefy, their heads were easier to hit

[compact oyster]

hey did you want to fight that mixed horde?

[dim moth]

bulwarks need to never be immune to stagger no matter what

[tropic crag]

but they are weak to all the non normal attack staggers we have, and in DT we have... ALOT more options for instant cc on demand

[compact oyster]

oops you hit the shield now you have to wait 3 seconds again for it to either shield bash you or open up to attacl

[eager reef]

What are you running

[dim moth]

and any stagger animation that isn't them being knocked on their ass or their shield being shoved out of the way needs to be straight removed

[limber cradle]

Using blinders to open them feels so fuckin inconsistent sometimes

[random shuttle]

build wise?

[eager reef]

Ye

[mental gull]

This is why blackout is secretly better than chem grenade surely

[low harbor]

there's not much u can do vs bulwarks besides waiting, if ur not using the few tools available to open them up on demand

[random shuttle]

Nothign out of ordinary. Eithe Despacito build with full CDR stim and IAG

[tropic crag]

they are ogryn tho

[frigid basalt]

The top part of the tree feels waaaaay to loaded now

[random shuttle]

or DOT shivs supa-killa

[torn ember]

Bulwarks can sometimes resist Binders because they hate you

[clever wren]

There is also the same old VT2 problem that if someone does a heavy stagger that sends a heavy enemy to the ground, then someone plinks them with one stray bullet, the weak stagger overrides the strong one (or whatever happens mechanically) and they teleport back to standing and a short stagger animation

[chrome storm]

why are people aruging if chem or blackout...like they arent both goated

[mighty belfry]

Good. Leveling this class was particularly ass.

[limber cradle]

Do you feel like blinders are inconsistent opening them? Like sometimes I throw one and they just do not give a fuck until about 10 seconds later.

[compact oyster]

blakout is good with pocket toxins

[low harbor]

kinda

[tropic crag]

the few tools? every class has like 5 or 6 things each they can use to pop them open, most of these things are on cooldown and some ammo

[dim moth]

likely because they got shot in the back by a dreg gunner 5 seconds ago

[chrome storm]

im aware lol

[dim moth]

which gave them stagger resistance

so they ignore your blinder

[limber cradle]

This is a joke right

[frigid basalt]

the location of sticky hands is very awkward

[dim moth]

no lol

[chrome storm]

its good by itself as well, if ur arent hive mind dps only

[limber cradle]

Oh I'm gonna use hateful language

[dim moth]

ranged enemies can "stagger" bulwarks by shooting their shield

[mighty belfry]

This. This right here. Is the worst thing about bulwaks.

[dim moth]

which makes them immune to player staggers

for several seconds

[mighty belfry]

Why that is still a thing is beyond me.

[limber cradle]

I did not know that interaction happened what the actual fuck fatshark

[torn ember]

Kinda? It's weird that it's on the melee side at the top but melee builds can bypass it trivially and for ranged builds it's only 1 point away

[chrome storm]

counter point...whys the gunner still up....vet

[knotty grotto]

what's been the consensus on the tree swaps? it feels like the biggest effect on my builds has been swapping the +1 ranged dodge node for the +15% close range damage on dodge

[dim moth]

i'm scumming it

[low harbor]

this varies a lot by class

[compact oyster]

i wouldnt take blackouts without pocket toxins

[clever wren]

Because it was behind the bulwark

[trim wind]

toxin if it came from the pistol

[limber cradle]

The new location of sticky hands is pissing me off

[tranquil fjord]

better for early game and more reasonable

[chrome storm]

use this to slide through fire and gunshots, hunt that gunner

[torn ember]

You can now take other auras without having to invest in a (mostly) dead node

[reef spoke]

Yeah the toxins are pretty big especially with Sample Collector

[north crow]

tree swap is fuckin awesome

[dim moth]

scumming it

[north crow]

you end up with 2-4 luxury points now

that you can spend at your leisure

[tranquil fjord]

but sticky hands being stuck on the melee side is fucking why

also float like a butterfly too?

[limber cradle]

Id say the tree swap is like 80 percent good

[tropic crag]

the few classes that don't have alot of tools can always just rotate around the bulwark and stab them in the back... if i do it with my full glass canon melee only pysker then anyone can do it... every class can surf through a horde untouched unless theres a number of crushers mixed in

[rich sluice]

attack speed node works for range weapons too or no?

[noble latch]

done with hive scum penances

[knotty grotto]

was jittery bad?

[trim wind]

float was always there

[reef spoke]

Yeah the tree swap harmed my specific build but I can probably build around it for otherw

[dim moth]

if it doesn't specify then it is both yes

[limber cradle]

Congrats, I'll be joining you in completion post lunch

[random shuttle]

@eager reef This is my Rampage DOT Shivs Murderhobo build. Works like a charm.

[vocal saffron]

what r blessing

4 neelde goon

[tropic crag]

i should say "every class with every weapon can surf through hordes untouched with automatic movement practices"

[torn ember]

It's not terrible but unless you are spamming dodge like a madman you shouldn't need that much dodge regen

[eager reef]

[knotty grotto]

i do spam it like a madman LMFAO

[north crow]

hmm, hypercrit is fixed

[coral patrol]

gunners feeling a little weird in this patch for anyone else? i'm getting insta downed by gunners reapers etc instantly in random intervals, maybe it's just the new class being squishy?

[knotty grotto]

keeping it ig

[chrome storm]

no excuse https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lFqygDecBQJsFTDQf?invite=cr-MSxoU1EsNDY1MzcwOTI2&v=60

[low harbor]

ik, doesn't change that they're annoying to fight still

[limber cradle]

I really don't like the extra gun dodge talent being where it is now, the sticky hands move, and the new pathing into Vulture's, but I'm otherwise content I'd say.

[vocal saffron]

neeeedle guuuun

[vapid jungle]

Im using something similar with blackout

[vocal saffron]

what r bleeeessiiiingz

[torn ember]

... as a side note, if you want to spam dodge like a madman I guess go for it, but if you push as often as I do then the node doesn't do anything lmao

[vocal saffron]

did they fix nimble ?

[knotty grotto]

what are the new nodes before the auras now?

[mental gull]

It seemed like it was mostly for desperado to have more melee survivability with its whole no stamina used on sprint

[random shuttle]

yeh but Hyperviolence + Hypercrit ara parasitic of each other as far as I know

[dim moth]

funny shit about scum is that Nimble with shivs dodges so far that you can hit bulwarks before they turn to face you

[limber cradle]

Hot Shot and Stripped Down seem popular

[tropic crag]

lol yeah, its why i say people need to basically rush them as soon as its possible. Because when they back up its annoying

[nova tangle]

hey does anyone have the visualization for the perk change stuff I cannot find it?

[limber cradle]

Its so fun

[north crow]

correct, crit is better for shivs is my point 🙂

[torn ember]

right node is now Jittery, left node is the -threat on sprint one

[mighty belfry]

Jittery makes a pretty big difference in survivability tbh

[hazy vector]

Might be hot take, but i start to think that toughness branch of stim might be not that bad?

16% damage reduction and team wide 50% toughness restoration

[random shuttle]

I'll give it a try but honestly this one works smooth as buttah

super-killa

boss-melting

murderspree supreme

[mighty belfry]

Because scum's dodges with nimble can very often be faster than sprinting.

[chrome storm]

i think the issue is the toughness it regens overtime is choerency?

[tropic crag]

hoenstly i think like the wind is the biggest game changer, but i melee 95% of my playtime so thats probably why

[torn ember]

I push too often and never have enough stamina to actually trigger it

[limber cradle]

Crab walk hath returned

[amber sundial]

Toughness regen portion is coherency yea

[north crow]

my version of abusing OP needle with shivs

[vapid jungle]

Its good with the stim ability. Things being dead is usually the best way to prevent dmg tho.

[hazy vector]

i did not say anything about touyghness regen
It specifically has 2 nodes that give straight +25% toughness

[random shuttle]

yeah make sense

[north crow]

the vet shout is nice

[random shuttle]

I don't use shooting almost at all on my builds

[north crow]

but not a must

[chrome storm]

that would be ok, if a node allowed that tpo stay on during combat while stimm is going

[broken moss]

ew chem dependency

[north crow]

its good vs dogs at least

[hazy vector]

Are you saying that Exe stance is better than Shout then lmao?

[random shuttle]

Just have my Agri to snipe a special here and there.

[main wagon]

#FreeStickyHands

[chrome storm]

im aware, but ignoring it doesnt make it not there

[tropic crag]

naw, like actually actually cc is usually the best way to prevent damage in a tide game because they usually balance it to work more instantly than damage can (outside of a few broken op things in the past lol)

[mighty belfry]

I've gotten some crazy clutches abusing this classe's dodges in auric at least lol

[limber cradle]

At least swap it with fuckin reload toughness

[amber sundial]

I feel it should just be changed to lower % but a regen toughness per second while active

[vapid jungle]

No im saying what i said

[main wagon]

Yeah locking to the bottom of the melee side was…a choice

[chrome storm]

i think that is also valid

[tropic crag]

sometimes i'll just be dodging and moving without thinking on this class and i'll be like "how did i not get hit that whole time?" lol

[north crow]

reload toughness is goated with shotguns

[chrome storm]

could be like vets skill? 5% tougness on any kill?

[north crow]

its 25% TDR ojn demand

[brazen furnace]

why not use all of the stim point? It isn't like super tight horde frames for 75 sec to have one ? (Tried on Auric) just asking new to the class

[torn ember]

It's not locked to the bottom of melee you can pick it up regardless of how you navigate the top of the tree

[hazy vector]

What is your preferred melee weapon for desperado builds?

[lilac crystal]

tfw leveled prepatch scum

[limber cradle]

It defo felt correct as a middle node to me cause it benefitted swapping

[torn ember]

... melee? ||/s||

[limber cradle]

Shivs, personally.

[frigid basalt]

yeah idk. The tree is nicer for low level people but it also feels insanely awkward now

[torn ember]

(Shivs)

[dim moth]

...double barrel

[random shuttle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1piejbo/me_when_i_find_a_medi_stimm_but_cant_pick_it_up/

[hazy vector]

You said killnig is better than healing
Exe stance makes vet better at killing
Shout is healing
I fail to see how i am wrong in assessment of what you said

[tropic crag]

its smoother for rampage/toxin builds at least

[lilac crystal]

poxgas games be like

[trim wind]

shivs for ranged build, they look cool when i accidentally swap to them once a mission

[limber cradle]

I've had some actual huge brain randoms pick them up to use on wounded scum and it's like "holy fuck you guys think?"

[lilac crystal]

every big chest has like 3 healing stims

[amber sundial]

I swear the number of stims a map feels so much larger

[lapis raft]

i keep pinging them so people pick them and heal me but noooo

we all just walk past it instead

[limber cradle]

Its confirmation bias, no one is picking them up now.

[lapis raft]

gg

[mighty belfry]

Some people genuinely don't realize hive scum can be stimmed with regular stimms

[compact oyster]

single celled amoebe forms first thought

[lilac crystal]

i do this but with vc and it works

[vapid jungle]

Your comparison is apples and oranges. And stupid.

[tropic crag]

i always just use the healing stim on whoever is most hurt if we're away from a station... unless i'm carrying, then that is MY STIM

[limber cradle]

I'm genuinely amazed every single time a random acts in a way that benefits the team

[torn ember]

I stood next to a med stim for like a minute pinging it with one wound left until a guy ran over with a burster chasing him and didn't push it, which killed me in the AoE. He still didn't pick up the stim

[mighty belfry]

I had to ask somebody and they straight up did not know they could do that.

[chrome storm]

i do it alot, stimm the scum especially with med stimm if needed

[spice mural]

Someone used a healing stim on me yesterday. I was genuinely shocked.

[amber sundial]

Stimming a teammate that isnt the martyrdom zealot is simply unthinkable for the average pub gamer

[tropic crag]

i do get a number of people turn to look at me as if i called their mom a wombat before saying "thanks!" lol

[near mauve]

last game i played a guy kept shoving speed stims up my ass

[mighty belfry]

Yeah I'd say if you can, just ask. Some people seriously don't know.

[limber cradle]

Team Reload part 2

The Stimm Story

[lilac crystal]

me when i put a healing kit down in the elevator and the zealot crawls into a corner like spiderman

[torn ember]

Playing Martydrom Zealot is a sure-fire way to get a teammate to waste a medpack in an elevator right before a healing station. Every time.

[spice mural]

How are you all doing on your penance grinding? I’m working on all of them. 55/66 so far! Getting the “kill things with heavy attacks while under cartel special” has been a pain in pub matches.

They usually get killed before I can swing. :/

[rose flax]

performance is much better since this hotfix

[limber cradle]

I ran crowbar with every single cleave perk in the tree for that one fwiw

[tropic crag]

i ignore all penances, if i get them i get them i don't try to get any of them

[mighty belfry]

But why are you putting it down in the elevator?

[main wagon]

Only once so far but veteran had to choose between me and the other scum, and chose me

[lilac crystal]

specifically to int the zealot

[chrome storm]

crowbar is best

[limber cradle]

I'm done every penance except missions and I have maybe 24 of those left iirc

[chrome storm]

simple as

[mighty belfry]

...Proceed.

[tropic crag]

because thats the time everyone stops and looks at their stuff and goes "oh man i have healing/ammo" and throws it down lol

[spice mural]

I’ve been using it to. The problem I’m having is people run in swinging or the bots shoot them while I’m winding up. >:C

[main wagon]

The only mission ones I have left are just doing 50 in every location

And I think The Void is the only area I’m missing because well, Gloriana

[limber cradle]

What diff you on? I'd go to damns or aurics where the horde is fatter.

[mighty ginkgo]

guys, how did you manage to complete the enhanced penance for the hive scum? being in coherency of my teammates with the regeneration while stemming counts or is it just the toughness you recover when you activate the stimm?

[chrome storm]

have i got a solution for you!!

[spice mural]

I’ve been in malice mostly.

[nova tangle]

oh boy its time to go adjust my build to account for the rework on the talent tree!

[manic wolf]

Im really not sure the 4 stack chem dependancy node is worth it coz its gonna drop off so often with stuff like elevators and what not

[limber cradle]

I stood in fire and stimmed while using loose coherency lmfao

[gritty elk]

Take the flat toughness 25% + 25%

[mighty belfry]

Run the Regain stimm for the immediate toughness regen

[random shuttle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pi174d/my_god_man_what_a_throw/

[mighty belfry]

It's never been worth it.

[random shuttle]

[chrome storm]

bottom left stimm allows for this to happen https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lFqygDecBQJsFTDQf?invite=cr-MSxUalksNDY1MzcwOTI2&v=31

[random shuttle]

[limber cradle]

Regrettably you'll always have low enemy density there so it's gonna suck

[mighty belfry]

One stack of dependency for a skill point that also actually worsens the uptime is not a good trade ofd.

[manic wolf]

Nah, doesnt seem like it. Its a nice idea, but unless you have no viscosity in your stim upkeep is a nightmare

[torn ember]

Also make sure you run the Chem Dependency node that gives you another 50% toughness regen, then just pop the stim whenever your toughness gets low

[mighty belfry]

It's just that there are better options tbh

[main wagon]

44s stimm with just both toughness +25 nodes in the lab did it for me

[gritty elk]

Idk if that 50% toughness from the talent counts for enhanced

[trim wind]

Dependancy is easy to maintain, the keystone just isn't that great though

[main wagon]

Put it on a crate and became the toughness station for a couple games

[torn ember]

I mean it says "regen toughness", it doesn't have to be from the stim (I don't think)

[main wagon]

Dispenser goin up

[spice mural]

Ah you know what I did? Purely for grinding the penance and so I’m not griefing in higher difficulties. I only put one node in the stim to keep the cd at 15 seconds so I can spam it for nearly every enemy group.

[tropic crag]

which in tide games is like a "meh" reason tbh... eventually we all just end up picking whatever weirdness we have the most fun with because skill outpaces most numbers

[mighty belfry]

Like the most you're getting out of that with full investment is an extra 5% crit chance and 10% TDR

[mighty ginkgo]

Thanks!

[chrome storm]

i see

[mighty belfry]

And the cooldown which barely even matters

[past light]

so like, ive seen people mention it but i cant actually tell
is nimble broken or not

[bronze glade]

It's working

[spice mural]

To be clear, I’m only using the single pip purely for the penance grind in malice or uprising. I’d never actually do that heresy or damnation etc.

[past light]

aye, thanks

[thorny ginkgo]

did they fix stim crate and chem depend in the hotfix

[mighty belfry]

It's working now.

[high gull]

@azure mist This is what a low effort, arby player looks like

[torn ember]

Oh wait did scoreboard get an update to fix it?

[unique dagger]

try not to use nimble, it is still not working as intended, it's making your dodges worse even though you dodge farther

[spice mural]

The kill with heavy attacks is the only ability penance I haven’t got done yet. I also think hive scum is the only class where you don’t need ability use in certain difficulties?

[unique dagger]

it will be fixed it is reported already

[tropic crag]

the og modder has quit the game so you have to like find the discord of the people who are currently trying to keep it up to date... i don't know the discord because i don't mod this game

[mighty belfry]

Wait it wasn't fixed?

[unique dagger]

should be fixed next patch

[neat heart]

how fast i gotta walk?

[mighty belfry]

Hot fix specifically mentioned it.

[bronze glade]

Kuli confirmed it's working

[torn ember]

find the discord of the people
Why tf is everything on random discord servers these days ffs

[bronze glade]

What's broken about it?

🤔

[spice mural]

Took damage on purpose tbh.

[tropic crag]

because its cheaper than hosting a site (but yeah things like that annoy me too)

[thorny ginkgo]

.

[dense hollow]

yes

[thorny ginkgo]

thx

[main wagon]

Hogging the killfeed.

Mandated Edict: 10 Days in the ball slapper

[torn ember]

Just upload it to mega or something and share the link on reddit/the forums like normal people sigh

[high gull]

It's wild cause I thought I put in the least amount of effort

I was barely doing shit

[lucid raptor]

just getting carpal tunnel

[high gull]

This is the arby brainrot they talked about in the newspapers

[tropic crag]

i think they probably can't contact the original author of the mod so they can't change their post to signpost people the right way or even have them post the patches they make

[high gull]

See dog run towards horde

[lucid raptor]

crowbar feels so ass

[high gull]

Press blitz

win

[unique dagger]

the code itself works but since it's an old piece of code it has side effects

[main wagon]

My first game with PowerDI as Scum realizing I did like 1.2m over the match including a baby clutch

[mighty belfry]

Tbf this is the arby build that does actually require effort

[spice mural]

I dodge the dog as it pounces and I’m about 3-4 yards away.

Gets pounced anyway.

[unique dagger]

and it is not working as it should be

[tropic crag]

play no dog arby with the arby maul to have some fun at least lol

[unique dagger]

so no

it is making your dodge states worse

[bronze glade]

What's the issue then

[high gull]

I put 0 effort in tho

[unique dagger]

even though you dodge farther

[main wagon]

This is like the weenie hut junior setup wym

[nova tangle]

Hey how nessecary is calling for a time out?

[mighty belfry]

Wot

[bronze glade]

Not at all

[main wagon]

Pick up a Tac axe, arbitrator

[torn ember]

It gives you measles

[tropic crag]

i said it was fun not hard

[mighty belfry]

So they fixed it. But they didn't fix it?

[high gull]

I've learned to just say fuck it when dodging dogs, it's inconsistent at best during server lag. Better to just shove.

[main wagon]

What are you afraid of, oppressor? Having a little fun?

[lucid raptor]

dodging the dog pounce is weird and doesn’t always work, push is more reliable. i have like 1k hours i’m still unsure if that’s intended or not

[reef spoke]

Same, I dodge a lot to proc my dodge talents and blessings but now I have less dodges :c

[torn ember]

I'm somehow more consistent at dodging them if I'm not looking at them and just dodge when I hear them bark

[main wagon]

TINKTINKTINKTINKTHUNK

[high gull]

I use to go dogless with the shield and shock mine

[unique dagger]

the talent itself works, but the keyword used for the talent is old, doesn't work properly, makes your dodges worse so it needs revisiting

[spice mural]

I thought I was good at it. But apparently the hit box on them is being weird idk.

Because I’m 100% sure I’m dodging correctly.

[tropic crag]

where did people get the idea to dodge dogs? since launch its been "push dogs" but recently everyone is dodging them (and its not server lag that causes it lol, its jank with the jump itself, its why dogs push hitbox is like 30 times the size of the dog)

[high gull]

See I have this weird conspiracy theory that vet gets some weird dog negation if their back is facing a dog

[unique dagger]

the linger buff is working but the distance buff is causing your dodge states to be worse

[main wagon]

I’m out here pushing dogs that weren’t even meant for me

[sturdy marsh]

I don't think fire gets enough hate in this game

[hallow creek]

IMO this 7 stacks of chem is kinda buns in comparison to givng your team your stimms. On top of needler, bonesaw, and blinders with tox pox. I dont think ive ever had a hard time applying stacks

[high gull]

I've never been pounced by a dog as vet when my back is turned to them

[main wagon]

My scum has the fucking palm of fury

[dense hollow]

u can just push its a really generous angle and distance

[mighty belfry]

It was like that before the fix.

[dense hollow]

u can also dodge while doing it

[spice mural]

I could never get the timing down so I just gave up.

[lucid raptor]

[spice mural]

I played since launch it was always dodge them.

[high gull]

I feel like it comes from instinctual habits.

[torn ember]

The hit box on everything is being weird because FatShark funked up stuff. It's why explosions are suddenly dealing damage to players further away, players are getting stuck in hordes with clear openings, and why the auspex scanner is on the fritz

[high gull]

Like you're mid fight, probably dodging

[mighty belfry]

Now idk if maybe the fix just didn't work.

[spice mural]

That explains a lot actually.

[unique dagger]

it will be addressed next patch fully, the fix isn't properly fixing it

[spice mural]

I thought the auspex change was intentional to make it more challenging or something.

[tropic crag]

they literally increased the hitbox of the dogs for shoving (you can shove them when they are like 3 feet behind you lol) JUST because dodging can't be made to work for it

[mighty belfry]

Or if that's actually the weird hurtbox is contributing to this issue.

[unique dagger]

since the keyword used for the fix is old and has issues with the buff its been given

[lucid raptor]

always find it funny when dogs knock over other enemies

[unique dagger]

just wait till next patch before using nimble

[lucid raptor]

but trapper nets can still shoot thru entire hordes

[tropic crag]

i have a theory this might be a settings or resolution thing because my hitboxes have been seeming to be exactly the same

[torn ember]

I imagine the weird hitbox stuff is contributing as the Dog's grab is probably coded as an explosion, just putting you into an animation instead of dealing damage

[tropic crag]

like it still needs to be fixed but i've not seen any broken hitboxes

[mighty belfry]

I don't think I will.

[bronze glade]

Same

[mighty belfry]

Dodge distance is enough for me personally.

[bronze glade]

I mean I've noticed no issues at all

[sturdy marsh]

Is it still messed up?

[bronze glade]

With nimble

[torn ember]

If you grab the Danger zone mod and test it against barrels you should quickly see the problem

[lucid raptor]

wait till next patch in 60 days

[grand jewel]

snipers insta gibbing their teammates when they try to shoot through them but a trapper shoots through a terminator worth of carapace to hit you with no collision

[lucid raptor]

peak Darktide experience

[acoustic quail]

what they reworked the skill tree or sum?

[manic wolf]

Nope nor me, feels better to play if anything

[torn ember]

You can clearly be outside the red circle and still get hit

[grand jewel]

moved nodes, as the patch notes said

[acoustic quail]

yeah that, why ugh

[grand jewel]

QOL

literally an improvment

goober

[acoustic quail]

i gotta see that i was fine with my build

[torn ember]

Mister E showed off some of the broken hitboxes in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DogBkD0_APU

[manic wolf]

not really, there are some really annoying changes for ranged builds

[mighty belfry]

Yeah like I'm wondering if it's more the extended hurtbox now than an actual issue with nimble.

[main trellis]

@bronze glade I'm home; as promised have this
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15494842534491693634/49E8565CE930EFB86A57E0432FBD3797CAAABC25/

[grand jewel]

skill issue

[torn ember]

And this shows why you might be feeling like you get stuck in hordes more often now: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pi9gmg/poxwalker_hitboxes_are_bugged_theyre_much_larger/

[compact oyster]

Our characters are just fat now

[manic wolf]

Yeah, being forced to lose skills because they didnt think through what people are gonna wanna path through is absolutely a skill issue 🙄

[tropic crag]

i tested things already, i've memorized alot of barrel hitzones using in game map markers because i like to melee barrels and stand on the edge of the explosion as things explode in my face..... and my fav spots its the same... but i play in 1600x900 in 30 fps so i'm wondering if its an fps or reso thing... because i can't do skip jumps in vt2 because 30fps literally changes the hitboxes

[grand jewel]

clearly

[tropic crag]

it makes them accurate in vt2 to play at 30fps

[grand jewel]

just click on them

not that hard

[torn ember]

I asked which nodes you feel are dead that you're forced to take now and you never answered.

[lucid raptor]

i lied this is the peak darktide experience actually

[vocal saffron]

im so washed at this game

I FUCKING SUCK !!!!

[bronze glade]

I'll try it out but I somehow really doubt this will beat out shiv light spam memes

[grand jewel]

dafuk

[lilac ermine]

I think he says the extra dodge with guns is dead node

[winter galleon]

Maybe we arent actually meth-heads, but instead are popping magic shrooms. So really we are fat but think we skinny

[main trellis]

i mean ofc it wont; i doubt it - if you would use taxe on this it would be better obv
i just made Dclaw great again

[tropic crag]

like if you play 30 fps in vt2 you can't clip out of the map in alot of areas because the hitboxes actually work right... so i'm wondering if people are having frame rate flucuations and thats causing things to go wrong or high fps is currently breaking the hitboxes

[manic wolf]

I didnt see it. But yeah you now have to path through this, to get to Vulture keystone, which means you're wasting a point, and it now costs you an extra point to pick up Unload, so you're effectively down two points.

[young herald]

hmm, do we know how hyper-critical interacts with cleave? Is it like bromentum where targets it procs on aren't counted? Or is it after the damage calculation?

[short dew]

bruh I switched off hive scum to go back to my vet and zealot and I keep dying nonstop on havoc

[lilac ermine]

Why is there like dmg icons when hes standing next to the poxwalkers like in hud

[tropic crag]

withdrawl man

[dense hollow]

[tender marten]

does dropping the crate proc the 50% toughness node under dependency now

[torn ember]

You're down one point if you want to pick up Unload now, but up two points because you don't need to pick up Burst of Energy or Tis but a Scratch

overall, upgrade

[manic wolf]

No, you would be taking Tis But anyway, and I wasnt taking Burst before

So -2 points

[grand jewel]

p sure its a mod for deaf people, dun remember what its called, but gives direction for things that would normally have a sound cue, I think it probbaly extends to slightly more than that and alot of people use it when they don't have any issues

[tropic crag]

spidey sense i think

could be wrong

[tight musk]

Scum with no special stimm jorking their disgusting regular stimm next to me in the elevator. Gross, get a cartel special today.

[limber cradle]

I didnt pick up unload before and I did grab gun dodges which I can't path through now

[winter galleon]

Meanwhile i pick up vet after playing scum and feel like i can play uaing my feet behind my back

[lilac ermine]

🤔

[grand jewel]

ah yeah

[lilac ermine]

Nice I didnt know deaf ppl played

[grand jewel]

game is game

[torn ember]

yeah the only reason I took Unload before is because it was required to get to Vulture's Mark

[tender marten]

Unload is actually pretty good.

[grand jewel]

baby blaze away

[tender marten]

Just hard to suss breakpoints out of it.

[tropic crag]

def an uphill battle without hearing tho, even with spidey sense they probably have to work harder than people who can hear well

[grand jewel]

temu blaze away

[obsidian crown]

I’m one

[torn ember]

It's not bad but I haven't noticed losing it. You tend to overkill things with dual autos anyways

[limber cradle]

Idk, it's not that it isn't good it's that I don't really like any top row pathing for VD now

[torn ember]

I guess it matter for mag-dumping into a boss or something during your ability

[lilac ermine]

Why is unload bad

[limber cradle]

Its not

[torn ember]

It's not

It's ~12.5% damage during a magdump

Which is pretty good, but only while magdumping

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/laughexe-gif-20955944

[lilac ermine]

I think burst of energy is one of best survival perks so idk why someone wouldnt take that

[manic wolf]

Because its superflous to a ranged focused build

[torn ember]

idk either I can't find that many talents I'd want on a ranged build to necessitate losing it

[lilac ermine]

50% toughness if your toughness breaks every 10s

[reef spoke]

Funny because I don't take it because my thought was "oh that'd never proc"

[trim wind]

Burst of energy is great safety regardless of build

[reef spoke]

So far it has never proc'd beyond tox gas spam

[lilac ermine]

Also its like instant toughness right not over time?

[torn ember]

yeah it's instant

[reef spoke]

Yes

[limber cradle]

I simply do not enjoy where they shoved Sticky Hands

[tropic crag]

burst of energy is crazy good

[limber cradle]

It's an extra point for me now

[lilac ermine]

I think calling for a time out is skip now

[manic wolf]

Its instant toughness, but on a ranged build you have Tis But a Scratch and Voice of Tertium. Its very hard to lose toughness with those unless you massively screw up

[limber cradle]

Never liked that one tbh

[lilac ermine]

Skip time out for sticky hands

[torn ember]

It was always an extra point, unless you're a madman who wasn't taking In Your Face

[hazy vector]

sometimes i see thes floating numbers ,any idea what this is lmao

[reef spoke]

I've never had it proc except during tox bomber spam waves in Auric

[north crow]

the 25?

[torn ember]

... You've never gone down in Auric?

[obsidian crown]

I just don’t take it’s but a scratch and take burst instead. Better value for a ranged build anyways

[limber cradle]

I defaulted to Sticky before IYF tbh

[hazy vector]

also first time checking desperado build with scoreboard, and holy shit i did not realise how stupid dumb it is

[low harbor]

I changed my melee build to this now

[hazy vector]

7109, a bit to the left from center of the screen

[limber cradle]

Not a fan of the side talents in the middle of tree?

[reef spoke]

How are you getting toughness broken before you go down?

[torn ember]

I mean IYF is 25% extra damage at most and 10% damage at worst with 100% uptime why wouldn't you take it on a Ranged build

[reef spoke]

That's more impressive to me

[torn ember]

Shooting, normally

[trim wind]

Neither of my ranged builds changed outside of having the +1 effective dodge and not having jittery

[reef spoke]

Ah so something that never happens to me. Hence why I never take it

[obsidian crown]

I kept jittery

Too good

[limber cradle]

I did not run unload or mag size increase originally

[tropic crag]

tbh you might not be noticing it proc if you're mid fight lol, but its better on melee builds than ranged builds if you ask me

[trim wind]

I did because bypassing hyper critical

[spice mural]

Damn… I’m not home yet but you just reminded me I need to redo my talent tree again. Ah well.

[limber cradle]

I still ran hypercrit even tho it broke stuff cause it still blendered human sized enemies ime

And i was simply willing to deal with that

[reef spoke]

Na getting toughness broken is VERY noticable

[amber sundial]

trees didnt get reset, nodes jsut moved

still look over your build tho

[trim wind]

I almost never melee so hypercrit just isn't that valuable

[north crow]

hmm, maybe overall dmg you've done with the needle dot?

[torn ember]

Honestly I always took hypercrit becuase it works on the Riposte Shivs to mulch hordes
And even my ranged build can't horde clear with the uzis 100% of the time

[limber cradle]

Sometimes its fun to get your hands dirty ime

[tropic crag]

not when it procs lol, thats why i said it, you actually don't get any sign your toughness broke

[north crow]

on the topic of melee build, do I carapace unarmored rashad a la vet? @low harbor

[low harbor]

they don't matter much for axe

[trim wind]

But my manicure

[limber cradle]

Thats fair, yeah.

[reef spoke]

That's the thing, I don't have it so I would notice when my toughness breaks

[low harbor]

axe super strong and saves points

[reef spoke]

Hence why I know that talent gives no value to me

[north crow]

I dont care about crits with rashad tbh

it has mediocre finesse

[obsidian crown]

The best thing about burst of energy is the stun and supp immunity when your toughness gets broken. Allows me to continue mag dumping

[limber cradle]

DS tier for fun tho, I refuse it.

[manic wolf]

Heh, they made Branx skin for pistols more detailed this patch

[low harbor]

u cud run tac axe for this

[limber cradle]

That's fair ig, I really like the shivs tho

[tropic crag]

if your toughness never gets broken and you use that as a metric for value instead of viewing it through the lense of when mistakes happen (because they happen even with the best players) then no node is worth it to you because you're a ghost walking among the heretics

[low harbor]

u cud run shivs for this too lol

[reef spoke]

If that's your thought process then there's no point talking to you as you just have a black or white mindset

[tropic crag]

but yeah its mostly better for melee builds because they have enough DR to not go down before their toughness goes down

[zenith fern]

Anyone been having too much fun with dodges length increase talents to use on ledges to fly and accidentally falling off edges?

[lilac ermine]

yes

[tropic crag]

lol i was literally saying you were the black and white one friend, that was an example of your logic

[limber cradle]

Ig i should stop ruining my muscle memory with melee tracking immunity

[torn ember]

Technically ranged builds can have 100% uptime on the 20% DR node because you aren't using stamina while shooting.

[lilac ermine]

I flew off ledge and died without ledge grabbing

[zenith fern]

So funny

[reef spoke]

Notice I kept saying "for me" and the original comment said "anyone"

[hazy vector]

No. It is a number that always appears at the start of the mission and sometimes randomly in them iddle of it. It also not static, it rapidly increases all the time
also wtf is that assumption, there is literally nothing on the screen

[zenith fern]

I just love myself be carried over the sheer movement of scum

[tropic crag]

yes and i was giving advice on how to plan things by highlighting the thought process you were having "for you" lol

[zenith fern]

And get myself killed o holding on edges

[lilac ermine]

And +10% from gang tough +20% from chem fortified + 25% from calling for time out

[vale garden]

Oh interesting, people on reddit talking about hit boxes being janky, causing you to get stuck on enemies more often

[torn ember]

yeah the player's hitbox is funked this patch

[vale garden]

Interesting

[tropic crag]

yeah, but they also will have different things on the rest of their kit and probably curios so they are more likely to be 1 shot by a mauler overhead

[zenith fern]

I never had any issue even be face to face with enemies?

[reef spoke]

Worrying about hypothetical instead of what actually happens in matches is flawed inherently though

[lilac ermine]

Is patient hunter needed in havoc or is their enough elite and special

[hazy vector]

also what is the point of 500 aquilas reward if it is not enough to buy anything

[reef spoke]

Another reason why I don't take that talent actually

[torn ember]

Doesn't mauler overhead not give a damn about your TDR anyways as it does damage straight to hp (if it manages to get through your toughness)

[vale garden]

I felt like id been getting stuck on enemies more often when I try to dodge since HS, but figured its just cause im dodging so far

[zenith fern]

Save them lol

Or buy low cheap skins or trinkets

[spice mural]

That combined with the 4K for $5 isn’t a bad amount.

[lilac ermine]

You can buy shriveled hand

[tropic crag]

no it isnt lol, we're just accidently rehasing one of the older philosophical debates about preparedness and how hindsight effects it tbh

[zenith fern]

There's also few cosmetics that cost 400

But they are small ones like goggles or something