hivescum-class

[dim moth]

zealot

[tender forge]

Probably my plan

[grand jewel]

or arbites, kills plenty fast

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/230805863663796226/1444969178678296668/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.12.01_-_02.24.59.1392.DVR.mp4?ex=69392fea&is=6937de6a&hm=edc7cfe78d6288437bae75c793e056eb257ae97675e85cd26675fec6d8817f8b&

arbites ain't shit

[tender forge]

Zealot melts shield easier

[grand jewel]

they take 2x melee damage, you'd see Thammer zealots 1 tapping them all the time but they don't, because they can't

[somber frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447776501910081547/image.png?ex=69398330&is=693831b0&hm=e84e6b13f7b8990882106308f5432f47295a29a7367f5bfb969d7ed349adb045&

what if this node also allowed coherency toughness to regenerate during combat? Then all those previous nodes actually mean something. Thoughts? Maybe make it so only the hive scum gets that benefit so that it doesn’t overbuff the entire squad when using stimm supply

[grand jewel]

[frigid adder]

wait can a toxin enemy not get bleed?

[dim moth]

they can

visual bug

[reef spoke]

Yeah would be interesting at least

[oak bramble]

its so funny to yeet yourself into an enemy horde with an exploding barrel

[frigid adder]

the damage seems to correlate to the visual though

[oak bramble]

i should do that more often

[grand jewel]

rocket launcher should have self pushback

let us rocket jump

[oak bramble]

preach

[reef spoke]

Rocket launcher should burn allies with backblast UwU

[oak bramble]

Friendly Fire enabled with Rocket Launcher

[somber frigate]

Deapite hive scum’s design shortcomings (mainly the keystones) Ive still been enjoying the class

[trim wind]

only chem dependancy is on the weakside, i think

[vast yoke]

what Cartel Special setup do people run with crit shiv 4 stacks of dependency stim box build

[versed spruce]

I think using most of your stim's viscosity on that ability for that should let the whole squad get coherency regen

[somber frigate]

I meant from a fun standpoint

[bronze glade]

i sitll don't know why you'd take dependency with stimm supply lol

even with the "fix"

[versed spruce]

I mean, bubble does toughness regen AND much more with projectile block

[somber frigate]

Might work for the stimm mine spam build

[reef spoke]

My friend wants me to be a buff bot for him 😭

[bronze glade]

even then your stimm will regen faster

so there's ltierally no reason to use dependency there

[reef spoke]

"Take needle pistol and stimm box you're my pocket buffer"

[trim wind]

yea the problem is that sample collector still way outpaces ability cdr

[bronze glade]

yup

[grand jewel]

I wonder if it applies a stack of dependancy to people who aren't running stim crate, but step into it and get the stimm effect

[sturdy linden]

Brooooo chem dep with stimm crate is SO GOOOOOD

[trim wind]

at least in high diff, i imagine there's a lower difficulty where that flips

[sturdy linden]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-seal-of-approval-approved-approve-approval-gif-26999148

[bronze glade]

perhaps it does, but i don't care about that effect lol

[alpine junco]

y'all should try desperado with needle gun

[reef spoke]

That's my next test

[alpine junco]

need to figure out the build

[grand jewel]

why

[reef spoke]

Waiting until I got max mastery with bonesaw before I make it though

[reef spoke]

I LOVE POISON

[sturdy linden]

For the crit in my case

[alpine junco]

it work REALLY well

[sturdy linden]

Playing a crit bleed/tox setup on it

[grand jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565672718293401653/1321147766805631129/cat_armor_wiki.gif

[somber frigate]

Hmm if you think it’s not too op to have the whole squad for it Im up for it. You like the idea too?

Mainly just trying to spread the seed of the idea hoping it makes it into the gsme

[trim wind]

like it's good that they made dependancy and crate play nice, but the buffs from dependancy just aren't that great

[somber frigate]

[reef spoke]

Brb making dependecy give +40% strength instead

[somber frigate]

I think it’s better than using adrenaline rush for the mine build though. I think? Unless theres yet more anti synergy that Im not aware of

[dim moth]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d5fc2-56f8-401b-99a0-ee054340b580/100-crit-chance-poop-knife

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/cucuso-trippy-psychedelic-psychedelicguy-crazy-gif-12507069

[unkempt tide]

Why just crit shiv when you can go crit cleaver

[versed spruce]

Would give different class' coherency talents a reason to exist

Barely, but still

[unkempt tide]

Sorry bonesaw

[reef spoke]

Yeah I wish auras were a bit more impressive

[novel quest]

is boom bringer good now chat

[dim moth]

shiv attack many fast

cleaver very slow

[somber frigate]

I almost want to go the anarchist just because they go ‘stimms here only the highest quality’

Thats such a good meme

[reef spoke]

I get they're team buffs but I can spend a point on like Vet's Focus Target for a way better team buff

[bronze glade]

BS is soooooo slow

[versed spruce]

I feel like the only reason Anarchist would ever say this is if they laced it

Too friendly, too little chaos

[grand jewel]

auras in general?

[dim moth]

focus target is only on one guy

[grand jewel]

are you comparing aura to a keystone?

[dim moth]

and also locks you out of the 2 keystones that are vastly better for personal damage output

[grand jewel]

[reef spoke]

The Redirect Fire and the toughness/stam regen buffs

[somber frigate]

Or they’re an artisan chef who takes their trade that seriously. The fun happens after their science

[reef spoke]

Yeah

[bronze glade]

fair enough but i think at that point you're still better off taking adren for more opportunities to proc crit

[somber frigate]

Everyone needs their zen space

[reef spoke]

Like there's stand out ones but they're more an exception

[trim wind]

i mean you'd have to go to some to lengths for the cdr to matter, with sample collector your stimm is always ready first

[bronze glade]

ok now show us the uptime on butterfly

[reef spoke]

I love sample collector c:

[somber frigate]

Im thinking not even taking the cdr node doesn’t it also give some other good nodes? I’d play with the cdr node but I doubt you’d take it

Like the node that shortens duration of dependency but ups the buffs you get and isn’t there a damage reduction node too iirc

[unkempt tide]

Chem dependency and some AS buffs help a lot

[somber frigate]

As you can tell I haven’t gotten to scum 30 yet just been paper theorizing when I looked at the end

[unkempt tide]

Idk I just personally like it a lot

[trim wind]

chem dep has cdr base, but it doesn't matter cause sample collector kicks it's ass completely

since there's the node that makes crate available on stimm cd

[bronze glade]

yeah i only take dep with desperado

because it actually helps quite a bit on the 45s cd

but on the other ults?

not worth

[main trellis]

Nah; crit melee is very nice with dependency

[dim moth]

my 100% crit chance tho

[somber frigate]

What if they made the dependency cdr node also apply to your stimm?

🔥

[bronze glade]

your 100% crit chance 20% of the game lol

[main trellis]

Op

[trim wind]

that would be broken

[dim moth]

actually more like 60%

[bronze glade]

yes but adren is even nicer

[somber frigate]

Apply half the cdr then

[dim moth]

I have 67% average crit chance according to power DI

[bronze glade]

given how pathetic the uptime is on butterfly... i really doubt it

[main trellis]

Someone does not kill enough to get cdr for his stimm ig

[dim moth]

with 100% crit knife

[bronze glade]

my man. the entire reason why i rate dependency lowly is because i have sample collector

[trim wind]

sample collector can take a max visc stimm down to 20ish seconds

[somber frigate]

I don’t think stimm cd is like bad necessarily Im just trying to think of synergy ideas

[limber cradle]

Sample Collector goated if you can fit it in ime

[main trellis]

Debatable; if your weapon has crit synergy its better to go for crits; bonesaw excluding

[limber cradle]

Like if you have the points for it I'd just take it

[sturdy linden]

Adrenaline is conditional, chem dep is not

At least, not after the first 3 minutes or so

[somber frigate]

Also if the dependency cdr idea makes it op but sample collector makes it unnecessary, wouldn’t it not be op then

[main trellis]

Does not make sense

[main trellis]

Always can

[sturdy linden]

You're only considering the CDR in this case. Look at the free toughness regen and crit. Most of scum's weapons benefit greatly from crit.

[mossy tapir]

question if anyone knows yet, does stimm supply + chemical dependency + chem fortified work to give you 50% toughness when you place your stimm supply

[main trellis]

Also tdr AND you restore 50% toughness on use of your stimm which basically gives you the toughness restore tree on cartel special for free

[smoky gazelle]

new patch looks pretty good for scum

[keen timber]

i dont feel like toughness restore on stim is very good ngl

[unkempt tide]

Im liking stimm crate and chem dependency now

[somber frigate]

Yeah that’s what I was saying chem depend has more than cdr node

[unkempt tide]

Just spam crate

Spam stimm

[hazy vector]

Does melee count for this?

[unkempt tide]

Profit

[sturdy linden]

Plus with crate you get to have your teammates do drugs every minute or so

[main trellis]

Its alright

[sturdy marsh]

For full stacks of chemical dependence, am I able to take 2 trees in the stimm lab? Or should I stick to 1?

[sturdy linden]

Huge multiplier

[unkempt tide]

Yes

[limber cradle]

Prior to tree tweaks I simply couldnt find the space in Desp builds tbh, at least not how I liked to run them

[novel quest]

ye

[mossy tapir]

yes, it's all damage, including chem toxin if you're so inclined

[dense hollow]

i like chemical dependency for melee weapons with good crit profiles but i avoid it on desperado builds because i need to spend more points and i already get enough desperado

[keen timber]

no, close range damage is ranged only

[main trellis]

Mah man… read the talent

[brittle sierra]

Do shivs want cleave? 🤔

[dim moth]

Kuli guide disagrees

[sturdy linden]

Ya

[brittle sierra]

No seriously

[keen timber]

no way it actually works unlike every other source of close ranged damage

[somber frigate]

Darktide has a long history of talents being worded one way but working a different way

[flint granite]

Oh thank god they buffed boom bringer time to grind the penance

[somber frigate]

No reason to call them out

[sturdy linden]

Why do you think I'm joking

[hazy vector]

???????

[mossy tapir]

lol, lmao

[brittle sierra]

Because this is Darktide

[sturdy linden]

Shivs actually do want cleave

[keen timber]

that doesnt actually say it buffs melee damage

[somber frigate]

Yeah cleave with shiv sounds nice

[sturdy linden]

Greatly improves their horde clear, which is technically their weak point

[mossy tapir]

it buffs ANY damage

[dense hollow]

stat buff: damage_near

[keen timber]

oh I see

[somber frigate]

Shiv seems like a pretty versatile melee

[brittle sierra]

I don't know what to drop for them

[novel quest]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[lilac ermine]

Omg desperado also works lol

[trim wind]

darktide using weird inconsistent wording, unpossible

[main trellis]

UNLESS its close range then ye it should

[novel quest]

I really like the talent tree rework

[main trellis]

Wording

[sturdy linden]

Talent reshuffle is allowing me to play an actually incredibly tanky scummer

I love it

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d9c66-2b84-423c-88c9-cb82d9ea9b38/ripperdoc-2

[tight musk]

But blackouts say "kills at close range generate grenades" and it works for both melee and guns.

[brittle sierra]

I could drop either renewal or welcome

[mossy tapir]

in turn can someone tell me if the stimm supply gives you 50% toughness from chem fortified? it doesn't sound like it but i wanna hear from an eyewitness

[tight musk]

Yes.

[main trellis]

No weakspot dmg yikes

[knotty grotto]

are we arbites tier now

did mr slop agenda pull thru

[mossy tapir]

splendid

[brittle sierra]

I could grab that, but the issue is how thin the talents are

This was originally a clever build before the patch

[dense hollow]

no because rampage didnt get 80% DR

so sad

[brittle sierra]

I could still cope with cleaver tbh

[knotty grotto]

bruh

[brittle sierra]

But shivs are too strong atm

[main trellis]

I would unironically drop close range dmg on dodge for that

[knotty grotto]

glass cannon without the cannon

glass cannon without the glass

[gritty elk]

Claw sword build recommendations?

[brittle sierra]

Close range damage increases toxin damage

[trim wind]

mmm hive scum does insane dmg, especially desperado

[unkempt tide]

It being multiplicative makes the node 10x worse

[hot moth]

launcher blast radius is gigahuge now wtf

[brittle sierra]

Maybe I don't need the extra dependency stack

[hazy vector]

what

[versed spruce]

Picking something that isn't dclaw

[hazy vector]

Put it into garbage bin

[sturdy linden]

Yeah, 14.26% DR instead of 15% is unacceptable

[hazy vector]

otherwise wraith and shred

[versed spruce]

Idk maybe I'll try it on a rampage build

[gritty elk]

imma still commit to the bit

[main trellis]

Ok fair; toxin renewal then

[hazy vector]

Actually i want to try it too

[gritty elk]

hyper critical working makes me wanna demo claw sword

[brittle sierra]

I still can't test this, but does renewal proc with other people meleeing or only your melee?

[gritty elk]

4.5 base stamina on claw makes the attack speed talent seem fun

[main trellis]

Its fatshark wording; i though they meant ‚close ranged damage’ not ‚close range’

[versed spruce]

I don't think claw would be that great since one of the biggest incomes of crit on Scum is from dodging

And rampage wants you to spam attacks instead of waiting to get hit

[main trellis]

Should just be you

I think

[sleek grove]

why on the ever living shitis the DR mutliplicative?!

[brittle sierra]

The issue with dropping it, is you no longer have the consistent toughness Regen anymore 😔

[somber frigate]

Now I want hive scum to have fist claw weapons

[bronze glade]

They're both conditional and extremely easy to maintain

[alpine junco]

ok, i need more testing, but the needle gun doing DUMB numbers

[somber frigate]

Wolverine scum

[bronze glade]

What doesn't

[brittle sierra]

I won't lie I might cope again with cleave

[somber frigate]

Needle gun seems great overall as a utility ranged if you’re melee, for a ranged build I bet it’s still good

[rose flax]

Does back stab power(strength)talent work?

[sturdy linden]

Yes but Adrenaline is combat conditional. Chem dep you'd have up even when engaging fresh between zone transitions or hordes

[brittle sierra]

Cleave is soo horrific into mixed hordes tho

[trim wind]

adrenaline stacks so fast i dont think it really matters

[main trellis]

Despite having crit modifier its not really a crit weapon per say
Stats are… minisqule

[hazy vector]

I think more important part is 25% rending on rampage

[gritty elk]

yur

[brittle sierra]

The critting makes sense because the majority of damage comes from the toxin

[gritty elk]

15% rending from the stim seems solid as well

[bronze glade]

You won't guess what happens when attack speed goes up

[main trellis]

Makes your rampage not last long

[bronze glade]

When are you not in combat?

[sturdy linden]

See I like Adrenaline, I just find Chem Dep very cool and dependable and thematic

[brittle sierra]

When you crit you get 2 stacks of toxin, and another from coated

Making it 3 total Every time you crit

[sturdy linden]

[main trellis]

I don’t use it on dclaw and its funny to deal up to +1k dmg on a crusher

[brittle sierra]

So I know that shred cleaver is strong, the question is if it is consistent enough with the crit stacks to actually kill everything faster than a shiv

[brittle ferry]

we're so back baby

[sturdy linden]

Oh snap I just realized

[frigid thorn]

Any updated ranged builds? The reordering is weird lol

[sturdy linden]

Hypercritical working is gonna make Taxe absolutely broken

[somber frigate]

Hey at least dclaw has pog deflect

[hazy vector]

hyper critical good on shivs?

[sturdy linden]

It will be now

[somber frigate]

Does rendmaxing make dclaw even approach ds power, to anyone whose used it

[brittle sierra]

I think the issue is that weapons that want crit also don't want the toxin buffs except cleaver

[hazy vector]

From which ocean did you gather this pearl of wisdom?

[sturdy linden]

I am using tox/bleed shivs on one build

[hazy vector]

What about hgyper vilence?

[brittle sierra]

Stop

[sturdy linden]

Always

[robust sable]

Extremely so

[limber cradle]

Hyper crit and precision violence aren't incompatible now, correct?

[sturdy linden]

I'm gonna post my score next match

[frigid thorn]

Oh yeah, is TacAxe good for a backup melee weapon for a Desperado build?

[somber frigate]

Depends on your ranged choice I bet. Probably?

[main trellis]

Practice; you take that talent only to deal with crushers and if you heavy att them all the time your timer lowers cause its not spammy enough
Not to mention it stops working below 5s timer which is dogshit

[bronze glade]

Dclaw will always be way better at horde clear at the expense of single target

[hazy vector]

my reasoninng is that shivs don't have that high damage in every swing

[limber cradle]

Damn, I kinda am not in love with the tree changes tbh.

[tight musk]

I swear, it feels like sometimes the toxin nade just kinda vanishes.

I had it happen a couple of times on the train map, Rolling Steel or whatever.

[main trellis]

Try mk1 light att spam

[frigid adder]

Whats a good setup for tact axe?

[main trellis]

On rampage

[somber frigate]

Yeah I just asked since ds is still ok at horde, but maxing rending for dclaw might make it really narrow the difference

[frigid thorn]

Hive City Brawler seems like a weird one to pick up now with where it is

[somber frigate]

Ignoring bossing probably

[bronze glade]

Dclaw? That sounds terrible gonna be real

[hazy vector]

goddamit, i really can't decide how to better do this part of the tree, i really need everything

[bronze glade]

The lights are so weak

[dense hollow]

these 2 conditionals make it not worth the point like on any weapon choice

[somber frigate]

I think he meant try ds light spam vs horde

[limber cradle]

It felt more convenient to path into before, and I unironically liked pathing with the +1 dodge for guns. I hate that I have to go out of my way to get sticky hands now.

[main trellis]

Its not terrible i tell you that
Silly more so; you light soam while rampaging a crusher & you win

[frigid thorn]

Exactly, having the same issue here.

[somber frigate]

Oh Im wrong

[bronze glade]

I don't think there's a mk1 dsword

[frigid thorn]

Used to be able to just nab the 2 toughness/survivability things on the middle tree now I have to grab weird ones

[somber frigate]

And I missed mk1

[main trellis]

No: mk1 dclaw light spam vs singles

[brittle sierra]

One crusher: 😈

[main trellis]

Try it

[limber cradle]

The only thing I'm willing to grab for it is elite damage which I tbh did not originally run

[sturdy linden]

[somber frigate]

I’ll try it sometime

[bronze glade]

Doesn't dclaw have like ten percent flak adm on sweeping lights

[main trellis]

There is mk1, 4 & 7

[main trellis]

You spam lights only

[frigid thorn]

Yeah that's a good one, I'll nab that to path to Brawler

[bronze glade]

I'll look into it but I can't see it topping seven

[main trellis]

With all the crits & power/str you melt stuff

[limber cradle]

I don't like any node pathing into Vultures tbh, I liked having QnD to path through

Idk

[bronze glade]

Rampage is just silly tbh

[supple torrent]

Maaan I wish hypercrit worked on ogryns.

[limber cradle]

Overall I do not think I'm a fan of the tree changes

[frigid thorn]

now I don't have sticky hands lmao

need to find a point

[main trellis]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16645667821382222067/833CF3130A83D938F44DFB95908FC94099E29A74/

I hope the link works… (before this patch btw; its more refined now)

[limber cradle]

Sticky hands was legit preem QoL for me, was my favorite first node

[frigid thorn]

Do you need Jittery?

[vast yoke]

shredder autopistol blessings? blaze away + cavalade/pinning fire or speedloader?

[west lagoon]

So am i getting this right using the Bonesaw the Chem Toxin from it cancels Toxic Renewal thoughness and Blackout restock but they fixed it on the needle gun ?

[hazy vector]

what was it

[low harbor]

it is very good
it's however not "tis but a scratch" tier good

[frigid thorn]

I'm running Blaze Away + Pinning Fire, although you could try Calvacade for proccing being invunlerable lol

[frigid adder]

Is this good for tact axe?

[random shuttle]

alright uff, done with the penances, now just the mission ones left and its a wrap

[vast yoke]

mkay any perks or the usual flakaniac

[limber cradle]

40 percent swap speed, 10 percent less recoil 30 percent less spread firing from the hip or bracing

[dense hollow]

headtaker better than relentless strikes imo

[frigid thorn]

Flakaniac so far

[bronze glade]

Hmm link is busted for me

[limber cradle]

Congrats man

[frigid thorn]

Oh yeah is Rashad any good on a shooter build, or still best on the Rampage builds?

[bronze glade]

Good if you take adren

[main trellis]

Yeah i noticed
Once i return home i make a new clip

[low harbor]

rampage

[supple torrent]

Is there any benefits of running shedder autos vs dual sutos?

[low harbor]

got buffed this patch

freed 3 points lol

can take sample collector now

[limber cradle]

I lost a point tbh

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1448001920437321919/6F087A1.MP4?ex=6939ac60&is=69385ae0&hm=2b00961ec2c8a7123906940aaf583cdbec9265ecd97e8195df7f7830de5cac2c&

brainrot tier melee dps

[limber cradle]

I didn't use any pathing node that's at the top of vultures now, I have to go out of my way to pick up moving target and sticky hands

[calm aurora]

nope

[frigid thorn]

yeah I miss moving target and sticky hands

[hallow creek]

the inital reaction is that these node swaps are booty?

[signal nebula]

I have no idea what these builds look like where you have less points

All of my builds got 2 extra

[signal nebula]

No the swaps were 10/10 imo

[fluid ether]

the phrasing wasn't clear enough: if you activate the ability with the correct timing (instead of actually dodging), the dodge effect also procs those talents/blessing. I've rephrased that bit now

[bronze glade]

Faster reload probably better boss dps

[low harbor]

u basically get both Tis but a scratch and BoE for free now

saves 2 points minimum

[signal nebula]

Ye

[somber frigate]

Another pixicrazy idea

Swap chem dep cdr with crit chance node. That way a stimm supply build that doesn’t need cdr can just ignore the cdr node. Thoughts on that?

[signal nebula]

So like, the only way you could have less points is if Ur build was bad

[young herald]

it let me shift some points around to get different talents. I'm not sure if it's 'better' yet, but the nodes I was able to pick up are quite nice

[supple torrent]

ah makes sense

[limber cradle]

Okay, but i also take sticky hands and nimble which are both now something I don't get pathing, I got both of those pathing into Hive City Brawler too

[calm aurora]

what is your rashad builderoo?

[low harbor]

I still think dependency needs work tho

[hallow creek]

depends what youre using your stimm supply for

[signal nebula]

Whole tree does

I have a hit list

[limber cradle]

I have to spend extra points on sticky hands and nimble now, along with a pathing node through elite damage

[young herald]

like, my build basically traded jittery for hyper-critical, which is yuge

[frigid thorn]

I just skipped taking Nimble on my ranged build lol

[low harbor]

rashad + needle VI

[limber cradle]

I like dodgemaxxing

[main trellis]

Atleast for now i can provide this; this was just an auric mael with that build & mk1 dclaw spam - @pulsar aspen can confirm the sillyness of it cause he tried it too

[bronze glade]

Isn't nimble in the same place?

[frigid thorn]

Me too 😢

[limber cradle]

Nah, nimble was where burst is now

[calm aurora]

why hypercritical and hyperviolence? @low harbor it's not supposed to work together

[low harbor]

no?

[young herald]

no

nimble didn't move

[dense hollow]

I was there too it was pretty wild

[limber cradle]

Unload was where nimble is

[low harbor]

nimble is same place

[bronze glade]

Ah might be mixing up

[hallow creek]

wow i cant take nimble into jittery LAME

[somber frigate]

The biggest complaint seems to be that sample collector is good enough that stimm supply makes cdr unnecessary. And I don’t think the chem dependency cdr is good enough to be able to be better than sample collector.

I wonder if sample collector will get nerfed

[limber cradle]

Please look at the old tree

[young herald]

guy's talking out his ass. nimble remains the middle node 2 rows below grenades

[limber cradle]

My bad

Moving target

I'm still drinking coffee

[frigid thorn]

yeah its moving target with teh dodge that moved lol

[long lotus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07e0327-1bf5-42f9-a9bd-851793671046/turns-out-knifetaxe-are-good-on-the-high-damage-high-crit-class?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

am i loosing the plot

[limber cradle]

I have to go out of my way to pick up moving target and sticky hands now

[acoustic quail]

this class makes me despise pox bursters even more

[limber cradle]

I liked moving target

I really liked sticky hands

[calm aurora]

build is before the hotfix

[tawny salmon]

is heavy sword legit on scum?

[young herald]

the reshuffling of talents means gameslantern builds are funky

[long lotus]

ahhh ok

[limber cradle]

Yeah, can one tap crushers with forced rending iirc

[young herald]

yes, heavy sword is fantastic

[low harbor]

hypercrit = crit 1 tap mauler & scab rager
hyperviolence = rashad inherently builds a lot of overkill
they're not for the same targets

if u ever find them "conflicting" just ask urself how much u crit compared to how much u overkill, then ask urself this:
would u prefer taking 2 hits to kill (and getting overkill for next atks)
or 1 with hypercrit (and not building overkill) to then BM through and hit more stuff

[long lotus]

anyone got a build for shivs?

[young herald]

for all melee weapons, really

[hazy vector]

why no 25% rending

also what is jittery

[low harbor]

this highkey (not even lowkey) ass wtf

[hazy vector]

No cleave?

[calm aurora]

[dense hollow]

25% rending is bait because of bad conditionals

[signal nebula]

You have like, 2 talents there you don't need

[young herald]

jittery is the 40% faster dodge recharge when >75% stamina

[main trellis]

No weakspot dmg yikes

[limber cradle]

Highkey its the only screenshot I have of a build before treework

[low harbor]

do u rly need that rending node for rashad

[limber cradle]

Only screenshot i have of old tree

[hazy vector]

yes

[low harbor]

what for

[sturdy marsh]

Chem dependency made me realize how fun drug addiction really is

[young herald]

just move the point in elite damage over to it if you wanna run a weapon that needs cleave like the saw

[young herald]

weakspot damage is highly weapon-dependent

[hazy vector]

[low harbor]

cd rate still doesn't matter much for stim crate cuz stim recharge time matters more
maybe dependency should reduce stim recharge time instead?

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/britney-spears-knives-gif-14868055867864097494

[manic wolf]

Its just bad pretty much every time. Same calculation as it is on curio weakspot damage

[idle ore]

My goat while you’re here, extra cleave is unnecessary on brutal momentum weapons?

[signal nebula]

🙂

[frigid thorn]

Does this look ok for a Desperado build, or should I change some stuff up? using Shredder Autopistol + Tactical Axe for now.

[fleet estuary]

I made it easier to read

[young herald]

nah, if you've got a high-finesse weapon, then it can be pretty good. It's just the exception rather than the rule

[low harbor]

except rampage's subnode, that one is worth

[manic wolf]

Idk man, Im not gonna spend points for another 200 damage on most weapons when you can get more elsewhere

[signal nebula]

i would swap TDR on reload for something else personally, don't really like that talent

[frigid thorn]

I can honestly never tell if that node is doing anything lol

[limber cradle]

Which?

[signal nebula]

TDR on reload

it's very mid

[manic wolf]

An 200 is likke best case scenario for weakspot buff, most of the time its gunna be between 100-150 for most weapons. It is just ass

[limber cradle]

Do not like it tbh

[calm aurora]

even if that dmg is the one enabling bm to proce or reach a satisfying bp?

[frigid thorn]

ok

i guess I can take nimble or sticky hands

[manic wolf]

It wont tho

[signal nebula]

go with longer stimm, spread reduction thingy or Hyper Violence imo

[hallow creek]

the biggest wins are hypercritical is back on the table and blackouts can regen consistenly !

[manic wolf]

Oh we had patch yeah?

[young herald]

to be clear, it's not something you should be running for most weapons. It's just one of those things that's good on specific ones

[calm aurora]

it depends on the weapon, and +25% wp dmg is roughly 10-15% + dmg iirc

[frigid thorn]

Hyper Violence + HyperCritical together?

[young herald]

so to be clear, blackout regen has not changed meaningfully unless you ran needle pistol

[low harbor]

hell yea

[young herald]

and even then it only is direct hits from the needle pistol that now count toward it

[calm aurora]

@unique dagger

[frigid thorn]

Good even on TacAxe Desperado builds, not Rampage?

[tawny salmon]

i dont have scum, do you have a build link i could share w a friend

[main trellis]

Free dmg for melee oriented builds; weapon does not matter
Also works for your ranged

[hallow creek]

pocket tox took your close kills prior to this no?

[robust sable]

Had to solo clutch on Auric Hi-STG.
Thank god for the newly buffed Boom Bringer otherwise I might not have managed.

[low harbor]

sure?

[frigid thorn]

ok

[robust sable]

One of the Vets had Field Improvisation, which came in massive fucking clutch.

[young herald]

it's very small damage. REmember, weakspot damage only increases the amount of bonus damage from hitting weakspots

[limber cradle]

I do not, was one of Coles.

[robust sable]

I love Field Improv Vets so much.

[low harbor]

but tac axe without desperado has pretty meh dps tbh

[manic wolf]

Oh hey lets go, Stubbers got thier proper finesse multipliers

And Boombringer buff

Very based

[young herald]

if that node was weakspot strength, it would 100% be worth taking in every build, but weakspot damage is not a particularly good stat as a rule

[main trellis]

And you wanna hit weakspots to begin with
Why every vet build grab precision strikes? I dunno

[limber cradle]

Is the one in vet tree weakspot strength?

[frigid thorn]

What's a good weapon to run with a Desperado shooter build anyways

[calm aurora]

there's two

[young herald]

yes

[gritty elk]

dump stat on needle pistol?

[limber cradle]

That makes so much more sense now

[calm aurora]

precision strikes is dmg

[azure mist]

It’s more just you should be hitting weakspots in general

It’s free extra damage

[frigid thorn]

I can never find a comfortable backup melee weapon to use with desperado lol

[robust sable]

Anything that's not Ammo tbh lmao

[azure mist]

Like every class should be if possible

[limber cradle]

Ime Shivs

[main trellis]

Says ‚damage’; is it once again a classic fatshark typo?

[low harbor]

dual shivs (mk1) maybe

I think shivs are now 2nd best hvs melee

[robust sable]

Mk I Shivs haven't let me down.

[calm aurora]

marksman is power, precision is dmg

[gritty elk]

i got one with 60 stability, is the difference needed or nah?

[manic wolf]

Shivs, Knife, TacAxe

[robust sable]

Rock Hyper-Critical on Mk I Shivs and Desperado builds can keep up just fine in melee.

[young herald]

i think there's a second node that gives damage instead

[robust sable]

Nah, that's fine.

[low harbor]

precision strikes? it's Wdmg
marksman? it's str on weakspot hit

[calm aurora]

precision strikes

[low harbor]

not same thing

[azure mist]

I keep thinking it’s meh solely cause Crit was bugged but they literally fixed it today

[low harbor]

hvs's sweet spot is Wdmg

[lapis raft]

mk6 knife push attack or mk1 shivs with special if you need clutch for crushers

[robust sable]

Tbf it's always been able to keep up in melee, but now you actually get your Toughness.

So it's only better than before.

[main trellis]

Precision strikes is 30% weakspot dmg
The sweet spot is 25% weakspot damage
Not taking those is sillyness

[calm aurora]

it's precision strikes with 5% less

[manic wolf]

Tbh even now I'll still be taking Hyperviolence over Hypercrit on Shivs coz that shit stacks up so fast

[main trellis]

Lightly speaking

[rotund agate]

btw, does hyper-crit proc on-kill effects now, or was the fix just for the Precision Violence interaction only?

[fleet estuary]

unless they move stuff around more or buff the other passives, I thinkthis middle part will never change for any build lmao

[low harbor]

yea

[pulsar aspen]

@robust sable The bug has been fixed?

[frigid thorn]

Hyperviolence works well with the shivs too?

[robust sable]

I like Hyper-Critical because it helps with more spread out Gunners 'n' the likes.
Dodging for +40% crit and then WHAM, insta kill, and then repeat.

[gritty elk]

dump on dual pistols?

[robust sable]

Auto Pistols are for the grouped up enemies.

[robust sable]

Mobility

[fast surge]

This was fixed no?

[robust sable]

or Collateral.

[frigid thorn]

I can deal with not having the spread and recoil buffs from sticky hands if hyperviolence is cracked lol

[bronze glade]

Seems kinda meh

[north meteor]

if only it actually worked with on kill effects

[bronze glade]

Sticky hands is damn good

[low harbor]

it's good, just not permanently mandatory

[bronze glade]

I think it's mostly fixed

[lapis raft]

make dots work with on kill effects first no hit special treatment smh my head

[azure mist]

When I’m running a Desperado build I’m usually using VIAG or SAP

[calm aurora]

why don't you want to take that on the class that has most of the finesse and crit weapons. It's like not taking something with stagger on arbites

[north meteor]

is it?

[frigid thorn]

It is lol

[manic wolf]

Tbh at this point im excited to have another charge on Boombringer

[young herald]

so let's say you have a weapon that does 40% more damage on weakspot hits. +25% weakspot damage means you get 0.4 * 0.25 = 0.1 extra damage on the hit, doing 150% on weakspot hits

[main trellis]

Try vet with no precision strikes and you’ll see why every build takes it
HS melee should too

[north meteor]

or just make both

[low harbor]

it's not a must take on vet either

[young herald]

it's extra damage and is nice, but the value of it is heavily dependent on the weakspot multiplier of the weapon

[pulsar aspen]

@fast surge Yeah it was fixed, that's why i deleted the message

[low harbor]

again it depends on the weapons u bring

[bronze glade]

How much actual damage is it though. Like on a weapon with sixty percent finesse it's less than 10 percent extra damage

[lapis raft]

true, but it looks like they are fixing on kill effects 1 by 1 and per weapon (as per the super specific needler on kill fix lmfao)

[low harbor]

it just happens that vet's strongest melee is a finesse powerhouse

but if u bring smth like shovel + DB then it rly doesn't matter that much

[calm aurora]

yes the taxe

[iron maple]

Hey, whats the differences between these marks?

[main trellis]

Agayek pls; its literally 5% less weakspot dmg than a node on another class that is picked EVERY SINGLE TIME
Don’t be silly & try to state its not worth taking…

[young herald]

one makes enemies explode on death, the other makes them spread aids on death

[bronze glade]

Here

[north meteor]

explosion alt vs spread alt

[muted pivot]

dual autos dump stat is mobility?

[young herald]

i just gave you the math on it

[azure mist]

I didn’t even realize there was alts for the needle pistol lmao

It’s just that good in general

[iron maple]

Oh I see it now , thank you!

[muted pivot]

and do shivs like flak/carapace?

[bronze glade]

Don't blame you

[unique dagger]

I know, this was the initial reason for the combining but

[low harbor]

yes

[muted pivot]

or should I go with something else

[unique dagger]

choosing one is better

grab another dmg buff

[north meteor]

Yea true. After this I need them to give me my perma stun Zealot back. I don't like the new CD nodes because I don't get holy relic every 5s anymore

[rose flax]

How does blessed stims work with one wound left? Like your grey
It doesn't work to the next wound but the current one, so I was curious

[calm aurora]

no to book spam

[lapis raft]

even light damage is an overstatement that thing actually tickles stuff :d

[unreal osprey]

@novel oracle are your builds updated for the patch

[north meteor]

book spam fun

[dense hollow]

then you go up to the max on your one wound

[bronze glade]

Yeah like ten damage lol

[unreal osprey]

dont skull react me im bad at making my own builds :(

[rose flax]

So you can get downed again?

[dense hollow]

no

you die

[north meteor]

they're going to be the same nodes at different locations lol. Nothing was changed except location

you get a free point now though

[frigid thorn]

What do you take on the Shivs, Flak+Carapace/Uncanny Strike+Precog?

[rose flax]

Oh right, it's not the current wound that makes you die it's the previous ones, yeah, sorry about that

[frigid thorn]

Or riposte for Hypercritical lol

[north meteor]

I take uncanny riposte I think

[frigid thorn]

makes sense

[broken bear]

I take uncanny precog

Either works

[hazy vector]

casual 92% crit chance

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/sister-act-gif-15333518860666381806

[robust sable]

I do Carapace + Stamina and Uncanny Strike + Riposte

[north meteor]

this is exactly how I act everytime book is up

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-black-ops-1-cod-black-ops-1-viktor-reznov-alex-mason-call-of-duty-black-ops-gif-1473702653510867311

[broken bear]

Is hyper crit fixed now btw

[calm aurora]

glad you know the reference, feeling old right now

[calm aurora]

yes

[broken bear]

Oh we are so back

[azure mist]

https://tenor.com/view/black-ops-1-black-ops-call-of-duty-call-of-duty-black-ops-1-alex-mason-gif-12437532490567168348

[high gull]

Are you actually gonna play

[azure mist]

You reminding me to do the penances

Lmao

[frigid thorn]

THE NUMBERS MASON

[main trellis]

Even on non-finesse weapons i take it - its free dmg
We came from a standpoint that 30% weakspot dmg is goated to takes that its not a must take either for vet or 5% worse counterpart for HS
WTH? Those chem toxin fumes be bussin i guess

[broken bear]

Tonight I am gonna

[main trellis]

[broken bear]

I’m back at like 4:30-5

[north meteor]

wait hyper crit works on kill effects now? like 100%?

[high gull]

EST doesn't exist

What's this in CST

[rotund agate]

but can it also proc on-kill effects like Sample Collector?

[hallow creek]

I HAVE A NEED, A NEED TO DODGE

[high gull]

I've got a fever

[high gull]

And the only cure

Is more dodge talents

[rose flax]

How? I've only been able to get 72.50

[calm aurora]

it was the interaction with precision strikes that was fixed

[frigid thorn]

I guess this is what I'm going to run with for Desperado for now?

[muted python]

an hour behind

[hallow creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa9Zg6yGlQ4

[rotund agate]

ah, so its a bad idea to use it with sample collector...

[calm aurora]

@low harbor

[flat mist]

You can get 112.5 or something stupid without even having any tram buffs lel

[manic wolf]

Im a little worried about the node movement this patch ngl. Need to log in an look at the tree, but i think its probably fucked at least one or two of my setups :/

[azure mist]

It didn’t delete builds

But you should look over them

[zealous ravine]

ermm ermm?? uh... ermm is that the heckin rocket

[flat mist]

It's an improvement to any melee build

[main trellis]

They did not reset the trees so do check everything up; preferably reset the whole tree & rebuild

[main trellis]

I saw it too today; silly

[flat mist]

Ranged builds now forced into elites/monstrosity damage to get hive city brawler

[limber cradle]

Tf2 soldier ass weapon

[high gull]

underbarrel attatchment

simple as

[manic wolf]

We'll see, its ranged build im most worried about

[main trellis]

In what world you would not pick free dmg vs most dangerous enemies?
Aka good

[manic wolf]

Oh fantastic so builds are gonna look super scuffed when you load them up

[slender plinth]

does strength/attack speed from stimms apply to ranged weapons?

[fast surge]

Yes

[main trellis]

Yes

[slender plinth]

oh no

[low harbor]

ur not seeing the nuance in this
vet takes it most of the time because half of vet's ranged arsenal are aiming for 1~2 hs kills on gunner/flamer, and vet's strongest melee is a finesse powerhouse, and vet can actually go take almost all their dmg talents without much consideration because there are only so many good dmg talents on vet tree

one of hvs's best ranged options (needle pistol) gets insignificantly little value from +Wdmg so if u take that gun, this is mostly a melee pick, and there are situationally more important talents for certain melee weapons than this. never said it was bad or anything

the build u sent me earlier skipped both hypercrit and pickpocket, both are pretty much undebatably better than +25%Wdmg for most weapons

[flat mist]

You're joking, right? There's so many good nodes on the tree. A lot of builds have to leave multiple damage nodes in the table

[young herald]

i mean, feel free to take it if you really want it. It's gonna be extra damage and it's not terrible. You'd get more value out of a lot of other talents though

[winged bay]

25% weakspot is okay for shivs, not that great for a lot of other things

[main trellis]

I never leave that node & i have the rest that is needed

[limber cradle]

Tbh I would only take weakspot damage if I ran Vraks IAG or the spinny pistols

[trim wind]

weakspot only worth it on weapons with good finesse

yea

[frigid thorn]

What do you guys end up taking for the Needle pistol, Crit chance and reload speed?

[dense hollow]

no

boost the damage types you want to be most effective against

like carapce/unyielding

[frigid thorn]

The damage bonus applies when you have the weapon out, right?

[low harbor]

it's actually not even worth for dual 1911s

[bronze glade]

Yeah

[low harbor]

u cannot hit gunner/flamer 1 taps with spin shots without specific dedicated ranged spec

[frigid thorn]

I'll just slap Unyielding Carapace on it and call it a day

[dense hollow]

yeah but since you'll be holding it out while shooting at the enemies you'll still get the benefit for a bit til you switch to your melee which will also have a damage perk

[zealous ravine]

incredible

[sacred estuary]

Is the Hyper Critical talent safe to use after Hotfix 83?

[low harbor]

and it doesn't reduce the gun's shots to kill above damnation

[limber cradle]

I tried so very hard to make them do that tbh

[frigid thorn]

Yeah, I'll just slap Unyielding/Carapace on it lol

[calm aurora]

looks like anal beads

[main trellis]

I recently saw ppl were talking about hypercrit being fixed; thats a consideration as for pickpocket - micromanaging exists (basically for desperado only)

[broken bear]

Remove an hour

[bronze glade]

I've just accepted it's a 2-3 tap gun

[frigid thorn]

anything with Blessings for the Needle Pistol?

[low harbor]

even before then, pickpocket was still much stronger than 25%Wdmg in majority of cases

and yes hypercrit + pickpocket is almost mandatory atm

[sacred estuary]

The square one for a surprise

[low harbor]

they're just way too good

[low harbor]

I take point blank + run&gun now

[bronze glade]

Hypercrit that good?

[high gull]

Aye bring me a drink before you get home

[low harbor]

broken op

[high gull]

I want a fucken uhhhhhhhh

[frigid thorn]

Carapace/Unyielding for the perks?

[high gull]

Sprite

[bronze glade]

How so? I can't math

[low harbor]

unyielding flak

[sacred estuary]

I would take those perks.

[worn canopy]

https://youtu.be/S2VA5hXo6pw?si=NkkLECpmk9pRt28W

The funny

[worn canopy]

“You got money im hungry, I haven’t eaten a day” -hive scum

[frigid thorn]

Rashad still Unarmored/Carapace, BM/Headtaker right?

I like how it always returns to the Rasahd with Unarmored

[main trellis]

I feel like, exept desperado builds, pickpcket is ‚i don’t need to consider micromanaging my ammo; i just spam’ type shit = bad imo
Not the talent but what it teaches

[bronze glade]

Lol what the fuck. This is on a desperado build?

[worn canopy]

Rashad high skill ceiling against pack of crusher with an axe alone

[astral sundial]

Yo fellow scummies

[calm aurora]

I find it easier with a taxe tbh

[low harbor]

yes

[calm aurora]

more stagger and better dodges

[astral sundial]

Any builds with a working rocketlauncher emerge yet?

[bronze glade]

Crazy shit

[flat mist]

It's lower skill ceiling than pretty much every other melee option

[bronze glade]

I guess I'll take hypercrit on every build

[limber cradle]

This just hypercrit or?

[dense hollow]

there's nothing complicated with rocket launcher, just slap the blitz on an existing build

[low harbor]

just hypercrit, on a ranged build

[limber cradle]

Tbh I was running it before the tweaks and ime it was still worth using, just broke a lot of shit.

[calm aurora]

more like hypercrime

[worn canopy]

Getting quick kill crusher is harder with low mobility

[limber cradle]

Yeah, that makes sense, ty.

[frigid thorn]

ok thanks for the help guys, I think I have everything sorted lol

[bronze glade]

Are you taking hypercrit and violence together on every build?

[azure mist]

No they clash with each other

[near mauve]

wait this is without melee investing?

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/bulwark-roblox-bulwark-london-stab-knife-gif-gif-5132763945887303708

[azure mist]

It’s one or the other with choices

[near mauve]

@obsidian crown look at this shit

[bronze glade]

Well path takes both on rashad

[low harbor]

well, not super dedicated melee spec

[bronze glade]

So my question is for other weapons

[low harbor]

I can show u worse

[broken bear]

Oh my fuck

[obsidian crown]

What

[lilac ermine]

How 1 hit mauler and ragers?

[near mauve]

this

[high gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1083810392456831076/1_chensord_pls.gif?ex=65453415&is=6532bf15&hm=477b2f782537c1d28b00bb37f24a21c36785f83774efdc4cee65dbab95cf5259&

[low harbor]

if I can yea

except bonesaw ig

[obsidian crown]

What about it…?

[low harbor]

bonesaw just horrendous

[near mauve]

desperado build

[obsidian crown]

Yeah…?

[bronze glade]

Got it. Which one would you prioritize if you can only get one?

[near mauve]

i thought u said its ass to melee on a dedicated desprado spec

[low harbor]

if u can only get 1, u fked up somewhere else in the tree imo

lol

[obsidian crown]

He’s meleeing easy stuff

[bronze glade]

Yeah fair

[obsidian crown]

Do it on a crusher

[lilac ermine]

Is hypercrit work on ranged

[low harbor]

hypercrit doesn't work on crusher

[bronze glade]

Nope

[obsidian crown]

That’s my point to cyber

[bronze glade]

See that's what I tested it on lol

[worn canopy]

Thats what am thinking

[obsidian crown]

Better to just shoot anything else

[near mauve]

nvm i thought it worked

[frigid thorn]

I guess I can give up on Jittery to nab Hyperviolence?

[hazy vector]

ok this build is pretty funny
I did not even have optimal ranged, should have taken needle instead of double barrel
ALso if a horde gets hit by stimm crate, you can get your stim reset
Which means i should try to make 100% viscosity stim with this build
Also look at amount of crits dealth lol

[limber cradle]

Tbh dude you'd have to actually hold me hostage to get me to use the Rashad nowadays

[low harbor]

instakill only works for human enemies

[dense hollow]

if the description is accurate it just straight up doesn't work on crusher since it isn't a human sized enemy

[low harbor]

still op

[calm aurora]

you know what, I was thinking about making a spam black tox build

[woeful hill]

lol

would be funny

[limber cradle]

Rashad is DS tier boring to me

[hazy vector]

+20% is from chem dependancy

[woeful hill]

baby chem nades

[hazy vector]

How?

[balmy radish]

which blessings on needler

[low harbor]

sprint cancel tech

[worn canopy]

He’s a rashad propagandist

[limber cradle]

Tbf it's a weapon that just works

Its kinda impossible to go wrong with Rashad

[hazy vector]

the build i used here

[limber cradle]

Has been the case for like 3 years

[calm aurora]

regen too, because right now without a vet and field improv, chem stocks are fucking high

[low harbor]

it is ass compared to a full melee build
but ranged build is complete brainrot atm so it doesn't matter that much

[worn canopy]

I thinking of rashad on hive scum can’t kill crusher fast when there’s pack of them targetting you

[low harbor]

@near mauve

[worn canopy]

Overhead overhead overhead all time on cusher

[hazy vector]

i tihnk i am starting to open up for chem build

[near mauve]

gunner brutal momentum

bing bong wahooo

weak class btw

[hazy vector]

although it requires effort to make it so enemies get hit by the chem crate

[azure mist]

LMAO

[hazy vector]

ALso why it is mentionned NOWHERE that chem crate fully restores toughness?

[broken bear]

What’s shivs base crit rate

[compact oyster]

arbitesmaxxing right now

[keen timber]

what's the bolt pistols ideal dump stat? is it collat, stab or mobi?

[worn canopy]

12.25 sometbing

[broken bear]

Oh lawd

[worn canopy]

10% is base character crits

[azure mist]

White beard looking ass

[rancid coral]

Lots of people in the forums called me a fun hater because I said pickpocket is OP and should have a melee proc rather than just on kill

[bronze glade]

Collateral probably

[rancid coral]

xdddd

[low harbor]

it shud be way more conditional yea

[clever wren]

can't pick pockets at 200m
Never gonna make it

[worn canopy]

Mk3 bistol I won’t dump collats if explosion affect from the stats

[low harbor]

stricter condition + lengthy ICD

[rancid coral]

It's like they made BOUNTY HUNTER IN VT2

And that one has a talent that does the same thing but

[rancid coral]

Your ammo must be empty, and the kill must be done with melee

For some reason they decided to ignore what they did with BH

[oak bramble]

this is beatuyful

[rancid coral]

And just give em infinite ammo for using his ranged weapon

yay

[sacred estuary]

40k light saber

[lapis raft]

well making he requirement to be close range kill in general would make sense at least

[oak bramble]

hiving my scum till i atoned

[lapis raft]

i dont rly like if they forced it to be melee only

[woeful hill]

the horror

[compact oyster]

is this hyper critical?

[near mauve]

[lapis raft]

would just be veteran wep swap playstyle

and tahts well

[low harbor]

yea

[lapis raft]

veteran thing

not scum thing

[compact oyster]

jesus christ

[azure mist]

Weak class btw

[low harbor]

compared to this, yes the previous clip of hypercrit was nothing impressive

[rancid coral]

Essentially having x4 damaging crits (outside of Havoc) is really funny

[azure mist]

Weaker than Veteran

[worn canopy]

Only ability reliability make them strong. Using rashad without rampage you be doom with pack of crusher without blitz charges

[lunar field]

Need someone to check if this is bugged for them too:

[Chemical Dependency] with [Maxed Out Chems], Cartel Special cooldown is 45s (15/30 Vol 50% Visc).

Keystone passive should last 60s, meaning 15s window to stimm; instead the passive expires exactly as the stimm comes off cd.

[frigid thorn]

Bro literally spawncamped the rager before he could even materialize

[near mauve]

have u tried dodging

[compact oyster]

ill drop hyper violence for crit when its fixed

[rancid coral]

It was fixed

[compact oyster]

also hyper crit stub pistol gameplay

[rancid coral]

Today

[low harbor]

I still don't think hvs as a whole is better than vet

[compact oyster]

lalalalala

[azure mist]

It was today

[low harbor]

it is fixed
and u shud get both

[grand jewel]

what about that is bugged?

[worn canopy]

Can you dodge crusher timing attack all together at you? Or you ran out dodges and trash mob ganging you

[near mauve]

hypercrit being fixed is basically le meta cause this is funny as fuck

[hazy vector]

i actually was 100% sure it was only on melee, and was surprised when i recieved ammo after killing some elite with gun

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-impact-frames-super-monkey-ball-dap-up-dap-me-up-gif-2157409995373244689

[hazy vector]

weird it is not

[near mauve]

if you postioned yourself to get swarmed like this you're doing something severely wrong

[compact oyster]

ill try out ranged again then with hyper crit

[frigid thorn]

for melee build stims, it's still basically just going down the Cooldown tree and nabbing HypeX right

[flat mist]

10 base, 5 aura, 5 small node, 5 weapon, 12.5 shivs, 20 riposte, 20 butterfly, 20 chem dep, 15 stimm

[worn canopy]

It depend where area some teammate too busy dealing the enemies with rashad you felt slower dodging compare to shive much more fluid

[flat mist]

You can get 120% on the needle gun lmao

[worn canopy]

Even taxe too

[low harbor]

on a rashad this'd be 4 dead scab ragers in a single swing btw

[rancid coral]

Me playing H40 shooting only Vraks and switching melee only to push poxburster away

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[near mauve]

weak class btw

doesnt bring anything new to the game

[low harbor]

or tac axe

[woeful hill]

Taxe is so strong on scum

[low harbor]

tac axe with melee spec also insane

[high gull]

All glass no cannon

[low harbor]

but

rashad hits harder still

[near mauve]

the no cannon in question is 10 dead crushers with 1 bazooka

[flat mist]

Hyper crit let's bm proc?

[rancid coral]

Nah I think the previous criticism of the class being weak was fair

[low harbor]

rashad hits hard but I'm harder

[flat mist]

Thats surprising

[rancid coral]

Because the level grind was cancerous

[low harbor]

BM procs as long as it's weakspot kill

[worn canopy]

Caxe is restricting mobility of scum a lot. Taxe much smoother gameplay going

[low harbor]

hypercrit is kill

[near mauve]

i like how the class completely mindbroke people just because it has a clear downside (you're not god)

[lapis raft]

the amount of bugs was kinda cancerous too :d

[flat mist]

Hyper crit shouldn't be weakspot lol

[low harbor]

u can proc BM with hypercrit as long as it's crit weakspot hit kill

[rancid coral]

My guy the class did nothing until you fully leveled it before

[near mauve]

yeah i know

[keen timber]

actually just whining of people that have skill issue imo

[lapis raft]

it was def misery before grabbing the defensive triangle at least

[near mauve]

but im talking about sloptubers making 5 hour videos shitting on it after fully leveling it

[flat mist]

I understand lol

[calm aurora]

better dodges than rashad, better crit base, actual stagger... 🫃

[rancid coral]

????

Dude no lol, like sure we can win with it but during leveling the class was so ass compared to the rest

Now it's more reasonable

[worn canopy]

Paid class expect them be op from sloptuber prespective

[low harbor]

rashad staggers 6 dreg ragers at once with push atk with rampage

think again

[fast surge]

Bro not only was the talent tree massively bottom loaded, half the talents were also bugged

[rancid coral]

Cuz the 2 most important talents are near the top

But before that the grind was so cancerous

So bad

That I couldn't blame the average player always dying

[hazy vector]

yeah, already figurd it is riposte

[bronze glade]

Does it beat psword vet now

[gritty elk]

nimble bugged or is that a psyop

[bronze glade]

It's working as intended

[calm aurora]

so antax goated?

[low harbor]

roughly equal tier

[main trellis]

@low harbor tell me pls;
Is combining hypercrit with hyperviolence on Dclaw counterintuitave?

[worn canopy]

Antax beloved

[low harbor]

antax is basically rashad 0.8

[bronze glade]

Insane

[hazy vector]

antax looks cooler than rashad

[bronze glade]

Imagine if HIV got psword

[frigid thorn]

Cooldown stimms are basically just the way to go for every build, right lol

[worn canopy]

I like antax poke special stagger crusher

[calm aurora]

(I lvled up my scum with taxe and rashad, i just started trying saw and shivs lol)

[lapis raft]

man bought half of stocks in rashad inc.

[low harbor]

idk maybe

[limber cradle]

Just let me steal one

[main trellis]

Mutants also

[bronze glade]

Yeah that's what I do except for stimm supply support build

[worn canopy]

A head poke and they stagger lmao

[limber cradle]

Will trade some bits of rusty broken pipe for a power sword

[hazy vector]

No
Rampage is short enough so it does not really need it
Chemcrate does not care about ult cd at all

[frigid thorn]

What do you like to run on the stimm supply

[bronze glade]

Attack speed maxxed and two strength usually

And shivs

For blender mode

[calm aurora]

yeah but you can use hyperviolence on the parries right...

[frigid thorn]

LOL

[flint granite]

Did they fix supply not activating chem dependency

[rancid coral]

But it is OP

Unlike arbites however, the OP part is only real once you reach level 22-30

Arbites had the OP stuff from the get go

[shadow umbra]

Hey guys is the new rocket launcher any good after the buffs

[low harbor]

power sword is more consistent
hvs rashad hits higher highs and lower lows due to hypercrit + hyperV + rampage

[lapis raft]

yes

[low harbor]

yea

[flint granite]

We're back

[bronze glade]

I see thanks

[main trellis]

Well; that build i’ve send ya; i simply replaced hyper violence with hyper critical

[tight musk]

What the fuck.

[shadow umbra]

Hyper critical of deez nuts

[worn canopy]

Yesh

[frigid thorn]

bro hit you with the 360 noscope

[shadow umbra]

Brother pulled a juke on you

[frigid thorn]

Bro broke your ankles smh

[calm aurora]

griefed by a bubble psyker

[rancid coral]

I don't blame for the majority of people that bought Scum only to get ass fucked because he had no actual good defensive talents until level 20

It's reasonable they think the class is weak

[shadow umbra]

Imo late game and with skill (dodge sliding) you become decently powerful

[low harbor]

I can say for sure that melee dps hvs is way better than melee dps zealot tho lol

[reef spoke]

Only survivable once you get the regen on ranged hit talent which is at the bottom of the tree lol

[rancid coral]

Like how tf are you supposed to play scum without 'tis but a scratch

[bronze glade]

Zealots stay losing

[worn canopy]

When im level 1 or 3 i can staying alive well on malice but struggle killing armored enemies because gear is lacking stats blessing and perks since is grey

[calm aurora]

heresy on lvl 14 on the new map with a bunch of headless chicken running everywere was something but it was mostly ok if you were not a newcomer

[low harbor]

exactly lmao

[reef spoke]

Coherency regen

[dusty solstice]

Is that one hyper-whatever skill on the left section fixed to not deactivate the toughness Regen?

[worn canopy]

My friend want pull test on me on malice as me level 3 hive scum

[dusty solstice]

Awesome

[bronze glade]

Fixed now

[calm aurora]

doable

[tight musk]

Man, I really don't like how rampage drains all your stamina when it ends. You suddenly lose all your attack speed buffs and it feels HORRIBLE.

[rancid coral]

I'm a book bitch zealot in Havoc, I stay winning ❤️

[rancid coral]

True it should be 50%

But I'm not too worried now since hyper critical fix

[reef spoke]

Get some stam regen curios, it'll be like 80% before you blink

[worn canopy]

First he want test me heresy level 1 but cause error 9999 but i have to go uprising first to bypass the error

[calm aurora]

use shout, makes it better

[dusty solstice]

Should be no downsides at all tbh.

[bronze glade]

Nah

[rancid coral]

Nah

[calm aurora]

depends on your mate but that would be a bad idea lol

[bronze glade]

Rampage is stupidly strong

[dusty solstice]

So is scriers 🤔

[hidden thunder]

The wind down sounds way too unpredictable

[reef spoke]

Clearly Rampage should give buffs when it ends

[bronze glade]

If anything the downsides here isn't strong enough

[rancid coral]

Yes add damage vul after scriers end

:3

[worn canopy]

He doesn’t give a shit aslong we squeezed exp regardless wining hes arbite level 22 anyway

[main trellis]

We haven’t played with you in such a long time; i wonder how you fare

[bronze glade]

Well that's psyker being fucking stupid

[shadow umbra]

Clearly desperado is the best because you become a homeless druggy cowboy

[manic wolf]

Psyker is not a post to measure other classes by

[low harbor]

x200% toughness dmg taken yes please

[calm aurora]

can you do the twins then?

[worn canopy]

He think im try hard enough to live on heresy

[low harbor]

in fact make psyker take x200% toughness damage when >50% peril (this is a joke)

[worn canopy]

Im maxed my hive scum level as he maxed arbite too

[rancid coral]

Eh, rushed into assignment 40 the first day on scum release

[worn canopy]

Already

[hidden thunder]

Whats your beef with magic men huh

[rancid coral]

To make sure I could play scum in 40

And it was worth it

[low harbor]

they deserve ~95 nerfs (this is not a joke)

[manic wolf]

Certainly not to do with Psyker being egregiously overpowered at all

[fast surge]

Make psykers explode at birth, solves the issue

[worn canopy]

My friend brought hive scum recently few day ago @calm aurora

[manic wolf]

Not even one bit

[rancid coral]

10 consecutive games of Havoc with le Friends xdddd

[hidden thunder]

You guys say everything is OP to be fair

[rancid coral]

From 30 to 40, pain

[bronze glade]

Nah

[worn canopy]

Now his turn leveling start lvl 15

[bronze glade]

Psyker is a special child

[rancid coral]

I think it's just more interesting to talk about the OP rather than the weak

Thus why OP stuff gets mentioned more

[neon fern]

https://tenor.com/view/1a-superman-lex-luthor-true-true-morgan-freeman-gif-17800430523549031980

[hidden thunder]

Unless you're doing it nodeless with a shovel you didn't complete H40

[limber cradle]

If I'm using it? Op. If you're using it? Mid.

[calm aurora]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076246644749766687/1333114351086731395/uncaption.gif

[manic wolf]

I mean... if you played release Darktide, at this point everyone is OP, but yeah Psyker has been massively overbuffed in recent times

[loud herald]

I have never made a psyker and I prolly never will, not appealing to me personally

[hidden thunder]

Yea I've been here and got my beta boy hat xD

[loud herald]

I like my tauntgryn pickaxe too much tbh lol

[worn canopy]

I like beta helmet veteran

[calm aurora]

how can he start at lvl 15?

[rancid coral]

Hot take: Nerf inferno staff and psyker will be fair

Will he stay OP? probably yes but at least the cancer riskless playstyle should no longer be stronge

[limber cradle]

Psyker just gets so much shit for free with minimal effort ime

[worn canopy]

The balaclava looks cool

[hidden thunder]

Scriers is very fun, desperado is the only similar experience imo

[frigid thorn]

the +75% nodes on the CDR stims are the best way to go right

[worn canopy]

Oh i means after he brought the scum when I wasn’t playing