hivescum-class

[fast wind]

as my problem is more with ranged enemies on other classes I like ranged scum as you get a lot of ranged immunity

[wet heath]

stim box is now cracked with stim addiction

[pearl ore]

a fully formed peril max psyker

[slender plinth]

this is true but to kill some enemies you must be able to reach them

[reef skiff]

chat is Adrenaline Frenzy any good

[keen timber]

yes

[pearl ore]

I think you can in this lobby

[wet heath]

no

[slender plinth]

i agree it's good but you gotta do all for penances and it feels boring to always use the same one on every build

[unique dagger]

bro I was gonna quickly send you a build link but now I have to make a thumbnail

its gonna be glorious

[edgy saddle]

Tbh i do run speed load and a reload trait on my weapons to minimize down time

[placid drum]

Pyskers may have their dreams but we got our chems

[dim moth]

https://imgur.com/a/zPTiYHh man if only this class had some kind of mobility

[wet heath]

it's too weak for keystone

[slender plinth]

nope, only shows use apps
Probably because i'm new

[pearl ore]

uhh

[keen timber]

25% melee damage + 10% atkspd + toughness regen with 100 uptime = weak?

[fast wind]

funnily its something I've also noticed melee lacks a speed boost

[slender plinth]

that's true
Thass pretty true

[zenith fern]

nah you playing on uprising

[neat dagger]

that sounds awesome LOL

[pearl ore]

I usually just go over my talents until I can find something I can stand to cut

[slender plinth]

also yeah that horde is

[mossy tapir]

ok so like now that chem dependency works with stimm supply does anything like change with stimm supply builds to want to grab it or what?

[wet heath]

when you have to compete with chem addict and vulture? yeah

[unreal stirrup]

taxe pretty fun

[slender plinth]

insignificant

[lapis raft]

much worse than other options gnerally

[pearl ore]

like they were saying id try cutting pickpocket and see how it feels for a few games

[lapis raft]

like its not even close to dependency

[fast wind]

Desperado's infinite stamina is actually quite useful for running and blocking

[pearl ore]

if it doesnt work cut something else and try again

until you find the one you dont care about

[slender plinth]

hmmm
This is fair i might give that a go

🫡

[keen timber]

has chem dependancy actually been buffed to be good now?

[slender plinth]

chem dependency is great wdym

[wet heath]

Always was great

[lapis raft]

it was good before. they tried to make it work with stimm supply now

[unreal stirrup]

or just use stim lmao

[slender plinth]

30 percent cdr and 15 percent toughness reduction and 15 percent crit

[lapis raft]

but dont think they succeeded

[slender plinth]

crazy

[neat dagger]

whats the thought on Ramapage's Forge Bellow? The shout/stun node

[lapis raft]

so it will remain great alone

[edgy saddle]

Tbh as ive played this class more and more i feel they are kinda low-key busted af but have to specialize moreso than other classes and a differt albeit broken from of survivability

[unreal stirrup]

you dont need it

[wet heath]

It had problem that Stim box didn't apply it, now it does

[slender plinth]

it feels like it would be good if i had spare points to spend, but i don't

[unreal stirrup]

scum scale better if youre good

[lapis raft]

not going for the 4th is sign of weakness

[slender plinth]

there's more important nodes

[slender plinth]

i'll go for the fourth when the basegame has a way to know when your stim is off cooldown 😔

(too lazy to mod)

[zenith pagoda]

uhhhh... guys I think i broke my needle pistol...

[green granite]

LOVE hivescum. so much that i went to the trouble of making an account on gameslantern so that i could make a build and guide as to how i run mine. (cant wait to hear all the build snobs tell em how theyre so much smarter than me)

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d4b9d-8acd-4fe1-9304-4ec4b0599aad/hive-scum-crit-immortal-hybrid-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[wet heath]

It gives you 40% CDR, 20% crit, 20% tdr and gives you 50% toughness every like 15 seconds back

[neat dagger]

thankss, gonna remove that node then. how about boiling blood?

[slender plinth]

90 percent of the time i'm just randomly pressing the stim button and am always surprised when it actually works

[fast wind]

it is sort of pointless with chem supply since you can recharge it on stim cooldown

[astral canyon]

so what are everyone's thoughts on the scum changes with the new patch?

[slender plinth]

boiling blood is an extra 50 percent duration as long as you're fighting

it's peak

[reef ledge]

Hmmmm.... looks like a suspicious amount of people, with mutation of hands from point on what they sit...

[edgy saddle]

Ye I've deffintly gotten alot better just playing the class but I will admit it messes with muscle memory in dodge timings

[winged bay]

Do on dodge talents such as Quick and Deadly and Float like a butterfly not trigger on ranged dodges during Desperado? Kuli's guide says they do but i can only get them to trigger on plasma gunner shots

[slender plinth]

TRUE
Sliding being a melee dodge and being able to spam dodges so much is going to fuck me up so bad when i go back to other classes

[wet heath]

Ignoring class's problems and blaming players will not make them go away

[neat dagger]

welp, i didnt see it that way. Now i see it. thanks fam

[slender plinth]

🫡

[keen timber]

eh looks pretty basic to me

no glaring issues

[edgy saddle]

Me seeing a crusher go wind up and I decide im gonna slide by you for the revive and gets slammed

[placid drum]

I like chem decency but its hard to pass up yhe frenzy keystone buffs for rampage scum

[slender plinth]

real real real real real real real real real-
it's okay every other class except psyker can just tank the slam anyway 😎

[torpid cloud]

I mean I respect it but the crit chance and reload speed traits on the guns is kind of wasted imo

[slender plinth]

is like the wind good

[obsidian crown]

Talent tree seems fucked up on gameslantern

[reef ledge]

Making gifts of nurgle in review without learning class - wont help ether.

[obsidian crown]

Nodes are not in the correct place

[wet heath]

People learned class and they still say same things, what's your point?

You don't need to keep eating shit to figure out it's shit

[slender plinth]

they got updated like an hour ago iirc

[pearl ore]

we got a mod to give the crowbar half life noises yet?

[slender plinth]

i don't get it, the class feels really strong
admittedly i only play auric so
don't know or care about havoc performance

[torpid cloud]

With how busted desperado is this class cannot be called shit.

[neat dagger]

how do i send photos here ._. ?

[slender plinth]

doesn't seem like new users can sadly

[neat dagger]

want to send my build here TT

[astral canyon]

you need red name

[reef ledge]

One type of review - scum cant in melee.
My point is - they call shit even without looking.

[astral canyon]

just need to talk more

[neat dagger]

how to get a red name?

sadge

[pearl ore]

I dont see how hive scum isnt at least on par with the rest of the classes less durable builds

[slender plinth]

also i was a FOOL you can get hyper critical AND pickpocket on my build

[astral canyon]

start yapping

[slender plinth]

i am become god

[pearl ore]

its like these people never played point blank paper skin gunker

[brittle sierra]

Just use games lantern

[neat dagger]

whats your ranged weapon? o.o

[pearl ore]

keep your ranged immunity up or die

[slender plinth]

currently playing with 1911s on my melee build
I don't love them but they ARE very cool

desperado is for uzis

nothing can compare afaik

[pearl ore]

simply dont choose die

[random shuttle]

I love the zooka

[placid drum]

HS class for sure aintt shit you just need to actually learn the games actual mechanical flow

[random shuttle]

zooka forever

zook me up, scotty

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-bazooka-gif-10458898

[pearl ore]

I am pretty new to DT so I cant judge these things super accuratly

[slender plinth]

desperado feels kinda insane compared to almost all the other ults i've used on classes, you really can just activate it then delete the entire screen (other than crushers)

[winged bay]

no Float like butterfly/Quick and deadly procs during Desperado

[slender plinth]

give desperado the post-use debuff, not rampage 😭

[zenith fern]

"other than crushers"

[pearl ore]

its if scriers gaze gave you ammo and was easier to extend

[slender plinth]

crushers are trivial to deal with with literally anything else

[pearl ore]

if you told a gun psyker that 3 months ago they would have a seizure

[slender plinth]

just dodge lamayo

[pearl ore]

a regular seizure, not a warp one

[zenith fern]

uzis says the opposite other wise

[ruby marsh]

It got lower? Damn

[slender plinth]

Uzis can't deal with crushers afaik?

like their one weakness is carapace full body

[slender plinth]

real

[fast wind]

summoning bullets

[keen timber]

i find scum gear is either fantastic against crushers or worthless with almost no in-between

[zenith fern]

rending on desperado and other buffs

[slender plinth]

truing

[pearl ore]

A lot of scum gear covers other scum gears weak points

[wet heath]

Desperado is only 1/3 of the class

[neat dagger]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d4fd6-ff96-454a-a158-a0853ecef0ea/melee-scum-10?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
Thoughts please! Melee critical scum. (ignore the weapons)
Not sure if i should take coated weaponry or quick & deadly

[obsidian crown]

They fucked 1 point of my build with the new changes

[winter galleon]

is jittery worth dropping to be able to pick up chem fortified?

[zenith fern]

I use Vraks desperado and does kill crushers pretty solid even if it takes more time to kill than uzis

[pearl ore]

Rampage dependency with the right setup fucks

And we are

Currently

[slender plinth]

i have it fairly buffed up and I'm just not feeling that damage on the uzis
including the rending, it still takes more than a mag to kill crushers

[pearl ore]

Right this very second

[slender plinth]

where are you getting more brittleness/rending/etc?

[obsidian crown]

Why did they move +1 range dodge to where it is

[dense hollow]

remove hyper critical and keep hyper violence or remove hyper violence and keep hyper critical because they're incompatible with eachother

[pearl ore]

Entering the stim crate Renaissance

[fast wind]

melee is fun too but mobility would be nice if you werent limited to only a small increase from stim

[neat dagger]

wait whatttt. wdym? its bugged or its 'overkill' ?

[tired prairie]

It had to be moved somewhere. It’s not a good spot, though

[steep vale]

How do you find these people cole

[dense hollow]

if hyper critical "instant" kills an enemy you don't get the hyper violence to activate overkill damage

[placid drum]

Pop the stimm when you got the rending nodes for rending while in desperado

[reef ledge]

Yea, people doesnt understand class and cry about it.
(yes, there is a problems, but not bad enough no shitpost).

[obsidian crown]

Yeah it’s a tax node for me for vulture

[neat dagger]

no.. 😳

[slender plinth]

if you're doing chem toxin on crit it's probably worth grabbing toxin mania

[sonic pumice]

Hopium of the day: the bugfixes and adjustments will make the Scum experience more enjoyable (also More rockets!)

[ruby marsh]

Fatshark's dlc classes really don't get a break
The Arby is on mixed, but i see most people complain about the price, not the class lmao

[slender plinth]

huh that's true
I have that stim set to cooldown to get desperado back faster
hmmm

[lapis raft]

yea that part was giga annoying so i just added support for it to crosshair hud myself as i was using it anyway :d

[obsidian crown]

Shoulda just kept the reload damage perk there

[slender plinth]

i think i'll keep it as is, i have other ways to kill crushers

[lapis raft]

but without that ye cant rly imagine going for 4th

[slender plinth]

based and respectable

[ruby marsh]

Wdym, it was already enjoyable, this will make it better

[steep vale]

Can someone unironically explain why the general consensus thinks scum sucks

[dim moth]

squishy

[slender plinth]

It's a very squishy class and the game is kinda buggy rn

[dim moth]

scum punishes you for being a bad player far more than any of the other 4 classes do

[steep vale]

I feel like its incredibly strong class with great survivability

[pearl ore]

I don't understand

[neat dagger]

ughhh thats true as well. its 15% dmg..

[slender plinth]

Which means you take some hits you shouldn't have and that's much worse for scum

[steep vale]

Just gotta work a bit for it

[pearl ore]

Did people not play squishy builds before?

Like

[neat dagger]

would you take toxic renewal as well?

[dim moth]

no lol

[pearl ore]

Cmon

Half the funnest shit was made of rice paper

[ruby marsh]

People don't see the fun in fragility

[dim moth]

people are entirely dependent on chorus and multiple survivability talents to get through fuckin' malice missions

[ruby marsh]

I'M RED HOLY SHIT

[slender plinth]

I haven't bothered with it, scum has a lot of main path toughness regen and if you're hitting things in melee and critting you're getting a ton of toughness back anyway

[dim moth]

they NEED gold toughness to play the game

[astral canyon]

very mechanically demanding class which means a comparatively higher skill floor to other classes

[ruby marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-little-festejando-congratulations-victory-meme-gif-26362861

[steep vale]

I think scum was difficult until like level 5

[pearl ore]

Its just gunker with better shit!

[pearl ore]

Its JUST more expensive gunker

[steep vale]

After i started having half a build i locked tf in

[astral canyon]

what the dawg doin

[ruby marsh]

Dog

[pearl ore]

People play gunker

[tender forge]

I mea it was hard to go straight into heresy for me

[steep vale]

Really?

[slender plinth]

Doesn't the game not let you go straight to heresy

[keen timber]

were you playing soloq or with others? cuz any build in like, malice is easy to play because it's malice

[slender plinth]

You gotta level in uprising and malice first

[dim moth]

yeah they play it so much that Disrupt Destiny and Scrier's Gaze get major buffs every other update due to extremely low pickrates

[steep vale]

I was doing damnnations and carrying at like level 23isj

[pearl ore]

But it's so fast!

[steep vale]

Friends

[tender forge]

Think I waz level 12 but yeah, got a bit difficult (especially with full scum lobbies)

[random shuttle]

It's really simple TBH.

Zealot is immortal. Vet can spam Shout. Both have broken AF Piss Toughness. Psyker generate toughness while he sleeps. Ogryn is FUCKING Ogryn - 1000 HP, 3000 Toughness. Arby has Castration Stance + True Grit.

In short, most players are used to being Nigh Immortal outside of being disabled by Trapper/Dog or Tossed Out Of Map.

Scum has lots of survivability options, but none are as forgiving as any other class. And it exposed most players to the fact that they never mastered the Mystical Fundamentals. Like the ancient Meme Joke that Vets die to 2 Ragers, because they never learned to Melee.

[tender forge]

Ah

[ruby marsh]

It really isn't rocket science, people were just used to not dying in one mistake

[placid drum]

Yea scum honestly has pretty good toughness regen if you focus on 1 of the three styles

[keen timber]

makes sense

[tender forge]

That makes the game way easier lol

[warped quiver]

look at it like this
if the highest difficulty is 100,
ogryn and arb are comfortably somewhere around 140 potential
the rest are 110-120
scum is maybe 105-110

still more than enough to tackle the highest difficulty
but it's not the powerhouse toolset of ogryn/arb so "it's garbage"

[steep vale]

Ah

[mellow carbon]

I don't even use the rocket launcher and I'm excited to see the buffs to it.

[zealous ravine]

scriers and disrupt are really fun nowadays lmao

[sonic pumice]

It is a glasscanon because it can't generate toughness that easily so less experienced players will struggle, making the learning curve more troublesome

The changes will Def help a little on that so I'm happy

[steep vale]

So my understanding

Its genuinely skill issues

[obsidian crown]

Guess I’m fixing it to this. Unnecessary change to me tbh but it is what it is

[steep vale]

Wym

[astral canyon]

pretty much

[random shuttle]

It is, but also, Balance Issue.

[ruby marsh]

So what I'm getting from this is that we should cull all the other classes and make people work for it

[steep vale]

Fair

[pearl ore]

How many people have never felt the touch of a scriers speed disrupt speed crit speed autopistol sprint rush?

[keen timber]

higher diffs with no real earlygame power would be awkward, scum was heavily backloaded

[tender forge]

No extra time for desperado?

[pearl ore]

You can fly across the battle field like a xianxia character and end a heretic rightly

[vital tendon]

To the guy named Vernon i played with yesterday on damnation; ligma balls. I was right about hit boxes being broken on weapons and poxbursters

[obsidian crown]

? Why would I need it

[dense hollow]

its just 5 seconds, if you have critical nodes you need to take then it's not worth getting 5 secs faster off the base cooldown

[mellow carbon]

Mostly. Poxbursters are slapping us from much further than they should, and that's a factor. That said, yeah a lot of the cases are genuinely a skill issue.

[compact oyster]

The ai director is on crack

[obsidian crown]

I’m using CDR stim

[warped quiver]

no, the numbers just don't add up to the same (or higher) power/potential/etc of arb and ogryn
therefore it's garbage
(even tho it's still more than enough to tackle anything the game can throw at you)

[zealous ravine]

my melee build feels a bit stronger now with the hotfix so im joyous

[compact oyster]

These shrine missions are insane

[placid drum]

Yea and people used to more safer playstyles like arbiter for example

[zealous ravine]

arby actually cant die lmao

[tender forge]

Ah I see, Ive been running a pure offense stim

[idle lava]

I thought, Chemical dependancy stacks fell off all at once, hence why it was nessicary to not have a maxed out stimm, was this a recent change, or can I just not read

[warped quiver]

it's just hyperbole coming from people who only look at the highest difficulty and class power level in a vacuum and without considering skill

[rapid mango]

they can and do

[pearl ore]

I tried to strip Arby glassy for more shotgun talents

[keen timber]

@steep vale are you playing now?

[pearl ore]

And it was still tanky and melee ey

[slender plinth]

It feels good to be triggering the compliment dialogues with desperado hive scum
Yippee

[steep vale]

No im heading to work

[rapid mango]

then they rage quit and the bot lives longer

[tender forge]

Nope was always how it worked

[zealous ravine]

not possible

[keen timber]

[obsidian crown]

Dumbest change they did

[zealous ravine]

what if it wasnt an arby and was the genestealer class

[obsidian crown]

Blue circle

[warped quiver]

in reality it's like
do you want 10 million or 11 million?
shoot, I'd be happy either way. the 10 mil isn't garbage just because 11 mil exists.

[steep vale]

Ill be out all day but if i get a chance later im down to game

[keen timber]

possibly pog

[steep vale]

Might get an hour or 2

[unique dagger]

lmao

[steep vale]

Around like

[unique dagger]

look at this build thumbnail

[dense hollow]

missed the text

[steep vale]

12ish

Ill @ you val

[keen timber]

yeee

[hot moth]

this bottomend with +6 stamina curios and the mk12 chainsword is just critz lol

[wet heath]

fingers open

[idle lava]

Also the Mk3 shivs, feel better now

[pearl ore]

I do have a legit weakness of scum I wanna point out

[placid drum]

Who needs arbite when you got the Ogyrns

[hot moth]

can't melee down carapace worth a damn but it's hilarious how much you crit

[rotund agate]

btw, why does everyone want to do only the event missions in auric, when damnation is almost as good if you just want the 500 aquilas...

[steep vale]

Stimm cooldown needs a better ui

[dense hollow]

because it's fun

[steep vale]

Thats my only gripe

[pearl ore]

It whispers to you "it'd be cool if I did this cool thing" alot

[rapid mango]

because fun

[obsidian crown]

More fun? It’s not that hard

[pearl ore]

But the cool thing is rarely the safest

[idle lava]

There is a mod that gives you duration and stim CD

[brittle sierra]

Because it's fun?

[rapid mango]

also damnation tends to be full of people who dont understand you only activate the known boss trigger when the horde is OVER not when you JUST got there

[brittle sierra]

[ruby marsh]

Less experienced players shouldn't buy a dlc class!!!!!!!!
I got it as a gift, but im like 600 hours into the game and I was born a Psyker masochist

[rotund agate]

ah yes, wiping to a prayer-spawned DH/bootleg twins boss 3-5 times in a row is fun.

[unreal stirrup]

man desperado is such a mistake

[steep vale]

I should probably get some mods

[pearl ore]

Mash 4 like a rat in a cage trying to get a food pellet

Its called dependancy

[unreal stirrup]

there so many hscum that cant melee for shit

[steep vale]

Unironically what i do lmao

[obsidian crown]

Can’t remember the last time I lost in event

[ruby marsh]

Best decision of your life, believe me

[rapid mango]

that happens in every difficulty

[brittle sierra]

Most scum use the dogshit dual pistols so it balances it out

[hot moth]

you need to be playing a class that melts bosses

[unreal stirrup]

just win

[hot moth]

fortunately scum has needlepistol

[sonic pumice]

Oh psyker that was real glasscanon will understand the struggle and the easy time new psykers have

[keen timber]

kay or anna have a pretty good mod list. one of them i forget who

[hot moth]

30 stacks and play safe

[pearl ore]

Its thematic

[steep vale]

Any time i get grabbed near the end of my cooldown i genuinely start tweaking that i cant take my stimm

[hot moth]

DH falls over easy

[ruby marsh]

Did you know there's a mod that helps you switch weapon when you ACTUALLY press the button

[compact oyster]

shock troop gauntlet was insane

actual walls of maulers the entire time

[pearl ore]

Remember launch psyker

[ruby marsh]

I love the Guarantee mods, bless the guy who made them

[steep vale]

i use scroll wheel sometimes

[tender forge]

I can, we got 4 person funnied by 3 broke poxwalkers

[pearl ore]

"guys you can't shoot my blue circles or I run out of toughness and die"

[steep vale]

Ill ask

[ruby marsh]

Still, the game is weird and it won't switch until you finish an animation

[pearl ore]

Vs the chad

[winter tusk]

I LOVE POWERCREEP!!! POWERCREEP POWERCREEP POWERCREEP POWERCREEP!

[pearl ore]

"I can see that things head glowing, light it up"

[steep vale]

Mine doesn’t do that

[zealous ravine]

gimme 5m for discord to start loading the video

[astral canyon]

vid doesnt load for me what happen

[zealous ravine]

i love discord

[amber sapphire]

Lmao, the rocket, ogryn nuke WHO ?

[molten galleon]

I made this for my own sanity in light of today's events

[pearl ore]

Standard shiv rampage build

[zealous ravine]

bonesaw and crowbar dont even get close to that lmao

[pearl ore]

Possibly with rending stimm

[obsidian crown]

I’ll have to test rocket later today.

[winter tusk]

running rending on rampage and i have finesse on stim

[steep vale]

I like bonesaw

[pearl ore]

Knew it

[calm aurora]

what is the build?

[pearl ore]

I've got a similar (looking) rampage setup and was very confused

[real dew]

Rampage, stim, other stim, nuncio were just the buffs I recognised

[pearl ore]

With people saying it's not good

[winter tusk]

one i threw together that im sure someone can do better lol

give me a sec

[steep vale]

I should take more cleave perks but idk what perks to drop on my tree

[winter galleon]

just wish could stim during desperado and benefit from cdr, feels like its a waste to add cdr to stim

[brittle sierra]

What is the melee?

[steep vale]

Bonesaw

[placid drum]

Rampage scum can sorta just make any melee weapon work

[unreal stirrup]

what weapon

uh change weapon

[steep vale]

No i like my bonesaw

[unreal stirrup]

drop fly like a butterfly

[astral canyon]

you just have to stim after the ability is over

[obsidian crown]

This is what I’ll prolly run for boomstick build

[unreal stirrup]

bonesaw is genuinely abysmal with the attack speed + low crit chance

[placid drum]

But I normally like running crowbar or bonesaw

[warped quiver]

I don't really understand how people can trashtalk a class that can take down a crusher by looking at it for less than 2 seconds
from any distance

[unreal stirrup]

you dont need like half the thing youre using in the middle

[dense hollow]

if boomstick means double barrel, do you need vulture's dodge?

[brittle sierra]

Bonesaw doesn't benefit from melee damage unfortunately

[dense hollow]

i dropped it on my db desperado build

[obsidian crown]

Rocket blitz

[warped quiver]

3-5 needle shots and it dies a few seconds later

[steep vale]

Really?

[dense hollow]

ohhh okay, +1 blitz is super nice to get 4 rockets

[placid drum]

Bonesaw has the brittle goo don't forget

[warped quiver]

can even do it to bosses, literally just put 5 shots into it and then another 1 every 5-10 seconds after that

it takes more damage than I've seen any other weapon do to it that consistently and safely from a single player

[pearl ore]

I'm surprised people aren't mad about how nasty needle gun is

[obsidian crown]

I generally prefer blackout with chem toxin but I’ll test rocket when I get home from work later

[neat dagger]

man.. sucks that hyper critical is fixed but h-crit and h-violence doesnt work tgt 🙁

[pearl ore]

Like it's ease of use for how nasty chem toxin is is....

[winter tusk]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a08d5704-91ae-4075-894d-2e2a4dfdf784

[pearl ore]

Really really hot

[winter tusk]

theres a decent amount of nodes in the middle that are semi optional that i just like because of my playstyle

[obsidian crown]

What

[winter galleon]

i know but means you dont get to stack damage buffs together, feels bad

[unreal stirrup]

not you

[obsidian cipher]

You can easily use both (they fixed it RIP)

[obsidian crown]

Ok was confused because the stuff I took is just to path down lol. Didn’t take extras

[calm aurora]

no float???

[pearl ore]

Gang mentality

[unreal stirrup]

float is only on finesse weapon

[winter tusk]

i thought about it but this build isn't really crit focused

its tons of direct damage

[obsidian cipher]

It helps 1shotting gunners/mutants/horde etc etc (they fixed it, dont read this)

[calm aurora]

shiv is not?

[unreal stirrup]

oh i havent open the build

[winter tusk]

its probably good for it but idk if its needed

[unreal stirrup]

no float on shiv

wtf

[obsidian cipher]

and if you dont crit and crit in the second hit and overkill happens, it will proc HV
who ever is agaisnt it def never played havoc40 or did any heavy lifting idk
edit: (they fixed the overkill part of HC, ignore this msg RIP)

[calm aurora]

it is basically riposte the talent

[winter tusk]

i know but i already have precog on and finesse on stim

not sure how much more its gonna do

[calm aurora]

yeah but works on range too

[brittle sierra]

Wait I just realized they changed the entire tree today wtf

[unreal stirrup]

yes

get trolled

teh tree didnt get reset

[pearl ore]

Without a reset even

[obsidian crown]

That’s why I’m not happy with this blue circle

[spice cloud]

What other talent besides shock and aw u putting on tha saw?

[calm aurora]

it is a swaperoo

[unique dagger]

here's a build if anyone is looking for a melee mulcher build. I can answer questions about it.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d582b-0cdc-4c42-8ea5-59195fa259ae/hamdols-melee-hive-scum-havoc-40

[winter tusk]

dropped jittery for float

[calm aurora]

decimator / shredf

[unique dagger]

@neat dagger

[spice cloud]

Thx imma try it again later.

Just flak maniac?

[calm aurora]

Imma steal your build tho

[warped quiver]

what skill is down there now? (and what does it do)

[winter tusk]

just swap those two and itll be up to date

[obsidian crown]

+1 dodge when using ranged

[winter tusk]

i wasnt going to take pulverising strikes but the second part of its really good

[random shuttle]

I'M STIMMSING!

Did ya try out the new Zooka guys?

Because let me tell you.

It fucks.

[warped quiver]

oh, good
a skill I used to hate being forced to take

[calm aurora]

hyper critical and hyper violence don't work together ham

[fast gust]

Too bad I'm still a blinder enjoyer

[rotund needle]

Why do people say hives semen is bad? Are they stupid?

[safe light]

Scum tree actually work as intended?

[warped quiver]

did they move anything else in the top area (above grenades) ?

[random shuttle]

Youtuber programmed them to say so.

[unique dagger]

Yeah I know, hyper violence is mostly for bigger target killing

[obsidian crown]

I’m forced to take it to path to vulture. That used to be a ranged damage node

[winter tusk]

it did before, you just dont get taxed as much

[unique dagger]

There isn’t a better pick in the tree imo

[rotund needle]

I'm just glad fart shart didn't release another broken op instant win class like arbuttes

[unique dagger]

Oh wait

[random shuttle]

Emprah is my Dealer

[unique dagger]

You can go for weakspot actually

[unique dagger]

Let me fix that real quick

[calm aurora]

and wp too

[unique dagger]

Weakspot dmg is way better

[obsidian crown]

It’s stronger than Arbites for me tbh

[winter tusk]

its not as bad as arbitrator tbh

[verbal orbit]

Scum can chew through hordes and does fine against armor.

[winter tusk]

arbitrator might be slightly weaker but its so braindead it just trivalizes the game

[verbal orbit]

Chem grenade is still busted/OP

[compact oyster]

i like this tattoo because its visible on the duelist chest

[neat dagger]

thankss

[wooden musk]

tis but a scratch moving where it is instead of jittery seems much better. Was basically mandatory on all my builds and now its on the way

[calm aurora]

with the shiv yeah

[spice cloud]

Weaker in what regard?

[winter tusk]

probably damage

[unique dagger]

Yeah now its fixed

[spice cloud]

Prolly the only thing

[winter tusk]

thats what im saying

[unique dagger]

I can’t think of a stronger setup really

[winter tusk]

scum still takes a couple braincells to pilot

[light linden]

what are the differences between Mk 2 and 6 Needle Pistols again?

[unique dagger]

Rampage cycling with infinite ammo on downtimes is op af

[winter tusk]

idk they both shoot needles

[sterile geode]

Different alt fire effect

[unique dagger]

Mk2 less overall poison but alternate fire blows up enemies

[dreamy rover]

Anyone else thinks that the duration increasing nodes for adrenaline should be one node, not 2?

[modest patio]

I feel this way about Psyker

[unique dagger]

Mk6 more poison but no imbouttablow

[astral canyon]

pretty sure its just the explosion on kill from the special fire

one is direct damage the other is aoe toxin

[brittle sierra]

Btw does toxic renewal only proc from you or can it be proced by anyone in the team?

[amber sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447422939476791337/image.png?ex=6938e2a8&is=69379128&hm=560dc9357f642cefebf8f16b19d938bcbc7702ff2184d1da9ce7c7f33a31196f&

[tepid compass]

Mk 2 secondary fire is explosion, mk 6 has two stacks on weak spot and secondary spreads poison (I think)

[unique dagger]

Here for everything toxin related on top of what @amber sundial sent

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-15272851508694662191

[slender plinth]

are the servers kinda cooked rn or is it just me

[compact oyster]

bursters and dogs are messed up right now

[slender plinth]

m

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-putin-red-square-handshake-gif-17748020122143559585

[compact oyster]

m

[unique dagger]

Thanks man I forgot about weakspot good call there

Fixed build link https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d582b-0cdc-4c42-8ea5-59195fa259ae/hamdols-melee-hive-scum-havoc-40

[keen timber]

I should pick up a combat axe just so i have one
but i have no money
i should check brunt anyway, maybe he has a perfect one sitting there
perfect caxe acquired

[dreamy rover]

You mean besides the push that doesn't work sometimes on them?

[tender forge]

I need a perfect csword

[compact oyster]

i would swap needle unyielding to maniac

[tender forge]

Want to try out my theoretical bleed build

[compact oyster]

their blast radius got increased unintentionally

[spice cloud]

Nah man the boss dmg!!

[dreamy rover]

Nope, our hitboxes did when Fatshark reworked explosions. They are working on fixing it now.

[spice cloud]

And ogryns

[winter galleon]

didnt realize until now that if you dont stim you lose one stack at a time on chem dependency, for some reason i thought if you messed up you lost all of them at once... im an idiot

[drowsy relic]

Cole's build is doing the impossible

[unique dagger]

Maniac ttk doesnt matter too much really, unyielding felt better for my havoc 40 experience

The thing is

After I’m done shooting with my ranged weapon I immediately swap back to melee

[spice cloud]

Main use for needle gun is crusher bullwark reaper and bosses

[unique dagger]

So buffs really dont matter too much on it

[spice cloud]

Dripping unyielding would ve weird

[keen timber]

doesn't this make the lower nodes non functional

[unique dagger]

My friend is running crit chance reload speed

So he switches immediately

[light linden]

thanks @amber sundial and @unique dagger 😊

[unique dagger]

After shooting enough

[obsidian crown]

Unyielding is the play 💯

[unique dagger]

And since melee weapon already has unyielding it wont matter

[dreamy rover]

he sounds cranked up

[unique dagger]

You’ll lose only slight dmg

[winter tusk]

@calm aurora actually theres no rending on that, its just cutting through crushers purely with finesse and uncanny strike

[spice cloud]

What blessings can u put on the needle gun?

[winter tusk]

damn shits busted

[modest patio]

Does the tree total the right number of points?

Or did they just remove one by accident

[unique dagger]

Because toxin damage scales on currently equipped weapon’s perks like other dots

[winter tusk]

uncanny needlegun time?

[unique dagger]

If you shoot n switch you might get more value out of running util

[steep gyro]

I KNEW IT HAHAHA

[dreamy rover]

Do crits apply to needler shots?

[compact oyster]

illegal darktide builds

[tender forge]

Not saw thougb

That still doesnt count

[steep gyro]

GET FUCKED YOU 5 PEOPLE WHO TOLD ME THAT ITS INTENTIONAL

[spice cloud]

I think only on the direct dmg wich is basically nothing

[obsidian crown]

Get fucked when you still can’t use it well

[steep gyro]

that's fine bc bonesaw combos mid

[tender forge]

Bonus strat hitting any mob with chem toxin with the needler makes it count

Regardless of how much the needler does

Throw a blackout nade and spray into horde for blackout back

[dreamy rover]

Fatshark trying to temp us to stop bringing chem nades...

[calm aurora]

discord community so toxic, plz fix

[unique dagger]

Hey infinite flashbangs with toxin are kinda nutty

[north meteor]

insta pounces and bursts are starting to irritate me for sure

[unique dagger]

I wish hyper critical didnt fuk em up

[winter galleon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a083b09a-d2f2-44ac-a211-369becf76c68/so-anyways

any glaring issues with this setup?

[unique dagger]

Also fun fact

You can stunlock rodin karnak with flashbangs lol

He can’t stand up

[dreamy rover]

Don't forget to tell your scum brothers and sisters that the talents got moved around.

[rose flax]

So, they didn't nerf pick pocket

[astral canyon]

crit chance perk instead of a second +25% damage against x

[rose flax]

Maybe I'm coping though

[obsidian crown]

Why would they? It is too soon

[calm aurora]

60s for just one more stack...

[brittle sierra]

Maybe pick pocket isn't as "OP" as people make it out to be

[unique dagger]

Going unyielding instead of flak on your melee weapon will be better for you

[astral canyon]

they specifically said they are waiting for a bit before making significant balance changes

[tender forge]

Flak on saw though right?

For better cleave damage through bruisers

[unique dagger]

Flak on saw is good because of toxin cleave

[astral canyon]

boom bringer being an exception

[tender forge]

I run flakapace

[tight musk]

Went into Mortis Trials and with the buffs from the trials I was actually killing enemies too fast to keep rampage going.

[sturdy linden]

Takes a deep breath

[unique dagger]

Carapace is a must

[sturdy linden]

LETS

FUCKING

GOOOOOOOOOO

[high gull]

No chem nade nerfs

Le

Mao

[obsidian crown]

Also non scum havoc players should be happy about pickpocket, more ammo for you

[sturdy linden]

[brittle sierra]

We are soo back

[unique dagger]

My shotgun build got 10x better

[steep gyro]

i saw some forum post yapping about "omg pickpocket lets u have 100% uptime it needs NERFED"

[winter galleon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a083b09a-d2f2-44ac-a211-369becf76c68/so-anyways

so change the additional stack to float, crit chance to flak on guns, and flak to unyielding on shivs? anything else?

[steep gyro]

like

[obsidian crown]

Honestly overrated to me

[unique dagger]

Since I can go right keystone now

[steep gyro]

bro

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/wheelie-rollin-they-see-me-rollin-jeep-kid-gif-19615923

[high gull]

Still

[steep gyro]

you could straight up remove pickpocket from the game and hivescum would still be able to shoot for 90% of the mission with minimal ammo pickups

[high gull]

I do hope to see more rocketeer gangers

[compact oyster]

desperado giving a casual no ammo from reserve is consumed on reload

[steep gyro]

exactly

lmfao

[obsidian crown]

I’m testing it later with extra blitz charge

[neat dagger]

@unique dagger just saw the build! ooo regained posture and pickpocket. didn't think of those

[unique dagger]

With desperado yes, but consider me using a rampage build and having infinite ammo regardless lmao

[steep gyro]

because there's also kind of just zero reason to take pickpocket anyways unless ur going on leftside tree

rampage is v melee talent hungy

[calm aurora]

now try that for a few runs and adjust if necessary

[wind crane]

why cant i click this node? its nearby nodes i have

[high gull]

I'm surprised no one bothered to apply the tox talent to the rocket

[compact oyster]

i do think vet is the stronger ranged class

[astral canyon]

you cant go up

[blazing cove]

You have to come down to it or from a side

[astral canyon]

only sideways or down

[dim moth]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d5fc2-56f8-401b-99a0-ee054340b580/100-crit-chance-poop-knife straight scumming it

[wind crane]

why...

[brittle sierra]

Zealot tree me like: 😈

[winter galleon]

will when get home tonight, i just keep swapping back and forth between chem dependency and vultures mark, cant make up my mind which i prefer

[candid flare]

Balance

[neat dagger]

@unique dagger whats your thought on hyper violence vs hyper crit? violence seems better for crushers? is it worth losing the 25% dmg for hyper crit? (thats my thinking anw)

[blazing cove]

Because Scumm never look back

[obsidian crown]

Better with blackout

[wind crane]

lol

[compact oyster]

hyper violence is good on fast weapons

[random shuttle]

you gonna love unpushable bursters

[dim moth]

it one shots everything so a lil' unnecessary

[random shuttle]

who jump at you from a mile

[unique dagger]

Hyper violence stacks are goated if tou can keep up the attacks, the only reason I go with hyper critical here instead is I can basically one shot maulers with light spam lol

You can try both, go hyper violence with flashbangs

[astral canyon]

also not very spammable

[high gull]

Was more about the trash outside the instant murder radius

[neat dagger]

lol okay when you put it that way LOL

[torpid cloud]

is this... is this viable? Cause it looks funny

[neat dagger]

yeah thats what i was thinking too!

[dim moth]

they are trash stab them

[dim moth]

I have been using it

Idiotbreadstick is ME

[astral canyon]

tbf the instant murder radius has been increased quite a bit

[high gull]

No

[torpid cloud]

on auric?

[neat dagger]

i love my chem nades sadly. gonna give your build a try

[zenith pagoda]

Is the vraks still the best iag?

[dim moth]

crit chance lmao

[compact oyster]

it used to have a 3s uptime in testing but now its 1s so with crowbar your just going to lose the damage buff unless your fighting inside of a horde

[calm aurora]

yea

[compact oyster]

and with crowbar stickies being very dangerous

[unique dagger]

Give it a shot, remember to stim immediately to not get murked after rampage is done

[dim moth]

power DI is returning scum weapon damage as nil for now until it gets updated

[turbid fulcrum]

I hope the next hotfix makes the Needler work with Vulture's Mark

[compact oyster]

i might try out heavy sword scum tho

[dim moth]

but hey it didn't break unlike some other scoreboard mod I know

[unique dagger]

Hyper violence is goated on hsword

[compact oyster]

oh i know

[unique dagger]

Just dont play it into rotten armour

I think rotten armour aint in rotation so you good

[compact oyster]

cole already made me well aware of the hyper violence triggering on cleave

[torpid cloud]

ill try it, but ill prolly also substitute some of the stamina curios for toughness xD

[astral canyon]

0% mobility lol

[compact oyster]

small issue

[analog hazel]

I don't think RA is in rotation

[blazing cove]

If you are in Rampage, and have your stimm setup for ability cooldown - does rampage need to have ended before you stimm, so it can regen? Or nah

[compact oyster]

i dont play havoc at all lmao

[zenith pagoda]

Brunt just gave me a 17% toughness

[split lagoon]

Have anyone played a non-keystone build?

[dim moth]

Weakness

[zenith pagoda]

Yes I have one

[analog hazel]

you don't get any cooldown until rampage ends

[split lagoon]

Is it good? Worth not picking any?

[unique dagger]

Your strongest shit is in keystones so that won’t be smart honestly

[calm aurora]

from lvl 1 to 18 I think

[unique dagger]

But go ahead

[blazing cove]

Cool thought so, but kept reading things that made me wonder

[torpid cloud]

theyre hard to get okay

[zenith pagoda]

Yes it's very good but hard to use

[random shuttle]

Hamdo my beautiful baklava!

How you like the Scummy?

[warped quiver]

how does sample collector work?
I hate to assume it's just 1-2% off of the total cooldown considering FS likes to do everything in the most obtuse way possible.
so surely it's not just 0.75s or 1.5s per kill at 30/30 stimm (75s cooldown)

[unique dagger]

You stimm after rampage ends

[zenith pagoda]

The best keystone is vultures mark imo

[unique dagger]

You cannot regen during the ability

[split lagoon]

It depends. Not really. I've read you can build something strong without the keystones

[neat dagger]

what does the Nimble perk mean when 'time considered dodging is increased by 50%' ?

[compact oyster]

btw argus

lowtiergod lost the award for best fighting game streamer

[zenith pagoda]

The dodge state where you are immune to attacks

[unique dagger]

I am scumming really good

[warped quiver]

dodge iframes go brr

[unique dagger]

Strongest havoc 40 solo class btw

[compact oyster]

and proceeded to wish death upon lilypichu

[random shuttle]

It's so good innit.

[unique dagger]

Hyper violence is goated

[high gull]

I am shocked

No really

[random shuttle]

Surely not @unique dagger

[unique dagger]

In solos

[high gull]

[random shuttle]

Youtubers told me Scum sucks akchually.

[rose flax]

How is dual stubs now?

[random shuttle]

You are wrong and also, possibly, smelly!

[robust sable]

Newly buffed Boom Bringer is my new favourite Blitz in the game

[compact oyster]

ok so julie said its bugged

[neat dagger]

ohh ok. gotcha

[unique dagger]

It has issues with keeping toughness up because of some interaction problems but some of it got solved so it feels better

[compact oyster]

but here someone said that you gain increased dodge range but it doesnt work against ranged?

[neat dagger]

nooooo another bugged perk?

[random shuttle]

You know what feels better?

[unique dagger]

Nimble is getting you killed with range so dropping that solved my dying to shooters isuue

[random shuttle]

Zooka.

[sturdy linden]

In patch 1.10.0, we introduced a change to how explosions work that was meant to improve performance around said explosions. A side effect of this was that players are being ‘hit’ by explosions from farther than before, which was unintended. We’re aiming to fix this issue in the next hotfix.

[high gull]

These look cool

[random shuttle]

God I love the Zookini.

[compact oyster]

nimble is just really weird right now and has gotten me killed a LOT

[sturdy linden]

It's so over

[neat dagger]

i assumed its 25% extra distance and 50% extra iframes in that dodge window

[unique dagger]

It is reported and will be fixed

[random shuttle]

SO WE WERENT DREAMING

[rose flax]

People keep saying this, but I don't get how they think so, I'm dodging in corners the exact same, it doesn't work ranged weapons though

[compact oyster]

enforcer rerun but now theyre blue

[zenith pagoda]

I'm gonna try desperado with vraks iag

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/whyareyoublue-walterwhite-breakingbad-blue-jesse-gif-12242572209403578115

[north meteor]

are you a fellow poe player

[sturdy linden]

Yes

[high gull]

A shame scum didn't get anything new added

[unique dagger]

I am loving the shivs rn tho, rampage shivs makes me feel things

[compact oyster]

who knows

[calm aurora]

dodges are shorter

[high gull]

I really do hope we aren't getting the arbi treatment

[rose flax]

Kind of weird they didn't specify the main issue
That being pox bursters explosion radius

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/abysmal-dogshit-gif-12732720091837856159

[compact oyster]

lots of cosmetics are added in a patch but dont drop in the next rotation but some other set

[unique dagger]

It is bugged

[robust sable]

It increases dodge speed, but doesn't increase dodge distance, which means dodges happen faster and thus less i-frames vs ranged, but same distance covered in a shorter time.
However, the dodge linger does apply to melee, which means faster dodges and thus more frequent dodges, on top of "longer i-frames" vs melee.

[compact oyster]

if i drank 1 shot for every time you said dodge do i need to go to the hospital?

[rose flax]

No I frames
Just breaks enemy tracking
Just like vermintide 2

[unique dagger]

Maybe not technically a bug but a relic of old code

Will be getting fixed as I said

[calm aurora]

will you go in a dodger?

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-flrtren-mr-krabs-biting-hospital-gif-20978435

[wind crane]

what do you guys think about shiv with needle pistol? (im a new player)

using this build: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077cf20-a93a-431c-8e46-ad209c1e9e69/insane-h40-toxin-needle-build

[robust sable]

AI slop image...

[unique dagger]

Plague ogryn after getting shot 5 times with needle pistol

[north meteor]

this doesn't solve cooldown for stimm though, and no point in using supply without stimm up I want perma stimm

[dreamy rover]

Did they change Tis just a stratch?

[rose flax]

Ah, this is why you guys think it's bugged
Yeah no, there's no I frames, all dodging does is break the enemies tracking, you can still get hit if you don't move out of the way

[wind crane]

move it up the tree i think

[hasty agate]

How many scum talents are still bugged?

[sturdy linden]

I guess it is some underlying coding issue

And not bursters specifically

[dreamy rover]

Ok, I see it

[radiant swift]

untrue, dodging puts you in the dodge state which does make you immune to certain(most) attacks

[rose flax]

No

[calm aurora]

I am not sure about the saw in a non rampage build, I would go shivs for mobility and survivability

[rose flax]

Your not immune

[zenith pagoda]

What's the best melee weapon for crushers on hivescum?

[drowsy relic]

Shiv

[rose flax]

It's the same thing as vermintide 2 it's why dodging backwards is so bad

[sterile geode]

New Krieg gasmasks for Psyker

[neat dagger]

shivs. 1 thrown shiv + 4 charge

[rose flax]

You can get hit by a running attack easily

[radiant swift]

its the exact same mechanic as ghost on ranged weapons but applies vs most melee attacks, ragers used to be able to bypass it though'

[zenith pagoda]

Aside from shivs

[keen timber]

probably caxe

[zenith pagoda]

Chainaxe?

[keen timber]

or bonesaw i guess

combat axe

rashad

[winter galleon]

only recently started modding, is there a quick fix to reenable mods until mod loader patched? all my mods are disabled right now

[keen timber]

no we need the loader

[compact oyster]

needle pistol

no i will not elaborate

[signal nebula]

Correct

[keen timber]

can you elaborate on how needle pistol is a melee weapon?

[calm aurora]

Also, no way to regen tg on kill

[random shuttle]

I have two new fun ways to bully bosses:

• Purple Jam Saw + Needle Pistol
• DOT Shivs + Rampage

Both make bosses looks very dumb.

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

[signal nebula]

Hive Scum

[keen timber]

yeah swap to this tbh

[spice cloud]

Goated for melee builds

Like insane

Super duper goody

Amd very nice for bosses

[signal nebula]

Been doing this since launch. Add Chem dependency on shivs for even faster deletion

[calm aurora]

and you are probably spending too much here @wind crane

[random shuttle]

yes

thats my build

Regularly in matches I have 70~% overall crit rate

[radiant swift]

is haymaker on the cleave knife memes or is it cooking?

[keen timber]

i think you can get rid of untoucable and it's fine

[prisma prism]

is anyone having issues with chem dependency only stacking up to 3?

[trim wind]

Unless dml got hosed again somehow you should just be able to run the bat file to reenable, you have to this any game update

[rose flax]

How is toxic renewal on shivs?

[keen timber]

jittery is really good, slippery customer is also

[random shuttle]

It feels like I am an experimental Chimpanzee on which evil scientist worked with new SuperCrack and let loose on Atoma.

[calm aurora]

toxic like a darktide youtuber

o//

[tepid compass]

Too bad jittery was moved, it fits in far fewer of my builds now

[keen timber]

im actively making sure i get it

i save points elsewhere

melee builds save a lot here because not taking duplicate nodes anymore

[prisma prism]

I feel like Maxed Out Chem borked after the patch. I cant get to 4 stacks at all

[rose flax]

Re enable the bat, you don't need a patch in the first place, that's only if mods break or something with DMT itself

[radiant swift]

the points I saved from not having to go out of my way to get is but a scratch go into getting it

[stray horizon]

Im really thinking hard about if pick pocket is worth the points for needle pistol, or if i should spend thoose 3 points on survival talents instead, like slippery customer and jittery

[twilit smelt]

Hear me out. Desperado doesnt end until you switch to melee OR finish your reload. I really dont like how you have to time in the hopes of not wasting that bit of ammo.

[north meteor]

gonna have to use a lower CD stimm

[keen timber]

unless ur doing a ranged build i really dont think pickpocket is worth it

it's really good, but it's not necessary

[rose flax]

Uh, that seems strong

[keen timber]

it does nothing if ur not shooting that much

[calm aurora]

I don't use it with the needle pistol on my melee build. If I need more ammo I can switch aura

[stray horizon]

At the moment im doing stimm bomber build

[prisma prism]

3 Stack hasn't ended and yet its not stacking

[keen timber]

and needle pistols aren't really good with ranged setups anyway

[north meteor]

ah weird

[rose flax]

Would make more sense to force you to reload then, otherwise desperado becomes even stronger

[keen timber]

it doesn't make a difference if you reload before or after it ends. the end ammo result is the same.

[unique dagger]

Depends on your playstyle really, I like never having to think about picking up an ammo cache ever again, and I tend to shoot a lot

[twilit smelt]

Youre right. But instead of frocing you to reload, it should just stay active till your reload is complete. That would solve my issue.

[keen timber]

there's no issue there

[unique dagger]

but if you arent shooting much, slippery customer is better for example

[keen timber]

it doesn't MATTER if you reload before or after, u end up with the same amount of ammo anyway

[twilit smelt]

Oh, really?

[keen timber]

yes

[twilit smelt]

oh, well nvm then lol

[reef spoke]

Not liking the new talent changes for my Desperado build :c

Oh well

[reef spoke]

It's very handy c:

[restive vortex]

is it finally safe to run hypercritical or does it still deny toughness regen from melee kills?

[north meteor]

Almost all of my builds are melee and my only ranged are Psyker staff builds lmao. Do I make a Desperado build on Scum, or do I make a Vet

[calm aurora]

you have to take survival nodes on the i am immortal build :/

[restive mortar]

They put gun dodge all the way at the bottom 😭

[reef spoke]

Na they moved my spread reduction node into an inconvenient spot

[restive mortar]

WHAT EVEN IS A SPRINT DODGE

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-gif-26153874

Scum when vet

[reef spoke]

Yeah that sucks too

[tender forge]

Its an angle you can run at to evade gunfire

I never ise it

Sliding all the way

[restive mortar]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[tender forge]

Such a useless mechanic I didnt even tell my friend who just started playing

[dim moth]

okay kill that reaper 30 meters over there shooting your ogryn to death

[radiant swift]

it's good to remember but sliding around is generally safer

[unique dagger]

pro tip, doesnt matter if you dont have a needle pistol, as long as you have shivs, just special spam all of your shivs into a boss asap to inflict 18 stacks of toxin immediately before engaging

(headshot pls)

[winter tusk]

OK, pistol away

[reef spoke]

Yeah shivs are funny like that

I've been enjoying them and rashad

[tender forge]

Instructions unclear, I threw my bonesaw

[prisma prism]

nevermind. I figured out why.
I still had an old stack that lasts 90 secs despite adding Maxed Out Stim later on.
that made the current stack still run on 90 secs and caps at 3 stacks.
only happens in meat grinder.

[reef spoke]

I haven't really tried bonesaw yet though :c

[unique dagger]

crazy amount of toxin for pressing special three times

[radiant swift]

idk if it's a skissue for me but shivs just felt significantly better to use then either the crowbar or bonesaw

could be not using their movesets right but idk, they don't seem that complicated beyond alternating heavy and lights

[wet heath]

I keep trying chem addict with desperado and I just don't get the appeal

[prisma prism]

its preference if you ask me.
I'm still disappointed its default attack speed is like holding a single knife despite having two.
The only one that needs a bit of practice to use is the bone saw because of its slow attack motions.

[unique dagger]

btw get this mod for this class %100

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/654

[idle lava]

Damage modifiers (+25% damage to carapace) does not effect, Toxin from the source, yes?

[trim wind]

Shivs are just generally better than those

[signal nebula]

All of my builds gained 2 points

Vastly better layout than before

[lapis raft]

fast weapons just feel better to use as you arent locked to animation right, at least to me

[signal nebula]

Role on Broker 2.0

[lapis raft]

but well downside is that the per hit damage is a lot lower

[rose flax]

Yes it does
Only while melee/ranged is held though
Unless your ranged/melee weapon has the same perk

[dense hollow]

dmg from 25% dmg perks apply to toxin dot while you hold the weapon that has it

[dreamy rover]

servers are a mess right now

[trim wind]

Crowbar requires building around to feel ok

[tight musk]

Random scum-mate ran off on their own, went down, and then everything collapsed.

[prisma prism]

its sad that you need this mod at all because of how bad the cooldown looks like ingame.
its like how I need warp unbound timer instead of looking at the bottom of the screen while in the middle of the horde hoping I don't make a mistake of using warp attacks while at 100 when it runs out

[robust sable]

Trying to run Boom Bringer, but then another Hive Scum also brings it, wasted all 4 immediately, steals all nade pick ups, repeats the process

I never got a nade pick up

[unique dagger]

I love how numeric ui isnt basegame bro

[robust sable]

[north meteor]

and how its always broken

[unique dagger]

its working rn

go grab

[north meteor]

oh its fixed?

[unique dagger]

yeah I'm using it

[twilit smelt]

Is the "Stim supply" ability considered sort of bad/mid or am i just using it wrong?

[sleek grove]

Do perks do anything for Needle gun?

[dim moth]

see this happening with people who literally only use the rockets on bosses

[vernal sluice]

Yeah stuff like ult cooldown timers and teammate ammo values not being in basegame is particularly crazy imo

[cloud pawn]

it was updated and works now

[winter galleon]

feels like most players are blitz goblins, i often go entire games without them unless i take ones that self-recharge

[idle lava]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d6882-0b38-4c0b-af59-703e2585c272/hivescumjpg

this is what im building towards (level 24 scum, I havent had the energy to play as of late)

[prisma prism]

its fixed. they had a hotfix on darktide mod discord when it broke, then later on official fix came out.

[robust sable]

I'm using it on Crusher packs mostly, with the odd 15 Shotgunners shielded by 4 Bulwarks as well.

[dim moth]

yeah

[north meteor]

its good, but you don't ever have both the pack and the stimm come up at the same time

[radiant swift]

it's very statisfying to blow up packs with it now

[calm aurora]

Am I a little bit paranoid after what happened?

[radiant swift]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-23725523

[sleek grove]

Ok, not only perks, but blessings for the needlde gun? Gloryhunter i guess it still doesn't work

[calm aurora]

Bro comes, asks questions and just disappears.

[prisma prism]

not the right place to ask that. should go #general-chat .
apart from that, I recommend not talking about "recommended youtubers"
it brings out factions

[vernal sluice]

TBF people probably still watch tanner due to previous inertia, I think some of his builds are still among the most upvoted on gameslantern?

[dim moth]

huh

[unique dagger]

I'd record so much content if my fps wasnt 25 while I record xd

one day

I'll achieve stable 60 fps

[calm aurora]

indiegogogo lesgoooo

[unreal stirrup]

blackout + stim regen is crazy

[ruby marsh]

Weak

[pearl ore]

the machine plays darktide properly or it goes back into surgery

[drowsy relic]

The real endgame is analysing the lore so of course fripfrop

[calm aurora]

my point is there is people on youtube, steam and reddit actively shitting on discord because we're toxic to newcomers

[twilit smelt]

Also, saying this was really dumb lol. Didnt realize that desperado literally gives you infinite stamina.

[iron patrol]

this is fucking me up so bad

[pearl ore]

we're only usually ever really mean to bigots

[wind crane]

how to deal with suicide bombrs as needle? dmg isnt fast enough ticking to kill in time usually

[radiant swift]

push them

[dim moth]

push them with your melee weapon

[unique dagger]

pray to the emperor that they get pushed

[iron patrol]

turn around and run the fuck away is my usual strat

[wind crane]

dont i have to get really close to push?

[calm aurora]

don't shoot

[dim moth]

poxbursters have a bigger push radius if they're jumping

[unique dagger]

%50 chance it will instadive you or blow up 100 meters away and down you anyways

or not blow up at all

[winter galleon]

yes, currently they are bugged which is the problem and they are blowing up early/bigger explosions, but in proper play its what supposed to do

[unique dagger]

or not get pushed

[wind crane]

so i push them when they jump? seems very risky

[reef spoke]

I guess I need to tinker with my build more. I haven't tried enough different builds 🤔

[prisma prism]

ngl I've gotten the same hostile attacks before when I posted a "fun build".
I'm not gonna say everyone is toxic in just one place but there are quite a bit appearing here and there even outside discord when it comes to darktide.

[dense hollow]

its the safest method in most cases

[reef spoke]

I really should try the funny "stamina = melee attack speed" talent

That one seems good

[radiant swift]

ish, it's not particularly hard to do with practice, however poxbursters are bugged rn so it's more dangerous then usual

[pearl ore]

wait for them to start spraying green, push and dodge backwards, its the standardized burster counter

[iron patrol]

free 20% attack speed

[wind crane]

ok ty

[reef spoke]

I doubt it's that high :p but does seem good

[calm aurora]

dodging backwards is important

[pearl ore]

the timing might take you a bit, dont feel bad

[calm aurora]

also dodging behind a wall too

a real wall

[iron patrol]

2% per stamina, 10 stamina=20% attack speed

[prisma prism]

its "ok", its a little boost but I won't put it on top of priority nodes

[pearl ore]

bursters are a bit more punishing on the dodge right now but once you get it you can do it on reflex without really having to think through it

[dense hollow]

veterans and psykers spend a talent point on a lot of builds for 10% attack speed

[reef spoke]

Indeed, maybe I should just get a funny stam curio

[dense hollow]

hs spends a talent point for more attack speed than them

[iron patrol]

get 3

[prisma prism]

if I'm not using a stave, 10% attack speed is a must.

[calm aurora]

fgs without 10% attack speed is horrible

[iron patrol]

this is the one class its actually worth it

[pearl ore]

apparently juiced attack speed glass cannons are unpopular with the people lately

[calm aurora]

you can skip it on every other weapon

[main trellis]

Tbh i only take it to reach 25% weakspot dmg

[reef spoke]

Perhaps but I haven't tried enough weapons :c Tac Axe soon

[pearl ore]

if you have no whimsy sure I guess

[reef spoke]

But shooters D:

[severe zephyr]

How does the game manage the ammo on the map? Does it put more if nearly all of the team are gunner focused??

Or doesn’t matter

[tepid compass]

I just want a 3 Stam curio for hive scum. Been checking every day

[dim moth]

somehwere around 300% ammo per player for regular aurics

[main trellis]

Exacly; stam maxing is a meme; don’t be a fool that dies to ranged

[calm aurora]

it's not player dependant

[void fiber]

O block resident 40k edition
(Hes fun)

[rose flax]

Brain might not be working, but does anyone know how I have the exact same talents but can take weak spot strength when I had to sacrifice it to take regained posture?

[calm aurora]

you need to find a green one with a least 410 on it

[severe zephyr]

Oh i see, thanks i was wondering this since my first vet character

[dense hollow]

why are you skipping the toughness node in middle

[keen timber]

guarantee it's a visual bug.

[main trellis]

This is some weird build

[keen timber]

also yeah this build is so weird

it's skipping good stuff for some really weird not worth it stuff

[main trellis]

And then ppl say HS is bad & shit… yeah…

[halcyon adder]

criminal () that this doesnt come in any other color

[rose flax]

Possibly

[unreal stirrup]

is it just me or maxed stim is better for crate @low harbor

[keen timber]

click it, leave the talent screen and go back in

[unreal stirrup]

since you get double crate

[low harbor]

with sample collector kinda?

[unreal stirrup]

so you can place crate when on stim cd

then you get another crate when stim off cd

[unreal stirrup]

obviously you dont get the stim effect on 1 of them

[rose flax]

Breaks with hyper critical, no point to take it

[neat dagger]

stim supply w/o your stim effect, isn't it kinda meh? it heals corruption only.. right?

[unreal stirrup]

but i find it better since it is alway reducing stim cd

[fast gust]

People on steam expecting for ally kills to refill blinders

Peak steam

[low harbor]

this would be just for the trap tho

[keen timber]

then skip hypercrit

[calm aurora]

I don't understand

[dense hollow]

it doesnt anymore, also you're taking hyper violence and hyper critical which is incompatible with eachother anyway

[turbid fulcrum]

trhe fuck indeed

[rose flax]

I'm on games lantern

[keen timber]

no idea then

[dense hollow]

you skipped the toughness regen on getting shot and toughness regen on toughness break

[rose flax]

Wait, what? It doesn't say it was fixed in the hot fix

[keen timber]

yeah this build is SO Weird

[calm aurora]

they said it

[unreal stirrup]

basically 100% viscosity stim have 75s cooldown

[neat dagger]

apparently the dmg from hyper-crit doesnt apply to hyper-vio

[low harbor]

90s

[unreal stirrup]

wait what

[main trellis]

That build requires some MAJOR tinkering

[low harbor]

stim can't recharge while it's active

which is 15s

[unreal stirrup]

even on crate?

[dim moth]

(this also fixed sample collector)