hivescum-class

[random shuttle]

and I rip and tear with it

big time

[vast yoke]

autoclicker goes brrrrrr

[toxic dagger]

first thing I asked for when I saw these notes lol

but it's a good first step

[vast yoke]

the only issue I had with box cutter bleedtox build was that chem nades didn't fit it because you were a mobile AOE killzone already

[flat mist]

I now have the points to go full drug mode with chem dependancy and have an 11s rampage cooldown. Scumming so hard

[median bridge]

So I made a berserker knife build should I use hyper violence or hyper critical

[vast yoke]

deadass you don't really need either

[random shuttle]

I use both

[tight musk]

Also needle pistol still doesn't work with vulture's mark.

[median bridge]

Elaborate

[vast yoke]

it appears even the devs don't use that keystone

[vast yoke]

9 times out of 10 if you crit with a Fleshtearer + Tox on crit box cutter most things just die anyway

[median bridge]

But what if I really want things dead

[vast yoke]

also both of those talents work in tandem now sooo go wild if you want to

[flat mist]

Nah not even close to true. That thing has INSANE cleave

[vast yoke]

then go both

[dense hollow]

with the anti synergy between hyper critical and hyper violence you should just use hyper violence

[turbid fulcrum]

Man, I wanted to create a janky ranged needle pistol/support hybrid build with that keystone

[dense hollow]

use one or the other since they both work

[dim moth]

the time has scum

[vast yoke]

not anymore afaik

they fixed it(?)

[vernal sluice]

I run hypercrit only because I'm already running riposte shivs and butterfly talent

[flat mist]

Get ittttt

[dense hollow]

they specified precision violence being fixed but not the interraction between hyper crit and hyper violence

so there's no guarantee it works now

[toxic dagger]

they dont work together well

[patent bone]

DAMMIT IT'S STILL THE SAME!!!

[vast yoke]

oh rip

scratches my armpits

[toxic dagger]

@random shuttle if hypercritical triggers, then you do 0 overkill because you didnt kill the enemy, the talent did

so no bonus for hyperviolence

[vast yoke]

someone should test which one is better for box cutter DOT build

[vernal sluice]

also it's not foolproof but defensive talent reshuffling so it's not bottom heavy anymore is huge. new scummers should have a much easier time going forward

[vast yoke]

in the meantime ill just use neither lmao

[flat mist]

Well hyperviolence helps hyper crit, it just then cancels hyper violence. It could help you reach a threshold occasionally but not more than another damage node.

[median bridge]

So I should mainly use hyper violence if I wanna do more damage

[lost bear]

tbf if hypercritical did 2x the crit damage instead of just killing, hyperviolence would be fucked

[patent bone]

I just want the Cartel Proud armwraps to match the gangs colors!

[flat mist]

If it's a dot build obviously hyperviolence is better because the dots can finish off lower health enemies

[dim moth]

I might genuinely be able to upkeep 100% crit chance almost permanently on stimm supply scum now that it procs dependency

[random shuttle]

is okay

[vast yoke]

hi

[random shuttle]

I kill to fast to notice anyway

[flat mist]

If you want to chase big numbers? Sure

[livid raven]

it could just consider the normal crit hit instead of the hypercritical execution

[flat mist]

Greetings, fellow human

[vast yoke]

I'll try out hyperviolence because Fatshark gave me a free Talent point stimmy

[tired prairie]

Clearly Haymaker shivs should be added to the mix for even more redundancy /j

[halcyon apex]

Cheap shots still in the tree pretending that it does something.

[severe zephyr]

mmmm did they increase the stim cd??

[median bridge]

Well I’m on console so I just wanna make things dead

[livid raven]

no

[flat mist]

Yeah by 20s across the board

[vast yoke]

unironically haymaker might give box cutter shiv HEAVIES 1 AND 2* some utility because as it stands you can forget about its heavies besides hidden H3

[tight musk]

I just realized, you can put run 'n' gun on dual autopistols, but they technically have run 'n' gun baked in, similar to shredder autopistol...tho I guess you still get other benefits from the blessing, not just ability to run and, well, gun.

[tired prairie]

Considering how many cleave/attack speed buffs the class has, this isn’t a silly idea at all

[drowsy relic]

No new scum cosmetics in the hotfix

[livid raven]

yeah

i wouldn't suggest it

[vast yoke]

a lot of people used spread reduction on pistols/uzis the first couple of days but you can just ignore both the talent and blessings and spreadmaxx

[severe zephyr]

i don't see nothing about this on notes

[flat mist]

Huh am I just gonna not take jittery now and pick up more damage (or something)... it was basically a mandatory node before

[random shuttle]

Wow

[lusty lichen]

The spread reduction is good one some weapon, but the autopistols piss so fast that I don't think it is needed.

[flat mist]

I'm being evil

[random shuttle]

FS dropped the ball

[severe zephyr]

oh okay

[random shuttle]

No new class with the hotfix.

[zenith pagoda]

I'm surprised they didn't also make needle pistol proc vultures mark

[random shuttle]

SMH.

[harsh reef]

dayum

[turbid fulcrum]

I hope it'S an oversight

[vast yoke]

it's good on brauto builds but those kinda feel awful ngl

[random shuttle]

I really hoped the hotfix will give us the Skitarii guys

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/mechanicus-warhammer-40k-warhammer-videx-gif-6980799047039683642

[flat mist]

Or proc it's own blessings like whatever the toughness one on elite kill is called

There's still plenty to fix

[compact oyster]

surely the next class is grey knight because thats an origin in the dark heresy tabletop

[tight musk]

Yeah, honestly, you're not sniping with them anyway, you're shooting things like 5-10 meters away.

[flat mist]

But hypercritical is fixed, needle is fixed (mostly) and blackout is fixed

[ebon badge]

IAG is so much better than autopistols

[livid raven]

this cosmetic looks so stupid

[flat mist]

Those were the main big ones

[pale sparrow]

No nerfs, thank you fatshark 🙏

[zenith pagoda]

And the stim talents work for box

[vast yoke]

even dual pistols barely need spread reduction, the default spread let's you centermass spam humans and still let's you headshot spam gryns

[severe zephyr]

do you guys consider recoil as something important on bandit double uzi build?

[livid raven]

no

[vast yoke]

just look down

[pale sparrow]

Recoil? Tf is that?

[severe zephyr]

allright

[livid raven]

if it doesn't improve dps, it's worthless

[flat mist]

Looking forward to understanding why less ability cooldown would even be beneficial for that ability

[lusty lichen]

Stim dependency is the worst keystone in this game imo, worse than marksman focus...

[flat mist]

So you can have two bombs per long stimm?

[livid raven]

lol no

[dim moth]

dude the fucking radius on the boom bringer lmao

[lapis raft]

it isnt benefical at all rly

[severe zephyr]

i was thinking about the damage on weak points, maybe if you mantain it removing some recoil will increase damage

[zenith pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-pirates-caribbean-of-the-gif-19918274

[flat mist]

If you want more bombs just run low CD stimm and spam them with sample collector

[livid raven]

you are forgetting about a certain arbites keystone

[vast yoke]

honestly most ppl just run Blazeaway + Speedloader or Pinning Fire. I reloadmaxx with blessing and talent

[lapis raft]

because it still consumes the stimm

[dim moth]

20% crit chance and 20% tdr

[pale sparrow]

Literally me

[lusty lichen]

Arby has keystones?

[noble latch]

just saw that it got buffed

[vernal sluice]

fuck yeah

[severe zephyr]

i see

[vernal sluice]

yeah actually, I'm probably the only person here unironically running run and gun on my uzis

[lusty lichen]

Autopiss reload max is the way

[pale sparrow]

How does one see damage numbers?

[lusty lichen]

Mod

[vast yoke]

yeah they have the dog keystone that gives you CDR and the stagger keystone that gives you everything. it's a shame they only have 2

[livid raven]

you see it in the meat grinder or you can get an healthbar mod

[severe zephyr]

that was my main build, i have to say is the most fun i've had at darktide in years

[vernal sluice]

same. I love hivescum

[vast yoke]

hivescum is so fun when you don't got an overweight youtuber telling you it's bad in your ear

[tired prairie]

It’s negligible, but Sticky Fingers helps with occasionally sniping something. I wouldn’t run Run and Gun due to blessing slots being precious.

[severe zephyr]

do you think it worth the recoil perk with the swap weapon? i need that 1 point as much as someone can need something

[vernal sluice]

preach 🗣️ 🗣️

[dim moth]

you can't hold th stimm supply box anymore NOOOOO

[tight musk]

You don't care about supply box cooldown, you care about the keystone modifiers.

[vernal sluice]

I accidentally peeped the reginald tanner drama last night, instant regret

[rustic osprey]

Looney Toons aah rocket launcher.

I like it

[flat mist]

bruh please for the love of god dont spend FOUR POINTS on 20% crit and 20% TDR

[tired prairie]

It’s a civilised discussion, if anything; hardly any drama about it

[severe zephyr]

i see, i'm between the damage on monstruocity and elites or that talent..............ahhhhhhhhhh

[flat mist]

thats two nodes worth at most

[vast yoke]

why do white gay couples always look like clones

[vernal sluice]

LMAO

[lusty lichen]

Even those are mediocre.

[vernal sluice]

Idk? We gotta fund a study

[lusty lichen]

Waste of point.

[dense hollow]

it'll be a really good option now, as deleting dense armor and bulwark walls instantly are extreme value compared to waiting for them to die with the other blitzes

[lusty lichen]

It was krak, now is is an actual rocket.

[vast yoke]

I'm lowk kinda hungry can anyone order me a Nu Gundam Master Grade

[vernal sluice]

Just because there aren't any slurs being thrown around doesn't mean the 'discussion' isn't a dumpster fire. But honestly who gaf

[rustic osprey]

Is it really drama? it's more of "Nah you're wrong"

"Nuh uh... YOU'RE wrong"

"Yuh Huh, you're wrong"

[neon fern]

bold way to store explosives

[lusty lichen]

If you pay me.

[wet heath]

Changes are nice but now I'm locked out of Jittery passive because their placement changed

[flat mist]

fucking LAME, the needle gun actually has to hit an enemy for it to count towards blackout

[neon fern]

game is borken fs, unplayable...

[vernal sluice]

Perhaps I'm being hyperbolic but I found it extremely embarrasing

[flat mist]

to be fair it would be way to OP if the aoe spread could proc it

[lost bear]

does grenade pickup round up or down

[vernal sluice]

The play was for reginald to ignore tanner and his video

[wet heath]

And now I need to figure out how to get 1 extra point there

[tight musk]

If I'm doing a full toxin and chem supply build, vulture's mark doesn't work with needle pistol and adrenaline isn't really the best pick either, but I will regain stimms every like 30 seconds from all the toxin kills so I can keep the chem dependency buffs going all the time.

[rustic osprey]

I found it very funny. Every time i woke up there was an upload, lmao

[vast yoke]

you are probably saving points across the tree that you haven't realised yet. mouse over every changed talent

[compact oyster]

Cole doing nothing and being declared as the worst playtester

Bro is catching mean strays

[flat mist]

its not worth four points.

[vast yoke]

it's a hilarious bit to upload hive scum footage day 1 using a tax and brauto tbh

[vernal sluice]

Fair, I'm probably getting too unc to get enjoyment out of people melvining out at one another instead of just playing the game and having fun 😔

[dim moth]

resources lmao

[flat mist]

crit isnt even that good with needle pistol

[wet heath]

Not entirely, other changes didn't affect me but I forgot about point in Swift Endurance that it useless to me

[vernal sluice]

SOULS BROS

[flat mist]

like its beneficial but its also usually overkill

[vernal sluice]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[vast yoke]

hi

[mighty belfry]

not knowing hive scum is the second class now that legit doesn't even need to pick up ammo

[vernal sluice]

bitch I fucking hate fromsoft games

[tight musk]

Ok, dude, make your own build, put those points where you want, the world is your oyster, I'm just typing shit in it.

[pale sparrow]

Thanks

[flat mist]

dont come and post in chat if you dont want people to give their opinion g

[vast yoke]

arbites doesn't have to pick up ammo either because no arbites main can aim

[mighty belfry]

holy shit

[dim moth]

third

[severe zephyr]

Who needs to aim with that big shotgun

[wet heath]

Who's the first one?

[mighty belfry]

psyker

[vast yoke]

apparently not arbites players from my experience

[mighty belfry]

cuz staves

i guess technically vet too

if you run shock troop

[wet heath]

Nah, even with survivalist you kinda still need

but yea HS has legit infinite ammo

[dense hollow]

if you run out of ammo on something like helbore lasgun something went terribly wrong in your department

[calm aurora]

hot take, despacito is the new plasma vet / qq psyker abuser

[compact oyster]

Genuinely if taxe wasnt on a class cole would just evaporate

[vast yoke]

i mean, psyker, las vet builds, average zealot player with throwing knives and bistol (half the time they don't even go thru 80 rnds a mission), arbites mains for the same reason because impacts are just 30 second CD throwing knives with aoe

[severe zephyr]

There is no aim section on the Lex manual

[calm aurora]

taxe is on every class since he became a playtester

[vernal sluice]

I don't understand why the basic mark is so popular with arboobies

[rustic osprey]

I do both. Play the game and watch slop

Sometimes though, i wonder why people fight over slop or care so much about content creators when all that does is perpetuate a endless cycle of infighting and oversimplification of issues this community has with itself.

But that's Warhammer 40k basically, a bunch of pseudo intelectuals claiming each to be the holder of truth while we just turn our brains off and watch Space King

[vernal sluice]

Deleting rangeds with the duckbill mark is so much more fun

[unreal stirrup]

the duckbill one don't really scale well in havoc

[vernal sluice]

[unreal stirrup]

the lack of range is real

[compact oyster]

Taxe propaganda...

[vast yoke]

Fun fact: The Mourningstar toilets have recorded an increase of 2300% to the output of piss stains across the walls and ceilings since the release of Arbites

[unreal stirrup]

also the choke one is better for bossing which is one of the thing arby need helping

or you can use cs because it's better than both

[tired prairie]

It’s not that big of a deal + it has decent minimal pellet count on its shots, so you can snipe with it in a pinch

[rustic lava]

I wish I could try out scum on mortis trails but the director is broken there and just full throttle from the beginning

[tired prairie]

Bolter.

[flat mist]

Can't believe they buffed shiv lmao

And I can use HC

[tired prairie]

Good

[unreal stirrup]

bolter is good but eh

you need to run talent for it so offset the shitty reload time

[vernal sluice]

what was the buff, I only saw they increased the range of H1 attack

[flat mist]

Someone call my boss and tell him I'm cleaning up scum and cant come in

[vast yoke]

I mean, if they didn't have tac axe then Cole would never playtest them now would he

[flat mist]

Ot something like that

[unreal stirrup]

cleave

[calm aurora]

true

[unreal stirrup]

i still think knife is better

[unreal stirrup]

taxe is actually insane on scum

[flat mist]

I can't remember I'm deliriously tired. More damage on light attacks and better hit register or some shit

[tight rock]

Lads...kaboom?

[vernal sluice]

Right gotcha

[unreal stirrup]

at first i thought caxe would be broken on hive due to hyper violence but after playing for a while it actually mid as hell ngl

[main wagon]

just found this on the mourningstar, literally unplayable game

[flat mist]

Path yapping about it being highest scum dps

[rustic osprey]

Does this chat have a consensus on Desperado vs. Rampage for dps?

[unreal stirrup]

rampage is insane while desperado is brainless

i mean it actually manage to make devil claw good

[neon fern]

desperado can't be beat

[vast yoke]

it's pretty good for desperado builds because you don't need to stack any cleave talents. it's just a cheap kill-horde-when-off-cd-and-crushers tool

[neon fern]

but rampge is p good

[dim moth]

the humble martyrdom zealot:

[winter tusk]

rampage breaking everything isnt good, just means weapons wont get buffed for other classes

[flat mist]

Who cares we are scum now

[fast gust]

You can nerf rampage and buff hsword

[unreal stirrup]

I mean scum get to be a better martydom zealot

in 1 button

and way more mobility

[flat mist]

And psyker is still the best melee class

[vast yoke]

the only truly underpowered off-class melee for scum is dclaw and let's be fr fatshark knows that thing stinks

[unreal stirrup]

this is actually insane

[winter tusk]

shock mauls, devils claw, and heavy sword are all dogshit and miserable to use on most classes

[vast yoke]

shock maul isn't even on scum

[unreal stirrup]

shock maul are fine on arbites

[winter tusk]

i know

[novel perch]

Shock maul slander?

[winter tusk]

but its just another weapon they wont buff

2 hard

[unreal stirrup]

but that just because they can proc skullcrusher on anything

[flat mist]

Is this a relic blade

[unreal stirrup]

if we're not counting psword heavy sword is probably the best horde clear melee

[compact oyster]

Yeah

[flat mist]

Yuck

[compact oyster]

First relic blade skin

[unreal stirrup]

but then it have the crippling downsize of carapace damage

[fleet lantern]

Best fix.

[flat mist]

This chat is for scum... and ogryn psyker vet and arby

[unreal stirrup]

but everything it kill well it kill about the same time as psword

[wind crane]

qq psyker?

[ruby token]

First 2 aren't even that bad

[winter tusk]

if hivescum can 2shot crushers with heavy sword they're never going to buff it even slightly lol

[zenith pagoda]

Stimm supply only cures corruption from current wound right? Does blessed stims do it for any wound?

[ruby token]

Has the game been that power creeped?!?

[winter tusk]

yes

[calm aurora]

You're macroing to shoot and vent really fast

[unreal stirrup]

it also allow inferno m1 macro

[winter tusk]

beating down a pack of crushers on most classes with a heavysword is fucking horrible, literally 7-8 hits per enemy

[unreal stirrup]

which is higher dps than m2 spam + stagger and suppression

actually broken

[neon fern]

new rl range is kinda crazy

[mental igloo]

I'm glad the bug with dual autopistols still exists where if you bash and hold rmb you'll do a 2nd bash

[wise sorrel]

Yeah man it's dual auto pistols what's the point of having two of them if you're only gonna bash with one

[vast yoke]

i think evis technically is because of that infinite crit cleave blessing but that's about all it does

the best car for sleeping in isn't necessarily a good car

[unreal stirrup]

evis still have cleave cap no?

even with blessing

[flat mist]

What

[vast yoke]

idk zealot mains don't know what those words mean so i can't get good data from them anecdotal or not

[unreal stirrup]

while hsword have good innate cleave + bromentum

[vast yoke]

im hungry cy feed me

[flat mist]

The real question is what's the point of having two of them when it's just a visual effect and no different than a single gun with twice the fire rate

[compact oyster]

neeed

[hot moth]

drip

[flat mist]

Should get a plumber in and fix it

[unreal stirrup]

rule of cool and not letting player snipe with it without delay

[flat mist]

More like rule of cooldve just been an update to the weapon customisation mod

[winter tusk]

watching controller players is pain

[lusty lichen]

You can play without all of those. Other nodes are stronger.

[unreal stirrup]

weapon customization is eh

I just use it to get the cleanest iron sight

[flat mist]

Eh all I'm griping about is that it's not true dual wielding

[rare stirrup]

they... buffed the shivs?

[unreal stirrup]

or just remove them and rely on crosshair remap

[rare stirrup]

lmao

[unreal stirrup]

shiv feel like a worse knife before idk if that changed

I haven't start the game

[hot moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G7-Lezu6XM tox scum be like

[wind crane]

needle vs autopistols in more difficult content?

which one should i pick?

[hot moth]

depends on what build you're playing

don't play needle on desperado

i wouldn't use autopistol(s) on a non-desperado build

[lusty lichen]

Sorry to ping again, but like, if you want quick stimm pack cooldown, you can pick more attack speed so the node that reset stim pack upon regaining stim makes it faster than the keystone node itself. Same for other damage talents.

[iron patrol]

can i get a shirt that says "i got my Hive Scum level 30 before talent tree reworks"

[zenith pagoda]

Uhhh "long lasting" doesn't work with "fast acting stims", it remains as 15s

[rare stirrup]

another thing to gatekeep

lets goooooo

[slender plinth]

is it wrong that i feel like it wasn't that bad before the reworks 😭
just dodge 5head

[rare stirrup]

it wasnt

[obsidian cipher]

thats not really true btw
I did a video earlier showing, but its kinda bugged so idk if they fixed it on this hotfix

[maiden heart]

i didnt think it was as bad as ive seen some people complain

[modest patio]

Depends on your melee weapon really

[wind crane]

why?

[fleet lantern]

Because those two weapons do two very different things.

[modest patio]

Because different weapons do different things

[slender plinth]

if your melee is good for carapce you want smgs

[winter tusk]

Getting VERY fucking tired of these buggy ass bursters

[slender plinth]

if your melee is good for horde cear you want needle

[iron patrol]

it was just dodge for 20 minutes till you fucked up once and died

[wind crane]

which is good for horde clear vs carapace? ((sry im a new player)

[unreal stirrup]

i think hypercrit need to proc on kill fr fr but have exception

[slender plinth]

this just wasn't my experience tbh, it felt durable enough especially with pickpocket

[zenith pagoda]

Why does toxin mania stack like 10 times when it says it caps at 15%

[tight rock]

is hyper critical working on ranged attacks?

[slender plinth]

or well
before pickpocket
still durable enough

[iron patrol]

you were at pickpocket deep in the tree

[hot moth]

hypercirtical does not work on ranged attacks, and this is intended

[exotic oxide]

how does this work with Double Barrel?

[slender plinth]

ye but slippery customer is early and is just

ridiculous

[tight rock]

ah, shit

[maiden heart]

ive seen ppl say this but ive been playing lower difficulties levelling my partner. whats buggy about them rn? o:

[slender plinth]

slide spamming away from everything on earth

[hot moth]

if you reload from empty, 22% damage

[winter tusk]

they aren't blowing up when they're supposed to, they're also running up to you without trying to explode

[exotic oxide]

sounds good, thanks

[livid raven]

they have a bigger explosion range than what they should have

[slender plinth]

uhhhh depends on the weapon, but as a rule stuff with strikedowns and such are good for carapace

[winter tusk]

they're supposed to trigger a jump once they get close enough but they've been shit recently

[slender plinth]

i assume you're on hive scum so shivs and crowbars (alt mode) put out good work against capace

[livid raven]

i've had one hugging my ass yesterday

[iron patrol]

the explo radius is like comically mis-placed and they wait for you to push before getting up and jumping your ass

[obsidian cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWYXO_1j8vw
this was prehotfix tho, you can see my first light doing 1k
gotta test it now
edit: Apparently they fixed it in a bad (guess logic?) way (no overkill dmg)

[slender plinth]

you can test any weapon in the psychanium, you can generally tell 'this does valid damage' vs 'this does almost no damage' by donking a crusher a few times

and then it's mostly about blessings and talent nodes

[maiden heart]

@livid raven @iron patrol oh really, thats ridiculous

[livid raven]

also

[maiden heart]

i didnt notice anything like that in lower diffs but i was kinda faded too so

[livid raven]

this bug may or may not impact other enemies with area of attacks

like crushers, nets, bombs

Crushers have been quite funky lately too

[winter tusk]

defiinitely fucking feels like it does

[slender plinth]

yeah it's not super easily noticeable but it's there

[iron patrol]

and then there are these mfs that like to breathe down your neck

[winter tusk]

noticeable enough to get you dead in a bad senario

[slender plinth]

truing

[iron patrol]

his ass is hugging my arbitrator

[neon fern]

the blast radius

[livid raven]

also sometimes

poxbursters just ignore the push

[iron patrol]

oh thats worse

[livid raven]

but i had that happen only twice

[spice cloud]

Did they actually buff the class because people cried for 4 days straight?

[livid raven]

no, they buffed the rocket launcher

[slender plinth]

they buffed the rocket launcher (understandable ig) and reordered some talents

[livid raven]

and they redistributed talents around

[neon fern]

there's other buffs

[slender plinth]

afaik there's no buffs

[neon fern]

to weapons

[spice cloud]

Ok good

[livid raven]

because the levelling experience was indeed trash

[iron patrol]

i push the fuckwit, it stumbles a couple steps back and then either continues just running at me or insta jumps and i just die

[slender plinth]

although not having to take that uhhh
+40 dodge recovery node is a buff to me

[livid raven]

oh and fixed chem dependency and stimsupply

[slender plinth]

because i can now get that +15 percent melee damage 🙏

[iron patrol]

dude that thing fucks what are you on about

[slender plinth]

don't call me dude
and also eh i don't vibe with it

[livid raven]

but this could be a buff since now you don't have to take the threat talent in the first part of the tree

[spice cloud]

I think shivs got a buff too tho thats insane

[slender plinth]

TRUE
Shivs got a buff which is weird

i felt like they were pretty good?

[livid raven]

yeah, shivs had this lame deadzone on the sides

[slender plinth]

but ig i haven't gotten my melee build to auric yet

[spice cloud]

I guess thats allright i didnt mind taht either way

[iron patrol]

you can infinitely dodge faster than the actual dodge effects run out timer with the extended dodge effectiveness talent that was literally above it, just free gun immunity while engaged in melee

[slender plinth]

huh damn that's actually pretty good

ig i just didn't notice it since it's a more background thing

[spice cloud]

So they did actually buff the class

[iron patrol]

or you ran too much to go below 75% stamina

[spice cloud]

Its bleak

[neon fern]

technically ye

[livid raven]

no talent was buffed

[spice cloud]

I think the shivs where super strong allreaey tbh

[robust sable]

Hitbox buffs are always welcome tbh

[slender plinth]

true!

[slender plinth]

fairing

[neon fern]

i don't know why they gave shivs more first target dmgh

[livid raven]

shivs were strong but this is mostly a QoL change

[maiden heart]

shivs were my fave, but the cleaver is also pretty neat

[spice cloud]

I think its fair for the shivs to have a small hitbox

[maiden heart]

still cant vibe the crowbar

[slender plinth]

depends on how much they increased the damage ig

[spice cloud]

Its not like the blade is super long

[neon fern]

not by much but still

not needed

[livid raven]

the hitbox was deceptive

[slender plinth]

crowbar in my head is a defensive weapon like the sshovel

[robust sable]

On the light attacks specifically; they were pretty bad on the lights - now you should more easily one shot headshot a Poxwalker without Hyper Critical iirc.
The heavies were untouched for damage.

[frigid adder]

Oi, how do the early morning crackheads like the changes?

[slender plinth]

you have very nice defensives

[neon fern]

they were p fine

[iron patrol]

they re-ordered the shit, it DOES let me shave off 2 extra talent points from my usual build to put towards something else so i did receive a buff by technicality

[neon fern]

even the lights

[slender plinth]

real

[spice cloud]

Shiv buff was really unnecessary

[livid raven]

the lights were fine when they hit, but the deadzone was just stupid

[spice cloud]

Buff the crowbar instead

[leaden lark]

What's the difference between marks and special modes of the needle pistol?

[spice cloud]

Or bonesaw

[slender plinth]

i didn't notice problems on the lights myself they were blending when i expected them to

[robust sable]

You were left short of the Poxwalker headshot one shot breakpoint on certain builds without Hyper Critical.
This is a welcome change for the sake of chaff.

[neon fern]

alt fire diff, 1st mark staggers and the other spreads the tox to nearby enemies

[slender plinth]

mk 2 applies a stack of chem in an aoe on target death
mk VII uhhhhhh
Just makes them explode on death

[spice cloud]

I was just blending homie idk what yall mean

[iron patrol]

you ever watched a shiv scum butterfly circle a regular shooter without hitting like some kark ass matrix movie?

[slender plinth]

mk2 is generally considered better afaik

[spice cloud]

The shivs where too crazy allready

[zenith fern]

These new talent swaps gonna give me muscle memory so bad

[frigid adder]

I need the bonesaw to be light attack spammy

[leaden lark]

I'm gonna trust the colored dude

[slender plinth]

also yeah this is for the alt fire

main fire is unchanged

[spice cloud]

It is its just ass

[livid raven]

no, i had to do the matrix moves with 0 melee investment shiv

[slender plinth]

bonesaw does feel a bit weak tbh 😔

[leaden lark]

bonesaw is really good idk what you're smoking

[frigid adder]

I know, I mean I don't want it to feel like ass on a light attack build

[spice cloud]

Horrible moveset and heavys

[neon fern]

that was okay i think

[leaden lark]

are you high?

[slender plinth]

i don't see it it just doesn't feel like it does much

[spice cloud]

Usually

[leaden lark]

It has a great moveset

[neon fern]

u don't need to be able to proc everything without investement

[spice cloud]

But mot rn im at work

[pearl flame]

I don't like the saw commit rip, that's about it

[spice cloud]

Horrible and also horrible blessings

[tender forge]

so hyper critical fixed?

[neon fern]

yes

[spice cloud]

The heavys are soooooo slow

[tender forge]

yey

[spice cloud]

Its painfull

[livid raven]

shock and awe is like

[neon fern]

hyper and precision interaction fixed

[iron patrol]

now its consistent in hitting instead of missing shit half the time

[pearl flame]

presumably, bet it's still borked with haymaker

[tender forge]

though it still screws with sample collector right?

[livid raven]

maybe the best cleave blessing in the game

but i agree otherwise

[unreal stirrup]

bone saw enjoyer when they see shock and awe

(toxin dot doesn't proc it)

also holy shit suck massive fucking ass flak adm

[leaden lark]

wrong

moveset is great

[frigid adder]

I do wish toxin interacted with more effects

[iron patrol]

AND they gave the scums a tetanus shot so the rusty shit no longer locks my muscles in a block animation? fuck yeah

[leaden lark]

has 3 good blessings

[unreal stirrup]

moveset is fine

[leaden lark]

what else do you need

[unreal stirrup]

everything else isn't

slow attack speed

[robust sable]

Nah, I think the shivs killing 1 Poxwalker on headshot with the lights and then dealing little else beyond that is fine.
It's the bare minimum, but you also lose this breakpoint on Havoc without investment; this is healthy for the game imo.

Hyper Critical remains relevant for Bruisers 'n' Elites on Auric, and gains further benefit vs chaff in Havoc.

[unreal stirrup]

EXTREMELY bad flak adm

[livid raven]

and just makes you rather slow

[iron patrol]

build attack speed

[unreal stirrup]

bad damage on the lights

[night blaze]

You lot tried the DC sword on rampage?

[unreal stirrup]

and yeah it slow

[spice cloud]

Well the moveset is preference i suppose i just dont like it

[livid raven]

i dunno why it's like a heavy weapon

it's just a cleaver

it's not heavy

[spice cloud]

But overall the weapon is ass imo

[unreal stirrup]

rampage + stim + stamina attack speed is still slow

that how bad it is

[frigid adder]

I just wish the light attacks did more damage by a little bit

[iron patrol]

the chem fumes coming off it makes scum sluggish

[livid raven]

so true

[iron patrol]

its like huffing gas

[night blaze]

It's unwieldy. That's the problem with it. You're using what is essentially a hunk of metal with horrible weight imbalances. That and the fumes probably do something to your character

[livid raven]

i mean ok

[dim moth]

fucking 67% percent overall crit chance on a mission lmao

[livid raven]

doesn't mean you have to run slowly because of that

[slender plinth]

Now that I've played more hive scum needle pistol feels less oppressive
Uzis are where it's at

[night blaze]

You're talking about run speed? I thought you were doing attack speed mb gng

[dim moth]

chem dependency+crit stimm and having 100% crit chance for the majority of the mission

[livid raven]

you also gain a stack when an ally gives out their stimm supply now right?

[iron patrol]

nah

[ruby marsh]

Who would've thought they would reorganize the terribly spread together talents?

[pearl flame]

according to patch notes it's on entering any as long as it's loaded with stim

[iron patrol]

no way right?

[tender forge]

oh these nodes makes a scum way easier to make

[livid raven]

the patch notes makes it sound like any supply will do it

[iron patrol]

that encourages 4 scum stacks

surely not

[tender forge]

ris but a scratch is now a required skill

[neon fern]

u get burst and scratch in the middle

[dim moth]

stimm supply already stacks btw

including with itself

[tender forge]

yeah

[neon fern]

which makes everything way easier

[tender forge]

means I can drop most of the triangle

[dim moth]

so if you have short enough cooldown during high density you can get doubled stimm effects

[iron patrol]

i know but dependancy stacking with others sounds more bonkers

[dim moth]

I mean dependency isn't hard to stack

[vast yoke]

it's crazy what 1 free point does on this class

[iron patrol]

imagine 3 max stimm scum and one dedicated 15 second stimm dependancy stacker

[tender forge]

I'm assuming hyper crit still does not count for blackouts

[dim moth]

completely unnecessary

stimm box starts your stimm cooldown instantly

[tender forge]

and sample collector

[dim moth]

dependency stacks last 60 seconds with 4 of them

[tender forge]

yeah you can run a dependency bot with a maxe dout stim

[dim moth]

and I have never had a stimm box with a longer cooldown than that

[dim moth]

it seemed to work for me

unless I was gaslighting myself

[tender forge]

oh?

[sleek grove]

it does now?

[dense hollow]

it already did before

[sleek grove]

Oh dear lord my box chem dependency build is gonna be juicy

[ruby token]

Class still needs some changes but now I see the vision

[drowsy nova]

does it give chem depend now?

[dim moth]

it always did

[dim moth]

yes

[compact oyster]

btw bionics are still bugged

[drowsy nova]

noice

[compact oyster]

they make scars clip into your face

[thin crag]

does quick and deadly also count towards melee or just ranged

[dim moth]

it's all damage within 12.5 meters

including DoT

[thin crag]

so it’s good to take

[dim moth]

yeah

[thin crag]

got it

[drowsy nova]

chem dependency with full concentration stim box+gun psyker=adderal psyker

[unreal stirrup]

hypercrit not proccing on kill is so bad

[amber sundial]

Chem dependency is still ability CDR main node right

[crisp needle]

Can blessed stim cure an entirely corrupted wound?

[amber sundial]

no

[crisp needle]

Damn

[dim moth]

fixed

[unreal stirrup]

SEX?

[winter tusk]

ok now the rocket is overtuned

[dim moth]

so it's now in line with the other 2 blitzes

excellent

[winter tusk]

playing enhanced blitz with 3 rocket users is a literal joke

[lusty lichen]

Hyper crit can 1 hit mauler with some weapons.

[livid raven]

i'm not sure increasing both the count and the radius was right

[dim moth]

a mauler please

think bigger

combat axe can one hit a crusher

[torpid cloud]

https://youtu.be/mt4oVJ6RaZ4

[livid raven]

but hey, at least it's good now

[torpid cloud]

Unc has delivered

[unreal stirrup]

yeah when it crit

[lusty lichen]

Rocket is a legit blitz now.

[unreal stirrup]

also is it just me or the tree still the same

[winter tusk]

i think they made the rockets adm 24 not 2.4

[unreal stirrup]

i thought they slightly move some talent

[lusty lichen]

You can actually delete the orgryn wall.

[livid raven]

they did

they swapped them

so your build is fucked

check the talents

[unreal stirrup]

damn

they didnt reset it

lmao

[livid raven]

this is going to fuck over so many people who didn't read the patchnote

[unreal stirrup]

actually the one time it would be good

[unreal stirrup]

burst of energy getting moved up is huge

[neon fern]

alongside tis but a scratch it's p huge yeah

[random shuttle]

hotfix broke the mods again XD

[neon fern]

now u get v easy acess to crucial toughness talents

[unreal stirrup]

also what the bug with nimble again

i was having too much fun flying around

[unreal stirrup]

scum still kinda squishy even with them so this is good for progression

cant fix skill issue though

[neon fern]

ppl who have trouble with the squishy should just run chem dep 4 stacks with the tdr

[dim moth]

it makes your MELEE dodge linger longer

not ranged

[unreal stirrup]

yeah ik

[dim moth]

dodge distance increase means dodge last shorter

it's easier for you to get shot

[unreal stirrup]

what with the tracking

yeah yeah but i fly off the stair and die

cant beat that

[dim moth]

I fly off the stairs and stab a heretic

or fly towards the guy shooting me and stab him

[torpid cloud]

So I recon with the shiv changes they may be better in a rampage build now

Gotta test that

[vast yoke]

what cartel special setup do yall run for stim supply

I beeline rending then dip my balls in atk speed and cdr

[rotund agate]

I go stun immunity with some bonus damage and DR

[tender forge]

cdr is useless on stimm supply

for you at least

assuming you pick practiced deplyment

[rotund agate]

cdr can potentially mean getting stimm supply earlier than the custom stimm

[vast yoke]

yeah thought so too, mostly for others but i might just do a 75s stim with atk speed and rend

[dim moth]

if I want shorter cooldown I only take 2 attack speeds for the 50% swap speed

[coarse sinew]

hi! can somebody tell me what is the best mk for the needle gun? thx!

[tender forge]

this is what I do

[vast yoke]

thank you handsome *smacks it and it jiggles*

[tender forge]

sample collector still beats out the cooldown

[drowsy relic]

Mk2

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-paw-annoyed-hiss-gif-16279788301067456967

[tender forge]

with chem dependency

[rotund obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/burnt-peanut-side-eye-the-burnt-peanut-gif-6339277251445282356

[tender forge]

you also can run the chem dependency setup

with a sub 30 seocnd stim

[unreal stirrup]

batterting momentum still doesnt show up on buff bar

[tender forge]

or the 15 second extravaganza

[dim moth]

All stimms are sub 30 seconds if you aren't a coward

[vast yoke]

im thinking of trying out chem dependency setup on a chaxe build but eh idk idc im ari

[tender forge]

75 seconbds being ybder 30 seconds requires a large enough horde

[coarse sinew]

the aoe one? i cannot seem the pros of the other one then

[vast yoke]

one has a special attack that does something the other has a special attack that does nothing, thanks fatshark

[drowsy relic]

Mk4 is explosion on blue
Mk2 is poison on blue

Poison is better

[fleet estuary]

I did this too but with different colors so its easier to read lol

[vast yoke]

AriGPT generate me a joke about the needle pistol
GENERATING COLE SLANDER: PROBABLY WASN'T PLAYTESTED PROPERLY BECAUSE... TACTICAL AXE

[lapis raft]

surely this cant be as bad as it looks right :d

[vast yoke]

i bet you like colouring books too haha nerd (ty this is a good image I'll show my friends)

[unreal stirrup]

can someone test if battering momentum only work with actual cleave and doesnt count cleave added by talent and blessing?

[rotund agate]

btw, which would be better for a chem dependency Rashad build: pocket tox with blinders, or coated weapon (and no, I cannot afford both)?

[unreal stirrup]

since it doesnt proc on mk6 h1 + h2

and im broke as fuck

same for taxe

[vast yoke]

you could just run another blitz. atm all 3 are good

[pearl ore]

I need a point, is nimble still broken?

[vast yoke]

afaik never was

it was just misinformed slander

[rotund agate]

I want chem application as bonus damage, though.

[idle ore]

Mk7, it procs more on weakspot and crit

[pearl ore]

boo

[idle ore]

And the blue mode kinda mid for both

[winter galleon]

Nimble not broken just doesnt work way people think

[vast yoke]

it will do very little on rashad tbf but you do you boo

[pearl ore]

vulture's push it is

[winter galleon]

Its faster so range dodge is shortened while melee is better

[fleet estuary]

I do like coloring books

[vast yoke]

i think in practice range dodge is basically the same as without Nimble (just different) but melee dodge is massively improved

either way dodge slide more ig

[mossy tapir]

just wanna make sure i'm not fucking myself here, i was under the assumption that voice of tertium didnt work with the needler/chem tox kills, is this true?

[vast yoke]

that's really nice im proud of you

[vast yoke]

what's wrong with fucking yourself time to time

[mossy tapir]

time and a place, usually

[rotund agate]

I like having a DoT for if big stuff doesn't die quickly enough to Rashad heavies...

[unreal stirrup]

does long lasting affect fast acting stim

[vast yoke]

tbf this will realistically only affect monsters and marginally so

[lavish forge]

How do ppl feel about missile launcher now

[vast yoke]

it's a room sized krak

[lavish forge]

Space marine asses:

[vast yoke]

pretty good on some builds

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slow-reaction-gif-24865416

[lapis raft]

depends if you are running needler or not

if you are running needler then coated is pretty good for refreshing it

[rotund agate]

am not, I like dual non-auto-pistols more...

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/castorice-powercreep-hsr-castorice-hsr-dragon-gif-8292897753528429760

[dim moth]

no

[unreal stirrup]

h40 crusher

[radiant cosmos]

nice static image

[compact oyster]

look at his inhuman reaction time

[lapis raft]

then wouldnt bother with coating its not gonna do much

[unreal stirrup]

shitty ah connection

anyway it good

[vast yoke]

honestly impressive, shame it loses one shot here but considering how disgustingly tanky they are im more surprised it's not a 3 shot

[exotic oxide]

Added a unique Inspect pose for the Hive Scum.
What did they meant with this?

[rotund agate]

ok, I guess I want blinders for gunner or crusher group staggers anyways, so might as well take some DoT with it.

[winter galleon]

Is the rocket launcher actually good now or is it just “see buffs, feels like its good” that has people hyping it?

[novel oracle]

this is what i mean when i say i have cat like reflexes

[winter tusk]

its probably overtuned

[unreal stirrup]

the aoe damage range is doubled

the damage is increased by a quarter

[radiant cosmos]

It's an Ogryn nade now

[unreal stirrup]

also see video above

[vast yoke]

video courtesy of Gun Veteran Enjoyer (it also gets +1 charges)

[unreal stirrup]

ogryn nade who

[tender forge]

oh it could kill whole crusher packs now

[vast yoke]

it's a room sized krak explosion, very nice on some builds

[unreal stirrup]

yeah

[winter tusk]

i have a duelling sword plasma gun vet in my game

[winter galleon]

So i can live out my dream of a crackhead with a missile launcher after all

Just like real life

[unreal stirrup]

duelling sword is not even that good but ok

[winter tusk]

its still one of the strongest weapons

huh

[maiden heart]

duelling s word 👎

[vast yoke]

been enjoying it more on martyrdom zealot just spamming it vs hordes like if i was Rapier Zealot in VT2

mk1 shovel vet chads rise up

[hasty torrent]

The combat blade is hive scums dueling sword

[winter tusk]

ds is still more broken probably

[main trellis]

Ladies & Gentlemen; did you know that;

1. Vultures Push works on every enemy exept bosses, mutants & crushers AND it applies 1 burn DoT stack?
2. 'Sticky Hands' talent DOES NOT work for Boom Bringers weapon ready & stow speed upon firing BUT ATTACK SPEED PATH for the cartel stimm that increases WEAPON SWAP SPEED (which is the same, atleast in wording, for 'Sticky Hands') DOES make your Boom Bringer ready faster & stow faster upon firing (aka not locking you in that drop the mic animation)?
3. 'Toxic Mania' stacks only to 3 BUT the UI WILL TRACK MORE THAN THAT (tested on 20 enemies; you get 20 stacks but the dmg does not increase)?
   The more you know folks! Now go spread some toxins & bullets

[lavish forge]

I cant play dt rn can someone send me videos of it in action

[warped grove]

Damn, Hive Scum is sitting at “Mostly Negative” on steam rn

[vast yoke]

scroll up a tiny bit

[lavish forge]

Ty twin

Ppreciate u

[torpid cloud]

so is hyper critical a valid pick on melee scum rn

[lavish forge]

Awawawawawawawawawaaaaa

Ommmmgggfgggg

[lavish forge]

Cause bug i think

[vast yoke]

tbh the lvl 1-20 experience was absolutely dogshit before the talent reshuffle, for a lot of players getting to lvl 20 takes a while

[warped grove]

Most of the reviews are the same
“Not enough content”
“Unrelated bugs to the class”
“Boring gameplay”
“Glass canon but only glass”

Ive been having fun with it, but the class definitely is meant to be used by more skilled players

[lavish forge]

Boring gameplay is kinda valid cause thats subjective bit the rest is just not good

[lavish forge]

I'm not particularly skilled but I make it work

[rotund agate]

same here

[vast yoke]

the steam discussions being littered with insane takes too such as "all the new guns and melee are bad"

[lavish forge]

Yeah its kinda hard but its also like

[warped grove]

The humble infinite mac 10s:

[lavish forge]

Idk if its too hard for you then go on a lower difficulty theres no shame in that

[robust sable]

THANK YOU

[compact oyster]

i want my chainglaive

[robust sable]

SOMEONE ELSE GETS IT

[real dew]

[robust sable]

[vast yoke]

hi

[jaunty spire]

Agreed. If you don't have the game fundamentals down, you'll have a rough time with hive scum

[warped grove]

Totally

[shut tapir]

what that build be dawg

[warped grove]

Thats another peoples issues, class is “too hard for the payoff you get”

[lavish forge]

Curious what this means? Is it just dodging and stuff? Never heard it before scum ngl

[unreal stirrup]

it just the boom bringer by itself

[warped grove]

use desperado for one game and tell me it doesnt do enough

[real dew]

dodging, fighting, basic mechanics

[vast yoke]

box cutter bleed/tox build makes my thingy grow

[jaunty spire]

Pretty much. Know how to feel when to dodge vs push, slide to avoid getting shot, know how to move around while you do crowd control, etc

[warped grove]

Arbi is designed to be tanky and sponge up hits, where as Scum is one of (next to Psyk and Vet) which relies more on dodging (maybe not as much with Vet cuz GT)

So, people going from not really needing dodges to dodges being essential can be rough

[vast yoke]

I've stopped dying as much on Scum lately because I learned how to dodge slide

[unique dagger]

uhh vultures push doesn't apply a burn dot tho, i think that might be rocket backblast doing that for you lol

also the second one, attack speed is why you are shooting faster, the wield speed increase from the talent makes your pull out animation faster (the initial getting ready to charge part) so it technically works

third one: lol idk ui bs probably

[jaunty spire]

Arbi can get really tanky and unfortunately can encourage bad habits when translated to other classes

[lavish forge]

Im a vet main personally and I've always preferred funny dodgy vet over screaming gold toughness vet personally

[compact oyster]

luv me shartbites

[lavish forge]

So ig the transition was just kinda simpler for me

[jaunty spire]

What do you mean you don't like to PUT THE KARKING BOOT IN

[main trellis]

no; tested if while being outside of radius of the BB
AS FOR WEAPON SWAP SPD; ye i stated it its the weapon swap speed but sticky hands does not work for BB

[warped grove]

cough Smyker cough

[jaunty spire]

Yeah that too

[lavish forge]

No i love it! Its just i like BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM

[unique dagger]

i amm actively testing it and it does make wielding it faster

[warped grove]

Tanner himself left a bad review on the class

[unique dagger]

are you sure you are resetting the loadout?

[warped grove]

Which I feel probably also impacted how many there were

[main trellis]

yup

[warped grove]

indirectly

[zenith pagoda]

They made the stim talents work for box but not extended box

[frail beacon]

Am I bugging or are stam curios broken

[lavish forge]

Also reconlas green edition (not the super fast one) + exec stance is good

[main wagon]

Only 410+ are real +3's

Or do you mean all of them in general?

[frail beacon]

All of them

[alpine hazel]

Chemical dependency is still mid with stimm crate since CDR is useless

[frail beacon]

they're not adding any stam

[main wagon]

???

[main trellis]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11594532420072578588/D527340174DAF5453767DF5C6EE2B99663E5A9E1/

[vast yoke]

i still prefer blue one with inferno dumdum and 5% crit cus I'm a lazy piece of shit

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-secret-lab-yzma-emperors-new-groove-gif-5071829

[lapis raft]

extended? the lingering one?

[lapis raft]

wtf why

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah

Doesn't work for lingering

The duration or the corruption cleanse

[lavish forge]

It doesnt mesh well with exec stance bc the per hit damage is so comparatively small ime

[main wagon]

Working for me

[lavish forge]

And the spread is so wide

[unique dagger]

remove the vultures dodge and try the exact same setup again

[lapis raft]

small indie game company unlucky

[vast yoke]

yeah i run it with voc because im a stupid gross bug

[dim moth]

does this penance have to be your toughness?

[frail beacon]

w 0 curios vs w 2 +2 max stam curios

[lavish forge]

No thats valid

[dim moth]

or does it simply not count the instant toughness restore

[vast yoke]

aww that's so cute

[frail beacon]

No im saying the max stam curios aren't adding stam

the bar should be getting bigger

[vast yoke]

check your game settings and untick divide stamina bar in 25% bars or whatever

[real dew]

Chem dep+box is working for extended box

[frail beacon]

ic ic

[real dew]

I literally just tested it

[frail beacon]

That was it thx

[lavish forge]

I love the faster with stamina thing

I long for the day I can get 3 +3 stam curios

[vast yoke]

np i had the same reaction weeks ago too lmao

that's why I was saying aww

[lapis raft]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-ill-die-gif-9704573

[lavish forge]

SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK

[main trellis]

i see it; thx for correcting; very weird that it works like that

[unique dagger]

np it is just weird interaction

[winter galleon]

so with hypercritical fixed do we skip ammo jack?

[wind crane]

whats dump stat on shivs? mobility?

[patent dock]

Thank you hotfix

[main trellis]

as for the sticky hands; there is MAYBE a minor difference but... its barely noticable for 40% so it might be bugged

[main trellis]

cause without sticky hands and upon using cartel stimm for 50% weapon swap i do not finish the animation of dropping the BB while also readying it faster

[main trellis]

so no; sticky hands does not work either through wording or code error

[unique dagger]

I think the wield speed + attack speed increase is making it feel much faster, as swap speed on rocket launcher is a small part of total animation

[main wagon]

I miss free sticky hands

[main trellis]

INB4 The entire animation of dropping the BB is an attack

and gets sped up

[split lagoon]

Have anyone tried the tox no-keystones build? Is it worth?

[unique dagger]

you can test that part easily by trying max attack speed and shooting, and shooting it after the stimm wears off

[winter tusk]

my hands are always sticky anyway

[main trellis]

can't really test it cause every att spd is for melee

[winter tusk]

attack speed should cover ranged too unless its specified melee only

[unique dagger]

the stimms should be global

tree is fully melee I think

let me check

[zenith fern]

Now starting to think that RPG is overtuned but so funny destroying a whole armor pack

[unique dagger]

yeah the tree is only melee attack speed lol

[winter tusk]

its overtuned

[neat dagger]

not sure if this is the best place to ask, i need help on deciding on 3 talent points. if they are worth it.
Im going for a hyper-violence & hyper-critical build. I have to pick 2 out of the 3 nodes.

1. Quick & Deadly - 15% Closed Ranged Damage on Dodge for 3s
2. Battering Strikes - Melee Kills grants +10% Cleave for 5s. Stacks 5 times
3. Coated Weaponry - Melee Critical Strikes infect enemies with 1 Chem Toxin

[unique dagger]

the only global attack speed is the stimm in the kit

[winter tusk]

had a guy delete like 5 crushers with a gunner squad and a bunch of ragers earlier

like bruh

[neat dagger]

melee weapon are the shivs - not sure if cleave does anything for it since the range is so small

[wind crane]

what blessings do u guys take on needle pistol?

[neat dagger]

and coated weaponry seems like it'll lower the ttk? edit: and its free dmg?

[unique dagger]

go battering if this is the choice you need to take, are you going for crit shivs?

[near vapor]

mark 6 (explosive stagger) vs mark 2 (chem spread) needle pistol

[random shuttle]

Hush

Don't speak such things

[neat dagger]

shiv have the 20% crit blessing but not the 5% crit perk

[random shuttle]

not overtuned

perfectly fine

[tired prairie]

Run and Gun (or Desperado), and Stripped Down

[random shuttle]

ZOOKA life 5ever

[near vapor]

run n gun & stripped down

[main wagon]

Gloriana.mp4

[unique dagger]

that's fine, if its a rampage build I'd find points for both crit toxin and battering

I can send you my preferred build

[dim moth]

it being overtuned makes it equivalent to the other two blitzes

so it works out

[main trellis]

ye but the very first node for att spd gives you weapon swap spd already

[random shuttle]

I love the new zooker

[neat dagger]

how about quick and deadly? since its now 'moved up'. yes, please, would love a reference

[random shuttle]

it finally feels like "I really don't wanna deal with this blob of enemies. Goodbye."

[unique dagger]

yea IK, hard to test because of that but you gotta trust me with this then

[winter galleon]

only issue really is the increase to 3, i feel with the buff leaving it at 2 prob was right call

[tired prairie]

Ogryn frag bomb stock has plummeted though; not like it was great in general, since some time now

[unique dagger]

the initial pulling up to start shooting moment gets influenced by wield speed, the rest is on attack speed

[placid drum]

Don't forget the time it takes to pull out and fire the boom bringer and travel time

[fast wind]

I already liked it the most so this is a big win

[unique dagger]

let me quickly go through a build ediyor

[main trellis]

OK CONFIRMED;
WEAPON SWAP SPEED WORKS ONLY FOR READY SPEED
THE ENTIRE ANIMATION OF DROPPING THE BB IS AN ATTACK

[lusty lichen]

3 is ok, it doesn't have regen and the blast is not as huge as frag grenade to safely save people sometimes.

[neat dagger]

thanks fam

[torpid cloud]

hmm
do i have to reinstall my stimm ui mod
doesnt seem to work rn

[slender plinth]

is hyper critical fixed?

[winter tusk]

hotfix just came through a couple hours ago

[keen timber]

stim ui mod?

[neat dagger]

yess its fixed

[keen timber]

does it remove the uh

[slender plinth]

thanks

[unique dagger]

btw

[keen timber]

awful visual distortion

[unique dagger]

if you are going for a hyper critical build with shivs, dont go with flashbangs

[placid drum]

But still might take blinders still over boom bringer due to utility and regen

[winter galleon]

all mods are not working for me right now, i think the mod loader needs updated

[slender plinth]

time to find space for it on the critbuild
Wait why

[unique dagger]

because insta kills wont count for your flashbang close range kills

[slender plinth]

do they break them or do they just not contribute

ah i see

[main trellis]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11884943721852394706/C14342D73B2D1F41B5B7B384394C54FF6795495B/

[slender plinth]

but it doesn't completely break the counting or anything, right?

[calm aurora]

does lethal prox work with the bazooka?

[main trellis]

OFC

its an explosion

14m radius

or smth

[keen timber]

doesn't break it, but ur gonna be waiting WAY longer per nade. not worth it.

[placid drum]

Also stim supply builds are gonna be even better now heck yea

[last marsh]

hive scum fixes, lets gooo

[main trellis]

hard to test cause enemies get flinged

[last marsh]

they fixed the stim box

life is good

[slender plinth]

🫡 i guess i underestimated how often it procs
time to rebuild my melee char

[pearl ore]

someone needs to make a squad of the stim rangers, with every person maxing a different combination

[last marsh]

cant wait to finally play hyper-critical with it being fixed

[keen timber]

imo melee doesn't even really need hypercrit

[last marsh]

oh

😔

my hopes, shattered. my balls, crushed.

[dim moth]

fixed it for literally everythin except the blinders

very sad

[slender plinth]

i mean doesn't need it, but if you're critting constantly is it not a buff?

[pearl ore]

hive scum come in 4 colors too!

[keen timber]

it's saving you a single swing at most potentially

really

[last marsh]

which gang would bring which buffs, though

[shut tapir]

what build; pathway are boozka chads using?

[slender plinth]

side note you are completely right that thing fucks mb

[pearl ore]

ooo good question

[unique dagger]

yeah you can kinda tell what's going on in that clip

solid clip tho

[pearl ore]

iron riders have to have the movement speed buff right?

[slender plinth]

hmmm
True
but one swing less being needed on some stuff adds up a lot
and it's only one talent node

[dim moth]

"potentially" as if I don't have 100% crit chance

[last marsh]

raiders with melee, tread lightlies with movement, cartel with attack speed.

[keen timber]

it's not saving it on chaff, since with all the buffs you're gonna be oneshotting them with a good melee weapon

and you've got elites maybe

[last marsh]

showtime or whatever with attack buff

maybe swap showtime and cartel

[keen timber]

a combat axe could easily oneshot most specials

[slender plinth]

ughhh but i still need to finish my blinder

[main trellis]

Kinda

You slimy bastard
but thx; another discovery up in my book

[shadow umbra]

Im being honest I dont want specific cartels to give certain buffs because then it forces you to chose a specific cartel

[dim moth]

chaff will be cleaved by crits and die

[pearl ore]

nono

[slender plinth]

but you won't be oneshotting everything you cleave necessarily

[shadow umbra]

Anyways, how is the new boom bringer

[slender plinth]

yeah what Gun Veteran said

[pearl ore]

I want 4 scum to run the stimm rangers

[last marsh]

no its just for the meme of all scum all chem box

[plucky girder]

darktide made talent tree changes without resetting all my trees???

guh???????

[compact oyster]

Remove trappers and hounds from the game until the audio issues are fixed

[pearl ore]

all with different stimm packs and dependant

[keen timber]

they're broken again?

[last marsh]

hasnt this game always had audio issues lol.

[pearl ore]

I want the coked out ginyu force

[main trellis]

its like sex but always available

[plucky girder]

there are audio issues with hounds?

[dim moth]

yeah seems like that change that let you de select blitzes, auras, and abilities specifically reworked the way talent trees are handled

[compact oyster]

Completely silent hounds and bursters

[dim moth]

The UX improvement mod for them also lets you just deselect anything now

and is much less laggy

[shadow umbra]

EW SEX

[last marsh]

and trappers.

[plucky girder]

fym always available

[pearl ore]

the problem is

do you do a team of 4

[dim moth]

So they may not ever have to reset trees

[plucky girder]

where are u getting grenades from twin

[pearl ore]

or a team of 3 in quickplay

[lapis raft]

you can technically deselect anything with base tree now as well. just unselect blitz or aura first

[main trellis]

you find them

[lapis raft]

then you can do wahtever you want to the tree and it lets you :d

[plucky girder]

they get eaten by my teammates

[last marsh]

walmart.

[pearl ore]

so some random vet or whatever finds him self guest staring on atoman super sentai

[plucky girder]

and promptly fired at poxwalkers

[pearl ore]

scum rangers feels like something you need to show people

[zenith fern]

bunch of whingers these "players"

[last marsh]

i believe in it

[slender plinth]

okay i'm starting to realize i can't get hyper critical on my current build 😔
i gotta get all the 'main' dodge/slide talents and go right for the toxins and get pickpocket and we're just

out of points

rip

[pearl ore]

I live for this shit, show me your board

[keen timber]

i really dont think you need pickpocket too

[slender plinth]

how do you zoom out?

[keen timber]

idk, maybe it's just me but on melee setups i rarely use trhat much ammo

[real dew]

Irony is they probably should have done a reset this time

[edgy saddle]

What blessing have yall been running in your crow bar im using bssh superiority buy i feel badh is kinda not need

[pearl ore]

I dont think you can

[dim moth]

drop pickpocket and use your melee weapon

[slender plinth]

ehhhH
I feel like i'm always whipping the 1911s out for specials

[dim moth]

easy decision to make

[placid drum]

Feel like with the rampage builds you don't really need hyper critical due to all the raw melee damage buffs

[keen timber]

sure, but ur not using THAT much ammo

[slender plinth]

hive scum is too fragile to go that all in imo

[keen timber]

u can easily sustain that without pickpocket

[keen timber]

not even slightly melee scum is bulky af

[pearl ore]

if you're running desparado you can stretch your ammo pretty far without pickpocket

[keen timber]

ranged scum is squishy

melee isnt

[pearl ore]

its just with pickpocket you cant run out

[edgy saddle]

Tbh i never feel a lack of ammo on this class its easy to just use pick pocket with the uzis to pick up all the light elites you can go for a long while

[pearl ore]

so you'd have to be more aware of it

[dim moth]

has it occured to you that dead enemies have their dmage reduced by 100%

[slender plinth]

so you want partial screenshots? 🤔
i uh
don't think i can send a screenshot her elskdjflsjldfs

[slender plinth]

hmmm
this is fair

[edgy saddle]

Huh I felt the opposite tbh invulnerable on crit felt really nice tbh

[pearl ore]

like when you need a few more points for cigs on psyker so you start taking off peril safeties

[slender plinth]

maybe if i run the gunslinger uhhh
keystone thing on my hive scum

[zenith fern]

Me literally just face planting agaisnt bulwarks, reapers and bunch of dreg gunners far away and killing all ogryns with rampage shivs without barely taking any health damage

[keen timber]

i mean yeah that's immortality, but you're pretty squishy when ur not totally damage immune

[slender plinth]

but i want to run ruffian on it

[pearl ore]

and then a month later they find you in a meth lab

[placid drum]

I always run far left aura for the team. More pew pew is good