hivescum-class

[fleet lantern]

A+ name, btw.

[near vapor]

I would rate chem dependency the same way I rate Vet's tag keystone: uninteresting to use

[eager otter]

do scoreboard be working properly rn? been using powerDI since it worked on launch

[whole marten]

even with 100% uptime with vultures mark, the stats you get arent that amazing

[near vapor]

I like adrenaline frenzy

[winter tusk]

Adrenaline is bae

[hot moth]

for one node?

most despacito builds are already taking unload purely for the damage

[random shuttle]

Hotfixed Scoreboard + latest Ovenproof plugin works like a charm

[mighty belfry]

Adrenaline is really good when you can keep it going.

[hot moth]

then it's one more node for vulture's

[eager otter]

you dont get 15% ranged damage from the other nodes, or invincibility

[hot moth]

15% more ranged damage, 15% crit and movespeed

[placid drum]

I feel like chem dependency is good for a melee/range mix like stim stuff but if your normally ever going into desperado or rampage you might wanna just pick up their respective keystones to focus on that playstyle

[hot moth]

the 15% movespeed alone lets you get away with murder

[twilit tide]

I have played whole missions with 0 melee, only ranged holding left click in regular auric. it is quite funny

[whole marten]

you dont get invincibility unless you spend another point in the node ,and if you're using desperado you already have ranged immunity

[near vapor]

I play auric/havoc so like uptime on adrenaline and vulture isnt a problem when Im constantly bombarded with them

[eager otter]

but i wanted to be invincible squared

[placid drum]

Auto correct the bane of my phone

[hot moth]

or, hear me out

[barren thorn]

the 15% toughness regen for teams at max stack is also pretty nice

[hot moth]

you take vulture's dodge and now you don't need to use desperado for ranged immunity

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[random shuttle]

I don't understand why people bash on Vulture. 15% DMG, CRIT and Movement speed with like 90% uptime is great.

[winter tusk]

Man this gets a lot of use

[whole marten]

it's also based on crit chance

[hot moth]

you can use desperado PURELY for movespeed and magdumping bosses

[eager otter]

with dual smgs you get perma invincibility while firing

[hot moth]

my brother in christ do you have no idea how much crit shredder autopistol gets

[random shuttle]

Not to mention getting 15% toughness back on every kill major is great sustain

[mighty belfry]

It's really good. That being said I like that this class even barring shit like that, can actually still hold its own

[placid drum]

Yea and if your already going desperado its a sorta no brainer unless you dont feel like you can keep up with keeping those stacks high which is alright

[hot moth]

you mathematically will not drop your invuln until you reload

[eager otter]

in conclusiong vultures mark is great

[mighty belfry]

This class really doesn't need a keystone if you're building that way.

And I like that.

[twilit tide]

I didn't use a keystone for my stim pack build

[dense hollow]

to get chem dependancy you're forced into 3 extra talent nodes that have situational usefulness depending on your blitz on a desperado build

vulture's is right next to everything you want for a desperado build

[winter tusk]

This class is hard to use therefore bad, negative review

[balmy radish]

how good are the aoe shivs by dedicated meele build

[near vapor]

good

I would say great

[random shuttle]

My crit rate through the mission was 51%. Means every second shot was a crit. With any gun used for despacito that means having a crit every second easy 😄

[spice cloud]

I really love all the arby mains malding its great

[twilit tide]

I think I eventually transitioned into an adrenaline keystone build but still focusing on stim supply and chem damage

[digital mango]

I also like Men made of straw

[hot moth]

i think a lot of it is that builds that look like they should work/synergize turn out to be piles of nodes that either don't synergize or actively anti-synergize

[lapis raft]

im using them over mk1 they are pretty nice, have slightly faster attacks

[balmy radish]

how compared to mk 6 combat knife or the single target shivs?

[hot moth]

lots of people are getting baited by the chem-related nodes stepping on each other's feet

[analog hazel]

finally
I have completed every scum penance except for 75/100 missions and as a result of those the last master of war

[warm cypress]

Anyone else seen monstrosities doing the fucking jiggy on geometry or after grabbing someone? Twice yesterday I caught them doing a ballerina twirl before throwing someone

[spice cloud]

Nope its actually just a skill issue

[hot moth]

despacito scum is great
rampage scum is usable
And I'm sad for everyone trying to be the master drug dealer

[analog hazel]

I think I enjoy playing this class quite a lot

[lapis raft]

mk 6 knife has tad worse clear but way better single target

with push attack

its not close either i dont think

[whole marten]

makes sense why he's glazing vultures now

[winter tusk]

Man I remember when I was practicing psyker pre-rework, and I was only used to vet, zealot and ogryn lmao. I just got good, after dying a fuckload

[lapis raft]

but you have needler for single target on melee scum

[placid drum]

Rampage scum is peek slayer/bezerker feel and that makes brain cells go brrr

[lapis raft]

so you dont rly need the extra from mk6 most of the time

[ashen hamlet]

I’d enjoy it more if I could find a melee weapon I like

[hot moth]

I mean, yes? Are you taking vulture's when NOT?!

[fleet lantern]

Oh hey, speaking of the Shredder, is collateral the dump stat for it?

[spice cloud]

Melee scum is arguably strongest

[ashen hamlet]

I hate any melee weapon that’s not Ogryn sized

[digital mango]

Ur name is familiar, didnu play blr?

[whole marten]

use other builds maybe

[random shuttle]

I love Meleescum

[hot moth]

I have no idea what BLR even is

[warm cypress]

Ranged scum is arguably the most fun though

[lapis raft]

but mk6 deals with crushers like way way better than both shivs, so if you are annoyed by those then mk6 is nice

[random shuttle]

Rampage is so goated in the sauce it make any weapon sing

[mighty belfry]

I was trying to see if I could make double barrel work with stim supply since, pickpocket is a thing and might as well

[digital mango]

Ironsight?

[balmy radish]

strikes you with rgs or fgs

[hot moth]

I have plenty

[mighty belfry]

It's quite fun actually

[twilit tide]

I dump mobility personally since staggering bulwarks is really nice

[hot moth]

still no recollection here

[analog hazel]

fair, I really like the shivs so that's what I ended up using 99% of the time and that's what my main build is built entirely around using

[near vapor]

both shiv marks have the same push attack > heavy combo.

The defining gauge for the two is really just the moveset you prefer. But I'd say both have evenly good ST DPS. But the cleave Shiv is just worse but not by a lot. Since you can still reliably spam push attack > heavies for single targets. Stacking crits on it is really good

[digital mango]

Hm might just be someone who had the same name i guess, sorry to bother u 😅

[ashen hamlet]

See, I like the shivs, but they’re not like a weapon I’d kill for

[fleet lantern]

I just wondered if you wanted to maintain the mobility because of how scum plays.

[random shuttle]

take Chainsword with Rampage and...

[ashen hamlet]

I’d love to use the chainaxe but hate revving

[lapis raft]

i would rather skip it as it gives me no dot damage sadge but stimm supply anti synergy is way too bad

[twilit tide]

you can three shot crushers on auric with st shivs, I don't think cleave shivs come close

[ashen hamlet]

Maybe I should just stick with Ogryn

[placid drum]

Yea honestly if you run rampage and slap on any maxed out melee weapon your good to go really

[balmy radish]

never tried push heavy chain used the mk1 for leveling then

[random shuttle]

No DOT Damage?

Take Shivs with Bleed + Chem tox on crit

[lapis raft]

yea the melee power do not gives damage for dots

[near vapor]

you can still reliably kill crushers by push attack > heavies

[winter tusk]

Only thing I dont like about rampage/melee scum in general is the fact that it makes weapons too viable. Now fatshark will never feel the need to buff half the weapons because scum would absolutely break them.

[fast gust]

Bleed knife meta again? Oh god

[novel oracle]

ive been named as the prime example of whats wrong with the testers

https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-award-winning-walking-gif-24664103

[fast gust]

[random shuttle]

Oh that, I don't care

everything dies anyway 😄

[near vapor]

ay who you pissed off

tannenberg?

[balmy radish]

crit bleed then right*

[random shuttle]

Bro Bleed+Tox shivs

are goated

on rampage build

absolute unhinged time

[placid drum]

If your going for a dot build for rampage its better to take the saw really due to the purple and green toxin stacks

[novel oracle]

apparently

[lapis raft]

well i do care because if stimm supply worked as written i could take it instead :d

[fast gust]

Oh god it's back
Bleed knife is back

[random shuttle]

and premiere boss busting

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-giga-chad-lego-giga-chad-meme-gif-26528700

[placid drum]

Can slap that purple on and boom your debuffing the boss insanely fast

[novel oracle]

too many mean words ig

[fast gust]

I'll bite as a shade enthuasiast because I'm lacking a shiv build

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/biff-back-to-the-future-bully-thinking-listening-gif-7204513

Biff tannenberg?

Shut up butthead

[balmy radish]

gonna try that with the mk3 shivs, though i take uncanny aswell

[novel oracle]

i will reform myself and be kinder and more wholesome in the future

[mighty belfry]

Soon, Cole will be the sweetest bean in the Darktide Official Discord Server

[winter tusk]

Heckin wholesome playtester-arino

[fast gust]

I quit the darktide community

[mighty belfry]

uwu

[near vapor]

a wholesome playtester?

in this community?

[near vapor]

I get it tho, yall gotta deal with the absolute worst every update

[random shuttle]

• Rampage build with Coated weapons

chef kiss

[novel oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1433711835118440488.webp?size=128&animated=true

[digital mango]

I think that is a good idea, it helps being nice in General when trying to help people or make a community more inviting to new people

[novel oracle]

i just hope everyone has a fun time!

[fast gust]

I disagree.

[novel oracle]

and remember to smile!

[fast gust]

Some people really should be bullied (by barrels)

[hot moth]

I'm flipflopping on bleed on crit

versus bleed on nonweakspot hit

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/harvelein-steamed-hams-chalmers-i-see-aha-gif-27317784

[hot moth]

because bulwarks

[winter tusk]

LOCALIZED ENTIRELY IN YOUR DISCORD?!

[random shuttle]

Cole why did you buff bursters?

[balmy radish]

idk why but i like the dual stub pistols

[placid drum]

For the shivs?

[young herald]

Don't lie, that was you

[dense hollow]

cole i can't believe you let scum come out of playtesting this underpowered..shame on you

[young herald]

We all know it

[novel oracle]

i did it to add challenge to the players who wanted it! so they can have a more fun experience!
thats what good testers do!

[fast gust]

It is clear Cole buffed the bursters and nerfed zealot

[balmy radish]

burster fix when?

[lapis raft]

bleed on non weakspot is compltely useless wouldnt grab it

[winter tusk]

Cole is the one causing all of my silent specialists

[hot moth]

bulwarks tho

[random shuttle]

true

big bleed on crit is great

[digital mango]

Like for example, the warframe community (though there's some cringe rules n stuff) is very welcoming to new players and is very wholesome in general, which makes more people stay in the community and help others aswell

[random shuttle]

because shivs 80% crit rate

[near vapor]

you came a long way aint it

[random shuttle]

lesgooo

[near vapor]

from relative unknown player to

the face of the playtester group

[lapis raft]

you are playing class with like the easiest access to crit

[placid drum]

Yea if its on shivs bleed on crit is always best pick instead of the bleed on body hit due to the shivs insane base crit chance

[fast gust]

Cole was always known since the start, I was there

[lapis raft]

also bulwarks get 2-3 tapped by needler

just gotta aim

[winter tusk]

A lot of people come to this game with assumptions that they know how things work, then dont like it when they get corrected

People hate being wrong

[mighty belfry]

you don't even have to do that

the toxin just goes through the damn shield

[random shuttle]

That is why I am always right.

[lapis raft]

ah even better xd

[winter tusk]

Same

I stay right because I just steal other people's builds

[lapis raft]

like the only thing that can be annoying with shivs is crushers rest is whatever ez

[balmy radish]

do we take crit chance perk on dot shivs?

[winter tusk]

If its wrong I can pass responsibility off

[lapis raft]

and crushers is just a bit of dodging

[random shuttle]

no need

[novel oracle]

no more nerfs! nerf is a negative word! and we arent about that debbie downer lifestyle! we need to be positive with buffs for everyone!

[random shuttle]

even without crit perk you can easily reach 80% crit

[digital mango]

Well yeah, ofcourse, but instead of aggroing on them it's better to show understanding and show them how things work in reality, makes for a better interaction and less hostile community

[random shuttle]

in my game with the dot shivs

I had 71% crit rate for whole mission

[winter tusk]

People usually are reasonably nice lol, but like I said people hate being wrong. People will fight with others who actually know the numbers

[balmy radish]

i gonna not take the dodge crit increase cause i want uncanny strike

[random shuttle]

CRITACULAR

[analog hazel]

riposte is a must have skill on the shivs it's so damn good

[lapis raft]

but also if i was not forcing dot build i would just drop bleed probably (ignore the crit/weakspot stats im calculating those incorrectly atm)

[near vapor]

I like riposte and precog

[winter tusk]

I use uncanny precog for shivs

[flat mist]

what mod is this?

[lapis raft]

one im working on atm

[digital mango]

And yes, some people can't be reasoned with, and that's a lost cause.. but then u should just figure that out urself and not get ragebaited by their lack of braincells

[flat mist]

i want

[near vapor]

UI reminds me of Reshade..

[random shuttle]

I am never ragebaited.

[lapis raft]

https://github.com/deathbeam/darktide-mods/tree/main/mods/KillStats very wip

[random shuttle]

WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY!? 💢

[near vapor]

ay

[digital mango]

Saame, I am on very good adhd meds, so I generally don't get angry and/or annoyed at anyone

[random shuttle]

and I am high...

On life, man.

Eating grass, touching squirrels

Druidmaxxing

Hobbitcore

[near vapor]

I remember Darcy tweaking out over you 💀

[random shuttle]

Smell the potatoes

[near vapor]

bizarre that a reply to me about you is what lead to her banning

[random shuttle]

The hilarious part was that I learned about Darcy hating me after they got banned

[balmy radish]

throws the two steam games at you

[random shuttle]

Never knew about them before.

[digital mango]

"Potatoes! Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew!"

[near vapor]

shouldve seen her tweaking out over the ogryn playtesters ruining the game beforehand

[balmy radish]

...talking guns and knifes...

[near vapor]

reading that shit LIVE was wild times

[random shuttle]

see how zen I am

I never knew

no clue what where they saying

[balmy radish]

idk why but imagine you shout everything

[random shuttle]

nah I am a plump soft mushy boy who loves mushrooms and bugs and frogs

A true MILF, me.

[digital mango]

Eh when I was in my early twenties I also had that type of thing, were I could tweak the fk out on weird stuff, but growing older, not being as chronically online and getting the meds I needed, helped alot

[analog hazel]

im torn between uncanny and flesh tearer on the shivs ngl

bleed is probably the "meta" choice and might be statistically better but I like having the extra damage from uncanny to fall back on especially against hordes where everything dies from the dot super fast anyways and I'd rather 1/2 shot all the fodder than hit and wait slightly less time than I would before for them to die

[balmy radish]

looks at torbeck pfp ...

[random shuttle]

TORBEEEEEK IS SOOOOORRRY

[digital mango]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-laugh-laughing-laugh-bugbear-torbek-gif-4829670807210790315

[random shuttle]

JUST ANOTHER DAY OF TORBEK

[calm aurora]

That's your fault @toxic dagger

[fast gust]

Kerfus for the EVIL bleed+tox sheevs, mk1 or mk3?

[random shuttle]

I tried both

and tbh

[winter tusk]

You're only bad if you complain about scum, not if you can't play high difficulty

[random shuttle]

stabby ones are better

because better elite busting

[winter tusk]

THIS CLASS IS BAD BECAUSE I CANT USE IT WELL

[near vapor]

damn

self report..

[fast gust]

I'll be giving it some tries

[analog hazel]

this is an insane take I did my literal first ever auric mission with scum and didn't even down once

[balmy radish]

toxic with saw snd needler is fun

[digital mango]

Nah the class is bad because it is extremely buggy, and have anti synergies

[winter tusk]

yeah but thats because you went in slightly prepared

[winter tusk]

scum melee go brrr

[analog hazel]

the class does have issues and bugs but it's not like it's a coughing baby in anything above malice
it's not a walking combat shotgun

[calm aurora]

toxic despacito carried baby, true warriors take rampage

[random shuttle]

Let me tell you.

Hive Scum is SO WEAK

That on second day of its release I accidentally did a SOLO MAELSTROM with it.

[balmy radish]

stares at hyper-critical...

[near vapor]

yeah its just a walking infinite ammo double mac 10s

[analog hazel]

I ALWAYS use rampage you fool

[winter tusk]

yeah but that second part is the issue, people want it to be arbitrator and they want to turn off the game and their brains at the same time

[digital mango]

I still don't have too many problems with my current build in general (on auric or higher difficulty) I generally do well, but it does make me have to do alot more to do the same as my zealot and/or better

[calm aurora]

toxic elitist user, true gamers take ogryn to carry little ones

[balmy radish]

i am used to psyker squishiness but hs one is a whole other lv

[zenith fern]

But I want the game play it for me

I do not want to think when playing my class

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/invisigal-dispatch-invisigal-toe-lover-dispatch-game-invisigal-dispatch-gif-2336541859259700212

[digital mango]

But like I did with zealot, I just pick the stuff that makes me tankiest, most mobile and supportive (cause I wanna play space kerillian)

[calm aurora]

half of the problem of this class is the UI, my god how can you play without knowing the cooldowns

[winter tusk]

This meme really is just going to be timeless

[near vapor]

by faith

[livid raven]

i think grey and slightly lighter grey are perfect colors to show a bar charging

over a grey environment, of course

[cedar cairn]

Anyone notice the Dual Autopistols doing a weird "jam" after reloading where they'll just refuse to fire for a few seconds

[near vapor]

shiv

[zenith fern]

As someone who tried to like psyker but could not fit it and so I am ogryn main, Scum is the perfect role of me having the agressive and brute force playstyle while having to have use my brain with positioning

[radiant cosmos]

We got any new pub-survival focused autopistol builds other than what Epic_Cole posted on day 1?

[calm aurora]

maybe a shade of brown could help tbh

[radiant cosmos]

the gameslantern ones are unbelievably trash

[analog hazel]

I wish they'd buff combat shotgun a bit I picked it up for a brief period while I was levelling my scum and I had a grim reminder of how smelly poopwater those guns are at high difficulties

[livid raven]

we do

[digital mango]

But yeah I think there's like 1-4 changes I would do to the class, other than that I just want anti synergies and bugs to be fixed

[calm aurora]

do you have too much reloadspeed maybe?

[livid raven]

Cole's build is very good, but all in on ranged or no balls

[vale garden]

Mods are based

[random shuttle]

Wow

[calm aurora]

you're kidding

[random shuttle]

Wooow

Slow down

[radiant cosmos]

does this use Chainaxe for backup?

[random shuttle]

@analog hazel my sweet brodda

[livid raven]

shiv

[digital mango]

Space Handmaiden kerillian is my style of play, and it usually works pretty gud

[random shuttle]

My beautiful baby boy

[livid raven]

chainaxe is horrible for backup

[random shuttle]

Let me tell you

[near vapor]

ogryn rework (the first one yea?) really set a good precedent

[random shuttle]

about Agri Combat Shotgun

[near vapor]

for what a good talent tree was

[calm aurora]

chainaxe is like a wife, all or nothing

[zenith fern]

yes

[near vapor]

the old designs are so dogshit

[near vapor]

its so limiting man

[zenith fern]

these were funny times

[digital mango]

So have u had the time to do the stuff yet? And if so how'd it go?

[random shuttle]

Aaah, the Zealot Rune

very powerful

[winter tusk]

harry potter lightning bolt right there

[vale garden]

Gud french name

[zenith fern]

clearly arbites build

[warm cypress]

Janky hangman?

[hot moth]

are you having a good time with agri? the flame shot does so little

it feels like

compared to zarona spreadshot

[random shuttle]

Zarona and Can't-fo-Real sucks

but Agri?

Agri is a beast

[zenith fern]

agri is the slug shotgun

[hot moth]

oh woops

[random shuttle]

it has outrageous ADM agains unyielding

and can one shot most elites/specialists

[cedar cairn]

This is what I use

[analog hazel]

from my experience agri does not one shot specialists in heresy up what kind of dark magic are you doing to make that fun work

[hot moth]

slugshot?

if you aren't onetapping taggables iwth slugshot something is wrong

[random shuttle]

broseph

[fast gust]

Lmao

[calm aurora]

yeah, I went +200 and -25 on the cpu, 2575 on the GPU (I may set the value a bit higher) and I implemented the fixes made by Vizra. I did two runs and I had the feeling it was better but I forgot to switch framegen off tho. I need to do a run with more stuff on the screen to be sure. My FPS has not really improved tho

[vale garden]

hes not wrong to be fair

[fast gust]

[cedar cairn]

The Darktide Community moving in to oppress Normal Gamers

[vale garden]

Darktide is a give of scum and villainy

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/mpreg-male-pregnancy-gif-17324933170184241035

[digital mango]

Did u test SMT off aswell?
Cause smt off made my frames a ton better for darktide (5900x ryzen 9)

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/dokibird-huh-rejected-live-gif-3859302371757875364

[warm cypress]

You're here to efficiently purge heretics, no more no less

[vale garden]

Nah im here to shitpost too

[calm aurora]

that is the last thing I should try, but unlike nvidia it is not on a per game basis... and modifiable with the inspector. I need to go into the bios each time and turn it off if i wanna play DT.

[warm cypress]

That IS the reason we have scum now, tbf

[toxic dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/weeze-vpit-vkunia-veeme-troy-gif-25310810

[vale garden]

I also blame Hank

Unsure what for

But Im confident in my assertion

[whole marten]

false advertising you didnt 1 shot 2 of those

[compact oyster]

Going after playtester is surely going to go well

Surely...

[vale garden]

I thought we got Scum to trick me into playing a knife build

[random shuttle]

Agri Combat Shotty is one of the most reliable long distance special/elite removal

love it on Arby

like it on melee scummy

[cedar cairn]

Shoot I might have to try that over Stub Revolver

[vale garden]

Hows the quickloadvolver on despacito?

[digital mango]

eh u could use process lasso and turn it off via that and see if that helps

[calm aurora]

We shall call him Dank now

[cedar cairn]

Probably too slow for practical use

[calm aurora]

ooohhhhh

[random shuttle]

@analog hazel fyi those videos are from Auric

so yeah

[fast gust]

Nice to see I'm not the only one rocking that color on tread lighties gear

[near vapor]

mods can we ban keet

[compact oyster]

Ban keet for being an old man

Real and true

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-pregnant-funny-gif-23134951

[digital mango]

since my cpu has 12 cores, i just do it via bios, since i shouldnt get too much less fps by disabling SMT in general use due to it

[vale garden]

boruto mentioned

[whole marten]

if we're banning old men start with @near vapor

[near vapor]

Im only 50 years young wtf

[whole marten]

anyone who uses malarkey is atleast 60 +

[fast gust]

[calm aurora]

what I would like to know is the impact of swithing rebar off on any game

[vale garden]

Tell them about how much you love spreadsheets malarkey

[near vapor]

I dont tolerate slander...

[vale garden]

Fake old person

[drowsy relic]

Now we're at the toxic casuals stage this is cool

[digital mango]

i tried it, and didnt see much of a difference on my rig, but could be worth trying out for a few matches in each game u play most frequently

[random shuttle]

Coping and Malding

[digital mango]

Hivecumon: https://youtu.be/1AXay4Juajs

[random shuttle]

As an Indie Game consumer par excellence I blame modern AAA for making people terrible at games.

I also blame AAA gaming for making people used to paid DLCs characters being OP.

I also blame Ubisoft for existing.

Damn man, fuck Ubisoft.

[near vapor]

horse armor dlc

[vale garden]

I do frequently say "boy howdy", so I figure I must be from aproximately 1840

[near vapor]

and its consequences on the gaming industry

[vale garden]

Warframe would like a word

[warm cypress]

Did it work?

[vale garden]

luv me shivs

[random shuttle]

I don't know shit about Waffleframe

[fast gust]

Kerfus there was this person that played the entire campaign in Malice because there was no indication they couldn't change the difficulty
As such this person went on a tirade about how the difficulty loop sucks, specially if they have to play more of the game

[random shuttle]

All I know is the porn it makes isn't as good as Overwatch, so, Overwatch is clearly superior

[vale garden]

Thats a high bar to be fair

[digital mango]

been playing warframe on/off since 2013 and am a founder of the game, it has extremely good developers with unprecedented open communication and one of the best gaming communities

[calm aurora]

the UI is bad and half of the stuff is explained on youtube by people doing marketing for free

[digital mango]

totally not biased kek

[random shuttle]

Overwatch Freaks work harder than entire AAA industry.

[near vapor]

Ive seen the overwatch 34s

good stuff

[fast gust]

Do you seriusly need a tutorial to tell you every, single thing, including menu ui?

Mpreg yourself.

[vale garden]

Yeah, I've got an excal prime which I occasionally like to pull out to make people jelly. I'm sure they've toned it down in the many years I haven't played, but I do remember every time a new character got released it was OP as heck

Creative Assembly also does this

[random shuttle]

Well the good news is

that AAA is really struggling

[fast gust]

Here it is

[random shuttle]

we have financial data from 2025 at last and less people are buying AAA. By a lot.

[novel oracle]

an important part tho is that the melee toughness node branches to the dodge crit which is really important for vultures dodge

[digital mango]

yeaa, theyve started experimenting alot more with newer frames, and i also pull out the excal prime from time to time just to flex just a lil bit ^^

[humble zinc]

The newest frame literally changed endurance runs forever lol

[livid raven]

i personally haven't found any problem in keeping up vulture without it

[digital mango]

hm?

[vale garden]

Nooo my call of duteeeee. Now theres gonna be no games for me where I can play a burly man that shoots things and America good (except for bad ones)

[livid raven]

but i get what you are saying

[random shuttle]

More like

Call of Dookie

Gottem.

[calm aurora]

The UI is bad. Period. You should have visibler cooldowns. And numeric UI should be the base. You do realize that they put a bar for dodges and stam only because they started making talents using these infos. And testers were probably like, wtf are you talking about dev? I cannot test a value I DO NOT FUCKING SEE. It's not vibetesting.

[humble zinc]

Nokko, he's a monster, am I late to the warframe convo?

[digital mango]

Nokko is pretty strong but not that impressive

[humble zinc]

Maybe I'm just glazing, he's pretty sick

[digital mango]

he do be a fun guy ^^

[random shuttle]

Oh this reminds me

[vale garden]

The weird thing is referencing call of cods almost feels like a boomer move now

[fast gust]

Those are not related to the topic of not been able to see a difficulty slider or realize such because there is no tutorial for it.
Combat ui sucks we can agree to that, even some ui choices are mind numbing or shitified, but map UI currently is readable enough

THe issue is as usual people don't pay attention to most things

[compact oyster]

You are whats wrong with darktide mr noob!!!

[vale garden]

It's all fucken extraction shooters these days

[compact oyster]

How dare you make the game better for the playerbase

[random shuttle]

MONSTER TRAIN 2
BALL X PIT
BLUE PRINCE
HOLLOW KNIGHT: SILKSONG
HADES 2
DISPATCH
9 KINGS
STRANGE ANTIQUITIES
KEEP DRIVING
THE MIDNIGHT WALK

My GOTY list for 2025

[calm aurora]

I am using SAP as tool for work. I know a bad and unintuive UI ;/

[fast gust]

Silkson came out

[winter tusk]

just had a random say "durr this maps dead" then he died 3 times during the end event on smelter complex

[vale garden]

Although I guess you could argue DT is an extraction shooter? Am I part of the problem?

[humble zinc]

I only recognize hollow knight

[whole marten]

laughs in expedition 33

[fast gust]

[humble zinc]

I find it easier to make a worst games of the year list

[digital mango]

i have been maining mostly wisp, zephyr and citrine the past 5-6 years (in that order)

[vale garden]

SAP can gargle my nards

[random shuttle]

I am a based and wise Indie Games Guru. No slop consumed here.

[winter tusk]

BRO DIED 3 TIMES AT THE END AND HAD TO GET THIS OUT XD

[fast gust]

9 kings is peak
Dispatch is peak
Hades 2 is peak
Monster train 2 is peak
SIlksong is master peak
Never heard of the rest outside of keep driving which isn't my stuff

[humble zinc]

I play around with wisp, mag, and revenant, I mostly play mag though

[fast gust]

Note him in the book of grudges

[digital mango]

i think all mag mains are based af

[calm aurora]

My point is: there's too little resources for newcoming players. You need to go on youtube to learn what the slot system is, how the weapon works.

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-dap-up-dap-me-up-smiling-friends-dap-up-super-monkey-ball-gif-1457175062092915584

[humble zinc]

Bubble of doom

[winter tusk]

the irony of being the worst person who probably doesn't have the ability to clutch

[tepid cosmos]

you are such a little shit stirer

[winter tusk]

completely lost on him

[vale garden]

I actually thought that 9 kings, dispatch, Hades 2, Monster train and Silksong were nothing like Peak. No climbing mountains in any of them, other than arguably Silksong

[compact oyster]

Death stranding 2 and expedition 33 are the top games of this year

[vale garden]

I wanna play DS2 mang

[humble zinc]

I'm bad at buying slop, Darktide was my first non-slop purchase in a while, I'm happy

[vale garden]

I want Kojima to make me throw shit at ghosts again

[compact oyster]

Game awards

[fast gust]

Agreed, but it isn't black and white there's too many people that relly on tutorialization to a ridiculous degree
Not the only user to realize there were more difficulties btw

[random shuttle]

E33 almost got on my list, but I just couldn't get over the story, you know.

It portrays the French as nice, loveable, empathetic people, and that's too much Fantasy even for me.

😏

[compact oyster]

100% death stranding 2 gets a pc release date

[humble zinc]

I'm pretty good at buying solid stuff on steam

[fast gust]

Speaking French genuilly spoils the story to you don't worry Kerfus, it sucks for us too

[vale garden]

Nah you need to remember that the fromage got most of them

[novel oracle]

teehee

[calm aurora]

As a French, I played with english dubs. Am I normal?

[digital mango]

me and my group was ones of the first people in europe who figured out coptering and the fact that frosts bubble was bugged for the first 3 years of development cause it made defence targets invisible if u did certain things
and thatif u spammed two specific things u could instantly teleport forward 2 metersish with excaliburs excalted blade and if used on the scrollwheel u could reach ludicrous speeds and speedrun basically everything 😄

[whole marten]

The enhanced penance is shite

[calm aurora]

I could not stand the french VAs

[novel oracle]

a guy needs his hobbies

[random shuttle]

Oh oh

bro

[fast gust]

prob

[random shuttle]

brozillion

[compact oyster]

The english dub is vastly better

[random shuttle]

if you didn't play BALL X PIT

do yourself a favor

pick that bad boy up

[compact oyster]

Also clair obscur spoiling its entire french audience LOL

[fast gust]

Kerfus I can't, I got too many Age of Wonders 4 runs

[winter tusk]

Guys, it is WAY too hard to survive on scum

[vale garden]

Clair not obscured

[calm aurora]

wait, wdym, I am still in Act 2

[digital mango]

me when dodging around like a maniac popping stims like a cr*ackhead: https://youtu.be/MbzEiPU_HKs

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-t-jibber-jabber-fool-shut-up-loki316-gif-13230004934062771555

[compact oyster]

This clair is so obscur its just like the 33rd expedition?

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[compact oyster]

Une vie a taimer

[calm aurora]

AAH

[vale garden]

one road liontamer

[humble zinc]

Wtf, speed Excalibur sounds awesome. I never found any cool gimmicks like that, I think the closest thing I found was exploiting the market, but that doesn't involve a bug in the game lol.

[fast gust]

Real life hog Rider?

[vale garden]

Good ol loki meta days when all anyone cared about was going fast and volt wasnt that fast yet

[digital mango]

yaa me and my clan have been finding thousands of bugs and exploits and reported them, then its all up to DE to actually fix em ;D

[humble zinc]

Man I miss some of the fun bugs, like that one time where we could use the Atomicycle in railjack missions lol

[digital mango]

also me when i dodge around: https://youtu.be/UW1Y6rw1RQI

https://tenor.com/view/elizabeth-rose-bloodflame-elizabeth-liz-chibi-chibi-liz-gif-14808448985221998038

[humble zinc]

🙌

[plucky steeple]

you turn into a little creature?

[vale garden]

As a couple of francophones are here, can I just point out how annoyed I was when I found out that guerre is French for war, not bellum (or a variant of it) and then discovering that guerre is from Frankish, which is Germanic, and therefore has the same root word as the english word war

[shell gulch]

what

do you mean

[humble zinc]

I'm now going to spread this news to general

[verbal dew]

boom bringer buff

[shell gulch]

that extremely high prices and even lower quality games does have impact on what people buy ???

[calm aurora]

''Dev note: “Hi everyone. This update sees a handful of changes to the layout of the Hive Scum Talent Tree. Mainly, we are addressing the sharp difficulty curve of early game Hive Scum by moving a few stronger talents from the later sections of the tree further up. What’s important to note is that outside of fixes and touch-ups, there are no direct balance changes to individual talents as of yet, so the overall power level of Hive Scum is the same. Even so, please consider this a light first stab at the overall Hive Scum feel, and know that we are keeping a watchful eye. Oh, and your talents will not be reset (but your talents might have moved around in the new layout!). Talk to you soon. - Teodor, class designer.”

‘Sticky Hands’ has been replaced with ‘Quick and Deadly’.
‘Quick and Deadly’ has been replaced with ‘Unload’.
‘Unload’ has been replaced with ‘Moving Target’.
‘Moving Target’ has been replaced with ‘Burst of Energy’.
‘Burst of Energy’ has been replaced with ‘Cheap Shots’.
‘Cheap Shots’ has been replaced with ‘Jittery’.
‘Jittery’ has been replaced with ‘Tis But a Scratch’.
‘Tis But a Scratch’ has been replaced with ‘Like the Wind’.
‘Like the Wind’ has been replaced with ‘Untouchable’.
‘Untouchable’ has been replaced with ‘Sticky Hands’.

''

[random shuttle]

shocking I know

and yet...

[shell gulch]

fr tho, happy to see that, maybe we will finally see a stop at the 100€ games

idk

not yet but like soon²

[neon coral]

quick patch? amazing

[echo python]

Stimm Supply dependency is a GO

[vale garden]

What has Cole done

[shell gulch]

the other day i say doom the dark ages at 50%

[verbal dew]

The number of Operative slots available to all players was increased from 8 to 9

[shell gulch]

it was 40€ bruh

[calm aurora]

Je ris.

[verbal dew]

my second vet died for nothing

[digital mango]

YES! 😄

i am the gremlin!

[verbal dew]

I guess I gotta save this for next dlc

[random shuttle]

the fuck XD

[vale garden]

I dont speak French

Are you saying you have riz

[glad latch]

bruh

[calm aurora]

I laugh

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-83-1-10-2-patch-notes/116164

[neon coral]

3 rockets now

[calm aurora]

read the patchies

[compact oyster]

Burster explosions fixed next patch

[winter tusk]

Did they just rearrange half of the tree?

[hot moth]

Enemies killed by Chem Toxin from a direct Needle Pistol hit will now consistently trigger ‘Desperado’ and count for ‘Blinder/Blackout’ regeneration.
The talents ‘Blessed Stimms’ and ‘Chemical Dependency’ will now be triggered when entering the proximity of a Stimm Supply loaded with a Stimm (once for each Stimm Supply deployment).

HO BOY

[calm aurora]

Hive Scum Weapons

Updated the stat values for starter weapons for new Hive Scum operatives.
    Dev Note: We have slightly increased the values of each stat for the Hive Scum weapons received when creating a new character, to smooth out the initial difficulty curve while leveling.
Improvised Shivs:
    Increased the hitbox and damage windows for most Light attacks.
    Slightly increased the 1st target damage of Light attacks, especially against the Unarmoured and Infested armour types.
    Mk I:
        Slightly increased the range of the Heavy 1 attack.
Dual Stub Pistols:
    Fixed ‘Critical Bonus’ stat not applying correctly.
Dual Autopistols:
    Fixed an animation issue when taking damage.
    Decreased the amount of camera animation when sprinting.
Bone Saw:
    Fixed an issue where the weapon could get stuck in the blocking animation.

[digital mango]

The talents ‘Blessed Stimms’ and ‘Chemical Dependency’ will now be triggered when entering the proximity of a Stimm Supply loaded with a Stimm (once for each Stimm Supply deployment). fuuuck yaaaaa

[unreal stirrup]

REAL

[vale garden]

"Fixed an issue where ‘Precision Violence’ would stop replenishing Toughness under certain conditions."

My already strong build is getting jacked

[mortal meadow]

FUCK

[winter tusk]

boom bringer increased ammo to 3

[unreal stirrup]

if only they fucking make toxin proc on kill conditional on respective weapon

[winter tusk]

[verbal dew]

so real for that steam in text banner

[mortal meadow]

im gonna have to update my build again

[wise sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/moist-critical-gif-18538102

[toxic dagger]

Talent Fixes

Enemies killed by Chem Toxin from a direct Needle Pistol hit will now consistently trigger ‘Desperado’ and count for ‘Blinder/Blackout’ regeneration.
The talents ‘Blessed Stimms’ and ‘Chemical Dependency’ will now be triggered when entering the proximity of a Stimm Supply loaded with a Stimm (once for each Stimm Supply deployment).
Fixed situations where Stimm Supply would fail to be placed due to not finding a valid position, resulting in it getting stuck in the player’s hands. It will now default to being placed at the player’s feet as a fall back.
There have also been a handful of description changes for talents, to clarify their intended behaviour.
Fixed an issue where ‘Precision Violence’ would stop replenishing Toughness under certain conditions.
Fixed a crash which could occur with ‘Blinder/Blackout’ and ‘Boom Bringer’ projectiles in combination with flame-throwing weapons
Fixed an issue where Battering Momentum would not trigger the correct buff.
Fixed misleading description text for ‘Ramping Backstabs’.
Fixed an issue where damage over time effects would cancel ‘Ramping Backstabs’.
Fixed an issue where ‘Virtue of Bad Temper’ could trigger on Captain type enemies.
Updated the description for ‘Rampage!’.

Boom Bringer

Dev note: “Both Blackout and Chem Grenade are doing really well for themselves, and we want to make sure that all three Blitzes have a proper place in the game. So here’s a Boom Bringer buff.”

Ammo:
    Increased from 2 to 3
Armor Damage Modifiers (Explosion):
    Carapace modifier increased from 2.0 to 2.4
Radius:
    Far Radius increased from 4m to 7m
    Far Range Drop-off increased from 2m to 4m
    Close Radius increased from 2m to 4m
    Close Radius Drop-off increased from 1m to 2m
Damage:
    Far range damage:
        From 900 to 1300
Fixed so that the backblast no longer pulls enemies standing in front.
Improved the missile launcher disposal animation.

Hive Scum Weapons

Updated the stat values for starter weapons for new Hive Scum operatives.
    Dev Note: We have slightly increased the values of each stat for the Hive Scum weapons received when creating a new character, to smooth out the initial difficulty curve while leveling.
Improvised Shivs:
    Increased the hitbox and damage windows for most Light attacks.
    Slightly increased the 1st target damage of Light attacks, especially against the Unarmoured and Infested armour types.
    Mk I:
        Slightly increased the range of the Heavy 1 attack.
Dual Stub Pistols:
    Fixed ‘Critical Bonus’ stat not applying correctly.
Dual Autopistols:
    Fixed an animation issue when taking damage.
    Decreased the amount of camera animation when sprinting.
Bone Saw:
    Fixed an issue where the weapon could get stuck in the blocking animation.

[wise sorrel]

Hivescum fix!

[toxic dagger]

goooood stuff

[hot moth]

In patch 1.10.0, we introduced a change to how explosions work that was meant to improve performance around said explosions. An unintended consequence of this was that players are being ‘hit’ by explosions from farther than before, which was unintended. We’re aiming to fix this issue in the next hotfix.

[lapis raft]

wym from direct needle pistol hit? what about the fucking talent on the tree xd

[toxic dagger]

looks like the mass hysteria was REAL after all

[hot moth]

An unintended consequence
which was unintended

[fast gust]

What about THE BONE SAW

[calm aurora]

auspex still not working tho

[lapis raft]

yea even worse xd

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-half-life2-gman-gif-25087297

[vale garden]

eheheheh

TWO BUFFS FOR ME

[unreal stirrup]

skill issue

[lapis raft]

workaround fixes are so dumb just make it work for everything ffs

better than nothing i guess but thats actually annoying

[neon coral]

oh is that why i got exploded 3 times

[vale garden]

Slashy shivs coming to touch the heretics

[neon coral]

i thought my teammates were just dickheads

[fast gust]

(It wasn't, Fatshark is just writing that as placebo to dispel the hysteria)

[unreal stirrup]

but it genuinely feel broken since we're used to old radius for so long

[marble pivot]

is the boom bringer better now

[glad latch]

Neat, they fixed the bug I reported.

[lapis raft]

also i can finally use stimm supply sort of? thats nice yay

[verbal dew]

depends if the animation is still janky before firing

[lapis raft]

even though it should still copy the stimm

not consume it

like written

on the node

[marble pivot]

they didnt mention fixing it but i hope they did

[verbal dew]

ye they only mentioned the disposal

[slate vector]

TLDR; pls, is using deploy crate still consume stim?

[vale garden]

Now you have to play my dumb build Cole

[unreal stirrup]

damn battering momentum fixed

I was sure it was bugged

[lapis raft]

based on the patch notes yes

[verbal dew]

that's intended tho?

[wise sorrel]

Just give it 15sec cooldown

[echo python]

Yes but you gain dependency now

[lapis raft]

not based on the wording

[thorn prawn]

That's a lot of scum changes

[lapis raft]

where it says straight up copy

[slate vector]

Intended? Rlly?

[verbal dew]

they said they changed talent wordings

[marble pivot]

hardly surprising

[vale garden]

Yes

[marble pivot]

so all this: ‘Sticky Hands’ has been replaced with ‘Quick and Deadly’.
‘Quick and Deadly’ has been replaced with ‘Unload’.
‘Unload’ has been replaced with ‘Moving Target’.
‘Moving Target’ has been replaced with ‘Burst of Energy’.
‘Burst of Energy’ has been replaced with ‘Cheap Shots’.
‘Cheap Shots’ has been replaced with ‘Jittery’.
‘Jittery’ has been replaced with ‘Tis But a Scratch’.
‘Tis But a Scratch’ has been replaced with ‘Like the Wind’.
‘Like the Wind’ has been replaced with ‘Untouchable’.
‘Untouchable’ has been replaced with ‘Sticky Hands’.

[glad latch]

So rocket launcher good now?

[marble pivot]

are these all new things

[winter tusk]

should be

[verbal dew]

we'll see

[hot moth]

"maybe"

[winter tusk]

yes hotfix literally 5 minutes ago

[calm aurora]

hmmmm

[unreal stirrup]

it still suffer from long draw tine

[digital mango]

better atleast, we'll see if good

[vale garden]

If your stim is on cooldown, then dropping the crate only does the corrption resistance. If your stim is off cooldown, then your stim effect is added to the crate and both the stim and ability go on cooldown

[unreal stirrup]

but the damage is increased by a quarter and effectively double kill range

since drop off is 4m

[unreal stirrup]

or just use the one that give you crate when stim regen

genuinely no reason not to run it

[vale garden]

They didnt improve the speed of clicking to fire, rocket launcher still dookie

[vale garden]

Yeah i tried to keep it generic

[glad latch]

Yep. It really needed the buffs bad.

[unreal stirrup]

Fixed an issue where certain weapons with Special activation states played default sound effects on hit instead of their activated hit sounds (e.g. Power Falchion, Relic Blade).

[vast yoke]

box cutter DOT build is so fucking fun holy shit

[lapis raft]

best change holy

[unreal stirrup]

i was wondering if a mod broke the sound but apparently not

[spring dust]

Hive Scum tips. So far, so good!( For me At least) Desperado and Rampage are Fun! Basically infinite ammo, and giving Raggers a taste of their own medicine. My best up time for Desperado is almost 2 minutes, and Ramage 3 or more! But I'm having trouble playing the 3rd Scum Archetype, any tips for that? I don't know what I'm doing for Chemp dependacy

[toxic dagger]

yes? how else is it going to disperse your stimm's effects in the air

that's how the ability is designed. it takes whatever stimm you have equipped and injects it into the air.

[calm aurora]

3 minutes in rampage? oO

[toxic dagger]

stimm is consumed in the process.

[vale garden]

Shivs can do some ungodly things to rampage

[lapis raft]

well it literally said copy in the description not disperse it

[vast yoke]

stimm crate + bone saw (decimator + shock&awe) with the sample collector talent and adrenaline frenzy keystone is my fav stimm crate build atm

[fast gust]

Wait anyone that has read stim dispenser, did we get any buffs?

[lapis raft]

but if they at least fixed the description so its not complete nonsense then thats something too i guess

[digital mango]

well mostly what made me use it once and not more, is that it takes time to bring it out, then it takes time to be able to shoot the thing, which means most of the time i took atleast one hit of damage before getting it off (though i havent tested it since the first 12ish levels)

[toxic dagger]

fatshark description moment strikes again

[vale garden]

It triggers chem dependency now, which it was always intended to, so thats a situational buff

[ancient python]

hey boombringer buff, that's nice

oh it's a big buff too

[fast gust]

[calm aurora]

I don't know what I'm doing for Chemp dependacy > take a stimm with a reasonable cooldown and inject yourself as soon as it is available

[fast gust]

Reasonable cooldown been 57 seconds

[toxic dagger]

I think the crate and chemdep still dont have any major synergy because you are mostly reliant on the cooldown of your stimm, not the crate ability itself, due to that refresh node

[calm aurora]

pretty much

[slate vector]

Nah MB I just process the whole thing and crate gave you dependency now.

[toxic dagger]

so the main benefit of chemdep does nothing for the crate ability

[novel oracle]

IVE NEVER BEEN MORE VINDICATED IN MY LIFE

[toxic dagger]

but it's a step in the right direction

[vale garden]

Depends if you mean for the purposes of the penance or for playing

[calm aurora]

true

[fast gust]

Ye I'll prob stay on Adrenaline Frenzy

[lost bear]

How does reddit go "ah TL is verbally sparring with Reginald" and decide Reg is the toxic one lmao

[fast gust]

don't need more cooldown reduction

[queen saffron]

Now that hypercritical is fixed to allow toughness, how good it will be?

[zenith pagoda]

Enemies killed by Chem Toxin from a direct Needle Pistol hit will now consistently trigger ‘Desperado’ and count for ‘Blinder/Blackout’ regeneration.

[vast yoke]

is this huge or nah

[ancient python]

when does the patch roll out anyway

[tight musk]

Finally, full chemist build with chem dependency and stimm supply is now possible. I can now get stupid crit from dropping lots of stimm boxes.

[vale garden]

I was running it even with the busted toughness regen cause it was so fun, so good

[novel oracle]

HOLY FUCKIUNG SHIT

[toxic dagger]

this one is also funny

[verbal dew]

wait they put it there

[digital mango]

oh i have a funny question.. where ingame does it say the number of seconds the stimm is on?

[toxic dagger]

I happen to know the specifics for this, dmg outcome is mostly the same

[lost bear]

People are writing whole wattpad fictions about you

[lapis raft]

well you can do long stimm and shorter crate right. like 60s crate cd with 40% cdr and then big 75s stimm on top?

[toxic dagger]

base stats were adjused to accomodate scaling working correctly

HOWEVER

[lapis raft]

assuming the cdr actually does apply to crate

[fast gust]

Forced surviveability pathing

[vast yoke]

was it missing a ton of crit chance or smth

[toxic dagger]

something worth testing is that the pistols might do more cara dmg on crit now

[vast yoke]

ohh

[toxic dagger]

based on the type of stat that now works

[vast yoke]

INTERESTING

[spark gyro]

bros, we got FIXES

[toxic dagger]

no it wasnt really missing anything, the bar just didnt do anything

[dense hollow]

okay i need to hop on and remake my trees again

[spring dust]

... How does Bone saw work? Kinda find it anamic... Maybe I'm just using it wrong, but I think it's kinda slow and the DOW damnage works to slow, and what color chem does what.

[toxic dagger]

now the base stats are lowered so the bar multiplier can function

[vale garden]

I need to go to bed now, but I cant wait to do slashy shivs tomorrow

[toxic dagger]

it has a different stat assigned to it now

that one might affect ADM modifier on crit

so test it

[vale garden]

Fixed synergy and a general shiv buff. gonna be eating good

[livid raven]

it is slow, yellow does toxin, purple does britness

[lapis raft]

bonesaw can apply like 6 toxins from single right click, and toxin is pretty op, so depends

[ancient python]

shiv buff is a bit odd, it felt short range sure but it's fuckin shivs

[livid raven]

you have to get some cleave, shock and awe and then do light attacks for hordes

[lapis raft]

but yea the wep kinda feels bad to use otherwise

[vale garden]

https://tenor.com/view/britta-dean-community-jesus-wept-gif-5621770

[lapis raft]

even though in theory its giga strong weapon

plus it eats your on kill stuff

[toxic dagger]

saw is slow but relatively safe, has some good stagger and utility with toxin and brittleness

[lapis raft]

and they only fixed needler

for the nades

xdd

[spark gyro]

and boom buff

[novel oracle]

I HAVE TO EDIT ALL OF THE PINNED BUILDS NOW

[dense hollow]

cole in shambles

[livid raven]

oh hotfix?

[lost bear]

Saw also works better to build around than as something to just drop in

[spring dust]

So itt's the sigle tager big game (Aka maulers, Crushers, reapers and boss killers) Not wave clearer

[shadow umbra]

Im not gonna lie, the saw is good in general

Its an allrounder melee

[livid raven]

yeah they also knew the class had an horrible starting experience

good on them

[lapis raft]

it can clear with bunch of cleave and attack speed its just annoying to get ther.e but yea its mostly big single target

[vale garden]

You also have to try my shiv build now

[dim wigeon]

yeah buffs and stuff here

[vale garden]

(not actually)

[lapis raft]

anyway im dropping rampage for stimm supply when i come home just because i finally can ez

[shadow umbra]

OH SHIT HIVE SCUM BUFFS!!!!

[lapis raft]

even though its still not the best but oh well

[zenith pagoda]

In patch 1.10.0, we introduced a change to how explosions work that was meant to improve performance around said explosions. A side effect of this was that players are being ‘hit’ by explosions from farther than before, which was unintended. We’re aiming to fix this issue in the next hotfix.

I TOLD YALL

[lost bear]

Yeah but the interactions don't play well with Adrenaline etc

[ancient python]

oh hey bulgur, didn't know you played this game

[thorn prawn]

Oh neat, new update saved me talent points on all loadouts

[dim wigeon]

Fuck ya think I do just lurk here

[ancient python]

lmfao

[vale garden]

WE GOT A LIVE ONE

[livid raven]

lol they buffed rocket launcher to 3

[ancient python]

that's what i usually do

[dense hollow]

@main trellis the talents being moved around means we can save one talent point and get hyper critical or anything else now

[livid raven]

holy shit rocket launcher might just be good now

[vast yoke]

Bone Saw has a lot of hidden combo chains, it also feels really bad without Shock & Awe.

For hordes you wanna run PA-H-H-L for the most part, you get a unique sweep heavy after PA that follows up with another sweep, really big range and huge cleave (which a lot of the lights lack)

For single target damage you get a lot of options, I usually do L-L-L-P-L-L which is 4 strikedowns in a chain of 5, you can just spam lights too. If you can H1 is good, and if you're off aggro on an Unyielding enemy you can P-H-H (H1 and unique P-H hit twice)

Anyway the point of Bone Saw is mainly to get insane value from Sample Collector talent. Also always run the Stimm Supply subnode that makes it last 5 seconds and has your CD come back on getting your Cartel Special (I don't run the explosion one anymore but many people do too)

[tight musk]

If you click "inspect" in the weapon menu it tells you what special action does on each weapon.

For bone saw, yellow is damage over time toxin, blue/purple is brittleness toxin (reduces enemy armor).

[zenith fern]

arr we hitting good yhis patch?

[dim wigeon]

Lady I have every class maxed

[shadow umbra]

They buffed the amount of uses and the explosion range

[vale garden]

until they make it faster firing from clicking I will remain a rocket hater

[shadow umbra]

Might actually be worth it

[compact oyster]

Also mortis has been played so many times that no one realized a map was gone

[livid raven]

also shiv got buffed

[ancient python]

yeah well i have

[livid raven]

very nice

[ancient python]

idk

[fast gust]

I love my highly populated gamemodes everyone asked for

[wispy vault]

I saw in the comments of the patch botes someone saying that nimble decreased dodge window instead of increasing it, anyone tested this ? Is this common knowledge like the recently fixed hyper critical bug ?

[ancient python]

i don't have anything i guess

[idle lava]

...four rockets...

[ancient python]

dignity

[dim wigeon]

Man what the hell

[neon fern]

boom bringer was already good but i appreciate the buff

[spring dust]

So pair it out with the Brace auto gun for trash clearing. So tips for Needdle gun? The way I'm using it right now is in my Rampage build to kill snipers and far away gunner enemies.

[compact oyster]

Mortis is cool but in reality there arent enough rewards tied to it

[vale garden]

Ive been trying to get into a mortis trial to test out scum in there for the last 3 days and no games

[livid raven]

what do you mean a map has gone

the winter map?

[lapis raft]

pre stack toxins from needler and then keep them up with toxin on crit works the best

[lavish parrot]

did they buff the uh the the
the rocket launcher

[calm aurora]

@toxic dagger and @novel oracle when you playtest, do you start from lvl1 and do all the difficulties?

[dense hollow]

has anyone tested this hotfix yet if hyper critical still conflicts with hyper violence?

[vast yoke]

anyway lets see if the tree layout change fucked me good or bad

[lapis raft]

and then when you dont see any crushers or bosses around

just use blue mode on needler

[drowsy relic]

Yes

[hot moth]

Toxic Renewal still bad reeeeee

[drowsy relic]

3 rockets default plus damage and radius buffs

[lapis raft]

or at least that works best for me

[toxic dagger]

yes and it's an ironman run. if we die we have to start over.

[vale garden]

Alright time for bed

Night night

[hot moth]

if you die in the game

You die in real life

[spring dust]

Did that, all the discerption said on especial action is adds toxics, didn't specify which was which.

[zenith fern]

so hyper critical is fixed now?

[toxic dagger]

some testers never make it to heresy 😔

[ancient python]

wait didn't they just change the talent layout? i just downloaded the update and it looks the same, didn't even reset me

[neon fern]

i love ironmaning dt

it's p fun

[toxic dagger]

they said it wouldnt reset

[vast yoke]

they swapped talent locations with no tree reset afaik

[tight musk]

Bone saw also has a hidden double H1 attack if you push and then charge up a heavy without doing a push attack, your character will do H1 but from the other side and then you can chain into regular H1.

Maybe not super useful cause you can just do H1-light-repeat into single targets, but it's there, I guess.

[ancient python]

wild

[vast yoke]

that is actually mentioned in my text dump haha

[flat mist]

how am i supposed to go to bed when we have SCUM UPDATES

[idle lava]

Chemical dependency looks good now that the box applies it.

[novel oracle]

im trying my best ok

no need to rub it in

[novel oracle]

hard disagree

[tight musk]

Oh, sorry, I guess I skipped over that.

I need more sleep.

[novel oracle]

its only slightly better than before

[neon fern]

chem dep was already good

[spring dust]

... Kind of embarasing, but what does PA-H-H-L, L-L-L-P-L-L and P-H-H mean?

[thorn prawn]

Does anyone know which level stagger does Cheap Shots mean by fully stagger?

[livid raven]

chem dep now works

[novel oracle]

you can now drop your crate more yeah
but with what stim?

[dense hollow]

full stagger i think, ie knocked on their ass

[vast yoke]

not embarassing at all, PA is push attack, P is just a push, H is heavy, L is light

[drowsy relic]

But my urple

[spring dust]

Got it!

[livid raven]

prob still nowhere as good as the other two

[idle lava]

Yeah, before it didn't look good, now it's okay

You could take all three nodes of chemical dependency for 20% and 40%

[flat mist]

a big one

[spring dust]

So bonesaw is combo machine. Stat recomendation?

[dim wigeon]

that's code name for attack patterns right

push attack heavy heavy light

[random shuttle]

DOT Shivs rampage 200 elites+specials les go

[lapis raft]

i think you just do 75s stimm on the crate now yea if you are doing chem dep

most likely

[novel oracle]

so you have a long cooldown on that stim
hows the cooldown on the crate gonna help with that

[lapis raft]

so theres some actual synergy etc

[vast yoke]

I run flak% unyielding%, i dont remember if it has mobility or defence but dump defence if you can, mobility if you cant (game still updating)

[lapis raft]

otherwise theres still no synergy

[idle lava]

Is crate not a 75s cd?

[grand jewel]

hotfix seems good

[novel oracle]

crate is a 60s cooldown

[grand jewel]

60

[tight musk]

PA - push attack (when you block and then hold attack to push and do a follow up strike)
P - just push from block.
L - light attack.
H - heavy attack.

Numbers indicate the attack in a chain, so H1 is the first heavy attack, H2 is second heavy attack after the first one, etc.

[flat mist]

idk im just saying words

[patent bone]

Hotfix hopefully changes the hive scums cosmetics a bit
Mainly Tread Lightlies Cartel Proud

[novel oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565672718293401653/1321147766805631129/cat_armor_wiki.gif

[lapis raft]

even though i guess you still cant do that

[vast yoke]

hard to name some heavies tbh. wtf would the heavy follow up after push even be

[lapis raft]

because crate consumes the stimm

so then you just get empty crate sometimes

[vast yoke]

H1b?

[lapis raft]

so meh

[novel oracle]

exactly

[severe zephyr]

did they remove the talents with the new update?

[novel oracle]

the stim is kinda the meat of the ability

[novel oracle]

no

[idle lava]

So, you drop crate, stack 1

Pop stim at the 15s mark if you haven't needed to use it.
Drop crate when it comes up in 15 seconds.
Crate is now up 45s later.
Drop crate

Stim when needed.

[compact oyster]

From what ive noticed every media build starts you either at lvl30 or lvl 1 on a fresh character

[near marlin]

oh cool chem dependency now works with the supply

[flat mist]

the only real benefit over current box builds is that you could run a longer stim and now drop an empty bomb box before the stim comes back

which is meh

[novel oracle]

everything is in the same spot so you may just need to respec it some

[severe zephyr]

thank god

[compact oyster]

Because i see them unlock basic penances

[flat mist]

ima just delete all my builds and start again

[solemn thorn]

Has anyone, when using the shivs gotten a bug that disables your heavy attack, you will just be holding them in the air, it disables your sprint, you can dodge and switching weapons does nothing, it will stay until your stim comes back from cool down and instantly uses it. It's not mods that I have on, since it was happening when I wasnt running mods plus I don't use any mods that help in gameplay wise. I have a video of it happening in different games, it happens so far once per game.

[lapis raft]

so theres still no synergy with the cdr, what a goated change

[flat mist]

except leave some curio archetypes

[shadow umbra]

To those that have used the new rocket launcher, is it actually good now?

[flat mist]

bro its been like 5 min

[wispy vault]

I feel like im missing something but outside of chem dependency toughness and crit buffs, isnt crate cdr kind of a waste with chem dependency ? Or would you use this with street stims ? It just feels very underwhelming for a team buff when you could be running desperado or rampage

[novel oracle]

you tried to stim when its on cooldown while using guarentee weapon swap

[shadow umbra]

oh

[dense hollow]

it literarily just came out but it's better at it's best use case (deleting bulwark walls and dense armor packs)

[idle lava]

And now since Chem is triggered it should restore 50% toughness

[vernal sluice]

yooo boom bringer buffed? we are so back

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-yakuza-kiryu-kazuma-yippee-yippie-gif-4888268826713623188

[winter tusk]

Bad timing or buggy mechanics

[wispy vault]

So a longer cd shout basically ?

[novel oracle]

it wasnt aimed at you

thats why you couldnt push it

[winter tusk]

ok so bad mechanics

[idle lava]

Maybe?
Do desperado and rampage cd while active?

[flat mist]

the best part of this is that melee scum basically just got an extra talent node

fuck YEAH

[livid raven]

no

[winter tusk]

if i cant count on teammates to push bursters id rather just be able to do it myself

[novel oracle]

my ranged scum just lost a free node tho

[shadow umbra]

bad timing

[toxic dagger]

it's step 1

[novel oracle]

and by that i mean one that you could easily move around without much care

[toxic dagger]

prob more to follow

[novel oracle]

but now you HAVE to take it

[hardy crater]

have to pay point tax to get jittery now. sadge

[livid raven]

maybe i'm crazy but

[novel oracle]

what tax

[compact oyster]

Testers RUINING the already WEAK hive scum

[calm aurora]

sadge

[flat mist]

suck it

[spark gyro]

Everyone shut up for 8 hours because I want to sleep and I don't want you to spoil me in my dreams

[vast yoke]

i might be a bit dumb but. where is the 20% DR talent

nvm i see it

its unchanged LOL

[neon fern]

oh it's super free to take burst and tis but a scratch now

[livid raven]

shouldn't the node that recharges the ability also be changed to additionally recharge the stim if the ability is ready

[spark gyro]

Chatting will begin again when I am not eepy

[hardy crater]

gotta take either tis but scratch or slippery customer to get jittery

[solemn thorn]

Maybe, wouldn't really know, alot is just automatic for me but I can try to force proc the bug with that

[covert lagoon]

oh bazooka buff

yay

[lusty lichen]

Lol, new patch note says the previous statistic of the rocket, a whole 2m radius blast... and people says that it was bigger.

[lapis raft]

well next step is christmass vacation :d

[shadow umbra]

free good nodes free good nodes!!!

[novel oracle]

oh no, two of the best talents in the entirety of the tree

[vast yoke]

ohh thats why im confused. i gain like 1 extra talent point for 90% of my builds because Moving Target isn't mandatory

[covert lagoon]

i hope they fixed thunder hammer sound bug

[random shuttle]

YOOOOO

ZOOKA enjoyers rise

[flat mist]

actually yeah kinda the same for any melee build that wouldnt have taken cleave

you're forced into elites/monstrosities

[livid raven]

the radius was 4m

[flat mist]

which is fine

[shadow umbra]

two ice creams tall

[lusty lichen]

The far radius, which doesn't always kill.

[flat mist]

SCUM ITS HYPERCRITICAL TIME

LETS GOOOOOO

[winter tusk]

im short as fuck boiiii

[vast yoke]

wtf do i even put my free point into... Quick and Deadly or Slippery Customer hmm

[digital mango]

awwh my build got taxed one additional talent point 🙁

[livid raven]

maybe now the shivs won't hit only what's directly in front of you

[winter tusk]

wheres the part of the update when they fix bursters

[shadow umbra]

slippery customer in my opinion
quick and deadly is good but you can live without it

[livid raven]

next hotfix

[novel oracle]

like im not even joking both of those nodes are insanely good for every build type

[toxic dagger]

@novel oracle is there a point to running hypercritical and hyperviolence at the same time on rampage shivs?

[winter tusk]

next class update bursters will be fixed, trust

[novel oracle]

nope
just go hyper violence

[livid raven]

they antisynergize with each other

[toxic dagger]

ok ty

[severe zephyr]

jesus christ this new talent perk distribution destroys my fucking build

[novel oracle]

hyper crit can kill the overkill

[lusty lichen]

Is this even "hotfix" when they take a week to drop the patch...

[near marlin]

nice to see the hivescum gets to have the strongest blitz selection in the game

[queen saffron]

Ah, thought would be the case

[toxic dagger]

hotfix is what they call everything that isnt a major update.

[compact oyster]

I think the fix is very hot

[hardy crater]

ya i know they are good for players who are at a lower skill level.. good application of jittery makes it null to take either of those because you don't take damage by dodging everything.

[drowsy relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1447907060590317690/image.png?ex=69395408&is=69380288&hm=3223b58a4420b7c0c6774872fc176e435772826897c9033fae9ccb4fa7bea7dd&

[compact oyster]

Just look at those curves!

[toxic dagger]

it just means "there is a patch but dont expect a big one"

[vernal sluice]

holy shit this new talent distribution improves my build!!!

[random shuttle]

Zooka my beloved

[flat mist]

melee scum basically gets +1 talent to use

[novel oracle]

low skill or high skill, dodging both gunfire and melees with the same action is insane value, and 10% toughness regen for something thats going to happen anyway is insane value

[vast yoke]

how? it's giving me 1 extra point on every build lmao

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-need-gif-21451408

got any of those rampage builds

[flat mist]

actually such a big deal

[livid raven]

what taxnode was removed

[flat mist]

your build was probs bad then

[severe zephyr]

if i have a build, and that build follow a path, if you change the steps the build path is not the same?

[novel oracle]

like i hard carried a hardmode twins with melee scum and having slippery with a stripped down needlepistol was invaluable

[flat mist]

u had to choose between +1 ranged dodge and the reduce threat on sprint nodes

[vast yoke]

you no longer have to choose +1 dodges with ranged weapons or lower threat% after sprinting for melee builds

[novel oracle]

esp with the stamina profile these guys have

[livid raven]

oh yeah

man that choice is so bad

[hardy crater]

value is subjective to the build.. my build never needed either of those, now i lose damage to get jittery back ;/

[tight musk]

Oh my.

I shot between a bulwark and a crusher and they both died.

Damn.

[supple gate]

Did the update make hs better or did it destroy everything?

[severe zephyr]

yes of course i was having fun, i was not following the fucking meta so build = bad

[toxic dagger]

that's proper.

[flat mist]

yes, thats correct, you get it

[halcyon apex]

Big one -> big gun -> big guns -> WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET BIGGER GUNS?!

[tight musk]

Now that's a fucking rocket launcher.

[severe zephyr]

go to study

[shadow umbra]

WE ARE BACK

SO BACK

[lusty lichen]

It was literally just krak grenade before the update.

[vast yoke]

oh that's actually competitive with poop nade holy shit

[compact oyster]

Does it still have the firing delay

[shadow umbra]

ATTENTION ALL SCUM WE CAN NOW SCUM

[toxic dagger]

IM

OH GOD

IM SCUMMINGGGG

[livid raven]

darktide player when they have to run a good build and not be a weigth to their teammates for once

[vast yoke]

my WiFi went down the moment I installed the update

kms

[compact oyster]

Its a premonition

[tight musk]

Yeah, but if it can actually kill a wall of crushers, I don't mind it.

[winter tusk]

goddamn, the tree really is rearranged

[flat mist]

jokes on you, im a weight dragging down my team even with a good build

[turbid fulcrum]

Enemies killed by Chem Toxin from a direct Needle Pistol hit will now consistently trigger ‘Desperado’
Finally my totally OP meta Needler Desparado build can work 😄

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-nonono-no-no-no-not-now-gif-19185122

[vast yoke]

this is literally perfect for my box cutter + estrogen pistol build

[sleek grove]

oh they finally fixed box+chem dependency

[toxic dagger]

ya im excited to play shivs + needle + bazooka + rampage + frenzy

[livid raven]

oh @novel oracle this means you don't have to take the melee toughness generation for your build now

[toxic dagger]

should be FUN

[median bridge]

Wait shivs have rampage now?

[vast yoke]

i run this but with dependency cus 15% crit chance is fantastic

[livid raven]

what do you mean

[vast yoke]

the skill Rampage!

[toxic dagger]

also valid

[flat mist]

needs more drugs

[median bridge]

Dear god….

[novel oracle]

wdym

[toxic dagger]

that said, idk I just realised not having blackouts on shivs feels scary

i love blackouts

[dim moth]

wait until you hear about desperado

[livid raven]

nvm i'm stupid

[sleek grove]

oh and they pretty much doubled the zooka aoe, nice

[toxic dagger]

bazooka might be better for desperado uzi

[compact oyster]

woe pocket fent

[toxic dagger]

since it doesnt deal with armor well

[median bridge]

What happened to desperado

[livid raven]

you meant float like a butterfly, unfortunately that's still after the melee one

[zenith pagoda]

So needle pistol can now be used with desperado but what about vultures mark?

[dim moth]

Which means my suggestion was CORRECT

YEAH

[wise sorrel]

Uh why are you talking about that like it's possible?? 🤔

[vast yoke]

I was shown the glory that is "just ignore Uncanny on Shivs and run Fleshtearer + Riposte lol" and it's hilariously fun

[livid raven]

man if they just swapped butterfly with precision violence

[toxic dagger]

yea I played that the other day

not sure if I enjoyed it more than rampage + cooldown stim + frenzy though

[dim moth]

My influence is spreading

[vast yoke]

IT'S GENUINELY SO FUN also rocket buff will make this build so fucking good

[tight musk]

Needle pistol does actually restore blackout grenades now...but if you use a bone saw and the toxin is what kills the enemy and not the saw, no grenade charge for you. Tho I guess the saw does enough direct damage that maybe it's not a problem, idk.

[random shuttle]

its my bread and butter