hivescum-class

[eternal crag]

thse are the facts

[near mauve]

this
like half of the comments online are about how the class is double the effort of every other class for the same dmg output (dumbass way to evaluate something) so nerfs will just get bad publicity unironically

[eternal crag]

arbite was a strong class at launch

the god emperor loves me more than you

[high gull]

Fat Shark making smart decisions

Lol

Lmao even

[eternal crag]

and hive scum has big potential if you know how to play the game and not stand still

[high gull]

Unless that shit gets slapped with a massive review bomb like it did at launch

Nada gonna change.

[charred bronze]

and if they make the class significantly easier to play to boost sales, that'd. . . well that'd suck. It's nice to have a high skill ceiling career

[novel oracle]

if i run out cuz i never landed the final blow on an elite, it can take a hot minute to land a melee kill with the lack of any buffs lol
and typically i just have desperado back before then so i can just pop it and get another elite kill easy that way

[patent bone]

Hey hey people, death here

Not that I am death, just feeling it

[eternal crag]

if the run low on sales

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-death-skateboard-i-have-a-feeling-were-going-skull-shades-gif-17365568

[eternal crag]

they will just re re release the bluerer krieg uniforms

[haughty slate]

Once you learn that holding a direction and pressing spacebar every 3 seconds or so makes you a god, Darktide is solved

[obsidian crown]

Just saying. Put an ICD on pickpocket.

[patent bone]

Such an underrated game

[obsidian crown]

Best solution.

[flat mist]

has anyone tested if unload is actually increasing in stacks? its not showing a number for multiple stacks on my buff bar

[high gull]

It's getting a sequel.

[patent bone]

Oh hell yeah

[novel oracle]

theres a very fine line between too long and it severely kills the identity and youd be better off just grabbing ammo
and it basically just being the same

[obsidian crown]

Btw I’m responding to the idea of having pickpocket require melee kills instead

[haughty slate]

what game? I'm a gamer

[eternal crag]

you know what game needs more games ?

https://tenor.com/view/travis-touchdown-nicechan-madoka-magica-madoka-kaname-mami-tomoe-gif-20291118

[high gull]

Splinter Cell?

[obsidian crown]

Melee kills are stupid and counterintuitive

[high gull]

Oh...

[obsidian crown]

For a desperado build

[sinful matrix]

I mean. . . hmm

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-touchdown-burning-pee-gif-23242397

[sinful matrix]

Maybe it's just a bad perk that shouldn't exist

[calm aurora]

Maybe the fact that other classes can trivialize entire chunks of the game is the problem..

[ancient basin]

you always got an answer to specials an elites, and you can then go ham on hordes with your gun every 45 seconds

fun loop

[eternal crag]

real shit

[sinful matrix]

5 seconds makes it an irrelevant CDR for the sake of ammo economy while something like 30 would make it pointless

[eternal crag]

vet should uhhh

[sinful matrix]

and there's not really much gray area in between

[eternal crag]

let you blow the brains out of the psyker for a perminant buff

[high gull]

You don't get it

[eternal crag]

or ride piggy back on an ogryn

[high gull]

I paid money for this class

I should be able to face tank 8 crusher overheads

[haughty slate]

I made my little scoomer as short as possible for easy Ogryn uppy-maxing

[high gull]

And regen my entire ability and get all ammo and regen hp

Of a single pox walker kill

It's only fair

[near mauve]

bbbbut le psyker can le spew le flames....

[calm aurora]

Consumer's always right

[novel oracle]

i want pickpocket to be locked into vultures mark and be a subnode that can only proc at max stacks, consuming them
with the condition that vultures mark can also stack from melee kills too
potentially giving a flat 20% when it procs to avoid it proccing at like 19% ammo and oops your stacks are gone, so you always get the full value of it

[sinful matrix]

Just go play ogryn

[high gull]

I don't wanna play the slow brick wall

That shit gotta be about the most sleep inducing gameplay

[sinful matrix]

Oh I thought we were being sarcastic

[eternal crag]

how considerate of you

[high gull]

Am I?

[eternal crag]

little feller needs all the help he can get

[tender marten]

also vultures mark should grant u flight

[fast gust]

Ogryn can be oretty speedy on krourk IV knife

[sinful matrix]

[obsidian crown]

Yeah I don’t care how they do it. Just don’t make it melee kill requirement to proc it. That’s all. That’s the most dumb suggestion I’ve ever seen and someone here suggested it.

[sinful matrix]

Never change Arg

[near vapor]

SEE

[haughty slate]

I should be able to take Hadron on a late-night Taco Bell date

come on Fart Shart

[near vapor]

argus gets me

[high gull]

Ngl I'd love to actually hear the scum talk to the other personalities more.

But they keep getting interrupted.

[novel oracle]

i mean itd work perfectly fine if the ranged/melee power balance was more like vets

but it isnt

[obsidian crown]

That’s what I’m saying

[novel oracle]

its all or nothing on ranged and melee for scum

[eternal crag]

since launch of this update

[obsidian crown]

Exactly

[near mauve]

nah man ogryn is fun
shithouse brickwall power fantasy

[obsidian crown]

That’s why it’s stupid

[eternal crag]

i have heard the new ogryn yap more in one mission

[haughty slate]

Ogryn is just boring Arbites just like how Veteran is boring Hive Scum

[obsidian crown]

A dumb suggestion

[calm aurora]

Wdym

[eternal crag]

than all the scum ive seen combined

[high gull]

I need 9 more mission clears to 100% ogryn

[novel oracle]

have you tried meleeing on a ranged build on scum

it fucking sucks

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-sleep-gif-12073235593935901891

[sinful matrix]

Mal has the rotted brain of a zoomer addicted to addy and Arg is, uh, Arg.

[near mauve]

become one with the pickaxe

[sinful matrix]

You're not gonna sell ogryn to em

Trust me I've tried for like 4 years or something

[near mauve]

its so ovah....

[high gull]

HAs it really been that long

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/breen-cheeks-garrys-mod-half-life2-dr-breen-gif-26921254

[sturdy linden]

I just had the WORST lv 1100 zealot on my team I've ever seen

it was actually crazy

[near vapor]

ogryn is a fatass slow class man

[fast gust]

Arg play Ogryn

Rock

[high gull]

Way to make me feel old god damn...

[near mauve]

wait i can pull one last trick

[ancient basin]

melee on ranged build be like, survive until can shoot boolet

[tender marten]

my shivs hit with the force of a wetted sock on my desperado scummer

[novel oracle]

sorry about that man

wait WHY

[calm aurora]

I have only played rampage

[near vapor]

and the hitbox is too big...

[near mauve]

ogryn is like playing space dudes in darktide...

peak?

[novel oracle]

sorry my bad dude

[high gull]

I want my tech marine gameplay

[obsidian crown]

@novel oracle we’re relying on you to suggest reasonable pocket nerfs to the devs. You’re the chosen one

[near mauve]

simply play bullrush and cleavers

[sinful matrix]

Like I said, rotted brain addicted to adderal

[ember folio]

Am I missing something or this is major class flaw?
HS can't jorking the custom stim in the elavator

[sturdy linden]

lol as if

[fast gust]

Ogryn can run slightly faster than zealot on his Speedgryn build

[spark gyro]

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING

[near mauve]

bullrus, cleavers, speed on ranged kill

[novel oracle]

youre right i woulda been a scum

[spark gyro]

WHAT GOOD IS A STIMM IF WE CAN'T JORK IT GRIMDARK STYLE

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/436310003666911232/1081465814768701510/wall-1.gif

[ember folio]

play with 3 other classes and they all have it. i'm major missing out

[near mauve]

SAME

[novel oracle]

getting overheaded cuz of a single bruiser deciding to fall over next to me and block all of my movement

[flat mist]

It's pretty lame how few talents benefit ranged and melee. I think there's 4 damage talents that effect both.

[high gull]

The only real thing I've been seeing people collectively shitting themselves about is rumbler ogryn. I see those like once every new moon cycle.

[near vapor]

scum is the perfect class for me. Theyre so fast..

[sinful matrix]

Rumbler Ogryns are the fucking worst

I'm trying to melee this horde

[spark gyro]

Brother, I was doing this clutch on idfk which map and I detonated something that pushed poxwalkers towards me

[ancient basin]

would be cool to have a bone saw mark that is just a hooked cleaver

[sinful matrix]

not dress myself in it

[near vapor]

honestly I forgot what the Rumbler is

[spark gyro]

But they landed ON me and I literally couldn't move

[mint fable]

Rumbler Ogryn is fun

[flat mist]

Scum is the melee psyker I always wanted to be

[near vapor]

tf does it even do

[sinful matrix]

QUIT FUCKING MOVING THE ENEMIES AROUND

[mint fable]

I tried it myself

[fast gust]

Don't worry rumbla will remain a forever steam debate, like mods are cheating or trappers shooting throw crowds is unfair and similar whining

[haughty slate]

Scum is the perfect blend of superspeed knife zealot and veteran gunplay

[high gull]

Ngl I just like the class for the chem crate

[spark gyro]

HAHAHAHA

[ancient basin]

that shits been happening all over recently

[spark gyro]

PRANKED

[haughty slate]

skill issue

[near mauve]

i wonder how many new people experienced fatshark's amazing servers and decided to nope tf out

[sinful matrix]

Class drop broke bursters

somehow

[toxic dagger]

play... more... rumbler... ogryn. noted

[novel oracle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/452219191580295168/1392348183438557306/freeze-2.gif

[near vapor]

man just wants to do drugs in game smh

[sturdy linden]

tag team killl

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-fuck-fucked-get-fucked-fallout-new-vegas-gif-568499856954385743

[spark gyro]

double trouble

[sinful matrix]

I will actually scream Hank

😭

[fast gust]

Evil Hank

[spark gyro]

Cole has noodle arms

[near vapor]

ay Rampage is fucking hot

[spark gyro]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/436310003666911232/1081465814768701510/wall-1.gif

[charred bronze]

That's my secret: I'm always jorkin' it

[obsidian crown]

Honestly I’m fine with how they approached this. That’s the trade off for such a strong class. But that just means they have to be super careful how they balance some of the nodes like pickpocket, etc

[ancient basin]

yeah the bursters got into the fent supply the mobians stole from the conclave, its why we dont have custom med stims on a CD

[near vapor]

rampage + shiv is like youre ADHD unmedicated

[novel oracle]

im going insane

[near vapor]

things happen so fast

[ember folio]

BUT I WANT OTHER TO SEE I'M TOO ARE JORKING

[sinful matrix]

That doesn't surprise me, but I am getting jumped by bursters from outside of push range which is just gross

[obsidian crown]

Honestly I feel like it’s more shiv related

[novel oracle]

these bursters dont sound like theyre on the same floor

[random shuttle]

Fuck I haaate the toughness penance "D

[obsidian crown]

The push seems fucking weird on shivs

[near mauve]

clearly the solution is to nerf burster dmg to 1 since their code is beyond saving

[fast gust]

Perhaps it's a server issue and as such cannot be confirmed in the psyknium?

Wouldn't be a first...

[sinful matrix]

the 2500% one?

[toxic dagger]

I think sound issues are unrelated to the bursters themselves

[sinful matrix]

I got it done in like 20 missions or something

[spark gyro]

anyway uh like uhhh

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-jerry-mouse-oh-really-what-did-you-say-gif-4567866740137164332

[ancient basin]

shorter reach means smaller push

[random shuttle]

[sinful matrix]

50% toughness every 45 seconds or whatever

[spark gyro]

do people just skip can opener on crowbar and go superiority + opportunist or what?

[sinful matrix]

Just make sure to get hit by playing a bit dumb and panic stab yourself

[obsidian crown]

It’s not even that. There’s a delay between pushing and backstep

[viscid sleet]

hey do cooldown reductions effect our stims?

[haughty slate]

there's definitely a sound issue... burster ai has always been a bit goofy so idk about that

[sturdy linden]

no

only Sample Collector does

[near vapor]

yea

[spark gyro]

Based

[near vapor]

I dont use the claw much

[haughty slate]

no, the only one that effects it is the one node at the bottom right of the tree that gives you back 1% on kill and 2% on kill w/ chem

[sturdy linden]

except the issue persists when playing other classes too...

[sinful matrix]

I mean nothing in the game should change your FOV so yeah, please remove it

[viscid sleet]

damn

[novel oracle]

i think it was this one

why does he do that

[toxic dagger]

I went back to ogryn and burster pushing behavior and explosion ranges felt normal again

playing on my trusty pickaxe

[ancient basin]

and you do not get any cdr from that talent until your stim effect is done and actively cooling down

[fast gust]

But we've seen odd burster happenings with them just not jumping even onto dead teammates just standing there

And not all the burster weirdness is tied to hive scum

[flat mist]

It does make sense I suppose, I guess I'm just used to psyker where every damage buff affects every source. It just feels like there's things I can't utilise creatively as i potentially could when two of the keystones are gated to melee/ranged, hyper violence and critical are both gated to melee, and so on.

[charred bronze]

I leveled as rampage. Playing desperado now and it seems stronger. I'm not a top player by any stretch though.

[toxic dagger]

also burster behavior spazzing out and burster audio breaking are not actually new problems

[flat mist]

But I suppose it wouldn't be very creative if everything worked with everything

[sinful matrix]

burster perfectly committing self die just outside of push range but close enough to kill you. Nurgle must love trigonometry or some shit

[novel oracle]

ik but its happening basically every game now

everyone is noticing

[plucky nymph]

https://youtu.be/6wSw1nIyeGM?si=FmStiwHCNTrG82Sy

nice to know I can slide badly and still just do this for free in havoc 40. Balanced

[obsidian crown]

Yeah gotta be some trade offs otherwise the class would be giga busted if it blended melee and ranged

[calm aurora]

I need to try despacito at some point yeah but I have too much fun with rampage

[flat mist]

Rampage vultures mark combo secretly op

[novel oracle]

interesting arbites name

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-pipebomb-throw-you-gif-8675931137970734740

[charred bronze]

I was killed about 30m ago by double silent bursters popping out of a doorway and instantly blowing up without a hop. No tick, nothing. Just "oh hi mark" BOOM . . BOOM

[fast gust]

Telling this to the steam rage mob will be disastrous

[vast yoke]

I've been in bursters literal face spamming push and none of them registering lately it's so weird.

[novel oracle]

i mean most dr is TDR which most classes dont have enough to prevent it breaking leading to the full break through dealing full damage

[obsidian crown]

But no. What do I’ve been noticing more so than bursters this update are dogs. Some of them don’t even pause and look at you before leaping. They just straight up leap right on spawn

[plucky nymph]

UUUU don’t LOOK THERE

[ancient basin]

yeah I avoid doors on scum because the bursters sometimes just detonate inside the door while it is closed, damaging me through the geometry

[toxic dagger]

not new behavior either

[hot moth]

does this talent buff dot damage

[fast gust]

Not new

[sturdy linden]

it's not the deaths, it's the fact that even if you're not in Rampage or Despacito, bursters are jumping from WAY outside push range and blowing us up

[hot moth]

if I keep up x5 relentless strikes on a boss, does that give me +50% damage on the DOT

[sturdy linden]

yeah dogs too

[obsidian crown]

I haven’t played in a few months and they never did this before

[sturdy linden]

dogs don't do their wind-ups, they just jump

[sinful matrix]

woah wait there's a mod that shows burster radius now?

[obsidian crown]

Did they change it? If so, dumb change

[sinful matrix]

neat

[vast yoke]

they're so fucked rn the only thing I can suggest is to spam push before they even jump at you and half of the time that stops them. it might just be me but their push timing is completely fucked too, way earlier than a few patches ago

[fast gust]

They did, after their rework

[charred bronze]

Few days ago I had a dog run into me and pin. No leap, no pause. There were paws though

[fast gust]

So about 2 years ago

[obsidian crown]

No they never did this before

Don’t gaslight me

[haughty slate]

Wait... Dogs got a rework?

[novel oracle]

no its only melee

[obsidian crown]

I’m a very visual person being deaf myself and they did not do this before

[fast gust]

I have clips of dog jumping off walls during patch 6

To tackle you

[novel oracle]

like in one of my runs i posted during the embargo drop, a burster jumps from here

[obsidian crown]

Not what I’m talking about

[sturdy linden]

that is actually absurd lol

[plucky nymph]

Ive had a lot of bursters get bounced forward with no dog involvement or anything

[charred bronze]

I mean, I started avoiding doors now definitely, yeah

[haughty slate]

I also have had times where I will hit a dog, get the hitmarker, and it just doesn't care and bites my ass

[random shuttle]

maybe something changed with how servers handle lag / latency? Not anything with enemies or their behavior

[toxic dagger]

are you in desperado?

[fast gust]

But dogs have had, since their old behaivor was changed, both a 'pounce' and a 'run' jump

[ancient basin]

every player model got replaced with the ogryn hit box profile

[novel oracle]

at the very end of it

[toxic dagger]

this is what the theory was talking about. that burster looks further away than it actually is because of desperado fov effect.

[novel oracle]

https://youtu.be/n0ad4laAflI?si=FCu1uq-U5Rk7nEIX&t=1663

[toxic dagger]

(if that's accurate)

[vast yoke]

tbh I think it's not a code issue but a server issue. It's weirdly most common on North America East and EU for me with NAWest being more stable even though I'm European

[fast gust]

It's the reason some of us push on the run jump timing first then dodge and push on pounce timing

[obsidian crown]

They’ve always stood still before jumping before

[haughty slate]

I'm gonna get to bed. Nighty night Tiders! Emprah bless!

[fast gust]

Got a feeling all of the hitbox issues are packet loss related

[obsidian crown]

You can’t gaslight me out of this. Sorry

[toxic dagger]

server shenanigans are always possible

[charred bronze]

It's not consistent, probably hard to reproduce. Tell QA to get in there and play and not to run automated testing >.>

I kid. I hope your qa team isn't just doing at

[vast yoke]

yeah same here

[mint fable]

Has anyone tried out the shredder autopistol?

[tropic crag]

? running leaps are their norm, sometimes they do stand still then leap tho

[mint fable]

What blessings to put on it

[high gull]

Hit reg has been fucked from my experience since the update.

[fast gust]

Someone tell him? I can't be the only one to remember

You either have been extremely lucky or you haven't faced dogs enough times

[toxic dagger]

"nuh uh" ok thank you for your input

[high gull]

Getting delayed hitmarkers.

[charred bronze]

Whatever it is, it's been intermittently brutal and frustrating, but it is different from normal

[sacred estuary]

Anyone have thoughts on Desperado with double barreled shotgun? Meme-y build?

[vast yoke]

hey besides that has anyone else been one shot by captains from full health before? seemingly it happens when they do their shield pulse and you're against a wall and you just get instagibbed. is this even intended?

[near vapor]

I got some rubber banding yesterday 💀

[toxic dagger]

ALSO there are definitely performance problems, I was getting 50-80fps on Low settings on GFN Ultimate

fucking enterprise-tier cloud rigs with a 4080

[near vapor]

ya boy being stretched tf out like he's about to enter a black hole

[toxic dagger]

24gb vram

50 FPS????

fuck outta here.

[woeful hill]

Your position is being resycned for some reason and if something happened before (teleports from bells, insta Downs from havoc, ledged, etc). It will resynch you to the spot you died at. And you take all that distance in fall damage

My theory

That's why it goes through toughness

[dire badge]

Darktide in general is broken en. Like posbursters bursting before they're ripe. And crusher overheads having homing systems. And the thicker hotboxes than normal.

[woeful hill]

It's just fall damage

[fast gust]

Atleast you didn't get out of memoried

[limber cradle]

They fucked something this update, I can't play more than like 2 games in a row without having to restart

[clever wren]

The old VT2 instant death glitch, that was a classic

[hot moth]

Optimal desperado weapon IMO

Take both escalating damage as you shoot perks, notably the crit one, which makes Vulture's Dodge INSANELY consistent compared to DAP as you get to shoot for longer without downtime

[toxic dagger]

can't relate to crushers or hitboxes being different

[woeful hill]

@vast yoke to collect more data, did you get insta killed before the captain killed you

[hot moth]

with a higher crit rate

[fast gust]

Crushers have always had tracking overheads.

[toxic dagger]

I played a tauntgryn on CIVI with a pickaxe last night

so I was dodging crushers and maulers left and right

[hot moth]

you effectively get desperado dodge for longer bursts, long enough for you to plan around

[toxic dagger]

everything worked as normal

[vast yoke]

honestly they're okay, i tried them a bunch and they do help vs ragers noticeably but they feel weaker vs gunners

[woeful hill]

Could be twins bell skip, ledged, insta killed by havoc overhead

[dire badge]

Yeah but you can still dodge it near last second, I've had it multiple times where they change course dtull

[hot moth]

I feel like the crusher overheads are "bigger', same as burster/barrle explosions

you're more likely to get clipped by one aimed at someone else

if they're tracking you in particular though there's no changes

[fast gust]

Maybe dodge recovery is karking you? It's iffy overall because the game was clearly not designed to deal with that

[spice cloud]

Never ever take ur eyes of tha crusher

[fleet lantern]

What are you guys running for perks/blessings on your shivs?

[dire badge]

Maybe there it then cus I swear I dodge out of it

[spice cloud]

Thats rule number 1

[fast gust]

That or packet loss

[fast gust]

People not pinging crushers:

[hot moth]

You shouldn't be dodging "out" of it

Only timing should matter

[dire badge]

Now I'm just perfect blocking crushers like the Chad I am (if there's two crushers doing it at the same time in cooked)

[hot moth]

You can dodge overheads into a wall as long as your timingis good

[spice cloud]

U cant rely on teammates thats a skill issue

[dire badge]

I dodge at the right time as I always have been but sometimes I still get overclipped

[spice cloud]

U gotta allways have ur eyes on that crusher

[vast yoke]

it wasn't just me. to be honest it only happened twice to me and a few times to my gf and friends. it seems to consistently happen when you're against a wall and the power sword captain while holding out power sword does the initial pulse before going for a multi swipe rampage but honestly im just guessing cus half the time we're just "what the fuck it happened again"

[dire badge]

I swear I'm still getting clipped

[fast gust]

Yes instead let me just install psykernautics so i can see the crusher among crushers

[sacred estuary]

Precog and Riposte for blessings. Carapace and Maniac for perks.

[vast yoke]

also usually the captain isn't even aggroing the person who gets instagibbed lmao

[woeful hill]

But they never went down or died before it happened?

[vast yoke]

no almost always they're full health. they don't even get downed just instagibbed

which is the most bizarre

[fleet lantern]

Yeah, I just saw the pinned post after asking, lol. Glad my instincts were good on the blessings.

[vast yoke]

cus you can go OOB with chaos spawn all the time and be "fine"

[dire badge]

Agro on twins weird too, a lt was kicking my ass all the way to Sunday and they suddenly changed targets to jump a teammate 1v1int the Lt gunner

[vast yoke]

tbh it never happened on twins with us but with the generic power sword cap

I rlly doubt we can be so unlucky as to have been the only ones to notice this

[dire badge]

I haven't experienced the instant gib myself. Only aggro issues when it comes to bosses.

[vast yoke]

idk its super rare. a lot rarer than the randomly disconnecting for 2 minutes while every enemy is floating bug

which we get like twice daily

we gotta stop playing on NAE

[dire badge]

My gripe is unriped posbursters bursting before they should and crusher overheads clipping me when they shouldn't mid dodge

[vast yoke]

yeah i get those too

[dire badge]

Yeah disconnecting bug while enemies float I get too

[high gull]

I legit think this is all because the servers FS are using are just fucking gibbed atm.

Probably shitting itself due to server load from the new class release

[lavish sphinx]

i fixed the toughness branch

[mint fable]

I like that

[rustic axle]

this game dont wanna give me the good saw

[dire badge]

I swear with hivesucm weapons the stats balances are harder to get

[rustic axle]

im just pissed off because its the one hive scum weapon ive yet to get the perfect balance on

[high gull]

That bottom branch is fucking nuts

[rustic axle]

and every time it procs, it's not mobility

its usually first target or finesse

[tropic crag]

took me like 4 rolls to get them the last i did

[high gull]

Crate removes corruption from current bar, if you apply healing onto that with a crate spam build.

You'd be fucking immortal

[young herald]

as far as I can tell, most of what people are complaining about is just the servers being shit under the load from all the people playing scum + the free weekend.

I def think bursters are fucked rn though; it's hard to pinpoint exactly what the issue is, especially given the aforementioend server issues, but there's definitely something throwing off the vibe since the patch

[lavish sphinx]

imoortal...powered by stims

[hot moth]

yeah you cannot put a hard HP heal onto a cooldown

sorry

lol

[fleet lantern]

Me with more god rolls on my scum weapons than anything else I've played.

[young herald]

lots of ignored shoves and hits from what should have been safe distances, etc

[hot moth]

it needs to somehow be linked to enemy spawns or performance

[random shuttle]

Mr. E says Desperado skill serves no purpose.

[hot moth]

not just "a timer, I guess"

[random shuttle]

[young herald]

mr e also says desperado needs a buff

[lavish sphinx]

i couldn't think of anything stimmy that wasn't just healing

[hot moth]

tbh with a shredder autopistol and vulture's dodge? true

[young herald]

some people shouldn't be allowed a tongue

[lavish sphinx]

that also keeps you alive

[hot moth]

the ranged immunty feature is almost entirely eclipsed by vulture's dodge + shredder

[high gull]

Healing def isn't the move.

[hot moth]

(it's still VERY good for other builds though, like DAP)

[high gull]

Even tho I'd welcome it.

I know just how easily it can be abused.

[lavish sphinx]

how long is base stim duration anyway

[hot moth]

in order for a class to be balanced around white HP healing even on just itself it'd have to have like

50 HP

[lavish sphinx]

i mean if you play completely lame it will break it

[hot moth]

and then have class features that heal it back up

[high gull]

With the proper tree set up

15 seconds

[lavish sphinx]

but it's not an iwin button

[young herald]

cartel special is 15s, 20 if you take the +5 talent

[high gull]

Sample collector

You can drop 2 boxes if you get a dense enough horde

So yeah mate

That shit would be nutter

Imagine having two crates down both cleansing corruption AND healing

[vast yoke]

im at work pooping rn so i can't check but how is the cknife on this class anyway

[high gull]

While applying toughness

[young herald]

it's fine

[lavish sphinx]

uhhh flat 50% damage reduction then

print it

[young herald]

works a lot like knife zealot without stealth but with more damage

[lavish sphinx]

25%

idk numbers

[high gull]

Let's see

[vast yoke]

might be fun on desperado for the movement speed and anti elite tbh

[young herald]

i maintain desperado should be reworked into giving you 160ish degree sprint dodge cones instead of immunity

[high gull]

You get 4 -4% damage taken nodes right?

So thats

25% + 16%

If it's additive

[young herald]

for the top left stim tree, you don't want DR

DR, toughness, etc are all the wrong way to go with the stim

top left tree should be movement speed and dodge stats

[high gull]

I enjoy the toughness bump

It's kept me and the randos alive

[vast yoke]

i wish they gave us more weapons like the bone saw with inherent dot maybe a syringe knife or smth

[high gull]

Cause no one has toughness generating talents

FOR SOME REASON

[young herald]

they give you a talent to apply dots

(relatedly, that talent is funny with the chaxe)

[lavish sphinx]

i was wondering why there wasn't celerity nodes in the tree but hive scum already zooms pretty good

[vast yoke]

ooh? the one with sweeping heavies or the one with noodle lights

[fleet lantern]

Oh yeah, how many stacks of DoTs can you apply on one target? Shredder would be nutty if there's no limit.

[high gull]

Bottom tree is stam related is it not?

[limber cradle]

I would kill for a sprint in any direction node like it's payday 2 lmfao

[high gull]

Dottom left.

[limber cradle]

I understand that would be viciously op but goddamn it'd feel good

[high gull]

[lavish sphinx]

it's kinda celerity flavoured but without movespeed it feels off

[fleet lantern]

It would make getting that damn Reaper penance a lot easier.

It's the only one I'm missing in that tree.

[young herald]

scum survivability is intrinsically tied to movement, so the survivability branch of the stimm should focus on making better movement. I'd probably go with reducing dodge cooldown as the primary factor and sprint speed as the secondary, and then the keystone would be a choice between infinite dodges and longer slides

[limber cradle]

Took me the longest in that subsection too fwiw

[high gull]

I dunno why but I can feel this becoming knife zealot 2.0

[hardy spruce]

lowk with the current talent balancing rampage might be the play, what does desperado give you that you can't already get by choosing vulture's dodge and pickpocket?

[delicate flume]

Best dump stat and blessings for the crowbar? Getting through leveling everything and its my last

[young herald]

as many as you can crit it before it dies; i think it's a 30 stack max for toxin, but pretty much everything dies long before you get anywhere near that

[high gull]

People basically running CDR and speed stimms to speedrunning maps

[young herald]

mk4 is the superior chaxe

[fleet lantern]

I feel like that one and the Ogryn Gone Bowling one are going to be the last ones I manage to finish, lol.

[vast yoke]

kinda wish scryers gaze let you do that on psyker since thematically i always thought of that shit as sandevistan

[fleet lantern]

Wild.

[sacred estuary]

Defence is dump stat

[vast yoke]

isn't that the one with a 5 cleave limit tho

[limber cradle]

SG doesnt need to be stronger

[vast yoke]

oh for sure

[limber cradle]

I don't even bother with Og tbh

[fleet lantern]

Over mobility?

[fleet lantern]

It's my first love.

[limber cradle]

Big time, when are you ever blocking?

[high gull]

Gone bowling should be easier on a high shock

[young herald]

yeah, it's got a 4 target damage cap on heavies, but that's what the toxin is for

[sacred estuary]

You should not be blocking, but dodging with Hive Scum

[vast yoke]

yeah defense kinda doesn't do anything for it. it's not even block related lmao it's sprint stamina consumption and push stamina cost

[fleet lantern]

When the plague ogryn wants to stomp on me.

[limber cradle]

Back dash back dash, dash in, swing

[vast yoke]

hm interesting, slaughterer + headtaker or whatever that talent is called

[vast yoke]

tbf that's the case for 99% of builds even on shieldgryn, blocking is just kinda bad most of the time

[young herald]

this is what I run. I want to swap the defense and mobility on it, but brunt hasn't been cooperating

[vast yoke]

hm, stamina? isn't weapon stamina deceptively bad, since a +3 stamina curio actually gives you +6 stamina bars due to a holdover from vt2 code

while +2 weapon stamina is like a +1 curio

[young herald]

it gives 2 more stacks for this, and the thing doesn't really need more damage

[rustic lava]

I've noticed sometimes if you are aiming you can glitch the cartel special to be allowed to administer it to someone else

[vast yoke]

yeah that checks out, i think rashad has a similar issue on scum

[flat mist]

It's not additive

[young herald]

definitely a decent argument for swapping the stamina for whatever else, but I like it

[woeful trellis]

i usually block captains and twins as shieldgryn (ideally with my back to a corner) because it keeps them super predictable/aligned in one direction, cuz i think melee twin's multiple slashes attack has a blind spot on her back but if she turns to track a side dodge she can clip someone who's getting greedy behind her. sometimes captain overhead can also unexpectedly clip someone on the very edge of its aoe while tracking a side dodge

[fleet lantern]

I also like to block > dodge > swing against ragers when I don't have much room. I'll see if I can get my hands on another crowbar and give it a whack, though.

[vast yoke]

I'll try it out, I've actually been using the alternate chaxe on scum because the wet noodle lights become hilariously strong on it when Rampage power stacking

[high gull]

We were talking about a theoretical change to the tree so we wouldn't know unless it got added.

[woeful trellis]

ofc the ideal situation would be nobody getting greedy, but better safe than sorry

[flat mist]

It's never additive

[night wind]

How do i do the "stimmed" penance? I was at max chem dependancy for the whole match using my stims and i got no progress

[young herald]

yeah, the mk12 isn't bad at all, but I find the moveset restrictive, for lack of a better term, and also brainless, so I much prefer the 4

what i really want is the super secret chaxe mark that will likely never see the light of day though

[vast yoke]

yeah i hate its single target combos. funnily enough hivescums near insta stamina regen means you can actually PA spam with no pause even while dodge spamming on it but i usually L-H-PA to maintain attack speed. I like the mk4 lights way more

[delicate snow]

hey does stim supply give you a stack of stim dependency if it uses your stim?

[vast yoke]

I just want the mk3 shock maul moveset on a chaxe

[delicate snow]

stim stim stim

[young herald]

it does not. It should, but it does not

[delicate snow]

that's baloney

thank you

[fleet lantern]

This one, right? Using the the supply crate doesn't give you a stack, fwiw.

[flat mist]

You need to let your stacks expire before the end of the mission (I was told)

[vast yoke]

not yet, it probably will be added in like 1-60 weeks

[fleet lantern]

Really?

[flat mist]

That's what someone else in here said, yeah

[vast yoke]

maybe that's being generous make that 150

[young herald]

i just want this

[night wind]

Im not using the crate im using the stimm lab stimms

[vast yoke]

oh what's this? a chaxe hidden in code?

[fleet lantern]

Just making sure. Sounds like you need to let your stacks expire before the mission ends, according to Irosk.

[young herald]

something I made with this mode I also made https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/648

[vast yoke]

ooh I've never heard of this mod that's really cool

[vast yoke]

it's kinda funny how similar that is to the mk3 smaul too 😭 geeked minds think alike

mk3 smaul is so fun when you realise the horde clear combo isn't H-L

PA-H-L-L spamming mk3 feels so good i know that shit is probably objectively worse haha

I forgot if that's the combo I'm at work watching YouTube

[young herald]

lol

[young herald]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuw8NxneXWk&t=31s honestly, my favorite part of that chaxe is at 0:32 of this

i want it so bad

[vast yoke]

ohhh you made it into a pseudo relic blade

that's so sick

[calm aurora]

I went from 90 fps in october to 60-ish

[lusty lichen]

All of the scums using blinders and hoarding all of the grenade got to my nerve now...

[young herald]

no

they're my grenades

[tropic crag]

honestly, after playing more rampage/toxin it feels like all cannon and no glass

like its not super super tanky, but its not super fragile either

[high gull]

Tox in general is just cannon

Especially them chem nades

Just

[young herald]

yeah, toxin is just badly overtuned rn

[high gull]

Fuck everything in that general area

[young herald]

the dot itself needs to be dialed back a couple notches

and chem grenade needs to be nuked hard

[woeful hill]

Fatshark challenge to not add another broken dot

[calm aurora]

they will dial back the adm probably

[woeful hill]

Impossible

Looks at SotT

[flat mist]

being able to shoot a couple of darts then start meleeing my target and maintain them at max while its ticking for 600+ is nuts

[woeful hill]

Looks at Soulblaze

Looks at toxin

[high gull]

I mean seeing how it's a paid class, nerfing it will cause a another shitfest

I'm sure they don't wanna deal with

[calm aurora]

sometimes the target dies before I can melee it

inacceptable

[flat mist]

well i mainly meant montrosities

[drifting heron]

Dialing back adms would be bad, they're high to offset rending/brittleness
Base damage would be a better thing to drop

[young herald]

i expect in another 3-6 months, we'll have toxin base damage cut by 10-30% and adms adjusted based on how much that was reduced, and both chem grenade and hyper-violence will have reasonable caps on their output in place

like chem nade will prob get capped at 8-12 stacks per target, and hyperviolence at like 900 damage

[fervent gust]

On a crowbar, is it better to have 60 mobility or 60 defenses?

[young herald]

and hopefully desperado will get reworked to not turn half the game off

[tropic crag]

could probably just add a soft cap instead of a hard cap tbh

[calm aurora]

and the darktide community will still be splintered between the proletarian tannerites and the toxic playtesting clique around the balance of laser weapons for the admech class

[young herald]

defenses, probably. Defenses just means it costs slightly more stamina to push and sprint, while mobility has ameaningful impact on movement speed

[drifting heron]

Probably mob dump

The stamina increase to push is larger than the dodge distance hit

[high gull]

Balance in this game will always be a never ending mess.

[young herald]

the difference is minor enough it doesn't really matter though, like with most weapons

[drifting heron]

1.4-1.8 versus like .95 to .92

[high gull]

But I am in the game that if someone isn't max level.

Please

For the love of god

[fast gust]

I'm pretty happy with balance currently, I expected worse

[high gull]

Shut the fuck up about balance

[calm aurora]

bring back darktide classic

[high gull]

I don't wanna hear nothing from no fucking level 12 about balance

Or some hard stuck heresy gamer

"Oh this shit is insane man"

Brother

You only play malice

Sit the fuck down please

[fast gust]

'Trappers are broken and shouldn't shoot through elites'

[young herald]

yeah, scum's in a pretty reasonable spot. It's got a handful of outliers in both directions, but for the most part it landed in a good spot

[sturdy linden]

Were you around when the general chat leak happened earlier

[high gull]

I was not, what happened?

[bronze glade]

just has a bunch of shit that needs to be fixed, but good balance-wise imo

[sturdy linden]

We had turdballs in this chat claiming how anything above damnation is unfun and people who play that should just be gone from the game

It was really funny

[tropic crag]

dodges are broken, they should automatically know i don't want to get stuck on the piece of the map and die

[lilac schooner]

true

[fast gust]

Damn shame I wanted to summon the mean Lumi spirit or the Frog funny

[fleet lantern]

I feel a little stuck at Damnation, how fucked am I?

[high gull]

Banned

[wide bramble]

why ppl gotta be like that

[tropic crag]

oh the auric should be removed person? lol

[sturdy linden]

You can climb out given time and practice

I did

[fast gust]

'Bring back auto dodge mod'

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/bernie-mac-smh-gif-27571314

[fleet lantern]

What if it's because I keep ending up in matches where I'm literal inches away from clearing a horde enough to revive my other three teammates?

[high gull]

They're banned aswell.

[fleet lantern]

My last two I've gotten to the very end, only to end up the last one standing and get nabbed by a rogue trapper.

[tropic crag]

just keep focusing on learning how to do things on auto, that way you can free up your brain to make good clean choices during the fights

[high gull]

But nah in all seriousness, it takes some serious levels of patience to deal with high difficulty pubs.

[north plank]

I had a dream where a pub psyker YouTuber learned how to use his melee weapon in the middle of a match

[high gull]

That shit can test a saint's patience

[fleet lantern]

Yeah, I've been trying to focus on making sure I can clear hordes on autopilot so I can focus on positioning and priority targets.

[tropic crag]

naw, high difficulty pubs are really chill and easy, because as long as two of you don't fall over its normally just a win

[wide bramble]

Im still trying to learn how to die less as hive scum 😩

[tropic crag]

so you just gotta be one of the two

[high gull]

That's a hard dice roll on who you get tho.

[fleet lantern]

I failed a Clandestum Gloriana where my other three teammates were all melee psykers running brain burst.

[near vapor]

ay brotha

they already pissed off that FS made it

a skill gate character

[wide bramble]

always a rogue bullet getting my ass from far away

[sturdy linden]

[near vapor]

like the leveling experience for me is fine

but I was surprised people are struggling to do it 💀

[high gull]

I was tossed into the deep end, aurics at level 6

[tropic crag]

i only play qp and wins in auric and maelstrom are very high, like its like 9 out of 10 games go smoothly, its the same as vt2 cata

[high gull]

Shit was not fun

[near vapor]

trial by fire

[high gull]

Yeah but I did get better

[fleet lantern]

Cleared all objectives, ran up top and hit the button, the valkyrie landed - and all three went down at the same time. I should have just left, but my dumb ass went back to try and clear horde and revive and I got nailed by a trapper as soon as I made space. T_T

[high gull]

By like level 8 I was clearing small hordes with a crowbar

Then immedately got shwacked by a rager pack

[fleet lantern]

Auric at 6 feels like it'd be impossible, good lord.

[sturdy linden]

If the Valk has landed then you run and let them rot, ALWAYS

[wide bramble]

yeah been there

[tropic crag]

ragers require a special touch lol

[fleet lantern]

That's what I'm doing next time, lmao.

[high gull]

That's where 1k+ hours of sloptide experience comes into place

[neat delta]

Thoughts on the rocket launcher?

[tropic crag]

its fun

not super great but fun

[fleet lantern]

Big badaboom. It's a ton of fun to nuke a little pack of crushers. Buuuut, the chem grenade is probably better for DPS and the blinder is probably better for CC.

[high gull]

Chem nades exist, so I never bothered to try it.

[sturdy linden]

Is really high damage but you need a team that wont need grenade pickups so you can hog them all

[fleet lantern]

Yeah, that's been my experience.

[high gull]

I cry when the vet on the team doesn't rock field improv

My soul dies a bit even

[fleet lantern]

Chem grenade is the same way, but it lasts so long that you get a lot more value out of it.

[sturdy linden]

Chem grenade is just broken OP

Rocket Launcher is high single target

[fleet lantern]

Rocket launcher is superior for monsters and bosses, imo.

But chem grenade is a lot more versatile.

[neat delta]

Hive Scum really does not feel squishy

Not now for me at least.

Not with my build

I just completed a havoc 20

[fleet lantern]

Are you running Burst of Energy and Tis But A Scratch?

[neat delta]

Good point.

Yeah.

lmao

[ember folio]

die standing

[neat delta]

Those two basically give you toughness similar to other classes.

[spark gyro]

Uranium pellets

[fleet lantern]

Those two nodes completely turned around my survivability. I've got them on all my builds.

[flat mist]

not even close

[neat delta]

Along w the 3 fucking 20% gunner damage resistances I have on my curios

Eh I feel I survive super well

Just

my

fucking teammates can't be assed not to shoot pox bursters

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-gif-25786536

[neat delta]

Awful

Get this outta my sight

[fleet lantern]

Lmao, for DPS. I run blinder for the funny staggers.

[winter tusk]

Animals died for this smh

[calm aurora]

the asshole move

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

[ashen hamlet]

Do you wanna explode everything in a 15m radius?

[winter tusk]

Ariana grande eating wings

[calm aurora]

they honestly should not have put them at the bottom

[neat delta]

ye

[forest escarp]

then take chem nade lol

[near vapor]

that woman

switches races every year

like she got a personality scourge in the mourningstar

[fast gust]

It can't be healthy

[fleet lantern]

I mean, if they become mandatory for clear, they might move them higher up. I'm not sure they should be down in a keystone, personally.

[random shuttle]

Posers.

Everyone knows that anything above Malice is unfun.

[winter tusk]

She's tryna get 0% bodyfat

[random shuttle]

so, dead?

[winter tusk]

[random shuttle]

"Hey chat today I am attempting Life Any% speedrun"

[fast gust]

Scummers

It's official

[neat delta]

Bitches complaining I see

[fast gust]

worst class

Fatshark gonna cater to the whine babies

[winter tusk]

Game 2 hard

[fast gust]

[winter tusk]

Too relevant

[near vapor]

piss toughness brainrot

[fleet lantern]

Did this guy not realize you maintain uptime on 2/3 abilities by killing things?

[winter tusk]

Im choking on water

Wrong hole

[neat delta]

I think a lot of these reviews aren't fully leveled/struggles with talent tree?

[random shuttle]

The damage Vibetubers do to this game is phenomenal

[fleet lantern]

I feel like I get more ability value out of scum skills than other classes.

[hot moth]

what i'm enjoying most on despacito scum is the fact that I get rewarded for actively shooting every special

[near vapor]

everywhere I go

[hot moth]

because that's something so many pugs just don't do

[near vapor]

in this server

[fast gust]

96% of the reviews are from day 1

[hot moth]

three flamers actively cooking one side of the fight

[near vapor]

someone has to bring up the tannenberg

[hot moth]

every pug just fucking ignoring them

[winter tusk]

Lots of people who cry because the game is skill based and scum isn't brainless arbitrator

[random shuttle]

Vibetubers: "Why is Darktide dying?"
Also Vibetubers: "NEVER BUY DARKTIDE ITS SHIT RAAAAAH I LOVE THIS GAME"

[neat delta]

My favorite ability right now is Rampage

I feel like a human shredder with it

[hot moth]

rampage being not one but two shouts is pretty awesome

[winter tusk]

People also just love to review bomb fatshark just because of their bad track record

[fast gust]

Don't worry, your high skill floor gameplay will be nerfed to cater to the ignorant majority

[hot moth]

the second shout has saved me so many times

[fleet lantern]

That second stagger has saved runs for me before.

[fast gust]

Another game ruined by the gamers of nowadays, I'll go back to minesweeper at this rate

[fleet lantern]

Knocks hounds off.

[lapis raft]

the rampage shout modifier is best rampage modifier out of all of them and its not even remotely close imo :d

[winter tusk]

And the best part is the large majority of them will get stomped anyway

[fast gust]

Yep and quit in 2 weeks

[winter tusk]

We must cater to shitters

WHY CANT I WALK THROUGH HAVOC 40 WITHOUT TRYING REEEEEE

[hot moth]

they really do need to rework the entire chem-support side of the tree though

[lapis raft]

and especially with how dumb are bursters right now if i have no other choice just pretending im veteran and pushing them away works well enough

[near vapor]

I dont use the shout stagger on rampage

[hot moth]

like everything there is busted

despacito scum is great

[fast gust]

Worst thing is, when they come here and drop shit like https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/443635258966147072/1440450956247433408/image.png?ex=693891fe&is=6937407e&hm=7476ba6576d272f57766a3641427900dc1304bba82e46c15a931fdc0b91c1fe7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
And then you remind thme they said that, they run off lmao

No matter your logical points, no matter your video evidence, they don't care, it is their belief that the class is bad

[hot moth]

rampage scum is playable

chem-scum is an RP meme

[charred bronze]

Just go up to auric, stick with your squad, take your cues from them. When it's not an actual event, Damnation is tougher ime because players aren't as good at positioning and shit. More running around, lagging behind, not pushing forward fast enough so you get disabler chains. Also people occasionally show up underleveled, under geared, etc.

Event missions on auric are definitely harder just cuz the intensity goes way WAY up.

[lapis raft]

if busted means non functional with actual dot builds then i agree :d

[fleet lantern]

I've gotta unlock Auric first.

[winter tusk]

Honestly playing auric sets you up to have to clutch lol

[hot moth]

yeah busted bad

nonfunctional

[lapis raft]

also they need to make stimm supply just copy stimm like the goddamn ability says

[hot moth]

like chem box not giving you dependency, needing specifically a melee kill on toxed opponents instead of just "close range kill" for the toughness, dotted enemies not returning blinders

[lapis raft]

so i can actually use it with chem dependency withotu feeling terrible about my life

[fast gust]

idk I'm on average increasing my ally dps output by 200-300k in exchange of just having 150k less damage, only issue is not working with dependency and the timed bomb been...hard to use in the context of darktide itself and the blinder issue of course

[hot moth]

as politely as I can, I severely doubt your stim is making that much of an impact

It's not that good

[neat delta]

I did buy it on launch

[fast gust]

The average is on 10 games for now with and without, we'll get more refined data as I get more itme with the group

[neat delta]

and I have everything for it already

[hot moth]

how much of that boosted team damage

[lapis raft]

i kinda like when someone brings stimm supply the corruption cleansing and immunity is nice

[hot moth]

is because you're shirking DPS load onto your teammates

[analog hazel]

so what's the deal with the alchemist penance
cause my ass just did like a 40 minute mission making sure I had full chem stacks the entire time and the game is still saying I haven't had 2000 seconds of max stacks yet

[hot moth]

as opposed to actively bffing them

[torpid cloud]

I swear, once upon a time a simple shove and dodge backwards was enough to safely detonate a burster

[lapis raft]

but you are basically playing giga cuck build when doing it or pretending your stimm box is shitty grenade

and that just feels bad

[fast gust]

I'm loosing 150-200k damage on average which is well worht a net 600k damage increase on the team

[hot moth]

think about that for a bit

why is your team actually getting more damage

[winter tusk]

Idk how good the stim is, but look how much FGS does with someone sharing it to me

[hot moth]

because the whole damn mission is taking longer

because you're not pulling as much weight yourself

[fast gust]

cooldown uptime is much more useful so I didn't go harder on rending

[fleet lantern]

From what I understand, you have to make sure your stacks expire before exiting the match.

[analog hazel]

what?????

[hot moth]

if you're actually buffing properly

team damage should be about the same AND your damage should be lower because you're flying through the mission

if your total damage is bigger

[fleet lantern]

I'm echoing what I've heard here. I was able to complete it just fine.

[near vapor]

you need to let your 3rd stack of chem dependency lose a stack before reapplying stimm for the penance to progress. its bugged rn

[hot moth]

then the missino is taking too long

[warm cypress]

Hive scum when I'm doing good = Yippee guns go brrr, spam left click yay weee
Hive scum when I see a horde of crushers or get dinked by a single special I didn't see = 💀

[hot moth]

and it could be getting done faster if you were blazing through enemies and objectives yourself

[winter tusk]

Idk crusher hordes usually delete for my scum

[warm cypress]

I'm a rocket launcher hater

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-5974738887591429216

I dont use rocket

[wide bramble]

ppl need to be better at looking behind them, got a group of crushers and even pinged - teammates still moved forward 💀

[hot moth]

despacito scum has some trouble on crusher packs but they're still so ridiculously good at killing everything else

[young herald]

no need for a rocket launcher, just a good ol reliable chain axe

[winter tusk]

Rocket only hits 1 crusher at a time unless youre running chem build anyway, it just deals splash damage to the surrounding ones

[warm cypress]

And not my funny new crowbar?

[forest escarp]

0 damage 0 damage 0 fuckin damage
get netted after my dodge was bodyblocked by a random dickhead zombie
dead before i even hit the ground
play it again sam.

[lusty lichen]

If you run desperado, just remember to bring some anti armour melee, simple.

Knife or shives are great to do that.

[near vapor]

chem grenade is so overtuned is not even funny to use anymore

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[fast gust]

What is the logic behind this

Like how do you reach such levels of brainrot

[warm cypress]

Literally just better zealot fire grenade

Like 5x better

[hot moth]

because spawn rates are roughly correleated with mission timer and nothing else

[lusty lichen]

Only 5? Pump those numbers up.

[wide bramble]

I like the satisfying rotter explosions

[fast gust]

YOu are increasing ally dps, they can deal with more shit, you deal with less, how is that increasing timers?

[hot moth]

"you giving up damage to buff everyone else's damage" by much more doesn't mean a damn thing

it just means the whole mission lasted that much more damage/longer

[warm cypress]

Nerf the tox grenade, buff the aoe tox needle pistol damage

imo

[winter tusk]

Mfw glass cannon is made of glass

[fast gust]

The completion times are roughly the same.

[hot moth]

like a hypothetical mission might be 500K x4 across the board

if now the board read 100K + 1Mx3

that's not a support build buffing the team and being awesome

that's the whole damn mission being 50% longer than it could have been

[lusty lichen]

Nerf the chem can, buff the fking rocket launcher.

Rocket is currently Krak without any buff synergy.

[warm cypress]

Rocket launcher only has 2 shots right? That's kinda criminal when you think about krak

[winter tusk]

Rocket launcher is fine imo, but it should have some very long regen that you cant shortcut

[tropic crag]

toxin nade could do alot less damage and still be really good lol

[lusty lichen]

Vet can get a basket of krak without picking up anything.

[dense hollow]

people just wanna use rocket launcher on monstrosities for some reason instead of using it on bulwark walls

[warm cypress]

Give rocket ammo when you pick up ammo bags 😎 It's literally a weapon so why not

[fleet lantern]

Tbf, it deletes somewhere between 33% and 50% of their health bar.

[glacial gyro]

This is the best use. Not monstrosities. Not even crusher packs. Blowing open bulwark walls.

[winter tusk]

Kraks have like no blast radius, they're single target mostly, rocket hits a pack of gunners and deletes everything

[fast gust]

If the difference between support and no support is a total dps increase of about 600k, with a loss of 150-200k with barely any time difference across 10 missions, the missions aren't taking enough to warrant such an increase because of time.

I do believe you are sleeping on the cooldown utility it has, I could go harder on the dps part but so far ult cooldown is allowing for occasionaly faster clears due to VoC spam

[lusty lichen]

In auric, you don't even do 1/5 of Porgryn hp...

[hot moth]

I play smite support and missions go faster, not shorter, because I know what needs smiting and what doesn't

the net damage on the team shouldn't be increasing that much

[zenith fern]

Summer enjoyers going to tell you that Winter season sucks

[lusty lichen]

Blast of rocket launcher is pitiful.

[hot moth]

if it is

[vast yoke]

anyone know what gunpla i should build next? thinking the nu

[hot moth]

you have dumped TOO MUCH responsibility onto your team

[random shuttle]

I hate winter

😄

[warm cypress]

Change nothing about rocket launcher, but add rocket jumping and watch the community be silent about it

[winter tusk]

Lol theres fall damage though

Break legs first time

[warm cypress]

Who cares, weeeee

[random shuttle]

Winter sucks ass.

[hot moth]

mission spawns are overall consistent with time; anything with masively inflated net damage is indicative of a problem

[glacial gyro]

the fix for rockets is secondary nodes, frag and krak missiles. Frag has more AOE damage, krak has no AOE damage and a shitload of damage onto the target it hits.

[flat mist]

Yeah sure its prescribed mate...

[hot moth]

how do we make a console-friendly interface for this though

weapon special when the rocket launcher is out?

[warm cypress]

Talent point off of the rocket choice

[winter tusk]

Can we bring up how those aren't scalpels, theyre scissors taken apart

[glacial gyro]

No, its literally like other classes have grenade nodes. Two nodes for the missiles. Picking one locks the other.

[dense hollow]

i think they mean extra talent nodes under the blitz

just like some blitzes have augment nodes

[flat mist]

i love it

[hot moth]

that just makes it into a point tax though

[zenith fern]

smart thought

That dog did not wanted to live any longer and I just laughed at it

[flat mist]

my dude looks like the sketchiest south london barber you'll ever meet

[hot moth]

also I just managed to mister president a net meant for another player

[vast yoke]

could make the hipfire be cluster bomb, the ADS has you loading a HEAT

[hot moth]

while getting thrown by a mutie

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/stab-future-gif-12598389

[hot moth]

(I died)

[winter tusk]

England gameplay

[lusty lichen]

That burn

[warm cypress]

You got your NumericUI working? New patch on nexusmods still doesn't work for me

[glacial gyro]

Making it that versatile would be a bad thing. Your blitz choice is deliberaly locked to dealing with one problem for a reason

[lusty lichen]

It doesn't do much really.

[vast yoke]

hi

[lethal quartz]

No do it for a crusher overhead that they dodged towards you with

[flat mist]

"You're a pretty young thing, aren't ya? Come in and Uncle Rosky will cut your hair "

[fast gust]

The main issues are as noted:

• Blinders not coming on dot kill
• The timed bomb part been hard to use due to a mediocre aoe range on top of the timer been on the long side, it's only really usable when you are pushed by mass armor/elites and forced to go back...but the dot is not the best on such cases either
• Dependency not working on it
• For some reason you occasionaly hold the ult instead of just dropping it even when tapping

Comparing it to smyker is a pretty bad idea, you are actively dealing with threats while your buffs are passively affecting anyone that comes remotely close and unlike nuncio it doesn't require staying on such, the only responsability you are dumping on your team is dealing more damage...from your own buffs.

THe damage numbers were done in Auric hi int to have about a 64-70% uptime on the ability which was pretty impresive, it just needs a few tweaks and as usual with support, you are relying on allies pulling their weight, not for pubs

[glacial gyro]

its always the water cartel being weirdos

[flat mist]

i'm a plant

that's why i like the water cartel

[vast yoke]

comparing anything to smyker is a bad idea because every other builds wins out due to actually being fun to play :-)

[zenith fern]

Could be other mods you might have but it numericUI works good for me, I updated it yesterday

[warm cypress]

I'll fiddle around with it then, suppose it is a me issue

[fast gust]

Numeric Ui was updated?

[zenith fern]

I tried to install back scoreboard and ovenproof but kept crashing

[fast gust]

Nice

[zenith fern]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/14

[frosty pumice]

Works for me with the new patch

[zenith fern]

Yes

[warm cypress]

See now I got that working fine, gotta grab the community patch one and in the post there's a scoreboard linked that works

[rotund agate]

Oh, you use that body cosmetic? I myself don’t exactly like it, because the combat harness one at least has some extra details on it…

But I do think this one has the most potential for a ”you are not wearing a body cosmetic” look due to how its just straps.

[random shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2VA5hXo6pw

[placid drum]

Best part about the theif harness is that it shows off the body/full body tats the best

[flat mist]

yeah as soon as i saw it on day one i knew what i was shooting for

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-rot-lil-nas-x-mpreg-pregnant-discord-gif-5991367321020313704

[near vapor]

mods can we ban keet

[hot moth]

what is wrong with you

[near vapor]

ME???

[placid drum]

This is when you call exterminatus

[spice cloud]

Yes!

[fleet lantern]

That Bladesman's Garb, though.

[fast gust]

Moderators Mpreg has escaped containment again

[rotund agate]

Should I make a wall of text of nonsense to hide that abomination if the mods don’t get rid of it?
Nevermind, its already hidden by us talking about it.

[random shuttle]

[calm aurora]

I started in zealot chat years ago so I'm damaged

[winter tusk]

Big nas x

[neat delta]

It's more like a rabid dog on a boss lmfao

[random shuttle]

I am going to brown.

[calm aurora]

I am glad I was not drinking my coffee mate

[fast gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351784855545057281/1440269658895945770/togif.gif

[random shuttle]

I'M STIMMSING!

[neat delta]

Rampage feels like it lasts forever when I fight captains

[zenith fern]

nyeh nyeh nyeh "bedrock of our society"
SHUT UP GAY LORD

That made me laugh so much

[neat delta]

Long as I keep hitting them I do unlawful amounts of damage

[mighty belfry]

Maybe keystoneless hive scum is not a bad idea.

[whole marten]

matchmaking SUCKS

[neat delta]

NORMAL GAME

SO NORMAL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[fleet lantern]

You can take my Vulture's Dodge out of my cold, dead hands.

[mighty belfry]

It wouldn't work as well with what I've got set up admittedly

[whole marten]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-you're-a-liar-gif-14272023711621085937

[near vapor]

i mean melee scum is fun

[lusty lichen]

2 of the keystones are borderline worthless.

[zenith fern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt4oVJ6RaZ4 peak is here

[fleet lantern]

It is, tbh. I've had a blast both with my rampage/adrenaline and my desperado/vulture build. The class as a whole is just fun.

[random shuttle]

Classic Darktide

[fast gust]

I don't think the issue is matchmaking, I think the issue is people quitting instead of just taking the loss

[mighty belfry]

Why is this hard to believe? Other than Vulture's Dodge, none of the others are really that impactful. They help but you can definitely forgo them if you wanna just get some other of the tree's bottom loaded talents

[winter tusk]

I dont see Mr unc crying and giving a negative review

[whole marten]

does chemical dependancy not exist to you?

[random shuttle]

Because Unc play to have Fun

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[mighty belfry]

It does. It's not that big of a deal.

[random shuttle]

not farm drama and bait

[zenith fern]

Wolfer really must have given a great speech for his troops holy shit

"FOR THE 6TH"

[whole marten]

it's the best one out of the 3

[zenith fern]

And all troops rushing

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. I don't need it.

[zenith fern]

to kill 4 crackheads

[neat delta]

Wait you guys play this game for fun! I'm waiting to get paid!

[mighty belfry]

It's a supply build so the cooldown does literally nothing for me.

[near vapor]

I think chem dependency is the least valuble keystone

[whole marten]

the other 2 are way more unreliable

atleast with chem you have 100% uptime

[mighty belfry]

Vulture's Mark.

Unreliable.

Now that's. That's definitely a statement.

[random shuttle]

crazy!

[hardy spruce]

don't you love being able to tank overheads

[zenith fern]

But I thought that this game community was toxic and nobody is allowed to play for fun and have nice opinions

[winter tusk]

Stims are too underpowered

[placid prairie]

I have like constant uptime on adrenaline, i throw myself into hordes and human blender them

[toxic dagger]

I played it and it was........ funny.

[whole marten]

15% crit chance 15% toughness damage reduction and 30% cdr at a constant

[toxic dagger]

didn't feel terrible

[zenith fern]

that is quite chunk of health dealt god damn

[toxic dagger]

but need to play more to form an opinion

[winter tusk]

Chorus+stim from scum, brutal

[mighty belfry]

I'm running it with Stim Supply and Manstopper double barrel

[whole marten]

go ahead then get a kill with a ranged weapon every 8 seconds on a wave of 5 crushers

[mighty belfry]

It is not half bad at all.

[toxic dagger]

I did chem bomb + crate + every single defensive or toxin-related blue node

bonesaw and needler

basically backlining

[placid prairie]

I live by crowbar and shivs

[hot moth]

on hi5s much less havoc there is no such thing as "just 5 crushers"

there is ALWAYS a dog or burster or mutie inviting itself into your proximity

[mighty belfry]

There's most likely more elites or specialists than the crushers

[placid drum]

Honestly im just having a blast with full melee scum going into rampage and adrenaline its wild

[hot moth]

so maintaining 100% uptime on vulture stacks is trivial even with just the 8 second timer

[mighty belfry]

It really isn't that hard.

And I ain't even using that either.

[fleet lantern]

Or ragers that melt under fire, or gunners in the backline, or...

[whole marten]

ok reddit mod

[toxic dagger]

it was easy to stay alive and have an effect with needle pistol from a distance and pickpocket provided infinite ammo, bonesaw felt pretty safe in melee even without talents for just dealing with straggler enemies

chem bomb for big blobs

crate to buff team and provide another bomb

[mighty belfry]

Oh cool we're resulting to this.

[placid prairie]

I feel like I fuck crushers up way more easily on hive scum than other classes

[whole marten]

your argument is literally "it isnt hard"

[fast gust]

People really underestimating how hard stims can boost some classes

[hot moth]

my brother in christ have you ever even seen a clip of auric, without modifiers even

[mighty belfry]

There's tons of elites and specialists in a majority of situations.

[hot moth]

there are infinite taggables

[placid prairie]

Stimms are crazy

[mighty belfry]

It's pretty reliable for what it is.

[whole marten]

forget the other players potentially getting those kills

or other factors

[hot moth]

people rack up somewhere north of 250+ kills on specials alone, completely disregaridng elites which make up the other half of taggables

there is not a scarcity of them

forget "wahhh the talent is suboptimal, I can't maintain max tacks"

[mighty belfry]

If you play Vulture's, you're most likely playing Desperado. If you're playing Desperado, there is a very good chance you're keeping that uptime.

[flat mist]

No idea what that means

[random shuttle]

Wait what

[hot moth]

if you can't maintain max stacks you are NOT PULLING YOUR DAMN WEIGHT ON THE TEAM

[dense hollow]

getting 3 stacks of vulture's is like

wow you killed 3 gunners

[fast gust]

I play vulture with stim dispenser

[fleet lantern]

This chestpiece. I love it.

[whole marten]

zzzzzz

cant believe there's vultures mark glazers

are they from the helldivers discord

[hot moth]

shredder + vulture's = enough crit to basically have desperado dodge permanently up

[fast gust]

This is bait.

[torpid cloud]

I'm a vultures dodge glazer

I Stan that thing

[fast gust]

This HAS to be bait

[near vapor]

fair point but design wise theyre pretty boring

[dense hollow]

🎣

[random shuttle]

Me on Vulture Mark Despacito

[fleet lantern]

It's gotta be. Or, someone who doesn't actually play.

[random shuttle]

280 Elites+Specials killed

[mighty belfry]

Despacito

[winter tusk]

Mfw looking for elites and specialists in the havoc elite and specialist onslaught

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-gif-17870535188958174605

[hot moth]

and you save desperado for when you need to magdump and there's a temporary scarcity of specials