hivescum-class

[spark gyro]

I don't make single mistakes, I go big or go home

[main wagon]

There is some PREMIUM vocal stimming material here

[ruby marsh]

I almost forget to ask, wtf does Hot Shot blessing do, on the Needle Gun

[spark gyro]

My mistakes are even having families now

[limber cradle]

I like how cold blooded the dude is

[ruby marsh]

Does it give me cleave???

[spark gyro]

That's how dedicated I am

[lost bear]

join the dark side, Adrenaline + Rampage + Hyperviolence gives you absolutely stupid breakpoints

Hypercritical if you want to go full balls to the wall and drop Precision Violence

[glacial gyro]

@novel oracle Quick heads up, melee hits with the saw do not stack up adrenaline properly, you do get stacks for kills with the node, but not from regular melee attacks

[lost bear]

using just Adrenaline Unbound and the occasional honest kill (not Hypercritical procs) to regen toughness in melee

[limber cradle]

Male Bounty Hunter with a modulated helmet kinda reminds me of Jason Wingreen Boba voice which i love tbh

[glacial gyro]

Isn't hypercritical still bugged

[lost bear]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/bonesaw-heavy-1-and-adrenaline-smiter/115558

[lost bear]

yep, breaks Precision Violence, that's why you go without

[spark gyro]

Hypercritical's wording confuses me a bit

[limber cradle]

Alright I'm sufficiently tilted off havoc by randoms

[glacial gyro]

No, I mean NO hits with the saw do it

[lost bear]

lmao that's even worse

[spark gyro]

It'll instakill an enemy whose health is smaller than twice my crit's damage, but... doesn't that already mean the crit will kill the enemy anyway?

[novel oracle]

you crit for 600 damage
enemy has 1000 health left
since 600x2 is greater than their remaining hp, they get instakilled

[spark gyro]

Ohhh

I think I was imagining the opposite then

[lost bear]

Twice?

[ruby marsh]

I swear fatshark does this on purpose, why is the wording on some of these so bad

[charred bronze]

I love it. Along with Tis But a Scratch and Hive City Brawler, and imo, Slippery Customer, it's the core of your survivability.

[spark gyro]

So it basically makes your crits twice more poggerful

Kinda

Ish

It depends ✋ 🤚

I like the idea tho

[lost bear]

downside is that like with all kill procs (Haymaker) it doesn't give you Toughness back

[glacial gyro]

its why I run chem dependence on my saw build, adrenaline is too inconsistent to stack up since toxin kills don't stack it and unless you get the killing blow you don't get any stacks

[lost bear]

I think maybe FS should consider revising their decision here

[spark gyro]

Ouch, I had heard it bugged precision violence, but not getting kill toughness sounds ridiculous

You literally kill the enemy

[lost bear]

I can see this being an issue with the Bone Saw in particular with the DoT spreading

[ruby marsh]

Oh... That was important information I could've needed because Im currently in a game with exactly that build

[lost bear]

on the direct kill weapons you swing twice into a horde (assuming Adrenaline Smiter's +4 on kill) and you proc Adrenaline Frenzy

[high gull]

Fatsharked once again

[glacial gyro]

It is also incapable of stacking adrenaline while adrenaline is active even if you get killing blows

[lost bear]

yikes

[ancient basin]

the bug on hypercritical kills its excellent theoretical synergy with hyperviolence. because hypercritical prevents you from gaining toughness from precision violence talent node (toughness on melee hits)

[lost bear]

that was what you were tagging Cole in about earlier?

[limber cradle]

If it makes you feel better I made the god awful mistake of queueing for havoc and accepting randoms, to which one blew themselves up with a burster, and then another blew a burster up on me when I pushed it and killed me, and then died to a fuckin trapper

[glacial gyro]

adrenaline straight up does not work with the saw

[flat mist]

oooh, lethal proximity DOES increase blackout's radius, fuck yeah (probably only surprising to psyker one tricks like me)

[high gull]

Yeah trusting randoms in havoc was something I had to be veeery picky about

Lotta people wanna do the hard difficulty

But aren't smart/good enough to actually do it

[lost bear]

doesn't do anything for chem grenade and boom bringer?

[limber cradle]

Gets on VC "thats probably my fault"

No shit buddy

[lost bear]

have had decent experiences with the median rando but there's been a few very special cases

[limber cradle]

Randoms have been particularly bad rn

Ig its returning players and the free weekend

[charred bronze]

I want to understand what hyper violence does.

Let's say, for simplicity's sake, your attack does 110 damage, and your enemy had 10 health left. If it does what I think it does, your next attack dealt within 1 second does 135 damage. 110 + 25 (25% of your 100 overkill damage).

Is that accurate?

[lost bear]

yes

[young herald]

Correct, yes

[lost bear]

25% of your overkill damage gets added as a melee damage buff for 1s

[flat mist]

it does the same thing for boombringer

[charred bronze]

which is how the talent shoulda been written lol

[limber cradle]

My friend bought me Snake Eater for Christmas, i should play that.

[flat mist]

some rando just told me about it because i was grenade goblining for the rocket penance

[charred bronze]

but it would still be unclear enough to generate questions. Complicated talent

[young herald]

It also triggers on each individual kill if you kill multiple enemies in the same swing

[limber cradle]

Grenade Goblin is a funny one tbh

[young herald]

Which is why it's so ridiculous with heavy sword

[charred bronze]

oh interesting, do those all stack or does it take the highest value?

[flat mist]

i am scum, afterall

[young herald]

It takes the highest value, but each kill adds damage to the next

So you'd have 100 overkill on the first target, 125 on the next, 132 on the third, etc

Assuming same hp on the targets killed

[lost bear]

also from Kuli

[charred bronze]

oh, nice. That's actually great. I want this talent on zealot 🙁

[lost bear]

"Now, for as long as it is possible to accumulate an increasing carry-over amount of overkill damage (e.g. by getting damage buffs, by targeting enemies with low health, by switching from an attack with low base damage to an attack with high base damage, etc), the 1s duration will be refreshed and the next melee attack will be buffed accordingly. When the carry-over amount of overkill damage does not increase between two attacks, the 1s duration will not be refreshed and the buff effect will reset.

[novel oracle]

yeah and it allows you to do stuff like this

[azure mist]

The heavy sword buff we all needed

[charred bronze]

hah, that's excellent

[lost bear]

what's the consensus on HS mark these days

[charred bronze]

I also want to understand this better:

I don't take it, because it seems to be of inconsequential value on a class with such high stamina availability

[flat mist]

what does the base damage of weapons have to do with anything

[charred bronze]

but what does +15 sprint dodge angle do in a practical way?

[novel oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446706168478306454/RDT_20251205_2132578298977863201250671.jpg?ex=6938ea1d&is=6937989d&hm=9b8eccc1b600af8de3ccff84eb2a036b04a0a82b7b9a1576a03ccca6f32d07cc

[flat mist]

seems an overcomplication of "more overkill make more big overkill" unless im misunderstanding

[charred bronze]

ahh you can zig zag toward enemies and still be sprint dodging?

[flat mist]

when you turn you'll get hit

[novel oracle]

when youre sprinting, ranged fire thats perpendicular to you while you have stamina considers you dodging for those attacks

[young herald]

The 7 is my favorite, but 9 is easiest to use

[glacial gyro]

@novel oracle Can you confirm my psykhanium findings concerning adrenaline and the saw?

[novel oracle]

that talent increases how lenient that angle is

[novel oracle]

there were already people who reported it on the forums

[flat mist]

chain attacks cant proc it?

chain weapons have the same problem

[lost bear]

yeah that's the gist of it but you need to keep overkilling harder to keep the buff is my read, otherwise it drops off and you gotta start from scratch

[glacial gyro]

Not only that but while it is active, you cannot gain more stacks with the saw

meaning you cant maintain it

[flat mist]

not at all?

[lost bear]

it doesn't renew unless your new Hyperviolence buff is bigger than the previous one

[glacial gyro]

Not even with killing blows, no

[charred bronze]

interesting, but not particularly compelling given that the rest of this class's kit makes avoiding damage while in motion so easy. Unless I'm missing something

[young herald]

You don't have to overkill harder with every kill, just gotta get a bigger number once per second

[abstract lichen]

It's for when you don't have desperado I guess

[lost bear]

overkilling harder once a second yeah, not every hit

[glacial gyro]

yeah I was finally able to get it to work, I was wrong. I think I was just getting unlucky during my tests and toxin was killing my targets

[flat mist]

happens to the best of us

[glacial gyro]

Still, ridiculous that this was allowed to happen

[flat mist]

been happening for a long time

disrupt destiny wont proc off chain weapon ticks either

[abstract lichen]

Actually idk if in actual games, the server would just give you the kills as part of ping management

[flat mist]

and probably not the obscurus/deimos special, but i havent tested that bc who cares

[charred bronze]

is this worth the talent point? Capped 10% cdr seems meh

[flat mist]

no

[bronze glade]

Yeah it's bad

[lucid raptor]

https://youtu.be/4irVCiq-Q1E?si=etUnB1iLTgm3W06X heavy sword looks so good on scum man holy

[charred bronze]

I only even considered it because maximizing enh desperado uptime seems to be the play. Wish they let it go to 20%

[abstract lichen]

I hate how heavy sword heavy resets everytime you press sprint while charging it

[kind zodiac]

kinda funny to have a floating friend

[manic wolf]

Honestly you dont really need to spunk a bunch of stuff into getting Desperado back, like its nice, but it wont make or break your build coz Pickpocket exists, you just might have to dodge some gunners once in a while

[ripe seal]

5 seconds off desperado means that if you're popping it as soon as it comes off cooldown, every 6 desperado means you get the 7th for free, granted you do get to use desperado alot but you don't need it

[eternal crag]

so for shivs

do yall feel like mobility is more necessary over first target ?

[manic wolf]

No

[obsidian crown]

Never ever drop first target

[eternal crag]

my exact thoughts

[ripe seal]

exactly, ammo isn't enough of a problem, you'd really only want to trigger it so much to trigger the rending and range damage node, also stamina and range immunity

[manic wolf]

You get the extra dodge at 51% mobility, so its a no-brainer to dump it on most things also

[charred bronze]

having used h sword with a similar build, it's fine, but the taxe was much better and safer in my experience.

[eternal crag]

some goober i know was making feel like i was crazy

[ripe seal]

i don't know much of a difference 20 points of damage or mobility is but you just always sacrifice that mobility

[charred bronze]

maybe someone set up to record who's better at the game than I am will upload a video

[tropic crag]

man i just saw a hive scum that did nothing but spam a sideways move tech for like an entire match,, it was weird

[eternal crag]

idk how i fee labout stability or mobility on needle pistol;

buyt the sayiong goes

always dump mobility

[flat mist]

dump damage

it doesnt do anything

[eternal crag]

the chem do the damage

[ripe seal]

yeah, its such a weird case since damage only effects the base hit and not the DOT, and the base hit does nothing

[obsidian crown]

This can’t be real

[manic wolf]

That whole exchange is fuckin hilarious

[obsidian crown]

Has to be troll

[abstract lichen]

Bait used to be believable

[charred bronze]

where does Atoman Remorae Vanguard come from?

[eternal crag]

i like the auric storm title....

[manic wolf]

A troll, or a victim of Dunning Krueger, you decide 😄

[abstract lichen]

Ass

[novel oracle]

its the title they give to the hardstuck malice players

[tropic crag]

i tanked stopping power because the toxin isn't affected as far as i know

[eternal crag]

needle pistol has a ton of dump options

and its goofy like that

[ripe seal]

stopping power is just a damage stat for different armor types, I guess it pretty much to guns what penetration is to melee

[abstract lichen]

Everything except ammo pretty much

[eternal crag]

yarg

[obsidian crown]

Best title is Reject. Don’t @ me

[frigid sluice]

Tried going back to stub pistol after using autopistols and everytime I use them in a situation where autopistols shred I close my eyes and shake my head sadly

[eternal crag]

autos are goated

[flat mist]

hypercritical doesnt seem to work on the double barrel properly

[charred bronze]

seriously though, google was not helpful 🙁

Is it for handpicked influencer play testers?

[frigid sluice]

But at least I can spin them while riding a elevator

[lucid raptor]

i just wear true survivor and then when i go down to some dumb shit I leave the game out of embarrassment

[eternal crag]

and you have thicc supressors on them too

[novel oracle]

because hyper crit is melee only

[digital lynx]

ive been running rampage mostly is anyone else getting absolutly fucked but the stam drop usually after a mutie

[manic wolf]

I get more milage out of Stubs tbh

[novel oracle]

its the new playtester title

[flat mist]

im a dumby

[manic wolf]

Better at killing problem targets, less good at horde control, but thats a fair tradeoff imo

[flat mist]

actually no im not it doesnt say that

fk u fatshark

[tropic crag]

take the knock back power if you haven't, it helps keep you safe when the rampage wears off

[abstract lichen]

Do they pick hardstuck malice players to playtest

[novel oracle]

check it out, new title fresh off the press
whaddya think?

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-new-card-gif-17052276078823995441

[ripe seal]

you can't horde clear nearly the same with the stubs but I still like how it feels for it with the cleave

[obsidian crown]

It’s kinda ok when you run blackouts which helps with horde

[flat mist]

yeah cole

[lucid raptor]

let’s see epic cole’s title

[abstract lichen]

True

[obsidian crown]

With chem node for blitz

[novel oracle]

wrong ping

[digital lynx]

I really dont want to as those talent points are hard spent but fuck if you dont you just die on occasion

[lucid raptor]

NOT EVEN ORANGE

[digital lynx]

its mostly the block hits making you not being able to dog

[manic wolf]

I mean, I usually shoot them anyway, but yes. Stubs have surprisingly decent cleave so particularly when you have a choke, they still melt, just a little more situational than Autos where you can just brr at them

[novel oracle]

yeah its not orange
im not as good as the poxbreakers

[abstract lichen]

Also, I wasn't talking to you 😤

[charred bronze]

not really. I only ever get fucked by my own bad decisions tbh, the spec is fire

[tropic crag]

they should change it to be platinum or something

[digital lynx]

its good

if its gets ending in melee and you block something you just stand still for a second

[charred bronze]

but aside from specialist jank, I can usually trace my deaths back to a mistake. I couldn't find talent I wanted to drop for Forge's Bellow

[manic wolf]

Feels. After gettin used to the class I seemed to develop this weird mindset of "shall I go for this dive? Fuckit" and that is sometimes a bad decision

[ripe seal]

i need to go and make that change in my own rampage build

just have to figure out what to drop

[tropic crag]

i've noticed alot of bad scum players are running ALOT and nothing else lol

[charred bronze]

honestly, at this point I'm only scared of bursters, bombers, and gas dudes. That area damage and slowdown is horrific

I hear a bomber and shriek 'killit killit killit' internally

[eternal crag]

can i get some thoughts on my build ?

im running rampage with chem

[manic wolf]

Less so gas dudes, but yeah for sure, Flamers can be a problem too if they get you unawares, which is rare, but it does happen. But still, its nice there are legitimate threats to the class instead of just being too tanky to care

[tropic crag]

you can dodge out of the nades tho so at least there is that

[eternal crag]

but it dosent feel like it does much

[limber cradle]

Post it

We are very happy to share thoughts here

[tropic crag]

rampage and chem works well from what i've been testing out

[manic wolf]

It does, rampage + chem kinda bangs

[ripe seal]

supply box and dependancy is starting to make more sense to me, when you freshly get up to max stacks (3 in my case so I don't have to juggle it as much), you just exclusively use your stim by placing down the case instead of using yourself manually, because it instantly goes on cooldown you can afford to deploy 2 stim boxes and by the time your stack runs out, you'd have gotten your third stim so you can just get back to max stacks

[glacial gyro]

I am about done with being hit by shit I dodge

[obsidian crown]

Running nimble?

[lavish parrot]

Aint no fucking way I just died because someone blew up a barrel in my ass

I am so fucking salty rn

[glacial gyro]

No, I am not, I see the net coming at me, I dodge to the side, it flies past, I get netted

[charred bronze]

I've had weird moments. I never know the map names, but was doing an altar on the map where there's a tiny chamber that splits into three short hallways. Two bombers spawned in and both instantly dropped bombs and carpeted the entire area, no bark, no arc. Just fire everywhere. Literally nowhere I could go.

[ripe seal]

i've been trying to make sure I never go down to 2 stacks but playing this way works better, by the time I hit 2 stacks my stim is back up so I don't lose out on the resistance or crit so you can just get more team use

[bronze glade]

Dependency doesn't do anything for you though

[mighty belfry]

At this point I'm pretty sure it's an extended hurtbox

[mighty belfry]

For some reason

[eternal crag]

my curios are all clones

[bronze glade]

It's all tied to your stimm cooldown

[eternal crag]

except on is 16%

[spark gyro]

I tried a stub desperado build

[ripe seal]

spamming the box with the stim off cooldown lets you spread out more poison and that's why you take the 2 nodes for crit and toughness resistance

[bronze glade]

Which dependency doesn't help with

[spark gyro]

I think I might get more mileage out of the autopistols

Stubs are too clicky to main

[manic wolf]

They're totally interchangeable i find, whatever you prefer really

[eternal crag]

i can reliably get my stimm off with no worries so i splurged a little

[manic wolf]

https://youtu.be/4KV5EW1DPx8 Some grubby DnB for hard nights Scummin'

[charred bronze]

the toughness nodes aren't really worth the increase in cooldown imo

[eternal crag]

think its better to take bottome left for faster swings ?

[limber cradle]

Toughness nodes only work off coherency toughness gen outside the last one that gets you 25 percent iirc

[eternal crag]

ahh

wack as fuck

[limber cradle]

Indeed

[eternal crag]

didnt know it was coh passive regen

[charred bronze]

sure, or just take top right and have stimm more often. If you run desperado or adrenaline, the cdr nodes are worth it

[eternal crag]

thought it applied to the hit and ranged damage regen too

[limber cradle]

God I wish

[ripe seal]

I only max out a single tree only so the cooldown is low

[last kelp]

strength tree into Vultoprene II and attack speed tree into Spur V is what I use for my stim supply build

[tropic crag]

still super usable as long as your plan is to not get hit after the burst

[limber cradle]

Tbh I really like top right bottom left stimms

[eternal crag]

exactly what i moved toughness into

[last kelp]

I ususally find that I'm able to drop a stim supply every minute or less

[limber cradle]

Usable? Yeah. I don't think it's worth the added cooldown cost tho.

[last kelp]

since im using sample collector with a needle gun/blackout and shiv tox build

[lucid raptor]

i wish the final stimm lab nodes in each tree were more unique instead of just buffs

[ripe seal]

yeah, I find it sorta pointless to invest without going all the way, though hte first attack speed node having the stamina and swap stuff helps that

[charred bronze]

the toughness nodes are only worthwhile if you go far enough to get the actual 50% toughness generated. Even then, I think it's a not great choice

[eternal crag]

give trade offs

more attack prowess but gimp your doges

more speed but cut accuracy

[ripe seal]

toughness nodes I think only make sense for the crate

[fleet lantern]

What does toughness regen speed on curios actually help? Is it the coherence regen?

[charred bronze]

the damage reduction is meh

[lucid raptor]

yeah this would be more interesting

[bronze glade]

Yeah

[charred bronze]

yup

[manic wolf]

Please no. I like my 8 mile long dodges

[limber cradle]

Correct

[spark gyro]

I kept my toughness stimm at 25% because of chem dependency

[fleet lantern]

So, not really worth taking.

[last kelp]

you could go into reflex from Spur 4 to give ranged team members better recoil and reload but honestly I think in terms of buffing the whole team and the fact you're usually gonna wanna drop it when things get hot anyway that the stun and slowdown immunity are WAY better

[spark gyro]

Odds are I'll activate it when I'm low on toughness, not when it's already gone and I'm in the shit

[lucid raptor]

it’d be nice to have them synergize or counter some talents for temporary tradeoffs

[eternal crag]

i aint letting no sumprats bogart my chems

[charred bronze]

I don't know anything about the chem build, tbh. Haven't touched it at all

[limber cradle]

I think this would make em not worth using tbh, I'm already kinda miffed Rampage has a debuff to it while SG just is what it is.

[ripe seal]

i normally go spur 5 since more attack speed is something everyone can use but I think going reflex makes a bigger difference than just a tiny 4% attack speed

[fleet lantern]

So, toughness, health, and... stam regen? Revive speed? For curious.

[eternal crag]

wondering if i should swap the crits aura for imporved gunslinger

but i dont really need it

[tight hinge]

stacking cleave nodes any good for crowbar's secondary?

[tropic crag]

not gonna lie i barely notice the rampage debuff, like i notice it but its not like a big deal

[eternal crag]

sicne the ammo ecom on needle and pickpocket is so good

[last kelp]

tbh in hive scums current state im genuinely thinking its better to run stim supply than melee or even desperado just because buffing the team in critical moments is pretty nutty

[ripe seal]

I feel like gunslinger aura generates piss all ammo, maybe it makes a tiny bit more difference on guns with low ammo count

[flat mist]

i dont notice it until it matters at the wrong moment and i cant dodge or block

[lucid raptor]

12% attack speed from stim, max strength and rending from stim, +3 stamina curio with the + attack speed per stamina talent, rampage + Rashad is just stupid

[flat mist]

but thats why u run forge's below

[tropic crag]

you can still dodge

[charred bronze]

eh Rifle is fine. Being able to spend 30 seconds in that state is bananas. One of my favorite abilities in the game

[tropic crag]

just don't block while you do it or if you do push while you dodge so you don't get the stagger from blocking with no stam

[lucid raptor]

it shines in havoc really

[flat mist]

for some reason i was misremembering that you couldnt dodge at 0 stam

[charred bronze]

benefits greatly from subnodes though. I don't use Forge's Bellow though. Maybe that's an error but it just doesn't seem worth the squeeze to me

Or at least, the other talents I'd have to potentially drop to get it

[ripe seal]

pickpocket/desperado gives you enough ammo generation that you don't need it, the aura barely gives ammo to teammates, and extra crit means more damage and immunity with vulture

[bronze glade]

It's ok

[tropic crag]

lol i had the same wires cross for like 5 seconds earlier today maybe because when you block with no stam you can't dodge out of the animation

[bronze glade]

I take it on squishy builds

It's great to knock down a crusher pack

[eternal crag]

so

does stimm supply

give the proper duriation

or just hot boxing in its aura

[bronze glade]

The CC is weaker than vet shout though

[lucid raptor]

the -50% attack speed debuff is insane tho

[ripe seal]

it depends, normal supply is only in the aura, the one that makes the stim only lasts 5 seconds I'm pretty sure does both, if you stay in the aura the whole time you get 5 seconds plus the 15 lingering

[tropic crag]

and it pulses twice per cooldown

[charred bronze]

for those that use it, do you find that it throws off your dodge timing? Or do they just attack at the correct speed half as often?

[eternal crag]

start and end

[manic wolf]

Still turns off monsters for a bit tho which is nice, its a hard sell though vs taking other stuff

[eternal crag]

i havnt suffered the tirring effect becasue of the shout

[bronze glade]

Eh it's aight. Things i knock down tend to die very quickly anyway

[charred bronze]

that's my struggle. I can't find anything I want to drop for it

[bronze glade]

Yeah that's a good use

[eternal crag]

i mostly use it to get out of a pickle

[charred bronze]

seems very 'nice to have'

[ripe seal]

any CC is useful to have when you're out of stamina and take bonus damage

[lucid raptor]

not a ton no, it’s mostly useful on bosses

[eternal crag]

anmd have been saved from a dog becasue i stagger them myself

[tulip magnet]

I need to stop reading reddit opinions on this class

[eternal crag]

reddit

[tulip magnet]

People are coping so hard that they're not getting skill issued

[eternal crag]

the simple fact is

scum unlike arbites

[manic wolf]

Its nice, but equally, if Ive gone through the effort of getting as much in front of me as possible, I dont want to knock a bunch of it over lul

[eternal crag]

needs to be leveled to get its full use

[tropic crag]

its why i think its kind of a must have node, like you don't need it need it but man does it make the skill alot more comfy

[eternal crag]

needs to be learned

its not just tand there, shoot and send princess after rotters

[calm sundial]

who at fatshark rthought it was a good idea

to introduce the chem explosion

that shit is so so aids

[limber cradle]

Sometimes I think FS is run by Sadists

[calm sundial]

i love getting randomly thrown into a crusher stack

[tropic crag]

i just saw a scum where i KNOW the person thought they were hot shit but they spent the whole time doing sideways move tech with the daggers to run away and wasted 2 full ammo pickup worth of ammo kiting crushers around the mapt in a mortis trial shooting them with the autopistols

[calm sundial]

or having my continuous fire blessings interrupted

[lucid raptor]

they were doing hive scum iq roleplay

[obsidian crown]

It definitely wouldn’t shine in higher havocs

[manic wolf]

Scums shooting Crushers without Desperado up is quickly becoming a classic pug move 😄

[obsidian crown]

10% of 10 is nothing

[abstract lichen]

I got shot once by a sniper during rampage afterglow

👼

[tropic crag]

i'm not even sure he had desperado... or at least he never popped it, i had to watch him play for like 5 mins

[eternal crag]

the crits are usefull

moar crits

[tropic crag]

i finally typed "stab them please"

[eternal crag]

especially for gungryn

[tropic crag]

he rezzed me and i killed them in like 5 seconds

[manic wolf]

Lmao, goddamn

[tropic crag]

i couldn't even be mad i was laughing too much tbh

[flat mist]

We cannot comprehend their genius

[tropic crag]

they HAD A PLAN

[flat mist]

Shoot them till they die

Which to be fair is the despacito motto

[tropic crag]

i'm sure i confused them when i got the kills after darting them a few times and turning to rez the rest of the team

[lucid raptor]

still my favorite sniper death

[tropic crag]

i'm actually not sure they knew about heavy attacks either tbh

[tulip magnet]

Is it chem that's doing that? I only noticed it when the nurgled-up walkers from the event get shot from ranged

[tropic crag]

that was mys pov for like 5 mins

[limber cradle]

Were you dead watching them?

[ancient basin]

also, the thing throwing people around is head parasites getting shot with bullets

they cause that knock back explosion

[tulip magnet]

hate that

[tropic crag]

yeah, i was the only one on the team who could kill crushers or zerkers and so i kept getting swarms behind me suddenly from run away and shoot mcgee or the rest of the team falling

[limber cradle]

Well

[ripe seal]

Yeah it’s a modifier that should normally be exclusive to the auric trial thingy but is part of the event

[limber cradle]

Don't die next time

Won't have to watch em

[ancient basin]

its usually when your team mates try to help with horde clear as you go into melee

[ripe seal]

Since the trials should have some exclusive modifiers not found in normal matches

[ancient basin]

and then you become the pin ball

[tropic crag]

at a certain point i died just TO watch them tbh , like not on purpose purpose but i kind of "oh nooo, oh well lets tune into my stories" with it after the first time

[ancient basin]

chem blinder grenades save me from so many crusher ambushes

[tulip magnet]

Me trying to farm 2000 heavy melee kills while stimmed up and getting knocked around like a volleyball

[lucid raptor]

the blinders do feel really good to use

[tulip magnet]

the blinders with the chem upgrade are actually really good damage, too

[tropic crag]

i keep taking toxic nades just for the "everything toxic" meme but man do i regret not having the blinders

[drifting heron]

Telling a bulwark to fuck off

[woeful hill]

Are you sure

[drifting heron]

Pretty sure

[drifting heron]

Threw a bulwark

[tropic crag]

all the way to space

[drifting heron]

On his ass

[tulip magnet]

Threw a pox hound into space

[flat mist]

adamantium shield soz

[drifting heron]

Aim at the floor

[ripe seal]

I just have trouble aiming the blinders, a half centimeter of radius and I feel I would hit so much more of them

[drifting heron]

I think it makes it more consistent

[tropic crag]

you better make a 5000 word reddit post about this ASAP

[drifting heron]

But thats also havoc sooooo

[abstract lichen]

They need to have staggers override properly

[tropic crag]

yeah the shield blocks los and can be hard to get the blinders to work with them

[woeful hill]

no stagger difference

with havoc

[abstract lichen]

Blinder into bonesaw saw, the saw closes them up again

I hate this so much

[glacial gyro]

the one bad thing about the needle pistol is its ammo is too valuable to spend shooting barrels near ledges so my teammates don't shoot them while I am standing next to them

[tropic crag]

i actually prefer the rampage cc to open up bulwarks more than anything... or just kiting around them if i'm able and stabbing around the shield

[shy pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[tropic crag]

naw its got really forgiving ammo just try to learn how many shots you need for everything lol

so shoot ALLL the barrels

[livid raven]

(it's 2)

[tropic crag]

basically yes lol

[glacial gyro]

this is more me complaining about how I keep getting killed by teammates shooting barrels I am next to, which is why I always shoot barrels ahead of the team before we reach them

[eternal crag]

i dont think im built well for havos

that or i need to git gud

[tropic crag]

i melee all barrels even if they are already lit, the chip damage gives me power

[glacial gyro]

found the zealot

and its more being flung off ledges that is the issue

[tropic crag]

my least favorite class i'm just a slayer main

[tulip magnet]

Should they make ogryn heavier so they fly less far?

[tropic crag]

yeah, if you go to melee every barrel you learn to never approach from the ledge, and you get free fun rides all the time

[manic wolf]

Barrels are one thing, but the current event modifier is infinitely worse for being yeeted around

[tulip magnet]

1000lbs of man getting yeet by 1 yellow barrel

[glacial gyro]

the last mission was going well, then ended on a failure when someone mag dumped into a barrel that killed two people as a plague ogryn spaned, it was on the bridge section

[tropic crag]

i explode once or twice a game but i haven't been thrown off by a barrel in forever, chaos spawn still throw me off tho

[glacial gyro]

I instantly dip if I see autopistol scum or a veteran with a lasgun

[high gull]

Today I learned

A mauler light can insta kill you at full health

Hell of a discovery

[drifting heron]

Are you sure you were full

[idle lava]

Is that not for every class but arbities?

[drifting heron]

Or was it havoc or smth

[tulip magnet]

maulers are not to be fucked with tbh

[high gull]

100%

[glacial gyro]

people do not respect maulers like they should

[tropic crag]

you might have been two tapped and not seen the other tap tbh

[manic wolf]

Speaking of lasgun Vets... I had one earlier that ran ahead of everyone, died and then stated throwing abuse at the rest of us Super salty customer, it was very funny

[drifting heron]

Could you have gotten hit by anything else

Because a mauler sweep does nowhere near enough damage to do that

[spark gyro]

I saw a lasgun vet being the last one standing

[tropic crag]

probably a returning player lol

[tulip magnet]

I love when 2 bursters combo you and you go from 100-respawning

[spark gyro]

Young fella saw the mauler crowd

And shifted into exec stance

Infantry lasgun.

[idle lava]

I was zoned out and ate an overhead from a crusher, I ceased to exist

[glacial gyro]

Its not that lasgun vets are bad, its with this specific modifier I know they are going to be shooting into the poxwalkers, and that costs me rampage timer

[high gull]

I've been playing this game for oever 1500 hours

I know what I saw

[tropic crag]

lasgun vets are either cosplaying the average guardsmen or will be some of the better players you run into

[manic wolf]

More than likely tbh, his attitude was atrocious tho, like truly one of the most toxic individuals ive seen in DT, a true specimen

[spark gyro]

Lasgun vets fluctuating between being the most cracked shooters on the planet and the most cracked shooters on the planet

[ancient basin]

vet is either a god or is floor inspecting

[tulip magnet]

cracked-out*

[glacial gyro]

Just like psyker

Or zealot

Or hive scum

[drifting heron]

And I'm telling you something happened other than that because a mauler sweep does only 120 damage

[tropic crag]

oggy's are just good boys

[tulip magnet]

Or Scots and other Scots

[ancient basin]

ehhh, only hive scum comes close to the bipolarity in my mind

[placid prairie]

Personally the issue I find I run into with hive scum is that i will move ahead with literally nothing in my way, look behind and see the team 20 miles behind fighting a horde

[glacial gyro]

Ogryn and arbites don't die unless they are trying to

[placid prairie]

Like there was literally nothing going forward, why would I think to look back

[drifting heron]

If you are at full health and toughness on scum, even at level 1 versus an auric mauler, it will fail to kill you with a sweep

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/groundskeeper-willie-simpsons-scotland-scots-gif-14601840

[idle lava]

Even then..

[tulip magnet]

The humble barrel on Gloriana

[high gull]

I'm not gonna keep arguing it, I know what I saw fam

[glacial gyro]

Barrels are the most lethal enemy in the game

[ashen hamlet]

I am the most lethal enemy

[tropic crag]

lol i've found in these games you should always be doing quick 180's or 360's to see whats happening every so many seconds

[ashen hamlet]

9/10 times im the reason the barrel explodes peeps off the map

[tropic crag]

even when in melee tbh lol

[ashen hamlet]

Yesterday I killed all 3 of my teammates with one barrel.

[tropic crag]

thank you for your service

[ashen hamlet]

Proudest moment of my life

[manic wolf]

The intro section with the event modifier and all the barrels is truly sadistic

[idle lava]

Not trying to argue here myself, just curious, can crushers get buffed in anyway? I don't have much time on the game, but if they can maybe that happened?

[high gull]

I mean pox gas buffs mobs

[glacial gyro]

tox gas?

[ancient basin]

hive scum wish list: fix the bugs, give some kind of stamina related toughness gain, more marks of dual stub pistols, brass knuckles

[manic wolf]

Isnt it just a hitmass increase?

[spark gyro]

The times I sit back are basically "okay here's a bomber, okay now there's a flamer, okay now there's a bomber again, okay now there's a hound, okay..."

[drifting heron]

Gas doesn't give damsge

[tropic crag]

it could have been a ghost hit hidden from view by visual noise tbh

[idle lava]

I know it buffs like, infested mobs, but I was unsure if it effected crushers, and I'm also unsure what the buff is really that they get.

[drifting heron]

Just mass and move speed

[cerulean geode]

So shiv blessings...? Repost and Precog? With Carapace and Unyielding?

[ancient basin]

I feel this too

[glacial gyro]

My wish list: Fix bugs, never add durability, delete dueling sword

[ruby marsh]

Jesus just give the Crowbar fucking momentum, that's all i ask

[high gull]

I have no clue tbh, I'm not an authority on what does and doesn't get affected by them. I'm just aware it gives a buff.

[drifting heron]

Its hit mass and move speed

[tropic crag]

leave the dueling sword on the psyker, let me have my fun cosplaying saltz

[ancient basin]

dont really want the DS on hive scum tbh. not his can of worms lore wise

[cerulean geode]

I see ppl saying the shivs are good boss killers with Repost and Precog but idk

[tropic crag]

wouldn't make sense yeah

[ancient basin]

chain glaives though

like from the concept art

[idle lava]

I'd like more scrapped together weapons for the scum tbh.

Chainglaives

[tropic crag]

they can be pretty good, but short reach so you have to move alot

[high gull]

Considering all the fucking jank I've been experiencing the past days

[high gull]

I probably got fucking phantom slammed and the server registered it late

Not like I haven't gotten fucked by hit reg before recently

[cerulean geode]

Wait, you can stop moving as Hive Scum? x3 Idk if there's ever a time I stop moving/dodging tbh xD

[idle lava]

I'd sell both my kidneys for a chainglaive

[tropic crag]

lol i mean that if you kite the boss in place you have to move actually more each pulse so it can get a bit tight compared to other weapons

because daggers short so you need to take more steps forward each pulse

[cerulean geode]

Fair fair. Just been unsure what perks. Was thinking about Lacerate and the one that does more damage on bleeding targets too

[ancient basin]

I run crit on dodge with bleed on crit

max stacks!

[tropic crag]

coles build in the pins might be good to look at, i've not messed around with building the shivs enough yet

been playing with the bonesaw the past day or so

[ancient basin]

dot dps means your short reach doesnt affect your overall effect

bonus points for needler

[cerulean geode]

I've got basically all the other hive scum weapons max mastery and have one of each with mobility dump stat... (Defences for the crowbar) So the shivs are the last one I gotta work on

[ancient basin]

base mark shivs are great, lots of dodge, fast sweeping lights, decent armor penetrating heavies

[tropic crag]

that sounds good tbh, will probably do this later

[ancient basin]

they scale with attack speed and crit and mulch pretty much every thing

they dont do stagger at all

[high gull]

Shame you can't get the pants

[ancient basin]

and the push is almost nothing too

[tropic crag]

i still push alot with them but thats habits from vt2

[thorny ginkgo]

should i run bonesaw or shivs on a chem toxin build with no keystones?

[carmine nebula]

Man, I wish we got singular stub pistols for all class (except maybe Arbites)

I really wanted Space Blicky

[ancient basin]

I mean you have the stamina to push as much as you want, it is just not as strong as some other pushes is all

[mossy tapir]

chem saw if no crit coated weapons, dealer's choice if have coated weapons

[thorny ginkgo]

i got coated weaponary for shivs is that fine

[mossy tapir]

yeah, bleed is also nice to stack with chem toxin too

[thorny ginkgo]

bet i got that blessing

i spam stim crate every 15s

[main wagon]

A part of me was holding out for “one hand gun, one hand melee” for dual wielding but I’m also very happy with what we got lol

[eternal crag]

dont know if i want riposte or uncanny strike on my shivs

gonna go riposte'

[mossy tapir]

me personally i go for a decent buffing stimm for myself and others with stimm supply but yeah 15 second stimm for many bomb is probably really nice

[eternal crag]

cause im not really aiming for weak points

just shanking

[carmine nebula]

Yeah but hooking controls like that would be weird, like how do you register ADS and melee block separately

[main wagon]

I aim for weak points when QP doesnt give me the fucking event missions

[bronze glade]

You really absolutely should

[ancient basin]

uncanny strike works but doesnt scale as well generally on shivs, because its only 40% rending at max

[bronze glade]

Also uncanny is insane

Even with nerfs lol

[ancient basin]

anecdotal statement though

[mossy tapir]

riposte more crits more lacerate more coated weapon

[eternal crag]

i try but poison handles it mostly

[ancient basin]

I find riposte feels better

[eternal crag]

same

and lets be frank

[bronze glade]

Like 40 percent is an absolute shit ton

[main wagon]

Yeah a very real concern would’ve been it just being a mediocre form of both weapons

Ranged weapon that can’t aim paired with a melee that can’t block push

[eternal crag]

there are classes better at killing bosses than scum

[ancient basin]

up to 60% crit after a dodge assuming you are running crit aura

[thorny ginkgo]

wait NVM

[patent bone]

There is, but there's none more fun at killing than hive scum

[mossy tapir]

oh yeah its flesh tearer not lacerate im dumb lmao

[eternal crag]

i can easily get crits and reposte helps

chem stacks

[main wagon]

Idk thammer zealot is pretty juicy

[eternal crag]

bleeds

[mossy tapir]

shit dude they do the same thing lmao

[eternal crag]

all kills in the end

[main wagon]

You charge that heavy with malicious intent and a devilish smile

[thorny ginkgo]

chem toxin is the only build i didnt play yet, wish me luck

[patent bone]

But it don't let out the symphony of dual autopistols

[ancient basin]

t hammer zealot gymnastics to get the huge charged hit on bosses is always fun

[eternal crag]

welp\

[mossy tapir]

many bleed many chem stacks many burgers yeehaw

[eternal crag]

just pulled the 60% stopping power needler on my first buy

god emperor is real

and look what he has done for me

[main wagon]

Counterpoint: Eviscerator and Boltgun

It’s a different flavor of beauty

But still magnificence

[ancient basin]

I want to like the bone saw, but the feel is off. the drag after each hit is what mostly throws me

[zenith fern]

Holy shit bro

[ancient basin]

good weapon, but not my fav

[main wagon]

I love how each class basically has at least one playstyle I can really jive with

[carmine nebula]

Genuinely still hope for single Blicky bc Stub Pistols are Hella underrepresented

[main wagon]

If not multiple

[patent bone]

Counter argument: 45 second duration of unlimited ammo

[ancient basin]

hive scum heavy stubber when tho

[main wagon]

It’s not so much a “uhm no ackchually this is betterer” and more “this is cool, but I also like this”

[ancient basin]

mini ogryn

[main wagon]

It feels good to mow the unholy lawn with my big ol two handed chainsword sometimes

[patent bone]

Don't get me wrong. Zealot is nice, but I like Hive Scum more

[main wagon]

Just like it also feels good occasionally to become a space wizard and clear entire rooms with a single moonlight greatsword beam

[patent bone]

Never liked wizards. Takes the fun out of up close and personal. Plus, I like the release of anger

[ancient basin]

I run obscurus force sword and a vraks autogun on my psyker, running around at the speed of sound

[main wagon]

Melee Psyker is my defacto CIVI class because of how disgusting FGS + Trauma gets

[ancient basin]

3 tapping crushers with my 1 hander

[main wagon]

I’m not gonna play Scum into the “lol more carapace” modifiers without a tox build and personally I fuggin hate running tox

[ancient basin]

bonking crushers with the branx pick axe on ogryn is one of the most satisfying things though, they do a little bounce like you turned off their brains

[main wagon]

I do love soup and shivs for giving me great access to tox without actually investing in that side of the tree

[ancient basin]

that and anti mutant rock ordinance

[main wagon]

My favorite part of Ogryn along with hitting over bulwark shields

But then they gave me the FGS with an “Unlock Bulwark” button and I was lost to the warp

[fair oar]

every time i try a non autopistol build i'm like ehhhhhhh

i need my guns akimbo

[pure dragon]

they're so good

I just hear john woo music everytime I pull them out

[main wagon]

I hear Death Grips blasting like an old school Payday montage

[ancient basin]

the dual stubs work great for not desperado builds in my experience. solid all around guns with good ammo economy, damage, range, and accuracy

only thing they dont do is crushers

the feel is good though, very cool weapons

[patent bone]

Mix a crowbar and they can bring down a crusher easy

[main wagon]

If your desperado is stacked with Fury II you can theoretically burst a crusher’s last 30-40% HP in a pinch but it’s not really efficient

[ancient basin]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4WA7dNxzfuI

not for the build, just the mutant rock montage

[glacial gyro]

Is the build "throw rock"?

[ancient basin]

maybe

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-ogryn-rock-gif-10374488513425509350

[main wagon]

Tbh crushers usually come in like 2-4 and if you throw two knives at the first one and have space to kite them, they’re really not a big deal

They just end your despacito sooner if you stop to kill them versus running past and just letting your team deal with them

[ancient basin]

tox knife throw from shivs makes a solid all rounder ascend really

[main wagon]

They’re pretty much why I run shivs with dual autos over crowbar

I love the crowbar but it needs some degree of melee spec to make it functional

[ancient basin]

I dont have the combo down that makes the crow bar delete crushers on heavy alt attack

I have seen it around, I just dont know how to get it running

[main wagon]

Rampage, Adrenaline, Can Opener I bet

With superiority stacks from killing nearby shotgunners

[ancient basin]

its two heavies in alt mode onto a full hp crusher in the meat grinder

[main wagon]

Could be rampage stim as well? Not sure how everyone’s building scum

[tender marten]

Crowbar has built in thrust

[ancient basin]

huh, thats good info

[tender marten]

Try holding the heavy longer

[main wagon]

Ive been laughing because while I’m like “oh shit I found a really good setup for gun scum”

Then I pop in here and the buildpriests have already drafted the same setup sans maybe 1-2 talents, if not the exact same build lmao

[sinful matrix]

Do not become a path of exile player

[main wagon]

At least I know I’m on the right track

[livid raven]

what's your setup

[sinful matrix]

experiment on your own

[main wagon]

Mostly Cole’s pinned auto loadout

[main wagon]

I think you misunderstood

[ancient basin]

the fun of playing a game is in the playing

[main wagon]

I experimented on my own, then came in here and discovered that others landed in the same place

[flat mist]

does hyper-violence get overridden by dots, or only melee attacks?

[livid raven]

yeah i mean, not many ways you can make a desperado build

[sinful matrix]

Fair, I just have a bone to pick with people who copy a build and w-key and wonder why something isn't working

Comes out every now and again unprompted

[haughty slate]

I saw some guy saying all darktide content creators steal content from each other because they come up with similar builds on the new class at the same time

it's almost like build crafting is a thing and veteran players can tell which stuff goes well together

[livid raven]

i can only imagine what it's like to fights for scraps like that

[haughty slate]

[main wagon]

I’d been playing around with stimm lab going between Finesse and Fury II to see what felt better and when I landed on Fury and played with it last night, I then came in today to see people like “yeah why aren’t you using rending stim” to somebody else when they were asking lmao

[livid raven]

20k youtubers starting beef because another 20k youtuber used a similar build

[sinful matrix]

It's not like there's really any build variety in Darktide

[main wagon]

I was also going between Flakiac/FlakUny on my pistols but Maniac is too good to leave out IMO

[haughty slate]

There used to be some good build variety in the ol' Veteran tree. Now everything is a bit streamlined.

[sinful matrix]

I've been digging Flak/Unarmored for everything ranged for awhile tbh

[brittle sierra]

Man I love misinformation spreading 🍿

[main wagon]

Being able to just blink at dreg ragers versus putting a modicum of brain power into aiming at their head to kill them quickly is huge

[sinful matrix]

Covers bruisers, basically every elite

[tropic crag]

lol i vibe check builds myself and end up accidently just making the meta builds, its not like its hard or that there are a ton of options

[sinful matrix]

and specials don't really take many bullets to kill unless you're shooting mutants

[main wagon]

And honestly why are you shooting mutants lol

[livid raven]

why not

[main wagon]

One tap with knife, mostly

[sinful matrix]

Exactly

[livid raven]

what are you going to do

melee them?

[main wagon]

Yeah

[livid raven]

are you crazy

[main wagon]

Step out of the way

[livid raven]

this is a desperado build

[sinful matrix]

One thing if you're in desperado and the ammo count doesn't matter

[livid raven]

you have to unbind 1/Q right now

[mint fable]

Is it counter-productive to use the vigilant autogun on hive Scum?

[sinful matrix]

but like on oggy/vet I'm probably not shooting a mutant

[tropic crag]

i see so many people shooting mutants and dodging dogs now adays

[sinful matrix]

unless plasma gun

[main wagon]

Step aside, WITNESS ME shiv heavy, pull guns back out

[haughty slate]

using your melee weapon on a ranged-focused build makes you cringe

[livid raven]

they have them?

[haughty slate]

heresy veterans told me that

[mint fable]

Yeah

[livid raven]

that sound so ass

i can't imagine a worse fitting gun than that

[tropic crag]

thats why only oggy can pull it off, only oggy isn't cringe

[livid raven]

it's only good on vet because they can stack weakpoint damage to high altitudes imo

[bronze glade]

I guess if you REALLY want to shoot crushers

Vigils are ok

[livid raven]

do you even do anything to them

[main wagon]

Ogryn players using “Gunlugger” spec to bring a single round break action shotgun/GL

[bronze glade]

With desperado rending it'll be ok

[livid raven]

it's just 15% rending

[ancient basin]

precision weapon on a class that gives close range damage buffs, so if you are comfortable making head shots when you are about to get slapped around go for it

hmmm

[bronze glade]

That's quite a big difference for carapace usually

[haughty slate]

they should have just made the bazooka an actual ranged weapon

that would have been very funny

[livid raven]

i remember vig on vet with all possible weakpoint/rending stuff was still killing a crusher in like 5 bursts of the three-burst one

[haughty slate]

it's hard to fathom that vig autoguns were actually much worse than they are in their current state

[ancient basin]

hip fire stub revolver, crucian roulette, hand-cannon. mag dump and pray for crits to get 60% rending

[spice cloud]

Autopistols are good for it and i have infinite ammo

[livid raven]

yeah autopistols shred both

[main wagon]

Low key I wanted the rocket to be a whole ability like the stim crate lmao

[livid raven]

also you are going to shoot those to keep pickpocket going

[main wagon]

But desperado is awesome so I’m happy with this

[livid raven]

you become an elite/special goblin

[bronze glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1436201769532264448/173F591.MP4?ex=6938eea1&is=69379d21&hm=17747e0a2d717ae7cf98d97c43f68db08da9e01c438296bf2667ca5bbb1feda8&

Agri is better at it tbh

Than columnus

[haughty slate]

honestly same... customizable rocket launcher would have been sick

[tropic crag]

but smacking the big meat men is fun AND you do better damage

[livid raven]

damn i was on point

[main wagon]

That is honestly a viable reason to shoot mutants, fair does

[ancient basin]

choice between incendiary, chem tox, or explosive rockets

[haughty slate]

Chem tox is a free win button but it's literally just a moldy campbell's soup can so

Oh sorry I thought we were talking about the blitz

[spark gyro]

I'm leaving it like this as a statement

[main wagon]

Rocket needs some love. I’ve seen posts postulating on giving it nodes to make it more like either a krak or Ogryn bomb respectively, or giving it a cone of damage behind first target hit like an actual anti tank weapon

IMO No matter what it needs better splash tho

[livid raven]

you mean upgrade nodes?

[fast gust]

Idk theorycrafting a build and doing averages across 10 games to confirm it is pretty fun to me

[haughty slate]

honestly I like having upgrade nodes on blitzes

[livid raven]

i think hivescum builds are all talent-starved

[haughty slate]

would love to see it

[livid raven]

so i don't think that's a good idea

[ancient basin]

shit guys, I hit the mag dump crusher break point with my hip fire revolver

it 1 mags them

[livid raven]

unless you make a really powerful upgrade node like a blitz regen one

[haughty slate]

They need to rearrange the nodes so that 75% of the classes survivability isn't at the bottom of the tree... replace the dumb nodes it forces us to take with them and we have much better talent economy

[livid raven]

they could fuse some nodes together

[main wagon]

Aside from the extra blitz charge or passive stim regen on kills, I don’t really feel like I’m “missing” anything I want like I was on Psyker, Vet, or even Arby

[haughty slate]

that too, especially all the dodge/stamina ones in the middle

[main wagon]

But different strokes for different folks

[fast gust]

Don't forget removing coherency radious, it does nothing useful nowadays

[livid raven]

they usually put that there for filler

when they run out of ideas

[haughty slate]

they need to get more creative

[fast gust]

Just add +1 stamina, more useful

[livid raven]

like, why is the coherency node in the chem branch anyway

and why on hivescum who can't even do anything with it

[random shuttle]

No no he can and it makes perfect sense

[bronze glade]

Synergistic with the toughness regen stimm

[haughty slate]

They should make it so your stim crate makes an aura around you as big as your coherency that moves with you

[bronze glade]

(Still ass)

[spice cloud]

Its actually faster to just keep shooting then to switch weapons and melee it

[random shuttle]

see you deploy your box with Toughness regen stim

[livid raven]

it isn't tho, no?

[ancient basin]

3 stacks of vultures mark

[random shuttle]

and then use your big coherency to daisy chain the team!

[fast gust]

Which is kark and doesn't work for allies unless you also pick stim dispenser

[ancient basin]

need a bit of luck, but still good

[random shuttle]

Very Powerful Combo

[bronze glade]

It is

[livid raven]

oh right lmao

[random shuttle]

[bronze glade]

Still ass though

[tropic crag]

but then you're not hitting the big meaty meat man

[bronze glade]

Ass synergies with ass

Ass to ass synergy

[haughty slate]

honestly I'm going to create the only build you might ever want that extra coherency radius

we'll see how that goes

[spice cloud]

On my melee build i will hit the meaty men

[tropic crag]

honestly its more the dodging dogs instead of pushing dogs that bothers me over the shooting of muties

[mint fable]

Trying out this vigilent autogun

So far, it basically plays like a worst veteran

[haughty slate]

godspeed buddy

[mint fable]

Since it forces you to play slow and methodical

In order to aim for headshots

[eternal crag]

so im using my needle pistol to become immue to range

and to deal with hordes via the infection

[haughty slate]

the only reason the vig autoguns are barely decent on vet is because of all the weakspot hit synergy in their tree

[ancient basin]

fan firing a revolver with an ability called desperado is good, who would have thought

[eternal crag]

do i really need unyeilding and carapice on it

[haughty slate]

without it they kinda crap

[main wagon]

You digging the Mk2?

[eternal crag]

i am

its useful

fire into a big rotter horde

a good chunk die before contact

[main wagon]

It did make my penance grind for stim stuff way less awful

[eternal crag]

trying stiped down and run and gun

[main wagon]

Hilariously I got the tox spreading penance through soup alone

[mint fable]

So with a gun build, the vigilant autogun makes it harder to survive hordes

[eternal crag]

so i can get the deperado ult main benefit

[mint fable]

Desperado does make aiming headshots easier by simply being immune to range attacks

But thats about it

[sturdy linden]

God I REALLY wish we get a patch fixing the broken specials this week

[mint fable]

Im really dependant on teammates to manage hordes

So I could concentrate on landing headshots

[eternal crag]

has anyone seen hyper violence not working ?

[sturdy linden]

It just takes one messed up special to ruin a run, with pugs being what they are

[ancient basin]

vulture makes you immune to melee too, could use that to get some more breathing room

[mint fable]

True

[sturdy linden]

Do not.

[ancient basin]

hyperviolence is hard to see working in game

[mint fable]

And vigilant autogun is pretty accurate on hipfire

[ancient basin]

as you do not have many huge single hit damage weapons

[drifting heron]

Hyper violence is really easy to get going

[ancient basin]

so its many smaller overflows that add up over time

[eternal crag]

i know that

[drifting heron]

You kill like 1 thing hard and then snowball

[eternal crag]

i just dont see it actually healing me

[livid raven]

healing?

[sturdy linden]

Healing?

[ancient basin]

hyper violence does not heal

[eternal crag]

my bad reading wrong thing

[young herald]

Run a bromentum weapon. You feel it immediately

[mint fable]

So Im wondering if Vigilant has a place as a secondary snipe weapon for a melee build

[eternal crag]

but i just dont see it procking

[livid raven]

it has no icon

[eternal crag]

ahhh

[livid raven]

for some godforsaken reason

[flat mist]

well as if the top left of the stimm tree could get any worse... the instant toughness doesnt work with stimm supply 💀

[mint fable]

Or simply using vigilant autogun as part of a gun build

[ancient basin]

im talking like ogryn pick axe levels of single hit

which would be a funny weapon type on hive scum

[light phoenix]

How does one hordeclear with bonesaw?

[bronze glade]

Light spam

And cleave

[ancient basin]

attack speed light spam in rampage with adrenaline

[livid raven]

i thought it was light>heavy

[ancient basin]

alternatively

[flat mist]

push attack heavy heavy is a cleaving combo, or light spam. you need shock and awe

and atleast one source of cleave

[eternal crag]

by dropping it and using shivs

[ember folio]

what's best melee for 'shit went down' situ?

[eternal crag]

[livid raven]

shivs

[bronze glade]

The heavies are insanely slow. You're better off using lights

[alpine hazel]

does stamina perk on weapon increase attack speed with that talent

[eternal crag]

unironically

[ember folio]

the heavy-stabby or the heavy-swingy?

[eternal crag]

using any other melee wepon

would be better than the saw

[light phoenix]

Thanks fellas, still grinding the Scum

...that didn't sound right

[eternal crag]

keep going jojo

[ancient basin]

light > heavy repeating works, as well as push attack > heavy > heavy > (light > heavy)

[eternal crag]

scum gets good when you are lvl 30

[cedar cairn]

Who up grinding the ol scum

[livid raven]

preferences, mk3 (heavy swingy) has faster lights but turboass heavies (use the heavy after the push attack instead), mk1 has better heavies

[eternal crag]

im scumming it

[ancient basin]

yes

[spark gyro]

the scoomer

[light phoenix]

I'll scum after work

[haughty slate]

I'm bout to fuckin scum

[eternal crag]

im gonna scum

[mint fable]

But yeah, when not in hordes, vigilant autogun is great for distance

[cedar cairn]

Me 45 seconds into a Fire Emblem game

[eternal crag]

so

remebr children

[mint fable]

Though I feel like the revolver and the needle gun would do sniping better

[eternal crag]

needle pistol

you dont need any damage blessings or perks

casue chem stacks do all the dmg

[fast gust]

I think your best sniping tool is still shotgun special

[eternal crag]

go full zoomie

[dull dagger]

Needle is nice with a melee focused build

[haughty slate]

and ALWAYS needle the poxburster before your friends have a chance to push it

makes for a fun little game for you and your teammates

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-heroes-thats-what-point-gif-22310650

[livid raven]

i just think vig is very illfitting with most of scum's talents

and playstyle in general

[spice cloud]

lol yeah

[eternal crag]

unironically

[novel oracle]

welcome to the darktide community
(the suggested change was pickpocket proccing off of a melee kill instead of any)

[light phoenix]

I heard Brauto is decent with Scume?

[spice cloud]

U never know when itll pop!

[haughty slate]

vig is pretty much the anti-hivescum weapon

[eternal crag]

neelder with either dmg or stopping power as 60, then sprint efficency, stamina, run and gun and stripped down

[bronze glade]

Agri desperado goes hard

[eternal crag]

best way to do

[livid raven]

he is right tho

[eternal crag]

its a utility item

[mint fable]

Pretty much

[haughty slate]

should be! brautos are good and hivescum has good ranged builds

[mint fable]

Then again, I think vigilant autogun as a whole needs a redesign

[livid raven]

brauto is like a worse dual autogun imo

no run and gun unfortunately

[mint fable]

Since the revolver could do its job better

[bronze glade]

Agri has waaaay more cleave

[ember folio]

Hive scum is really fun in Mortis until Twitchy lady decide it's time for Scab Ragers spam with Bulwark+Burster reinforcement

then it's painful'

[haughty slate]

yeah autogun is gonna be more of a sit down and turret it out

[spice cloud]

All the veteran autoguns feel shit to me im ngl

I cant have fun with them

[haughty slate]

the graia braced autogun is my baby

[mint fable]

Autoguns too basic

[livid raven]

i like infantry autoguns

[haughty slate]

999 bullets and they all do 1 damage but it instantly suppresses everything

scariest peashooter

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-3d-blast-3d-blast-3d-gif-2483163906317407726

[spice cloud]

Everythinh else is just so much more fun

[spice cloud]

And better

They really are peashooters

[charred bronze]

I like unyielding and carapace on needler. They work on the dot ticks

[mint fable]

I do want to enjoy using vigilant autogun on Hive Scum

[ember folio]

"Range Class"
Forced to melee

as a Vet main, I'm glad we still upholding this tradition /s

[eternal crag]

when everyone is shiving them like its jailhouse rock time, i see no real difference

[spice cloud]

Scum aint a specifically ranged class

[eternal crag]

ment to be used as a utility item

on this build

[haughty slate]

Veteran is a ranged class. Just like Psyker and Scum.

[spice cloud]

And i think you should atill be affected by ammo

[cedar cairn]

Born to shoot
Forced to shove

[fast gust]

The class is not only ranged.

[livid raven]

i don't

[spice cloud]

Desperado allready gives u stupendous ammounts of free ammo

[livid raven]

ammo is an outdated concept

[ember folio]

they advertsied as in-your-face range class tho. But I believe in Zealotization Evolution Theory

[mint fable]

Maybe shivs and vigilant autogun to balance the build out

[spice cloud]

No they didnt

Stop

Pickpocket gonna get nerfed get over it

[eternal crag]

everything evolves into a ramping melee build

[ember folio]

eh, fine. imma go shoot more UZIs

[haughty slate]

I'm still waiting on the fabled ranged Zealot build to reveal itself to us

[eternal crag]

[near mauve]

Ranged class
has one of the best melee ults in the game

[charred bronze]

it makes a difference in monster damage for sure. I don't know whether it changes how many needles are required to kill a crusher (3 minimum for eventual death, 5 for optimal ttk), but you'll be glad to have the extra damage if you're the only one kiting around a pack of crushers

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-burn-wargame-fantasy-burning-gif-16670316

[eternal crag]

Melee class
has one of the best ranged ults in the game

[charred bronze]

I think it should be unchanged and just moved into a Vulture sub node.

[spice cloud]

Pickpocket honestly only enables idiots without ammo economy to never pull out their melee weapon

[near mauve]

is it........le hybrid............vet 2?????????????????

[eternal crag]

vet

[near mauve]

vet but squishy

[eternal crag]

but betterer

[spice cloud]

Its completely unecessary

[near mauve]

holyshit its vet 3

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/doyobug-mind-gif-21088087

[livid raven]

hey, that's not true, i pull out melee to run at the start

[novel oracle]

im also glad that the players in the hybrid style combat game are forced to engage with both parts of the hybrid style combat

[eternal crag]

vvveeettt

[spice cloud]

I never run out of ammo even without pickpocket

[fast gust]

Vet 4, psyker is just vet with balls

[spice cloud]

Like how do u even?

[livid raven]

you are not shooting enough then

[obsidian crown]

Also doesn’t play high havocs too

[eternal crag]

with enough obscura, you too will hear the voices cry out

[obsidian crown]

[abstract lichen]

I need my agile engagement part 3

[haughty slate]

they should just get rid of vet at this point and just slap shout on hive scum

gg

[fast gust]

Rampage node

[eternal crag]

going to try both out\

[fast gust]

[livid raven]

vet is so last season

[eternal crag]

we will get a good vet

[abstract lichen]

Give scum dual plasma

[fast gust]

Scummer already has budget shout cc

[abstract lichen]

Now we talking

[eternal crag]

when we get arbites new cosmetics i nthe shop

[fast gust]

Never

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[haughty slate]

so I turned to my hot girlfriend (she's a model) and go, "Vet? More like butt."

true story

[abstract lichen]

Dual plasma, dual powersword mm

[ember folio]

Next class : 1 melee, 30 grenade. no gun

[near mauve]

this class discourse is so funny
youtubers are fighting each other, le top 1% wants to nerf bunch of shit while a lot of people are playing kissing the floor simulator and cant make the class work people who cant make the class work demand the whole identity to be changed instead of either getting better or playing another character

[eternal crag]

i said something similar to my three, yes three, weed smoking girlfriends

[charred bronze]

it enables a non-psyker class to run around doing ranged all the time, which is a fun change of pace. It's a different play style. I think it's okay for one spec of a class to do something unique, as long as it doesn't become the dominant play style.

If it does get nerfed, I prefer putting it under vulture. If cole's suggestion happens, it won't be the worst thing in the world, but I'd prefer that the unique playstyle remains intact

[mint fable]

A range build zealot would be a dream come true

Since I want to use the flamer thrower more

[haughty slate]

I remember that. It was on my space yacht.

[livid raven]

yeah it's strange, you don't see these talks about flamer psyker

[charred bronze]

the funniest thing about it is how the average player thinks scum is trash and no good, and top end players are like 'hm, this is OP and this, this, and this need a nerf'

[eternal crag]

as if content creators have anything of value to add

most of the time its just regurgitating buzz words

[obsidian crown]

I rather it doesn’t rely on melee kills but just has an icd of some sort. 15s maybe

[charred bronze]

i'd prefer the melee kills over a cooldown

[obsidian crown]

No because it forces you to not be a fucking idiot about shooting

[near mauve]

cause the good players dont get hit enough to die while the average player is facerolling

[haughty slate]

Everyone shouldn't be allowed to have opinions until they hit level 30. The class is pretty good, but the skill tree is an unintuitive mess.

[abstract lichen]

Level 3000*

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[obsidian crown]

ICD is 100% better than melee kills.

[eternal crag]

everybodies opinions are stupid but mine

[charred bronze]

Eh, it was easy enough to find the good talents for desperado and rampage. Stimm is way less straightforward to me

[haughty slate]

damn... my opinion was that your opinions are true

[charred bronze]

why?

[haughty slate]

[high gull]

At that point it's just paradox of choice.

[eternal crag]

and my opinion is that my opinions are wah t ever will irritate those immedietly around me

[obsidian crown]

I can tell you don’t play high havocs but try fighting for melee kills as a desperado build to get ammo when other melee classes do better than you

[eternal crag]

i dont even play darktide

[haughty slate]

I think most people complaining have not realized that all the normal survivability nodes that are usually at the top of the skill tree are in the bottom middle. Makes a massive difference in higher difficulties.

[charred bronze]

you're correct, I don't have a havoc team, so I haven't been there. I would presume that there would be so many elites around at high havoc that getting a kill on one would be readily available, but I guess not?

[eternal crag]

arbite just taught people to stand still

[fast gust]

Most of the playerbase can't read talents

[livid raven]

i wouldn't be worried about any nerf for now

[eternal crag]

what do you mean we have to dodge to dodge

[high gull]

Most players can't read...

[livid raven]

they will start nerfing in a month or two after the sale peak goes low

[eternal crag]

this is bullshit i tell you!

[haughty slate]

I'm using tilt controls!

[charred bronze]

well, that's unlikely. If they want to boost sales, they'll make the class easier to play, which means buffs, while nerfing the stuff top players think is problematic

[near vapor]

I give up.

[obsidian crown]

The melee is not great on desperado. Anyone who takes a melee build in havoc will do way better than you at melee for obvious reasons. It becomes “annoying” trying to fish for a melee kill. Especially if you end up having to solo clutch for some reason. Having a ICD will be better instead

[near vapor]

twin gave up 🥀 🥀 🥀