hivescum-class

[zealous ravine]

the real main weapon

[charred bronze]

which perks are you using on it?

[sturdy linden]

[ancient basin]

does +damage give damage to the needler dot

or just to the shot itself

[amber sundial]

Whatever weapon you hold out

it affects the dot

[novel oracle]

unyielding cara

[ancient basin]

I have just been using it to pop crushers, specials, and bosses

seems pretty good as a side arm

[half arch]

Lowk I feel like taxe doesnt even need BM when you have the cleave modifier from rampage. Don't really need damage either since you're already pumped with it from the class and headtaker. Personally I fw agile really hard, you're actually untouchable

[zealous ravine]

hi wahts the good taxe i forgor

[livid raven]

mk 7

the gold one

[zealous ravine]

cool

[manic wolf]

Scum is kinda untouchable anyway provided you have good stam management, Agile is massive overkill in most cases

[charred bronze]

if you mean one of the best anti unyielding and carapace sidearms in the game, then yes. Better than pretty good. It's not suited to be a primary, but it's one of the best things in scum's kit, alongside the tox grenade imo

[half arch]

Yes but its funny and activates my lizard brain

[ancient basin]

yeah, crusher clearing is S+ tier

[charred bronze]

people say 4 and 7. I liked 7 much more

[spark gyro]

Brothers

I'm switching my bomber and flamer resist to poxburster

[manic wolf]

Totally fair lmao

[amber sundial]

hear me out, just don’t play the game. 100% everything resist

[zealous ravine]

imma try 4 too then

[half arch]

The gold one is the one with the diag heavy then the top down heavy right

I always forget

[charred bronze]

someone told me to try unarmored and it felt like an improvement. Needler takes care of unarmored ogryns and monsters anyway, and I clear while it ticks. Been working well

[amber sundial]

Chem Tox already deals 2x to unarmoed and maniac

No need to buff that more

[novel oracle]

unarmored was for stuff like vet and zealot before their reworks for bruiser bm breakpoints but they got their general damage buffed so they dont really need it anymore

[zealous ravine]

yup taxe still aint for me

the curse of enjoying 2 handers

[charred bronze]

oh yes, their servers are fuxxored

[charred bronze]

just got kicked outta the morningstar

[amber sundial]

Dmg multiplier for tox

[high gull]

Brahms got sick of yer shit

Into the airlock you go varlet

[zealous ravine]

ejected out f or being sus

[charred bronze]

only a matter of time, bruv.

clunk hssssss

Hm, nice in here, really.

[lucid raptor]

chuckled

[high gull]

That truly is the best hairstyle ganger has

And the best part

It's not locked behind the cash shop or the deluxe edition

[lucid raptor]

real disappointing the ganger hairstyles aren't avail on other classes tbh

[charred bronze]

ah yup, they were talking about breakpoints, not buffing tox ticks

[mighty belfry]

ya know what

maxed out combat and speed stim not bad on supply

[charred bronze]

ahh good to know. How do you think taxe stacks up vs shivs? I haven't returned to the shivs yet

[amber sundial]

Saw needler and brain shut off for everything else lol

[charred bronze]

needler makes my brain shut off too, but in a good way

[novel oracle]

shivs prolly have better single target but taxe mulches mixed hordes faster

[near vapor]

graaaaah

just as I had spent my steam points...

[amber sundial]

Needler makes heretic brains shut off too :)

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/disgustang-disgusting-disgusteng-havinashet-shet-gif-12520181

[near vapor]

I wanted the Atoma frame...

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/disgustang-disgusting-disgusteng-havinashet-shet-gif-12520181

[charred bronze]

hm, I'll get some time on shivs just cuz, but I think I'll end up settling on the taxe for a general use weapon. Needler is such a good option for hard targets, single target is less of a consideration for me (I don't play havoc sadly, so I don't know what the differential is there)

[amber sundial]

Its possible to gift steam points through awards right

[sturdy linden]

I was just testing chaxe in psyk, didn't realize it had just bonkers stagger baseline

[manic wolf]

Join game > Is event modifier > 2 Scum, one Vet plus I > Think it'll be easy > Everyone else dies before first Altar ¬.¬

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sturdy linden]

if you see a plasma vet just queue dodge

they're returning players completely clueless about the game but think they're hot shit so may as well queue up for auric hey

[manic wolf]

I really might have to start doing that.

They're only guna die and leave instantly anyway

[near vapor]

yeah avoid me playing plasma vet

😈

[lucid raptor]

worth taking +carapace on heavy sword over unyielding?

[charred bronze]

been with a few perfectly serviceable plas vets lately, myself. Had a run of bad luck, did you?

[near vapor]

no

[lucid raptor]

hivescum gets a lotta rending so idk

[charred bronze]

not enough to make the h sword kill carapace

[sturdy linden]

extremely. Plus I have a couple acquaintances doing this exact same thing (haven't played DT for months, using plasma vet and hopping on auric and then whining to me about how Vet has been nerfed and is underpowered)

[charred bronze]

ah. Vet is among my least played. I know they nerfed plasma a bit and you gotta charge it now. What's the new hotness?

[sturdy linden]

no I mean.. these are people that haven't played in months. So not only are they rusty, they also missed the difficulty rework + the carapace HP buff

[manic wolf]

Aaand that time i fucked up by overextending.. This evening is going well

[azure mist]

Thats why, new exploit weakness is literally constant free 20%+ damage cause of Recip talent + Taxe shitting out crits on its own

[sturdy linden]

better than getting tossed over a ledge because the Arbitrator used his shotgun into a mob of tentacle poxwalkers

[azure mist]

Time to go back to playing random Aurics or Havocs

[manic wolf]

That is very much not ideal...

[charred bronze]

did that yesterday trying to rush through a gas cloud. Ended up pinned against a wall by some crushers, bulwarks, and ragers, and I was outta nades. Sad times.

[spark gyro]

Wait a gosh darn dangnabbit minute

Since when is poxburster resist not a thing?

[sturdy linden]

the way conservation of momentum is applied in this game is also incredible ass lol. If you're dodging when a barrel explodes or a poxwalker explodes, you just get yeeted off the face of the earth

[azure mist]

Corruption resistance

[charred bronze]

never was afaik

[spark gyro]

Does it reduce their explosion damage?

[charred bronze]

nope. they exist to ruin your holidays

[spark gyro]

Not very jolly

[charred bronze]

not in the least

well, they seem pretty happy about it right before, you know

[tropic crag]

part of me loves it tho tbh

[haughty slate]

Poxbursters made us tear down our christmas nativity display

true story

[amber sundial]

Poxbursters are the reason wolfer is outta jail so canonically the worst special fr fr

[spark gyro]

Then my remaining choice is to use targeted toxin to reduce their damage, which could not possibly backfire

[amber sundial]

Your teammates will love you

[charred bronze]

hahahaha that's a choice

[haughty slate]

you're doing the right thing

[amber sundial]

just hope you didn’t shoot too early

[novel oracle]

taxe is also much safer

[tropic crag]

i normally don't like taxe but its pretty alright on the ganger

like the feel of it more than anything else

[haughty slate]

I've never tried the taxe. Something about it aesthetically just doesn't do it for me.

[zealous ravine]

yea a single 1h axe isnt really too interesting

[tropic crag]

picking weapons off of vibes is the best way to pick weapons in tide games imo lol

[manic wolf]

Third run, first altar.. both teammates get ledged by melee twin, ragequit ¬.¬

[haughty slate]

but I like the Rashad though

[high gull]

I won't lie

[zealous ravine]

i unironically jujst see a 2h wep and neuron activation

its how i choose weapons

[high gull]

The dark green version of the bount hunter jacket is nice

With the green shirt

[patent bone]

https://youtu.be/6jNQDKVnlbk?si=a9BavjfwHfcWA7kP

[zealous ravine]

vet? dont play
arby crusher zeal relic blade psy force gs

hive scum its bonesaw close enough

[tropic crag]

the bonesaw does feel meaty

[plush cove]

I made a stupid photoshop edit for a stupid thumbnail lol, thought I'd share

[haughty slate]

honestly I'm a fan of all the hivescums unique weapons

fatshark cooked

[tropic crag]

i like the heavy sword on the ganger too which isfun

[patent bone]

It's fucking beautiful

[haughty slate]

kinda badass ngl he's just like me fr

[zealous ravine]

not peak melees on this class but pretty good

[tropic crag]

i agree with you, they've been fun to use, i like more of the ganger weapons then i did the arby weapons

[bronze glade]

BS feels ass to use

[zealous ravine]

arby weps r defo lamer

[bronze glade]

Crowbar is just ass

[charred bronze]

leveled adrenaline. Thoughts on this for all-guns-all-the-time desperado?

[zealous ravine]

yea i wana like bonesaw so bad but it feels a little off

[tropic crag]

honestly i like bonesaw and crowbar

[bronze glade]

Stub pis out put all points into aura and not enough into actual performance

[haughty slate]

I think it's the default attack speed. Just feels too slow.

[zealous ravine]

dual stubbers r just peak though

[zealous ravine]

could be yea

it dooesnt even hit that hard usually

[plush cove]

chainsword + chainaxe are peak on hivescum tbh

[bronze glade]

DAP is primarily a desperado weapon and I'm not a fan of how it plays

[charred bronze]

I enjoy can opener

[tropic crag]

its even got kind of a different rhythm, because if you do a normal thing to control a horde the ones you turn back to hit are already dead, so it trims the hordes differently and takes time to get used to, at least thats what i noticed

[bronze glade]

The weapons carapace performance is good but horde clear is pretty atrocious

[plush cove]

tis why u got da macs ig lol

[tropic crag]

naw the blunt side works well if you use ogryn shovel mk3 rotations

[plush cove]

but I mean, its basic non-special is pretty decent no?

built in thrust

[reef spoke]

When it gets Crit Bonus it should be a lot better

[plush cove]

basically shovel

[bronze glade]

Macs don't even have good horde clear and crowbar basically needs adren and rampage

[mighty belfry]

stub pistols are bugged ya

[tropic crag]

yeah its alot like shovel but the special attack stays "on" and is less one shotty more cc

[ancient basin]

hammer blow on the dclaw is actually kinda good on HS

[bronze glade]

What's the crit bonus?

[charred bronze]

it's not the best primary weapon for scum, agreed. But it's highly utilitarian as a secondary

[mighty belfry]

The stat is straight up not working

[plush cove]

it's fast enough to kill trash fast enough tho, I used it and the dual pistols as horde clear in H40 and it worked pretty well

[delicate lava]

favorite melee def shivs I think they feel so so good

[tropic crag]

its a jack of all trades weapon and it does it well

[mighty belfry]

Pistols should be way better than they are rn

[half arch]

Nah OG Combat blade stays winning

[tropic crag]

the pistols feel pretty good to me, but i just use them as a side weapon

[half arch]

[novel oracle]

what title do i jumpscare people with today

[charred bronze]

Hyper-critical is bugged to stop all toughness generation on kill? Or only melee toughness gen on kill?

[haughty slate]

more words more scary

[bronze glade]

It's more than twice the clear speed against scab bruisers compared to Rashad

[tropic crag]

auric storm survivor is the only scary one

[delicate lava]

I gotta try combat blade out tbf. but shiv styleeee

[nocturne elk]

hewwo

[high gull]

Nah fam

You see true survivor

[bronze glade]

I don't expect weapons to match Rashad cut this is REALLY far off to the shit end

[high gull]

You gotta start questioning the people you're with

[nocturne elk]

i wanna talk about hivescum but i am afraid of being skill issued into oblivion

[zealous ravine]

if you run true survivor remembber to die to the first o verhead in every match

[keen timber]

Skill issue

[zealous ravine]

it'll instantly make it awesome and joyous

[charred bronze]

taxe hits like rashad after you have buffs built up. It's like a rashad at knife speeds with adrenaline going. Glorious

[high gull]

Go on

[haughty slate]

Eh. Ignore em. It's the highest skillcap class and has a buttload of jank baked into its skill tree that gimps builds.

Still an awesome class though

[plush cove]

funnily enough I killed more than the psyker with fire staff today with the 2-pistols alone.

[tender forge]

also most of its gamechanger nodes are at the bottom of the tree

[nocturne elk]

half of talent tree/kits of hive scum i feel like it working against each other instead of working together

[tender forge]

I'd say maybe a third

[high gull]

You're not wrong.

[tropic crag]

yeah takes like level 16 to start feeling like you have anything at all

[tender forge]

mostly the chem toxin branch

though I think fs did something to blackouts (server side)

they are regenerating far better now

[zealous ravine]

lmao

[haughty slate]

The chem toxin branch is pretty booty. Great idea, but clearly was not tested as much as it needed.

[tropic crag]

maybe you are just killing more things like an awesome gamer?

[nocturne elk]

blinder for example didnt count enemies that die on DoT,this class mechanic is chem... it didnt work on its selling point 😭

[trim wind]

it's hypercritical and the crate/dependancy mainly

[tender forge]

I was killing in uprising...

[plush cove]

ngl chem dependency is a weird keystone

[ancient basin]

melee focus, ranged focus, ability spam focus

[high gull]

Give it about a month, devs probably fucked off on mandatory vacation.

[tender forge]

I'm still annoyed there is no buiff icon in game

[high gull]

Things may get fixed.

[tender forge]

for blinder regen

[keen timber]

It’s fatshark so heavy emphasis on the ‘may’

[novel oracle]

every time i log into darktide im like "do i really want to play more? ive played so much recently i should take a break"
then i open kcd2 and have it paused the whole time talking here until i close kcd2 and reopen darktide to show something

[haughty slate]

I can't believe there's still no in-game scoreboard... I blame gamers

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-5503484

[amber sundial]

It exists purely in psykanium lol

[bronze glade]

Fuckers should be forced to work overtime until they fix the talent tree

[compact valley]

whats the best build out there rn

[tender forge]

yup

[plush cove]

@novel oracle you guys playtested, where exactly does the "chem dependecy" keystone land on the overall dynamic for you guys?

[tropic crag]

naw honestly they fix most things, they have like a 50% chance of breaking it again in a future update but they really do fix most things lol

[novel oracle]

keystone is dogshit

[tender forge]

and its more hlepful info than 50% of the hs buffs

[keen timber]

Time to go full Japanese sleeping in the office to maximise work hours mode

[high gull]

From what Kez said

It USE to work in the playtest

[keen timber]

Yeah it just takes them a few weeks to a few years

[high gull]

No fucking idea why it doesn't work with crate on live.

[tender forge]

they broke it because of the funny mode

[amber sundial]

chem dependency would be decent on any other characters abilities

[tender forge]

if it worked for stim lab it would be great

[novel oracle]

chem dependency was an idea we pitched actually and they decided to use
except they changed the important parts to worse things that defeated the point of the keystone

[tender forge]

oh?

[keen timber]

Lmao

[haughty slate]

Even if it did work I don't know when I would use it... The stim lab has a node that invalidates the point of it

[tropic crag]

i've just been using middle tree which seems to be a mostly fine tree

[keen timber]

Middle tree is good

[high gull]

Same tbh

[plush cove]

interesting...what exactly did you guys have in mind?

[high gull]

Adren chemist isn't bad

[plush cove]

I do feel like it just giving 30% cdr only by default is...strange

[nocturne elk]

[haughty slate]

The one ability you want stim lab for has a cooldown reset on a separate ability. Just silly from Fatshark, really.

[tender forge]

eh I like full offense

[high gull]

@azure mist We getting there

100 soon

[plush cove]

I stress tested chem dependency today in H40...jesus christ, it really fell short vs switching back to Vulture's Mark lol

[bronze glade]

I don't think the dependency keystone is too bad with desperado but definitely weird that it's counter synergistic with stimm supply

[tropic crag]

i'm just so exceptionally bonk brained that i just look for the most melee path and put all my points there tbh

[nocturne elk]

i love how stim supply state to "copy" your stim but it litteraly "use" your stim to apply buff

[plush cove]

played 2 game swith it

[livid raven]

it felt worse in aurics

i can't imagine in h40

[tender forge]

without any stim buffs

[bronze glade]

I like it more than vulture tbh

[ripe seal]

i didn't realize htat the stim pistol was the size of your forearm, it doesn't look that big when you're holding it

[haughty slate]

what that?

[novel oracle]

its literally in the name
it was pitched as stim regen that stacked up in a similar way to base, so using stims often gave you even more stims, as a way of leaning into that part of the class heavily
the subnodes gave you the options for good buffs per stack from the chem part, but a notable debuff as part of the dependency part, an example i just made up and throw around is 5% crit chance and 10% crit damage per stack of chem dep, but -5% stamina regen per stack

[tropic crag]

first person games have to pull some silly stuff with sizes and things for the players sake, so i'm pretty sure it is smaller when we are holding it out

[plush cove]

I played it with stimm supply, to see if I could make it work...I mean, there wasn't any big issue...but you really didn't feel anything different lol, nothing at all

[tender forge]

full attack speed and max power (with rending)

[haughty slate]

I was talking about the keystone

[novel oracle]

but you can see what they kinda interpereted it as

[tender forge]

ah I just ran the toughness

[novel oracle]

with the changes they made to the idea

[tender forge]

on my rampage build

to sorta work as an oh shiot button

[livid raven]

beta testers got owned

[haughty slate]

yeah turns out your idea was bad after making a bunch of probably unnecessary changes

[plush cove]

huh. I mean the crits are cool, but the 2 other subnodes are pretty weird.

[zealous ravine]

chem dependency is a doohickey keystone rn

[nocturne elk]

i love this class that i can do one build i wanted for so long... run and gun double barrel problem is i wanted DoT run and gun but there is so little support for ranged chem

[fleet lantern]

Hmmm. Powderburn and Desperado for stub pistols?

[novel oracle]

run n gun no question

[haughty slate]

powderburn ain't very good sah

[tender forge]

anyway if stimm pack worked with dependency, a really weak stim could work really well

[amber sundial]

Chen dependency would be cool if it actually was stim CD so I could spam even more stim bombs

[novel oracle]

then speedload if running desperado, or any of the other crit/damage blessings if not using it on desperado

[tender forge]

for just constant toughness gen

[fleet lantern]

Oh, it's not basekit like the autopistols, good shout.

[tender forge]

and toxin

[plush cove]

I went Desperado + Crucian lol, I was basically getting 100% crits, got more crits than Psyker's flame staff today in H40

[novel oracle]

not just the sprint hipfire function
the accuracy REALLY helps it

like it instantly becomes so much better

[haughty slate]

especially when you're running around at mach 10 like a freak

[nocturne elk]

i use run and gun and speed loader cause I hated when it slow down while i reloading when i am being a fast crackhead so i wanted faster reload

[plush cove]

ngl tho, I didnt use run and gun today, even with the wider spread it was still pretty damn accurate to pick off snipers and stuff ngl

didnt feel any kink

[livid raven]

you still can't run while reloading no?

[fleet lantern]

That's what's making me want to try the stub pistols on my vulture/desperado build already, so that's good to know. Speedload just to maintain uptime? Is that better than the extra crit from blessing!Desperado?

[ripe seal]

i did sorta get into the flow with chem and stim case of popping the stim normally for dependancy, than throwing down the crate whenever able since you get it off cooldown once the stim is back, throwing down a crate with the chem active so it automatically goes on cooldown and you can refresh it by the time it runs out

its a fucked up flow that should be fixed up, but it does work a little

[nocturne elk]

yeah... so i wanted to shorten reloading animation as fast as possible

[fleet lantern]

That makes sense.

[ripe seal]

more games need shoot and reloading

[novel oracle]

the reloads are quite long for such a low capacity, and when the name of the game is "never stop shooting", time spent reloading is time wasted

[livid raven]

payday 2 had shoot while sprinting AND lateral/back sprinting

[haughty slate]

if you throw down the crate without stim you get nothing out of it but healing corruption

[nocturne elk]

i also love how this class have the sliding avoid melee damage so i can slide reload and avoid melee damage too into the crowd

[ripe seal]

that's why you run the skill for it to apply posion when it runs out

[fleet lantern]

Ah, and it is super fast in your clip, too. Nice.

[novel oracle]

it helps maintain desperado uptime, as well as vultures dodge too

[ripe seal]

and it was the fucking best thing ever

[nocturne elk]

they should have the sprint and reload talent for this class man idk im noob

[tropic crag]

i think they work better as "shoot the odd elite special" sidearm for melee builds tbh

[haughty slate]

but then you're not getting the most of that either if you're making a useable stim on a longer cooldown... Fatshark really owned us with that one

[fleet lantern]

Oh? Is that why it puts the stimm on cooldown? That means you shouldn't run stimm crate at all if you want to run dependency.

[livid raven]

indeed

they are anti-synergistic

[haughty slate]

Yep. It makes 0 sense.

[ripe seal]

don't the stub pistols only have a 2 second or so base reload?

[fleet lantern]

That's why those stimm penances took so damn long, lmao.

[novel oracle]

yeah thats why you can swap speedload for something else there

[amber sundial]

man I hope they change chem dep to the stim CD as it was suggested

[nocturne elk]

thats why i complained it state that it "copy" but it litteraly "use"

[livid raven]

you'd think at the very least the ability and capstone of the same branch would work together

[haughty slate]

If you're running the stim crate build, you don't want the stim keystone underneath it

[supple torrent]

Does Stim Supply bonuses stack? Like if me an another Hive run two red stims?

[livid raven]

yeah

[novel oracle]

the literal unique mechanic and you have 3 nodes in the tree that actually relate to what they do
+5s duration
blessed stims
and sample collector

[amber sundial]

Yea it’s why stimm crate got gutted a bit in testing

[ripe seal]

you're not getting the most out of your crate without the stim but the poison makes up for it and if you keep up the flow I said, you get to maintain stacks while getting alot of crates down with half having the stim for support and all of them having the poison which worksin to the rest of your tree

[amber sundial]

You could get infinite TDR and CDR on your boxes for immortality

[supple torrent]

Oh, that's why it consume your stimm now

[ripe seal]

its still weird and I don't think its how they want it to feel

[livid raven]

the poison is a glorified blinder

[novel oracle]

and sample collecter is buried so its not really worth digging for it for builds that dont go there already
+5s is whatever cuz it delays the stim cooldown
and blessed stims is basically only for blight in havoc

[tender forge]

but yeah low stimm cooldown build: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a08c720a-0393-4e18-b2ac-c03ba18b2fac

assuming fixed chem dependency

just spam boxes

[livid raven]

if you want desperado sample collector you have to sacrifice so much

[haughty slate]

at that point I think I would rather just go for the 15 second stim pack mine build personally but I haven't tried yours

[ripe seal]

the fact that using up your stim by deploying the crate automatically puts it on cooldown while still giving you the effect means that by the time the crate stim wears off, you should probably have your own stim off cooldown

[nocturne elk]

i love blinder with chem talent

[novel oracle]

ranged scum sucks when i make a bad build wtf

[nocturne elk]

but i have to waste so much to get it,i wish chem tree is in the middle

[tender forge]

technically you can lower the stim cooldown more

[limber cradle]

I kept trying to make it work but like, all I'm using are the guns anyway

[tender forge]

and also get even faster rotaitons by dropping like a butterfly

[azure mist]

you actually committing to maining HS?

[limber cradle]

What kinda stimm you using on ranged scum?

[livid raven]

CDR only i'm guessing

[limber cradle]

Cause I want to run not CDR only but

CDR only seems like the best choice

[tender forge]

don't you need the rending for crushers?

[limber cradle]

You get it in Desp anyway

And tbh?

Still easier to beat them to death

[amber sundial]

Shiv got crushers covered

[limber cradle]

Big time ime

[azure mist]

Lmao this is the exact type of shit I do when im like "Hmm should I play Zombies" and then I stare at the menu for 1 hour talking in here and then go load up DT again when someone brings up something they need an example of LMAO

[halcyon adder]

so whats the difference in the needle pistol marks besides one of their explosive strains actually does something

[supple torrent]

I picked gun build to use gun.

[tender forge]

I.. run both the rending in tree and on sitm so I can 20 bullet crushers with my iag

[novel oracle]

on my build specifically
probably atk speed up to reload speed
and/or strength with rending/crit chance

[amber sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447422939476791337/image.png?ex=693839e8&is=6936e868&hm=a78e2bebfe3b188ddf5317ccb3286444630665d7f42ece7b8b7162c5300e7720&

[novel oracle]

if you dont go pure cdr

[haughty slate]

well you see

[supple torrent]

I'm gonna stack rending and gun down crushers.

[high gull]

Until the next best thing comes along

[limber cradle]

Thanks, I've been running movement stimm cause I love the feeling of it and crit stim cause lol vultures dodge, I'll give rending reload a try

[tender forge]

if you run iag not sure if you needs the reload speed

[haughty slate]

the mk6 tickles their toes a little

[nocturne elk]

how much shiv chem give for each throw? i might get pitchfork for it... but i feel like you should be able to throw 10 times instead of 3.. idk

[ripe seal]

the one that doesn't have the toxin spread special gives more stacks of toxin on crit/headshot, but that's also the weaker effect

[tender forge]

I run only thje first 3 attack speed

[limber cradle]

I don't use IAG tbh

I understand it's good

[amber sundial]

Mmm yes let’s entirely replace zealots throwing knives then

[limber cradle]

Not stylish tho

[tender forge]

its... a lot of fun

[novel oracle]

thats what i used when the stim was on a 30s fixed cd

[limber cradle]

Not as fun as running and gunning imo

[tardy citrus]

still got that new crack feel 😩

[nocturne elk]

zealot have one?

[bronze glade]

Uh six stacks maybe? With bonus for weakspot or crit

[amber sundial]

Zealots knives are a blitz

[tender forge]

fair, it just reminds me of 100% rending iag from zealot

[limber cradle]

Nah thats reasonable

[bronze glade]

It's a good amount of stacks

[limber cradle]

If i could sprint and shoot it I'd use it

[ripe seal]

do t he zealot knives have the same throwing arc as the shiv ones

[livid raven]

no

[novel oracle]

yeah no
not when they apply 4-8 toxin per knife

[tender forge]

I wish they gave the iag run and gun

[limber cradle]

But I'm playing this class cause I'm in love with movement

[livid raven]

they have a better throwing arc

[amber sundial]

Shivs are heavier

I think

Idk

Been so long since I played zealot

[tardy citrus]

Scum movement does feel really good.

[tender forge]

tbjh I'm playing wsith a newbie friend

[livid raven]

shivs throwing knives are basically melee ranged

[tardy citrus]

Definitely fast.

[tender forge]

so been running stim pack

with toughness to help him stay alive

[novel oracle]

its fucked up using them for any range cuz its a different button so it breaks my brain

[ripe seal]

i don't run that kinda zealot really so I don't know how they feel, the shiv knives are cool but I find them weird to throw, same with black outs

[tender forge]

honestly the pack makes coherency regen not shit

[livid raven]

i bound special to Q so it became much easier after that

[novel oracle]

q is weapon swap wtf

[livid raven]

i never used Q to swap weapons anyway

[limber cradle]

its why i cant drop the macs for the IAG tbh

[livid raven]

i just press 2

[amber sundial]

goes to throw knife
accidentally throws blinders

[novel oracle]

this guys fucking insane

[tender forge]

trried the braced autogun?

[amber sundial]

I unbound weapon swap

[nocturne elk]

i play csgo... its muscle memory

[amber sundial]

I just scroll wheel or press 1 2

[limber cradle]

its aight, same issue as the IAG tho, not as stylish

[tender forge]

in cs I bount scrollwheel up to gun, scrollwheel down to knife

[livid raven]

i had it on V like the default but with parry weapons it was basically impossible to use that

[novel oracle]

SCROLL WHEEL???

[tender forge]

did the braced not have run n gun

[sturdy linden]

I wonder if it's at all worth it to go Desperado + Adrenaline to get some kind of hybrid playstyle going...

[tender forge]

shieeeet

[amber sundial]

don’t yell at me 😭

My bad for not having 500 mouse buttons

[tardy citrus]

i use scroll wheel to weapon swap lol

[nocturne elk]

i scrollwheel to bhop funny if it accidently scrollwheel when fighting and bhop into enemies face

[tardy citrus]

and i have a 12 button mouse

[novel oracle]

neither autoguns do it kinda sucks

[livid raven]

i got shivers just by reading that

[tender forge]

does tghe shredder?

[limber cradle]

it does not iirc

[sturdy linden]

yeah I mean it's probably a bad idea

[novel oracle]

baked in

[sturdy linden]

idk

[pale rain]

I complained about this a few days ago. I knew something weird has been going on with hit boxes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1phvgpf/now_how_did_that_even_hit_me/

[sturdy linden]

scum doesn't really have any WS-like keystone anyway

[livid raven]

has anyone tried shredders desperado

[limber cradle]

do you remember when PF TB Shredder was just the best thing in DT

[tardy citrus]

hit boxes are wonky rn yeah

[sturdy linden]

nor any concrete benefits for hybrid

[nocturne elk]

that sound funny,hey what button u use to weapon change
mouse 8
what?

[livid raven]

i'm guessing it's just a worse dual smg build

[tender forge]

tbh with all this rending shredder could return

[pale rain]

I complained about it on day one and someone replied "skill issue." Some real brain dead people...

[limber cradle]

I love scum forcing shit into viability with rending, it amuses me

[tender forge]

itys so much fun

[novel oracle]

i mean it fucks on desp VM scum just like the dual autos do
its just the dual autos deal more damage to most things save for maniac

[nocturne elk]

please dont skill issued me i will cry

[tardy citrus]

im on a needle pistol high

shit is so good

https://tenor.com/view/clubbing-coop-john-hamm-gif-6386682120420624190

[tender forge]

#fuck_dreg_ragers

[tardy citrus]

3 tap a crusher and watch it die

[livid raven]

Dual Autos also shred maniacs pretty easily imo

[amber sundial]

How about bhopping off the map lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446587637442805790/1204.mp4?ex=69387bb9&is=69372a39&hm=4089c0417b56c8bf6004927e48330b11065daaa5c690df6596c1336d9f8057e1&

[tardy citrus]

oh yeah baby

[ruby marsh]

Sheesh I just saw the Reviews on Steam, people are having tons of issues with the class.
I never interact with the Community so this is lwk a shock lmao

[tardy citrus]

mag dump a monstrosity watch it die

[novel oracle]

yeah but shredder does it better

[nocturne elk]

i wish its unlock at earlier level so newbie who bought the class dont struggle too much

[tardy citrus]

oh yeah baby

[manic wolf]

Moment when you outdamage a Scriers Psyker and a Desp' Scum with a goddamn Chainsword

[limber cradle]

Scum is hard filtering a lot of people

[livid raven]

because it's true, the class has problems

[novel oracle]

shredder hits for like 600-900 on the head with your buffs up on scum against a dreg rager

[novel oracle]

thats a steam thing tho

[tardy citrus]

Scum's not a baby ogryn with insane survivability upfront so yeah it's harder for people to pick up through the early levels.

[limber cradle]

Tbh I see less people bitching about tangible issues with scum and more "why class not invincible"

[tardy citrus]

it gains momentum in the 20's tho

[tender forge]

I remember the last time I used a shredder

was pre tree wrework

[nocturne elk]

Scum is opposite of ogryn

[novel oracle]

arbites you mean

[limber cradle]

Like scum absolutely has tangible issues like the rampant anti synergy

[tender forge]

and was taking new players into malice, and just unloaded a full 2 mags into a maulers crotch

[tardy citrus]

Arbites was just insanely chad on release and could eat damage without any milk.

[nocturne elk]

idk never play arbities i dont have money when the class came

[manic wolf]

This does seem to be the case, yeah

[tender forge]

he didnt die

[ruby marsh]

I think it has its problems, but some people are definitely getting filtered through this.
I'm relatively "new" to the game compared to others, and I can see the issues, but I still feel this class works

[tardy citrus]

Scum is wet ttissue

[limber cradle]

Scum and Ogryn are the same class, they can both kill people with bits of broken pipe.

[livid raven]

the class doesn't work until later levels

[spark gyro]

scum issue, scissue

[tardy citrus]

There are definitely some issues that need addressing I'm sure but, it's a viable class.

[manic wolf]

No, no, no, its "All glass, no cannon" remember?

[ruby marsh]

Why do you speak as if True Grit got deleted, IT'S STILL THERE

[tender forge]

I told my friends not to buy it cuz they are newer

[tardy citrus]

Idk, I definitely feel pretty cannon with my scum

[reef spoke]

Scum is easy just don't get hit

[tardy citrus]

I'm pumping.

[limber cradle]

Tbh I do not think scum is a class for most people

[manic wolf]

Lule, thats the joke 😄

[nocturne elk]

that sound like.. all the class..

[tardy citrus]

😂

[ruby marsh]

A FRIEND TOLD ME THIS WHILE PLAYING PSYKER LIKE A YEAR AGO

Honestly goated advice

[tardy citrus]

Pump a few needles into anything, watch it wilt in seconds.

Shit is nice

[manic wolf]

Arb is still eating fistfuls of nails even with nerfs it would seem

[reef spoke]

Martyrdom supremacy

[ruby marsh]

If I CBT myself enough i just end up liking it

[sturdy linden]

Steam page is full of lobotomized turtles.

[limber cradle]

Idk, Arb can eat crusher overheads for breakfast

[tardy citrus]

I'll let my OGRYN tank it thanks

But if I have to? Stim up and rampage

[manic wolf]

I wanna see this now

[zealous ravine]

dont be rude to tutels

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-turtles-zombie-kid-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-tortoise-tortuga-gif-16340543

[sturdy linden]

true, sorry turtles

you deserve better

[ruby marsh]

I tortured myself so much with Psyker builds that the Scum feels just alright

[nocturne elk]

😭 i never play arbit abr.a abr abarital strike,my friend said he can play the class blind and still win BRO

[tardy citrus]

But yeah tbh I don't think the class is super accessible for a lot of people in its early levels because it gets hit really hard.

[tender forge]

this

[limber cradle]

Tbh if you know the maps well enough I might believe that

[ruby marsh]

It's on mixed, it says a lot.
Some people are in the right, others really are just sad this isn't Arby 2
I'm just sad it isn't a techpriest

[tardy citrus]

Whereas the Arbites you could survive just by walking

[versed spruce]

99% of players have never experienced dclaw/revo psyker and it shows

[manic wolf]

Lule at least he acknowledges there are bugs, but probably only to reinforce his point

[ruby marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-walk-gif-26831766

[versed spruce]

I can't imagine running that build after scab health changes, it was already painful before

[ruby marsh]

Do gifs don't work in this channel?

[tardy citrus]

They do

[tardy citrus]

You're just new.

[tender forge]

My first auric maelstrom was on a level 1 psyker

[zinc heath]

can dual smg deal with carapace in desperdao ?

[tender forge]

it was not fun

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/clubbing-coop-john-hamm-gif-6386682120420624190

[ruby marsh]

I've been here for a year, I just don't interact

[tardy citrus]

Interact more.

Bozo.

[nocturne elk]

i also been here for years

[tender forge]

you gotta talk enough to get the red name

[tropic crag]

yeah its time and messages, then you'll get a redname and you can go back to lurking lol

[nocturne elk]

but i have 200 discord server

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/buddy-no-image-perms-gif-18006828907471357785

[limber cradle]

If you're stacking rending

[versed spruce]

Should have just inferno staff'd brah

[nocturne elk]

i cant interact all of them

[obtuse forge]

Get to yapping, conscript.

[tender forge]

I had a dclaw and a laspistol

[ruby marsh]

DCLAW IS SO GOOD I SWEAR.
God I love the Psyker, once I understood I was being pampered by the DS i just started to torture myself with other weapons

[tender forge]

[nocturne elk]

i wanna try parry build

[tender forge]

that were like 70 power each

[nocturne elk]

cause i play sekeiro

[ruby marsh]

Makes sense

[limber cradle]

I love queueing just for DT to send me into the mission failure screen

[novel oracle]

have you tried it on scum

[versed spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-not-good-gif-24090231

[manic wolf]

So the concencus on steam seems to be high effort class with no payoff...

I do not see it

[tender forge]

for a level 1 psyker, thats all you get

don't unlockl brunt till 4

[versed spruce]

In my personal experience, dodge slide dodge slide dodge slide dodge slide dodge slide dodge sli

[ruby marsh]

Not yet, first I wanna try all the class weapons, I'm a big big fan of the BS, but I feel like the Heavy Sword will hit like a truck

[spark gyro]

I remember being mixed on dclaw and preferring mk4

[tardy citrus]

Yeah I don't understand that, Stim.

[tropic crag]

most people who talk on steam are really really bad at the game or really really new, which is the same thing really

[obtuse forge]

I also heard the heavy swords are quite good on scum. What is the best way to build them?

[versed spruce]

And things just happen to die in between every dodge slide

[tardy citrus]

I've been able to carry with it in Auric

[tender forge]

anyway levelling scum in heresy at level 12 reminded me of that experience

[spark gyro]

Then I realized mk1 has a more complex moveset and is pretty fucking good

[novel oracle]

oh do you want some scum hsword clips

[tardy citrus]

The damage and ability is definitely there lmao

[novel oracle]

cuz it fucks

[tender forge]

hmm, rending

[tardy citrus]

I'm constantly rampaging/stimming bc CDR

[tulip magnet]

Got a nice clutch but my shadowcapture was off

[spark gyro]

bro is posting a clip of fucking

[manic wolf]

Ofc, but its still interesting to see what people think, even if what they think is misguided

In other news, thank you Mr Brunt

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-gif-7212093

[versed spruce]

Many players leave it at being pampered by DS so proud of you 💪

[versed spruce]

Dclaw psyker is really really fun when there's a big horde or pack of ragers on you

[tardy citrus]

holy shit that knockdown was a thing of beauty

[versed spruce]

And then the enjoyability goes down about 8 billion % when a crusher/mauler pack appears

[tropic crag]

i just spawned into a match and when i loaded i was already flying to my death off a cliff

[novel oracle]

people skip that talent and idk why

[tardy citrus]

that's what wet dreams are made of LO

LOL

that is beautiful

[novel oracle]

the atk speed debuff trivializes bosses

[tender forge]

rending on rampage right?

[manic wolf]

DClaw + Revo because those scenarios are rather common

[novel oracle]

ofc

[tropic crag]

saves you from dogs too

[tardy citrus]

yessssss hosts are so fun to fight witth scum

[tender forge]

I found I didnt need it on the scrowbar

[tardy citrus]

just mag dump them before they even respond

LMAO

[nocturne elk]

Funny take add double jump to this class so i can roleplay as scout from tf2

[tropic crag]

the knockdown node was the only one i stopped to take on my way to getting to the bottom asap

[tender forge]

but everyu tim I use the bar I wish I wa susing the shovel

[tropic crag]

when leveling i mean

[tender forge]

I think its the lack of uncanny (and bleeds on hit)

[ruby marsh]

Yeas, that sounds like a fun time

[spark gyro]

I already have blackout, so the knockdown feels a bit redundant to me

[tardy citrus]

mag dump with needle, swap to melee and engage

beautiful

[spark gyro]

It's a bigger area, but idk

Don't wanna use a point on it

[tropic crag]

you can never have too many knockdowns tbh, and it fires auto so it can save you from dogs and things

because it fires when it ends also

[spark gyro]

My tree looks like this rn

[novel oracle]

heres this one then the two above

[tardy citrus]

is the numeric timer on your stim cd a mod or justt a setting?

[spark gyro]

Jittery is hilarious

[novel oracle]

mod

[manic wolf]

It does turn off monsters for a breif while so its a decent pickup, but I also dont wanna waste a point on it given there are a lot of competative nodes to choose from

[tardy citrus]

damn might need to cop that

[compact valley]

running into a weird clunkyness, i use my stim right? is it supposed to be auto reapplying periodically or is my game freaking out ? And is it meant to make you walk slow to where sprint button doesnt work

[tardy citrus]

no

[tender forge]

I feel like you are missing some good nodes there

(mainly hive city brawler)

[high gull]

@azure mist Watching a level 1500 psyker solo 8 bosses in a single room is some shit lemme tell you

[tender forge]

which is a better damage boost than the elites one

[novel oracle]

do you not like a long rampage or something

[tender forge]

I still prefer pack over rampage too

[novel oracle]

that will never be up cuz of the stamina profile of scum

but that fine cuzthe dr is more valuable

[tardy citrus]

boiling blood is a crazy node btw

you can stay up FOREVER against bosses

[tender forge]

is the damage not on the same stacking as the dr?

[novel oracle]

theyre inverse

[tender forge]

ah

lmao

[novel oracle]

read it again

[tender forge]

I can't read

[ancient basin]

high stam, dr, low stam, damage+

so when your rampage ends you hit harder

[novel oracle]

this talent is good but because its fundamentally flawed

[tender forge]

I blame my cleaver usage for not noticing the damage diferences

[manic wolf]

Its backwards lule

[ancient basin]

the talent tree just has lots of small rending buffs sprinkled around

even the weapons have odd rending values too

little bit here, little there

[tender forge]

I can't figure out how to use the bar

blessings wise

[ancient basin]

the crowbar?

[tender forge]

yeah

[meager vortex]

Me neither

Shivs seem better

[tender forge]

I've used it

[charred bronze]

huh, I didn't take it. I usually needle monsters anyway

[tender forge]

but how I'[m using it a chainsword is probably better

[ancient basin]

the power attacks hit pretty hard, the stagger on lights is nice, but the dodge distance/charges are smaller, and you are slower on foot that the shivs

[meager vortex]

I found it too slow

[tender forge]

I use the cleaver on my stimm pack build

and shivs on my desperado

[meager vortex]

Yeah basically the speed was the issue

[tender forge]

the horde clear of the cleaver is pretty good

[zinc heath]

Huh we can do that ? Trying to figure out how two scums in my last game tore through no man land like we are playing on malice or something. Like they barely get pinned down and deleted all the elites we meets fast.

I only know that both are using despardos and dual smg

[novel oracle]

thats your answer

[ancient basin]

desperado auto pistols go brrrr

cant take ranged damage

so free reign

[zinc heath]

Is it really that good ? I have a lvl 30 scum but eh no god roll dual smg yet but when i was leveling them, dual smg doesn't seme to have that good of a performance

[tender forge]

yeah

when maxed rending

[ancient basin]

they fuck super hard when you play them right

[charred bronze]

it's mid at low levels, very strong at 30

[glacial gyro]

They were probably running desperado builds

[flat mist]

Point. Shoot. Reload. Repeat. Win. It's not a complicated formula.

[tender forge]

my desperado build 1 mags a malice boss

[tardy citrus]

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee is this class's motto

[sturdy linden]

scum performance when levelling <<<<<<< scum performance at 30. Do not mix the two.

it is a VERY bottom heavy class

[surreal surge]

Does anyone know whether Blessed Stimms activates with Stimm Supply?

[glacial gyro]

yeah all the good shit is at the bottom

[ancient basin]

when you actually have enemy density to farm duration, the dream (usually the whole map is spread out or dead the instant you try to do cool shit)

[zinc heath]

Guess i should go farm some diamante and prepare for this dual smg build

[ancient basin]

once you get down to pick pocket range you just use the autos to pick off specials and elites until desperado comes back, then you go ham again

[novel oracle]

my build for it is in the pins

[meager vortex]

Indeed, so far its been at 50/50 fot me

[novel oracle]

bear in mined, with tap firing you can hit stuff quite far

[glacial gyro]

@novel oracle Chainaxe, thoughts? I've been having a lot of success with it and it gets to some very insane damage once it gets moving.

[novel oracle]

im not a chainaxe guy tbh

i wouldnt have many thoughts on it

[glacial gyro]

Fair enough

[sinful matrix]

Chainaxe gud

As long as you're using the new mark

I wouldn't use the OG one

[fluid drum]

Which needle gun mark do yall think is more fun, the explosive strain or the area disperal strain?

[flat mist]

Slippery customer is gonna ruin me on other classes I swear

[novel oracle]

both are good now

[ancient basin]

yeah tap fire works great too

[flat mist]

Feels so good

[sinful matrix]

I just don't like the moveset on the old one

[glacial gyro]

the base one because the explosive one is a gimmick that, in my experience does nothing

[sinful matrix]

mash mouse 1 for everything but crushers is easy for my ogryn brain

[charred bronze]

dot ticks are less damage too iirc from messing around in psychanium

[flat mist]

I like good weapons so I use the aoe dot

[fluid drum]

Gonna run shivs with needle and rage through the enemies

[ashen hamlet]

Is it worth trying out the chainaxe?

[charred bronze]

it's aight, the taxe is better. Certainly viable if you prefer the vibes though

[ashen hamlet]

I don’t really fuck with this bone saw but I want a hefty weapon

[amber sundial]

giant ass syringe melee when

[tender forge]

have you tried out csword?

[glacial gyro]

My problem with the mk4 is that it is utterly reliant on its heavies for horde clear, which is just reintroducing the speed problems again. The class gets so much damage that light spamming with the mk12 is more than enough to oneshot basically anything anyway meaning its overhead heavies really fuck up the things you want to be using overhead havies on. The moveset is just superior on the 12.

[ashen hamlet]

I thought Chainsword sucked more than everything

[young herald]

i'm kinda coming around to this with the chaxe

[glacial gyro]

It feels like a meatier rashad

[novel oracle]

no but ive heard good things from others

[young herald]

it feels so good

[limber cradle]

Yeah, stimm lab, top top right. Rending and strength.

@novel oracle I do be fuckin with rending reload speed stimm tbh

[bronze glade]

Man ngl I do not vibe with the on dodge talents

With the three second uptime

[ashen hamlet]

So the Mk12 is the good chainaxe?

[bronze glade]

Fuck that

[tender forge]

does shred work with the csword special?

[young herald]

https://tenor.com/bdgHU.gif

[bronze glade]

Yes

[zinc heath]

Soo basically if i see crushers. It is pop cartel specials and pray it dies to bullet hose ?

[tender forge]

wonder if you could super stack chem toxin and bleed stacks

with the special

[ashen hamlet]

I’ve only ever played Ogryn, so I haven’t tried out 90% of the in game weapons

Trying to find what I like

[glacial gyro]

Yes. Its also very simple. Its hordeclear combo is LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. Its 'kill crushers and maulers' combo is HHHHHHHHHH.

[ashen hamlet]

Oh sweet

Sounds like a weapon for me

[glacial gyro]

Its basically a meatier Rashad

[drifting heron]

Anyone having issues with Vultures Mark stacks not showing on HUD

[young herald]

the best chainaxe is the hidden mark that is only available in the psykhanium.

The second best is the mk4. The 12 does alright now though, after the last round of buffs

[trim wind]

i prefer mk4 elsewhere, probably the same if i were to use it here

[tender forge]

if I can get a csword I'll try it

[ashen hamlet]

What about chainswords and regular swords? Haven’t tried those out either

I absolutely hate the bonesaw

Too slow

Too clunky

Not enough carnage

[young herald]

heavy sword is, as always, the platonic ideal of a weapon

and does fucking hilarious things with hyper-violence

[tender forge]

I'm thinking with all of the rending you can get, you may be able to get some nutty dot bnumbers with the csword

[bronze glade]

Same

[tender forge]

see I love the saw

push attack lights for good horde clear

[ashen hamlet]

I want a weapon with some heft, not something that does DoT

[tender forge]

and heavies

[novel oracle]

iirc chainaxes still have the 4 target cleave cap on their light attacks

[ashen hamlet]

I go to push and cleave and suddenly I’m stuck in the first enemy I hit

[glacial gyro]

I think the reason the 4 is not as good as the 12 here is because of the sheer amount of damage ramping you do. The horiontal heavies are overkill into everything but also give up speed. If HS had a node that removed the slowdown on heavy attacks like zealot or ogryn I might feel differently, but your lights on the 12 oneshot anything anyway once you get stacked, so its faster and does the same job.

[novel oracle]

do you have any cleave buffs whatsoever

[ashen hamlet]

Yes

[tender forge]

needs cleave talent in the tree, and 2 cleave blessings

[obsidian crown]

Reason why blackout blitz slept on

[limber cradle]

What perks are we slapping on needle pistol? Does it even matter?

[tender forge]

I've only had to use blackouts on mixed hordes

[young herald]

saw needs cleave talents + shock and awe and then also using the right moves

[novel oracle]

this is with shock and awe for -60% hitmass
decimator for 50% power
and battering strikes for 50% cleave

[obsidian crown]

Blackout with tox node is pretty good

[ashen hamlet]

I’m running cleave but man I shouldn’t need every cleave talent to not get stuck in one trash enemy

[near vapor]

unyielding and carapace maybe

[young herald]

because like a third of the saw attacks will latch and have 0 cleave

[charred bronze]

okay, so, I just did a couple of runs with desperado autos and it was very very good.

Crusher damage at range is, ofc, not great without enh desperado going. Even with the kills weren't fast. Can tap with crowbar alt to soften them up, but aside from that what's working for those of you that have been focusing on desperado play?

[limber cradle]

Rending stimm

Mag dump harder

[tender forge]

it works well enough for me when built for cleave

[glacial gyro]

The secret ingredient is this

[novel oracle]

thats kinda the intended weakness of this weapon

[glacial gyro]

if you see a shitton of crushers pop stimm

30% rending and you eat their ass

[tender forge]

but I do feel you on it

[charred bronze]

ahh I had my stimm set to crit. That'll do it

[tender forge]

it sorta feels like a vermintide weapon

one of the slower ones

[obsidian crown]

Gonna be doing h40 when my friend is done with exams but wanted to ask, if I ran CDR only stim for h40 on desperado, is it fine

[tender forge]

but the shivs give me arthritis, and the crowbar sorta just feels like sadness

[glacial gyro]

It might, I haven't noticed on account of attack speed being so high it deletes everything I point it at anyway

which is never something I thought I would say about the chainaxe

[tropic crag]

i really like the cleaver and toxin melee builds are pretty fun tbh

[novel oracle]

thats what i do cuz i take vultures mark

[bronze glade]

I think it's only on the mk4 heavies now

[tender forge]

anyway is the cleave sorta trash on the crowbar?

[bronze glade]

Mk12 had the cap removed iirc

[obsidian crown]

But was more so wondering about the rending stim for crushers or you just rely on teammates mainly and you fuck everything else up?

[novel oracle]

i remember cleave caps being removed for some weapons but i couldnt remember if chaxes got it and i couldnt find it
i know taxes didnt

[tender forge]

feel like even with unstoppable force its cleave just feels bad\

[tropic crag]

the blunt ends heavies feel fine on that, it feels kind of like shovel where you need to mix in lights to get the most of it

[bronze glade]

Path probably knows, I'm going off bad memory

[tender forge]

yeah but the shovel feels cleavier

[charred bronze]

it's not trash, there are worse weapons, but it's definitely middling in terms of cleave.

[novel oracle]

if desperado is up, just shoot them
if it isnt, just let the team kill them as you deal with other things youre better at to keep pressure off them
if you REALLY need to, shivs work just fine

[charred bronze]

and yeah, mixing heavies in helps

[obsidian crown]

[tropic crag]

a bit yeah, the crowbar has a bit more cc to it

[tender forge]

maybe iots decimator uncanny doing heravyu lifting

but iot feels like me using my thrust uncanny mk7 shovel for horde clear

[obsidian crown]

Hope they don’t nerf HS before my buddy’s done with exams. Really wanna try h40 with current scum. Prayge

[frigid sluice]

how much memory does medal take up I keep getting memory crashes after 2 or so games

[glacial gyro]

@novel oracle What do you think about Shred on the saw, with the 'more toxin stacks on crit' node

[young herald]

mk4 is 4 target cap on heavies. mk12 has no cap on lights.

[charred bronze]

cool, appreciate the advice all, that'll help

[novel oracle]

i personally like decimator more cuz 50% power isnt anything to scoff at, and it helps more with the cleave outside of rampage

thats rlly it

[glacial gyro]

Totally fair assessment.

[frigid sluice]

are we talking about bonesaw

[obsidian crown]

Do you think FS is gonna do any nerfs anytime soon or wait for a while to see how it does

[manic wolf]

Ahhhhh finally, a nice game on Comms Plex with three people who know what they're doing, bliss

[glacial gyro]

I'm not sure what shock and awe does, really; Is it essentially 'cleave but it works when hitting armor'?

[ripe seal]

using the shredder more and I feel the DPS difference it has compared to the dual autos, but I think swapping pinning fire for cavalcade will probably do more to catch up, espeically for carapace for whatever that's worth

[novel oracle]

i think theyre gonna do another pass over this class alltogether

[novel oracle]

thats not what it does at all

do you know how cleave and hitmass interact

or what the actually are

[obsidian crown]

But time wise? Soon? Later?

[young herald]

given the reaction this is pretty inevitable I feel, for better or worse

[novel oracle]

sooner i think

[obsidian crown]

Shame. Wanted to do a before and after comparison myself for h40.

[young herald]

after the recovery vacation for the christmas vacation

[glacial gyro]

Cleave is the damage distribution when hitting multiple targets, hitmass is when your weapon goes 'nope I'm done' mid swing, right?

[main wagon]

Awaiting my review bomb cosmetic like the Helldivers cape

[obsidian crown]

I get back in 1.5 weeks from my vacation so hopefully they don’t touch anything when I’m back.

[ripe seal]

pretty much, it reduces how much heavier enemies eat up your cleave value

[young herald]

It's Complicated (tm).

"hitmass" is a value on a target, and "cleave" (generally, remember FS tooltips here) is the "amount of hitmass an attack can penetrate"

[lavish parrot]

Question about crowbar, should I spam the alt mode heavies or light against carapace?

[novel oracle]

hitmass is how much cleave it costs to swing through that enemy and keep swinging
poxwalkers have a hitmass of 1.5 for example
every time an enemy is swung through, that swing loses the hitmass value of cleave for that swing

basically
cleave is your enemy budget
and hitmass is how much the enemy costs

[heady jungle]

In regards to the cartel special, does Finesse increase attack speed as well?

[novel oracle]

no

[manic wolf]

Do Bombers still have absurd hitmass values or was that changed?

[young herald]

shock and awe, functionally, is a 2.5x multplicative cleave multiplier

[heady jungle]

So it’s just crit chance and damage then?

[novel oracle]

crit damage and headshot damage

[obsidian crown]

One last question. Changes this month or next month most likely?

[glacial gyro]

Ah, that does make sense. Its essentially multiplicative scaling for cleave; More cleave gives you a higher budget, and lower hitmass means it costs less from that budget

[heady jungle]

Ohhhhh! Cheers Cole! =^w^=

[ripe seal]

finesse as a modifier just means crit and weakspot damage, otherwise why wouldn't you take that over the node that gives 10% crit chance

[novel oracle]

exactly

[young herald]

correct, yeah

[novel oracle]

thats why shock and awe is such huge value for it

thats why you pair shock and awe with a cleave talent

rather than opting for wrath

[ripe seal]

big enemies cost more to cleave, so the less mass they have, the more enemies you can cleave through, big or small

[young herald]

it's just a casual 150% multiplicative cleave value

nbd

[novel oracle]

and a power talent/blessing is multiplicitive with cleave too so you just get even more

[spark gyro]

we doin' the 'tiplications

[novel oracle]

so a weapon that cant go through 2 poxwalkers suddenly does this when everything is stacked up

[glacial gyro]

Interesting. My main experience is with Ogryn meaning I don't really need to dig into the guts of the system as much; Just get more impact and swing pickaxe into horde and everything dies or falls over

[novel oracle]

poxwalkers have a hitmass of 1.5
shotgunners have a hitmass of 5

[spark gyro]

I did it guys (after they released 2 more penance tabs )

[glacial gyro]

so this is useful intel

[limber cradle]

Play an auric, game runs fine. Load into havoc? Game stutters every 10 seconds. FS go fuck yourself.

Im about to restart my game every single match like

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/mistamandrew-plans-i-have-plans-i-cannot-share-haters-gif-15485001350530694977

[obsidian crown]

^ @novel oracle

[sinful matrix]

I think this is something I've definitely lost track of playing as Ogryn

[novel oracle]

i think theyre trying to figure out why havoc is doing that shit

[sinful matrix]

all of my weapons just come with 50 cleave or something

[young herald]

if he knew, he couldn't share it

NDAs are like that

[novel oracle]

no idea

[obsidian crown]

I’m not asking specifics

[frigid sluice]

wait so for bonesaw instead of shockawe and wrath i use shockawe and decimator?

[obsidian crown]

Just “most likely”

[limber cradle]

I hope so, cause genuinely my only issue with havoc is the performance and DC issues.

[novel oracle]

yeah if i knew i wouldnt be able to

but i doubt the meat of things would be within a month
probably small bug fixes

[lavish parrot]

@novel oracle sorry for ping but I am kinda feeling dumb about crowbar alt mode
Are the lights or heavies better for carapace?

[young herald]

"sometime between now and the end of time. Maybe" is about as specific as you're gonna get

[glacial gyro]

Yep, like I said, not something I need to worry about when taking a pickaxe to 40 poxwalkers and they all die, along with the 5 ragers and a random trapper

[obsidian crown]

Gotcha

[novel oracle]

heavies
the lights honestly dont do that much damage tbh

[obsidian crown]

Thanks

[young herald]

crowbar is in a weird spot

[novel oracle]

currently iunno what fs is doing next

im still waiting to find out

[glacial gyro]

hyper critical fixes 🙏

[lavish parrot]

So does that mean opportunist is technically better because alt heavies guarantee stagger?

Than can opener I mean

[glacial gyro]

can opener is basically mandatory on crowbar

[high gull]

I won't lie

Getting animation locked in place by shotgunners

Kinda fucking annoying

[novel oracle]

can opener is probably better for non melee builds cuz it stacks higher overall vs being an instant 25%, and can work on your other weapon like say a gun if youre a ranged scum

[knotty grotto]

whats the horde clear attack pattern for crowbar?

[frigid sluice]

what perks do I want on dual stub

[heady jungle]

Can you confirm that there will be more classes after hive scum though?

[sinful matrix]

skill issue

[eternal quail]

not even being high as a kite can stop the meatshot from stunning you

[lavish parrot]

Gotcha gotcha

[high gull]

https://media.tenor.com/tQAZPRWdoHIAAAAC/titanfall2.gif

[glacial gyro]

cole, did they replace your crystal ball yet or is it still in the shop

[novel oracle]

but me personally i just use the rending heavy attack node in rampage cuz i often am in blunt mode more and take superiority and take a swing

[sinful matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/gfl-girls-front-line-dolls-front-line-skill-issue-skillissues-gif-25458964

[novel oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389632904644264046/1425623930017681459/caption.gif

[high gull]

Brother thinks the guy under NDA is gonna be able to disclose the next class he's gonna be testing for the next 4 months

[sinful matrix]

I wish I had that kind of ignorance

then I'd know what happiness felt like

[novel oracle]

yeah im not allowed to talk about the ultramarine class yet

[lethal quartz]

Hol up catfish told me it was a custodes

She’s tryna fish out a leaker

[young herald]

get the toilet seat bro out of here

[novel oracle]

what
kitefin told me it was ultramarines

[heady jungle]

That’s not what I asked at all

[spark gyro]

I'm tempted to do uncanny flesh tearer for the shivs

[lethal quartz]

Sheee the psyops

[heady jungle]

I just shrimply asked if he can confirm we will get more or not

[spark gyro]

Based double DoT stacking and all that

[lavish parrot]

What about perks? been running flakiac on crowb but feels like carapace is needed

[knotty grotto]

make it not skitarii/admech again so people seethe more

[high gull]

He can't

He's under nda

[novel oracle]

you asked if i can confirm more classes are coming to the statement "idk what fs is doing "

[high gull]

[limber cradle]

Tbh

[heady jungle]

Dx

[novel oracle]

but yeah the nda part too

[limber cradle]

I feel like it doesn't take insider knowledge to know they're gonna make another class

[lilac crystal]

the god emperor loves his scummers aswell

[tropic crag]

next class is going to be ork boyz

[novel oracle]

like did i ever mention a new class up until the roadmap last month

lol

[limber cradle]

Yeah, all the time actually

[high gull]

It's a live service game, they're gonna have to keep shitting out content to keep the service going.

[novel oracle]

uooooghhh im scumming

[unique spire]

Why is this the first thing I saw

[young herald]

because fuck you

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-be-profen-ibuprofen-gif-6560266553822228043

[lilac crystal]

finna scum 😩

[high gull]

I just really wanna know if they're ever gonna kill off wolfer

[sinful matrix]

Weak

[eternal quail]

who tf up stimmin they scum

[high gull]

This shit feel like them old cartoons where the bad guy always escapes at the end

[lilac crystal]

gonna stim my hive until i scum

[novel oracle]

IM STIMMSING ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E_ntdYfMng

[tropic crag]

they're gonna reveal its wolfers been dead the whole time and its just a bunch of nurglings in a wolfer costume

[high gull]

They found a guy who had smoker's lung to mimic wolfer's voice

[limber cradle]

I feel like he's gonna be an end boss like years from now, maybe he transforms like the gatekeeper in skittergate

[high gull]

Brother died the moment he left the bastion

[high gull]

I mean maybe, but like...

The cult hates him now

[tropic crag]

i both love and hate skittergate

[high gull]

And fuck knows who's controlling the mob 6 now

[limber cradle]

Thats just chaos man, they all hate eachother

[high gull]

Yeah but when you tell someone

[limber cradle]

In power? Someone wants your spot.

[high gull]

"Ey if you fail this, we're gonna fucking hunt you down"

And you then fail

I know that man has few allies now

[limber cradle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[high gull]

I just wanna know who's controlling his soldiers now that he's been ex-communicated

Cause like priority wise

[young herald]

rinda, duh

[high gull]

Wolfer shouldn't be much relevant now that he kinda lost his leveraging tool

Which was the cult

[young herald]

other way around, wolfer never had any power over the cult

he was commander of the 6th, and when they fell to chaos, ended up working with the cult, who apparently scared the bejeezus out of him and slapped him around whenever he tried to assert an opinion

[glacial gyro]

Most weapons in the game have a glaring weakness and the way you unlock their power is by negating that weakness.

[lost bear]

chainaxe still has major nonbos with the +4 stack on kill node on Adrenaline, more prominent with the Mk 4

if the chain rip kills the guy, you don't get your stacks

[main wagon]

I guess that’s fair. It was more that the mob 6 gave themselves to chaos more than it was anything they really offered to admonition specifically

[glacial gyro]

wdym with the adrenaline thing, also yeah never use the mk4

Really, I did not know that about the rip

[lost bear]

Mk 4 is good but suits the Zealot better IME

[knotty grotto]

are braced/vigilant auto any good now or is infantry still the only good autogun?

[glacial gyro]

Wow, you're right

[young herald]

smh some real chaxe heresy around here

[tulip magnet]

I hate the gloriana ice breaking part at the end

people keep fucking with the button

randoms never know how it works

[glacial gyro]

I only really use the rev for killing crushers though, so I'm not as worried about that

[limber cradle]

Randoms mashing that fuckin button like it might get them 1 million dollars

[glacial gyro]

wait a sec, no that affects the heavy rip too

that's bad

[eternal quail]

if you mash the button, you can get 1 million dollars????? im on it

[glacial gyro]

I need that for scab ragers

[spark gyro]

omnissiah, bless the broken pipe I sharpened with a rock I found in the toilet

[charred bronze]

for a despo build, is the flat +25% cdr worse than +75% cdr for 1 sec on kill on stimm?

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/halal-pray-praying-cat-praying-cat-gif-19802221

[tulip magnet]

I think it depends on what you're doing while desperado is down

and when you're gonna be popping stimm

[charred bronze]

I plan to alternate them and use the stimm for rending and cdr to get despo back

and always pop stimm on crusher packs (if available obv)

[glacial gyro]

chemical dependency once again being the best keystone for anyone that isn't a chem class

[lost bear]

it's a big deal because you lose out on your elite kill stacks

[high gull]

@limber cradle I'm starting to like the BH personality

[spark gyro]

GAMERS

[glacial gyro]

yeah I'm fucking around in the psykhanium and testing it out and not getting the stacks on that overhead heavy is not something I noticed but bot is that rough

[lost bear]

yeah I've tried out chemical dependency but it doesn't do the same stupid shit as Adrenaline and Brutal Momentum

[high gull]

He's got that arrogant asshole vibe to him

[spark gyro]

thoughts

10s sounds nice, but does it hold up in a REAL EPIC FIGHT?

[lost bear]

6s

[glacial gyro]

I think that might actually push me toward rashad wich pisses me off because I love the chaxe

[lost bear]

10s cooldown

[spark gyro]

Actually, does the 10s start after the 6s, or

[main wagon]

You know there’s been one upside to all the bugs recently

[glacial gyro]

its insurance for a single mistake

[main wagon]

Ive been listening to more of the voice lines since I don’t have to lock in as hard