hivescum-class

[random shuttle]

That tbh is not a problem

a problem

[mighty belfry]

Not that it's bad. But everything else with the appropriate setups will on average fare better.

[zealous ravine]

poxbursters prolly the first hybrid between a nurgle entity and a tzeentch one because dear god that thing is fricked up and twisted

[random shuttle]

is when you have conga line of 4-6 bursters

[tropic crag]

for april fools they should make trapper nets start curving the bull around corners and stuff

[random shuttle]

and the first one pushed doesn't boom

[terse creek]

They may be, but they are still fun to play tbh, prob my fav class to just speed around a level before scum

[random shuttle]

When that first burster doesn't boom

[mighty belfry]

And the one further back, throws itself before any of the ones in front

[candid flax]

the increased hurtbox is noticeable yep

[random shuttle]

you know you're on a short line to meet Big E himself.

[tropic crag]

i usually choose to shoot them before they all get closer just to take the outside radius damage instead of the big damage

[thorny ginkgo]

i just shoot bursters that are near my mates

[normal hinge]

Whats the difference between the 2 needle gun marks

[rose flax]

It is when your not just fighting against a burster lol, it means your either fucked or hope you get out of dodge

[lapis raft]

stealth knife zealot is so fun, my fav zealot setup as well

[zenith fern]

reload speed blessing does also things go harder on desperado

[candid flax]

however zealot is in a great state imo. A lot of weapons are just great enough and have some kind of identity

[lapis raft]

also why i like hive scum because thats basically just upgrade over what i wanted to do there kinda

minus the defenses ofc

[candid flax]

I probably don't use it the way most people do. Stealth isn't for damage, it's for utility, positioning, doing hacks, resses, toughness, etc. It just also happens to do amazing damage on the side

[mighty belfry]

If anything, reason why shroudfield is a good pick now is because it gives zealot an actual niche.

[tropic crag]

i like scum because when i play it like a slayer it does well, thats all i can ask from any class

[random shuttle]

Me: "Phew! Danger Zone mod shows me I am outside Burster DMG zone"
Burster:

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-yesbutno-gif-1502181837354549727

[mighty belfry]

Objective clearing, and crazy burst damage for bosses that carries well into high Havoc even

[zenith fern]

really unc

[manic wolf]

Imagine if we got a patch that was just TLC for problem enemies.

[thorny ginkgo]

flesh tearer go crazy

[random shuttle]

yessss

welcome to the DOT Shivs zone, brodda

[tropic crag]

just buffs for them (this would be funny tbh)

[patent bone]

Almost there

[random shuttle]

give it tox on crit

and go bananers

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dragon-ball-z-unlimited-power-over9000-power-level-gif-12316102

[patent bone]

Next check is 999/1000

[zenith fern]

love me some shivs bleed and chem stacks build

[lapis raft]

i made this for myself just so i can actually see flesh tearer value and im kinda on fence on it now :d

[random shuttle]

I was slightly shocked

[tropic crag]

is this why people have been freaking out about bursters aoe?

[lapis raft]

but also i was mostly unbuffed there just testing

[random shuttle]

how much of a boss buster this build is

[terse creek]

Mark my words, a mayority of scum players are just roleplaying as Slayer Bardin from VT2

[zenith fern]

welcome back ogryn ripper mk6 double dot

[candid flax]

FT on shivs really aren't worth it

bleeds are pretty mid on scum

[tropic crag]

roleplaying? i AM bardin

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-marcus-the-worm-gif-13164059535958008471

[ivory juniper]

support build fun af

[lapis raft]

yea bleed only being 15% damage in my test is kinda dissapointing, but also that was competing with pre-needling

[mighty belfry]

Why run FT when you have so much attack speed that you are the DoT

[random shuttle]

Nope nope

denied

[tropic crag]

i like bleeds in general because i like to walk away before something dies, like i'm a cool guy and they are an explosion

[lapis raft]

its probaby like 30-40%-ish damage otherwise? i can actually test without pre-needling

[random shuttle]

Dotting on crits is crazy when your crit rate is 70% whole game

[thorny ginkgo]

how do you like it

[mighty belfry]

This post was made by Fervor stimm cartel.

[random shuttle]

boss killing

[zenith fern]

I can get up to 80% crit chance when stim applied lmao

[lapis raft]

well my goal was to play as much of a dot build as i could

[candid flax]

Zealot's ran that much crit rate too and flesh tearer always still remained pretty much a trap

[zenith fern]

72% in total without it

[lapis raft]

so idk i like it

[random shuttle]

yes me too, the rate is total for mission

[lapis raft]

but also on bosses its def not doing much

[steep oak]

I dont get the penance that needs you to be in chemical depency

[tropic crag]

in a game like this 70% might as well be 100% uptime for everything lol

[steep oak]

I am at full stacks

[lapis raft]

probs a lot more valuable elsewhere

[steep oak]

butitdoesnt count

[random shuttle]

well I am trapped then because it works like a charm

[sturdy linden]

bro why the FUCK won't my scoreboard run

[candid flax]

that's a trap for you

[sturdy linden]

it keeps crashing the game

[candid flax]

they're charming

uwu

[amber sundial]

you need to drop a stack for it to update

[sturdy linden]

I just wanna track my damage dealt and taken

[random shuttle]

Did you download the fix or from nexus?

[tropic crag]

count on your fingers duh

[zenith fern]

I guess they using VT2 scoreboard plugin?

[sturdy linden]

I downloaded the new mod framework update

[random shuttle]

but the scoraboard mod?

[sturdy linden]

it didn't have an update when I checked

I guess I'll redownload later

[random shuttle]

yeah

[candid flax]

check again

it updated like 2 days ago

[random shuttle]

because the mod maker stopped playing dorktide

here my brodda

[tropic crag]

the day i stop vibe checking my stats based off of feel and start saying i use scoreboard you guys can know that i was kidnapped or replaced and thats not me

[candid flax]

wait i'm confused with numericui. There's a community fix for scoreboard, check nexus's comments

[zenith fern]

it is on the modders server

[random shuttle]

install these two, turn off all SCOREBOARD options in mod menu and you will be golden

[candid flax]

yes that comment links to there.

[zenith fern]

Scum being called out as Commissar hat is so hilarious

[alpine hazel]

Does stimm crate prevent gas / corruption or does it only heal

[undone falcon]

True, scoreboard leads only to inherent toxicity.

[amber sundial]

prevents

[random shuttle]

prevents

[amber sundial]

its really nice for when DHs exist

[tropic crag]

i love so many of the new scum interactions

[random shuttle]

nah

[keen solstice]

I'm trying to get the Alchemist penance, and I was running practically a full mission at 3 stacks of dependency (max without the additional talent) and it counted zero seconds, do I have to take that talent to complete Alchemist?

[random shuttle]

because I use a very smart big brain trick about Scoreboard

[spark gyro]

I have adopted the new crackhead haircut that the lads were talking about

[random shuttle]

I disabled it in game.

it only shows when game is finished

[amber sundial]

you have to drop a stack for it to update

[random shuttle]

so no checking mid-game who sucks ass

😄

[candid flax]

I cant remember the last time I ever checked mid game

[manic wolf]

Not that you need to when the Psyker has died 7 times... 😄

[keen solstice]

Wait, what? So it only counts if I lose a stack? So if I run the entire mission and then drop a stack at the end, will it count the whole run?

[spark gyro]

I uninstalled my true level because I kept judging people silently and I realized that was asshole stuff

[tropic crag]

for me i feel like 99% of the people won't really understand the information there... like big numbers big but they often will confuse why... there are people who will understand in this discord and i totally get why they use it... but like... i view it as personally worthless info since i just try to get better at the game over winning with numbers things

[terse creek]

Heretic behavior

[random shuttle]

Sir

I will have you know that as an old pro player

[undone falcon]

Same

[random shuttle]

I am the one who dies the most

That way I let the other players show me what they got.

[tropic crag]

i do like when the numbers guys show me funny tricks that i would never figure out on my own

so i value the numbers guys lol

just no numbers for me thanks

[random shuttle]

for me 90% of scoreboard utility REALLY is about checking if the build / weapons perform as expected

10% is feeling superior

[zenith fern]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/644 I should consider getting this

[undone falcon]

At least you're honest about it

[zenith fern]

It could be fun seeing from double dot builds

[tropic crag]

yeah thats why i get why people use it mostly... i dont' use it because i'm like "how did that weapon feel" over "how fast did it kill" when making builds so its all useless for me

[candid flax]

I stopped taking scoreboard seriously when it started giving me really bad numbers on my shock maul

[terse creek]

I need no scoreboard to know when my fellow scum teammates have gone down and how many times they have gone down, I’m always keeping track, and judging em, very loudly

[candid flax]

i refuse to believe shock maul is this bad 😠

[random shuttle]

I am nearly 40 years old. I understand the Oldest Law of Gaming:

Players who are better than me are Sweaty No-Lifers losers.
Players who are worse tham me are terrible useless noobs.

[zenith fern]

it never was

[candid flax]

not arbi shock maul, regular one

[mighty belfry]

It's okay. Except against bosses

[random shuttle]

I love regular one.

[zenith fern]

If you using base scoreboard it is very inconsistent

[random shuttle]

Use it on Arby all the time.

[candid flax]

yes like 400K-500K dmg okay

[zenith fern]

does not show the real score stats

[random shuttle]

It's awesome against captains.

[mighty belfry]

I suppose since it shreds shield

[random shuttle]

yeah

[candid flax]

same that's why I stopped looking at the damage numbers

[random shuttle]

It absolutely decimate shields.

[zenith fern]

it does

[candid flax]

zealot with shock maul running a shitton of attack speed is fucking hilarious

[mighty belfry]

I guess it's more

Unyielding, it has a real problem with

[candid flax]

zealot can run like +60~70% attack speed and it just turns into a huge zapping net of safety bonks

[random shuttle]

but yeah shock maul vs Twins/Captains seriously make them like 50% easier for everyone

two taps of special

shield down

[candid flax]

yep unfortunately i dont know what ranged option people take on zealot to deal with uny

i haven't played for a bit

before you just ran dumdum recon

[tropic crag]

honestly you don't need crazy numbers to do crazy work in this game, because the context of those numbers matters alot

[terse creek]

Talking of bosses, I kinda hope they keep the new event mode as a permanent part of the game, like what they did for rotten armor

[random shuttle]

If I have one Darktide Habit I am lowkey proud off (stupidly)

is that I never quit a match.

[tropic crag]

i wouldn't hate this tbh

[candid flax]

i mean yeah cc'ing the living shit out of everything, barely ever taking a single hit, and still doing at least average of the pack damage is respectable. But still number not going brr makes me 😠

[terse creek]

Not even when you join one and your teammates are on, shambles? Man, I would leave and never be seen again, lol

[tropic crag]

only times i've quit matches is for real life stuff that suddenly appeared and can't wait, but yeah no leaving because of losing or something

[random shuttle]

never

[ebon violet]

Idk who you guys were but well played

[random shuttle]

I actually love entering a situation in absolute disaster state

[oblique hound]

stimm supply broken for anyone else?

[ebon violet]

Straight mush but we all went cray

[tropic crag]

i have like 600 or 700 hours on the greathammer in vt2 so i get this feeling man

[random shuttle]

entering with 10 hp, 2 teammates dead, last one fighting for his life

this is where I roll the dice

[oblique hound]

everytime i put it down, it disappears and my ability never recharges, even when stimm resets

[random shuttle]

Am I HIM

or am I trash

[terse creek]

I think it would make for a fun addition to auric overall, cause outside of havoc, not really many ways to have boss fights unless it’s scripted, random or that one Mael modifier

[naive imp]

neither HIM nor trash, but a secret third thing

[tropic crag]

yeah would be cool if it was like 1 every once in a rare while appears in a map even over a modifer, optional challenge point as you run through

[candid flax]

shield and mace ironbreaker thunks ignoring hit mass and staggering mixed hordes feels good

[undone falcon]

Trim

[spiral horizon]

hey remember that thing you said about knowing one's limits? you really went beyond them here

[random shuttle]

What's my gender? Loyalist.
But what's in your pants? Hatred towards heretics.

[terse creek]

Eh, I think it’s based, bout it, XD

[spiral horizon]

ok

[naive imp]

wait what does that image mean

i aint being obtuse i dont see it

[candid flax]

oh god the necro is necroing

[naive imp]

oh the ingame name

[terse creek]

Would be amazing in any auric mission as it is, cause captains and twins are locked behind special missions

[naive imp]

yeah fuck off withat whoever you are tanner

[tropic crag]

i main slayer but IB was some good times tbh, all the dwarf classes have some fun times to them... i need to play more vt2... all my tide time goes to dt atm

[candid flax]

my vt2 gameplay went to complete shit after playing darktide

i just forget to block man

[naive imp]

you lose so many of your shiny tools going back to vt2

but you gain abilities that do damage so thats pretty cool

[candid flax]

but you get so much character

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/erased-from-existence-doesnt-exist-not-real-delete-get-rid-of-it-gif-16482357

Gone

[candid flax]

vt2 just oozes character

[naive imp]

oh yeah i definitely enjoy vt2 still

[candid flax]

dt is finally getting glimpses of character

[naive imp]

i miss the ubersreik five (or four, doesnt matter)

[tropic crag]

luckily i still use move tech from vt2 in darktide like an absolute weirdo (yes i swing at air for spacing sometimes in darktide) so it takes me like... 2 matches to get back into the right timings but i think i'll always be vt2 coded in my play

[naive imp]

when will they release the sixth character with 4 whole careers

[undone falcon]

What did he think was going to happen?

[zenith fern]

being open about it in front of a mod smh

[tropic crag]

5! 6! 4! whatever

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smh-meme-disagree-cringe-gif-25512889

[candid flax]

good on ya then, i'm taking strays constantly when playing vt2

[tropic crag]

i think it makes me a worse dt player tho tbh

[candid flax]

meanwhile one of my best friends who never played DT and still mains VT is an absolute cunt being like 2 rooms ahead of everyone chasing all the green circles

[naive imp]

we're the bloody ubersreik (kruber pauses to count on his fingers, ends up like ogryn)

i got so excited when i saw a (nerfed) witch hunter captain passive in hive scums talents

but apparently it breaks melee toughness regen or something

[spiral horizon]

some people really don't read the rules when the come into the server

[tropic crag]

does it? because mines been fine unless i'm confused on which one you mean

[candid flax]

ayo he got taken out back

now that is based

[tropic crag]

or maybe i'm just dumb and haven't noticed that its bugged which is possible

[naive imp]

its described in the pins

[zenith fern]

Or just love to take the piss off people for fun

[tropic crag]

ohhh yeah that one sorry, i was confused on which one you meant

[naive imp]

stop taking my piss

thats MY piss

[zenith fern]

Bro is not sniper tf2

You not Australian

[candid flax]

oi

[manic wolf]

Did someone get yeeted?

[naive imp]

yeah sniper gives his piss out freely

we need an australian voice like scottish zealot

[zenith fern]

Doornailed

[tropic crag]

eagerly one might even say

[naive imp]

theyre nobody now

[manic wolf]

Who? I missed the drama?

[naive imp]

they arent, werent, havent ever been

[zenith fern]

Just someone loving attention (and racism)

[candid flax]

scroll up until you see yellow

[tropic crag]

naw you were there during some of it, mods just woke up because apparently they are living creatures who need sleep and food and time for themselves or something

[candid flax]

then follow the breadcrumbs

[fierce python]

Warhammer racism

[spiral horizon]

many such cases, yeah

[undone falcon]

They lacked introspection and were rendered to dust for their arrogance

[naive imp]

they were never real in the first place

[hidden thunder]

Sounds like knife ear propaganda to me

[naive imp]

everyone who gets banned is a paid actor

[tropic crag]

bro are we even real?

wrong reply lol

[manic wolf]

Statistically, probably not

[candid flax]

no such thing as skaven in the reik

[naive imp]

everyone on the internet is a bot now except you

[fierce python]

Has anyone gotten to 40,000 war hammers yet

[naive imp]

no, pretty sure its impossible

[sturdy linden]

just updated scoreboard and animation events and it's STILL crashing my game

fuck this shit

[naive imp]

i dont know why games workshop sets these insanely high standards

[spark gyro]

What's the error it's giving?

[sturdy linden]

nothing

it just crashes to desktop

[candid flax]

did you do the community update for scoreboard or just the nexus thing

[spark gyro]

Based

[sturdy linden]

annoying as fuck

[sturdy linden]

Nexusmods

[candid flax]

bc you gotta grab the one from the community

[sturdy linden]

I'm not part of the discord

[candid flax]

yeah that one is outdated

[spark gyro]

Doesn't even have a crash window or anything?

[abstract condor]

Can someone explain the difference between the needle gun marks? I can't tell.

[undone falcon]

One of them goes boom and spreads dots, the other makes bigger boom but no dots

[surreal spire]

Hii! What are the dumpstats for crowbar/shivs/bone saw?

[tropic crag]

I thought John Warhammer did until he hid them all in one piece at the end of the grand line

[sturdy linden]

that's so dumb.. what's even the point of putting nexusmods page if you're gonna keep all the updates on a discord

[naive imp]

real?

[hidden thunder]

You can get it in the comments section, there's a Google drive link top comment for scoreboard

[candid flax]

mobility

[winter tusk]

Scoreboard will literally just close your game right now if you dont update it

[undone falcon]

OG author left

[surreal spire]

For all of them?

[candid flax]

p sure yep

[abstract condor]

Which one is better generally?

[surreal spire]

Alrighty, thanks!

[candid flax]

they quit the game

[sturdy linden]

ty

[candid flax]

thats just how it goes

[tropic crag]

the people fixing it could probably reach out to the og mod creator to ask them to link to them tho

if possible

[undone falcon]

Whichever mark makes you feel powerful brother, I rarely use the alternate fire anyways and that's the only difference

[candid flax]

i'ma assume they already did

[naive imp]

ew, communication?

[candid flax]

but can't get ahold of them

[tropic crag]

yeah thats totally possible

[candid flax]

bc the mod discord is actually very active in comms

like i mean comms out towards other mod makers and fatshark

[surreal spire]

What about ranged weapons? Mobility dump stat for needle/dual stub/dual auto?

[candid flax]

needle doesn't dump mobility

[vale garden]

Yes

[hidden thunder]

That mod discord is a bit of a mess to navigate I find, all releases are just random posts in there lol

[undone falcon]

Damage for the needle, only affects the initial damage not the dot

[tropic crag]

i wish they would add chat block to darktide, i get its not as useful because of guns but it still good

[vale garden]

True damage on needle

[surreal spire]

Ah, so damage only affects the initial hit but not the chem damage?

[vale garden]

Mobility is also fine to dump tho realistically

[candid flax]

i dump collateral on dual auto bc i've not noticed a difference in stagger

[vale garden]

Yes

[undone falcon]

Yur

[candid flax]

everything dies before staggered anyways

or is 80% dead

[naive imp]

man when i had to play without mods because of update

stopped to type one thing and got obliterated

[undone falcon]

You had a better healthier experience? And then got pancaked got it

[vale garden]

I just want scoreboard and numeric ui

[tropic crag]

lol i'm relying on like 25 years of typing fast in games to try to type out my dumb jokes before getting sent to the shadow realm

[candid flax]

imo the only stats on the needler that matter is actually mobility and ammo lol

[tropic crag]

because i can't be bothered to mod anymore in games like this

[vale garden]

Fair

[naive imp]

always been a fast typer, works better when im not playing level 6 hive scum though

[undone falcon]

More like Hive Scam, amirite fellas

What board am I in again?

[naive imp]

i modded in a feature that was already in vermintide, what, you wanna fight about it

[undone falcon]

Yes, shirtless

[naive imp]

in the rain?

[undone falcon]

Optional but preferred. Girls will need to be watching though

[candid flax]

all melees dump mobility IMO
on needle you dump whatever as long as it isn't mobility or ammo
on dual auto i dump collateral
rest of ranged wpns i dump mobility

[naive imp]

you dump damage on knife because flesh tearer + lacerate bleed is so good

[candid flax]

as if bleeds don't scale off dmg yeah 😂

[sonic pasture]

so what's the verdict on the alternate mark of the shivs? the ones with sweeping heavies

[naive imp]

uh yeah its called blood loss man

enemies got a finite amount of blood to lose

[candid flax]

i wish bleed knife never existed

[naive imp]

eh

[candid flax]

because it was never good

[mighty belfry]

it's good on vet

[candid flax]

oh really

i never played vet lol

[mighty belfry]

serrated flesh knife goes crazy

[sturdy linden]

extremely good on Scum

[candid flax]

that's wild

[sturdy linden]

Fleshtearer + chem toxin goes hard

[candid flax]

FT only accounts to like 20% of the DoT damage on scum

[hidden thunder]

I use knife on vet more than anything else tbh, great synergy

[candid flax]

unless maybe you full strength stim?

[candid flax]

I getcha, I main zealot knife

I just never played vet

[naive imp]

they should give scum soulblaze in the dot side of the tree, think it would make sense

[candid flax]

even tho i got hundreds of lvls on zlt

legit level 1 vet

[sturdy linden]

that sounds off because you can get like, what, 70%+ crit easily on scum even without Chem Dep

[sonic pasture]

honestly I'm a fan of the sweeping shivs, but only because I pretend that I'm not even holding shivs, and punching the everliving fuck out of thousands of dudes

[candid flax]

iirc someone did the maffs

[amber sundial]

they should give scum lingering flames but for every DoT

[mighty belfry]

most of that damage is the direct impact from the crit itself

[hidden thunder]

Damn that's crazy haha, I play everything to be fair but I do have like 2k hours in this game lol

[candid flax]

I legit only play zealot

well, and scum now

[mighty belfry]

It does have the synergy with cleave talents to make it better for horde clear tho

[candid flax]

I tried arbi but all the time I kept asking myself, why dont i just play zlt

[naive imp]

i used to have equal playtime in every class but i got stuck in melee psyker hell

and fatshark released a new class in arbites so they fucked up the playtime balance even more

[flat mist]

Are we just talking about toxin applied from crits? Or comparing flesh tearer to stacking toxin from other sources?

[undone falcon]

Some folks have multiple characters at level 300, sometimes a level 3000 ogryn stumbles out of the mists like a dang dinosaur

[candid flax]

like total damage output, bleeds accounted for really unimpressive amount of dmg

nowhere as much as you'd get just running riposte precog

[hidden thunder]

I keep going back to melee psyker, honestly feel like it's the strongest class for me, liking the hivescum with desperado but it does feel like scriers gaze with uzis haha

[candid flax]

idk maybe they beansed the maths but i've been going off that

[flat mist]

Again, are we just comparing it to a build with tox applied from crit or to a build with chem nades, needle gun, etc?

[candid flax]

nothing is stopping you from applying chems and then just going pure dmg shivs stho

so that comparison is useless

[flat mist]

Bc if you're running shiv with flesh tearer but also chem nades and needle ofc you'll have more tox damage

[candid flax]

bleeds dont amplify tox dmg or anything

[flat mist]

Exactly my point

[amber sundial]

bleed should reduce tox dmg since its bleeding all the toxins out the body

[flat mist]

It's pointless making such broad statements without knowing the parameters we're discussing

[amber sundial]

[candid flax]

I get your point but dps is dps

[noble orchid]

good blessings for crowbar? running can opener and superiority rn

[candid flax]

you can add chems to the mix but that's just adding another variable that's equal to both cases

[undone falcon]

Can't recall the name but the one where killing elites gives you stacks, unless that is superiorty

In which case the one where push gives crit

[noble orchid]

i think thats superiority

[flat mist]

Exactly so saying "bleed only does x amount compared to toxin" is a pointlessly broad statement

[candid flax]

If I made that point, then I didn't mean to

[amber sundial]

bleed only does 0 dmg compared to toxins in my builds so therefore bleed is entirely worthless for everyone
(i dont run bleed)

[candid flax]

I meant to say, bleed on a shiv is just inferior to running riposte precog

even tho it might feel thematic to stack dots

[flat mist]

True and accurate statement

[vale garden]

Especially if you're running a toxin shivs build

[brittle ferry]

what if you did bleed AND toxin

[vale garden]

Which imo, you should if doing .elee

[brittle ferry]

moar dots

[undone falcon]

We've come full circle, time is a cube and the world is flat

[vale garden]

I think you'd get diminishing returns for .multiple dots

[brittle ferry]

moar dots

[candid flax]

nah axsuroth already cleared that out. Bleeding them would clear the toxins out of the body

it's bad mojo

[brittle ferry]

time is a trapezoid and the world is a dodecahedron

[amber sundial]

[brittle ferry]

good soup

[amber sundial]

time is a dinosaur and the world is a donut

[candid flax]

you're like actively helping them by bloodletting the toxins

[brittle ferry]

correct

[undone falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[amber sundial]

also guys

we cant hate on people saying the earth is flat

they just dont have good render distances

[undone falcon]

Living on vvardenfel rn

[brittle ferry]

as someone who loses 87% render distance upon taking off my glasses, i can confirm this is true.

[candid flax]

I mean have you been to the far lands?

prove this round world atheists

[vale garden]

Like for the shivs build, you apply chem via crit, so the crit chance blessing is going to be better since chem is a better dot. If youre already taking bonus crit chance, then finesse is going to synergise with it, so youre better off taking that over a bleed in the second slot

[brittle ferry]

counter point, the world isnt round, but inside out

[amber sundial]

guys i think its been long enough

can someone update the worlds skybox

[brittle ferry]

no

[vale garden]

Ultimately, do whatever is most fun, but id argue for shivs (if youre running chem) bleed is strictly worse

[amber sundial]

aw

[brittle ferry]

get on the black ship

[hollow mural]

so whats the deal with the scoreboard not workin

[amber sundial]

update broke mods

[vale garden]

Update

[hollow mural]

sorry i know that part

[candid flax]

check the comments on nexus theres a fix

[hollow mural]

oh

[hidden thunder]

Check the mods comment page on nexus for a Google drive link

[hollow mural]

shit ill check that

[brittle ferry]

give ogryns stealth and lightning.

aand a bubble

[amber sundial]

you see, ogryn has stealth

[undone falcon]

Mod author agreed with FS that a scoreboard leads to a negative feedback loop that will kill us all

[amber sundial]

well rather you dont see

[brittle ferry]

stick

[undone falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-monkey-ape-gif-13875323

[brittle ferry]

of

grapes

[random shuttle]

Talking about toxic scoreboard

Gun is a melee weapon now.

[vale garden]

Needs green circles

For toxic

[amber sundial]

give them blue circles

[brittle ferry]

the weak willed use scoreboard to be toxic. The strong of mind, body and soul use it to determine if they got any funny numbers and if their wack stick wacks good

[random shuttle]

Damn killed 216 elites that game and 74 specials

[amber sundial]

the blue circles mean nothing

[random shuttle]

not bad

not bad

[amber sundial]

it just circles random stats

[vale garden]

I do want scoreboard so I can properly test rashad vs shivs for rampage

[undone falcon]

Green text, or yellow (colorblind), very different. Scientifically proven to reduce bad vibes

[candid flax]

yellow is scientifically the most calming colour

[vale garden]

But green circles is what VT2 uses, which is the origin of the toxic scoreboard

[amber sundial]

but when i piss on people they dont get calmer?

[vale garden]

Sounds like a bug

[candid flax]

you sure talk about piss a lot

[undone falcon]

Exactly, mod author consulted the finest Ogryn minds and they all agreed. "Make text yellow, much better."

[ruby marsh]

Wrong because Yellowe makes me mad for some reason

[candid flax]

that just makes you atypical

[amber sundial]

well yea, piss toughness is a essential part to vet shout

[vale garden]

Yeah that's autism coded lol

[ruby marsh]

Nothing new then

[brittle ferry]

i think there should be more purple

[undone falcon]

This is an official game discord after all

[vale garden]

https://tenor.com/view/eq-startpurple-cleric-everquest-gif-18672159

[ruby marsh]

Specifically a WH40k game Discord

[high gull]

This what I mean when I say I have to baby sit my pubs.

Attention span of a gnat

[spark gyro]

michael wave

[amber sundial]

your pubs talk back?

[undone falcon]

Microwave is a real one, I'm sorry but you've drawn yourself as the soyjack and him as the chad

[high gull]

In his defense he spent like 80% of the match dead

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spin-microwave-gif-1252582325964040053

[cedar cairn]

GOGOL BORDELLO MENTIONED

[ruby marsh]

He had nothing else to do but talk lmao

[candid flax]

eepy time

https://tenor.com/view/logging-off-discord-loogging-off-disocord-gif-25970037

[undone falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-gif-13062150862685254762

[sturdy linden]

why are arbitrator players such toxic fucking cunts man

[spark gyro]

The Lex is the Lex

Naught but

[undone falcon]

We just saw a man get Dr. Manhattened less than an hour ago man, take some kalma brother.

[cedar cairn]

Mandated Edict: flaming

[azure mist]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lF6KFDN5DVGrKs2vi?invite=cr-MSxrN3osMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=9

if it makes you feel any better

[sturdy linden]

lmfao

that does make me feel better

[spark gyro]

is that the triple crusher kill

it better be

[ruby marsh]

I'm genuinely glad for silent pubs, wdym people are toxic in this game?? I'm just having fun

[azure mist]

its not

[last kelp]

I wonder is there any reason to use a bolt pistol on scum in place of a needle pistol? Cause I feel like there isnt really

[azure mist]

its Unavoidable Crusher overhead

lmao

[sturdy linden]

toxic as in behavior, not chat

[bronze glade]

To kill stuff immediately

[sturdy linden]

even I don't actually chat 90% of the time

[azure mist]

Arby is a class that lets you get away with bad habits really really easily

so they never learn "ettiquete"

Old Vet and Psyker use to Nail that shit into your head if you wanted to even remotely survive

[amber sundial]

only toxicity ive had in my games is my teammates dying like why would they intentionally force the enemies to focus me instead of being alive to take aggro

smh

[ruby marsh]

Oh I get it, I think

[spark gyro]

bro came out of the smoke like a WWE wrestler

[lavish forge]

uaaa

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/edge-world-heavyweight-champion-entrance-raw-wwe-gif-17118055

[ruby marsh]

I mean, that's the mentality you get when you class is a "Fuckall I don't die" type thing

Press a key, ignore 90% of game mechanics

[azure mist]

see when I know my Toughness drops below 75% and I magically become a wet noodle

I instantly play a lot more smart

LMAO

Bless Veteran for making me learn a lot of good habits

[vale garden]

My biggest gripe is despacitos shooting into handled melee, preventing me from getting toughness

[amber sundial]

im convienently capping your toughness at 74% now

[tulip magnet]

👀

[undone falcon]

Nah, f it we ball. Medicae out there somewhere

[spark gyro]

Arby players that put points in true grit

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

[ruby marsh]

Vet and Psyker are responsible for making me the way I am (Paranoid at every attack because I feel im gonna drop)

[tulip magnet]

ngl after i hit 30 this class feels tankier than vet

[spark gyro]

Also iron will vets

[azure mist]

LMAO

[spark gyro]

Iron will vets and true grit arbys will eat an overhead and go "damn, auric is so easy"

[undone falcon]

Cap, but it does feel noticably better.

[ruby marsh]

Never in my life I have seen a more bullshit talent in any game of any genre

It's not even on a cool down or anything, you just don't take damage

[tulip magnet]

Also really funny to live for a stupid amount of time after being net as Scum if the only things hiting you are shooters

[spark gyro]

Oh yeah, I got that once

The gunner kept missing half the shots and I was healing in front of him

Then he was like "wait a minute, I can just not be bad"

Then he killed me

[ruby marsh]

Fsn of your name

[amber sundial]

yea if the only thing thats hitting you is a shooter... (i got netted and a sniper shot me down)

[vale garden]

The low health can mean you get gibbed real easy if you get netted with poxies around

[spark gyro]

It's a demonstrably true statement

[ruby marsh]

I'm personally a main Tanker

[tulip magnet]

the 1 second of invuln on crit is goated

[spark gyro]

Dude, I remember playing shout vet with iron will and I was absolutely appalled

[ruby marsh]

My friends thought me crazy when I decided to make a fully frontlining Psyker build

[spark gyro]

I have never seen such a W+M1 class before

But also I don't play ogryn, so there's that

[azure mist]

Ogryn was so much more worse before Delight was nerfed

[spark gyro]

But for the human classes it was like having ogryn-tier survivability with ogryn-tier effort

[azure mist]

and Iron Will single handedly making Veteran not as flimsy as Hive Scum LMAO

the 1 of 2 Talents that makes veteran not a noodle

[spark gyro]

Meanwhile I'm there playing stealth vet with knife and no iron will

Go big or go home

[tulip magnet]

desperado dual stubbers has been super fun in damnation so far

[azure mist]

Idk why you'd pass on it I'd rather have that net of knowing when to play safe or when not too cause it quickly snow balls especially in havoc 40

[undone falcon]

Yep and it only takes that single talent to do so, give me a talent that gives me Iron Will while my stim is up

[spark gyro]

Admittedly I don't care about havoc

[ruby marsh]

Which one was Iron Will? The scream?

[novel oracle]

50% tdr while above 75% toughness

[spark gyro]

Iron will is the one that gives like 75% DR above 90% toughness or some shit

[azure mist]

@high gull Playing Veteran and the Hive Scum drops a Toughness + Strength + CDR Stim Crate

[spark gyro]

Okay, less absurd

Still absurd

Normalize bullying iron will users

[tulip magnet]

50% above 75

they need it

[supple torrent]

Are there any weird interactions that are making chem toxin good? Or is it just 6 stacks and getting boosted by random sources of damage?

[azure mist]

You're thinking of "Duty and Honor"

thats Golden Toughness

[tulip magnet]

vet is just ammo gen + shout

[azure mist]

Even Vet mains agree its busted as hell and should be nerfed

[tulip magnet]

and weapon options

[supple torrent]

Sorry chem grenade

[amber sundial]

chem tox is boosted by the dmg perks of whatever weapon you hold out

[supple torrent]

Sorry meant to say chem grenade

[amber sundial]

still applies

[tulip magnet]

is the chem nade supposed to be that strong or is it overtuned/bugged?

[amber sundial]

also it reduces hitmass of enemies in the tox grenade by 50%

chem toxin is just strong lol

it also has like 2x dmg multipliers to infested and maniac

lol, lmao even

[ruby marsh]

Exceedingly strong

[spark gyro]

This is such a Fatshark thing to do

[supple torrent]

Yeah didn't even realise that. Explains why some players were cleaving way easier.

[radiant cosmos]

Gunner weapons work exactly like the Negev in Counter-Strike
The first shots will always miss, then its a laser beam

[spark gyro]

"Technically they're now malnourished, so they have less mass" or something

[amber sundial]

the lowest dmg multiplier it has is 0.9x on carapace and unyielding

[spark gyro]

0.9

[main trellis]

about what 🤔
i'm missing context

[spark gyro]

on carapace

[amber sundial]

-# technically 0.1x on void shield but nobody cares

[tulip magnet]

only bad part of running desperado is i lose my needler and now crushers are a pain

[ruby marsh]

This class is funny because you have crazy good talents and abilities for the cheap cost of dying in like 4 hits if you make the slightest mistake

The Chemnade is straight up broken

[spark gyro]

el desesperado

el despacito

[novel oracle]

shivs
throw 2 at its head
finish them off with a melee
you have both those 2 knives back

[radiant cosmos]

40k fact you DIDN'T know:
Kasrkin and other users of Carapace Armor regularly shoot themselves with stub autopistols and stub pistols to develop bullet immunity

[spark gyro]

karkskin

[amber sundial]

so glad the heretics dont do this

[tulip magnet]

I've just been can-opening them

[spark gyro]

like flies, they are born the moment we enter the map

[amber sundial]

[vale garden]

Have you tried a slashy shivs chem build Cole?

Rampage with chem nodes

[spark gyro]

if, hypothetically, we leave the same mission running for 28 days, there is an floating point error that allows the enemies to do that lifehack

source: my ass

[last kelp]

please stop giving me 3-4 hive scum aurics fatshark im begging you

im pleading, crying, pissing, shitting

shootin straight rope

[tulip magnet]

it's nice when, at least, you get all 3 scum auras

[last kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/true-nuke-ash-baby-squidward-spongebob-gif-10318197618755767412

[glacial gyro]

I have never had this much trouble with pox bombers before

[tulip magnet]

having 4 scum running the same aura is sad

[winter tusk]

whats that? playing auric and expecting not to clutch? This isn't even reality

[novel oracle]

i mean the only ones that i think that matter are crit toxin, base dmg toxin, and blitz toxin

i take those on my shivs and taxe build

[amber sundial]

honestly i might start playing arby again since my lobbies are still mostly hive scums

[tulip magnet]

play ogryn and try to blend in

[novel oracle]

youre what

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-my-kingdom-come-gif-22105215

[unkempt salmon]

Pardon me

[amber sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/436310003666911232/1081465814768701510/wall-1.gif

[unkempt salmon]

What's Cartel Special? I'm not seeing it in my Talents or Stimm Lab

[tulip magnet]

stimm

[amber sundial]

its your stim lab stim

[glacial gyro]

your stim

[amber sundial]

unique to hive scum

[azure mist]

https://tenor.com/view/dracula-flow-flow-dracula-bars-gif-14340185494860569870

[unkempt salmon]

Strange

[ruby marsh]

You don't like your wall of glass?

[tulip magnet]

Fatshark and not making the things that talents refer to obvious

[last kelp]

dracula flow line

[ruby marsh]

This is why the Enhanced Descriptions mod is so fucking good, it says what the things ACTUALL do

[winter tusk]

only real ones know that filthy frank wrote dracula flow

[tulip magnet]

You mean Joji

[winter tusk]

no

[vale garden]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a088634b-9ae8-412b-851f-0df3e049a2f3

Thats what im running

[cedar cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-obi-wan-now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-along-time-gif-11814407

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-guy-thumbs-up-filthy-frank-ok-yes-gif-3892316812536588829

[tulip magnet]

Filthy Frank writing it makes sense. Saying Joji wrote it is funnier

[unkempt salmon]

I haven't been using the special stimm but it says I've progressed Clinical Assassin and Brutal Bludgeons by 34/2000 and 7/1000, did someone use their stimm on me and that counted?

[amber sundial]

stimm crate counts for it

[tropic crag]

thats neat

[winter tusk]

it was one of his songs he decided not to record

[novel oracle]

i think a lot of the toxin ones are a waste on a melee build cuz you might as well take the ones that increase raw melee weapon damage considering thats what rampage is working off of
also hyper critical is shutting off your melee toughness
also hyper violence is basically mandatory on melee builds

[ruby marsh]

Idk if this is a weird take, but I really don't like the overly specialized Keystone

[vale garden]

Ive actually found my toughness pretty good, I think because of the chem nodes

[novel oracle]

youre also skipping 14% attack speed on shivs on that build by not taking swift endurance

[tulip magnet]

chem dependency is the only lame one

[ruby marsh]

I like to make weird builds not go all the way down the middle because if I don't the build is weird

[novel oracle]

no its all of them

all of them are lame and boring
chem dep is lame and boring and bad

[amber sundial]

chem dependency main keystone affect needs changed

[novel oracle]

the other two are boring but they work

[ruby marsh]

It's all, why would I go rampage with the long range keystone?

[amber sundial]

rampage subnodes need changed from 4 affecting duration / activation timing to actual new effects

[last kelp]

Adrenaline is just a super fucking gimped version of Psykers Destiny keystone

[novel oracle]

the original pitch of chem dep was each stack gives stim cooldown, and the subnodes were a buff and debuff per stack

[last kelp]

It makes me sad knowing I could just be playing melee psyker right now and it would be so much better than hive melee

[amber sundial]

thats honestly how i thought it would be 🥀

[novel oracle]

like maybe 5% crit chance and 10% crit damage per stack, but -5% stamina regen per stack

[limber cradle]

I dont get why Rampage has a debuff when SG just exists for free tbh

[novel oracle]

not exactly what we pitched, but thats an example of what itd be like

[amber sundial]

itd be more interesting than what currently is

[last kelp]

Not only that but you retain the buffs for ten seconds after on top of that instead of just being punished

[ruby marsh]

I mean, the debuff on Scryers Gaze is you fucking die instantly if you accidentally push with a force sword

[novel oracle]

SG needs to be nuked
the "debuff" there was ending at max peril, and also having to manage your peril before casting it

[limber cradle]

FS not beating the favorite class allegations

[novel oracle]

warp unbound

[last kelp]

I thought melee hive scum would make me powerful but instead im just exhausted and dead

[ancient basin]

or just use guns and non warp melees

[ruby marsh]

I forget the little nodes, what's that do?

[ancient basin]

like DS, knife, or others

[amber sundial]

10 seconds of peril immunity

[novel oracle]

scriers gaze makes peril irrelevent on the front and backend of the ability to the point where its no longer an issue

[ancient basin]

passive peril management

[ruby marsh]

What in the handholding is this bs? I didn't know it existed

[ancient basin]

my peril is high and I dont really care about it, win win

[novel oracle]

oh and cant forget that it now quells 50% on start
CUZ WHY THE FUCK NOT
LETS JUST GIVE IT THAT FOR NO REASON

[ebon sand]

im actually crashing out I finally get a 410 toughness curio and it's somehow 16% when I have others that are 17

[ancient basin]

saves your bacon more often than not

[amber sundial]

curio score doesnt matter for the %s really

[novel oracle]

LETS ALSO GIVE IT TOUGHNESS REGEN
LETS ALSO GIVE IT WEAKSPOT DAMAGE BAKED IN
LETS SLOW THE RAMP UP SO YOU CAN BE IN IT LONGER
LETS BAKE IN THE DR SUBNODE

[limber cradle]

I wish I knew the whole list but psyker gets some wild stat scaling for just existing at high peril and JaD keeps it from being risky

[novel oracle]

100000 MORE BUFFS TO SCRIERS

[bronze glade]

The power rating doesn't matter outside of Stam curios anyways

[novel oracle]

PSYKER TOO WEAK PLEASE BUFF

[ebon sand]

yeah ik I just read 410 at a glance and thought my suffering was over

[naive imp]

🍿

[novel oracle]

LIKE LOOK AT THIS

[bronze glade]

F

[amber sundial]

psyker should spawn a DH if they are more than 10% peril for 2 seconds

[amber sundial]

WAIT IT HAS FUCKING PASSIVE TOUGHNESS REGEN TOO???

WHAT

[novel oracle]

OH YOU WERENT AWARE

[amber sundial]

HOW MUCH

[limber cradle]

And you can passively activate it on crits iirc with a subnode

[amber sundial]

FUCKING

BUFS

DOES IT NEED

[novel oracle]

THEY SLIPPED THAT AND THE WEAKSPOT DAMAGE IN IN THE PSYKER REWORK

[ruby marsh]

Yeah, I know those perks, I use em, but I keep the Sneeze. My build is centered around soulblaze and toughness regwn

[limber cradle]

Lemme find what I run

[ebon sand]

idk man doesn't sound too good, can you switch to bubble? and purg? thanks

[manic wolf]

Barrel all Psykers off the map.

[bronze glade]

FS not beating any favorite class allegations

[manic wolf]

The abhuman must die

[limber cradle]

This+FGS and Vraks and it feels literally fuckin impossible to die with

[amber sundial]

alright chat so psyker rework time

scriers makes you summon a DH on activation

[naive imp]

scriers kills you at the end

[amber sundial]

shriek makes your teammates go deaf

[manic wolf]

Rework? Send it to the Black Ships

[novel oracle]

id be fine with the toughness regen if they removed the weakspot damage and base damage effects, and the instaquell on start
and also if they reduced the toughness regen from other sources on the right side

[amber sundial]

bubble uhh

gets removed

only doulbe shield

[novel oracle]

thats uh
thats what rampage used to do

[azure mist]

Also the fixes on JAD And Kinetic further buffing psyker even more

[last marsh]

rampage got me actually feeling like a d&d/pathfinder barbarian

[azure mist]

Psyker is THE Favorite child of the game

and im dying on this hill

[novel oracle]

rampage exaust used to be so actively detrimental that casting the ability basically meant you were going to die when it ended

[random shuttle]

nope

it's the Ogryn

that's why all emotes are ogryn

[amber sundial]

you cant die on the hill you have too many buffs

[last marsh]

what was it before

[naive imp]

bubble freezes all projectiles/gunner fire when they touch it - if you walk into them by going outside you take the full damage, and when bubble ends they continue traveling (for gunner fire this just makes everything inside the bubble get shot)

[azure mist]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[novel oracle]

cant really go into detail
but you can probably think of a few debuffs that would result in instant death on this class

[amber sundial]

-75% dodge duration and distance

[modest patio]

what perks for crowbar?

[naive imp]

no sprinting

[ruby marsh]

Is it? Maybe now, but a while back it was hell to play it

[last marsh]

you actually just die from overdose

[novel oracle]

you can do better than that

[ruby marsh]

I always so Zealot as the fav child

[naive imp]

havent been playing that long in relative time but even two reworks ago it was strong

zealot?

[azure mist]

Zealot?

The Build TM Class

for the longest time?

[naive imp]

how was launch zealot

[ancient basin]

100% damage taken, -75% attack speed for 30 seconds

[amber sundial]

rampage should make you take all of the reduced dmg once the rampage ends fr fr

[last marsh]

i remember it being kinda fine

[naive imp]

may The Build live on forever

[novel oracle]

holy evil

[last marsh]

people were trying to make t hammer work

[naive imp]

what if its over time

[amber sundial]

No.

all at once.

[naive imp]

:(

[azure mist]

Stamina + Dodge and Reduction Decrease is my guess

[naive imp]

i want warrior priest back

[amber sundial]

you are given no indication how much dmg you will take either.

[ruby marsh]

I'm scared to ask what was The Build™

https://tenor.com/view/ben10-ben10ultimate-alien-mistake-whoops-uh-oh-gif-18214061

[azure mist]

@obsidian oxide You have the build tm image

[manic kraken]

this means its like "multiple enemies" swing right?

[azure mist]

could you send it

[manic kraken]

or sum like that

[obsidian oxide]

whuh

oh

the relic

[azure mist]

yes

[azure mist]

The build

[amber sundial]

should've sent just the line art

[obsidian oxide]

part of me misses it

[azure mist]

you never ran anything else

[amber sundial]

no talent images

[azure mist]

you pathed that

and thats it

end of story

[obsidian oxide]

what if i got a tattoo of that

its something ive geniunely considered

because it would be really funny

[high gull]

them support gangers are insane if they stay alive long enough to get their crates down

[ruby marsh]

What in the hell am I looking at

[amber sundial]

in a thousand years the build™ will be a secret code people use

[azure mist]

Vet had a less restrictive "The Build"

[amber sundial]

The only build you could ever run on zealot

before the rework

[obsidian oxide]

sifting through real fatshark fans

[azure mist]

Every single build Zealot used

before the rework

you'd path that EXACT line

nothing else

[naive imp]

trying to deviate was both painful and expensive

[novel oracle]

do we rock the Atoman Remorae Vanguard or the Sanctioned Archivist fo today

[amber sundial]

you have to name out every single talent in order, also have to draw the little image too.

[obsidian oxide]

yeah

[azure mist]

Hence the name "The Build" Trademark

[obsidian oxide]

i wonder if i could remake it from memory

hold please

[ruby marsh]

I feel like most classes were, or are, very restrictive with what you can do

[high gull]

Ehh

Launch arby was just

Headbutt skill tree

Win

[amber sundial]

launch arby was literally TRY to make a bad build

[azure mist]

Rework Ogryn and Launch arby were like

peak

Skill tree at the time

[ruby marsh]

Arby is a twat, forget him

[azure mist]

with BBD

we actually have better trees obviously

[naive imp]

ogryn has its top part of the tree pretty locked in but i actually think about which parts of the tree to go with now on most classes

[ruby marsh]

It's funny because Arby is like dumbass handholded fun

[naive imp]

i finally use all 3 vet keystones

without giving up a ton of other shit

[ruby marsh]

And the next class after is "I dare you to survive a single mistake you make"

[azure mist]

Abuse of movement and Chem Tox and their Crate

thats all I can say

issue is extremely few have the skills to balance that yet

[high gull]

I was going toughness + rending strength

[azure mist]

so we will see nearly next to none HS Support players

[high gull]

But I feel like other classes being able to just spam their ability with me is much more fun

[naive imp]

what do you run on 'support' scum, needle pistol?

[azure mist]

Basically

[spark gyro]

I was not finding chem dependency very poggers, but then I realized if I stacked it early I'd have 120s of leniency on a stimm instead of 60s

[high gull]

Saw and needle

[azure mist]

@high gull You can run Tac Axe

Shred + HT with like at least one cleave talent

or HT + BM

[high gull]

You putting the tox on melee crit talent on?

[azure mist]

yeah

its fucked bro

[spark gyro]

Since 4 stacks would go down to 3, and independent of me doing a walter white at 3 or 4 stacks, the end result is 4 stacks with a refreshed timer

[naive imp]

i wish the tox was purple

[amber sundial]

Man I really wanna like the saw but it feels so slow even with speed buffs

[naive imp]

d be a lot cooler if it was

[azure mist]

@amber sundial ^

just run that instead

if you cant stomach Saw run taxe

[obsidian oxide]

ok i gave up

i can do it

but

[high gull]

Saw isn't for everyone

[obsidian oxide]

im too lazy to make this again

[high gull]

I will say that

[mossy tapir]

i use saw because chem toxin funny

[limber cradle]

I really like Shivs tbh

[high gull]

I just like the saw for the free tox application on shove swing

[amber sundial]

How’s taxe crit compared to shiv?

[limber cradle]

Im ngl I like hyper crit on a desp build with shivs too, minimal investment mulching ime

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-smile-nod-nodding-ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-gif-39125060506973541

[supple torrent]

If I grab pocket toxin and chem grenade would chem grenade exceed the 6 stack limit?

[naive imp]

they should add more talents that are just ripped from vermintide

[amber sundial]

It’s just th initial explosion

So wasted talent

[fair oar]

what adrenaline rush nodes are good? you need the middle 3 right?

[amber sundial]

just grab bottom and right

[high gull]

Honestly you're better off just slapping pocket toxin on blackouts

[amber sundial]

the smiter and regen node

[high gull]

But that's just my opinion

[manic kraken]

hi question to you scummers, is bonesaw anygood for crits?

[supple torrent]

Ah kl was wondering how it worked.

[charred bronze]

I don't play havoc. Is revive speed actually 'meta' at high levels? 30+?

or even common?

[limber cradle]

its very useful

idk if i want it on scum tho

[amber sundial]

Revive speed applies to nets and ledge hangs

Along with… revives

[azure mist]

Taxe is like Knife with it having a naturally Good Crit chance + The Talent that gives 20% Crit on dodge

[charred bronze]

so it's become more common since they updated revive speed to apply to those other situations?

[amber sundial]

Cuts nearly a second off revives and like .2 seconds on nets

[limber cradle]

it also stacks additively

[amber sundial]

I’m stupid I can just grab kuli chart

[charred bronze]

ah, seems like it'd play nicer with the revive speed talent tax most zealots pay then, not to mention they can be uninterruptable as well

Does anyone still bring zealots to 30+ havocs?

[spark gyro]

OKAY GAMERS RIDDLE ME THIS

[somber frigate]

Riddle you this.

[spark gyro]

The toughness regeneration stat on the stimm, is it just coherency toughness like curios?

[naive imp]

what if i dont want to

[limber cradle]

Yes

Its not like

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-kitten-kitty-shy-gif-17733420

[limber cradle]

Good

[amber sundial]

Revive speed chart

[somber frigate]

uuuuuugh

[azure mist]

Positive its just the speed in general seeing its include regen speed

[limber cradle]

I imagine you're smart enough to know that tho

[charred bronze]

first few nodes are, you can get 25% from each of the final nodes for an instant 50% toughness gen

[azure mist]

Now if its the curios

[spark gyro]

So it's basically for the damage reduction and toughness heal

[azure mist]

its useless cause its regen only

[spark bough]

The Vraks Mk V is actually hilarious on Hive Scum.

[sturdy linden]

I'm at the point where if I see another plasma vet I will literally queue dodge

[spark gyro]

[azure mist]

basically?

however getting to 4 makes your stim actually GIVE toughness

[spark gyro]

Amogus

[fair oar]

what blessings are you guys running on bonesaw

[limber cradle]

It's for the penance and nothing else ime

[mighty belfry]

Decimator + Shock and Awe

[somber frigate]

that means this node is a joke, right?

[spark gyro]

I wanna test it with chem dependency to see if I can loop two toughness refills

[charred bronze]

hm, you really need to stack it to make it worth a damn

[mighty belfry]

Saw really likes cleave blessings

[spark gyro]

Aye

[somber frigate]

sadness

[limber cradle]

And a bad joke at that

[charred bronze]

correct

[amber sundial]

Tbf only a few curio nodes are good

[novel oracle]

ok cool awesome i love using a push only for an enemy to just not react to it
what is this, vermintide?

[spark gyro]

Admittedly, I wish the stimm cooldown started when using it

Understandable that it doesn't

[charred bronze]

burster got you? ally maybe shot it?

[fair oar]

is decapitator any good on the saw?

[somber frigate]

Stimm-buff CDR being seemingly useless while your ability is in use feels pretty bad too

[charred bronze]

I've had so many bursters blow up in my face from allies of late

[lethal aspen]

i genuinely dont even use the stim unless its for the huge party buff with the box, or if its on a minimum cooldown to get dependancy value

[spark gyro]

Using what could be a powerful tool and not being able to use the talent that refunds its cooldown while I have that power feels counterintuitive

[amber sundial]

Decapitator is utter ass with how it’s coded

[novel oracle]

no normal enemies
so 1 hit killed me
oh and i was that low BECAUSE of a burster i couldnt push cuz it was aimed at someone else and they didnt push it and i had no room to back up

[charred bronze]

it's lovely as a 50% viscosity stim to get back adrenaline or desperado

[high gull]

@limber cradle You using mods right?

[amber sundial]

The enemy has to be FULL HP any amount of dmg prevents the blessing from ever activating

[spark gyro]

Wait, really?

Wow

[novel oracle]

heres why i was low

And heres enemies just not caring about pushes

reminder that pushes are 360 degrees

[charred bronze]

gas and fire are the absolute bane of scum. Does the bomber damage node slow down fire damage ticks?

[manic wolf]

Darktide is fine guys, trust

No bugs here

[high gull]

Servers are shit man

Fucken shoot something multiple times

Get a hit marker for it 4 business days later

[charred bronze]

that honestly looks like heavy lag

[novel oracle]

ngl no mans land is cool but the landscape fucking sucks to fight it

[charred bronze]

not a standard game bug

[novel oracle]

its not made for tide combat

[charred bronze]

I get shit like that right before I DC

[azure mist]

Correct, that one is ass but the other is actually pretty good

[spark gyro]

I got stuck on geometry trying to push a burster

[novel oracle]

my internets fine
i had no laggy stuff happen

[charred bronze]

not you, them. I have gigabit and a low ping connection. Sometimes their servers just. . . give up

[manic wolf]

I dont got the gigabit internet but servers dying has been rather common of late

[spark gyro]

I had a bit of an incident today

[charred bronze]

@novel oracle that said, the taxe fucks, does it not?

[spark gyro]

Auspex wasn't working and I got absolutely mauled by enemies all of a sudden

Then I disconnected

When I reconnected, the teammate was complaining he couldn't use the auspex, I tried pulling mine out and crashed

[half arch]

Not pinged but taxe annihilates on scum

Probably the best taxe user

[amber sundial]

can’t believe you soft locked the mission how rude of you /j

[spark gyro]

Taxe evasion

aka agile taxe

[somber frigate]

Yeah the other one looks ok, i sort of wish stim cd didnt get as high as it does though. The minimum of 15 seems fine though

[novel oracle]

ofc it does

[azure mist]

I'd argue vet is also insane

[novel oracle]

a fast crit weapon with bm on a class with rampage and hyper violence

like

lol

[sturdy linden]

Nimble is so crazy man. I dodged while on a staircase, bumped against the railing, and somehow went over it and had to be rescued???

hello?

momentum?

[charred bronze]

I haven't enjoyed it til scum, tbh. Something about how it performs during Adrenaline just feels so right

[half arch]

It's ok, the HP buffs to armored enemies sucks. Specifically crushers

I havent tried it on new vet though

[manic wolf]

Even Chainsword is kinda cracked on Scummer

[amber sundial]

Being on a staircase as hivescum was your first mistake

[charred bronze]

bm?

[amber sundial]

Dodging is lethal on this class

[half arch]

Brutal momentum

[amber sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446587637442805790/1204.mp4?ex=69387bb9&is=69372a39&hm=4089c0417b56c8bf6004927e48330b11065daaa5c690df6596c1336d9f8057e1&

[charred bronze]

OOoh bromentum

[novel oracle]

brutal momentum

[lethal quartz]

@novel oracle yeeting himself to death with shivs in test before the mercantile door breach

[charred bronze]

i never see it called bm and my brain couldn't resolve it

[novel oracle]

we dont have any clips on that

cuz it was during test, not media

[lethal quartz]

yup

but it's seared into my memory

straight right side strafe dodge into the pit

[amber sundial]

peak

[lethal quartz]

before the door breach to start the mission

no down

just pure fall to death

[lucid raptor]

rng blessed with two +3 stam curios from melk today

emperor be praised

[amber sundial]

Look at you. It’s even a 430

[zealous ravine]

maybe hive scum was made with taxe in mind