hivescum-class

[terse creek]

All because of those disgusting pointy ears deviants 😥

[manic wolf]

Nobody likes space elves

[fathom schooner]

During Fantasy's end times you literally had cults of Tzeentch set up to aid Karl Franz's troops so that the great game could continue because Tzeentch knows that if Chaos wins then it loses immediately

[fathom schooner]

you look at Macha and tell me the Eldar aren't the best

[compact oyster]

Rogue trader shows how scary chaos can be

A single word bearer was able to convert a planet into a daemon world

[manic wolf]

🤨 You're not a xenos sympathizer are you?

[echo python]

There's also the implication that tzeentch shenanigans is how the Ubersreik Five keep switching careers constantly

[terse creek]

I hate fantasy Tzeencht for one single reason: every time I play total war, they always make me skip a turn

[fathom schooner]

No I'm just straight up a xenos, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

[clever wren]

Not sure if official lore has done it yet or not but I feel like Dark Age of Technology human civilization empowered (and then got fucked over by) Tzeentch in a very similar way (if maybe to a lesser degree) to how the Eldar murderfucked Slaanesh into existence

[echo python]

Like they literally had a Lohner's journal entry where Lohner is like "hang on Bardin, weren't you a slayer yesterday?"

[fathom schooner]

"Bardin weren't you a Slayer the other day?"

[manic wolf]

Ok, but Orks get a pass because they're just old skool bikers, but green

[north saddle]

Anyone been carried by hivescum? Ive seen a few attempts but they all died when the bulwarks shielded the specialists too much

[south portal]

Old school football freaks tyvm

[keen timber]

Orks are literally based off english football louts

[fathom schooner]

Hive Scum aren't good at clutches the same way Psykers aren't good at clutches

[keen timber]

and lemme tell u

it's not a good comparison at all

[unreal stirrup]

bruh toxin kill doesnt pock shock and awe lmao

[keen timber]

the orks are WAAAAY too smart

[unreal stirrup]

proc

[fathom schooner]

They have the damage but they're so damn squishy

[terse creek]

I’ve carried and clutch as scum, but not many can

And generally, sticking to fight things like crushers and bulkwards head on while alone ain’t the best idea for em since they lack any stagger

[limber cradle]

Ive solo clutched with scum a few times but its hard

[manic wolf]

They are, but Ive always attributed them to bikers on account of bodging random shit into other, more complicated random shit

[rotund agate]

I've found a new-ish idea (for me at least) for my Rashad melee scum: running crit chance on my Rashad instead of Unyielding, Unarmoured or Flak (I still use Carapace as the second perk), because Rashad crits are surprisingly good.

[north saddle]

I dare you to repeat that sentence in psyker chat and get yelled at

[keen timber]

most bikers take good care of their bikes though

[south portal]

as a biker, ehhhhhhhh

[fathom schooner]

Oh my no, they'll hit max perils instantly and explode

[obsidian crown]

I literally just clutched. Wym?

[limber cradle]

Nah, not impressive yet, its only been auric rated stuff.

[fathom schooner]

At no point did I say it was impossible, chill out Freak

I just said it was harder

[obsidian crown]

…

[terse creek]

Biggest L take I’ve seen so far for scum 💀

[zinc heath]

Holy fuck, two desperato dual smg somehow tore through everything in no man land. like they were so ahead and deleting everything they saw. Me and the arby just mops up everything else.

[north saddle]

My bad. Shame on you. Be better

[manic wolf]

I wouldnt say Scummer is bad at clutching in a vaccum, but if the game decides to fuck you with bullshit, then yeah, you pay very dearly for it

[obsidian crown]

That was such a mountainous reaction to what I said

But that’s to be expected

[compact oyster]

INGERLAND

SCOAR SUM FACKING GOALS

[north saddle]

Always hilarious when that happens

[keen timber]

There’s not remotely enough profanity in that sentence

75% of the words need to be profanity

[terse creek]

Havoc is all that counts

[compact oyster]

Dont forget wife beating

[south portal]

You replied to them in a way that didn’t acknowledge what they were saying at all and also you basically implied because you were able to clutch that their statement was nonsense and you’re surprised they didn’t care for your response lol

[fathom schooner]

Scum mains coming out to tell me their class isn't squishy after losing all toughness to one burst from a stalker is the same as Psykers arguing that they're not squishy after going down to one poxwalker

[north saddle]

I am greatful for people like you playing havoc so i dont have to

Hate that gamemode

[obsidian crown]

Oh shut the fuck up.

[fathom schooner]

Okay hang on we're getting heated here

[south portal]

MOUNTAINOUS response

[obsidian crown]

Yeah that’s intentional.

[terse creek]

Bro what? Why not try out havoc? The mode will test your skill and put you up for a challenge, it’s the most high octane fun to be had imo

[fathom schooner]

Desynch I thought you were a psyker main, hence calling you a freak (zealot's term for psykers) because I'm a zealot main lmao

There was no intended disrespect there

[obsidian crown]

I’m a scum main now.

[fathom schooner]

Okay Vagrant

[north saddle]

I have played and won havoc 40 (thx Papa Willy, you are my hero ❤️).

I just found it too exhausting. Not worth the energy.

[obsidian crown]

Tbh I haven’t tried psyker since their buffs, I’ll check it out eventually

[north saddle]

If i want a headache that is sometimes regarding i'll get a Girlfriend

[manic wolf]

Honestly I'd say the bigger issue for Scummer is suffering some bullshit that might not kill other classes, but is unavoidable. I had a god-tier clutch ruined last night by a no-warning dog for example. If I was on Arb, the dog would have been knocked off an it would have been no issue. Scummer just suffers more when bullshit ensues, but if it doesnt? Nah its pretty damn solid

[obsidian crown]

I only mained old psyker

[stoic halo]

just had a game where the ammo count bugged out and i had 3k ammo

[terse creek]

Really? Fair tho, and yeah, Willy is goated, tho next time I do havoc with him, ima get him kill on purpose, lol

[south portal]

I wish it didn’t have the derank system, it existing is why I believe so many randoms in havoc can be so toxic, because they’re projecting their salt for potential derank at people who may just be getting a feel for havoc

[limber cradle]

You can tell which era this is from by the chosen weapons from tobys

[obsidian crown]

My havoc didn’t derank weirdly enough

It’s still 30

[clever wren]

Just the display or actually 3000 bullets to send

[obsidian crown]

Maybe because I didn’t play it? Idk

[sturdy linden]

I crash once and when I reconnect everybody's dead in a fubar situation

pugs please

[fathom schooner]

Scum been insanely fun tbh but I think I'm sticking to OGryn and Zealot

[south portal]

Don’t you have to lose 3 times to derank

[stoic halo]

just the display 🙁

[sturdy linden]

I just want scoreboard to track my damage taken man

[obsidian crown]

I haven’t started it yet since I got back from a few months break

[stoic halo]

but the count would randomly seem to go up or down when spending ammo

[obsidian crown]

It didn’t change

[young aurora]

what ability is good ofr crowbar?

[south portal]

I’m pretty sure there’s like a havoc placement first?

[obsidian crown]

I assumed there was a weekly decay where you derank by 1 if you don’t play. Maybe that changed

[terse creek]

I personally don’t care if they are toxic, as long as you got the skills to back the shit talking, fair game

But generally I do agree that the de-ranking system should be removed, just cause, it can be annoying

[south portal]

it’s been months and months since I’ve played and I barely played havoc

[fathom schooner]

Randos are so likely to tank the mission tbf 3 missions can be lost in the blink of an eye

[obsidian crown]

I’ve been havoc 40 for a long time. When seasons reset, you go to 30

[south portal]

what is a “season”

[random shuttle]

bababooey bababooey

[south portal]

yeah no I don’t disagree

[random shuttle]

All Glass No Cannon.png

[terse creek]

Essentially when shit gets rotate around

[limber cradle]

No you don't understand, Scum is bad, they just die. Scum can't do damage.

[random shuttle]

How about a deal

[south portal]

Toxic players make me upset I have pretty thin skin in game unfortunately lmao. even if it’s not directed at me which it usually isn’t I just get annoyed when people get actually heated while playing a video game lmao

[random shuttle]

I do DIE and do DAMAGE

[obsidian crown]

899 damage taken.

[random shuttle]

IM GONNA DIE HISTORIC ON THE FURY ROAD

[limber cradle]

Tbh watching people get skill diffed on scum and cry about it feeds me

[obsidian crown]

Man’s pressing w only

[young aurora]

because they run a head and think they can solo

[south portal]

witness!!!!

[random shuttle]

Listen

[ancient basin]

ooo, just got a 420 curio with 21% health

I require stamina tho

[random shuttle]

as someone with 3000k as PYRO main in TF2

[obsidian crown]

I’ll try. I’m deaf though. Go on.

[random shuttle]

I don't know any other way.

[south portal]

How dare you suggest a mucker would think.

[obsidian crown]

[limber cradle]

Pyro was goated when you actually learned Pyro ime

[random shuttle]

W+M1 and God Save Everyone Else.

[manic wolf]

Another fake +3 stam curio

[random shuttle]

Oh I know. I always loved Fact Checking soldiers.

If a soldier shots rockets at me.

He was Fact Checked.

[limber cradle]

Reflecting a soldiers crit back at them was the bees knees

[random shuttle]

If he swung a Shotgun, I knew he was a PRO LEET SOLDA.

[south portal]

Are the TF2 characters mostly just orks in wigs

[limber cradle]

Soldier, yes

Heavy cant be

Is bald

[keen timber]

disco elysium detected

[ancient basin]

loved me sledge hammer, pybro all the way

no spy escaped my wrath

[random shuttle]

best game of all time

true GOTC

[keen timber]

idk about that one chief, but it was good

[limber cradle]

I still haven't played disco

[random shuttle]

Whoa whoa

[limber cradle]

Please no spoil

[random shuttle]

@toxic dagger that guy here

says Disco Elysium isn't best of all time

[keen timber]

wait, is it against the rules to be right? uh oh

[low zenith]

I've clutched 3 havoc 40s and like 9 auric event missions; two of which had a daemonhost on my ass for the better part of 7 minutes while I kited it around a room. It's not terribly hard if you have some throttle control and know when to be aggressive and when to be a little chickenshit

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/disco-elysium-kim-catsuragi-kim-kitsuragi-harry-du-bois-gif-27141786

[brittle sierra]

big news everyone!

[limber cradle]

Scum has some godly kite potential tbh

[limber cradle]

Like when I'm training the map with scum I'm not overly concerned about most things catching up to me

[low zenith]

IKR? The daemonhost didn't touch me once one of those times because I would simply dodge 6 times before it ever decided to tele closer, and then do damage with desperado when I could. The trick imo is a 80 mobility autopistol set

[limber cradle]

What does 60 collat drop on em?

[south portal]

stagger, suppression

[low zenith]

People also sleeping on the blinders.... "Hivescum can't hold ground, hivescum isn't tanky." Me running from everything in the game, and the second I make a mistake I throw down like 3 blinders that regenerate in like 2 minutes of gameplay

[limber cradle]

Tbh I'm not even having a wild amount of trouble kiting with 60s but I'm chemically dependant on Movement Stimm

[random shuttle]

God bless Scumerica.

[limber cradle]

Blinders are imho scums best nade

[low zenith]

It's mostly for pinning fire where you'd need collat, but I've found that speedload is overall better.

[keen timber]

blinders regenning naturally is so insanely cracked

[limber cradle]

Fair enough tbh

[south portal]

What do you guys use with blinders?

[zenith pagoda]

Just did a havoc with 1.4 million toxin damage

[keen timber]

i play melee setups with rampage and blinders

[low zenith]

The only difference without pinning fire is a small area of suppression when attacking gun lines without desperado up... Other than that, it doesn't really stagger -anything- I'd want it to like dogs or poxbursters.

[keen timber]

blinders just enable so much tomfoolery

[limber cradle]

Tbh pocket tox on them is amazing but you don't need it for the control offered. I run em on everything.

[random shuttle]

It always amuses me

[limber cradle]

Tbh I kinda like the idea of dropping collat and taking speedloader, lets me drop the talent reload in tree and afford something else. I'm gonna try that.

[random shuttle]

how every time they make BIG EXPLODEY SUPER COOL blitz it gets overshadow by "like 10 balls of lint your opponent slips on, but it regens"

[low zenith]

I don't use pocket tox with them, tho I will consider it at some point... It feels a bit redundant because to me they're just about getting out of a hairy situation.... My stub autopistols will kill them - just gonna take a sec for me to get out of a crowd

[limber cradle]

Blinders be like "oh no I've been surrounded, anyway"

Pocket Tox isn't needed on blinders but fuck me it's enjoyable

[dim moth]

hey maybe if grenade boxes weren't so goddamn rare in-game

[limber cradle]

Tbh instead of an ammo share aura it should've been nade share

[low zenith]

I still use the talent reload tbh... I stopped using the 10% reload perk on the weapon but I take as much reload speed as possible. I can get 2 minute desperado activations in big crowds

[random shuttle]

If you toss 2-3 blinders to escape I would consider Chem Tox, because then you can turn the distraction into killstraction

[limber cradle]

Tbh I find i can do it without reload perks

Reload perks just let me mulch more things faster

[kind mist]

I want a talent that turns every 10th ammo pickup into a grenade pickup.

[low zenith]

Aye, but what's the point when I turn around and magdump them for free anyway? That /is/ three points. I see it mostly being useful for boss damage when you need to clutch but can't waste the ammo

[main trellis]

@dense hollow OI I'm home

[trim wind]

"Loot goblin"

[random shuttle]

fair.

as a Zooka user

I don't have such issue

just unload my zooka in first 60s of the game and forget I had a blitz

[low zenith]

I like to forget my blitz too with blinders and expend all of them in a bad situation

[rotund agate]

same.

[low zenith]

They regen so fast and have so little use outside of clutching considering the smgs do better dps for less button imputs

[zenith fern]

https://youtube.com/shorts/a0coafd-0RE?si=ZVnA5RkGbk_aFn3Y why did bro just stand still in front of burster and walked into the explosion? Lmao

[random shuttle]

but Volk tbh I am not really talking any real big boy gaming

since I came back to Dorktide

I decided to not even try havocussy

and just stick to Aurics to have fuuuuuuun

And best thing about aurics?

Can pick whatever stupid ass nonsense I want

[zenith fern]

You

[low zenith]

Havoc is starting to wear on me tbh.... People are -really- bad at this game overall, and it's kind of annoying having to play the whole vet people out minigame before queing.

[random shuttle]

That's why Mortussy reigns supreme.

Quickplay.

Wacky.

Still can get a dozen dozen bosses.

[half arch]

Exhibit Z of Poxbursters being fundamentally broken

[random shuttle]

Still get Numpties you need to play for.

Good times.

[low zenith]

I got my true survivor title within a week of starting my havoc grind and ever since it's like.... Well, that's the only achieve that matters; might as well just help real low level havocs for the rest of them

[toxic dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/weeze-vpit-vkunia-veeme-troy-gif-25310810

[sturdy linden]

Idk why the whole party finder thing exists, along with some of the most tedious mods imaginable

It's like

[low zenith]

I beat the hardest shit in this game and it wasn't -terribly- hard with solid teammates, so the difficulty is obviously mostly in the brain eating amoeba that inhabit your average tider

[toxic dagger]

Of course it is.

[low zenith]

So

[sturdy linden]

Fatshark designed a hard, fun game mode but were determined to make it as annoying and tedious as possible

[raven matrix]

is the crowbar intended to be the natural pairign to the dual stub pistols?

[half arch]

Combat blade

[random shuttle]

okay, hot take

I don't like Stub Pistols

They doo doo and also, boring

😏

[low zenith]

I kinda disagree with the whole dropping havoc level manually / having it 'reset' a little every season or being stuck at that level. If I hit havoc 40, don't put more grind on me... Let me just manually select a level and play the game at the level of challenge I want

[keen timber]

counterpoint, stub pistols bang

[half arch]

Stub pistols are good but you have to build specifically for them

[shut tapir]

what builds do yall like for auric?

[keen timber]

they have style

[sturdy linden]

Exactly

[half arch]

Kinda like crowbar

[keen timber]

not even slightly

[sturdy linden]

And also get rid of utterly shitass mods like blight spreads / stimms + rotten armor

[low zenith]

THANK YOU.... The autopistols -literally- perform better in every way. JUST TAP FIRE IT A LITTLE. The ammo economy is so good it's unironically better than taking the handguns EVEN IF ALL YOU DO IS SNIPE WITH THEM

[terse creek]

If only there was a way to fix bad players 😥

[sturdy linden]

They're not fun

They're just ultra tedious

[keen timber]

nah not even

[random shuttle]

I am very wise

[keen timber]

i dont want to be istting there tapping in the midle of a horde

i want to pull out, shoot, swap

[low zenith]

It takes like a a tenth of a second if you're aiming well

[sullen ridge]

blasted dodge distance

[low zenith]

Because the dps of the autopistols is insane

[bronze glade]

Not a fan of them either even if they have a lot of style

I wish we could get single stubs

[keen timber]

unless whatever you're shooting at is more than three centimetres from your face

[bronze glade]

Would actually go pretty hard I think

[random shuttle]

DAP is cool

[low zenith]

I've done 80m sniper kills in the middle of mixed hordes that cover a 220 degree radius around me

[random shuttle]

but

but...

[low zenith]

It's not terribly hard

[spark gyro]

They're here to stay in rotation. Pray you get a good map.

[random shuttle]

IAG Vraks babyyyyy

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-im-talking-about-kevin-malone-brian-baumgartner-phyllis-lapin-phyllis-smith-gif-16115118

[low zenith]

I also play in 3rd person where aiming is harder

[dim moth]

rotten armor is fine imo

[keen timber]

TRUE

[keen timber]

and you also play with 1 hand and ur monitor turned off too?

[sturdy linden]

In isolation i can tolerate it. In combination with stimms though...

[low zenith]

The speedy speed braced autogun

[dim moth]

yeah because stimms is aids

actually that's unfair to the other 3 stimm types

blue stimms are aids

[random shuttle]

I tried all the guns for my Despacito

[sturdy linden]

Also thank you for your tox/bleed shivs idea, it is a ton of fun

[random shuttle]

and IAG just

[sturdy linden]

[random shuttle]

it speaks to me

it whispers

[charred nexus]

So I'm trying pinning fire on the Dual Stubs, and is it just me, or is the proc rate absolutely abysmal?

[keen timber]

I miss the pre-nerf IAG where they had literally zero recoil

they still dont have a ton of kick

[random shuttle]

it gently nibble my earlobe, salaciously moaning into my ear "Press W and shoot at things until they die."

[keen timber]

but they used to be natural laserguns

[random shuttle]

[ripe seal]

With pick pocket and desperado; I can probably try running the autoguns that aren’t the high ammo ones, that’s the only infantry and braced ones I ever used

[bronze glade]

Yeah don't bother with pinning on stubs imo

[dim moth]

columnus IAG is still like this

[low zenith]

Just sayin' it's possible, don't diss me just because you can't handle it

[keen timber]

I'm talking the Vraks

[dim moth]

well yeah it's hive scum you better

[keen timber]

I like the IAGs, I do prefer using them with the custom weapons mod so u can put a sight on them, the irons kinda suck

[ripe seal]

Vraks is fun but you do got to wrangle it a bit

[keen timber]

never used to be like that, it was just free 0 recoil for free

[random shuttle]

I love Vraks

give it Dumdum+FireFrenzy

click on blue enemies

win

[brittle sierra]

*deathspitter

[low zenith]

Is it's dps higher or on par with autopistols? How do you build it?

[ripe seal]

I don’t think I ever really used it much until after that, before during the first year of the game the 3 round rifle was my go to gun on veteran

[bronze glade]

I think FF is better on Vraks tbh

Damage > strength

[low zenith]

I think they're saying deathspitter over dumdum

[charred nexus]

what do you recommend? i was thinking run&gun + speedload

[bronze glade]

No way lol

[dim moth]

Vraks IAG is the literal highest DPS gun in the entire game

[ripe seal]

The IAGs should have much better range and different blessing options with pros and cons

[bronze glade]

Depends on whether it's a desperado build Ig

[dim moth]

it only loses damage races against a bolter magdumping and only barely

[north crow]

the biggest issue with hive scum is the weapons really

[dense hollow]

@main trellis whoa..i'd be down rn

[dim moth]

until the bolter has to reload lmao

[low zenith]

I knew it was one of them, but I didn't know it beat the new ones

[north crow]

they all suck but needle

[charred nexus]

desperado, yeah

[keen timber]

i miss this vraks

[dim moth]

ye dual autopistols shred too but they don't crit like vraks does

[keen timber]

bolter when magdumping vs bolter when you're doing literally ANYTHING else

[low zenith]

IDK, just figured if someone was gonna substitute that it'd be deathspitter because close damage calculates with other bonuses a bit better than strength because of some multiplicative math bs

[dim moth]

that's...the vigilant autogun

not infantry

[ripe seal]

It’s shooting in full auto thou, that’s the model of the 3 round burst one but it’s shooting way faster

[keen timber]

oh man I cant remembet the name

[dim moth]

yeah

[ripe seal]

Also none of the autoguns have a sight like that

[dim moth]

zealot charge makes your guns shoot faster

[keen timber]

because i was running a mod

[low zenith]

About what I expected, thank you though. I'll be sure to try it

[main trellis]

https://discord.gg/mXCn52Dy

[dim moth]

since it's just global attack speed

[charred nexus]

i wish the dual stubs had a blessing that gave you high crit when you perform the special attack

[keen timber]

it used to let them shoot through armour too

for like 3 seconds

[bronze glade]

Yeah that's prob what id run for desperado though I don't think stubs are good for desperado

Or anything else

[low zenith]

Ahhhh, that would make sense. Appreciate it, I don't know the crit values anymore and I haven't found a spreadsheet with the new stuff yet

[charred nexus]

how about for fun?

[bronze glade]

DAP has horrible fucking finesse

[ripe seal]

I sorta like stubs a bit more than smgs for desperado but smgs are still good

[bronze glade]

Like truly terrible

[tardy citrus]

SCUM ON, SCUMMERS

[low zenith]

Lex offender shuffle

[bronze glade]

Yeah go for it if you like it

[tardy citrus]

FROM YOUR LOCAL FENTGHOUL!

[ripe seal]

Shredder and I think the IAGs have what, a -2/3 crit rate?

[north crow]

shredder does 0 crit dmg

do not

[ripe seal]

From what I hear akimbo smgs don’t do crit strings either

[low zenith]

They don't crit string?!? That explains the dogshit crusher damage

[north crow]

they might

[dim moth]

vraks IAG is the gun that fatshark is afraid of making a 2nd one of when putting bad crit on automatic guns

[north crow]

but the crit dmg on shredder is aweful

[north crow]

call me Phrankenstein

[ripe seal]

Any extra damage good and you want to be farming crits with vulture

[flint violet]

should i take the rampage rending node if im using the rashad

[bronze glade]

Wdym

[limber cradle]

I love that head tbh

[lost token]

People just need to be okay with acknowledging that they're not where they want to be yet. And actually take their fucking time learning.

[leaden fable]

She chrome on my dome

[bronze glade]

Not really needed

[ripe seal]

I feel like the face paint actually makes that head piece work

[north crow]

its so good right

[north crow]

+60% is pretty mediocre

[bronze glade]

It's on the good end

[north crow]

also did they buff it, I remember it being less

60% is average

[bronze glade]

Yeah

[north crow]

figures

[bronze glade]

I'd say it's good

[ripe seal]

How is the bolt pistol on desperado like, I haven’t ran that yet

[north crow]

shredder is aight than

[low zenith]

Yeah, it's also really backloaded tbh. I was having an ass time leveling it up until I hit level 26? I saw how this class worked and sorta knew people would be filtered out hard by it tho

[bronze glade]

I mean stuff like DAP has like 30 percent finesse

[north crow]

no yea

[low zenith]

MFW not every class is a toughness regen tanky support melee damage class 🥹

[north crow]

I didn't realize its buffed finesse

it used to be really bad

[limber cradle]

Id rather make numerous YouTube videos about how the class is bad cause my overinflated niche internet microcelebrity personality cannot handle it post Arb release.

[ripe seal]

Shredder has nice enough reload that you can get away with no running speedloader and calvercade lets you farm invincibility

[lost token]

Toughness dependency saddens me.

[zenith fern]

WHY

Oops caps

[bronze glade]

Yeah

[zenith fern]

[bronze glade]

Pretty good

[tender forge]

True

[ripe seal]

I have the bolt pistol maxed out so I’ve been only using the exclusive weapons

[random shuttle]

I just love it. That's without even Despacito active. Can mulch them baddies so good and Vraks has innately low reload speed. Dunno, I am sure DAPs are great, maybe even better, but Iag just feels super comfy.

[low zenith]

I was honestly considering inspiring barrage on a braced and it was doing pretty solid in my testing. Just didn't have enough up front dps to secure special kills for the pickpocket feedback loop with high dps teammates

[bronze glade]

You should use the explosive mark though

[ripe seal]

The only time didn’t run a exclusive weapon was trying desperado with shotguns

[lost token]

Oh goody, a circlejerk

https://tenor.com/view/buster-jam-baby-happy-rattle-microgame-gif-3717647018067494000

[limber cradle]

See? You understand.

[ripe seal]

You can farm inspiring barrage really well but you can honestly get enough toughness from gun spam already that it might be overkill

[zenith fern]

Can I learn and you give me this power?
Been trying braced autogun desperado builds but dont think I have found the potential of it yet

[limber cradle]

Tbh IAG is good but I prefer duallies for the mobi on em

[sturdy linden]

I have seen people absolutely fuck with both Graia and Agri Brauto

[random shuttle]

well instead of brauto

try IAG Vraks

[low zenith]

The reason I love DAP is because of it sort of innately has run and gun and terrifying barrage baked in, which gives it a lot of utility. But that does look like some insane dps

[lost token]

I won't need to learn how to learn if I only see a handful of people as absolute authorities on something I'd be understanding anyway enough to think for myself too. 🧠

[random shuttle]

yeah for sure

[ripe seal]

My main volley fire build is the vraks IAG with my second most used guns being the braced autogun with the most ammo, I know that shit shreds

[bronze glade]

Agri Brauto is insane on desperado

[random shuttle]

I Just don't feel DAPping

Vrakky feels warm and cosy

at home

coming from work to tell me a story

[low zenith]

That's moreless the conclusion I drew too

[limber cradle]

If they put run and gun on vraks id use it lmfao

[zenith fern]

i am simple man, not sure what IAG Vraks is

Autopistol?

[limber cradle]

Auto rifle

[random shuttle]

Infantry Autogun, Vraks mark

[ripe seal]

Popping volley fire and chewing through groups of shooters and ragers is fun, and scum gets to do that all the time

[low zenith]

The assault rifle with the most ammo. Nobody used to use them 'cause they kick like a mf and vet benefits most from slower weapons

[lost token]

Learning to play with risk is a skill in of itself. I cry whenever toughness is brought up as a metric when it's irrelevant to why someone went down.

[limber cradle]

Really consistently good gun on basically anyone that can get it

[tender forge]

Im saddened by the get hit penance

[keen timber]

dont need toughness if u learn how to press space whenever the game makes the "ur about to get hit" noise

[tender forge]

[zenith fern]

you using full auto mod for that clip?

[tender forge]

Need to play with my friend so that I get the level 3s who get hit

[keen timber]

ok whats the setup for ranged scum, ill give it a gander

[random shuttle]

nope

never had any full auto / auto attack mods

[tender forge]

I keep accidentally sliding lol

[ripe seal]

I think the other autoguns gets more flat damage and I think one of them gets cleave, but the vraks just gets bigger DPS and also gets more bullets from ammo picks up and scavenger due to the high ammo pool

[random shuttle]

where's the fun 😄

[lost token]

I don't even read those fr these days. What is it?

[tender forge]

Gain 2600% tpughness from stim

[manic wolf]

FullAuto mod stops your hands getting fucked up with semi auto weapons and I love it

[limber cradle]

"Yeah I'd love to play less of the game actually"

[lost token]

That amongst other things yeah.

[zenith fern]

uzis, hold mouse1
profit

[low zenith]

Basically just make sure you get vultures mark with the middle and right modifier, pickpocket and the one below it, as well as desperado w/ rending. Highly recommend going single stim tree into fury 2 for a 44 second cd crusher killer

[random shuttle]

yeah but IAG Vraks is full auto by default

so

[low zenith]

It's not hard to set up

[random shuttle]

just hold button down

and keep hosing the lead

[bronze glade]

[ripe seal]

I just have a macro to spam left clicks for melees, it works too for guns but I can’t set it up in a way where I can aim while doing it, it only works with hip fire

[lost token]

I still gotta level my scum but I'm loving it.

[keen timber]

always run fury 2

[lost token]

So much sauce. So much enablement for more sauce.

[manic wolf]

I mean, yes, but also I dont wanna get carpel tunnel as punishment for playing stuff that isnt full auto

[random shuttle]

I am an Artist. I had carpal tunnel since I was 14.

I fear no game.

[low zenith]

People make the mistake of running the attack speed with it when personally I don't feel it justifies the double cd. Sure, it makes you REAL scary but... You can be /pretty/ scary twice as often, and that matters a lot more imo

[lost token]

Highly recommend actually doing hand warm ups as a general practice.

[zenith fern]

am i insane? where is vraks?

[ripe seal]

You could run any of the headhunter guns, their fire rates should have a high cap so you can fire them super fast if you tap enough

[sturdy linden]

you're looking at VIGILANTS

not Infantry

[ripe seal]

You’re looking at the burst rifles, not the auto

[keen timber]

yeah, I have been running the toughness one on my melee setup but im real close to removing it because I'd rather have the option to pop it more

[ripe seal]

Also columnus my beloved

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/kronos-whistle-kronos-whistle-rage-shake-my-head-gif-18220347

[low zenith]

Vigilant = semi auto / burst. Infantry are the ARs

[severe ore]

What is the best weapon on the hive scum, I just picked up the dlc yesterday

[keen timber]

is it worth running sample collector on this

[low zenith]

I hated that one tbh. It felt like it was rewarding me for playing badly when scums main thing is just... Not ever getting touched in the first place

Glad to be done with all the pennances

[zenith fern]

Oh i am stupid LOL

[low zenith]

That one, and the heavy attack while stimmed were TERRIBLE

[keen timber]

im not even doing it for the penance, i just started doing it because why not

[amber sundial]

I just ran heavy sword rampage so it was easy lol

[keen timber]

heavy whilst stimmed feels fine, im just using a chainsword

[zenith fern]

Too many guns with autogun name on it smh

[low zenith]

I used crowbar and felt like ripping my hair out even with chem dependency and a single point for a 15 second stim cd

[ripe seal]

I think the only viable use case for toughness stim is for crate builds as support but even then you’d be better off swapping to zealot or arbite and use their version instead

[random shuttle]

Aww don't say that.
You're not stupid.
You're just dumb!

🤗

[severe ore]

I like the crowbar but it doesn't feel as effective as the shivs

[lost token]

I plan on losing my mind when I unlock stimm talents. I just busy since last week so when I get to play more, I get to play more.

[keen timber]

@low zenith thoughts? I've got 3 points left over rn

[tender forge]

The toughness side of the stimm only buffs coherency regen

[amber sundial]

Also why’d they have to give toughness branch a penance, should’ve just given it to the CDR branch

[tender forge]

And the penance only counts that, chem dependency (not sure if true) and the 25%

[woeful hill]

Can I send a bug report directly to the devs

I got a beast of nurgle in my game

that shouldnt happen

[bronze glade]

Truly a crowbar moment

[amber sundial]

sorry i placed it there my bad

[tender forge]

Same but it was a slaaneshi bon

[woeful hill]

20 min solo, get 2 BoN, die

its so possible to get a H40 scum solo

[obsidian crown]

Don’t use precision with hyper

[woeful hill]

but god BoN arent fun to interact with

[pale rain]

This is just worded poorly

[south portal]

enjoy shooting their tongue and running !!

[ripe seal]

It reduces the penalty, it doesn’t give you extra speed

[keen timber]

oh yeah, forgot about the bug

is hyper crit worth it with the dual smgs?

[low zenith]

This is what I've done. Not saying it's meta or anything but I've just so far found the most comfort in this

[obsidian crown]

You could go stim cooldown, or go more dmg

[south portal]

what’s your stim?

[manic wolf]

Hell yeah, Chainsword is great on Scummer

[obsidian crown]

No burst of energy?

[sturdy linden]

lukewarm take but I think the ONLY scum setup that would not be objectively best off using Hypex-only stimm is probably a Crate user

[low zenith]

Never felt the need w/ voice of tertium

[limber cradle]

Bro hates hypercrit

[manic wolf]

I dont take that on my ranged Scum either tbh

[keen timber]

only issue i have with it rn is crushers and kinda maulers. rev is fine but it's slow if there's more than 1

[obsidian crown]

It’s such a good QoL especially the stun/supp immunity

[low zenith]

Hypercrit is mostly for melee, I've found. Doesn't do much for guns.

'least not the guns I use

[manic wolf]

You playing Rampage?

[north saddle]

The laggy hitboxes and bugged bursters suck....

Fucking fs

[keen timber]

i am

[limber cradle]

Fwiw it's coded melee only

[keen timber]

oh fair enough

weird it's in the 'ranged' portion of the tree then

that whole little node cluster is fucking weird tbh

[amber sundial]

Same with the backstab node

[manic wolf]

Well between that, Needle Gun as secondary and Pocket Toxin Blackouts they should be pretty easy to deal with

[trim wind]

it also won't trigger on kill effects

[keen timber]

not running needle gun tbh

oh right i should get pocket toxin on this shouldn't I

[manic wolf]

You should, it just works to compensate for Chainsword's only real downside

[obsidian crown]

So no stim cooldown perk, no cooldown nodes on stims? 🤔

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[keen timber]

can I go sideways here?

[limber cradle]

Tbh I don't run CD stim wither

[manic wolf]

Yes, yes you most certainly should, and yes you can go sideways

[low zenith]

My curios are all like this, my melee weapon doesn't matter because I only use it for poison applications on bosses and kiting (tho I should really put points into it for /something/), and I use a bunch of different guns but mostly these for havoc

[south portal]

If ye dare

[keen timber]

I have, and it's not showing a path

[ripe seal]

I should probably remove hypercrit on my gun builds, especially with picking up pickpocket so I don’t need it to access culture

[obsidian crown]

For desperado. Too good

[keen timber]

is that a visual bug

[low zenith]

Doesn't need it tbh

[manic wolf]

Back out of menu and go back in, its visual

[limber cradle]

Ik its good on desp but tbh I'm not a massive fan

[keen timber]

so it is

[amber sundial]

Wait why’d you go coherency radius

[obsidian crown]

Yeah I’m not a fan of your build. Good for you though. But not optimal

[ripe seal]

Cooldown is really only for desperado but that also means not using it to buff desperado, it’s a sorta weird feel

[keen timber]

errr, dunno

[manic wolf]

Yeah, coherency radius kinda bad

[keen timber]

good point though

wait i know

[manic wolf]

Take the extra blitz charge instead

[keen timber]

i was going down for sample collector

and wasn't thinking about other stuff

[amber sundial]

blitz also leads to sample

[ripe seal]

I like coherency radius on everyone else but scum I feel don’t get much from it

[keen timber]

yeah but i wasn't thinking

[amber sundial]

fair enough

[ripe seal]

I guess stim case is the most team oriented tree so it makes sense it’s over there

[keen timber]

i just tunneled on sample

[south portal]

the most powerful counterpoint

[low zenith]

My brother in christ I've run like 20 havoc 40s since the update and everybody I know running the 'optimal' build is getting shit on. I'm just showing someone because they asked for rudimentary advice on ranged scum

[keen timber]

Objection: I have brain damage

[manic wolf]

I dont take it on anyone tbh, it just seems kinda poopy most of the time

[low zenith]

I can explain every single choice I've made and why I made it

[south portal]

no one likes a braggart

[ripe seal]

Getting an extra blitz is just worth more and lets you hit more nodes, it’s only not as useful for blackout nades

[obsidian crown]

The optimal build is close to what Cole runs and he shits on h40. What do you mean?

[amber sundial]

You may be slightly unique here for now but you definitely aren’t unique from #zealot-class

[keen timber]

I am indeed a zealot main

[low zenith]

Cole runs rampage w/ heavy sword, doesn't he? I also don't 'know' cole. I just see him sometimes

[obsidian crown]

He’s a playtester

[manic wolf]

Everyone here has braindamage, we're juicing up with stims 30 times a game

[low zenith]

I know he's a playtester

[arctic imp]

Rending? Why rending?

[obsidian crown]

But yeah, he runs all builds but pushes desperado

[amber sundial]

The stims alleviate the brain damage lol

[manic wolf]

Apparently they do not

[low zenith]

Same reason I only one track. Turns the gun into a crusher killer whenever you need it. 44 seconds is a great cd for the packs of crushers that come in.

[keen timber]

@obsidian crown are you pushing for sample collector on a CD Stim?

[ripe seal]

Extra tending is always good but I feel like I’d notice 10% crit chance over 10% tending

[south portal]

it’s a ranged spam build lol

[low zenith]

^^

lmao

[amber sundial]

Must’ve not taken the toughness branch then

[limber cradle]

Build makes a lot of sense to me tbh

[leaden fable]

10% additional tendies

[arctic imp]

Ohhhhhh that looks really good then

[obsidian crown]

I say you can run it, or go more flat dmg outside of desperado, this part is preference

[limber cradle]

Its set up specifically to mow things down with the Macs

[sturdy linden]

the curio perks that grant resistance against bombers or flamers, they don't actually work for their fire right? It's only against their omegalol melee attacks?

[arctic imp]

I thought it was melee i just got here

[keen timber]

where's the extra flat damage coming from here?

[low zenith]

You see the VISION. It's not the best, but I literally never have to swap to my melee unless I'm the last one alive because people love inspecting floors even on damnation

Shits on havoc 40 really safely, too

[arctic imp]

There are plenty of builds like that though, this stim seems like a small part but I see why you made it go with what it has

[obsidian crown]

Weak spot and elite/monstro node then the 20% DR node under burst of energy is a good 3 point investment. Or if you want more desperado, can go sample collector and maybe 75% coherency radius to help out teammates with 15% toughness

[ripe seal]

As long as the game doesn’t delay elite/special spawns for pickpocket, you really never have to swap off your guns

[manic wolf]

I thought the weakspot node was bad due to the way its calculated?

[arctic imp]

Which is essentially havoc

[ashen hamlet]

Man the lag

[livid raven]

it is

[ashen hamlet]

is horrendous

[obsidian crown]

I’ve tested it and I love it tbh

[keen timber]

bottom looks like this rn, I have 4 points, I could go 20% dr and sample collector then set up my desperado for stims

wwait this shit didnt save my adjustments

bruh

[arctic imp]

It’s still a pretty good chunk of increased damage, but from my testing it gives you no breakpoints so… makes your overkill damage high though

[sturdy linden]

this is what I'm currently enjoying the most: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a08bd41c-ffd8-43b5-9e77-8d28c3c8de1f

[low zenith]

It lets me save like.... 4-5 points? I don't need to take chem dependency, vultures mark feels far more impactful vs gun lines where everyone else struggles. Get the stim faster, at the cost of using desperado a -little- bit less but frankly there's so many elites and specialists that pickpocket covers it every single time.

[ripe seal]

I never feel tempted to pick up the clip size boost

[manic wolf]

Yeah, I thought so, I noticed zero tangible difference overall when running it so ditched it for other things

[arctic imp]

It’s because of the lack of changed** breakpoints. That node specifically probably needs a buff, everyone writes it off as not enough because it isn’t

[livid raven]

i wouldn't be surprised if it's like 5% more total damage on weakspot

[low zenith]

Vultures also lets me clutch 'cause that move speed is no joke

[livid raven]

25% is just really shit

[arctic imp]

It’s 25%. I tested it, it’s just not an actual lot in practice

[low zenith]

^

[ripe seal]

Veteran gets 30% weak spot damage on their node

[livid raven]

i said total damage

[keen timber]

yeah from what i remember

[obsidian crown]

Just adds up more over time

[livid raven]

it's not 25% more total damage

[obsidian crown]

Especially in bullet sponge modes like havoc

[keen timber]

weak spot damage boosts dont boost the total damage, just the damage boost for weakspots, so it ends up being miniscule

[ripe seal]

I assumed it was to the modifier

[keen timber]

i didnt know if they had fixed that

[livid raven]

there is nothing to fix

it's just how fatshark means it

[arctic imp]

It’s 25% of your attack. And that’s the actual math, it IS doing that. But it’s just not a lot more

[keen timber]

i mean, i guess not

[livid raven]

uh no

[ripe seal]

So if your weak spots do 1.5x damage, it goes to 1.75x rather than a 25% bonus to total damage on a weak spot hit

[livid raven]

that's not how 25% weakspot damage works, it's not 25% more of your total attack

[errant hatch]

best Dump Stat on Shivs?

[keen timber]

In a different vein, with adren, do we think it's worth running the stacks on kills modifier?

[arctic imp]

that’s what the math looked like when i tested it

[low zenith]

All I know is I took it because I wanted a -tiny- bit more damage against bosses and nothing else seemed enticing

[sullen ridge]

do dots like chem toxin or whatever the needle pistol does count as ranged damage?

[arctic imp]

an attack without the node does x, with the node you see a 25% increase

[amber sundial]

Stacks on kill is goated

[livid raven]

not, otherwise it would be a must pick

[low zenith]

Adrenaline honestly feels really weak for some reason? I feel like it only really pops when things are dying down

[woeful hill]

Blinders should have a gurenteed stagger open on bulwarks

[livid raven]

sorry but that's just never how it has been

[astral wing]

in your face does increase the damage but you'll have to test other ranged damage nodes yourself

[sullen ridge]

nuts

[low zenith]

But maybe stack on kill would fix that

[arctic imp]

Dude go test it. It does give you 25%. It’s just weak as fuck

[sullen ridge]

off to see sefoni

[ripe seal]

I’m pretty sure it works the same crit/weak spot damage perks works on guns

[keen timber]

feels good, idk if it's worth it due to the points where u only have big targets to stack it on

[keen timber]

i find it stacks fast

and it's 100% uptime once it's active

[livid raven]

it does work the same

[amber sundial]

Even trash mobs give 5 stacks

Literally kill 6 trash mobs and boom it’s up

[keen timber]

4

[ripe seal]

Yeah, I run adrenaline without any of the stack nodes, just toughness and duration on the big effect

[sullen ridge]

dots do not count as ranged damage

[amber sundial]

It’s 4 additional to the 1 stack you get on non crit

[keen timber]

does is still give you the regular stack?

it says non killing blows grant none

[arctic imp]

As in? The math does show a 25% increase on weak spot hits as opposed to weakspots hits without the node. How else is it supposed to work?

[obsidian crown]

currently this is what i'm testing

[keen timber]

isnt hypercrit melee only

[amber sundial]

the killing blow grants the regular 1 stack then grants an additional 4 non conditional, and an extra for a crit kill

[keen timber]

oh so it just refers to the extra stacks. that's good then

[obsidian crown]

Ah I need to take it off. I had weak spot in an old build. So hypercritical was needed to path to it

[chrome storm]

personally, i wouldnt

[trim wind]

hypercrit is melee and will not trigger on kill effects

[keen timber]

i question if it's better to run the weakspot one then

[arctic imp]

If you do 891 on a heavy attack, you will do 1113. it is currently doing that with the weak spot node

[ripe seal]

If a weapon has a 1.1x weak spot/crit modifier, a 10% finesse bonus turns it into 1.2 modifier, it doesn’t add another 1.1 modifier

[rotund agate]

if you kill something, you get 5 stacks. If you kill something with a crit, you get 6 stacks.

[chrome storm]

i dont run any of them, simply smacking is enough

[arctic imp]

That makes sense, I tested it with crowbar and it did show me a 25%

[keen timber]

stacks feel kinda slow then

[chrome storm]

save the points,hordes are big enough for s quick bulid up

[livid raven]

without and with

[rotund agate]

it stacks better in hordes if you take the kill-stacking.

[amber sundial]

i do like that adren can refresh the timer if you get the 30 stacks before it ends

[chrome storm]

yes, but then u cant keep it up vs bosses or heavy targets

[keen timber]

slightly different to me

[keen timber]

it still grants the stack on hit though

[limber cradle]

25 percent weakspot damage doesn't feel incredibly good to me on macs tbh

[manic wolf]

Its 25% of the bonus damage from hitting a weakspot, not 25% more damage for hitting a weakspot. I just ran the numbers

[livid raven]

that's a 6% increase in damage

[chrome storm]

mine uses tox stacks for dmg and tougness regen

15% dmg and 15% tougness

[livid raven]

lol no sorry not 6%

[amber sundial]

is the 35% finesse stim worth at all?

[south portal]

From what it sounds like, it is not a finesse weapon so that makes sense

[keen timber]

the 15% damage feels way too difficult to keep active given how fast toxed things die

[ripe seal]

I feel like even if the boosted adrenaline nodes didn’t remove the adrenaline you gained in normal hits, it would still be unnecessary

[manic wolf]

I got like another 100 damage on weakspot with the perk from what I was doing without it

[keen timber]

especially if u run a weap like the caxe which'll be onetapping

[manic wolf]

Its not worth it

[arctic imp]

🤮 that’s gross. It did give me 25% on crowbar versus a crusher but that may have been a fluke after seeing that

[limber cradle]

Concurred, like it on the pistol pistols tho

[manic wolf]

Same reason why weakspot damage perk on weapons is bad

[south portal]

Yeah it’s why the weak spot and crit damage perks on weapons are traps

[low zenith]

Mmmmm.... Maybe I drop the weak spot node and put on burst of energy then just for even more of a safety net against bombers

[chrome storm]

my bulid idea uses the crowbar and uses the fact it doesnt one shot. one stack of tox is enough to proc the tougness regen on kill. so a heavy hit will infect many in a crowd, so dmg and toughness

[silver mural]

Oh dang, good catch ive been running it

[keen timber]

id rather just kill the things i hit

[limber cradle]

convenient

[rotund agate]

heavy targets die quickly in just about any type of mixed horde, and they give even more stacks when they do die.

I know from personal experience, that running kill-stacking on adrenaline is the way to go.

[tender forge]

Chem depenency should make stimm pack come up before even sample collector stims right (assuming it gets fixed)?

[keen timber]

sit there hitting enemies so i can not kill them and then do more damage on... the now weakened enemies

[silver mural]

I wonder if its good on weapons with really high finesse? The weakspot 25 percent node i mean

[low zenith]

Go for it - collat is ONLY better for DAPS if you wanna run pinning fire with it but.... TBH speedload feels a lot better unless you don't want the 2 minute desperado freestylin

[south portal]

lacerate blessing on knife gameplay

[chrome storm]

its about longevity, not just raw dps

not everything is dps

[limber cradle]

I already own a pair of mobi dumped PF ones so I might as well own these two and see which i prefer

[chrome storm]

this is why so many drop like flies

[keen timber]

for real. ive been scoffing at that for years

[south portal]

i will intentionally not hit weak spots with the knife that would kill enemies faster so I can add a nominal amount of bleed stacks to them so they can die in 10 seconds instead

[low zenith]

Careful now, it says you're new hear but that phrase has been parroted many times here - and is cursed. It used to bring the WHOLLLLEEE community down on you to shit on your opinion

[limber cradle]

Brunt's has been literally goated for me on this character

[low zenith]

here*

[keen timber]

no they die because theyre shit players who cant survive unless they can statcheck the game. Not because they're building wrong.

[limber cradle]

Dude is just selling me whatever I happen to be thinking about at the moment

[keen timber]

builds are ENTIRELY irrelevant in these cases

[chrome storm]

like id give a fuck what they think, corpses cant talk

[keen timber]

if they learned how to use the basic mechanics they would do fine

[zenith pagoda]

Just heard an ogryn talking about an ogryn proverb

So smart

[ripe seal]

Bleed on not weak/crit really only works for Ogryn’s/bosses but you also get enough crits that you might as well run that instead

[south portal]

ogryns think proverbs are professional verbs

[low zenith]

People talk so much about 'optimal' builds and then kiss the dirt immediately like... Bro, if you run a suboptimal build you like you're far more likely to be good at it

[amber sundial]

proverbs probably get more rations because they're pros

[chrome storm]

im playing a diff game, im here for the team fr fr. i care not that my dps isnt one shotting crushers. i care that i can keep going in poor situations because 1-2 kills is like max toughness

[keen timber]

i keep going in tough situations because I simply dont get hit

[south portal]

deleting crushers is also caring for the team fr fr

[keen timber]

also it's not like melee scum struggles with toughness regen lets be real here

[silver mural]

Especially when its so easy to make the knife a crit machine and use the 8 stacks per crit if you really like bleed

[low zenith]

So real for that

[ripe seal]

Melee scum gets tougnhness on melee hit, passive toughness from adrenaline, and toughness on kill

[keen timber]

i got stuck in a corner the other day vs like 6 ragers and the most damage i took was when i tried to revive someone and din't realise they were already getting resed

[amber sundial]

imagine a darktide where sources of toughness regen are actually limited

[arctic imp]

Well sometimes it is a build issue. You need the tools to deal with every issue, as many as you can deal with. Survival is secondary if you can’t kill something

[keen timber]

the game being hard? that's unthinkable

[exotic temple]

I’ve got a build I’m running, what can I do to refine this?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0866f00-dc3f-4fde-b0d6-3271fada8e75/singed?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[south portal]

This is the other thing about the knife which is that flesh tearer rewards your optimal gameplay with large bleed stack amounts where lacerate rewards suboptimal gameplay with a few bleed stacks

[keen timber]

no most of the time it is not.

[low zenith]

That's when you pull out 7 pounds of p o c k e t s a n d and reset the fight with zero complications

[arctic imp]

No most of the time yeah, you need to be good

[keen timber]

Builds matter, and do a lot, but even if you're a bad player, a good build wont save you

[low zenith]

^

[chrome storm]

yes, but also heavy stagger with crowbar and juggling them is helpful, like how ill pop a slug to stagger n overhead to save a friend

[arctic imp]

Definitely, I’m saying a good player still needs the right tools

[broken moss]

usually the same people that won't touch their tree without a reference guide on game lantern or YouTube or something to copy off of.

[chrome storm]

true

[ripe seal]

Crowbar heavies should be the most stagger of all the scum unique weapons

[low zenith]

It used to be MUCH worse back in the day... You remember the pre talent tree days?

[ripe seal]

Not sure how it competes with some of the general weapons we get but none of them get impact blessings

[broken moss]

nah by the time I joined the game it had the current style

[keen timber]

ok time to test a ranged setup then

[rotund agate]

I suggest you at least try kill-stacking adrenaline at least a few times with a melee weapon that's at least decent in mixed hordes. I myself use Rashad combat axe, but some other shared weapon can probably get the same positive results, as long as it doesn't have DoT stuff like bleed.

[low zenith]

Fair enough tbh

[ripe seal]

remember the beta when psykers could use the combat shotgun

[broken moss]

but with only 5 or 6 options I can see it getting pretty "meta-ish". that's how Vermintide is

[keen timber]

I've been using kill stacking already

feels good

i was just questioning if it were overkill

[chrome storm]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lFqGfFEXja-cyXaMl?invite=cr-MSxUdFEsNDY1MzcwOTI2&v=60

[keen timber]

RASHAD COMBAT AXE CHAD DETECTED

[chrome storm]

bonk bulid pog

[low zenith]

All I remember about the beta is no crushers, and the verifiable stereotype that people who wore the beta helmet are bad at the game.

[ripe seal]

I remember finding the combat shotgun way better for dealing with shooters than Bb in the beta

[broken moss]

shits ugly from the photos I've seen

[ripe seal]

I feel like adrenaline is already so easy to farm that the nodes for more stacks can be better spent on a million other things, even if you remove the downside

[keen timber]

combat shotties are goated tbh

[broken moss]

never actually seen it in game

[south portal]

Rashad is good i’m just so bored of it. It’s been bordering on the same roll with the same performance for years now with no changing. it’s a good melee it’s just so vanilla at this point

[chrome storm]

agrippina my beloved

[keen timber]

i like switching it up yeah, it gets dull if it's the only thing u use

[ripe seal]

especially since all you’re doing is refreshing the duration and not triggering any effects

[low zenith]

Out of the 400~ some odd times I've seen it in game? Only THREE of them were any good at ANYTHING other than taking up space and distracting enemies from me

[keen timber]

i think it's name changed now, but the kantreal bangs

[north saddle]

Two missions aborted due to server error back to back....

Blobshark at it again

[keen timber]

we love infinite cleave

[limber cradle]

Rashad imo one of the most boring melees in the entire game. Things DS tier.

[chrome storm]

i dislike the fire shotgun lol

[keen timber]

it's so fucking insanely good

[pale cliff]

I hate the chem grenade so much

[broken moss]

I think this is just the greater player base in general. the helmet just called extra attention to them

[south portal]

Scattershot no respite fire shotgun is fun

[silver mural]

I want to love combat shotgun but it never ends up being my fave weapons.

On arbites shotpistol is my beloved and on hive scum needler is my beloved

[pale cliff]

whenever someone uses the coom grenade my frames plummet to single digits

[chrome storm]

i dont like the fact it doesnt body tap like i thik it should for the ammo and accuracy lost

[ripe seal]

The fire shotgun never appealed to me, and I tried to special shot a bit and it seems way less good than I was lead to believe

[keen timber]

combat shottie is my go to on zealot

[keen timber]

infinite. cleave.

[chrome storm]

id rather have 130 shells and 1 tap gunner from 60m away

[broken moss]

like when I see someone with like 2000 levels on a class and they still face planting. i expected more from them.

[ripe seal]

The arbite shotguns is how I feel like the shotguns should handle

[manic wolf]

Weakspot bonus' are seemingly all like that, they're for want of a better word, bait damage boosts

[amber sundial]

wasnt that nerfed

[kind zodiac]

Someone confiscate that scum’s gun

[kind mist]

Fireshotgun is useful for stagger and [infinite] suppression

[keen timber]

was it?

it's been a few years for me

[south portal]

With no respite most combat shotguns two tap very consistently which is the same difference really, 0s deletion vs 0.3s deletion

[mental igloo]

yerah it was nerfed a while ago

[low zenith]

Maybe it is just a bias, but I always noted it was suspiciously often that one meant the other when no other cosmetic really gave me any insight to someone's skills.

[silver mural]

I thought it was helping me in psykanium but its prolly the 15 percent elite damage doing most of the work

[amber sundial]

its still pretty high cleave i think?

[south portal]

ya fire shotgun doesn’t infinite cleave anymore and hasn’t for some time

[low zenith]

Except ofc, back in the day if you saw an ogryn with the harness.... Because that was genuinely tough to get. They tended to be solid

[chrome storm]

got full bore and no respite. my slugs will 1 tap most things, and i use them for stagger and shield opening

once stacked the reg shot has enough dmg and range to 1 tap most things anyways

[amber sundial]

agri slugs are rediculous its funny

[south portal]

yeah I mean the precision special ammo will 1 tap most things I’m talking about the normal shots

[manic wolf]

Well it is still a damage boost, just not a very big one vs other options, just one of those things. Its never explained in game and is listed in such a way that states it how it would logically work, but alas

[dim moth]

exe vet with slug can one shot havoc 40 maulers with just full bore lmao

[charred nexus]

desperado doesn't make you count as "dodging" for ranged attacks, right?

[broken moss]

yea I feel it. I don't go in with too much in the way of expectation but when I see high level numbers I tend to expect that I'm going to be competing with them for kills and whatnot. ain't always the case lol

[dim moth]

so full bore+manstopper

[ripe seal]

It’s like the gibus in TF2, it’s a free hat everyone gets which means new players are more likely to wear it since they wouldn’t have brought it found anything new. At least with no cosmetics you come off as vanilla

[chrome storm]

lemme run into the psykanium rq

[chrome storm]

not running exec, got hsout since it goes with weapon specalist

shout

[broken moss]

makes you flat immune

[low zenith]

I mean, this was still happening like a year after release but that makes sense

[dim moth]

Weak

[south portal]

Someone earlier said it puts you in a dodge state

[ashen hamlet]

Can we expect new cosmetics next week?

[silver mural]

Its fine i think, if i drop it i can fit stim CD in my builld and having stimms more often is prolly gonna be a lot better of a damage boost

[charred nexus]

sadness. was hoping to combo it with the crit-on-dodge blessing

[broken moss]

I think that would be broken

[chrome storm]

mf?! its for team support, and i whip out the shotgun to drop specials and swap back

[broken moss]

but it's possible

[dim moth]

Pitiful you deny your shotgun its purpose

[broken moss]

why it would be broken

[manic wolf]

In the long run, yeah it will. Stim bonus damage is pretty good considering its a regenerating buff you might get to use 10 or more times a match

[ripe seal]

Shout weapon spec is my go to vet build since stealth never clicked for me

[chrome storm]

then elaborate, what am i missing

[south portal]

if it works the strong way it still wouldn’t be top 3 strongest talents in the game

[dim moth]

https://fximgur.com/a/M9IBRJV

[ripe seal]

I had fun with shredder backstabs but I would much rather be using shout

[broken moss]

I mean desperado and pickpocket already broken by design

[chrome storm]

That was sexy

Lemme make a clip rq

[broken moss]

but adding free crit just for existing in that state would be wild

[low zenith]

Time spent playing a game never equates to skill at said game. I pick up games -really- fast. Took me like 40 minutes to learn the ins and outs of Barotrauma, and it only took unlocking the supply pack in helldivers to immediately make me a god back when it first came out

[chrome storm]

Ok so curious

[dim moth]

oh yeah you learned the "ins and outs" of barotrauma?

[ashen hamlet]

Barotrauma mentioned

[chrome storm]

Hive scum shotgun?

[dim moth]

go wire a submarine

[chrome storm]

But he needs a mag fed shotgun

[low zenith]

Electrical wiring traps

Yeah

[chrome storm]

Not tube

[low zenith]

I learned that too

[south portal]

what, like, money?

[broken moss]

yea ppl can be new and still be decent. but if you actually got 2k levels on a character there's no excuse for being bad that's a LOT of time

[broken bear]

Ins and outs in 40 minutes? no it didn’t

The basics maybe

[limber cradle]

Once I hit level 10 in HD2 and got the autocannon it was over, I was soloing D9s(highest diff back when) like nothing

[ripe seal]

My game sense improves but my aim doesn’t

[broken bear]

Barotrauma knowledge is absurdly long to learn cuz you gotta learn electrical engineering skills for it 😭

[tender forge]

I saw a 2k hardstuck uprising player

I was in awe

He was a martyrdom vet

[broken moss]

aimlabs, young grasshopper

[chrome storm]

I feel this kinda,I'm almost legally blind and I am legally blind in my right eye,I be struggling

[manic wolf]

Time is not always equal to skill, but quite often it is. You spend more time doing anything and you invariably get better at said thing

[south portal]

I was playing with a lvl 1k vet yesterday and when he got downed in peak horde and died because the rest of us couldn’t path to him and save him, he started crashing out saying none of us protected him and that when was watching us when he was downed none of us looked at him

[tender forge]

And he used all those wounds

[broken moss]

bro what

[tender forge]

I was in awe

[foggy phoenix]

Who knew holding down left click would be so productive

[tender forge]

He downed 22 times

[broken moss]

don't you get more XP on higher levels?

[south portal]

literally level 1056 vet upset 3 other people didn’t protect him while tunnel vision sniping with his revolver lol

[low zenith]

Want me to? What do you want, a self locking series of doors for the hatch? A foam grenade bomb system to cheese the latcher with base coilguns? A series of lights to accurately show you which room is flooding?

[broken bear]

People can become mechanically great and do well but have the most god awful builds

[tender forge]

On uprising

[low zenith]

I learned that within those forty minutes

[dim moth]

hell yeah gamer

[south portal]

what can you learn with 400 minutes

[dim moth]

loved playing engineer after a while

[broken bear]

Doubt

[broken moss]

so at 2k he was really like 4k worth of game time

[placid drum]

Id honestly say im pretty average when it comes to skill if anything since i still make a few mistakes here and there during high havocs and aurics

[dim moth]

just to make dumb little quality of life changes to the submarine

and flashbangs on the airlock door

[manic wolf]

Oh yeah for sure, there are ways players can be good at something and still make themselves look bad, but generally if someone has spent 1000 hours playing a game, in most cases, they'll have learned to optimize thier shit at least to a decent level

[broken moss]

bro that's like kadeem from league. bro got like 10k hours in the game and hard stuck iron 4. watching him play is physically difficult to watch

[broken bear]

Me tinkering with the reactor to make it more efficient and forgetting to wire one wire… causing a meltdown that can’t be stopped.

[south portal]

the old adage is it takes 10,000 hours to master something. dude has 10% of mastering something down and is still in uprising

[broken bear]

I did fix it after we reloaded tho

Hella efficient reactor, took like one fuel rod an hour of gameplay

[tender forge]

Not 2k hours, 2k level

So he is at mastery

Likely

[limber cradle]

Barotrauma seems fun but like a game that reslly benefits from playing with friends

[south portal]

2k levels is probably like 4k hours

[tender forge]

Not on uprising

[south portal]

actually at uprising level xp it’s probably like 4x that lol

[tender forge]

Yup

I was in awe

[broken bear]

It’s fucking hilarious with friends (if they aren’t drunk and rage baiting you by threatening to plant a nuke)

[low zenith]

IDK tbh. By then I was already printing medals and had the whole crew in my multiplayer game fanatically loyal to me because I commanded the npcs who helped generate the medals to immediately follow me and would reward people calling out traitors with medals to game the traitor system.... There's not an awful lot you need to learn after you get the basics. Maybe the logistics of clearing out nests, or how to deal with the medical system (antibiotics, base bandages, and morphine lol)

[manic wolf]

Being hardstuck on Uprising... that is fucking rough

[south portal]

dude may actually have 10k hours now that I think about it

[limber cradle]

Johnny Silverhand ass friends you got there

[sturdy linden]

where are the chaxe gamers here.. I heard chaxe is goated on melee scum, which mark and what blessings?

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[broken bear]

SILVERHAND NEVER HAD A BOMB

[broken moss]

that's a lot more than 2k hours

[south portal]

I’ll be honest none of this made any sense to me as someone who doesn’t play that game but sounds neat

[limber cradle]

He likes to pretend he did tho

[chrome storm]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lFs7LyOhjvVEF1wIw?invite=cr-MSxNVkgsNDY1MzcwOTI2&v=21

[broken bear]

I got mad enough that I decided fuck it and wired the nuke I hid in a wall

[low zenith]

Silverhand canonically died at the door while Morgan Blackhand did all the work

He's a super unreliable narrator

[limber cradle]

Ik

[broken bear]

I think I wired it to whenever the sub moved 😭

[limber cradle]

I like, read the cyberpunk sourcebooks

[broken bear]

So one wire would cause the captain to blow the ship

[south portal]

Johnny actually told me he’s a super reliable narrator so uhhhh take that

[limber cradle]

The setting is one of my favorite tabletop settings

[south portal]

and thus the entire canon of english literature comes tumbling down

[broken bear]

Yea guys wdym he took the corpos down bro

[south portal]

people who don’t believe Johnny are so beta smh my head

[low zenith]

Suspend a crate of calcium or two near the top of the ballasts so they have to go down a little bit before it explodes and then weld them in because nobody carries their cutting tools on them lol

[manic wolf]

I so nearly called my Scum Johnny Silverballs

[sturdy linden]

there is NO WAY

[limber cradle]

Go play uprising then tell me that

I saw a dude in full blue gear with the 5500 penance helmet in malice crying because we ran ahead of him

[exotic pumice]

Question, what happens if i use Stimm Supply with no Stimm on the lab ?

[limber cradle]

He triggered a DH and screamed and died

[sturdy linden]

honestly I don't even see what my teammates are doing below heresy, even while levelling scum

[placid drum]

Man could somehow be handicap is my guess which is a thing

[sturdy linden]

it barely matters at all

[mighty belfry]

Or you can completely max out attack speed

[placid drum]

Or just really wants a casual time killing heretics which is fine

[sturdy linden]

that is actually insane, how is it even possible

[mighty belfry]

shivs with all possible attack speed buffs are absolutely nuts

[exotic pumice]

Would it inherit the properties of a medstimm/whatever i pickup on the ground or just do nothing ?

[tender forge]

It matters to me because I can farm the rescues penance when they eat shit and die

[south portal]

I like to believe people like this are just logging in on darktide on an Internet cafe guest account

[sturdy linden]

oh true, free penances

[low zenith]

Though the real fun is when you play without husk infection warning and sneakily buy a cultist robe and syringe gun to infect the doctor because he's the only one who'd have the hud glasses and when he dies, taking his card to steal all the calyxanide and antibiotics and hide somewhere while everyone else dies.

[sturdy linden]

"internet cafe"... now there's a term I haven't heard in a while

[south portal]

yeah I mean I live in california where they basically don’t exist but in Asia they’re popular I guess

[tender forge]

I played a game with a friend (level 1) where I got the least kills because I kept pushing the mobs into the blades of all of the newbies

[sturdy linden]

flashback to playing CS in internet cafes stinking of smoke and getting absolutely roflstomped

[chrome cloud]

im doing something wrong with Chemical Dependance penance. (stimmed and alchemist) Do i have to actually have it on for the full 1k/2k? because im not getting any progress on these.

[low zenith]

It updates when you lose the full stack

[mighty belfry]

I'm vaguely reminded of that one video of the Filipino internet Cafe that got flooded and everyone was still trying to finish their game

[placid drum]

Thats just total time

[sturdy linden]

wrong country for me but yeah I get the vibe

[chrome cloud]

ive ran a few missions now and i have had zero progress on the counts. what am i fucking up?

[low zenith]

Do yourself a favor and run the 4 stack talent so you can control when to drop it so you don't beat a mission without dropping the stack off because 90 seconds is too long

Because you're finishing the mission without updating it

[chrome cloud]

updating?

[low zenith]

It needs to drop from max stacks to update the number

[ashen hamlet]

Are we gonna get new hivescum cosmetics in next weeks rotation?

[tender forge]

I also think its supposed to stack

But is glitchy

[chrome jackal]

the cartel has barred me from the big stim pak

[tender forge]

Because I swear mine stacked

[chrome cloud]

so before the end of the mission i have to wait 60 seconds for it to even up date?

[tender forge]

This is why the thing glitches out btw

Like 70% sure

[low zenith]

No, get to max stacks and every now and again wait a full 60 seconds so it goes from 4 to 3, then reapply it. It'll shave some time off your total, but it will guarantee you get it

[manic wolf]

We have no idea thus far, though hopefully

[chrome cloud]

ill give this a shoot

[broken bear]

Who the fuck doesn’t carry a plasma cutter tf

[chrome cloud]

do you have a build that works will with this set up? im getting my ass beat atm

[low zenith]

Big trust

It works like that

[zenith fern]

@random shuttle You convinced me, Vraks desperado is that fun holy shit

[low zenith]

Personally I just ran whatever that could stack it every minute and occasionally let it go from 4 to 3.... Just kinda let it go sometime

[low zenith]

People who need to learn from the school of hard knocks lol. A lot of people want to have inventory space because 'what if I need it' and just take welding tools

[exotic pumice]

Nvm, figured it out, no true doctor Krakhead for me

[low zenith]

Won't catch me dead without a multitool, welding, plasma cutter, and either a europan handshake or boarding axe....

[tender forge]

Tried it in a boss yet?

[low zenith]

Unless I'm captain or sec.... The HMG and hand cannon -are- the melee weapons

[tender forge]

Melting bosses like prenerf zealot

[low zenith]

Common stopping power attribute w

[exotic pumice]

I wish the autoguns and shredder had Run'n'Gun right now :c

[tender forge]

I also love melting 2 crushers per mag

[low zenith]

Common crit w

[sturdy marsh]

Hey I know next to nothing about the chain axe. I tried it once and didn't like it before the buffs. Does it work well with a rampage build? What blessings and perks work good with it?

[zenith fern]

Not exactly same DPS as uzis I fear but still fun hitting the shots

[chrome storm]

woulldnt a chain weapon be counterintuitive to ramapage?

[fair oar]

Is the shredder autopistol any good? I remember a long time ago my friend bought the game, fired the shredder on a new char, said it was terrible and refunded

[exotic pumice]

The Pick Your Targets desperado modifier w/ Fury II puts in work

[manic wolf]

If I had a nickel for every time someone asked that question, I'd have two nickels, which isnt a lot, but its weird that its happened twice

[low zenith]

The shredder used to be the best weapon in the game what?

[compact vigil]

WHY DOES THAT LOOK LIKE SO MUCH FUN! whats the perks and blessings??

[tender forge]

Im not sure thats the vraks

[random shuttle]

[zenith fern]

it is