hivescum-class

[compact oyster]

i got that within the first 3 days i was so proud of myself

[spice cloud]

It is but you could just cheese it

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. When they first released Auric and the director would break and spawn an infinite train of something was hilarious

[rustic lava]

The time when vet reigned the supreme king

[vernal sluice]

and you could only choose one talent from each column? wew you guys had it really bad

[compact oyster]

the real flex however is having the hammer pendant

[glad latch]

Pox Breaker is good, I got that finished the other day.

[rough peak]

That's how vt2 is

[manic wolf]

Ahh yes, the golden nutsack

[random shuttle]

AND the talents were SHIT 😄

Remember that.

[limber cradle]

Tbh true survivor means literally nothing now ime

[rustic lava]

I remember when the beta was more stable than the release

[toxic dagger]

oh?

I still don't have true survivor LOL. played a decent amount of h40 but the stars never aligned.

[manic wolf]

I kinda think this event insignia is a bit of a flex at the moment

[limber cradle]

Ive had to clean so many true survivors up off the floor on mid range havocs and aurics

[spice cloud]

Yeah with the stealth zealot and a certain mission i dont remember

[manic wolf]

Because most people just seem to fold like wet paper when encountering more than one boss at a time, even some of them what have True Survivor seem to

[vernal sluice]

I should completely remove all frames and insignia from my characters and just use the reject title

[spice cloud]

I think dark communion

[glad latch]

Yeah which was weird. Somehow release product was worse then beta product

[toxic dagger]

a common sweatlord choice

[young herald]

iirc, FS literally realized their class system wasn't gonna work as it was like 3 months before launch, scrapped it all, and hastily cobbled together VT2 knock-off trees with what they'd gotten "working" and then set the team to making proper talent trees after launch

[toxic dagger]

these people are either REALLY good or total dogshit. no inbetween

[vernal sluice]

Damnit I thought I was onto something 😔

[random shuttle]

I adopted a new stance when it comes to my frame and insignia

just pick the latest ones I got

[limber cradle]

Use whatever looks coolest

[random shuttle]

The new mini campaign frame is goated

very purdy

[vernal sluice]

True ofc

I'm just joking

[spice cloud]

I like the skull hoarder thing

[mossy tapir]

I use the cool show one because I picked the show :D

[vernal sluice]

I'm like 15k kills away from poxbreaker 😄

[limber cradle]

Tbh I really like the grimoires frame and I find most people do not go out of their way to get it

[spice cloud]

And the havoc thingy with skulls

Skulls are nice

[calm aurora]

I only use twins hard mode insigna tbh

[compact oyster]

the mortis frame is the best

[manic wolf]

Do you trust random pugs to get a Grim to the end of a mission safely? I fuckin dont

[random shuttle]

I genuinely think lots of frames are real nice

Arby frames are kewl

[limber cradle]

Not normally tbh, no.

[compact oyster]

i like the thin frames they look alot better than the chunky ones

[young herald]

i just pick whatever fits the cosmetics my character is wearing tbh

[random shuttle]

wait need to make frames tier list

😄

[vernal sluice]

true

[toxic dagger]

I use tester frame and title

[rustic lava]

Also remember how fatshark dipped for holiday when the game was just broken

[young herald]

[spice cloud]

1.definetly skull hoarder

[calm aurora]

toxic elite user spotted

[spice cloud]

S tier

[rustic lava]

Instant team kick

[toxic dagger]

there's an S+ tier tester title that even fewer people have. closed alpha playtest crash dummy frame.

[random shuttle]

like this one I like but its pretty boring.

[toxic dagger]

unobtainable now

[manic wolf]

Thats another one that used to mean something, an then they nerfed the penance

[toxic dagger]

the best frame is ofc the dev frame

[spice cloud]

Its the one for 500000 kills

[toxic dagger]

still obtainable but you need to be hired by fatshark.

[young herald]

this is the perfect frame

[spice cloud]

The frame

[manic wolf]

Lol, they gave that to everyone at onepoint

[toxic dagger]

yeah I remember that bug

[vernal sluice]

I grinded hard for this frame 💯

[manic wolf]

Yeah, it used to be 1mil

[random shuttle]

I think this one is S-tier

[calm aurora]

there is perfection in simmetry

[young herald]

though atm i just use this

[spice cloud]

I havent reached 1 mil yet

Allmost

[drowsy relic]

I got to wear that one for a while

So did everyone

Funny bug

[calm aurora]

I got 1M 2 days before they changed that to 500k

[random shuttle]

Another S_tier

[manic wolf]

Yeah, I got it a week or so before. Super pain in the arse

[vernal sluice]

I love the golden class chevrons and the reaper frame the most

[glad latch]

Yeah, that sucked.

That's like walking in someones house, throwing trash on the ground and saying you'll clean it up in a month.

[calm aurora]

YEEEEP

[vernal sluice]

also the interrogator adept frame

[random shuttle]

I use this one on my scum

because Crack Shot

😏

[limber cradle]

The only frame I straight up distrust is the stim frame tbh

[spice cloud]

Aw hell naw its tha obese megalodon💀

[limber cradle]

The one you get super early

[vernal sluice]

this one, perfection

[vernal sluice]

oh yeah

[random shuttle]

Ah the OG 'pro player' frame

[vernal sluice]

stim frame, dedicated adept

[random shuttle]

Those were the times.

[limber cradle]

Fresh off the boat type of DT player

[candid flax]

A dodge slide is not being counted as a dodge which means that jittery's +40% dodge regen speed doesn't work if you last dodge slided, regardless of how many dodges you did before you slid

[spice cloud]

My brain made me forget the horrible times before itemization

[limber cradle]

The mission modifiers frame was pretty sweaty for awhile tbh

[vernal sluice]

Last season I had like 3 of those request to join my havoc team for a h21 game and I just unlisted my party and quit the game

[rustic lava]

And it took months of moaning to get some level of compensation and all we got was the 3 helms of fomo and the basic moebian armour cosmetics

[wind crane]

dump stat for needle pistol?

[torpid cloud]

this goes kinda hard on a full cd stimm

[random shuttle]

oh Hazard Hunter?

Yeah

[toxic dagger]

I was so critical of FS when that happened

[limber cradle]

I do literally the same exact fucking thing lmao

[manic wolf]

Dtier

[toxic dagger]

the lack of communication was so unprofessional

[limber cradle]

Yeah, hazard hunter

[vernal sluice]

also honorary mention to this one, love it on my psyker even though the penance condition is bugged

[spice cloud]

Yeah that ones nice too

[toxic dagger]

that's when the infamous "Hank, I'm gonna need you to chill out a little bit" incident happened lolol

[torpid cloud]

i like this one but that may just be my water cartel loyalty speaking

[wind crane]

damage dump stat? is that right?

[vernal sluice]

this one has a weird reputation from what I was told

[compact oyster]

i do think they need the burn when its deserved

[torpid cloud]

ye

[rustic lava]

Pearl clutching and this isn't cod

[candid flax]

take out nimble and jittery and I'd agree

[spice cloud]

God i cant bring myself do dump dmg its in my blood

[limber cradle]

God I remember this

[glad latch]

Yeah meanwhile xboxers got heaps of aquilas for no goddamn reason.

[toxic dagger]

I misremembered a little, it was in response to something Catfish posted when they did start communicating again

[vernal sluice]

I remember when I was new to the game and my friends were onboarding me and told me hazard hunter frame is used mainly by opinionated redditors that will crashout at you when the mission goes wrong

[torpid cloud]

literally my two favorite nodes
nuh uh

[trim wind]

Both cms were in the right there

[glad latch]

Yep, it was a massive dumpster fire.

[spice cloud]

[near mauve]

Catfish is an interesting name

[rustic lava]

14000 to be exact

[compact oyster]

almost all tide CMS have a shark for a discord name

[near mauve]

that's like 60$ worth of aquillas wtf

[near mauve]

yeah but this one is funy

[spice cloud]

Forreal why is it called catfish in english?

[candid flax]

nimble doesn't do anything meaningful, the class has the highest stamina regen in the game at 2 per sec. You really don't need more.
And jittery breaks if you dodge slide - something I got into the habit of doing p much with every slide.

[zealous ravine]

14000 pity aquilas cause its an xbox

[vernal sluice]

last but not least this one was my fave when I was still relatively new to the game

[rustic lava]

Considering steam players were basically unpaid play testers the pearl clutching was not in the right

[candid flax]

jittery only exists as a mandatory tax node if you insist on grabbing the ammo aura

[glad latch]

Oh look, I found one of the old DT memes I made a bit after launch.

[toxic dagger]

Catfish has been using that name for a long time, before she joined FS

[zealous ravine]

do they just find conveniently fish named people to CM

[toxic dagger]

iirc she thought it was funny to take it as a username as a woman on the internet or something to that effect

[near mauve]

good username

[torpid cloud]

nimble doesnt touch stamina regen
jittery is fun for more nimble dodges

[limber cradle]

I havent seen any of the CMs in here since before I vanished for like a year tbh

[compact oyster]

i really really liked using the psyker frame for a long time

[limber cradle]

Not that I really blame them

[toxic dagger]

quickpaw talks in here sometimes but he is CM for VT and DT simultaneously which is ... a choice, that they made

[candid flax]

wait mb nimble increases dodge range. Yeah like when does dodge range ever actually do anything

[toxic dagger]

homie gotta be super fucking busy.

[drowsy relic]

Damage only affects the damahe of the shot itself not the toxin

The bullet does like 35 damage

[torpid cloud]

feels good

[compact oyster]

i mean

[spice cloud]

How does that look like a cat?

[glad latch]

Oh, another one I made apparently

[candid flax]

having 2 more talent points also feels good

[rustic lava]

Didn't he retire officially

[torpid cloud]

it dont but it does look funny

[limber cradle]

Tbh dude would you look in genchat and go "yeah I'd interact with these people" as a CM?

[toxic dagger]

no?

[drowsy relic]

Strawhat used to tbf

[toxic dagger]

yes

the usual crowd are fun

I talk to them all the time

[spice cloud]

It do be a funny phish

[zealous ravine]

yeah but strawhat turned to dust due to it...

[limber cradle]

Braver than I am

[near mauve]

general isnt all that bad they just bcome weird for some reason

[toxic dagger]

genchat is a cesspool when Something Happens

[compact oyster]

no lmao

[toxic dagger]

but it's chill during downtime

[drowsy relic]

I prefer theory crafting under the iron fist of dilara

[manic wolf]

Its a toilet and its always been a toilet

[rustic lava]

Nevermind it was strawhat I was thinking about

[astral coral]

Do the mkIII have faster light attacks than the mkI shivs?

[vernal sluice]

as a paid job? yes

[toxic dagger]

they should make me a CM, I'll talk in genchat all day

I won't know anything and can't answer any questions because I'm not actually in the office attending meetings

[candid flax]

depends on the pay 😂

[toxic dagger]

but I'll be around

will that make people happy?

[limber cradle]

No

[vernal sluice]

I've worked customer service for a mid telecom company this would be an improvement

[toxic dagger]

oh I'm sorry I thought people wanted the CMs to interact with the community instead of doing the rest of their jobs

[compact oyster]

i think a big turnoff is having to move to sweden as a fatshark CM

[vernal sluice]

I'm not a people person however

[toxic dagger]

are you implying people don't know what they want??

[compact oyster]

you cant do it remotely

[toxic dagger]

that's crazy. I never would've guessed.

[random shuttle]

Hank want to be CM?

[zealous ravine]

make me a fatsark dev i'd remove havoc derank steal all ram from their pcs and quit

[random shuttle]

Chaos Messanger!?

HERETIC

[compact oyster]

focus has been extremely lucky with its CMS

[near mauve]

tbh u dont want people getting used to talking to the CMs so much
sm2 discord pings their CM for no reason and its so fkn funny

[limber cradle]

I'm implying they're never happy, idk if they know what they want tbf

[candid flax]

that's what blizzard said when they announced diablo on mobile

[compact oyster]

hylia is such a cool CM

[toxic dagger]

I remember the CMs being really fun and cool ppl when I hung out in the SM2 server before release yeah

[glad latch]

Weird they don't allow it remotely.

[near mauve]

i have no idea how she can handle getting pinged 10000 a day

[limber cradle]

If i worked for fatshark I'd make plasma M1s blow you up at 100 percent heat instead of auto cooling off again

[compact oyster]

they also dont leave after like 6 months

[obsidian crown]

Moderation here is goated, ngl. Not heavy handed. I literally got banned out of sm2 discord for saying the community was illiterate because they couldn’t read answers that were being spammed. There was a day where people couldn’t login the game because of AWS being down so people said “aws is down” and people would still keep asking. So I said community was illiterate. Next day, banned. Mod DM’ed me that’s why. And I’m like ok. Wow.

[compact oyster]

she has the server on mute until updates probably

[random shuttle]

yeah mods here are nice

[near mauve]

nah she responds

i think

[random shuttle]

this discord is nice

I... I love you guys

[toxic dagger]

ok but generally speaking neither do FS CMs

[random shuttle]

[crude robin]

I'd say im doing decent

[toxic dagger]

hedge and aqshy were with the company for YEARS

[near mauve]

ive seen her respond bunch of times

[zealous ravine]

99% of twitch chat gamers quit spamming "!drop" 1 second before getting 100000 million aquilas

[toxic dagger]

catfish did it for 1+ year, strawhat for 1+ year

[tender marten]

i miss hedge

[limber cradle]

Sorry, I am incapable of reciprocating affection

[toxic dagger]

we only had a couple of short stints.

quickpaw also been around for years

[obsidian crown]

Funny thing is like 95% of that community hates that mod. because he power trips too much

[compact oyster]

ive only been here since darktide dropped

[toxic dagger]

I love you too buddy

[astral coral]

Do the MKIII shivs have faster light attacks compared to the MKI counterpart?

[rustic lava]

I was banned permanently from the darktide discord and the mod at the time falsely claimed I was being a racist and it was only this year I got it reverted

[near mauve]

this server is moderated like a private server (minus allowing slurs) which is goated

[toxic dagger]

can't get it right every time.

[glad latch]

SM2 mods sound like snowflakes tbh

[near mauve]

its just 1 mod in sm2

[obsidian crown]

Just one guy. Tbh. It’s being ruined by 1 guy.

[near mauve]

who shall not be named

[compact oyster]

he forgot to mention that he was constantly being hostile to people

[torpid cloud]

this on dependency desperado?

[obsidian crown]

Other mods hella chill.

[fast surge]

Except when they made zealot chat slowmode, we are the most sane and rational chat

[near mauve]

hell one of the mods is a shitposter

bamurai or something

[toxic dagger]

zealot chat deserved everything it got

and worse

[glad latch]

rip

[compact oyster]

bamurai is chill

[limber cradle]

Do you remember the zealot v og chat wars

[toxic dagger]

ofc

good times

[zealous ravine]

every time i look into #zealot-class they arent even talking about darktide

[limber cradle]

Classic

[candid flax]

zealot chat went to shit ngl 🙁

[obsidian crown]

Funny thing is another mod was spamming monkey typing images implying the people asking questions are low IQ monkeys in that same convo I said they were illiterate.

[manic wolf]

Let us not forget the absolute shit-show that was Vet chat during the first year ¬.¬

[near mauve]

its general 2

[zealous ravine]

basically

[astral coral]

I enjoy the attack speed with reduced recoil on the left

[toxic dagger]

well, looking back on it, ogryn chat was cliquey in ways that were not so great sometimes in the early 2023 content drought

[near mauve]

bro just hates you

straight up

[glad latch]

or DRG-Memes

[obsidian crown]

Yeah he does.

[toxic dagger]

I blame Choco (not chocob the youtuber, a German guy named Choco)

[pallid quail]

zealot chat is a necessary evil unfortunately. its like a containment zone

[limber cradle]

Tbh I completely agree with you.

[torpid cloud]

should i just go full viscosity xD

[toxic dagger]

we were friends with him but looking back he was just a dick. lol.

[candid flax]

i used to only talk in zealot chat but then everything just kinda went to shit

[limber cradle]

I like zealot chat but tbh a lot of the OG users are gone now.

[gray wharf]

Man I want to love nimble but I am tired of being shredded by gunners

[manic wolf]

Yes, he was. I realised that I think sooner than most. Dude was a fuckin turd

[toxic dagger]

I was new to the game and eager to be part of the "cool ogryn club" so I wasn't as critical as I should have been

[astral coral]

I mean you get % cd from killing things

[compact oyster]

the people banned here just go to the modding server

[gray wharf]

When it works

[candid flax]

at least cole is still here but he's scum now 😂

[torpid cloud]

fair point

[glad latch]

Remember when this was just a billion DRG/dwarf memes for no fucking reason other then it was funny to spam dwarf memes.

[manic wolf]

I left another community because the dude got on my fucking tits so much

[toxic dagger]

rip tinyangrycrab. so sad he died in the great nz deletion incident of 2024

[near mauve]

this game has many closed communities for some reason lmao

[rustic lava]

I remember there being a Troll king the first year and would always pull the most wild shit, stir up everyone and spam all the top mods but he was a cool guy over all

[compact oyster]

the what

[toxic dagger]

I spent some time in some of them and I think reginald's is the only one I can stand

[limber cradle]

Psyker chat feels like it's own ecosystem sometimes tbh

[tender marten]

I actually miss Darcy lmao

[limber cradle]

You say that till Darcy is here

[near mauve]

yeah psyker chat is also the one that talks about the game the most probs

[toxic dagger]

Darcy's demise will never cease to make me laugh

[trim wind]

Something bad happened

[astral canyon]

Who

[toxic dagger]

Darcy became convinced that Fireant was deliberately orchestrating Veteran nerfs as a tester

[main trellis]

Get rending; srsly 75s goes very fast down with sample collector

[astral coral]

Do the MKIII shivs have faster light attacks compared to the MKI counterpart?

[near mauve]

they all just give me the "get a job" vibe idk

[toxic dagger]

and started a witchhunt

[trim wind]

Maybe hitler

[toxic dagger]

so they got banned

[tender marten]

Nah darcy was funny af

[limber cradle]

Either the world's greatest ragebaiter or an actual moron

[toxic dagger]

and Fireant was like "wait who?"

so fucking funny

[astral canyon]

Lmao

[candid flax]

i've genuinely never checked veteran chat it scares me

[manic wolf]

It was the latter

[tender marten]

She was pretty fucken good at trolling

[rustic lava]

Was there any truth to it as the vet got shafted for a long time

[toxic dagger]

not at all. Fireant doesn't give a shit about Vet.

[vernal sluice]

before hivescum released I barely if ever poked my head out of psyker chat

[near mauve]

vet chat is prolly the most normal? its just numbers and build crafting and imperial guard cosplays

[vernal sluice]

psyker chat was my gen chat

[pallid quail]

all this nostalgia is making me miss dorn

[toxic dagger]

Vet got shafted by FS themselves

testers had very little to do with it

[limber cradle]

Genuinely I don't think i miss any classic DTcord users

[pallid quail]

he taught me ogryn when i was a fresh lvl 30

[toxic dagger]

true, I'm still here. there's no need to miss me.

[dim moth]

yes

[trim wind]

Darcy could be funny, as long as she wasn't talking about vet, or saying wierdly islamophobic stuff to mal

[pallid quail]

and to always destroy grims

[gray wharf]

As is tradition

[rustic lava]

Then what group of testers were actively letting the vet just suffer

[zealous ravine]

power falchion lmao

[grand jewel]

skill issue

[limber cradle]

Well like, the ones who got banned mostly did for a good reason ime.

[obsidian crown]

You would have to try really hard to get banned from here

So if they’re banned, prolly fair tbh yeah

[winter tusk]

Nobody can miss miss me, im like the plague, you cant get rid of me

[azure mist]

When the power weapon needs rending to do anything remotely noticeable against armor

[candid flax]

yeah nah yeah you really got to have fucked things up if you got banned from dtcord lmao

[near mauve]

i need to watch some ogryn tips
the class is so faceroll everything lmao to the point where i feel like i never actually learned it but surely there's things to learn besides wack everything

[zealous ravine]

relic blade but smol

[grand jewel]

probably have to be dropping hard Rs which is deserved lol

[dim moth]

nuh uh I just need to act like a Krieg enjoyer or a Black Templar player to get banned

[toxic dagger]

nobody? the current version of the tree was made by testers. remember how FS explained in the devblog how they tried out a different keystone concept and it didn't work out? that's how that happened. Vet was the only one where whole concepts had to be scrapped entirely so the class was 0-1 behind when patch 13 came out

then it just took a while to play catch up

[dim moth]

curious about these old garbage keystones

[winter tusk]

Wasn't there some clueless combat director to blame a lot

[dim moth]

what could they have been

[limber cradle]

Vet tree still feels meh in some spots tbh

The whole middle section for instance

[candid flax]

nobody ran keystones as a vet

[pallid quail]

there were only like 5 nodes ...

[grand jewel]

better than it was, I don't think any tree is perfect either

[obsidian crown]

Yeah. A little toxicity is fine. It’s inevitable in communities like these. But there’s lines you don’t cross. Calling someone a moron or dumbass is fine. But slurs and hard R’s, etc. that’s different

[tender marten]

They were weapon specific apparently.

[limber cradle]

I think Scum tree is pretty fuckin good barring the stuff that is actually broken

[toxic dagger]

weapon specialisation keystones. so something that specifically made using the bolter better and another for psword and another for... uhhhhh I don't remember. it was both absurdly limiting in its application and extremely hard to balance, since it either made those weapons OP (bad) or it they were mandatory to make those weapons perform well (worse)

[limber cradle]

I don't look at sections of it and go "oh thats literally just tax'

[candid flax]

back in the early days zealot chat was full of femboys

can we bring back those days

[gray wharf]

The anti-synergies people have pointed out with toxin could use a look, assuming they're not bugs

[toxic dagger]

I know we have a keystone called weapon specialisation but that's not what I mean.

[rustic lava]

I feel the vet suffered from a loss of identity where they went from the ranged class to the Jack of all trades class

[dim moth]

jesus christ what were they thinking

[toxic dagger]

yes it was not good. LOL

[main trellis]

What if a genuine R calls another one a R; for identification purposes

[winter tusk]

When did it change

[tender marten]

That's how game design goes sometimes.

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[toxic dagger]

I think some other fundamental mistakes were made at the time that they never corrected, like giving both zealot and vet invis

[grand jewel]

alot of it is more like "well shit I have to give this up for this, I guess ill test it and see how much I miss it" because thats what ive been doing, but there is plenty of weirdly placed nodes, some other ones I don't love pathing through

[toxic dagger]

testers were not enthousiastic about that

[candid flax]

its now just a dumpster and not the nice kind

[toxic dagger]

but no take backsies, lotta work was already done

[main trellis]

GOTTEM

[limber cradle]

I love calling people goobers tbh, cuts deep

[main trellis]

[grand jewel]

the century when infiltrate is good or useful will be a glorious one

[obsidian crown]

Dingus is mine

[brittle ferry]

counterpoint, every class should get invis, ESPECIALLY the ogryn, stealth ogryn when?

[zealous ravine]

having 2 stealth abilities was a massive mistake lmao

at least rework one into chaining backstabs or something

[pallid quail]

all the chuds got yeeted so the ecosystem got out of equilibrium and there was like a population spiral

[brittle ferry]

also gotta hit them with that "you silly goose"

[main trellis]

I love using ‚dogshit’

[winter tusk]

Zealot chat isn't that toxic, lot of people just aren't very helpful when people actually have questions about the class lol

[limber cradle]

I think the only pathing I dislike in scum tree is Vultures pathing but thats cause Hypercrit breaks so much shit rn

[main trellis]

[limber cradle]

I've described TL as the biggest bag of wet dogshit this community has before iirc, so yeah that ones aight

[near mauve]

its just the case of being John Something class
vet is the John Darktide of the game

[candid flax]

yeah zlt chat nowadays you get actively ignored for talking about the game

[grand jewel]

they're brainrotted, not nessesarily toxic lol

[candid flax]

interfering the meme chat with gameplay

[zealous ravine]

vet just lacks actually cool stuf

[hot moth]

question: how does chembox interact with the +toughness on stim choice

[grand jewel]

better off asking in another chat about zealot if you actually want answers

[shut tapir]

coming back after a long time; how is hivescums build diversity? debating getting it just to have some grinding

[limber cradle]

Tbh I started playing zealot literally just to answer peoples questions when they came up in that chat

[rustic lava]

You know what we need more?
The psyker ogryn!
@toxic dagger make psyker ogryn happen as a future dlc class

[brittle ferry]

vet is literally just guy with gun. Nothing is really defining with it

[hot moth]

since the chembox is a persistent aura, but the +toughness is presumably an instant gain

[grand jewel]

[candid flax]

i'd ask vet chat, bc i don't know if psyker chat is capable of thinking independantly

[brittle ferry]

i agree, stealth psyker ogryn when?

[winter tusk]

I usually try to answer people's questions but im not much for numbers and specifics, knife go poke poke haha

[naive imp]

someones gotta be the guy with a gun

[zealous ravine]

vet the lass with da power sword

[brittle ferry]

psyker chat is ironically, a hivemind

[hot moth]

do you only get the benefit once? do you get +50 toughness every time you walk in and out of it (assuming you didn't pick up the "touching stim gives you beneifts for 15 seconds")? Do you get nothing?

[candid flax]

from what i'ves een of psyker chat everyone just follows a meta defined by 1 person

[near mauve]

bit harsh tbh
vet is an imperial guardsman good with guns and good ol stabby stab weapons

[zealous ravine]

real

[limber cradle]

For scum chat

[brittle ferry]

LETS GO I FUCKING LOVE TRAINS AND DOGS

[rustic lava]

Doesn't work with stimm box

[toxic dagger]

Here's the shakedown about testing.

A lot of testers are really experienced and creative players with a lot of good ideas, but they don't decide how Fatshark allocates its manpower so those ideas can only be acted upon when management decides.

But testers aren't professional game developers and balancing something correctly is hard so sometimes ideas get implemented but then they're unbalanced and it takes ages to course correct because Fatshark hates nerfing things.

And sometimes Fatshark has the time and the manpower but they decide to do what they want and not what the testers want and we don't get a say.

So basically it's never the testers fault if something sucks, but we deserve all the credit when something we did is good.

[abstract onyx]

How good is the debuffer build in this vid https://youtu.be/UBLEWMsBRsQ?si=MMLhj4HgsoWvQ7o7 ?

[candid flax]

these builds are boring

[grand jewel]

vet isn't much different, just a bunch of sheep with bath, Psyker chat guide is "made" by one person but put together by multiple @near relic being that lad

[candid flax]

they're all running the least fun weapon

which is bonesaw

[azure mist]

I’d argue Veteran is technically the iconic Hybrid class of the game that demands equal gun and melee play over the other classes

[winter tusk]

Nah psyker chat will give you a build for whatever you ask mostly, they will just also steer you away from less optimal things. Psyker chat is pretty decent about build discussion and whatnot usually

[zealous ravine]

malice tester

[vernal sluice]

my 2 cents are that the vet tree is the best it's ever been and all three branches of the tree feel usable now

[near mauve]

so what you're saying management is ass

[brittle ferry]

note to self, blame the testers, but then give them cookies and throw bricks through fatsharks carburators.

[unreal stirrup]

yeah its fucking fatshark

[candid flax]

i stopped listening to psyker chat when they tried talking me out of the bistol

[real dew]

I feel I'm alone in really hating the bonesaw attack angles

[zealous ravine]

my 2 cents are that smoke nades and stealth could both be fully replaced

[unreal stirrup]

smoke isn't replaceable

[vernal sluice]

my favourite build used to be infiltrate with frag grenades but it was depressing to play because even keystoneless the point tax on it was just crushing

[winter tusk]

Probably just because things like recon las and shit are brainless broken with scriers and shit

[naive imp]

vet tree is pretty good right now, i just dont like infiltrate

[dim moth]

you can take my smokes from my dead body

[limber cradle]

I stopped listening to psyker chat when I realized I can slap SG+DD on basicslly whatever and force it to work cause of the insane scaling offered

[dim moth]

objectively superior psyker bubble

[vernal sluice]

no 😠

[azure mist]

I’m of the opinion smokes should stay

[hot moth]

light1<->heavy 2 is perfectly fine, just diagonal enough to make snipping heads easier, not vertical enough to make it infuriating to hordeclear with

[unreal stirrup]

fire though

[zealous ravine]

smoke enjoyers? 😨

[brittle ferry]

i wish we had a proper sniper rifle, like, the helbore is close, but its iron sights cause me so much distress

[near mauve]

also saying it doesnt have anything special is goofy when voc is the most iconic ult in the game

[naive imp]

what, does psyker chat argue that you have to use a specific weapon with sg+dd

[grand jewel]

smokes are great

[dim moth]

kill him

[vernal sluice]

I'm an infiltrate enjoyer and always will be

[candid flax]

ig you've not played havoc then

[grand jewel]

no

[azure mist]

Infiltrate is bad and should be culled or at least given something to exist in its current state

[limber cradle]

Smoke nade unironically good, id like to see vet stealth changed to bardin stealth tho so it's not so 1:1 with zealot stealth

[toxic dagger]

I wouldn't go that far personally, I don't sit in on those meetings so I don't know why and how their decisionmaking happens.

But an objective outcome-based analysis especially regarding the game's release state does suggest that the game was poorly managed at the time.

I think they do okay now, the game is a lot better and we have a lot of cool stuff so 🤷‍♂️

[real dew]

Yeah I want my ogryn/eviscerator style flat horizontals

[zealous ravine]

idk they're eepy

[winter tusk]

Yeah kinda. But for a lot of the staff builds using shriek with warp siphon is still better technically. Clearing a room of mixed horde with 1 button from soulblaze really is unbalanced as fuck.

[grand jewel]

you can get recommendations but nobody has ever said you can only use one or two weapons with SG+DD when ive looked in there

[real dew]

Crowbar does flat horizontal too

[candid flax]

smoke nades in a preconstructed team goes huge

[unreal stirrup]

there will alway be 1 mfs

[limber cradle]

Tbh? I only like using FGS. There's no staff i think has "fun gameplay"

[abstract onyx]

my brain lacks the information filter most people have so overstimuli can become a problem so i take bboring but consistent over high risk and high reward the later often ends up with me dead

[winter tusk]

Sg+dd is good with basically any melee/firearm, still decent with a lot of the staves

[zealous ravine]

staves all have massive issues

[near mauve]

yeah i started when unlock and loaded dropped and i'd say the game is doing fine
they're sometimes slow with responses and patching things but generally the content drops are actually good
seems like i missed most of the funny bullshit on release

[brittle ferry]

what if we gave hivescum a new keystone that makes them believe like Orks. Make it a gambling ability, you roll a dice and shit happens. its a d100

[vernal sluice]

gaze and disrupt destiny? yeah they are VERY weapon agnostic

run whatever dogshit you want with those

[toxic dagger]

Yeah you did. Unlocked was the real 1.0

[hot moth]

did they change how infiltrates -90% threat node works, because last time I checked that one let you get away with murder, still

[winter tusk]

Staff gameplay is a lot more fun if you dont play a backline psyker, I usually end up playing staff builds just as aggressively as melee usually

[pallid quail]

this but unironically

[grand jewel]

I don't mind playing inferno simply because: https://youtu.be/GkHd1d_UVOE?si=HmH2vwLFTj7_fs62

[candid flax]

agreege

[tender marten]

They better not buff Sciers + DD again istg

[limber cradle]

Inferno bores me to tears tbh.

[vernal sluice]

they just baked in the sneak attack subnode into base

[grand jewel]

ya

[grand jewel]

see where i said "I"

I know alot hate it, and fair enough

[limber cradle]

My favorite staff was whichever one threw orbs and got a shitton of cleave for hitting headshots

[hot moth]

spreading fire was a mistake

[grand jewel]

I have more fun playing vet so I usually do

[naive imp]

voidstrike

[hot moth]

i'm of the opinion it just straight needs to be removed

[naive imp]

the ball staff

[grand jewel]

but if we need a psyker im just gonna set the planet on fire

[abstract onyx]

i kinda wish the there was a toxin build that isnt melee

[neon fern]

the conclusion should always be, behead all psykers

[azure mist]

No because if everyone is dead and you use that enemies will still track you afterwards

[hot moth]

there's no good way to balance it, it's useless on lower difficulties and insanely OP on higher difficulties

[zealous ravine]

inferno staff is definitely uh gameplay probably i think

[azure mist]

“Gameplay”

[pallid quail]

yea but ur wrong and hate fun

[hot moth]

yeah, but it's fucking funny to aggro dump onto your team and it lets you do objectives in complete peace

[winter tusk]

Purg is fine, its very baseline indeed. I think its fine overall, a lot of people dont use enough weapon variety, and people stick with the same things too long. Things like some of the staves are better in small doses then switching up imo.

[azure mist]

Cookie Clicker

[zealous ravine]

yeah theres definitely some gameplay if you look hard enough

[azure mist]

You meant to say cookie clicker

[compact oyster]

Once in a blue moon a dev pops into the server

[zealous ravine]

i mean i like cookie clicker more than inferno staff

so nope

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/fuego-elmo-hot-gif-18075814547737563092

[brittle ferry]

hey since psyker chat is dead. Is there a way i can have an actually good palpatine build? It does not need to be havoc capable

[naive imp]

inferno is not fun

[grand jewel]

no

[vernal sluice]

I like using inferno when I feel I'm shit at the game and then I feel better about myself again

[neon fern]

curbstomp all psykers

[grand jewel]

smite and good are not together

[azure mist]

Dear god please no more smykers

[hot moth]

inferno staff is fun for people who like counting change

[naive imp]

dont bring that fucking copypasta in here

[zealous ravine]

cookie clicker is kinda crazy actually

[neon fern]

generational acts of violence on psykers

[azure mist]

Barreling will continue till Smyker morale decreases

[grand jewel]

smykers are even worse than inferno users

[pearl flame]

what? you don't appreciate smykers with electro staff that aggro everything?

[winter tusk]

See if this was psyker chat someone would be linking a smite build immediately

[naive imp]

psyker chat is asleep right now

[hot moth]

there's goofiness you can do with micromanaging your burn stack counts, especially with the mental tracking if you don't have a mod for UI

[leaden fable]

The pinned psyker build bonanza document in psyker chat has a section on smite including a warning on why you probably wouldn't want to use it

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-sleep-goodnight-meme-goodnight-bro-minecraft-gif-21455562

Pskyer chat

[vernal sluice]

that being said it can be pretty fucking obnoxious when an inferno psyker is pocketing you at all times and your screen just permanently turns white

[reef spoke]

Are the stub pistols any good? The lack of Crit bonus makes me concerned

[naive imp]

when chat isnt moving a million messages a second, its a dead chat

[vernal sluice]

so I try not to play inferno too often

[zealous ravine]

psyker chat too busy stabbing people with the awesome greatsword

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/death-palpatine-gif-13920755

[zealous ravine]

clearly hive scum is f tier cause no greatsword

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/elf-gif-25581995

[limber cradle]

Psyker is straight up visual pollution the class

[neon fern]

too busy being the strongest class in game with minimal effort

[manic wolf]

Everyone who doesnt play Psyker seems to hate Psyker. It is the 40k way

[naive imp]

yeah wheres my fucking two handed bonesaw

[brittle ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-20581738

[winter tusk]

I can kill every special and gunner in 1-2 shots while using the middle tree melee build. Its not meant for armor

[grand jewel]

psyker should get chem grenades

[zealous ravine]

2 handed bonesaw and this class would INSTANTLY become s++ tier

[grand jewel]

[limber cradle]

I play psyker and I still hate psyker

[compact oyster]

I enjoy playing psyker alot

[vernal sluice]

trauma users probably the #1 cause of toughness starvation pre hivescum as well

[pearl flame]

stub pistols are good for plapping down unarmored

[neon fern]

ur getting boiled

[naive imp]

stimm crate should block all projectiles because uh... they overdose

[limber cradle]

Psyker was my 2nd go to class before scum drop

[manic wolf]

On your self-loathing arc huh? My condolences

[vernal sluice]

I actually love psyker I just wish it was less of a burden towards other players

[limber cradle]

Now its Scum>Vet>Psyker

[reef spoke]

Ok c: I'll give them a go. Hopefully Fatshark fixes them eventually

[dim moth]

anyways attack speed difference between knife marks

[compact oyster]

What you dont know

Is that i play melee psyker

[winter tusk]

Need to take the agripinaa hipfire revolver redpill

[neon fern]

ur still getting boiled

[naive imp]

so?

melee psyker is still amazing

[candid flax]

Psyker>Vet>Zealot>Scum imo.

[zealous ravine]

greatsword the only psyker build

[naive imp]

i play it and its great

[limber cradle]

Tbf man when I play psyker i exclusively use FGS which I find most psykers do not

[limber cradle]

I'm not playing a space wizard to use a gun

[winter tusk]

You should

[reef spoke]

Ogryn on suicide watch 😔

[vernal sluice]

I have a hard time readjusting to fgs after switching off scum now 🥴

[neon fern]

but ig it's slightly better than having someone on ur team with staff not letting you interact with anything

[naive imp]

i play space wizard because it has a huge fucking sword

[winter tusk]

2-3 shot to the head on carapace with scriers gaze, feels real good

[candid flax]

Nah ogryn is probably a good tie with scum

[zealous ravine]

hive scum needed heavy weapon mk variants or smth lmao

[manic wolf]

Ogryns are too stupid to be depressed

[candid flax]

arbi on suicide watch ngl

[limber cradle]

Im aware of how good it is

[naive imp]

hive scum should have a shiv taped to a broomstick

[neon fern]

but even a psyker running fgs will ruin ur fun with the special

[reef spoke]

Famine UwU

[vernal sluice]

hive scum should get that trash launcher from fallout

[winter tusk]

Youre still using space wizard sword

[reef spoke]

Ogryn with autocannon when?

[lapis raft]

first is mk3?

[zealous ravine]

impossible to be sad when using the funny greatsword

[glad latch]

Ignorance is bliss ah moment

[lapis raft]

oh actually im just blind xd

[limber cradle]

FGS is legit the entire reason I play Psyker

[lapis raft]

too used to not having ui on bottom right

[naive imp]

when will they bring back spears

[neon fern]

fgs makes me sad when i'm not the one using it

[brittle ferry]

the fact that hive scum doesnt have a base ball bat as a 2 handed weapon is criminal

[zealous ravine]

its true

[manic wolf]

Lmao, kinda hard to be depressed when your main concern is stealing rations off the nearest Zealot

[zealous ravine]

wheres my 2 handers at

[leaden fable]

Would be hilarious to see the people struggling with mobile melee try to survive with heavy slow melee

[glad latch]

Next year hopefully. We need spears and other polearms.

[naive imp]

ive never struggled to find more enemies with an fgs psyker

[winter tusk]

Might have more reasons if you expanded your horizons

[pearl flame]

with Ratclick 3

[abstract onyx]

are support or debuffer builds wroth considering on scum?

[naive imp]

please

[zealous ravine]

the melees already have latch attacks so a heavy one wouldnt be anything too crazy imo

[naive imp]

i need space game spears

[zealous ravine]

as long as i get to do funny dmg numbers on a 2 hander im joyous

[dim moth]

faster one is Mk3 so 2nd

you can tell because of the icon in the bottom right

[compact oyster]

I just wish scum got a chain glaive

[main trellis]

Exeptions are present

[naive imp]

as long as i get to slide-charge an enormous thrust i would be happy

[leaden fable]

That's true

[lapis raft]

yea realized after, not used to seeing regular ui anymore :d

[abstract onyx]

dual toxin pistols would be neat

[naive imp]

i want to drive my weapon deep inside of the chaos spawn

[naive imp]

[leaden fable]

Latch probably more dangerous than slow melee in general

[brittle ferry]

give me big club

[zealous ravine]

kinda sad hive scum doesnt have any truly s tier fun wise melees

[pearl flame]

had an odd bug earlier where my stim crate would stay at 1600s cd, anyone else?

[limber cradle]

Idk, I love the Shivs

[manic wolf]

There was a time you couldnt dodge out of latch attacks. It was all commit or die

[naive imp]

does 40k have baseball

[brittle ferry]

we're going to see weapon packs for the new classes, they're gonna be $7.99

[naive imp]

shivs are surprisingly fun

[zealous ravine]

i'd buy it

[naive imp]

nah nah that was the vermintide model

[zealous ravine]

shivs would give me carpal tunnel

[brittle ferry]

we'll see it here

[zealous ravine]

entire carp in yo wrist

[manic wolf]

Shiv I would put at the bottom of S-tier. It doesnt struggle into any armour type, they have a neat special and are very mobile

[neon fern]

shivs best unique melee for scum

[pallid quail]

yea i had that on vet where my ability cd was like 10 minutes but its just a display bug

[brittle ferry]

they're also gonna give us squats one day. I will be a bardin stand

[dim moth]

numeric UI bug since the game considers you ever entering the placing animation as "using" the ability

[vernal sluice]

true shivs are fun but they're a tier at best

[pearl flame]

it wouldnt' deploy though

[dim moth]

which is what numeric UI checks for to update the UI

[naive imp]

i need a big fucking arrow pointing to my throwing shivs counter so i can remember to use them

[pallid quail]

i was like bro i think they overnerfed vet cdr lol

[zealous ravine]

they're defo very strong i just dont think they're quite as fun as some other melees

[dim moth]

but you haven't used it and it's still off cooldown unless the crate is actually put on the ground

[grand jewel]

[pallid quail]

oh damn that sucks bro

[manic wolf]

Hard to measure tier based on fun, but yeah thats fair enough

[vernal sluice]

Warhammer 30k: the Smite Heresy

[naive imp]

i generally prefer 2 handers to dual wield melees

i am starving

[zealous ravine]

dual wield could be great but im not particularly interested in tiny shivs

[manic wolf]

Smite = you get barreled every time you're near one and I wont res you if you go down

[vernal sluice]

yeaaa I wish fatshark did more with the dual wielding idea

[zealous ravine]

if i had dual wield axes? instantly locking in

[vernal sluice]

like what we have is good but it all feels too safe

[zealous ravine]

wouldnt leave my wep slot ever

[manic wolf]

Alright Bardin, reel it in

[pearl flame]

smykers are like Ralph, they're helping

[naive imp]

dual chainaxes, you get even more locked in

[abstract onyx]

Has anyone tried debuffer or support build are they wroth considering?

[random shuttle]

stimbox chem builds are doing just fine hombre

bone saw, needler

[manic wolf]

I feel like the debuff for tox dot on a boss could be pretty valuable in Havoc

[random shuttle]

go to town

[reef spoke]

They're alright but naturally reliant on teammates that don't eat bricks to feel good

[random shuttle]

Purple Jam proven great during event bosses so I reckon is same in havocussy

[brittle ferry]

playing a shit ton until you get bored of the update be like

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

[manic wolf]

Oh yeah, also that, but I mean the -30% damage dealt by boss node

[random shuttle]

Such a sloooooog

[amber sundial]

byeah

[pearl flame]

yeah that one is grim

[random shuttle]

well

[pearl flame]

"hey, play bad for 2600 toughness and we'll give you a penance"

[manic wolf]

At least that penance just happens over time, you havent gotta worry about it, it'll just complete itself by playing

[compact oyster]

I wish that every class had access to a 2 handed weapon

[tender marten]

I've had that one done for a while now, no idea what I did right.

[random shuttle]

One more mission to complete it

[vernal sluice]

I ended up doing the final 400 of that by just standing in gas clouds and then deploying stimm crate

[compact oyster]

Hive scum can get the chain glaive vet can get a hunting glaive

[vernal sluice]

it's so ASS

[abstract onyx]

Im trying out Reginalds debuff build right now but i cant tell if it is good or not i havent stepped beyyom heresy on scum yet

[limber cradle]

Ive got like 25 odd missions to finish every scum penance

[amber sundial]

It’s actually more since it’s a % of max toughness and not flat toughness

[pearl flame]

true

[neon fern]

same

only the 100 missions left

[raven matrix]

Is the crowbar the intended pairing of the dual stub pistols?

[pearl flame]

either way it's a penance that insists you play detrimental to the rest

[neon fern]

which is funny cuz on arbites i only have 48 missions done

get fun diffed ig

[drowsy relic]

Honestly I just used stim crate for that lol since it removed the 15 second uptime of stim so I could do it faster

[hallow creek]

god i hate people that are so pissy that dont get picked up right away

like theres 5 ragers on me chill

[urban pecan]

what is cartel special in relation to penances on hive scum?

[pearl flame]

custom stim

[hallow creek]

the active portion of your hive stimm

[limber cradle]

Being on your stim

[pearl flame]

ie you need to stick something in the stim lab and then do x during its active period

[urban pecan]

tyvm

[limber cradle]

Np, happy hunting.

[grand jewel]

had a dude pipe up in voice chat saying to get get him up from a respawn in the final arena of the new mission, while I was a level like, 19 scum getting shot at from every direction

💀

[obsidian crown]

No. Revive me NOW.

[compact oyster]

It would be funny if fatshark gave the cyber mastiff rogue trader's inclination mastiff skins

[limber cradle]

Arb is genuinely such a brain off class

I did all their penances and went

[limber cradle]

"Yk I could play vet and simply kill things better"

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/drag-struggle-pain-hero-strong-gif-15743044

Be this guy!

[tender marten]

I like Arby.

[pearl flame]

Meanwhile, in Wales

[limber cradle]

Tbh I will not leave someone in missions

[tender marten]

Micromanaging the dog is fun.

[neon fern]

i couldn't even bother finishing them

[winter tusk]

True

[obsidian crown]

Tbh if it’s a difference between completing it and having to go back and risk failure, I’ll extract

[limber cradle]

Nah, I'm going back

I won't leave anyone to the poxxies man

[obsidian crown]

Unless they’re smite psykers

[limber cradle]

Nah legit you have to be openly hostile on mic for me to leave you behind in extract

[grand jewel]

guys, why can't we health stim someone thats downed to get them back up

[limber cradle]

I dont care how much I hate your playstyle

[winter tusk]

I usually get people up unless they're too far and they'll die, waste of time running back

Sometimes ill leave people on the ground if theyre a liability, had some dude push a burster on me and barrel me, he went down and I left his asa

[vernal sluice]

I've got about the same. Helped myself by speedrunning uprising a bit because there were so many 4scum wipes 💀

[pure viper]

Is Chem Dependancy supposed to not work with stimm supply?

cause that sucks

[grand jewel]

had a dude repeatedly shoot pox bursters get dogged later in the match so I just stood next to him Tbagging

[pearl flame]

you need manual injects, crates won't give it

[grand jewel]

god I fucking hate people that shoot bursters

[limber cradle]

Ive been doing em on auric or it feels fake to me

[dim moth]

kinda love stimm supply for uptime on long cooldown stimms ngl

[neon fern]

there's a time and place to shoot bursters tho

[real dew]

tbh I find at higher levels my stim recharges so fast that chem dep and stim supply not working with each other isn't really an issue

[neon fern]

u don't only push them

[dim moth]

23 seconds to get a 75 second cooldown stimm back

[pearl flame]

doubly so now that it seems bursters have even more splosion range

[dim moth]

it had just barely run out and it's already back lmao

[pure viper]

so there's the capstone thing and the stimm supply effect is entirely antisynergy huh

[vernal sluice]

Normally I'd agree with you but I was on verge of losing my shit with auric scum qps

[pearl flame]

brilliant, ain't it?

[broken axle]

Okay I'm a bit slow in the head but is the "Cartel Special" trying to get some new pants cause I'm not seeing it

[bronze glade]

is this a 9 stam curio set up lol

[limber cradle]

It just makes me a better player if I have to carry 3 other people, idm.

[dim moth]

of course

[grand jewel]

sure, but its clearly not when its anywhere near your allies, that should be obvious and not needed to be stated

[vernal sluice]

Like what the fuck is up with scum players playing the dps class and not killing anything? Just existing??

[grand jewel]

rather than a 🤓 you can shoot them

[dim moth]

I figured I ain't making this class tanky any time soon

so might as well maximize the BLENDER

[limber cradle]

Tbh I prefer stam to a hp curio

[vernal sluice]

I run 1 tough 2 stams

[neon fern]

i have 1 triple stam 2 tuff

[manic wolf]

Take a fast weapon and Precision Violence, you basically have Confident Strike on say a knife. Its not Arb tanky, but its pretty tough

[obsidian crown]

I run 2 tough and 1 stam on desperado

[bronze glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447448646168739880/31F6591.MP4?ex=6937a919&is=69365799&hm=42f46b37d8e8ddc51b246dffada82b822b6b7766be32a01c74dbfeaf7a02acb1&

don't be a pussy, run 9 stam

no half measures

[winter tusk]

Yep, probably 85% of my games leveling scum I had to clutch at least once, most of the time 2-3 times

[limber cradle]

I run 2 tough 1 stam with 3 toughmess minors, makes my toughness 187 which is coincidentally also police code for homicide on a cop

[neon fern]

awsme

[vernal sluice]

I have been clutching since level 1 I'm kinda sick of it

[limber cradle]

The first day of scum release was actually insane tbh

[reef spoke]

The average player is not even aware they're being hard carried

[winter tusk]

Yep, I just go into auric with the mindset that ill have to clutch, probably more than once

[reef spoke]

It's actually kind of sad

[vernal sluice]

Why tf am I waiting to connect to the server and wait in queue and wait in lobby and wait in the valkyrie loading screen just to play alone

[obsidian crown]

Most don’t have scoreboard tbh

[drowsy relic]

May a brother have a build

[obsidian crown]

Also it was free weekend too

[winter tusk]

Good thing theres no scoreboard so we don't know

[limber cradle]

Auric is simply havoc warm up, I don't lose anything for losing one

[reef spoke]

Well it's more they don't even do objectives and stuff

[pearl flame]

just get sample collector and hack away with your bonesaw

[vale breach]

Been enjoying the hivescum alot

[reef spoke]

That doesn't excuse them not helping with objectives

[near mauve]

martydom but funny

[limber cradle]

I am so sick of doing every obj in the map for people man

[drowsy relic]

I've kinda got one like that I'm curious about the specifics

[reef spoke]

IKR

[vale breach]

Early levels a pain but once you get em up there it gets better

[obsidian crown]

I use scanhelper to speed things up

[reef spoke]

I've swapped from Blackouts to Chem nades so I can solo objectives

[limber cradle]

I use zero mods tbh.

[sturdy linden]

Honestly I kinda hate doing objectives so I often just play bodyguard for the teammates that do them. If no one is doing them then ofc I do them

[obsidian crown]

I have to use spidey sense tbh. Game is unplayable for me otherwise

[vale breach]

Honestly them being squishy feels like it would make sense

[reef spoke]

Spidey sense -> tuned to ONLY show trappers

As the devs intended

[obsidian crown]

I have it turned on for everything

[limber cradle]

Spidey sense is too close to cheating for me tbh

[shadow umbra]

Ngl I feel the saw is the best of the three scum melees

[pearl flame]

just started using spidey sense, but I'm old and hard of hearing

[sturdy linden]

Shivs

[obsidian crown]

There’s deaf players.

[pearl flame]

I don't like it

[vale breach]

I love the saw

[sturdy linden]

🤌

[reef spoke]

When they fix silent trappers, I'll stop

[vale breach]

Funny chop chop

[shadow umbra]

The saw is literally just so damn reliable

[vale breach]

Also favorite gun is the needle pistol

[near mauve]

it aint cheating if u cant play without it

as in literally cant

[limber cradle]

Are you deaf?

[vale breach]

Aka the fent pistol

[obsidian crown]

Yes. I’ve said it many times actually

[sturdy linden]

Yeah fentgun is cracked

[dim moth]

same but tox bombers broke me

[obsidian crown]

Born deaf

[dim moth]

their audio is so unbelievably unreliable

[shadow umbra]

Too bad fentgun isnt good for desperado

[drowsy relic]

Thank you :)

[limber cradle]

I'm fine with you using it then, I'm not deaf tho.

[dim moth]

and they are such comically overtuned enemies

[sturdy linden]

Oh there you are, thank you for your mk3 shiv tox/bleed idea, it is insane fun

[reef spoke]

Tox bombers are such little bitches

[vale breach]

"you think a lil needle is gonna hurt me-" proceeds to have a seizure and starts foaming at the mouth

[reef spoke]

Bombers at least are visible

[obsidian crown]

I dared my friend to play solo high auric by himself with solo mod without sound on. He got demolished in 5 minutes. And he’s a fucking good player. Top 1% type of player

[shadow umbra]

The saw is just

[drowsy relic]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-hold-on-wayment-startled-idris-elba-gif-15124790

[shadow umbra]

GOOD

[obsidian crown]

Was funny to watch

[vale breach]

God I accidentally shoved a bomber into my fellow hive scum and killed them

[limber cradle]

Use whatever you use, I don't use it cause I think it's too close to having an ESP for me.

[shadow umbra]

THE SAW IS WHAT THE CHAINSWORD AND CROWBAD WISHES IT COULD BE

[vale breach]

I wish we would have dual axes

That would be awesome

[bronze glade]

i hate the BS

[bronze glade]

yes pllleeeease

[manic wolf]

Uhhh the Chainsword is cracked on Scummer

[vale breach]

Be a little Viking berserker

[limber cradle]

Spidey sense is still better than psykernautics, that shit is a straight up ESP

[winter tusk]

A lot of people do have it, it doesnt make much difference lol. Ive played with enough steam shitters to know that people dont care in general lol. People really have no issue dragging their squad down lol

[pearl cliff]

How much of a double take are these dregs having seeing people who usually enjoy sickness die to sickness

[vale breach]

Or just a big slayer

[reef spoke]

On my arby and vet, I've started sitting in a corner and seeing how long it takes

[sturdy linden]

Yesterday I dealt I think 50k+ boss damage thanks to fentgun

[zenith pagoda]

Does "long lasting" talent add onto "fast acting stims" to make it 20s?

[sturdy linden]

[winter tusk]

Ive had some tone deaf mf tell me "Uhh you should probably stick with the squad" the rest of the squad was frontlining with me while he was getting stopped by every poxwalker

[obsidian crown]

Most people couldn’t play spidey sense the way I do anyways which is turned on for every single elite, etc . Would be overwhelming for them. Growing up fully reliant on visuals, I process visual info very quickly so it works for me

I make split second decisions with target priority

[reef spoke]

I always just say "move faster lol"

[vale breach]

Also been making lil backstory stuff for my vet and hive scum, said they used to be pals when they were younger and went separate paths in life and by chance ran into eachother on the ship

[limber cradle]

Tbh I'm a minimal hud person, idk how people play this game with the Healthbars mod for instance.

[winter tusk]

Spidey sense just gonna be an essential mod at a certain point, gonna be enough silent special to end 2/3 of your runs

[noble latch]

so when is this class getting some buffs

its too weak

[drowsy relic]

One time I spent 10 minutes at the Phage Tree...

[manic wolf]

If HUD wasnt a hard requirement, I would play this with no HUD, but alas, you need some elements, such as seeing what your teammates are doing etc

[dim moth]

no :(

[drowsy relic]

They never picked it up

[reef spoke]

Speaking of mods, Danger Sense revealed some interesting info. Seems Bursters and Barrels have bigger blast radius

[obsidian crown]

Always funny when they expect the glass class to do it

[reef spoke]

As the pre-update radius is smaller

[winter tusk]

Bursters have a larger blast radius if theyre unpushed pretty sure

[pearl flame]

or we have bigger hitboxes all of a sudden

[shadow umbra]

Also does saw tox count for 2% percentage towards tox infected for stim cooldown node

[drowsy relic]

I would have done it but I wanted to see how long it'd take

[reef spoke]

Could be that too. Either way I'm annoyed :c

[zenith pagoda]

Rip, what about "blessed stims"? Does that allow everyone to cure corruption while "fast acting stims" is active

[bright coral]

Ay that’s racism I’m a BT enjoyer and Dilara hasn’t banned me, yet.

[pearl flame]

it should

[obsidian crown]

My philosophy with these objectives is if you have someone map wiping elites, etc. they shouldn’t do tree because they can cover the person doing it.

[hallow creek]

scoreboard is working again?

[candid flax]

melee scum without rampage eww

[noble latch]

should be

mine is working anyway

[shadow umbra]

Ngl I feel melee and support scum are weaker than desperado scum

[winter tusk]

My philosophy with objectives is just to do them all, and have no expectation from randoms

[noble latch]

i have the ovenproof plugin patch etc

[obsidian crown]

Like flame staff psyker should not be doing these objectives, they should be spraying on these objectives

[candid flax]

No best scum is a desperado scum that doesn't actually run desperado

[dim moth]

My stimm is a 20 second rampage

[obsidian crown]

I’m talking specifically tree objectives or code breaking

For scans, everyone should do it

[winter tusk]

Same thing

[candid flax]

rending where

[hallow creek]

i kept getting chat notfications "cannot compile 'xyz' " and then i get a crash

[obsidian crown]

Do you not play havoc 40?

[winter tusk]

I still do those even on psyker because people literally can't. People will stand there doing the objective and let a mutant run over and grab them and throw them into fire

[noble latch]

make sure to install the fixes for it

[winter tusk]

No I dont play havoc because I like fun

[tired prairie]

There is a workaround to fix it posted in Modders’ Discord; there’s been no official fix yet

[winter tusk]

[obsidian crown]

I figured. Was kind of obvious you didn’t

[candid flax]

imo best scum either runs knife or rashad with double uzis, pickpocket, vulture and a low cooldown stimm crate

[obsidian crown]

You need cover in h40 to do these objectives

[winter tusk]

Yeah havocs a terrible game mode im not gonna waste my time

[noble latch]

good choice

[hallow creek]

at least until they fix what ever fucked up darktide this weekend

[zealous ravine]

bt?? like barotrauma?? that game is awesome

[lilac ermine]

Whats mods that

[bronze glade]

scoreboard

[dim moth]

rend this dick

[lilac ermine]

Is it different kind my scoreboard looks diff

[winter tusk]

Havoc is not fun, theres too many issues with this game to begin with, and thats bad enough in auric which is much lower stakes

[zealous ravine]

complaining about havoc is more fun than actually getting through derank and party finder

[zenith pagoda]

Does blessed stims cure corruption from any wound?

[noble latch]

i have the base scoreboard stuff turned off

[torpid cloud]

auric mission that goes so smooth that the team asks if we are on auric or damnation

good feels

[dim moth]

was it a story mission

[candid flax]

that took forever

meanwhile a crowbar just two taps them

[lilac ermine]

Ty

[torpid cloud]

train

[dim moth]

yeah because it was literally all DoT damage I could have touched them twice

[winter tusk]

Even if the havoc system wasn't shit, this game has enough silent specials, dcs and lag to fuck you over regardless

Whats fun about that

[dim moth]

and it would have died in the same time

[dim moth]

doesn't answer the question

[obsidian crown]

I can’t purely pug havocs. That’s a dice roll. I need at least one other friend I can trust. So waiting on my friend to finish exams this month then we hitting the grind

[dim moth]

did it have the cutscene at the end of it

[torpid cloud]

i dunno i only ever quickplay, what is a story mission xD
this game has a story?

[dim moth]

if it had a cutscene after the mission ended it was a story mission

[torpid cloud]

then yea

[winter tusk]

They put the missions in chronological order in the terminal now

[dim moth]

in which case it wasn't just damnation it was low intensity damnation

[candid flax]

the only thing i dislike about havoc is losing rank if not playing for a week

[dim moth]

all story missions are forced low intensity

even if they show up in aurics

that are normally the opposite

[obsidian crown]

Yeah we’re gonna lose like 3 ranks waiting for him to finish his exams so 30 to 27.

[torpid cloud]

this was a fun play

still

[stiff sleet]

It’s for newer players. It ain’t fun to go into the story mode and get shitstomped

[hallow creek]

its engagement bait, theres no point in resetting unless there is a leaderboard

[dim moth]

okay but hypothetically

[pearl flame]

auric should be auric no matter, but just disable qp into story missions

[dim moth]

I am not a new player I just do quickplay for the fuck of it because I don't care what mission I get I just want to do auric

the story missions are forced low intensity aka not auric

even though they can be queued as such

[stiff sleet]

Just turn off that setting?

[lilac ermine]

I play havoc with my friend and its really hard to win still if teammates is not so good

[dim moth]

I'm saying I want story missions removed from auric difficulty and you can't play them above damnation

[stiff sleet]

You can turn off queuing into them in the same menu as private games

[winter tusk]

I normally only play maelstrom, but even maelstrom modifiers are getting stale

[dim moth]

you can what

[winter tusk]

Waves of specialists with nurgles blessing

[sturdy linden]

Yeah you can turn em off

[pearl flame]

press E in the mission select terminal

[sturdy linden]

Go to options in mission select

[stiff sleet]

Lol. Lmao even.

[sturdy linden]

Just disable queueing into story missions

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-sad-upset-animals-sadness-gif-26953469

has that been there the whole time?

[sturdy linden]

Yeah

[reef spoke]

Wait really? That explains why they were so easy.

Why do they give more xp than auric missions then lol

[sturdy linden]

[reef spoke]

Story missions give tons of xp though

They're so good for leveling :c

[winter tusk]

Probably because people bitch about the leveling process

[drowsy relic]

Since about September

[stiff sleet]

So that by the end you’ll likely be Lv30 if playing on your highest available difficulty if not really close to it.

[obsidian crown]

I hit auric on 25

[reef spoke]

My team was just spamming story missions to hit lvl 30 in a day lol

Explains why it felt easy

[grand jewel]

there is a fixed version in the modders discord

[bronze glade]

it's fixed

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/514?tab=description

[candid flax]

wait story gives buffed exp??

bro

[limber cradle]

Why the scoreboard have tiddies

[candid flax]

I've been slow leveling the scum 💀

[limber cradle]

Goonerboard

[drowsy relic]

Because backup is a gooner lol

[bronze glade]

tbf, who isn't

[unreal stirrup]

how bromentum interact with hyper violence

[obsidian crown]

Me

[limber cradle]

I stopped being a gooner before they coopted the term goon for their nefarious purposes

[grand jewel]

kill enemies harder, next enemy gets killed harder and harder and harder

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[toxic dagger]

To incentivize playing them, I imagine

[limber cradle]

Is that why people spam twins

Not because its twins but because its short and story

[grand jewel]

yeah can just TP to the boss

[obsidian crown]

Nah that’s just cheese leveling strat

[toxic dagger]

What is this thumbnail dawg 😭

[obsidian crown]

I don’t like it

I rather learn the class while leveling

[limber cradle]

Thats what I fuckin saying Hank

[bronze glade]

don't ask me, i'm not the modmaker

[limber cradle]

I just quickplayed

[obsidian crown]

Same

[limber cradle]

Lost like 3 games in heresy total I think

[obsidian crown]

Lost 0 but yeah

I was with a friend

[limber cradle]

I was solo

[reef spoke]

It worked for my team 💪 to be fair, they're also a way to help new players out so it was pretty neat to help some lowbies

[limber cradle]

My friend got on by the time I had damnation unlocked and I had to go help them level

[obsidian crown]

Quickplaying 4 HS day 1 was always funny

[static light]

Is this class fried or skill issue?

[tender marten]

skissue

[limber cradle]

Skissue

[reef spoke]

Pocket purg psyker to the rescue UwU

[tender marten]

i miss being able to jump into damnation at level 15

[limber cradle]

Nah I kept playing scum

[obsidian crown]

I woulda just forced them in damn

[limber cradle]

Dude is an arb/og main

[dim moth]

same lol