hivescum-class

[dense hollow]

they do, the danger zone mod isn't accurate anymore

[forest escarp]

'but laiter, even with bigly cdr you still have like 15 seconds between desperados'
i spend those 15 seconds crying in a corner while the rest of my team gets to play the game. it's called coop, sololet.

[gray loom]

THEY DO?? I AM NOT INSANE??

[fair oar]

I have read people with the visible radius mod are getting hit outside of the circle. I cannot confirm

[calm aurora]

that's because we let the ogryns save the tainted rations. We all have fat ogryn hitboxes now

[random shuttle]

Damn the Heavy Ogryn is very low on whimsy

Scum: You don't scare me.
Heavy: Yes I do. I scare everyone.
Scum: It take more than a snarl...
Heavy: Ye? How about I brake your legs then.

[gray loom]

FUCK NOOO

[calm aurora]

it's confirmed

[dense hollow]

yeah this

[fair oar]

I should get that mod. I need to find a necessary mods list

All i have is scoreboard

[dense hollow]

id wait til it gets updated so it's atleast accurate

or wait til bursters get fixed

but its still a good mod

[forest escarp]

i will not get that mod because i space myself from bursters based off of Fear, not radii
and according to that clip, this is the correct mindset

[dense hollow]

for more visual clarity

[gray loom]

I was like 'man these bursters feel like they have a bigger radius, that is strange'

to

'I swear to GOD THESE BASTARDS have a fatter explosion'

I am happy my sense was triggering

[fair oar]

O and I have the stim timer mod. Now that one is a godsend

[calm aurora]

Cole is outside

[novel oracle]

i mostly have it to show dh radius (so i know its there so i can fight it)
and also to tell me if a burster is in the door and being silent

[forest escarp]

scoreboard can be nice but my friendly recommendation is to replace it with Power DI as it is more granular, easily tweakable, and generally better imo

dh radius does sound useful actually

[compact oyster]

you died before it explodeed

[forest escarp]

i died to one the other day because i thought i had space to sneak around slowly :c

[calm aurora]

Cole, that affects DH too?

[random shuttle]

any link to working Power DI? My scoreboard broke an the fix version is tiny

[grand jewel]

even without the radius, the fact it shows alert stages is super neat

[calm aurora]

is power di taxing your performance?

[forest escarp]

sure, i will dm it

[civic loom]

Does anyone know if the 'Stimmed' penance is currently bugged? Counter has been stuck on 406/1000 for the last two matches, even though Ive maintained full stacks for the duration of these games :/

[dense hollow]

let it run out

before you end the game

[grand jewel]

yeah drop off from 3 stacks at some point

or 4

just off max

[forest escarp]

uuhhh i have noticed weird stutters on occasion but i chalked that up to swapping out pc parts around the same time, so maaaybe?
it autosaves numbers every 60s by default, i think, but otherwise i am not aware of it being some kind of major performance hog

i do have a beefy rig though

[calm aurora]

I have a very beefy rig and my experience with DT is the following

[grand jewel]

yeah darktide runs like ass

[calm aurora]

And I use RT in CP77

[grand jewel]

I can run star citizen better than I can run darktide

💀

[echo python]

I usually reset my settings each major darktide patch, that seems to fix my performance issues

[forest escarp]

i havent personally gotten memory crashes after tweaking some sort of steam launch setting to adjust allocation but it might be unstable atm, actually, i have no idea

[fair oar]

These are the 2 games I'm playing right now too

Guns akimbo dream in darktide: accomplished. Now we wait to dual wield in cyberpunk

[calm aurora]

scums look like dollar store tyger claws

[wind crane]

i say needle because i saw this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf0eCjEoBcQ

[thorn prawn]

One tox grenade and I'm playing a Powerpoint presentation

[fair oar]

I got 2 lexingtons ready to go. One for each hand

[calm aurora]

I am sure there's a mod 😄

[fair oar]

There is but it's bad

[dense hollow]

i use blinders for this reason

chem nades kill everything

including my pc

[grand jewel]

mines not that bad but I have to keep changing shit every few updates to allocate more to the game or drop shit

like

its not getting better

its getting worse lol

[calm aurora]

there is a mod to disable effects

[grand jewel]

irrelevant but I assume this is the Daemonhost execute

[calm aurora]

you should try that, it's verrryyyyy granular

[thorn prawn]

I Wanna See hasn't been updated yet I think

[dense hollow]

whats the mod called

and does it work this patch

i'll get it immediately if it works

[calm aurora]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/17

[dense hollow]

that doesn't look like it turns off any of the things im trying to turn off

[thorn prawn]

Thanks pal

[grand jewel]

weird, if I pick up ammo with scoreboard on my game crashes

still, even though I turned off all of its tracking of ammo

[terse creek]

Yall ain’t doing it right, yall ain’t praying to the omnissiah to bless your entertainment machine

[grand jewel]

so its not because its displaying it

very odd

[fair oar]

I had that happen to me. Installing it manually and disabling it in vortex worked

[grand jewel]

I don't use vortex

[thorn prawn]

I put my bullyclub in holy oil bath sah!

[grand jewel]

I've always just done it manually

[fair oar]

And youbedited the lua file?

[grand jewel]

though I do have ovenproof on atm, so Ill try without

[compact oyster]

also worked with arbites on release since screen effects are already in the code by either adamant or broker

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-what-smile-whut-weird-stare-gif-16592004

[thorn prawn]

Vortex

[calm aurora]

apparently it does not work with blood splatters?

[fair oar]

You open the lua file in notepad++ and line 549 just add a _ after ammo

[drowsy relic]

It's scoreboard itself the way it processes ammo is wrong

[thorn prawn]

I want to learn if it means fixing mods quickly for myself

[calm aurora]

there's a temp fix for sb in the modders discord

[grand jewel]

[compact oyster]

i only used it for the screen effect from the bottom right keystone on arbites so idunno

[fair oar]

I saw theres a patch for ovenproof uploaded recently but I dont have that so I cant say

[digital mango]

what helped me (i have amd system though) is to do this: https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/how-to-fix-amd-gpu-stutters-and-improve-clarirty-streaming-settings-config-fix/108373

and turning off SMT in bios

[novel oracle]

i can do what this build does but the "unkillable" part is actually true

this has chem depenency instead of vultures mark

so theres no vultures dodge

[digital mango]

went from 70-90fps to 120-165fps

[calm aurora]

I run a 7800X3d and a 9070XT

[grand jewel]

which one

[novel oracle]

like watch the buff bar and see the very short purple buff that keeps refreshing
regardless whether i was in desperado or not, im immune to melee AND ranged damage (excluding overheads) during that buff

[digital mango]

yeah then you should do those things aswell (SMT (off) is going to be weird though, u might wanna check if it is better on or off, since it will lower ur framerate a lil bit, but it will make it a ton more consistent)

[rare stirrup]

thoughts? tryna do a stim build

[rare stirrup]

shivs prolly

[echo python]

Sample Collector if you want to do a Stimms build

[grand jewel]

do I still have to do this after I install the one in the modders disc

[dense hollow]

not taking pulverizing strikes on rampage is crazy

[livid raven]

remove blessed stims

[dense hollow]

missing out on 25% power

[fair oar]

Idk I didnt install from the discord.

[grand jewel]

ill give a try

TY

[fair oar]

I'm dumb with computers I just follow the directions of smart people

[rare stirrup]

yeah fair

[digital mango]

and i also did this:

local_lights_shadow_map_filter_quality = "medium"
local_lights_shadows_enabled = true
lod_object_multiplier = 1
lod_scatter_density = 0
motion_blur_enabled = false
nv_framerate_cap = 0
nv_low_latency_boost = false
nv_low_latency_markers = true
nv_low_latency_mode = true
outline_enabled = false
particles_capacity_multiplier = 1
particles_simulation_lod = 0
reflex_warp_enabled = false
rough_transparency_enabled = true
rt_checkerboard_reflections = false
rt_light_quality = false
rt_mixed_reflections = false
rt_particle_reflections_enabled = false
rt_reflections_enabled = false
rt_shadow_ray_multiplier = 0
rt_transparent_reflections_enabled = false
rtxgi_enabled = false
rtxgi_scale = 1
sharpen_enabled = true
sharpness = 0.5
skin_material_enabled = false
ssr_enabled = false
ssr_high_quality = false
static_sun_shadow_map_size = [
2048
2048
]
static_sun_shadows = true
sun_flare_enabled = false
sun_shadow_map_filter_quality = "low"
sun_shadow_map_size = [
4
4
which helped a ton, since darktide doesnt take away all the RT even when you turn it off (after that i made sure to put the file into "read-only" mode)
idk darktides RT doesnt very much like AMD gpu's

[wind crane]

even to crushers?

[dense hollow]

desperado auto pistols kill mixed hordes and other threats so quickly that it not being effective against crushers is w/e

[civic loom]

@grand jewel @dense hollow Thanks both! Just worked and unlocked 🙂

[frigid basalt]

ayo scummers. I need y'allz help

I saw some youtube thumbnail that was a picture of the enhanced desperado in a garbage bin

[calm aurora]

thanks, will try that today

[frigid basalt]

and I wanna see if I'm getting rage baited but I can't find the video

[livid raven]

you are

[digital mango]

yaa, lemme know how it goes! 😄

[dense hollow]

you're definetively getting rage baited

[livid raven]

stop listening to darktide youtubers

[rare stirrup]

rage baited

[grand jewel]

discord install does not need the lua file line thing

[dense hollow]

desperado auto pistols are outdpsing flamestaff psykers in some h40 games

[digital mango]

u can also undervolt/overclock ur gpu for some extra omph and lower temps, but im using a 9060 XT, so its a bit different 😄

[frigid basalt]

I'm trying to find the video is what I mean

[livid raven]

probably Mr E

[livid raven]

he is a grifter so i can see it

[grand jewel]

legit

[calm aurora]

It has been done since day 1 and tested since

[frigid basalt]

it was not

maybe it's some dude with like 80 subs

and youtube algorythm just sent me it

[drowsy relic]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRSabGOHDXuH7cSrAakX5sVi5DAvsZW1kNbU8KQFyyb7XM0GZbBbiY6Ppdky_VPwNnZcsGki4EyiVsZ/pub

[digital mango]

yaa then u wanna do a bump to max freq offset, and do this and try to bump max freq on vram (though some cards doesnt like boosting that, so u'll have to test it out urself overtime :D)

[grand jewel]

was his name starting with C and ending with E

[drowsy relic]

Someone did the scum tests

[frigid basalt]

no clue

[calm aurora]

Yeah but I am not sure the performance bump will be as noticeable as undervolt and boosting the power limit

I should try it tho

[novel oracle]

i just hard carried a lobby through hardmode twins as hive scum

5 revives, 5 rescues

[calm aurora]

I should probably try 2575 or 2600

[digital mango]

yaa, whenever u've done some of those things u can always ping me or hop into my dm's and tell me all about the better frames ;D

[frigid basalt]

You can still activate hard mode twins?

[grand jewel]

skill issue

[novel oracle]

yeah ofc

[grand jewel]

letting your teammates die

[frigid basalt]

I thought it was event only

[drowsy relic]

Not possible reddit-

I can't do this anymore

[calm aurora]

what's your card?

[drowsy relic]

Well done cole

[frigid basalt]

Does it still skip the entire mission?

[novel oracle]

yea

[digital mango]

9060 XT Sapphire Pulse

[vocal saffron]

Dont wrry i have a 5090 and darktide drops to like 78 frames sometimes lmfao

I run it at like

[calm aurora]

I have a xfx mercury 9070xt so yeah I can safely bump that

[vocal saffron]

High gfx with just about everything turned off

[calm aurora]

I am sure it's cpu limited in some way

and it does not like x3d cpus

[digital mango]

yaa with mercury u can prolly bump it quite a bit, ive heard that card is very very good

[fickle socket]

so how do i get this up
do i have to fully upgrade the toughness stim tree?

[dense hollow]

take Barrage IV and Regain on your stimm tree, and stimm whenever you're at 50% toughness or less

[verbal dew]

it's a v tedious penance

[livid raven]

you have to play badly with a bad stimm

[fickle socket]

[calm aurora]

The card is as long as the case

poutting it inside was...

[vocal saffron]

It doesn't

[digital mango]

u could try to disable the iGPU in bios and using the higher watt version of eco mode (and/or try using Precision overdrive with 200mhz core boost and -25 or -30 curve optimizer)

[vocal saffron]

I have one as well

[novel oracle]

im exporting a low file size version of it

thatll fit in discord

cuz that run was so fucking stupid

[vocal saffron]

Why do games run like glorpshit..

[novel oracle]

like holy shit

stripped down needlepistol is the goat

[frigid basalt]

???

[calm aurora]

I have +150 and -25 yeah.... you think the igpu can cause pb?

[frigid basalt]

isn't this literally just every game because of update cycles?

[calm aurora]

funcking old ass engine

[fair oar]

I take it mister e is not a youtuber you should listen to?

[digital mango]

yaa, ive seen when windows decides to use the iGPU for certain tasks and that makes the cpu clock lower cause it has to do certain things with the iGPU instead

[fickle socket]

whats a good shotgun to use with scum, im debating for either double or the combat one

[frigid basalt]

oh right, i've been seeing people talk about a needler desperado build

any good?

[fallen coyote]

Not really

[frigid basalt]

double is great since you can effectively keep shooting

[calm aurora]

So now I need to find how to disable it in the bios lmao

[fallen coyote]

You get free ammo sure but its uptime is nonexistent

[vocal saffron]

Fack u keet

[fickle socket]

[frigid basalt]

combat shotguns are typically directly better the double barrel but for desperado it's a little weird

[vocal saffron]

Mpreg is serious crime..

[calm aurora]

whyyyyy?

🫃

[fickle socket]

its the middle tree

[vocal saffron]

FAAAACK u

[calm aurora]

that's dadbod

[autumn raptor]

If this is aboput low player count, it's because game dosen't have much content.

[vocal saffron]

Im on ao3 i know an mpreg when i zee 1

[fickle socket]

https://tenor.com/view/pregnant-man-pregnant-pregnant-man-react-him-pregnant-man-react-pregnant-man-reaction-gif-4790048922908092687

[dense hollow]

i run this on my desperado build with the DB

[digital mango]

erm its usually under "Advanced > AMD CBS > NBIO Common Options > GFX Configuration"
depends highly on motherboard tho

[fickle socket]

[calm aurora]

dadbodding is a common occurence after 40

[vocal saffron]

Not gonna live that long

[fickle socket]

would a 76% in all stats work or should i go get mobil on the lowest

[vocal saffron]

I will never experience twink death

[calm aurora]

OK will check that later then, I do not use the IGPU. And I am sure I can find that option in any MSI video about my damn bios

[novel oracle]

you want 60 in mobility so important stats like reload speed, damage, range, etc are all at their highest possible

[dense hollow]

i mean if you really want you can run that but every stat here except mobility does something to improve the double barrel's shooty performance

[novel oracle]

cuz like
why would you take less damage for no reason

[dense hollow]

yeah

[fickle socket]

alright

[vocal saffron]

Combat balde dump stat is damage

Nod nod

[dense hollow]

it costs me like 100k-200k dockets on average to get a perfect roll from the armory anyway

[digital mango]

yaa shouldnt be too hard to find ^^
but after u've done all these things, i'd love to know how big of a performance bump it gave 😄

[novel oracle]

3x revive speed came in clutch here too

[dense hollow]

is there a reason you wouldn't take revive speed anyway, it feels like such an important stat ever since they made it apply to apply to all assists

[novel oracle]

i feel like stam regen is more important on vet for example
and you also have VoC to just ensure it in most situations anyway

[wind crane]

fair enough

[novel oracle]

or a nade

[novel oracle]

basically that yeah
it also is still okayish against crushers during desperado with the rending node, not amazing but youre still dealing with them a little faster than with any uninvested melee option youd have

but outside of that shivs are good cuz you can throw 2x toxin knives, then get the kill with the shivs to get those two back

[fair oar]

When I see crushers I give my dueling sword teammates the nod and I continue killing horde

[novel oracle]

but most of the time youre better off letting the team deal with the crushers honestly
as desperado vultures mark you can be anywhere and do anything
you can take out those shooters harrasing them as they kill the boss/crushers
or screen the specials so they dont harrass them

you are the ultimate stability maintainer

[frigid basalt]

Or just quickly use the rashad

or bonesaw

[dense hollow]

rashad and bonesaw are absolutely not quick options in desperado

[frigid basalt]

or make your stim have the rending buff

[novel oracle]

yeah shivs are probably the safest option for their raw ability to deal with the weaknesses of the autopistols and their dodge distance so you can get out of range of anything you may need to

[frigid basalt]

Not fast but if it's just one a few slashes can help

[drowsy relic]

I want less damage on my needle pistol ragghhh

[novel oracle]

like youre meleeing bosses and crushers and thats it

[wind crane]

so do you guys think a hiver would be included in an optimal havoc 40 team setup?

[novel oracle]

btw we have these now

[novel oracle]

ive had some smooth ass 40s running that build

[dense hollow]

if it's one crusher the shivs are better

if it's multiple crushers the shivs are still better

in despy

[novel oracle]

like a ranged enemy seed at a terrible spot for it like the floor below the magistrati mid event

that fucking SUCKS to have gunners and reapers ONLY on

esp when theres 1 or 2 rituals in the middle of all of em

[frigid basalt]

what build and stim do y'all run for desperado?
Drug addict or vulture?

[random shuttle]

Oh nice, one of Jasper Kyd instruments!

[dense hollow]

vulture's

[novel oracle]

but you got me
and i can run around there basically infinitely without worry and clear everything out

[muted pivot]

is it just me or are the basic level 1 shivs the worst?

[novel oracle]

cuz vultures mark is fucking balanced

[muted pivot]

apart from the throwing knife part

which is sick

[dense hollow]

i very quickly took myself out of the phase where i thought chem dependancy would be good for desperado

but the point tax was too huge

vulture's is right next to everything you need

[neon fern]

the shivs are probably the best scum weapon lvl1

[novel oracle]

and it gives you desperado outside of desperado

cuz why not

[muted pivot]

idk, crowbar feels so much better

[novel oracle]

oh and it works for melee too

cuz why not

[dense hollow]

it gives you enhanced enhanced desperado

[frigid basalt]

I'm debating on using the rending stim or just running pure cooldown for desperado

[dense hollow]

melee dodge state

[muted pivot]

thought I hated the class to begin with, until I unlocked the bar

[neon fern]

crowbar is actually terrible without talents and blessings

[muted pivot]

lmao fair enough. I'm still level 9 going through malice to unlock heresy

[novel oracle]

though ive had it fall off for a fraction of a second, got melee hitstunned in that window, and literally exploded like an atom bomb from all of the ranged enemies i aggroed shooting at me
you still gotta be doing something all the time lol

[muted pivot]

I just couldn't hack it with shivs after heavying a dreg bruiser in the head and it not dying

[dense hollow]

yeah 1 second isn't very long, it's an extra layer of safety not something you should rely on

[muted pivot]

felt a bit shitty for a single target weapon to need two single target heavy attacks to kill a trash mob lol

[dense hollow]

but layers are super important

[compact oyster]

this might sound stupid

[novel oracle]

against ranged tho its very safe

[compact oyster]

but ruffian vulture's mark build?

[novel oracle]

cuz you have the ranged toughness talent to fill in gaps

[dense hollow]

you're better off going keystoneless at that point

[novel oracle]

and during reloads you just slide till its done

[muted pivot]

sounds like psyker defense

[flat mist]

wtf is this absurd cleave on the mk1 shiv lmao

not even the cleavey mark

[dense hollow]

psyker defense is like atleast 2x better than scum

[flat mist]

💀

[muted pivot]

I mean in terms of doctrine, not effectiveness

[dense hollow]

ohhh true true

yeah stacking those layers on psyker is important too

[muted pivot]

Psyker's similarly about stacking as many layers of "that one didn't count" or "nice hit, too bad I've already regenerated my toughness"

[flat mist]

19 enemies hit with an l1

[compact oyster]

no

[dense hollow]

what do you mean when you say ruffian, just the aura?

or are you making a melee build

[compact oyster]

the ability

going melee scum into vultures mark

[dense hollow]

why would you?

[compact oyster]

funny

[prime violet]

Isn't chem dependency just better than vultures mark in most situations

[neon fern]

if u do this do it with the stubs imo

[flat mist]

pls buff

[dense hollow]

its funny but i don't see the benefits you'd get besides the movespeed since the other buffs don't affect your melee

and you'd need specifically ranged elite/special kills to stack vulture's

[prime violet]

Vultures is kind of badly designed imo

With chem dep you get more cdr for desperado

[dense hollow]

with chem dep you spend atleast 4 more talent points to get it on a desperado build

2 more if you want TDR and crit from it

[foggy lantern]

Shivs benefit from attack speed builds.

[hazy vector]

Hyper critical bad, right?

[prime violet]

Yeah but extra pouches and sample collector are great nodes anyway

[drowsy relic]

For now yes

[hazy vector]

Also it seems Adrenaline Smiter is always da way?

[dense hollow]

for me yes

i always use adrenaline smiter

[foggy lantern]

My current build is pretty melee-focused. I'm using chain-axe with as much attack speed as I can cram into it.

Hyper-Critical is bugged and not reliable.

[prime violet]

Can't build stacks on monstrosity with adrenaline smiter tho

[foggy lantern]

Adrenaline Frenzy doesn't seem very good compared to chemical dependency, for the benefits you are getting.

[grand jewel]

ignore that

[unreal stirrup]

where is this from

[unreal stirrup]

auric?

also damage look like shit but with flesh tearer that would kill all of them

another flesh tearer uncunny w

[spice cloud]

Its really good

[unreal stirrup]

adrenaline frenzy have 100% uptime

[drowsy relic]

Reddit

[muted pivot]

Which chain axe and how are you building it? I love chain axe zealot

I always went with the mark 4 with headtaker slaughterer carapace unyielding, is it the same for us methheads?

[muted pivot]

oh damn, guess shivs are just super blessing dependent

greys feel shit because they're shit I guess

[unreal stirrup]

if anyone talk about weapon effectiveness we alway assume maxed

[foggy lantern]

Idk which mark, but it's the one you get when you first unlock it. I have Rev it Up and strength on charged heavy, but I'll probably replace Rev it Up with Str on kill.

The ACR from dependency stacks works on both your stimm and on your ability, so if you're building melee, it almost seems better to cram CDR into your build and use attack speed stimm and Frenzy

[muted pivot]

I'll think about maxed once I'm at least level 20 or so lol, still working through the pain that is low level groups as scum

[muted pivot]

the 4 is the one with vertical lights and sweeping heavies, the 12 is the opposite

[dense hollow]

the ability cooldown reduction does not work on your stim

[winter galleon]

Feels like to get chem dependency with crit chance and probably would want the toughness dr on desperado build gotta give up 25% weakpoint damage and 20% crit on dodge and one of the defensive trinity talents

[livid raven]

Desperado builds don't take 25% weakspot damage either way

[foggy lantern]

The ACR in the stimm doesnt, but ACR from other sources is supposed to.

[main trellis]

Try bloodletter & thunderous

[livid raven]

It's pretty bad

[amber sundial]

the only thing that reduces stim CD is sample collector

[muted pivot]

In general across both of my chain axe classes (and any more if I generalise), or just for scum specifically?

[main trellis]

Nothing like a good bodyshot

[main trellis]

In general for mk4

[foggy lantern]

Sample collector sucks ass through a straw.

[muted pivot]

Bloodletter is if you rev, right? I rarely rev mine tbh

[amber sundial]

Yea bleed on rev

[main trellis]

You should rev more

[muted pivot]

and when I do the target is usually dead if it's not a boss

[dense hollow]

unless you're using blackouts it is factually the better way to path down to chem dependency

blackouts really enjoy the chem toxin on blitz

[muted pivot]

maybe different for zelly since martyrdom is silly

[main trellis]

If you want head & slaughter use mk12 & spam lights

[torpid cloud]

I kinda wanna try a dependency desperado, but I'm so used to vulture at this point

[unreal stirrup]

the 25% weakspot node is really bad unless you're on shiv or knife

even then it not that good

[foggy lantern]

I will rev it for crushers, maulers, and ragers, or BoN, but all other monstrosities have too much area knockback to make it worthwhile.

[livid raven]

25% is just so low

[torpid cloud]

I'm kind of assuming that the only reason I see any success on auric with this class is due to vultures dodge

[muted pivot]

The timing is really awkward, but it's rewarding when it works

[torpid cloud]

Weak spot damage is calculated weirdly anyway

[winter galleon]

Eh people do havoc40 without it

[foggy lantern]

Honestly, I probably should be using toxic grenades instead of rocket with my build.

[neon fern]

nah, desperado is the biggest factor

[unreal stirrup]

no it just 25% of the damage added by weakspot hit

it quite simple

meanwhile weakspot strength is multiplier

[neon fern]

you will 100% be fine if you run desperado feel free to pair it with any keystone

[torpid cloud]

But I'm trash, I have no business cleaning up entire swarms of gunners for my team before they become an issue

With every other class I'd stand no chance

[hazy vector]

why play this class then

[unreal stirrup]

unironically get better

[livid raven]

Desperado just handles mixed hordes that well

[foggy lantern]

My build tears boss shields apart even without revving and charged heavies.

[dense hollow]

there's a chance of there being some breakpoints that are hit with melees by taking it but most of the time i found it to not really be that big of a deal to not take 25% weakspot damage

[torpid cloud]

Because it's the only one I do well on

[hazy vector]

wat

This class is harder to play than any other

[unreal stirrup]

tldr desperado carry

[neon fern]

On my first desperado build i run adrenaline frenzy to help my crowbar

don't really need vulture

[livid raven]

The devious Desperado:

[foggy lantern]

It's also the most fun when you have a build that works, IMO

[muted pivot]

Unrelated question, is there a point to the rocket launcher? Feels like chem bombs are busted

[torpid cloud]

People overlook how useful the defensive aspect of desperado is to picking up teammates

[neon fern]

desperado is kinda braindead yerp

[main wagon]

I use it for running the cannisters

Insane stam regen means you can give any melee dregs the stiff arm

Repeatedly

[foggy lantern]

Rocket Launcher is great damage against monstrosities, but you're better off with Chem bombs most of the time anyway.

[main wagon]

Ranged is just a bad dream at that point

[torpid cloud]

I just slide spam with those but uh
That also works

[dense hollow]

a tac axe spends less time doing this damage to monstrosities than the rocket launcher

[winter galleon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a083b09a-d2f2-44ac-a211-369becf76c68/so-anyways

is what i have as my chem dependency setup currently except chem grenades not the blackout though kinda want to get pocket toxins

[neon fern]

now that i think of it's it's weird that they didn't give desper a debuff on exit like they did rampage

[main wagon]

Sometimes there's an absolute gunner/shotgunner hell that your team didnt deal with that comes up one of the stairwells

[neon fern]

they probably should

[winter galleon]

Not sure what to change to get it though

[dense hollow]

besides if you're using rocket launcher you should probably atleast use it for it's best use case, bulwark walls and dense armor packs

[main wagon]

At that point though I guess Id just shoot them

[foggy lantern]

Chainaxe can also do pretty nutty damage.

[main wagon]

Depends on the situation

[drowsy relic]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/yccDkAPHV3

Full post

[main wagon]

Im still getting used to pickpocket

[unreal stirrup]

rampage can quite literally last infinitely

[neon fern]

yes i know

[main wagon]

Unlimited ammo so long as something in there is important

[neon fern]

so does desperado

[unreal stirrup]

due to the subnode

[muted pivot]

I just feel like chem bombs are the RPG with one extra shot and a Lingering death field

[torpid cloud]

Bulwarks aren't even the issue, a scum with a blinder can chew through them
Crushers however

[unreal stirrup]

you can't maintain desperado for ever iirc

[muted pivot]

Do they have antisynergy with other chem sources or something?

[unreal stirrup]

since even with the subnode you still get diminished return after a period

[dense hollow]

melee scum is still like far tankier than pre rework melee psyker in my experience

[neon fern]

you can maintain it aslong as you need to to clear everything

even with the diminishing return

[hazy vector]

Which chsword mark better for melee hiver?

[foggy lantern]

Once you get to lvl 15 it starts to get that way.

Melee scum is basically loyalist Rager

[tight musk]

Gonna try rampage with chem dependency, alternating between rampage and stimm to keep various buffs going and get rampage back faster.

[dense hollow]

i dont remember which one is the one with the push attack stab but i like that one

[hazy vector]

and what blessings?

[torpid cloud]

Yeah, depends on your priorities and how the enemies funnel in
There are instances where it will fall off because you cannot kill fast enough, like with armored rager or crusher spawns

[fast ether]

rampage + wrath iirc are a good combo

with flak + maniac

[muted pivot]

I think the assault chainsword gets some crazy crit synergy too

[lapis raft]

mk3 shiv just needs not useless push attack like knife has then it would be 10/10

[dense hollow]

i think rampage and wrath is what i defaulted to but there might be some editing to the blessings you could do with the access to extra cleave on the tree we have

[muted pivot]

Specifically for multitarget

[spice cloud]

The shivs are allready goated

[flat mist]

part of the craziness is it not having the normal amount of damage fall off on multi targets

[neon fern]

the only thing that can slow u down here are crushers that its true, but you can just clear the sides and ignore them, and for scab ragers just shoot their flak heads

[wind urchin]

You know why are there 4 cartels with them being red blue green and purple?

Eh probably nothing

[torpid cloud]

Fair fair

[spice cloud]

Shivs are also crazy fast and surprisingly good into miced hordes with rampage

[flat mist]

chainsword has always retained a weird amount of its damage on finesse hits on consecutive targets

[muted pivot]

For "freedom!"

[wind urchin]

Hmm

[dreamy rover]

With cleave you turn into a blender

[unreal stirrup]

i just find knife better tbh

[torpid cloud]

Shivs with coated weaponry on a rampage build

[spice cloud]

Forreal

[hazy vector]

also holy shit why people who trying event are so bad

[torpid cloud]

Might go hard

[foggy lantern]

If you take the talent that gives attack speed based on stamina, they go especially nutso.

[unreal stirrup]

yeah because its fucking auric

[toxic dagger]

I think shivs feel more like a blender than they actually are

[torpid cloud]

Wdym auric players are bad
Since i broke through to auric I've had the most fun and success with my teams

[lapis raft]

yea i switched to knife from shivs most of the time it is, especially bceause of th push attack on mk6

[wind urchin]

Its a free weekend

Theres alot of new players

[muted pivot]

Auric is the sweet spot imo

[toxic dagger]

the attack speed and the anims definitely look like you're a cracked out bladedancer but I don't think the (mixed) horde ttk is anything to write home about lol

[wind urchin]

Don't be a dick to new players please

[dim moth]

okey

[hazy vector]

bruh, those players won't be playing auric as level 30

[lapis raft]

but also thats most just for dot build, i think if you dont go hard on dot then the lights on shivs being so much better makes big difference

[dim moth]

consider that cracked out attack speed

[dim moth]

97% crit chance on this with riposte on the shivs

[lapis raft]

as thats like the biggest differece between knife and shivs, most of stats on shivs are slightly worse except the light attack base damage

[dim moth]

(and crit stimm active)

[hazy vector]

nah, auric on average v ery competent, but not in this event

[dense hollow]

there's still a lot of new players from buying the game as soon as it went on discount, some just reaching level 30 and quickplaying into auric for the first time

[hazy vector]

it is as if people form lower diffs for some reason decided to do it on higher diff

[foggy lantern]

If you're doing a build that stacks on hit, shivs have the attack speed to make it work.

[dense hollow]

the easiest way to learn a new difficulty is to play on it

if you play on malice forever you'll never get out of malice

[torpid cloud]

Did you just have this in the chamber in case anyone mentions the idea

[winter galleon]

Knife chew crushers better too since doesnt have nerfed blessings… (yet)

[unreal stirrup]

giving up uncanny or flesh tearer lmao

[dim moth]

I have this in the chamber because this is how I just played shivs last match xd

[unreal stirrup]

fresh tearer is a lot of horde clear because it full stack regardless or cleave damage

[lapis raft]

i have 75% without stimm on knife and 90% wth stimm, no need for crit blessing its enough

with shiv that wuld be like 72.5%

[main trellis]

Do they have some hidden stats just like the knife does?

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/llG32AhZr5Z.gif

[unreal stirrup]

so even if you slightly tickle something it still apply 8 stack to them

[dim moth]

uncanny obviously

you have fucking 97% crit chance

stack toxin

[lapis raft]

you know that uncanny boosts toxin damage by quite a lot

[unreal stirrup]

ic

[main trellis]

Can’t wait for carapace adm nerf for toxin dot; ppl will be soo miserable

[torpid cloud]

Also are we complaining about how braindead ranged scum is
Cause like
I'm having a great time messing around with it

[main trellis]

(Its deserved tho; shit is op af)

[astral coral]

Wait so flesh tearer and toxin isn't better?

[spice cloud]

Forreal no reason to be mean

[main trellis]

Ppl complain for the sake of it

[astral coral]

Uncanny is better with high crit?

[lapis raft]

i use flesh tearer, uncanny and toxin

[spice cloud]

Everyone has to start somewhere

[fair oar]

Dual wield pistols is my dream for every shooter game. I am happy with scum

[lapis raft]

i dont think you need the crit blessing on scum

[astral coral]

What about my 20% crit after dodge blessing

More crot more dots

Grits

[dense hollow]

yeah i run into mechanically bad players all the time and that's okay, they quickplayed into auric for possibly the first time and are getting a shock of difficulty, i say gg at the end and just play alongside them

getting new players is always good

[astral coral]

Fuck mobile autocorrect

Crits

[main trellis]

GRITS

[astral coral]

Hive scrum Fastfood worker dlc

[lapis raft]

you can get 90% with stimm up without the blessing how much more crit do you need

[astral coral]

Scum*!!!!

[main trellis]

Mc Scum

[grand jewel]

CROTS

[astral coral]

But I'd rather take finesse for bosses than crit chance

[lapis raft]

but uncanny + crit stimm is way better than finesse stimm and crit blessing

no

like thats not close

[main trellis]

Uncanny only for bleed to do dmg

Might unironically use mercy killer flesh tearer with toxins

[torpid cloud]

I have the uh
40% finesse damage blessing on my shivs
Mulches quite nicely since I dodge constantly

[astral coral]

Take finesse stim too

Go nuts

Go dopey

[lapis raft]

and for toxin no

like should be big boost there too

[torpid cloud]

Nah my stimm is cooldown for more desoerado

I just have my shivs to have them

[astral coral]

Zzz

[main trellis]

Do you know the adm for toxins?

[astral coral]

Desperado mentioned

[hushed spear]

Any tips on completing the hive scum penance "brutal bludgeons" which melee weapon should I use?

[novel oracle]

lol

[vast yoke]

is nimble fixed yet

[torpid cloud]

You have your fun I have mine

[dim moth]

dog this shit sucks fuck outta here

[novel oracle]

no its not fixed cuz it wasnt broken

[vast yoke]

o

[main trellis]

Never needed fixing

[astral coral]

Fair. You're right

[lapis raft]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3586590987 from here no

[dim moth]

incredible fucking 20 damage boost from uncanny

[vast yoke]

then what were ppl waffling abt it halfing your iframes, just anecdotal data?

[dim moth]

I'm keeping my flesh tearer+riposte for tox thank you

[novel oracle]

theyre using the ranged dodge state
which doesnt consider dodge linger
which is what the talent increases

[echo python]

Heavy sword with deathblow

[torpid cloud]

That said I've been thinking of setting up a melee scum, only thing stopping me is brunt refusing to hand out more curios to me

[astral coral]

Isn't critting consistently more important for toxin?

[novel oracle]

it makes you dodge faster so the dodge ends sooner, so it makes you a little worse time wise against ranged, but SIGNIFICANTLY better against melee

[astral coral]

More crit = higher dots

[dense hollow]

nimble works as intended, i just use melee slide immunity to path down instead on my melee builds

[winter galleon]

I just dont like nimble i feel i die more with it so i just skip it

[dim moth]

also better against ranged because just like

dodge slide towards them

and shank them

[vast yoke]

hm i see

[winter galleon]

But its not bugged its just weird interaction

[main trellis]

Boi; adm for cara & unyielding is 0.9; there is your boost from uncanny - 10% + minor increase which might aswell not exist
So no; you only took uncanny to boost bleed dmg up cause adm for bleed on carapace is 0.25

[lapis raft]

well every new application will refresh all existing stacks

[hushed spear]

which version of the shivs is better?

[novel oracle]

its just people learning how fatshark coded how dodges work like 3 years ago

[torpid cloud]

For ranged just slide forreal

[lapis raft]

so you can do max stack with needle and then refresh with toxin on crit node forever

[dense hollow]

you can just stack with your throwing knives on big boys

[signal nebula]

Drills

[lapis raft]

yea that also works

[winter galleon]

Slide talent all need anyways. Its slidetide anyways

[lapis raft]

and then just refresh

[vast yoke]

corkscrews. the box cutters do have a single target combo enabled by PA-H-L-L but it's not very good, and its heavies are ok but too slow to maintain rampage. I guess in some universe they might be considered on Desperado or Crate builds but uh. mostly for fun since there are far better options for those two.

[main trellis]

On hive scum unironically it might be nice to take mercy killer instead of uncanny 🤔

[dim moth]

this universe

because the drills attack slower

so if you're spamming crits to stack toxin

drills are worse

[vast yoke]

They do?

[dim moth]

yeah

[vast yoke]

The lights are faster on box cutters?

[novel oracle]

i just do uncanny riposte for my ranged build safety melee and precog reposte on my melee build shivs

[dim moth]

Mk 3 shivs have faster lights yes

they also have more cleave

[signal nebula]

On my Rampage/Dependency build I take Flesh Tearer and Riposte, it never stops critting

on Desperado, i take uncanny/riposte

[vast yoke]

Ty for elite knowledge I will now enter your stomach through every orifice

[novel oracle]

what

[mossy tapir]

O shit for real?

[vast yoke]

Hi

[signal nebula]

hot

[mossy tapir]

I gotta get my shivs mastered

[main trellis]

Willing vore

[torpid cloud]

Did we let some sort of scp entity in here

[vast yoke]

i am a fig wasp wearing human clothing

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/warning-gif-15403397949888856290

[green granite]

LOVING dual auto pistols. short of carapace, these thing TEAR THROUGH anything i point them at. and between desperado stance, and pickpocket, i NEVER run out of ammo. like......its physically impossible to NOT have 2-3 mags worth of ammo at any given time.

with 660 ammo in reserve, one special or elite kill will make sure i have no less than 132 ammo in my reserve. and they have a mag cap of 72 rounds with ammo jack. Plus they have objectivelly the highest DPS.

now this does not mean i dont like th needler. the needler is GREAT anti elite and monstrosity. but lacks when facing large mobs. it would come down to changign your loadout to be needler + croud melee, OR dual auto pistols + elite melee.

i just prefer the auto pistols for 90% of the game. if mobs are dead, my team mates have more breathing room to take care of enemies i cannot

[main trellis]

Ah so you got fricked before you were even born; nice

[mossy tapir]

The fact you have that on hand is honestly crazier

[livid raven]

The sneedler

[dim moth]

alas without their krak grenade veteran how are the randoms ever going to kill that ONE crusher that has no other enemies near it

[torpid cloud]

Yah but stubs are cooler

[novel oracle]

youd be surprised how often i get to use it

[mossy tapir]

The chuckler

[dense hollow]

this is an impossible task

[novel oracle]

i hope you pair it with vultures mark

cuz its dopemangus with VM

[terse creek]

They dont, what you do is flame them after they die and don’t pick em up, then they will leave and instead you will get new teammates, ez way to replace people worst than bots

[fleet lantern]

It is done.

[dim moth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270272381401038858/1075571515652853860/Vore_citation.gif

here's a transparent one

[fleet lantern]

That's a good one.

[mossy tapir]

Holy shit

[terse creek]

Tf?

[terse creek]

Hold up; real question, why tf do you have this?

[main trellis]

It was me

[terse creek]

Willy, next time we play havoc, ima blow up a burster when it gets near you

[dim moth]

there's this guy on the friendgroup discord who is into vore

we make fun of him with it

[terse creek]

You know what, fair enough, I can respect that

[main trellis]

As long as hes ok with it
Pls no abuse

[terse creek]

No, bully him

[mossy tapir]

I was gonna say one of my friends has been jokingly mentioning vore these days

[novel oracle]

that seems like the kinda thing where if someone finds out you like it your life is just over at that point and youd just rate your shotgun based on mouthfeel

[dim moth]

I will doxx them you keep this up

[mossy tapir]

I hate that I have a use case for this

[dim moth]

literally everybody in that friendgroup is furries

freak shit is expected

[terse creek]

You see, we live in a world where there’s people weird enough to live up to the shame, somehow

[terse creek]

I’m sorry for your loss

[dim moth]

I am in that friendgroup

[main trellis]

Kurt Kobain style

[terse creek]

I am sorry about your parents dropping you in the floor of the hospital multiple times

[astral coral]

Don't have to they are Olympic long jump athletes now

[main trellis]

I don’t care

[main trellis]

Ye cause he a furry too

[terse creek]

While true, Willy is a capable havoc player, so I have to actively try to get him kill, BS alone won’t be enough

[green granite]

ofc. immortality with crits? dmg AND move steep? why wouldnt i?

[novel oracle]

Too many people take chem dep cuz "ooh cdr for more desperado!!"

Including youtubers
Who thinks ranged scum needs buffs

[terse creek]

That node goes hard with shredder auto gun tbh

[main trellis]

What if a person does not want it & does not like it but his body reacts

🤔

[fallen coyote]

Ranged scum does need buffs tho

[novel oracle]

It needs buffs from Australia

[dense hollow]

chem dependency is like such an easy 🎣, you put 3 nodes that don't benefit ranged and jingle keys and say it has 30% CDR and people gravitate to it like a pack of sheep

[grand jewel]

capable is a stretch

[green granite]

why? any scum build has plenty of room to grab sample collector? sure you only get 1% back instead of 2 on tox kill, but dual auto pistols MELT crowds. so it more than makes up for it. i never NOT have my stimm ready, and it feeds into my ult

[mossy tapir]

The only thing I like chem dependency for is chem fortified and a short cd stimm for another regular oh shit toughness button

[main trellis]

Cause it is

[fallen coyote]

Those just nerf your internet access if youre underage

[novel oracle]

No the keystone

[terse creek]

Why do people think gun scum is trash tho? Have they not seen havoc leaderboards when paired up with a psyker?

[novel oracle]

They havent

[main trellis]

Thats right; i’m old and i would rip

[fallen coyote]

Because players are ass

[grand jewel]

[terse creek]

Damn, @main trellis you gonna let him get away with that?

[fallen coyote]

Aka class weak obv

[main trellis]

I’m not flexible no more

[gray loom]

Rampage Scum my BELOVED

[novel oracle]

The only condition for ranged scum being ok and being great in havoc is knowing what the fuck to do and when

[astral coral]

Just stretch

Lmao

[main trellis]

It is what it is; truth is like a woman
Untouchable

[terse creek]

XD

[dim moth]

I take chem dep because of that :(

[grand jewel]

[dim moth]

well also the crit chance but like

:(

[gray loom]

I love taking my stim and popping rampage and just going on till the game refuses to give me more rampage time

[novel oracle]

You dont shoot that boss
You dont go near it
You screen for the people who can kill it faster

[novel oracle]

Yknow what also gives crit chance and desperado

Vultures mark

[dim moth]

it doesn't give more desperado you're LYIIIIIIIIIING

[terse creek]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-title-card-gif-7305420732249662630

Counter argument: I’m on so many drugs, that I feel:

[wise turtle]

I wonder what Asia server's opinion on Scum is

it doesn't have gold toughness

[novel oracle]

Yes it does
It gives you desperado outside of desperado

[wise turtle]

and it doesn't have bubble

[grand jewel]

or duelling sword

[dim moth]

how am I going to desperado like this

[wise turtle]

so I'm willing to bet they think it's shit like they did/do with Arb

[novel oracle]

Desperado squared

[wise turtle]

(even though pre-nerf shock mines were absurd in havoc)

[gray loom]

Guys. Hive scum doesnt do my taxes for me :( worthless class. Should have given us Skitarri fr fr

[fleet lantern]

Pair with the right stimm and you near 100% desperado uptime.

[grand jewel]

fine cole, ill Desperado 2 electric boogaloo later again

[fleet lantern]

All bullets. All the time.

[terse creek]

@novel oracle you’ve try desperado with shredder auto yet?

[novel oracle]

They do deathball which shock mines dont do well

[grand jewel]

haven't tried VM desperado with full points yet

[fallen coyote]

Arbi also needs a buff

[wise turtle]

Yeah Asia servers play very aggressively

[fallen coyote]

Toughness dmg reduction too low

[dim moth]

overrated for purple matches

[grand jewel]

still do, they think its useless and replaced by zealot and ogryn

[novel oracle]

In the psyk but not a real game
Looks like the same but with longer kill times but better accuracy

[dim moth]

oh GREAT the entire horde is bundled up!

so now Nobody can kill that purple crusher!

amazing ability

[terse creek]

That’s been my reason for wanting to use it mostly, feel more consistent to hit my shots, prob better to keep desperado up?

[wise turtle]

Give scum dual axes/cleavers and it will become good again

clearly

[wise turtle]

Figures lol

[gray loom]

Honestly. I would KILL for dual caxes on scum

[grand jewel]

arb minces armour and chews through twins, I still love taking it for the funny machinegun bonk build, so much so that every time I take it on asia servers in havoc people are like "what the hell is that build you're running"

[wise turtle]

dual caxes/taxes for scum is my dream

Let us become Slayer Bardin 2.0

[grand jewel]

I did the sick trick of selecting arbites and hitting the enemy

[terse creek]

Just throw a nade in there, duh

XD

[green granite]

yea, i know you meant the keystone, what i was saying is there is almost no reason to use that keystone. its hard to keep up because you have to either HYPER build into your stimms, AND use chem weapons almost exclusively AND no build a full stimm in the lab to keep the CD low. 30-40% CD that is almost NEVER all the way up is nothing compared to 1% feeding your stimm cooldown. then using your stimm to get 50%-125% CD for ult instead

the crit chance is actually nice, but you get the same crit bonus from vultures mark at base, and dont need to take an extra node to get it. and toughness regen? piss off. ill take ACTUAL IMMORTALITY over MAYBE 10%-15% toughness regen

[wise turtle]

lmao

[mossy tapir]

I was kinda hoping for some kind of Chem thrower/stolen tox flamer but needler was really nice

[wise turtle]

Needler is indeed very nice

[mossy tapir]

Fuck you now I'm the tox bomber

[novel oracle]

On day 1 I loaded into the only active havoc server which was Hong Kong as hive scum and they accepted me
Played 1 game where I was the last alive cuz I'm fucking ranged scum lol
But I do go down trying to rez then they ask if I can swap to soldier with smokes

[wise turtle]

esp since Scum seems to be several 40k hiver archetypes rolled into one

[gray loom]

I just wanna hit people with dual axes while absolutely high on that good good juice

[wise turtle]

CLASSIC

[terse creek]

lol, that’s actually funny

[green granite]

holy crap. i had a stroke. this is the EXACT conversations i saw when arbites was released

[wise turtle]

Asia servers (in this game and others) tend to be very rigid in what they do/don't allow in their lobbies

[green granite]

word for word the same convos

[wise turtle]

lmao

[kind mist]

Dual axes - Granted but they don't have brutal momentum.

[grand jewel]

the most meta slaves that could slave

[wise turtle]

It's okay, we have our cleave talents

[gray loom]

I will take that deal tbh

[terse creek]

It’s why sometimes asia servers have some of the best players, look at leage of legends(yes I know, kill me, XD)

[zinc heath]

I am guessing you talking about havoc ? Feels like i am dodging a bullet by touching havoc at all and just staying in auric. Playing in asia

[wise turtle]

Same

[compact oyster]

welcome back slayer bardin

[gray loom]

I just wanna heavy attack charge two axes on rampage

[mossy tapir]

Okay but hear me out:

Dual Crowbars

[wise turtle]

Yeah, I'd be curious to see what their winrates are

[grand jewel]

hear me out, 4 shivs

[wise turtle]

FS has to have that data

I'm willing to bet it's higher than NA... but the question is, is it more fun playing that way?

[mossy tapir]

Shivs between each finger like a drugged out wolverine

[wise turtle]

fuck it, claws

[novel oracle]

Yeah I overall think chem dep sucks and it shoulda been stim regen rate basically

[grand jewel]

no, theyre so mad about it

[wise turtle]

Pretty sure some necromunda minis have claws

[wise turtle]

Wait really

[compact valley]

How’s the class

[wise turtle]

LOL

Incredible

[frigid basalt]

Chempendency is weird

[terse creek]

Good 👌

[frigid basalt]

in theory it should be OP

[compact oyster]

being forced to make worse stims so you can have actual dependency stack generation

[compact valley]

Good cause I named mine sniffer of ass

[mossy tapir]

Actually wait fuck yeah that would fix a lot of shit

[wise turtle]

Reminds me of when Japanese and Korean players get super mad whenever gaijin outscore them in gacha

[compact valley]

Is the med crate thing good?

[mossy tapir]

Synergy with stimm supply, you can take the cdr stimm for cdr

[brittle ferry]

I FUCKING HATE GAIJIN

[novel oracle]

ALMOST LIKE ITS IN THE NAME

[frigid basalt]

realistically no

[wise turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/hayase-yuuka-blue-archive-desk-slam-anger-gif-9924102004262469214

[novel oracle]

ALMOST LIKE THATS WHAT WE PROPOSED IT AS

[compact valley]

F

[frigid basalt]

in terms of performance, it's the same as having infinite stim

[wise turtle]

LMAO

[frigid basalt]

and that's absolutelt viable in auric

[wise turtle]

I'm saving that

[mossy tapir]

FUUUUUUUUUCK

[frigid basalt]

and even into like havoc 10~

[dense hollow]

i used chem dependency on a melee build and it's like honestly not worth it there either since im hurting for more toughness regen and adrenaline surge provides it, the 15% extra crit on a tacaxe is good but 25% melee dmg and 10% attack speed means you're doing better dmg overall and the toughness node is a better cushion

[compact oyster]

coincidentally also the most toxic servers

[frigid basalt]

I love chemdep for fun

[terse creek]

Are you not running the two nodes directly under rampage? Usually that’s more than enough

[novel oracle]

The 25% damage is a huge boost cause of how much power you have

[brittle ferry]

Thays fucking wild

[frigid basalt]

really lets you go into that whole "always juiced on something" vibe

[grand jewel]

all because I said he can tell me how to play when he's not first to die

[frigid basalt]

if you're not in rampage you're on chems

if you're not on chems you're in rampage

[gray loom]

Hopefully once FS fixes a lot of the problems with the perks not functioning and the trees a bit, scum will be ever cooler

[wind crane]

lmao wtf

[gray loom]

(All the toxic perks are all clumped together and it annoys me)

[brittle ferry]

Imo hive scum should be able to dodge through enemies like handmaiden can

[dense hollow]

i am, but i mean the comparison between 5% toughness regen and 15% TDR and i think the toughness regen is more valuable from my experience?

[zinc heath]

I play in asia but only hangs around damnation and auric so skill level vary but one thing i can tell is that just like other team games. asia players are all very Me focused. Like almost every auric game, there is one player or more who is either far ahead of us and just doing their own thing. When there is 3 players like that, it is me who is getting left behind trying to get diamante and having to fend for myself while others just kills the one in front of them and ignore the rest lol

[wise turtle]

Imagine being able to slide through enemies

[grand jewel]

zealot stealth should be able to go through enemies like shade

[gray loom]

Fat shark on their way to put every single chem stack perk on the bottom right tree.

[brittle ferry]

Agreed

[wise turtle]

Yep, that sounds familiar lol

Asian players in NA servers play the same way

[brittle ferry]

Honestly, they should just give us Kerillian as her own class

[mossy tapir]

I hate that I dont even take half the chem tox talents in that clump because they either dont do that much or theyre just really inconsistent to activate

[dense hollow]

you play havoc 40 and i don't so we could differ there, would you find 15% TDR more valuable or 5% toughness regen per second?

[gray loom]

I am just saying, FS should give us a Tau class. I am unbiased :)

[mossy tapir]

Situational Chem tox talents in the Chem tox talent island

[brittle ferry]

Personally, id take TDR

Dont need to regenerate it as fast if you dont lose as much

[frigid basalt]

TDR sounds better

[terse creek]

They both arent bad choices, but I personally don’t run the 5% a sec cause usually there’s one random enemy shooting at me, be it havoc or auric, so I always am getting that 30% over 3 seconds

[frigid basalt]

the top toughness regen node is usually enough

[grand jewel]

you can do it buddy

[dense hollow]

this is a good point, im still experimenting with both actively and trying to get more games in

i unlocked havoc 16 and want to start doing havocs and push myself to do better

[grand jewel]

16 is a nice starting point

[brittle ferry]

Havoc is fun. If you can find yourself a good team. Otherwise its a slog.

An unfun slog

[grand jewel]

even into 20s they're not too bad when you're getting used to havoc

[terse creek]

Def start doing em, they are quite fun imo, the most fun the game has

[crimson harness]

20-25 and 30-35 havoc walls

Without dedicated team

[terse creek]

Even if it can be bs at times

[main trellis]

L
ChD is good even on 75s stimm
All you have to do is… kill… duh
15% tdr is what HS needs
15% crit chance is perfect for many weapons and is a nice alternative for adrenaline keystone if not better in some weapon choices
30% cdr is good too; stacks with cdr from stimm if you so wish and you can get your rampage back very fast (vultures obviously is better than ChD if we talk about pure range build but for melee, hybrids & support builds its still a very solid choice)

[frigid basalt]

havoc 20 is kinda of the speed bumps

[grand jewel]

plenty of people here would be down to play with you, that seems to be a better experience always, over the slop that is party finder

[frigid basalt]

yeah without a good team havoc 20+ is just painful

[grand jewel]

20 and 30 yeah

emp fading light 1 and 2

[frigid basalt]

you will get people who still run fucking wound curios

so it's best to find a team

[dense hollow]

i've performed well with both adrenaline and dependancy and still don't know which one i gravitate more towards on a melee build

[terse creek]

Honestly, talk to Willy, he prob will happily take you to 30 or 40 without hesitation, XD

[brittle ferry]

Woah, dont hate on wound curious. I run them on my havoc 40 build and do just fine. Albeit it is shouty zealot so im purely a support with a hammer.

[main minnow]

Okay I can no longer overlook this

Hive Scum's Auras suck ass

seriously can anyone tell them apart on your buff bar?

[grand jewel]

do hate on wound curios, the only time you should ever run them is on Martyrdom zealot

[dense hollow]

@main trellis extended me an invitation to do some havocs but idk if he's still down to do them

[main trellis]

What melee you use?
Do you use alot of toxins?

[crimson harness]

Any good recommendations about doing toxic melee-stimm supply build? I'm a bit troubled with talent distribution

[lavish forge]

anyone else having a glitch where the blind grenades just keep throwing even when you only press it once?

[brittle ferry]

Thats exactly what I run them on lol

[grand jewel]

well include that

gremlin

[dense hollow]

tac axe, rashad, crowbar, bone saw but im usually including blackouts with chem on blitz

[brittle ferry]

I did!

[dense hollow]

those are the options i've used the "most" so far

[terse creek]

If you a zealot, wound curios are cool, if not, you trolling

[main trellis]

I’m still at work & waiting for a package…
Then i meet with friend so i will be back maybe… in 6 - 7h home

[stark otter]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-gif-6854484037844207749

[astral sundial]

Pickpocket unlocked. Time for INFINITE ammo

XDD

[brittle ferry]

Shouty zealot, with fire nades and a thunder hammer

[terse creek]

He will def get you in there, I’d be down to join you in the havoc climb but sadly, I got some pc problems I’m troubleshooting

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-what-insomnia-no-sleep-gif-13337078

[terse creek]

pain

[crimson harness]

3 Wound curio zealot without martyrdom

[brittle ferry]

Its zealot so implied

[terse creek]

Well, that’s on me for not being specific

[grand jewel]

im down to help people in havoc 20s

[main trellis]

Well
If taxe & bonesaw; ChD
Rest is Adrenaline
There you go

[grand jewel]

is a chill ass time

I get to kill daemonhosts for the thrill

[frigid basalt]

you run adrenaline?

[brittle ferry]

Honestly I could get on and do some havocs

I'll bring me mallet

[dense hollow]

yeah i've felt this, ChD on tac axe is super nutty

[main trellis]

He likes hunting bitches
He should be in the middle ages

[frigid basalt]

I feel like none of the sub-nodes of adrenaline seem good

[terse creek]

For zealot? Depends my builds, usually my H40 go to is book, knife, adrenaline(that’s the crit one right?)

[calm aurora]

nop

[frigid basalt]

scum

[main trellis]

Blazing piety

[calm aurora]

blazing piety

[frigid basalt]

the scum keystone

[terse creek]

Right, I can’t recall the name out the top of my mind

[main trellis]

They are good but only some

[frigid basalt]

that's what I"m confused on though

[crimson harness]

Smiter makes building up stacks a lot faster, while Stocked rage gives a better uptime

[frigid basalt]

in theory at higher difficulties

[main trellis]

Its ok; everyone gets old eventually

[frigid basalt]

hitting crits and 30 enemies? like 4 swings max

[kind mist]

You pick one of the nodes to manage adrenaline stacks and then 5% toughness/s

[frigid basalt]

does adrenaline reset if you hit max stacks during the rage?

or do you only build stacks again after the rage ends

[crimson harness]

Adrenaline unbound is useful but you can spend this point sometimes on better things

[drowsy relic]

Are you using guaranteed weapon swap by chance?

[terse creek]

OH, right, for my go to scum build that I’m still tweaking and building, yeah, with the node directly under it and the one to the left of that one

[dense hollow]

the adrenaline reactivates, back to full duration

[lavish forge]

yes

ty

[drowsy relic]

Update it

[lavish forge]

ty

[frigid basalt]

so in theory owuldn't that make most of the nodes kinda not do much?

since at high enough enemy density you just trigger it non stop

[dense hollow]

you really can't, trust me i've tried

you need atleast one of them

adrenaline smiter is my choice

[winter galleon]

someone smarter then me want to tell me what to change to get pocket toxins here?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a083b09a-d2f2-44ac-a211-369becf76c68/so-anyways

[grand jewel]

real

send me back

[calm aurora]

adrenaline you take the tg gen node and the one giving you more stacks if you kill and elite

[crimson harness]

Without smiter you will have a downtime, with smiter you simply won't. Argument can be made is to pick smiter but not pick Stocked rage. This needs testing however

[dense hollow]

i don't use stoked rage with smiter, you get 8-9 kills super fast to reactivate it

[brittle ferry]

I do wish the dual shivs had a better hit box so I could stab people easier

[dense hollow]

it'll run out between packs though

without stoked rage

[calm aurora]

this one probably

[crimson harness]

Yes, so it's kinda useful, but if there anyway you can spend one point that would be better in comparison - go for it. Smiter really feels as an auto pick

[kind mist]

I prefer assassin

[dense hollow]

assassin is fine too

and works into monstrosities if you're it's target

[calm aurora]

smiter is very nice with brutal momentum

[frigid basalt]

Holy

my havoc rank as dropped all the way back to 1 after not playing it for so long

[dense hollow]

if you recomplete an auric mael does it put you back in h16 instantly

or does the boost only work once

[frigid basalt]

idk

[astral sundial]

Could lacerate/Mercykiller work on the shivs?

[frigid basalt]

could

[calm aurora]

lacerate is non wp hits, mercy killer is wp hits

[brittle ferry]

Yes

[calm aurora]

you need to do both

[frigid basalt]

but uncanny and riposte is just better since lacerate requires non head hits

you COULD get good at it but eh

just easier to run uncanny riposte

[calm aurora]

procog / riposte / uncanny are a safer bet

[astral sundial]

Dunno, i think could be fun to make a heavy target bleed immensely and then gib it with one weakspot hit

XD

[frigid basalt]

wait, which one was riposte?

finesse or crit?

[green granite]

Just want to leave this nugget here for any dual auto pistol enjoyers
On gun
10% reload on perk
5% crit perk
Blaze away blessing (+40% strength)
Speedload blessing (50% reload speed)

Talents
Sticky hands for more accuracy, reduced recoil, and faster weapon swap speed (makes it damn near a laser)
Speedloader for 30% faster reloader
float like a butterfly to give it 20% more crit chance

take all the dodge crap that is common for dodge/stamina regen feedback loop

end result? up to 90% reload speed and 55% crit chance while firing.

[frigid basalt]

I'm uuuuh

[calm aurora]

10% reload on perk
5% crit perk

no

[frigid basalt]

Not entirely sure using the perk for 10% reload and 5% crit is worth it

[astral sundial]

I think i might try that, lol

[frigid basalt]

if you're already getting all that reload and crit from... talents

because the flank and maniac damage is 25% and that's.... a lot

[calm aurora]

there's diminishing returns

[frigid basalt]

also the pinned build for desperado already runs those talents. I don't want to be mean but it's kinda common knowledge for autopistols

[thick hornet]

Does anyone ever use All or Nothing on a weapon?

[astral sundial]

Interesting...

So either my game is bugging, or the throwing toxin on the shivs disables bleed

[crimson harness]

Is there any kind of general consensus on how to build Cartel special for a Stimm Supply purpose?

[calm aurora]

yes but not on scum

you gain stam too fast not make use of it

[thick hornet]

Depends
You want to be a Chem Bomber or you want to be the local drug dealer

[astral sundial]

it actualy does lol

wild

[north plank]

byouaful....

[supple trellis]

i dunno.. speed + rending str? Or Str + Toughness for support

[thick hornet]

You have as many pixels as there are primarchs

[astral sundial]

But yeah no, lacerate and mercykiller does a LOT less damage

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/denis-cutty-denis-cutty-wise-the-wire-avon-barksdale-wee-bay-gif-9815902483217810915

[astral sundial]

gonna swap back

[crimson harness]

A bit more specific mate? I want to hear and try different options

[thick hornet]

You want CD reduction instead
Lower CD means more piss toughness and so on

[dim moth]

these are not mutually exclusive

remember that stimm supply starts your stimm cooldown instantly

rather than having to wait for the stimm to run out

[crimson harness]

It would be great to build a specific support Stimm Supply for a dedicated team

If I had one

Something more general for quickplays is more realistic

[tight musk]

Honestly think stimm should just work this way all the time.

[thick hornet]

I do CD Reduction and the Speed path

You have to debate on having a lower powered stimm to have faster cooldown with the perk OR a big stimm

[crimson harness]

I think Attack speed and Strength should be somewhat more consistent with randoms? I just wonder about the choose about the choice at the end

[dim moth]

big stimm is also not going to have that long of a cooldown because sample collector

[thick hornet]

The Toughness path I'd do in a preplanned match with say, a lot of gunners and ranged units. You'd want to stack the damage decreases.

[crimson harness]

You are a quick one, nice

[thick hornet]

Sure but if you want to bomb more, a smaller stimm would be better

Would you rather have middling buffs and more booms or big buffs with less booms
Or no booms because the perk is eh

[dense hollow]

if you're running stimm supply just to bomb you basically just spend 1 point on the stimm

[dim moth]

7 tox stacks kills any enemy that is not an ogryn

and leaves reapers/bulwarks on death's door

[crimson harness]

I think ceiling of 70% viscosity should be fine?

[thick hornet]

It's decent, just requires timing that you may not be able to do