hivescum-class

[novel oracle]

its a new blessing cuz they still spent the time to make that lmao

[calm aurora]

wth

[novel oracle]

they could have just
not done that

thats still dev time lol

[glad latch]

Probably took them all of their lunchbreak to make.

[toxic dagger]

Ok thanks boss

[unkempt tide]

the scummer weapon blessings overall seem pretty mid

[toxic dagger]

Yeah but i get the feeling there's something about the way blessings are set up in the backend that they legitimately hate working on

[glad latch]

No but seriously it would be nice if every weapon had unique blessings that fit the weapon, even a single unique blessing would be nice to see.

[toxic dagger]

It's always a pain in the ass

[balmy radish]

what do you think how flawed is this class

[sturdy linden]

btw, does Sticky Hands actually increase recoil? Saw it floating around somewhere

idk if true or not

(on uzis)

[novel oracle]

it doesnt

[sturdy linden]

thanks

[random shuttle]

I should become a VibeTiders and spread all kind of zany misinfo.

[novel oracle]

theres a lot of mechanics and design decisions in the tree that basically warrant another go in the easy bake oven

[random shuttle]

Here's a sample:

• Rampage gives 80% Rending when standing still but nobody found out because nobody is standing still.
• Desperado is BEST on Vigilant Autoguns.
• Toughness Stimms buff boss damage, secretly.

[novel oracle]

mostly things like pickpocket and vultures dodge needing tweaks, and the crate, stim, and chem dep getting a very hard pass

[balmy radish]

the Special kit sucks that it does not give you a stack of alchenical dependency just why

[novel oracle]

thatll get fixed later

its not intentional

but when it does get fixed the crate and chem dep still dont mix well

[glad latch]

https://tenor.com/view/trololo-hi-gif-5030223

[balmy radish]

how so by desperado with vags?

[sturdy linden]

it would be so cool if they fix that this week

then I can swap my tox/bleed build to chem dep instead of Adrenaline

[sturdy linden]

where is Gun Psyker Enjoyer

I must thank them for this bleed/tox shivs setup

it was too fucking fun

[dense hollow]

i have stockholm syndrome from arbitrator and expect things to be ironed out within next month or two and just expect classes to release with atleast some broken nodes

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-blunders-gif-24186536

[novel oracle]

cuz the core of chem dep gives ability cooldown reduction
but you get your ability back when you get a stim, which youre using crate for the stim effects
so whats the point of the core of chem dep when the bottleneck is the stim

they dont have antisynergy anymore when the bug is fixed
but they still dont have synergy

[balmy radish]

gives the whole group attack speed

[novel oracle]

how does the chemical dependency keystone give the whole group attack speed

[radiant cosmos]

Is there a scum melee with actual stagger that's not crowbar

[novel oracle]

chainaxe lmao

dclaw on parry lmao

[glad latch]

the arby still has a dead keystone they did nothing about

[balmy radish]

the crate but f that cause i use the stim before to get my dependency stacks

[novel oracle]

tac axe but this is a real answer

taxe and its deceptive stagger

[radiant cosmos]

Everything returns to tacaxe

[novel oracle]

pa/heavies stagger ragers and maulers out of all of their attacks

[balmy radish]

slaps you with the stub pistols

[novel oracle]

and taxe with bm and hyperviolence goes more stupid than me

[dense hollow]

that keystone is just a design issue so it doesnt matter if it works correctly or not

[main trellis]

Hammerblow

[balmy radish]

which one

[rustic lava]

Here are the 4 new blessing that are unique to the scum weapons

[main trellis]

Isnt hyperviolence bugged?

[glad latch]

Terminius warrant. It's dogwater.

[random shuttle]

Born in Blood ain't unique.

[novel oracle]

youre thinking of hyper crit

[main trellis]

Wrong; shock & awe isvon Thammer
Superiority is on force swords

[balmy radish]

superiority isn't unique either

[radiant cosmos]

what's the other blessing other than BM on taxe again? Also the usual Flak/Carapace right?

[novel oracle]

(assuming that chem dep is fixed to work with crate)
but the crate needs the stim to give those effects
chem dep gives the crate faster, but not the stim

[novel oracle]

headtaker

[glad latch]

I hope they'll go and remake it eventaully.

[rustic lava]

Okay so its only 1

[novel oracle]

wait holy shit you may be able to pull off bm shred
itd be worse out of rampage but better during it

hm

i think ht would be more consistent

[main trellis]

Consuming stimm while using the crate should be fixed

[radiant cosmos]

Shred also plays nicely with the toxin on crit talent but not sure how much that's good

[novel oracle]

yes they knew it before launch lol

itll happen soon

the crate consuming the stim was literally added on nov 27th

[balmy radish]

i used it only for the penance normally i run either execution order or forcefull

[dense hollow]

i think you can afford to lose bromentum on tacaxe with the cleave nodes since tacaxe isnt cleaving that much anyway with bromentum

[glad latch]

Yeah same. Did penance, never used it again.

[main trellis]

Oh ye btw Cole; try Dclaw with hammerblow on rampage; you stunlock maulers & put them on the ground
Can interrupt crusher overheads too

[novel oracle]

im not doing that

[balmy radish]

my fav scum path is the gunslinger beside nade there i take rocket launcher instead

[novel oracle]

i might try dc7 scum tho

thatll be funny

LOTS of cleave

[main trellis]

You’re loss; i have a build that is soo silly it works - will take it to havoc 40 once i climb up there… again

[random shuttle]

[main trellis]

Use mk4

[novel oracle]

true
we need to nerf psyker

[main trellis]

Mk7 unironically is the worst cause no carapace combo

[balmy radish]

give me my dot sword

[random shuttle]

@toxic dagger https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1ph3iql/well_this_explains_a_lot/

[balmy radish]

like siennas firesword

[spare glen]

light heavy light light heavy light light heavy

[novel oracle]

i have that mod
heres an example

this red line is the radius

i died to this burster

in the very next frame

[random shuttle]

yeah same

[main trellis]

Its… worse than light loop on mk1

[random shuttle]

and Ive seen others post such things

but FS says there is no change to bursters?

SUSSY

BAKA

[abstract lichen]

Sus

[compact oyster]

Might be server issues then

[dense hollow]

are the differences really that big, i use mk4 on veteran plenty of times for flavour and style but its not like you're really doing much to carapace with any of them

[balmy radish]

i think there is some big with char size or something

[balmy radish]

dclaw?

[main trellis]

Looks like latency issue

[dense hollow]

yeah dclaw

[abstract lichen]

Maybe they changed the server logic for aoes

[main trellis]

On HS it makes alot of difference
Cause you spam lights on rampage

[balmy radish]

... since duelsword change why even using dclaw...

[novel oracle]

huh????

[compact oyster]

Scum dodges being bugged dogs being bugged bursters bugged

[dense hollow]

because i use other weapons than the dueling sword? i use double barrel too on veteran if that irks you

over plasma gun

[vocal saffron]

yam or colke

[novel oracle]

true i should just do ds4 on scum instead

[compact oyster]

Push attack light light

[vocal saffron]

do u have a rampage chem dependency build

[main trellis]

As in; not good enough in comparrison; corrected myself

[compact oyster]

Or push attack heavy light

[unkempt tide]

Just use heavy sword

Ez clap

[compact oyster]

I dont run dependancy

I use adrenaline

[balmy radish]

i use axes, chovels powerswords... anything that can deal with armor and by guns i use bolter, autogun and lasguns

[novel oracle]

parry light light results in a parry, stab, then overhead

[vocal saffron]

need dependency

for penances

[ancient basin]

crit-build chem tox mk4 devilclaw

[ancient basin]

this crits just for chem stacks and ignoring the armor bounce off animation

[terse creek]

Def been seing a rise of the devil claw once again

[main trellis]

Or try mk1’s light att loop; with the att spd from rampage you… delete everything

Like srsly

[balmy radish]

i dislike Shotguns beside the slug or precision arbiter one in this game

[main trellis]

Ok thats good

[ancient basin]

only thing is I vastly prefer the extra dodge mobility on the shivs

[main trellis]

What i use but mk1 instead; better single target dmg

[ancient basin]

or I would go mk4 dclaw

[main trellis]

Used that before until i tested other marks and stumbled upon mk1… shit is underrated

[novel oracle]

the mk7 light combo is very very similar

[pulsar aspen]

The most difficult part of climbing back to H40 are the random crashes where we get removed from the mission while still missing a deployment charge afterwards.

[ancient basin]

yeah, hive scum attack speed makes all swing patterns moot, you just spam lights to victory mostly

[main trellis]

Mk7 has 2 vanguards; mk1 has 1 in a loop

[vocal saffron]

@compact oyster what's ur adrenaline rampage build

[main trellis]

As remember that is

[novel oracle]

and youd be light spam for group clear anyway

[ancient basin]

doesnt matter if it only hits one guy, I swing 4 times in a second

[compact oyster]

At the gym right now so ill post later

[vocal saffron]

kills u.

[main trellis]

Yes but mk1 offers faster single target dmg due to that

[narrow dagger]

so is this a ui bug or is the crit bonus actually not there

[light linden]

Another day. Another hope of a patch that makes Chemical Addiction trigger off of Stimm Supply!

[main trellis]

Thats why mk1 > mk7 for HS specifically

[novel oracle]

what are you doing single target damage into for that long with all of these buffs

[vocal saffron]

boss

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-love-hi-bye-cat-gif-5711781834381685182

[terse creek]

Wonder, has anyone tried combat blade on scum yet?

[pulsar aspen]

He's just hacking away at the boss

[novel oracle]

mk7 has the significantly higher parry damage and better post parry attacks

[random shuttle]

yes

[vocal saffron]

yah but i dont have to interact w the parry mechanic

parry and get launched so attack wiffs

[narrow dagger]

Im sure combat blade would do very well if focusing on all the dodge+crit talents

[vocal saffron]

parry but a poxxie hits u in the horde and u eat a full attack

[spare glen]

you’re asking yam????

[terse creek]

It’s all about the timing 👌

[balmy radish]

how compared to shivs

[vocal saffron]

press parry and because this game just kinda stinks w detecting inputs sometimes nothin happens

[novel oracle]

you have block frames for .2 seconds after the initial hit

[dense hollow]

nah i haven't yet, i might try to use the push stab knife mark and make a rampage build

[compact oyster]

Actualy when i was leveling scum dclaw was quite useful for its parries

[dense hollow]

but idk yet

[vocal saffron]

if u parry most bosses they push you away from them

[spare glen]

that has nothing to do with what i said

[vocal saffron]

depending on the angle your attack will almost always wiff

[main trellis]

Its Dclaw lmao; as for parry ye but sometimes its better not to risk an overhead parry when you face multiple threats at once; sometime its better just to spam & dodge

[novel oracle]

overhead
oh so crushers and maulers?

[narrow dagger]

Does anyone know whether it is a bug that there is no crit bonus or if it is there but not showing?

[terse creek]

It’s what I’ve been thinking, plus as much as I like shivs, combat blade is still so fun to use

[novel oracle]

just spam heavies with a weapon that doesnt have only cleaving heavies like the mk1 does

[spare glen]

you can only lead a horse to water cole

[cedar cairn]

This penance is gonna fuckin kill me

[woeful hill]

Use tactical axe

[main trellis]

Tried it; it wastes your rampage if you have no chaf to hit - that augment would have been soo much better if it wasn’t not working below 50% timer

[woeful hill]

I got it in 3 missions

[leaden adder]

have a low viscosity so you can stim frequently

[pulsar aspen]

@cedar cairn Reminds me of the Gunlugger Penance.

[fast gust]

Use taxe or hsword

[compact oyster]

Didnt mean to reply to you

Go away stinklord

[fast gust]

Noobato missclick

[leaden adder]

Also what is the difference between critical "hit" chance and critical "strike" chance if there is any?

Kinda confused by some of the talents

[woeful hill]

Nothing

Just

[leaden adder]

Ok thanks

[random shuttle]

Fatshark just cares about its community and so, they write horrible text for their talents, blessing and so on, so a thriving community of people explaining shit can blossom.

[woeful hill]

In some context it might mean melee or ranged crits

[main trellis]

Used that with mk4; it makes you lose your rampage faster if you have no chaf to hit due to windup

[dense hollow]

in the context of hyper critical where it says critical strikes it only works on melee crits

[pulsar aspen]

They may also create talents that disable your toughness regeneration talents 🙂

[dense hollow]

crit hit is just increasing your crit chance with everything

[compact oyster]

Hyper critical on stub pistols would be genuinely insane

[novel oracle]

the st combo is also light>heavy>light on mk7 so if you wanted uptime on crushers thats how

[terse creek]

That talent is extremely conditional, while it can be easily kept up all time on a havoc game, is it really worth the trouble of bothering with its gimmick?

[radiant cosmos]

is there a lore reason why my teammates on tank mission can't horde clear any of the armored groaners

[leaden adder]

Is the context with float like a butterfly the same?

Seems like a melee talent from the image?

[balmy radish]

looks at the suboptimal weapon choices

[main wagon]

Same reason that the scab gunner calls the artillery instead of the bomber smh

[novel oracle]

its there to give some big juice to weapons bad at armor when you need it

[pulsar aspen]

@radiant cosmos There is a lore reason, its called skill issue.

[toxic dagger]

Strike is implied to be a melee attack but they're not consistent about it

[main trellis]

Its an option; i found mk1 light spam better due to rampage extension which is the core of your melee power + you save a talent point for smth else
If it had no limit for timer then hell ye but… it does and its bad due to it cause heavies are not fast enough to keep you above 50% if you face many elites which you cannot cleave

[leaden adder]

Awesome

[toxic dagger]

Because they're not consistent about anything

[dense hollow]

float like a butterfly applies to all crit chance

[terse creek]

That’s a big fat lie and you know it
They are very consistent at being inconsistent

[vernal sluice]

He got you there

[leaden adder]

Vultoprene?

Sorry for all the questions but it's kinda hard to make a ranged crit build if I have no idea what the words actually mean.

[ancient basin]

is hyper critical still disabling your toughness gain from precision violence?

[dense hollow]

yeah it is

[balmy radish]

which meele or gun from hivescum do you want the most to get a buff no general weapons...

[ancient basin]

good thing I took it off

[terse creek]

Yup

[woeful trellis]

"vultoprene" is the name of a fictional drug, like "super cocaine"

[vernal sluice]

No offense but is it really necessary to understand every gaga word you come accross

[dense hollow]

critical strike chance just means crit hit in all cases where you get more crit strike chance

[main trellis]

Sounds like a medical lubricant for osteoporosis

[dense hollow]

its just hyper critical wants to be weird and specify melee hits by saying critical strikes

[leaden adder]

Thanks for the explanation

[ancient basin]

critical "strikes" lol wtf fat shark

[compact oyster]

If you think about it top right stim lab is flakka and bottom right stim lab is speed

[ancient basin]

but anyways, I dont feel any noticable difference without hyper critical on my melee build so

attack speed and toughness, my beloved

I would take more attack speed, but I think I hit a cap at some point

[main trellis]

Base stamina & rampage are usually enough; no need for more

[pulsar aspen]

The noticable difference right now is that it disables Precision Violence and Voice of Tertium.

[rose flax]

Huh, for some reason swift endurance stacks in match is 8 but in meat grinder, it's 9, I have +3 stamina curio and +2 on shivs, that's the amount that was shown when I had +2 stamina curio too

[dense hollow]

base stamina isnt enough on the tacaxe for me

[thorn prawn]

It feels so weird to use the bottom right branch, since that means you'll only be stimming while your ability is on cooldown.
Weird how our abilities don't go on cooldown until after it's finished.

[dense hollow]

so i always take a +3 stamina

i dont leave home without it on this class

[ancient basin]

yeah, I use the attack speed stim to cover for after rampage ends and I am still in melee somehow

[novel oracle]

real and true

[ancient basin]

I dont have any +3 stam curios yet

I dont havoc though so that is probably limiting that anyways

[pulsar aspen]

So, 1x Stamina and 2x Toughness?

[thorn prawn]

The classic

[pulsar aspen]

I see.

[main trellis]

Everyone has their preferences; i prefer not to die like many HS ppl do & i stack toughness

[terse creek]

You and me both, +3 stam gang

[main trellis]

Despite the best stamina synergy i still did not even thought of using even 1 stamina curio… yet atleast

[dense hollow]

this is valid, 2 toughness with +toughness on curios is enough to get me to 180 toughness in aurics and i feel its good enough for me to not fold

[main trellis]

Cause toughness is king

[thorn prawn]

Won't need toughness if you don't get hit, right?

[lapis raft]

you lose 1 stack as soon as you are not at completely full stamina from what i've tested

oh forgot to reply

[lapis raft]

here

[terse creek]

Hey, you seen the build I talked with you, don’t discredit stam Willy!

[main trellis]

Ah auric; see i speak from havoc standpoint but valid take

[lapis raft]

so without stamina curio that i refuse to use because i dotn need it i just dropped swift endurance

[dense hollow]

i want to actually play havoc tbh i need to start doing it

[main trellis]

Thats correct; you need that extra stamina so you can sprint faster to your grave

[thorn prawn]

It's much better this season, you'll love it

Last season was cancer

[ancient basin]

https://tenor.com/view/kyoshi-gif-25351466

the true use of stamina

[terse creek]

Last I remember, you died many times on a normal auric game with 3 toughness curios, HMMMMM

[main trellis]

Can do tonight maybe? I’m 31 tho i just did a 30 after reset rank

[rose flax]

I'm at full stamina though

[lapis raft]

thats odd then

[rose flax]

What's weird is inventory stats mod says the same

[main trellis]

BS is the main killer for experienced players

[last kelp]

What if dual needle pistols

[woeful trellis]

that means 3 toughness curios is better than 2, because if you're dying a bunch with 3 then 2 is gonna be even worse!

[terse creek]

that or a teammate purposely setting you up to fail, XD

[thorn prawn]

Like FatFish accidentally breaking the game and now poxbursters will hurt you even outside its radius

[toxic dagger]

sweet thats good to know

I got tired of the super long slog matches last season

[lapis raft]

you can get +3 on 400 curio?

[main trellis]

Ay; one teammate dodged into me while sniped and the sniper shot overpenetrated & hit us both; the dodge spd on HS can be a detriment

[main wagon]

Any +3 stam below 410 is fake

[terse creek]

Remind me to do that to you next time we hit a havoc game

[main wagon]

Shows up in Psyk but not in regular game

It's a cruel cruel joke

[lapis raft]

ah that explains it then

[rose flax]

okay so something fucky is going on, in meat grinder it says 9 stamina, in hub it says 8 like matches do

[toxic dagger]

time to bring my ogryn back into havoc and see if i can't make some space for the scummers so they can scum all over the place

[main trellis]

Rotten armour my beloved; when game was actualy challenging
Skill Check modifier

[lapis raft]

see above, your 400 curio isnt actually +3

[main wagon]

Legit one of the most devious bugs in the game

I don't know why it hasnt been patched in months

[dense hollow]

this would be cool to do, still need to do an auric mael to start higher than h1

[toxic dagger]

I thought it was tedious

[terse creek]

💀

[toxic dagger]

bad kind of challenge

[ancient basin]

Minding your business, silent netter from behind the horde. Or teammate dodge baiting a crusher overhead into your back. Or being grazed by the single pixel of your heel inside a barrel detonation your teammate set off yeeting you into the warp. Or pox bursters trying to show you their dance moves instead of detonating, resulting in a chain detonation instantly vaporizing you. Or 5 mutants playing catch with your ragdoll. Or a single gas bomber that your team refuses to shoot or acknowledge as it fills the entire map with fart gas.

[toxic dagger]

havoc is most interesting when the difficulty spikes are immediately threatening but dont take 5 business days to work through

[ancient basin]

many BS things

[dense hollow]

yeah this is a scam

[toxic dagger]

like twin spawns are a great example of a good difficulty spike

[main trellis]

TFW no CC

[toxic dagger]

you are immediately in danger but they dont take ages to die

[dense hollow]

it has to be 410 gear score

[rose flax]

Tf you mean?

That shit is so rare

[main trellis]

This will be a challenge then!

[dense hollow]

it's shows +3 stamina at gear score 400 but it's actually giving you 2 stamina

[toxic dagger]

it rounds up to +3 in the UI and in the meatgrinder

but it rounds down to +2 ingame

[tender ice]

https://tenor.com/view/danger-gif-15291718235185428481

[main trellis]

Yeah like why

[rose flax]

Oh fuck that, why is it doing that?

[toxic dagger]

because fatshark

[terse creek]

You never played auric Mael?

[main wagon]

Yeah anything below 410 shows up in psyk as +3 but in game is only a +2

[toxic dagger]

your stamina curios need to be 420 rating to actually stay +3 stam ingame

[ancient basin]

[toxic dagger]

or 410 idk

[random shuttle]

420+

[dense hollow]

i did but there was a long period of time where i wasnt playing darktide where the patch to boost your havoc rank for completing an auric mael happened

[thorn prawn]

Love the twin fights. When both sides can die from each other easily makes the fight more engaging.

[lapis raft]

is there similar rounding thing with toughness btw? because i've seen both 16% and 17% on 410

[ancient basin]

your stamina must be swag to count

[main trellis]

410 and above is true +3 stamina

[thorny ginkgo]

this was my craziest match ever lmfao

[toxic dagger]

it's tedious even with CC

[main wagon]

IIRC 410 is real

[toxic dagger]

I play ogryn, ofc there was CC

[rose flax]

At least i had this extra one then, thanks for the explanation

[main wagon]

Bless 🙏

[ancient basin]

love my ogryn bros, best teammates

[main wagon]

Yeah it's a silly stupid bug

[rose flax]

wtf though, is it not just three levels then? how does it scale?

[main wagon]

Glad you dont have to go back to grinding melkcoin or praying for shop

Stam is the only one that acts funny like that

[main trellis]

Saved 🙏

[main wagon]

All other HP and toughness curios are as advertised

And there's no hidden bonus wound from a 430 wounds curio lol

[rose flax]

That's nice to know

[last kelp]

running stimm supply and using Vultoprene II and Spur V because Reflex would give team mates reload speed and recoil reduction but I dont need it and I need to be just that little bit petty and selfish

[main trellis]

If only you could get +2 wounds

[rose flax]

Honestly, a 0.25 wound perk would go well

[thorny ginkgo]

anyone want to play havoc or mael?

[main trellis]

Martydom zel would have been better

[terse creek]

People who run wound curios on non zealot classes are wild af

[main trellis]

[thorn prawn]

If only they accidentally made 430 wound curios the coveted 2 wound curio

[random shuttle]

Mutie DR perk on curio also adds 50% DR against all bosses.

[main wagon]

Im curious whether Fury or Wildfire would be better for despacito but Im really enjoying Fury

[main trellis]

Unless learning the game i would say stupid

[main wagon]

Marty zealots weep tears of joy as they can equip a second toughness curio

[toxic dagger]

it scales like any other stat, with an invisible "stat bar" going from the lowest parameter to the highest parameter, visually displayed by the rating score. on stamina the lowest parameter is 1 and the highest is 3, so there are multiple steps along the rating score that have the same value. OR SO YOU THINK. but under the hood it's actually doing little increments like 2.1 stam, 2.2. stam, 2.3 stam and then rounding up or down according to its own logic

and for SOME ungodly reason

[hallow osprey]

I usually run one on most characters for the hell of it, honestly
No reasoning
Just Cause (2 for the Xbox 360)

[toxic dagger]

the rounding logic differs locally vs in-mission

[random shuttle]

Just so you know how fun FS stuff is

here's a formula for Finesse dmg:

[main wagon]

Ive met a couple people who self admittedly say it's because they expect to go down but like...homie...an extra toughness curio would help you not go down in the first place

[thorn prawn]

We've been lied to by the psychkanium

[terse creek]

Preach it

[tender ice]

All of the numbers are floats that scale with each point of rank but then get rounded at some point after being calculated. It's also why you can end up with a 61% or 62% weapon (with all others at 80). Those actually give you the extra stats btw even though they are rounded up

[fast gust]

Degree in Ogrynomics paying out

[toxic dagger]

fun fact: the old combat team senior developer for fatshark also worked on vehicle physics for just cause 2

[thorn prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-rookie-numbers-gif-20904132

[fast gust]

That...explains a lot

[hallow osprey]

GRAPPLE HOOK OGRYN

[main wagon]

It does?

[toxic dagger]

he left fatshark about 2 years ago and started a new studio that worked with arrowhead on the patch that introduced the illuminati squids

they made the voteless hordes

but also coincidentally introduced their first car

[main wagon]

That's awesome lol

[random shuttle]

Of course we cannot ignore the formula Brunt uses to roll your weapons:

[thorn prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-scorpion-get-over-here-mk11-mortal-kombat11-gif-17129778

[toxic dagger]

I suspect he got to work on some vehicle physics again

his name is Mats Anderson, really cool guy.

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/mouse-souris-click-clic-gif-16294217

The forumla I use to buy them

[fast gust]

Brunt hasn't come back because he is too busy brainbursting heretics with math

[random shuttle]

and here

[main trellis]

Would be more viable for sure

[random shuttle]

is a formula

[main trellis]

If only…

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/ayumu-iwasa-f2-f1-gif-6894752864830655617

[tight musk]

"Reduce threat level while sprinting" and "dodge melee attacks while sliding" feel kinda nice when you're carrying an objective item.

[novel oracle]

yknow
no good deed goes unpunished
im out here mulching with scum dclaw

someone drags a burster i cant push into me

now im at 5 hp and less than 1 wound

2 ppl go down

and as im picking them up

[random shuttle]

get checked nerrrrd

[novel oracle]

the other teammate shoots the barrel next to me, instantly killing me

[thorn prawn]

And then the enemies decide to clip through you and you get stuck surrounded by a horde

[random shuttle]

Dodging melee when sliding makes Hive the best Carrier of Tubes for objectives

[toxic dagger]

RED BULL MENTIONED VERSTAPPEN MENTIONED GEKOLONISEERD

[radiant cosmos]

which taxe mark for bm + hyperviolence light spam?

[random shuttle]

nothing can interupt you

[toxic dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/gekoloniseerd-voc-nederland-kolonisatie-verenigde-oostindische-compagnie-gif-13241235

[main wagon]

Ive had teammates running on HD2 turret code

[tight musk]

Santa dropping new fears in the chat for Christmas.

Thank you Santa, very cool.

[main wagon]

They pivot 45 degrees and shoot the barrel beside me

[thorn prawn]

Makker

[lapis raft]

half of the reason i play HS is the dodge melee while sliding as i spam slide a lot :d now onl if they added phasing as well instead of threat reduction for reasons that would be nice 🙂

[toxic dagger]

phasing would remove one of the only positioning concerns that scum still has left lol

but maybe it would be fine if it was only non-elites like ogryn barge

[ancient basin]

honestly giving hive scum the ability to pass through mobs with their dodge would be amazing

[main wagon]

Scum made me miss how Arbites and Psyker just dont give a fuck about bulwark shields

[ancient basin]

when I see more than one bulwark, I pop a blinder

[main wagon]

cries in soup

[ancient basin]

team cleans them up

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/max-verstappen-f1-formule-1-gif-15087359750872636720

[main wagon]

Honestly it's nothing that poking them and kiting them for like 2.5 seconds until the team mulches them cant handle

But they RUIN THE VIBE

[compact oyster]

das toch godverdomme mooi

[toxic dagger]

simply lovely

[tight musk]

Mr E released a video showing bursters and captain gas mines having more radius than they normally do this update.

Honestly feels like things kinda hit you from farther away than usual sometimes.

[spice cloud]

Oh boy wtf

How many bugs does this talent tree have?

I didnt even notice tbh

And another question what is the max ammount of toxin stacks i can smack on an enemy?

[tight musk]

Like 30, I think.

[spice cloud]

Damn thats a lot

[compact oyster]

FIX YOUR POSTURE BRO

my vet is genuinely cooked

[lapis raft]

aah another game where poxbursters just decided to kiss me on my cheeks instead of getting pushedbecause of the threat reduction, time to remove it for good im tired boss

[spice cloud]

Just shove it them dodge back and shoot it

[tight musk]

Max stacks toxin does A LOT of damage per tick.

Needle pistol in normal mode stacks it really fast.

[pulsar aspen]

He's trying to escape the frame.

[lapis raft]

cant shove it if its not targettign you

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah burster explosion radius is definitely larger

[lapis raft]

literally impossible

[spice cloud]

So i can pump 30 needles in that mf?

[spice cloud]

Of course u can

[livid raven]

no need for 30

[spice cloud]

U can allways shove it

[tight musk]

No, you only need like 4-5 max if you do headshots and/or crits.

[livid raven]

on headshot it's like 6 stacks

[spice cloud]

Im a bit confused with the toxin

[livid raven]

for the worse mark at least

[spice cloud]

Aggh

Whats the best mark anyway?

[drowsy relic]

Mk2

[drowsy relic]

6 on a headshot and 7 on a crit headshot very nice

[livid raven]

mk5 has better single target (6 mark on weak hit, 4 otherwise), mk2 has best AoE (its special propagates toxin, but 5 stacks on weakspot hit, 4 otherwise)

[main trellis]

Classic barrelmancy

[spice cloud]

Thx i think ill pref mk5 then tbh

[livid raven]

if i remember right

[compact oyster]

@vocal saffron 😘

[tight musk]

Needle pistol applies multiple stacks on every shot.

I think the bone saw only applies like 1 on hit, 2 on crit. But it also does a good chunk of direct damage, unlike the needle pistol which is all toxin damage over time and barely any direct damage.

[spice cloud]

I use it for crushers and ogryns mainly and bosses

[spice cloud]

I see

[lapis raft]

its 6 baseline on both, +2 on weakspot and +2 on crit on mk 6, +1 on each of those on mk2

[livid raven]

they shoul add roguetrader's named needlegun

it applies both fire, bleed and toxin

[main trellis]

Old news; hotshot does not increase your cleave on melee

[livid raven]

right

[compact oyster]

why would i put hotshot on a ranged weapon

[main trellis]

How busted that would be good lord

[compact oyster]

and expect it to work in melee.

[pulsar aspen]

@main trellis It exists in Mortis Trials, in a way.

[lapis raft]

but thats just 1 shot difference to reach 30 stacks so it deoesnt matter that much really

and then you can just keep 30 forever with melee after

[livid raven]

true, if you take the bleed + fire perks

[main trellis]

Cause before helbore users would put it on so they get cleave for their melee; shit has been patched for a long time now

[livid raven]

actually not sure there is a perk for bleed on ranged

[pulsar aspen]

And it is every bit as disgusting as it sounds

[main trellis]

That exists more than my teammates

[pulsar aspen]

You only need a few melee attacks to make everything fucking die.

[compact oyster]

hive scum with the silverballers

[spice cloud]

Mortis trials are a joke lol i had a game yesterday where my stun nades healed 30% health so i was immortal

And then i also got more grenade regen

Like bruh

[compact oyster]

shouldve seen launch mortis with ogryn boxes

[livid raven]

you can put the heal perk on blinders?

that's stupid

[fleet oriole]

Heya scum, what drug are we poppin today?

[spice cloud]

Oh and i also dont waste ammo on a crit imagine that with desperado lol

[patent bone]

Slowly getting used to the Dual Stubs, but god DAMN does taking out a rager and the gunner behind him with a spin shot feels good

[livid raven]

i had that

[spice cloud]

I just shot like 60 rounds nonstop with the stubs

[patent bone]

Left me oblivious to the crusher behind me tho

[livid raven]

i had no ammo cost on crit + desperado ramps up to 200% damage in 5 seconds + apply minor stagger on ranged hit

i actually stunlocked the daemon host with the double autoguns

[patent bone]

Damn, I need to see that build

[spice cloud]

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/fent-cell-gif-12440034190508601222

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/pato-meme-yo-culpable-señalar-gif-10642603499301365171

[compact oyster]

i just saw this lmfao

what is this dude even yapping about

[spice cloud]

Yeah mortis trials are just too easy

[main trellis]

You can also make them create psyker bubble on impact

[novel oracle]

the tester title is uncolored

[livid raven]

and more

[novel oracle]

and people dont know about it

[compact oyster]

yeah i know

[livid raven]

there is a new? blessing that applies 70% brittness for grenades' explosions

[lethal quartz]

I don't got orange title

fake content creator

[novel oracle]

so people gloss over it

i only just earlier today got asked ab it

[compact oyster]

your so washed vamp

[drowsy relic]

https://fixvx.com/i/status/1997764719961124938

Wirelyss 👁️‍🗨️💫 (@wirelyss)

The motion of the tele-operator taking his headset off 😭😭😭 omg

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Dec 7, 2025, 8:26 PM

[novel oracle]

that was the first time it happened in game

[compact oyster]

you cant even beat hard mode twins

[livid raven]

i wish mortis trials were just a bit less uhhh

shallow?

[main trellis]

Chungus boi moment

[novel oracle]

@lethal quartz how do i take it further

[fleet oriole]

My job as a servitor would look like this

[novel oracle]

i want to bait this guy so hard

[lethal quartz]

iono

I'm still half awake

[livid raven]

btw, for crowbar, defense or mobility dump?

[lethal quartz]

if combine didn't wake me up for havoc

[livid raven]

also i hear it has shit cleave, is that true

[lethal quartz]

i'd still be in bed

[patent bone]

Pull a prank on him. Deliver a pipe bomb to his mailbox

[novel oracle]

no

[novel oracle]

defence

[compact oyster]

if someone woke me up to play havoc i would beat they ass

[novel oracle]

defence is just push and block cost iirc

[idle lava]

I'd like to think defense? As your defence on scum is mobility right?

[main trellis]

Yeah about that… if you get 75% mob you have extra dodge…
So 75% mob 65% def is the best

[novel oracle]

and are you worrying about that on your scum

lol

[livid raven]

damn extra dodge on 75%?

that's a rarity

[main trellis]

That goes for many weapons with 4 - 5 dodges

[lethal quartz]

Combine: "Wake up, weekly reset just happened, get your ass in havoc"

[patent bone]

I just want my stubs to hold more ammo

More shooty time

[main trellis]

UI does not show it but you can dodge 1 time extra before you lose momentum & jump

[idle lava]

I like how chunky the crowbar feels, on the alt hits.

[livid raven]

very cool

best horde combo is spam heavy like shovel?

[tight musk]

I got grenade regen for the rocket launcher in trials, shot a rocket right between two mutants who were near a teammate, and despite both being very close to the center of the explosion, they just didn't die.

[main trellis]

Discovered it yesterday; there are many more weps like that; lemme find it

[drowsy relic]

Sorry buddy I only let ring leaders in my games

[main trellis]

If you get enough att spd you spam lights

[main trellis]

Push att is also goated

[livid raven]

this is a desperado build so i get none unfortunately

[compact oyster]

lmao noob

[livid raven]

well, i think i'll use this only against crushers actually

[dreamy rover]

Looks like we got an confirmation that the burster range was stealth buffed during the event...

[compact oyster]

i only let dedicated adepts into my game

[main trellis]

Push att into lights/heavy will be nice

[vocal saffron]

thanks babe

[light phoenix]

Question

Which Hive Scum personality do yall like?

[compact oyster]

outlaw

[livid raven]

outlaw

[main trellis]

Here is the full list of weapons that benefit from having Mobility/Defence (Hsword only) not being 60 dump and instead being 75% and then another stat being 65% in order to gain 1 extra dodge (and dodge distance if we consider constant dodging until you lose momentum & you jump instead of dodge);

Chainsword (probably not worth it cause every other stat at 65 would be a downgrade)
Bonesaw (i would drop Critical Bonus; you lose 1% crit chance... and like 1% crit dmg...)
Combat Axe (probably not worth it cause every other stat at 65 would be a downgrade)
Knifes (probably not worth it cause every other stat at 65 would be a downgrade)
Crowbar (i would drop Defence; you only lose push cost)
Dclaw (i would drop Cleave Damage; you only lose minimal dmg on enemies that die fast anyways)
Hsword (i would drop Cleave damage; you only lose minimal dmg on enemies that die fast anyways)
Shivs (probably not worth it cause every other stat at 65 would be a downgrade)
Shock Mauls (i would drop Crowd Control; you pick Hammerblow blessing anyways and 1 point of impact does not change much - cleave loss is minimal and can be endured)
Force Swords (I would drop Warp Resistance DUH)
Power Falchions (I would drop Heat Management DUH)
Shovels (I would drop Defence; you only lose push cost)

[livid raven]

that's a lot

i wonder if fatsharks knows about this

[main trellis]

Who knows

All i know is that my ADHD ass will murder me cause i would get all those on all classes…

[grand jewel]

time to go die on hive scum with a new keyboard

[novel oracle]

@lethal quartz i found out what to say

[livid raven]

btw blessings for crowbar i imagine are can opener and opportunist?

these blessings are kinda garbo

[novel oracle]

superiority is a pretty long lasting 37.5% power

since its like what 7s and falls off one at a time

thats actually a really good blessing with the elite density we have

[flint granite]

finally tried rashad, jesus christ dude

[novel oracle]

it always has been but it was only on like the force swords which were overshadowed by stuff like crit blessings

and uncanny

[tired prairie]

It also procs on Specials - you will be killing dogs and mutants in melee once in a while

And toxin can proc it if you have crowbar out

[livid raven]

not on a desperado build

[novel oracle]

in that case probably can opener and take a swing

[main trellis]

There are push blessings

[novel oracle]

the push attack in the beak mode is for safety which is what your melee is for

[mortal meadow]

so uh, i love mods
i just carried a team of scums with stub pistols that I could just flick fullauto whenever

[livid raven]

really, take a swing?

[novel oracle]

on a desperado build

[main trellis]

Push att is very good for defence on crowbar yes

[novel oracle]

60% weakspot damage

yea

thats not bad at all

that would be a top pick for vet shovels if it wasnt competing with decimator, uncanny, and skullcrusher, all stupidly strong blessings

[spare glen]

just like my favorite blessing mercy killer

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/hadmyback-igorlights-igor-gif-8201602355649597129

[flint granite]

hi cole

how are you

[novel oracle]

i am

im playing dclaw hive scum

and dealing a lot of damage

my scoreboard is fucked up

cuz i didnt have ovenproof which is where most of my shit is

[spare glen]

try chainsword at some point

[novel oracle]

boss dmg also isnt here otherwise itd be way higher cuz i killed 2 dh

[flint granite]

dlcaw seems nutty

which is

shocking

[novel oracle]

hsword is more involved to use but its honestly better

[vernal sluice]

bounty hunter

[flint granite]

ooooh ive needed an excuse to use hwsord again

[random shuttle]

Are you trying to tell me that Hive Scum is a Glass Cannon without the Cannon?

[spare glen]

wasn’t in h40 doesn’t count

[thorn prawn]

Psyker is a Glass Cannon without the Glass

[random shuttle]

onlu noobs play H40. I play H50.

[main trellis]

It is

[vernal sluice]

can't wait for tanner to debunk cole's really bad demonstration clip

[thorn prawn]

I'm waiting for them to kiss

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/luntry-luntryifunny-luntryy-gif-26563187

[main trellis]

More pure dmg, less crit synergy
Still great

[vernal sluice]

fuck yes

[main trellis]

Chadsword

[livid raven]

btw where was it confirmed that poxbursters have been stealth buffed

[flint granite]

can we put them back

[random shuttle]

I would show you how I solo H40 with grey weapons and no talents but alas, the dog ate my SSD.

[flint granite]

this isnt fun

[main trellis]

Now try mk1 light att loop

[thorn prawn]

Working hypothesis is server delay since it doesn't happen with the Solo Play mod

[main trellis]

You won’t regret it

[near vine]

What about nimble is bugged right now? Is it the 25% extended distance or 50% considered dodging? Some guy said something about it in my last run

[livid raven]

makes sense

[dense hollow]

@main trellis alright i finished an auric mael

[pulsar aspen]

@near vine At worst, it doesn't seem to do anything, it certainly does not reduce the dodge distance.

[tight musk]

Changed John-Scum into Girl-Scum.

[random shuttle]

Oh no!

[dense hollow]

how many times is he gonna change the title of the video

[compact oyster]

hes not wrong

how painful it is for me to say it

[dense hollow]

ive seen like atleast 2 different titles with this thumbnail

[drowsy relic]

Click bait but does bring up some technical problems rn

Such as bursters and barrel explosions being bigger

[calm aurora]

A/B testing probably

[calm aurora]

He may not have total control over it

[light linden]

Does Voice of Tertium proc when Chem Toxin kills the enemy? (Replenish +8% Toughness on Ranged Kill. Elites and Specials instead replenish +15% Toughness.)

E.g. hitting an Elite with Needle Pistol, but it dies from Chem Toxin

[calm aurora]

no

it's not supposed to work that way

[dense hollow]

chem toxin isn't a ranged kill

[light linden]

It's not, and I couldn't find that it worked that way. But just never know

[calm aurora]

also, voice of tertium does not work with hypercritical

wait

[light linden]

For example In Your Face does work with Chem Toxin

[calm aurora]

that's probably not intended lol

[dense hollow]

so does quick and deadly

[drowsy relic]

Mister E believes in engagement maxing which is fine he's a youtuber but sometimes it goes wrong like his "Hive scum ranged needs help" video so he deletes it

[opaque wasp]

Is it worth having a long lasting stim or is it better to just have it on 15 second duration when using chem dependency with maxed out chems? Running 50% visocity for the hive scum stimm btw so I'm sitting on 44s cooldown.

[light linden]

Exactly. So why it's reasonable to ask since things don't always work like one might expect 😅

[dense hollow]

i don't use long lasting stim anywhere, point tax to send your stim from 15 secs to 20 secs while not decreasing the downtime of your stim

[calm aurora]

the video was deleted???

[random shuttle]

Wait he deleted that vid? XD

[spice cloud]

Yeah i felt like somethings off with bursters

[drowsy relic]

I can't find it or he changed the name and thumbnail

Got clowned on too hard

[spice cloud]

Glad im not the only one

[novel oracle]

but only when you hold your gun out

[novel oracle]

in your face increases ALL damage while your gun is in your hand

thats how it works

thats how the zealot ranged talent works too

[opaque wasp]

Yeah fairs been thinking so as well and feels like it handicaps chem dependency in a way with how you HAVE to get enough kills to make it work if you go with maxed out stimms to get up to 4 stacks.

[dense hollow]

your stim doesn't start recharging til your stim is over

[opaque wasp]

Don't understand really why it was somewhat of a good idea to have the cooldown start once it's duration ends because it forces everyone to just use stimm lab at a weaker state if you wanna maximise the benefit of chem dependency.

[compact oyster]

balancing reasons

otherwise you could have an almost 100% uptime on stims and the crate

[dense hollow]

i use a 71s stim to supernova in situations where i need it and still use chem dependency and just keep it at 3 stacks

on a rampage build

[random shuttle]

chem dep gives a hefty 90s - my maxed stim has 70s cooldown. Its fine

[fair oar]

I use 4 stacks + 40 sec cd stim

[opaque wasp]

Maxed out stimms cut that duration down to 60. While giving you a max stack of 4 instead of 3. But either way noted.

[fair oar]

Need those extra stack stats!!

[opaque wasp]

Just wanted a general quick opinion and some thoughts about it.

[flint granite]

whats even the difference between needle pistols btw

[fair oar]

The blue shot

Mk2 spreads chem toxin. The other just explodes?

[random shuttle]

Well that is the idea. If you want more buffs from chemdem you need to curtail your stimmy.

[flint granite]

I see.

[dense hollow]

i personally don't think 4 stacks is worth it and i use a stronger stim

[random shuttle]

same

[dense hollow]

i don't even run sample collector either

once you reach 3 stacks you get like double the amount of time to stim to get back to 3 stacks

so like a 180 second window

[random shuttle]

But I am Luminous being. Wise and old.

Amongst heaven and earth, I alone, am the Honored One.

[fair oar]

4th stack gives permanent 10% cdr, tough resist, and crit and you have more damage/rending throughout the match. I need it

[random shuttle]

Imaginary Chem Tox: Purple

[dense hollow]

5% tdr, 5% crit and 10% cdr isn't bad for one node but it's a monkey paw curl

you have to sacrifice other things for this

[main trellis]

I don’t use it cause builds are already short on talents

[random shuttle]

I could never sacrifice my +80% Coherency Toughness gain

😏

[idle lava]

To sustain the 60s stack duration. Your stim needs to be what, 50 seconds with getting tox kills In-between?

[main trellis]

15% crit, tdr & 30% cdr is enough

[dense hollow]

so true king..

[turbid fulcrum]

Does Vultures Mark work with the Needler?

[calm aurora]

it's worded differently

[idle lava]

Where as, the 3 stacks is just. 75 seconds iirc?

[dense hollow]

75 secs doesn't work without sample collector

[idle lava]

Full stim effect for cartel stims.

Or you can be a lunatic and not take stims

[dense hollow]

you need slightly below

[fair oar]

Stim cd is 44 sec if I remember correctly if you just go one line

[novel oracle]

45s

[fair oar]

Plus sample collector makes it really easy

[arctic imp]

Sample collector can turn a high Cooldown stim into a low one

[dense hollow]

sample collector also has less of an effect the smaller your stim is

1% of 75s is bigger than 1% of 45s

[main trellis]

If you kill that is; there is always a mean purg slave in a corner waiting to steal your precious CDR

[dense hollow]

i've been taking pocket toxin to path down to dependancy instead of sample collector anyways

[random shuttle]

Okay

[dense hollow]

because i use blackouts

[random shuttle]

So

Zooka in Mortis?

11/10 best blitz

[main trellis]

I take both cause blinders are better

[novel oracle]

god dammit it woulda been cool if using shred instead of headtaker on taxe could be the play cuz of rampage giving 75% power that you could get away with swapping power that isnt so scarce anymore for crit chance
but no
power still wins out even against armor which is the situation where crits carry the most weight

[grand jewel]

20s zooka

good glorp

[random shuttle]

oh no

[kind mist]

no- zooka gets refunded if you kill special

[random shuttle]

much better

Yeah

[main trellis]

Mah man

[random shuttle]

😄

Zooka Forever

[grand jewel]

[random shuttle]

Zook that man

[grand jewel]

what the fuck

[arctic imp]

Cole, I used the build pinned for crowbar by you. Why’s it feel so weak compared to the desperado one? is that just where it’s at?

[novel oracle]

cuz its just that fuckin OP

[grand jewel]

ooops all SHOOOM

[arctic imp]

Buff rampage ?

[random shuttle]

A single Trapper getting the zookini.

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/murder-drones-episode-1-clip-uzi-serial-designation-n-railgun-gif-17333870427080702827

[arctic imp]

Buff crowbar?

Ten million damage?

[grand jewel]

las thing a trapper sees

[main trellis]

Umm; use headtaker & shred? I know bruhmentum is good but is is better when you just spam your way to victory anyways?

[novel oracle]

rampage doesnt need a buff lol

[arctic imp]

Buff crowbar?

[grand jewel]

nah

rampage is weak

[random shuttle]

No no

let him cook

[novel oracle]

brutal momentum and it interacting with hyper violence makes it fucking obscene

[grand jewel]

plus buff its really bad

can't even 1 shot a crusher

[fair oar]

Rampage needs to not have 4 nodes attached to it

[main trellis]

Maybe the rending node needs to have that 50% gimmick removed/reduced; other than that its good

[dense hollow]

i use this setup and i think for my purposes i only have 1 flex point and i put it in coated weaponry

[drowsy relic]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-bro-just-typing-shit-gif-18336060238854257551

[arctic imp]

Yes

Well we gotta buff something

Might as well be rampage

Tox damage too while we’re at it

[novel oracle]

buffing isnt the solution to everything dawg

[arctic imp]

Hmmmm that’s true

[lapis raft]

they should make stimm supply synergize with chemical depednency, its complete nonsense that it doesnt

[novel oracle]

pickpocket and vultures dodge are a huge factor in why the other build is so much stronger

[turbid fulcrum]

Man, the cowboy revolver is pretty mid with desperado. Sad.

[arctic imp]

To be fair, I did good with the crowbar build. It just felt like things wouldn’t die when they should be dying

[novel oracle]

these two need to be adjusted in ways that keep their identity and reduce their power

[drowsy relic]

They gotta buff psyker tho

[arctic imp]

Do you light spam in rampage? Do you use the blunt end or the pointy? For crowbar*

[novel oracle]

cuz currently those two just give you desperado outside of desperado

[novel oracle]

i do actual combos, and i do blunt end most of the time

[calm aurora]

no hyperviolence? why?

[novel oracle]

said combos are mostly just heavy light or light heavy tho lol

[arctic imp]

Where do you find the time for combos? Do you have any extra attack speed outside of swift endurance?

[random shuttle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pg5b9p/rocket_laucher_moment/

[novel oracle]

the combos on them are really simple

if you push attack, youll find yourself in the horde clear combo of light and heavy

[dense hollow]

not a lot of points to freely spread around, you could use hyper violence instead of coated weaponry but i haven't been getting much mileage out of hyper violence

[novel oracle]

and from the start, heavy light is the single target combo

[dense hollow]

the moment you move further than like 6 ft you run out of hyper violence

[grand jewel]

im glad they didn't overreact

[novel oracle]

you can change on a whim by just doing another heavy after the one in your combo and going from there

[astral sundial]

What do my fellow scummers think of this stimming?

[arctic imp]

It sounds like ASM simple

[astral sundial]

I play shivs/stubpistols with desperado

[arctic imp]

I can get behind that

[calm aurora]

I use HV with rashad and taxe because I juice my BM a lot but I was wondering about that talent and the bonesaw

[drowsy relic]

Is that the toughness regen node? Take that out its not good haha

[random shuttle]

I have all of them online

because

[arctic imp]

But 4 percent reduced damage

[grand jewel]

terrible

[random shuttle]

Penance

[astral sundial]

It is. I thought at least a little less damage and toughness regen might be a good idea

[dense hollow]

that talent and the bonesaw probably wouldnt work super well, chem toxin kills will kill your hyper violence im pretty sure

[arctic imp]

It’s not toughness regen

[grand jewel]

it is toughness regen, not toughness generation

thats the problem

[forest escarp]

i'm bad at math, explain me?

[arctic imp]

Yes

[grand jewel]

its only coherency regen

[verbal dew]

it's also coherency toughness regen

[grand jewel]

which is fucking dookie cheeks

[dense hollow]

i agree with HV being super good on rashad and would put the flex point on hyper violence with that melee, i used it before

[arctic imp]

The problem is also the wording. Can we just call it coherency regen

[novel oracle]

do you understand how hyper violence works

first off

[forest escarp]

nope!

[novel oracle]

so yknow how when you kill an enemy
theyre dead right

[forest escarp]

i mean, i can read the tooltip, but i'm very cynical of scum tooltips.

[grand jewel]

whoever decided it should be like that should get a raise for all the engagement that fucking side of the stimm tree gets when people call it bad

[novel oracle]

and you cant deal more damage to tehm

part of the damage you dealt was kinda wasted

[forest escarp]

right, so something about adding overkill damage to melee damage for a moment

[novel oracle]

like an enemy has 100 hp left but you obliterated him with a 500 damage attack

so 400 of that did nothing

[grand jewel]

Killing an enemy with any attack adds a flat damage bonus to subsequent melee attacks for 1s. The flat amount of bonus damage carried over is 25% of the difference between the enemy's health when killed and the attack's damage dealt. The active duration can be refreshed only if the overkill damage amount that is supposed to be carried over to the next melee attack is greater than the overkill damage amount that was carried over on the previous proc.

For example, killing an enemy who has 300 current health with a melee attack that deals 500 damage results in an overkill damage amount of 500-300=200. A quarter of this overkill damage amount is carried over, so the same melee attack would then deal 500+200x0.25=550 damage. Now, for as long as it is possible to accumulate an increasing carry-over amount of overkill damage (e.g. by getting damage buffs, by targeting enemies with low health, by switching from an attack with low base damage to an attack with high base damage, etc), the 1s duration will be refreshed and the next melee attack will be buffed accordingly. When the carry-over amount of overkill damage does not increase between two attacks, the 1s duration will not be refreshed and the buff effect will reset.

[novel oracle]

ok mr copy fucking paste

[grand jewel]

back pocket kuli yap

[flint granite]

ok actually really happy w this look

[calm aurora]

Lara Croft

[drowsy relic]

Basically hurt people hurt people

[flint granite]

Lara Crack

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-simmons-ugh-party-pooper-party-pooper-supermariologan-gif-23681873

[calm aurora]

Lara Craft

[grand jewel]

ok arctic monkeys

[pulsar aspen]

@idle lava Iam a lunatic then.

[novel oracle]

@forest escarp lmk when you finish reading this and understand it

[astral sundial]

Okay and that is bad why?

[idle lava]

...I think I forgot to finish my sentence, it was more of if running chemical dependency, without bringing your own stimm

[drowsy relic]

My favourite part of scum is when you rampage adrenaline hyper violence with shivs into a horde and the sound design starts breaking

[novel oracle]

its disabled when an enemy occupies one of your slots
aka someone is aggroed onto you in melee range

[random shuttle]

Because as a Hive Scum you're never in Coherency

[idle lava]

When did we get the loner keystone.

[calm aurora]

HMMMMMMMMM

[forest escarp]

its pretty straightforward, i just hadnt really factored in the continual growth aspect of it prior

also, unrelated: lol

[astral sundial]

Then we have a different playstyle lol. Yeah i zoom around a lot, but I always circle back to my group XD

[novel oracle]

you know how BM works right

[compact oyster]

didnt he just say that hive scum ranged is weak

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[dense hollow]

even 100% toughness coherency regen is not good, doubling nothing is still nothing

[forest escarp]

vaguely

[calm aurora]

HMMMMM

[fair oar]

Who is mister e? I have heard conflicting reports about his videos

[astral sundial]

noted. Ty

[drowsy relic]

Please do not trust steam forums

[forest escarp]

screws with how cleave works or something in a good way

[calm aurora]

a youtuber

[drowsy relic]

He's a darktide vibetuber

[random shuttle]

So what you are telling me, is that you are

NOT RIDING HISTORY ON THE FURY ROAD?

[compact oyster]

steam forums are quite possibly the most unreliable givers of information

[forest escarp]

idk they have some good points

[novel oracle]

when you get a headshot kill, that swing ignores the whole cleave mechanic for the first 4 targets, including cleave damage
when you hit multiple enemies in a swing, it works down the cleave damage profile and it always has a pretty steep drop from target to target
its why when youre swinging through tons of enemies , only a few of em die each swing

[drowsy relic]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[terse creek]

Don’t trust the place where casuals lurk on every corner

[novel oracle]

so BM ignores the whole "enemies take less damage the further they were hit in the swing" thing for 4 enemies

so all 4 enemies were treated as if they were the first enemy and take damage accordingly

so if you one shot the first guy, you one shot the first 4 guys

[idle lava]

Damn, that's, really good.

[calm aurora]

and it's 5 with HS mk7 deathblow

BTW

[novel oracle]

now take into account that the overkill from HV is adding up from target to target from BM

[wise otter]

What blessings would y'all suggest with the stub pistols

[novel oracle]

heres an example of getting high overkill with a single target heavy attack then just using the raw HV boost to to carry a low damage light attack + BM to 5 more kills

[forest escarp]

oooooooh
i see now, thats pretty nasty then yeah

the overflow dmg grows several times faster

[abstract lichen]

Is there any reason why shock and awe procs sometimes on my non-double hitmarker kills

[novel oracle]

because its just on kill

[calm aurora]

the 5 targets is on all HS marks? I thought it was only with mk7 H1?

[abstract lichen]

It's not on weakspot kill?

[novel oracle]

its especially useful when fighting crushers or a boss cuz shit can just get in the way and die reliably giving a ton of extra overkill

[novel oracle]

it never says that

[abstract lichen]

I'm too brumo coded

[terse creek]

I mean, the proc requirements are specified on the perk, gotta learn to read my guy, lol

[abstract lichen]

True

[novel oracle]

not to mention how absolutely FUCKED the elites will be in mixed hordes when you have HV+BM

[gray loom]

Hives Scum having a few back stab perks is weird

[dense hollow]

yeah and then you get scenarios where the game doesn't show you when a blessing stacks or not

like deathspitter

stacks to 5 but game doesn't tell you that

[gray loom]

Like why is ramping backstabs all the way down next to Vultures mark?? the ranged perk side???

[terse creek]

There’s those that specifies everything, then there’s the hidden little details that ever so matter, but eh, it’s fatshark

[signal nebula]

praying for the day we get a good looking HSword skin

[grand jewel]

they have a threat reduction thing so I get the idea

[signal nebula]

imo needs to be replaced. useless in this treee

[calm aurora]

there was one 🙂

[gray loom]

Oh yeah they have that sprint perk that does it

[signal nebula]

if ur referring to the Vostroyan one, I have it, and I don't like it

[novel oracle]

id understand if they changed it to include ranged too

[signal nebula]

that would make sense

[compact oyster]

that dude who said overkill damage was wasted damage has finally been vindicated

[grand jewel]

it'd be so great if it was ranged too

[signal nebula]

RAKING FIRE LETS GOOOOOOO

[grand jewel]

raking fire in talent form

[novel oracle]

raking fire damage + raking fire power

TOTAL SLUG DEATH

[wind crane]

do you guys suspect hiver will take over psyker's spot as #1 class? with the needle pistol apparently doing more damage than flamer staff

[grand jewel]

evaporate that slug

[gray loom]

also, what even is a sprint dodge??

[random shuttle]

Me on a Branx Ogryn getting 500 000 Overkill dmg: "What?"

[signal nebula]

it love that stupid blessing ngl

[dense hollow]

no

[calm aurora]

no

[grand jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1445705166337609839/image.png?ex=6937e8db&is=6936975b&hm=e3b22e704d704f1991a8938c535c8ec1c41399444a4a6d2de63b631bf7c9f5a6&

[novel oracle]

not with needle pistol lol

[dense hollow]

they might take top dps as desperado auto pistols

[novel oracle]

this

[signal nebula]

only thing that outdamages flamer staff on Hive Scum is uzi desperado iirc

[gray loom]

Ah I see

[signal nebula]

I got a lot of flack last night for saying the Needle Pistol isn't OP

[random shuttle]

Never did advanced training in psykhanium eh? 😉 When you sprint with Stamina you can make all shots miss you if you're running mostly perpendicular to the shooters.

[grand jewel]

so the talent that increases the angle is really good

[gray loom]

I haven't done it in ages tbh

[calm aurora]

depends on the context

[signal nebula]

i hate that this is a talent, should just be baked in

[drowsy relic]

They should let scum dodge through enemies this will not be balanced

[random shuttle]

Angle is a nice bonus but for me what makes this talent okay is the fact it puts you in dodge state even if you're out of stam

[grand jewel]

yeah that too

[calm aurora]

and it is only useful in like 2 maps

[random shuttle]

so you can just run through shit

[gray loom]

I straight up forgot sprint dodging because I tend to just, sprint and slide towards the enemy to just, kill em because I am greedyyyy

[random shuttle]

Eh

[grand jewel]

I fucking JUST WISH, hive scum had a talent to regen toughness from dodging, it would make so much sense

[random shuttle]

I use it all the time

[signal nebula]

not really, it's an efficient gun with drawbacks with high damage and long ttk. The thing that's breaking it atm is infinite ammo

[random shuttle]

it's one of those things most people use many times during each map but never notice

[drowsy relic]

Hive scum becomes the tankiest class in the game

[grand jewel]

its what it deserves

[signal nebula]

that would be busted imo

[gray loom]

also Swift endurance being along the like ranged tree side is also really funny to me

[dense hollow]

hive scum already has like 45% DR and 10% TDR

25%-30% TDR if you include dependency

if you regen faster itd just be unkillable

[gray loom]

Like buddy, what are you doing there surrounded by ranged perks??

it and ramping background just sitting tucked away near the vultures mark keystone is really funny to me

[signal nebula]

i really hope the tree gets a do-over, there's a lot of very questionable layout decisions the way it is. Also a lot of junk nodes

[drowsy relic]

TREE RESET TIME

[grand jewel]

and a lack of a dodge - toughness node, as stated above

[gray loom]

I kinda wish you saw more like chem stack stuff at earlier levels

[grand jewel]

don't worry guys, in 2 and a half years it will be arby and hive scums turn for a tree rework

[signal nebula]

like f'rex you can't really make a good Desperado Chem Dependency build because you need so much stuff from bottom left and middle trees

[grand jewel]

[novel oracle]

i dont think he needs any more toughness stuff

[gray loom]

other then it ALL being at the bottom right

[verbal dew]

I haven't even gotten back to any of my old classes because I went through all of them to resolve the tree resets

[novel oracle]

if he gets more he needs what he has already to be pulled back to compensate

[verbal dew]

so now I have to remake all of them, despite their "fix"

[signal nebula]

he needs better talent point efficiency, that would solve pretty much most of his issues

[dense hollow]

hive scum getting second wind would make him the tankiest class in the game

[compact oyster]

passive toughness gain

[grand jewel]

melee build actually feels so tanky because while you're in melee you have so much regen, while you're out of it, the random little hits are just regenned by the 30% regen on ranged damage

[gray loom]

I do think a tree reshuffle would be nice, spread out the toxic perks too please like

the first toxic perk you can get is the exploding crack box

[grand jewel]

I kinda wish more trees had modifiers for their blitz's

[calm aurora]

toxic elite playtester mindset vs proletarian tannerite lowlife gaming experience

[forest escarp]

honestly desperado scum is the first time ive actually felt justified setting up 3 new curios with a completely different set of perks
every bit of that sweet sweet CDR is money in the bank

[gray loom]

Rampage Crowbar has been my favorite so far

[dense hollow]

most of my classes were already using CDR

[novel oracle]

@lethal quartz NOOOOO ITS GONEEEE

YOU REMOVED THE COMMENT

[calm aurora]

CDR useless, just embrace full true seconds like a real man

[forest escarp]

i find i dont really prefer it over other things when talent-based cdr is so easy to take advantage of on most classes

[compact oyster]

maybe op deleted the comment in embarrasment

[dense hollow]

yeah sometimes stamina regen has more value, but it is my habit

[forest escarp]

its a lot of perks to stack for a few scant seconds, and even then some builds go off cooldown before their F is even over e.g. exec stance

[dense hollow]

i just put cdr, toughness and revive speed and forget

[forest escarp]

that plus desperado is literally immune to ranged damage so wtf do i need to stack gunner/sniper for

[dense hollow]

but im putting more thought into the perks i have on curios and hondo suggested i should use atleast one +5% health for poxburster insurance

[gray loom]

Poxbursters feel like they have a bigger radius now,

[grand jewel]

as long as you break 100hp you're gaming

[gray loom]

I can't prove it but I can feel it in my bones (it might be the meth)