hivescum-class

[novel oracle]

dual autopistols

[manic wolf]

If anything is gonna get whackadoodled on the class, its gonna be Vulture's dodge

[little pivot]

can you elaborate as to why?

[mighty belfry]

anything that shoots the bullet fast

more crits that proc, the more constantly Vulture's Dodge will also proc

[novel oracle]

they have a baked in +5% crit and baked in run n gun to take advantage of moving during while keeping it up, as well as desperados sprint speed

[mighty belfry]

I also saw someone running Vraks auto with it in Havoc

They were goin bananas

[novel oracle]

like watch the buff bar

[little pivot]

ok Im dumb those look like smgs to me not pistols lol

[novel oracle]

and while i do use desperado here, you can see its uptime in a live game
this is havoc 40

[novel oracle]

yeah, autopistols

the stubs are the actual normal pistols

[manic wolf]

Bruh DoT builds on this character are so utterly busted

This is like Purgatus levels of DoT output

Basically have perma-crit

[near vapor]

ingram mac 10s

space mac 10s

[ripe seal]

they feel sorta like mp7s to me

[copper crag]

they're closer to maybe a Mac-10, or Uzi -- but think of them more as Robocop's gun, shaved firing pin, extended clip, and absolutely useless/fried suppressors on the barrel.
So what the U.S. would deem a lot of illegal modifications to a semi-automatic pistol

[ripe seal]

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/closeup-mp7-a2-submachine-gun-260nw-2386144773.jpg

[smoky aurora]

help me solve an argument broadly; is a 76 spread stat weapon better than a dump stat weapon (generally or case by case if this is such)

[copper crag]

A mean weapon vs. a specialized one?

[smoky aurora]

i suppose yeah the stats either being 76 across the board for stats or 80 80 80 80 60

[little pivot]

Run and Gun + Speedload I assume

[ripe seal]

i gues 76 would be the most well rounded but there's enough weapons that can easily dump something like mobility/defense/collateral/stability

[copper crag]

I think it would matter to the stat in particular, like -- for example, if it's mobility and you're a vet, does it matter on your gun?

[ripe seal]

i don't know how much of a difference 4 points makes

[copper crag]

But that's probably getting too into the weeds

[novel oracle]

blaze away speedload
run n gun already is baked in so you dont really need it again

[ripe seal]

i also don't know much of a difference 60 damage and 80 damage feels per weapon compared to 60 mobility and 80 damage, but i'd much rather an 80 in damage thna mobility

[little pivot]

where is it shown being baked in?

[ripe seal]

yeah run and gun should just be for the stat boosts

but recoil makes more of a differnce than spread i feel and the strength buffing blessings don't require sprinting to trigger

[sinful matrix]

mp7 jumpscare

[ripe seal]

its up there for favorite guns of all times, at least for SMGs

[sinful matrix]

5.7 is weird

And also highly impractical for anything outside of spookops shit

[ripe seal]

any weirder than whatever the P90 uses

[sinful matrix]

Which is also 5.7btw

[ripe seal]

i thought the p90 had a different round, I know they do some polymer stuff to the bullets because of how they're stacked or whatever

[limber cradle]

MP5>MP7

[sinful matrix]

Nope, brass cartridge 5.7

Just has a rotating feed tray built into the firearm to turn rounds 90 degrees

[ripe seal]

i'm misremembering my fallout gun rants

[mighty belfry]

the spicy .22

[sinful matrix]

That's an insult to both .22 and 5.7

[ripe seal]

speaking of the P90, whenever I look at it I just picture it with the top part of it missing, which I feel is something the scum would use with duel wielding

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ft3wzd2akssa71.jpg

[limber cradle]

I love .22 tbh

[mighty belfry]

call of duty mw ah build

[limber cradle]

Cheap, fun to shoot, one of the coolest pistols of all time comes chambered in it

[sinful matrix]

Good for rabbit, squirrel, turtle and other small game

Also don't diss turtle

that shit's delicious

[copper crag]

Rabble Rabble we need a Hive Scum Commissary

[near vapor]

as if Fatshark is gonna care about that lol

[limber cradle]

If you believe old school spec ops, it's good for people too.

[sinful matrix]

Assuming you don't hit their ribcage

[near vapor]

that was added during the 2023 content drought and people wanted them to release new customization

[copper crag]

they added two more cosmetics for two more weapons in there last patch

[limber cradle]

Aiming for soft spots, yeah.

[sinful matrix]

I'd imagine the people in three letter agencies are probably better shots than that though

[near vapor]

and they release the most mid cosmetics ever possible

and have forgotten about it since because it serves its purpose

[copper crag]

irrelevant.

[ripe seal]

When are we gonna get a Liberator

[sinful matrix]

I've long since given up caring about the cosmetics in this game

[copper crag]

This isn't true; unique shock mace models noit found anywhere else were added earlier this year.

[sinful matrix]

It's both lazy and FOMO

somehow it works so whatever

[near vapor]

the skins in the comissary arent that interesting

[ripe seal]

Too many of the armor sets end up being reused, I want something new to wear

[near vapor]

it dont change the weapon shape in a cool way (like the new shiv skin in hallowette)

[ripe seal]

I’m pretty sure at least one piece of armor has had 3/4 different recolors as part of 3/4 different armor sets

[sinful matrix]

I like that the commissary for weapons is either worn blue or worn red

and that's literally it

[spark gyro]

They've been known to do some shady shit on the paid items

[sinful matrix]

(sarcasm, to be clear)

[ripe seal]

I do like some of the skins for the basic knife and las pistol

[spark gyro]

Did you guys see the Reddit post of the leopard pants for ogryn where they basically resold the same thing with a metal kneepad 1% darker?

[sinful matrix]

Like I said, at this point I don't care

It's both lazy and fomo

at least the game itself is good

whales keep giving me new maps for free

[arctic imp]

MESSELINNA VENGEANT

[limber cradle]

Scum is the first class in actual years I've used to slop shop on

I like the Boushh helmet

[arctic imp]

Everyone should give fatshark money. Stop being stingy

[sinful matrix]

Yeah uh. . . I have food to buy

so no

[spark gyro]

what do you guys think of the antichrist aura

[undone falcon]

It's one of the auras of all time

[spark gyro]

one of the auras ever made

[sinful matrix]

Worthless sometimes, good others

But it's pretty much worthless all the time because its rare someone is using a crit build

so the extra 5% doesn't do anything meaningful

[undone falcon]

I don't think anyones going to run it unless someone else is running GS improved and someone else is running ruffian

[ripe seal]

Wait listen to me for a second, hive scum with the helbore/heavystubber in an Oberz form factor

[sinful matrix]

Obrez?

[low harbor]

It’s ok

[sinful matrix]

I don't want yet another cutoff uh

[undone falcon]

sawed off essentially

[sinful matrix]

why can't I think of the bolt action's name

[undone falcon]

Mosin?

[sinful matrix]

that's it

[ripe seal]

https://share.google/images/HkiKHQjDM2kf9l3Gt

Damn google mobile

[sinful matrix]

Yeah I don't need a game with yet another sawed off mosin

[copper crag]

Lil' Gary

[limber cradle]

I'm using the crit build, its for me

[undone falcon]

Give me a laser Garand Fatshark, let me hear the ping

[ruby token]

Anyone know the crit string of the dual autopistols?

[sinful matrix]

pretty sure it's 1

and doesn't actually have crit strings

Talked about a day ago or so

[arctic imp]

we could get into a whole conversation about how you should make enough money to be able to afford spending some on things you like, but we don’t live in that kind of world

[ripe seal]

I feel like everyone but Ogryn and a lesser extent arbite has enough stuff they can run that benefits from extra crit rate

[sinful matrix]

That's not the issue

it's that people just don't use crit builds

[limber cradle]

They don't crit string, they just crit wildly often

[ripe seal]

Do single shredders have crit strings?

[ruby token]

Yea

[spark gyro]

Even when I had money, I rarely gave it to Fatshark because the FOMO shop's existence was outright hostile to me

[ripe seal]

And it gets a crit boosting blessing on top of it

[spark gyro]

It was a case of stuff that I really really really wanted, like that black leather coat for psyker, but the stuff that was just kinda cool or a bit specific —like weapons— just didn't speak to me because of the many things Fatshark did to that shop

[ripe seal]

I just didn’t like how most of the psyker cosmetics covered up my hair or added a face mask I didn’t want with the voice filter, I think there was one head piece that added a bit to the back part that I liked

Which is partly why I don’t like any of the premium head stuff for scum, I like the default goggles and the revenant mask and that’s it, not much matches that feel

Though the premium pack helmet is probably the best of all the voice changer ones

[spark gyro]

Off the top of my head, I can name:

• Rotations are stupid and don't make me more likely to spend money, because I want a specific piece and if they don't offer me the specific piece I'm not gonna camp the shop for literal weeks trying to see it finally on rotation
• Prebundled currency with pricing specifically designed to make things cost just a bit too much or leave just a little bit extra currency is another predatory tactic that I just see no necessity for myself, and I'd very much have appreciated being able to buy a variable number of aquilas
• They recolour the same models and sell them back to players at full price
• I have caught them rebundling an old cosmetic set for psyker —that costed like 800 aquilas— with a helmet and rocketing its price to 2100, nearly tripling it
  In short, whoever at Fatshark that is responsible for that store can go fuck themselves, for all I care

[main wagon]

This would be the only one tbh

For me at least

Cool face tattoo's just to wear a helmet that covers 90% of my face? nah

[limber cradle]

I really like this helmet tbh

[naive wing]

Aight it's settled, Run n Gun + stripped down go hard on needle gun

[ripe seal]

I’d maybe like the goggles on their own since there’s no headband like the base one but I really don’t care for that hood

[main wagon]

But I dislike the hood because it hides the cool unique hairstyles that scum gets

[spark gyro]

I will go back in time and hit the Oblivion horse armour creator on the back of the neck with a chair

In Minecraft

[main wagon]

The regular starter goggles are heat

Ive been rocking this

[frigid sluice]

is there any way to hide the stimm lab notification when I have unspecced volume

[main wagon]

Naturally we must suffer

[spark gyro]

tbh it's a bit odd how even in 2025 we still struggle to make hairstyles work with head items

[main wagon]

woe, shiny yellow upon ye

[frigid sluice]

bollocks

[main wagon]

Tbh I cant believe the deluxe edition hairsyle is the weird double side pony and we just get this one for free lol

You aren't even bald on the side

[spark gyro]

I remember some old MMOs defaulting to a specific hairstyle with specific head items, and others outright hiding the hair with a peasant cap

[main wagon]

It's hilarious on longer hair characters

You go from a luscious mane to literally bald

[spark gyro]

Ayo, I need to check out that hair, I think I kinda ignored it in creation

[main wagon]

I had the extra scratch so I figured "oh nice at least I'll have a unique one"

Get to character creation and Scum gets like 6 new hairstyles lmao

[rose flax]

Guys, can we use the default darktide framework/mod loader or are they still borked?

[hot moth]

shredder autopistol is legit

the fact it gets ramping crit as a blessing

basically gives you desperado dodges permanently but better, as long as you're firing, and you have steadier output versus DAPs' constant reload cycles

[spice cloud]

Works for me

[trim wind]

They've been updated for a few days now

[spice cloud]

You got the update only file?

[rose flax]

You don't need a special patch or anything?

[trim wind]

Just what's on nexus

[patent bone]

I REALLY hope they change the purple armwrap

[rose flax]

Oh I haven't tried installing it again, just was curious

[spice cloud]

Theres a second file for updates only

Get it too

[main wagon]

I really hope they dont, since water cartel's version of that top doesn't even have purple sleeve

[arctic imp]

How are people doing Havoc 40’s with hive scums? I can’t seem to get past the squishy. If I get shot on a melee build, I have to close the gap to regen. But if i’m that close, I’m in danger of being offed by just one or two hits. Statistically speaking, we are human after all, you’re gonna get hit eventually. And it isn’t so easy to recover from that on havoc. So.. how are people doing it?

[spice cloud]

Just make sure to load the default before the update only

[spice cloud]

Chem nades

[main wagon]

The purple and blue pants go together well

I wish we had colored tanks instead of the armbands tbh

[hot moth]

just play shredder autopistol, you have infinite ammo, constantly regen toughness, and straight up get away with mistakes an alarming amount of time

[arctic imp]

True, but you run out eventually. And they don’t stop gunners

[hot moth]

melee scum is pretty meh

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-war-ww3-ww2-ww1-gif-1946324958476768576

[spice cloud]

Try to save em for crisher conga

[hot moth]

carried by needle pistol tbh

[arctic imp]

True

[spice cloud]

And make sure u got a team that wont take ur nades

[hot moth]

if anything you play "melee" because you're "actually" needlepistol the rest of the time

[manic wolf]

This has gotta be the lowest energy bait I've seen in a long ass time man

[arctic imp]

I’m using needle and the map was foggy af and there was tox gas everywhere. Army of snipers effectively neutralized me from being able to peak shoot and acquire targets through the fog.

[hot moth]

kills shooters, kills distant elites, kills disablers, kills hyperconcentration as long as you have breathing room, and then when the enemy spawns in your face you 'go melee mode"

[hot moth]

fog affects everyone equally lol, spam ping to acquire your targets, same for every class

[vocal saffron]

dual auto pistols perks and blessingz ?

[arctic imp]

You can’t be serious. Any hive scum I personally play with eventually succumbs to chip damage. That doesn’t happen to me on arbites. So, I ask, how do we reach the same level

[manic wolf]

You play better lol

[trim wind]

Same as single pretty much

[manic wolf]

Scum lives and dies by your ability to dodge attacks

[vocal saffron]

and that is

[ripe seal]

Out of the shower so I got to think, it’s weird that the scum doesn’t get a traditional face bandana like the base glasses get from the special edition, the closest they have is the revenant mask

[limber cradle]

i run this

[hot moth]

if people are dying to chip after hitting level 30 they're bad, simple as

Scum has the easiest time not getting chipped ever on a ranged build, at least, your risk as always is getting caught in somethign you have no reset button for and then instagibbing

[manic wolf]

If you're gonna eat loads of chip, its not the class you should be maining

[trim wind]

Pinning fire blaze away, flakiac

[novel oracle]

by playing ranged scum xd

[arctic imp]

I agree with that, ranged seems easiest for havoc

[woeful hill]

cycling ult/stimm and knowing my limitations

[arctic imp]

Everyone takes chip dude. We’re human. Nobody, unless you’re cheating, makes 0 mistakes game after game. Stop egoing

[hot moth]

melee scum my only recommendation is going CD stim and relying on RAmpage to toughness reset yourself

[broken moss]

Wats the better chain sword mark?

[limber cradle]

"I can't do it so clearly no one else can"

[broken moss]

never been much for them but its fun on scumbag

[manic wolf]

Everyone takes chip, sure, but taking enough to kill you? Nah, thats stupid

[hot moth]

loss of DPS stim is not that much of an opportunity cost, honestly

toughness stim is bait, takes too long to use to save yourself

[arctic imp]

Oh of course, but what i’m talking about is im last alive, team is dead, how can i be an all rounder the same way i feel like on arbites.

[hot moth]

oh, if you're last man standing, few classes do as well compared to arbites lol

[ripe seal]

Desperado can kill a lot of anything that isn’t highly armored like a crusher, vulture gets a lot of immunity, and you have nice toughness regen with on kill or even that one blessing for spending ammo

[hot moth]

scum is hyperoffensive, lack of reset buttons makes it bad at soloclutching

[knotty grotto]

any needle pistol perks/blessing recommendations?

[broken moss]

youre never going to big johnson content the way arbites can

[manic wolf]

You either play perfectly, which involves a bit of luck, die to some bullshit outside of your control, or you just play a different class. Comparing a literal glass cannon to Arb is dumb, sorry to be blunt, but Arb is arguably the most forgiving class for making mistakes, Scum is the opposite of that unless you ride wholly on Vulture's Dodge (which is probably gunna get nerfbatted)

[arctic imp]

I feel effective with my team, but it’s hard not to. We’re all splitting aggro and we’re all helping. It just feels like chip damage to scum is game ending whereas it’s whatever on everybody else. It’s recover-able. Maybe that’s not true, but it feels that way

[hot moth]

only blessing that seems to mater is RNG for better hipfire accuracy (the irons suck, a lot)

Perks I go unyielding/reload speed, in theory you could go carapace to slightly improve crusher TTK but it still takes the same number of needles so w/e

[broken moss]

you can kill everything if ur good enough but u dont have the tank for what he can do

or the utility

[ripe seal]

You might be able to stay alive solo a bit but not to the level of a zealot with shroud/dash and second chance

[arctic imp]

My point is designing a class that suffers from mistakes the most without feeling like it does anything insanely well as a trade off is disappointing.

[manic wolf]

Clutching on Scum is just hard, as per the design of the class

[manic wolf]

Scum has absurd levels of damage output

[hot moth]

dat hyperoffense though, the ability to absolutely smoke mixed horde like a blender at arm's length is quite hte luxury

[manic wolf]

Glass. Cannon.

[broken moss]

it does damage really well

[hot moth]

you can solo a "side" of mixed horde the way no other class quite can

[manic wolf]

If you're expecting to use your face as your shield like you can on Arb or Ogryn, its not gunna happen lul

[broken moss]

up there with psyker. at least in normal content.

[hot moth]

with shredder's accuracy you become a turret that also runs ridiculously fast to find beter angles and get around corners

[spark bough]

Honestly... HS is one of the classes of all times atm.

[hot moth]

don't sleep on the ability to shoot while sprinting forward, the more I actively take advantage of it the crazier it seems

[knotty grotto]

thanks

[hot moth]

you can rotate from skirmishing with specials as a rearguard to clobbering the thick hyperconcentration at the front of your team in an instant

[arctic imp]

No and I don’t, I can dodge. I’m rarely getting hit. My point is when I do get hit, it feels like it’s essentially game over. Sometimes the class feels really good, and sometimes it doesn’t. The moments of power feel distant from each other after playing psyker for so long

[hot moth]

If all you're chasing is "power" then i think you'll be hardpressed to get a class better than either psyker or arbites

Scum offers unique gameplay but probably not "objectively more powerful"

[ripe seal]

I think a gun vet can probably put out higher potential damage than a gun scum but gun vets can’t afford to shit out mountains of bullets like you can with desperado, they’d end up running out of ammo long before

[limber cradle]

Scum requires actual input unlike Arb and Psyker ime

Arb can drool on emself through the entire mission

Psyker gets babied by their in tree scaling for existing

[manic wolf]

Well theres yer problem right there. Psyker is broken, and has been for a good while, it really needs knocking on the head. Scum is like you earn your power through good play, Psyker has it handed to them on a silver platter with a side of caviar

[knotty grotto]

have the heavy sword mks had any changes? last i played was in like, july

[hot moth]

This is about what I came to

Gun vet can burn specific targets down very quickly with teh right weapon but has downtime or limited resources, like bolter magdumps, plasma ammo (a very real resource), kraks that regenerate slowly

Meanwhile despacito DAP/shredder scum can continually blender anything short of a bulwark/crusher if it's in direct LOS

[manic wolf]

Not that I know of, but could be wrong

[ripe seal]

I don’t think they ever really got changed besides 2 new blessings

[undone falcon]

Still mid, at least in my opinion. Not awful, not great

[knotty grotto]

2 new blessings?? damn

[arctic imp]

Y’all make some good points. I’m not giving up on scum, it feels very fun and it could just be a comfort thing. Feeling comfortable with your tools makes a world of a difference in gameplay outcome imo

And maybe i’m not there yet

[limber cradle]

You ever play vermintide?

[arctic imp]

Yes

Hated the dodge mechanic but I still had a ton of fun in it

[limber cradle]

You want to play scum like vermintide ime.

[arctic imp]

Vermintide dodging felt like I still got hit despite dodging

[knotty grotto]

im big on the emperors children and heavy sword lets me rp their sabres so i tend to enjoy its feel more than the rashad

im assuming the heavy sword build in pins also works for rashad

[ripe seal]

Scavenger is a better support aura than scum’s ammo aura, but the only way a gun vet can compete with self sustain is a storm trooper build with las, desperado and pickpocket is just fucking insane

[undone falcon]

It's why I exclusively play forges bellows, too bad the outlaw doesn't say kill for ol kruber

[hollow venture]

is the Alchemist penance bugged? just did a round where I spent the whole game pretty much at 3 stacks of drug abuse but gained no time towards penance

[grand jewel]

pretty sure you have no immunity in Vermintide, was strictly getting out of the hitbox, distance based

[manic wolf]

Most people got skill-issued by Scum whilst levelling up, its ok to not be comfortable with it. It is a noticeable sidestep from the design behind the rest of the classes, but thats what its designed to be; the high skill class. Arb was designed for the casual gamer, this one is not, an thats fine

[trim wind]

Gotta let a stack fall off

[hollow venture]

so I gotta get a stack, let one drop then get back to max?

[arctic imp]

Wow, I don’t like that

[hot moth]

pickpocket really is just absurd

[knotty grotto]

how does hive scum's survivability at level 30 compare to pre-tree rework psyker squishiness?

[trim wind]

Yea it won't register the time until you go back down a stack

[hot moth]

ranged scum is a god
Melee scum has issues

[hollow venture]

thats bugged for sure then :/

[knotty grotto]

the way that mirrors staff build and melee scriers is hilarious

[ripe seal]

I thought desperado was fine enough but I tried pickpocket for a single game and I felt how absurd it was, you just legit never have to stop shooting unless there’s a delay in special spawns

[trim wind]

I think it's just poorly implemented

[knotty grotto]

playing so much psyker before the rework was good practice

[woeful trellis]

you can really feel the difference between a decent scum and a good scum on your team. a decent scum does good damage and occasionally needs to be bailed out, a good scum handles everything at once and is never threatened. i don't know how they do it

[limber cradle]

Poorly implemented penances? In my darktide? It's more likely than you think.

[digital lynx]

desperdo doesnt give you almost any buffs outside of infinte ammo really either

[grand jewel]

psyker was never squishy

just attack enemy for massive toughness

shrimple as

[undone falcon]

Rat/Roach mentality. Ready to bolt for safety at a moments notice

[novel oracle]

15% rending and 15% damage from that subnode
20% sprint speed which is vastly overlooked
and ofc all ranged immunity for its duration

[hot moth]

it's a fairly heavy damage buff i thought, 15% multiplicative?

if it's 15% additive then lol

[ripe seal]

Melee scum is nice but I’m not sure how they really compare to something like melee zealot builds besides better options to minor in ranged damage and rampage going dummy in bosses, especially with chem synergy

[hot moth]

oh yeah and the rending helps

[manic wolf]

It was squishy before the talent tree reworks to be fair, but since the first one its been a machine that converts psychological illness into a toughness bar

[knotty grotto]

definitely but i wouldnt call pre-rework comfy unless it was on like...purg

[arctic imp]

The thing is, foundational dodging is something I’ve had for awhile. I can escape the hits all day, but for some on reason on scum specifically it feels like things occasionally slip through regardless. I’m not exactly sure why

[hot moth]

the advantage of "melee" scum is that they're actually a needle pistol with infinite ammo

[digital lynx]

its super easy to build enough to be good at range as well

[woeful trellis]

i think the team also matters quite a lot, because if you can make space for your scum to go nuts they just shit out damage

[hot moth]

they play on needle pistol primarily and have a powerful backup in the form of the entire rest of their melee oriented build

[ripe seal]

The fact that you get to use your gun in every situation is the big power boost of desperado, the node for power helps a lot

[hot moth]

(because needle pistol+pickpocket is stupid)

[novel oracle]

melee scum in the right hands especially WITHOUT pickpocket is nuclear tho

[manic wolf]

I play melee Scum with Needle pistol... and I forget I have the pistol most of the time lmao

[knotty grotto]

poor stub autos

outshined by needle

[novel oracle]

vamp plays heavy sword scum in our havoc runs with needlepistol without pickpocket as a backup ranged

[hot moth]

is he seriously just avoiding the netire left side of the keystones area

[arctic imp]

why heavy sword?

[novel oracle]

lots and lots of damage

[hot moth]

surely he has two points to spare to reach pickpocket after grabbing attack speed on left side

[novel oracle]

scum is the best character for heavy sword

[ripe seal]

I feel myself shredding hordes with rampage doing nothing but light spam on crowbar, and I feel ragers falling left and right

[knotty grotto]

cole if i wanna run combaxe i could probably just yoink the heavy sword build for it no?

[manic wolf]

Melee Scum has absolutely cracked damage output

[novel oracle]

why would you spent 2 points when you could just spend those for more melee buffs

[hot moth]

because you already kill carapace with needle pistol meaning you can afford to take a melee weapon that sucks against acarapce

[undone falcon]

I run melee scum without pickpocket, I never really feel like the ammo is that tight (at least in Aurics). I use a stripped down needle pistol to sprint around and shoot hvts and then pulled out the bonk bar and go to town on whats left

[near relic]

I have heard that Nimble on Scum is bugged and lowers dodge invulnerability. Is this true?

[manic wolf]

Cole, hit him with the HS clip

[novel oracle]

this isnt the case on scum

[novel oracle]

which one
the psyk crusher one
the auric crusher one
or the rodin one

[manic wolf]

Yes.

[void cedar]

What does the gang recommend for stims

[ripe seal]

Apparently that’s a case of a he duration buff only apply to melee and not ranged for some weird reason, so people are saying that the bonuses are applied when you’re dodging melee but not ranged, but you’re still locked into the dodge for longer against range

[manic wolf]

Nope, it increases linger time, so it does nothing for ranged, but gives you more leway in melee, the ranged element is largely inconsequential anyway because you're playing Scum, you can just queue up another dodge. It also gives you greater distance, so thats nice

[grand jewel]

wouldnt you like to know

[void cedar]

I'm runnin vulto (crit) and kalma (cdr reduct)

[novel oracle]

what they all said

tests people thought it was bugged for was for things only applicable to melee

[void cedar]

i don't really feel the cdr reduction from kalma though

[novel oracle]

when they checked for ranged

[coral mirage]

ive just gone full attack speed/ stamina

[limber cradle]

Huge fan of Fervor/Vulto

[coral mirage]

with boosts to cool down

[ripe seal]

I mostly just run power and attack speed, I tried all sorts of shotgun desperado builds and I think it just feels terrible

[undone falcon]

Are you stiming while your ult is running? The cdr doesn't kick in until the ability ends

[void cedar]

yeah, i know

i just still don't really feel the extra cdr

[manic wolf]

I cant see the Combat Shotgun being much cop with Desperado, but Double Barrel is apparently pretty decent

[void cedar]

Wouldn't know the numbers though

[coral mirage]

Fervor, reflex or spur 4

Which one do you all reccomend?

bottom left of stim lab tree

[hot moth]

I'm extremely curious what buffstacking is going on there because heavy sword has like what, 0.2x against carapace?

even a crit headshot is looking pretty thin

[grand jewel]

hyper violence

[drifting heron]

Literally just hyperviolence

[grand jewel]

[hot moth]

hold on

does hyperviolence damage NOT get the carapace modifer applied to it

so if you carry over hyperviolence damage from killing a poxwalker

[manic wolf]

Hyperviolence is just utterly disgusting

[hot moth]

hyperviolence deals its full damage to a crusher?

[novel oracle]

both of the 7s heavy attacks are strikedowns, so that uppercut is also doing this damage too
theres also 25% rending from rampage
and hyper violence basically always procced with a kill in the same swing

[hot moth]

without taking the 0.2x?

[novel oracle]

its a flat number

[ripe seal]

I tried the double barrel alot of times and you really feel when something isn’t 1 shot even with both barrels, if your shot doesn’t kill your desperado is kinda just screwed. The combat shotguns seem to have a weird thing where loading a special shot still drains your reserve ammo. The basic shots work the same but you feel the individual reloads, even if popping ult can instantly refill the gun

[grand jewel]

hyper violence can also buff itself

[hot moth]

hot damn, I didn't realize hyperviolence worked like that
That greatly affects the way I approach mixed horde then

[novel oracle]

i actually probably should go check
im not actually sure if its added before or after the adm

id assume before

[near relic]

@novel oracle What's the best horde combo for bonesaw? I have seen the best results with PA > HH so far.

[novel oracle]

even if it is before, it being a flat number does so much for it

[novel oracle]

thats it

[near relic]

Neat, thank you

[bronze glade]

the heavies are so fucking slow

the lights are unironically better

for horde clear

[near relic]

I feel clever for figuring it out myself.

[ripe seal]

Bone saw is either thator light heavy combo, though I just spam lights on it and it seems to work fine

[novel oracle]

mixing a push attack in there keeps it safe and all the cleave stuff really makes them actually work

[manic wolf]

Interesting, I might give it a go tommora an see if its workable or not. Shame about the special shells though as that would have been really neat with Duckbill shotgun

[bronze glade]

yeah i use PA L L L L

i tested it against heavies

heavies are just too slow

[ripe seal]

That was literally my go to idea

[bronze glade]

you wreck your clear speed

[novel oracle]

scattershot manstopper with 3 barrels tho

[knotty grotto]

how does deathblow/bromentum interact with buffed cleave?

[hot moth]

zarona shotgun speical shot spam is a real build

similar to needle pistol you don't play it with desperado, you play it as a melee build

[drifting heron]

It doesn't

[limber cradle]

The literal only thing killing me on scum rn are fucking poxbursters

What did FS do to the poxbursters man

[knotty grotto]

would buffed cleave talents be lost on a hsword/combat axe build then?

[manic wolf]

They're so fuckin goofy this patch

[drifting heron]

More or less

[limber cradle]

I want to know how this happened

[manic wolf]

Pushed one earlier an it got up three times in the middle of a hugely dense horde before exploding in my face ¬.¬

[drifting heron]

Heavy sword has actual cleave though

[limber cradle]

I just shoot them atp

I'm not going anywhere near those fucks till next update

[manic wolf]

Yeah, given enough distance I will, but sometimes the cunt comes out of a spawn door next to you an its either push it or die

[novel oracle]

@hot moth yeah its totally before the adm
but thats fine
you have 25% rending and the attacks against everything else deal TONS of damage

[knotty grotto]

im assuming for rashad then i shouldnt have the +50% cleave during rampage node lmao

bet

[compact vigil]

how yall feel about the Crowbar?

[drifting heron]

No you should have that it gives more power

[knotty grotto]

oh

i cant fucking read

thanks

[vocal saffron]

which personality is in this clip for hivescum?

[near relic]

It is probably strong, but I can't stand it. Something about the moveset makes me feel >:(

[spice cloud]

U dont need it on a melee build

[near relic]

pretty sure anarchist female

[ripe seal]

I don’t know how numbers work and if the cleave bonus on heavy sword is redundant with the cleaving buffs melee scum gets, my usual go to back when it was zealot specific was damage on cleave and brutal

[spice cloud]

Pickpocket is nice but simply unnecessary for melee

[vocal saffron]

thanks oomf

[compact vigil]

i love the sound from it xD. i should try the heavy sword soon tho

[stiff sleet]

What would the dump stat be on the Needle pistol?

[spice cloud]

Mob?

[near relic]

Damage afaik

[stiff sleet]

Yeah cause that would only modify the NEEDLE impact right?

[near relic]

Korrekt

[ripe seal]

Heavy sword getting potentially 50% rending from cleaving a horde would be a nice option to have

[novel oracle]

@hot moth extremely common example for a real game

sometimes theyll just get in the way on the swings for the crushers too

[stiff sleet]

Wouldn’t Stopping power also be pretty much identical because of this?

I got a SP dump one already

[ripe seal]

Would hyperviolemcr make the rampage blessing for heavy sword better or redundant?

[near relic]

That also probably works. The gun is just a means to get toxin on enemies

[vocal saffron]

Is this the vii? Do u still run dblow and hter?

[novel oracle]

yea

[vocal saffron]

Might try the vi

The vii feels weird to me

[ripe seal]

The 9 was always my go to

[novel oracle]

the 7 is just heavy spam for single target
and heavy special for group clear

but with hyper violence on scum you can get away with h1 > light spam into hordes as itll take your damage high enough to hit full deathblows with each swing

[knotty grotto]

im assuming heavy swords marks are still mostly preference tho right? none vastly outperform the other?

[ripe seal]

The only difference should just be swing patterns

I don’t think any specific performance changes

[knotty grotto]

yeah i remember running mk9 since it had a simple pattern but switching to 6 since it looked cooler

[sturdy marsh]

Taxe is fun af on scum

[novel oracle]

this is why i use the 7 on scum

[knotty grotto]

i just cant fw how 7 looks

idk if theres any heavy sword skins

finding a list of all cosmetics is harder than i thought it would be

[knotty grotto]

there hasnt been any paid ones that are a whole remodel?

i mean im not surprised, not exactly a popular weapon but

[novel oracle]

there are but just not in the shop

i just dont have any

[knotty grotto]

ah

thanks either way, will look in the shop

[novel oracle]

like dude the shit hyper violence does to this thing

[drifting heron]

Nefarious

Sinister

[novel oracle]

you dont even see the swing

[fast gust]

Hyper Swing violence

[flat mist]

Jeebus

[frigid sluice]

how does this work

since desperado doesn't instantly go on cd when you use it

does it just shave off 5 seconds once desperado end

[hot moth]

yes

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[frigid sluice]

rad

[spice cloud]

Not really worth imo

[hot moth]

tbh it's probably worth dropping

[spice cloud]

5 secs is nothing ull easily get that just from curios.

Also stimm exists for cdr

[cedar cairn]

Is it just me or is Auric just fucking nuts rn

[woeful hill]

How so?

[cedar cairn]

Special spawn rate absolutely cracked

[spice cloud]

Its aight

Idk wym

[woeful hill]

Didn't notice it

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-what-insomnia-no-sleep-gif-13337078

[cedar cairn]

Snipers, bursters, trappers and dogs all spawning in packs of 2-3, running out of doors right to next to us

[grand jewel]

if you think thats bad

play havoc

[atomic escarp]

Hello, does Hyper-Critical only apply to melee?

[young herald]

yes

[spice cloud]

If i play histg thats what i expect lol

Thats what i want!

[fast gust]

Cooldown reduction will only hit 3.6 seconds, so technically no

[glacial gyro]

It seems stamina on weapons increases the bonus from Swift Endurance

[young herald]

nah, auric is the same as it's always been; it can spit a lot of shit at you with the right modifiers and map seed, the patch hasn't changed that.

It has made bursters completely fucking stupid though

[fast gust]

Just shoot bursters for now

[young herald]

they're all kinds of fucked rn, and that makes things weird sometimes

[fast gust]

It really is a gamble to go push them

[rustic axle]

please god give me mobility ffs

[young herald]

i just like the time I pushed a burster and it proceeded to start moving back, and then start twitching and flopping in the air, bounce off a wall that didn't exist then chase me around twitching and flopping and beeping after me for a solid like 4 seconds before it got bored, switched from following me to moving in a straight line, and then exploded on the first wall it ran into

it was the weirdest fucking thing

[astral coral]

Don't use it ATM. It's bugged you get no toughness for hitting people only for the kills

[toxic dagger]

I'm developing suspicions that the threat reduction on sprint talent is making the poxburster AI lose its mind

[patent bone]

They need to. That's blue gang cosmetic, not dirty stinking purple

[toxic dagger]

No evidence whatsoever just a gut feeling

[young herald]

that absolutely could be it

[lavish bronze]

Trust the gut feeling

[patent bone]

And Water Cartel atleast HAVE a purple piece on their torso

Look how much better the cosmetic is with proper Blue color

[fast gust]

I'd agree but bursters have been funky in scumless lobbies too

[tulip magnet]

Everyone keeps pissing off the dhs lol

[toxic dagger]

What the fuck is a scumless lobby

[tulip magnet]

Do all new players just see it as a boss?

[toxic dagger]

Nothing I've seen before

[astral coral]

All enemies are fuxked ATM

[rustic axle]

and wtf is a mobility dump bone saw

[young herald]

i did once, long ago, in the before times

[rustic axle]

because oh my gooooooooooooooood

[tranquil fjord]

normally all enemies would immediately target the player with the highest threat level, which staggering them immediately puts one at, which is a system shared with vermintide 2 iirc

[astral coral]

Dogs don't wiggle before jumps. Poxbursters either silent or jump from miles

[patent bone]

Ayo Hank, I might get a petition together, would you like to sign it?

[astral coral]

I'm getting netted around corners

[pallid quail]

yea thats normal

[pallid quail]

if the petition involves making the class suck less ill sign it

[fast gust]

I'm pretty sure dogs doing the running pounce instead of the slow pounce is intentional

They have always done it

[tranquil fjord]

this becomes very weird due to the threat talent

[tulip magnet]

what hidden knowledge does he posses?

[fast gust]

[young herald]

https://tenor.com/bdZLI.gif

[echo plaza]

They haven't done fast pounces this often though

[young herald]

literally just that

[fast gust]

I notice the same amount as pre patch

[vocal saffron]

i recall cole saying that this isn't intentional

and i'

ve noticed no uptick

[astral coral]

Yes but what about the weird poxbursters lately? Or getting hit by shit but you're certain you blocked/dashed

[echo plaza]

I am not the only one saying this

[vocal saffron]

i noticed the bigest uptick during UnL

biggest*

UnL broke dogs i think

[fast gust]

It's been in the game for almost 3 years. It pretty much is a mechanic at this point since the dog rework

[vocal saffron]

in a multitude of ways

something to do with their netcode

[pallid quail]

https://tenor.com/view/no-mpreg-1984-mpreg-big-brother-male-pregnancy-gif-83533964675188427

[vocal saffron]

you used to be able to simply dodge dogs as they flew at you

not the case anymore for whatever reason

they teleport magnetically onto you

[young herald]

yeah, the dog's pouncing with no build-up is a bug, but it's been in the game for forever and hasn't changed with this patch

[vocal saffron]

noticed it the day of UnL

a lot of these sorts of bugs exist

[young herald]

yup

[vocal saffron]

like the shield instakill bug

[dire badge]

Dog jumping at you is the equilibvent of a foxy jumpscafe

[vocal saffron]

fatshark has barely ever mentioned it, maybe once, and it's been in the game since the moment a shielded enemy was dropped in the game (official launch)

bugtide

[abstract lichen]

I feel like no build up pounce is a feature of dogs that are already running in a straight line at you

[vocal saffron]

also i need a lower desk

[young herald]

the only significant thing for enemies with this patch, afaik, is just that bursters and a handful of other AOE effects are so far beyond fucked it's not even funny

[woeful hill]

I don't think QoL updates bring in the same amount of players like a new class drop does

The spaghetti is too deep now

[fast gust]

Or a free weekend

[novel oracle]

im downloading that vfx limiter

i cant fucking see

[young herald]

yeah... that's def something I've noticed on scum

it's a bit much

[woeful hill]

I actually know the reason for the captain bug

But fatshark probably does too but has no idea how to fix

[patent bone]

It's to change one of the cosmetics on the Cartel Proud torso

[young herald]

is it a framerate into ridiculous collision velocity issue?

that's the case like half the time for insta-kill effects

[woeful hill]

Your position is being resycned for some reason and if something happened before (teleports from bells, insta Downs from havoc, ledged, etc). It will resynch you to the spot you died at. And you take all that distance in fall damage

That's why it goes through toughness

[young herald]

rofl

that's great

[steep gyro]

it probably doesnt help that u have 5 trillion extra ui elements right in the middle of ur screen

[woeful hill]

Real

As a no hud enjoyer

[sturdy linden]

that wouldn't change their explosion radius though would it, because that's ALSO a problem

[steep gyro]

im not even no hud but i think i'd go fucking ballistic if i had anything other than like. stamina & dodges in the middle of my screen

[zenith fern]

I wonder if the Disable Effects mod has been updated to removed scum stimms effect

[woeful hill]

It pains me to see so many hud elements added to people's scenes

[steep gyro]

its just too much shit in the middle of your screen

period

[woeful hill]

I don't have anything on my screen bar weapons and hp

[drifting heron]

Don't you have everything in top right

[steep gyro]

basically ya

well

not anymore

[young herald]

default UI 4 lyfe

[drifting heron]

Then sit down you cannot be talking about bad ui organization

[steep gyro]

im playing game completely vanilla now because getting mods to work on linux is a royal pain in the ass

[worn portal]

which autogun is best vs crusher? Ive been testing rending stim with desperado and if double stacked, i could kill 2-3 crushers before duration is up in lab using some of these

[fast gust]

Speak for yourself I have a kill counter that vibrates, gets bigger and violently pops up when I'm killing things

In the middle of my screen

[steep gyro]

I don't even have the luxury of guaranteed weapon swap/ability activation anymore

[patent bone]

Is dual stubs good against crushers?

[woeful hill]

Probably Vraks infantry or the double shot vigilant auto gun

[young herald]

See, I get the same dopamine, but I don't ruin my aesthetic just by using the heavy sword

[steep gyro]

idk it works

and keeps shit out of my way

[zenith fern]

No and why

[steep gyro]

idk i just dont like hp in bottom left its fuckass spot for it

[zenith fern]

Unless you want crit build lol

[patent bone]

Because fun

https://tenor.com/view/gun-slinger-gun-slinging-cowboy-red-dead-gif-15753058

[zenith fern]

People who go desperado dual stubs are interesting ones, I always see them waste time and go down easy

[patent bone]

I found a build thats pretty interesting for dual stubs

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077be66-a1c9-4623-aa8c-3ce4af979bbd/crackhead-john-wick-high-havoc-build

[hot moth]

I am not a believer in heavysword versus carapace

[spare glen]

everyone yells at me for having a minimal hud

[hot moth]

hyperviolence played intentionally helps but sometimes you just run up against a fuckass quad crusher pack and it's just like

"time for the needle pistol"

[spare glen]

but the game is responsive enough and it helps me concentrate

[glacial gyro]

after lots of playing I can only conclude the chainaxe is goated

[woeful hill]

Yes

[glacial gyro]

hive scum has, built into its kit, the solution for the chainiaxe's biggest flaw, its speed

[woeful hill]

Great single target, slower horde clear but can be helped with attack speed

[limber cradle]

I got to double clutch with Scum in mortis trials, felt cool. Same round even.

[steep gyro]

me when i lie (crit stat on stub pistols currently non-functional)

[glacial gyro]

with one stamina curio, Swift Endurance gives 20% attack speed

[echo plaza]

I still have not played mortis trials

[glacial gyro]

Then Rampage on top of that, and your Stim

[sturdy linden]

It's 2.30 am and I'm finally done with my work.. Y'all think I can manage a win before I crash?

[steep gyro]

a win in what

[grand jewel]

no

[limber cradle]

Yes

Absolutely

[grand jewel]

not with the way you play

[steep gyro]

i think u have a chance if u go on sedition

[limber cradle]

H40 solo win

[steep gyro]

but they removed that difficulty

so

[sturdy linden]

[steep gyro]

yeah no chance

[limber cradle]

Coming right up

[steep gyro]

sorry bro

[woeful hill]

Speaking of H40 solo

[steep gyro]

no

[fast gust]

[steep gyro]

[woeful hill]

Got to mid event with melee scum

[frigid wave]

Apologies for jumping in, but am I supposed to be constantly dodging and zipping around as HS?

[steep gyro]

yes

[woeful hill]

Yes and no

[limber cradle]

How much do you practice for H40 solo?

[woeful hill]

Are you being targeted by a melee attack? Yes, are you being targeted by ranged? No, slide

[worn portal]

columnus infantry autogun seems like a good balance - 70 base weakshot crit dmg. Was doing 400 dmg per shot pretty consistently just spamming shots into the head

[frigid wave]

It seems like if I stop moving or miss a Dodge I'm downed

[steep gyro]

yeah that's kind of the point

[woeful hill]

I do a few runs some days, average time spend is probably an hour a day

[worn portal]

got lv2 sustained fire and punishing salvo atm for 16% dmg boost and 40% weakspot bonus

[limber cradle]

Alright, thank you.

[frigid wave]

Okay I guess I need to keep practicing my dodging

[steep gyro]

embrace your inner fent fiend

[woeful hill]

Some times I get ogryn ambiance seeds and I leave on the spot

[abstract lichen]

How do you survive drops/airlocks in solo

[worn portal]

hmm this is like the anti-carpal-tunnel class if you just wanna go into COD smooth brain mode

[woeful hill]

I don't want 10 bulwarks

[worn portal]

and hold down fire key

[abstract lichen]

There's like no place to kite to

[woeful hill]

Long answer or short?

[abstract lichen]

Yes

[steep gyro]

no that would be smite psyker

[vocal saffron]

lol

[woeful hill]

Drain director tickets

Short answer

[frigid wave]

I'm already a gremlin in a mission I just didn't know if that was the point haha

[abstract lichen]

Guh

[vocal saffron]

gunners can melee you while youre swallowed by a burgle

[abstract lichen]

So farm kills before going into airlocks

[woeful hill]

In a sense, yes

Also it's possible to trigger triggers pre drops/airlcoks

So pull the spawns up

[abstract lichen]

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/beach-ball-beach-bonk-bounce-funny-gif-15078580

Rock

[abstract lichen]

Wizardry

[woeful hill]

It's a lot of map knowledge

Plus depending on map/situation

Pushing forwards and stopping before the next trigger

[worn portal]

ya but this literally has dumdum as a blessing

i feel pretty udm dum ngl

[woeful hill]

So I have room to move while not spawning more enemies works

[abstract lichen]

Is it possible to learn this power

[woeful hill]

Yes

Time and research/testing

I have 3900 hours

[abstract lichen]

[steep gyro]

dont worry

[woeful hill]

And have done a lot of solos on every map

[steep gyro]

we know

[grand jewel]

Nokko in warframe be like

[worn portal]

[woeful hill]

When something spawns in game, there is a reason for it

[rigid dock]

is the reason that the director hates you sometimes?

[woeful hill]

Probably a special surge

Or a patrol

[astral coral]

Scum melee feels so nice when there is a ogryn to hold and caress me

[woeful hill]

Or you stepping on a boss trigger

You can read the director

[ancient basin]

honestly I have just been slow walking around on my hive scum, combat shot gunning ranged until a horde tries to flank me, then rampage

Has saved my ass many many times, as this class cannot move fast on its melee build, it can just dodge well. Two very distinct things

[grand jewel]

[woeful hill]

But they mix

Very well

Dodge side ways to yeet yourself forwards

Just learn the move tecs

[ancient basin]

I want to go fast, but the only go fast talent is desperado

[grand jewel]

brother

nimble

[woeful hill]

Don't need nimble

[tulip magnet]

someone eli5 the dual stubber flourish

[ancient basin]

I can slide dodge yeet no prob, im just saying it gets me killed when I try to use it into shit on hive scum

[woeful hill]

With stamina eco it's great to slide spawn and side dodge

[vocal saffron]

ainz

[tulip magnet]

it feels like no empower happens

[vocal saffron]

for hivescum

[woeful hill]

Cica

[vocal saffron]

are the blessingz 4 the dclaw sitll rampage and shred

[last kelp]

I've figured out how to do melee scum, you dont, and instead run stim supply and boost a melee psyker with full attack speed and strength/crit stims

[limber cradle]

need nimble? no. love nimble? yes

[woeful hill]

Yeah that's what I've been using

[vocal saffron]

kk

[woeful hill]

No need for wrath they get cleave, stagger is meme

[young herald]

hit special -> aim cone tightens -> fire -> shoot with extra finesse, stagger, and cleave

[woeful hill]

So no other blessing really

[vocal saffron]

what's the good dclaw again

[grand jewel]

speed is speed

[woeful hill]

Idk

[vocal saffron]

iv

?

[fast gust]

I don't use any dodge extending talent because it messes with my distancing to smack mutants as they pass me

[woeful hill]

I use mk1

[vocal saffron]

wat .

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-20591327

[tulip magnet]

oh, it's a finesse booster. I was wondering why the damage was the same

[limber cradle]

I be running nimble, vultures, shivs, and the stimm with boosted movement stats

I fuckin love going fast

[woeful hill]

Learning basic move techs also goes a long way

Side dodges probably the best

[limber cradle]

Side dodging during reloads cause I can't sprint

Run and Gun should let me reload while sprinting too

[tulip magnet]

It's not called Run 'n' Reload

[rigid dock]

whats the tac axe mark everyone loves again? been a long ass time since i used one but brunts robot had a perfect one on sale

[woeful hill]

Mk4 is light spam

[limber cradle]

Reloading is however apart of Gun™

[woeful hill]

Mk 7 is pa heavy

So whatever you want to use

[tulip magnet]

nah

[woeful hill]

I use mk7 on most builds

[rigid dock]

thanks hoss

[woeful hill]

But mk4 on martyrdom zealot

[main wagon]

It's basically pink lol

[fast gust]

mk4 is a mouse and hand destroyer, beware

[main wagon]

Both the show and treadies get a form of "hazard" paint and the most you get on cartel is zebra stripes

[woeful hill]

Yeah if I play it, I do only 1 run

[fast gust]

Better use some form of macro if you do wish to have a mouse last and to not develop carpal tunnel

[rigid dock]

i got a controller so hopefully my hand works a little longer than that lol

[woeful hill]

Try it out, but don't risk hand damage

Mk7 is a lot safer

[astral coral]

Is that the reason people be hating on the shivs? Carpal tunnel?

[woeful hill]

It's not as spammy as mk4

[ancient basin]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08acd49-9528-4001-80da-d40f33e40ba4/rampage-7

this the build I have been running

shivs are good

I like the stab ones for the anti carapace

[grand jewel]

anyone elses scoreboard crashing their game when they pick up ammo

mine did it once, said something about max ammo stack

so I turned it off

[neat heart]

is scoreboard really that important

[fast gust]

Yes.

[woeful hill]

Depends how it's used

[main wagon]

^

[fast gust]

PowerDI is the only reason I can do averages

[patent bone]

Is porple

[woeful hill]

I use it to collect average numbers for solo runs

[fast gust]

I would be back to pen and paper noting if it wasn't for it

[kind zodiac]

ok question which drip is better first or second

[fast gust]

Second

[astral coral]

First one likes to play with Lego
Second one likes to smoke cigars

[rustic lava]

I personally think the inquisition hat works best but your head choices are solid

[spice cloud]

They just allways find something to complain about lol

[patent bone]

Funny hat

[patent bone]

Skill issue

[main trellis]

More like
weak body
Imagine having that condition & not being old

[main wagon]

:((

Their headband is actually the nice dark purple

But their super unlock pants are so bright

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/sdffsdf-buzz-lightyear-all-star-tower-defense-gif-23057849

The first picture

[patent bone]

Your pauldron is darker than C154C1

You silly billy

[main wagon]

It's a tad less saturated

[patent bone]

It porple

[main wagon]

It's certainly not the same purple as the headband, which is my point

[patent bone]

We shall make another petition

[zenith fern]

I would have become rich by counting every single veteran I see wearing the inquisition coat with commissar hat

[main wagon]

And their sleeve is a gross beige as opposed to gang colored

Quit making posts and let it be a forever bug

[main trellis]

Could be way better

Also toughness regen spd on curios YIKES

[patent bone]

Our headband is the same beige honestly, but I use a mask

[rustic lava]

Anyway objectively these are the best heads in the game

[zenith fern]

The head

[main trellis]

I wish i had beta helmet; it looks good to me

[fast gust]

I miss the space balls bets helmet

[zenith fern]

I like the bottom helmet because of the skull stickers

[patent bone]

Now it's perfect

[main trellis]

Even fits the colors

[zenith fern]

"Counter-Herectics wins"

[main wagon]

So you can get the beiege sleeve and we can get a dark purple one then 🙂

[patent bone]

Fuck no. We get Blue sleeve

Dark Blue, like out pants

[main wagon]

Im still stealing your pants though

[patent bone]

Lady Steel wills it

[patent bone]

Fucking jean stealers

[echo plaza]

Beta helmet and prison jumpsuit is the og fit

[random shuttle]

Can't have shit on Atoma

[echo plaza]

[random shuttle]

Morning shmoopsies

❤️

[rustic lava]

I personally miss our low effort event helms now that they are gone

[patent bone]

Stole an Enginseers crowbar. Funniest prank ever

[rustic lava]

Bring back the skulls or warhammer day helms for our new classes

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

"It's just a prank"
The prank the dude hit me with:

[last kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388631531035037807/1447497498469072906/Swingy_swingy_2.mp4?ex=6937d698&is=69368518&hm=71562e138ff71d1d6a3f8b60817d45c3f27e21c4a710545c8cdc59d8e55752c4&

[young herald]

"bro, you survived. It's not a big deal, calm down."

[patent bone]

The arbitrators house after I pranked him with a gas leak and microwaving a fork

[novel oracle]

ive never seen a video more motion sickness inducing

[random shuttle]

I call this "Luscious Glad Iator"

[novel oracle]

its like you have screenshake INCREASED from default

[patent bone]

Don't worry, It was on Camera so it's all good

[hot moth]

seriously on large open maps

you can do a thing where you are constantly sprinting with W+A/D

[last kelp]

not my settings mucker but considering how unhinged he is, wouldnt surprise me

[hot moth]

literally circle-strafing horde

it's absurdly fun

[patent bone]

No protection from purple nurples

[zenith fern]

Weapon bob and sway too

I legit learned that those are the worst thing you can add to any FPS game

[main wagon]

Bodycam ahh footage

[zenith fern]

Idk how people can play fine with them on without feeling nauseous

[last kelp]

But yeah at this point I'm basically just not playing melee hive scum anymore when I have a melee psyker in the match because I may as well just give them crack instead

[rustic lava]

Borderlands have it and its not too bad

[zenith fern]

I tried Battlefield 6 the other day and the default settings had screenshakes all on

It was the worst thing until I disabled everything

Besides keeping explosions screenshake but very low

[compact vigil]

gonna steal this

[rustic lava]

Zealot probably relates to hivescum

[drifting heron]

Nah its the same for both

[patent bone]

Sometimes I forget to use stimms

[drifting heron]

Ability
Left click
Win

[patent bone]

You forgot sprint

Those gunners never had a chance

[abstract lichen]

Sprint optional

[main wagon]

Took me a few games to get used to "use ability-sit in despacito for a while-use stim to get ability back"

I was never a chronic stim user before scum. I always sat on them lol

[abstract lichen]

Save stim to inject your fellow rejects in the extract

[patent bone]

Play this to increase stimm duration
https://youtu.be/0HHeoiHzfGw?si=7q5cVl0iFRHmFE3e

[main wagon]

How do you stim other people? It instantly consumes when you hit the button

Or do you mean with crate?

[patent bone]

I had other people stimm me with the default stimms. They trying to have me OD

[vocal saffron]

I FUCKING HATE DESPERADO

[terse creek]

Beta gamers gang, rise up

[vocal saffron]

IT'S SO BOOOOORING

[patent bone]

I love Desperado

It's so based

[calm aurora]

OG vet 2.0

[tepid cosmos]

Not at all more than likely the thing Cole said in test cause it’s happening in games with no hive scums

[vocal saffron]

p much lmfao

im just usin it so i can go back 2 rampage,,

and adreno rush ,,

[novel oracle]

and in games where im the only scum and i dont have it

[main wagon]

Ive finally started getting non-scum games and people stim you when you get corrupted

[vocal saffron]

i just remembered i havent dropped a talent in like 7 levels

oopz

[main wagon]

It's so sweet

[vocal saffron]

u can stim other ppl w ur hivescum stim ?

[main wagon]

Had one game where two of us were corrupted and I asked the veteran to grab the stim and hit one of us

[calm aurora]

Apparently hitboxes are larger now?

[patent bone]

Actually best community

[main wagon]

"Whichever you like better"

The third player was like "oooh telltale decision"

I got stimmed and felt like a million bucks

[novel oracle]

you can only give it via the crate

pressing the stim hotkey auto uses it on yourself

[tepid cosmos]

I’ve had it in games where I’m the only one, including havoc earlier with a zealot ogryn and arbites and I don’t run that talent

[novel oracle]

@toxic dagger me nor vamp run the talent
combine is the only one alive
the burster sounds way further and on another floor

[dense hollow]

sound doesnt seem to be the only thing thats screwed

[astral coral]

With the stim crate

[dense hollow]

i saw someone bash a poxburster and it does a 360 in place and downs the psyker

[novel oracle]

its the most common occurance, and happens with other specials
but bursters get the extra surprise of doing whatever the fuck they want sometimes

[dense hollow]

surprise mechanics

[rustic lava]

The burster is pretty busted in non scum games as well

[fast gust]

Burster pushed? Nah I don't think so

Burster started jump but you changed cover side? Cancel jump anim, jump again

Playing with a bit of latency? Burster Za Warudo

[terse creek]

Havoc?

[novel oracle]

40

[rustic lava]

Bursters also apparently just spawning right next to you

[tepid cosmos]

We also had a very weird one where a ritual daemonhost was seemingly trying to aggro me but I was dead as fuck she just walked away from the rest of them and then stood still out in the hall lol

[terse creek]

Figured, Havoc is usually where I encounter audio bugs the most tbh

[rustic lava]

Its not just havoc where burster just don't make a souund

[novel oracle]

the fact that keep getting more and more is a problem

all of these are new

i just exported them

[lethal quartz]

stop testing my sanity with these

half of the time I just hear the boom

[sinful matrix]

What's really funny is both the dog AND burster had zero noise until they were in their attack animations

We love darktide

[novel oracle]

this ones for you
your blood pressure seems a little low

[terse creek]

Dude, that shit sucks when it happens, specially on H40c it’s like playing the worlds most dangerous game of tag

[fast gust]

Cole I am angry already and I have yet to talk to the client

[grand jewel]

I just like seeing what is actually doing more in a build

[lethal quartz]

I was internally malding in the middle of all that from the bursters

[grand jewel]

though toxin is not showing on it atm either at or or properly so my current build it would do nothing for

[sinful matrix]

Dogs and trappers are the only thing that really kill me anymore on Ogryn

I just learned to accept it

[main wagon]

I feel this one on a spiritual level

Ignoring every first push we love it

[novel oracle]

there was a 3rd one after this btw

[terse creek]

scum supremacy

[novel oracle]

i had 3 happen to me in 45s

[sinful matrix]

Oh, I die to bruisers still on scum because of limit testing

[main wagon]

Trying to use desperado but the director keeps spawning bursters

:))))

[sinful matrix]

Stark contrast between scum and ogryn

[tepid cosmos]

It’s probably been my biggest death since the update, though trappers, dogs and snipers have also been doing some weird shit and the fps drops I’ve been getting ain’t helping

[novel oracle]

exactly

[terse creek]

Those are some rather jumpscare/fainting bursters, lol, I need to get some games with you cause I haven’t had that much spookiness on my end XD

[lethal quartz]

please compile all these for ninjacalle

I beg

[sinful matrix]

I suppose the one upside to specials being broken is that it makes the game actually hard

[sinful matrix]

You could send infinite trash at most players at high diff and it means nothing

[novel oracle]

not in a fun way

[terse creek]

Nah, that’s just dirty

[rapid fulcrum]

rocket time

[sinful matrix]

Look, I find my silver linings where I can

[fast gust]

Besides we already have barrel pvp to make the game hard

[sullen ridge]

post cool hive scum

[terse creek]

For havoc? Def not fun, considering one of those could be a run ender, haha

[novel oracle]

this is both BS and an audio issue
tell me you heard the one not coming up the stairs until it was close and within LoS

[sinful matrix]

to clarify: It was a tongue in cheek joke

But also a morbid silver lining

[sullen ridge]

my hive scum is my chipper vet after spending 3 hours on tertium

[vast ferry]

@novel oracle why is this thing on the needle gun, it's completely dead 😒

[terse creek]

I’ve had stuff like that happen in my havoc games, but not to that extend neither this much

[novel oracle]

i put that there knowing it wouldnt work just to fuck with you specifically

[steep vale]

scame so hard with this shot

[ancient basin]

yeah after the update the game director sometimes just goes nah, fuck your run, 16 pox bursters in a row on top of consistent special spawns and mixed armor horde

[novel oracle]

hive scame

[sinful matrix]

Shit I have this regularly happen in auric/maelstroms and havocs only make it worse

[grand jewel]

one chem grenade solves that

[steep vale]

is the clip even working for yall

[rapid fulcrum]

mucker

[novel oracle]

i thought itd be for rizzler

[sinful matrix]

Chem Grenades killing bursters randomly will always be pain though

[terse creek]

Prob something I’ll start seeing more of soon maybe? Maybe Ive just gotten lucky so far

[novel oracle]

nah its prolly just discord so it takes a sec

[steep vale]

[rustic lava]

I feel needler needs its own set of blessing as nothing in the existing blessing pool really vibes with it at all and it seems just don't work with it

[novel oracle]

yeah thats kinda the point of the special

[steep vale]

i hit 2 tho

with 1 bullet

[zenith fern]

Deadass just deleted the original video and made new one????

[lethal quartz]

rizzler for enemy, ninja for the havoc load stress test

[sinful matrix]

I had no idea the dual pistols even had a special shot

[novel oracle]

yeah ive thought this for months now

[sinful matrix]

I've just been using them like dualies in CSGO

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-paw-annoyed-hiss-gif-16279788301067456967

[zenith fern]

Higher stagger, damage and tighter spread

[glad latch]

Wish the devs would of bothered to make blessings that made sense for needle gun, instead of copy pasting many that don't even make sense for it to have because they don't do much if anything.

[novel oracle]

ig
but its an enemy problem only exacerbated by havoc stress

[lethal quartz]

exactly, might as well hit it from both angles

[novel oracle]

needle pistol is just the most obvious example
but tell me
how do you use all or nothing on hive scum with a .5 stam delay with 2 regen/s

trick question
you dont

[glad latch]

yeah you can't lmao

[toxic dagger]

Oh yeah but that's not what I'm talking about, that's not a behaviour issue. That's something wrong with the sound cues / proximity logic (you also mentioned the failure of the auspex scan to indicate distance with the larger or smaller dots and I thought that was a smart shout). I was replying to someone describing a burster being really inconsistent in its movement and explosion decisions

[rustic lava]

I got some ideas for blessing for it

1. enhanced concoction - Increase alt radius when you hit a taget with both primary and alt fire
2. Contagion - spread tox effect to a nearby enemy on crit

[glad latch]

Not to mention it is encouraged to run at least 1 stam curio due to the attack speed talent.

[novel oracle]

they do that tho sometimes lemme find it

[terse creek]

Issue with the needle is, does it really need damage blessings? Cause the thing as it is on its own is 👌

[sturdy linden]

winners win

woe to the unbelievers

(my mods are still broken I crashed 4 times before I finally gave up and disabled them)

[steep vale]

basically hugging him i dont see the issue

[toxic dagger]

Bend it like Beckham

[glad latch]

I think most of my mods finally work again, only uptime mod needs a patch now.

[toxic dagger]

That's so cursed

Have you sent all of these to rizzler yet?

[novel oracle]

in a perfect world we get new blessings that play into what makes the weapon special
we actually got more than we got last time
refined lethality is a new blessing
we didnt get a single blessing for arbites

[novel oracle]

not yet but i have all of them in my folder ready to send lol

[toxic dagger]

I think Fatshark fucking hates working on blessings for whatever reason

[sturdy linden]

also I have to say

[toxic dagger]

Hit him

[sturdy linden]

bleed/tox mk3 shivs are utterly insane

[novel oracle]

i just keep getting more so i dont want to keep adding another

then another

then another

[toxic dagger]

Okay maybe wait till next sesh and slam him then

[novel oracle]

hey rizzler heres a ping for another 5s clip

okay byeee

[terse creek]

Nah, do that, we ball, XD
Plus what’s the worst he could say?

[sturdy linden]

I don't even have Swift Endurance and it just shreds everything

[glad latch]

refined lethality is just copy pasted mercy killer, except it works with toxin instead of bleed. So we got zero new blessings I think.

[rustic lava]

They made like 3 new ones I think maybe just 2 and 1 renamed for the scum weapon

[novel oracle]

he's already aware and i mentioned the proximity thing and said he'd take a look when he got a chance
but when theyre really popping off there again ill bring it up big time

[novel oracle]

they still have to do that tho