hivescum-class

[sand tendon]

hi sploits

[broken moss]

whats the deal with this anyways? ive gotten that crash before and had to put that line in my launch options. dont really understand whats happening to cause it

[sturdy marsh]

Finally got that sweet sweet 4k diamantine

[muted holly]

there's a memory leak happening in Lua

[broken moss]

https://tenor.com/view/xx-gif-15660269

[barren pebble]

download more ram

[sturdy marsh]

I hope one day I'll get a stock pile. But they keep releasing new characters

[muted holly]

or an extraordinary (and unexpected) amount of table objects being allocated that exceeds the amount of mem allocated to the Lua environment

[broken moss]

i have 64gb

[barren pebble]

damn how long are you playing for

[broken moss]

it has nothing to do with the ram you have

[barren pebble]

my rig only has 40gb after some casualties and i have not noticed

[broken moss]

its limited to 1gb or something and you have to raise it to counter the issue. not sure whats causing it tho

its specifically related to mods, from what i understand

[barren pebble]

havent you always needed edited memory params for mods

[sturdy marsh]

I'm very jealous

[barren pebble]

i think i only have 20k diamantine

[dim moth]

no

[muted holly]

I've never modified Lua environment RAM

[sturdy linden]

think I have like 200k after maxing out my weapons

it just kinda adds up over time

[barren pebble]

huh yeah i dont have launch parameters and it doesnt have an INI for it must be thinking of another game

[muted holly]

and I never CTD except when I'm working on my own mod that's causing the issue

[teal nova]

Darktide players when someone with 30 hours in the game hasn't accumulated as much resources as someone with 300 hours in the game:

[barren pebble]

curiouser and curiouser

crash log?

out of curiosity

[median pasture]

okay, I'm a little confused by how the "stimm doctor" side of the tree is supposed to work. Stimm Supply and Chemical Dependency seem to have an actual anti-synergy

[terse creek]

Around this parts, we call that a skill issue

[zealous ravine]

me when i go to the diamantine mines with my branx pickaxe

[bronze glade]

correct

you don't take both at a time

[terse creek]

They have anti-synergy, yes, it’s why most don’t use them together

[bronze glade]

if you take stimm supply, you take adrenaline

[grizzled mulch]

So when are we getting the option to put more tattoos on our scum?

[median pasture]

well, that's a badly laid out talent tree, then

[grizzled mulch]

Plus duel sawed offs

[median pasture]

but thanks for confirming my suspicion

[sturdy linden]

suspicion is it's bugged

[mossy tapir]

if you take stimm supply either take adrenaline or just dont take a keystone and put those points elsewhere its allowed

[zealous ravine]

dual bonesaws

[barren pebble]

they had a broken synergy and that was disabled so now they have none

[sturdy linden]

https://tenor.com/view/relax-chill-блендер-blender-спокойствие-gif-9944403019738330384

[barren pebble]

the problem was dropping stim packs would shorten the cooldown on stim packs

and combined with other CDR etc it was a big problem

[median pasture]

leading to zero downtime? Yeah, I can see that being borked

[tender marten]

take all the buffs stims get

quadruple them

thats how it was

[barren pebble]

i imagine we'll get a patch in a week or two once they figure out how to skirt the problem

im not sure how they missed it in testing lol

i literally looked at the two skills once and went "oh shit" then tried it and found out they didnt interact

man im downright poor compared to what i thought

havent been in the damnation mines ig

[tender marten]

look at this pathetic pauper

doesnt even have one resource maxcapped

[random shuttle]

🎵 Every Day I'm Scumming, I'm Scumming for youuuuu

[broken moss]

damnation mines?

[real dew]

I have a little more plasteel 😛

(over 300k)

[barren pebble]

running damnation missions is the fastest way to get crafting resources

[somber blade]

over 300k plasteel sounds like youve not maxed every weapon for every class

[real dew]

I actually play the weapons

I've done all the ogryn and like 90% of the others

[barren pebble]

i've got something like 6-10 perfect weapons on every class for the stuff i use

i did a lot of crafting in the bad old days if i had just kept my resources...

^ her retirement fund was built on my suffering

[median pasture]

lol that's your definition of poor?

[tender marten]

🤷‍♀️

[barren pebble]

see?

[wind crane]

do i just use autopistols until dart pistol?

[broken moss]

ah ok. thought auric would be

[barren pebble]

auric gives more money but the same amount of crafting resources

[broken moss]

i mean its not necessarily "fast" i guess but i thought u get more per mission

[tender marten]

really wish i could just dump all my mats on somebody in the mourningstar

legit serves me no purpose

[broken moss]

oh damn

did not know that

[barren pebble]

as i understand it it's secretly a mission modifier on regular damnation

under the hood

[broken moss]

time to hit the damnation runs

i mean it makes sense. they likely expect people to be outfitted by the time they hit auric

damnation should need more mats

[sturdy linden]

they should actually enable trading

[wind crane]

guys im lvling a hiver, should i invest into autopistols or is there a better alternative under lvl 18?

[sturdy linden]

it'll hurt no one lol

in fact it might encourage newbies to hang around

[barren pebble]

oh and the weekly havoc crates give a ton of resources i just never remember to talk to dukane

[muted holly]

literally zero reason to trade

[spark gyro]

I think they should buff HS's stimm

[muted holly]

in this game

[spark gyro]

I use it when I press the button, which means I can't equip it

[sturdy linden]

trade as in giving resources to others

[spark gyro]

And if I can't equip it, I can't jork it grimdark style

[sturdy linden]

because after a point, why not

[broken moss]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-cute-nest-yell-open-mouth-gif-17628302

[tender forge]

you can jork the pack though

[broken moss]

it would encourage begging

[worn canopy]

Talk to my 0 Diamantine wallet

[barren pebble]

they're great for desperado but really you can do any gun. needle pistol might be the best for levelling actually it doesnt need any numbers

[sturdy linden]

yeah but you just ignore those shits

[dim moth]

I will scam them for 9 gorillion plasteel

I'm gonna be a plastillionaire

[barren pebble]

mourninstar chat would go from almost always empty to diamantine selling bots

[sturdy linden]

idk stuff like this happens all the time in ARPGs so it doesn't bother me. I wouldn't mind dumping some resources to some newbie

[barren pebble]

ff14 limsa underground lalafels

[worn canopy]

I have 0 diamantine and 9k plasteel

[sturdy linden]

bigger issue would probably be real-money trading in such a scenario

[worn canopy]

I told Diamantine is worth more plasteel

[sturdy linden]

[broken moss]

this too

holy shit the ramifications of allowing trade

[worn canopy]

I hate go explore missing scourging mats

[tender marten]

69,420 plasteel to anyone who sends me n00ds

[barren pebble]

you'll generally be diamantine limited yeah. you get proportionally more at higher difficulties which helps

[tender marten]

(DO NOT)

[broken moss]

too late

[worn canopy]

200 isn’t enough

[tender marten]

AAAAH MY INBOX

[muted holly]

... do you think bot farmers would write actually better AI for their Darktide bots?

[worn canopy]

Per run on damnation

[broken moss]

no

[tender marten]

id be impressed if they could

but the answer is indeed probably no

[barren pebble]

they'd grab the easiest spawns at the start of the mission and then lose

and repeat that over and over

[tender marten]

keep in mind there's a fine line between "bot" and "actually just a hacker"

[main wagon]

Absolutely this

[tender marten]

you could very easily make a bot good by filtering all the ingame information and just have it instantly dome everything in the head with an autogun

[muted holly]

that seems most likely

[tender marten]

but that would not be fun to play with

VT2 bots bordered on hacks

They would just get overwhelmed sometimes by different priorities and completely breakdown at some point.

[broken moss]

i mean spidey sense is basically hacking

[tender marten]

I can't count the number of times BardinBot just stood on my body watching me bleedout while he held right click.

[broken moss]

only thing ive not seen on nexus is an actual aimbot

even that im sure exists somewhere

[tender marten]

it does, ive seen it

watched him fire his lasgun with perfect accuracy into a mauler's head for zero effect

and then he got overheaded and died, and quit

it was great

[manic wolf]

Lmfao

[unkempt tide]

Is the dodge recov talent still bugged

[tender marten]

It's almost definitely not bugged.

[manic wolf]

It was never bugged

[unkempt tide]

I remember something dodge related was

Mebbe Im not remembering correctly

[tender marten]

It's based on a misunderstanding.

And the guy who posted the bug report was only proving his own misunderstanding.

[unkempt tide]

O

[tender marten]

Kuli set it straight lol

The talent works exactly as it should.

[sturdy linden]

wonder if he's a youtuber too

[tender marten]

Anyone claiming it LOWERS your dodge window is very incorrect.

Nah just 'a guy'.

I mean his methodology wasn't bad necessarily, he did science it a bit.

[broken moss]

mr e again?

[manic wolf]

Ok, that was funny, bravo you

[tender marten]

But dodge windows have nothing to do with ranged damage, which is what they used as an example.

Everything else is uhhhhhh I mean

Mad cuz bad, tbh

[manic wolf]

I believe the polite term is; "Skill issue"

[bronze glade]

just tested, it's working correcly

[tender marten]

If you already couldn't dodge a crusher overhead with the 250ms dodge period, then 375ms isnt going to make a significant difference for you in most instances

[bronze glade]

at least in psyk

man even with 3 +3 stam curios i can't block a crusher overhead on hiv 🙁

[tender marten]

And as someone who can dodge those attacks the added window doesnt do anything for me because I'm not going to 'dodge later' just to take advantage of it.

[unkempt tide]

Does the spin shot have any different ADMs compared to the regular shot

Not sure why Id ever use it

[tender marten]

stagger adms yes i believe

damage no

finesse yes

[unkempt tide]

Hmmm

[bronze glade]

no this guy actually looked at the code

[iron maple]

Hey, what does the special ability does for these? I cant tell but it seems like when I press tab quick and then left click it does a higher dmg shot but I am sure its just a regular crit idk

[unkempt tide]

That doesnt seem worth tbh

[manic wolf]

In all fairness I feel like very few of us are taking it for the increased dodge window and its mostly about the distance buff

[sturdy linden]

it has pinpoint targeting, a finesse bonus and a stagger bonus iirc

[somber blade]

you get insane accuracy

[unkempt tide]

Id rather do 2 shots normally

[sturdy linden]

Reginald goes over it in his video I think

[tender marten]

more finesse, more stagger, tighter shot

[iron maple]

How many times do I have to press Tab for it to activate?

[forest escarp]

AVOID THIS BROKEN DODGE TALENT! Top Ten USELESS HIVE SCUM TALENTS in DARKTIDE™

[bronze glade]

i think it's 20% more crit

[somber blade]

hold it

[bronze glade]

if mod isn't lying to me

[iron maple]

Alright I will try

[tender marten]

yea but all the salt about it 'being bugged' is about how the dodge window doesnt work and is getting them killed, which is pure cope

[iron maple]

MY MAN that is fucking sick hell yea

[manic wolf]

Oh yeah, undoubtebly the case

[unkempt tide]

Dodging ez

Compared to VT2

[tender marten]

oh deffo

principles are the same tho

learn to pace, learn movesets, time it right

you shouldnt need 375ms of dodge window to pull it off successfully

and if you do then idk how you have been playing any other class in the game

[unkempt tide]

Ya just domt fight crushers on stairs

[tender marten]

altho i guess there isnt ZERO new-new players after the patch

[novel quest]

I feel like, with enough time, this class is gonna be known as "you're really karking good at the game if you main this"

[fair oar]

i played this class too much. went back on psyker and ran into guns thinking it was ok

[unkempt tide]

Chem nades prob gonna get nerfed

[tender marten]

i think chem nades are fine

[manic wolf]

I dont think so tbh

[tender marten]

i think the chem blitz is what needs a nerf lol

[novel quest]

chem nades are fine

[barren pebble]

the real benefit of the extended dodge window is other attacks than the main one you're dodging tbh

[tender marten]

3 stacks on the blinders is way too strong, should just be 2

i shouldnt get an instant trash clearer on a regenning grenade

[unkempt tide]

U can get toxin on blinders?

What stacks are u referring to

[manic wolf]

Yup, and on the RPG

[barren pebble]

with a bottom right talent

[tender marten]

center of the bottom right

[unkempt tide]

Oh right

[novel quest]

this is exactly what kraks are

I dont think it's problematic

[bronze glade]

kraks?

[novel quest]

krak grenades

[tender marten]

i think its very problematic lmao

[bronze glade]

you mean frags

[tender marten]

its way too flexible

[barren pebble]

blinders would be WAY more problematic if they regenned correctly its only because they dont that they arent lol

[iron maple]

any advice how to deal with crushers when using these? mauler r no issues for the guns to handle its just them crushers that a bit pain in the a##

[bronze glade]

you're using kraks... to horde clear trash?

[unkempt tide]

I havent seen a vet with frags on a hot minute

[tender marten]

2 stacks means you'll have to toss out more for the same effect and i think thats fine

but rn you dont really have to be choosey unless youre trying to melt an entire pack of elites

[barren pebble]

special on saw switches to a brittleness coating but you can also just dot them down with chem toxin

[somber blade]

hope for the best and pray your teammates got good crusher damage 🙏

[tender marten]

you just toss a single one out and all the fodder falls over for free

[forest escarp]

weakest vet enjoyer or something

[manic wolf]

This is arguably true. People have gotten caught up in the spectacle of the area denial grenade and the benifit of the blackouts has slipped by most. They are absurdly good

[bronze glade]

rocket launcher blitz

[iron maple]

Alright thx guys

[tender marten]

blinders are just better chem grenades, i stand by that

[barren pebble]

i wouldnt run that pairing imo i prefer full chem with saw and needle pistol

[manic wolf]

I agree, 100%

[bronze glade]

eh sorry but blinders can't just nuke an entire horde wave

[tender marten]

at least with 3 stacks

[tender marten]

they can

[barren pebble]

the chem grenades are huge and good for objectives but thats about it

[tender marten]

thats the problem lmao

[bronze glade]

not even in aurics, they can't

[tender marten]

they do

[bronze glade]

you can toss 5 of them, and it won't be enough

[bronze glade]

nah, already tried

[tender marten]

go i nthe psyk right now with toxin on them

[barren pebble]

15 stacks of chem toxin isnt enough??

[tender marten]

one nade = anything below bruiser is done

[forest escarp]

replace boom bringer with the tf2 rocket launcher on its entirety
let me shoot feet and juggle crushers

[bronze glade]

alright, this convo isn't worth having

[tender marten]

two nades = anything below plasma gunner is done

[novel quest]

ah wait mb confused em for frags

[barren pebble]

that should be its niche, ROCKET JUMPS

[main trellis]

they can but need the chem stacks talent; they die

[manic wolf]

Like Blackouts are basically just Arb impacts with Psykerfire to do thier damage. They give you a get out of jail free card vs armour walls and can murderize everything that gets caught in the blast short of Crushers

[bronze glade]

i know you can kill things with blackouts

[tender marten]

otherwise blinders are purely utilitarian (and still good)

but the toxin just puts it over the top

[novel quest]

anyway tox blinders aren't that problematic

[bronze glade]

even with tox blitz, it doesn't have anywhere near the staying power as chem nades tho

[main trellis]

i mean DUH

[bronze glade]

chem nades will stick around until the entire horde is dead

[tender marten]

deffo not but you know what chem nades dont do

regen 40 for free over a match

[main trellis]

but it provides what the class lacks...
STAGGER

[barren pebble]

again blackouts dont regenerate anywhere near as fast as they should

[manic wolf]

Or knock Crushers and Bulwarks on their asses

[tender marten]

INSTANT COVER COMING UP

[bronze glade]

laughs in shout

[barren pebble]

per the tooltip that is

[bronze glade]

oh sorry "forge bellow"

[mossy tapir]

fighting your 3 teammates and yourself with pocket tox for grenade regens is too rich for my blood

[manic wolf]

If you factor in Pocket Toxin, I would rank Blackouts as one of the best blitz options in the game tbh

[forest escarp]

soloing the excise vault final objective in record time
||while 3 randos are fighting for their lives on the other side of the room for some reason vs a handful of zombies||

[placid drum]

Yea chem nades are really powerful as a blitz but then you gotta compete with others for those nades really

[mossy tapir]

great nades but like they ain't regenning that quick

[muted holly]

pocket toxin isn't enough to make them a good enough replacement for the proper chem grenades

[placid drum]

I like being able to regen my grenade and leaving those nade boxes for others

[main trellis]

yeah but if you're extending it which you wanna do you wont just use it in some time; its not like vet shout

[north plank]

I really like Stimm Supply

[bronze glade]

yeah vet shout has stronger cc

[north plank]

most interesting of the 3 new abilities

[forest escarp]

i truly wonder sometimes if i could make excise vault last an hour+ by just deciding not to do the entire thing by myself

[novel quest]

still don't think it's problematic because the regen isn't that insanely fast and you have to go out of your way to even invest in the talent anyway if you're anything other than a chem build. and what chem build's running tox blinders anyway when what they wanna achieve can be done with chem nades

[main trellis]

also hordes are ez; should be ez - its what comes with the horde you're suppose to use your tools for

[mossy tapir]

stimm supply is rad as hell

[thorny ginkgo]

why does it always say no available parties, am i doing something wrong?

[mossy tapir]

its the only combat ability that you don't need to wait for its duration to be over to get cooldown back lmao

[north plank]

Instead of "you melee stronger for a little bit. Kill to continue buffs" or "the exact same thing but with your guns"

[tender marten]

I wouldn't really call that 'out of the way'.

[bronze glade]

because party finder is dogshit

and nobody uses it

[mossy tapir]

and because of that you can stand to make more powerful stims, which in turn get shared with your homies

[thorny ginkgo]

oh ok

[bronze glade]

except if they're doing CBT (havoc)

and have no choice

[tender marten]

You want sample collector after all

And you're not gonna take the coherency range talent for that lmao

[terse creek]

Some people don’t use it cause it’s, eh.
Because it lacks actual coms most of the time
Or to avoid the quality of players that lurk it

[broken moss]

why pf for auric maels?

[tender marten]

I mean i guess you could but. Lmao

[thorny ginkgo]

just put random

[mossy tapir]

its like a budget pocket toxin nade

[main trellis]

when i see a boi use chem nades on a horde then there are like 3 options;

1. They are doing the penance (it goes lightning fast i only needed 2 games to get both penances done)
2. They farm kills/stats for scoreboard (bad pepega action)
3. They don't know any better (Pepega)

[novel quest]

ngl. not a necessity depending on what you want to achieve with your build

[thorny ginkgo]

ooh ok

[novel quest]

sometimes it's actually encouraged to do smth else

[terse creek]

Not a lot of people know how to dodge on scum as it is 💀

Somehow

[placid drum]

If im dodging like a mad man the things that normally kill me on scum is when i dont have any spacial awarness and bump into a box

[broken moss]

they dont know how to dodge on anything

[main trellis]

such basic knowledge...

[rotund agate]

mostly the same here...

[broken moss]

usually if i get killed its cuz i was focused on stuff in front of me and some mauler or some shit crept up behind me and one shotted me

[rare idol]

I use chem nades when I think the group is gonna wipe if I don’t use chem nades or if I want to get an objective done or if I’m bored and I feel like it

These are all equally important reasons to use chem nades

[terse creek]

My golden run for just a relaxing auric run: never stand near your team when you hear multiple pox or if in the middle of a decently sized horde

[bronze glade]

chem nade is basically ogryn nuke

except you can get 4 of them

and it kills crushers

[amber sundial]

and a single pebble doesnt block half its AOE

[barren pebble]

when i get killed on scum its because im foolishly trying to rescue someone whos just going to go down again 10 seconds later lol

[placid drum]

Same here

[rare idol]

I bring wall. If I’m in a good mood I use wall to protect teammates from bursters. If I’m in a bad mood………. wall goes down after the burster leap

[mossy tapir]

usually when i get killed on scum now i probably would've ate shit on any other class lmao

[terse creek]

And bulwarks, why does no one talk about em😥

[barren pebble]

bulwarks got a lot less scary when they lost the forcefield

[broken moss]

cuz bulwarks are easy kills

[manic wolf]

All Scum's Blitz options can kill Bulwarks

[bronze glade]

carapace scary

[novel quest]

bulwarks are easy yea

[bronze glade]

but yeah tbf

bulwarks are really fucking ass to fight

[rare idol]

Bulwarks were always pretty easy

[novel quest]

just dodge around the shield or toss pocket sand

[bronze glade]

esp when multiple show up and the shields start overlapping

[placid drum]

Yea you bait their attacks or just dodge around to their side and smack em

[terse creek]

Yup, I just say it cause frankly, I hate when they spawn along side an already existing horde, makes em annoying

[novel quest]

they are ass when it's bulwark walls

[eager otter]

whats the max amount of chem toxin stacks you can apply through melee crits talent

[novel quest]

but otherwise they're generally easy

[bronze glade]

when it's one or two of them it's fine

[rare idol]

Bulwark wall covering for crusher wall is pain

[bronze glade]

but in packs

it's pretty aids

[barren pebble]

chem toxin caps at 30

[amber sundial]

only the tox nade is soft capped

[bronze glade]

and the trapper that sneaks in behind the wall

[barren pebble]

needle pistol applies 3

[amber sundial]

everything else reaches 30

[broken moss]

everything is aids in packs

[manic wolf]

That is the scenario I actually quite enjoy having the Boombringer with Pocket Toxin im not gonna lie

[bronze glade]

and phases a nade through bulwarks

[terse creek]

That and havoc 40 punishment Bulkward hordes still has given me ptsd

[eager otter]

wdym soft capped

[bronze glade]

nah most human elites are just free neuron activation in packs

[novel quest]

I hope dec 9 we see a boom bringer buff

[broken moss]

if you somehow were unfortunate enough to see a pack of 20 snipers in the distance thats gonna be a rough time

[amber sundial]

it only applies up to 7 on its own

[unkempt tide]

The bulwark circle jerk with the trapper behind all of them

[manic wolf]

I just want more charges on it tbh

[unkempt tide]

Classic

[mossy tapir]

needler applies 6

[eager otter]

oh ight. ty

[terse creek]

Snipers are ez tho

[bronze glade]

3 base please

[broken moss]

a handful of em, maybe

[manic wolf]

If they play thier audio correctly anyway

[novel quest]

same. more charges and maybe more aoe or more dmg

[barren pebble]

huh misremembering meat grinder session from a few days ago

[broken moss]

but if youre in an open area and they have flanks on you, youre probably fucked

[unkempt tide]

Silent snipers lowkey scary

[placid drum]

All i been really running is my desperado build and i focus on taking out ranged foes mostly

[sturdy marsh]

Are we not supposed to activate the shrine? I just had a guy ask "why would you touch the shrine?" Isn't that the point of the event?

[novel quest]

I really, really want flak or cluster grenades

[manic wolf]

Im gonna test it with Lethal Proximity and Pocket Toxin in a bit an then decide if it needs a bigger AoE or not

[amber sundial]

the shrine is the point of the event yes

[barren pebble]

wait for relative safety because it spawns a fuckload of extra enemies and a boss

[sturdy marsh]

Yeah it was clear when I activated it

[barren pebble]

ah then idk

[manic wolf]

Coz thats the best case scenario for it, an if its good with those, then it getting an AoE buff would probably mean its broken

[amber sundial]

what does the shrines buff even do

[tender marten]

Or don't. Be like that one Chad in a match I played who activated two altars at once during the Baross bridge drop.

[amber sundial]

it looks like zealot relic icon

[barren pebble]

shrines give you 100 progress i know that

[tender forge]

it was me

[barren pebble]

i have had people ruin runs by triggering shrine mid horde lol

[tender marten]

Shit was fun

[manic wolf]

Ive had that in a match before too, it was fun as fuck ngl, Twins, Slug and Spawn

[random shuttle]

ez pz

[hazy vector]

this goofy ass haircut removes any aura

[barren pebble]

i gotta finish getting my scum to 30 so i can escape sub30 queue hell

[manic wolf]

Oh nice, you did it, gg man

[novel quest]

based

[terse creek]

Be a man: active the boss in the middle of a horde, doesn’t matter if shit is bleak, cull the casuals and let the good player remain standing

[random shuttle]

DOT Shivs needs no healing nor ammo to fuuuuuck

[manic wolf]

Yeah I can see it for sure

[unkempt tide]

Do shivs have an inherent crit bonus

[north meteor]

what do you have to do for that

[random shuttle]

Auric mortussy never taking ammo from packs or using med station

nothing too demanding

[manic wolf]

I believe so yeah

[north meteor]

oh that's not bad

[manic wolf]

Is that no ammo full stop or is it just from crates?

[random shuttle]

just from crates

[north meteor]

can you take grenades?

[random shuttle]

yes

[manic wolf]

Like put-down crates, you can still take the bags out supply drops?

[tender forge]

oh just noticed that the leader of the show is female

[tender marten]

The hardest part is saying awake through an entire mortis trial

[livid raven]

i'm not sure this is true

[random shuttle]

ah no clue - never picked any

[livid raven]

the text is wrong

[barren pebble]

with a sharer scum and a veteran i bet you can shoot as much as you want anyway lol

[livid raven]

you only need to not use the heal in the medistation

[manic wolf]

Eh, will just not pick any up then to be safe

[random shuttle]

well i didnt pick any ammo anyway so

😄

[livid raven]

that's because your build isn't an epic desperado build

or it is

[somber blade]

picket pocket op while 90% meele

[random shuttle]

nah I am doing Big Shiv Shamboolie

[novel quest]

shivs are the best unique weapon scumbag has by a longshot

[barren pebble]

if you're doing desperado well you should have insanely good ammo efficiency

[terse creek]

As a scum using the chem nades, I’ve come to despise vets who don’t have field improv and will try my hardest to get em kill out of sheer spite, XD

[main wagon]

Im so excited to be done with all the stim penances so I can go back to despacito

[barren pebble]

you can get away with never using real bullets even

[main wagon]

Of course penances are optional...but rat brain like see number go up

[north meteor]

I've never done a mortis trial I don't think

[bronze glade]

BS / cb make me sad 😭

[random shuttle]

I love Mortis

the modifiers are whack

[main wagon]

I have the Remembrancer title lmao

[barren pebble]

does stim crate progress the stim penances more than just stimming?

[main wagon]

Mortis is so fun

[random shuttle]

Ogryn with endless grenades tanking everyone fps to 2 😄

[barren pebble]

mortis is a silly time

[main wagon]

Maybe the poors

[novel quest]

I like them both but bone saw feels really slow and bad, and crowbar is also kind of insane im ngl

[barren pebble]

its a good break between regular runs

[north meteor]

when did they add these lmao

[main wagon]

Nah jk it's the engine itself breaking down at multiple ogryn box healing nades lmao

[manic wolf]

Im quite looking forward to seeing what Scummer modifiers are

[random shuttle]

And mortis despite being easier due to combo modifiers

can still check you

[main wagon]

Autodesk is SCREAMING

[bronze glade]

cb feels like it absolutely needs adren/rampage, agreed on bonesaw. literally the best way to use bonesaw is light spam which means they've horribly fucked up attack timings.

[random shuttle]

because Auric 10-11 can drop on your head like 20 bosses 😄

[terse creek]

Good look getting any teammates, hard to find pros on auric

[random shuttle]

Rampage one is nutty af XD

[barren pebble]

i havent made a perfect crowbar or saw but i cant imagine them keeping up with some of the competing options sadly

[manic wolf]

Excellent lmao

Ima gunna Chainsword it 😄

[livid raven]

it's like 3

[barren pebble]

i think the engine caps at 4 bosses and will supply more as you kill them if they're queued?

[terse creek]

That’s just a normal day on Havoc 40, lol

[random shuttle]

Nope? What. Not. Just had this Auric and we got in one wave 4 Spawns, 4 Plogryns and 3 BoNs 😄

[livid raven]

not all in one wave

[barren pebble]

the end of auric mortis is often a revolving door of bosses

[livid raven]

it depends on the seed

boss wave is actually one of the easiest imo

[random shuttle]

By wave I mean actual Wave Number.

And Objective waves can spawn them endlessly

[livid raven]

yes, you are not seeing 10 bosses in one wave unless you are really just dragging out objective waves

[barren pebble]

i mean you can really see the behavior where they're limited in number and spawns are queued up

plogryn goes down bon turns the corner etc

[random shuttle]

so it seems the Shivs

give a hefty +12,5% crit chance

[barren pebble]

thats p good i wasnt expecting more than 10

[placid drum]

Yea the shivs can reach insane amounts of crit chance

[random shuttle]

I mean even 33% baseline is nutty

[barren pebble]

i gotta run critchem shivs havent bothered yet

[dim moth]

yeah you can get up to 100% with chem dependency

[random shuttle]

no wonder the dots stack like cray cray

[dim moth]

literal only class in the game capable of that

[somber blade]

if you got bad fingers it will ruin your hand

[placid drum]

then smack on coated weapons as a added bonus and stack toxin stacks

[dim moth]

yeah

[placid drum]

I recently did a match with rampage with shivs since i never tried it and my god

Its a wonderful blender expierence

[spark gyro]

nothing ventured, nothing gained

[random shuttle]

Innate Weapons Crit Chance:

• Shivs: +12.5%
• Bone Saw: +5%
• DAP: +5%
• Stubs: +5%

[placid drum]

Everytime i play with shivs it makes me feel like im playing kerillian from vermintide 2

running dual daggers and just zooming

[tender marten]

was hoping for sword and dagger moveset tbh

but this is fine

[nova tangle]

what perks do people run on autos? is it just flak carapiece?

[tender marten]

carapace goes on almost no guns

[placid drum]

I honestly run flak and maniac

[tender marten]

flakiac yea

[nova tangle]

ah

[tender marten]

flak elite, flak unyielding

[placid drum]

You will mulch pesky rager packs in no time

[nova tangle]

look im about to see the desperado hype lol, any advice?

besides shoot more

[tender marten]

shoot even more

[placid drum]

Honestly be aware of where your teammates are covering and should focus on taking out ranged units

[tender marten]

also try to fight the urge to dodge gunfire. It's difficult for me lol

[placid drum]

since you are immune to ranged attacks in the stance so you can just bum rush a firing line and watch them go "Oh shit"

[random shuttle]

Remember while you're immortal from ranged you are very much NOT from melee 😄

[tawny tundra]

I imagin this is only for piss resin and not urple?

[random shuttle]

so dont just run past a funky mauler who might just use his Magnetic Slide Slam 😄

[nova tangle]

if i put back on slippery customery i can be immune to both

[hardy maple]

I dont realize how much i rely on stun immunity and having a charge to get in close until i dont have it anymore

[smoky mica]

https://tenor.com/view/ourple-purple-afton-michael-afton-michael-afton-why-he-ourple-gif-24429838

[placid drum]

Thats why i got the melee slide immunity combo with the increased dodge it helps alot with dancing around as i shoot

But man it does still suck to get just one smack on ya at the end of a slide

[coarse patio]

What are some cool hivescum builds, I wanna make a build that gives the dual auto pistols like 100000 ammo

[proud rapids]

does the stim crate give progress for enhanced?

[unkempt tide]

Howre people liking the stimm crate ability

[livid raven]

everybody hates it

[nova tangle]

that can be done with just one talent pickpocket

[nova tangle]

its fantastic

[random shuttle]

nu uh

[vast ferry]

OP afffffff

[mossy tapir]

stimm supply funny

[random shuttle]

it must because I use it to farm enhanced

[nova tangle]

drugs for all!

[mossy tapir]

all my homies like stimm supply

[eager otter]

thats with the +5 crit chance perk tho right?

[mossy tapir]

it's time for a game changer

[random shuttle]

no

[livid raven]

it's definitely the weakest ability for hivescum

[vast ferry]

the stim box is actually better than zealot beacon for goo maps

very goated

[proud rapids]

radical, back to my roots

[muted holly]

goo maps?

[unkempt tide]

Stimm box with the ability mods look good

[vast ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/slime-goo-gif-20004555

[unkempt tide]

7 stacks on burst and 15 sec buff duration

3 seconds to arm

[random shuttle]

Got my curios maxed out today

[mossy tapir]

stimm supply arguably gives you the ability to have the strongest stimms on the shortest cooldown and you share it with your homies in tight situations

[eager otter]

i need the talent to reach 32.5, its 27.5 base for me, with the +5% crit talent

[random shuttle]

Aura?

[spark gyro]

AURA FARMING

[vast ferry]

if only they made the box tox explosion larger and stronger, it would be the ultimate meme build 😏

[eager otter]

27,5 without aura and perk, would be 22,5 without the +5% crit talent

[coarse patio]

I mean, yeah obv but isn’t there one that turns you into a a10 warthog. And just fires like 70 bullets from the mag

[livid raven]

i am not sure i get the link between strong stimms, low cooldown and the stimm supply

[placid drum]

Honestly reginald has some pretty solid builds on his channel

[random shuttle]

I have 10% baseline, 5% from node and 5% from Aura

[muted holly]

we're way, way faster than an A10

[random shuttle]

so my baseline is 20%

and then goes to 32,5% when using shivs

[coarse patio]

Ehhhh Reginald tho

[unkempt tide]

Veginald

[livid raven]

what about reginald

[coarse patio]

Redditnald

[random shuttle]

Reginald is a good lad

[placid drum]

Yea i was like "Huh what"

[livid raven]

what, you prefer Mister E?

[rotund agate]

btw, am I the only one who has to use In Your Face on a melee build to get more reliable damage from zarona revolver?

[mossy tapir]

i mean stimms normally dont let you start refreshing its cooldown with sample collector when the duration expires, stimm supply consuming your stimm bypasses that restriction and lets you start refreshing your cooldown immediately, and it plays into it with booby trap and a more chem tox focused build to get the 2% refreshes very easily and reliably to keep that cooldown low even if you pump more buffs into your stimm

[random shuttle]

If I wanted fanfics about how things works in Darktide I'd ask ChatGPT, thanks

[obsidian crown]

Watch it be someone else

[random shuttle]

😏

[trim wind]

Tanner is clearly the most mild mannered, polite and i can't finish the sentence even as a joke

[coarse patio]

Well it’s funny that Reginald was brought up because I’m actually listening to the Reginald/Tanner drama, it’s funny

[placid drum]

Oh lol

I watch both reginald and tanner just for the takes/stuff they point out about the game

[livid raven]

i can't imagine a worse waste of time than to listen to drama about some small time vermintide/darktide youtubers

no offense to you of course

[random shuttle]

Stimm Supply stands out as the strongest Hive Scum ability in DARKTIDE because it delivers immediate, teamwide value with zero setup - something Rampage and Desperado can’t match. While those abilities rely on maintaining kill chains or precise timing to reach peak performance, Stimm Supply gives you instant toughness sustain, mobility, and clutch survivability that works in every situation, from messy hordes to elite bursts to objective pushes. It smooths out Scum’s fragility, boosts consistency across all weapon choices, and keeps your squad alive during the moments that typically cause wipes. In a class built around scrappy opportunism, nothing beats an on-demand injection of toughness and speed that works every time you hit the button.

[coarse patio]

Tbh I kinda am with tanner when it comes to hivescum tho, both on what he maths out and my own personal expierence

[livid raven]

what does he say

[limber cradle]

Tanner is a moron.

That is all.

[obsidian crown]

Yeah I figured

[coarse patio]

Well I mainly aggree thst the rocket launcher is doo doo

[random shuttle]

Considering his previous forays and opinions, I disagree with him on default and don't want to listen to his takes.

[livid raven]

well yeah that's hardly a controversial opinion

[placid drum]

Rocket launcher is pretty doo doo

[obsidian crown]

Told you

[high gull]

Hey look it's Lash

[livid raven]

so it makes sense

[limber cradle]

You play deadlock?

[high gull]

I use to

[amber sundial]

ok you could've at least TRIED to make it sound believable

that works with you every time you hit the button

[wind crane]

autopistols vs dual stub pistols?

[livid raven]

i wish i could name my scum "GlassCannonWithoutTheCannon"

[limber cradle]

Totally different guns tbh

[trim wind]

I think rocket launcher is solid but outshined by the other two blitzes

[coarse patio]

I’m not sure what’s going on in the current back and forth drama ig because Reginald doesn’t include certain veteran abilities not counting towards whatever he’s measuring

[compact oyster]

Darktidegpt

[mossy tapir]

this dude gets it

[wind crane]

which would u run while pub lvling?

[placid drum]

If your using it with desperado in mind autopistols hands down or a IAG

[trim wind]

Both good but autopistols come out on top

[random shuttle]

In the grand, grease-slicked pantheon of DARKTIDE content creators, few figures wield chaos with quite the same theatrical bravado as Nikocado Avocado. Where most streamers attempt to convey tactical finesse or mechanical mastery, Nikocado instead channels a sort of operatic emotional entropy - a living shrine to excess, unpredictability, and caloric-fueled carnage - which, paradoxically, makes him astonishingly compelling to watch amidst the grim industrial squalor of Tertium.

His gameplay is not simply gameplay. It is a performance piece. Nikocado does not “clear hordes”; he suffers through them, theatrically lamenting his fate while simultaneously devouring a bucket of something neon and probably illegal. This mixture of misery, melodrama, and mukbang-induced delirium creates an atmosphere so volatile that even the game’s most grotesque monstrosities seem comparatively grounded.

By contrast - and again, purely in a comedic, fictionalized sense - Mr. E exudes the energy of a man desperately trying to maintain order in a universe built on structural decay. Where Nikocado embraces chaos as his confidant, Mr. E attempts to tame it… and in DARKTIDE, that’s like trying to teach a Plague Ogryn etiquette. Admirable, yes. But the Warp favors the unhinged.

[mossy tapir]

nvm this dude aint cookin shit

[high gull]

So we just assaulting my ability to read with AI generated walls of text...

Ok

[mossy tapir]

a chem tox on your data servers

[limber cradle]

I ran both tbh

[random shuttle]

Fair.

https://tenor.com/view/head-bang-harry-potter-dobby-gif-11071109

[limber cradle]

I used every unique scum had till it hit level 20 and used the next thing

[halcyon knot]

What do you all consider to be Hive Scum's strongest and weakest branches in their talent tree?

[limber cradle]

I like all the weapons on offer

[trim wind]

That's illegal you're supposed to default to a generic weapon like rashad

[eager otter]

all the branches are good, for their individual purposes

[mossy tapir]

i think [my favorite] is the strongest and [your favorite] is the weakest

[random shuttle]

He has banger talents on every branch

[limber cradle]

Sorry pal, I got taste.

[tender marten]

😠

[halcyon knot]

Based

[random shuttle]

but overall, for me:

• Despacito Scum stronkest
• Rampage Scum also stronkest
• Chem Scum fun but not that stronk

[limber cradle]

The issue with chem scum is anti synergy tbh

[random shuttle]

BUT

But

And it's a big BUTT

[high gull]

Only weapon we need is chem nades, praying fat shark makes them regenable so they can be properly balanced like intended 🙏🏽

[random shuttle]

Needler is kinda strongest shit Scum got.

[manic wolf]

I do like me a big butt 😏

[main elm]

Stubs better for mid to long range. It really shines there. Autos is better for Desperado Unga Bunga bang bang into most enemies.
Both are very fun and you should try them both

[random shuttle]

Completely agnostic "delete whatever, fuck the game I guess" gun in the game 😄

[placid drum]

Feel like stimm supply would be great if it worked with its own trees keystone

[hasty agate]

Would “Lightning McFeen” be a good hive scum name?

[high gull]

It apparently did at one point in testing.

[livid raven]

did you check if that name is accepted

[high gull]

Fuck knows what happened.

[mossy tapir]

i was gonna say like as its currently implemented in the game what use would stimm supply have in ability cdr when you have the node that uses your stimm cd to basically determine the cd of stimm supply

like you'd need to rework a bunch of those nodes to make them synergize again

[limber cradle]

Tbh? I'd conceptually rather use Desp or Rampage anyway.

[placid drum]

So something might have happened with the games spaghetti code

[little pivot]

Im not at the highest difficulties yet, but last game I accidentally triggered a daemonhost. Managed to live by spamming the increased length dodges and spamming the needle pistol lol

[halcyon knot]

I just need mine Shelby. Thug name Rip and Slay

[high gull]

In true Swedish dev code fashion, it always does.

[little pivot]

Then ofc I died to a random chaff enemy a minute or two later 😄

[eager otter]

stimm supply is fun too, cranking one out every like 5-10 seconds in a horde goes wild

[warm dust]

after playing quite a lot the hive scum i see them designed the traitor moebian 6th as killjoy and the partner they call them a killer from most of conversation i saw in them and my anarchist hive scum

[zenith pagoda]

I've managed to create an OP chem build for havoc

[placid drum]

Touch one thing in the code congrats you broke 20 things

[high gull]

SEE

THANK YOU

[random shuttle]

I will say this. Hive Scum for me is an excellent class not because it's OP or anything, but it feels like a class which demands from me to actually play the game - like, for real; Dodge, weave, block, push, dance, swap. Other classes, for the most part, to some degree have parts of their kits that can completely cancel an aspect of the dance - Scum doesn't, really.

[high gull]

Someone finally understands you can fucking spam them

[limber cradle]

If you like I'm glad

[high gull]

So many shitters going

"You can't spam the crates, it's not possible"

Stop being dog shit and use a good build

[amber sundial]

only time i tried stimm supply out was when i was leveling and didnt have access to sample collector

[high gull]

Maybe you can then

[placid drum]

wait who was thinking you cant spam the stim crates as a bomb?

[vast ferry]

if you spam the needle, EVERY scum is the stronkest 😏

[coarse patio]

I named mine “hivesenburg” and my friend named his “Fentynhimer”

[eager otter]

why wouldnt they xd do they not understand the words of

[placid drum]

Shit throw one stim node on sample collector boom

[high gull]

This was around like day 2 of release.

[high gull]

I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS MAN

[low zenith]

Other than the fucking absurd non-armored DPS, you mean? Feels like I go from dancing full time to a flow state of ripping everything in half like tissue paper

[mossy tapir]

i just dont personally like the 5 second arm time on the bomb as much as I like having a juiced up stimm to buff my tox damage and defense

[little pivot]

You have a stim supply spam build?

[tender marten]

most people are terribly uncreative, its true

[high gull]

It's a tox, support, spam build.

[random shuttle]

Sure, but Scummy always have those moments in between High Octane DMG hosing where he needs to catch a breath.

[tender marten]

not me though. i mean i use mind in motion unironically. that means im the best.

[placid drum]

I have a build that uses this exact thing

[random shuttle]

Meanwhile, you know.

I am an Ogryn/Arby main.

[mossy tapir]

im sure the 15 second cd shitbomb build works in its own way but i like barrage nodes more lmao

[placid drum]

Its like having 2 blitz

[random shuttle]

Ogryn is Ogryn.

Absolutely busted OP XD

[main elm]

It really is absurd

[high gull]

I'm running tox black outs aswell

[limber cradle]

I just don't like buff on ground type of abilities for me tbh

[high gull]

So tox bomb with tox blackouts

[tender marten]

ive got my box set up for stun and slow immunity and the 50% toughness regen and i love it tbh

[random shuttle]

Arby is a wall of bricks. I can facetank anything with impunity.

[placid drum]

Tox blackouts are great

[halcyon knot]

Drugs, so many Drugs. Got to the point where I started seeing a talking lighthouse challenging me to a game of poker.

[zenith pagoda]

My build has no keystone and is no melee

[eager otter]

removes the onground element basically

[median pasture]

sigh much as I love the needler and the chem toxin perks, they REALLY don't synergize well with any kind of toughness recovery

[high gull]

Arby really got so many people fucked up playstyle wise.

Like the class is amazing

[random shuttle]

Word.

[mossy tapir]

45 second cd stimm is honestly a nice middleground of bomb and buff from stimm supply

[low zenith]

I don't feel it very often tbh... Mostly when someone beats me on the kill for elites and specials and I end up running real low on ammo... But 3 mags back for the uzis, 14 shells on the double barrel, and w/e else gun you feel works for desperado? It's pretty hard to not be pumping out damage... It's just you're more vulnerable at times and have to balance it

[limber cradle]

Okay, I used it. I don't like it. You don't have to convince me lmao.

[high gull]

But holy shit it enabled so many bad players to just cosplay as a brick wall with no effort

[placid drum]

I played alot of arbite till i finished all his penances and went right back to ogyrn

[high gull]

Veteran main

Maybe a scum main now

Maaaybe

[random shuttle]

I love the class. I love its fantasy. But yeah. Arby let's you make mistake after mistake and pats you on the back saying "It's okay chum, you got this. Now have infinite toughness gain and fuck it, Immortality ult."

[little pivot]

Can you show it?

[eager otter]

bruh the toughness penance for scum felt like a chore

[placid drum]

Veteran honestly was my 2nd go to class before scum came along

[spark gyro]

I remember yesterday when I dove into a crowd of elites by pressing the rampage button and holding keep swinging

I died

Because I don't get like half my toughness back per hit

Bad class

[limber cradle]

It is, I stood in fuckin firebombs and tox gas to farm it.

[low zenith]

I saw the hyena helmet in the MTX shop and will -never- go back.

[placid drum]

I used heavy sword on my vet

[high gull]

Nah I'm kidding

[zenith pagoda]

My scum is better than vet at taking out ranged now, vet dead class

[limber cradle]

Hyena helmet?

[high gull]

I'ma have to log in first

So gimmie a second to load my pc up

[random shuttle]

Arby: "Oh no, It seems I managed to plop my massive cheeks in a middle of a giant horde of gunners, crushers, Maulers and 10 bosses"

Arby:

CASTIGATOR STANCE MOTHAFUCKAS

[unkempt tide]

Too many shock mine arbys

[tender marten]

castration stance go brr

[limber cradle]

True Grit babies people so hard tbh

[livid raven]

castigator stance kinda sucks tho

[unkempt tide]

Dog shock still good

[high gull]

I remember the dog bomb/bleed exploit

[zenith pagoda]

They nerfed that to the ground

[eager otter]

until you have to reload, scum is also invincible

[high gull]

Shit was DISGUSTENG

[low zenith]

The helmet in the store's got a 'hawk mane and a stout muzzle. As close as I'd expect anything to get to it.

[devout bison]

50s auric clip for the naysayers out there. Full-crackhead mode Gunzerker hivescum is the hardest thing to kill in the game and you can't convince me otherwise.
https://youtu.be/FJZ0O_F7ApU

[placid drum]

The build i was running was always involving break the line

[limber cradle]

This one? I call it the Boushh helmet.

I love it, my favorite

[low zenith]

Ay, that one

[limber cradle]

Good taste.

[dim moth]

yeah even with a real stimm shit's like 30 seconds tops

[random shuttle]

Not really talking power level. I am Bash stan. But Casti is yet another way players are pardoned for making errors on arby 😄

[little pivot]

Thank you

[dim moth]

since you have the FULL stimm effect but the cooldown starts instantly

[high gull]

WE PRAY BROTHER

[dim moth]

so you're immediately getting the cooldown back from sample collector

[low zenith]

It def has Boushh vibes as well, but I'm known for my love of gnolls and hyenas so I saw that and IMMEDIATELY coped.... Scum plays exactly how I want to play a game like this

[quasi tusk]

is the dump stat on autopistols collateral?

[tender marten]

that or mobility

i dump collat

[limber cradle]

Scum is the most fun class in this game by a fat country mile imo, I'm not playing anything else again.

[eager otter]

with a 75% cooldown, using blackout chem nades, needler and bonesaw to apply and kill enemies with chem toxic i saw my friend crank out 1 every 4 seconds in auric

[zenith pagoda]

I run 2 stim nodes, because 20s still allows you to spam and maintain buff forever

[main elm]

Honestly it will be hard to go on another class again 😦

[mossy tapir]

i like hive scum for the toxin because i like building for shit that makes enemies light up like christmas lights with nonsense dots

[placid drum]

I hope we get more cosmetics for the hive scum unlike arbite with only 1 in the shop

[coarse patio]

No one answered me before, how do I get the a10 warthog dual auto pistols build

[low zenith]

Tr

[limber cradle]

I cant wait to see what the new shop page brings

[high gull]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07920be-dc05-42a0-a2b4-9909bf17087c/what-the-freak-is-an-ammo?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[coarse patio]

lol

[dim moth]

yeah it's hilarious

[placid drum]

Right now im running a shirtless scum with the worst pair of pants i can put on. The chems are my shield

[dim moth]

cause you're giving that shit to your entire team every 4 seconds in high density xd

[high gull]

This clas has possibly the most freedom allotted to it

[limber cradle]

This is the other way I like to look tbh

[high gull]

So I hope they take advantage of that.

[dim moth]

just busting out my funny +20% strength +15% crit box every 10-20 seconds

[limber cradle]

Open up any random munda book, pick any random image off the page, ezpz

[zenith pagoda]

I kinda wish the stim box radius was larger for being a bomb

[high gull]

I do 50% toughness and strength + rending box

[mossy tapir]

this but with rending because it buffs the tox ticks lmao

[dim moth]

okay but hear me out

82% crit shivs

[mossy tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/inefablejuly-man-eating-food-shocked-because-of-how-good-it-is-gif-1168842612830887730

[mossy tapir]

i mean i dont have a good argument for that lmao

[placid drum]

Shirtless lads

[dim moth]

rending boosts the tox damage?

[hallow creek]

my man is eating a seasoned steak and you offering him a bowl of plain oatmeal

[dim moth]

brother applying another tox stack boosts the tox damage

[high gull]

Not 100% sure

[mossy tapir]

these things are not mutually exclusive\

[zenith pagoda]

I don't think so, normal toxin ignores armour mostly

[high gull]

But I got my needler to go from 645 per tick to 1066 per tick with damage ramping.

On a crusher on auric mind you

[eager otter]

been running this in havocs, should i change anything? kinda got 2 flex points put into the chem tox crit talent rn

[random shuttle]

Rending does boost tox dmg but very little

[limber cradle]

Scotland forever?

[random shuttle]

since lowest Tox ADM is 0.9

[bronze glade]

rending doesnt' do much for tox

[limber cradle]

Tbh thats slayer bardin lmfao

[amber sundial]

bardin moment

[mossy tapir]

it doesnt do much but it does something and im not going for crits on my build personally so i yoink it

[high gull]

Azumgi

[placid drum]

I did my best to make him look like bardin

[vast ferry]

do we know what are the armor reductions (if any) on tox yet?

[mossy tapir]

plus also good for all the homies too

[high gull]

@woeful hill

[placid drum]

Mind you it looks like we picked up this bardin from temu or some shit

[fathom schooner]

This is good news. We can finally be bees.

[mossy tapir]

maybe not everyone running crits, but everyone appreciates armor piercing

[zenith pagoda]

It's just void shield I think

[placid drum]

I named him Bardin-Gore to simply keep with the hive theme of things

[woeful hill]

Talking about stims?

ohhh

tox dot

[glacial gyro]

We do live in a hive

[woeful hill]

in kuli guide

as the pic has above

[placid drum]

Slayer mains be like

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[vast ferry]

wait, why are some of those numbers >1, it's doing 200% on maniac?

[amber sundial]

yea

[zenith pagoda]

Ragers melt

[amber sundial]

dmg chart fyi

[placid drum]

Crowbar with rampage can deal some serious damage to crushers on auric

[little pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-doug-chandler-work-lines-gif-18170008

[zenith pagoda]

Me with my needle gun:

[limber cradle]

Tbh all ive learned about crowbar is that its goated with investment, same as saw

[placid drum]

I only have needle gun to dump into a boss or hit pesky ranged units on my rampage build

[glacial gyro]

[amber sundial]

my last penance and i can just play with whatever 🔥

[nova tangle]

ok so, why cant we have a second trinket on the second gun ):

[glacial gyro]

unplayable

[little pivot]

I appreciate you ❤️

[high gull]

@broken bear Wake up

We got aurics to run

[little pivot]

BUT YOU FORGOT THE STIMM LAB 😭

[high gull]

It's personal flavor tbh

[amber sundial]

stimm lab is more just what you actually remember to use it for

[high gull]

I do toughness + damage reduction + strength + rending

[nova tangle]

is this real or fake?

[amber sundial]

410 and above are real

400 and below are fake

[nova tangle]

ayyyyy

welp time to go blitz through my contracts

[placid drum]

This is my normal stimm if im going with vultures mark desperado due to not having access to chem

[nova tangle]

i wonder if anyones make a chart on how many seconds of cd reduction you get at each lvl

[placid drum]

Feel like that chart would take awhile to make really because it does also depend on which ability you run

But id like to know this myself

My stimm is for sure not the most optimal since i seen most builds keep it around 60 seconds

[inner void]

Brittleness toxin seems to suck

[median pasture]

depends what you're hitting with it

[inner void]

Maulers in this case

[median pasture]

should do quite a lot to them

[nova tangle]

i run all damage and 1 cooldown on my melee since im pretty sure unless im doing my math wrong it pays itself off

[inner void]

with normal toxin it would have just been dead tbh

[placid drum]

I only use the bonesaws purple slag on crushers and bosses

[nova tangle]

you just coat em with both

[glacial gyro]

Interesting you didn't go with Klay

[placid drum]

Yea with rampage you have frenzy below it which helps keep in the loop of melee more often

[nova tangle]

i run stim suply lmao

[placid drum]

I was gonna go with klay but i do still switch to melee sometimes when the need doesnt arise for spamming the auto pistols and sometimes i am out of ammo from using them to much so i have my shivs. Most likely a skill issue on my point from lack of aiming

I do also have pickpocket

[placid prairie]

It’s the opposite in my experience. Using the chem tox coating on anything that is flak armor or higher, feels like a wet noodle. Brittleness lets you actually fuck up armored elites

[inner void]

Eh.
Didn't do much to a mauler that just kept on truckin' and got me with a bs overhead

[placid prairie]

Gotta be on point with your dodges!

Like respectfully, hive scum especially needs good situational and spacial awareness

[placid drum]

One small box ruins your whole career

[placid prairie]

It’ll take a couple hits, sure. But it’ll take even more with the chem coating

Also weapon stats and level are part of it

[inner void]

I just feel like the toxin out damages the benefits from brittleness

[placid prairie]

I will just say this

[manic wolf]

There were people in here earlier saying the Brittleness was generally better, but I don't play Saw so cannot comment

[inner void]

it would help if the game told me how much effect it has..

[placid prairie]

You gotta use each coating for what it’s designed for

[inner void]

also does Chem Toxin (for the blessings) mean either type?

[mighty belfry]

I take this back. Having a maxxed out stimm actually makes Stimm Supply synergize with Chem Dependency better ironically lol

[random shuttle]

Saw brittleness is special, and can stack with regular brittleness. It's great if you're focusing a boss with your team or spread on crusher mob with your team

Purple aint good if you solo

unless you also pack a needle gun

and then you purple up

[inner void]

incidentally...

[placid prairie]

Chem coating FUCKS up anything “unarmored” so maniacs, mutants, unyielding

[inner void]

Yeah Ragers hate the poison

[frigid sluice]

Closing a door on a boss still instakills them right

[random shuttle]

getting bosses to 80% Brittle is how they can melt so rapidly

[placid prairie]

And it’s not negligible against armor, i won’t deny that

[manic wolf]

It used to, dunno if it still does

[frigid sluice]

Would stub or autopistols do better at killing crushers with the rending from desperado

[placid prairie]

But yeah the brittleness does it even better

For armored targets

Using the chem coating can’t even one tap shotgunners

[random shuttle]

absolutely can 😄

[lusty lichen]

Not at all...

[placid prairie]

Not from my experience

[random shuttle]

H1

[placid drum]

The brittleness on the bonesaw really shines if your using rampage

[placid prairie]

Brother I did the overhead

[random shuttle]

with the follow up rip?

[placid prairie]

It did not die on contact

[pearl thistle]

Question, has anything crazy happened in Hivescum chat yet?

[hallow creek]

stub is 15% of 3 dmg on cara, and autos are 15% of 2 dmg take your pick

[placid prairie]

Yes, it did not one tap

[lusty lichen]

Hit twice with brittleness toxin then use the needle gun, ton of damage.

[frigid sluice]

Gg

[placid prairie]

I play on auric

[inner void]

Does light/heavy attack affect how much toxin goes in?

[manic wolf]

No, but theres been plenty of bad takes over the last few days

[random shuttle]

well

let me

[placid prairie]

Using the brittleness did one tap

Didn’t even need the rip

[pearl thistle]

Like what?

[pearl thistle]

vet chat is normal info lil chaos, zealot is now talking about zealot pizza bc what else lol, psyker chat is arguing about smykers, ogryn is always chill, arby idk there.., and idk about hivescum yet

[manic wolf]

Exactly what you'd expect from people getting skill-checked by a glass cannon

[placid drum]

I had one bad take and i blame myself for replacing my copium with copious amounts of chems from the lab

[limber cradle]

Give it time

Class just came out

[pearl thistle]

Yea thats what I figure

[limber cradle]

People are gonna talk about the class for awhile

[placid prairie]

That’s not a one tap! The dot comes into play!

[hollow venture]

what is the difference between the 2 toxins?

[pearl thistle]

Arby chat is just a Arby's lol

[limber cradle]

Arby chat is awful most of the time I'm ngl

[random shuttle]

If I need to use 1 attack its a one tap 😄

[amber sundial]

yellow is chem toxin, purple is brittleness

[placid drum]

So they got arby sammichs?

[placid prairie]

I’m talking dead on hit one tap

[hollow venture]

ah ty

[placid prairie]

The initial damage is what does them in

[inner void]

one of the overhead strikes with the bone saw feels so off-center

[placid prairie]

The whole bonesaw kinda feels like that imo, i just remember the combos and use them

Horde clear is push attack heavy heavy

[random shuttle]

HM

[placid prairie]

Single target is heavy light

[manic wolf]

Must admit, I dont like the Saw

[random shuttle]

I should take zooka to mortussy

[placid drum]

Which enemy can you not one shot with the bonesaw?

[random shuttle]

and see if theres a special talent for it

[placid prairie]

Maulers and crushers

[amber sundial]

only one ive seen so far is that if it kills a special you refund the shot

[manic wolf]

Have you got Lethal Prox BPistol on Scummer?

Thats probably worth checking out

[glacial gyro]

@random shuttle Do we like decimator or headtaker on rashad (My large ogryn hands have not held these tiny weapons before)

[placid prairie]

Probably reapers too

[random shuttle]

Headtaker + Bromentum

[glacial gyro]

Yeah bromentum was a given, I saw that and knew instinctively that was mandatory

[placid drum]

So this is just base bonesaw you want doing this with blessing and all

[timid acorn]

do yall use maxed out chems for chemical dependency?

cause you barely get your stim back in time

[inner void]

Maybe 🟣 🟣 then blinder grenade with 🟢

[high gull]

Barely?

[glacial gyro]

You need sample collector

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/reaper-grimreaper-death-laughing-gif-7941123

[timid acorn]

it says i only have 50 seconds till my stim cools down and its 60s for chem

[timid acorn]

whats that?

[high gull]

You not running a good build fam

[timid acorn]

im like. lvl 22, im trying my best

[limber cradle]

I was getting chem dependency with a maxed out stimm tbh

[placid drum]

Yea its hard to really hit that one shot threshold with a bonesaw on crushers and reapers you will have better luck with the crowbar

[timid acorn]

i do have that

[sturdy marsh]

There is. Elite/specialist kill refunds rocket. It's sick

[limber cradle]

Not killing enough then

[high gull]

You need to apply tox my gamer

Tox black outs

Chem nades

[random shuttle]

Niiiiice

[high gull]

Needler

Saw

You have options

You even have this if you wanna be spicy

[inner void]

I actually find that poison first then Brittleness seems to work better somehow

[glacial gyro]

Oh no never use this node, the bonuses are not worth it

[placid drum]

I will say i love using the bonesaw with rampage but being able to 2 shot crushers with crowbar feels great

[timid acorn]

thats what i was saying, my crit does go up a good bit though

[glacial gyro]

Note that if you are using the saw, crits will apply 2 stacks, and weakspot crits apply 3

[modest patio]

Do you light spam on the cleaver? they seem just as sweepy as the heavies

[random shuttle]

even on 3 stacks my shivs run at about 85% crit so...

life is good 😄

[vast ferry]

push atk then light/heavy for horde

[placid prairie]

I will say I like the crowbar a fair bit. Feels fluid in it’s use

[timid acorn]

i just need to oh i forgot about the node that gives crit and then riposte

[high gull]

chem nade into a horde is just ez regen

[mighty belfry]

the fact that the cooldown doesn't actually reset on ability usage actually makes it have more synergy than with a shorter stimm

it's weird

[inner void]

I wonder if the hit mass blessing is worth it for the extra poison distribution

[timid acorn]

do yall get targeted toxin and toxin renewel?

[round ermine]

Hello, with tox on hit node does it work on all the enemies hit by an attack through cleave or it only works on the « first target »

Don’t want to waste my meager ressources on something that won’t work

[mighty belfry]

it works on all enemies hit

[azure mist]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lF6KFDN5DVGrKs2vi?invite=cr-MSx5UHUsMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=9
@dense hollow

[mighty belfry]

as long as a crit hits them, it procs toxin

[glacial gyro]

You can test it in the meat grinder, but yes, all enemies hit

[mighty belfry]

making it good for horde clearing

[dense hollow]

HAHAHA

bro that was so tragic

i feel so bad for that arby

[placid drum]

Shock n awe yea it is if your plan is to spread as much toxins as you can with bonesaw

[timid acorn]

is hyper critcal worth it on bleed/tox shiv build?

[placid prairie]

Personally, I just don’t really fuck with the toxin. It’s a neat mechanic, and the dot really can be nice, but I prefer to be a blender up close and personal and you don’t really get returns on chem kills

[inner void]

This game has too many stats...
Cleave and Hit Mass...

[tender forge]

I would avoid hyper critical

it has some bugs

[placid prairie]

Usually hyper criticals would be a very nice talent, but it’s bugged rn. The moment it procs, precision violence stops working for the entire rest of the match

[azure mist]

Honestly I cant even blame him for eating it

literally nothing he could've done there to see it

[dense hollow]

i cant either like how could you see it