hivescum-class

[azure mist]

Maelstrom

[limber cradle]

I'll be honest I don't think you're being aggresive enough then, I've genuinely never once had an ammo concern on this class

[slender plinth]

the thing is just bugged

[spice cloud]

My stimms for desperado all all cdr and dmg.

[terse creek]

Gun goes brrrt indeed

[sleek grove]

I mean, it's impossible to run out of ammo, unless you mag dump like 5 times in a row onto crushers

[dim moth]

something about this funny little tox bomb

[azure mist]

Youll have to be at lvl 30 and complete an Auric Maelstrom

[signal nebula]

Needle pistol is one of my favourite weapons in the game now

Love that puppy

[terse creek]

Then why haven’t you submitted a ticket at fatshark forums?

[slender plinth]

ye i've done that a bazillion time on arbiter and vet
It just doesn't unlock, Drukhane keeps going 'you need to prove yourself'

[supple trellis]

msot of it is spend on hordes, dual smgs are fun but ye can empty it really fast

[spice cloud]

I run run and gun and the barrage thing on 2nd 3rd and 4th shot.

[manic kernel]

I dont think it comes down to the player at all, i think it has far more to do with what its arsenal actually brings in terms of team utility and dps.

[livid raven]

you are not missing anything

[azure mist]

I mean unless you want really hard content

[slender plinth]

Can't be bothered and didn't know i needed to do that :pupper :
I keep assuming that it'll just fix itself and Unlock Eventually

[granite verge]

That's an interesting take.

[supple trellis]

tho dual stubs pistol seems quite ammo efficient when i was using it

[sonic pumice]

I feel it's because how busted the chem tox dot is currently, reason why the bomb is also super strong (Zealot fire nadé in shambles)

[slender plinth]

and by the time i realize it's never going to do that i've gotten bored of the game again

[mossy tapir]

I was gonna say like I might not be a fan of like challenge for challenge sake stuff but like what do you get out of havoc 40 other than bragging rights

[terse creek]

Hold up……have you use party finder for it?

[livid raven]

considering how hard people always whine about havoc, especially the last wave (before hs)

[slender plinth]

tbf i do like the game the most when you're constantly dealing with hordes

so imight enjoy havoc

[terse creek]

That’s a bold claim

[signal nebula]

It doesn't feel busted to me tbh

[slender plinth]

i mostly spam quickplay and
iirc did maelstroms directly a few times?

[sonic pumice]

Believe me brother: it is

[spice cloud]

It is quite busted

[terse creek]

That explains why you haven’t gotten into havoc, skill issue fr

[spice cloud]

The boss dmg is fckn insane

[mossy tapir]

Does havoc 40 solve my critical diamantine shortage

[signal nebula]

Compared to everything else that is busted, I don't really think it is

[granite verge]

The only people whining about Havoc are those that are expecting to be carried into 40 for penances (that never belonged there in the first place), or those that have genuine issues with some of the modifiers and how they scale or effect gameplay currently.

[slender plinth]

:gone : what's the skill issue
do you not just need to complete an auric maelstrom to unlock havoc?

[terse creek]

Man clearly playing on lower difficulties 💀

[sonic pumice]

Boss damage? It trivializes a boss and environment swarm horde

[dim moth]

most enemies in this game will outright die to 4 tox stacks

toxin stacks up to fucking 31

[terse creek]

You need to party up with people to play Havoc dude….like there’s no matchmaking for it

[dim moth]

chem grenades are 6

[mossy tapir]

Needle puts out 6 stacks per needle at base

[rotund agate]

tbh, I use tox nade just for getting out of the middle of a horde...

[dense hollow]

does needle pistol have competition for carapace damage on a melee build

[dim moth]

needle pistol shots are 5

[manic wolf]

Lmfao

[spice cloud]

I just spend 5 mags on a boss and watch it diw while running away without doing anything thats busted imo

[sonic pumice]

Nah, it's the single strongest nadé in game currently, not a single other does as much as that one

[dim moth]

with more on headshot/crit

[granite verge]

Time is an insidious killer.

[azure mist]

Havoc 40 once you get a handle of it is genuinely fun

[manic wolf]

Ahh, thats funny man

[terse creek]

Usually 3 is the sweet spot for normal tanky units

[dim moth]

just magdump a needle pistol into any boss enemy

[azure mist]

Pushes you to learn incredibly good habits to improve your skills

[terse creek]

Amen to that

[dim moth]

and go stab at it with my +unyielding knives

and it just evaporates

[terse creek]

Very well said

[signal nebula]

Yeah Vs bosses it's nuts. Vs regular enemies it's not exactly impressing me compared to some of the insanely busted shit that already exists

[signal nebula]

5 mags is 30 rounds

[slender plinth]

don't call me dude
But also that's not the point i'm stuck on, Havoc doesn't unlock when I do the auric maelstrom mission you have to do to unlock havoc
or at least it didn't the last times i played

[eager reef]

ive 1200 hours and zero reason to play havoc

[slender plinth]

plus if you need to manually find parties for havoc then yeah it doesn't sonud like my thing, i cba

[rotund agate]

I myself don't use shivs. I prefer an axe.

[terse creek]

Ok dude?
And try getting a party up and que up my man, cause could be that, might be overlooking the party up requirements to start a match

[spice cloud]

4 shots for a crusher💀

[compact oyster]

the messelina herald looks pretty cool

[manic wolf]

This. Needle gun/Tox nades are relatively efficient in what they do, but OP? Nah, not really

[digital lynx]

Im in the same spot but everythign about havoc seems miserable

[mossy tapir]

Chem toxin is efficient, not op, but overly efficient

[azure mist]

Also HS genuinely is a really good way to force yourself with trial by fire if you’re running a rampage build in 40 to learn how to deal with stuff

[supple trellis]

with speed stims with shivs, you can somewhat gain enough toughness back from hits to out heal some bosses attacks, like the chaos spawns or plague orgyn's lighter hits, while stacking toxin with melee crits. its pretty crazy

[terse creek]

I mean, the armor, the tittles, the bragging rights, XD

[eager reef]

i do not like teh armor

[dim moth]

i REALLY want to try tox build in h40

[mossy tapir]

Its not terribly flashy compared to Desperado or Rampage numbers and aggression but like

Shit man it works

[dim moth]

I'm worried that the hit mass increases in high havoc screw over shiv light spam

[sonic pumice]

Hard lies, one well placed nades invalidates a Caparace conga of many types of enemies, from maulers and crushers to all in between and beyond

[terse creek]

You know, that’s fair

[mossy tapir]

I can pretend to be the poison swamp from souls games

[compact oyster]

i played on zealot just now and it felt like kratos casting off his wrappings

IM FREE

[spice cloud]

Tox nades are the most busted thing in dt rn

I wont even fckn argue lol

[manic kernel]

INFERNUS

[supple trellis]

hahaha no one is showing love for the blackout that spreads toxin? Damn thing saves bth yeself and teammates, and you can carry up to 6 too

[vast yoke]

should I go supremacy or take a swing with can opener (if i actually wanna take canop)

[spice cloud]

Even worse then infernus by a lot

[eager reef]

you say busted, i say, on par with a psyker looking any direction

[mossy tapir]

Shit don't regen on chem tox kills so they go in the bin

[terse creek]

Carapace is cool, but being able to delete bulwark lines, specially on havoc is a godsend

[sonic pumice]

Is no argue, people don't realize how much of a get-out-of-jail the chem dot is

[signal nebula]

Thank you

[manic wolf]

Its a resource you might only get to use 6 times in a match. It should kill a bunch of dudes. But you're area denialing at the end of the day, you're not doing anything super crazy like Psyker being able to remove literally everything all game that wants to melee you.

[mossy tapir]

Id rather just pick up a grenade box every once in a while with grenades that completely shut down chokes for a long ass time

[supple trellis]

true, i still love them tho, its just earning them back in melee builds is a pain. i have more luck with desperado builds

[sonic pumice]

Psyker is NOT balanced in any universe

[burnt barn]

which curios are yall running

[mossy tapir]

I avoided pocket toxin on my rampage melee build for that reason lmao

I already gotta fight everyone else for grenade regen Im not fighting myself

[granite verge]

Stam/Toughness/Toughness is the current popular choice.

[azure mist]

Going from HS to Vet and getting hit with the “Holy shit I can get hit once or twice and not get nuked immediately”

[vital tendon]

whats better at high difficulties? auto pistols or regular pistols?

[random shuttle]

Most unbalanced class is of course Delicate Steve

[supple trellis]

its still a great arsenal lol, well i keep 2 around for emergencies. i dunno how many times it saved me by opening a space, or chucking at a cursher horde about to swarm me mates

[bronze glade]

2 toughness 1 hp

[terse creek]

True that’s plus shout, good ol shout

[granite verge]

That is a completely build dependent answer.

[sonic pumice]

So busted the devs actively remove it so we don't break reality with it's OPness

[manic wolf]

Tox 'nades have a bunch of spectacle to them, they're new and look very impressive when one is going off, but I have my doubts about the long term sustainability of thier use given Blackouts actually cover the main weakness of Scummer (not having any stagger) and provide massive utility in a multitude of shit situations AND can be regained just by playing the game

[compact oyster]

to me its genuinely playing a class that takes 10x more effort to do the same thing i can do on other classes

[supple trellis]

heck blackout and stop a shooter horde for enough time to get your team on them

[mossy tapir]

Yeah i aint saying its not good, pocket toxin adds a ton of damage per use, but like getting them back is a pain in the ass lmao

[vital tendon]

what are the best blessings for shivs

[mossy tapir]

Gotta run into another horde to start regenerating

[sonic pumice]

I run uncanny and ripost

[granite verge]

Is the 10x additional effort just dodging effectively?

[spice cloud]

1 tox nade lets me solo every fuckin thing the game throws at me while chuckling.

[supple trellis]

i got the bleed on crit and rend on weakspot hits, so its bleed and toxins + rending on crits, its glorious

[terse creek]

Sucks to suck my man, but that’s the only way to play havoc, you are forced to party up via party finder or any external method

[supple trellis]

deals with everything, boss, caraspace, even hordes

[random shuttle]

Oh I have secret code to play Delicate Steve

[spice cloud]

Conga line of 20 crushers? Begone!

[random shuttle]

On character screen press ALT+F4 to unlock him.

[broken moss]

thinks stagger is a weakness of scumbags. also thinks that somehow staggering a few things for a couple seconds somehow trumps throwing down a pool of acid that one shots almost everything that touches it for 3 business days

[terse creek]

Dude, that shit is def gonna get nerf one day, tho the explosion sounds it makes is 👌

[manic wolf]

I think you missed the point entirely here...

[sonic pumice]

But only for that game session, you have to repeat the process to unlock it every time you start the game again

[spice cloud]

Forreal people who say its not busted af are coping allready

[broken moss]

stagger is not a weakness of scumbag. hell, their pistols stagger shit

[random shuttle]

The surest wasy to unlock delicat Steve

is to uninstall Darktide

[trim wind]

the pistols infact are not that great at staggering

[spice cloud]

They are ok

[terse creek]

Prob Ogryn players that are upset they getting their nades boxes taken, XD

[spice cloud]

They dont knock back anything tho

[manic wolf]

Lule, they stagger the odd enemy enough to proc thier blessings, they are not flooring a bulwark wall or knocking crushers onto thier asses so they arent a threat

[broken moss]

they do it. just not to carapace and other large shit

[supple trellis]

wonder if they will give us dual bolt pistols....

[random shuttle]

The strongest players in Darktide are those who never played it

[sonic pumice]

I'm playing Vermintide more nowadays so probably will come back JUST to unlock it

[spice cloud]

Goodbye wrists

[mossy tapir]

Just take Lucky Rock 5head

[random shuttle]

It's ice cream time

[dense hollow]

how is ogryn nuke anyway in h40 relative to hp buffs to armor enemies got, is it worth it over the utility of box of grenades' control

[supple trellis]

the true john darktide experience

[broken moss]

but who cares about that when you can just throw said pool down and proceed to kill at that shit? I think chem nade is by far their#1 blitz and is likely facing a heavy nerf soon

cuz that shit is ridiculous

[random shuttle]

No.

[terse creek]

That, I don’t not know, I ain’t a Ogryn player, they are……too slow for me, feels so weird

[manic wolf]

I doubt it. Like Johnny said, they're good, they can massively help with bosses, but they're not this massively OP thing that will carry games. You know what else vaporises whole groups with no effort? A Psyker.

[supple trellis]

i do hope they dont nerft it tho. it does feel like their signature

[azure mist]

Not even mentioning street brawler letting you tank overheads lmao

[random shuttle]

Obviously its the Bazooka that needs the nerfs

its so strong nobody is using it

[manic wolf]

Clearly

[random shuttle]

to have a fair game

[granite verge]

Bringing down the grenade count to a base of 2 would be just fine as opposed to reducing the chem toxin stacks.

[supple trellis]

and it doesnt consume a charge while doing it

[dense hollow]

ive taken like 40-60 dmg from a mauler overhead to my hp

[spice cloud]

Grenade box is more usefull in general but frag bomb is the best panic button

[manic wolf]

Yeup

[broken moss]

can say the same about stagger. "you know who staggers whole groups with no effort? arbites"

[terse creek]

Prob the needle gun gonna get the first nerf, that thing is dummy op

[bronze glade]

eh

[broken moss]

it's not the point of the class. if you came here to stagger you fucked up

[sonic pumice]

Lies, I use it to cheese malice

[compact oyster]

you mean hive city brawler?

[mossy tapir]

If the needler gets nerfed I riot

[azure mist]

Yeah that one

[broken moss]

I honestly don't think it's that powerful.. it's damage caps out too quick

[azure mist]

It’s fucking insane

[manic wolf]

Right, but you get your stagger tool back just from killing trash mobs and you can still apply chem DoT with them. So you're getting control and you're getting DPS out of them, AND you get them back. That is inherently more valuable long term than three puddles which you're probably not gonna use very often because then you're taking resources away from other classes.

[limber cradle]

I think its funny that out of all the ramshackle horseshit scum gets apparently a literal rocket launcher is the weakest option

[compact oyster]

its free 20% DR yeah

[sonic pumice]

I feel the chem tox dot ramping will be revised, that will affect lots of things that are oddly strong on the class currently

[spice cloud]

The needle gun is nuts vs single targes

[granite verge]

Plasma Gun has remained unchanged for a long time now. In the list of "OP", there are many other weapons that have been untouched by Fatshark.

[mossy tapir]

They should make chem tox stagger as enemies vomit their guts out

[dense hollow]

is a dot that does 500 dmg per tick that low of a damage cap? it's more dot damage than like every other dot in the game

[mossy tapir]

This post was made by Viper grenades payday 2

[compact oyster]

pull out rocket launcher

[terse creek]

Yes, BUT, bro, tell me how it’s fair that I am able to outrun a spawn and rinda, never really engaging em on melee and I can still deal lethal dose of damage by just mag dumping one of em?

[compact oyster]

wait a solid 2 seconds before firing

miss completely because you got hit

[limber cradle]

Yup

[broken moss]

and for bosses it takes actual years to kill them

it's really not that much damage

[spice cloud]

Nah

Its super fast wdym

[broken moss]

yea

[dense hollow]

you deal an optimized rocket launcher's damage in like 6-8 seconds

[broken moss]

I can nuke a boss 10x faster with dual auto pistols

[muted holly]

no you can't

[spice cloud]

No lmao

[terse creek]

Bro, you are crazy, the damage you can do on your own alone with that will take em out quick while never being touch by em

[broken moss]

yea

[sturdy linden]

categorically untrue.

[dim moth]

https://imgur.com/a/JvD0Wlm the "actual years" in question

[broken moss]

it's super slow burn

[glad latch]

New talent tree just dropped

[sturdy linden]

if you're gonna yap a claim like that, put out a video to support it

[limber cradle]

Took the wrong stim, got me seeing the code to the world around me

This shit ain't nothing to me man

[broken moss]

most of that was shivs

that or you in heresy

[spice cloud]

No

[dense hollow]

the boss has 40k+ hp

[spice cloud]

Shovs dont do a lot here

[trim wind]

no that's mostly dot dmg

[dense hollow]

he's not in heresy

[mossy tapir]

Brother be zero summing so hard he's in the wrong fantasy universe

[dim moth]

these shivs?

brother I am using stimm crate

[obsidian crown]

Just a reminder, yall arguing with someone who says HS needs ammo on a desperado pickpocket build, no way to avoid picking up ammo because it’s too hungry for it

[dim moth]

I do not haveb melee damage

[manic kernel]

Look at all they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power - the Veteran

[alpine junco]

enhanced penance is making my pp soft, any ideas on how to solve it

[dim moth]

this is a faster TTK than veteran does

[tardy citrus]

wym solve it

[manic wolf]

Is bro watching the HP bar in relation to when the enemy is being hit?

[dim moth]

outside of exe builds

[azure mist]

Realizing it’s dealing more than rending bleed lmao

[tardy citrus]

use regen stimm

lmao

[muted holly]

Viagra

[manic wolf]

I dont think he is

[manic kernel]

Defintely not

[candid flare]

Scum not like ape.
Together not strong.

[sturdy linden]

oh ok never mind then lol

[broken moss]

I've gone into grinder and tested it and even keeping stacks up that shit takes ages to kill an auric cspawn

[spice cloud]

Look i love the stubs but saying they kill a boss faster then needle gun i insanity

[alpine junco]

bruh its taking so fucking long tho

[terse creek]

Wild take

[trim wind]

Gunslinger will always find the wrong position and defend it to the death

[obsidian crown]

Meanwhile, me mowing everything down in a no ammo pick up melee only mael

[sturdy linden]

(tbf I do pickup ammo on desperado pickpocket but it's just cause I'm kinda greedy like that)

[dense hollow]

capping out in like 5-6 shots btw, sometimes not even the full mag

[tardy citrus]

well yeah it's a pain in the ass penance, but just use the toughness replenish/regen stimm on cooldown

im halfway through it rn myself

i want that steel skull

[broken moss]

you will always form your own position and claim everyone else is wrong

[dim moth]

does it count if your teammates regen from stimm supply

[tardy citrus]

im not sure

[sturdy linden]

we really need a VA line that screams "FENT FOR THE FENT GOD!"

[nocturne anvil]

I was about to say

[broken moss]

it's an opinion. there's plenty of damage options in the game that kill things faster than that

[tardy citrus]

my scum's name is Fentghoul

😂

[manic wolf]

Same, but you know what? Class is so good at ranged delete, that more often than not your teammates are happy to ping ammo for you

[dim moth]

sure but how many of them just do that ontop of being normal builds

[sturdy linden]

true, all it takes is a Despacito activation into one horde, then everyone is your best buddy

[dim moth]

fury zealot is one, exe vet is another

[obsidian crown]

I used to but I stopped. It’s good habit especially when I get back into h40

[dim moth]

but uh

[broken moss]

my dual auto pistols build nukes them faster

[nocturne anvil]

The monstrosity not dying in 5 seconds? Nah this shit does NOT kill monstrosities quickly.
What a world we live in.

[supple trellis]

not sure if its the same in asian regions but i dont know if my teammates know theres a HUD for teammate's status

its free for all here sometimes

[manic wolf]

It is in every reigon to be fair, always gonna get games where it feels like players have thier HUD turned off

[alpine junco]

WHY

[plucky nymph]

yall be careful with the +dodge distance

[tardy citrus]

this is from only popping the stimm some of the time tbh

[alpine junco]

counterpoint: its funny as shit

[sturdy linden]

what tree setup were you using these on, with the crate? I'd like to give it a shot

[supple trellis]

omg, brother, you do not know how many times i've thrown meself off a ledge, or flew over a railing cause of a small upward bump

[tardy citrus]

my lab attm

[plucky nymph]

imagine we could dodge vertically off ledges. new space X

[nocturne anvil]

Did this before... flinging myself up a small curb into a cliff

i dont understand how

[tight musk]

i think Hive Scum is a decent class, it's pretty fun to play, they just need to fix the bugs and make chemical dependency have a synergy with stimm supply. Also buff rocket launcher.

[tardy citrus]

wym why it's cool

[zealous ravine]

personally i think hive scum's ammo economy needs help so i've made this image to explain how i'd rework it

[nocturne anvil]

Honestly, I can see some pretty insane speedrunning shit with this tech

[supple trellis]

you can "fly" when you dodge upward, sometimes, stairs for example. it leads to some really comical moments

[tardy citrus]

i personally love the scum.

[alpine junco]

zealot would be better

[plucky nymph]

yea those random geometries where u go tony hawk pro hive scum

[nocturne anvil]

I meant specifically with the dash fling tech

[tardy citrus]

it's definitely at odds with the arbites in terms of skill expression i think

since we're a lot softer

[nocturne anvil]

Zealot doesn't have any dash modifiers.

[sturdy linden]

can you do something similar above Adrenaline keystone for Crusher oneshots so our YouTubers are happy

[alpine junco]

doesnt he?

[sturdy linden]

[supple trellis]

yea, gonna style out off a 3 storey drop

[alpine junco]

huh

[brittle sierra]

Ok final polish everyone

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[manic wolf]

They released the human-sized Orgryn for easy mode gaming, now they've released the glass cannon for the long term players, is gud

[random shuttle]

You know what Hive Scum needs to be finally strong?

80% rending when standing still.

[nocturne anvil]

100% dodge chance while standing still by shooting enemies-

wait

[obsidian crown]

Regenerating boomstick would be nice

[tardy citrus]

yeah im fond of the class as is. it's pretty fun.

[sturdy linden]

https://tenor.com/view/reference-captain-america-avengers-understood-gif-7991943

[devout bison]

Does blessed stimms even work? I don't think I've seen it lower my corruption

[random shuttle]

It's an Older Lore, sir, but it checks out.

[limber cradle]

Fent induced lasers beaming out of my eyes to vaporize my enemies

[manic wolf]

Needs a few tweaks so everything makes sense (box im lookin at you), but yeah

[livid raven]

it does

[terse creek]

Agree, all consider tho, arbitrator is more balance now than release, but that mofo is still stupid tanky

[livid raven]

doesn't heal wounds

[alpine junco]

rending in general, i want to kill shit that has more than toillet paper as armor

[sturdy linden]

Kalevala, unless I'm misremembering

[fresh eagle]

yes, but i would honestly go keystoneless and take pickpocket

[devout bison]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pdla94/blessed_stimms_perk_not_working/
apparently im not the only one with blessed stimms not working

[manic wolf]

I dont think any amount of tuning is gonna make Arby truly balanced, but yeah, its better

[random shuttle]

Forever in my brain.

A true evidence why players should not design games

[terse creek]

The Hive scum release and play-style ironically parallels the arbities but for the opposite reasons

[limber cradle]

I think it's okay that Arby exists for people who completely lack any situational awareness tbh

[livid raven]

if you read the thread and what i told you, it doesn't heal lost wounds

[dense hollow]

if you were trying to heal past a wound then you can't

[nocturne anvil]

anything that heals corruption damage feels underwhelming because like, taking corruption damage removes health, and healing corruption damage doesn't bring that health back.
Most of the time I ever wipe is not because of running out of wounds, it's me getting trapped/downed and then not getting rescued. I need more health, not less corruption.

[dense hollow]

no source of corruption healing does

[coarse sinew]

i dont get whats the difference about the needle mks what you guys think is the best one?

[brittle sierra]

Your mom

[manic wolf]

But it also makes sense. The dude is a well out-fitted space-cop, he's gonna be a tough nut, whereas the ganger is a drug fuelled lunatic with years in gang culture, he aint tough, but he is mean, an it works

[fresh eagle]

thank you for making every future thing you say obsolete

[manic wolf]

All things considered the class archetypes mostly make sense

[devout bison]

I'll have to pay closer attention to it when it's partial

[random shuttle]

Very well said my bumblo

[livid raven]

i'd just not take that garbo talent imo

[terse creek]

I think that parrarel makes scum more enjoyable

[steep gyro]

stop eating overheads and standing in pox stuff and you won't need to heal corruption damage in the first place

[obsidian crown]

Funny you mention this. I used to have a friend who’s no longer a friend. He thought he was God’s gift to darktide when arbites dropped and I told him he’s dogshit at any other class (and actually was on psyker). He always defaults to arbites when he gets rolled. Anyways fast forward and he struggles on HS and keeps defaulting to arbites for havocs

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-duh-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-gif-21849807

[terse creek]

Tell that to all the scum in auric that LOVEEEEEE overheads

[sturdy linden]

I have eaten more dirt with this class than any other, and most of it I take constructively BUT dying to bullshit bursters / netters is for sure getting old

[livid raven]

me when the teammate dodges into me to evade the crusher overhead (we both die)

[brittle sierra]

I try

[sturdy linden]

hopefully patches it soon

[steep gyro]

[devout bison]

I don't usually need it, that's why I never noticed it working because the only times it would come in handy is when im on my last bar and would rather not get full-killed 😛

[steep gyro]

hopefully fartshart also makes stim pistol DoT function with 90% of their talents outside of the chem stuff

[random shuttle]

Fatshark: "There is no issue with Bursters in Ba Sing Se"

[manic wolf]

Think the one exclusion to this is Zealot's corruption aura, yes it doesnt restore HP, but it does have a notable effect in the long run because if someone does go down, they're not out, because they dont have a full HP bar full of corruption, at least if the Zealot isnt 200 miles away from the team

[limber cradle]

I firmly believe you can absolutely tell who was strictly playing Arb before Scum dropped, this is also completely anecdotal but the first classes I saw when it stopped being 4 scum lobbies were Ogs and Arbs, which to me says those people couldn't hang and they went back to the much more hand holdy classes.

[sturdy linden]

true, we just need to be Jedi and force-push the burster about to pop from across the room

[azure mist]

BON 180 slimes you

[obsidian crown]

Yeah I’ve seen a lot of args and chorus zealots personally

[livid raven]

i'm not convinced that aura is still not trash personally

[terse creek]

Man, stim pistol don’t need that stuff, cause that thing is already stupid op

[sturdy linden]

I'll be honest, Arbi is actually easy mode compared to Ogryn. Being a bigger target + having no dodge linger actually makes Ogryn harder. Arbi does not suffer those issues.

[manic wolf]

Seriously tho..I got burstered the other day from literally twice as far away than I've ever been hit by one before. It was on Enclavum Baross at the end event, burster was at the top of the stairs at the back of the room, I was under the landing pad in the middle. Still got hit

[random shuttle]

Jonkler: It's simple. We kill the Burster.
Hive Scummers: If it's so simple, why won't you do it.
Jonkler: If you're good at something always die to randomly spawned burster with no sound cue for free.

[steep gyro]

doesn't refresh desperado 🚬

thats all i want..

[livid raven]

but i suppose zealot isn't really abounding with incredible auras

[zealous ravine]

melee hive scum is a little weak so i've added +5 toughness nodes to help, although i've also reworked the keystone so the class still has some risk

[limber cradle]

Oh I agree. If Og is easy mode Arb is the "we put training wheels back on your bike" mode. True Grit and the dog saving you from everything but Trappers.

[sturdy linden]

I ate a burster pop from a burster I pushed at the TOP of the stairs (in the bridge crossing section) while I was at the BOTTOM of the stairs after dodging twice. It was SO BULLSHIT.

[random shuttle]

The best feeling

is when you have 4-5 bursters conga line

push the first one

but he refuses to explode

[terse creek]

You see, adrenaline frenzy is already built into 50% of scum players, they get a hearth attack when they see an overhead

[amber sundial]

its still kinda weak, i think it needs a 1% toughness dmg reduction node to replace one of the +5 toughness node

[limber cradle]

Death.

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/oopsies-ohno-gif-25793283

[manic wolf]

Dont get me wrong, Im not saying its good, but it does have an impact in the long run during a mission, whereas most corruption removal stuff is temporary at best, Zealot's is on all the time. I'd still take other auras in its place, but I can't in good concience call it worthless like I could with other effects that do the same thing

[coarse sinew]

best needle gun mk?

[livid raven]

personally i think poxbursters shouldn't spawn more than once in the same location at the same time

but maybe i'm crazy

[zealous ravine]

i've gone ahead and made that process simpler by giving them a heart attack before a crusher/mauler even shows up

[cedar cairn]

Hilariously I've found out you can save yourself from dogs with the Rampage shout because if you're still alive by the time Rampage expires, the shout knocks the dog off you

[azure mist]

2nd or 3rd lunge around the corner causing the instant kill chain

[limber cradle]

Fuck you, 20 poxburster deep line. Suffer.

[zealous ravine]

i've made a severe lapse in judgement, the tree should've had 1% tdr node...

[random shuttle]

My second favorite thing about the bursters

is when they gun for a teammate

[amber sundial]

waves of pox bursters should just airstrike you with the bursters

[limber cradle]

Honestly dude burster swarms are possibly the single worst thing in this game

[random shuttle]

and then in 1/5 of a second turn on the spot and dive at you

Also a great trick

love it

[muted holly]

a mission modifier where it literally rains primed poxbursters

at random intervals

everywhere

[sturdy linden]

netters are also nonsense right now

[limber cradle]

Dont give them ideas

Nets, dogs, and bursters feel wrong after the update tbh

[random shuttle]

Trapper net through Plogryn Fat Ass phasing is a classic.

[livid raven]

mission modifier where both you and the enemies shoot mini poxbursters instead of bullets

[sturdy linden]

three times it's happened that I've dodged the netter, he's looking at a target 90 degrees to my right or left, but the net magically appears around me

[muted holly]

I've not noticed any difference

I'm convinced it's lag-based

[manic wolf]

Idk about the worst, they're bad but I will never be more annoyed by DT bullshit than Trappers being able to net you through chainlink fences, railings, gaps in stairs and through a 20 deep Crusher/Bulwark wall

[cedar cairn]

Jesper Kyd cover of Ride of the Valkyries

[muted holly]

fuck yes, my body is ready

[fiery palm]

It's finally fun at max at least. Getting this class to 30 was an exercise in masochism

[limber cradle]

I saw a trapper net someone over a 20 foot gap recently

Like over the void

[muted holly]

I would venmo that man money to get that

[livid raven]

the shitty thing is

[supple trellis]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a089b3e9-6ce2-49ae-82d2-b8637ade32eb/meth-dealer

if someone wanna bring this to havok for a spin, let me know if it works

[manic wolf]

Yeah... like Bursters can in theory be fixed, Trappers are just a never ending source of omega-tier bullshit

[livid raven]

the trappers drag you if they die before doing their dragging animation too

[limber cradle]

Trappers are literally hitler

[main elm]

Yeah Ogryn is great but you always get caught in dogs and nets

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer-40k-40k-darktide-ghost-gif-11992228195722947980

[ripe seal]

huh, so I thinkloading the speical shot on the shotgun still drains ammo when in desperado

[sturdy linden]

no Adrenaline Unbound and no Burst of Energy in Havoc.. certainly a Choice™...

[ripe seal]

there goes my idea of using it to spam lawbringer shots into crowds

[supple trellis]

thats why im curious if it will survive there

[idle ore]

what perks we running on rashad scum? is it still unarmored + x>

[muted holly]

the worst part of the Scummer talent tree design is that the best nodes for survivability are all next to each other at the bottom of the tree

[supple trellis]

cant find a team for havok where im at sadly

[manic wolf]

Kerfus, do you have the Ogryn hitting the poxwalker with the metal pipe sound effect still? An if so could you post it please?

[supple torrent]

ngl scum makes DT best boomer shooter of 2025

[dense hollow]

depends if you're on rampage scum or not

[random shuttle]

oh damn the gubsy clip?

Let me find it

[manic wolf]

Yesssss

[idle ore]

yes i am

[supple torrent]

what you're thoughts on depedency vs vulture for gun scum?

[manic wolf]

Beautiful, thanks man ❤️

[bronze glade]

i don't think vulture adds much

[limber cradle]

Has anyone released a mod that makes the crowbar sound like the half life crowbar yet

[azure mist]

If it’s rampage Unarmored Cara like Vet does

[narrow dagger]

dependency solos

[idle ore]

thanks

[supple trellis]

vulture... while it looks good, activation conditions may not be met easily in group play

[dense hollow]

really? i used flak cara since i was already hitting all the important breakpoints without unarmoured on rampage

[dim moth]

both are good

vulture gives better safety

[idle ore]

i remember running unarmored on vet for bruiser one shot or snth

[obsidian crown]

How so

[dim moth]

dependency gives better damage/desperado uptime

[limber cradle]

I prefer vultures but I am the most aggro, kill hungry player you'll meet in a pub

[manic wolf]

Vultures gives better damage too though?

its the same 15% crit chance iirc

Just only for ranged, not generic crit chance

[limber cradle]

Vulture's feels more like Hotline Miami maxxing

[cedar cairn]

Vulture lets me carry the team a little harder

[supple trellis]

you are competing for specials and elites, and considering HS unique ranged lack AP.... you are on the backfoot compared to psykers, Vets and arbies

[terse creek]

I’m calling it, if this class gets a rogue trader skin, it’s gonna be Jae

[obsidian crown]

??????????

[limber cradle]

Me when I do drugs and press desperado and mow down everything infront of me with the macs

[tepid compass]

But dependency gives better desperado uptime which is way more damage than the vulture buffs. I use both for different builds though, especially because some builds I don’t want to spend points on the nodes on the way to dependency

[cedar cairn]

Not in my experience because no one ever shoots the fuckin gunner until I do lmao

[zinc heath]

if i want to be like 90% ranged with a gun build. dependecy better or something ?

[obsidian crown]

I have zero issues with uptime with just cooldown stim

[manic wolf]

I dont think you're on the backfoot all that much, more so I think with autos than with stubs though because stubs hit a lot harder per shot, so that shot is less likely to not kill the opponent resulting in a warpfire tick getting the kill, which could (in theory) happen a decent amount with the auto

[narrow dagger]

just go dependency with cooldown stim

[zinc heath]

Hmm guess i should remake it

[supple trellis]

this too. CD reduction is great for upkeep

[dense hollow]

what difficulty are you playing where this happens

[supple torrent]

I really dont trust VD for avoiding damage. I'd prefer to dodge or duck into cover than rely on crits.

[obsidian crown]

It ain’t aurics that for sure

[supple trellis]

auric mostly

[obsidian crown]

Bullshit

[tight musk]

I got hit by a crusher overhead when I wasn't even in front of it.

Cool.

[limber cradle]

I do not have issues killing anything on scum personally

[obsidian crown]

Biggest cap I’ve seen unless you’re just super bad

[cedar cairn]

Yeah I was just using pure Kalma as my Cartel Special with Desperado and it worked fine for me

[rain tinsel]

Venereal Disease?

[digital lynx]

ive been running a bone saw dual autopistol rampage vultures build

[narrow dagger]

took ranged kill give cd for last node

and boom

[digital lynx]

its been good

[narrow dagger]

youre cool

[hardy maple]

its hard to tell if there's something buggy going on with the dodge or not, sometimes i dodge and it works and other times i do feel like its not working and i take a hit when i really shouldntve

[limber cradle]

The only thing I know about stim lab is fervor is for sure my favorite drug

[supple torrent]

Vulture's dong

[cedar cairn]

What do you think is on the bonesaw?

[sturdy linden]

Chem Dep is more generally good (CDR, crit, toughness) and also nets you better Despacito uptime. Vulture is kinda winmore keystone. I'm using Vulture rn for penance but I wanna swap back to Chem Dep ASAP personally, it's just much more consistent.

[cedar cairn]

Yeah I've been meaning to try that after penance grinding
Eventually

[supple trellis]

nah, i've played with veterans that pick off elites and specials quick, or flame psykers with brain burst. A bolter veteran also tend to go for those too. you can get kills but its a competition at that point, not to mention dealing with hordes mean you are not getting those vulture stacks if they are mostly little ones

[rain tinsel]

Some people are noticing that when you have Nimble in your build. Try without Nimble and see if you notice the same issue.

[restive mortar]

I am suffering a fashion crisis
I have everything but I don't know what to wear

[supple torrent]

Do you have any trouble with carapace?

wait wrong reply

[obsidian crown]

Ok yeah you’re bad

[manic wolf]

The only thing that annoys me about chem dep' for a gun build is pathing, you have to give up quite a lot to fit it in, which is awkward

[dense hollow]

i don't use dependancy because point tax, vulture's dodge is already next to nodes i should be taking anyways

[narrow dagger]

i did some testing with my rampage build. after rampage ends pop a tougness stimm and youre safe. its not great but it has its uses.

[cedar cairn]

I just bring +carapace Shivs

[digital lynx]

My issue with chem dep is that you need 3 talent points to get to it

[limber cradle]

Me resisting the urge to say this to anyone who complains about scum tbh

[digital lynx]

and you can just run a cd stim anyway

[supple trellis]

hahaha might be that indeed. I've ran HS on auric so far and i think i've done pretty alright by not dying most games

[sturdy linden]

yeah the pathing thing is valid, but the nodes themselves are quite good

[digital lynx]

your almost always pathing to vultures or adreline

[obsidian crown]

Solid competition indeed

[supple trellis]

oh wow, i really need to re-install my scoreboards now that ive seen it

[cedar cairn]

Personally I do not see myself running Dependency with no Bonesaw, or vice versa

[manic wolf]

Oh yeah no for sure, they absolutely are, just not ideal in some instances which makes it a bit rough

[obsidian crown]

That was a flame psyker in the melee only no ammo mael btw

[manic wolf]

Was Scoreboard fixed?

[obsidian crown]

Yes

[limber cradle]

I still can't believe they gave us addiction as a keystone perk

[manic wolf]

Aight

[supple trellis]

Might be my server but i run into a lot of try hards here. lots of them, so everyone is aiming for those elite and special kills. I'm guilty of that meself sometimes

[obsidian crown]

That’s…the game

[supple trellis]

indeed

[zinc heath]

Hmm i don't have auto infantry gun leveled and my diamate saving are all gone.

guess i will cope with dual pistol for now

[rain tinsel]

Here's the trick:
If everyone is trying super hard, just relax and let them do all the work for you. You spend less energy surviving and just deal with whatever gets in your way.

[limber cradle]

having 410, 420, 430 curios makes my brain happy ngl

[sturdy linden]

this is what I intend to go for once my Vulture penance is done

[prisma mauve]

This mindset goes hard

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[prisma mauve]

I dunno why I’m here I don’t own the hivescum

[prisma mauve]

Oh damn hi Desynch didn’t know u were here lol

[limber cradle]

you want us to convince you to buy it(its the most fun ive had in DT in 1000 hours)

[prisma mauve]

What’s fun about it?

[obsidian crown]

lol I mainly play bf6 and this now

[rain tinsel]

The harder you push yourself, the more prone you are to getting hit, making mistakes, etc.
If everyone else is pushing hard, let them deal with all that, and you get to be the one that solves the issues they cock up.

[zinc heath]

At least my char is some kind of crackhead john wick with double pistol lol

[supple trellis]

You can experience what it is to be on crack all the time... well most of the time

[limber cradle]

The risk vs reward is there. You do a metric fuckton of damage but if you get touched it's over, so you have to have your brain on.

[obsidian crown]

I can stream it later for you in our discord

[limber cradle]

Scum hardcore rewards skilled gameplay

Its so nice.

[prisma mauve]

TURN MY BRAIN ON!????!???!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[limber cradle]

Yeah it's the dead opposite of arbites

[bronze glade]

took slippery customer instead of nimble and wow it feels so much fucking worse

[prisma mauve]

Oh yeah I’m screwed because I main arbites lol

[limber cradle]

I was so worried scum was gonna be another arb and I am still so pleasantly surprised

[zinc heath]

I suck at this game but i like hive scum because it let me play the veteran playstyle i wanted to play

[rain tinsel]

Scum is for players that want to live and die by dodge-dancing and get high rewards for their actions.

[sturdy linden]

I like that hive scum is teaching me to suck less

trial by fire

[rain tinsel]

Scum absolutely showers you in sCum if you do well, and it shits all over you if you mess up. It's peaks and valleys.

[limber cradle]

I like that hive scum rewards my learned experiences of like 2k hours of tide games

[manic wolf]

A big boomer enjoyer? Based

[vast ferry]

define what you mean by "another arby", you might still be surprised 😏

[prisma mauve]

Yall are slowly convincing me ngl

[obsidian crown]

Nah I actually think it’s super strong but requires skill. I can show ya later

[limber cradle]

I mean a class that inputs minimal effort for maximal rewards, another walking simulator.

[vast ferry]

ah, I gotcha fam https://youtu.be/qf0eCjEoBcQ

[rain tinsel]

Scum also has zero chill.
Zero.
None.
It's all gas.
No brakes.
Crime and drugs, all day, evey day, 8 days a week.

[limber cradle]

You genuinely do not

[keen timber]

Or just play melee with rampage and it’s all reward 0 risk

[steep gyro]

fellow forbidden 430 owner

🤝

[vast ferry]

That's a brain dead walking sim you'll destroy havoc with 😏

[limber cradle]

Brunt sold it to me too, I was genuinely shocked

[idle ore]

is + cleave like from battering necesary on brutal momentum weapons

[keen timber]

No

[spice cloud]

Melee build with rampage is survivable as long as you just hit stuff

[keen timber]

Pretty sure they don’t care

[keen timber]

Yeah u can just keep swinging and keep living

[limber cradle]

I mean, if you get hit you still die. Its not arb in that the singular thing that can murder you is a trapper.

[keen timber]

If ur swinging ur winning

[rain tinsel]

Where does his arm end and his pectoral begin?

[vernal sluice]

has anyone tried mixing and matching stuff on the tree to make a hybrid melee/ranged hivescum?

[spice cloud]

Trapper can murder rveryone tho

[limber cradle]

Until you run out of meat for the grinder, then you eat shit.

[random shuttle]

yes

[vast ferry]

yeah but here's the thing you literally CAN'T get hit, so long as you are moving

[keen timber]

At that point everything is dead, you have 30 seconds until u can go sicko mode again

[spice cloud]

Trapper is just trapper

[limber cradle]

Which means you have to pay attention to your positioning.

[spice cloud]

It kills you regardless of class

[vast ferry]

no as in the physical motion of movement

[sturdy linden]

it doesn't have anything to enable this, technically (like WS or Arb's WS-from-Wish). You kinda swap weapons anyway while playing Scum just because of how the class is I find, but there's no real reward for a hybrid playstyle from a talents POV.

[random shuttle]

Exactly. Sometimes I position myself right under a Crusher overhead as a tactic to see if my team can pick me up when downed.

[limber cradle]

I'll be real, I think you just wanted to plug your own video in chat.

[vast ferry]

only as a bonus 😌

[vernal sluice]

Yeah, that's been my impression too so far

[keen timber]

I like to position right behind my team as the crusher tries to overhead me to see if my team can think fast

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[vast ferry]

but it's not just mine vid, you watch any vid that came out in the last few days for scum H40

you'll see the braindead builds

are rampart

[supple torrent]

but I don't want to stop shooting.

[plucky girder]

am i crazy or does this kinda suck, like maybe with some funky timing u can have ur stim come back when this things cooldown has just started but?

[bronze glade]

i'm really starting to think BS needs to just light spam

the heavies are so shit

[spice cloud]

Skillcheck activated

[sturdy linden]

I think calling any build on Hive Scum braindead is being criminally out-of-touch with the average skill level in this game, even if you're exclusively looking at Auric+

[limber cradle]

Irregardless of build you still have to pay attention to where you are and where enemies are, on arb i can play genuinely braindead cause of true grit and the dog saving me from everything but trappers.

[vernal sluice]

on auric/mael I only use heavies on crushers and maulers, and only l1 h2

[keen timber]

Calling anything brain dead in this game is out of touch

[spice cloud]

I dont like the bonesaw and crowbar im ngl

[rapid mango]

it means you can have a 15s stim to drop a box of corruption immunity that lasts 15s, every 15s

[limber cradle]

You do a fuckton of damage but you cannot get caught out

[muted holly]

"irregardless"

[vernal sluice]

for everything else I just activate rampage and spam lights, it's not worth doing some elaborate combos otherwise

[vast ferry]

Deperado is that broken, inf ammo and range immunity

[dim moth]

your stimm is almost always going to have a shorter cooldown than 60 seconds because of sample collector

[bronze glade]

crowbar feels ULTRA fucked without rampage and adren

which means the weapon is dogshit quite frankly

[mossy tapir]

Sample Collector and a stimm lower than 60 second cd makes it better since you cant access the cdr from dependency

[plucky girder]

but if ur stim is a 15 second cooldown then the effects of the stimm box are kinda ass no?

[vast ferry]

It doesn't matter your skill lvl so long as you know how to aim in the general direction

[dim moth]

nah any stimm will have lower tahn 60 with sample collector

[spice cloud]

Yeah i really like the look of both but uuurgh

[sturdy linden]

I am not disagreeing with that assertion, I'm just saying that for the average Auric+ player, NOTHING on Hive Scum is braindead in the least, there really is zero margin for error.

[keen timber]

Crowbar just knocks things around without killing them or kills one thing at a time unless ur built into it

[rapid mango]

if you are taking a 15s stim, its specifically for the corruption immunity, which means blight in havoc is a fucking cake walk

[bronze glade]

yeah good stagger, i'll give it that. the horde clear is atrocious though

[mossy tapir]

I guess it depends on how much you wanna value the shitbomb from booby trap

[muted holly]

crowbar in secondary mode destroys carapace

[vast ferry]

what MARGINE, LOL, you have inf ammo and you can't be hit by ranged

[muted holly]

without rampage

[spice cloud]

If only it had some decent blessings….

[muted holly]

with rampage, you're a crowbar-swinging-blender

[spice cloud]

Oh well

[mossy tapir]

You could 15 second it and spam that shit but have no stim but having strength+rending at the very least does boost all that chem tox

[keen timber]

I didn’t realise desperado was 100% uptime

[plucky girder]

didnt even know this talent existed tbh i see the power of it now, not really sure what build to run with stimm box so im kinda just using my rampage setup with some things swapped around

[mossy tapir]

45 second cd with sample collector means you can spam it pretty good

[vast ferry]

it is almost, if you spec chem depend and pure cd stim

[supple torrent]

Also doesnt your stim cooldwon immediately with stim supply?

[mossy tapir]

But I add barrage 3 for the extra dr since you gotta man fight in the aoe of the med pack to make sure what you want to blow up stays there

[vernal sluice]

I don't use either on my desp build and it's still very powerful and survivable

[mossy tapir]

Ye

[sturdy linden]

yes but you CAN be hit by melee, you CAN take damage from environmental hazards, and you CAN run out of Despacito at the worst possible time amnd be caught in a shit position. Again, for a skilled player none of this is an issue. For the average player it is, and if you can't see that then like I said, criminally out-of-touch. Not disagreeing with your statement on the power level at all.

[vernal sluice]

don't be afraid to backpedal a bit if need be, you're not gonna get trounced like in havoc for doing so

[bronze glade]

stimm cd is separate from stimm supply

[muted holly]

it's backwards - stimm box becomes available as soon as your stimm does

[low harbor]

auric+ players are not avg

[sturdy linden]

no, Stimm Supply uses your stimm and then you get it back using Sample Collector

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447285137833328660/image.png?ex=693710d2&is=6935bf52&hm=7adffb4cb712a5d2d41daacd685d5e78260efdbc51564246a4d2983d09253c93&

I did mine like this

[bronze glade]

if you take the tax subnode lol

[sturdy linden]

I very specifically said "average auric+ player"

[bronze glade]

(which you should)

[dim moth]

can drop some of the cleave, the 15% damage on the left, or the DR above adrenaline frenzy to upgrade stuff

[manic wolf]

Gubsy IRL

[dim moth]

those are the flex points

[muted holly]

so you take stimm-cooldown-on-kill and find yourself with your stim box handy frequently

[vast ferry]

Only reason you think anybody is out of touch is because 95% of the general player base is spec'ing pure melee scum due to marketing and that's all you see getting rekt. Once these ranged builds become the norm you'll see what's really out of touch 😂

[low harbor]

that group is way too bipolar for the avg to rly matter tbh

[sturdy linden]

my point is very simple: calling ANY build on Hive Scum "braindead" is an insane take when considering any kind of average player.

[dim moth]

yeah

even desperado stuff which is the easiest and strongest scum playstyle

[compact oyster]

hive scum is far from braindead considering its survivability

[dim moth]

is gonna be really difficult for the averag dude

[muted holly]

had my first situation of Rampage's exhaustion killing me earlier today

wasn't pleased

[spice cloud]

I have my stim on dmg and cdr so i can melee if i run out of desperado when i run out and get it back fast.

[keen timber]

Rampage exhaust feels like a total non issue for me ngl

[limber cradle]

Same tbh

[muted holly]

most of the time it isn't

[manic wolf]

Stam regen curios do almost be a hard requirement for Rampage setups, as if it wasnt already one of the best picks

[sturdy linden]

I literally said in this chat on the DAY after release that Despacito Scum would be more hated than Smykers and Ogrynheimers because of how OP they are and they shut down the game. Again, I am not disagreeing with your assertions. I am simply saying that I ahve seen plenty of Despacito Scum eat shit because there IS a high skill floor to the class. Please understand.

[muted holly]

but in extended engagements, Rampage will run out

[low harbor]

desperado is a brainrot playstyle

[muted holly]

you can't keep it up indefinitely

[keen timber]

Unless I have 6 ragers up my asscrack when it ends, it’s fine

[manic wolf]

It do be fun tho

[muted holly]

or a couple crushers and a bulwark in crowd

[spice cloud]

It really is but i love just blasting the fckn piatols

[low harbor]

for half a match yea

[dense hollow]

you have the shout node anyway that staggers when rampage runs out

[muted holly]

and you suddenly find yourself out of stamina immediately

the exhaustion effect really needs to be adjusted

[plucky girder]

whats ur stimm with this?

[spice cloud]

Why?

[muted holly]

no reason for the class to be penalized so harshly just for using their ability

[spice cloud]

Its super strong regardless

[bronze glade]

if anything exhaustion is kinda not enough to make up for how damn strong rampage is lol

also what the fuck is wrong with the servers

weapon swapping just bugs out 10% of the time

so fucking annoying

got me killed

[muted holly]

there shouldn't be any penalty just for using the ability

[hallow creek]

I think FS needs to put more incentive for collection and item pick ups in mission again. I can probably imagine it is very confusing for new players when it is a toss up if they will run into a group that will take time to collect platsteel etc.

[spice cloud]

Rampage turns u into a damn blender

[bronze glade]

even the mod doesn't fix it

[sturdy linden]

it may be bipolar but you roll the dice with your teammates every match. It is what it is. Like I said, I've seen plenty of Despacito Scum eat shit, and eaten shit once myself. I repeat, no "braindead" HS build exists unless you're at a skill level where it doesn't matter whether it's braindead or not, you will win anyway.

[limber cradle]

Game borked rn

[keen timber]

It lasts for a huge duration has a short cd and is a huge stat boost

[dense hollow]

servers booted me out twice when stuff started spawning in event in aurics

[vast ferry]

okay humour me, what build in game would YOU consider "braindead"?

[low harbor]

buddy it's a sunday while DT is f2p

we got 5x the normal steam players on at this very moment

[bronze glade]

forgot that it's f2p rn

[spice cloud]

And you can just pop the stim while exhausted

[low harbor]

32k concurrent

[dim moth]

I drop the attack speed during blight spreads missions for more uptime on corruption immunity

[bronze glade]

fuckers need to get off so i can play without getting cucked by servers

[limber cradle]

Very successful class release methinks

[muted holly]

yeah, Darktide hasn't enjoyed such a player count in months

[sturdy linden]

In descending order: EO BTL Arbites, with or without dog. Taunt Ogryn with mk3b and Rumbler. WS Vet of different flavors. Smyker. Trauma Psyker.

(haven't played Zealot in a long while so can't say there)

[zinc heath]

Damn that's like higher than destiny 2 i think

[low harbor]

they 100% made bank this update
hvs release + new one-time aquila bundle + athonian skins

[dim moth]

the average chorus zealot build is about as "stimulating" as smite psyker

[obsidian crown]

Not forceful?

[limber cradle]

Im ngl scum got me to use the slop shop for the first time in actual ages

[sturdy linden]

oh right how'd I miss smyker lol

[dim moth]

and does about as much damage too

[bronze glade]

i love stimulating chorus boys

[dim moth]

at least they give utility instead of just bad crowd control

[sturdy linden]

I love Forceful but EO is beyond insane honestly

it's not close

[vast ferry]

yeah sorry nope, none of those is as braindead as ranged scum atm 😂

actually

smyker

exception

[limber cradle]

This you?

[crude matrix]

the average chorus zealot not doing anything for half the match: (they're contributing)

[spice cloud]

Forcefull is very good but eo just turns your brain of and tells u what to hit

[muted holly]

uh, showing which targets to prioritize is not "turning your brain off"

[sturdy linden]

All of those can take more than 2 hits in melee and survive a second in environmental hazards. Again, I think your expectation of average skill level is wildly out of touch.

[spice cloud]

It does kinda force u into it imo

[dim moth]

teammates don't kill a flamer and I die instantly to floor flames

very sad

[compact oyster]

coat skin goes hard

[low harbor]

ranged hvs is just brainrot

[obsidian crown]

I looked at forceful being more braindead than EO because it’s fucking tanky but I guess we have diff definitions of braindead

[low harbor]

I think desperado shouldn't refill tgh

[muted holly]

or nobody kills the bomber and he gets several grenades into the area

[spice cloud]

I think its fine

[low harbor]

pickpocket and vulture's dodge are also op

[sturdy linden]

EO makes you so crazy powerful that every enemy stops being a threat, plus wallhack

[vast ferry]

No, your idea of input mechanics and reactionary variables is what's "out of touch". The way you can play ranged scum, due to inf ammo, is the fact YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENGAGE IN MELEE, EVER, and still have per par output. That put it above anything you can mention in the braindead category

[spice cloud]

Pickpocket is broken yeah

Just inf ammo

[limber cradle]

Deluxe skin goes nuts tbh, I like being a techno gladiator even more tho

[low harbor]

pickpocket is just survivalist pro max plus

[limber cradle]

Pickpocket my goat

What the fuck is ammo

[low harbor]

it needs to get axed

[limber cradle]

I absolutely believe it will, until then tho?

[keen timber]

If you go up difficulty, simply having ammo isn’t enough to not need to go into melee though….

[limber cradle]

Pickpocket my goat

[spice cloud]

Funny thing is peoplr where scared about the aura being better then vets instead

[sturdy linden]

brother / sister, again, I am not disagreeing on the power level. But if you're telling me that the average player is good enough to position so well that they completely don't engage in melee at all ever and always maintain 100% Despacito and never get caught in bad positions, then you are literally proving my one and only point of disagreement.

[keen timber]

Melee is important for the defensive application

[low harbor]

gunslinger aura is ok but I think the other 2 better usually

[spice cloud]

But u dont even need aura with oickpocket

[dreamy rover]

I think there's a bug between rampage and using your stims

[vast ferry]

you just block and get out of surround, pull some distance, and then range, never have to risk actual melee combat

[trim wind]

desperado scum don't need to melee very much actually, regardless of difficulty

[manic wolf]

Gunslinger aura seems very pointless given Pickpocket exists

[crude matrix]

hey can i get uhhhhhh one helping of infinite ammo

[low harbor]

survivalist is quite a bit better than gunslinger still

[keen timber]

What

[low harbor]

which is fine

[dense hollow]

i'll run gunslinger aura after the first week, theres just too many scum players rn for it to get value

[low harbor]

but pickpocket needs to go

[dense hollow]

none of them need ammo

[keen timber]

Yeah you can sit there and block everything for sure

[spice cloud]

Exactly but i still take it for the homies

Its fine for the big pouches

[vernal sluice]

pickpocket will never go

[vast ferry]

yes lol, you block and push your way out of surround, then start to kite, what's magical about that

[muted holly]

replace Pickpocket's 20% refill with "gain ammo equal to a small ammo pickup"

[low harbor]

pickpocket needs to be like
melee kill a ranged elite to refill up to 10% of reserve ammo, with a 30s internal cooldown

[muted holly]

there, fixed

[keen timber]

You thinking the average player can do that

[spice cloud]

Crushers and bulwarks exist exist:

[keen timber]

It’s still infinite ammo

[vernal sluice]

It's not hard, really.

[limber cradle]

Part of me thinks scum is gonna get arby tier slap on the wrist nerfs cause of how scared FS is to nerf stuff already+85 percent of the playerbase not being able to cope with the class.

[vernal sluice]

So, skill issue

[manic wolf]

Ngl I default to crit chance aura on a ranged build just because it drops TTKs enough to be worthwhile in a lot of situations. Finishing missions with upwards of 45% crit is kinda stronk

[keen timber]

It isn’t but the average player is very shit

[vernal sluice]

You know it

[obsidian crown]

Thank god devs don’t listen to you.

[vernal sluice]

Well more's the pity

[obsidian crown]

30 is way too harsh

[low harbor]

20s also ok, this is draft anyway

numbers can be changed

[vernal sluice]

I already started speedrunning uprising to finish the final scum penances since I can't win missions in aurics when I'm being borderline griefed by pugs

[vast ferry]

if you managed to get surrounded by THOSE you are already fucked 90% time. Talking about normal chaffs and whatnot

[sturdy linden]

that's been my point so far

[obsidian crown]

Keep the conditions as is but 15 icd is what I would do

[vast ferry]

@sturdy linden Your "average" player will do much better on ranged scum compared to any other "braindead" builds you listed above, THAT'S the real point

[manic wolf]

And those situations, ladies and gentlemen, are why Blackouts are the superior grenade choice. You can unfuck your fuckup by knocking around a bunch of armour

[vernal sluice]

just had to quit a mission where the entire rest of the team was too scared to run through a tox gas cloud to defuse the final bomb and I was circling a horde around for 3 minutes before the netcode decided I didn't actually dodge a trapper net

[low harbor]

that's also ok ig, as long as not <10s ICD

[obsidian crown]

I’ve seen bad streamers run out of ammo even with pickpocket because they don’t pay attention to ammo reserves

[limber cradle]

I think I've ran out of ammo with pickpocket a whole one time since the class released and it's cause I was hardcore just magdumping whatever moved

[obsidian crown]

15s icd should in theory force better ammo management and target priority

[vernal sluice]

I don't even run pickpocket and I have NEVER ran out of ammo

[low harbor]

I do think the "melee kill a ranged elite" condition needs to be a thing

[vernal sluice]

the worst I've had happen was had half a mag remaining

[manic wolf]

I ran out the other day.. two of my pug teammates were going down every 30s and I had to spunk all my ammo constantly just to keep the mission rolling forward... it was... a struggle.

[vernal sluice]

everybody is running gunslinger aura so I inevitable get dapped up

[obsidian crown]

That’s too detrimental especially in h40

[sturdy linden]

no they will not. The hardest mechanic in this game is horde management, proper dodging / pushing / kiting / positioning. A trauma psyker or Tauntgryn or Arbi can literally ignore said mechanic 90% of the time, Ogryn and Arbi by just whacking stuff / having the dog whack / using ability, and Psyker by bombing his feet. You are trying to compare these to a class that, even with Desperado, still REQUIRES some basic skill in horde management to not get caught out. This is my last message on it because you seem determined to not get it. Maybe the next time you see a Desperado Scum eat dirt in game you might recall this chat lol

[keen timber]

Yeah I fully agree with everything you’ve said

[low harbor]

or at the very least "melee kill an elite"

[obsidian crown]

How

[low harbor]

but if it's melee kill an elite then ICD should be 20s+

[grand jewel]

toxmaxxing with nades, saw and needle does so much damage lol

[glad stone]

btw can you dodge during stim activation animation?

[manic wolf]

How did I run out or how did they go down every thirty seconds?

[obsidian crown]

I don’t agree with the melee kill tbh. But that’s your opinion. The class’s identity for desperado is ranged

[obsidian crown]

How did you run out

[manic wolf]

Because I was shooting everything for funsies

[steep vale]

I heard somewhere that grape bonesaw was the best armor strip in the game is that actually true

[obsidian crown]

But should be enough elites or whatnot to be fine

Unless was lower diff?

[manic wolf]

There was most of the time, but towards the end event it dried up a fair bit, an no it was Auric Maelstrom

[obsidian crown]

Ah unlucky I guess

[manic wolf]

Ye, Vigil Station, so it occasionally has weird spawnage

[vast ferry]

You just can't understand the fact you don't have to engage in direct melee combat to kill horde and can do it from range with 0 input effort completely invalidate any advantage you put on these other classes

[dense hollow]

helbore lasgun shoots something twice/stabs it twice and it gets 40% brittle if you use that blessing

[low harbor]

ranged hvs really doesn't need to interact with all those melee mechanics most of the time

[dense hollow]

idk if bonesaw is the best armor strip in the game but it is valuable

[low harbor]

it's essentially like having longer reach to not need to engage in melee

[zealous ravine]

ranged hvs is the funny hold m1 the entire match playstyle

[placid prairie]

Bonesaw is in an interesting spot for me, because it simultaneously does and doesn’t feel like a wet noodle to me, but I acknowledge that thing really is a monster

[muted holly]

I hate the Bonesaw moveset, so I refuse to use it

[obsidian crown]

You say that but there’s an incredible amount of floor pov desperados I’ve seen

[zealous ravine]

bonesaw defo feels like it is uh something i think

[placid prairie]

It just REALLY involves using the coatings

[zealous ravine]

the dmg feels low for how heavy its attacks feel its so weird

[placid prairie]

Not one tapping a shotgunner on a heavy because I’m using the tox coating is yucky

But using the ourple one taps

[muted holly]

meanwhile, the crowbar's animations are great

[random shuttle]

the damage is good

[muted holly]

you get great feedback when you hit things

[random shuttle]

just let it rip

[zealous ravine]

its alright dmg

[vernal sluice]

huge amounts of floor kissing scum in general

[placid prairie]

You kinda need the ourple for anything flak and above

But it will fuck them up

[zealous ravine]

ourple sludge....

[north meteor]

Is this bugged for everyone?

[muted holly]

that doesn't look like a Scummer penance

[tardy citrus]

these pants go so fucking hard bro

[limber cradle]

Immaculate drip

[north meteor]

is it not?

[tardy citrus]

😂

shit is so clean

[limber cradle]

Water Cartel reppin

[vernal sluice]

they are drippy as hell

[tardy citrus]

btw what is cartel special? i haven't seen it in the tree anywhere

[muted holly]

meanwhile, the Tread Lightly top has a fucking purple arm wrap instead of blue

[limber cradle]

Its being under the effect of your stim

[random shuttle]

Custom Stimm

[tardy citrus]

ahhh

okay

[placid prairie]

Stimm

[tardy citrus]

ty fellow scum

[vernal sluice]

ngl I really like hvs drip, I thought it would just be a steaming pile of unaesthetic dogshit

[placid prairie]

Sorry to be the third person saying the same thing lmao

[random shuttle]

Have a Scummy day, sir!

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-run-anime-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-6268275553397729241

[limber cradle]

My homie bought me Snake Eater and I really should play it but my god do I want my 43 remaining wins

[tardy citrus]

BACK TO KILLING

[placid prairie]

Oh shit, that’s right. So far I’ve had one person acknowledge my hive scum’s name and that genuinely made me very happy lmfao

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-brown-im-shittsing-shittsing-shittting-shit-gif-24896726

[limber cradle]

Ive had a few ask me about mine tbh

[placid prairie]

Named mine Viper The Rapper

[limber cradle]

Is that you?

I saw that on my friends list and laughed tbh

[placid prairie]

YES

THAT IS ME

[limber cradle]

Good joke tbh

[placid prairie]

TELL ME IT’S NOT SUPER FITTING

[limber cradle]

Which voice?

Anarch?

[tardy citrus]

Some have laughed at mine being named Fentghoul

[placid prairie]

I went with outlaw because I genuinely like the voice, but if it’s worth going anarch for the bit, I’ll consider switching

[limber cradle]

I get "Jacket like Hotline Miami?" at least twice a day so far

[grand jewel]

OI, ROTTERS, COME AND GET IT

never gets old

[limber cradle]

I heard my first F Outlaw recently

[placid prairie]

I saw you on my own social tab and was like “Oh that’s fun haha”

I remembered you making the hotline miami comparison

[limber cradle]

I love HM

10/10 game

Absolute peak

[placid prairie]

Funnily enough another friend of mine considered jacket

But settled on Jared Leto

[limber cradle]

The Jonkler?

[placid prairie]

Yeah lmao

[limber cradle]

Tbh

There is a surprising lack of Jonklers

I expected more Jinx too

[grand jewel]

same

launcher and all

[limber cradle]

Ive seen i think 2 Jinx with the rocket

[placid prairie]

Though they changed the bit to CIA agent, like a government plant, except the name was blocked

[limber cradle]

Ive seen one whole Jonkler

[placid prairie]

So at my suggestion they now go by Glowie

same bit

[limber cradle]

Thats awful lmfao

[placid prairie]

Whenever someone jokes about crackheads in chat, he basically does the “hello fellow kids” bit

[grand jewel]

do drugs and don't stay in school

[placid prairie]

“Yes, fellow methamphetamine users. Let us sally forth”

[limber cradle]

Saint Methalina watch over me

[placid prairie]

REAL

Fuck that’s a good name too lmao

[manic wolf]

Ive seen someone with that exact name

[limber cradle]

I have too, its where I stole it from.

[placid prairie]

Fair lmfao

[grand jewel]

how do you convince the game to let you have it

[manic wolf]

If its being blocked?

Add in a double letter

[limber cradle]

I have absolutely no idea how some of these names are getting through

[placid prairie]

Steam i think

[manic wolf]

Thats how I ended up with Connie-Linngus on psyker lule

[grand jewel]

hm

[placid prairie]

Also no spaces

Either forfeit them or dashes

[grand jewel]

I mean I like my name I just think if I was to change it, saint methalina is great

nobody will ever guess the VA

[placid prairie]

Damn you got mel gibson to voice your hive scum

That’s wild

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/braveheart-mel-gibson-scotland-gibson-scottish-gif-21954284

change it to purple paint and its basically the same

[supple torrent]

I really wish there were some shades

[grand jewel]

what you need sunglasses for?

[supple torrent]

cool factor

[grand jewel]

fair

[placid prairie]

Honestly lmao

[toxic dagger]

ok im going to make a build that goes all-in on the needle pistol and the stimm and the crate. it won't have a keystone because none of them synergize with it. 50% chance it's going to be stupid, 50% chance it's going to be lit af

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-what-insomnia-no-sleep-gif-13337078

[night nymph]

why is everyone in damnation ass right now lol it's like heresy and damnation reversed or something

[drowsy relic]

Adrenaline synergises with anything

[supple torrent]

^

90s dependency should be easy to keep up if you play a little selfish for a bit.

[random shuttle]

18m Spireside with 4 nutjobs going full throttle

[rare idol]

Reeeeee weekend

[supple torrent]

eventually you only need to self stim every 180 s

[limber cradle]

4 addicts murder 1.5k in 20 minutes, more news at 11

This class makes DT even funnier tbh

[rare idol]

Bag stim should really count for the heavy attack w/ stim penance

[dreamy rover]

Scum has some jank in the talent tree. Hopefully fatshark will be able to fix it.

[limber cradle]

So, is anarchist defacto the most popular scum voice in yalls experience too?

[manic wolf]

Seems to be yeah

[rare idol]

Chem dep would be way better if instead of being a totally pointless CDR option it made your chems last longer and gave them more power/extra effects

[glacial gyro]

Oh my god chem kills don't activate adrenaline

[dreamy rover]

Nope

[rare idol]

Yeah tox is just not integrated well into the mechanics of scum rn 😂

[misty condor]

i picked fem bounty hunter and theres pretty much always at least 1 other fem BH in my games haha

[fast junco]

is there any mechanic to get the self stim cooldown lower?

[dreamy rover]

Quite a bit of perks clashing with each other

[compact oyster]

fem anarchist yes

[misty condor]

seems to be super popular

[rare idol]

Stim collector

[trim wind]

sample collector

[limber cradle]

M anarchist seems super popular too tbh

Sample collector goated tbh

[fast junco]

Only sample collector in the tree?

[rare idol]

People love the crazy or douche voices for all the classes 😂

[trim wind]

it's extremely strong

[placid drum]

I did a few auric games with vultures mark with my desperado again and honestly it slaps

[bronze glade]

maul and anarchist represent 🔥

[limber cradle]

Tbh I love bounty hunter

[dreamy rover]

Maul is unintentionally funny

[limber cradle]

What accent is bounty hunter?

[bronze glade]

they're all hilarious

i love them

[manic wolf]

For how boring Psyker is to play, the german lunatic psyker VA did top work, the character is such a massive arsehole an its hilarious

[limber cradle]

Have you ever noticed newer male loner lines are way more toned down?

[toxic dagger]

I'm talking all of the desirable defensive/utility blues and everything that works with the toxin. Run out of points for any keystone. Don't need em

[glacial gyro]

melee hits with the saw straight up are not giving me a stack of adrenaline

[manic wolf]

I have not

[limber cradle]

They feel like they are to me.

I could be wrong

[marble flower]

What gun to you run? Still trying to decide for a ranged build. So far crowbar chemical dependency build has been all I've gotten to work. But it's really funny to swing a crowbar faster than humanly possible

[placid drum]

I used dual auto pistols and still need to try out some of the autoguns

[glacial gyro]

I am also not getting adrenaline stacks for melee hits with the saw. If I have the Smiter node for it I get them if I land a killing blow with the saw but you're supposed to get a stack on hit and the saw is straight up not giving that stack on hit

[dreamy rover]

Funny how shredder is still the worst pistol in the game

[placid drum]

Only thing that takes some effort and time to kill are crushers

[manic wolf]

I would have put that as the slow firing laspistol personally, but yeah thats pretty bad too

[glad latch]

Double it's mag size and carried ammo and boom, we have the "never run out of ammo gun", niche achieved.

[dreamy rover]

Can't knock on the heavy laspistol crits. They hurt quite a bit.

[tender forge]

true secret way to do the toughness penanvr

play with friend who just installed game

[manic wolf]

Sure, but the fast firing one's crits also hurt, and you can shit out more shots with higher DPS

The slow firing one is trying to occupy the same niche as infantry lasguns, an they're not amazing to start with

[final comet]

Do needle gun chem kills proc voice of tertium?

[spice cloud]

You mean if they count as ranged kill?

[final comet]

Correct

[manic wolf]

They do not

[spice cloud]

Yes

[rare stirrup]

DoT kills don't proc anything

[final comet]

Ah, figures

[dreamy rover]

Welp

[spice cloud]

No?

Lol guess not

[manic wolf]

No, coz DoT kills arent ranged damage, they're DoTs

[spice cloud]

Buggers

[final comet]

by design? complete accident despite the class being focused heavily around chem dots and fatshark forgetting halfway through developing it? you decide!

[steep gyro]

yeah, the DoT doesn't work with a majority of their kit outside of toxin buffs on bottom right, which kind of blows

[steep gyro]

we dont know

[spice cloud]

Well that changes my builds a little lol

[rare stirrup]

Which is funny because that basically means needle has like 3 blessings that actually do anything