hivescum-class

[forest escarp]

melee scoom vs crusher gameplay

[sleek grove]

ok, honestly, i hate dual autopistols

they just don't do enough suppression

[rapid mango]

they should do more but man are they a fun special sniping tool

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-what-insomnia-no-sleep-gif-13337078

[rapid mango]

if needlepistol wasnt such a strong sidearm, it'd be pistols for me

[grand jewel]

quickly snapping to and firing off a burst at snipers in guam and they die is neat

[sleek grove]

Compared to stuff like brauto/iag, shit doesn't get suppresse

[rapid mango]

i just use the trickshot ngl

[steep vale]

Id like the needlepistol of i could do stuff like this

[last marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-pam-beesly-theyre-the-same-picture-the-same-picture-they-are-the-same-picture-gif-20830121

[obsidian crown]

Its suppression is killing your enemies

[rapid mango]

im torn because needler is slow but its boss DPS is great

[tardy citrus]

not bad not bad

[rapid mango]

the pistols are fun and faster

[tardy citrus]

i love the pistols

[rapid mango]

but the needler is also anti-crusher

[tardy citrus]

they're just cool

[steep vale]

My build im basically only melee so the guns are there incase i need the range

[tender marten]

Nah I agree tho there's no good way to lock down a room of shooters with the cap guns. You gotta pick them off one at a time and it does that well but your team is going to be taking gunfire the entire time.

[tender forge]

I literally just added a blackout counter lol

by the nade

which funnily enough doesnt even appear in game

[tender marten]

BAG on the other hand I just dump thirty or forty rounds towards the enemy and then press Desperado to start the killing speedrun.

And they all stay ducked the entire time.

[tardy citrus]

I really hope they add a QoL to the stubs tho and let you just hold down the firing button to keep shooting vs having to continuously pull the trigger

I'm murdering my mouse

😭

[tender marten]

Graia braced is peak scummer behaviour.

[tender forge]

not sure why that buff icon is psykanium only

[tardy citrus]

Death by volume

😏

[tender marten]

I know, I know, I know! OPEN FIRE

[steep vale]

I think its goofy especially with run and gun

Feel like im actually spraying and praying

[steep vale]

Let’s see those spleens!!!!!

[tardy citrus]

On one hand I like it, but it's killing my mouse to click that much that fastt.

[grand jewel]

why do they need to be suppressed lmao

[rotund agate]

same, I just use revolver...

[grand jewel]

auto pistols are the SMGs

not the snubs

[rapid mango]

then they're named oddly, and i dont really care. the 1911's .

[tender forge]

how bad do y'all think the cleaver would feel without battering strikes?

[vital tendon]

Is gunslinger improved worth it for high havoc?

[tender marten]

Almost as bad as being part of the Tread Lightlies (forges drool, water cartel rules)

[fair oar]

if you 1 shot a little horde dude with yellow bonesaw, do you get the 15% toughness

[tender forge]

no

you need to applyt then kill with melee

[tender forge]

cultist headass

ragged king headass

default level 30 legendary skinds headass

[ruby kelp]

Water cartel rise up

[tender forge]

participants

[tender marten]

yall just jealous cuz ur dying of dehydration

[tender forge]

better trad lightly

[fair oar]

these are the best pants in the game any truers

[vital tendon]

Is gunslinger improved worth it for high havoc?

[tender marten]

Very

[tender forge]

nah too busy making shit to be thirsty

[raw kettle]

Lol leopard print

[tender forge]

y'all are controlled by the cult of admnonition anyways

hows rodin karnak as a boss

[tender marten]

dead

[tender forge]

so's the rest of the ragged kings

[idle ore]

What makes heavy sword good into crushers in Cole’s build? Is it just the rending during rampage?

[steep vale]

Havent taken them off since unlock

[rustic zinc]

So do DOT (chemtox) kills trigger all on-kill stuff correctly? Mostly I care about Pickpocket and Sample Collector

[tender marten]

Hyperviolence

[tender marten]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3586590987

All interactions here.

[idle ore]

Is it just the additional dmg

Or am I missing some rending somewhere

[tender marten]

Yea

[iron patrol]

is this the Fentanomicon?

[tender marten]

If you are just fighting a Crusher in a cold start with nothing else to farm up on first it's nothing spectacular.

[idle ore]

That makes sense

[iron patrol]

hyper stacks infinitely no?

[tender marten]

But if you've been cleaving through a mixed horde for five or ten or twenty seconds and then a Crusher shows up that dude is doornailed.

[iron patrol]

i remember one shotting like a 7 crusher cluster back to back while railing a horde

legit lawnmower

[idle ore]

Wdym stacks infinitely?

The duration?

[iron patrol]

the damage

[tender marten]

The damage carry over.

[iron patrol]

it just stacks higher and higher

[idle ore]

Oh wait wtf

Had no idea that was how it worked

[eager reef]

watching my team let a dog wipe the run after i pulled it from a wipe 4 times over

[tender marten]

100 overkill on a target = 25 extra damage. Next target is 125 overkill damage. Now it's 137. Etc.

[iron patrol]

yeah if you can get like 9 poxwalkers you can just shred the mauler horde sprinkled with ragers

[idle ore]

Neat

This class is awesome

[steep vale]

Have any of yall noticed that scum can tank an overhead

[tender marten]

You can also fairly deliberately stack it up on Specials, since Flamers, Hounds, and Mutants take 3x melee damage.

One crit headshot kill on a hound you put low with light attacks is a lot of bursted Hyperviolence damage

[iron patrol]

desperado is hella skill based and i do not have the target acquisition and reaction time for it, chem crate spam is low ceiling decent fun good support and rampage adrenaline is melee zealot on crack

[keen timber]

adren is crazy strong

u can just pop it on a melee build and walk into a pack of ragers and win

[iron patrol]

adren is the keystone

rampage is the ability

[keen timber]

oh

right yeah

either way

the combination is cracked

so much damage so much bulk

[iron patrol]

the 5% regen/s is cracked for this, you get toughness on hitting so your ideal move is just toughness gating the tip of your bar so you dont take any perma damage

[idle ore]

Yea this class feels pretty tanky as long as you have stuff to hit

[iron patrol]

crit weakspot gives 12%, crit and weakspots give 8% and regular gives 4%

[tender marten]

Awful class to clutch with tho ngl

[azure mist]

Rampage Adrenaline Rashad literally just is “kill everyone” the build

[iron patrol]

really depends on if the game decides to hit you with 7 reapers next room

[tender marten]

Will It Blend Tertium edition

[idle ore]

I’m a tac axe enjoyer

[terse creek]

What? L take

[lilac crystal]

gunners rip up my scum way too often

[azure mist]

I clutched with a Chemist build…

Unironically the most fun I’ve had

[iron patrol]

gunners are fine, reapers are just bastards

they dont miss

gunners you can juke sidestep n shit

[eager reef]

im tired

[tender marten]

Nah it's pretty bad at clutching in general. You can put together a build that will have an easier time to do it but at baseline you can only really maintain your survival by attacking shit.

[lilac crystal]

reapers rip up everyone, theyre like a main threat

[tender marten]

And that's fucking rough.

[neon fern]

how many grenades did u throw at ur feet

[azure mist]

2-3 blinders

[terse creek]

Which is way actual good scum players take the two nodes that are directly under rampage, a trash scum player would Ignore it

[tender marten]

It's not impossible but it's obviously leagues away from the other classes, especially King Klutch Zealot

[azure mist]

Only happened when I got swarmed via ragers

[neon fern]

oh ur doing blinder tox

[azure mist]

Yeah…

[tender marten]

Tox Blinders > Chem Nade ngl

[neon fern]

death

[azure mist]

I prefer tox blinders

[iron patrol]

peek into room
6 reapers
whip out needle pistol and send 4 taps into each one
wait for 5 seconds while i sip some water
then go in

[azure mist]

Chem nades are insanely busted

[neon fern]

yeah but they don't regen like blinkers

[azure mist]

But like I enjoy the “out of my face goofy” throwing knives

[neon fern]

blinkers are free

[vernal sluice]

reapers are just a target priority check

they're a non issue if you know what you're doing

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-ahh-bullet-gif-27317439

[rustic zinc]

Isn't it 3-tap for needl vs. reaper? Or is that some H40 hp pool stuff?

[terse creek]

You could leave one to shoot you from time to time, causes that’s 30% free toughness every hit, and assuming you are dodging and not being dumb, W

[iron patrol]

blinders are pocket vet shouts

[high gull]

Me to a reaper any day of the week

[azure mist]

The Tox Blinder build:

Honestly just chemist builds in general

[high gull]

And here we are with people saying chemist wasn't good

[azure mist]

@high gull it’s dawned upon me how dumb you could make crate with a 15 second shitty custom stim with prepare node

[iron patrol]

if you can land all 3 to head yes, i am not gonna stand any longer than i need to trying to aim down and land weakspots, im direct dosing its ass and dipping, not like scum has a ammo shortage issue

[signal nebula]

It's not really that dumb. Whelming, if anything

[high gull]

I just say fuck it and go 100% visc

Toss a tox blinder into poxers

[neon fern]

crate is still dog wawa no matter what u do sadly

[high gull]

Needler aoe to the rest

Boom bam

Eggs and ham

I have my crate back in seconds

[rustic zinc]

It's nice to see something whelming for once, amid this climate of overwhelming and underwhelming stuff.

[tender marten]

Keep in mind the majority of players are operating the class with the underlying presumption of absolutely shit takes like this

[steep vale]

You seem like youd run crate

[neon fern]

ur always better off with the 2 other abilities

than crate

[tender marten]

Or Mr E's 'Desperado is useless trash actually'

[high gull]

https://media.tenor.com/tQAZPRWdoHIAAAAC/titanfall2.gif

[terse creek]

The average “casuals” having the most disgusting take imaginable

[azure mist]

Admittedly yes but like get this right it’s got me thinking solely cause crate makes you IMMUME TO CORRUPTION

[high gull]

Oh yeah 100% this

[iron patrol]

"very few ways to deal with carapace"
crit tox, needle, rocket if you feel zesty, hyper-violence if you can manage it
rampage with crit tox is the best way you can deal with carapace, no heavy attacks needed just poke a thousand doses into its ass in 5 seconds and it just crumbles over

[tender marten]

Or literally just get good.

[azure mist]

what if you ran sample collecter + Shitty 15 second stimm + prepared and long lasting chem crate node

[mossy tapir]

Most controversial opinion about stimm supply build: you absolutely do not need a keystone and as implemented chemical dependency would not actually benefit you that much

[tender marten]

Players when an enemy doesn't die in a single attack: This class sucks!!!

[high gull]

It's wild people take this man and tanner's opinions about balance seriously....

Truly mindblowing

[azure mist]

Literally just objectively better Beacon so zealot doesnt have to invest into that for Blighted Havocs

[lilac crystal]

which ones are those

[azure mist]

Yes

Blight is back in rotation

[tender marten]

The absolute joy you feel when a hound jumps you but it does zero damage for 15s so it's just puppy playtime timeout because you're too full of drugs to care

[azure mist]

In havoc

Fuck my chud life

[neon fern]

blessed stims

[terse creek]

-30% toughness when hit by range over seconds
-50% toughness when broken and stun immunity(10s cooldown)

[steep vale]

Dude i heard this class takes damage

What the fuck was fatshark thinking

[tender marten]

Damage is how you die. That's unacceptable.

[neon fern]

it's very sad that there's a penance tied to the shrate

alas alas

[tender marten]

Fatshark is literally killing their playerbase.

[azure mist]

The class with a support ability can’t heal

Literally useless

Unplayable

[iron patrol]

stim supply runs adrenaline, rampage runs adren/addict, desperado runs any of them depending on what they fancy

[neon fern]

i'll have to run crate just to get this done

[terse creek]

How?….

[azure mist]

Do a chemist build

[obsidian crown]

It’s sarcasm.

[trim wind]

Through sarcasm

[azure mist]

Makes crate feel so much fucking fun bro

[tender marten]

With a gun to their head telling them to march into a Crusher patrol with their dodge button unbound.

[steep vale]

I got it while leveling

[neon fern]

i already have one without crate and i was going to build off of it yeah

[iron patrol]

its 30% tougness regen/s over 3 seconds and 50% toughness replenish

[terse creek]

Ah, didn’t fully read all 💀
That’s on me, lol

[azure mist]

I beat 40 having to be beacon zealot cause Le blight spreads modifier

[neon fern]

i would just use the crate as a low cd grenade but i think the penance isn't about that iirc

[terse creek]

Those, yup, amazing picks that actually make the difference between a good and bad player

[azure mist]

Isn’t

[ancient python]

why is casuals in quotes?

[neon fern]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-ice-bucket-gif-13204649603819837751

[ancient python]

is there some secret lower order of person that's pretending to be casual? what would that even be?

[iron patrol]

30% toughness thing is legit broken, you know how you take 1 ranged hit between slides? yeah thats instant 30% toughness activation, in big fights i intentionally leave a shooter alive to keep feeding me the proc to keep rolling against 17 ragers

[mossy tapir]

Im saying like if you build to focus on the needler since In Your Face buffs chem toxin damage apparently, and since the needler has functionally infinite ammo with pickpocket, why switch to the bone saw outside of like ragers, crushers, and maulers directly up your nostrils. Adrenaline Frenzy needing 30 whole stacks to actually function when I could just put 3 needles in anything doesnt really make it an appealing choice to me compared to putting those points back into defense or other bespoke damage options that work with chem tox

[neon fern]

i hope they buff crate atsp

[azure mist]

It’s about buffing your team

[high gull]

Wanna see a army penguin?

[neon fern]

yeah that's awful

[bronze glade]

unironically the best toughness talent for HIV

[neon fern]

i hate buffing m yteam

[bronze glade]

(tfw the dodge class needs to get hit for its best toughness talent)

[neon fern]

when i could just rampge and kill evberything

[terse creek]

Same, leaving a shooter alive lowkey helps a ton

[steep vale]

Is there a lore reason why chem warfare works on nurgle or is it purely game mechanics

[azure mist]

Tip, do it at chokes or areas they’re forced to walk through

Or if they listen

[mossy tapir]

I hate buffing my team and bypassing the stimm duration stopping my stimm cooldown reduction

[azure mist]

Mark where youll place it

Then drop it

[neon fern]

i should kinap someone to do it faster

yes

[iron patrol]

what im saying is needler is strong without focusing on it, its literally a better revolver/bolt pistol to run for melee scum

[trim wind]

crate is fine, crate not interacting with dependancy is silly though

[final temple]

there is no lore reason to assert that every cultist of nurgle is immune to chem by default.

[high gull]

It could probably be summarized as...

Acid

[compact oyster]

The best talent for crate is when the buff lingers after you leave the crate area

[ancient python]

crate is kinda awkward since you don't know what someone else's crate is gonna do

[tender marten]

Genuinely mandatory imo

[somber blade]

ye aint there even stories about unworthy pox people melting from stronger poxes

[compact oyster]

Its useless without it

[iron patrol]

hydrocloric acid doesnt care, its like pouring bleach over mold

[terse creek]

Because

[steep vale]

Ah

[azure mist]

Unfortunate reason

[random shuttle]

real mission. Fent Knives build boss buster

[azure mist]

It was insanely busted in a stack

So it had to be done

[tight musk]

I use full viscosity on my stimm and get it back in like 30 seconds with sample collector.

[neon fern]

i still think it's p mid

support in dt usually not very good

[high gull]

If you go off the look of the chem nades, it's probably safe to assume that it's also highly acidic.

[tender marten]

You can still use dependency with crate, you'll just have to not use the crate for a little bit until you have your dependency stacked up first.

[iron patrol]

you just know scum does bumps of them shivs between missions

[high gull]

So you're just pumping mobs full of highly toxic, and corrosive chemicals.

[azure mist]

I’ll be honest this is probably the only support that’s worth defending or bringing along

[mossy tapir]

Yeah I guess you could focus elsewhere than the needler but like why bother when the needle puts out max stacks of tox in record time with darts that kills herds of ogryn and you can just keep doing it functionally forever

[random shuttle]

"The magic dust that keeps the engine going"

[trim wind]

yea just a bit annoying

[azure mist]

Cause of team wide buffs + corruption cleanse and immunity

[tender marten]

During missions*

[neon fern]

it's bttr than the other options i agree

but it's still supportslop

[azure mist]

Explode

[neon fern]

u will zupport ur team

[ancient python]

scum doesn't do cocaine, tolerance too high, doesn't make them feel shit

[toxic dagger]

you tell me

[neon fern]

u will watch them kill 4 u

[ancient python]

they need ESOTERIC shit

[toxic dagger]

pretty sure the only thing needler really likes is pickpocket

[mossy tapir]

I got my stimm loaded with strength, rending, and -12% damage taken for myself and others

[toxic dagger]

you can take a whole melee build aside from that and still be at like

90% peak performance

[tight musk]

I want to use hyper-critical but I also want to be able to regain toughness.

[tender marten]

Fatshark will create a secondary system where special sounds will now be tracked and physical mail will be sent to your home to warn you of their presence.

[high gull]

Unless it's a boss, you're not putting 31 stacks of toxin into anything before it dies.

[somber blade]

ye one can easly sneak pickpocket in to a full meele build it feels so nice as well

[ancient python]

if you get a tens unit you probably could rig the game to shock your nipples when a trapper spawns

[turbid fulcrum]

IS the stim crate ability gonna be any good once the bugs/inconsistencies are fixed?

[mossy tapir]

That big ass steam guide that goes in depth mentions a lot of talents contributing to chem toxin damage, even some stuff like run n gun and quick and deadly which i wouldn't have expected at first considering how it's worded

[mossy tapir]

Yeah, no more than 3 or 4 needles kills everything in short order but its still funny

[iron patrol]

yea shit turned the needle pistol from "i gotta aim and count my shots to be effective in killing specials" to "fuck it heres a elephant dose of morphine"

[high gull]

We just need to petition to give chem nades the same regenning properties as blinders, except it's every 20 toxin kills regens a new chem nade

[ancient python]

pickpocket is just a fantastic talent

[high gull]

That's fair and balanced

Truly

[mossy tapir]

Get this man a true

[iron patrol]

the chem damage node is on top the entire chem interaction tree so melee takes the tox on crit for the 15% toughness replenish on toxed enemy kill and stim regen

[tender marten]

That's way too underpowered. You mean to tell me that if I throw my chem nade at one singular Crusher that it won't regen? Lower it to one grenade regened per kill.

[somber blade]

imma start refering to that instead of the needler

[iron patrol]

i call it the fent dispenser personally

[gray wharf]

I want to love nimble but I always do better without it

[compact oyster]

Needle pistol is just making an enemy die from laced fent after 3 seconds

[random shuttle]

I call it my COVID GUN

[tender marten]

I never take nimble tbh

[tender forge]

god is the desperado boss damage funny with the iauto

[manic wolf]

Reginald out here firing shots man Just seen his video

[tender marten]

Regained Posture + Jittery, all you need.

[mossy tapir]

Honest to God I dont even take those talents anymore because youre telling me I gotta invest most of my build into crit for exactly 1 more stack per swing or 1 more stack per needle (mk 2), and the toughness replenishment on chem toxin afflicted melee kill when the chem toxin is actually fighting you for that kill when I could just take the triangle of safety talents under Rampage for more consistent results

[somber blade]

1 gram of fent is enough to kill like 10 people maybe thats the secret ?

[somber blade]

cough

[mossy tapir]

1 stack extra toxin or just shoot twice for double

[high gull]

In darktide's case yeah

[mossy tapir]

Plus gunslinger aura is nice to get a few more needles from ammo greedy friends

[high gull]

Shoot one aoe fent needle into a crowd of poxers

Watch them do the fenty fall

[iron patrol]

"most of my build" you have 10% base crit, 20% from a top tree talent, 5% from aura, 5% from a node and 20% combined from your weapon

[random shuttle]

I am sure FS/GW hates how everyone makes stimms Drug Jokes

[tender forge]

I think I've come up with my final "fixed chem dependency build"

[compact oyster]

Needle pistol is really good against mixed hordes

[high gull]

Chems is just a more family friendly way of saying drugs

[toxic dagger]

yeah a lot of generic damage buffs do work on it but it's not like the toxin DoT doesn't do enough damage out of the box

[iron patrol]

you get 60% from just going down the tree, crits are the freest thing this class gets

[tender marten]

Honestly with pickpocket and needle gun I just keep it set to blue mode 100% of the time. Doesn't matter if it takes an extra shot to kill some targets when said targets give me my ammo back anyway.

[gray wharf]

So does anyone run the ruffian aura?

[high gull]

It's how people skirt around the legality portion of stuff

It's used as a drug, has the same properties as a narcotic

But nah

these ain't drugs mate

they're chems

Trust

[steep vale]

“Yeah lets make a class that takes peds and is like known for crimes then get pissed people make drug jokes”

[high gull]

Even tho drugs are also chemical compounds...

[tender marten]

Chems = legal, scientific
Drugs = illegal, very fun

I'm a lawyer

[tender forge]

rending or cc for stimm pack do you think?

[mossy tapir]

Yeah I'm not saying it doesnt, needle gun is the sidearm of choice for like my rampage scum build

[steep vale]

Thank you lawyer

[toxic dagger]

not even chems, stimms. this is a legally distinct term to refer to a combat stimulant of indeterminate origin and nature. no real drugs were harmed in the making of this game

[eager reef]

god players are bad rn

[iron patrol]

doesnt blue apply like, 2 stacks of tox compared to yellows 6 on regular 8 on weak?

[steep vale]

Free week

[compact oyster]

Were skipping making drugs were just straight injecting the compounds into us

[mossy tapir]

So 60% of the time get 1 more stack of toxin or shoot twice for double the stacks of toxin idk seems like a bad deal to me imo

[eager reef]

ah, time to paly soemthing else

[steep vale]

So true

Crazy banner

Did not mean to open your profile thats my fault

[manic wolf]

I mean.. crit stacks also apply to your melee weapon and crits have a small portion of rending so its still a pretty big net gain

[ancient python]

calling it chems instead of drugs doesn't fool ratings agencies, it's like some comics code/hayes code shit from the 70s and 80s, at this point the name is just around for the aesthetics of it

warhammer is from the 80s, so it's chems instead of drugs

[random shuttle]

HMMMMMM

[ancient python]

honestly it's charming

[steep vale]

Hes a stowaway dw

[calm aurora]

wait, 5?

[rustic zinc]

5th guy is always a traitor. Shoot everyone in your group just to be sure.

[rapid mango]

kerfus crashed and is loading in, it counts the bot

[steep vale]

I had a funny visual bug where everyone was sitting in 1 seat

[rapid mango]

lmfao

[mossy tapir]

As far as I can glean though with the bone saw thats still like an upward of 3 stacks per swing and I mean probably if you invest in a bunch of attack speed you can stack that shit up proper fast but like I just find that if I lean on the needler that doesnt need much I can take more talents that can keep me alive more than anything

[rapid mango]

did you screenshot it?

[steep vale]

Forgor

[rapid mango]

pls tell me you did 😭

NO

😭

[steep vale]

I was streaming it to my friend tho

[high gull]

Wouldn't doubt

[manic wolf]

You're playing the Bone Saw without attack speed?

https://tenor.com/view/brother-brother-eww-muslim-muslim-meme-gif-4323793142491527993

[somber blade]

hes trying to get stoned without drugs

[mossy tapir]

Im playing the needler

[somber blade]

https://tenor.com/view/haram-gif-26607190

[lapis raft]

wait swift endurance is for every current full stamina bar? eww

[mossy tapir]

Give me your stones yummy yummy

[warped grove]

I still can´t believe that Mr. E called the Desperado build underpowered, having basically infinite ammo during desperado and even out of desperado if you manage to kill a special, ontop of that extremely quick fire rate and dps. He is an absoĺute clown of a player

[manic wolf]

There has been some heat between the sloptubers and legitmate source youtubers it would seem

[azure mist]

Honestly in defense of it if they don’t pay attention to the crate that’s their fault you get the cool buffs and they don’t

[warped grove]

I just clutched a game of auric because of Pickpocket, calling it underpowered is an insult

clown fiesta

[near mauve]

The sloptuber situation is crazy

[mossy tapir]

I did not see the light of Pickpocket until I slapped a sniper from across the map and got 20 needles back

[sleek grove]

pickpocket is busted and it should be nerfed (but let's not tell fatshark)

[dim moth]

had a scum player in havoc 40 outdamaging an inferno psyker and complaining the class was weak

[mossy tapir]

Pickpocket is a blessing

[dim moth]

I just don't understand

[tender marten]

Desperado clearly needs to offer at least double its current infinite ammo.

[warped grove]

helldivers type shit

[dim moth]

tbh

[warped grove]

he is weak

if you unbind your dodge button

[dim moth]

I think pickpocket is fine xd

[high gull]

All I'ma say is this

I'm glad the devs don't listen to anyone here

[azure mist]

Veteran mains wishing they had a single crumb of power that talent offers

[high gull]

Cause some of the takes here are...

Fucken whew....

[warped grove]

Desperado now refills your entire reserve, overloads your magazine by quadruple the size and gives you infinite ammo for the rest of the game.

[mossy tapir]

Pickpocket lets you main the needler with its terrible ammo through the whole mission and for that I am eternally greatful

[brittle sierra]

Hello chat

[bronze glade]

needler. bad ammo??

[tender marten]

I actually find Needler has really good ammo econ lol

[mossy tapir]

I mean kinda

[tender marten]

But if you wana blue mode hordes you deffo want pickypocks

[sturdy linden]

The clapback video was top tier lol

[warped grove]

hello dawg

[mossy tapir]

Maybe I just use it into hordes too much yeah lmfao

[manic wolf]

Needler is arguably the most ammo efficient gun int game

[warped grove]

The humble mac-10:

[manic wolf]

Reggie's? Yeah it was lmao

[mossy tapir]

I am just blind firing the blue needles into hordes and praying to the emperor

[manic wolf]

Take Hotshot and shoot at head height into hordes. More cleave, more spread needles into more enemies, more horde wiped

= better ammo economy because you're increasing kills per needle

[high gull]

You don't need to mag dump the entire thing into everything you see.

Like 2 or 3 shots for larger mobs

Human sized mobs die after a single needle shot

[mossy tapir]

Yeah I dont need to but sometimes I want to because the game doesnt punish me for it

[high gull]

[mossy tapir]

Definitely considering it, running run n gun and Stripped Down right now but yeah might try hot shot soon

Stripped Down because dodging ranged fire while sprinting apparently activates Quick and Deadly which increases chem toxin damage and run n gun fire while sprinting

Funny

[bronze glade]

truly a HIV moment

[manic wolf]

Hotshot is one of the very few ways to increase the weapon's total DPS and people have been sleeping on it, its a very strong pick

[azure mist]

https://tenor.com/view/beating-cristi-memri-gif-25663599

[limber cradle]

I can tho

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/dredd-karl-urban-judge-dredd-i-said-hot-shot-gif-4959681

[tender marten]

I tried that. Meh.

I just dump one mag into groups.

[mossy tapir]

Yeah for sure, I mean you can kinda go without it on the mk 2 but like dps is dps

[random shuttle]

As a Despacito player I want, will, should and do shoot up everything that moves when the ult is on.

[limber cradle]

Look man, I'm using this iteration of pickpocket while it lasts lmfao

[mossy tapir]

Take that shit and run with it

[spice cloud]

Guys whats the differencebetween the needler marks?

It looks exactly the same

[mossy tapir]

One just explodes and does a little stagger, other one makes chem tox

[trim wind]

one blue goes kablooey the other blue goes ultra herpes

[spice cloud]

Ahhh

[trim wind]

spreads tox to the other things

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/memri-memri-tv-memri-tv-shoe-arab-memes-muslim-memes-gif-2580751927145705289

[spice cloud]

I never use the blue lol

[mossy tapir]

I think the Mk VI also puts higher stacks on single target headshots and crits

[spice cloud]

Thats prolly why i didnt notice a differemce

[limber cradle]

If the shark didn't want me to shoot everything they wouldn't have given me the ability to

[azure mist]

Shoe mentality

Ever since cyber told me what that means it’s 100x more funnier

[random shuttle]

Word.

[sonic pumice]

Praise the Megalodon, for the gift of dakka

[forest escarp]

desperado should explode any psykers on my team when activated

[limber cradle]

I played 2 havocs last night where I just didn't not have to use melee

[mossy tapir]

Hell so I've heard they nerfed hive scum before day 1 so like pickpocket as far as I can see is absolutely intended

[spice cloud]

Desperado is good dakka

I love the stubs on it

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/memri-memri-tv-memri-tv-memes-muslims-muslim-memes-gif-8735031749069942401

[limber cradle]

Its such an insane talent

[azure mist]

https://tenor.com/view/memri-memri-tv-memri-tv-memes-memri-tv-shoe-shoe-gif-4241915845350486724

[random shuttle]

Stubs-shmubs

[dim moth]

It's nice to have a ranged class with genuinely infinite ammo

[random shuttle]

IAG Vraks

[mossy tapir]

I was gonna say Combat Shotgun with Desperado is an eyebrow raiser

[dim moth]

and scum is so goddamn squishy that they deserve it

[random shuttle]

is where Despacito sings

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-nacho-varga-better-call-saul-season6-dual-wield-mag-dump-gif-25501204

[tardy citrus]

the fentghoul

[random shuttle]

"Hadron, play Despacito"

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/memri-memri-tv-memri-tv-memes-memri-tv-shoe-by-allah-behave-yourself-gif-1411005872272837462

[mossy tapir]

Rack one shell and fire all the time

[compact oyster]

Memri tv is so gold

[sonic pumice]

Feel that stubs are better as side arm, the ammo pool isn't that crazy but they pack a good punch even without buffs

[azure mist]

Gem perhaps

[spice cloud]

They are great with desperado

[random shuttle]

guys guys

guys

[spice cloud]

Super fast reload

[random shuttle]

do you know what's Hive Scum favorite drink?

[trim wind]

stubs are solid, but dual autopistols are definitely stronger

[spice cloud]

Infinite dakka

[limber cradle]

Amasec

[spice cloud]

Stubs are also waaaaay more accurate then the damn uzis

[mossy tapir]

Absinthe but like the kind that makes you hallucinate

[grand jewel]

DORG

[compact oyster]

Low quality gasoline that has perfume sprayed on it to give it the appearance of amasec

[sonic pumice]

How you run them? I know it has better crit values but I haven't thought on building guns fit for that specific build style yet

[mossy tapir]

On that good kush and acahol

[high gull]

@broken bear

[forest escarp]

gas station 'wine' where the abv is listed in a font 30 points larger than the rest of the label

(usually actually tastes good)

[sonic pumice]

You ne no accuracy when you can run to them and shove the Uzis to their faces while pulling trigger

[forest escarp]

fuck now i want gas station wine

[high gull]

Y'all all got it wrong

[compact oyster]

You can find a bottle with this exact description in rogue trader lmao

[mossy tapir]

Lore accurate hive scum player

[trim wind]

im interested to see where the stubs land once the crit bonus is fixed, but autopistols definitely outperform them (stubs still really fun though!)

[forest escarp]

fancy posh wine...

[high gull]

This is every hiver's fave drink

[forest escarp]

straight from the gatorade bottle

[random shuttle]

But Hiver goes really into deep and

and drinks

the elusive FIVE LOKO

[limber cradle]

I want desperado stubs to be better so badly

[compact oyster]

Original recipe too

[spice cloud]

I can send my build in a sec

[mossy tapir]

Thats that shit you be making in the stimm lab

[limber cradle]

I remember drinking one of these on the bus on the way to school tbh

[forest escarp]

four locoke

[sonic pumice]

That doesn't exist, see?
*Show you me hand with 4 fingers raised

No... whatever is after 4

[compact oyster]

Off the geek for the whole day

[mossy tapir]

Fucked up in the crib sippin Dr. Perky

[limber cradle]

Thank god for convenience stores that didn't know wtf carding someone was

[azure mist]

Geeked up playing Xbox all day

[broken bear]

What’s going on

[azure mist]

I mix 3 different types of weeds I call it Osama

[sleek grove]

I don't really get it, why do i get every possible worse desperado scum in havoc but not in normal games?

[mossy tapir]

Because you touch yourself at night idk

[broken bear]

becuz havoc isnt fun

[sonic pumice]

Because the bad ones are to dense to realize they are hot garbo unworthy of Havoc

[grand jewel]

that's good logic

[brittle sierra]

Am I the only person in the server who brings fents to the havoc game?

[sleek grove]

No i mean it's the fourth game in a row where they refuse to spam desperado and kill ranged enemies, i don't get it 😂

[broken bear]

cope ig

[sleek grove]

(4 different ones mind you)

[broken bear]

like you are running pub havoc

what are you expecting

[mossy tapir]

Honestly with like long cooldown abilities I get into my own head about when to use it

[broken bear]

[brittle sierra]

What if I go the tank stimms? 🤔

[limber cradle]

Auric? Too easy to be fun. Havoc? All the joys of a CS ranked game(people are pissing me off playing poorly)

[azure mist]

Cause they’re too afraid to push

[sleek grove]

hey i got no friends, what can i do

[mossy tapir]

Like you dont wanna waste it and be without it

[azure mist]

That and Vet could easily take down a gunner pack at a safer range

[broken bear]

desperado isnt long cooldown what

[spice cloud]

thats my desperado and melee builds

[random shuttle]

That's why real man play Auric Mortussy

where 40 bosses is a thing

Gobless Merica

[broken bear]

maybe 30 seconds of down time max

[mossy tapir]

Well, longer but still

[limber cradle]

I have been lately for penances tbh, it feels like havoc training mode

[grand jewel]

why can't I inject the enemies with my stims

[limber cradle]

Mortis players are super hit or miss tho tbh

[limber cradle]

Buffing the crusher before letting it loose on your psyker

[trim wind]

if desperado is up, you hit it (unless there's literally no enemies to kill

[grand jewel]

please let me buff the plague ogryn with attack speed

[brittle sierra]

Behold my babysitting build : 🍼

[mossy tapir]

Long ass cooldown

[brittle sierra]

Doesn't matter I got sampler

[mossy tapir]

Yeah true

[brittle sierra]

Point is I'm gonna put this down whenever my team tries to face tank 20 reapers

Probably won't work but you gotta try sometimes

[neon fern]

go desperado and facetank them urself

[mossy tapir]

I got a 57 cd stimm with full strength + rending and 3 Barrage nodes

[last marsh]

whose actually using the rawket lawnchair

[brittle sierra]

I have no problem with the reapers

This is the chorus mentality

[grand jewel]

why CDR on stim when running crate?

[brittle sierra]

Gotta predict how dumb your teammates are going to be

[mossy tapir]

For the homies

[last marsh]

for the homies.

[grand jewel]

[brittle sierra]

Because CDR is by far the best stimm upgrade

[broken bear]

my buddy does on a rampage build as anti boss

[grand jewel]

not on crate lol

[brittle sierra]

Giving your vet a 5 second shout is pretty strong

[mossy tapir]

For your homies

[brittle sierra]

Then again they probably won't use it anyways

[grand jewel]

remove the homies

[mossy tapir]

This dude aint got homies

[grand jewel]

too busy not running crate

crate gains homies

[last marsh]

love crate

[brittle sierra]

I get what you are saying, but remember I am building this specifically to spoon feed my teammates

[mossy tapir]

I like crate because it bypasses the stimm needing to not be active to start reducing its cooldown

[last marsh]

what the fuck does hyper-violence even do

[grand jewel]

I wish there was another node that gave the stim back if you got the crate off CD

[obsidian crown]

Why would you take precision violence over vulture’s dodge when you have hyper violence

[mossy tapir]

And since stimm cooldown = ability cooldown it reduces mental load and lets me take other curio nodes like slightly more health or stam regen

[grand jewel]

would be dumb as fuck but give a reason to run CDR on crate

[spice cloud]

I can dodge myself

I dont need that shit

[last marsh]

fair enough have a nice day

[obsidian crown]

Why do you even take precision violence though

[grand jewel]

Killing an enemy with any attack adds a flat damage bonus to subsequent melee attacks for 1s. The flat amount of bonus damage carried over is 25% of the difference between the enemy's health when killed and the attack's damage dealt. The active duration can be refreshed only if the overkill damage amount that is supposed to be carried over to the next melee attack is greater than the overkill damage amount that was carried over on the previous proc.

For example, killing an enemy who has 300 current health with a melee attack that deals 500 damage results in an overkill damage amount of 500-300=200. A quarter of this overkill damage amount is carried over, so the same melee attack would then deal 500+200x0.25=550 damage. Now, for as long as it is possible to accumulate an increasing carry-over amount of overkill damage (e.g. by getting damage buffs, by targeting enemies with low health, by switching from an attack with low base damage to an attack with high base damage, etc), the 1s duration will be refreshed and the next melee attack will be buffed accordingly. When the carry-over amount of overkill damage does not increase between two attacks, the 1s duration will not be refreshed and the buff effect will reset.

[spice cloud]

Why not?

[grand jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1403538736054276219/1446582967685218447/attachment.gif

[spice cloud]

Its good

[mossy tapir]

Toughness regen is a lot

[compact oyster]

tldr

[obsidian crown]

It’s bugged with hyper crit*

[last marsh]

mucho texto. (thanks that helps a lot)

[dim moth]

overkill enemy to gain more damage to overkill the next enemy and keep going until you eventually inevitably run out of things to unceremoniously one shot infront of you

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-paw-annoyed-hiss-gif-16279788301067456967

[grand jewel]

wondering if I should take it even with just shivs/rampage

[obsidian crown]

Hyper crit makes precision violence not even proc

[limber cradle]

Isnt that a bug?

Also I will say

[obsidian crown]

That’s what I’m saying

[last marsh]

game needs a cooler way to get curios

[limber cradle]

Hypercrit is working with precision violence for me sometimes

[obsidian crown]

When you proc hyper crit, it bugs it the rest of the game

[mossy tapir]

Can I just upgrade the ilvl of curios please

[grand jewel]

why in the god emperor's fuck can you not gamble them like everything else at brunts

[spice cloud]

With the shivs u constantly proc it when using ur ability

[grand jewel]

dumbest fucking thing

[spice cloud]

U have insane att speed

[limber cradle]

Idk man, cause I still get toughness back from melee and I run HC shivs

[mossy tapir]

Just let me add 10 ilvl to my fake ass +3 stamina curio

[manic wolf]

After spending time with both, I dont feel like there is much difference really in the grand scheme of things. Autos are better at general lawn mowing and Stubs are better at killing elites/specials, but they really are like interchangeable, you can top the damage board with either or

[neon fern]

u inherently get some back on kill

[obsidian crown]

Kills bro

[neon fern]

that's probably what is giving u back some tuff

[grand jewel]

gives 5% base

[limber cradle]

Im aware

Im getting it back when I pummel a crusher

[neon fern]

he nose

[obsidian crown]

There’s literally entire videos explaining how it’s bugged

[spice cloud]

I just take evey tghns dr node i can get with scum no matter my build

[neon fern]

toughness is a noovtrap

[brittle sierra]

Everyone wants toughness

But what about softness? 😔

[neon fern]

just dodge

[spice cloud]

Tell that to the 500 gunners shooting me

[candid flint]

bleed + toxin shiv is funny. i just wish scoreboard would properly display toxin dmg dot.

[trim wind]

I find autos have much higher desperado uptime and end up outdoing stubs, again stubs are quite good just not as good, whenever the crit bonus gets fixed it may shift a bit

[mossy tapir]

3x 20% gunners resist my beloved

[obsidian crown]

That’s what you said when I told you to take vulture’s dodge. “I can just dodge”. Ironic

[neon fern]

autos perform bttr 100%

[brittle sierra]

Fun fact did you know that it isn't actually 60% 😈

[grand jewel]

that name is fantastic

[spice cloud]

I dont need to dodge every shot with tis but a scratch

[limber cradle]

Autos are also like 300 percent easier to use

[mossy tapir]

Diminishing returns my beloathed

[glad stone]

so the uzi dont hae a reload speed perk?

[spice cloud]

Its good to get hit a little kust to proc it

[neon fern]

they have speedload

[last marsh]

whats a hive scum without a few bullet holes

[brittle sierra]

Still you should take it

[neon fern]

u can get it on uzis

[obsidian crown]

You can literally stand out in the open vs 100 gunners and not die with vulture’s dodge

[limber cradle]

What curio minor perks are you guys even running?

[mossy tapir]

Yeah 100% I dont leave the house without it

[spice cloud]

I can do so anyway with desperado

[mossy tapir]

Too many shooters out here

[limber cradle]

I went standard toughness revive speed gunner resist

[obsidian crown]

Downtime exists.

[neon fern]

that's good

[spice cloud]

Stim exists with cdr

[brittle sierra]

See why I am coping?

[neon fern]

i have uh

[mossy tapir]

I do toughness, gunners resist, and then 2x health 1x stamina regen

[last marsh]

im a dummy and i like sprint efficiency.

its fun with stripped down

[obsidian crown]

You still have downtime . What?

[neon fern]

stam regen hehehi

[limber cradle]

Impossible to go wrong with those three ime

[neon fern]

because i'm insane

[mossy tapir]

2 toughness relics, 1 health relic

[candid flint]

ty homie i am proud of it

[spice cloud]

Oh no 10 secs no ult what shall i do?

[limber cradle]

I debated stam regen just to boost the already insane numbers scum has for it

[mossy tapir]

I swear by that health relic it does so much for the mental

[neon fern]

i have 1

[brittle sierra]

TANK

[mossy tapir]

Barrage line my beloved

[limber cradle]

Tbh I never actually sprint for that long

I slide everywhere

[manic wolf]

Thats the one node I absolutely refuse to touch on Scum I'll mess with the stuff that gimps my gameplay, such as Hypercrit', but I aint touching Vulture's Dodge (which shall henceforth be abbreviated to; VD)

[last marsh]

i enjoy run n gun

so i sprint shoot all the time

[mossy tapir]

Even just the -12% dr from 3 nodes is way worth it to me

[grand jewel]

just realized, broker stimm, class leaked as broker ages ago

[spice cloud]

Run and gun and sticky fingers really transforms the stub pistols

[mossy tapir]

60% toughness regeneration isn't bad either as long as you stand next to homies

[limber cradle]

The just dont feel good on desp ime

Which sucks cause theyre easily my favorite scum gun

[mossy tapir]

You aint wasting curio slots on it

[manic wolf]

I prefer them in Desperado tbh

[spice cloud]

Same

[limber cradle]

Idk, macs in desp are so insane

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/a10-kill-it-brrrt-gif-13624632

[spice cloud]

Idk they dont do it for me

[toxic dagger]

oh funny

[limber cradle]

They lack style

[toxic dagger]

internal name that they forgot to turn into something playerfacing

[limber cradle]

The .45s have a lot of style

[spice cloud]

Yeah thats prolly it

[mossy tapir]

Combat Shotgun

[spice cloud]

With the stubs i feel like in the fckn matrix

[manic wolf]

Stubs feel better to play, an though you might be sacrificing some uptime, you do kill elites and specials faster and its not like running out of ammo is a real concern with Pickpocket

[spice cloud]

Pickpocket is essentially infinite ammo

[mossy tapir]

Just dont miss below 20% ammo 4head

Or melee someone

[grand jewel]

probably just preference at the end of the day, I don't struggle to kill anything other than a crusher or bulwark if my blackouts are out

[spice cloud]

You can just magdump the entire time and still not run put without a single ammo pickup

[grand jewel]

even bosses the SMGs shred

[spice cloud]

Autos are better for bosses i guess yeah

[neon fern]

stubs are v good with despe but autos are just better at everything

[spice cloud]

But the needler is insane for bosses imo

[trim wind]

it's not an ammo thing or anything, stubs are good! just autos currently output more dmg

[spice cloud]

Like wtf

[high gull]

Full team defense stimm build?

[trim wind]

both good just one is a step above

[tardy citrus]

what kinds of blessings go well with the needle pistol so far chat?

[grand jewel]

yeah it is

but worse overall on Desp than both stubs and autos

[brittle sierra]

I know it's cope but I am wondering if I can actually increase the speed of my pub games with it

[neon fern]

remember that despe autos can out dmg purg psyker

[spice cloud]

Its just stupid how easily the needler kills every boss

[mossy tapir]

Run n Gun gives chem tox damage, hot shot is nice for cleave, stripped down for safety

[dim moth]

I think any scum build can out damage purg psyker tbh

[grand jewel]

honestly pretty bad on desp because toxin doesn't proc the marked kills IIRC

lol

[spice cloud]

Needler on desp is ass imo

Not enough mag size

And too slow ttk

[manic wolf]

Idk, I think it literally is an ammo thing, because autos have more bullets, you can hit more things before reloading/hit longer before reloading, so the net DPS at the end of a mission is going to be higher as you're killing more trash per mag, but TKK on run ending threats I find isnt really much different between the two pistols and in some cases, I would put Stub ahead

[tardy citrus]

🫡

[dim moth]

tox build has basically the same infinite cleave DoT build niche

but it can kill carapace and bosses

which purg struggles to do

[grand jewel]

yeah really good on melee but doesn't mesh with desp well

[high gull]

I mean the VoC vet or Chastise zealot will love you for sure

[neon fern]

purg will still output more dmg

[dim moth]

and that's the weakest scum build

[steep vale]

I love my little tweaker

[dim moth]

melee is going to abuse infinite stacking hyper violence and one shot everything that gets within melee range

gun scum shoot forever

[spice cloud]

Good question

[spice cloud]

Melee is super strong imo

Prolly strongest

[tardy citrus]

TWEAKERS UNITE!

[mossy tapir]

I do like swinging a crowbar at Mach fuck at people

[spice cloud]

The way ypu just cleave thru entire hordes with the dual knifes is nuts

And the attack speed is crazy too

[thick hornet]

How do you do the Enhanced penance quickly?

[spice cloud]

And of course chem nade wich is completely and utterly broken

[grand jewel]

doing the objective it wants you to do for the penance

[manic wolf]

Try a Tacaxe lmao, its actually absurd with Hyperviolence due to an already fast swing speed

[grand jewel]

Immolation grenade wishes

[thick hornet]

I know but it seems to be doing it awfully slow despite having a full Toughness chem

[manic wolf]

Even the Chainsword puts in some serious work

[spice cloud]

I might actually finally play tac axe because of hive scum

[mossy tapir]

I like crowbar because my soul yearns for a maul

[grand jewel]

I was joking, what is the requirement for it?

[manic wolf]

Its very fuckin good, try Chainsword also, both absolutely mulch stuff

[mossy tapir]

I am normal and can be trusted with a Crusher

[grand jewel]

also toughness stimm will only generate more toughness from the passive generated toughness while nearby allies, the coherency regen shit

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/gardening-springtime-dig-soil-gif-10395281785354426679

[thick hornet]

"Replenish 2600% total Toughness with at least 50% Viscosity allocated in the Cartel Special"

[grand jewel]

🫃

in one game?

[dim moth]

yeah because it's fucking coherency toughness regen lmao

[spice cloud]

Its not just one game tho

[mossy tapir]

Its better than nothing tbh, considering you have homies to stand by, your options for getting toughness back out of combat are not a whole damn lot

[thick hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[manic wolf]

I guess you could "Speedrun" it with toughness regen speed on curios, but I use the term very loosely

[thick hornet]

You must be joking

[grand jewel]

imagine how juicer tanky everyone would be for that duration if the effect was all toughness

[toxic dagger]

nope, it says "toughness regeneration" and that's exactly what it is.

coherency regen.

[mossy tapir]

Yeah Im not saying it cant be improved but still lmao

[thick hornet]

It says Replenish 26000% total Toughness
I wouldn't think it means soley toughness regeneration from Coherency

I replenish Toughness via talents

[mossy tapir]

Im so mad that the stimm cooldown doesnt start until after its over too

[toxic dagger]

replenish that much toughness with your cartel special

[tender marten]

i replenish that much toughness by murder

[mossy tapir]

I wanted to have a 20 second cd stimm and chug it every 20 seconds to become a dollar store ogryn

[toxic dagger]

and the cartel special buffs your coherency regen

and nothing else

it is bad.

[thick hornet]

That's incredibly lame

[manic wolf]

That is fine, but Chem Dependancy stacks immediately starting to drop off whilst stim is still active... not so fine

[thick hornet]

That explains why I noticed no difference when using it

[mossy tapir]

Yeah you really have to shorten your stimm to be able to maintain those stacks

[manic wolf]

Yup

[mossy tapir]

Like 4 down a single line at most

For maxed out chems

[trim wind]

I don't stop firing with either weapon

[thick hornet]

I feel like it should be changed or buffed if its JUST regen

[manic wolf]

Which is a fair tradeoff in theory, but in practice it gives you tiny windows to juice up your next dose

[mossy tapir]

Everyone forgets about the damage resistance

[dim moth]

you know one thing I'm kinda worried about if stimm supply starts proccing chem dependency

[mossy tapir]

It'll save you someday

[dim moth]

if it starts counting as actually having your stimm active

since stimm supply isn't "using your stimm" it starts coming off cooldown immediately

which shaves 15 seconds off the cooldown from using it via box instead

[toxic dagger]

yes absolutely

[thick hornet]

The custom chems are both more and less than I expected

[manic wolf]

I dont know that its a bad thing, it would lean into the subclass identity far more than it currently does

[grand jewel]

I wish they spiked a little higher than the specific stimms in game, like if you go full into rending/power you're still just behind a red stimm

[mossy tapir]

Longer Stimm effectively eating into your chem dependency duration drives me up the fucking wall

[thick hornet]

For some reason I expected basically talents within them that are like
Extreme Toxicity - Take more damage but deal more damage
Life's Too Slow - Gain an incredible amount of movement speed but slower stamina regenation

I like the custom stims just expected more than stat buffs
They are good stat buffs but I was expecting more wacky and tradeoffs beyond CD

[mossy tapir]

I never used like any combat stimms before hive scum because I was always afraid to waste the one time use

Having a cooldown but infinite stimm feels nice

[thick hornet]

I like the combat stims

Sucks I have to choose between them and what's special to the class, because I just want to use stims on others
But no one picks them up or uses them. REJECT. I JUST WANT YOU TO HEAL YOURSELF WITH A MED STIM

I don't care for using them, I just want to be able to use them for my team since they keep forgetting about them

[mossy tapir]

dude please let me just eat the med stimm off the floor

I promise I can hold 2 stimms at a time I have 2 hands

[thick hornet]

I will be willing to spend a perk to be able to carry normal stims but can't use them on myself

[terse creek]

That’s why we have 3 other teammates my guy, they could pick it up

[grand jewel]

be interesting if there was breakpoints in viscosity that increased the potency of the effects taken in exchange for the longer cooldown, or since viscosity being higher is actually bad, maybe some way of it benefitting you with their values if you don't take 2 trees?

[compact oyster]

I fucking hate dogs

[mossy tapir]

Yeah true

[compact oyster]

Is it this hard to create a functioning game

[terse creek]

lol, what?

[thick hornet]

Yeah I expected more to the whole system beyond how long the CD is

[compact oyster]

Hounds are broken right now

[mossy tapir]

Press the space bar

[terse creek]

How exactly?

[compact oyster]

And will severely ruin your day

Instant pounces and audio issues

[terse creek]

Ah, you must be new here

[mossy tapir]

I wont even lie there are definitely some audio issues going on

[grand jewel]

yeah dogs have been cleanly missing me by a long ass shot, or shit like I dodge twice and still get hit by them, I watch them fly by as im 90 degrees to their side and I get grabbed anyway

fuck dogs

got mutant hitboxes now

🫃

[compact oyster]

Sureeeeeee

[rain tinsel]

I've been getting ninja poxbursters. I don't hear them coming up behind me, just the sound of when they leap at me to blow up.

[terse creek]

I haven’t had any dogs ruin my games tbh

[craggy sandal]

I'm glad I checked here because I have been going through hell with the Dogs and Bursters

[mossy tapir]

Last night me and a homie new to the game were doing heresy karnak twins and like during the chem tox phase I got jumpscared by a mutant out of the tox gas, thrown directly into a poxburster that exploded and sent me halfway across the arena to just take all the chem tox damage in the world

[craggy sandal]

Was wondering if I was just having serious skill issue after returning from a long break

[grand jewel]

I honestly think its something to do with how mobile scum is somehow, ironically

[terse creek]

I mean, you could very much be

[grand jewel]

I took off nimble and have been having less issues with random shit hitting me when it shouldn't

[manic wolf]

Had a god-tier clutch ruined last night by a no-warning dog ¬.¬ I was pissed

[blissful gull]

am I crazy or is the enhanced penance broken?

[rain tinsel]

It's the spaghetti code having expired Ragu issues.

[terse creek]

Been there, kinda sucks when it happens but eh, can’t do much bout it but be angry, haha

[craggy sandal]

I think it could be related to the Hive Scum ability that drops threat? Causing instant retargets

[grand jewel]

no

[tender ginkgo]

Dogs be hitting different for me lately

[compact oyster]

If multiple people alongside testers are having issues there is def something brolen

[obsidian crown]

I did notice that as well myself

[mossy tapir]

Dogs i have no problem with but I am afflicted with poxbursters

[echo plaza]

dogs are definitely faster rn

[mossy tapir]

No matter how far I dodge and push them away they just explode on me

[tender ginkgo]

i love pushing poxbursters only for them to get back up
Honestly i just started shooting them since infinite ammo anyway

[grand jewel]

could be something like your hitboxes don't move with your character, so them missing you is hitting your hitbox that just hasn't updated

servers can't keep up with scum

[obsidian crown]

Or some kind of endlag or something

[grand jewel]

yeah

maybe even

desync

[rain tinsel]

That would normally be linked to server tickrate

[obsidian crown]

[grand jewel]

I had to

[obsidian crown]

I tried it on a rampage build, was getting hit by attacks I know I dodged, was getting obliterated

[grand jewel]

Indeed, but just thinking of shit in game as to why the thing that should make you much harder to hit and keep up with, is getting people hurt more often

[obsidian crown]

Then I took off nimble and took almost no damage

So I was like yeah ok, fuck nimble

[grand jewel]

pretty much my experience, game feels back to normal

[dense hollow]

its such a nothing node honestly

wasting a point i could put anywhere else

[grand jewel]

thought i was losing my mind, just eating shit to heresy level low amount of enemies after coming out of last patch doing only havoc 40s

[craggy sandal]

Last night was fighting a Captain during a shrine, he was facing away from me towards a teammate and his plasma shot went backwards through him and hit me cuz I didn't think I needed to dodge

[grand jewel]

made no sense lmao

[craggy sandal]

[obsidian crown]

It doesn’t do what it says it does is the issue

[rain tinsel]

If you are finding that Nimble seems to be causing a specific issue, then something about how it is coded might be the problem.

[bronze glade]

nimble is good

i have had 0 issues with it

[grand jewel]

good for you

[mossy tapir]

Nimble nice for pathing

[brittle sierra]

best cleaver blessings?

[dense hollow]

if it did what it said i still wouldnt use it because i don't wanna get used to the dodges of one class to go back to a class with different windows

[grand jewel]

let that be like that for everyone else at some point lol

[bronze glade]

thanks

[dense hollow]

i switch between what i wanna play very often

[craggy sandal]

I keep hearing mixed things for nimble. Some say it's bugged, others say not

[dense hollow]

so i think itd just throw me off

[bronze glade]

it's not bugged

[mossy tapir]

Cleave and enemy hit mass ones are the one I use

[grand jewel]

cuz nimble WORKING is a fucking amazing node

[bronze glade]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hive-scums-nimble-talent-reduces-dodge-time/115867/9

[obsidian crown]

I generally don’t have issues adjusting playstyles when swapping but that’s just me. I understand some folks are diff

[mossy tapir]

More cleave = more targets = more chem tox

[brittle sierra]

ok but what about the damage?

[dense hollow]

i don't have issues adjusting playstyles but since dodges are a fundamental of the game i feel its different here

[random shuttle]

The damage is stored in the nuts

[obsidian crown]

At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. Because it doesn’t work the way it should

Actually makes normal dodge worse in my opinion when you take nimble.

[dense hollow]

truth..but i will say between taking nimble or melee "immunity" on slide i'll always take the slide node to path down

[dim moth]

it's still an amazing node as is tbh

[mossy tapir]

You could take Shred for crit chance then I forgot whats better between Decimator and Relentless Strikes for damage over the Cleave blessing

[dim moth]

I am 100% okay with losing a bit of dodge linger into ranged enemies to get 10 mile long dodges

[obsidian crown]

Yeah I do like the slide immunity which is what I run on desperado

[scenic ravine]

On chem build better is using crit shives on right keystone or just bonesaw with middle keystone?

[mossy tapir]

But the enemy hit mass one is too good to pass up if you can get kills with the melee

[dim moth]

I use crit shivs with middle keystone

[nocturne anvil]

Hey chat
I'm about to make a combat knife for a desperado build but want to have 80 mobility and don't know which stat would be best to dump. Anyone know?

[slender plinth]

do instant toughness regen thingies like Chem Fortified node, Barrage IV, and Regain work on Stim Supply crate?

[mossy tapir]

I use bone saw with stimm supply because The Homies

[slender plinth]

like when i throw it out will it give me and allies instant toughness

[random shuttle]

Finally

Time to watch all Sharpe movies

as a man of culture

and sublime tastes

[mossy tapir]

Chem Dependency does not work with stimm supply I fear

But otherwise Barrage nodes do work but regen toughness once per supply

[dense hollow]

yes but if you're gonna buff your teammates you may aswell give them lingering rending buffs and attack speed/cdr or smth

instead of putting any points in the toughness ones

[slender plinth]

makes sense
isn't the dr a decent lingering buff?

[mossy tapir]

People be sleeping on the damage resist

[slender plinth]

since iirc you get some of that + instant toughness
but i guess since it isn't gold toughness it's not worth as much

[mossy tapir]

Get all the damage in the world but one fart and you're gone

[slender plinth]

real
is a squishy class, needs all the res it can get

[sleek grove]

you don't with the box

[grand jewel]

yesn't

[amber sundial]

imagine they rework the toughness stim to non regenerating overtoughness if youre at max

[slender plinth]

you don't get the DR? Only the toughness regen and instant toughness?

[granite verge]

5% streaming toughness to keep you at cap, and therefore taking free hits at zero HP expense from Adrenaline Frenzy is arguably far more optimal than buying into DR with the miniscule HP pool the class currently has in Havoc 40.

[mossy tapir]

You dont get the insta toughness from chem dependency node because it doesnt work with stimm supply straight out i think

[slender plinth]

ye the node i get, i'm now talking about the uhh

stimm lab stuff

[dim moth]

yeah honestly tempted to drop a damage reduction node for it

[slender plinth]

Barrage IV and Regain

that also gives you DR

[dim moth]

I don't have a problem with taking too much damage I have a problem with my toughness not coming back fast enough

[slender plinth]

you get 4 percent per Barrage node

[dim moth]

if I don't have poxboys in immediate stabbing range

[granite verge]

That subnode alone will keep me from ever running chem dependency on a melee setup.

[livid raven]

you know, the needler is good

but it could be better

[azure mist]

It’s mainly because of the investment cost

[slender plinth]

needler is probably getting nerfed
That or pickpocket

[granite verge]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[azure mist]

Too much vs the others

[supple trellis]

Hmmm i only ran auric so far, but damage resistence nodes seems a waste? more toughness regen from more sources seems better as you are trying to keep yourself topped off

[mossy tapir]

I dont even take a keystone on my Chem tox build because I like having more consistent toughness regen/damage reduction nodes than something I need to stack first in order to benefit. I lean on the needle gun a lot more than the average scum though so I mean its shrugs

[dim moth]

middle keystone is a lot of damage/attack speed for basically free

since you're stabbing shit anyways on a tox build

[slender plinth]

hm
I suppose?
each tree is equal cost and i feel like instant toughness and DR for the team is fairly worth

[manic kernel]

highly doubt it right now, Hive Scum isn't like arbites on launch.

[granite verge]

Let's not jump to nerfing conclusions a week following class launch. The devs are about to go on extended break, and frankly the bugged talents need to be resolved before a fair evaluation of nerfs should be identified.

[dim moth]

tbf arbites on launch was overpowered because of bugs

[grand jewel]

just because its harder to play doesn't mean there isn't things you can adjust

[dim moth]

they haven't actually seen that many direct nerfs

[mossy tapir]

I be shooting my needler a lot more than using my bone saw ngl

[sleek grove]

No sorry, you don't get the 50% toughness from the chem dependency

[azure mist]

You need to spread the holy word of Dual Stub Pistols

[slender plinth]

oh absolutely, they should have a break they've earned it
I don't necessarily think it'll happen soon but i do feel like needle + pickpocket way overperforms

[dim moth]

I don't think needle overperforms overall on the class

[slender plinth]

😭 i know i'm talking about the 25 + 25 from Barrage IV and Regain

[dim moth]

It not being an immediate kill is a pretty sever downside

[supple trellis]

from my short play of HS this weekend, i feel like hive scum is slightly below par with the rest of the mates. They have awesome ranged weapons, tho there is ammo concerns for the more liberal, and their melee could use a bit more buff...i think

[slender plinth]

hmmmm
Yeah as I've played with it i've seen that cause problems more

[mossy tapir]

Yeah needler chem tox kills not being instant is a downside

[granite verge]

They are just a solid pick if you aren't going Needle Pistol. The breakpoints for Stubs are still great in Havoc and they are extremely ammo efficient.

[slender plinth]

so i can see that

[sleek grove]

oh those you get

[slender plinth]

sometimes i miss and hit the wrong enemy and don't realize it since the impact isn't instant

which can delay a special/elite kill by al ot

[dim moth]

I have frequently had instances of shooting a reaper who will not stop fucking shooting at me when I'm out of position

and like

[slender plinth]

nice, thank you :D

[dim moth]

any other gun would stagger, suppress, or just kill him

[mossy tapir]

I mean sure you can kill from across a whole sightline but still it gives enemies a window to still crush you and your homies if not careful

[sleek grove]

ammo concern? HUH?

[dim moth]

but nah the tox has to slowly tick away

and then I die

[supple trellis]

hahaha, the infinite ammo aside, beyond it sometimes ye just run out of ammo

[azure mist]

Thinking about how you styled on me when I was trying to snipe that sniper and you fucking sniped it with the akimbo stub pistol

[mossy tapir]

Just put an extra needle into things though its allowed

[slender plinth]

tbf with pickpocket you can dump 5 needles in that reaper
i feel like most guns struggle to hit 1k dps

[granite verge]

Are you not running Stripped Down on the Needle Pistol? That's a good play into the lack of stagger on the weapon to counter Reapers locking you down until toughness break.

[manic kernel]

Currently i think hive scum is more on the side of being underpowered rather then overpowered.

[limber cradle]

You don't have pickpocket yet do you

[sonic pumice]

I'm more interested on Stim and the blessings on the pistol, how you run those?

[dim moth]

pffsh ammo concerns get a load of this guy

[mossy tapir]

Fatshart even tells you to do that to kill things slightly faster

[sleek grove]

you really never do, you just need to perma spam desperado, and not keep it up

[supple trellis]

yea i have that, but it still doesnt keep up with the amount of shite on auric already, at least thats what i've seen sometimes

[dim moth]

I think I have ran out of ammo twice on this class

[dense hollow]

you have so many elites on aurics

how do you run out of ammo

[sleek grove]

then you need to spam desperado more

[terse creek]

There’s your problem, you aren’t playing havoc

[dim moth]

and then the solution to being out of ammo was to wait like 10 seconds for desperado to come off cooldown so I can go gun down the nearest elite pack

[terse creek]

I’ve never ran out of ammo with scum, it’s dumb

[slender plinth]

Havoc kept refusing to unlock for me for months, I never played it because it isn't playable lamayo

[supple trellis]

i done desperado chem dependency with a low CD stim, and sometimes I still run out of ammo lol

[sonic pumice]

Even gun only on Aurics its REALLY hard to run out of ammo

[granite verge]

I think this varies on the player. High skill individuals are able to take the damage of this class and overcome the lack of forgiving survivability options to allow Hive Scum to at least match the other classes consistently.

Literally just bringing Chem Grenade alone and contributing nothing else in Havoc is a gamechanger.

[dim moth]

but I do vastly prefer stimm supply tox melee build over rampage/desperado builds

[slender plinth]

i have 300 hours on the game and never unlocked the thing despite doing so many auric maelstroms