hivescum-class

[coral mirage]

Counter point

[lost bear]

As a take all comers weapon

[coral mirage]

Smmaul cool as fuuuck

[mighty belfry]

Arby maul is still an amazing weapon regardless for the fact that it just handles anything relatively well.

[sinful matrix]

I only use shield maul on arbite lmao

[next cedar]

but overall

[sinful matrix]

(i also use the slowest possible weapons on every class to make them feel more like ogryn because that's movement I understand)

[next cedar]

its not as powerful as chem is the mark 4

[novel quest]

heavy > special

[lost bear]

The moveset is also very accessible but I see mfs just spam lights a lot

[sinful matrix]

this flying around the map with knives and shit is not for me

[charred bronze]

it's very good tbh, I wish I had something that handled armor as reliably and safely on my zealot, that was as good at everything else

[novel quest]

arbi is more to stunlock carapace than it is to outright destroy them

[mighty belfry]

Like it's not bad at all for what it is. But it's not meant to be really high damage. And that's a good thing because making a shield weapon also very high damage would just be a must pick at all times.

[next cedar]

you can outrace the map as hc now

as long as no defense ojbectives

[novel quest]

yes, arbi can do it, but it's easier to hold them down than it is to kill em yourself

[lost bear]

Arby doesn't kill Carapace super fast but the Carapace won't be doing anything in the meantime

[novel quest]

yeah

[next cedar]

im liking auto pistols on desp build

[charred bronze]

I liked heavy > light > heavy overheads because it's fast and safe. No animations or jank.

It's annoying as fuck to get the correct attacks out on armor using the relic blade

[next cedar]

with knives

bonesaw for ramp and support

and supprt gets needle gun

[mighty belfry]

Like before the hp changes, arguably, they could tear carapace apart because they just didn't have a lot of health for the Carapace ADM to do much

Nowadays though, completely different story

[charred bronze]

note that I don't play havoc for lack of a full team, so I'm only talking aurics. Maybe it changes there

[lost bear]

It has respectable Cara damage on a fair few builds, but the shmaul is not one of them lmao

[novel quest]

arbi maul my one true love

[charred bronze]

oh, true. This was pre crusher buff

[next cedar]

thats not the point of arby

[novel quest]

I LOVE ARBI SHOCK MAUL

[lost bear]

Shmaul is fun but hot steaming ass against Cara

[mighty belfry]

Rending tac axe, my beloved

[next cedar]

i dont use combat or tact axe

i only use chain axe

[lost bear]

The OG shmaul not the arby hitachi

[mighty belfry]

It would be nice, IF ARBITRATOR HAD THE CHAIN AXE

[next cedar]

lol

[novel quest]

I think once I have a fully realized hive scum build I'm gonna move onto leveling ogryn

[mighty belfry]

WHY DOES IT HAVE THE CHAINSWORD AND NOT CHAIN AXE BUT HAS THE COMBAT AND TAC AXE

[next cedar]

chain axe with double barrel is fun

[mighty belfry]

FATSHARK, MAKE IT MAKE SENSE, PLEASE

[next cedar]

it might happen

given

[charred bronze]

tac axe seems like it has a lot of potential in scum hands

[next cedar]

they gave vet and zel duelin sword

[lost bear]

I found tac axe to be middling against Cara how do you build yours

[mighty belfry]

Rampage tac axe goes absolutely bonkers

[charred bronze]

just based on screwing around in psychanium. Needs buffs rolling, but once you have 'em... jfc

[next cedar]

i use rampage and go brittle tox to fight crusher

[mighty belfry]

I actually run shred + headtaker instead of bromentum + headtaker

[charred bronze]

mk 7 was ripping things to shred and I never had to stop moving

[next cedar]

each hit the team does more dmg to them

it has a limit cap but very easy to apply

[mighty belfry]

Crits make a huge difference in carapace/unyielding dps

[lost bear]

And cleave boost to compensate against trash?

[sinful matrix]

I forgot I had this brauto skin

[mighty belfry]

Yep

[sinful matrix]

That doesn't belong on a hive scum

[charred bronze]

I think i'd want to try finesse stim. The crits were 1.5k+

[next cedar]

i really like the blademaster garb and thief harness

[coral mirage]

There’s a skin there?

[lost bear]

Mk 4 or 7 lol, I know the 4 does better against Cara but hate the moveset

[coral mirage]

Oh

[next cedar]

yes on the gun

[mighty belfry]

Mk4 😎

[coral mirage]

I mean it’s alriiighhhhtt

[next cedar]

i like the cavarly skin for ds

doesnt mean i use it often

[mighty belfry]

I'm one of the few mk4 copium huffers

[lost bear]

The uppercut heavy on the mk4 taxe seems to clip a lot of shit before the head

And that's the money for the Carapace ADM

[mighty belfry]

Just gotta angle it a little higher than you'd think

It also helpos

To max out height

[lost bear]

Yeah I do that by default now

[next cedar]

i like the mark 4 on zealot for non auric

[lost bear]

Had a heated exchange with someone where they were super confused about their experience with the combat axes

They were playing a ratling

[mighty belfry]

my first h40 win was a mk4 martyr chorus zealot build lol

[next cedar]

i use chaxe and double barrel almost 100% of the time i use zealot on auric or higher

[coral mirage]

The day I realise how good bolt pistol was on zealot it’s never left

FOR ME

[charred bronze]

bromentum compensates for lack of cleave, yeah?

[mighty belfry]

Yeah.

[spark gyro]

Ayo, remember when rashad had completely fucked up attacks and kept targeting the body?

[charred bronze]

seems like shred is a risk on taxe

[next cedar]

chaxe is nice

vs cara and monster

[charred bronze]

even with the 50% cleave talent

[pale scaffold]

defense or mob dump on crowbar?

[mighty belfry]

I mean I'd prefer bromentum on hive scum because hive scum can actually reliably crit often

[lost bear]

It's a trade-off I'd be a lot comfier with on Arby than Scum

[next cedar]

defence effects dodge slightly

but is preferable

[mighty belfry]

And because you have bromentum, you also don't need any of the cleave talents.

So that's points you can put elsewhere.

[next cedar]

also

[sinful matrix]

I remember when every ogryn weapon did that because they had body priority, not head priority

[next cedar]

the crowbar has its own mini thrust built into it

[charred bronze]

what taxe perks are you using? Cara seems necessary, not sure if unyielding is the play.

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-coal-its-peak-its-mid-gif-12295099395828911145

[mighty belfry]

For hive scum, cara + unarmored

[lost bear]

And tinyangrycrab was all "ayo I'll make it work anyway"

[next cedar]

well id call psyker

a battlemage

[coral mirage]

Psyker is banned topic in this chat

[mighty belfry]

Because you want to hit the scab bruiser breakpoint and also do a bunch of overkill for hyper-violence

[ripe seal]

I thought pickpocket was redundant with the amount of free ammo desperado gave you, i've never been so fucking wrong

[charred bronze]

unarmored? Why unarmored?

[sinful matrix]

and it was him aiming like 5 head heights above enemies

[coral mirage]

I refuse to let you mfs reference that abomination

[mighty belfry]

because why would you not use hyperviolence on bromentum tac axe

[next cedar]

typical mage associated with magic channeling swords

well realstically

anyone not a blank in 40k

[lost bear]

Yeep the clips are still around somewhere heh

[next cedar]

has a connection the psychic stuff

lol

[charred bronze]

finesse stim or crit, you think?

[next cedar]

that is for you btw insane

so therefore

[mighty belfry]

I've used it with crit stim. Not finesse stim.

[lost bear]

Combat axe with Hypercritical and Hyperviolence is some fuckass nonsense but Hypercritical currently breaks your toughness regen node for the whole game, and kill procs have never returned toughness

[next cedar]

all the classes in the game have access to psyker stuff

[mint fable]

Yeah, I cant do this chemical dependency penance

[next cedar]

just not all of em can use it the way people like malcador could for example

which one

[ripe seal]

dependency felt alot better with only a half upgraded stim but its still feels so weird

[charred bronze]

I'm very much looking forward to that fix

[mighty belfry]

that being said, finesse stim should be a good choice since it buffs weakspot damage

[next cedar]

i did the depencdy stuff

[mighty belfry]

i just like the crit sounds

[next cedar]

with a low cd focus on the right skill blitz

[lost bear]

Honestly some of the best powers are cantrip tier/low level powers

[mighty belfry]

it makes the dopamine become, the big dopamine

[next cedar]

pop the stim

then the kit

and the stimm giving me cd with the perk for when stimm is up so is crate

to trigger another 15 secons

after stepping off

lol

[lost bear]

Hmm

1 scum with max attack speed stim

3 marty zealots

[mighty belfry]

I'm also very surprised at the amount of hive scum I'm noticing that don't use the stagger subnode with rampage

[lost bear]

With tac axes

[mint fable]

Have only a 15 second window to pop the next stimm

[charred bronze]

any attack combos I should know about?

[ripe seal]

its odd that you can refresh your stim faster by using a crate than by using hte stim normally since your get the stim effect but can decrease the cooldown right away with sample collector, it can sorta work out fine where you can maintain your stacks if you're able to cool down the normal stim

[mint fable]

Before the stack is gone

[coral mirage]

Played this game for 2k hours never and have never used a tac axe

[next cedar]

being a blank is safe given before it was hunted to extinction a type of basically xenobug that can come from the warp anyone non blank has a psychic connection to the warp and these things use their psyker powers to lay eggs in your mind which actually hatch killing the person and giving them food

[coral mirage]

@rose flax why are you the server bro

What powers do you have

[ripe seal]

from the shout? its cool but I feel like I'm a bit too point hungry for that

[next cedar]

and thats a normal thing in 40k

[mighty belfry]

For mk7, you wanna use push attack heavy for horde clear and for single target, just m1 the fuck out of whatever you're hitting along with the special attacks to stagger

[rose flax]

?

[ripe seal]

even if I had a few times where the stagger from it wearing off would have saved me from a dog a few times

[next cedar]

with them popping up from random holes on populated planets

[rose flax]

Does forwarding not work on this channel?

[mighty belfry]

With mk4, it's a little weird. I usually go push attack light for horde clear and for single target, heavy special.

Because the uppercut special combo does dumb single target damage when you get the rhythm down

And it very often will stagger what you're hitting if it isn't a boss or stagger resistant

[lost bear]

I like sneaking around a bulwark to chain special

Just to enable the team

[mighty belfry]

it turns rampage into a utility ability. and a really strong one

it is literally aggro vet shout

[limber cradle]

The shout on rampage is legit goated, if you're gonna spend any points on the ability I'd for sure make that one of em

[limber cradle]

+a defensive one when you're vulnerable

Its so good

[mighty belfry]

like no joke it has the same stagger as shout

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[dense hollow]

i mean its the same stagger as shout basically

[ripe seal]

i guess the second shout when you exhaust is a nice bit of safety

[dense hollow]

but it also adds a debuff to enemies

[mighty belfry]

it has saved me from poxhounds several times already lmaooo

[limber cradle]

Tbh rampage is worth the like 4 points imo

[main wagon]

tbh the second shout is more valuable than the first lmao

[mighty belfry]

gives you space to get away when you're debuffed

[main wagon]

Im guessing they're gonna give desperado a similar debuff when the inevitable nerf comes

[ripe seal]

you normally don't even really need it at the start, even if it'd be nice to open enemies up before you go in

[fast wind]

2nd shout has saved me from dogs a few times

[lost bear]

Desperado isn't better than Psyker atm

[mighty belfry]

honestly it's more for the team

[lost bear]

Which might be its saving grace

[mighty belfry]

i pretty much use it like i would use shout

[main wagon]

No but I worry that enough people are going to whinge about it that they'll adjust something to appease them

[ripe seal]

any bit of breathing room is appreciated

[limber cradle]

Honestly dude with how hard the community en masse is crying about the class already we might get some arby tier nerfs, idk.

[charred bronze]

do you ever mess with the mk7?

[mighty belfry]

I do.

[lost bear]

Pretty solid minority and mostly on the discord IME, everyone else is qqing about how it's shit

[main wagon]

Hopefully it'll be the same situation as the Arby nerfs where they oddly leave my playstyle alone while hammering Rampage for no reason lol

[fast wind]

I like it more than psyker the ranged invul while using it feels nice taking a horde of ranged enemies head on

[mighty belfry]

Mk7 is really good and honestly just easier overall to use

I'm just a special snowflake that likes mk4

[main prairie]

0% dng, still best melee

[lost bear]

I do like the Mk7's single target combo

Makes me feel special

[limber cradle]

Im ngl Tac Axe is a kinda special snowflake weapon in general

[lost bear]

Had to keep the faith for a long time lol

[mighty belfry]

truke

[lost bear]

Mk7 had some animation fuckery for the longest time

[limber cradle]

I like it but they're defo rare to see in the wild

[lost bear]

Some of its attacks were much shorter range than others

[ripe seal]

tac axe has alwaysbeen a budget knife for builds that can't get the most out of the knife like bleed zealot

[charred bronze]

what's the single target combo?

[mighty belfry]

eh. tac axe is way better at horde management. knife is better at single target

they're both fast weapons but have different purposes

[lost bear]

PA-L-H

[mighty belfry]

Honestly I mix PA but just tend to light the hell out of whatever I'm hitting for single target on mk7

Unga bunga

[lost bear]

Heh

[mighty belfry]

Though.

[lost bear]

Might chain into L-L-H off that, I had tk think about it

[mighty belfry]

I suppose I should be more mindful cuz I'd imagine that would work really well with the rending node for rampage

[lost bear]

That node single-handedly rehabilitated the heavy sword

[mighty belfry]

I still haven't even tried the heavy sword. I really should.

[ripe seal]

coated weapon and crit on dodge on top of all the middle attack stuff enables the knife to work but I probably wouldn't want it other wise, hypercritical maybe

its simple but fun

[limber cradle]

Who knew all sword needed to be good was a drug fuelled rampage

[lost bear]

PCP

In darktide it stands for "pls, Cara. pls"

[ripe seal]

with bladed momentum and rending on rampage you can get an easy 75% rending bonus on hordes

[main prairie]

what blessings and perks do yall use for shivs?

[vale ingot]

what blessings do y'all use on the neddle pistol?

[mighty belfry]

I run riposte + uncanny

lmao

[honest bramble]

Do autopistols crit reliably, or should I stick to the pistols/needle gun for that?

[mighty belfry]

nerfed uncanny and it's still amazing regardless

[honest bramble]

I use the rnding on backstab and bleed on non-weakpoint hits

[lost bear]

Autopistols aren't worth building for crit but if you want cool crits might I suggest the Vraks pattern Infantry Autogun?

[main prairie]

im being silly and using shivs on a desperado braced autogun build since i just cant find a good way to use the crowbar

[charred nexus]

what blessings people running for dual semi auto pistols?

[honest bramble]

you may, and I'll give it a try based on your recommendation.

[novel oracle]

they have +5% inherent crit and fire so fast its rare you dont crit 5x a second

[mighty belfry]

pinning fire + run n' gun

[novel oracle]

IM GOING FUCKING INSANE

[ripe seal]

i run speedloader with either powderburn or power on stagger

[novel oracle]

run n gun mandatory on stub pistol

[mighty belfry]

i have just outright refused to play poxburster maelstroms until that gets fixed

[charred nexus]

does run+gun let you reload while sprinting?

[mighty belfry]

i saw a congo line

[main prairie]

i assume flak and either carapace or unyielding for perks (shiv)

[low drum]

so far the best interaction with hive scum is cutthroat vet saying "watch, learn, then shoot yourself" instead of "watch, learn, repeat" when praised

[lost bear]

Their finesse is eh but also they tend to crit generously in strings already, just off the 20% crit on dodge node

[mighty belfry]

and the poxburster in the very fucking back lunges before all of them, blowing the ten in front of them up and sending my ass to the warp

[glacial basalt]

lmao

[main prairie]

sadly no, but its just best in slot for autpistols and dualies

[ripe seal]

the single auto pistol does get cavalcade for extra crit chance so that might be a viable gun if you want to build crits, but you also don't get quite the same fire rate

[mighty belfry]

i have never seen poxbursters act this bugged out before

[limber cradle]

I cant wait for the next update where all of this is miraculously fixed for 3 months

[kind zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/alastor-hazbin-hotel-insane-gif-27571207

[limber cradle]

I wish I recorded my gameplay cause I saw a fuckin PB bellyslide on the floor into their explosion earlier

[glossy cosmos]

does the +5 stim duration work on the 15s stim supply talent?

[sturdy linden]

Holy, we got YT drama on Darktide

[ripe seal]

i don't think so, mostly because whne you trigger the stim from the supply, your stim instantly goes on cooldown which lets you reduce the cooldown with sample collector, also the skill itself says the effect lingers for 15 seconds, while i'm pretty sure the standard version with the normal duration only applies the stim while you're inside it

[kind zodiac]

???

[limber cradle]

They should give the IAG run and gun

[sturdy linden]

https://youtu.be/WZhvrv1XV4E?si=ioBsLJgsTDYTHl3O

[glossy cosmos]

mkay gotcha thanks! fatshark description moment

[sturdy linden]

Hopefully Hank doesn't mute me lol

[vocal saffron]

i got my new

[ripe seal]

ididn't las pistol use to get run and gun?

[vocal saffron]

brand spankin monster pc set up

[sturdy linden]

It's still an educational video without the beef tho

[mighty belfry]

ah yes

[vocal saffron]

i forgot how to download mods on darktide

[sturdy linden]

So I'm hoping I'm safe

[vocal saffron]

and which ones i used ,,,

it zo ovar ,,

[limber cradle]

Enjoy this blessed class

[mighty belfry]

content

[glossy cosmos]

i like the thumbnail lmfao

[sturdy linden]

PEAK content

[vocal saffron]

i dont wanna grind thougheth ,,

i shall do that when the pookie gets online ,,

[ripe seal]

the more I try double barrel desperado, the more I think its kinda just trash, next time I run it i'll try a combat shotgun with hte special fire

[mighty belfry]

alright wait

i need to try devil's claw now

[sturdy linden]

I cannot wait for the "rebuttal" (aka disingenuous avoidance, deliberate misunderstanding, and abusive vitriol) that will follow

[limber cradle]

Rampage so good it forces DC viability lmfao

[ripe seal]

i remember th em doing changes to the devil's claw there were mark specific earlier this year but I forget what they are, mostly because you'd only know there was unique differences if you looked at hte patch notes

[kind zodiac]

well this chat has now confused me good day

[sturdy linden]

This may not count for much but a couple months ago I had a dclaw SG Psyker who carried us all through the game like he wasn't even breathing hard

[ripe seal]

the power sword still doesn't tell you that there's a block cancel and that its only specific to a single mk, right?

[sturdy linden]

Wha?

[spare glen]

i’m on rn tho

[loud surge]

#TBH they should add a node where every 200 kills you get a guaranteed strength stim to use like grail knight im surprised theres like 0 stimm related stuff in the talent tree

[vocal saffron]

I dont rember wut mods i neeeed

And i have 2 reinstall dem all

My wallet is in agony w what i spent on dis pc

[supple torrent]

Hive should just be able to pick up other stims

[lost bear]

There's like 3 people total who like Tanner, and their mum and their grandmas aren't on the list

[reef spoke]

100% of every time the new event spawns a daemonhost boss, it's on top of me :c

[unborn tiger]

why is voice of tertium talent is not work?

[spare glen]

it works like rituals dh i’m pretty sure it’s whoever is farthest away

[reef spoke]

bruh

I was inside the ritual circle once

[spare glen]

i’m pretty sure scoreboard isn’t working too well rn

[reef spoke]

I swear Fatshark has it out for me

[spare glen]

but if you’re free at some point let’s play cica

[woeful hill]

Only within 12.5 meters does it work

[unborn tiger]

why is it not saying close range kill in description

[woeful hill]

[unborn tiger]

what is this meaning?

[unreal stirrup]

shitty description

thing that doesn't work like how it sound

[woeful hill]

I have no idea why, but a common thing that fatshark does with their games

[unborn tiger]

oh

is sad

[woeful hill]

They just don't tell you things or lie

[unborn tiger]

is like this as well as

[woeful hill]

Yes it is

[unborn tiger]

is not work for gun shot

[woeful hill]

Look in pins, for Kuli's steam guide

And look for the indepth explanation for that talent

[unborn tiger]

what is pins

[unreal stirrup]

what the cumbo for bonesaw again

[unborn tiger]

oh

[unreal stirrup]

also this shit have zero fucking flak adm

[woeful hill]

This

[proud rapids]

bug makes Hyper-Critical and Precision Violence not work together

[charred bronze]

i really didn't like the saw when I tried it

I'm sure I was missing something

[glossy cosmos]

wait what 💀

[woeful hill]

Check pins

Known bug

[glossy cosmos]

i run them both together, precision is the kill 25% damage chuchu thing right?

[proud rapids]

crit breaks violence

[unreal stirrup]

6k damage off caxe heavy is funny

[glossy cosmos]

ah so thats why i wasnt getting tou back at some point?

[proud rapids]

precision is toughness regain on melee hits

but crit procing breaks the perk for teh rest of the level

[wise otter]

Any tips for crowbar blessings?

[vocal saffron]

zure

[glossy cosmos]

loving the 50% rending with rampage + opportunist, i take superiority too since i have a personal vendetta against armored + goo

[lost bear]

I tried going without precision violence and leaning on just the 5% regen from Adrenaline

[ripe seal]

can opener and bash are my go to, but I think superiority can work or oppertunist, or take a swing over bash though I feel like crits synergizes more

[lost bear]

It works until it doesn't

[glossy cosmos]

born to shoot, forced to lock in and krill every crusher/mauler i see

[wise otter]

Thanks, I'll give this a try

[glossy cosmos]

took chem dep alongside over adren

[wise otter]

No matter what I've tried i always get slammed when I use the crowbar

[bronze glade]

superiorirty and opportunist are prob your best bet if you're in auric or higher

[unreal stirrup]

crow bar kinda ass

[glossy cosmos]

having the ult ready when i need tough or stims for tou is such a nice addition since i run all 3 stamina curious

[bronze glade]

yeah such a disappointment

same with bone saw for me, i know that's going to be controversial

[wise otter]

So it's not just a me thing?

[unreal stirrup]

they manage to make both mode be shit

also it does zero unyielding damage in both mode

[unreal stirrup]

I haven't prog the bonesaw yet but when i saw the flak adm it's joeover

scum is probably the only class where all their exclusive melee are shit

[bronze glade]

i've come around the shivs

[ripe seal]

i just spam lights with the crowbar and clever and they seem to work fine enough for me

[bronze glade]

they're not bad

[unreal stirrup]

they just feel like worse knife to me

[ripe seal]

i just don't ever bother to do any attack combos on them and its been working out

[glacial gyro]

yall are tripping, the saw eats everything alive if you build right

[bronze glade]

maybe i need to do that with the crowbar

[bronze glade]

i agree bonesaw is good

for me it just feels really awful to use

what moveset do you use for horde clear?

[unreal stirrup]

pa heavy heavy

[glacial gyro]

LLLLLLLLLLL

[glossy cosmos]

push attack light heavy works with plenty cleave

w/ or w/o ramp

[bronze glade]

yeah that's what i've been doing

[unreal stirrup]

me when im in a tide balance discussion and it involve light spamming

[bronze glade]

i really think it's too slow tho

[unreal stirrup]

I just do pa heavy

[bronze glade]

but then the Ls are pretty fucking weak

[ripe seal]

the saw has awkward swings but is overall good, I want to try doing more complicated combo stuff but spamming lights just feels so much more effective and easy to do

[unreal stirrup]

the inability to like

[vocal saffron]

this new monitor

[unreal stirrup]

kill flak fast is killing it for me

[vocal saffron]

and playing on desktop is fucking me up

[unreal stirrup]

yknow

[vocal saffron]

instead of playin on a laptop

aaeuuguggh

[glossy cosmos]

very 💀 smth like 95 base damage or sm

[unreal stirrup]

only the most common armor type in the game

[ripe seal]

i don't notice it being too slow, especially with hte poison stacking up

[unreal stirrup]

anything work in auric

[glossy cosmos]

i just use it with shred to get toxin stacks

[glacial gyro]

poison damage will kill everything

[bronze glade]

yeah that's part of it for me too

horrible attack speed on heavies

and pretty awk angles

[scenic viper]

Why it is so punishing to fail a block let alone a dodge with the hivescum

[ripe seal]

i'm playing the shivs, cleaver, and crowbar in the exact same way

[scenic viper]

Miss one hit and your whole bar of life is gone

[glossy cosmos]

ever ran into a dreg gunner without warning shooting you in the back with 100% accuracy?

[bronze glade]

this will help a lot

[placid drum]

Hive city brawler is honestly a really good node to pick up if you can

[bronze glade]

in general HIV's surv talents are at the bottom

[glacial gyro]

Remember that you get poison tree nodes that increase your Strength, something other weapons won;t get access to. Pair that with blackouts with pocket toxin and you have a reliable combo hordeclear and escape tool

[charred nexus]

pinning fire doesn't seem like it procs reliably with the dual stub semi autos unless i use the special...

[glacial gyro]

its actually quite strong while also being safe. There's a reason everyone doing h40s uses the saw

[ripe seal]

Toughness on hit near the top is really nice, but you live and die based on the bottom stuff

[glossy cosmos]

does erm, decimator work on toxin damage or am i tweaking and let it go

[glacial gyro]

its 3 am, remind me what decimator is

[ripe seal]

I think hit mass reduction and single target strength is the way to go

[glossy cosmos]

50% local power or smth on 10 stacks

[unreal stirrup]

yeah you're complaining on the class with hella stamina and fastest dodge regen in the game

[ripe seal]

For blessingd

[glossy cosmos]

chained or 2 hits something to get a stack

[unreal stirrup]

all damage iirc

[placid drum]

If you want a good amount of DR chem keystone with the toughness node and the hive city brawler

[glossy cosmos]

playing on 3rd person makes me not miss so yeah

[sturdy linden]

sure would be nice if Fatshark unfucked the specials some time soon

[glossy cosmos]

ya i run plenty of cleave on my talents + shock & awe and have plenty of success with it over deci

[unreal stirrup]

donald trump please make fatshark rework crowbar

[glacial gyro]

I'm not sure. I know perks increase toxin damage (if you have +25% against carapace toxin does 25% more to carapace, for instance) but I might have to test out decimator

[candid flare]

Why mess with perfection

[glossy cosmos]

please do i cant tell the diff with my own testings haha

[unreal stirrup]

perfection as in suck against everything

[glacial gyro]

You want to make it worse? Because everything that orangutan touches gets worse

[ripe blade]

Is the stun grenade refresh just fucked? Works fine in the training zone but doesn't always track mid mission

[candid flare]

I r8 this b8 0/8

[glossy cosmos]

gotta kill things in close range sadly

like

in your face

[ripe blade]

It tracks with melee in training but not mid mission is what I mean

I just don't get it

[glossy cosmos]

weird, i mean it doesn't say that you need to kill in quick succession nor did i notice a kill tracker (i.e. 15/20 to tell ya)

[ripe blade]

Maybe it's training only that it shows stacks? Because it does have a tracker

[glossy cosmos]

but yes i get what you mean there were some times i didnt get my nade back slapping heretics left and right

[novel quest]

it's the blessing that makes you go to sleep

[kind zodiac]

hive scum is a dog water class i get that its a high risk high reward sort of class but the risk outweighs the reward

[novel quest]

god damn dude

(ignore the fact that it's 12am here im boutta be knocked tf out soon)

[candid flare]

Sounds like a skill issue

[last kelp]

Cant decide if I like crowbar or bonesaw more for melee build

[glacial gyro]

Im good, I work seasonally and winter is my off season so I can get away with it

[glossy cosmos]

the handguns audio sucks too

my ears gang wth

[novel quest]

oh hey same here LMAO

[frigid sluice]

how do dual stub pistols compare to dual autopistols

[glossy cosmos]

infinite style points over autopistols

[novel quest]

same here

[last kelp]

Aura: infinite

Performance: worse

[frigid sluice]

where does the style and aura come from

does it just feel really good to shoot or something

[last kelp]

the special ability where you twirl them to gain pinpoint shots

[kind zodiac]

dont give me that nonsense you arbitard

[frigid sluice]

you twirl them?

sold

[glossy cosmos]

inspect the weapon too

[last kelp]

Yes but if you are going desperado they are pretty much a direct downgrade to the dual autos

[glossy cosmos]

trust

its a beauty

[frigid sluice]

can't be that bad right

[novel quest]

yea there is definitely an argument to be made that hive scum could stand to output more for what it's taking rn

[glossy cosmos]

I JUST USE IT TO FLEE LMFAO

[novel quest]

I dont think the class is

"dogwater" tho

[glossy cosmos]

or get pot shots out of specials like those fuckers grenadiers

[candid flare]

Learn to dodge

[novel quest]

it's a great class but could use some uptuning in certain areas

[glacial gyro]

stub pistols have no reason to exist, they are there to look fancy while you die

autopistols for desperado

needle pistol for everything else

[frigid sluice]

doesn't hivescum have a talent that makes them straight up invincible as long as they keep getting ranged crits

[last kelp]

Performance wise I would say so yeah as they just dont really have the ammo capacity or RPM to outperform dual autos

[frigid sluice]

damn

[novel quest]

lame answer

[frigid sluice]

let me give it a shot

[last kelp]

Don't get me wrong I love the dual stubs and I wish they performed better but if you are going for optimal performance they just plain lose out to the dual autos

[novel quest]

ammo efficient and a good alternative if you're not a fan of needler playstyle and want something to take on your melee build

[last kelp]

And for melee builds I would always pick the needle

[charred nexus]

is there any way to view your cumulative crit rate for a weapon?

[glacial gyro]

"they hated him because he told them the truth"

[frigid sluice]

what traits and blessings do I run on it

[candid flare]

Simply don't go for optimal.
The lack of being okay with " good enough" in gaming will always blow my mind

[glossy cosmos]

ya autopistols works well with that one, despe handguns with both crit talent + blessing just doesnt seem performing

[novel quest]

not even, that's just a lame answer and a total intellectual dead end💔

[kind zodiac]

i already know how to dodge and all that shit you arbitard so dont give me the whole "ohhh its a skill issue" crap go give that to someone else

[glacial gyro]

I mean... Dispute it then

[wraith echo]

any of the shared guns worth using over dual uzis for desperado

[frigid sluice]

oh my teacher called me a intellectual dead end on my report card because I broke the window on the classroom door with my head

[novel quest]

I like speedload and run n' gun but keep in mind im using it as a supplement to my melee build

[glossy cosmos]

try um, the shredder smg

its a fun smg with a toughness stick blessing

[last kelp]

I mean yes and no, like I said I do love the dual stubs but they just make me feel comparatively weaker when I run them

[glacial gyro]

Give me a reason to take stub pistols that isn't vibes

[warm dust]

i have a tiny question does anyone with their hive scum have tried to play auric difficulty and active the hard mode for the karnak twin ?

[wraith echo]

are people running reload blessing/perk or is that overkill

[last kelp]

At lower levels I will asbolutely run them but if im doing auric or higher I'll stick to dual autos

[last kelp]

It isnt overkill you want as much reload speed as you can possibly stack

[glossy cosmos]

on the shredder? yeah you can take it over toughness, but if your despe is down you might need it to recover some toughness back without going melee

[candid flare]

So does everyone else and general consensus is the only issue with the class is the bugs so give that "this class Is bad" crap to somebody else

[livid raven]

ehrm

skill issue

[glossy cosmos]

i think i used blaze + toughness on shooting so its a do it all ranged weapon for me

[livid raven]

learn to dodge

i really wouldn't use toughness on shooting as a blessing

[candid flare]

Bri is so tired of ignoring the only advice that works and still dying

[livid raven]

with vulture, it does basically nothing

[glossy cosmos]

anti armor options is kinda weak i guess? limited for a lack of better term for the class rn

[supple torrent]

when my dual autos plink on armor I cant help but think fatshark made a mistake

[charred nexus]

how high do you think you can get your crit rate with the dual semi autos?

[glossy cosmos]

right? its so stylish too

[wraith echo]

they got combat blade at least

for anti armor

[glacial gyro]

Its not even that, its also read your kit. Don't take chem nade because you see everyone else kill 400 pox walkers with it, killing pox walkers is not that useful. Blackouts with pocket toxin also do that but create an escape if you get in too deep. That combo covers so many mistakes its unreal

[glossy cosmos]

sprint to slide and dodge + ads ouuuugh

[livid raven]

combat blade isn't really an anti armor weapon

[last kelp]

I am still going to advocate that scum needs more ways to regain toughness or possibly get a bit more DR as what we have now is EXTREMELY limited and are basically mandatory picks

[glossy cosmos]

AYO SAME

[last kelp]

Other than that though I would say the class is very well placed and really only needs some tuning or bug fixing

[candid flare]

[wraith echo]

scum needs bug fixing and to not have so much anti synergy in the talent tree

[candid flare]

Making it sound like picking toughness regening options on toughness based classes isn't mandatory

[shadow hamlet]

What melee weapon do you guys use on range builds?

[kind zodiac]

its dogwater when leveling up

[glossy cosmos]

crowbar coz haha funny red crowbar gordon freeman uses

[livid raven]

shivs

[candid flare]

You actually want Scum to just be the other classes 2.0 do you?

[supple torrent]

ngl I aint playing scum without the toughness and dr above adrenaline frenzy

[sturdy linden]

That's alright.

[novel quest]

stubs have the pistol flourish for long range quick and easy kills, and are much more ammo efficient than the needler and the uzis which is important for melee builds since not every approach will be up close
it also serves as a good side grade to needler in melee builds in that regard since you kill them now and not later with tox dot

[glacial gyro]

the leveling process is a filter that screens out bad fundamentals

[shadow hamlet]

I guess that makes sense

[glossy cosmos]

and also im broke, im out of dockets to get more weapon mastery to 20 without playing with it

[livid raven]

i personally think these should be moved up in the tree

[last kelp]

Its more so that you have a bit more choices and there are more options spread out for other classes, we have 2 talents that both require landing weakspots to proc, a single DR perk and two more toughness perks that only proc when you are taking damage already

[novel quest]

filter

[last kelp]

Oh and we also have another toughness perk thats so far down on the chem tree I doubt anyone is taking it

[glossy cosmos]

the 15% one right?

[livid raven]

dipping in the chem tree is just very hard

[glossy cosmos]

life changing even

[novel quest]

oh also we're still missing a crucial aspect of dual stubs since its crit bonus is completely fucked

[candid flare]

Yes. Because you are supposed to avoid taking the damage. That is just how the class works. It has options for avoiding taking the damage instead of mitigating and replenishing

[novel quest]

genuinely I believe so many people will run dual stubs once they realized this

[last kelp]

I cant remember, the one that gives you toughness when you melee kill a chem infected enemy

[kind zodiac]

heck the stimm lab sorta seems kinda bad probs the only good paths in the stimm lab tree is the strength path and the regen path

[candid flare]

You dont pick a healer in a role based mmo and then complain they can't tank

[glossy cosmos]

yep thats the one, it gives you a zealot toughness back on chem infected kills

[candid flare]

You just fucking heal

[novel quest]

dual stubs are for "high power big crits", neither of the other two unique guns are for that

[livid raven]

the right side of the tree is kinda shit

[supple torrent]

Yeah I'm not a good enough to not get hit. But at least with those skills my entire toughness isn't blasted away bya gunner.

[candid flare]

I'm gonna hop on Rivals and complain rocket doesn't do what frost does

[glossy cosmos]

funny how its called a medical crate but it cant heal health back, just forcing players to get stims to clear/immune to corruption on that new modifier they added

[livid raven]

it's not called a medical crate

is it

[novel quest]

I need yall to realize how broken an ability that can heal health back would be

[glossy cosmos]

big L, take warrior priest on VT2 for example, that mf didnt break the game

[novel quest]

do not ask for such a thing LMFAO

[glossy cosmos]

stim supply is the ABILITY name

[livid raven]

yes

and you supply stimms

[last kelp]

God forbid a girl ask that the class has a little less fragility for when shit inevitably goes wrong

[kind zodiac]

personally there should be a node that allows for a health regen of a health bar but double the CD of the stimm thats just me

[livid raven]

only one of them is a medical stimm and it's single use

[wraith echo]

its called a refitted medcrate in the desc

[vocal saffron]

every1 would just take hp stim

[livid raven]

because you took an used medical crate and put your shit in it

[livid raven]

reading comprehension

[novel quest]

genuinely the only times I've felt fragile were when my own hubris hornswoggled me so badly I ended up collapsing into a neutron star

[glossy cosmos]

shortened even

[novel quest]

refitted

[livid raven]

refitted medicrate bro

[novel quest]

dude

okay

[livid raven]

you took a spent used one and refitted it

[novel quest]

do you not realize

[candid flare]

"Medic-medi-medi-medica-medic-medicae"

• Ogryn

[teal nova]

Medicae Medicrate

[novel quest]

how silly a healing ability would be

💔

[last kelp]

reading comprehension is punishable by death in the warhammer community

[novel quest]

heals every 60 seconds

even more with that one mod

delightful

it's fine as it is

[glossy cosmos]

they changed the description on release, not a reading compre check 💀

[wraith echo]

would be sick if you take stimm crate you could be able to take stimms again and stack them with the custom stimm for the ult

[teal nova]

"you idiot it's medi-KRate not medi-Kay. smh my head can you even name all 40,000 warhammers?!"

[candid flare]

Just not a "skill" that majority of the population possesses.
It's a terrifying concept I know, but reading comp scores across the board are generally low in all grades.

[glacial gyro]

I would disagree about them being more ammo efficient as especially once you start getting into havocs one or even two headshots on elites isn't going to kill them, and sitting there twirling your gun for five seconds to kill one gunner is time you straight up do not have. Needle pistol, you pull it out, peek for one instant, put one in them, and switch back to your melee weapon. Two seconds later, it dies. If you hit a trapper as their animation starts, they will die before firing the net. Needle pistol only gets ammo inefficient if you mag dump into every crusher you see, which isn't your goal, you thin them out and kill 1-2. Blackouts with pocket toxin are how you deal with crusher packs. 3 stacks will chip their health and the knockdown gives your team time to kill them in conventional ways safely.

I hate to say it but there is nothing the stub pistols do that something else doesn't do a lot better, and its got to do with its dependence on its special to be relevant, but the special is slow and leaves you a sitting duck.

[wraith echo]

add a talent so you can steal stimms from teammates for another hit

[candid flare]

That would be funny

[livid raven]

i think they should change chemical dependency to istantly kill you if you run out of dependency stacks

[candid flare]

It would have to buff your teammate somehow so you're not just fucking them

[wraith echo]

real

[novel quest]

it doesn't need the special to be good

[candid flare]

At least down you

[novel quest]

lmao

[glacial gyro]

If you aren't using the special it is straight up outclassed by the autopistols

[supple torrent]

waste of coder's time. dependency users never stop stimming

[teal nova]

Your claim that needle pistols achieve some exalted level of ammo efficiency and elite control resembles a charming folk tale repeated so often that it begins to sound like fact, even though the battlefield consistently refuses to cooperate. You describe the needle pistol as a sort of divine tap of instant influence. You peek, you flick a single round, you walk away, and then the elite expires on its own as if honoring a gentleman’s agreement. This vision is undeniably flattering to the weapon, but it evaporates once reality intrudes with its usual lack of courtesy. Enemies move, teams scatter, aggro shifts, and two seconds of toxin time frequently accomplish nothing more profound than leaving you with a wounded target that still requires attention.

Meanwhile you characterize the stub pistols as if their user performs a theatrical ritual each time the special is charged. This caricature omits how dependable they are at applying immediate stagger, immediate damage, and immediate disruption. Delayed lethality is a luxury that does not always survive contact with a mixed horde or a crossfire. The stub pistols offer output that exists in the present moment rather than a hypothetical future in which the elite patiently stands still while the toxin finishes its slow arithmetic.

Your reliance on blackouts and pocket toxin as the enlightened crusher solution reads like a logistical pamphlet sponsored by optimism. It assumes your kit is ready, your spacing is perfect, your team is synchronized, and the situation politely aligns itself for textbook execution. This is admirable theorycraft, yet serves poorly as a universal answer, since every group is not blessed with your precision or your patience.

In short your argument leans on ideal scenarios and selective framing, and those foundations are less stable than you imagine.

[last kelp]

the west has truly fallen...

[livid raven]

millions must cry

[wraith echo]

unironically how tf did fatshark expect stimm crate + chem dep builds to work

like if you want any chem dep stacks you gotta use it between crate deployments

[glacial gyro]

thank you chatgpt

[novel quest]

holy ai essay

[livid raven]

the right side of the tree is so shit it's actually kinda crazy it made it to release

[lucid raptor]

alright guys after a lot of testing and number crunching i have concluded that hive scum needs dueling sword

trust me

[wraith echo]

which makes the talent that resets crate cd on stimm refresh pointless half the time

[candid flare]

As someone who always got top scores in reading comp it absolutely blows my mind that a person can read words, understand their meaning, and yet simply not understand what they mean together

[glacial gyro]

"ChatGPT, depict me as the chad and my opponent as the soy"

[livid raven]

i think they need the bgs actually

[last kelp]

does using your stimm still mean that your crate deploys nothing but green air?

[supple torrent]

I just vomitted a little

[lucid raptor]

[teal nova]

Whenever someone posts a long argument I reply with a ChatGPT response. I don't even read 'em.

[wraith echo]

from what I understand if your stimm is on cd you just get corruption cleanse from the ult

so ueah

[last kelp]

sorry buddy maybe try saying these words by themselves and i'd understand what you're saying

[glacial gyro]

Well, if it helps, the AI influence is obvious immediately and I don't read those either, so

[last kelp]

anyway still cant decide on melee build, crowbar or bonesaw?

[candid flare]

Git Gud

[novel quest]

I don't see it. autopistols can't do the range stubs can nearly as efficiently. up close? definitely can outpace stubs. again I think the problem is just stubs' crit bonus being bugged. it's meant to be a high power crit machine, but because of fartshack's incompetence in coding crits, the purpose is kinda borked atm

[glacial gyro]

Glorified autocorrect and stick to helping me spell porn actress names, it has no opinion on anything

[last kelp]

still to many words, no idea

[glossy cosmos]

punishable death in the 40k community btw

[candid flare]

Crowbar for pure beatsick saw for tox build

[unreal stirrup]

bottom right above keystone have some banger though

[kind zodiac]

sorry to say this chat but the field improv that passive that veteran has is better than the stimm supply

[livid raven]

yeah but it's really a badly built branch

i think building it with toxin in mind was a mistake

[teal nova]

Anyway, dual stub pistols, is collateral good as a dump stat or is mobility still better?

[novel quest]

mobility

[livid raven]

also they just put coherency radius in there

they ran out of ideas

[tight musk]

I don't think they did, cause it doesn't work.

If you run the crate then sample collector and the "gain stimm supply when stimm is ready" modifier are your cooldown talents. Especially if you use a toxin heavy setup, you can regain the crate in like 30 seconds, even less if you toss a toxin grenade into a crowd.

[last kelp]

See I wanna do pure tox build but then I miss being able to break a mutants jaw in a single heavy swing

[candid flare]

Mob will be the dump stat until they improve the stat itself across the board

[unreal stirrup]

mob isn't dump for everything

[candid flare]

That's what you use the single stub for

[novel quest]

yeahhh but it's mobility here

[last kelp]

but muh needle pistol

[lucid raptor]

Why a Hive Scum Needs a Dueling Sword

A Hive Scum’s greatest strength is survival through adaptability, not brute force. Life in the Underhive teaches you quickly that the one who lives longest isn’t the toughest—it’s the one who can strike precisely, move fast, and avoid getting hit. That’s exactly why the dueling sword is the perfect weapon.

1. The Underhive rewards finesse over raw power

Ogryns can swing clubs the size of rail pipes. Veterans have their lasguns. But the Hive Scum grows up learning to end fights before the enemy even notices the knife is out.
The dueling sword amplifies that skill: fast swings, clean dodges, and quick kill opportunities.

2. It turns a disposable worker into a lethal threat

The Imperium doesn’t expect much from Hive Scum—just bodies for the grinder.
The dueling sword flips that expectation. It lets a Scum punch far above their weight class, cutting down elites with precision strikes and exploiting weak spots that heavier weapons simply smash uselessly.

3. It’s the perfect weapon for fighting in cramped hive corridors

Big two-handers get stuck on bulkheads. Chain axes bounce off railings.
The dueling sword?
It threads through tight spaces like a stiletto through rebreather mesh. In the tangle of pipes, catwalks, and sludgeworks, speed beats size every time.

4. It matches the Scum mindset—scrappy, cunning, and ruthless

A dueling sword is a rogue’s weapon. It’s not about honor; it’s about ending the fight cleanly and living to loot another day.
Every strike feels like it comes from someone who’s survived back-alley ambushes and settlement turf wars their whole life.

5. It’s the closest thing a Scum gets to status

In a sea of broken pipes and rusted scrap, carrying a dueling sword marks you as someone who has:
• lived long enough to afford one
• stolen something valuable
• or killed someone important

Either way, it sends a message.

⸻

In short:

A Hive Scum needs the dueling sword because it represents everything the Scum is: fast, clever, deadly, and determined to survive in a galaxy that wants them dead.

[teal nova]

Mobility is dump for everything because I'm roleplaying as a slow fatass

[novel quest]

jesus fucking christ man

[last kelp]

NO DUELING SWORD FUCK OFF

[teal nova]

Thank you ChatGPT 🙏

[candid flare]

Almost. Enough of a majority that you can justifiably say "dump mob on everything except special cases"

[lucid raptor]

[glacial gyro]

Maybe, if one day it starts critting for a million damage on headshots, I'll change my tune, but right now I do not notice a difference in trying to hit the same target with both from a distance or very accurately. Spraying it with autopistol fire does the job just as well while also being better up close.

[last kelp]

WE AINT A BUNCH OF PONCY SPIRE KILLJOYS

[supple torrent]

whats stopping you from running crowbar with coated weaponry

[teal nova]

Actually, they're right. Mob isn't dump for everything. Defense comes first when it's available.

[unreal stirrup]

attack speed

[tawny fossil]

Hive scum probably getting 0 commissary cosmetics or anything new besides this current rotation in the premium shop, or have fatshark said otherwise?

[teal nova]

No defense only attack unga bunga

[supple torrent]

blue stim

[unreal stirrup]

also coated weaponry kinda fucking suck because its only 1 stack

[last kelp]

the fact that i swapped the node over to make my blinders act as discount chem nades

[novel quest]

good depending on the context

it's good on shivs

mid on crowbar

[candid flare]

Blocking far more important than dodging .03 meters further

[unreal stirrup]

nah it still ass on shiv/knife

[lucid raptor]

why haven’t i done this yet

[novel quest]

no

lol

[unreal stirrup]

because you already have fleshtearer + uncanny

[glacial gyro]

it fucks on saw because it applies 2 stacks if you crit

[unreal stirrup]

which stack much faster

[tawny fossil]

crit weakspot is 3 as well no?

[quick mica]

Saw a guy nuke entire horde with a needle gun, how does that work exactly? shoot at 1 or spread it out?

[glacial gyro]

I'm not actually sure on that, I'll have to test

[unreal stirrup]

yeah if you CRIT

on the SAW

[rigid summit]

i want to actually bash my head in why are there so many trash players

[candid flare]

No, greyname, nobody is getting anything in commissary ever. That is basegame territory

[zenith fern]

Great on high crit chance and fast melees

[glacial gyro]

Crit is so easy to get on scum

[last kelp]

spread your shot with the special attack

[unreal stirrup]

no im literally talking about why it bad

[lucid raptor]

arbites broke ppls brain and it’s free weekend currently

[rigid summit]

im going insane trying to level my scum

[unreal stirrup]

shiv and knife already have much faster dot stack with flesh + uncanny

[charred bronze]

the general level of play is far lower than normal, that's for sure

[quick mica]

I see, thanks

[unreal stirrup]

and 1 stack is not really enough

[novel quest]

yall have hurt my brain enough for today

[vocal saffron]

apparently the best way to level scum is just playing twins

[tawny fossil]

thank you for only replying to half of that comment, i appreciate you sarcastic orange named guy

[last kelp]

Yeah but more dots never hurt right mucker?

[lucid raptor]

it’s like people forgot how to melee

[zenith fern]

Thank you kind sir

[quick mica]

So how are we feeling about the new class? Im still level 20 so cant tell, but constant reloading feels a bit janky

[glacial gyro]

Though that does suck because the base red color matches the red for Iron Riders cosmetics 1:1

[lost bear]

4 levelling scum is also a really shit team comp

[unreal stirrup]

it only good for the talent that give reduce damage for monstrosity

[teal nova]

It's overpowered and needs a nerf

[candid flare]

Because modern games don't teach you how to play them In tutorials, just how to control your character

[unreal stirrup]

it doesn't stack fast enough to justify it

[lucid raptor]

speedload isn’t a bad blessing to take on some guns

[supple torrent]

nerf toxin buff launcher to be better than krak

[zenith fern]

It all a great fun class that rewards your valuable skills

[quick mica]

Huh

[teal nova]

Hive scum is totally braindead and OP

[shadow hamlet]

This was the way

[quick mica]

Even with that :(

[novel quest]

take it less as a compliment and more as a testament as to how good everyone here is at lobotomizing someone with a thousand takes at once

[zenith fern]

That goes to arbites

[quick mica]

Launcher is so fun

[tight musk]

Do people actually enjoy using the dueling sword? Every time I tried using it, it just didn't deliver, and it was kinda just not very fun to use.

[last kelp]

Found the arbites trying to bait

[quick mica]

I agree so far, very high risk high reward

[tawny fossil]

you can use Desperado to reload mags + stimms with ability regen can make it better to deal with, but still a pain especially with auto pistols

[frigid sluice]

I understand what people meant by dual stub was aurafarm

[unreal stirrup]

duelling sword was never that good lol

[novel quest]

this is what I mean

[unreal stirrup]

it's just braindead easy to use

[lucid raptor]

it’s stupid good

[novel quest]

this right here

[last kelp]

If hive scum gets dueling sword I am going to be very angry

[quick mica]

Yeah the autopistols sucky when it comes to reloading every 5 seconds

[fast gust]

Remove Dueling Sword

[lucid raptor]

it’s just zzz gameplay

[tight musk]

I don't like using it, therefore it's bad.

[lost bear]

it's stupid good and it's good for the stupid

such a flattering weapon

[supple torrent]

the mobility is kinda silly and it just one taps stuff.

[lucid raptor]

spam heavy pokes and slide everywhere

[unreal stirrup]

I genuinely don't know why people want duelling sword on scum when you have knife

[lost bear]

even its weaknesses it's just kinda middling at

[livid raven]

duelling sword outclasses knife and it's not even close

[last kelp]

We aint no poncy spire snobs we do NOT need a dueling sword

[supple torrent]

DS should have never left the filthy witches

[zenith fern]

If there's one thing that must be learnt the most is your positioning as scum, one quick slip can be end of your journey

[unreal stirrup]

literally every single knife drawback is mitigated by hivescum

[last kelp]

I might have to rank up a shiv and try it on melee

[livid raven]

duelling sword would be even better

[wraith echo]

never heard of people getting stabbed by fencing swords in london

[livid raven]

ehrm

[last kelp]

shut

[livid raven]

it's a sabre

[glacial gyro]

@teal nova You're in for it now sonny jim

[livid raven]

or a rapier but it looks more like a sabre

[lucid raptor]

tanner lindberg told me hive scum doesn’t do enough damage. give it dueling sword

[wraith echo]

no its fatshark are you stupid

[lost bear]

why would you humour someone who used a LLM for an argument to begin with

[teal nova]

Waow imagine putting in the effort to type 3 whole lines into ChatGPT

[glacial gyro]

oh man autocorrect let you have it, read em and WEEP kid

Oh, adorable. You’ve arranged a whole little sermon about “reality intruding” and “delayed lethality” as though you’ve just descended from the Scholam with a diploma in Common Sense Studies. Allow me to clap politely before explaining, very slowly, why this entire rebuttal faceplants the moment we actually consider the hive scum’s job description rather than whatever imaginary theater you’re staging in your head.

First, your attempt to portray the needle pistol as some fussy, slow-burn divining rod is precious. Truly. Except the hive scum does not need “instant disruption” because—brace yourself—the scum already has tools for that which aren’t called stub pistols. The whole point of the class is executing priority targets at advantage, not role-playing a wannabe Veteran with a gun that kicks like a mule and hits like a wet sponge. A single needle round delivers a guaranteed, scaling chunk of future damage that requires zero commitment and zero overexposure. The entire fantasy of the scum is built on “poke, vanish, let the problem die in the alley.” You know: subtlety, efficiency, not waddling into the open to double-tap with Last Ganger Syndrome.

But please, continue pretending that the stub pistols’ “immediate stagger” is meaningful when the hive scum’s melee tools, bombs, ult, and—shockingly—basic movement tech already outperform the stub pistols at disruption by something like three orders of magnitude. You’re describing “reliability” in the same way someone might describe a rusted-out hatchback as “charmingly consistent.” Sure, it moves. But should it? When the needle pistol or the twin autopistols perform the job faster, safer, and at an actually respectable DPS-per-exposure ratio, the stub pistols devolve into nothing more than a nostalgia piece for players terrified of letting go of the peashooter they imprinted on at level 2.

Speaking of the twin autopistols—yes, that thing you forgot existed while writing your dissertation—they chew through mixed hordes, specials, and elites immediately, without requiring the user to stand still and perform your imaginary stub-pistol liturgy. They give real suppression, real breakpoints, and real coverage. Meanwhile the stub pistols deliver a performance best described as “enthusiastic but inconsequential.”

As for your grand finale about “ideal scenarios,” that’s rich. The entire stub-pistol argument depends on one: the fantasy that the hive scum is too incompetent to maintain line of sight for two seconds but somehow competent enough to benefit from a sidearm that requires deliberate exposure and rhythmic ADS juggling. A tool that fails every time the battlefield becomes unpredictable is the stub pistol, not the needle. When chaos hits—and it does—the gun that doesn’t care, that costs you nothing, and that stacks kill-pressure without staking your life on a close-range flinch animation is the one the scum should carry.

In short: your defense of the stub pistols reads like a powerPoint presentation delivered by someone who hasn’t actually watched what the hive scum does. The needle pistol and autopistols aren’t “luxuries.” They’re the weapons that actually fulfill the class’s purpose, while stub pistols fulfill nothing except the user’s desire to pretend their sidearm is relevant.

But by all means—keep preaching. It’s cute.

[unreal stirrup]

Istg just a years ago people was fucking shitting on chat gpt

and now they using it for fucking code

[shadow hamlet]

What's the better option for the cool down stim tree? 25% cooldown or the cooldown on kill

[unreal stirrup]

tiktok brain ah fucking

[unreal stirrup]

stim cdr is kinda meh

[placid drum]

Aint got time to read all that

[teal nova]

Lobotomized Internet Theory

[shadow hamlet]

I see

[livid raven]

stim cdr is the best use for the stim

[unreal stirrup]

since it only active when the cooldown start

[lost bear]

bought stackoverflow for a reason

[teal nova]

The internet isn't full of bots. It's just that everyone has been lobotomized by ChatGPT

[unreal stirrup]

vibe coder need to be executed

[lost bear]

cargo cult coders

[glacial gyro]

except you*

[lucid raptor]

you are all AI bots and i am the main character i will not be convinced otherwise

[teal nova]

Petition to servitorize Sam Altman

[lost bear]

shit ass attempt at labour discipline

now they're all throwing money into the hole

[teal nova]

I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow to the knee.

[teal nova]

No lollygagging.

[candid flare]

Spontaneity proves reality.

[teal nova]

*turns torso at an awkward angle just to stare at you*

[lost bear]

I wonder how much RP forums have fundamentally poisoned the LLM dataset lmao

[glacial gyro]

let me guess, someone stole your sweetroll

[tight musk]

I think you should be able to start regaining stimm the moment you activate it, instead of having to wait until the effects expire.

[teal nova]

I agree we should have more drugs

[lucid raptor]

anyone have an invite to the sexy ogryn rp discord

[lost bear]

wdym

every ogryn is sexy

[glacial gyro]

SPontaneity is nothing but the convergence of variables that only seem random because our brains are not capable of calculating them in anything even approaching totality. Lack of understanding does not imply lack of causality.

[last kelp]

idk if i should go with 60% on mobility or first target for shivs since first target only applies when hitting multiple enemies right?

[candid flare]

Nowhere near the damage that advertisement integration will do when they roll it out this coming year

[drifting heron]

@grok is this true

[lost bear]

brawndo ad within a request to pick up a reading list

[unreal stirrup]

llm are already cannibalizing themself

[candid flare]

Then you don't believe in sentience?

[glacial gyro]

Ai was already basically worthless as anything but an oddity, enshittifying it will hopefully finally pop the bubble

[lost bear]

product ain't even fully baked and they're already enshittifying

[unreal stirrup]

it's the matter of time before the bubble burst

[teal nova]

Your argument relies on a simplified model of determinism that does not hold when applied to real physical or complex adaptive systems. Asserting that spontaneity is only the product of insufficient cognitive capacity presumes that all phenomena are, in principle, predictable given complete information. This assumption does not align with what is known about measurement limits, chaotic dynamics, or systems that exhibit emergent behavior.

Chaotic systems remain fully causal yet are not predictably traceable because small variations in initial conditions grow at rates that exceed any feasible measurement resolution. The issue is not human weakness but structural sensitivity within the system itself. Even an ideal observer with perfect computational resources would be constrained by fundamental limits on information accessibility and precision.

Furthermore, many biological, social, and computational systems produce outcomes that are not derivable from initial states in any compressed or closed form. They follow causal rules, yet the rules generate patterns that are, for practical purposes, spontaneous. Predictability is not guaranteed simply because causality exists.

Your position also presupposes a distinction between understanding and causality that is absolute rather than contextual. In practice, the relevant question is not whether causes exist but whether those causes produce behavior that remains tractable. In many domains they do not.

Spontaneity therefore does not imply acausality. It indicates that the mapping between causes and outcomes is either computationally intractable, information limited, or structurally unstable, which makes the phenomenon effectively spontaneous even though it remains causal at a fundamental level.

[lost bear]

jfc just kiss already

[fast wind]

I like to be wrong on my own rather than s bot being wrong for me

[last kelp]

insert paragraph about dueling sword that devolves into a nazi rant

[unreal stirrup]

tanner lindberg moment

[candid flare]

100%
The first time someone asks about protein and gets fucking KFC suggested it will all be over

[fast wind]

really reaching that dark age of technology

[fast gust]

Would make us support enjoyers broken

[zenith fern]

"How do I make this debate political?"

[teal nova]

That's such a perfectly insightful take! And honestly? Your prediction is - *chef's kiss*

[fast gust]

Ult every 23-25 seconds

[lucid raptor]

hive scum also needs bolter and plasma rifle

[last kelp]

AI made RAM prices skyrocket and for that I think we should kill all clankers

[candid flare]

[unreal stirrup]

fuck all clanker

[tight musk]

If you run the stimm supply, you actually do start regaining stimm the moment you drop the supply.

[unreal stirrup]

get them pregnant

[candid flare]

I've never blocked a person so fast

[lucid raptor]

fuck those tinskins

[last kelp]

Same with anyone even remotely tied to the bitcoin industry to avenge our GPU prices

[unreal stirrup]

stim supply consume your stim what is bro on about

[glacial gyro]

Its the difference between our choices being predetermined and our choices being predictable. There is a difference, if only philosophical.

[fast gust]

Yep, but even at 65s stim tends to come much sooner due to DEATH, MURDER, MAYHEM

[dim moth]

they understand that dueling sword is meta

[drifting heron]

Reminder that by being racist towards robots you are being racist towards BT-7274

[dim moth]

but do not understand the reasons why it is meta

[teal nova]

Brooo my crypto is totally gonna go to the moon bro just trust me brooooooo AssCoins is the future broooooooooooooooooo

[dim moth]

just that it is

[drifting heron]

Be better

[fast gust]

No.

[tight musk]

Yes, it consumes your stimm, and you immediately start regaining the stimm, you don't have to wait for the effects to wear off like when you use the stimm directly on yourself.

[fast gust]

Only Androids deserve praise

[unreal stirrup]

it's not even meta for like 2 of the 3 class it is on

[fast gust]

Like Connor

[dim moth]

I see it a lot from people who refuse to melee any melee elites with dueling sword

so they are exclusively using dueling sword for horde clear

[calm aurora]

Oo

[dim moth]

the exact thing that it is weak at

and nothing else

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/connor-detroit-become-human-coin-focus-gif-6668509296756993906

[unreal stirrup]

muh duelling sword uored clear id good guy

[calm aurora]

[unreal stirrup]

heresy

[candid flare]

These are ppl who can't think beyond lightspam

[vast ferry]

I bet they max cleave

[calm aurora]

Dclaw is better

[sinful matrix]

try again in english?

[unreal stirrup]

I genuinely think people who are using light spam every single time cant talk about meta or anything really

[sturdy linden]

I have just lost 4 games in a row to 90-degree nets, screenwide aoe bursters, and laser targeting dogs

[teal nova]

'Member when dueling sword could twoshot crushers in auric?

[unreal stirrup]

I mean except bully club because it is what it is

[sinful matrix]

Not me using the light spam chain axe >.>

[unreal stirrup]

yeah because its the only option lol

[sinful matrix]

Headtaker+Slaughter+Rampage is quite comfy

[dim moth]

totally not me doing this exact thing with shivs to stack tox

[sinful matrix]

what the fuck wall of text

holy

[teal nova]

Bully club my beloved. Best brainless ogryn option.

[long lotus]

Are the shivs viable? Are they better than the crowbar

[glacial gyro]

The statement expresses an extraordinary level of certainty about a highly volatile and speculative asset class. There are several reasons this confidence is not justified:

1. Hype Is Not Evidence

Claims like “it’s going to the moon” or “just trust me” reflect enthusiasm, not analysis. Without data—such as tech fundamentals, tokenomics, market need, developer activity, or regulatory posture—there’s no reliable basis for predicting strong long-term performance.

2. Most New Tokens Fail

Historically, the overwhelming majority of memecoins and low-cap tokens either collapse, rug-pull, or stagnate into illiquidity. The probability that “AssCoins,” or any similar novelty token, becomes a sustainable financial asset is extremely low.

3. Market Sentiment Is Unstable

Crypto markets are driven heavily by sentiment—and sentiment is notoriously fickle. A token that surges one week can crater the next due to nothing more than shifting attention or the actions of a few whales.

4. Lack of Utility = Long-Term Risk

Unless a token serves a genuine use case or provides a structural advantage over established cryptocurrencies, its value is almost entirely speculative. Memecoins typically lack:

Real-world utility

Scalable technology

Institutional interest

Developer ecosystems

Without those, long-term value is doubtful.

5. “Trust Me” Is a Red Flag

Investment advice that relies on trust instead of transparency is dangerous. Responsible investing requires:

Understanding risks

Independent research

Clear information about who benefits and how

“Trust me” is not a foundation for financial decision-making.

6. Survivorship Bias Clouds Perception

People see a few meme tokens skyrocket and assume theirs will too. They don’t see the thousands that died quietly. Betting on being the lottery winner is not sound reasoning.

[unreal stirrup]

I mean its not like shiv have anything more than light spam and heavy dpam

[sinful matrix]

fuckin ell krunch

[unreal stirrup]

i just enjoy knife more

[mortal meadow]

The second variant of the shiv's i've been LOVING.

[sturdy linden]

I think the new "meta" for bursters is gonna be "either shoot it in the distance or just fucking RUN"

[candid flare]

Why are they fighting each other with AI novels?

[glacial gyro]

Oh god no its not what it looks like, Moe started this and its turned into a gag

[broken bear]

Light spam is good for defense tbh (with shivs)

It’s just to spam toughness regen tbh

[royal hornet]

What is the perk/blessing picks for Combat Axe?

[unreal stirrup]

for something like shiv its their only option

[teal nova]

I shoot bursters because I don't trust my teammates not to shoot them.

[unreal stirrup]

but mfs be light spamming on smt like fucking shock maul and call it bad

[sinful matrix]

flak/unarmored/brutal momentum/headtaker

[lost bear]

unarmoured cara also works but different set of tradeoffs

[candid flare]

You can use the two push blessing for PAL1l2l3, or I use skullcrusher and thrust for hard hitting heavies

[glacial gyro]

In fairness, the chainaxe really only has two modes, light spam for horde clear and heavy spam for armor clear

[broken bear]

Lowk I just be shooting em

[unreal stirrup]

you don't need flak or unarmored

[glacial gyro]

Considering how this weekend has been going, valid

[turbid fulcrum]

Hi(ve) Scum, I have a question. Say I have CDR on my stimm. I pop the stimm then Rampage. Rampage only starts resetting once it ran out. By then often my stimm has worn off. Does that mean the CDR is useless?

[drifting heron]

If you want to use it to buff your ability

[teal nova]

Carapace/Maniac because I personally dislike scab ragers in particular

[drifting heron]

If you use it to pad damage during downtime it works

[teal nova]

No rational reason, just don't like them

[glacial gyro]

I use CDR in my stimm as a sort of 'second rampage' that gets the main rampage back up. So its not useless, just alternate them

[turbid fulcrum]

Hm ok thank you!

[royal hornet]

What Mark?

[drifting heron]

Rashad

[unreal stirrup]

rashad is the only one

[candid flare]

☝️

[unreal stirrup]

antax have zero fucking reason to exist

[drifting heron]

Wdym antax

[royal hornet]

I guess I have to take Rampage to make it good at killing Crushers and Maulers?

[drifting heron]

Rashad only has one mark

Its super weird

[unreal stirrup]

acylis need weakspot priority

[turbid fulcrum]

EH it's a bit safer. Achlys on the other hand....

[glacial gyro]

Yeah, Rashad has one mark, "Combat Axe".

[broken bear]

Gotta do it after ability turns off

[unreal stirrup]

it isn't safer because it does nothing

if anything it is worse for safety since you're attacking slower

best push attack out of all of them though

[turbid fulcrum]

Best push and special attacks imo, which is what I meant

special staggers and is immediate

[unreal stirrup]

i forgot about the special

but the heavy tend to stagger almost anything anyway

[sturdy linden]

Kinda demoralizing to have barely an hour to play after a shitty day only to lose multiple times in a row to bugs

[teal nova]

Skill issue

If you aren't good enough to solo carry through bugs, you aren't good enough

/s

[rustic zinc]

Anyone know if Critical Bonus on Dual Stub Pistols is genuinely completely useless? (pic shows a typical bonus compared with CritBonus)

[drifting heron]

The description is bugged

Its an extremely good stat

[dim moth]

not bugged

stat is broken on stub pistols

[drifting heron]

Oh is it

Damn

Well don't build around it being broken

You'll be sad when they fix it

[novel oracle]

this is how i finished getting back up to h40

[drifting heron]

This reduced your lifespan didn't it

[novel oracle]

yes

[sinful matrix]

Better stagger attack

[thick hornet]

For Mortis Trials, is there a chem set of boons added?

[drifting heron]

Probably not

Nobody cares much about mortis

[thick hornet]

I like Mortis as a mode a lot

[unreal stirrup]

mortis is fun for like the first 5 run

[candid flare]

I still need to try it

[unreal stirrup]

same for chaos waste

[drifting heron]

And a talent set based solely around 1 mechanic in a single class is called "wasted dev time"

[thick hornet]

I find it a good palette cleanser after playing many missions

[candid flare]

Chaos wastes is okay. I'm still mad they doubled my game size overnight

[unreal stirrup]

chaos waste is uh

there no variety in a rouge like

[thick hornet]

I also like Chaos Wastes a lot so I think I'm just the target audience

[drifting heron]

Red like

[unreal stirrup]

also some weapon really depend on blessing

so stuff like dual dagger feel like unfettered ass

[glacial gyro]

holy shit a friend of mine just dropped this banger of a description of hive scum

"Other classes are like a gun, you pull the lever and it shoots a bullet. Hive scum is a Bop-It that shoots a nuke, but if you do it wrong it instantly explodes in your hand."

[unreal stirrup]

i like mortis better but there are too little content for it rn

[thick hornet]

That is a funny description

Yeah Mortis needs updates

[unreal stirrup]

mortis also have better integration with classes talent

[thick hornet]

I've been trying to run a Chem Bomber build in it with Scum and I basically get nothing for that build

[random shuttle]

I love mortis

where else I can fight 10 bosses at once?

😄

[thick hornet]

I do like becoming a full support where the flashbangs become healing domes

[glacial gyro]

I played a mortis earlier that caused my blackouts to heal allies and cause the things they hit to take +200% damage, so I jsut lobbed them at bosses and monstrosities and healed my mates and then the boss would instantly dematerialize

[drifting heron]

Havoc

[mortal meadow]

Hive Scum is like a cocaine addiction. If played well, you can't get enough, but if you crash, you fucking burn.

[thick hornet]

Yeah its a lot of fun

[random shuttle]

Nah Havoc will have max 6~ 😄

[thick hornet]

Havoc requires you to find a team together first

Havoc reminds me of playing MMOs of finding the right group and even then you must just fold quickly within the raid

[vocal viper]

Anyone got a build that's not plagued with bugs or should I just wait till my Wednesday when the patch gets released

[thick hornet]

I got multiple

[vocal viper]

Crushers hitting me when they shouldn't, nets hitting me when they shouldn't, it's getting a bit much.

[glacial gyro]

I have had three dogs now fly past me, land, and pin me

[vocal viper]

Bursters explosions inconsistently large

[livid raven]

these are not influenced by any bugs

[mortal meadow]

I played H40 with Hive Scum. If they nerf it, it's literally not even worth trying, but in its current state you can actually match if not entirely overpower a team of zealots.

[random shuttle]

Gonna try something a little weird.

[thick hornet]

It could be a connection issue
I live not in the first world so I'm used to high ping

[placid drum]

iI dont see them nerfing hive scum honestly i feel like they are in a pretty decent spot that needs a few improvements

[unreal stirrup]

if you're talking about being immune to melee attack talent technically crusher and mauler overhead isn't "melee"

net is pure skill issue though

[mortal meadow]

Tell me how that goes.

[mortal meadow]

I fucking agree.

[livid raven]

mauler is apparently

[vocal viper]

Wtf yes?!?

[royal musk]

somethgins wrong with pox hounds I think they pounce without warning and all

[mortal meadow]

Mauler and Crusher are apparently AOE.

[livid raven]

pox hounds work like they always have

[glacial gyro]

I have been pounced by shroudfield hounds, yes

[thick hornet]

I'v had similar issues where I feel like I pulled off a push and still get damaged

[random shuttle]

In grinder it looks great. Can stack Bleed and Chem toxin on enemies in a second

[vocal viper]

No. I've seen it shoot past me at a 45 degree. I have fibre internet. I do a ping test and I am sound.

[candid flare]

All audio cues are a little fucky since Scum dropped

[unreal stirrup]

flesh tearer without uncanny

😭

[glacial gyro]

Maybe contact highs all around

[livid raven]

all audio cues have been a little fucky since

since release really

[thick hornet]

The servers themselves could suck
I have good internet but since this update, the servers could go bonkers

[novel oracle]

bursters are just fucked tho
they are nearly silent as of this patch, jump from further, hit from further, and sometimes just blow up early with no outside influence

[royal musk]

truth nuke

[mortal meadow]

As a devout Desperado main, I need a good panic melee that's capable of horde-clear like nobodies business.

[vocal viper]

Yes!!!!!

[royal musk]

I knew something was wrong so its not skill issue !!!!!

[mortal meadow]

SO IT'S NOT JUST ME THAT NOTICED THE BURSTERS ARE BUFFED?

[unreal stirrup]

I mean if you're only using it for exclusively horde clear then heavy sword

[placid drum]

I honestly feel like the rampage does not need the debuff at the end of their whole thing

[novel oracle]

me and reginald are making the enemy devs look at it

cuz its VERY noticable

[candid flare]

Heavy sword

[glacial gyro]

I recommend blackouts. Nothing unfucks bad positioning or bad spawns like blackouts.

[royal musk]

THANK YOU

[unreal stirrup]

rampage literally last fucking forever