hivescum-class

[charred bronze]

I noticed that you gotta be fairly close to proc stacks

[glacial gyro]

this is fhte fifth time I have been killed by randos shooting bursters next to me

[rough peak]

I'm too impatient to wait 14 minutes before doing another run <.<

[frigid basalt]

One is aoe Nuke like ogryn frag

[lost bear]

chain weapon rip kills don't seem to add adrenaline kill stacks

[frigid basalt]

Other is fuck that got in particular

[charred bronze]

free weekend?

[glacial gyro]

Its level 30!

[placid drum]

Yea and there is a node in the ranged tree that does speedloader for you

[charred bronze]

doesn't take long to hit 30 if you're playing hard

[wet heath]

It's up to you to believe, feel free to try it yourself

[charred bronze]

what was their true level, if you have that mod installed?

[obsidian crown]

What? I run desperado exclusively. Not having the holy trinity is suboptimal. Anyways ignoring you.

[lost bear]

if you kill them on the initial bonk it adds stacks, but not if the chain rip kills them

[wet heath]

Lmao what a bozo, you belong in the carnival

[steep vale]

what do i want on both crowbar and shivs?

[small grail]

Whats got you so defensive?

[wet heath]

You don't want a crowbar

[steep vale]

im guessing flak and manic but idk the blessings

[steep vale]

sad day indeed

was gonna try it out but nvm

[placid drum]

Question is for what build is it for

[timid acorn]

how is the vraks v autogun for dsesperado?

[frigid basalt]

Decent

[steep vale]

rampage dependacy

[wet heath]

Shivs precog and uncanny, my perks are +2 stamina and carapace

[small grail]

I would run carapace unyielding

[frigid basalt]

Struggles with hipfire at times

[placid drum]

Use saw or shivs

[rough peak]

Desperado auto reloading your gun is really nice

[charred bronze]

I was enjoying this, can't promise it's optimal (i haven't done a bunch of breakpoint testing or anything):

[small grail]

Desperado just kinda insane

[wet heath]

Crowbar is just perma locked into Can Opener

[steep vale]

this is the current loadout i just wanted to try out shiv and crowbar

[cobalt valley]

Running the needle pistol with Run N Gun and Stripped Down as a support weapon for melee build. What perks should I run? I currently have reload speed and + stam for quality of life but was wondering if there's something better.

[wet heath]

So hard locked it should be base kit imo

[manic kraken]

ok so

i think im cooking

[charred bronze]

blunt end light spam for hordes, chisel end light spam for armor and bosses (with heavies when safe)

[placid drum]

Switch out refined for shock n awe for more cleave id say

[steep vale]

i have infinite cleave

i do not need more cleave

[brittle sierra]

take shred and shoack/awe

[drifting heron]

Shock and awe is a hit mass reduction it stacks multiplicatively with cleave

[terse creek]

I get why run crit but def an odd choice overall

[timid acorn]

i really dont know why i dislike the dual autos, they just feel super unwieldy

[brittle sierra]

what, cleaver has really bad cleave

[steep vale]

rampage

[manic kraken]

i think you lads can see where this is going

[steep vale]

and my stimm

[brittle sierra]

it doesn't matter the more cleave you have the cleaver, the more enemies you can hit and apply the dot

[terse creek]

A trolling build

[frigid basalt]

Swap out sustain for pinning

[manic kraken]

p much

[frigid basalt]

Sustain sucks

[frigid sluice]

whats your favorite personality

[frigid basalt]

Scottish

[lyric shuttle]

Perks for needle pistol???

[frigid sluice]

idk what fits best with a carnival barkeep

[alpine hazel]

it's pretty god awful in practice

[manic kraken]

why so

[frigid sluice]

I don't see that option

[lyric shuttle]

No idea what to pick for needle pistol

[steep vale]

male anarchist

[frigid basalt]

For needle pistol just run utility stuff

[alpine hazel]

the animation for the crate randomly cancels so you stand there with the crate out. also the crate lasts SUPER long so it will never pop where you want it

[terse creek]

That’s a troll question, right? Cause should be obvious as hell

[lyric shuttle]

Like what? The perks dont look very useful

[manic kraken]

no not really i actually wanted to know why

[charred bronze]

carapace and unyielding. Great boss damage, takes down crushers with around 4 shots on damnation. Haven't tested how much shots are necessary on auric+

[manic kraken]

even with the 5 secs thing?

[lyric shuttle]

Yea thats what im running but I mean perks

[alpine hazel]

yes

[brittle sierra]

those are the perks

[alpine hazel]

auric is the same as damnation. and you only need 3

[lyric shuttle]

Like masteries

[amber sundial]

chem tox uses whatever weapon you're holding out so you dont even need dmg perks on needler

[lyric shuttle]

Then

[frigid basalt]

Run and gun, stripped down

[frigid sluice]

is there a optimal melee combo guide out yet

[wet heath]

Not sure perks affect chem toxin itself

[terse creek]

Had the animation issue happen to me today, holy hell, had to play dance revolution for a couple of seconds

[ripe seal]

ghost/stripped down are nice on hte needle gun for avoiding damage,

[barren pebble]

YOOO already rolled the 0% damage crowbar

[manic kraken]

what a shame and here i thought i had a fun build

[barren pebble]

safety tools

[lyric shuttle]

Ill try run and gun and stripped down

[manic kraken]

well ill use it for the deploy x number of crats

[charred bronze]

I'll check in the psychanium rq

[terse creek]

Funnily enough, those are bad perks cause with a good scum build, you would technically want to be shot by range enemies from time to time

[lucid raptor]

fatshark pls let curios stop being rng i beg

pls obese megalodon

[wet heath]

I know blessings only affect needles, not the DoT, wonder if that is the case with perks

[ripe seal]

they're very conditional effects so you do have some control on when they trigger, and i think overall they're still the most useful tools to have in your kit with the other options the gun has

[manic wolf]

Burster'd by a level 38 Vet into Rodin's carpet of gas mines ¬.¬ Cant write this shit

[barren pebble]

yeah baby...

[candid flax]

oh wow Tanner released a based review of the hive scum

[near vapor]

another Tanner slopviewer..

[glacial gyro]

name it pool noodle

[candid flax]

I generally am not

[terse creek]

You aren’t wrong, however, I’d swap ghost for RnG, cause this gun needs anything to help with the horrible spread it has

[candid flax]

However I've been going thru scum reviews just to see if I'm the only one thinking it's jank

[charred bronze]

full 6 rounds to body yielded 570 damage a tick with car/uny. Gonna swap and check again

[frigid basalt]

It is jank

But it's good fun and pretty strong

[lethal quartz]

this class is the greatest gift to heavy sword enjoyers

[candid flax]

Maybe if it had AN answer to carapace, I'd say it's pretty strong. Not to say that it's weak. It just is, right now

[barren pebble]

i have a 0 damage power sword named The Hero's Blade lol

[candid flax]

having no answer to carapace other than the combat knife feels yuck

[placid drum]

Yea its a character you need to actually focus with

[mint fable]

Does anyone have any tips for the Adrenaline Frenzy penance?

[frigid basalt]

Bonesaw

[glacial gyro]

needle pistol

or rending stim

[barren pebble]

play high difficulty so theres lots of enemies to get stacks from

[wet heath]

Weakspot kills modifier

[clever wren]

Rashad even

[placid drum]

Rampage build with it mixed in

[near vapor]

well the class demands actual thought xd

[candid flax]

Good luck with your needle pistol when they're dropping 6 crushers and a bunch of warks on you

[frigid basalt]

Heavy sword

[near vapor]

its not like arbys where you just casually tanks an overhead

[glacial gyro]

its been working for me

[charred bronze]

456 damage a tick to body on auric crusher without carapace or unyielding

the Perk definitely has an effect on tick damage

[barren pebble]

legit needle pistol is pretty cracked

[forest escarp]

strollin through tertium with an infinite ammo double barrel like im that superhero guy with the laser eyes who kills people

[terse creek]

6 crushers ain’t difficult at all, one or two warks do complicate things tho

[forest escarp]

shazap or whatever

[candid flax]

needle pistol is really strong, yeah. Just wish its blessings weren't all just a waste

[muted nova]

I stand corrected, there's a new version on nexus put up today!

[charred bronze]

run n gun is useful for stability

ghost or whatever else is useful for mobility

[clever wren]

Hot Shot for collaterals I guess

[placid drum]

6 crushers meet my brittle bonesaw

[barren pebble]

run n gun + stripped down is nice for utility yeah

[near vapor]

is numeric ui updated

[ripe seal]

hot shot should give it a bit more use if you're shooting it in hordes to proc the boom

[barren pebble]

run around with it ignoring bullets and plinking enemies

[barren pebble]

i do not understand the boom

i havent used it in meat grinder does it just do some damage to nearby enemies when they die

[spark gyro]

Will update when an inconvenience presents itself

[wet heath]

No, but there is temp fix in modders discord

[near vapor]

its bleak

[candid flax]

^ it's also mentioned a lot in the comments on vortex

[near vapor]

I dont want to go there

[forest escarp]

i can dm you weird suspicious files if youd prefer

[candid flax]

check the comments in the vortex page to get the fixed files

[lethal quartz]

hit 6 random chaff in a horde, if they die soon enoujgh together then suddenly there's either 6 staggering explosionsin that horde or there's 6 stacks of toxin distritubted in that horde

[forest escarp]

(works on my machine)

[barren pebble]

oh it spreads the tox? thats p good

[timid acorn]

for a chem bleed build on shiv what would be the blessings i use?

[candid flax]

honestly still precog riposte

[wet heath]

Bleed on crit + precog?

[lethal quartz]

one mark applies a staggering explosion on victim's death the other applies 1 stack of toxin in aoe on death

[placid drum]

Riposte and flesh tearer

[forest escarp]

i run combat blade instead of shiv because being able to disrespect things with the punch is more important to me than whatever silly nonsense shiv has over it

[lethal quartz]

even if the toxin from the initial shot fades, the special shot's effect still happens on death

[forest escarp]

and also uncanny isnt nerfed on knife ||yet|| ^:)

[candid flax]

combat blade is also just simply better 🥲

[charred bronze]

noted. I was using all 6 needles to get max tick damage to confirm whether carapace affects tick damage (it does, 570 with, 456 without, 25% increase exactly)

[barren pebble]

they need to even out uncanny, either let shiv be a monster like the rest or make some of the bad at armor weapons actually bad at armor

[lethal quartz]

the min/max skill floor/ceiling of needle pistol involves getting a feel for how many shots is "just" enough to kill a particular target

[candid flax]

yeah let shiv be a monster bc it's a class unique

[lethal quartz]

and managing your desire to kill things faster but spend more ammo

[placid drum]

Yea but Combat blade feels more boring then shivs

[charred bronze]

yup

[candid flax]

it should at least be on par with combat knife while then also having the stronger special

[lethal quartz]

or be patient and let the needle pistol's ammo efficiency show its true value

[timid acorn]

is maxed out chems good on chem dependency?

[north plank]

leveling up needle pistol makes me miss a gun that shoots a guy dead

[charred bronze]

but sometimes you need shit to die now, and 6 needles has a much faster ttk, ticks only start to drop off right before death

[north plank]

Good gun but have simpler tastes

[dawn portal]

What does the dual part of the dual shivs do? Is it just a look thing?

[clever wren]

Problem is people already don't take weapons that are bad at armor, even if they're great otherwise, even if their class has other ways to deal

[last marsh]

anyone wanna do some damnation

[charred bronze]

actually 5 is optimal for fast death, 3 for min needles

[wet heath]

Depends if you need it and your stimm cd is low

[forest escarp]

i should be able to shoot my weapon while eaten by a beast of nurgle
let me reenact men in black

[charred bronze]

5 will yield max damage ticks, 3 will dot a crusher fully to death

[barren pebble]

why would you when half the weapons get to ignore their weaknesses lol

[candid flax]

run a low enough viscosity stim and yeah

just don't run a full 75s cooldown stimm and you should be aight

[timid acorn]

so prolly just the strength one that gives CC?

[barren pebble]

i run a mixed strength and speed stim that doesnt cap either

50% viscosity

or like 53%

[candid flax]

yep same for me

[mighty belfry]

I legit can't let go of needle pistol with ammo aura. Ridiculously comfy with how efficient it is.

[timid acorn]

i should run slash shivs right?

[mighty belfry]

Needle pistol is probably one of my favorite weapons in the entire game rn

[placid drum]

I seen alot of folks and myself not really picking up the node in chemical dependcy that makes it 4 stacks but 60 seconds

[barren pebble]

i havent really experimented with shivs 3 since very low level i should give them another go now that i have actual numbers

[candid flax]

i've been running with the akimbo autopistols, while it's not as strong as the needle pistol, it's way more fun

[mental igloo]

gonna be a sad day when pickpocket gets nerfed and I can't run around needling everybody with microplastics without caring about ammo

[candid flax]

i'd pick ammo aura if the nodes above it weren't complete ass

[barren pebble]

only really useful if you're running a super low viscosity stim for the purpose of the keystone

[candid flax]

feels like i'm forced to take the crit aura bc the rest in that middle part is kinda cheeks

[wet heath]

Just use Pickpocket

[candid flax]

i do

[lethal quartz]

I was so happy when they announced that was gonna be a weapon internally when tests first started for Hive Scum

it's a weapon that I've always wanted implemented from 40k

[charred bronze]

so messing around in auric psychanium, every 'tough' elite dies in 2 needles. Ogryns need 3
All specials except mutie and dog die in one needle. Dog needs 3, mutie needs 2 (like the ragers)

[wet heath]

Why would you need ammo aura then

[candid flax]

because it gives ammo to allies

and 5% CC is ass

but at least the nodes before it is good

[wet heath]

You can just not pick up ammo thanks to pickpocket

[muted heath]

not doing crit but going for the most atk speed on fanning revolver desperado as possible I call the fastest stimm pipe in the west build

As we know, hive scum never runs out of ammo

[wet heath]

You get 2 mags back on elite kill with autopistols

[mint fable]

Is there a melee that helps with Adrenaline penance

[sand tendon]

is dodge recovery not good enough?

[mighty belfry]

I was admittedly underwhelmed at first until I realized how you're actually supposed to use it and realized "wait this is actually kinda busted"

[broken bear]

its good lol

[wet heath]

Shivs?

[candid flax]

ehh

[thorny ginkgo]

stim crate is 10x better than desperado and rampage offensively and it’s not even close

[broken bear]

bait used to be believable

[bronze glade]

How lol

[wet heath]

Poor bait

[placid drum]

Bait

[charred bronze]

I think ifuver is assuming your whole team will be standing on it?

[candid flax]

yes but stimm crate has anti synergy with chem dependancy and its the best capstone we got by a mile

[wet heath]

Nvm he got baited

[bronze glade]

I’d like him to explain

[lavish parrot]

What are the good perks for the bonesaw and the crowbar? Flakiac as usual?

[placid drum]

Desperado is most likely the strongest ability

[barren pebble]

im gonna level crowbar for a bit even though i suspect i wont like it, what do people run? take a swing? can opener?

[thorny ginkgo]

Stim crate+chem depend= unlimited kills

[wet heath]

Ehhhhh

[candid flax]

only because of the anti synergy that stimm crate has with chem dependancy

[lavish parrot]

Superiority + Can Opener/Opportunist

opportunist is probably stronger

[placid drum]

Simply because ranged enemies fear you and you can rush through firing line

[charred bronze]

given that desperado provides offense, defense, and resource efficiency? Yes, it's extremely good. Probably the best keystone

[barren pebble]

rampage you can kinda go crazy with but desperado has so much going for it

[charred bronze]

crit wasn't doing anything for needle toxins in my testing fwiw

[woeful hill]

crit applies 2 debuffs

[brittle sierra]

nah this is a random person

[placid drum]

Makes a gunner canga line free stacks

[candid flax]

no they don't. it only applies to the needle's own damage (the 33 base)

but all blessings on the needle pistol are trash

so save your resources kekw

[thorny ginkgo]

PSA the scoreboard mod doesn’t show crit hits for the autopistols !!

[high gull]

Nice to see you interacting with the local wildlife

[low harbor]

the lvling experience for hvs is the worst of all classes
with that said the full kit u get at lv30+ is fairly strong and is top3 class easily

[mighty belfry]

How dare you say that about run n gun

[thorny ginkgo]

leveling on the first day was terrible

[candid flax]

top 3 is wild when we've got ogryn vet psyker

[low harbor]

run&gun on needle pistol genuinely doesn't matter that much

[low harbor]

hvs can 1 hit kill 4 ragers per light atk

think again

[thorny ginkgo]

best classes ranked best to worse

1. hivescum
2. zealot
3. ogryn
4. vet
5. psyker

[candid flax]

is that your only criterium

[mighty belfry]

Neither do the others but I can sprint and shoot so points for aura.

[charred bronze]

the -30 spread from run n gun is at least useful, and there may be times you can benefit from Stripped Down might be useful. I'm probably going to swap it for speedload though

[candid flax]

as a zealot one trick I'm humbled you put zlt on #2 but it's really not.

[muted heath]

Smoke Krak grenades and you can be this beautiful

[broken bear]

its like watching the special needs kids beat their teacher

[low harbor]

no, but this is an extremely high dps class that's not to be underestimated

[charred bronze]

since getting stuck reloading the needler is bad

[low harbor]

this class puts out melee dps martyrdom zealot wishes it had

[candid flax]

but it's useless against carapace 🥲

so that dps kinda falls off

[low harbor]

it's not tho u can 3 hit crushers

without crit

[candid flax]

meanwhile zealot, psyker or anyone using a dueling sword just melt them

[mighty belfry]

Why are we lying about this carapace thing

[placid drum]

Rampage with bonesaw purple juice

[low harbor]

with crit + hyperviolence u could even 1 tap if u roll lucky enough on horde composition

[north meteor]

I miss when I could swing my melee three times and have my holy relic back up

[thorny ginkgo]

i’m joking but best class to me is psyker

[charred bronze]

needler is excellent vs carapace and uny. I don't know what desperado does about that

tox grenade is good vs everything

[candid flax]

Yeah I'm tempted to agree. Bubble and undisputably the highest DPS in the game rn

[charred bronze]

since needler isn't an optimal desperado weapon

[thorny ginkgo]

i have proof that this class isn’t useless against carapace

[low harbor]

he's prob levelling

[barren pebble]

the infinite ammo isnt terrible but yeah much better choices to desperado with

[mighty belfry]

Rampage shivs can demolish crushers like its nobodies business lol

[placid drum]

I will always say ogyrn is best class because of rock and slaps

[thorny ginkgo]

look at my first psyker game on after playing nothing but hvs lmao, i took a lot of damage but its wtv

[low harbor]

levelling hvs was pretty miserable cuz u have below avg weapons + doing mastery at same time (no full unlocks)

[mighty belfry]

Or they listened to Darktide's Voldermort

[low harbor]

shivs starting out at 4 light hit to kill 1 single dreg bruiser on uprising was smth I did not think I'd need to know

wow that was truly ass

[bronze glade]

and this is why i power leveled all the HIV weapons

[thorny ginkgo]

scum made me lose my muscle memory for psyker smh

[woeful trellis]

when leveling a new class i always see if rashad is equippable...

[thorny ginkgo]

this was inferno with shriek though

[woeful trellis]

then i p2w the weapon mastery after 30 levels of oneshotting all trash

[torpid cloud]

Shivs on melee scum do work holy hell

[candid flax]

only 890K damage 😭

[thorny ginkgo]

i was playing like shi

[rough peak]

Despite having the special stim on this class, I keep forgetting to use the stim, I'm not even level 10 yet tho so it's not like I'm doing anything too difficult yet

[low harbor]

rashad is basically the best hvs melee

[woeful trellis]

i believe it

[low harbor]

I don't think anything comes even close to it atm

[candid flax]

You'll get used to it. Also could recommend getting the stimm reminder mod

[thorny ginkgo]

i played inferno psyker like rampage scum 😂

[high gull]

When we running those games

[rough peak]

I did at least get my dual autopistols up to 300 for the rating :3

[mint fable]

What blessings to put in Shivs?

[charred bronze]

someone beat you on disablers.

[mint fable]

Bleed and rend?

[candid flax]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/653?tab=description
Use this

[low harbor]

uncanny flesh

[barren pebble]

thats a mod i was just thinking should exist lol

[high gull]

blend

[candid flax]

flesh tearer 🚮

[thorny ginkgo]

those poxbursters were driving me crazy

[barren pebble]

its SO hard to see the bar on the stim even when its in the middle

[hot ice]

that should be apart of the game no mod needed.

[charred bronze]

needle them and run

[mighty belfry]

Flesh tearer not good on scum

[low harbor]

riposte instead?

[mighty belfry]

Ye

[low harbor]

cool I'll change later

[rough peak]

That would be useful, I'll get that. That way I at least know the cd, when I do start using it x.x

[mighty belfry]

Flesh just doesn't synergize well with the class

[candid flax]

it also has the option to give you a notification at the right side of your screen when it goes off cd

[mighty belfry]

Since a lot of its damage juice is purely melee

[bronze glade]

wait why

[low harbor]

I was playing just rashad after I did the masteries and man it mogs literally every other melee the class has access to

[mighty belfry]

At least on shivs

[placid drum]

Yea you sorta already can take coated weapons while using shivs

[broken bear]

im down for whenever

[mighty belfry]

Because a lot of damage juicing is purely melee

[high gull]

I got a burrito on the way, I can invite then

[thorny ginkgo]

wait

[low harbor]

crowbar vs rashad was like coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb it's sad

[bronze glade]

yes but you also get a bunch of cleave, and FT is mostly to help with horde clear

[charred bronze]

are most mods gtg now?

[broken bear]

kk just lmk and ill hop in vc

[low harbor]

I feel they balanced both shiv and crowbar for rampage

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. It can do that well enough without honestly.

[candid flax]

oh yeah i haven't played a lot with rampage

[high gull]

Damn bruh you want to talk to....

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-ughh-oh-boy-tired-lazy-gif-13987646

[woeful hill]

talk tuah....

[thorny ginkgo]

try it its fun, but desperado i agree with you

[candid flax]

yep. dmf and mod loader had a fix like 2 days ago and numeric ui requires a community fix (in the comments of the vortex page) but all mods are gtg now

[charred bronze]

spamming lights with the crowbar is delightful. Were you trying to use heavies?

[bronze glade]

it can, but i think FT genuinely has good synergy with HIV cleave bonuses

[broken bear]

idk dawg i dont talk to ppl often so

[woeful trellis]

i just realized that 1 needler shot will basically turn off rotten armor when it next shows up in havoc because with 25% carapace, 15% elite on tree and 10% toxin you get ~500dps from 6 stack chem tox for 2s, which is enough to take a h40 crusher to 90% hp where it loses its 75% DR, then it's only ~3% tankier than a normal crusher

[bronze glade]

even if HIV doesn't get many bonuses for DOT damage

[broken bear]

like argus i do this all day

[low harbor]

light spam on rashad killing 4 ragers per swing is more delightful

[patent bone]

Just found out Lady Steel and The Host are 'close friends'

[broken bear]

aint hiv all dot damage....

[thorny ginkgo]

warhammer 2 was my first ever warhammer game,

[mighty belfry]

It probably works a lot better with combat knife admittedly

[bronze glade]

has a lot of it, but few ways to actually buff the dots besides stacking more

[thorny ginkgo]

3 is good i havent played in a min

[charred bronze]

only need 5 shots, 6th won't affect anything except keep the dot going longer at max damage, which isn't needed on crushers

[woeful trellis]

nah i mean you tag each of them with a single needle

[low harbor]

insane stim crate + tox blackout value then lmao

[woeful trellis]

then they effectively become a normal crusher to all other weapons

[low harbor]

shame stim crate's gimmick doesn't work

[broken bear]

joke is over ur head

[charred bronze]

oh, why is that?

[candid flax]

whats the dump stat on auto pistols? I've been dumping collateral

[low harbor]

dual autos or dual 1911s

[candid flax]

err

dual auto

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/dang-bro-you-got-the-whole-squad-laughing-gif-23906552

[low harbor]

dump mob prob

[supple torrent]

does hypercrit mess with anything other than precision violence?

[placid drum]

Chem grenades are good but pocket toxins blinders are better

[low harbor]

collat helps with stagger accumulation given its 25r/s firerate

[candid flax]

but before you stagger they're usually alr dead anyways

or close to dead

[low harbor]

rot armor's DR scales based on hp lvl

[low harbor]

with max collat I think u can stagger ragers given enough shots

[woeful trellis]

cuz rotten armor DR is a step function - 75% DR over 90% hp, 50% DR between 75% and 90% hp, 25% DR between 50% and 75% hp, and -25% DR below 50% hp

so if you do the math it adds up to like 143%? 148%? tankier than a normal crusher, but if you look at the step function 40% of that is concentrated in the first 10% hp

and chem tox ignores DR so it can do the first 10% of a h40 crusher's hp (1k) with a single shot

[manic wolf]

Chainsword Scummer? Pretttty fuckin good

[charred bronze]

oh nice, soften them up with needlers and they get way more manageable

[woeful trellis]

yeah

[worn gull]

After a few days, I think I can safely say scum is my favorite class and I'll probably main it after they fix all the bugs and the problems on the right tree

[woeful trellis]

you can also just magdump them to kill them like normal crushers, because needler kills rotten armor crushers as fast as normal crushers

[charred bronze]

that's delightful

[candid flax]

if they take some of the jank out of the skill tree then yeah I might consider maining scum. But I'm probably going back to zealot for the most part

[charred bronze]

I liked the crowbar better. Similar vs hordes, better vs armor

[low harbor]

wats the jank with hvs tree

[charred bronze]

was surprised by how much fun I had with it

[ebon violet]

How does one manage the mush of this character

Even muties down me

Dogs

[low harbor]

the only real gripe I have with hvs tree besides hypercrit instakill bugging out precision violence is that sample collector is too deep to grab

the rest seem fine idk

[ebon violet]

Anything

[manic wolf]

Yeah, the 'Bar is pretty fun, but i've always had a soft spot for the Chainsword aha, but its nice that most, if not all of Scummer's arsenal is viable in one way or another

[charred bronze]

melee immune slide, move and dodge constantly, situational awareness. Don't get into positions where you can't dodge

[worn gull]

The right side keystone and ability don't work together

[low harbor]

yea right, forgot

but tbh u can do adrenaline and be mostly ok

adrenaline is better anyway

[worn gull]

yeah that doesn't speak to the tree not being jank

[low harbor]

I think dependency needs like, refresh stim on ability finishing CD

[worn gull]

Lot of things are just not good options, bugged, antisynergy. Would really like another pass on that skill tree

[sinful matrix]

I'm fine with sample collector being where it is. It's an INSTAGRAB SUPER STRONG talent, and should require investment to get to

[worn gull]

I'd say the right side needs one urgently...

[charred bronze]

also, Tis But a Scratch, Burst of Energy, and Hive City Brawler are excellent survivability pick ups. You gotta avoid incidental hits though, the class is not forgiving.

[worn gull]

If you're going desperado an Inspiring Barrage blessing makes it a lot more cozy

[low harbor]

it's strong but it's not worth 3 points

[candid flax]

• vulture's mark barely provides anything that desperado doesn't already provide
• stimm crate doesn't apply chem dependancy but still puts your stimm on cd
• hyper critical fully breaks the melee toughness regen node up top
• stamina on dodge is pretty much negligible with the class's 2 stam/sec passive
• adrenaline frenzy's sub nodes feel weird

[low harbor]

agree with first 4

not sure abt 5th tho

wats weird abt it

[thorny ginkgo]

hmm should i play my desperado or rampage build

[charred bronze]

yeah, it's weird how many of them are about proccing it, and not so many about making it more gooder when it does proc

different from most keystones that way

[worn gull]

Oh and the 'more str when you have less remaining stamin' on the crowbar feels impossible to use. I can spam shove block for like 10 seconds to get to low stam but it's all recovered by the time I've gotten to swing with the crowbar

But I guess this is a game with like 75% useless blessings anyway

[sinful matrix]

I like that you can take both Assassin and Smiter under Adrenaline Frenzy

when they read as mutually exclusive

[low harbor]

AoN blessing itself needs a rework

[charred bronze]

I count that as a defensive talent, and never expect to get a single % of damage out of it tbh

[low harbor]

I guess? but u usually don't need both

just either is enough

[candid flax]

oh and the bazooka really needs more AoE bc right now all it's good for is killing bosses

[thorny ginkgo]

for adrenaline frenzy you need smiter

[charred bronze]

I found smiter way better than assassin

[thorny ginkgo]

you activate frenzy way faster with kills than melee hits

[low harbor]

not always the case but the killing blow one is usually the better upgrade

[candid flax]

especially with good cleave yep

[manic kernel]

The part before the first toughness talent is a point tax outside ranged hive scum. Untouchable, moving target, calling for time out are useless for melee.

[charred bronze]

I actually noticed a difference when I specced out of untouchable

[amber sundial]

untouchable barely provides any value afaik

[charred bronze]

seemed to me I had more freedom of movement in the battle space with it, got hemmed in less

[candid flax]

moving target would be sick if we had a flamer

but otherwise i don't see why i'd ever take it

[low harbor]

untouchable is like
what if we took vet's skirmisher pre-7th-buff
and make it be a non-transparent effect that maybe 7 people in the entire DT community understand how it works

[amber sundial]

i take moving target just to avoid untouchable

[charred bronze]

it's not a good talent, mind you, just saying I noticed the difference when I played with it and without it

and I preferred it to moving target

I'm sure it'd be different at havoc where you're surrounded on all sides at all times or something

[bronze glade]

the pathing here is so ass

and here, but mostly because hypercrit is bugged rn

[limber cradle]

The only node I really like is extra gun dodge ngl

[broken bear]

ammo clip lowk great

[low harbor]

emphasis here on "pre-7th-buff"

[amber sundial]

i dont get why the close dmg node doesnt path left and right tbh

[bronze glade]

it's the one i path to

[candid flax]

how so? that part isn't that bad?

[bronze glade]

would make it feel a lot better

[acoustic quail]

what should i put into the crowbar
i have these blessings bcs of the chem on crits node, and co for carapace

[limber cradle]

I am infact dodgemaxxing

[candid flax]

unload is good for ranged and for melee just take the AS and maybe weakspot dmg

[bronze glade]

ammo jack and unload are both mid

[low harbor]

15% mag size is a pretty meh talent for most guns

[limber cradle]

Unload feels meh

[candid flax]

yeah fair mag size is basically point tax

[charred bronze]

can opener is great with chisel end light spam on armor/monsters. Safe output

[bronze glade]

but you have to taket hem to avoid the extremely broken hypercrit

[thorny ginkgo]

thoughts on battering strikes or battering momentum with rashad?

[bronze glade]

obviously pickpocket is broken (good)

[drowsy relic]

the crate with chem dependancy is gonna be really good when they're fixed

[low harbor]

when hypercrit gets fixed to not break precision violence that part would be peak

[candid flax]

also IMO fast acting stimms is a point tax

because why would you ever not run it

who tf is gonna keep standing in the circle

[low harbor]

it is

[bronze glade]

i guess for really uncoordinated pub teams that don't realize there's a stimm crate dropped...

but yeah otherwise it's borderline mandatory

esp with how fucking tiny the radius is

[low harbor]

I think dependency needs to refresh stim on ability CD finishing

saves 1 point from praticed deployment

[bronze glade]

that would make it feel a lot better

[low harbor]

and makes CD rate meaningful on that side of tree

[candid flax]

however ig i don't exactly mind that one being point tax bc most classes have mandatory pickups on their ability

[bronze glade]

because rn it feels like the cd is tied to the stimm

not the ult

[low harbor]

both rampage and stim crate are functionally 4 point spec atm

1 ability itself, 3 in subnodes

[manic kernel]

Going for chemical dependancy also sucks since the talents to get to it are just not that good.

Loose formation, sample collector, extra pouches are not good.

Pocket toxin can have an anti-synergy with extra pouches. Depending on blitz.

[candid flax]

yeah it is pretty damn expensive

[bronze glade]

i mean rampage subnodes

are actually pretty insane

[drowsy relic]

I'll disagree with sample collector but agree with the rest

[candid flax]

extra pouches is great?

[bronze glade]

stimm supply subnodes are mostly just taxes

[limber cradle]

Double shout on rampage is nuts

Like rampage has at least 2 nodes i will run everytime

[manic kernel]

Compared to a blitz upgrade on any other class its mediocre,.

[limber cradle]

And the cleave node with stacking power I'm probably taking anyway

[low harbor]

yea but chem nade giga op

+1 for it is notable

[twilit sleet]

Is this class free or behind a paywall like the dredd one

[bronze glade]

yeah chem nade's pretty dumb

[bronze glade]

dlc, paid

[limber cradle]

Chem nade dumb but I still somehow prefer blinders tbh

[twilit sleet]

Damn

[limber cradle]

Honestly the only thing I dislike is the rocket

[candid flax]

ig extra pouches is cheeks if you are running blackout and then it can feel really weird ig ig

[bronze glade]

blackouts are incredible too

[candid flax]

but chem nade is insanely OP

[burnt barn]

Best trashclearing melee for this class? I got rashad and it feels too slow tbh, anything faster?

[low harbor]

wats ur build

[drowsy relic]

It needs a regen

of some kind

[manic wolf]

Yeah this, more charges and a means to regenerate charges

[flint granite]

Bonesaw horde clear feels amazing but that's just with a build around it specifically for me

[barren pebble]

got asked "whats the final wave" in mortis before the person managed to get netted 6 times in a row i think i need to give up on saving people if they're going down fast

[burnt barn]

nothing yet since i'm not lvl 30, do some melees depend on some nodes?

[drowsy relic]

Sometimes fatshark places you there with one purpose

save those bastards

[low harbor]

get swift endurance + adrenaline frenzy with adrenaline smiter if u can

helps a lot for rashad

also rampage obv

[barren pebble]

we lost because i couldnt spend the time killing maulers lol

shoulda just let them die and gone on with my day

[mint fable]

Man, I am so squishy

Even with all the toughness stacks

[candid flax]

Yeah barely any TDR really makes the difference

[barren pebble]

i ended up getting packed in by maulers so i couldnt dodge a net then the person who finally tried to come over got instantly netted and the last guy was fighting a daemonhost so he was kinda busy

[candid flax]

that's where blackout nades come in clutch

[barren pebble]

wonderful to play on dlc launches and free weekends

[amber sundial]

theres so many things i wanna do on this class but im worrying about penances

[barren pebble]

i was also trying the dual stub pistols what the fuck are they for

they're barely more accurate than the autopistols

[candid flax]

they're for leveling 😂

they fall off extremely hard after heresy

[barren pebble]

i was having the problem that on carnival mortis snipers will be 40 meters away and they have an effective range of like 20

[frigid sluice]

This might be the first class where I saw a horde and swapped to my ranged weapon

[thorny ginkgo]

does the rashad crit a lot on a pure melee build?

[supple torrent]

Does anyone know how hypercrit interacts with hyperviolence? Would it just turn it off?

[candid flax]

never played recon lasgun i see

[barren pebble]

desperadoing down hordes with the dual autos is so much fun

[amber sundial]

hypercrit makes you deal 0 overkill dmg

essentially ruins hyperviolence

(and percision violence)

[frigid sluice]

I played all 4 base classes as melee classes with a ranged weapon for primarily special sniping

didn't like recon lasgun

prefer bullets over lasers

no I'm stupid

[woeful hill]

recon is just okay, doesn't do much very well

[barren pebble]

recon lasgun on horde you're going to be a massive ammo vacuum but if no one else wants to shoot its fine

[woeful hill]

its hard to like

[supple torrent]

Thanks for the info. gosh thats a bummer

[candid flax]

i getcha. I'm a zealot one trick and ranged really just exists for sniping specials as if i'm playing vermintide

[burnt barn]

so is there not a better option for hivescum? Just a way to make rashad better?

[barren pebble]

the beautiful thing about desperado is the infinite ammo means you really can just HOSE down the hordes

[thorny ginkgo]

recon goes crazy with gun psyker

[vale garden]

I caved and bought the hood, pretty happy with the result

[low harbor]

rashad is the best melee weapon on hvs

[candid flax]

and being able to use it with 0 ammo in reserves and pickpocket still giving you the 2 mags

[vale garden]

Slashy shivs would like to have a word

[barren pebble]

rashad has been goated for like 2 years now

[thorny ginkgo]

should i take coated weaponry with it on my pure melee build

[low harbor]

nah

[thorny ginkgo]

ight

[vale garden]

shivs yes, others probably not

[thorny ginkgo]

thanks

[manic wolf]

Chainsword is good with it

[low harbor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515648206512168/1446252573769072681/IMG_4206.png?ex=6935f22b&is=6934a0ab&hm=ccdf6bae94794267bb839eee00f034ba7c406ca55f3f0dbc6ae4a557cd070539&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=354&height=648

[vale garden]

Oh yeah I could see that

[candid flax]

not taking these 2 is wild

jittery doesn't work with dodge slides so it's pretty broken rn

[manic wolf]

Well worth playing, Ive run a few games with it now an between the potential cleave and attack speed bonus'/Hyperviolence it fucking slaps man

[patent bone]

It works amazingly to taking down groups of gunners too

[barren pebble]

yeah you can just go crazy

[low harbor]

don't rly need them tbh

[novel quest]

don't you just love it when your game goes VWgtb2ghIFNwYWdoZXR0aS1vaCE=

[bronze glade]

why?

[obsidian crown]

Until randos get too crazy shooting bursters and barrels

[bronze glade]

cheap shots is kinda crap too

[barren pebble]

i had some dipshit a few days ago act like i was playing bad standing out in gunner space like i wasnt immune to bullets and killing them all

[thorny ginkgo]

is there a limit for cleave % from talents

[manic wolf]

Its got like one niche an thats 'Bar heavies on beaky mode

[vale garden]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a088634b-9ae8-412b-851f-0df3e049a2f3

Thats what Im running

[barren pebble]

i like the crowbar better than i thought probably never going to use the stub pistols again

[vale garden]

If you want to try slashy shivs, Id recommend something like this

[manic wolf]

Oh lets go, 420 17% toughie curio

[novel quest]

you Can have both of them at the same time yanno

that's why there's a gun slot

[bronze glade]

yeah that's prob the main use for it, and blinder knocked down enemies

[novel quest]

and a melee slot

[barren pebble]

yeah. i know. i tried both last run. the stub pistols are dogshit

[novel quest]

WHAT

[barren pebble]

use any other gun

[thorny ginkgo]

please tell me there’s no hard percentage cap on cleave

[novel quest]

the stubs are good asf

[bronze glade]

ehhh

[mint fable]

Man, trying to grind penances as Hive Scum makes me hate noobs who shoot at pox exploder more

[novel quest]

I'm playing auric maelstrom too

[barren pebble]

if you dont need to do damage or hit enemies that are far away

[novel quest]

wym ehhh💔

[bronze glade]

they're finesse weapons that you can't ADS on

that automatically makes them mid

[barren pebble]

with terrible accuracy!

[mint fable]

I found stub pistols really good

[novel quest]

are we playing the same game

they have good accuracy

[mint fable]

They're more accurate than dual autoguns

[vale garden]

They probably dont know about the specials on the stubs

[mint fable]

I use dual pistols the most

[bronze glade]

if only

[barren pebble]

the dual autoguns are literal hose weapons

ofc they're not accurate

[candid flax]

I'd change this, 10% stam on dodge is a pretty garbage talent

[lime copper]

What do we think of the bonesaw?

[novel quest]

with insane recoil and horrendous far range effectiveness

[novel quest]

good

[barren pebble]

yes!

[novel quest]

solid weapon

[candid flax]

It's pretty good, just wish dot kills still work with blackout

[barren pebble]

the dual autoguns are for unloading at close range they have a niche

[novel quest]

and the stub pistols do those aspects way better

[vale garden]

Im only running it cause of this. Probably should switch though

[novel quest]

so why are you calling them inaccurate

[thorny ginkgo]

the rashad go crazy with hella cleave lmfao

[barren pebble]

because compared to any other gun that wants to shoot weakspots or enemies more than 10 meters away they're terribly inaccurate

[tepid elk]

i use run and gun mind you, but I haven't had issues with inaccuracy

[vale garden]

Yeah you know what I think you're right

Im gonna swap it

[manic wolf]

Press special action key and enjoy pinpoint accuracy at any range. Stubbies are best bois

[fading sun]

okay but have they turned off burster noises or something because the amount of them im just popping by accident has been wild

like theyre just mixed in with the poxwalkers not making any noise

[barren pebble]

is that what the special does

[manic wolf]

Lmao, yes

[thorny ginkgo]

the dopamine you get from playing desperado or rampage is crazy

[novel quest]

yeah makes your next shot pinpoint accurate

[tepid elk]

Improved finesse damage and perfect accuracy for a shot iirc

[novel quest]

it can one shot snipers too

[novel quest]

yep

[manic wolf]

Press special action key, then hit fire, bang, the sniper evaporates

[barren pebble]

classic fatshark tooltip

[candid flax]

the only use case i might put out for 10% stam on dodge is if you play knife and you spam PA and dodges, bc dodging puts a cooldown on passive stamina regen. But scum has the highest stam regen in the game (2 per sec) so you really don't need it

[manic wolf]

Hell, you can one shot Flamers, Bombers and Gunners with it

Gunners need a crit tho

[novel quest]

yeah

[barren pebble]

i guess i'll try them again but they still give me "why not needle pistol"

[manic wolf]

Like the Stubs are fucking based

[novel quest]

it's really effective

[thorny ginkgo]

is it weird to run needle over stubs on a pure melee build

[candid flax]

stubs carry a huge amount of ammo

[novel quest]

mah

nah*

both are good

[thorny ginkgo]

kk

[manic wolf]

No, on a pure melee build Needle is probably BiS

[thorny ginkgo]

i dont run any ranged talents

[tepid elk]

I've never ran out of ammo on stubs even outside of desperado

[novel quest]

they both don't really need much help on a melee build

I'm doing auric maelstrom just fine with dual stubs on my melee build

[barren pebble]

i've never even gotten to half ammo on my needle pistol probably because theres always someone running the left passive

[thorny ginkgo]

i only pull out needle to deal with bossess

[manic wolf]

Needle is kinda just as good as it can be out the box, you cant really improve it with talents erefore pointless to use on a ranged focused setup

[thorny ginkgo]

makes sense

[candid flax]

that'll change once people go back to their main classes

[young herald]

incorrect, stam on dodge is fantastic, especially since it has no icd. dodge on slide is the best talent in the tree though

[novel quest]

saw someone come up here like "run desperado with needler" buddy what

[barren pebble]

i can start picking up ammo when i dont have a hsc or vet running their left talents

[tepid elk]

technically crits apply more toxin stacks iirc, but still not worth it lol

[candid flax]

dodge on slide is nuts because luggables exist

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. people have mentioned it a bunch of times, an like, sure the freeloads would be nice, but largely inconsequential

[novel quest]

yeah

[vale garden]

mr beast wants to know your location

[tepid elk]

"oh boy rending on my needle gun"

[burnt barn]

what do yall run on ur rashad

[barren pebble]

theres like 6 guns i'd use for desperado before needle lol

[vale garden]

Does the needler even cleave? Why is it a blessing option?

[barren pebble]

it does and for the explosion mode

[arctic imp]

So…. Maxed out chems… why isn’t it stacking to 4?

[tepid elk]

it has barely any cleave by default outside of the alt fire

[thorn prawn]

Headtaker and Thunderous

[burnt barn]

what about perks

[barren pebble]

headtaker and brutal momentum

[manic wolf]

Mr E at it again.. Notice he doesnt understand how Nimble works and has marked Chem Dependancy as bugged, when its actually the box-ult

[barren pebble]

brumo is the secret to rashad

[tepid elk]

im not sure if hypercritical is bugged or just bad tbh

[broken bear]

It is bugged

It messes with on kill effects and makes the melee toughness regen not even happen

[manic wolf]

With Hotshot, yes it indeed does and its quite a slept on blessing for the gun because it allows you to hit more trash with less needles, erefore, more tox spread for cheaper

[candid flax]

semantics on the chem dependancy / stimm crate

whichever is the one thats bugged

[manic wolf]

Yeah alright, but still

[thorn prawn]

Not sure what the breakpoints are for perks

[candid flax]

also jittery is bugged too

jittery doesn't work on dodge slides

[barren pebble]

arguably it does exactly what it says just because it puts your stim on cd doesnt mean stim supply is using a stim

[tepid elk]

what are y'all running for stims btw? I've just been running all the way up the finesse stim and nothing else

45 second cool down to turn into a blender

[candid flax]

really bad defense

[manic wolf]

Iirc, Hotshot lets you cleave dreg Bruisers and a few other things you wouldnt expect to cleave with it too, p'good blessing

[fading sun]

rending so i can shoot crushers

[spark gyro]

Man, I'm loving this toxic stuff

[barren pebble]

hmm perhaps there is an emote in the message that conveys some tone?

[candid flax]

either this or full cdr and nothing else

[fast lynx]

What is the best autogun/mark to use in you guys opinion?

[tepid elk]

toxin subclass is so good

[hasty agate]

Anyone know what happened to the old Armory Exchange extension for google?

[barren pebble]

it was columnus forever, probably still is

[limber cradle]

Disagree entirely tbh

[manic wolf]

IIrc the keys from FS's backend mostly stopped working an it depreciated as a result

[thorn prawn]

Old Columnus is called Vraks now

[supple torrent]

I really like the 15% rending so deserado is able to kill carapace

[tepid elk]

yeah I don't think Regen is the answer, just needs to have a strong enough affect to warrant it's limited availability

like it has way lower uptime than Kraks, it should be a good deal stronger

[limber cradle]

I agree with that tbh

More damage/faster pull

Brunt just sold me a 430 toughness curio

[barren pebble]

if you can grab the extra blitz charge it helps

[limber cradle]

This class really is blessed

[hasty agate]

I went a checked and it a moment ago and there’s some reviews on it from back in August. The author of the extension seems to have updated it. But I can’t tell if the whole thing stopped working since hive scum was released or what.

[thorn prawn]

Agree. It needs a bigger boom befitting of its name

[barren pebble]

its kinda treading an awkward middle ground between ogryn's big frag and kraks

[manic wolf]

Oh it came back then, cool. Idk tbh, a lot of mods got broken with the update so you might be waiting a little while

[candid flax]

nah i disagree entirely because vet has a bunch of stuff for nades. kraks deserve their spot in the limelight

however the boom DOES need more boom

[thorn prawn]

And if there's anything we know about middleground weapons

[candid flax]

it struggles to kill even 3 crushers because its AoE is just so tiny

[tepid elk]

if it was a "oh shit that's a horde of crushers" button it'd gel well with the rest of the class

[candid flax]

it exists almost entirely just to snipe bosses

[barren pebble]

yeah they dont want to overshadow either so its just kinda ok at both

[manic wolf]

It gets a very big boost in those situations from Pocket Toxin, particularly for Bulwark walls, but it still needs more charges/a way to regen them

[supple torrent]

Give me like 5 charges on rocket. No regen.

[spark gyro]

Boom is like someone didn't like the ogrynheimer

[candid flax]

nah that's the wrong fix lol

[low drum]

even if it served this purpose chem nades do this better and also kill everything you see that isn't a boss

[tepid elk]

Kraks would still probably be better overall for their sheer spammability, the rocket should just be a low uptime high power weapon, fits with the class identity imo

[tepid elk]

chem nades are probably overtuned tbh

[charred bronze]

I was running cooldown alone, since I want as much adrenaline uptime as possible

[candid flax]

taking a blitz just for bosses is kinda weirdchamp

[low drum]

not even probably, chem nades are both an immolation nade and an ogryn nuke and you get four of them with talents

[barren pebble]

i havent played enough with rockets but the only niche i can really see for it is being less convenient than big frag or kraks in return for power

[low drum]

what a stupid blitz

[tepid elk]

exactly

[barren pebble]

and yeah the chem nade is pretty hard to compete with

[candid flax]

boom does scale off ranged damage

so you can just chunk like 50% of the hp of a plogryn

[tepid elk]

oooh interesting

[barren pebble]

and if you're running pocket tox or whatever it is the blinders are pretty good

[limber cradle]

Rocket niche is you named your F Anarchist Jinx and refuse to use any other blitz

[tepid elk]

yeah I love the blinders on a chem/rampage hybrid build

[manic wolf]

Blackouts are much more applicable for covering the classes weakness' imo (IE; very hard to come by stagger options), an they provide a lot of utility/safety in higher difficulties

[candid flax]

full strength stimm, 3 vultures mark and then boom a plogryn in the nuts to halve its hp

[barren pebble]

blackouts not being a tax on the teams grenade budget is also a big advantage

more for the ogryn

[manic wolf]

Yer, an they can still work as mini tox grenades

[candid flax]

if only blackouts regenned off DoT kills or hyper crit

[tepid elk]

hypercrit is such a trap talent lol

[candid flax]

blackouts with a bone saw just sucks

[low drum]

this is super unsatisfying in general on this class

[barren pebble]

yeah blackout regen needs to actually trigger off any kill attributed to you

[manic wolf]

I would guess thats probably not gonna change, but you still get them back frequently enough

[barren pebble]

which like, why do they not how did they fuck that up

[low drum]

DoT also doesn't trigger decapitator on the bone saw iirc, so it's more than useless on that weapon

[thorn prawn]

Decapitator is useless in general

[tepid elk]

also doesn't trigger shock and awe

[low drum]

yes but it's especially worthless there

[barren pebble]

actually i think i heard something about the hsc alternate damages not registering in the typical way for scoreboards so that might be connected

[low drum]

I think this is fine since it doesn't stack and also one rip kill gives you the buff

[tepid elk]

Fair

[barren pebble]

yeah S&A is relatively easy to keep up

enough to be competitive with wrath (comes up faster marginally harder to maintain)

[tulip magnet]

Are they gonna improve the visibility of stimm cooldowns?

[low drum]

god I fucking hope so

[tulip magnet]

It's way too hard to know when I'll be able to use it

[barren pebble]

in the meantime https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/653?tab=description

[low drum]

they probably won't since fatshark refuses to do anything with this game's hud to make itbetter though

[shadow umbra]

genuinely a goated mod

[tulip magnet]

just double the contrast

[manic wolf]

Eh, we have dodge counter on screen now, never used to

There is hope

[tulip magnet]

I need to squint to see where the line is

[thorn prawn]

They released the dodge bar, Just have 3 years

[marble flower]

finally found a build that works for hivescum

[barren pebble]

the stim hud is SO bad lmao i have to believe there werent any UX designers involved lol

[marble flower]

without dying every two seconds

[barren pebble]

you can barely see the line and the last like 20% of the cooldown is indistinguishable from usable

[candid flax]

or alternatively, your team was just not doing anything 😂

[tulip magnet]

At my last job the stimm ui would have been marked as a release blocker due to accessibility

[low drum]

there's a line???

[acoustic quail]

this means enemies not targeting you right?

[tulip magnet]

the bottom half is slightly darker and it ticks down

[candid flax]

yeah it means you are less likely to be targeted

[acoustic quail]

gonna take it then

[low drum]

I had no clue, I literally just press 4 and let God decide if I get to use my class feature or not

[barren pebble]

yeah lol its partially faded on CD but you can barely tell

[thorn prawn]

It also means enemies will clip through you and trap you inside them

[barren pebble]

and you basically CANT tell at the end of the CD no matter what

[marble flower]

I'm honestly less concerned about the awesome damage output and more that I managed that without dying once in a damnation event mission. Which was impossible for me yesterday. Tweaked some perks and now its finally feeling good, with enough toughness generation and toughness damage reduction to actually take a hit

[barren pebble]

the pinnacle

[tulip magnet]

way too subtle for this game

[low drum]

wtf is this man

ty fatshark

so cool

[thorn prawn]

Good work friend

[candid flax]

Ohh yeah gotcha. Most people just post to flex damage dealt green circles. But yeah, if you're surviving then you're hitting the spot just right 🫦

[thorny ginkgo]

which build is this?

[barren pebble]

ovenproof please update powerDI... i need my data...

[last marsh]

boy do i love stripped down on hivescum lol

shit just saved my ass

[candid flax]

which one is that again

[last marsh]

sprinting above a stam threshold makes you immune to gunfire

[tulip magnet]

When you take off all the clothes except for the thief harness

[barren pebble]

you know i get why spinning your stub pistol cool style would increase finesse damage but why does it make it more accurate
that seems like it would drastically reduce your accuracy lol

[candid flax]

oh gotcha

there was this one scum guy that was like, milky white, bald, and ran shirtless

fucking loved the look

[last marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/jambajew-steve-brule-cool-guy-zone-gif-18457153

[candid flax]

he looked like a mochi

[tepid elk]

because its cool

[candid flax]

the scum is secretly an ork

doing a spinny makes it more accurate

[marble flower]

I'm running chemical dependency on my build and use an autobrokerstim mod. Somehow the 44s cooldown stim build I run paired with what seems to be a 15s stim duration (I can't find where stim duration is actually listed anywhere though) leaves exactly 1 second to pop stim once it comes off cooldown before I lose a stack of chemical dependency. So the mod just automates stim usage and forces usage of it as soon as it comes off cooldown so I can stay at max 4 stacks whole mission.

[vale garden]

Are you running stim CDR?

[marble flower]

Honestly feels like auto-stimming should be a built in feature with the way certain builds revolve around perfect timing of stim usage

[candid flax]

or just make your stimm less viscous so you got some extra buffer room

[marble flower]

I was but the way I fixed my build was dropping certain perks to pick up ones that are helping my survivability. I can't find a way to squeeze that back in and, well, if the auto-stim mod is timing it perfectly for me I find I don't really need stim CDR

[tulip magnet]

is the tooltip bugged for everyone else, too?

[marble flower]

I could but its 50% viscosity to go all the way on top right tree to +10% crit chance node which build likes

[thorn prawn]

Yep

[tulip magnet]

cool

[thorn prawn]

FatFish's oopsie from the last hotfix

[shadow umbra]

yepeprs

[umbral dagger]

how does swift endurance work? is it the higher you stamina the higher the attack speed?

[woeful hill]

you can check pins for talent help

[marble flower]

Yep. Basically you build higher max stamina, and when your stamina is full you get 2% extra attack speed for every point of stamina you have

It works off of whatever your current stamina is but you speed up as that stamina bar regenerates

[jovial violet]

how hard does chainaxe go on scum

[umbral dagger]

time to hunt +3 stam curios

[marble flower]

you and me both, haven't found any yet sadly

[spark bough]

Ok shotgun is not good on HS with fullauto mod on bad tick rate servers.

[lilac crystal]

the shivs perform so well

[mellow rune]

any effective way to accumulate this?

[austere topaz]

Go down the top left tree

[barren pebble]

take both toughness heal nodes on the stim, toughness regen on stim addict, pop whenever your toughness drops low or breaks

[austere topaz]

Toughness regen doesn't actually count you need to get the node that gives you toughness

[barren pebble]

"barrage IV" and "regain"

its actually pretty fast considering you can easily restore 150 toughness a pop

compared to the attack speed and strength ones

[mellow rune]

so this?

[barren pebble]

yup

[sinful matrix]

this.

How I got it done

[mellow rune]

ok

let me try

[sinful matrix]

Took me to level 24

You get those stim nodes at uh

[barren pebble]

i think chem fortified on the right keystone also counts but not sure

[sinful matrix]

level 10 or something?

[barren pebble]

15

[sinful matrix]

So like 20ish missions of using it when I got hit

[barren pebble]

but its 100 viscosity at 15

[marble flower]

I have a question on this if you maybe know the answer - it says you get 2% extra attack speed per every 1 flat stamina (capped at 30) and says stacks are only granted for each full segment of the stamina bar. Currently ingame I have a crowbar with a +1.5 stamina perk, and one curio with +2 stamina max stamina, but my stamina bar only has 4 segments visually ingame.

But if I'm adding a total of 3.5 max stamina to my build wouldn't that mean I started with only 0.5 stamina base? And if it's really per segment then at full, at 2% per I'm only getting 8% extra attack speed, and it feels like it's way more than that.

[mighty belfry]

Still an annoying penance tbh

[sinful matrix]

Lmao

Go play ogryn

[marble flower]

It would be so much easier if you could view your character stats to see things like current max stamina

[sinful matrix]

THOSE are some annoying penances

[mighty belfry]

Oh I'm aware. Well aware.

[woeful hill]

in your settings is stamina divided by 25%s?

[barren pebble]

considering i did the entire penance in one sitting its not that bad

[sinful matrix]

Not hard, but who the fuck wants to use PBB so much they get 5000 free rounds

[mint fable]

Should I get the blessing that reduces recoil on the dual autopistols?

[woeful hill]

This is on by default, off is my settings

[marble flower]

Yes it was

[woeful hill]

thats the problem

[sinful matrix]

Run n Gun and Pinning Fire is what I use

[mint fable]

Cause I have blaze away and speed reload so far

[barren pebble]

im a blaze away speedloader player too

but its a pure desperado build

[tepid elk]

i've been using blaze away and pinning fire

[thorn prawn]

Including the decimal points would help too

[tepid elk]

for my pure desperado

[mint fable]

But Im having difficulty trying to aim for weakspots

[sinful matrix]

I will shill Run N Gun

give it a whirl

[marble flower]

So with it off, the number of segments I'm seeing should be accurate to the actual number of max stamina I have?

[sinful matrix]

Pretty comfy blessing honestly, so long as you control yourself and stick around teammates as best you can

[rare idol]

Run and gun is great, one of my favorite things to slap on the light guns

[barren pebble]

run n gun making it actually kinda accurate is fun

[tepid elk]

did you grab the early node that improves spread and recoil?

[woeful hill]

yes

[mint fable]

Yeah

[tepid elk]

yeah Run and Gun is nice

[marble flower]

Absolutely, so much stuff is hidden that should be made available to the player in an easily understood format

[rare idol]

Also shoot while sprinting has saved me so many times 😂

[tepid elk]

the autopistols actually have built in shoot while sprinting

[sinful matrix]

I don't actually do a whole lot of shooting while sprinting with Run N Gun

[mighty belfry]

Run n gun on needle pistol is goated

[sinful matrix]

every now and again sure, but its more for the accuracy and choice of

[rare idol]

The tighter spread is great

[tepid elk]

run and gun only adds the accuracy and damage on the autopistols

[thorn prawn]

The -30% spread is really nice

[rare idol]

What’s a heavy gun people have been using with despacito?

[marble flower]

Okay so with that setting changed it appears I currently have 11 max stamina. But the talent says it caps at 30 stacks... so now I need to know if it is even possible to get 30 max stamina in a build. I need to know so I can get fucking stoned science!

[spark gyro]

run and gun + sticky hands makes the autopistols very accurate for the first idfk shot and a half

[sinful matrix]

Agrip Brauto

[rare idol]

Bruuuuuuuto returns

[barren pebble]

with run and gun you can tapfire the autopistols and kill enemies at like 20m

[bronze glade]

agri brauto goes hard on desp

[sinful matrix]

try 45

[rare idol]

Return of 🦀 walk gun

[spark gyro]

I'm also tempted to just put one point into the stimm so I can farm those heavy attack kills for the iron riders armor

[frigid sluice]

I heard that hivescum had a gun that they could spin like vermintide bop but unlike vermintide it actually affected how the gun worked

is this true

[spark gyro]

Who knew the cartel used medieval armor?

[tepid elk]

i kill snipers by tap firing with the autopistols

[tepid elk]

stub pistols

[thorn prawn]

Count crowbar's stamina + 3x 420+ power 3 stam curios for me

[frigid sluice]

rad

[rare idol]

Cheaper than flak ig 😂

[sinful matrix]

Desperado highlighting enemies at 10 meters means maximum uptime on both Deathspitter and whatever the fuck the other one is too because you know exactly when to kill someone to proc the blessing

[tepid elk]

spin adds finesse damage and makes the shot pinpoint accurate

[spark gyro]

They even have heraldry ✋ 🤚

[sinful matrix]

I mean think about it. What you're using is futureonium steel and dogshit firearms and melee weapons

I'd wear medieval armor too when the uzi being shot at me has dubious quality at best

and the next dude has a literal claymore

[rare idol]

All that clanking might be a problem

[mint fable]

Maybe I'll do Powderburn and Speed reload for my dual autopistols

[cedar cairn]

What perks do you put on the needler

[woeful hill]

possibly just a limit not possible to reach or it means cap at 30% attack speed, 15 stamina which is possible. 9 curio, 2 base iirc, and 4 on weapon

something like that

[sinful matrix]

Clanking? What are you, an automaton sympathizer? FACE THE WALL

[spark gyro]

Cartels making gunpowder with 10% fecal matter, because the same filter they use for the powder is the one they wipe their asses with

[sinful matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-gif-4243488579067419276

[spark gyro]

They just wash it a bit first

[rose flax]

Do you mind explaining what you mean by this?

[spark gyro]

On the sewer water

[tepid elk]

just had someone thank me for carrying in my last run with my rampage/dependency build

[thorn prawn]

Run and Gun + Stripped Down

[ruby path]

Do perks like this apply to the rocket launcher? or is that ranged damage only for guns

[candid flare]

Yes boom gets ranged buffs

[spark gyro]

Wow, they ported the TF2 soldier damage falloff to Darktide

[ruby path]

Okay, thank you.

[thorn prawn]

Wait, my bad, Sprint Efficiency and Reload Speed

[ruby path]

I'm a bit sad though. Rockets seem a bit meh.

[rose flax]

Did anyone notice how at 80% mobility you can't get 5 dodges anymore?

[ruby path]

they are very fun though

[spark gyro]

They have a weirdly small area

[restive vortex]

can anyone explain the stimm lab to me? im going the chem toxin build should i just invest everything into the kalm tree for the cooldown regen?

[spark gyro]

I mean, rockets aren't particularly for area damage in real life and all that, but meh

[ruby path]

Depends on the rocket

[spark gyro]

It's kind of like a krak where the timer is before throwing instead of after

True, true

[real python]

why crowbar so bad

[tardy citrus]

So what's working forr the stub pistols lads?

[thorn prawn]

So small boom, but it should puncture carapace?

[ruby path]

They should give it 3 passive nodes that change what it does lawl

[spark gyro]

There's that AP and HEAT and idfk what else

[tardy citrus]

Blessings and perks

[marble flower]

I think you're right, the cap must be on the attack speed. Sadly the needle gun cant take a stamina perk, idk if other guns can? If a gun can then yeah 2 from each weapon for 4 and then 9 from maxed curious for 13, and then assuming 2 for base that would hit that cap of 15x2 for 30%.

Is it at all advisable to replace my current extra toughness curiious with extra stamina? No! Will it likely get me killed? Yes! Am I going to do it anyway and achieve more accurate levels of druge overdose simulator? Also yes!

[sinful matrix]

mfw people learn that real life rocket launchers use a jet of literally molten steel to penetrate armor and structures

[rose flax]

Worth to note, toughness regen is only for coherncy, the two replenishment nodes are the only ones that don't require coherncy

[sinful matrix]

we love High Explosive Anti-Tank

Nothing AOE about it

[spark gyro]

I'm mostly thinking of the "stuff that's supposed to pierce metal sheets and then go kaboom inside them"

[sinful matrix]

Oh, so APHE

Or Armor-Piercing High Explosive

[spark gyro]

And the big boomies more like an actual frag grenade

Which is a fucking nightmare of area denial

[sinful matrix]

Which has also only had limited success in real life as it didn't really create any more significant spalling than just shooting said tank or bunker

[spark gyro]

[thorn prawn]

It's okay, just have to not get hit

[spark gyro]

I love hot shrapnel bouncing around

[sinful matrix]

That said, I think the RPG is fine on Scum

[spark gyro]

There's also something about uhhh the direction the explosion goes on rockets, kinda?

[sinful matrix]

It's a good "oh fuck I need room" button

but it IS objectively worse than chem grenade

[hexed lava]

i dont know why but chainaxe feel better to use than this class unique melee weapon

[cedar cairn]

Reginald does a good job but basically you want to balance buffs with CDR to stay in a constant ability uptime
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07c16c1-4370-4657-9f6b-33e714ca67c5/reginalds-melee-build

[sinful matrix]

and isn't infinite like blinders

[spark gyro]

Or maybe I'm taking War Thunder's x-ray too seriously

[ruby path]

The thing about rockets also isn't true. It's not like every launcher system is only for armor and hard targets lol

[sinful matrix]

This one

Gaijin gigabuffs APHE to make it feel different from solid rounds

whereas in real life they had about the same effectiveness on crews

but APHE had less pen because it had less hard material to penetrate with

[ruby path]

The carl gustav has like 8 different warheads lol

[sinful matrix]

I mean so does the RPG-29

But they're largely anti-helicopter/anti-IFV/Anti-Bunker tools

With limited usecase against MBTs

Their infantry focused rounds are better solved with a grenade launcher

[marble flower]

Blinder grenades with the pocket toxin perk are peak. I'm learning to use them as my "oh shit" button when I'm going berserk with rampage and my crowbar and accidentally get in over my head. Whoops I just rounded a corner into a pack of 6 maulers? Blinder nades, everyone on your ass and take some poison while we're at it.

[ruby path]

There are more non anti tank and hard target warheads for some of these. Not sure how someone in here would just say there isn't and apply that but hey

[sinful matrix]

In any case, I'm not sure what fatshark could do to solve the rocket launcher on HS

Not being infinite like blinders, and having nowhere near the same crowd control as chems is gross

[drowsy relic]

You can turn that shit off?

[woeful hill]

YES

[sinful matrix]

I guess at least the rocket launcher won't randomly kill a burster on you because of DoT