hivescum-class

[random shuttle]

The Youtube Wars is real. Facttiders clapping back against Vibetubers.

[clear isle]

who's Mr.E?

[frigid basalt]

either way, the only thing I can still say is that no one who plays high havoc recommends even 1 wound curio. I don't like that it's basically a "skill issue" statement but that's the only other way I can try to discourage even 1 wound curio on anyone not zealot running full matyr

[zenith fern]

Mom, tanner is beefing with Reginald

[wise sorrel]

do you have any suggestions for blessings for bone saw?

[fast gust]

Didn't he have enough with the Mr.E slander?

[ancient basin]

I think in havoc it is also a case of positional control, as playing around closer spawn points is more beneficial than having more downs

[flat mist]

Shock and awe and decimator

[frigid basalt]

I don't follow the darktide youtubers, people don't liek tanner, right?

[ancient basin]

so dying instantly isnt a bad thing

[young herald]

Shock and awe + decimator (the 5% strength per stack on chained hit blessing)

[flat mist]

You could run shred or wrath if you really wanted to

[zenith fern]

Darktide content creator that their entire channel is dedicated to literal slop, no joke
He calls many if his video sloptide

[hallow creek]

i mean i watched that video he does bring up valid points, i think he lementing how broken the class is fundamentally not actually broken as in good/bad

[glacial gyro]

Certainly. But the class is really new. I'm just trying to consider new ideas here.

Metas are formed via experimentation, not dogma.

[random shuttle]

For my Dorktide internet diet:

• Kuli's Guide for 100% Certified always Correct, Factual and utterly perfect source of "How shit works, actually"
• Unc / Khan for watching fun gameplays
• Reginalds for builds / weapons breakdown

[fast gust]

Don't forget rare ChocoB and Cole posting

[clear isle]

ah I see, he's probably making bank off of it since he's still doing it

[zenith fern]

Frip Frop not for gameplay but hilarious editing humour and characters explanation in the lore

[flat mist]

I seriously doubt that

[random shuttle]

Frip Frop Shorts are a must, yes. I should add it.

[zenith fern]

His editing always makes me laugh the way he throws jokes

[clear isle]

idk about him in particular but usually slop channels get a lot of money from views for very little effort

[tepid hare]

Would Speedload be good with Vraks IAG for Desperado build? time you spend reloading is time spend not killing one extra trash mob and extending the duration

[flat mist]

No one getting 20k views per video is making bank

[ancient basin]

turbo killer on the hive scum vids, tasteful

get that blood pumpin

[frigid basalt]

if you're below 100 toughness you take damage even on full toughness, right?

[clear isle]

20k? damn, I thought he was more popular since ppl here knew him

[shut coral]

meow! just noticed something the build his showing on first is not the same that he runs with

[random shuttle]

He said only nades differs.

[flat mist]

He's got the right personality for youtube success. Very, VERY few people have the sort of personality path, kuli, and other people who have extremely in-depth understandings of code and mechanics have and the personality of an entertainer like E

It's a common situation that there's a disconnect from us nerds in here and toobers like E

[zenith fern]

Full toughness absorbs all damage received except few enemy hits like crushers, Maulers overheads

[hallow creek]

people always fall for charisma over substance, and mr E above all else is charismatic.

[frigid basalt]

you sure? I feel like I'm tweaking but if you're below 100 base toughness any hit goes to health

or maybe it's bleed through from base toughness being too low

[young herald]

No. Melee bleed through is percentage based, not raw amount. Basically, when you get hit by a melee attack, the game goes (damage x ((100 - current toughness percent) /100)) to determine how much health damage you take

[frigid basalt]

maybe it was just shit in havoc, I remember I was playing psyker and I had like 94 toughness

[zenith fern]

Crusher overhead should one tap kill a scum in-game at full health and toughness smh

Welcome back havoc crusher

[frigid basalt]

and normal hits were bleeding through and giving corruption even when I was full

or maybe I'm remember wrong

[last roost]

the more damage you take in succession the more youll take in health i think

if you take alot of toughness damage quickly (like up to 75-100) some of what may go into health

i think thats how it works i might be wrong though

you wont really take alot though unless you eat an overhead for breakfast or something 💀

[wind urchin]

wow this guy is fun

[shut coral]

a quicky, what are the best curios for havocs? like i feel soo squishy

[wind urchin]

also NGL I like the cosmetics and look

it is aquired for sure

but I can larp as madcap tf2

[random shuttle]

This is what Khan runs.

[zenith fern]

Cosplay as dreg gunner to scare your friends and get shot in the face in result

[wind urchin]

lmao

this is my guy rn

[novel oracle]

yes
me and khan have very similar builds

this is havoc 40

[shut coral]

does stamina needed? like ihave 3 15% toughness and still ist not enough... does that stamina has something with attribs to makes you feel better?

[wind urchin]

based on the madcap meme it was a joke about a fake tf2 class everyone forgot and is 100% real

[hallow creek]

i hate how this duster matches with like nothing the HS has on default

[woeful trellis]

i just got carried to havoc 40 by the same needler pickpocket scum who carried me from 30 to 38 and it was so freaking smooth

[unreal stirrup]

what yall thought about coated weaponry

[woeful trellis]

i checked his curios afterwards and he still had 10% experience on all 3 of them lmao

[wind urchin]

also also bane from dark night rises kinda

[random shuttle]

I find it a bit funny when people ask if this work for Havoc, where the class offers complete ranged dmg immunity which is like cancelling 80% of Havoc threat 😄

[unreal stirrup]

feel like ass ngl

[green granite]

can someoen explain focused resolve for me? why would i take a node that only lowers the amount of cooldown i gain? it starts at 1s per enemy killed, but the node reduces it to 0.5, and only elites and specials are 1s?

[shut coral]

buildddddddd

[zenith fern]

Duster you mean the hood?

[wind urchin]

its hilarious how it clashes with the pants it comes with

[obsidian cipher]

Do we know if fatshark is going to fix Hyper critical messing with Precision Violence?

[wind urchin]

the colours here just aint right

blue pant with a green shirt and brown hood

[flat mist]

How could we possibly know

[hallow creek]

the duster doesnt really mesh well with any default cosmetics the HS has and only really other premium cosmetics to it

[winter tusk]

Just a heads up, skill level is way more important than a good build in this game usually. The pilot makes a massive difference.

[novel oracle]

it refunds that amount of the cooldown of the ability
each of those kills restore that much of the ability when it ends
youre thinking about extending the duration, which is different

[obsidian cipher]

maybe they acknowledged it in bug report idk, thats why im asking XD

[zenith fern]

The entire deluxe cosmetics are so random with the colour scheme but that's necromunda inspiration snh

[woeful trellis]

this was their build. idk if it's optimized or not, but they were also running three +10% xp on their curios so i think they were just confident in winning (either that or they swapped build after the mission but before i inspected them)

[zenith fern]

At least the coat goes well with the base pants

[random shuttle]

Time for some more Morning Scumming

[woeful trellis]

gun was needle pistol with carapace unyielding, ghost and between the eyes

[random shuttle]

H-honey, I'm... I'm scumming...

[woeful trellis]

i think chem grenade is overtuned

[novel oracle]

IM STIMMSING???!?!?

[zenith fern]

Alright don't spread the stimms fluids all over the place

[wind urchin]

the shiv blessings feel weird tbh

[woeful trellis]

every time we had a crusher pack (final toll + stimms) i would taunt and use shield special (i was playing shield taunt+go again heavy hitter ogryn)

then everything just died, same for monstrosity/captain/twins. just taunt and plant shield and everything exploded while i tanked them

[zenith fern]

Loud and frame dropping smh

[wind urchin]

like they share alot with the combat knife that feel strange

like backstabs

maybe you can trickstab?

[fast gust]

Fellow muckers I come with great news
Support build doesn't dip your damage enough on average to be bad, but it heavily realies on your teamates been agressive and/or proactive as those buffs do nothing if the karker decides that despite having 20+ crushers on them, it's better to run off with no amount of kiting

[shut coral]

true... i have over 200 levels on psyker and 200 over zeal but like i feel something is off with scum idk if its dodge or something

[hallow creek]

literally has a node to reduce threat which is the only syngery

[wind urchin]

yeah and that isnt even really that good for it

[fast gust]

I don't like it

[wind urchin]

that feels like its best as a way to not insta die

not get backstabs

[fast gust]

Makes enemies move AWAY from you into teamates which is bad if u wanna kill them

[wind urchin]

its also weird theres no special related perk

why isnt there like a knife throw one

like knife weakpoint hits or smth

[hallow creek]

its the only way. unless you mad dash like a zealot

[wind urchin]

the crowbar has can opener

[tight musk]

Man, the bazooka is not very good.

I had 3 crushers almost clipping into each other, they couldn't possibly be any closer, and it only killed 2 of them and send the final one flying.

A single veteran krak would've killed all of them and then recharged automatically with no need to look for nade boxes.

[winter tusk]

Its extremely high skill floor and you have to be able to avoid basically all hits and keep your toughness maxed out all the time, which is way harder to do. Psyker and zealot can still make toughness waaay easier, not to mention actually have good damage resistance for the most part.

[wind urchin]

the bazooka falls off hard past like uprising lol

the chem nade is insane

and the flashbang is eh

its

ok

[zenith fern]

The real reason why bursters been acting up since update

Too many muckers using the talent, burster ignores their pushes and awareness and fucking explodes

[last roost]

wish it didnt its really fun ngl

[zenith fern]

Blinder slander wont be tolerated

[tight musk]

I'm pretty sure I had so much DR stacked on psyker I once ate a crusher overhead and didn't die. As a psyker.

[fast gust]

This makes a lot of sense

[wind urchin]

the bazooka should be good at blowing up crowds of carapace enemy's

[zenith fern]

Blinders are peak

[wind urchin]

its good its just not as flashy or cool

its the same as the other stun grenades

practical

[hallow creek]

the fact that kraks do more with also quantity is insnae they released a rocket launcher like that

[winter tusk]

Scum is the true glass cannon now, psyker has staves where they just become a toughness factory

[fast gust]

Blinder good
Rocket eeeeh
Chem grenade gonna get nerfed lmao

[zenith fern]

It a quick on shit button like

[woeful trellis]

does the toughness regen in the top left branch of this stimm (the gigachad who carried me was running this) do anything for non-coherency regen? i ask because in psyker shield without hitting anything i was getting like 20% back per second even with h40 modifiers

[wind urchin]

I feel like kraks should do more boss damage but the bazooka should be better at hordes as a way to balance them and make them distinct

[fast gust]

Nope only coherency it sucks

IDK how Fatshark still thinks coherency toughness regen is relevant

[wind urchin]

I wanna blow up a crusher group or smth

[woeful trellis]

huh maybe it was just for DR and the toughness regain was from something else then

[fast gust]

The only good nodes up there are the replendish toughness nodes

[wind urchin]

the damage res is also nice

once you have it stacked abit

[last roost]

bazooka only being good on hordes is a huge waste

[zenith fern]

2027 and they still add coherency radius talents in new classes smh

[hallow creek]

use a krak

[fast gust]

Idk 16% damage res for that investment

[last roost]

make it good on a specific armor maybe

only good on flak/carapace

[winter tusk]

They used to do this more often, but it was too broken. You can still blow up groups of armor but they need to be tight next to each other.

[zenith fern]

Why you wanna use Rpg for hordes smh

[last roost]

like the throwing knives for zealot

[wind urchin]

the problem is they cant just make kraks a worse bazooka

[zenith fern]

Unless is mixed or armored ones

[wind urchin]

they need to find a way to make them distinct

[last roost]

make the bazooka only armor specific like i said. good on only carapace/flak. probably flak and bosses

[wind urchin]

just make the bazooka have a bigger blast radius idk

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-ayutha-pooja-arnold-schwarzenegger-heroes-gif-hollywood-gif-13768401820019360728

[winter tusk]

The rocket is good against elites too, I had it delete a bunch of gunners and ragers the otherday

Its just not incredible against armor

[wind urchin]

I wanna launch a rocket into a horde of crushers and plasma gunners

and make them die

[zenith fern]

Can't it one shot a crusher?

[winter tusk]

Probably a single one

[wind urchin]

on uprising at least

[zenith fern]

Brother

[wind urchin]

lemme go test

[fast gust]

It 1 shots multiple crushers, what.

[wind urchin]

on a actual setting

tf

[winter tusk]

Idk ive used it once or twice, biggest problem with it imo is having to fight randoms for refills

[zenith fern]

I have not used it yet but legit seen videos of it and I swear don't know where people got the idea it can only hit one crusher

[ancient basin]

rocket is answer when director thinks its okay to spawn more than 2 crushers ever

that or 15 bulwarks

[fast gust]

It 1 shots multiple crashers (yes, I will now call them such because they crashed my havoc run twice now) within the initial blast radious of about 3-4m (hard to measure)
Everyone else around takes anything between 1089 damage and 1901 damage then minor damage further away

[wind urchin]

ok im going in meat grindr auric level 9 so the bazooka is nearly default

[hallow creek]

even worse is that the rumbler does what the rocket launcher does as well but better because of ammo econ

[zenith fern]

????

I am so confused rn

[wind urchin]

my character is level 9

[shut coral]

why do i feel like some people FOV is more than 117?

[wind urchin]

so I dont have any extra buffs to it

is what I mean

thats auric scaling

[ancient basin]

I dont think it scales with anything anymore

[wind urchin]

ok so like

its decent

[zenith fern]

Mods

[kind mist]

get bazooked

[zenith fern]

"RPG is dog shit"

[wind urchin]

like it seems good enough

[ancient basin]

its ogryn frag bomb adjacent

[wind urchin]

the problem is chem bombs are just so insane

[high gull]

"To whom it may concern"

[zenith fern]

Less radius

[ancient basin]

and the blinders are infinite

[glacial gyro]

Its very fun but it has issues, namely it only has 2 charges (3 with extra pouches, which is near the bottom of the tree) and the blast isn't quite big enough to kill several crushers

[tame hill]

Chem bomb is good for buying time, which is vital when somebody goes down

[wind urchin]

they also dont compete for damage

[ancient basin]

I use them to save people all the time from dogs or crushers or ragers

[fast gust]

It's different tools
Krak is a mostly single target damage dealer, technically higher dps on bosses
Rpg is the I don't want to deal with this crusher pack, let's reduce them a bit

[zenith fern]

People just sleep on blinders and they are great tool for scum on general

[glacial gyro]

pocket toxin

blinders with pocket toxin are legitimately insane

[fast gust]

About to get hit? Blinder to the feet

[hot moth]

blinders with pocket toxin instantly delete trash hyperconcentration

[ancient basin]

the talent that gives chem tox on blitz adds enough damage to make blinders amazing support tools

[wind urchin]

this its only competition anywhere is the zealot flame nade and the arbite stun thing. whereas every class has a form of damage nade almost

[hot moth]

they're amazing

[fast gust]

Stuck in the bonesaw animation? Blinder to the crusher

[hot moth]

if you don't have the points for pocket toxin though they're underwhelming

[wind urchin]

how do you refill throwing knives?

can you even

[kind mist]

backstabs, elite kills

[ancient basin]

backstab kills or elite kills

[hallow creek]

sure if regen on blackouts didnt conflict with other nodes cause pocket tox is the best use case

[wind urchin]

I see

[hot moth]

zarona special action cannon is my new favorite scum build

[glacial gyro]

They cover scum's most common fail-state, getting surrounded by stuff that doesn't die to one hit. If you get collapsed on by a rager pack or a group of maulers its game over normally, but you can chuck a blinder at your feet and make space to bail

[zenith fern]

If only this playerbase would understand the similar blitzes and abilities still play different of respective classes

[wind urchin]

Indeed

[winter tusk]

Actually it doesnt 1shot multiple crushers

[fast gust]

But ogrynheimer is better
Yes, but ogryn is just different

[hot moth]

not even veteran can support the ammo hunger it has when not being used in special shot (really bad ammo pool/damage efficiency) but on scum I can kill anything I want and then whenever there's horde I can special shot it to oblivion

[winter tusk]

it kills the one you hit, and it deals a fuckload to the surrounding ones

[ancient basin]

I like all three blitz, I prefer blinder

[winter tusk]

5600 splash damage on the otherones

and these are like standing on top of each other

[ancient basin]

rpg is amazing for the feels though

[winter tusk]

only the direct hit crusher gets instadead, the others take big splash damage and get knocked over

[glacial gyro]

rocket has the style factor, no doubt

[shut coral]

i see weapon fov mod. do you have the exact mod?

[zenith fern]

"shock mines are zealot better stun grenades"

"Blinders are weaker zealot stun grenade"

[ancient basin]

a crusher patrol all in one clump with mixed horde evaporates to a single well placed boom bringer, even if some of the crushers survive they are like paper

[zenith fern]

Yes

[fast gust]

Mods are cheating.

[winter tusk]

yep its like capped for one crusher kill or something

[glacial gyro]

Do people actually say the second one? They are nothing alike

[winter tusk]

it only deals damage to the others

[zenith fern]

The viewmodel in some weapons are too low

[ancient basin]

just have to watch out for the "get down mister president!" pox walker maneuver

[shut coral]

and sometimes havoc 40 is unfair

[novel oracle]

the solution to brokers blitz is
blinders for auric
chem for havoc
rocket for penances
theres your definitive list for what to use when

[ancient basin]

rockets for fun times

[zenith fern]

I am making fun of people only makes comparisons to dislike classes without understanding the different roles

[glacial gyro]

Actually I found out the hard way the rocket goes through regular dudes without stopping. Whiffed a shot because I tried to hit a shotgunner directly with it, it whiffed through, killed nothing, and I got shotgunned to death

[novel oracle]

hive scum is just worse veteran

hive scum is actually just worse bardin

[wise sorrel]

[fast gust]

Clearly veteran with a boomstick does whatever hive scum does but better

[zenith fern]

All classes are veteran, they have ranged

[novel oracle]

hive scum is actually just tracer if you took away the mobility

[winged bay]

engi gets many rockets, scum only 2

[vocal saffron]

Cole is worse Meow

Zigh..

[fast gust]

Ok I regret looking up tracer gifs

[novel oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565672718293401653/1321147766805631129/cat_armor_wiki.gif

[unreal stirrup]

yeah i want both of them pregnant

[zenith fern]

Brother

[dull dagger]

Not all. Not most

[novel oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389632904644264046/1425623930017681459/caption.gif

[fast gust]

Psykernautics:

[glacial gyro]

I dunno about that, azumgi, they might not have the beards but they have the will to die instantly upon being touched by a blackrat

[wise sorrel]

what

[rustic lava]

You fell for the bait

[vocal saffron]

If modz r cheatin call me c00lkidd the way i got 38 mods on my dtide client

[glacial gyro]

I will not play without numeric hud

[vernal sluice]

Cheatrices

[zenith fern]

Bro first top tracer gif I see and is just twerking her ass drawn animation

[dull dagger]

Ok

[novel oracle]

oh my god that shit is so old

[rustic lava]

I am honestly surprised that Fatshark hasn't done darktide modded realms yet

[vocal saffron]

Never happening

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/bills-ugh-gif-9811803164280522639

[vocal saffron]

Dedicated servers

[novel oracle]

holy shit i remember seeing that nearly a decade ago

[vocal saffron]

Cole gooned 2 that b4

[fast gust]

Just use your monitor to turn on your gama

[vocal saffron]

What a freak

[wind urchin]

do arbites and scum have any interactions?

[vocal saffron]

Can we kill this guy ?

[novel oracle]

im incapable of gooning
im not even real

[glacial gyro]

several

[dull dagger]

Honestly, how are we meant to recognize the difference between bait and a poor take?

[wind urchin]

are they as funny as I imagine

[zenith fern]

I fear I recognize that artist too lmao
The art style looks familiar

[rustic lava]

They will happen as fatshark did state they will eventually implement them as part of the game's preservation

[vernal sluice]

Frip frop posts shorts of some of char interactions, check them out

[novel oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yBwVTEIC5jA

[zenith fern]

[GROWL] THATS WHAT YOU SOUND LIKE [GROWL]

[ancient basin]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l5mVGHZqwus

arbys got that batman dark knight vibe

[zenith fern]

Legit the actress that played female Savant had legit more fun time voicing scum

She was allowed to be unhinged with her performance

And not be so friendly shaped as savant

[winter tusk]

honestly the male scum voices are incredibly uninteresting to me

[zenith fern]

I love male anarchist

[glacial gyro]

both anarchists are great

[zenith fern]

He got the silly and maniac lunatic personalities at once
I think he suffers from bipolar disorder lol

[plain orchid]

Still disappointed no Australian accent for either genders

[zenith fern]

There's one?

[tight musk]

Should've listened to mama when she told me drugs will make me lose my mind...they took my whole head with it.

[plain orchid]

?

[zenith fern]

I could swear there's an Australian voice in one of scum personalities

[plain orchid]

There's a really old Scottish man one

[zenith fern]

Is it male outlaw not Australian?

[glacial gyro]

He sounds really chipper and upbeat, kind of trollish most of the time, and then he'll say some genuinely scary shit

[plain orchid]

Outlaw is scottish

[glacial gyro]

female anarchist is just perpetually unhinged

[austere topaz]

Very scottish

[austere topaz]

Voiced by the guy that voices Malakai the dwarf in Total War

[zenith fern]

Bits and pieces EVERYWHERE!!!

I love that voiceline so much

[vernal sluice]

Gaslight gatekeep girlboss

[zenith fern]

LOL

[last roost]

im sorry but... marytrdom build and only 6 wounds?

[random shuttle]

Damn I do love Scumming

[novel oracle]

yes

[random shuttle]

I am scumming around

Stimmsing too

I'm gonna brown.

[novel oracle]

2 wounds and 1 toughness curio

generally the optimal build for it

[glacial gyro]

you havent played zealot in a while I take it

[zenith fern]

Pretty sure martyrdom only affects with 6 wounds in Total

[last roost]

you wont get shit out of 1 toughness curios though

[novel oracle]

yes you do

[last roost]

better to run 3 wounds imo

[novel oracle]

for what

what reason

you dont get any more stacks

[zenith fern]

Rare Tau L /j

[last roost]

yes you do what

[novel oracle]

you havent played zealot in a hot minute have you

[last roost]

did they change it

[zenith fern]

LOL

[vernal sluice]

Lol lmao

[last roost]

they nerfed martyrdom </3

[zenith fern]

Have you played zealot since it's rework?

[novel oracle]

the dropped the stack count by one and adjusted the values to make the max the same

[novel oracle]

buffed

[last roost]

i didnt know they dropped the stack after the rework

brutal

[novel oracle]

you didnt lose any buffs

the max buffs are the same
the requirement to get there is just 1 wound less

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smh-meme-disagree-cringe-gif-25512889

Unc did not got it

[glacial gyro]

Actually its better, the max values are the same but now you can run a toughness curio too

[novel oracle]

this means you CAN take a toughness curio

with max marty dr

and that toughness bump takes you MILES

[random shuttle]

You can even take 3x Mutie DR perks on curios

nobody is stopping you

[novel oracle]

like i was a martyrdom HATER before the rework

but its been buffed and my problems with it have basically been solved

and i use it on a lot of builds now

[last roost]

i love martyr zealots

the damage output is insane

[zenith fern]

The mischievous mutie dragging you into a bomber fire wall

[novel oracle]

always nice to have a thammer zealot with 61% revive speed on your havoc team

[random shuttle]

such low dmg smh

not even 1 tap

smh mh

[novel oracle]

id rather not be useless the rest of the mission cuz i didnt take the best zealot ability

for the sake of doing what i already excel at a few seconds faster

[glacial gyro]

but the memes

[frigid basalt]

so nice to see the stunstorm grenades finally being used again

[novel oracle]

i aint doing no stealth thammer in havoc 40 fuck that

[frigid basalt]

zealot's best grenade going unused because of the talent tree settup was painful

[jaunty copper]

yo what kinda blessings should I be rocking on shivs

uncanny strike and ?

[glacial gyro]

flame nades are booty at h40

[frigid basalt]

Precog, uncanny

[novel oracle]

i use riposte uncanny on my ranged build and precog riposte on my melee build

[frigid basalt]

oh wright, shiv gets both ripose and precog

[zenith fern]

Me like riposte and bleed stacks on critic hits on two knives

[frigid basalt]

was precog or riposte the crit one?

[zenith fern]

Riposte

[jaunty copper]

riposte

[last roost]

i suck at this game so i just play auric lowk

[zenith fern]

Never goes wrong of having bleed and chem stacks chipping damage

[glacial gyro]

there is nothing wrong with that

[zenith fern]

Oomf acting like he is washed

Havoc is in such a weird place right now, so people stick to base missions

[hot moth]

bulwarks are such a problem that I think bleed on shivs might be correct

[last roost]

i am washed

im out of my prime

[hot moth]

because you rarely get the opportunity to outright kill them in a swing window

[last roost]

could do hv40 in my prime cant now

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-marcus-the-worm-gif-13164059535958008471

Honestly not sure if could be bothered to do any havoc, last season I only played like less ten matches of it

And reached 38 since then and not touch it again

[wind urchin]

I appreciate how brownings design has roughly made it to the 41st millennium

[zenith fern]

I pray for more stub pistol and uzis skins

Need to consume content

[wind urchin]

these things are dope

literally 40k 1911s

but bigger calibar

[zenith fern]

Also trinkets not stick behind weapon back, thank god

[wind urchin]

so kinda like 40k deagles?

these look so dope

defiantly 1911s

[novel oracle]

hive scum hate psykers?>??? based????

[random shuttle]

Make sense. Scum is a regular citizen. They learned in scholam, street preachers, bars and from their mums that Witches are EVIL

Also.

Rapscallion? XD

Them Witches and their lingo.

[wind urchin]

also keep in mind they are also atomas necromunda gangers

have you seen necromunda psykers

[random shuttle]

lol did 1 mission with Anarchist on Despasito and got this almost done. If it wasn't Rolling Steel I bet you can knock this penance in 1 mission

[novel oracle]

btw idk who needs to hear about this
but
desperado makes carry objectives so funny

[wind urchin]

these guys aint normal

[random shuttle]

Yeah but Atoma aint' Necromunda

[compact oyster]

How can someone be a ganger from 2 hive cities

[wind urchin]

they aint in both

I just mean alot of their aesthetic is pulled from

necromunda

[zenith fern]

Holy zoomies
Does rampage also do the same?

[wind urchin]

hive gangers are gonna hive gang

[warped quiver]

this the build you're on?

[novel oracle]

no, desperado gives the 20% sprint speed

[wind urchin]

I do hope we get necromunda themed outfits for them tbh

like how we get regiments from all over

[novel oracle]

is that the build im on in what?

[random shuttle]

doubt so

[warped quiver]

find it weird desperado gives zoomies when rampage is the one you wanna get up close with

[random shuttle]

we likely gonna get deeper exploration into the 4 cartels

with named charas from these cartels

[warped quiver]

you don't just use one build?

[wind urchin]

well yeah probably that

[novel oracle]

bro ive got like 5 and counting

[wind urchin]

but I can see them tossing a necromunda outfit in there as well (it will make money)

or tbh what I imagine is

atoma cartel versions

[novel oracle]

im mostly using my desperado one tho cuz its fucking busted as hell

[wind urchin]

like an outfit based on a nceromunda outfit but atoma style

oppa atoma style

[warped quiver]

right, what's your 'best' melee one?
I mean
not meaning to ask so bluntly
would like to know, if you're willing to share

[compact oyster]

Hive scum is a mix of necromunda and the inquisitorial agents killteam

[rotund agate]

I've got 3 technically (one Caxe melee build, one Stimm support build, and one ranged build), but I only play either the melee build, or the stimm support build if I see too many melee scums in the same team...

[wind urchin]

whats this pistol spin shot do?

high crit rate?

oh and it collates

[rotund agate]

and pinpoint accuracy, I think

[wind urchin]

this gun is awesome

[novel oracle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a07e0327-1bf5-42f9-a9bd-851793671046
probably this one
which works with shivs, knives, and taxe

[novel oracle]

are you watching your crosshair too

[wind urchin]

yes

it gets pinpoint

if you time right

[dreamy rover]

Is the rocket launcher anti-armor?

[sleek grove]

ye

shit aoe tho

[dreamy rover]

Yeah, it kinda needs a buff.

[zenith fern]

Higher damage than Krak but lesser radius of ogryn nuke

[rose flax]

Dude how rare is + 3 stamina

[winged bay]

more common than max hp/toughness rolls

[dreamy rover]

rng been kinda rough after the class update though

[rotund agate]

this is my Caxe melee build's skill tree (I mostly have stimm just for the DR and 25% toughness gain with some bonus stamina cost reduction)

also, the reload speed node is there because I like having revolver, but would rather not use Speedload (the blessing)

[rigid dock]

+3 stam just needs the curio to be above 400 right?

[zenith fern]

410

[novel oracle]

woah thats a lot of stuff that you dont need to take

[zenith fern]

Holy build

[rigid dock]

ah cheers

[dense hollow]

a melee build without the toughness nodes at the bottom?

[novel oracle]

yeah i was gonna say

[zenith fern]

What an interesting choice

[novel oracle]

this build misses the holy trinity

[zenith fern]

And I am still not 30

But I see flaws

[novel oracle]

takes just as many ranged blue talents as melee blue talents

[last roost]

i mean ive seen worst builds

[rigid dock]

until i got high enough in level to get those nodes i thought the class was made of wet 1 ply tp choosing to skip them seems crazy to me

[novel oracle]

more actually

[last roost]

nah im not either

im just lazy

[compact oyster]

Melee without adrenaline?

[last roost]

this game still kinda boring to me

[dreamy rover]

Ah, the chem dependency withdraws...

[novel oracle]

chem dependency is poop from a butt

[rose flax]

don't think speed load is stacking with speed loader anyways

[novel oracle]

it is

[zenith fern]

I would have already reached 30 and above 2 days ago but my day routine is fucked and I keep sleeping for so long after night work

[last roost]

i just aint playin darktide

[dreamy rover]

Still gotta make that dough, though

[rose flax]

It's definitely not, even if max is 70% that would be 0.66 seconds ondual auto pistols for example, yet the uptime for the blessing fails way before the reload even finishes

[zenith fern]

I also got my new vr headset and I have been fascinated by it lmao

Ans be distracted

[dense hollow]

yeah but you can't play darktide on a vr yet

[rotund agate]

I dislike losing Speedload when swapping weapons, so that's why I took Speedloader (its also a bigger bonus in one kill)...

[wind urchin]

do you guys think scum will get new weapons over time?

[rose flax]

The reload speed perk does stack, not speed load blessing though

[dense hollow]

i dont think for a long time unless it's stealing from another class

[zenith fern]

Maybe but can't know for sure

[wind urchin]

arbites seems very restricted in what they can do

but hive scum is their own thing

[novel oracle]

(i hope this is the right file)
in order

1 speedload blessing stack
5 speedload blessing stacks
1 speedload blessing stack + speedload talent
5 speedload blessing stacks + speedload talent

[rocky socket]

Hey all! Should i buy the scim or the dog?:) this is my first dlc so … i read it everywhere its really glass cannon But without the dmg ?! 😅

[dense hollow]

tell me you watched a mister e video without telling me

[dense hollow]

HAHAHAHA

[zenith fern]

Scum can deal huge damage but requires a brain and skills

[wind urchin]

the class does infact have damage

[novel oracle]

they are very much cannon

[compact oyster]

They shouldve never given him access to the media build

[dreamy rover]

How long have you been playing the game? Safe bet is the dog.

[novel oracle]

this is havoc 40

[zenith fern]

Arbites lets you be unkillable and easy to play

[random shuttle]

Don't wanna brag but I just Soloe'd an Auric Maelstrom with Scum so, I think it has the damage

[wind urchin]

I would say pick your prefered playstyle. do you like speed and adreneline? get scum. you like being a bulwark tanky vanguard man go copper

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[rocky socket]

Just 30-40 hours

[tight musk]

Having 2 arbites on the team makes things so much easier.

[zenith fern]

Scum is a skill check class

[frigid basalt]

"please stop shooting me"

"kekw"

[zenith fern]

[dense hollow]

hive scum heavily punishes bad habits, but playing hive scum will forcefully teach you those good habits

[wind urchin]

arbites cant die

thats their gimmick

[rocky socket]

On paper i like the scumm mich better! Dual stuff is my thing

[wind urchin]

if you don't mind a challenge go for it then

the dual weapons are fun

[rotund agate]

I wanted CDR for Rampage without needing to actively build my stimm for it...

[dreamy rover]

Yeah, but scum barely have any safety net.

[random shuttle]

I ain't gonna lie, Scummy does feel more flimsy and more fragile, but at the same time he is a Speed Demon and when someone says that Scummy has no Damage, they are out of their gourd, because Scum is a DMG hose Supreme 3000 Gawk-Gawk Gluckmeister

[rose flax]

speed load lasts for 2 seconds, if it stacked correctly you should be able to reload before the buff is even close to being over

[wind urchin]

scummy is as flimsy as you arent doing damage

[wind urchin]

your forced to go on the offensive and always be moving to live

[zenith fern]

Just be warned, scum while can be rewarding for your skills, you can be punished very hard for your bad positioning and awareness

[last roost]

agile glass cannon

[wind urchin]

scum is like zealot if zealot was ONLY about speed

[novel oracle]

well the stim isnt really that great without making the cooldown excessively long, so overall you could just make it be cdr then have a keystone thats active all the time instead of once every 90s

[wind urchin]

and glassy canonney stuff

since zealot has like other stuff

[novel oracle]

yeah
thats
how the blessing works

[last roost]

it can still provide some nice little buffs though

i wouldnt say low cooldown stimms are really BAD

[novel oracle]

and you can see that the reload speed still is affected

[rose flax]

But you can;t therefore it is not stacking correctly, that's not a 70% reduction

[novel oracle]

what are you even saying

[dense hollow]

speedload stacks correctly

[novel oracle]

like idk what to say
i have a video right there showing that the blessing and talent stack and result in a lower reload time

its very visible

[random shuttle]

Yeah it's rather obvious

[novel oracle]

and i literally use it all the time

[frigid basalt]

I am hoping there will be some buffs to the scum for his other talents

abilities, sorry

[vernal sluice]

LOL holy grift

[frigid basalt]

namely things like his stim pack consuming his stim

which ends up causing this weird thing where you have to use your stim then wait for it to run out then use the stim pack

[zenith fern]

I hope that they keep his glass like this forever and don't buff any of the DR stuff

[wind urchin]

honestly I wish loadouts could have different hair for hive scum

[dense hollow]

you have alot of DR

you just dont have as much recovery as other classes

[frigid basalt]

what blessings do you run on the mac10s

I've been running pinning and blaze

and I 100% miss the reload speed from speedloader when I ran those

[rose flax]

3.00 seconds - 70(or 80 if 70 isn't limit)% would be 0.9 seconds, yet the buff ends right at the end of your reload
Also, sorry about the 0.66, that was the stub pistols

[wind urchin]

the ballas

[sly cedar]

The node Blessed Stims doesn't work you don't heal corruption on kills while stimmed

[dense hollow]

reload speed is multiplicative

otherwise i'd be getting insta reloads or negative reloads

with a double barrel

[rose flax]

kulis guide says otherwise then

[tight musk]

It only heals the current wound.

[compact oyster]

You cant regen corrupted wounds

[frigid basalt]

I'm pretty sure it's multiplicative

[rose flax]

this is what I mean

[frigid basalt]

that seeems... odd?

[arctic imp]

Blessings for bonesaw?

[rose flax]

both stack the same

[frigid basalt]

if it stacked additevly wouldn't that result int some insanely fast reloads?

[rose flax]

not if it's limited to a max percent

[frigid basalt]

what's the max percent limit?

[fierce grove]

me when i forget i'm playing the squishiest class alive

[novel oracle]

but the reload speed wont drop if youre mid reload

[rose flax]

No idea, see people saying 70% is, but I have no idea where they get it

[frigid basalt]

kinda odd you didn't pop desperado

[random shuttle]

Nothing is wrong here afaik. DAP has 3s reload speed, right? Even if you get 100% Reload speed bonus that's 1.5s Reload. Seems exactly right.

[novel oracle]

as long as you start the reload before the buff is over, youll have the full buff for the duration of the reload

[fierce grove]

thought i cleared the gunners earlier

so like

[rose flax]

2 - 0.9 seconds is 1.1, there's still a second difference, yet the buff ends way before you finish, you can even see it in your video, the buff is impossible to keep up

[frigid basalt]

Isn't that the point though?

[novel oracle]

true
its impossible to get more kills after you reload

[frigid basalt]

the uptime is low because it's meant for magdump weapons?

[novel oracle]

what a shame

if only you could shoot more after a reload to restack the buff for the next reload

[rose flax]

You guys aren't getting it, it's not just the fact that you can't keep the buff, it's the fact that the reload speed reducted is clrearly not the correct amount, or the buff it self is the issue with it's timing

[frigid basalt]

I mean

you're maybe right that the uptime dropping so fast results in slower reloads than it advertises

idk I never tested it

[rose flax]

If we ignore stuff like this, we get + 50% recoil from the reduction of it

[novel oracle]

How is it not the correct amount
And I dont see an issue with the timing of the buff

[frigid basalt]

but either way the faster reload is what I'm after and it speeds it up enough, that's good enough for me

[terse creek]

If you are struggling to keep up desperado with dual autos, the shredder auto is easier to keep up desperado

[random shuttle]

Shredder-mredder

IAG Vraks

[terse creek]

Or that, yes

Also a solid choice

[frigid basalt]

I don't like the vraks

the hipfire accuracy feels terrible

[terse creek]

Been havoc testing those 2 and I’m surprise that they perform really well

[frigid basalt]

damage and magdumping is still very fun with it

[kind mist]

The normal weapons are often outperforming scum weapons.

[frigid basalt]

just wish hipfire didn't require extra buffs to be good

[compact oyster]

fellas are we jolly?

[winter tusk]

she stim on my hive until i scum

[terse creek]

If you don’t like it, shredder auto is 👌

[compact oyster]

i wish scum got a 2 handed weapon

maybe on some off chance we can get the concept art chain glaive

[frigid basalt]

wish he got sledge hammer

[dense hollow]

2 axes duct taped together

[frigid basalt]

just an unpowered thammer

that somehow does more damage because of some funky finesse damage stuff

[kind mist]

motherwrench

[hot moth]

isn't crowbar swung two handed

[random shuttle]

Hive scum new weapon concept: job application

[terse creek]

Warframe, cringe

[random shuttle]

strong DOT

debuffs

[compact oyster]

IT ISNT THE SAME THING

[terse creek]

Mark my words, I wouldn’t be surprise if FS nerf the stim pistol one of this days

[random shuttle]

Naaaah

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/gwent-gwent-card-northern-realms-temerian-infantry-gif-13806326

[dense hollow]

i think if they go that route they'd just nerf the actual chem toxin status instead of the gun

[random shuttle]

They gonna nerf psyker to help Scum

[compact oyster]

im gonna poke chaos spawn with my power halberd

[terse creek]

Probably, but I can see a nerf coming, that thing is ridiculous against any boss you hit, I can just mag dump em 2-3 times and run away and never smack em on melee and they just die, even when not building into toxins

[vernal sluice]

that'd be so incredibly funny considering how many unasked for buffs psyker got

[dense hollow]

yeah its probably the safest damage against monstrosities that exists in the game

5 shots and maxed stacks

[frigid basalt]

Does make me sad that there's no spear weapons yet

[compact oyster]

if fatshark keeps following the dark heresy ttrpg we should be getting assassin techpriest and adepta sororitas or battle sister as future classes

[novel oracle]

i know desperado shredder is good but i cant see it outperforming the level of dual autos

[compact oyster]

ogryn trows in a curveball since its not an origin in the ttrpg

[terse creek]

Simple: uptime

[vocal saffron]

Sayin goodbye 2 all the guyz i thought were pawesome ,,

Zad ,,

[kind mist]

I think dual autos win vs unyielding and rended carapace but single outperforms in most other situations.

[vernal sluice]

Whoop whoop that's the sound of the pawlice

[compact oyster]

guh

[sleek grove]

brauto>dual guns

[random shuttle]

iag>brauto>dap

[vocal saffron]

Hate the Army but

This part is always a lil sad

But rlly sad cuz i knew these gloopz for 14 monthz instead of the usual 9 ,,

[broken moss]

i dont think anything in the scumbags kit can top dual autos. unfortunately

[vocal saffron]

Let me cry into ur shoulder yamyam ,,

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/comforting-crying-this-is-us-kevin-randall-gif-11222861

[novel oracle]

i really dont think it is

[hot moth]

Can I ask how you arrive to this conclusion, sincerely curious

The shorter reloads?

[kind mist]

dps

[compact oyster]

how.

[arctic imp]

Chem tox as a tree doesn’t have much going for it despite the strength of the status effect, so nerfing that would be… pretty bad.

[vernal sluice]

which brauto mark even

[vocal saffron]

Agri

[tight musk]

Wait...stimm supply consumes your stimm but doesn't give you a stack of chemical dependency?

[arctic imp]

For now, yes

Hopefully it gets looked at

[vocal saffron]

Hoping it's unintentional

[arctic imp]

Me tooooo

[novel oracle]

it is

[vocal saffron]

Good cuz i was gonna blame u cole

[arctic imp]

Hey cole what are you reckoning the best blessings are for the bonesaw?

[vernal sluice]

Graia brauto was much more fun to use for me

[hot moth]

Because you can take ramping crit on shredder? is that why?

[novel oracle]

shock and awe and decimator

[winter tusk]

she stim on my hive until I scum

[kind mist]

because I shoot a target and it dies faster

[compact oyster]

ngl i find it kinda weird how darktide has no polearms even though there are quite a few in vt2

[hot moth]

i thought the DAP have 1. biggerbullets and 2. higher RPM

is this not the case...?

[novel oracle]

i know the shredder has significantly higher maniac damage

[compact oyster]

im yearning for it

[robust sable]

It also sounds neat

[main elm]

And IAG? Do you find them on par with duals ?

[robust sable]

[novel oracle]

ive honestly not checked

[random shuttle]

I like IAG way more than DAP

[tight musk]

Yeah, I'm testing it in the meat grinder, you get no stack, and if you use your stimm before dropping the supply to get a stack of dependency, you don't activate your stimm on the supply because you technically don't have it.

[random shuttle]

It has faster reload baseline, Dumdum+Fire Frenzy are both Close Range giga dmg buffs, and so as long as you kill Blue enemies the dmg ramp up massively.

[dense hollow]

correct, chemical dependency is anti synergistic with stim box

[main elm]

I want to like dual stubs but can’t be arsed to spam M1 during Desperado

[robust sable]

Double Barrel w/ Both Barrels + Deathspitter is moderately humorous with Desperado

[random shuttle]

Wait

I just realized that FS forgot to change flavour text? XD

[vocal saffron]

Full auto mod

[random shuttle]

They renamed it to Vraks but fluff says Columnus still

[dense hollow]

oops

[vocal saffron]

How could u do dis .

@novel oracle

[novel oracle]

the name changes happened before i was tester you cannot possible accuse me of this

[novel oracle]

idk, the enemy that dies faster is only dreg rager with my build with the shredder
both using speedload and blaze away on scum

like mauler body shots the dual autos are 2x as fast

and thats just flak

gunners are also dying faster too

[compact oyster]

lore inconsistenty detected

sending a message to GW right now

[robust sable]

They're going to take action on you for daring to interact with them and what you think is lore accurate

[novel oracle]

dual autos are killing gunners faster to the body than shredders are to the head

both kinds

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-jolly-cat-jolly-cat-merry-christmas-gif-9272976883674260918

[vocal saffron]

FUCK christmas

[novel oracle]

so idk if i really agree tyr

[vernal sluice]

yeah shredder auto just sucks on hivescum from what I've played with it

[novel oracle]

no it doesnt suck

[vocal saffron]

Yes it does

Dummy

[tight musk]

They're gonna have to gigabuff the rocket launcher. Stun grenades are kinda neat, toxin grenades are war crime machines and the rocket launcher is kinda just very mid.

I can't believe they gave toxin grenades more charges by default than the mid bringer.

[novel oracle]

its still very very good in this build
im saying the dual autos are just better

[vocal saffron]

Baka chungus cole

[vernal sluice]

well compared to brauto, dual autos and iag it comes accross as pretty damn underwhelming

[random shuttle]

You don't understand. Either a weapon is Best or it sucks ass. There is no ground for spectrums of power in Dorktide

[vocal saffron]

Can we kill Cole ?

[novel oracle]

iags cant get run n gun

[random shuttle]

Imma go write an essay about how anyone using anything else but DAP is bad and they should go play Barbie Wonderland Adventure instead.

[compact oyster]

WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT CHRISTMAS

[novel oracle]

so whats the point

[robust sable]

Desperado with Zarona Revolver 💪

(I am a detriment to my team)

[torpid cloud]

what kinda stats do we want on our shivs

[vocal saffron]

FUCK christma s. YA H U heardeth Me ,

[sleek grove]

It's fine-ish, they jsut need to double the explosion radius

[torpid cloud]

birdbrain

[sleek grove]

It's insane that it has the same radius of a crak grenade 😂

[torpid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-kasane-teto-jamie-paige-birdbrain-teto-dance-gif-5360684036479908174

[vernal sluice]

idrc about iag not having run and gun

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/jolly-posting-jolly-christmas-merry-ltg-gif-18217581716871329871

[tight musk]

It's just a worse krak grenade with less charges and no way to regen it.

[winter tusk]

Ayo who up stimmin they scum

[torpid cloud]

its fun tho

so its avalid pick

[sleek grove]

It's been a while since i played vet, but does the krak oneshot crushers?

Like, at least it does that, the real problem is the absolute ass aoe

if it was double the amount i feel it would be fine

[novel oracle]

i love my close range guns

[sleek grove]

somwhere in between krak and big box of boom 😂

[vernal sluice]

I've had edge cases where a krak didn't oneshot a crusher on auric but I wasn't able to replicate that

[compact oyster]

KITTY

[random shuttle]

I love Mortussy

Mortussy best game mode.

Fuck Havoc.

[torpid cloud]

howd you get your spread to nothing lmao

[tawdry tusk]

Are yall having issues with servers as well?

[novel oracle]

thats just sticky fingers

[random shuttle]

Sticky Hands + Run n Gun likely

[novel oracle]

and the baked in run n gun

you can stack it with the run n gun blessing but i dont think thats worth it

[tight musk]

I had a game with 4 veterans all running kraks and we were deleting every bulwark, crusher and boss that dared to stand in our way, and then getting all our grenades back for free.

[novel oracle]

do you wanna see all 3 at once

[wind urchin]

thats weird what happened to the event for me

[reef skiff]

any tips for survivability as Hive Scum

[torpid cloud]

sure

[novel oracle]

the holy trinity + learn to position properly

[torpid cloud]

spam dodge and slides

[broken moss]

I only use the one on the left of the one on the left in that image

[reef skiff]

i saw a reddit post where a commenter described Hive Scum as the ultimate litmus test for whether or not you know basic survival skills in darktide or not

and i think thats pretty accurate

[torpid cloud]

i like some spread, allows some morew leeway in aiming xD

[novel oracle]

thats why i just use sticky fingers and the baked in run n gun lol

plus blaze away is just better

[broken moss]

there's plenty of classes with builds that just don't require half the level of "paranoid defense" as scumbags do

[wind urchin]

Wtf

Wheres my event 😭

They stole it cuz I am scum

🥀

[novel oracle]

check with melk

[vernal sluice]

"Paranoid defense" dude you simply have to dodge incoming damage it's not that deep

[wind urchin]

I see will do

[sudden jolt]

I haven't done strict stat comparison but one up shredders have over duals is that it has very consistent crit chains that tip the scales against armor classes

[dense hollow]

wtf does paranoid defense mean

[broken moss]

seems pretty deep seeing as how some 80+% of people I see playing it can't survive a match without going down several times

my point is that it's exceptionally weak. no other class requires you to be that paranoid

unless you're playing desperado specced heavily into cdr

[novel oracle]

but dual autos still does that better cuz the non crits do 3x as much, and the crits do 20% more
and the dual autos have a +5% baked in crit chance while the shredder has -2%

[novel oracle]

seems pretty deep seeing as how some 80+% of people I see playing it can't survive a match without going down several times
do you know if these people relied on things like gold toughness, chorus, bubble, arbites DR, etc to survive before playing scum?

or are you assuming they know what theyre doing?

cuz most are in the first camp

[vernal sluice]

I could accept the argument that playing scum competently is tiresome for most people but calling scum exceptionally weak is ridiculous

[frigid basalt]

I as much as I want to say scum is the hardest class

there's also that little bit of like

desperado and vultur immunity is kinda nutty

[broken moss]

yes, I'm certain they relied on the other classes primary abilities for survival prior to the most squishy class in the game released. I think that goes without saying

[novel oracle]

the primary abilities for survival are dodging, blocking, and pushing

[vernal sluice]

I play scum almost the same way I play any other class, except I dodge and block a bit more often, and I rarely if ever go down. I don't know how else to break this down for you

[dense hollow]

i dodge, block and push exactly as often as i do on the other classes

there is no difference

the difference is my mistakes are lethal

on this class

[sinful matrix]

Ogryn not catching hands praise be 🙏

[novel oracle]

like tell me that VOC is youre primary way of avoiding melee attacks

[vernal sluice]

the 80%+ of players you've mentioned stand still, have tunnel vision, ignore ranged enemies and stand out in the open basically all of the time

[broken moss]

you can't block or push to defend against ranged fire in most cases and even dodge isn't just going to make you immune to it

[novel oracle]

do i go down the list, or...?

[vernal sluice]

of course they're going to think the class sucks

[novel oracle]

true i didnt mention sliding

[broken moss]

I don't think anyone playing scumbag is struggling vs melee

[novel oracle]

which is what thats for

[dense hollow]

you have atleast 90% ranged invincibility uptime on slide chaining

[sinful matrix]

Counterpoint: Even with all that, pubgryns are among some of the worst players in the game

Which is. . . kind of sad

[dense hollow]

if you need more than that then you're way out of position

[vernal sluice]

hivescum does have the tools for dealing with this though

[novel oracle]

lmfao

[broken moss]

I don't have issues surviving and I don't run around spamming slide

[hushed oracle]

Soo what's a general good path for a bonesaw+needle pistol build? Been running stun blitz with pocket toxin, stim supply, and adrenaline

[sinful matrix]

yeah once I got this, I started feeling pretty invincible

[novel oracle]

oh and lets throw in a 50% effective increase to your toughness, right when you need it too

[vernal sluice]

if the gunners are too far away to dodge towards them, you can throw a blinder. you can pop desperado, you can stay in cover and plink them with the needler

[dense hollow]

this node alone makes ranged not even a threat honestly even in melee builds

[sinful matrix]

Just have to watch out for bursters nuking 85% of my HP for no reason

[dense hollow]

if you're not playing like a goblin

[sinful matrix]

Yeah that

[broken moss]

I run this on my melee build

[vernal sluice]

vid won't load for me what is it

[novel oracle]

i run all 3 of these on every build

because they are all just that good

[dense hollow]

core trinity

[sinful matrix]

Cole getting nuked by bursters with bugged stagger

[dense hollow]

no reason not to run

[vernal sluice]

I hate those so much 💀

[broken moss]

I don't have any of those I don't think the melee build has the one on the left

[novel oracle]

or making no noise at all

[vernal sluice]

nasty

[novel oracle]

ive been saying a lot that people that are struggling hard with survivability on scum are missing those talents
and more often than not im right

[obsidian cipher]

bro I cant lmao

[dense hollow]

bro

[vernal sluice]

mr e

[sinful matrix]

I could hear the burster the whole time but it wasn't getting closer.

[vernal sluice]

🚮

[sinful matrix]

And then it just randomly exploded the second it exited the door

[broken moss]

yea it's definitely a lot of survivability. if you are having trouble, those can carry you

[obsidian cipher]

LMFAO

[dense hollow]

melee scum has 45% DR and 10% TDR on any build that isn't made by a gremlin

[sinful matrix]

We love bursters

[obsidian cipher]

hive scum is the most skill issue this community has ever seen

[broken moss]

I think their melee is just kinda weak

[rocky socket]

I cant..this guy talks about stuff what can be told in 10 minutes. The video gonna be 2 hours

[winged bay]

scum melee is incredibly easy with the dodge talents, you've infinite dodges and can dodge so late

[vernal sluice]

I can't believe Darktide has its own dark souls microcosm now

[novel oracle]

and its awesome

[vernal sluice]

when I glanced at day 1 negative reviews on steam most of them were just skill issue

[broken moss]

if you really want to pump big damage, the braindead option is dual auto pistols

[obsidian cipher]

I probably carried over 10 h40 today doing top everything as melee ds, shit is fun as f

[broken moss]

you gotta work real hard to get any kind of damage with melee

[obsidian cipher]

if they buff it its gonna be arb all over again

[vernal sluice]

have you tried rampage with bonesaw on auric

[broken moss]

yes

[rocky socket]

Thats the way to go then?

[vernal sluice]

you can completely stop comboing or even blocking when rampage is up

it's braindead

[sinful matrix]

To be expected. Everything has been blatantly overpowered for so long(Psyker aside - because they have the same issue as Hive Scum, getting tagged by one bruiser nukes 50% of your toughness, the second nukes the rest of your toughness and 40% of your HP) that people forgot how to play the game

[broken moss]

you can survive but you won't do damage

[dreamy rover]

So, what other perks are bugged besides hypercritical?

[sinful matrix]

So now they bitch that Hive Scum isn't an invulnerable murder machine and is instead a glass murder machine

[novel oracle]

psyker doesnt have this problem any more

[sinful matrix]

and refuse to adapt to the class

[novel oracle]

theyre fucking tanky as shit now

[broken moss]

it just doesn't do what auto pistols do and it ain't close

[obsidian cipher]

Try to play around hyper violence

[sinful matrix]

Fair enough

[vernal sluice]

psyker no longer has this issue. I have to ignore getting the new defensive talents in my builds and even then it's still notably tankier than it used t obe

[broken moss]

which ones that

[vernal sluice]

and if you grab the whole bunch, you're immune to chip damage on auric

[broken moss]

ah.

[vernal sluice]

unless you're the average darktide player

[broken moss]

I mean I just throw myself at mobs and try to kill shit

[obsidian cipher]

tideASMR?

[broken moss]

it's boss damage is pretty solid I just feel like my overall damage is hard to get up

[sinful matrix]

I just hope randoms have been able to learn anything from watching my solo clutches

[broken moss]

you got people in the group with auto pistols demolishing everything. and hopefully nobody else running tox

[frigid adder]

How we doing crackheads?

[sinful matrix]

The game's not like, super hard until you get to Havoc 20 or so

[sleek grove]

Deathspitter or Fire Frenzy for iag?

[sinful matrix]

Maelstrom is "Random Bullshit Go" which has its own kind of difficulty, but its still tuned to Auric

[sudden jolt]

Iunno, I feel that crit chains make up for the reduced crit chance and would far exceed the crit rate disparity the more crit chance boosts you stack up

[novel oracle]

i feel like thats a crazy statement when they literally have an ability that gives them 75% power, 25% attack speed, and 50% cleave, then you throw in adrenaline and hyper violence and everything just dies

[sudden jolt]

and shredders have an exceedingly high effectiveness on maniac for some reason

[obsidian cipher]

Once (HOPEFULLY) they fix hyper critical, OH BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

[broken moss]

you just can't reach out and touch as much as the auto pistols can

[dense hollow]

there are builds that you don't need to compete with

[vernal sluice]

my only complaints with hivescum are the icky talent bugs which will hopefully be fixed soon, the antagonistic weirdness with stimm crate and chem dependency + the custom stimm system gets introduced too early

[broken moss]

auto pistols one shot most man sized enemies. and they do it from across the map

[vernal sluice]

building a custom stimm at level 5 is terrible and left me with a really bad first impression of the system

[obsidian cipher]

What difficult are u playing?

[fickle socket]

whats a good curios combo
rn im rocking 2 toughness with 1 health

[dense hollow]

2 toughness 1 stamina never failed me

3 stamina if you want to go all in on attack speed node

[broken moss]

auric maels

[obsidian cipher]

If you're playing anything below havoc, unfortunately whoever gets first to monsters normally have higher dmg

[frigid basalt]

pretty much every class in this game runs 2 toughness 1 stamina

[sinful matrix]

I use:

Toughness

Toughness

Gunner Res

Combat Ability Regen

x3

[broken moss]

I don't do havoc

[frigid basalt]

only one that doesn't do that is maybe vet

[novel oracle]

hyper critical cuts hyper violence short, you dont want to pair the two even when they fix the toughness bug

[robust sable]

Same but Combat Ability Regen instead of HP

[vernal sluice]

Psyker runs 3 toughness, it has little need for stamina

[broken moss]

I do weeklies for mats. no interest

[frigid basalt]

who runs health, stam, toughness

[sinful matrix]

Oh wait no, thanks for the correction

I actually use CAR too

[obsidian cipher]

Are u sure? I tested it and hyper violence was working with HC procs
not sure if it had lower values tho

[sinful matrix]

Dunno why I said HP perk

200 Hp baseline is fine and doesn't need to be buffed

[frigid basalt]

oh wait

did they ever give vet some better stamina regen

or is he still suffereing from lung cancer

[obsidian cipher]

HC should still have overkill dmg, right?

[novel oracle]

how would it give overkill damage?

[vernal sluice]

Improved the stam regen delay

[novel oracle]

when it procs, it instantly deals the remainder of the enemies health, resulting in 0 overkill

[vernal sluice]

From 1 s to 0.75 s base I think

[novel oracle]

.75

[frigid basalt]

that's good

oh nvm

[vernal sluice]

Ah ok

[frigid basalt]

.75 still seems a bit on the high side

[novel oracle]

that matches zealot

arbites psyker and scum are .5

[vernal sluice]

Not really the reduction is immediately noticeable

[frigid basalt]

was his regen amoutn also on the low side?

or was it just the regen delay?

[vernal sluice]

Idr

I did (and still do) run stam regen on my vet's curios tho

[frigid basalt]

yeah, it's always nice because of that talent

don't remember the name rn

sharpshooter?

[vernal sluice]

Deadshot

More like deadshit lol

I hate that talent

[frigid basalt]

I mostly use it for funny recon lasgun

[novel oracle]

vets actual stam regen is the worst

[vernal sluice]

Thankfully mmf was tweaked to be actually worth using now so I run that instead 🙏

[novel oracle]

it matches psyker at 1 stam per second

[vernal sluice]

Exe stance buff was awesome too

[sleek grove]

what's the good IAG version?

[novel oracle]

for comparison
ogryn and zealot are 1.5/s
scum is 2/s

[vernal sluice]

Vraks

[hushed oracle]

Fast-firing one for DPS.

I like the slow-firing one though, as it can actually onetap shooters to the face

[frigid basalt]

vraks is best

others are still fun

[sleek grove]

let's try the vrak i guess

[hushed oracle]

It basically has all the DPS of something like the shredder or a brauto, but you can ADS with it so it's laser accurate too

[hot moth]

after a game with shredder over DAP i am a convert

[signal nebula]

finally figured out a Chemical Dependency build I like, feels good as well

[hot moth]

the lower paper DPS is heavily compensated for by the fact you don't need to take any blessings to "correct" the DAP's shortcomings

you don't need RNG because the spread is already tight

[sleek grove]

i'm a lover of the slow brauto tbh

[hot moth]

you don't need speedload because your reload is already short

so you can just take two DPS blessings while still retaning your ability to snipe specials and not get caught out

[hushed oracle]

It's okay. Could really use Run and Gun though. All variants of the brauto could.

[hot moth]

ramping crit gives you surprisingly okay damage into carapace

and then there's just how good it is at maniac dps, which includes most specials and muties

[sleek grove]

i mean even the brauto you can snipe pretty much everythin with the exception of other side of the map snipers

[hot moth]

yeah but compared to unblessing'd DAP

[hushed oracle]

True, but missing is the biggest DPS loss

[hot moth]

you don't even need to stand still to let your aim shrink down

just run around and continue shooting

[sleek grove]

i mean as much as i like DAPs their mid range accuracy is horrendous

[hot moth]

brauto really benefits from standing still for a second

shredder doesn't even need that

[vernal sluice]

I use the agri brauto for that because it has the most manageable recoil

[frigid basalt]

you odn't run the talent that shrinks your spread?

[sleek grove]

Agri brauto for life

[frigid basalt]

I just use that and anythign can be shot from anywhere

[sleek grove]

oh i run it

but even with that, again, i'm just to used to years of brauto veteran xd

[frigid basalt]

since I have effectively infinite ammo I just saturate whatever I'm trying to hit and it usually works

[obsidian cipher]

X enemy with 1k health, you crit for 600, HyperCritical procs and it calculates 1200 total dmg, insta killing the enemy with 200 overkill dmg
Ima open the game real quickly again to test it
I crited around 1,5k on a rager (h40), insta killing it and my next light did 2,1k crit
Tried it again, 1,5k crit -> insta kill, did a light on a second rager 1,1k non crit
pretty sure its bugged lol
ima upload it real quickly

[main wagon]

My EU buddy has been feeling the pain with the overloaded US servers

[fast gust]

any vt2 vet that reads this is gonna get the need to strangle this steam user

[frigid basalt]

I miss Vt2 melee combat