hivescum-class

[obsidian crown]

It’s not necessarily overheads

[hardy spruce]

and by tank I mean stack enough dr to live

[obsidian crown]

Just saying they take longer to kill than anything else

For desperado

[sinful matrix]

Pubgryns are always so bad 😔

[fallen acorn]

when doing a support build, is it better to run a stim that has a low cooldown or a long cooldown?

cuz getting it back the second ur stimm is up is nice, but to do so consistently requires having less effects?

also for my clarification when u drop the stim does "equipped" mean active and ready to use or that you just need to be using a custom stim

[tiny pilot]

Is it me or is the stims the hive class has so ungodly underwhelming

[young herald]

the stim crate will consume your stim and grant its effect to the party. If it is on cooldown, then all the crate does is give the anti-corruption effects

[hallow creek]

bruh now that im avoiding toughness bugs im so tanky

[fallen acorn]

huge info

[rotund agate]

I think I prefer running the speedload talent instead of the blessing on revolver.

[low harbor]

man the dual 1911s are sad

what the fuck is this

[fallen acorn]

ima be so real i thought they were deagles

whats yalls move on ur support case stimm then?

[tiny pilot]

Just don't do that

Simple

Not worth

[fallen acorn]

cuz this is what im chilling with

[tiny pilot]

Spam those guns

[hallow creek]

lul that hive scum probably found those off a dead guy next to the corpse starch factory

stop complaining

[low harbor]

the spam is also outclassed by other guns unfortunately

[tiny pilot]

Have you actually tried?

I have

They are solid

[low harbor]

yea they're pretty mid

[versed spruce]

It is not worth the time spent spinning the gun except for the extra range

Vs. just

spamming

But then just use dual auto

Less carpal tunnel too

[harsh reef]

crit bonus stat doesnt work

[near mauve]

ok but two pistols are basically max payne cosplay

[hasty agate]

I’d main the dual stubs if it wasn’t for having to spam LMB.

[obsidian crown]

Surely fullauto mod solves that when fixed

[versed spruce]

Yeah the only reason I still like the dual stubs is because it's swaggy

[tiny pilot]

Just use them like guns

[hallow creek]

also my hitman fantasy, they silverballers to me

https://tenor.com/view/hitman-agent-47-gif-13432691273008942948

[fast gust]

Scum has access to all 3 shotgun variants if you are not happy

[acoustic viper]

Mainly just use the stubs for aura farming

[pure escarp]

if spinning, do one shot whilst spinning and immediately shoot a shot after that because the bloom doesnt fully reset yet

[low harbor]

I like the dual 1911s but I think they can use a bit better finesse

[harsh reef]

or normal revolver

[dawn portal]

Guys, Im cooking. The real desperado build is Argi Revolver. With Desperado up, one mag dump is one crusher kill

[pure escarp]

the stubs are fun, but admittedly not amazing

[hasty agate]

I don’t fuck with mods, I keep it all natural over here.

[obsidian crown]

There’s some really good QoL mods tbh

Like guaranteed weapon swap, etc

[acoustic viper]

Soft hands brother

[near mauve]

game is borderline unplayable without guarantee ability activasion at the very least

[pure escarp]

i’m pretty glad the class didnt ship overpowered like arbites launch, though the handful of broken talents are a shame

[acoustic viper]

“Unplayable” what the

[low harbor]

it's supposed to be +5% for reg shots and +20% for spin shots iirc

[near mauve]

yes i love it when my qq doesnt respond and i get stuck in animations

or when i mash F and my ability doesnt trigger

[edgy jungle]

is blessed stims broken.. used it in 2 runs and it didn't heal corruption

[pure escarp]

I always see people talking about guaranteed weapon swap, what exactly does it do?

[tiny pilot]

Currently im just saying to hell with the custom stims and picking up the random stims to use in the stimm supply

[pure escarp]

I dont think i’ve ever had my weapon not swap

[near mauve]

makes weapon swapping way smoother so u can do last minute swaps to snipe the trappers that's gonna end your run pretty comfortably
basically u dont get locked into animations if you're doing fast qq stuff

[obsidian crown]

The vanilla game has issues swapping weapons when you’re in the middle of an action. It’s queueing your button presses so if you wanted to swap to a different weapon after realizing the situation you’re in requires a different one, it delays sometimes. The mod makes it instant

Overrides the queue in a way

[young herald]

when you hit the swap weapons button, if the game isn't able to do that (e.g., you're in an animation and locked to your current weapon), it then queues up the swap and the next frame the swap is available, triggers it then

[near mauve]

its one of those things that u dont notice until u try it out and then u simply cant go back

[pure escarp]

Ah I have had that issue then, i’ll be thinking i’m mashing push follow up and still shooting lol

[young herald]

i'm just annoyed it's broken as fuck with scum stims

[pure escarp]

I think stimm supply and right path as a whole is kinda buns

[harsh reef]

damn that ..... sounds bad

[obsidian crown]

Do you have the stim countdown mod? It’s a huge lifesaver for it tbh

[hallow creek]

the whole right side of the tree is held together by the chem grenade

it doesnt know what it wants to do

utility? support?

damage?

[young herald]

nope, never heard of it

[round jay]

Idk about this, but the infantry autogun feels way better than the dual uzis autopistols for me

[round jay]

Get it, it's really useful.

[obsidian crown]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/653

[hasty agate]

Or just be a man and play without mods

[bronze glade]

ngl this is basically mandatory

for HIV

[low harbor]

this weapon can seriously use a dmg buff, its dmg model is rly awkward
cuz u can make boltpistol actually consistently 1 tap on hvs, and it gets >half the ammo of dual 1911s with twice the kill efficiency, while having gloryhunter to feed tgh

[round jay]

Console players be like

[young herald]

neat, looks useful, but also completely irrelevant to guarantee weapon swap being broken as shit

[sinful matrix]

I'm a woman but I play without mods

take that

[hasty agate]

More like 3k hours in game on pc with no mods

[hallow creek]

i would but cooldown reductions with stimms specifically are convoluted to the point i need a timer to help me along to keep cdr stacks up

[near mauve]

fellas is it unmanly to use qol

[obsidian crown]

Part of the issue I was having with it was it was hard to see when it was on CD so it helps at least

[round jay]

There's also a mod to "fix" weapon swap, I can't live without it tbh, specially coming from Vermintide

[sinful matrix]

This woman says no

[obsidian crown]

Because when you try to use a stim and it’s not ready yet, it bugs out

[sinful matrix]

Only mod I actually find kind of annoying at this point is people using the scoreboard mod to shit-talk randoms

[young herald]

you mean this one? https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/331

cuz I have that one and it's broken as shit rn

[fast gust]

Must be an NA thing, never seen such happen in EU

[sinful matrix]

Oh, I meant here in this discord

[novel oracle]

that sounds like something someone 500k damage lower than me would say

[fast gust]

Think the bigger issue is mods like psyknautics which are straight wallhacks

[sinful matrix]

I've literally never seen anyone do it in-game

[round jay]

Yeah, check the config just in case, I set the limit to 3

Otherwise, idk

[fast gust]

Steam discussion has been arguing it's constant and all mods are bad

[sinful matrix]

If I could read that'd upset me

but alas I am an ogryn

[flat mist]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/WlVJa1

@low harbor

[young herald]

the problem is just that the scum stimm works differently from normal stims, and the mod doesn't know how to handle it so if you hit the scum stimm button while it's on cooldown, the mod freaks out and breaks shit until the stimm comes off cooldown, at which point it uses the stim immediately

[round jay]

Shucks, I just like seeing the team's performance

[sinful matrix]

But yeah, the scoreboard shit talking is the only thing that really bothers me any more about mods

Use what you want, I don't care anymore

[fallen acorn]

im so lost wtf yall on about weapon swapping being busted

[obsidian crown]

Yeah. So the stimm countdown helps because it’s a giant red number saying don’t use it

[round jay]

Probably gonna be fixed in the future, unless the mod's abandoned

[fallen acorn]

how is changing weapons considered this crusted

[low harbor]

wot

[sinful matrix]

I have no idea what the mod is attempting to do

Oh I see

[sturdy linden]

ok finally managed to get a win in

[flat mist]

are you unsure what im showing you or confused by the outcome

[sturdy linden]

had a Vet that went down 9 times

[sinful matrix]

Seems like an okay mod

[sturdy linden]

that was fun

[young herald]

yeah, i'm sure it'll get fixed eventually, it's just broken for now and not really usable on the scum unless you never hit the stim hotkey early

[sinful matrix]

the framelocking for weapon swapping is kind of annoying

didn't used to be this bad

[toxic dagger]

so the game has these windows during/after a lot of attacks and actions where any inputs from your side are "lost" because you're still locked in an animation and the game doesn't buffer the input to execute it as soon as possible afterwards

this leads to weapon swaps being "eaten" sometimes and that split second mistake can cause you to die in high level havocs for example

[low harbor]

are u talking abt vulture's dodge

[toxic dagger]

(this is my understanding of it)

[flat mist]

yes

[obsidian crown]

Yeah

[fallen acorn]

sounds like too much thinking im gonna shoot bad guys

[low harbor]

prob bug then

[toxic dagger]

so there is a mod that forces input buffering any time you press the swap weapon key so that it WILL happen as soon as possible no matter what

[low harbor]

cuz it works in meat grinder

[chrome cloud]

What is the difference wit hthe bone saw poisons?

[sturdy linden]

green = dot, purple = rending

[young herald]

semi-relatedly, the technical reasons for this are actually kinda fascinating. The way weapons and attacks and shit work in this game is a wild combination of brilliant and incredibly fucking bizarre, and I kinda love it

[chrome cloud]

same thing with the needle pistol?

[hallow creek]

no

[sturdy linden]

depends on mark

yellow = 6 stacks of dot (iirc)
blue = 3 stacks + target spreads poison on death (mk2), 3 stacks + target explodes on death (mk6)

[round jay]

Game programmed with extreme sophistication and thoughtfulness then netcode made with punch cards

[chrome cloud]

whats the difrence with the needles marks?

[round jay]

Credit where credit's due, having high ping doesn't feel awful like in other games

[chrome cloud]

MKVI vs MKii

[young herald]

not even, the code for the game itself has some kinda brilliant stuff put right up against some incredibly stupid stuff; FS code is insane

[toxic dagger]

I'm not a code person at all but I have gotten that distinct impression also

[young herald]

there's near-zero consistency to anything as well, which makes trying to figure out what anything does a real pain in the ass

[pure escarp]

they have a proprietary engine for the tide games as well

[toxic dagger]

throwback to tinyangrycrab losing his mind for a while trying to understand the crit_boost function (or finesse curve or something)

[young herald]

some multipliers are (value * multiplier), others are (value * (1+(multiplier-1)), for example

[reef vector]

does anyone know the list of mods that are back and working now?

[sturdy linden]

this is really silly isn't it

(despacito uzis)

[round jay]

Kinda reminds me on how people lost their mind finding out in TF2 valve servers, matchmaking and autobalance can't run at the same time

[young herald]

I still don't understand the finesse curve, ngl. I figured out how to change it and what doing that does, but how it does that, I have no earthly idea

[toxic dagger]

I think crab did end up understanding it

but I don't think he was able to explain it to anyone else

[young herald]

lol yeah that sounds about right

[toxic dagger]

I doubt anyone at fatshark knows how it works now.

[sturdy linden]

1 more silly

[young herald]

I'm sure I could figure it out with enough effort, but I'd rather do almost anything else with the next week

[sturdy linden]

(crowbar + crate)

[toxic dagger]

yeah crab is just that unique combination of extraordinarily erudite and intelligent and also obsessed with understanding videogame engine shenanigans

[round jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k238XpMMn38

I feel like this can just be applied to any game, really

[young herald]

probably

but hey, if you wanna learn how this shit works, I made a mod you can use to dive into the insanity!

[toxic dagger]

you either die writing clean clode or you live long enough to see yourself wading through spaghetti

[toxic dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/weeze-vpit-vkunia-veeme-troy-gif-25310810

no thank you.

[viral monolith]

This just sounds like the average satisfactory game

[round jay]

My mind is sculpted for arts, not code, I prefer my brain rots only in one side

[young herald]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/648 too late, I'm shilling it anyway, cuz this shit was honestly a lot of fun to figure out

[toxic dagger]

oh is this the mod where you can customize attacks yourself to make new prototypes in the psyk?

[young herald]

yeah

[toxic dagger]

yeee i saw that chainaxe mockup with crowbar logic you made

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[young herald]

haha fuck ya

[sturdy linden]

time to throw some money at melk again

[round jay]

I can make you a proper draw to use for thumbnail idk

[viral monolith]

For context:

[round jay]

Or rather, would, if I had the time

[young herald]

tbh, that was literally the only image I could find on both google and duck duck go that featured something vaguely like a techpriest actually at a workbench tinkering with something

every other picture, every single one, was a techpriest standing there staring ominously into the distance with a gun and/or giant axe in hand

[sturdy linden]

Melk just gave me 3 400-rating fake stams in a row

[young herald]

pwnt

[young herald]

yoink

[round jay]

Should make a techpriest eating a toaster like Kronos lmao

[civic plinth]

Yooo so any hive scum build recommendations

[viral monolith]

Also it took me 66 tries to get the perfect dual stub pistols, kind of funny considering my username

[broken moss]

im interpreting this as admech being the next class

[hasty agate]

Did anyone answer this already?

[toxic dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1351631649372246066/Warhammer40000_Darktide2025-03-1818-45-39-Trim-ezgif.com-optimize_online-video-cutter.com.gif

[broken moss]

https://tenor.com/view/what-you-gonna-do-about-it-vinny-assisted-living-what-are-you-gonna-do-you-gonna-do-something-about-it-gif-18644717

[sturdy linden]

~5k bux gone, at least I got 1 17% toughness to show for it

[toxic dagger]

I spent 100k and got 2x 17% and 1x genuine 3stam

[chrome cloud]

no

[split halo]

https://i.imgur.com/YTk9G4J.png is this ok?

[hasty agate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/06K7zqPeFe

[young herald]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a086ba12-2d12-456f-82c0-231dee223a07/ride-the-meat-bicycle-2

[sinful matrix]

change out inspiring for run n gun

change perks to flak/maniac or flak/unarmored

[civic plinth]

Okay thank you

[round jay]

Never seen a use for run n gun tbh

[sinful matrix]

I didn't either until I actually used it

It makes the DAPs so much more comfortable to use

[split halo]

why them?

[sinful matrix]

Raw DPS buff that saves ammo

[split halo]

why wouldnt i want to regen the shield while shooting?

[young herald]

it drammatically increases accuracy with most guns

[sinful matrix]

You already have a talent for that

Also that yeah, RnG buffing accuracy is quite good

ay, still in my clipboard

no need for inspiring when this exists

[civic plinth]

Any other builds

[round jay]

Btw, random question, using a ranged build, but between Infantry Autogun and Braced Autogun, I can't really see much of a difference, so, could use a second opinion, and no, I'm not gonna use the Uzis.

[split halo]

isnt the accuracy bugged out af on the auto pistols and anything that reduces the spread an recoil actually increases it by 500% and makes it impossible to aim?

[sinful matrix]

nope

[oblique mural]

Trying to get the Enhanced Penance. It's taking forever, what's the strat here? Just let the horde wail on me while the stim is active?

[young herald]

far as I'm aware, they're bugged with reload speed, but spread is fine

[placid drum]

Get the stim that gives back 25% toughness get hit once and inject and it will be done in no time

[dense hollow]

just spec into both stim nodes that give 25% each and inject it whenever you fall to half toughness

[pure escarp]

Braced auto is my favorite desperado weapon

[young herald]

easiest way is to go 15 points into the top left tree and pick up the 2 +25% toughness restored nodes. Hold your stim until you go low toughness then pop it

[hardy spruce]

It's just the stimm

[young herald]

it's obnoxious as fuck, but it doesn't take all that long

[novel quest]

500 scum 4 stacks...

[sinful matrix]

that's what I did, got it done at level 24

ez pz lemon squeezy

[vast aspen]

I wish the stim box had a node that gave you toughness or like damage when allies got kills under the effect

[novel quest]

what are yall dumping on dual autopistols

[pure escarp]

mobility

[round jay]

Yeah, but like, what is the actual difference between them, beyond how they look and sound

[young herald]

scum dumps mobility on most things

[oblique mural]

Thanks, also is the Stim Cooldown route bugged? It doesn't seem to do much if anything with a few other nodes

[toxic dagger]

why are hive scum so fucking light?

[pure escarp]

you can aim down sights with infantry autogun, braced auto has a bigger mag and more stagger

[placid drum]

I just got done with all the penances other then 2 of the stim ones and the missions done as scum so those might take awhile

[zenith fern]

LOL

[sinful matrix]

lmfao

[young herald]

it's the lack of nutrition from all the piss water drinking they've had to do

no muscle like a proper ogryn

[round jay]

Appreciate it, any recommendation for the blessings?

Currently got it with deathspitter and fire frenzy

[hot moth]

isn't deathspitter the one that does barely anything

[rose flax]

I just realized something, chem mode on bonesaw won't go through shield for example on bulwark, but the coated weapons talent does, so it isn't just an extra stack but nothing is safe from a crit lol

[pure escarp]

i can’t remember atm as i’m not online, but i think i take deathspitter and something with suppression

[toxic dagger]

btw is the video washed out for you guys or does it show colour properly

[zenith fern]

Remember folks today is the weekend, prepare yourselves for the new players and weekend players to make your games miserable

[fast gust]

Bit washed

[zenith fern]

On preview looks washed but actually watching looks fine

[pure escarp]

i played a match earlier with a level 23 in an auric

[young herald]

the thumbnail started really washed out, but once it started playing it looked mostly fine. Still a little faded colors, but close enough it didn't bother me

[tawdry tusk]

what's the brittleness stats on saw are?

[honest shale]

🎵 Here comes the noobs, do do dodo 🎶

[rose flax]

Already having server issues lol, can barely switch weapons

[toxic dagger]

probably related to me recording in HDR

[young herald]

that's 100% what it is

[hot moth]

this is the one I use; Inspiring Barrage is actually an intense amount of toughness, I like to empty my mag out before poppping despacito for maximum value, the toughness regen you get from it lets you sustain through ranged trades and then it picks your toughness back up to 100% after the Despacito insta-reload

[toxic dagger]

there's a setting in OBS to force it to record in SDR but then it looks really washed out

[sturdy linden]

why is the game leaking so much memory suddenly

[toxic dagger]

I don't get it lol

[toxic dagger]

DUDE

it's AWFUL

[zenith fern]

I did my first auric as scum still under leveled and managed to do better with no deaths and downs

Meanwhile my teammates kept dying and were level higher than me

[young herald]

HDR -> SDR fucks with colors something fierce

[honest shale]

limit your FPS to 30 or 60 guarantee it'll be gone. It's most egregious in the mastery menus.

[rose flax]

whoa, is that gun the highest amount of reserve ammo possible?

[toxic dagger]

oh sorry mkv. let me handbrake

[oblique mural]

The Kalma tree doesn't seem to do anything. Like. Okay so I've maxed out the toughness line then thought, alright maybe some extra Cooldown? But it just increases the cooldown to more than if I just had the toughness tree alone....what gives?

[sturdy linden]

nope, not gone

[zenith fern]

Blud asking to put game frames on 30

[toxic dagger]

kalma is ability cdr

not stimm cdr

[zenith fern]

[unreal stirrup]

lmao darktide on 30 fps

[toxic dagger]

you cannot reduce stimm cooldown with anything except sample collector

[young herald]

kalma tree is "give me cooldown reduction for rampage/desperado/stim crate"

[pure escarp]

i’ve been meaning to get more ram lately because of this but its so expensive now

[round jay]

Guess it wasn't just my imagination

[hot moth]

yes, graia mark is the one where you brace it for extra RPM at hte cost of slower mobility. Most of the time I only use it unbraced tbh, the extra RPM is usually a waste even when engaging horde

[oblique mural]

Oooooh, ok.

[rose flax]

How good is it's horde clear?

[oblique mural]

So the only way to reduce the cooldown of the Stim is less nodes?

[honest shale]

It's seriously linked to unlimited fps but go ahead and keep suffering and laughing at the solution.

[sturdy linden]

ah well, should go to bed anyway

2.20 am

at least I got 1 win in

[hot moth]

usable. Worse than DAP but sufficient for gunner clear, and far more comfortable due to the fact Brauto gets Inspiring Barrage (DAP doesn't)

[split halo]

i dont know what dump stat means if they all get to 80 ?

[hot moth]

DAP is for hitting dank clips of despacito chains but brauto being sustainable through ranged even without despacito up feels way more consistent to me

[sinful matrix]

wat

[drifting heron]

Toughness tree isn't worth anything, all that toughness regen only applies to coherency

[sinful matrix]

Dap gets inspiring barrage

[hot moth]

HUH

does it?

[pure escarp]

i like brauto over dap because of the innate stagger

[sinful matrix]

I just don't think it's good

Desperado already gives you ranged immunity

[sturdy linden]

yeah I mean, why would you use Inspiring Barrage on a gun you're using for despacito

[rose flax]

You'll never get the exact amount of cooldown, since it only starts cool down after 15 seconds(20 if you pick extra 5 seconds) sample collector is the only way to reduce cool down, and it works well

[sinful matrix]

and we have the talent that returns 30% toughness when taking ranged damage

[sturdy linden]

[hot moth]

because despacito isn't always up, even though it has a long duration

[rose flax]

two nodes replenish 25%

[sturdy linden]

then.. melee?

[hot moth]

but I'm shooting EVEN MORE GUNNERS

[drifting heron]

Not worth much in the face of the other buffs
Opportunity cost is the name of the game

[hot moth]

also it lets you be greedy and facetank the odd melee hit at 100% toughness

only for you to instantly get the toughness back

[glacial gyro]

@sinful matrix Good call on the chainaxe, I love this thing

[honest shale]

so much zero to hero in the hands of scum.

[hot moth]

yes, you can get vulture's dodge procs... if your crit RNG cooperates
Yes, you can slide around for melee immunity... and lose a tight shooting angle you might be exploiting to kill a key special

[idle lava]

Im looking at trying out Desperado, Dual SMGS? Or the Dual pistols?

[pure escarp]

I take toughness to 50% instant replenish and attack speed tree until I get move speed bonus for an oh shit button

[hot moth]

I like being able to just say "no this fucking special dies, I will stand here and fucking kill it" and tank through like multiple melee hits in a row purely off of inspiring barrage

[sturdy linden]

SMGs

[pure escarp]

Probably not optimal but its gotten me out of some bad spots

[hasty agate]

DAP

[honest shale]

I personally like the spreading toxin alt fire Needle pistol for desperado.

[hot moth]

I'll need to try DAP with inspiring

[sturdy linden]

I've unspecced Nimble for a bit, ever since I read that post earlier today

[sinful matrix]

It's a comfy weapon

[toxic dagger]

framegen literally struggling to display 60fps while playing on gefore now ultimate, so enterprise hardware with a 4080 equivalent

[hot moth]

despacito mode doesn't extend off of needle pistol kills I thought

[sinful matrix]

Glad you're having fun and that my suggestion helped you get there :)

[hot moth]

or rather not the poison dot kills

[toxic dagger]

it got reallyyyyy bad last night. def some memory leak shit i think

[hot moth]

the needle pistol is just busted, tbh, and there's arguments that hitting it just to instareload the needle pistol is still worth it, because needle pistol

[honest shale]

Put some cleave on it and watch that alt fire shine.

[round jay]

There must be. Game ran butter smooth for me, after update frames drop or even while at 120fps, game looks like it's running at 30fps

[glacial gyro]

Look, the bad guys die. Flashy is for youtubers and twitch streamers to farm clips. I press the button. The heretic dies. That's all I ask for.

[toxic dagger]

yeah I have that second bug sometimes where it feels like the frames are "fake"

varies between updates

[sinful matrix]

I only ever really found Inspiring Barrage worth it on Ogryn using PBB because it let you just like. . . remain a turret after the FNP nerf

[toxic dagger]

some patches it's fucked, some patches it's good

[sinful matrix]

250% or something toughness regen over the course of two achyls stubber magazines

[honest shale]

I keep telling you guys that the memory leak is tied to unlimited FPS and to limit it.

[toxic dagger]

it is limited

I have it set to 120

[hot moth]

I'm capped to 60 fps and I get the "out of memory lol forceclose" window every few games

[sinful matrix]

You shouldn't really be trying to face-tank ranged as Hive Scum like that so I see no reason for IB

[honest shale]

Still too high the engine is written by squirrels.

[sinful matrix]

Better off getting them dragged into melee so they're not shooting in the first place if Desperado is on cooldown

[drifting heron]

Does anyone have the launch option I'm on mobile

[toxic dagger]

I am not accepting anything less, they can simply fix it then

and also

[drifting heron]

There's a launch option that fixes out of ram crashes

[toxic dagger]

it has worked just fine for the past 3 years

[sinful matrix]

I dunno. You're trying it. Lemme know how it feels and I'll give it a whirl

[toxic dagger]

it only recently started being troublesome sometimes

[sinful matrix]

me playing darktide at 45fps because I have an r5 5600x

[hot moth]

I can tell you that brauto with inspiring was maximum comf

[sinful matrix]

my poor CPU

[hot moth]

I'll see how it feels with DAP

[round jay]

They still ought to fix Vermin2, since anniversary update, DX12 has been crashing for a lot of people, and it was just outright bricking my pc

[honest shale]

Maybe it's just win11 AI slop stealing all your data. You just see it as worse call times on your SSD and DT lags on spawning shit. Enjoy your future.

[sinful matrix]

I'll try it

[hasty agate]

I haven’t had the mem leak problem since I started going to change character screen after a few hours. Before, I was getting it at least once a day.

[sinful matrix]

Your opinion has weight

RnG+Pinning on DAP is very comfy though so I might just find that favorable

[novel quest]

alr

[sinful matrix]

Options, Options, Options - Fatshark is good at that

[round jay]

Except in Vermin2 lmao

[sinful matrix]

well

your options there are what class you play

[honest shale]

I mean, chaos wastes?

[grand jewel]

skill issue

[sinful matrix]

even if their skill "trees" are set in stone

[round jay]

I mean more like traits and properties

[sinful matrix]

Like Ranger Bardin is just as good as Outcast Engineer at the end of the day

[glacial gyro]

Alright, what mark am I supposed to use with the iag, if I'm going to use this stupid thing

[spiral horizon]

yeah traits are basically swift slaying or bust lmao

[sinful matrix]

they just get there in two completely different ways

[drifting heron]

Or opportunist for like
Shields i guess

[honest shale]

middle one with the short barrel. it's a flame thrower of bullets.

[lyric galleon]

I hope these weapons will be added for scum 🙏

[glacial gyro]

Iag, not brauto

[spiral horizon]

if you're going for specific stagger bps yea

[glacial gyro]

wait

[spiral horizon]

shield gameplay outside spear and shield is a snoozefest tho

[drifting heron]

Brettshield as utility is fun

[glacial gyro]

Yeah the middle IAG is the long one

[drifting heron]

Because it means i can play brettsword the entire game then when I get hit print all my hp back in two seconds with bash spam

[spiral horizon]

the based IAG

[spiral horizon]

ah I just run cleave or kill thp if I'm running longsword

[glacial gyro]

ugh, I dont like this thing at all, it has ADS

but I want to try it

[drifting heron]

I think stagger is funny

Because if I'm running brettsword its all I'm using

[honest shale]

shit, "middle" is class dependent since they all unlock the marks differently. fml.

[sinful matrix]

sword and shield being my favorite archetype and its ass on Bardin 😔

Oh well, coghammer has my back

[drifting heron]

So i can have a goofy utility slot for THP and charging flamers

[glacial gyro]

Well the short one would be vraks then

[fair oar]

I dont think I've played bardin ever. Sienna 4 life

[unreal stirrup]

cuckhammer

[honest shale]

That's my baby. Right there. That's the cutie slaughterfucker.

[grand jewel]

unchained my beloved

[glacial gyro]

🔨 🔨

[fair oar]

Except her new pet class. That can go away. Say no to pets!! Say no to arbites

[round jay]

Man, hope they swap hyper-critical and sweet spot

I could use that extra talent point elsewhere

[honest shale]

Yeah the whole talent tree is too deep and heavy on the bottom. It's a chore to level a 12$ class. It really needs a rework, and soon.

[fair oar]

Is hypercritical good?

[drifting heron]

Yes

Don't use it with hyper violence though

[fair oar]

What's good about it?

[wispy belfry]

it would be great if it wasn't only on melee attacks, and didn't break nodes

[drifting heron]

Every modern tree except like
Psyker
Is bottom heavy

Maybe ogryn

[unreal stirrup]

bro haven't prog pre rework psyker

[round jay]

Grinding my teeth and holding back jokes

[honest shale]

Yeah you obviously weren't around before the rework. Zealot was the worst offender before.

[rose flax]

I mean most classes are trash at low level, just because they made it easier to get into high diffculties doesn't mean you should, it's not even close to a aproximate estimate

[drifting heron]

I bought this game on launch sit down

[unreal stirrup]

zealot is usable

psyker?

[rose flax]

arbites is probably the only one next to zealot

[honest shale]

It's just the talent density near the keystones. They need to be spread out. Plus half the talents not working.

[glacial gyro]

Wait. So you're telling me the viag is literally just a better g brauto

[unreal stirrup]

what

[placid drum]

After using all the blitz on scum i dont think i can switch off the sillyness that is the boom bringer

[round jay]

I've been all day trying to level up HS, forever stuck at lvl25...

[fair oar]

I'm 21. Did my first auric!!

[placid drum]

I assume you got like the %exp on your curios?

[round jay]

No, it's just that most matches i've been end the same way:

[unreal stirrup]

hardest thing when leveling scum is your teammate

[round jay]

Team wiped because people shoot bursters

[unreal stirrup]

who are probably playing scum

and suck shit

[round jay]

yeah

90% of my deaths were because someone shot bursters i was about to push off

[placid drum]

Yea i seen alota deaths to bursters honestly so whenever i hear them i stop shooting if im doing my ranged build

[novel quest]

okay ngl

[glacial gyro]

ok the viag just has incredible weakspot damage, thats why

[novel quest]

random scum full stacks get

WAY

WAY BETTER

from damnation upwards

all of my scums have been goated

[honest shale]

Most bought arbites and forgot how to dodge. Or fatshark 2004/2014s them and their connection sucks for the rest of the session and dodging no longer works for them. Either way, quickplay scum teams die fast.

[unreal stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446535880230703154/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-12-05_11-16-40_PM.mp4?ex=6934ffc5&is=6933ae45&hm=13fd70a6433f45026fbbbc3df6356d5005c809c01f53cf73405f8196daa2b51e&

[round jay]

Not down here.........

[novel quest]

that's all I ask for tbh

[fast gust]

Bursters have been extremely buggy since the update, I'd suggest shooting them when possible

[low harbor]

lmao

[hot nexus]

Arbites really damaged a lot of peoples game sense

[placid drum]

I agree with this alot of folks i do see dont seem to be dodging alot of the time as a scum and just face tank stuff

[honest shale]

Bursters have a larger AOE now, as well as jumping from farther.

[fast gust]

And been immune to pushes

[unreal stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1445861602514698291/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-12-04_2-37-00_AM.mp4?ex=69352ecc&is=6933dd4c&hm=7068265c8f482a6562362314666a88f0f548f941e6fd4e9faf46dabe603cd9cc&

[fast gust]

And the sound engine not working again

[sinful matrix]

feels like traitor captain shields have a much bigger AOE now too

[unreal stirrup]

not scumming but yeah

[sinful matrix]

I'm getting thrown by them 15 meters away

[fast gust]

And jump angle been iffy for the third time in the games lifespan

[toxic dagger]

incomprehensible that he typed "LOL" there

actual griefer

[fast gust]

And bursters refusing to target the closest player more than not passing by you instead of jumping

[honest shale]

Shit you might be onto something there. I wonder if barrels explosions are bigger and if some scaling factor is off and needs to be adjusted.

[hasty agate]

I saw a voice line today of a hive scum anarchist telling a zealot to get elbow deep in the carnage…

[toxic dagger]

scum weigh nothing, for some reason

[fast gust]

Danger sense barrels have the same circle they ever had

[sinful matrix]

That is NOT a zealot

that is a man roleplaying as a vet

[placid drum]

Maybe the scum are just so high out of their mind on chems they just float away?

[young herald]

bursters are just incredibly fucked this patch. I'm not sure why, but there's all kinds of audio, push, and range issues with bursters rn

[honest shale]

lmao I dressed my psyker like that too

[hot moth]

okay, already not feeling inspiring on DAPs, and I think it's because compared to brauto they have shorter reload cycles

[unreal stirrup]

its ok he still need me to be dead in order to outdamage me

[zenith fern]

So that was you? Dickhead /j

[unreal stirrup]

[round jay]

Thing I miss the most from Vermin2 is the server browser, could just check if there's any game in progress, otherwise just hit quickplay and host a random map

[young herald]

so are there any known issues with this talent? Cuz I took it off my build and surviving shit got infinitely easier all of a sudden

[hot moth]

when you're going through the 86 rounds on the brauto unbraced you'll get ticks from inspiring barrage steadily

[zenith fern]

Never to me?

[toxic dagger]

no known issues

[flint granite]

Works fine for me yeah

[toxic dagger]

the description is misleading though

[hot moth]

on DAPs I get toughness every time I empty my mags out in the blink of an eye but then I have nothing while scrambling to reload

[zenith fern]

It works good for me

[flint granite]

Maybe it's just throwing you off

[toxic dagger]

it actually increases your dodge speed, so you have a smaller dodge window against boolet

but it improves dodge linger

so breaks melee tracking better

[honest shale]

bro, great explanation.

[toxic dagger]

thanks

[coral bronze]

Is this class supposed to be dog shit at melee? Since it can clear hordes with guns

[young herald]

no, it's great at melee

[zenith fern]

No?

That's the problem, you are using ranged only

[toxic dagger]

it has a ranged build and a melee build, but it's never really shit at either. the only thing it's shit at is taking hits on the chin.

[zenith fern]

[versed spruce]

I tried double barrel with desperado and it was just completely pathetic

[young herald]

it's got the ranged build, the melee build, and the "feed the psyker to do infinity+1 damage" build

[versed spruce]

That's so sad

I was excited about triple barrel

[toxic dagger]

what does that last one look like?

[honest shale]

I can concur I tested this too hoping it would get that ramping reload dmg and everything and it was just pathetic.

[coral bronze]

I'm not talking melee damage, it's fine. It's the fragility of the class

[dense hollow]

probably stim box with strength&rending for more dot dmg or just faster cooldown

[versed spruce]

I loaded into a mission, saw a group of 10 maulers run towards us and unloaded the entire ability

0 kills

[toxic dagger]

being fragile doesnt make it bad at melee, but you do need more skill

[coral bronze]

So few toughness regen perks unlike arbites or zealot

[versed spruce]

Left the mission

[toxic dagger]

but some important toughness talents are at the bottom of the tree instead of the top

[placid drum]

Scum can be made to take a hit or two but you should always be focused on dodging out of the way or dodge and swing

[zenith fern]

Being fragile does not make the class awful at melee

[hasty agate]

It is a skill check class, yes

[zenith fern]

You need to use your skills and awareness

[coral bronze]

I mean I guess I'm still classified as newbie, though I do have havoc forged

[zenith fern]

That's the purpose o scum

[honest shale]

braced firing on it is too slow. in the end you want a large magazine that is a swap reload magazine. the more you can churn through with desperado, the more shit dies.

[toxic dagger]

I'm not saying you need more skill than you currently have, it just requires more skill to execute than the other melee builds

since it just straight up lacks DR.

it is very agile though

[dense hollow]

its like old melee psyker

[zenith fern]

Scum has little of DR talents because his main mechanism of defense is his dodges and movement

[honest shale]

I honestly love the slide dodging melee node. I honestly miss it on my psyker.

[young herald]

something vaguely along these lines, probably with a saw and needle gun

[zenith fern]

A highly rewarding character for skilled players

[patent bone]

And depending on whether you play melee or ranged, desperado and rampage is another crutch

[zenith fern]

And not just bonking and be brainless like arbites

[toxic dagger]

it can put out crazy dmg numbers by leveraging talents like hyperviolence and abilities like rampage

[hasty agate]

Great power comes with great responsibility

[clear isle]

Im at lvl 14 and tbh it feels like its missing crits more than anything

[coral bronze]

for such as tall class he sure can't take a hit, meanwhile the 5ft5 zealot is on 5% HP the whole game

[hasty agate]

Or risk

[patent bone]

Too bad we scummers ain't much for responsibility huehuehue

[toxic dagger]

all humans share the same bodyframe

[patent bone]

I just LOVE mowing bitches down

[toxic dagger]

so scum isnt taller than zealot, as far as I know

[zenith fern]

You can achieve quite massive amount of crit as scum

[toxic dagger]

dw it has a lot of crit, you just need to be level 30 for builds to start coming together.

[coral bronze]

and btw is there a setting so I can hold down fire and the stub pistols would fire full auto

spamming left click is breaking my index

[hasty agate]

Nope

[clear isle]

I see, I was thinking like "this is the 5th time I hit this gunner, why isnt he dead?"

[zenith fern]

My shivs double hit build with riposte, crit chance aura and top left stimm can go up to 80% crit chance

It is insane and addicting

[zenith fern]

Only with mods

Full auto on stubs pistols fucks me up tbh, it better for hip fire and tap shots

[novel oracle]

IT NEVER ENDS IT NEVER ENDS IT NEVER ENDS IT NEVER ENDS IT NEVER ENDS IT NEVER ENDS IT NEVER ENDS IT NEVER ENDS IT NEVER ENDS IT NEVER ENDS IT NEVER ENDS IT NEVER ENDS

[coral bronze]

Really? They're rather accurate for dual wield

[sinful matrix]

Can I get a class ban yet so I'm never paired with another hive scum again

[idle lava]

So with alot of the classes best survivability nodes being at the bottom, would it make the class "better" to move one or two of them up?

[sinful matrix]

they're ALL trash 😭

[hasty agate]

Gone. Reduced to atoms

[coral bronze]

bruh the class came out a few days

[sinful matrix]

This goes beyond being bad at a class

[glacial gyro]

Am I crazy or does it seem like the auto pistols don't have crit strings

[sinful matrix]

these people are just bad at the game

Oh well

[devout bison]

What are we thinking about blessings on the two shiv marks?

[novel oracle]

they dont

they have +5% base crit tho iirc

[glacial gyro]

that's kind of fucking huge

[dense hollow]

the poor new players who bought hive scum as their "first class" and have completely no fundamentals to play it

[coral bronze]

Well being the most fragile class doesn't help, they should be starting with zealot

[sinful matrix]

I don't think the new map helps a ton when it has zero cover

so it just further abuses people who shouldn't be playing above malice

[coral bronze]

Looking forward to buffs for the class, it need way more damage resist, some damage isn't avoidable just by spamming dodge

[civic plinth]

Hey guys what’s the best way to farm curios

[sinful matrix]

Because they can't reliably dodge anything

[sinful matrix]

I dunno, I'm doing fine and I'm an Ogryn main

[glacial gyro]

True, but the rest is positioning and smart use of tools

[hot moth]

It has a tanky build

[sinful matrix]

the epitome of overpowered invulnerability

[hot moth]

people just don't want to build it

[sinful matrix]

Going to glass cannon isn't hard

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/manly-handshake-fma-brotherhood-fma-armstrong-armstrong-handshake-gif-16567570

[sinful matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-carl-weathers-gif-5129663

like

this is literally all you need and some game sense about extension

when you can and can't

what if a horde is called here what are my escapes

etc etc etc

[glacial gyro]

these punies got no idea how hard it is out here in the trenches, not knowing which crayons are edible

[placid drum]

Always gotta enjoy ogyrns big lovable fellas

[hasty agate]

Check the store every hour and gamble your melk bucks for mystery curios.

[toxic dagger]

I hope they don't take the glass out tbh

[sinful matrix]

melk bucks is the most reliable because you can farm like 20k a week

between all 6 classes

[toxic dagger]

Maybe add a little more cannon to some aspects and rework the supply/chemdep part of the tree since it doesn't work together at all

[coral bronze]

10% per second is fine but on auric above, if you don't have damage resist you're getting melted no matter how fast your toughness regen is

[glacial gyro]

I agree, if they take the glass out, we're going to lose some cannon in the process, we'll have to

[bronze glade]

perfectly timed voiceline

[toxic dagger]

But it's an advanced class for advanced players and that's fine and I hope it stays that way and remains rewarding to master

[ancient basin]

been trying out a 4/4/1 toughness/attack speed/strength stim to cover after my rampages, works out pretty well at 57 second CD with the reduction talent

[dense hollow]

not true at all, its been more than enough for me on aurics

[sinful matrix]

my stimm lab now to get another penance

[hallow creek]

doubt it, melee psykers have more gas and less cost

[sinful matrix]

basically on CD with my ult

[coral bronze]

The reward is the same or less than other classes right now

[sinful matrix]

yippee rending

[placid drum]

For DR for my scum i normally have hive city brawler and chem fortified paired together it does help a decent bit

[coral bronze]

Vet, psyker or even zealot can do way more damage while also being tanky (Or in psyker case bubble)

[idle lava]

Odds are, Vulture dodge is going to be taken out back and shot, right?

[glacial gyro]

I like the rending nodes on my ranged build, lets me just mow through crushers without having to change what I am doing, and not having to change what I am doing and having it work anyway is the best

[novel oracle]

chem fortified
chem dependancy

[coral bronze]

So if they're gonna keep the glass, amp up the damage

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-head-shake-dog-medicine-dog-meme-puppy-gif-16353058426979963100

[placid drum]

Love me chems

[novel oracle]

the core reward of the keystone sucks poopoo

cooldown reduction when 2/3rds of the abilities cant be regenned half the time and 1 of them doesnt even hinge on cooldown is stinky stinky stinky

[dense hollow]

30% cdr is honestly not really that big the more i play the class

[toxic dagger]

Melee scum maybe needs some more juice but desperado uzi scum outdamages evrything including psyker

[glacial gyro]

Does it affect your stimm

[dense hollow]

no

[glacial gyro]

then thats garbo

[novel oracle]

it doesnt

[dense hollow]

theres a node leading up to it that restore stim cooldown when you get a kill

[novel oracle]

its only abilities

[glacial gyro]

it should affect your cartel special. It would make sense for it to

[dense hollow]

but kills you get during the stimm's effect dont affect the stimm cooldown

[glacial gyro]

You refer to sample collector, yes

[dense hollow]

yeah

[placid drum]

Yea i learned of that honestly just after like hitting level 30 i wont lie

[toxic dagger]

Some gunscum scoreboards from the goat Combine00. He's a very very good player so that'll skew results but he's handily outdamaging everyone in his h40 lobbies, including the Psykers. That particular spec is NOT lacking in damage. And also it becomes immune to bullets with ult and immune to a lot more stuff with vulture's dodge so it's not lacking defensively either, just need to play around your actual toolkit instead of facetanking everything with DR

[coral bronze]

is black hair too normal for hive scum

[hallow creek]

guy starts alter with 2 people on 1 wound and 2 people with half health

wow you guys are so bad
🙃

[random plover]

playing damnation and auric and im still having trouble keeping vultures mark up if im with a solid set of team mates, does this thing have any real use outside of the free damage imunity on ranged crit?

[coral bronze]

It'd be funny if fatshark release formal wear for hive scum, like a nobel or a literal suit

[ancient basin]

vultures mark is kinda mid in my experience

[glacial gyro]

this is a good problem to have, it means your teammates are doing a lot of killing very fast

[random plover]

thats true!

having a cap stop you cant keep active though is a wee bit frustratin though

[toxic dagger]

You can also play desperado with chemdep to just keep stacking the CDR and spend as much time in ult as possible

And it adds crit %

[random plover]

i was thinking of swapping to that ty hank

[glacial gyro]

don't worry, once you reach havocs you'll be so deep in specials and elites you will not have any trouble keeping it up

[random plover]

ill give it a go

[placid drum]

Yea i dont really see myself using vultures mark its sorta just alright/mid compared to the other two keystones we have access to

[vale garden]

Hope we wind up with cosmetics to give us this fit

[glacial gyro]

idk maybe I am weird but I love vulture's mark, I think its great

[devout bison]

Any reason to use MKIII shivs compared to just about anything else that can cleave and still do ok against armor?

[vale garden]

I like running desperado with vultures and just having my stimm be a CDR one that I pop after desperado

[toxic dagger]

I don't really think so, MK1 shivs do everything you need and they're easier

[glacial gyro]

that's pretty much what I do

[toxic dagger]

MK3 shiv has singletarget combos locked behind the push attack I think

So it's theoretically more versatile? Maybe?

[placid drum]

Wait they do? I ain't touched the MK3 shiv yet

[ancient basin]

I will say I have been geting barrel killed more and more now after the patch

[toxic dagger]

I'm not sure lol

[glacial gyro]

You don't even need hair at all, so I'd say its just fine

[placid drum]

Might have to go fiddle with them a bit in the funny mind palace and just see what they can do or combo into

[vale garden]

Im not sure if im imagining it, but i thought the mk3 had more cleave

[toxic dagger]

There are attack combos suggeste in the patch notes

But I'm too lazy to look it up

[rotund agate]

what blessings to put on Dual Stubbies for a non-ranged buiild? I always use Run&Gun, but I am considering runniing either Pinning, Hit&Run or Desperado (blessing) with it?

[ancient basin]

just going around shooting all the barrels premptively now

[glacial gyro]

Come to think of it, you don't even need a scalp

[toxic dagger]

Yeah they're the cleavy mark

[vale garden]

Maybe i just assumed cause of the heavy being a slash

[placid drum]

Thanks il give em a peek

[high gull]

That thing gotta feel like shit if you're somewhere either really cold or really hot

[glacial gyro]

that's the beauty, its so aggravating it enhances your desire to kill something

[placid drum]

Can you use your head to blind people if you polish it enough?

[vale garden]

Ive used the mk3 a lot and its great

[hot moth]

@sinful matrix after playing with Inspiring barrage DAP I have to agree it's not a great fit

Because you're constantly reloading you get caught out in bursts of no toughness when you take the odd shotgun blast cross-room

You also don't have as much base damage per bullet because you kind of neeeeed RnG to control your spread (unlike brauto which can get a respectable cone of fire without it and thus take a damage blessing) and it has less ammo supply, meaning you run into damage issues even operating under the pickpocket threshold

definitely better to go pinning fire + RNG on DAP

[lusty sapphire]

Whats up scummies is this bugged or need to be done a specific way?

[glacial gyro]

I can use to blind people by headbutting them in the face, is that close enough?

[high gull]

Works as intended

You just need to maintain full stacks

[placid drum]

Yup that gets the job done

[clear isle]

im more confused as to how he got scoreboard to work... that mod is so outdated it crashes the game

[high gull]

So that means constantly watching the bottom left of your buffs

And making sure it doesn't go below max stacks

[clear isle]

I had it last update but it s just too far gone in this one

[glacial gyro]

I recommend getting a stim with a single node so the CD is like 15 seconds, and then just spamming the shit out of it

[high gull]

The upside is, it's cumulative so it's not something you need to do in one match

[harsh reef]

That one kinda bugged, need to drop one stack or something you can search it here

[high gull]

It's not bugged tho

It works fine

[harsh reef]

Really?

[high gull]

It doesn't work with stimm crate no

But if you just slam the stimm by itself it gives stacks of chem dependancy

Source: I learned the hard way

[rose flax]

Dang it's apparently possible to both use the thing to continue progress(press letters at the right time, forgot name) at the same time, was confused why my ui was stuttering until I saw a teamate holding the device as well lol

[glacial gyro]

is precision violence/hyper critical still bugged

[harsh reef]

Yes

[calm aurora]

There's temp fixes on the modders discord

[vale garden]

That or running a crit build with the chem on crit and stim CDR talents plus either the extra crit strength stim or attack speed

[high gull]

Or just running a toxin build with sample collector

[vale garden]

Just dont take the duration increasing one

[glacial gyro]

yeah saw with stim cooldown is just solid in general

toxin builds are deceptively strong

[vale garden]

Cause stim cooldown doesnt start until it wears off

[glacial gyro]

and the needle pistol is just a permanent sidearm on all my melee builds

[vale garden]

Yeah slashy shivs and the needler go hard

[placid drum]

Shivs with coated weapons feels good for just a bit more dmg here and there if you got high crit

[calm aurora]

Simp collector

[glacial gyro]

I assume pinning fire and blaze away?

[split halo]

any reason to swap to the pistols i got from a mission drop ?

[novel oracle]

ive convinced combine on the wonders of speedload

its speedload blaze away

[glacial gyro]

yeah that's what I run

I was worried speedload was a crutch but it really just seems like the way to go

[last kelp]

how is more reload a crutch more reload means more time to shoot bullets

[young herald]

isn't speedload busted on those?

as in not working

[abstract lichen]

wow i got killed by burster stepping into chem toxin

[placid drum]

Tragic

[hot moth]

ironic

[last kelp]

until you can reach a point of negative reload and you begin to generate more bullets in your clip than you are physically capable of firing you can NEVER have enough reload speed

[split halo]

what do i put on these?

[winged bay]

some people think it's not working because reload speed isn't calculated the way they think it is

[sturdy linden]

sure would be nice if Fatshark unfucked whatever it is about enemy targeting they fucked this patch

especially bursters, dogs, and muties

[last kelp]

I thought people were only saying that dual stubs werent getting affected by reload speed?

[glacial gyro]

Yeah I'm not saying it is, I'm saying I was worried it might be, as in 'lower reload to compensate for bad positioning' but that doesn't seem to be the case, its 'lower reload because more boolet is gooder than stronger boolet'

[last kelp]

"Itz a simpul kase ov more dakka ya git"

[glacial gyro]

"I know dat ya grot, but BIGGER AN LOUDER dakka is also MORE"

[random shuttle]

DAP is so last hour. IAG Vraks is the new hotness.

[cobalt valley]

Does Quick and Deadly (+ Closed Ranged Damage on Dodge) affect both ranged and melee damage?

[winged bay]

yes

[hallow osprey]

What a damn minute
Why does Rampage (or whatever the Scum melee ability is) have a downside when shit like Scryer's Gaze (Srcrier's? idk) has none

[sturdy linden]

because it's a crazier ability?

also lre I guess

[rustic lava]

Being able to pull ammo out of your arse as desperado scum comes in serious clutch sometimes

[random shuttle]

Pickpocket makes you unlikely to ever run out of ammo, ye

[glacial gyro]

because its really fucking strong

[hallow osprey]

Isn't the Psyker one technically better? If it was better I think I'd see it be used. Ever. I haven't seen anyone use Rampage.

[glacial gyro]

I use it all the time

[young herald]

because the design of the class is to be one of highs and lows

[sturdy linden]

Despacito is easier, Rampage takes a bit more mechanics

[glacial gyro]

This right here. The entire design philosophy is 'highs and lows'. You activate and lock your shit in during the highs, and wait out the lows.

[sturdy linden]

(because melee)

[flint granite]

Because scum is well designed and psyker isn't

[sturdy linden]

that too I guess lol

[flint granite]

Psyker is idiot proof now

[abstract lichen]

actually no probably its the scum

[random shuttle]

[vernal sluice]

Yeah keep in mind how disgustingly buffed psyked got

[rustic lava]

That skill is nice as well but desperado let's use your ranged weapon even if you don't have ammo in the first place

[hallow osprey]

Sainted?
That's a new one.

[vernal sluice]

(People still complain it sucks)

[vernal sluice]

Mod

[random shuttle]

Its a mod.

[split halo]

i hope this is ok

[glacial gyro]

you did not cuss out s-liar enough

[hallow osprey]

damn.

[frigid basalt]

those are bad

[abstract lichen]

kill them all

[frigid basalt]

wounds is uselss on every character

[calm aurora]

But scryers has peril danger!!! Oh wait.

[frigid basalt]

only one that makes use of them is zealot on specific builds

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[split halo]

but wounds let you get downed more

[frigid basalt]

or djust don't get downed

[split halo]

i lagg a lot get killed by melee guys from 30ft away and become instant casaulty

[vernal sluice]

If you get downed you should expect to die there

[frigid basalt]

more toughness means you can take more hits without eating like 80% of your hp in a single hit

[fast gust]

No.

[candid flare]

Late but actively CCing your teammates is terrible design. Only thing that needs fixed aside form things that aren't working as intended

[fast gust]

Once toughness breaks you tske melee damage

[hallow osprey]

It does end before you'd explode, even with that weird window you get at 100%

[frigid basalt]

I'm not giving an in depth breakdown, i'm just giving a rought reason as to why it's better

also no that's uuuh

[fast gust]

If u wanna eat melee hits take hp

[frigid basalt]

not how toughness works in melee

[random shuttle]

wait

wait wait wait

LMAO

[glacial gyro]

if you wanna eat melee hits play a different class

[split halo]

was hoping regen at 30% per thing would mean 90% regen which would give me some chance to get the shield back if i dodge twice or something

[calm aurora]

I was sarcastic. There's no downside to scryers now.

[clear isle]

guys, for the bone saw, what does green and ourple mean

[random shuttle]

Mostly ranged enemies Maelstrom vs Despacito Scum

[vernal sluice]

You should still avoid melee hits at all costs, hp curios are mostly useful for surviving poxbursters

[hallow creek]

regen doesnt happen when youre combat flagged

[kind mist]

Green is damage toxin, purple is rending toxin.

Green kills everything faster

[sturdy linden]

Tell it to the stealth chaxe Vet who went down 9 times in my auric game earlier

[fast gust]

It has Mr E and tanner misinformation

[frigid basalt]

toughness doesn't stop all melee damage, it only stops a portion based on how much toughness you have

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-fleischer-bulletproof-guns-can't-touch-this-gif-10521937852220060838

[fast gust]

Toughness regen, in this case coherency regen happens aslong as you don't have enemies within your dlots

[split halo]

s there a button i can press to show my packet loss

[frigid basalt]

if you have more toughness then when you're below max toughness you take less damage

[fast gust]

That's...what I said

[split halo]

some games it f11

[clear isle]

so no reason to go ourple?

[split halo]

does this game have that

[hallow creek]

thats what this discord has been peddling to me ssince the beginning

[frigid basalt]

no you said it stops all melee

and then said health was better for melee

[hallow osprey]

I don't really enjoy Scum melee fighting
Shooting is cool with them, but I can't get enjoyment out of melee because they just aren't built for it

[frigid basalt]

1

[random shuttle]

you can purple a boss when entire team is duking on him

[frigid basalt]

2

[clear isle]

true I suppose, thanks

[fast gust]

You still take hp damage aslong as toughness isn't 100%

You take toughness to deal with ranged damage, hp for melee...which is why everyone picks toughness over hp, because melee damage is very avoidable or easy to mit while range is...range

[glacial gyro]

It really depends. If your team has weapons that are, for some reason, really bad into Unyielding, then you can. Otherwise it makes very little impact.

[fast gust]

Where

[sturdy linden]

Very technically. The damage leak through is based on the percentage of your current vs total toughness. A higher toughness pool means that if you eat a hit and your toughness goes below 100%, chances are that it'll be at like 60-70% rather than 40-50%, so the next hit hurts your health less.

[frigid basalt]

I already replied to the message

[fast gust]

Where does in message 1 say you don't take damage

[clear isle]

I see, Im just trying to figure out all the quirks of the unique weapons, so far I think shivs are probably the best

[candid flare]

Really feels like fatty really wants us to hybrid.

[glacial gyro]

toughness also has better interactions with everything that restores % toughness- More toughness, more recovered

[frigid basalt]

I... already replied to it

twice

[glacial gyro]

Purple is for crushers, and sometimes scab ragers

[clear isle]

well yeah, making ppl switch makes it feel cooler and helps keep people happy, thus promoting the dlc and getting them money (they fumbled like usual though lol)

[fast gust]

You didn't you are making my argument up to be right on the internet.

I stated my clear message again to reiterate the point

[frigid basalt]

????

Obviously you know how melee and toughness works

[glacial gyro]

Also as hive scum you have paper skin and porcelain bones no matter how much HP you try to stack, so you're better off taking toughness to absorb a few gunner shots so you can get into cover, and then just not get hit otherwise

[fast gust]

How does that imply you don't take melee damage

[frigid basalt]

but this message clearly makes it sound like you are saying you only take hp when you lose all toughness

[fast gust]

One single 5% hp will prevent been burster 1 shot in havoc

[hallow osprey]

If they want us to hybrid, they are doing a dogshit job
Two keystones only work with melee OR guns
No both weapon types keystones other classes get

[ancient basin]

I unironically took the coherency radius node, just to get more regen

[frigid basalt]

because the message literally says when your toughness breaks (aka losing all toughness) you take melee damage

[fast gust]

How.

[ancient basin]

toughness bellow 100 takes melee damage

so if you are regening above 100 every hit you can soak

[glacial gyro]

Yeally? I feel like hive scum more than anyone else gets the most benefit out of hyper-specializing and becoming really good at one specific task, since they can hit some really insane breakpoints if they tunnel hard

[fast gust]

Oh the idiotic toughness slowdown when it hits 0 no I was referencing what everyone called having sub 100% toughness

I hate evolving terms

[ancient basin]

ah, all good

[glacial gyro]

that node is actually not bad, especially if you run the ammo share aura

[frigid basalt]

mgod
-Once toughness breaks
This part of the sentence states that when the circumstance of when you have reached 0 toughness or commonly referred to as "broken toughness"

-You take melee damage
This part of the sentence states that if the previous statement is true IE "broken toughness" then you will start receiving melee damage and not prior to having "broken toughness"

if you want me to break out the dictionary even more I can

[glacial gyro]

you gotta get to pocket toxin and sample collector somehow, and that's the other route

[fast gust]

Likely from their cult.

You regen coherency toughness aslong as no one is in your slots

[hallow osprey]

I'm having a stroke

[clear isle]

I gotta say though, the fact that you cant pick up a stim is really annoying

like what do you mean I cant just use the med stimm in front of me 😭

[frank sierra]

Is Hive Scum's Stimm Supply's corruption healing limited to the current wound?

[frigid basalt]

again, you and I both clearly know how toughness works

[fast gust]

I didn't refer to the state and I apologize if it came that way. I was refering to not having 100% toughness.

[ancient basin]

rampage, go into exhaustion, pop toughness/atkspd stim for stamina cost reduction, damage resist, and toughness gen, repeat

[young herald]

correct

[ancient basin]

working out pretty well

[hallow osprey]

I wish you just hold the pickup button on healing ones

[wispy belfry]

ye :/

[glacial gyro]

it is

[frigid basalt]

but your original sentence makes it sound like you didn't

[frank sierra]

copy ty

[near vine]

When using the blackout grenades, is my character supposed to non stop throw each one I have? Not individually?

[ancient basin]

should be 1 at a time

[winged bay]

autopistols 3s normal reload, 2.12s with speedloader talent, 1.65s with 5 stacks of speedload+speedloader

[ancient basin]

but you can chain them fast

[fast gust]

Don't run guarantee weapon swap with hive scum overall

[clear isle]

fr its driving me crazy, on the other hand I hate to lose the custom stimm

[fast gust]

It's buggy

[frigid basalt]

yeah that mod is kinda fucked rn

makes you auto use your stim sometimes

[glacial gyro]

You know, with durability not being the vital thing on hive scum it is on others (+16% of fuck-all remains fuck-all) what about one curio with +1 wound as a "fucked situation" insurance?

[near vine]

Bro don't break the news to me that my favorite QOL mod is broken for hivescum...

[novel oracle]

ranged scum needs buffs

[frigid basalt]

still not a good idea

[novel oracle]

if you press your stim button while its on cooldown, every action will be fucked up till your stim is off cooldown

[fast gust]

This assumes teammates can rescue you

[novel oracle]

this is havoc 40 btw

[frigid basalt]

unless you're in like havoc 40, your toughness is the most important line of defence. If you're in havoc 40 it's still probably your most important defense and having less if it is even worse

[glacial gyro]

If they can't, you were going to die anyway

[novel oracle]

of which scum is supposedly not viable for

[frigid basalt]

yes so that extra wound curio wouldn't be doing much

[fast gust]

There's situations were recues are a bad idea

Why not prevent the situation from happening by having more toughness or stam?

[near vine]

I just had a run where that was happening and was wondering if it was something im doing. Damm its one of my favorite mods too

[novel oracle]

i still run it

just gotta keep an eye on the cd

[fast gust]

Who was parroting this again? Steam forums haven't even done auric yet overall

[novel oracle]

tanner

[near vine]

Yep guess that what i'll be doing now

[novel oracle]

cuz crusher ttk is not a one shot

[frigid basalt]

isn't tanner banned from this server?

[glacial gyro]

I suppose it comes down to "would +16% toughness prevent a death more than an extra shot at a revive would"

[clear isle]

is that why my friend couldn't sprint yesterday??

[fast gust]

Oh the guy that quit dt twice now allegedly

That plays modtly duo content

[clear isle]

he said he couldnt sprint till he used the stimm again

[frigid basalt]

I know this is a very "skill issue" explanation and I don't want it to be

but generally that extra toughness will make sure you're alive for longer between each down

because the chip damage you take will be usually lower

and if you're feeling that when you're playing you go down too often

and that the wound curio is genuinely making a big difference

then run the wound curio

but I would suggest that this means your dodging, blocking and other mechanical skills need work

and would suggest slowling dropping from 2 wound curios to 1

and then when you're comfortable with that, run 0 wound curios

[clear isle]

I saw a veteran run all wound curios on malice (so 6 total) and still used all of his wounds lmfao

this was a LEVEL 30

ppl just use wound curios as a crutch, simple as

[young herald]

this is a mod bug, guarantee weapon swap iirc

[frigid basalt]

It overall is a crutch that also hurts their longterm skill in higher levels

[young herald]

it's also bugged when trying to use a scum stimm while it's on cooldown

[sturdy linden]

I have played 3 matches of despacito scum tonight even though I wanted to play crate

[clear isle]

smyker type shit

[sturdy linden]

Team already had crate and rampage players

[mighty belfry]

the amount of hive scum trying to double stack in havoc

😭

[frigid basalt]

oh right, I came here to ask a question

do y'all prefer bleed+mercilesss killer on the knives

[sturdy linden]

Uncanny precog

[frigid basalt]

or precog and uncanny

[clear isle]

just play crate then?? is a game and stuff doesnt have to be 100% optimal

[sturdy linden]

Why bleed when can kill

[glacial gyro]

Listen, I understand what you're saying, but not every situation can be skill isue'd away. Sometimes, you just get fucked and go down to shit beyond your control. I think on any other class, unless you're very specifically running martyr zealot, toughness curios are the way to go; But scum is so fragile that an extra layer of ducttape on your weetabix body won't actually do much to keep you alive. Your defense is 'don't get hit at all', a prospect that sounds really solid on paper but doesn't always pan out to possible. Sometimes, you just get netted into a crusher overhead by a trapper on the other side of the crusher so you couldn't tell where you were suppsoed to dodge to and guessed wrong. It just happens.

[near vine]

So just to make sure, it only causes issues with scum and not the other classes right?

[young herald]

god the fucking prey FOV on this hurts my brain

[sturdy linden]

3-4 stack of scum without a single despacito is a remarkably shit idea

[young herald]

I presume zealot throwing knives would do the same "dump everything" move

there's a patch up on nexus that fixes that part of it, though the stim part is still bugged to shit

[ancient basin]

hope we get double tac axes at some point

[clear isle]

but it would be funny as hell, I know I've played bad shit into bad teams and it was fun

[ancient basin]

play some bardin slayer

[normal raven]

trying to find info, but are both versions of the needle pistol identical?

[glacial gyro]

then I really would just be playing Slayer

[frigid basalt]

I mean yeah, you're right. But also literally no class would survive being netted then overheaded

[sturdy linden]

1 explodey, 1 poison prolif

For alt fire

[young herald]

different special modes. One makes the target explode, the other makes the enemy spread toxin

[sturdy linden]

Barbies would

With true grit

[zenith fern]

It is fixed

[frigid basalt]

max50 hp damage lmao

[clear isle]

ogryn can tank that easy

[glacial gyro]

Yeah its an extreme example, a more realistic one is "a rager crawled up your ass and you didn't spot it".

[frigid basalt]

if a rager crawled up your ass that would be those moments where toughness is saving you

[tight hinge]

dumb question, is this ranged weapon only?

[frigid basalt]

and wound is making you get another up instead of maybe making you not go down in the first place

[novel oracle]

and melee

[ancient basin]

more than once I have been given the run around by a single mob that just happens to walk into my blind spot and clip me

[glacial gyro]

On anyone else, sure, but on scum when that happens, your first indication a rager is hitting you in the ass is your toughness disappearing instantly, and the confirmation is the down about a fifth of a second later.

[novel oracle]

ranged as in close ranged (12.5m) damage

[shut coral]

hewwo, can someone suggest me an actual build for havoc 40? like i feel sucm dodge is way off and its squishi

[zenith fern]

Huh melee too? Another misstype from FS?

[wise sorrel]

finesse is attack speed, yet?

[unreal stirrup]

bruh

[rotund atlas]

how does one not notice that

[hallow creek]

bruh, FS wording i could have taken this the whole time

[tight hinge]

fs giving me doubts with "range" and "ranged"

[zenith fern]

And increase damage on weakspot hits

[young herald]

No, enemies in melee are within 12.5m and therefore are close ranged

[glacial gyro]

Remember that the toughness number is less important than the toughness damage reduction, which scum gets a LOT less of

[mighty belfry]

someone just got mad at me because i didn't accept their hive scum into a havoc

[random shuttle]

lol, lmao

[flat mist]

Only on weapon stats, not bonuses from blessings talents or stims

[mighty belfry]

like homie this is not a class that's easy to have two of in one party with randoms

[zenith fern]

Brother I always thought closes ranged was applied to ranged weapons only, after this many hours lmao

[random shuttle]

I just soloed Auric Maelstrom because Despacito vs Mostly Ranged Modifier is broken

Hive Scum is wea-- shut yo mouf

[frigid basalt]

that's working on the assumption you have max toughness right? so if you have 2 toughness curios your toughness will probably be in the 150+ range
If you have 2 wounds and a stam you have flat 100

[wise sorrel]

yes i am looking at the "decaptitator" and wanted to know what it would give me. does one-shot of enemy give more attack speed or just critical chance?

[frigid basalt]

this would mean after the first hit, you would be taking nearly full damag

[young herald]

Finesse has nothing to do with attack speed. It is basically crit and weakspot damage. Exactly how it works is cryptic bullshit nobody really understands, but more finesse = more headshot and crit damage

[glacial gyro]

Oh jesus god no I would never advocate for more than one non-toughness curio, just the one as insurance

[frigid basalt]

if you have 2 toughness and are at that 150 you would probably still only take like half instead of nearly full

[clear isle]

I get what you mean since I have these conversations the other way around in other games (like taking iron will + field medic in DRG), but I gotta say darktide is a lot more lenient outside of havoc, and truly is just dependant on skill level. If a wound is making that much of a difference then it means you're dying often and will probably lose that extra wound in the next 30 seconds if you weren't close to a medicae (since we can't carry med stimms).

I had that experience in both VT and DT, if you died once in a bad situation its really likely to die again soon. If it isn't skill dependent then just chalk it up to a playstyle choice, I had ppl in DRG that couldn't stand anyone running IW to save themselves, but I still do even at 1200 hours in that game since shit happens.

[shut coral]

does that build work for havoc as well? o.O

[frigid basalt]

since scum has like a flat 100 toughness, just think of it as literally

[random shuttle]

Oh yes

very much yes 😄

Here's proof

[frigid basalt]

if you take 80 on the first hit the next hit you're taking 80% of the full damage

[random shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CoXhh_k6is

[hot moth]

I always go in with a +1 wound curio because bursters exist

[flat mist]

Neither. It gives you crit damage and weakspot damage. It's a shit blessing though

[frigid basalt]

so if you increase that toughness to 150 with more toughness curios

[random shuttle]

As for Finesse damage, there's a simple equation showing how it impacts Weakspot and Crit:

[frigid basalt]

then you take the same scenario and take 80 damage on the first hit the next hit nstead will deal 53%

[unreal stirrup]

math

[frigid basalt]

so basically going from taking 80% to 53% when you run two toughness and no wounds

[ancient basin]

im here to snort a line of coke and then mash M1 harder than god, wtf is this math shit

[frigid basalt]

or if you really really want just run 2 toughness and a wound instead of 2 toughness and a stam

[zenith fern]

That mister E title on the thumbnail is diabolical LNAO

[glacial gyro]

Well yeah. My statement was never 'all wound curios', martys only get away with that because of the colossal toughness dr they get from Martyrdom that closes that gap. If you have 2 16s with 5 more on each, that's +42%. You can take 5 more on the third, for 47%. That should get you to 150.

[young herald]

This isn't even a joke, tbh. That equation is some random thing, but exactly how finesse values are applied to damage is convoluted as fuck and it gives most people trying to understand it an aneurysm