hivescum-class

[amber sundial]

be like me and dont rebind jump off dodge so you play perfectly until you accidentally jump and suddenly you are dying

[hybrid path]

I'm confused is cartel special our stimms?\

[amber sundial]

yes

[hybrid path]

Okay thank you

[candid flint]

ty @trim wind i am swapping to that

[steep gyro]

this should be second nature to you, mr warframe player

[trim wind]

i look forward to your pro moves the next time we play

[frigid adder]

which shiv is better for light attack spam?

ooops didn't mean to reply to something

[steep gyro]

idk i just use the twisty one

[amber sundial]

hell with some of the geometry bugs flinging people into the air when they dodge i dont even need to jump

[broken garnet]

No I use my ring finger for shift because Warframe isn't intensive enough to require access to all movement keys within milliseconds

[steep gyro]

twisty one is easy. light spam for horde, heavy for single target

[marble flower]

How? How are you gonna avoid taking damage from ranged while you're occupied with a horde in your face that is forcing you to melee them?

[frigid adder]

whats the other one good for then?

[amber sundial]

horde clear without carpal tunnel syndrome

[bronze glade]

laughs in skitarius

[amber sundial]

then you spam push attack for armor

[steep gyro]

idk its just me then

[bronze glade]

melee them in cover, use desperado / vultures, blinder and run, etc. the tools are there.

[steep gyro]

5 trillion ctrl+spacebar mashes

and roll

[broken garnet]

wow, this is scary close

[steep gyro]

need the speed

[bronze glade]

we have mk6 knife at home moment

[brittle ferry]

How can I not escape warframe? Even here.

[hot moth]

It's not 100%, and your team will often fuck it up, but a lot of bad rranged rooms can be mitigated with proper macro positioning

[candid flint]

dodging, positioning. get behind cover, back track. you can force gunners to reposistion. they lose line of sight for awhile, they will advance, and while they're advancing they are alot more vulerable. less accurate-- not entrenched.

you have to be clever

[hot moth]

that pub teams won't do, they'll run out into the middle of a million unners, die, then complain there's no counteplay

[brittle ferry]

Just dodge their bullets and force their melee

[last cloud]

is the bonesaw the only weapon to coat something in poison?

[broken garnet]

i want to see a really solid movement survivability guide for darktide. i havent seen a thorough one for beyond beginners

[wise sorrel]

how much is "num_undefined"?

[hot moth]

SOMETIMES you hhave to drop into thhe meatggrinder, though, and that does suck

[steep gyro]

20

generates 1 nade

[brittle ferry]

If only I weren't so awful at explaining things.

[amber sundial]

i think an ogryn wrote that description and just couldnt count that high

[forest escarp]

whoever decided to make the 'reload all active mods' default keybind for the console thing the same as 'reload weapon while sliding' is extremely funny
what a jonker

[hot moth]

but backtracking when you have the option insteadd of being ADHD and always having to "be doin something" s something not nearly enough teams do

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-omg-hi-polarbear-cute-gif-6077067

[young herald]

this is maximum borderlands energy, and I fuck with it something fierce

[main wagon]

Those are the best pants

[fallen arrow]

I personally have the worst situational awareness, where I get shot up at close ranges by a gunner and Im not able to react in any way (dodging or sliding or just killing them). Its a pretty embarrassing way to go

[main wagon]

I will hear no Treadie slander even though Im Cartel

[steep gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/arthas-lich-king-night-club-dance-party-gif-5954399672361573213

[low harbor]

try boltpistol with gloryhunter, it helps a lot with gunner situation for melee builds
I run this for melee spec https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515648206512168/1446252573769072681/IMG_4206.png?ex=6934a0ab&is=69334f2b&hm=882ba9d17ce83591d1cc41f78a77cc7545a1e82d6ffd37b8ac431f1a55eb2ec8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=191&height=350

[candid flint]

if you find yourself constantly getting gunned down by ranged, while fighting melee enemies, you are doing something wrong. get a better position. dodge more often. dont get surrounded. leave yourself an out. kite the melee guys, and kill the ranged. and again like i said, make the ranged enemies relocate by losing their line of sight

[steep gyro]

this really is the kriegmaxxing update

[bronze glade]

people losing their minds over the fact that this class is actually balanced lol

[steep gyro]

and not the shitty trench loser variety

[young herald]

tread lightlies are the best gang, except for one aspect. They're not led by Lord Magleviathan

[broken garnet]

can you still dodge slide next to a gunner past your dodge limit and be okay

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/desperado-music-play-guitar-gif-4410909

[novel oracle]

Idk im literally the dedicated anti ranged/specials as hive scum in havoc 40 and have the mobility and mitigation to do so swiftly in any situation
I really do think this is just a get good situation, he has way less instant safety nets as other classes by design, and so it'll take a lot longer to get the hang of for people who relied on those safety nets, lord knows I was getting my ass beat constantly during the testing of the class

[young herald]

literally renamed my scum Krieg earlier today cuz of it, yes

[low harbor]

I'm rly considering getting that skull mask ngl it's just so borderlands

[main wagon]

Remember Darktide players, you can retreat through most sections of the map you just cleared

[bronze glade]

there's a soft cap to dodges, it's not a hard cap

[candid flint]

and yeah that. goes without saying i hope

[main wagon]

I find so many scum keep dashing further into the map

And triggering more enemies

[steep gyro]

havoc bulwark spam if you dare move backwards:

[bronze glade]

(just don't do this in h40 too much)

[hot moth]

(except if you just dropped, there's a few sections of map that are really spooky because of this)

[broken garnet]

so you are still able to slide and be invulnerable to gunners when youre up close?

[main wagon]

It's like bro all that back there is clear we dont have to hold in the broom closet

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/desperado-guitar-desperado-desperado-movie-antonio-banderas-guitar-case-guns-gif-2226555182797538765

[novel oracle]

No, this corner is safer

[young herald]

you can't dodge slide when you're out of effective dodge charges though

[bronze glade]

can't you? 🤔

[main wagon]

With Vulture's absolutely

[candid flint]

i actually didnt get my ass beat, and ahve yet to actually die, get downed or even lose hp

[bronze glade]

pretty sure running out of effective dodges just reduces your dodge range

[main wagon]

Im gonna just hold M1 on this crusher's face while my teammates become a red splat

[novel oracle]

You havent played the class?

[rare idol]

Always bet on monorail

[candid flint]

you took damage?? you are not good enough to be a fellow tester. fatshark, untest this man

[steep gyro]

actually, i have a random cap on dodges because my spacebar is broken and randomly gets stuck sometimes

[young herald]

oh no you can, I was wrong, it's just super slow and doesn't last very long as a result

[candid flint]

i am hive scum

[main wagon]

[novel oracle]

Artificial difficulty
Fix this shit fatshark

[candid flint]

i am just that good, cole

[steep gyro]

My D key is also broken and does the same thing

[amber sundial]

fatshark buy this man a new keyboard

[main wagon]

Something of a scholar, even

[steep gyro]

Had this keyboard for like 6 years

[hot moth]

tbh most of the pub/solo queue playerbase doesn't underrstand pacing and the fact that enemies can be on the map unaggroed

[steep gyro]

🚬

[terse creek]

Skill issue at its finest

[rare idol]

👆 things people realize aren’t true moments after they get out of an elevator

[hot moth]

nothin is more frrustrating than getting a boss spawn and then watching pubs chage forward into a very thic crushe patrol

[steep gyro]

me when i want to move left but god decided i should stand still instead & get pancaked by a crusher

[main wagon]

Cat I'm going to buy you a new keyboard for Christmas wtf

[hot moth]

then being surprised that they get owned by a boss

[rare idol]

Boy do I love the heretic elevator exit welcoming party on every map

Usually with a lovely little twins spawn and a bon sprinkled on top

[steep gyro]

sure but it has to be a 100% because i need the numpad for stupid keybinds

[amber sundial]

i love the one elevator to the bridge of fools that lets them do a firing squad on you before you can even exit

[rare idol]

Well at least the name is correct 😂

[steep gyro]

I'll snailmail u some cookies in return

I made a metric shitload yesterday

[somber blade]

the immortal snail ?

[amber sundial]

do you think hes always on the job to kill someone?

[steep gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/snail-gif-23561884

[hot moth]

ohh shit

is it a ddarrktide free weekend

[amber sundial]

hes gotta do side work to pay rent

[steep gyro]

Who want some

[amber sundial]

ME

and #ogryn-class

[steep gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/five-hundred-cigarettes-bortus-orville-cigarettes-500-gif-7580742793072271551

[amber sundial]

give them some too

[steep gyro]

No

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/fuckfuck-fuck-fuckery-gif-12977628

[steep gyro]

They can have cookies when their class isn't boring

[bronze glade]

you've gotta be kidding me

[amber sundial]

[bronze glade]

there's a free weekend?

[versed spruce]

Reminds me of what I get from a panadería near me

[bronze glade]

pubbies are bad enough as it is already

[obsidian crown]

Week I think. Week.

[versed spruce]

That yellow bread is oughmf...

[steep gyro]

its ok fatshark doesn't know how to do marketing whatsoever so

[amber sundial]

til the 8th :)

[steep gyro]

there will be at most like

3 new players

not counting the unending hordes of fent fiends we have rn

[somber blade]

yes

[vast ferry]

this true?

[steep gyro]

no

mister e sucks at the game anyways disregard him

[somber blade]

its the curse of the immortal snail to always kill

[steep gyro]

[amber sundial]

its Mr E dont listen to anything he says

[somber blade]

mr e is a big troll

[frigid adder]

hes a negative nancy

[rapid mango]

walking skissue

[steep gyro]

he has skull issues

not skill issues

have him drawn & quartered immediately

[obsidian crown]

I tried melee rampage earlier, it’s brain dead easy

[amber sundial]

yea

[rare idol]

I am gonna take my psyker into the noob difficulties and show people the ropes

Possibly by barreling them into the abyss

[near vapor]

Mister E unfortunately fell into the trappings of making content out of a niche thing and milking it so much...

[rapid mango]

he tried to say a gun was better than the other and only tested one, and didnt even aim properly

[near vapor]

he became a sloptuber...

[rapid mango]

pure skissues on that thing

[amber sundial]

by showing them the ropes do you mean suicide bombing several times

with crystalline will

[steep gyro]

the autopistols are just nasty strong tho ngl

[versed spruce]

Pretty decent numbers actually

[rare idol]

Oh baby that could be fun if there were any enemies to do that with in uprising

[versed spruce]

How many of them will stick I wonder

[steep gyro]

but you dont need a 10-15 minute shitty youtube video to tell you that

[rapid mango]

i think it was vigiautos

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-kenzo-tenma-peak-crying-gif-9247660635087812047

[rapid mango]

or infautos, one of the auto

[near vapor]

the comeback is real

[rapid mango]

i dont watch him so i dont know specifics, i only know someone came ranting about it

[steep gyro]

infantry probably

[obsidian crown]

Speaking of rants

[steep gyro]

vigilant is the semi & burst auto ones

[obsidian crown]

Where did that guy go

[steep gyro]

which one

theres a lot of those here

[obsidian crown]

Came in here raging with massive skill issue and peaced out

[steep gyro]

yeah which one

[main wagon]

I want to play other classes for melkcoin but fuck I dont wanna stop playing scum

[steep gyro]

theres a lot of those here

[obsidian crown]

Sicarius or some shit

[buoyant edge]

thoughts on my Scum?

[main wagon]

Homie wrote a paragraph to say "I have bad fundamentals and positioning"

[novel oracle]

4-12 toughness per swing with that much attack speed and how much crit you easily have either base with their 10% or with their 20% on dodge makes restoring it super fast
The thing people struggle with is that you lose it quickly with mistakes

[main wagon]

I wish the deluxe coat actaully went with more shit tbh

But looks great

It very much just dominates the outfit kinda like the arbites brade runner jacket

[obsidian crown]

Yeah kind of. I built the class to have near perma rampage too so the DR and dmg spike is so good

[buoyant edge]

eh it sure is kind of restrictive

[rapid mango]

probably off somewhere else ranting about how we're toxic

[steep gyro]

@marble flower hey this guy is wondering how you're doing after your skill issue induced maggot rant

[buoyant edge]

drama?

[steep gyro]

dont know dont care really

[ripe seal]

Yeah you don’t get the same amount of raw toughness resistance that Zealot, Arbite and even Veteran

[steep gyro]

just thought itd be funny to do the ping

[bronze glade]

man can we leave the poor guy alone?

[steep gyro]

[bronze glade]

i think we pretty much all disagree him, but no need to lynch him over this

[obsidian crown]

He’s probably in Arbites chat at this point where he belongs

[ripe seal]

I think it looks nice and more that the other stuff all fit each other’s theme too much

[steep gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473062374400589828/1389969675714166945/DidYouKnow.gif

[ripe seal]

Same with the fancy clothes in the shop

[rapid mango]

i just love that was sent right after i implied we weren't toxic. the timing.

[steep gyro]

ur welcome pookie

xo

[obsidian crown]

Ironic thing is he was toxic himself to start this off

[main wagon]

"I am incapable of consulting others for advice and the game is broken bc I cant zerg my way through higher difficulties"

[bronze glade]

yeah thats true

[buoyant edge]

what happened exactly?

[ripe seal]

Negativity begins negativity

[buoyant edge]

whats the rant?

[steep gyro]

i didnt even read any of it and there was a good chance i would've pinged the wrong person because there's 3 people with sicarius in their name

[ripe seal]

Just guy complaining the class is bad because they’re flimsy

[kind mist]

Going chem depenency you get a fairly constant 40% damage reducation

[main wagon]

tldr Homie came in saying "scum is too fragile at high diff" and when folks told him it was a personal issue, he wrote a paragraph explaining that he was bad

[loud surge]

if i ran no stimms and ran sample collector is it just gonna do nothing

[ripe seal]

I’m somehow doing better on damnation than heresy

[bronze glade]

cuz heresy teams

are something else

[main wagon]

Your teammates are doing better on damnation than heresy

[sinful matrix]

Woah

I haven't seen Tyr in ages

[main wagon]

Lots of returning folks for new class

It's dope to see

[kind mist]

I leave the testing cave to talk in public every major patch.

[young herald]

no, sample collector does nothing if you don't have a stim

[ripe seal]

I think I was just in the small part where my power increase through talents and weapons which I still haven’t upgraded much wasn’t quite matching the difficulty, but by the time I started damnation all my stuff catch up

[sinful matrix]

But that said. Hive Scum is definitely extremely hard to play into large groups of ranged enemies if you're not using Desperado. I'll give Sicarius that

[obsidian crown]

That’s the cycle pretty much these days

[sinful matrix]

But the solve is to utilize corners and doorways to break LoS

[buoyant edge]

... damn, dude discovered what a Glass Cannon is

[sinful matrix]

or. . . slide rush into the ranged enemies a group at a time to get as many into melee as possible

[ripe seal]

I like the game a lot and put a lot of time into it but I need something new to keep going unless my friends are on

[novel oracle]

I need to keep this image on hand
This is the scum holy trinity used in every build
If youre not using these 3 nodes and youre struggling
Maybe try taking them

[sinful matrix]

Yeah fair enough. Heya, hope you're doing well o/

[obsidian crown]

Probably play this another couple weeks then back to maining bf6

[steep gyro]

im almost certain like 90% of the people saying "hive scum suck" are below level 20 because they have the exact same problem vet tree does, which is all their make or break talents are at the bottom of the tree

[manic wolf]

Did I miss a skill issue induced rant? Shame

[novel oracle]

Yes

[manic wolf]

RIP

[steep gyro]

the other 10% is just being dogshit at the game

[bronze glade]

yeah it's nice that we have an actual glass cannon in the game now that psyker no longer matches that criteria

[steep gyro]

actually make it 50/50%

[sinful matrix]

uh

[somber blade]

this is a skill issue to miss it

[kind mist]

I reckon those three talents should get a small nerf for how free the defense is.

[sinful matrix]

can I get a zoomed out picture

[proud rapids]

what is the difference between the needle pistol mark?

[rapid mango]

i honestly just slapped "stripped down" on my needler, serves me plenty well when i need to reposition to cover

[sinful matrix]

Please and thankee

[main wagon]

I've seen some people say toughness regen actually isn't bad to toss on at least 2 curios for Scum. Is it trolling or just a noob trap?

[steep gyro]

just above center keystone

yw

[rapid mango]

sprint, slide and fire, sprint more

[sinful matrix]

o7

this ogryn thanks you

[manic wolf]

Lmao, I will try to do better next time

[novel oracle]

Its becoming a more common sentiment since mr e and tanner are basically saying it is truth so people have their opinions now

[somber blade]

good

[broken moss]

whats the consensus on this? im having a hard time really testing the benefit for this build

[ripe seal]

i've put toughness regen on one or two of my curios but I'm not sure if i'm noticing

[sinful matrix]

The only darktide content creator I watch is The Judge zealot VA every now and again

[novel oracle]

Theyre all so easy to grab

[ripe seal]

25% rending seems nice but it has 3 different limitations on it that it seems bad

[bronze glade]

its aight. so-so.

[sinful matrix]

Sorry not sorry Hank and pals

[glad latch]

I mean you don't need all 3 for non-melee focused builds. Burst of energy + one other is usually enough on most builds, although for melee builds all 3 is basically mandatory.

[broken moss]

the 50% isnt that bad honestly

[manic wolf]

Ahh yes, the youboober issue

[obsidian crown]

Sheep mentality. I always like asking people I trust, like you, for builds then tweak to my playstyle after testing. I actually adjusted your build and I like it better. More dps

[sinful matrix]

but I'd rather just play darktide than watch it

[broken moss]

like u keep that at 100% for a VERY long time just swinging at things

[near vapor]

mans using all the FS mandated freetime he gets to send a couple messages in chat

before being pulled back to the basement to exclusively test stuff for FS

[main wagon]

I consult the wisened oracle known as CTRL+F

[sinful matrix]

hi mal

should've recognized your name but alas

[limber cradle]

Have any of yall noticed dogs instant pouncing? Like not going into animation and just pinning people from sprint

[main wagon]

You can watch many people go through fits of hysteria to defend your point without ever lifting a finger

[kind mist]

that is a common dog thing

[novel oracle]

Yes

[manic wolf]

Thought they always did that?

[proud rapids]

what is the difference between the needle pistol marks?

[sinful matrix]

In a straight line usually

[main wagon]

Nah they're supposed to aroo first

[sinful matrix]

but they're doing it around corners and shit now

[main wagon]

Genuinely

[obsidian crown]

Usually they pause then jump

[ripe seal]

I normally like running alot of really support centric skills like covering fire which I never really notice when i'm running other classes but would really appreciate as a hive scum

[kind mist]

2nd mark has reduced bonus stacks on headshot or crit, and the special spreads stacks

[limber cradle]

Yeah, and on elevation differences they wouldn't normally

[near vapor]

long time no see

[main wagon]

I get so many dogs leaping over my head

It's terrifying and hilarious

[vast ferry]

dogs used to always wait, now they only wait ~50% time, other times they insta you

[limber cradle]

Does it feel weirder than normal to you also lately?

[manic wolf]

Ahh, yeah ok thats kinda fucked, but I've been pounced by dogs out of a sprint for years at this point lmao

[sinful matrix]

How's it going bud

[glad latch]

It's kind of mediocre. If it was always active during rampage and maybe gave a small amount of crit chance it'd be a lot better.

[manic wolf]

Though I do miss when dogs would plaster themselves into a wall when you dodged thier bullshit, that was a fun bug

[ripe seal]

https://tenor.com/view/man-paper-crumple-why-did-i-make-this-gif-8098631362432908196

[somber blade]

bone melting juice

[ripe seal]

i don't know why that was the first thing that showed up when i looked up crumpled but it works

[proud rapids]

like the boom spreads or the normal chem spreads?

[main wagon]

Pretty sure the intended behavior is meant to give you the opportunity to whip a zealot tknife or something at their head for an instant 1SHS with most weapons but alas, spaghetti code has pretty much made multiple enemies the ultimate incarnation of every bug they've ever had this update

[obsidian crown]

Only thing I’ll say about most HS is their lack of trigger/aim control I’ve never seen so many barrels set off since this patch

[idle ore]

is needler dump actually dmg

[broken moss]

i see the logic, but in practice im lookin at the meter and it stays above 50% for like, 20+ seconds. maybe even over 30 seconds

[near vapor]

to be frank. Im losing quality sleep just to grind the shit out of scum and Darktide

so uuhh, mentally unwell these past few days xd

[steep gyro]

its ok but

i dont go for it

[manic wolf]

The Burster one is new, not known them to double thier explosion raidus before

[broken moss]

mostly trying to improve boss damage

[main wagon]

Like bursters being silent...not being pushable if you aren't the target...not exploding...oh and jumping from outside of their radius

[ripe seal]

I was wondering since I never ran it before, does throwing the knife on the twin daggers work like the throwing knives on zealot?

[steep gyro]

you dont need boss damage from your melee, just take a stim pistol

stim pistol will literally fucking melt anything its disgusting

[novel oracle]

I have an ever growing list of fucked up specialists, especially bursters, clips since this patch
Mostly 0 sound till theyre right next to you 4/5 times, and bursters are more commonly not blowing up, jumping from an unpushable range, or blowing up early without anything killing it as youre pushing it

[main wagon]

Oh also the audio range bugs

[steep gyro]

OR*

Use devil's claw

[main wagon]

Mutants and Bursters sound like they're in the next room but they're really around the corner immediately

[steep gyro]

spam special attack

win game

[manic wolf]

Lmao, get fucked nerd

[amber sundial]

I feel like some bursters have been jumping in pushable range and then just completely ignoring pushes / game not registering my pushes

[obsidian crown]

I actually couldn’t tell if they were jumping earlier or if shivs had dogshit push range good to know

[novel oracle]

Iirc the parry counts as a heavy cuz it procced zealots heavy toughness talent

So you can use the rampage rending with it

[obsidian crown]

I just shoot them now

Not risking it

[broken moss]

eh. it does alright

[manic wolf]

Trappers too

[main wagon]

Anything honestly

[steep gyro]

about bursters

this is why

[manic wolf]

distant giggle > Netted

Rage inducing

[main wagon]

On a side note shiv push is hilarious

[obsidian crown]

I don’t use it though

[main wagon]

Every time I run trenches I run up to the soldiers on the right and palm the one soldier in the face like 6 times

[steep gyro]

teammates do iunnae

[main wagon]

Like "HA HA I'M AN INKY, GRUNT. YOU CANT DO NUFFIN"

[novel oracle]

I never take this
I could be the only scum on the team and I dont have it and it still does all this
And it doesnt change the audio issues being basically guaranteed now

[harsh reef]

when will FS fix the hyper violence turning off my toughness gain

[amber sundial]

I wish this was in a different place on tree / replaces

[zenith fern]

Never found any use of it and don't understand why is a thing for a class like scum
Be me and take cover

[frigid thorn]

Is crowbar Carapace+Unyielding for the perks?

[novel oracle]

Hyper crit
And they know about it

[steep robin]

What's the purpose of the Rocket Launcher?
What is it good vs?

[steep gyro]

it dont help neither tho

[sturdy linden]

carapace go away

boss get chunked

[manic wolf]

Does this mean Haymaker will proc on-kill effects after a patch too?

[ripe seal]

i guess the lowered threat lets you go for backstabs which the the twin knives and that one skill on the left side benefits from

[steep gyro]

honestly i wish they'd replace untouchable with smth else

[main wagon]

Being fun to use for the first few games and then waiting for Fartshart to buff it

[harsh reef]

i also heard voice of tertium sometimes turns off precision violence

[limber cradle]

Yeah, poxbursters feel bad, dogs feel bad, and I've been hit by nets through walls a lot lately by trapper nets, I'm glad I'm not simply going insane

[steep robin]

how does it do vs zerkers, flak that sort of stuff

[sturdy linden]

works but why

[main wagon]

Good versus bulwark waves and crushers to stop them (only kill a couple tho) but doesnt really have the splash to deal with rager mixed hordes

[alpine orchid]

I may be stupid but what is "Cartel Special"? I feel like I've looked at everything but haven't seen this name

[steep robin]

can't just be a krak grenade on a stick

[obsidian crown]

Once it’s fixed, it’s probably a must have for melee builds I’m guessing

[harsh reef]

can kill crusher, def works on rager

[steep gyro]

these 2 talents need to go die in a hole asap

[ripe seal]

the knives also get backstab rending blessings but I find it hard to use on a non stealthy class like inflintratre or shroud

[sturdy linden]

Krak but big boom

[limber cradle]

When you're stimmed

[bronze glade]

i think that's just the name of the custom stimm

[alpine orchid]

Wtf 😭 Why is that name used like nowhere else

[glad latch]

Why?

[manic wolf]

Untouchable is kinda stupid, but the other one is alright

[bronze glade]

yeah pathing there is kinda dogshit

[steep gyro]

because i dont like them & feel like they're particularly useless

[amber sundial]

Those two talents have zero use for me and I hate them

[somber blade]

as people said and i will confirm this is your custom stim

[alpine orchid]

Thank you

[steep gyro]

ranged dodge one is kind of just crutch thing

[ripe seal]

I do sorta miss original veteran getting threat reduction when standing still

[glad latch]

Fair enough. I don't like the dodge one, seems kind of useless.

[steep gyro]

scum dodge recovery time is so fucking low that giving yourself more effective dodges is basically worthless

[manic wolf]

Eww

[steep gyro]

so thats why i hate the range one

[ripe seal]

extra dodges with guns isn't bad b ut I would just rather something else

[kind mist]

PoE has learned me an irrational hatred of square talent pathing.

[steep gyro]

and untouchable is just poopoo caca

[lapis raft]

that threat reduction is great when you arent playing with 3 other hive scums taking it as well :d

[thorn prawn]

So that is why I keep getting blown up whenever I play my chem build

[steep gyro]

partly

but also currently event spawns in the funny tentacled enemy variants

that explode when you shoot them

[ripe seal]

50% threat reduction for 3 seconds doesn't seem like enough to go for backstabs, even if it refreshes on dodge

[amber sundial]

Honestly the ranged dodge one should just be changed to like ranged dmg reduction after sprinting for a few seconds,

[somber blade]

just run more 4head

[amber sundial]

or just removed

[steep gyro]

id just like both of them removed

[somber blade]

man i love the ranged damage gives you toughness regen talent tho

[steep gyro]

literal filler nodes that add nothing of substance to the class

[thorn prawn]

Appreciate the info

[amber sundial]

Yea it’s nice

[harsh reef]

or give toughness while sprinting

[manic wolf]

just swap it with Calling for a Timeout

[amber sundial]

Yea that’d be nice

[ripe seal]

born in blood as an easy pick i nhte tree is nice

[amber sundial]

Honestly I feel that hive scum not having passive regen in exchange for a bunch of free dmg is fair

[rustic axle]

i finally got access to the needler, whats its dump

[ripe seal]

extra dodge on guns at least fits with everything else even if it ends up not coming into play, reduced threat has some stuff that would like it but it kind of helps it too indirectly compared to stealth on vet and zealot and they don't get enough super good stuff for it either

[amber sundial]

he feels really strong

[amber sundial]

Anything but mobility and ammo

[novel oracle]

No
Its anti synergetic with hyper violence which gives you way more mileage on melee builds, by a LOT

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-time-world-of-goo-gif-27051756

[rustic axle]

soooo damage works as a stat

[ripe seal]

getting up to 50% power on backstab seems really good but I feel like you're never getting that outside of a taunt ogryn

[amber sundial]

Yea

It’s a difference of 2 impact dmg

From 60 to 80

[manic wolf]

They should fix that really

So that they work together

[amber sundial]

They haven’t fixed haymaker for a long time lmao

and it’s the same problem

[manic wolf]

Ye, I know, but let a man hope

[obsidian crown]

So is hyper violence working fine with precision?

[novel oracle]

I think that would be too complicated to work out when they could just do other things tbh

[novel oracle]

Yea

[obsidian crown]

Ah time to adjust then. I left it off figuring it wasn’t working

[novel oracle]

Yeah its only hyper crit cuz its a forced kill effect

[manic wolf]

I dunno, worth raising as an issue tho. Its just taking the damage from Hypercritical into account for Hyperviolence

[lapis raft]

poe taught me when on kill effect do not mentions specific hit keyword then my dot kills will count for it 😢

[glad latch]

It's bugged tho.

If you apply any sort of dot to the enemy you're backstabbing you will have the stacks reset constantly.

[lapis raft]

i wish other games would have as concise tooltip wording as poe

[novel oracle]

How would you tho? When hyper crit activates, it deals the rest of their hp as damage, resulting in an overkill of 0, and now thats your new overkill

[ripe seal]

i didn't know about that, granted you'd just have to not run 3 specific weapons and a talent, its still a potentially powerful talent that doesn't really fit with the rest of the class

[novel oracle]

It will cut your bonus off when it procs

Not because of a bug
But because thats just how they interact in function

[glad latch]

Yeah, it doesn't fit well. Seems more like a stealth zealot or vet skill.

[amber sundial]

I guess the only way they could change it is to force the hit to deal 2x dmg instead of killing the target but then that’d probably affect any other enemy hit in the swing

[obsidian crown]

Would you take hyper violence or sweet spot?

[manic wolf]

Its not a fixed number then that procs on the condition being met? Thats annoying

[ripe seal]

like I can see it fitting thematically with the whole scrappy criminal thing, but the rest of the character is all brash and aggressive

[obsidian crown]

For shivs

[novel oracle]

That'd potentially only make hyper violence more unhinged than it already is tbh

[glad latch]

sweet spot is kind of meh.

[loud surge]

does my perks on my weapons apply to the chem toxin effect?

[amber sundial]

yea especially if the enemy had like 1 hp

But it’s the only way I can think of doing it without it any coding knowledge

[ripe seal]

25% weakspot damage is never bad, and is multipurposed

i haven't messed around enough with the rocket to know if headshots count on it or not

[bronze glade]

eh

[manic wolf]

I will check right now

[bronze glade]

it can be bad on some builds

[glad latch]

Yeah but it doesn't seem like it does enough numbers wise, some weapons it barely does more damage.

[manic wolf]

You infact, cannot weakspot with launcher

[ripe seal]

makes sense but good to know

[novel oracle]

Hyper violence hands down every time
Sweet spot is kinda really mid as a talent considering its competition

[amber sundial]

Doesn’t it also never crit

[obsidian crown]

For shivs? All right

[novel oracle]

Yes, all outgoing damage is affected by the perks of the weapon youre currently holding

[obsidian crown]

It’s hard to find another talent to trade for HV

[novel oracle]

In every build really
Sweet spot has too much competition in any build to justify it

[manic wolf]

Nope, I was wrong, you actually can weakspot with it

[ripe seal]

there are enough high DPS weapons for it to add up like the akimbos, I'm also not sure if its a 25% increaes to the weakspot modifier or on top of the total damage, 25% would be a bigger increase than alot of other weakspot buffs

[manic wolf]

You need to aim a bit above the target tho

[obsidian crown]

I definitely use it on uzis though. It’s very noticeable

[novel oracle]

What's your build look like

[kind mist]

Its 25% of the bonus damage from hitting head

[manic wolf]

Doink!

[obsidian crown]

Sec

[low harbor]

yea it's super good
I think both hypercrit and hyperviolence are gonna be near-mandatory for most melee spec builds

[kind mist]

if your weapon doesn't already have good head bonus it is bad.

[novel oracle]

Flashback to a headshot on a crusher with this couldn't kill them on damn/auric

[vale garden]

Is scoreboard working yet?

[manic wolf]

See thats the funny part... I cant seem to get it to headshot an Ogryn, only used-to-be 'umies

[vale garden]

I wanna start checking my numbers for builds

[ripe seal]

oh, I assume the rocket doesn't count as ranged damage for talents either

[amber sundial]

It does

[kind mist]

rpg vs scrake

[ripe seal]

rad

[vale garden]

Rocket launcher kinda doodoo anyway

[thorn prawn]

It was painful to see only 1 crusher in a crusher pack dying, leaving the rest still with like 2000 hp

[manic wolf]

I tried a number of times too lul

[ripe seal]

rocket does have some pros and cons compared to the ogryn 2 liter soda bottle grenade and kraks, but I would much rather eiher of them instead

[novel oracle]

Now imagine what itd be like before we amped up the damage by nearly 3x

[vale garden]

I dunno, I honestly can't see a single way the launcher is better than kraks?

[manic wolf]

I like the big boomer even if its not amazing it still has uses

[obsidian crown]

This is what I have currently for shivs

[manic wolf]

Annoying Bulwark wall? Not anymore

[thorn prawn]

[low harbor]

the threat reduction one should swap places with sample collector

[ripe seal]

the launcher fires in a straight line and detonates on hit, but veteran gets 5 different skills to buff their nades

[vale garden]

Kraks you get the site line, have bigger aoe, do close to the same damage, can regen, home in and stick

[fair oar]

guys i did it. i have vulture dodge

[ripe seal]

and I guess the launcher would have a bigger AOE for what its worth

[manic wolf]

Also if a teammate has been buttfucked by Ragers, you can nuke the lot an get a res, which is nice

[vale garden]

Launcher definitely has smaller aoe

Krak a bunch of bulwarks crammed together and they all die

Rocket and you'd be lucky to get two

[trim wind]

gotta get temp fix from modding discord

[vale garden]

I think it might be a cleave issue rather than aoe tho

[glad latch]

Yeah launchers explosion "Core" is way smaller then kraks.

[manic wolf]

AoE isnt awful, it could be bigger, sure, but I'd rather it had 4 uses by default and 5 with perk

[zealous ravine]

millions must chem grenade

[vale garden]

Yeah honestly rocket doodoo imo

[zealous ravine]

idk i dont even like looking for nade pickups much

[manic wolf]

Imo Blackouts are better most of the time if you're not running a high stagger melee weapon like Crowbar

[ripe seal]

having it be a rapid fire thing with a deecnt amount of ammo would be nice as a light rocket

[zealous ravine]

at least chem grenade is comically strong to make up for it lmao

[somber blade]

launcher should have ammo regen talent 😭

[ripe seal]

i never really messed with arbite impact nades so I don't know how it compares there either

[zealous ravine]

toxin kills goof up blackout for me

[manic wolf]

"Kill 10 enemies in one shot, the shot is refunded"

[zealous ravine]

imma switch to it if fixed probably though

[versed spruce]

The comeback in question in about ten days, give or take:

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

[candid flint]

launcher should have a 5% chance to blow up and down the user

[manic wolf]

I mean I get it, Chem Nade is very silly, but Blackout just has so much utility thats hard to get on the class

[sinful matrix]

Do it for shadowheart

[vale garden]

My number one complaint about the launcher is still the delay between clicking and firing

[novel oracle]

Sweet spot
Blitz and stim regen
Also threat reduction is ass for melee scum, take the ranged dodge just to avoid it
I personally take either of the other two talents because nimble on shivs is TOO much and can be a detrimental
With your crit chance base damage toxin might not me a bad pick cuz ita multiplicitive with damage and power bonuses
I personally think the rampage shout is mandatory tbh

[zealous ravine]

i barely get any blackouts rn with my chem kills its sad

[amber sundial]

Mortis does have a kill a specialist to refund a shot

but we should get a version of it

[novel oracle]

Elite damage is also an easy drop for something more important, its just a nice to have

[manic wolf]

Ah i see what you mean, yeha it'd be nice if DoT kills counted towards it

[ripe seal]

blackout nades have utility for CC for safety on a class with not many big impact weapons like the stun batons, especially for stunning ragers, chem nades is good passive damage and has an entire part of the tree to synergize with, and the rocket is kinda of just only good for bosses and that's it, it needs something extra

[thorn prawn]

I can never seem to get dogs off teammates with Blackout though

[vale garden]

That's my shivs build atm

[amber sundial]

imagine if rocket had two nodes for different rocket types

[broken garnet]

does blackout make chaos spawn/nurgle drop people

[woeful hill]

no

[manic wolf]

It needs more charges/regen

[ripe seal]

i think only a shout/ogryn ch arge does that

[manic wolf]

If you could get one back every X melee kills like Blackouts or on a 60s timer it would be so good

[sinful matrix]

any explosive grenade

[vale garden]

Yeah that'd be good, except it costing more points would suck

[sinful matrix]

So nuke, and everything not smoke on vet

[zealous ravine]

mayb a rocket every 90s or something could work

[vale garden]

Maybe they could make it so the rocket has toggleable firing modes

[manic wolf]

Yeah, the damage or AoE isnt the really the issue, its availability vs its potential output

[ripe seal]

there's a few ways they can go about it, I can see something like firing a rocket gives you a temporary move speed and maybe dodge buff, since you throw the rpg away after use you get rid of all that weight and the idea of firing off a rocket aggressively and going straight into brawling feels appropriate

[kind mist]

Scum does not need blitz regeneration

[zealous ravine]

500 more classes with blitz regeneration coming up

[vale garden]

Like a big aoe boom rocket and a krak style rocket

[dim moth]

okay but hypothetically

please?

[novel oracle]

If we get subnodes I want one that giga buffs the backblast both in impact damage and burn stacks, and another node that decreases the damage of the rocket by 20%ish but allows it to recharge with 50 close ranged kills (like blinders w toxin, this would have to exclude both toxin and explosions)

[kind mist]

Go to mortis, have free rockets on special kill

[thorn prawn]

Give us rocket jump if we point to the ground

[ripe seal]

regen/damage is the big things you can easily give it but some sorta fun utility I think is a nice option

[hybrid path]

So does cartel special also activate with the stimm supply?

[broken moss]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0865947-b341-49ed-a20e-451e9b3ae09b/adssadasd

[vale garden]

I really want to do mortis trials but OCE curse once again (plus the event)

[novel oracle]

Yes
The cartel special is your stim
If it consumes it then its activating it

[amber sundial]

honestly reduced dmg for recharge is a neat idea

[hybrid path]

Cool

[broken moss]

trying to figure out where to put the last point here

[manic wolf]

Tree would need some trimming to fit Blitz subnodes in without strangling builds

[novel oracle]

Dont ask me where the idea came from

[manic wolf]

Like some of the top and middle section nodes would need to be condensed

[broken moss]

my survivability feels fine in auric. i just feel like i need more damage

[vale garden]

Yeah I think buff it and add toggleable rockets

[obsidian crown]

Detrimental how? Just curious

[broken garnet]

which shivs are better

[versed spruce]

Balance the grenade resource system? Nah, just make fifty ways to circumvent it and call it a day

[amber sundial]

Tf2 spare compartment on legion

[sinful matrix]

Judge me. I ain't afraid(I'm also leveling and have put zero real thought into my choices)

[amber sundial]

I’m guessing

[ripe seal]

being able to specialize the rocket towards either AOE horde clear or fuck you amounts of single target damage is nice but I also don't want to dedicate even more points to making it better

[manic wolf]

Only need the one subnode on Desperado, can get CDR out of stim an save a point

[novel oracle]

-50% threat reduction means enemies will just fuckin
Leave
While youre fighting them
They can just phase through you which is deadly
Or you could be swinging at them to get toughness back while being shot and they just dip so now youre getting shot with no toughness gen

[sinful matrix]

I'm using this stimm tree

[obsidian crown]

I meant for nimble

[amber sundial]

I feel like it should be fuck you levels of single target by default then only one node for AoE

[manic wolf]

I mean, fair enough, but thats like the worst tree. The DR is nice I guess, but the others have so much more going for them

[ripe seal]

though that point it mostly just starts to matter more against bosses

[amber sundial]

Ah yes Enhanced Penance Grind™

[zealous ravine]

using chaxe on this class is like playing hard mode lmao

[sinful matrix]

I just like the panic toughness

everything else is whatever

[novel oracle]

Ive had the dodge distance hit something and put me in the air for a fraction of a second, removing the dodge state and getting me killed cuz of it either by ranged or an overhead

[bronze glade]

picked literally the worst one out of 4

[sinful matrix]

Really should read like +75% toughness regen or more for each of the nodes though, for that to be actually worthwhile

[obsidian crown]

Interesting. I’ll probably go 10 stam on dodge to counter rampage exhaustion maybe? Does that work

[novel oracle]

But this is on a long cooldown and youre also defenseless during the stim animation

[manic wolf]

You'll get that from middle tree without you having to use an item or waste your stim tree so thats probbaly better to grab

[sinful matrix]

and even then its iffy cause toughness regen is shutoff when enemies are next to you

[ripe seal]

a gun build gets alot of toughness through gun kills and potentially blessings, melee gets alot of toughness through hitting and killing stuff, and a chem build gets alot of toughness from chem kills and also depandancy if you get hte node, so extra toughness on stim isn't needed outside of giving it to teammates

[sinful matrix]

thank god hive scum dodges like 15 meters per dodge

[manic wolf]

@sinful matrix Grab this as soon as you can

[sinful matrix]

so I can choose to have enemies next to me or not before stimming

[sinful matrix]

I mean that's fair. I just like it for now, along with penance grinding

My ogryn needs his helmet

[fair oar]

are the dual stubs even good

[sinful matrix]

DAPs?

They're fuckin sick

[ripe seal]

its kinda pointless but I do feel like trying a desperado build with inspiring barrage, I mostly never run it because it feels like you have to waste too much ammo

they're so damn good

[broken garnet]

Dual Autopistol is not Dual Stub

[sinful matrix]

Oh, the pistols then?

[near vapor]

carpal tunnel/10

[sinful matrix]

They're also sick

[thorn prawn]

Big dakka. Small dakka. Still dakka

[ripe seal]

the pistols are stub guns

[fair oar]

should i buy this? or is mobility the dump stat

[bronze glade]

collat is dump

[novel oracle]

Yes it does
The melee slide dodging is also really strong cuz you can slide to dodge melee and ranged simultaneously
This is especially strong when carrying a capsule or something (btw desperado speed is goated for this), or using stripped down on the needle pistol and spam sliding, the stamina profile still gives you a net positive when doing so

[sinful matrix]

Mobility is definitely the dump stat

[bronze glade]

that's a perfect roll

[vale garden]

Btw did you have any thoughts on the build i linked Cole? Using the slashing shivs atm

[bronze glade]

wrong

[broken garnet]

collat is dump? what ??

[ripe seal]

collateral should be stagger but you should be able to output enough spam to make up for it and also suppression, especially with powderburn

[bronze glade]

think about it. what do you need collat for on the pistol

[vale garden]

Utilising the chem crit for toughness

And stim cdr for penances

[broken garnet]

No i mean i got lied to earlier big time

[novel oracle]

Dont think I saw em
Im at work so im missing some things

[obsidian crown]

This would be for rampage build but yeah, if that counters the stamina 0 on exhaustion, that’s good.

Thanks

[ripe seal]

6 pistol shots to the chest should be more than enough to stagger something, mobility would be the second c hoice to dump but you'd probablygety way more value from the 20 extra mobility

[frigid adder]

okay trying shivs again.. and they are growing on me compared to starting with them

[thorn prawn]

If you ever find one with single digit on collateral with a max of 60, you've hit the jackpot

[vale garden]

They're cheeks to begin with

[amber sundial]

Hyper crit will ruin precision violence for the rest of the game btw

[vale garden]

Get good at like level 20

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, dual knives are something I hate because I don't have the talents for em yet

[vale garden]

Ive heard, but they're extremely killy and I imagine it only ruins it for kills not hits

[sinful matrix]

combat knife issue before talents, can't kill shit

[ripe seal]

i like the basic knife alot but I haven't really looked at it compared to the shivs to know the difference outside special

[frigid adder]

my knives are only level 8 atm but playing a lvl 30 crackhead and they feel better

[ripe seal]

I've just been running the shivs since I feel bad about using weapons I already have maxed, just been using all the exclusive guns

[kind mist]

lvl1 combat knife with rank4 bleed blessings though

faceroll

[ripe seal]

yep, been a knife zealot fan since day one

[thorn prawn]

Shivs do feel a tad janky, like the anination states don't flow into each other as smoothly as regular combat knife does

[obsidian crown]

Has anyone actually tried a bleed shiv build with chem toxin on crits? Just curious

[manic wolf]

Proccing Pinning on a semi-reliable basis because its the best damage blessing the weapon gets

[flat mist]

Chem kills don't give any toughness on any build

[ripe seal]

scum gets enough melee stuff to make me feel like using it over the tactical axe

[frigid adder]

Don't really understand the difference between the two shives though.

[thorn prawn]

one stabby one swipey

[novel oracle]

Heavy attacks only

[manic wolf]

One is stabby, one is slashy

Stabby one is better

[ripe seal]

i think the other shiv gets better modifers/stats but their attack pattern is less straight forward

[frigid adder]

so which one is the left click spammy one then?

[obsidian crown]

Did you experiment with bleed blessings on shivs combined with chem toxin talent? Crit one

[novel oracle]

Both

The lights do the same thing

[zealous ravine]

first carpal tunnel type weapon

[thorn prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[kind mist]

slashy shiv has extra cleave on lights

[ripe seal]

i feel that with the basic knife, why would I want to use a different style of knife where the heavies are horde clear over single target when the basic attack of the knife is already really good for horde clear

[kind mist]

which is exceptional for hyperviolence

[bronze glade]

why is the horizontal slash heavy mark so bad 😭

[frigid adder]

oooh i see i see... I don't use heavys nearly as much as i should.

[kind mist]

It really isn't

[novel oracle]

Hyper violence is so fucking stupid man 😭

[zealous ravine]

yea the slashy mark is very goofy

[kind mist]

It really is

[mighty belfry]

https://gyazo.com/34b73d9960b81df2dd4b61219e6f25eb

[novel oracle]

Its really cool but holy shit its so strong

[mighty belfry]

make it stop

[zealous ravine]

rampage shoulda clearly been bardin jump

[ripe seal]

15% toughness regen when a poison enemy is killed by melee, and based on the sound of it, melee kills by teammates would proc it too, but could easily be wrong

[novel oracle]

Thank god
My opinion has arrived

[zealous ravine]

only way to fix hive scum

can finally jump into a crusher horde and die instnatly 🙏

[flat mist]

Those aren't chem kills.

[ripe seal]

shivs get haymaker so that's at least an optino

[obsidian crown]

No one tested bleed shivs with chem toxin?

[mighty belfry]

it's okay

honestly awkward to use because of the tree though

[ripe seal]

you know what I meant, a stim/poison build gets ways to build toughness faster so building your stim to bufftoughness regen isn't needed

[dim moth]

I have done it

one light attack crit leaves an auric dreg rager on like

50 health

crits one shot any horde enemy or basic shooter they touch

[tender marten]

How much tho

2?

[dim moth]

shotgunners die to one crit

gunner die to 2

bulwarks die to 3-ish

[tender marten]

It felt like 2 instead of 1.5 or smth

[flat mist]

All these BPs for it still not to be worth it

[kind mist]

+1

[thorn prawn]

It works great. But rending only goes up to 40% for shivs

[novel oracle]

Lmao

[tender marten]

So 2.5 hmmmm

[zealous ravine]

only 40% rending? 😨

[mighty belfry]

You're honestly better off just running riposte to get more chem DoTs tbh

[zealous ravine]

still a silly amount lmao

[thorn prawn]

Yep, 8% per stack

[mighty belfry]

And more damage.

[novel oracle]

Granted they can get like 150% cleave and 75% power so that 1 goes a lot further

[bronze glade]

so not even one poxxer?

[tender marten]

Exactly my thinking.

[ripe seal]

to be fair its more that uncanny strike on the shovel and knife is just busted, 40% is reasonable

[tender marten]

Plus Flesh Tearer is better anyway

[zealous ravine]

when does vet finally lock in and use a 2h shovel

[tender marten]

Than a stinky one chem dot per crit

[novel oracle]

Not even a groaner which has 1 hitmass

[zealous ravine]

the greatshovel

[amber sundial]

Yea full armor rending + bonus dmg from excess on regular uncanny is silly

[novel oracle]

Its just an ogryn shovel

[ripe seal]

especially since the shovel already has pretty good penetration value, its only weakness is just low base damage

[bronze glade]

surely that's worth losing any semblance of a single target combo...

[novel oracle]

Same moveset but different animations

[zealous ravine]

even i have 2h shovels how does vet not cmon i got cooler weps than thihs guy

[ripe seal]

god I fucking love the standard veteran shovel

[novel oracle]

Push heave loop

[tender marten]

Mark I is bae

[flat mist]

Ainz rates it on his shivs, agri combat shotty solo build

[zealous ravine]

that'd be hilarious to see

[flat mist]

I don't understand

[zealous ravine]

if vet can even lift it

[novel oracle]

The heavy after a push attack is the chest level stab

[bronze glade]

will test that but i don't recall the PA being particularly good

[fast wind]

I've just noticed is the sight on the rocket a damn belt buckle

[tender marten]

'Rates it'? >.>

[ripe seal]

isn't the single target combo for hte mk6 knife also push attacks?

[amber sundial]

So that’s what it was, it just looked like some piece of scrap put on

[bronze glade]

let's not forget the horrible unyield damage...

[frigid adder]

Still leveling them, but as a crackhead rampager, this is what im thinking for my londoners.. thoughts?

[zealous ravine]

london

[bronze glade]

drop MK

[thorn prawn]

My default vet melee too

[bronze glade]

take uncanny

[near mauve]

uncanny over mercy killer

trust

[bronze glade]

esp since you don't have max penetration

[lapis raft]

just because uncanny is nerfed on the shivs it doesnt mean it still isnt the besst blessing :d

[low harbor]

none of these are reasonable, uncanny should be 20% max

[flat mist]

I don't know what you're asking

[bronze glade]

path hates fun

[tender marten]

40% only looks reasonable compared to 120% lmao

[frigid adder]

I'm just not darktide knowledgeable about bis perks

[zealous ravine]

i think 20% would make the game get review bombed somehow

[low harbor]

40% is still equivalent of 16 stacks of brittleness being almost permanently available

[tender marten]

I just dunno what your sentence means cause I don't understand what that word is implying in it

[low harbor]

still broken

[frigid adder]

I mean thats where the stabbing happens right?

[near vapor]

riposte + precog truthers

[ripe seal]

don't the shivs have piss poor penetration tobegin with? shovel has pretty good rending in general and the knife is a big finesse weapon so both of its blessing fits with it

[flat mist]

It means he thinks its very strong

[low harbor]

make base ADM better, make uncanny worse

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/bs94R.gif

[tender marten]

Oh the chem tox dot on crit? Or flesh tearer?

[amber sundial]

Bulwark like the place you get artifacts in risk of rain 2?

[zealous ravine]

this is real

[near mauve]

mister E is yapping a whole a lot about this when its clearly the class isnt for him
The guy admitted that he likes running the safest cheesiest builds possible and he just cant make a class when you're not god himself work

[ripe seal]

if you lowered it to like 20% rending than you can probably run so many other options over it, I don't know the exact numbers but 40% is probably fair on it

[zealous ravine]

clearly the fix is just giving melee hive scum movement speed

[amber sundial]

untouchable should be reworked into move speed fr

[ripe seal]

everyone could use movement speed

[lapis raft]

some movespeed would def be nice ngl

[low harbor]

I'm honestly surprised hvs doesn't have a +move speed on melee kill talent, but their ranged ability gives movement speed

[zealous ravine]

oh my god actually yeah

[tender marten]

Hive Scum should have base sprint speed of 7m/s

[zealous ravine]

that would make that good

[amber sundial]

melee hits or kills grant move speed for X seconds or smth

[lapis raft]

but also you actually way overregen stamina while spam sliding so thats kinda movespeed :d

[near mauve]

why need move speed just dodge sideways

im not kidding

i cut distance by dodging sideways

[ripe seal]

if veteran cacn get base attackdamage on sprint, scum should get something more fitting

[flat mist]

The chem dot on crit.

[frigid adder]

oh yeah even with only rank 1 uncanny i can feel that being better

[near mauve]

flick your cam to the side and side dodge boom boom shacka lacka u just ledged yourself

[tender marten]

Probably for the 15% base damage boost if I had to guess

[thorn prawn]

base damage on nearby toxed enemies

[lapis raft]

just 180 and backwards dodge for max speed

[amber sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446587637442805790/1204.mp4?ex=69348739&is=693335b9&hm=d06ae2d2d94904b4e35d6e91f1fcf5b4140a411511946fd36259ad1b813364e6&

[flat mist]

He doesn't take it

[tender marten]

Whack

[ripe seal]

you can probably just make it a toughness regen speed/bonus regen from sprinting, or have the sprint speed bonus lingerd for a bit after

[thorn prawn]

Scum's true experience

[near mauve]

me every game

its so peak

[obsidian crown]

all right, time to ttest out the melee build adjustments @novel oracle

[flat mist]

He said in the same convo that flesh tearer isn't good because "everything dies in 1-2 hits"

[near vapor]

I got stupid fast wielding the shivs its actually funny

[ripe seal]

I literally did that earlier today while my team was fighting a plague ogryn, I did that whenthere was a mauler next ot me so they killed me while I was hanging with a single o evrhead

[obsidian crown]

nothing i love more than queue''ing up for a mission right into fail screen

[ripe seal]

thankfully I respawned like 5 feet ahead so they got me back quick

[thorn prawn]

I dodged through a railing somehow in Hab Dreyko today

[amber sundial]

I’m calling OSHA the imperium is violating some serious guidelines here

[ripe seal]

I also did slide off the side of the pipe you climb to escape at the end of the tree mission, I think that might have been the same game where I slide off during hte boss fight

[lapis raft]

my game bugs out when that happens as well so i need to close it as it never wants to leave the fail screen, so fun :d

[ripe seal]

the worse part is I slide off 2 steps away from the one small part of the map that had railing

if I angled my camera differently I would have stayed on

[fluid yarrow]

After a great deal of effort to stop showing hate to Psykers over my time playing this game

This class has made me hate them once again

Woe spark head
Black ship be upon thee

Genuinely can’t play this class with psyker teamates

[ripe seal]

I’ve gotten cucked today from an assail psyker when I was running rampage

Having a bubble is nice but almost all the ones I see run the wall instead

[thorn prawn]

Scum is balanced around Auric. Psyker is balanced around Havoc

[fluid yarrow]

Yeah literally only bubble

[ripe seal]

Cooldown reduction aura is nice

[fluid yarrow]

Psyker and balanced in the same sentence is a automatic loud wrong buzzer noise

[ripe seal]

I simply enjoy my flame staff and getting cucked when I use BB

[fluid yarrow]

Also just a small addition
Really wish this class had Handmaiden Kerillians dodge from vermintide

I think it would fit the hive scum to be able to dodge through the crowds

[ripe seal]

I like having my teammates waste ammo to kill an enemy that I was 99% charged on

I wanted something like that as a node for stealth on vet

[winter tusk]

theres no balance, fuck breakpoints, we just throw random numbers in and hope its big enough to make crusher tiny

[thorn prawn]

They're probably saving that for the next class

[fluid yarrow]

NO

[ripe seal]

Give it to ratlings

[amber sundial]

Ooo untouchable being reworked to dodging through trash would be decent

[ripe seal]

I want another non human class with a weird camera placement

[zealous ravine]

new reclaimator class with heavy omnissian axe

[fluid yarrow]

I don’t WANT ANOTHER DODGE CLASS
I HATE DODGING AND THIS CLASS MADE ME LEARN TO DO IT

[near mauve]

no u will not be getting rattlings

[fluid yarrow]

I was a push connoisseur

[manic wolf]

I concur, that would be a very valuable pickup that way

[zealous ravine]

n ew class with b roken legs so they cant dodge

all weps have parry though

[near mauve]

but every class is already faceroll

[fluid yarrow]

We do NOT doge
We PUSH
We ATTACK
And we DONT BLOCK EITHER

[amber sundial]

Just change crouch to toggle then never stand up

[manic wolf]

Parapalegic class

Its a Skitari in a wheelchair

[fluid yarrow]

genuinely though this class made my dodging go from Serviceable to peak

[zealous ravine]

its teh emperor showing up on the golden throne (with tank treads)

[versed spruce]

They have confirmed no Bardin PoVs will be added

[amber sundial]

The wheel chair is also unblessed so the wheels break from time to time

[near vapor]

The Show must go on...

[zealous ravine]

shorter then

[fluid yarrow]

The joy this has always brought me

fuck ratling

[zealous ravine]

nope

[nova pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-gif-25825098

[zealous ravine]

ratling too tall its gonna be a necron scarab

[versed spruce]

[ripe seal]

So we need something twice as tall as a Ogryn

[fluid yarrow]

That sounds so bad

[near mauve]

new class is a whole ass terminator

[versed spruce]

One less option other than Tech adept

[near vapor]

should try playing on low height

[versed spruce]

Which makes me happy :^)

[rose flax]

Ayo

[sturdy linden]

maldmech fans would self destruct in outrage

[fluid yarrow]

Kill Ratling

[manic wolf]

Honestly I had a weird experience with Scummer... I played Zealot and Psyker for years with the absolute bear minimum toughenss regen perks so getting on Scummer was just like "Oh, this feels very natural"

[near mauve]

admech fans should play the game that focuses on admech

[near vapor]

everything feels taller in comparison and youre not even head level with chaff

[near mauve]

win wink

[near vapor]

low height Darktiding is quite literally a detriment

[amber sundial]

Not the weirded thing ever said in this discord

[ripe seal]

Because it’s funny

[fluid yarrow]

I was a martyr zealot and veteran

So this just

[versed spruce]

When the sequel comes out, I will

[manic wolf]

Lmao, but an Admech wheelchair would have loads of bells and whistles attached, surely 😄

[fluid yarrow]

Smooshed em together

And gave me shaped glass from Risk of Rain 2

[novel oracle]

Darktide 2

Confirmed???

[thorn prawn]

Can't physically reach weakspots

[near mauve]

to me scummer just feels like what if u made zealot but he can blender more but u actually need to dodge more

oh and your fotf is murder mode

very cool

[amber sundial]

Giving you 256 shaped glasses :)

Hope you enjoy 0 max hp

[manic wolf]

Its Zealot, but more fun

Drug fuelled Zealot instead of bible fuelled Zealot

[near mauve]

darktide 2 starring admech, captain titus, big e and horus

[fluid yarrow]

I really wish this class brought back a voice line from Vermintide

pops Rampage

[limber cradle]

If they ever do a darktide 2 I want the imperial assassins tbh

[fluid yarrow]

CARVE EM UP

SMASH EM IN!

[thorn prawn]

People say arby is ogryn 2.0, now acum is zealot 2.0. Now get ready for psyker 2.0

[sinful matrix]

Do I get to romance Titus?

[manic wolf]

Please do not

[amber sundial]

when can we get the bloody battering ram himself

[near mauve]

no its vet 2.0

its actually vet 6.0?

[zealous ravine]

vet is actually ogryn 0.5

[amber sundial]

it’s vet 5.5 just with map stims

[fluid yarrow]

No we get to have a Asexual romantic relationship with a space marines armor machine spirit

[manic wolf]

I already dislike being in lobbies with Psykers purely due to the visual pollution they produce, I dont need more of that, thank you very much sir/ma'am

[near mauve]

vet 6.7.....

[amber sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[thorn prawn]

It's all in the shovels

[near mauve]

download the mod that removes all the psyker funnies

its pretty gud

[fluid yarrow]

Can I download a mod that removes Psykers

[manic wolf]

What mod is this?

[fluid yarrow]

[near mauve]

they'll look funny trying to spew their flames but nothing shows up on screen

[manic wolf]

Also yes, where is this mod?

[fluid yarrow]

Mele Kalikimaka

[amber sundial]

“I wanna see”

[thorn prawn]

I love how that mod's name is I Wanna See

[manic wolf]

Excellent

[shut pier]

Hey what are the top best perks and blessings for both the stubs and bone saw for havoc 40?

[manic wolf]

Stubs is Speedloader/Pinning imo, Maniac/Flak, Idk about Saw tho

[amber sundial]

saw is shock and awe and decimator iirc

[near mauve]

I Wanna See

[rose flax]

Maybe like low poly stuff should show instead and not at far distance

[fluid yarrow]

Yknow I’d probably download a mod to have more gore to just fuck my visual feedback

Who needs to see what’s in front of me

I can see this dudes insides

[manic wolf]

Well, time to slap on the disgusting dance music and do one more Scummer run before bed

[fluid yarrow]

Wait

Hold up

Trust

Can you feel the sunshine

Duel shivs rampage scum

It works

Trust me

[manic wolf]

Ima opt for this, ta https://youtu.be/U3VjSxMjFY4

[open sinew]

H

[fervent steppe]

anyone got the dodge graph thingy?

[sinful matrix]

Like all guns, you can also go flak/unarmored

[novel oracle]

Wuh

[sinful matrix]

Shores up some ammo economy into gunners of all varietals

[fervent steppe]

it shows how the dodges are counted

[sinful matrix]

randomly helps with bruisers too

[fervent steppe]

like a circle

[novel oracle]

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by "how dodges are counted"

[bleak jetty]

Fellas, I think I agree with everyone, the crowbar clearly needs a buff

[drifting heron]

Sprint dodges

[novel oracle]

OH SPRINT DODGE ANGLE

[rich carbon]

anyone got a stub pistols build

they feel super good

or crowber

both at once?

[sinful matrix]

They work alright with desperado

[zealous ravine]

sprint dodge angle mentioned

[ripe seal]

I just run both on my basic gun build

[sinful matrix]

I'd argue that Daps are better, but there's a certain style to running DSPs

(they're both good, mind, just that DAPs kinda edge em out in that build if you care about maximal efficiency)

[young herald]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a078a742-cd11-4094-a727-dd15dbe91ccb/the-right-man-in-the-wrong-place

[near vapor]

just need some number tweaking

[novel oracle]

Is this what youre looking for?
Like ranged dodges while sprinting?

[hybrid path]

Okay for those who have completed the Enhanced penance wtf did you do? like what is it I need to do to get the progress cause I'm stimming myself letting them hit me and getting regen from hits, I'm dropping my stimm supply for teammates and myself but I'm getting like little not no progress on the penance

[fervent steppe]

danke

[near vapor]

otherwise its in a good spot all things considered

its reminiscent of the vet shovel

[novel oracle]

Yeah the actual name is sprint dodge angle which is why i was just like dodge circle??? Huh????

[fervent steppe]

i forgot its name

its like 3 am for me

3:34 to be exact

[novel oracle]

No worries you can just see my bewilderment lmfao

[tender marten]

all my homies love oblique bullet avoidance

[near vapor]

did the sefoni training even covers this

its been 3 years...

[sinful matrix]

I believe so

Not the exact angles of course, cause its fatshark

but it DOES make you sprint to avoid fire

[broken garnet]

bone saw yummy?

[near vapor]

ye

[grave venture]

I've seen enough, buff crowbar

[young herald]

put points into the stim to get the 2 +25% toughness replenished nodes, then go into missions, wait til your toughness drops, and then stim yourself

rinse repeat as often as you can

it takes fucking forever and it's the dumbest bullshit I've seen in a hot minute

[bronze glade]

comes in two flavors, green apple and grapefruit!

[hybrid path]

Gotcha

[bronze glade]

lol this is why i ignore penances...

[young herald]

I would, but they put that one early in the tree, so it's blocking like 4 separate penances for me, and I want the cosmetics from them

[hybrid path]

I also hate the chem dependency one it is ridiculous requirements

[amber sundial]

Gotta love how it could’ve been so much easier if it worked with coherency too like the buffs actually give

[young herald]

it does. The problem is coherency regen is still trash

[amber sundial]

I swear it’s only the immediate regen that it works with

[versed spruce]

Do you know if it's based explicitly on look direction or movement direction?

It says it in the pic but yk yk

[candid flint]

@hot moth bad game

i wish i clipped my burster moment

[novel oracle]

Can you sprint any other direction other than forward?

[young herald]

The penance counts coherency regen and the toughness replenish nodes in the stim tree, while the toughness regeneration buff in the stim tree applies to only coherency regen.

The issue for the penance is that coherency regen sucks. You need to run 3x 30% toughness regen speed curio perks, be near your team constantly, not have any enemies in a melee slot, and not cap out your toughness from other talents while your stim is active for it to count anything

[versed spruce]

You can hold A or D to look diagonal to where you are sprinting

[young herald]

the fundamental problem is that the way scum works, you're either at full toughness, or not in a scenario where coherency regen can do anything for you

and there's no middle ground

[amber sundial]

oh wait im stupid even if coherency works I have like 200 toughness so the % will barely go up on the penance regardless

[young herald]

I wanted it to be good, I even ran the curio perks, but getting all the way to level 30, I managed like 200/2600 on that penance

[amber sundial]

I’m at like 1500 now just farming bomber fire patches

[young herald]

basically what I've been doing, yeah

just maxed out the top two trees, go bait a gunner or whatever to get me to low toughness and stim myself

[sinful matrix]

lol

lmao even

I'm almost done with mine

It ain't all that

Literally just take the 25% toughness regened and you're fine

it'll be a few missions, but not awful

[amber sundial]

it’s awful because I’m playing decently well and I have rampage to replenish toughness so I don’t get progress on it naturally

[sinful matrix]

Just get bopped by a lone bruiser

and then immediately proc it

that's what I do(I swear its intentional and I'm not just forgetting some enemies might be near me)

[hallow creek]

is it true hyper critical is making precision violence act weird?

[sinful matrix]

soon my ogryn, soon.

[young herald]

reportedly, once hyper-critical procs, precision violence stops generating toughness, yes