hivescum-class

[main minnow]

It's a keystone

the keystone's effects are after you do enough meleeing, you get a burst of melee stats

[vernal sluice]

I went 1-27 in my first afternoon of playing and reached level cap + unlocked the drip I wanted to wear in the second. I strongly feel I'll end up maining hivescum because I can finally do what I couldn't quite do with any other class - dance through hordes of enemies

[winter tusk]

its a passive talent that stacks up as you do melee, theres a counter at the bottom of your screen with the rest of the effects from your tree

[limber cradle]

Hell, I made a second scum to level again to hear another voice cause a bunch of my friends got into DT for the free bit

[kind zodiac]

Well I asked at least

[small grail]

Alright after taking off the 4 stack talent, yeah chem dependency is much better to use

[novel oracle]

personally think this is the best setup for it, give or take regen

[steep oak]

Oh I see it. Next question Whats cartel special? Im just trying to do some penances

[small grail]

The 4 stack talent is such a huge nerf with that 30 seconds less

[steep vale]

Hive scum is so peak chat

[novel oracle]

stim

[vernal sluice]

Also not 100% happy it's HS exclusive but scum has that one really sick looking haircut fr

[steep vale]

Ooooh im hive scumminh it so hard

[sinful matrix]

Ogryn is right there

How dare you speak this slander

[novel oracle]

crowbar on zealot would go so nuclear

[steep oak]

So I just use any stim? That I made

[steep vale]

I havent touched my ogryn in………

[thorny ginkgo]

thoughts on my build? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a084e48a-1f70-4046-86ff-e7db722bb16f/rashad-ramp-frenzy?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[novel oracle]

not a nuclear as shovel tho

[torpid cloud]

One of my friends claimed he managed to tank two crusher overheads as scum and I don't know how he did that

[novel oracle]

yes
thats the cartel special
thats what the custom stim is called

[sinful matrix]

slide immunity

[thorny ginkgo]

rashad blessings are momentum and headtaker

[novel oracle]

take off hypercritical

first

[steep oak]

ok thank you. May the god emperor bless you

[steep vale]

At least 7 months @sinful matrix

[novel oracle]

i think untouchable is a detriment most of the time

[limber cradle]

Will trade one crowbar for one relic blade

[thorny ginkgo]

kk

[winter tusk]

Get to it

[sinful matrix]

Rectify this or I must take your ogryn badge away Jelly

[novel oracle]

jittery is way more useful that cheap shots considering scum barely has stagger

[steep vale]

I like my ogryn tho

Gg shield was fun

[winter tusk]

More reason I play everything, im used to basically every movement speed lol

[steep vale]

But hive scum more fun

[thorny ginkgo]

i figured

[main minnow]

I can see Adrenaline Assassin depending on the build

[vernal sluice]

Yeah cheap shots is one of those "why does this exist" perks for me

[sinful matrix]

I've been using Branx w/ Sniper Single Barrel Stubber

[steep vale]

Also i havent touched my psyker since before the first skill tree reworks

[main minnow]

Build yes

[drifting heron]

It apparently works on crowbar and bonesaw rip attacks

[limber cradle]

I dont underatand what you'd use the stagger talent for outside some sort of specific premade comp

[steep vale]

So like fuck that guy hes dead in a ditch

[novel oracle]

25% weakspot damage is kinda whatever ngl
and you have blinders and blitz toxin is right there
or take the shout node in rampage, i dont know how anyone plays without that

[winter tusk]

Psyker is much better now

[frigid basalt]

was bistol mob or stab dump

[winter tusk]

Playing scum is a good gauge for psyker because you have to be so careful for both

[steep vale]

Yeah i just like other classes more

[main minnow]

Because all they see is "MOAR DAMAGE MOAR"

[winter tusk]

Nuh uh

[main minnow]

sadly a lot of players fall into that category

[steep vale]

I play for fun not whos the best class

[main minnow]

don't understand the value of things other than +dmg

[steep vale]

Makes life more enjoyable i think

[winter tusk]

FGS is one of the strongest and most fun weapons in the game

[sinful matrix]

Oh yeah, I totally recognize that Ogryn is OP or whatever

[winter tusk]

Yeah me too lol, psyker is tons of fun

[sinful matrix]

But I love the power fantasy more

Even when ogryn was just "ok" it was more fun than anyone else

[winter tusk]

Staves are pretty fun, gun psyker is big ups though

[sinful matrix]

big man with big weapon play baseball with heretik heads

[novel oracle]

shout attack speed reduction trivializes bosses

[winter tusk]

I love the smell of powecreep in the morning

[limber cradle]

Tbh I really fuck with the standard pistols

Theyre very stylish

And as we all know Style>Substance

[drifting heron]

I'm losing it someone in arbites is arguing that a wall hack mod isn't cheating

Goodnight

[vernal sluice]

Bye

[novel oracle]

you cant win against them

they macro normal combos cuz they dont like doing them themselves

[drifting heron]

Yeah I've noticed

[novel oracle]

they just dont like playing darktide so they remove darktide from darktide

and only then is it fun

[limber cradle]

Arb chat is hell

[drifting heron]

But I need an excuse to stay up a bit (I don't this is cope)

[winter tusk]

Mister E tide please show me the light in Lights Out

[vernal sluice]

And style = power

[main minnow]

I mean tbf I do that too, because I am not running tac axe without full auto for melee

[limber cradle]

Exactly.

[novel oracle]

this is my solution to that

[novel oracle]

its what im doing right now

[novel oracle]

IM STIMMSING????????

[winter tusk]

Vermintide 2 time sounds like

[limber cradle]

I love spinning my pistols and blowing things heads clean off, I love chaining headshots like that, most satisfying thing I've have in DT in awhile

[novel oracle]

if youre running stupid high attack speed and doing light spam
i can understand
not that its optimal cuz push heavy combos are and that doesnt break your hand but still

im talking like full combos with complex moveset weapons

[kind zodiac]

Huh please tell me you’re joking me like really who the fuck hacks in dark tide

[novel oracle]

cuz they want to use that mark

but dont want to put in the work

[limber cradle]

I have 2 attack speed stimm crates and my own attack speed stim on shivs earlier and I'm not totally sure what I was seeing qualified as animations anymore, speaking of attack speed light spam

[winter tusk]

Can I just make macros and have it play the game for me

[fair oar]

which combat axe is the best?

[winter tusk]

Do my dodges too

[thorny ginkgo]

rashad

[vernal sluice]

I'm ngl movesets that rely on push cancels still fuck me up

[winter tusk]

Like fgs?

[vernal sluice]

Despite my playtime I still can't get the mouse presses consistently right

[vernal sluice]

And bonesaw I believe

[winter tusk]

TRIAL BY FIRE TRIAL BY FIRE

This has been a message brought to you by trial by fire, just do it and force yourself to learn it, its the best way

[winter tusk]

[main minnow]

If I wanted to not swing around a hatchet like I was on methamphetamines, I wouldn't be using a tac axe to begin with.

[vernal sluice]

Oh fuck yeah
Goodbye psyker is bad bait posts
Welcome hivescum is bad bait posts

[raw depot]

Nuh uh hive scum does big deeps if you ignore psyker.

[drowsy relic]

An unironic point was "gets 1 hit by crusher and mauler overheads"

[main minnow]

Here's my probably shit build but it does what I want it to do so nyah build.

[winter tusk]

So does almost everything else lol

[vernal sluice]

Yup has to be bait

[main minnow]

I'm pretty sure only Arbites and Ogryn can facetank a crusher overhead

and even then it hurts

[vernal sluice]

Arbites only w truegrit

[twilit tide]

anyone can tank a crusher overhead with golden toughness and blocking

[winter tusk]

Arbitrator can face tank 5 overheads with true grit and health curios

[raw depot]

Zealot can face tank anything with holy Rev if i remember right

[neon mango]

true grit is the most unga bunga talent ever

[main minnow]

I mean at that point you might as well argue Oggy can facetank infinite overheads because slab shield

[twilit tide]

yea even on havoc 40 though he's just a pinky toe at that point

[main minnow]

True grit is great

[winter tusk]

Why does my glass cannon shatter when I drop it from a skyscraper?

[vernal sluice]

The skyscraper is too tall

[main minnow]

Nah you need vulture's mark

[winter tusk]

Cut its knees off

[vernal sluice]

Fatshark pleass bring down the skyscraper? Plese? Why so anti player?

[toxic dagger]

Tanking with your shield instead of your face is categorically not facetanking

[winter tusk]

Please give me skyscraper immunity

Pls

[main wagon]

Horse Armor looking at you like

[vernal sluice]

Fatte sharké plese

[main minnow]

actually can you still eat shit from an overhead not aimed at you while playing Jacket Grinder

[winter tusk]

You can tank someones over head or net or anything if you get in the way

[fair oar]

is the combat axe better than the dagger for maulers/crushers?

[main minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57_frgcohVg

This is literally just Hive scum with vulture and its disgusting

[raw depot]

Honestly love the fact that hive scum is a glass cannon its so fun I hope they buff the classes utility over survivability if they buff at all

[winter tusk]

I don't see it getting much more survivability, its pretty well intended to be a wet tissue

[kind zodiac]

What about ass tanking nah nah

[main minnow]

wait no

Suit Anarchist

[kind zodiac]

I mean ogryn probs have a big enough ass to tank hits

[winter tusk]

Fear not sah, ill catch all tha boolets with me arse, sah

[spice cloud]

Guys what do u put on tha bonesaw?

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/bonesaw-is-ready-randy-savage-gif-5299435

[kind zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/when-i-ask-a-question-and-all-i-get-are-tumble-weeds-and-crickets-gif-27619441

[winter tusk]

Definitely shock and awe for one blessing

[kind zodiac]

I’ve gotta get some better material

[raw depot]

I prefer my bone Saws boneless

[spice cloud]

I do have that

The heavy attacks feel so weird

[main minnow]

Poison

[winter tusk]

Not sure what else, I havent used it yet, just been reading a little discussion in here

[spice cloud]

I gotta say im a bit dissapointed in the crowbar and bonesaw
Blessings

[kind zodiac]

Well imma head off chat to play dark tide the hive scum won’t level itself now

[winter tusk]

Crowbar needs canopener pretty sure

Just make a macro to level for you

[spice cloud]

Ik i just think the blessings are not very good

I dont need macros.

[winter tusk]

Isn't that like every weapon though

[kind zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-goodbye-chat-gif-17988604282929457996

[spice cloud]

No

I meam some of em

[winter tusk]

Almost every weapon has one or two decent combos and the rest are kinda sbit

Shit*

[twilit tide]

the mk 3 I believe can three shot crushers of the shivs

[raw depot]

I think caxe and the British handshake are up to personal preference

[near vapor]

Ive been summoned

oh Dispatch?

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-its-peak-its-way-too-peak-its-honestly-more-than-peak-meme-gif-14944785001351870503

[main minnow]

You just figure out the rout to do 100% sweeps

and the route to do 100% overheads

and then those are your two combos for a weapon

[kind zodiac]

THANK YOU MY BROTHER IN MECHA MAN dispatch is the GOAT

[near vapor]

indeed

[kind zodiac]

ayyye invisi man of culture i see

[near vapor]

yeeep

love her story so much

[random shuttle]

Yes her "story"

Especially start of that one episode.

Very good story mhm mhm.

[gaunt skiff]

I'

I am in love with this class ngl

[turbid fulcrum]

Holy shit this class sucks. Why didn't they release a space marine class instead? Waste of development time.

[gaunt skiff]

That guy is a taker

[toxic dagger]

Real

[fair oar]

i like this class 🥺

i see a dual wielding pistol class, i like it

[winter tusk]

Belief used to be baitable

[gaunt skiff]

I've been rockin' a crowbar

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-freeman-half-life-half-life-2-smoke-smoking-gif-10286882637165944395

[near vapor]

I just like spamming dodge

and outrunning the entire team

https://tenor.com/view/mcqueen-gif-9449693085032454841

[fair oar]

that was zealot the last time i played

[gaunt skiff]

I like Rampage

[muted pivot]

fantastic first mission on scum

train with nobody else joining

[raw depot]

Look man if the class doesnt let me out run the entire team procking the ai director to spawn 500 crushers I dont want it.

[muted pivot]

until somebody does, plays like utter fucking shit, pulls all the bots off of me and dies with all the bots down the wrong end of the train, I'm not able to recover

[near vapor]

ganger is the fastest class now

[muted pivot]

I really fucking hate people who are wilfully and deliberately shit.

[bleak moon]

whats the fastest way you guys level weps?

[unique spire]

Malice or Auric quickplay

[near vapor]

buy in bulk the weapon you wanna level
upgrade them all only to green tier
sacrifice the greens

[unique spire]

Whatever this weirdo said too

[hot moth]

note: only do this once you're level 30

otherwise your weapons return almost 0 mastery xp

[bleak moon]

sounds expensive

[near vapor]

yeah

fastest too

[main minnow]

On the bright side

[raw depot]

Preforming the second method will give you poor syndrome where you have no money or mats

[bleak moon]

I only have 10k squares and 60k tubes

[main minnow]

you have to buy like 20 of them to get a max dump stats weapon too

[main minnow]

Good news, the process involves 0 cubes

[maiden heart]

spend all my excess resources buying, upgrading, trading in 😉

[unique spire]

46*

[near vapor]

the boring part is sitting there for like 40 minutes

[unique spire]

Wrong comment

[near vapor]

buying and upgrading

[spark bough]

Me entering into Auric Maelstrom with a level 1 crowbar...

[main minnow]

But yeah just

[toxic dagger]

my life for a button that just bruteforces the whole thing if you have enough mats

i know there's a mod for it but should just be a QoL feature

[near vapor]

buy until rating was it?

[main minnow]

You have to play Brunt's Casino to find a good stat weapon anyways, so do that before you level and then sacrifice the rest failed ones.

Afterwards level normally is what I do

Yeah but buy until rating wasn't remastered to work with dump stats

[bleak moon]

already did that

[maiden heart]

agreed 100%,
i still do it manual xD

[main minnow]

You know what would be really funny?

[toxic dagger]

me too lol, i did it while i was wfh when the patch dropped so i had my scum fully prepped in the evening lol

[main minnow]

Lead pipe weapon

[random shuttle]

Crafting is almost 100% fixed

[main minnow]

With a throwing effect like the shiv

[random shuttle]

but the Brunt Gamba is real

[last roost]

anyone here got a good build for hive scum? nothing direct just yk mainly looking for the best talents

[near vapor]

closest thing to that

[maiden heart]

nice nice. i dont rly play oggy until recently, and when i did, it was definitely a few hrs to do them all at once 😂

[near vapor]

is the shiv skin you can buy on hallowette

[toxic dagger]

talents that give you toughness regen/replenishment and talents that give you damage, including variations like hyperviolence

[random shuttle]

Best talents is simple

[toxic dagger]

those are the most important ones

[random shuttle]

the diamond here

[near vapor]

sharp stabby fashioned out of pipes

[random shuttle]

and this cluster

[spark bough]

imagine if HS got broken bottle as a weapon.

[random shuttle]

90% of Scummies will have most of the talents here picked

[main minnow]

Whatever you do, don't take nimble

it's bugged I think

[toxic dagger]

@novel oracle is nimble bugged?

[main minnow]

reduces dodge duration

[last roost]

alright thanks twin

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/mate-cheers-demoman-gif-18514440

[random shuttle]

Kuli says it isn't so I am saying it isn't

[novel oracle]

ive not noticed it being bugged

[last roost]

is unload any good?

talent

[novel oracle]

free damage on magdump builds

[toxic dagger]

ok yeah then it's not bugged. @main minnow you can update your opinion

[kind zodiac]

heh a broken class bottle as a melee weapon for the hive scum

[warped grove]

Is it just me or is pickpocket seemingly not working for someone else

[toxic dagger]

pickpocket works

[warped grove]

I can never get it to trigger

[toxic dagger]

howeverrrr

are you running hypercritical?

[warped grove]

Which one is that again?

[toxic dagger]

crit culling talent

[main minnow]

Roger that

[toxic dagger]

I believe it prevents any on-kill effects from working

[last roost]

whats the best curios perks for hivescum? is it just the normal stuff (gunner resist, toughness, CAR, revive speed, stam regen, etc)

[main minnow]

Toughness, Health, CDR IMO

[random shuttle]

Remember people, if you want to know how everything works and what's bugged and how, just read up Kuli's guide

[toxic dagger]

also I wouldnt be surprised if pickpocket doesnt work if the target dies from toxin DoT because that stuff is borked to hell and back too

[warped grove]

Ill check in a second

[pearl ore]

sprint efficency

[novel oracle]

no its the melee toughness talent it cancels

[random shuttle]

Kuli's guide are correct 99,9% of the time.

[last roost]

i dont like running health personally ngl

[warped grove]

Cause I killed like a gunner at 5 bullets (out of 50) and the talent didnt trigger

[pearl ore]

ive been mixing other trees into right tree to make the nastiest needle gun I can, and everytime I think it will proc something im dissapointed

[toxic dagger]

yea

the thing is that DoT damage has been excluded from counting as ranged damage deliberately because that leads to OP bullshit elsewhere

[maiden heart]

finally, after 2 days of awful groups as solo, i got auric unlocked orz

[subtle yacht]

Hi all ! Where can I find the dump stats for the Hive Scum weapons?

[main minnow]

Mobility, Mobility, and Mobility

[subtle yacht]

Yes yes yes ! 😄

[pearl ore]

I wanted to make a sprint shoot desparado that keeps that threat cut maxed and just bull through enemies tagging each thing with a needle and moving on

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[maiden heart]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-yes-jojo-jotaro-kujo-gif-16101439

[warped grove]

And damage for needle*

[main minnow]

Arguably Defenses for Crowbar

[warped grove]

So many quirks with this class

[near vapor]

I love Fatshark

[last roost]

good for shotguns ngl

[near vapor]

[maiden heart]

actually loving the class, didnt think id like bonesaw but after learning it, it feels so nice

[last roost]

feel like that perk could make or break DB

[warped grove]

How are you supposed to use it? I dont seem to get it

[main minnow]

maybe, but think about it. 80 damage increases your per shot damage from 31 to 33, yes, but it laso gives you 10% more damage modifier vs unarmored

[fair oar]

guys i did it. i'm 16. i got the dagger

[near vapor]

its good stuff

[unreal stirrup]

we have long shot at home

[main minnow]

That means you're doing 3 whole damage more than before!

[last roost]

isnt DB unyielding flak flachette and deathspitter?

[near vapor]

its a combo weapon

[main minnow]

but yeah

[maiden heart]

block attack and attack after, rinse

[main minnow]

tbf mobility on needler is also basically doing nothing

[spark bough]

Maulers, Bulwarks & Reapers taking backshots from a Crowbar and dying in 1 hit has got to be one of the funniest things ive experienced. not to mention you can 2 shot Crushers with the right skills.

[main minnow]

but damage is even more nothing

[near vapor]

push attack > heavy > heavy (horde clear)
push > heavy > heavy (single target)

[warped grove]

light attack or heavy?

[warped grove]

Thanks

[near vapor]

you can weave lights for quick slashes

[maiden heart]

i usually block attack light, but i think heavy also does the same sort of attack pattern. idk whats optimal

[near vapor]

its a very involved weapon to use, since the combos are chained after doing a push

I love when FS design weapons like that

[main minnow]

Heavy > Light Loop for Single Target and Push -> Loop Heavy Light for Horde clear when your stamina gets low

[maiden heart]

i also dont know whether to run purple or yellow on bonesaw, atm ive been purple on specials and yellow if its just a normal horde,

[fair oar]

3 more levels until vulture dodge

[main minnow]

Malarkey's combos are better, but if you run low on stam, swap to this until stam is back up

Reminds me of Axe and Falchion tbh

miss that weapon

vermintide had a lot of weapons where you had higher horde clear with a push attack reliant loop

[maiden heart]

didnt play vt, bonesaw is my first real push attack wep, i like it a lot

[main minnow]

Purple inflicts brittleness, it's basically only for carapace

poison is so strong

flak and unyielding melt to it anyway

[maiden heart]

i know the debuff, i just watch chocob and he doesnt rly change, i dont look too deeply into everything when i should. just wondering if its okay to keep using purp on horde

[main minnow]

probably

it's not optimal, but it's not like it stops working

anyways

[main minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAN1tyDdRnc

Behold the absolute nonsense that is Bret S&S optimal horde clear combos

no skitarius, you just had to learn this fucking rhythm manually

[maiden heart]

yeah thats what i thought tbh, im not going for minmax unless i can find a group to run with, but just understanding better than i do is my goal

[main minnow]

sometimes I do this exactly loop on slab shield just for the funnies

it's shit on it but funny

[maiden heart]

i love the VT/fantasy aesthetic so much, i really goota play but i cant play 2 games at once..

[spark bough]

Heavy sword is quite fun with HS since you get an extra 25% rending with Rampage above 50% combine with bladed momentum it actually does decent damage vs Crushers.

[main minnow]

shame

[novel oracle]

bladed momentum is kind of a waste tho

[main minnow]

but yeah the Grail Knight weaps are still the most advanced things fatshark ever made

[novel oracle]

you could just get more damage that doesnt require a horde alongside to get it to work

the 25% is already taking you super far

then hyper violence brings it to the next level

[random shuttle]

Y'all sleeping on new meta

Meleescum with Devil Claw

He never met-a-girl.

[maiden heart]

ive only been using the scum only weps, the other generic weps work well i guess?

[spark bough]

yeah... but i was more just testing to see if i could 1 tap a Crusher, i got close.

[random shuttle]

Work super well

Rashad, Taxe, Revolver

IAG

[spark bough]

I too have been using Devil Claw with HS.

[maiden heart]

you dont happen to have a build with the dclaw and whatever, do you?

[tepid cosmos]

13 g chainsword is pretty fun on them

[winter tusk]

Speaking of devils claw builds

@novel oracle You think you can link this guy a build for devils claw bolter on zealot. I don't use devils claw at all dont know how to build it. #zealot-class message

[subtle yacht]

What are some good blessings & traits on the shiv & crowbar? 🙂

[near vapor]

heavy sword my beloved

[winter tusk]

Shiv uncanny strike precognition

[thin crag]

for shiv i use uncanny and reposte

[winter tusk]

Cara unyielding shiv

[subtle yacht]

with crit chance + unyielding or carapace?

[maiden heart]

never used hsword 😭 i pick one or two weps and just roll with it

[winter tusk]

It needs the cara unyielding ye

[subtle yacht]

So in ur opinion, crit chance+cara would be a no go ?

[winter tusk]

Not really needed, it needs the damage for those types

[near vapor]

it mulches everything but carapace, though with Rampage + rending it does respectable carapace damage

just put headtaker + deathblow on it

[hearty thicket]

i use melee crit chance and flak on my shiv still pumps dmg with mega attack speed build while taking like no dmg

[thin crag]

i’m still trying go figure out the bone saw

i love it but it feels weird to use

[winter tusk]

Bonesaw has to have shock and awe with cleave somewhere on the tree

[thin crag]

i use shock n awe and shred, but i thought about switching out shred for the one that increases weak spot damage on chem toxin infected enemies

[spark bough]

i tried weakspot dmg, its not worth it.

[maiden heart]

ref lethality?

[latent lark]

yeah real

hive scum is wierd in general

[thin crag]

yeah

[main trellis]

or do chain shield bashes; they are better & give you better TH & better CC

[latent lark]

it’s gimmick is mostly the toxin and you need to survive until enemies die

[thin crag]

that’s saddening

[latent lark]

but there’s just not enough survivability in the class

to
me

[thin crag]

toxin is strong as hell tho

the needle gun does so much damage

[latent lark]

yeah but that doesn’t mean much if you get 2 shot by grunts

[hallow raft]

Needle gun does no DMG. The dots do DMG

[thin crag]

i mean, isnt the point of HS high risk high reward?

[latent lark]

i can’t get those shots off bc i die to anything, feel like that’s what needs to be sorted

[main trellis]

you shoot 1 needle at a shooter & they are dead; over time but dead

[hearty thicket]

if you're dying to peashooters then its a skill issue

[molten galleon]

So with stim supply, how often does it apply the effects of a stim to those within it?

[latent lark]

yeah it’s not that

[main trellis]

No Tis but a scratch & burst of energy moment

[latent lark]

it’s just generally i die so easily, only class where i feel like i need to kill every single straggler

bc they do so much damage to you

[thin crag]

i was gonna say HS has some good survival nodes at the end

[main trellis]

build?

[molten galleon]

Like if I pick toughness in my custom stim, will it fill toughness bars up or just dump 25-50% toughness onto the recipient and be done?

[spark bough]

Decapitator or Decimator combined with Wrath seem to be decent, just takes a bit for the damage to build up.

[dim moth]

or for my incessant desire to stack toxin to the moon

[latent lark]

im still sorting it out

[foggy phoenix]

Anyone else have a bug with the crate ability not dropping on the ground when pressing the combat ability?
You just hold it in your hands, and you can't switch to any weapon or perform any action

[main trellis]

well; apart from general awareness & skill...
pick Tis but a scratch & burst of energy everytime - if not then pepega; those 2 are mandatory in every build & are below rampage ability in the middle

[thin crag]

also the needle gun has a perk i’m not sure if it’s class locked, but as you’re running and above 50% stam you’re immune to ranged damage.. and HS has insane stam

[latent lark]

ok tyty

[tepid cosmos]

as i said to someone in a call earlier sure my needle pistol might kill a reaper in 4 seconds, or i could shoot him with my infantry auto gun and kill him in 4 seconds

there is alot of stuff in the game right now that kills on par or faster than toxin

and i feel alot of people just arent acknowledging this

[dim moth]

needle pistol does this from infinite range, with 3 shots

[safe violet]

hey guys im trying to do a desperado build but i got a few questions
do i go for vulture or chemical dependency? and do i go for reload speed or cooldown regen stimm

[latent lark]

i mean i’ve been penance grinding and i get to use desperado again now which i think i will love so much more

[dim moth]

vraks can do it in 2 at point blank but anywhere that isn't pooint blank is going to be dicey

and they have to be headshots

[calm aurora]

Decapitator is bad. Reaaaal bad compared to decimator.

[dim moth]

needle pistol just hit the guys

from anywhere, at any range

and he's assured dead

[thin crag]

you have to be actively shooting, needle gun i can shoot and forget for 10 seconds then come back rinse and repeat

[maiden heart]

anyone been running havoc? whats a reliable build thats worked, im on the cusp rn, would like some insight

[spark bough]

I like the needle for dealing with Crushers and Monstrosities when i just dont want to deal with them.

[foggy phoenix]

The difference is that you can hide in cover after dumping your needles, and there's even a perk to specifically to ignore ranged damage so long as you hit weakspots, so it's significantly safer.

Autoguns require you to dump enough ammo to kill someone, and perking up for the ranged damage immunity will greatly hinder your DPS, unlike the needle gun.

[calm aurora]

My problem is that fucking trapper hidden in the horde and that only I have seen

[spark bough]

it is, but Rampage combined with the 25% rending skill make it useable.

[foggy phoenix]

The autoguns need their blessings for their damage.
The blessings on the needle pistols are essentially just bonuses you don't need to maximize your DPS.

[main trellis]

Kenzinkton moment

[thin crag]

i thought it was running while above 50% stam that makes you immune to ranged damage

[main trellis]

you know what rending stands for?

[random shuttle]

no I was memeing

[random shuttle]

Rending is a shortcut for Rear ending

it's what happens when I run into Crushers

[foggy phoenix]

I heard Decapitator is bugged.
The enemy has to take zero damage from any other source- Essentially, you have to kill them at full HP, for it to count.
Issue is, it also counts the poison from the Saw as a different damage source, so...

[random shuttle]

[maiden heart]

i laugh in ur general direction

[main trellis]

Prison showers moment

[random shuttle]

My knife is called

[spark bough]

its ignoring 25% of carapace, or something like that.

[random shuttle]

Shankshaw Redemption

[foggy phoenix]

Do you know what ADM is?

[random shuttle]

ADM stands for "Ask Daddy/Mommy" ofc.

[tepid cosmos]

plasma, revolver, headhunter, voidstrike, bolter, helbore, infantry las, double barrell and probably other weapons i cant think of right now all kill faster than 3 shots.

and on the note of what you said @foggy phoenix all of these weapons can kill that enemy in the time it takes you to apply the needle shots never mind also waiting for them to die the only time this argument is valid is bosses

[winter tusk]

This is the psyker experience, you literally have to be careful of every trash mob. Its designed to be that way

[spark bough]

[main trellis]

not just carapace; Maniac, Unyielding & Flak if you have ADM below 1.0; above that it does linear minor dmg increase - so no; it don't do jack shit for decapitator to work - dont use that dogshit; use decimator

[latent lark]

psyker doesn’t feel as squishy, with psyker my only issue is getting 1 shot by maulers

[random shuttle]

Consider Havoc Modifiers. Most of them make big boys super tanky. Most of them do not protect against DOTs

[winter tusk]

Even psyker has damage resistance, and if youre playing a staff it cant compare

[foggy phoenix]

Why would you even mention class exclusives as a point of comparison?
The needle pistol is kind of unique in that it doesn't require much investment to do great, and it does ok mixed horde clear with the alt fire explodey toxin.

[latent lark]

i’ve legit looked away from my screen for 1 second as hive scum and died bc there was a random grunt spawn

[winter tusk]

Yes

Dont look away

[foggy phoenix]

Woe, near-non-existent TDR upon ye.

[tepid cosmos]

this game has 6 classes, those classes interact in the game together

[thin crag]

you aren’t locked in bro

[random shuttle]

Lies!

Slander!

[foggy phoenix]

I assure you that it's relevant to what Rending is.

[random shuttle]

The game has 1 class - Ogryn

[winter tusk]

The game only gets more intensive, if you take your eyes off it opens you up

[random shuttle]

and 5 trash people following Ogryn around.

I guess.

[winter tusk]

I want the next class to he support focused

Like truly

[calm aurora]

that's what it has always done iirc

[latent lark]

i play on auric most of the time so im no havoc player but are you fr telling me you sit at the screen staring at it for the whole mission

[spark bough]

ive been using Decimator, i was testing Decapitator only but it was more situational at times, only issue is when i miss a swing and i lose stacks.

[calm aurora]

unc alert

[thin crag]

mobile medcae station

[winter tusk]

Unless its a med station or nothing yes

[tepid cosmos]

decapitor would be a great blessing if it worked lol

[random shuttle]

[winter tusk]

Gotta use that audio, chatblock mod helps too

[vernal sluice]

some of these scum players are worryingly arbites brained

context: bro ran 2 astronomical units ahead of everyone in no man's land and died without killing anything

[random shuttle]

A Zealot Loner Classic

Play like it's 2023

[vernal sluice]

the more things change the more they stay the same

[small grail]

Holy. Desperado is op

[random shuttle]

History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme

[calm aurora]

knife zealot 70% dr crit knife kantrael moment

[random shuttle]

We don't know here what's a Desperado

we only know Despacito

[torpid cloud]

Hivescum is just a small ogryn with glass bones and a Chem problem

[small grail]

So more fun basically. (Don't do drugs kids)

[random shuttle]

Every class is just Weaker Ogryn in some ways.

[spark bough]

i think the most interesting thing about the update is when you have a Stim by default and cant pick up stims and you've been downed or half hp and you see a medstim and there's a class that can pick up a stim, their first thought is to completely miss the stim and not pick it up, or pick it up and not use it on you/other person.

[limber cradle]

52 more missions and I finish every Scum penance, tomorrow we train.

[winter tusk]

Honestly kinda, itd be a bit busted but something like warrior priest from vermintide, revive at distance. Or maybe something like lifeline from apex with an ad mech character, toss down a servo skull on downed teammates, either let it revive, or prolong their time on the ground by a ton. Something

[clear isle]

I can't tell if I'm mistaking smth

so the colour of "the show" emblem is green right?

[random shuttle]

Yes

[clear isle]

but the starting cosmetic you get is orange??

[torpid cloud]

I honestly sincerely doubt youd survive in the hive without an addictive drug or two

[random shuttle]

Their colors are Green-Gold-Yellow

[clear isle]

ah alright

[random shuttle]

Orange you glad it's not bananas?

also the Show boss is called The Host. Weak. Low Aura.
Rail boys boss is called MAGLEVIATHAN. Strong. Big aura.

[clear isle]

a joke old enough it reminds me of 3rd grade lol

[clear isle]

real but Im going with the tread lightlies

I was just trying to figure out their colour to choose for my hair

[random shuttle]

Fair

Tread Lightlies are good in my eyes

because their name is like a REAL Birmy/Glasgow gang

Peaky Blinders and Tread Lightlies.

[clear isle]

yeah the name is goated

[forest escarp]

prolong their time on the ground by a ton
sounds like delicious grief potential

[dim moth]

not on scum, doesn't have as much ammo and has to land headshots, has to land headshots and doesn't do this without a gun build, not on scum, not on scum, not on scum, not on scum, has to be point blank

[clear isle]

now I just gotta do the hardest part, thinking of a funny name for it

[flat mist]

I've had like 3 people med stim me

[dim moth]

if you're going to argue about the effectiveness of a gun on a class

you should use examples that the class can actually equip

[flat mist]

Man im fucking desperate for a mod that shows which mode of needler im in

[dim moth]

the GLOWING LIGHT on the back of the gun

[flat mist]

I can't afford to look at that shit, and it's not even visible while sliding

[spark bough]

ive had 1, the rest ive just witnessed do nothing.

[maiden heart]

colour me ignorant, needler has modes? cue the laughter track

[flat mist]

Mf I'll die if I pause to look at that thing

[robust sable]

No object permanence 💔

[dim moth]

it is *GLOWING

and COLOR CODED

do you have tunnel vision?

[limber cradle]

Yeah like

[dim moth]

like the actual medical condition

[flat mist]

Bro what do you not get about it not being visible sometimes lmfao

[clear isle]

average darktide player with 6/7 wounds, as a veteran, and skipping the medicae despite getting 1700 pings and messages from teammates begging them to unseal their super-glued eyes

[flat mist]

If you swap while sliding you literally can't see it

[dim moth]

it's only nhot visible if you are sliding, and not aimed

which then guess what you probably aren't shooting something

okay just

[flat mist]

Bro this is fucking nuts

[dim moth]

this is an important question

if you are not directly looking at something

can you tell what color it is?

[flat mist]

No

[main elm]

Do damage perks scale with Needle pistol dot ? Like is it useful to put 25% carapace on it

[clear isle]

guys can we change character names later?

[dim moth]

okay so you might genuinely need to see a doctor for your eyes

because that's a medical condition

[forest escarp]

when low hp players skip an obviously working medicae i just assume they're scoreboard brained or something

[spark bough]

some people have tunnel vision when there's multiple enemies around i guess.

[toxic dagger]

kids arent watching imdb top 10 anymore?

[limber cradle]

Yeah, 50k dockets

[forest escarp]

many such cases...

[flat mist]

Dude take your meds or something

Or eat a snickers

[calm aurora]

depends on the parents

[clear isle]

alright thanks

[dim moth]

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/24435-tunnel-vision-peripheral-vision-loss

no I'm serious

[forest escarp]

red green colorblindness is surprisingly common

[tired prairie]

If you have it equipped while the dot is melting whatever it's applied to, it will work

[maiden heart]

what does secondary needle mode do, i only just hit 30 but i never thought to try. orz

[main elm]

Thx

[dim moth]

For Mk VI it causes enemies to explode and spread toxin stacks
Mk II they explode and stagger nearby enemies

[flat mist]

Does an aoe. Stagger and suppression for one mark, applies dot for the other

[woeful trellis]

i just partied up with a needle pistol scum in havoc and holy shit it's strong, the needle pistol kills fucking everything with infinite ammo and chem grenade is like 3 purg psykers in a giant aoe that lasts forever

[spark bough]

i saw an Ogryn with like.. 5 wounds once and i simply asked him why and he told me to go myself.

[severe zephyr]

is it me or the hive scum it's very glass canon

[woeful trellis]

it's like having a helbore vet that can instantly kill infinite maulers/ragers, and stimm supply lets you facetank toxin mines from ranged twin + blight spreads

[main elm]

Is it the only difference between the 2 ?

[maiden heart]

are you serious? ive never thought to try alt mode becaus im a 1 braincell andy, but thank you for the info

[uneven jungle]

That's the point

[dim moth]

yeah

[tired prairie]

They are that, yeah

[clear isle]

real, half the playerbase plays with their feet on the keyboard and their brains in the microwave

[severe zephyr]

more even that psyker? i mean they feel like a normal npc can erradicatre your thoug bar from 1 hit

[maiden heart]

is there a preferable mark for the needle gun atm?

[arctic imp]

you have those backwards

[arctic imp]

2, use 2 and only 2

[flat mist]

@dim moth the main reason I want an indicator is so I can know what mode it's on while holding my melee so I can quickswap and fire

[arctic imp]

6 does the same stuff but without the DoT spread

[flat mist]

Gotta go fast brrrrr

[maiden heart]

thank you friend, ill never forget your guidance on better drug use o7

[arctic imp]

It’s the best high you will ever know

[maiden heart]

idk, have you tried dmt. but i get u

[dim moth]

oh yeah so I do

phooey

shows how often I use the alt fire lmao

[arctic imp]

“why isn’t my mark 6 spreading toxin 😡”

[random shuttle]

did you know

that if you shoot a friendly ogryn with COVID gun

he gets sniffles?

[maiden heart]

thats SO sad

[robust sable]

The Toughness economy is fine tbh
Just gotta know which Talents to pick

[arctic imp]

Me on a friday night

[maiden heart]

shoot for the stars ahh

[severe zephyr]

oh it seems so, i'm at level 20 to be honest so it was just a first impression

[arctic imp]

They are less forgiving though. Chip damage will send you into hell a lot faster on hive scum than any other class

And that’s just chip damage.

[robust sable]

Oh absolutely, I'm not disagreeing there

[maiden heart]

idk what it is personally, but late game survivability isnt nearly as bad as levelling

[arctic imp]

If you get fully hit by a bad move, you go bye bye

[sinful matrix]

wait. You play on controller? Insane

[robust sable]

Toughness economy usually scales with enemy density and your ability to kill things

[robust sable]

Ye

[sinful matrix]

Kudos

[arctic imp]

The two toughness talents down the bottom of middle also do a lot of heavy lifting. Technically it’s just one, the 30% regen on being shot

[dim moth]

I think I am keeping blinders on over chem grenade

[sinful matrix]

This is also true.

Maintaining toughness in Havocs isn't too bad if you're not getting hit all the time because there's a bajillion things to hit back

I just find the overall lack of DR on HS somewhat annoying

One random shitstick with a gun deletes a good chunk of your toughness outta nowhere

[arctic imp]

Do you have plus stamina on your shivs

[maiden heart]

true and true, i struggled so hard levelling, but now im clutching to save 3 guys, and im still tryna level to 30. all in all, im loving the class, but ill be thankful when less players are playing HS orz

[last roost]

anything available for this class for decent carapace damage? tryna run a chainsword build ngl but not really sure what ranged weapon is available if even

[dim moth]

ye

[arctic imp]

You’re moving so quickly I can’t see what you’re doing . Almost didn’t even realize you threw a blinder

[maiden heart]

i only solo q, so its rough

[robust sable]

Needle Pistol works in a pinch!

3 shots to kill a Crusher

[sinful matrix]

Needle Pistol. The most upgrade agnostic weapon in the game

[random shuttle]

I like COVID Gun a lot

[sinful matrix]

People joke about a Gray being all you need for Aurics, but like

[last roost]

yes i love inflicting hepatitis B on my enemies

[dim moth]

I also have 3 stamina curios on

[sinful matrix]

Needle Pistol literally doesn't care if you upgrade it

[dim moth]

because I like my attack speed

[neon fern]

they didn't even bother giving needler unique blessings

[dim moth]

though +unyielding is prob better to increase tox damage

[severe zephyr]

the uzi with the combat talent feels awesome

[neat delta]

ikr

[random shuttle]

yeah but no

[maiden heart]

seems true, i should try it myself. i wonder if they'll change it in a patch

[random shuttle]

usually after shooting my needles I swap to melee

[dim moth]

is the unique nature of it highlighting some of the completely unused utility blessings not "unique"

[random shuttle]

so the dmg boost no longer applies

[neon fern]

no

[arctic imp]

It feels pretty weak in a lot of ways. I’m not one of those “oh the class sucks” people but I definitely think it’s miles weaker than arbites launch. Which isn’t technically a good thing because the most broken part about arbites launch was a bug with the dog bleed interaction

[dim moth]

I was talking about replacing +stam on my knives being replaced with unyielding

[neat delta]

I save my needles for carapace/specialists

[neon fern]

give me something cool related to the dot

[random shuttle]

Ah fair

[last roost]

you got a decent toxin build?

[dim moth]

I dunno about decent but this is what I've been using

[random shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBLEWMsBRsQ middle build here is full tox and works lovingly

[last roost]

thanks

[arctic imp]

Unyielding would do that? The tox your shivs applied or the blinder? Are you saying the tox you have applied always copies the damage modifiers your currently held weapon has?

[maiden heart]

arbites was crazy, it was the only reason i hit 35 and im quite casual ngl. didnt use dog back then if that means anything. but the shield felt so good that i could progress that far

[severe zephyr]

does anyone manage to create his own build and make it work on late game?

[last roost]

ill use the needler and inflict every known disease known to mankind on my enemies too

[neon fern]

yeah

[tired prairie]

Define „late game”

[severe zephyr]

maelstorm +`havoc

[neat delta]

near the end of the mission

oh

[sinful matrix]

I mean I make my own on every class at this point and can do maelstroms fine

I'm really only comfortable on Ogryn in havocs though

[dim moth]

yes it's a dot that's how they all work

[arctic imp]

there are things about this I would change, but I don’t know how you play. So this seems fine

[sinful matrix]

but that's just down to playing ogryn for 1500 hours or something and the other classes spent between the other 300

[neon fern]

u don't have to copy builds to play h35+ if u know what you want and how you're going to use ur picks

[maiden heart]

sars, aids, covid, mad cow, the list goes on

BUBONIC

[arctic imp]

That seems really weird to me, I didn’t know they worked that way. Imo it should only follow the weapon that applied it

[bleak turret]

Crackhead john wick is the most fun build so far

[maiden heart]

akimbo m1911 is thematically so sick

[last roost]

nah im more so leaning towards inflicting hepatitis B or HIV 🙏

[maiden heart]

ah, that long game, i see you

[severe zephyr]

is not that easy when even the game hides you tons of info about blessing and talents

[bleak turret]

I have over 500 hours and i still dont know what strength or impact do

[last roost]

yes let me completely destroy the liver of my opps even if they follow a god that gives them literal dieases 🙏

[last roost]

strength increases damage and cleave impact increases stagger i think

[sinful matrix]

I don't think Hive Scum is particularly weak, it's just that it has a very high skill floor so you need to be far more attentive than on other classes, but the power output remains fairly similar.

It's just a filter for who is and isn't good at the fundamentals of the game

[maiden heart]

thats the craziest part. our toxins fuck them up more than the god of disease

[dim moth]

strength is damage, cleave, and stagger

impact is just stagger but like...more

[bleak turret]

The Emperor provides

[frosty tendon]

Waltuh provides

[neon fern]

that's a fs problem yeah

[maiden heart]

all hail the STD messiah

[neon fern]

just read kuli guide

to inform urself better

[maiden heart]

injecting faith into ur veins

[severe zephyr]

this is really weird right

[dim moth]

oh don't worry too much about that

it's also outright wrong about some of them too

[placid gulch]

Any updates on if the right side of the tree is going to get any updates/fixes?

Chemical dependency keystone works with pretty much just desperado

[dense hollow]

come back in a month and it will

[maiden heart]

dont question it, do what wills you and you'll have salvation 😐

[placid gulch]

The middle ult isn't good to spam with low cooldown because of the downside

[dense hollow]

just like arbites left keystone

[placid gulch]

Ajd it just doesn't work with the stim ult

[arctic imp]

That’s the opposite of a good class though. You shouldn’t have to reach a skill requirement to play something, every class in the game has a way to play it that makes it a walk in the park. Hive scum? Not really. Someone earlier today said that hive scum is much less forgiving than the other classes while not being particularly remarkable in terms of damage output, so where is the tradeoff? I agree with that sentiment. Because its damage is nothing special yet it is remarkably easier to kill than the other classes

[dim moth]

terminus warrant is still mid

forceful is still the same

[tired prairie]

This is more theory than crafted, but this is what's worked for me for Desperado. Do what you want with the last point. Options:

• can skip right bottom side entirely and take Blinders instead of Chem grenades; take whatever cleave or survival enhancers you may want instead for the 2 freed points,
• stimm is preference, but either attack speed or damage trees work; cooldown is also not-so-bad, but it is mainly used to reduce downtime on your ability, and it doesn't tick while it's active, so that's something to keep in mind,
• you can also skip left keystone for the sake of the right one, but the left one is great for clearing corridors of enemies, which is what Desperado does well, and it also allows you to "tank with ranged" in melee, which is good for avoiding "stray" melee attacks in general,
• pick Hyper-Violence over Hyper Critical if you prefer so, but keep in mind this will tax you one point, since you may want to reach Pickpocket,

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a082f899-86a7-4b9a-8c58-59ca9844fa97

[dim moth]

EO is still the meta

[neon fern]

middle ult is good to spam

rampage's downside is negligible

[severe zephyr]

maybe that poison it's blessed by sister Prime hand

[dim moth]

yeah spam it faster with you 20% extra crit chance and damage resistance

[terse creek]

Putting asides the absolute trash and garbage scum players that deserve to be flame, ngl, it’s extremely fun to clutch on this class, specially when stim is up, feels like the true octane experience

[severe zephyr]

cool, but i've always have some anxiety about builds with 1 point left, am i the only one?

[dense hollow]

i think hive scum gets access to enough DR to not feel like paper on a rampage setup

[neon fern]

it gives cdr too

[arctic imp]

I agree with that

[tired prairie]

There's good options to pick. Just pick your poison

[maiden heart]

thats why i love the class, people just cant hit the level you need. so if you need to cluch yourself, and you can perform, its better than anything

[arctic imp]

I also agree with that, but rampage doesn’t make you immune. Hive scum actually is still very fragile in rampage and you have to be skillful to not get killed even then

[tired prairie]

Melee toughness replenishment up top is good; replenishing toughness on losing full toughness is an OK safety bubble

[vagrant axle]

did anyone even test this

[severe zephyr]

don't you miss to use the normal stims? i miss them a little bit specially the healthy one

[dense hollow]

it does not, but 45% DR and 10% TDR is good enough if your fundamentals are good

[maiden heart]

games are too catering towards people who cant hit the mark. sure, its counterintuitive to sales, but darktide seems to solely cater towards a consistent playerbase

[terse creek]

Yup
Upside: a stupid fun class if you like doing shit fast, incredibly satisfying if played correctly
Downside: about 90% of players who play it are somehow less useful than the Bot’s the game provides us

[dense hollow]

and also assuming you aren't running hyper critical to break your toughness regen from melee hits

[calm aurora]

meaning, the bot rezes you faster

[terse creek]

Nah, don’t need health stims if you avoid getting hit much, not hard, so worth the trade off

[arctic imp]

Depends, getting shot up on havoc renders that much resistance almost nonexistent. And I am of course looking at the game from a havoc lens

[severe zephyr]

bots are totally trash

[last roost]

wish chainsword didnt just kinda suck overall ngl 🥀

[terse creek]

And they survive longer then the avg scum player, XD

[calm aurora]

dat true

[severe zephyr]

you can try to act cool but bots are heretically horrible

[calm aurora]

I have been saved by bots, never by a bad player

[terse creek]

They are, but somehow, they are better than scum players, and as much as I wish that was me joking, sadly it ain’t

[maiden heart]

if you cant hit the mark, reevaluate and play a class that better fits your style. i think a lot of players buy a new class because "new dlc new experience", and while it is, at least in terms of darktide its requiring a base understanding of the game. feel like i gotta mention im not a vt player at all, dt is my main

[fallen coyote]

Bots literally teleport on top of you while being stunlocked by 3 pogryns and still revive you

[arctic imp]

That’s very true, I for one don’t mind not everyone playing hive scum. But the class is the most fragile of all of them. Which makes sense, fatshark themselves called them a glass cannon

[young forum]

have we decided what the best melee wep is yet

[severe zephyr]

yes probably if one of the teammates disconect

[calm aurora]

in doubt, taxe

[dense hollow]

rashad or crowbar are my choices but what do i know

[arctic imp]

Crowbar is beautiful

Nothing competes

rashad can go into the trash

[terse creek]

I just flame the bad scum players, gotta weed out the bad players, XD

It’s a tad sad to see many lack the basic fundamentals of this game since that class doubles down on them

[calm aurora]

what if I named my HVS, Gorgon Freegal

[arctic imp]

Almost nobody has the fundamentals of the game down.

[dense hollow]

there are new players that bought the class (10 dollar darktide discount and 12 dollar class) together and go into the most mechanically demanding class in the game

[maiden heart]

1000%, the amount of ppl testing the class will die off in time, its only to be expected so many new ppl are trying the class. itll get better ratings over time, but the true players dont care about a games rating, they'll play regarldess. the class is fun, high skill, and the game will keep thriving

[dense hollow]

its unfortunate but not completely their fault

[calm aurora]

which exists in excellent youtube videos since like, right after launch

[dull dagger]

I see this as a chance for the new players to learn the fundamentals

[arctic imp]

Right, perfect examples, but hard for everyone to actually mimic or do

100% of the time

[calm aurora]

from Mr E and Tanner I am sure

[arctic imp]

You must be joking

[maiden heart]

i dont even flame them. i talk shit to my partner (who doesnt play the game altho i wish she did) as a way to vent. people of all skills are gonna play the game, and we experience it most when levelling. good on them for trying, but rating it badly because you dont mesh with it is where i draw the line. the class is so sick.

[calm aurora]

that's how you learn fundamentals, then you practice

[terse creek]

I would agree if it wasn’t for the fact I see em go down the same way after I get em up, learn from your mistakes!

[last roost]

just dropped 500k on dumpstats. best i got was 66 mobility. crying

[fallen coyote]

Outside of gunker and maybe shroudfield zealot nothing comes close to the scum playstyle, so naturally the average player is going to be worse

[rough spade]

how do you keep chemical dependency above 1 stack? the stim supply doesnt add to it and with a 30/30 stim lab the cd off your own is longer than the dependency timer?

[arctic imp]

But even professionals make mistakes. You’re gonna get hit every now and then

[dull dagger]

We all learn at different speeds

[calm aurora]

I am never joking when I am talking about Mr top 1% DT player and Mr global numero uno

[neon fern]

dats me

[arctic imp]

I watched Mr.E play hive scum and it was painful

[terse creek]

Yes, but professionals do less mistakes and if it happens, it happen rarely

[calm aurora]

It is.

[fallen coyote]

But lets also not forget that the average player is stuck in heresy with tankgryn, arby etc so ofc those guys will suck on scum

[dense hollow]

you run dependency without the 4 chemical dependancies node for 90sec duration

real answer though is to just use another keystone or set your stim to even less duration

[terse creek]

I’d say damnation

[arctic imp]

After spending a year on psyker, I learned the fundamentals because I had to. Hive scum feels weaker than psyker before the toughness changes

[dense hollow]

and hope it'll be reworked into working with chem dependancy

[near vapor]

😭

[last roost]

wheres havoc arbites and hivescum armor

[arctic imp]

I see nothing wrong with this

[last roost]

[maiden heart]

true and true

[last roost]

pysker is significantly stronger trust me

[fallen coyote]

In terms of survivabilty yes, but for damage output psyker is consistent vs scum's burst

[rough spade]

am i the only one whos happy hive scum isnt arbites level OP? needs tweaks but yeah not bad

[last roost]

the most meta build on pysker can clear auric hordes in literal seconds

[terse creek]

Its balance enough to make people happy

[fallen coyote]

And scum has much less sources of toughness

[terse creek]

He has essentially 5 if we talking normal nodes

[calm aurora]

it's still the gold standard: https://youtu.be/tZBDmeMLjfQ?si=7fhiwA3f3oa7TpJ7

[last roost]

does tanner still make his horrendous darktide videos

[arctic imp]

Here is the actual truth, stim supply is believed to be broken right now. It is believed that stim supply is supposed to give you a stack of chem dependency, but for some reason it currently is not.

You can still use the stim crate in other ways, but I’d keep an eye out for the fix. I don’t use my crate to support my team, i just use it as a bomb right now

[maiden heart]

afaik, i only know him thru the memes

[neon fern]

yes of course

[dense hollow]

i am happy that the class doesnt have arby levels of toughness recovery

[neon fern]

why would he stop

[terse creek]

Since when isn’t he, XD

[neon fern]

he's number 1

[calm aurora]

he still does make videos, but that's not a video from him tho

[dull dagger]

Ooh, this exactly what I've been wanting to work on. Thanks for posting

[foggy phoenix]

What did he get wrong?

[last roost]

mostly everything

[arctic imp]

💀

[foggy phoenix]

Any specific examples?

[arctic imp]

Are you him

[rough spade]

hes very polarising, i get he's amazing but his attitudse is that of a neckbeard

[maiden heart]

hey tanner

[foggy phoenix]

No. I'm asking to know. I watch him.

[calm aurora]

Actually, Tanner makes the effort to try demonstrate stuff in his video, so that's still better than only having an opinion, being wrong and pass that as truth

[arctic imp]

Use stim crate as a bomb

I implore you

7 stacks of chem is excellent drug

[dense hollow]

you could try to use stim box without the custom stim since street stims are super strong but you'd need to get over the fear of "wasting resources" so you actually use them instead of hoarding a stim all game

[last roost]

hes good at the game just his takes on builds is fucking dogshit

[foggy phoenix]

Him demonstrating things is what convinces me of his arguments.

[sudden jolt]

I don't watch him and I still don't know what his deal is

[terse creek]

Problem is, he has some of the worst takes and opinions I’ve ever seen

[arctic imp]

That’s just very gimmicky though. You can’t guarantee that you’ll find stims consistently

[last roost]

if i demonstrated the tanner knife vs an actual proper build the difference would be night and day

[foggy phoenix]

I'd be more than willing to reject his takes if someone demonstrates how his takes are wrong.

[calm aurora]

He's the Marjorie Taylor Green of Darktide

Like a broken clock

[sudden jolt]

I find most darktide commentators annoying in general

[dense hollow]

yes, you are running around without an ability effectively most of the time while using street stims

[arctic imp]

there’s a lot of ego. Which I sort of get but like… it’s PvE

[foggy phoenix]

From what I understand, he has an insufferable personality, but at least demonstrates whatever argument he's making a point on.

[neat delta]

level 30

finally.

[arctic imp]

another oversight by fatshark, hopefully they fix that and make regular stims more common.

[last roost]

doesnt mean its a good argument lmao

[foggy phoenix]

I'd be curious to see what it'd look like.

[tepid cosmos]

honestly even with no talents using the enemy i used for my comparison (auric reaper) every weapon broker has available will kill the enemy in faster or similar time to you apply the needles and waiting for the dot to kill him. Now the needle pistol can be alot of safer at doing this based on how you play it and has higher mileage than alot of brokers weapons on things like carapace and can potentially be alot safer but still really isnt crazily overtuned when compared to other weapons

sorry for late reply was in game

[arctic imp]

It’s okay Stein, I liked Mr. E until I realized how wrong he was

[foggy phoenix]

Frankly, I'd believe what I see with my own eyes. Talk is cheap, and demonstrating how someone is right or wrong is the best way to make a point.

[dense hollow]

they're only common when nobody can pick it up

and rare when you need them

[arctic imp]

LITERALLY

[foggy phoenix]

I take all the darktide ccs with a grain of salt, because I know I have nowhere near the amount of experience as they do, or what conditions they literally play with.

[terse creek]

Insufferable 100%, man can’t take smack, I know the only reason he hates this discord server is cause people clown on him for being a clown

[arctic imp]

do you know how many stims i find now. Constant. And nobody picks them up and I CANT

[foggy phoenix]

For all we know, all their takes may only be valid on the presumption that they're supported with a team built specifically for those conditions.

[dense hollow]

too many

[arctic imp]

Mr. E usually says

[foggy phoenix]

Only regular darktide content creator that isn't sponsored by fatshark btw
I WONDER WHY

[arctic imp]

I like watching him still but I take what he says with a grain of salt, because I myself have proved a lot of his opinions to be invalid in my own testing

[main elm]

In my experience people on this discord hates DarkTide youtubers, especially « popular » ones, they say they’re wrong on everything etc… you shouldn’t sweat it

[zenith fern]

Hmm not enough views yet

[terse creek]

And it’s gonna stay that way for prob the rest of the game’s lifespan, as it should be

[foggy phoenix]

He seems to have about similar viewcounts, from what I see. Issue is that most of his content is him talking about something in the psykhanium with the creature spawner mod, with the occasional havoc 40 gameplay clip.

[arctic imp]

They typically are wrong though. If a whole community generally agrees on that and will show you proof why that youtuber is wrong it’s hard to disagree.

[foggy phoenix]

I'll believe what can be demonstrated and replicated, than words.

[dull dagger]

Chocob is popular

[foggy phoenix]

Gotta approach meta talk all sciene-like

[foggy phoenix]

So is Mr. Unc

[rough spade]

honestly this discord is the only darktide content i consume. It's the same with all warhammer i find. SM2, youtubers, reddit etc 90% of it is just garbage. Yet the diorect faction or game discords are where the non idiotic 10% are

[foggy phoenix]

The gameplay-only vids with minimal talk, if at all are great.

[main elm]

Yes probably but this Discord also hate Reddit, Gamelantern, well everything that is not this Discord. Which is pretty funny btw because some of the builds I see recommanded here are usually builds I see verbatim on Gamelantern

[foggy phoenix]

The ones with opinions though

Polarizing.

[noble latch]

i hate tanner and will until he apologies to me

[foggy phoenix]

The only other category of cc I enjoy is l Frip Frop and his lore(?) videos.

[arctic imp]

Very true, I love reddit though. Minus people saying things they seem to just not understand much about, I saw a lot of misconceptions about a bunch of different hive scum stuff

[main elm]

I don’t know. If you say so I guess

[terse creek]

Almost everyone hates him bud

[robust sable]

2 Hive Scum and an Ogryn in my lobby.
All go down and all overextend and all just... don't perform.
They all leave after I eventually reach them and rescue them all.

Why do people do this?

[sudden jolt]

Jsat is the only cc I've been able to tolerate, enjoy even but he's been out of the game for a while now

[zenith fern]

Bleak darktide

[arctic imp]

They wanted you to perform for them and you weren’t so they got mad they weren’t getting carried harder

[terse creek]

Because some people are absolute hot garbage in the game. Were I you, I’d flame the shit out of all 3 of them

[near vapor]

ChocoB

[arctic imp]

What if they flame you hondo

[random shuttle]

It's very important to always tell other players in your matches that they are Shit, and Hot Garbage

especially after you die

or get trapped

[main elm]

Exactly

[dull dagger]

I don't flame anyone, even if they are garbage. People generally get better over time

[near vapor]

did he move on?

[foggy phoenix]

My only gripe with Mr. Unc is that I keep seeing so much zealot knife that it doesn't have the kind of variety ChocoB has

[arctic imp]

Well if they were better I wouldn’t have died

[kind zodiac]

Ya know something I reckon it be awesome if our rejects were able to get cybernetic enhancements that had gameplay effects

[robust sable]

I fought through multiple waves of enemies; Crushers, Bulwarks, Flamers, Bombers, Trappers, Mutants, Shotgunners, Gunners, Scab Ragers, Poxies, etc.
It was on HiSTG, so I ended up with about 899k damage by the time I reached them.

And they just

left

[main elm]

Flashbacks of your 0/8/2 LoL teamate calling everyone trash 🙏

[foggy phoenix]

Fork over your wallet. Those are premium cosmetics

[near vapor]

Telopots used to upload gameplay videos too until he stopped afaik

[terse creek]

Oh I don’t mind it, plus I know they will take it more personal since they are being call out for being a bad player

[eternal ibex]

what the hell is +15 Sprint Dodge Angle

[toxic dagger]

Combine00, epiccole, vamp, Reginald

[rotund atlas]

I've seen someone on reddit go on a long rant about how the crowbar is bad, but I've been using it for a while and it's pretty awesome

[terse creek]

It’s exactly what it says bud…..

[sudden jolt]

He's hovering around a bit but I don't think the technical level of darktide really scratched him the same way as the rat games did

[toxic dagger]

My recs for someone who enjoyed jsat

[eternal ibex]

which is what

[foggy phoenix]

Ryken is fine, too.

[calm aurora]

He has been blacklisted since an incident with one the CM

[kind zodiac]

No no no no I don’t mean cosmetics ya dummy I mean like going through surgery to augment our reject

[toxic dagger]

Though he's impossible to replace since jsat is an actual professor irl and is didactically unmatched

[terse creek]

It’s a dodge angle increase for sprinting, can you not read or?

[foggy phoenix]

Ooooo
Drama?
Please gib details

[terse creek]

It’s there on the name “+15 sprint dodge angle”

[calm aurora]

Does he still play? oO

[toxic dagger]

The ones I named are all skilled and knowledgeable and unproblematic so they have good gameplay at least

[toxic dagger]

Haven't seen him around in a hot minute.

[eternal ibex]

so you can dodge slightly
more diagnol? trash perk

[calm aurora]

Crab was also very good

[toxic dagger]

He was very active during Ogryn rework at least

[robust sable]

It adds 15 degrees to the angle at which you automatically dodge attacks while sprinting; Fireant's image is a helpful visualisation of the base angle.

[eternal ibex]

theres a whole graph to explain it so its obviously written badly now calm down

[toxic dagger]

Yeah crab is the goat but busy with other things

[calm aurora]

And he's a former nuclear engineer

[random shuttle]

Not trash because its not just angle

its also giving you permission to do it when out of stam

lovely stuff

[terse creek]

You called it trash you clearly don’t know much of the game, wild, XD

[robust sable]

Sprint dodge angle increase is what gives you leeway to just press buttons like a maniac.

[last roost]

what mod causes for you to spam the blackout grenades

[sudden jolt]

I generally like non commentators like those, but Regi did rub me the wrong way with a few of his takes

[foggy phoenix]

Don't need additional sprint angle when you can just sprint slide the entire way

[last roost]

is it guarantee weapon swap?

[toxic dagger]

I'm not saying he's always right but he's good people

[calm aurora]

that's not the point of the talent

[toxic dagger]

And surrounds himself with smart players

[hot moth]

the other thing it does is give you the immunity/dodge at 0 stamina

means you on't get blindsided by a lot of stuff

[kind zodiac]

I don’t understand why people rely on mods

[near vapor]

shame cuz I think DT is even more technically complicated than VT2

[hot moth]

ultimately you pic it up because it's in your path, not because you want it, but it's noticeable

[calm aurora]

you forgot Khan in the list

[toxic dagger]

Not familiar with him myself

[random shuttle]

Because FS is famous for making amazing combat loops and terrible UI / UX

[foggy phoenix]

With how fast scum regens stamina, you can literally keep sprint sliding towards a gunner blasting you at full auto from across the room.

[toxic dagger]

Real

[kind zodiac]

Ahhh I see

[rotund atlas]

this may be the first time ever someone dies from fall damage in this game

[kind zodiac]

Wasn’t there some idiot named dreamer who got banned

[foggy phoenix]

It's kind of funny how with other classes you eventually slow down with with sprint slides because they accelerate relatively slowly

[random shuttle]

like 70% of my mods are all UI/UX QoL stuff

Can't even imagine playign without Numeric UI

[near vapor]

FS doesnt understand that

[foggy phoenix]

But with scum you can literally just slide towards a gunner and not get hit

[near vapor]

running around a hub area just to do things

[terse creek]

Noob behavior at its finest

[near vapor]

isnt enjoyable gameplay

[tender marten]

Me standing in place farming my Desperado aura

[forest escarp]

oh
i thought it was causing crashes so i have it disabled at the moment

[rotund atlas]

I think it's pretty understandable one forgets fall damage is in this game lol

[neat delta]

looking at the shitty running animation

[toxic dagger]

I died this exact way the other day

Except I was holding the battery

[foggy phoenix]

Cries in dependency/adrenaline

[rotund atlas]

Rip lol

[rotund atlas]

bouncy

[foggy phoenix]

Oh wait, I'm stupid, desp isn't a keystone, and I was thinking of vulture.

[toxic dagger]

Well, I didn't die. I went down. It was somewhat calculated since getting the battery downstairs was more important. I should've just thrown it though

[sudden jolt]

Personally think the environmental design and armor class homogeny got a bit too streamlined as the game developed

[kind zodiac]

ya know something got me thinking why doesn’t the dual auto pistols or ebony and ivory have the stripped down perk on them

[random shuttle]

Because if you stripped them down even more you'd just have a few pieces of metal

[hot moth]

throw bullets at them

[kind zodiac]

Hahaha

[terse creek]

This games needs a Kerillian personality desperately

[near vapor]

its the limitations imposed by the setting

[near vapor]

though I do believe, with the limitations in place. They still churn out some fine maps and designs

[tender forge]

cuts to munda

[near vapor]

Consignment Yard my beloved

[near vapor]

Female Maul

[tired prairie]

This is an odd way of spelling „Loner Psyker” personality /j

Male especially

[kind zodiac]

Seriously those the dual auto pistols or the dual stub pistols probably just me but I reckon it’s something that would go quite well with those 2 weapons the stripped down blessing

[sudden jolt]

Yea I can get that for map design, and trenches is definitely a refreshing take on the setting

[foggy phoenix]

I yearn for the sassiness.

[tender forge]

done need it tbh

[random shuttle]

Step 1: Hive
Step 2: Scum

[spice cloud]

the elf is horizontal

[kind zodiac]

What you mean?

[near vapor]

get good at uh

[terse creek]

I would agree but I think the maul is not as a natural asshole as Kerillian

[tender forge]

you get so much stam regen

[near vapor]

not taking toughness damage

[tender forge]

and if you are using the autopistols

you are likely using desperado