hivescum-class

[arctic imp]

I tried bonesaw while leveling and I can’t go back to it

[drifting heron]

Holy shit please take the time to set your recording window up correctly

[limber cradle]

I didnt want my crit chance for dodging tyvm

[arctic imp]

Hey I understood what was happening

[thorny ginkgo]

lmfaooo my bad, i gotta set it up

[shadow umbra]

i hate that i feel so tempted to use shivs with my desperado build

[drifting heron]

Yeah so can i

But like

[arctic imp]

I like it I like it a lot

[shadow umbra]

because shivs lowkey are just the dueling sword with horde clear

[woeful hill]

Man, this statement hurts me

[limber cradle]

Yeah, couldn't be a knife equivalent, surely

[thorny ginkgo]

same now i have to see it in a match

[drifting heron]

Shivs are just dual daggers

[rare idol]

It’d definitely be terrible to use the fast light weapon on your despacito build because

[woeful hill]

Back when I was a newbie, I spent my 1st 1000 levels on psyker playing melee only with ds

[arctic imp]

shivs are fine 😡 leave them alone

[woeful hill]

Good old days

[drifting heron]

And everything dual daggers were plus dot sniping

[rare idol]

And complaining zel was bad

[fast gust]

Shivs have multiple differences...like been harder to aim on your h2

[woeful hill]

Whuh

[shadow umbra]

HARDER TO AIM!?

[arctic imp]

Crowbar has what shivs do not which is stagger and good impact. Crowbar is a much safer weapon in every way, it also gives you a ton of stamina for whatever reason

[shadow umbra]

ITS JUST A STAB!!!!!

AAAAAAAAAA

[fast gust]

Yes.

[frigid basalt]

what other guns are fun for desperado?

[arctic imp]

But shivs do have really good dodge….. which… does feel very broken

[shadow umbra]

Anything that sprays bullets

[thorny ginkgo]

yup its an all arounder

[frigid basalt]

So far it feels like only the mac10s and maybe the vraks infrantry are much fun with it

[fast gust]

Boomstick

[arctic imp]

those shivs let you fly though

Literally fly

[frigid basalt]

and honestly even the vraks is kinda mid because of the hipfire spread

[thorny ginkgo]

im going to use ainz setup with the shivs

that video is crazy

[shadow umbra]

I use the duel stubs

[frigid basalt]

Mac10

[shadow umbra]

Does good horde clear with better single target damage

[shadow umbra]

stubs

[frigid basalt]

mac10

[shadow umbra]

not autopistols

stubs

[frigid basalt]

oooooh

m1911

[shadow umbra]

yes

[frigid basalt]

I kinda hate them for desperado

[shadow umbra]

stubs

[frigid basalt]

low magsize results in constant reloading

I wish they had a blessing for returning a bullet to the mag or something

[shadow umbra]

i love'em, they actually put in a lot of work

[arctic imp]

Their individual damage feels good, but I agree. The autopistol uzi’s feel immensely better for desperado

[thorny ginkgo]

hey @arctic imp for the crowbar, would it be better to use the secondary mode for hordes of elites?

[drifting heron]

Speedload

Just run speedload

[shadow umbra]

i feel it do better with them than the dual mac

[frigid basalt]

I'm running both run and gun and speedload on them

[shadow umbra]

speedload kinda isnt needed on the stubs in my experience

[arctic imp]

I’d use the regular mode for hordes, and when they fall over from the stagger you can pick at them. Unfortunately though, hive scum isn’t arbites so fighting walls of armor like that is inherently dangerous and Idk if I would do it without rampage being on

[shadow umbra]

they have a decently quick reload

[thorny ginkgo]

kk

[hallow osprey]

I have gotten better at scum and will now probably bitch less

[spark bough]

HS and Devil Claw makes for amusing times.

[shadow umbra]

i feel they've been forgetten because of the saw

cuz well

saw is pretty good

[radiant garden]

doe the brutal bludgeons penance require a fully filled stim?

[shadow umbra]

usually you just need to go 3 nodes deep into a tree for it

[hallow osprey]

The indicator for your stimm being available again needs to be a bit more visible

[spark bough]

i like the Saw but the attack pattern isnt the best for me personally, its also just hilarious smacking and then parry a Crusher overhead and watch it fall over and die.

[fast gust]

Or be a small buff box

Currently it's barely visible at a glance

[limber cradle]

What weapon do you guys think is most optimal to farm brutal bludgeons?

[hallow osprey]

itty bitty and the bar is the same color as the damn HUD

[limber cradle]

Shivs feel like its a one at a time thing

[granite panther]

Just go Speedloader and take those blessings that get those free mag refills

[azure mist]

@woeful hill

He go to beach

to play sand

[frigid basalt]

oh, also speedload's duration is so insanely short

[woeful hill]

Go beach to play sand

[sacred eagle]

Anyone try stimm supply without taking the scum Stimm?

[woeful hill]

Casting a spell on me bro

[hallow osprey]

I got silly Tread Lightlies helmet :)

[frigid basalt]

basically requires that you magdump so it feels less "precision" when I use it on the pistols and more just like slower autostubbers

[thorny ginkgo]

better video@arctic imp

[hallow osprey]

sexcellent

[patent bone]

What did you do to your crowbar for that??

[patent bone]

AWESOME!! Did they replace the purple on the arm for the torso?

[hallow osprey]

Not yet :|

Looks bad

[flat mist]

stim + rampage

[patent bone]

https://tenor.com/view/son-of-a-bitch-chris-farley-saturday-night-live-god-damn-it-aw-come-one-gif-18069882

[bronze glade]

yeah that looks pretty standard for rampage

[thorny ginkgo]

might be even better on rashad

[patent bone]

Thank ye!

[bronze glade]

rashad can 3 shot crushers on rampage

quite silly

[thorny ginkgo]

so crazy

its funny because i only used rashad one time on a random class low level and never touched it again

[patent bone]

Makes a Rampage Hive Scum for melee

[thorny ginkgo]

lmaooo

wanna see my build

[patent bone]

It does honestly. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?¿

[patent bone]

Sure!

[thorny ginkgo]

one secc

[bronze glade]

rashad is godly tho

[thorny ginkgo]

i just found that out

[fast gust]

Remove the shitty water cartel purple offmy tread

[patent bone]

BRO FOR REAL!!!

https://tenor.com/view/stepbrothers-hose-gif-20871115

[azure mist]

Rashad is pretty fucked

[azure mist]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lDuL0Yhdghsyr720k?invite=cr-MSx4V0gsMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=47

[thorny ginkgo]

this is what im running in the clip i sent, you dont have to take the CDR stim tree though

[broken moss]

what factor controls the damage of needle pistol?

the tox specifically

[arctic imp]

It may be wise to spam light attacks to accrue more stacks. For instance, If it were a boss, you would spam a few secondary lights first to accrue higher amounts of brittleness stacks. So if this was rot for instance or a blue stimmed goofball, things that really take awhile to kill, I’d spam lights into my target first. This results in less time to kill in the end. The heavies take longer to throw out but the lights come out so fast that they result in the same damage but more stacks. Useful for bigger boys

[azure mist]

DOT

[patent bone]

Looks good!! Thanks!!

[thorny ginkgo]

oh thats sick

[azure mist]

its specifically DOT procs from the needle and it gives 6 per shot

stacks up to 30 max

of Chem Tox

[thorny ginkgo]

thank you i appreicate you sm

[flat mist]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/zmaQ8r

[broken moss]

yes but what controls the strength of the dot?

[flat mist]

everything is broken with rampage + stim

[thorny ginkgo]

i hope they dont touch rampage smh

[arctic imp]

yes but there’s always ways to do more damage. Min max silly shitty

[patent bone]

Only thing I want FatShark to change is the Cartel Pride for the Tread Lightlies from Purple to Blue

[flat mist]

yeah. nothing on my taxe then affected crushers

[azure mist]

More stacks = More Damage

its practically the same as every DOT where it'll ramp up

Pretty sure Kuli has a guide on how Chem Tox actually fully ramps

[broken moss]

perhaps im not explaining well

the dot ticks for a specific damage figure per stack

how do you increase that number?

is it tied to the level of the gun? some node in the tree?

[azure mist]

Oh those are effected by outside sources like Talents that increase damage as well

Example the Dodge = Close Range damage

if you stay near them it'll ramp up the DOT damage even more

[thorny ginkgo]

@patent bone i think my build is inspired by 3 popular builds, i tweaked like 3 talents

[broken moss]

i thought ranged damage had no affect on it

[azure mist]

I wouldn't be surprised if Rending also effects it

[thorny ginkgo]

and some other stuff but its all the same

[arctic imp]

It’ll ramp up even though it’s technically not ranged damage?

[azure mist]

Raw Damage

[dense hollow]

the damage perks on the gun you're holding affect the tox damage

[azure mist]

should probably stress that my bad

[dense hollow]

same with rending

and strength

[broken moss]

there are none

[arctic imp]

Perks* not blessings

[dense hollow]

+25% dmg vs armor type

25% dmg vs carapace etc

[arctic imp]

Yes

[thorny ginkgo]

ur right spamming light attacks is faster @arctic imp

[azure mist]

Tox Mania theoretically should ramp it up also even though thats kind of a no brainer

[arctic imp]

Not entirely light attacks. I timed it and the fastest is starting out with a few lights and finishing with a heavy.

[broken moss]

so i can run a level 100 needler and its going to do the same as a 500 needler with the same loadout?

[thorny ginkgo]

gotcha

[broken moss]

doesnt sound right

[patent bone]

I like using Coles ranged build and the Cracked John Wick build. I changed to add the stimm resupply

[azure mist]

Ironically enough yes, I witnessed pre-release needler like the day before and it was shredding Crushers cause of the DOT

Chem Tox is just a fucked DOT

[thorny ginkgo]

i want to try either one of those, im just having sm fun with rampage i didnt try a gun build yet

[broken moss]

the issue im having is that in auric, it doesnt seem to be doing great boss damage

my guns like 300 or something. but i dont see any clear way to increase that

[patent bone]

@fast gust @hallow osprey

THEY SAW!! I think

[fast gust]

[arctic imp]

But the needler is very strong. Because it stacks chem tox faster than anything else in the game. So while it may seem silly that a low level needler does the same damage, a higher level one will still give you more utility AND more damage too because low level needlers won’t have two maxed 25% dmg perks

[abstract inlet]

HOLY SHIT

[patent bone]

I just hope this Julia brings it up. I do NOT want to install mods

[arctic imp]

It does amazing boss damage. Put unyielding 25% on it and spam it into a boss.

[fast gust]

I will install them for you and Wessex wristy twisty drag jpeg accel chamber ftp waterfall underhand kick into your pc

[azure mist]

@broken moss Also Kuli's Breakdown on the DOT effect if you're curious about it

[versed spruce]

Does Regained Posture synergize with Sprint Dodges?

Assuming not

[main wagon]

What happened?

[patent bone]

I have the mods, just hope they make it official

[calm aurora]

This is how I chop onions too

[patent bone]

So the Cartel Proud cosmetic for the Tread Lightlies (The blue gang) has a purple arm wrap instead of Blue to fit the gangs color. I made a post on forums and FatsharkJulia saw it. So HOPEFULLY it gets fixed

[azure mist]

Rashad for the millionth time

proving yet again

[main wagon]

Shhhh no I like it because the water cartel cosmetics are fucking garbage

[azure mist]

its meta on a human class

[dense hollow]

the sky is blue..

[thorny ginkgo]

hey what perks and blessings are you running on the rashad?

[azure mist]

literally

[patent bone]

Don't spread it to the Tread Lightlies!!

[azure mist]

Sky is blue take

LMAO

[patent bone]

LADY STEEL DEMANDS IT

[arctic imp]

Are you expecting the boss damage to be like zealot Martyr?

It’s still a DOT even if the damage is a lot per second, but that means after you spam max stacks into the boss, you switch to melee—reproccing your stacks on the boss every now and again so it stays full

[azure mist]

Same thing Vet runs cause they're similar

Which is Headtaker + Bromentum

Cara + Unarmored

[thorny ginkgo]

apprecaite it

[main wagon]

Lady Steel needs to share her hazard paint

[patent bone]

NEVER

YOU HAVE YOUR OWN

[main wagon]

Nah you know what the worst part is too?

[patent bone]

What dat?

[main wagon]

You have different designs on each respective arm guard

We just have the same on both

[rustic lava]

So damage modifiers do affect its dot

[arctic imp]

What are you called again? A light treader? Treader of nightlies? Something like that?

[main wagon]

The water cartel stuff is so ass it’s not even funny but at least I can steal your pants

[thorny ginkgo]

consecrate before empowering always right

[patent bone]

How's your turf looking? Because I had to save it FOR your dumbass Host ten times now

[limber cradle]

Tbh the water cartel stuff is my favorite

My least is probably whoever has the actual hazard stripes

[patent bone]

Oh you can use our pants.
SPREAD THE BLUE!!!

[main wagon]

u be nice to the treadies

[thorny ginkgo]

who's talking shi about the cartel drip??

[limber cradle]

Imagine not liking purple and silver

[patent bone]

Slaanesh Hedonite

[main wagon]

The pants are like the only redeeming part

[calm aurora]

Hmmm but what about an antax, max cleave on talents and push attacks.

[thorny ginkgo]

lmfao

[thorny ginkgo]

i agree, they're fire

[outer cobalt]

Me
there are exactly 2 SHIRTS, and one is premium currency

[limber cradle]

I love it

[thorny ginkgo]

i find the deluxe cosmetics underwhelming idk why

[azure mist]

Epic_Cole is typing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414880778441199626/1443524874088747008/fuckyouslenderman.gif

[main wagon]

This on both arms ain’t shit compared to the hazard paint and Inquisition symbol

[novel oracle]

2nd clutch of the game after we had a leaver in fucking havoc
and a mutant appears out of thin air
0 sound till hes right next to me

[main wagon]

Not sure if it has the palm logo but I assume they all do

[azure mist]

Tread Lightly propaganda?

[main wagon]

Nice detail I noticed while spinning my soup can

[azure mist]

in this chat of all places

[tight hinge]

leaver ate the ration

[patent bone]

What's wrong with the Tread Lightlies?

[azure mist]

Least liked of them thats why

[patent bone]

https://tenor.com/view/jasontodd-redhood-joker-crowbar-beat-gif-19560767

[main wagon]

I say it as a cartel ganger

‘Scuse me a moment

[leans out window]

FUCK THE SHOW

[azure mist]

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-keep-the-rent-low-in-my-neighbourhoo-chief-keef-gif-5043739507113617112

[hallow osprey]

Tread :)

[arctic imp]

Yes. I just tested it and the 25% modifier from perks increases the DoT

[sacred eagle]

You hate us cause you ain't us.

[rustic lava]

Hmm good to know

[novel quest]

what's the dump stat on Heavy Sword?

[fast gust]

Def

[novel quest]

kk

[patent bone]

Treaders be Treadin

[arctic imp]

it’s pretty good increases too.

Keep in mind that crits apply more stacks than regular hits.

[azure mist]

I've seen Cleave with Deathblow but like

any other reason its Def

[patent bone]

Although, with all said and done... I like this

[winter tusk]

I love having a mode where you get penalized for losing, mixed with sketchy audio that can just fuck you over

https://tenor.com/view/fml-sylvester-cat-annoyed-headbang-gif-5029611311729714707

[arctic imp]

I see a man’s chest, I fall in love

[novel oracle]

im literally making a collection to send to the devs

[patent bone]

Should show more honestly

Like remove the center piece

[rustic lava]

I've noticed headshots also apply more even on enemies like maulers and plasma gunners where their head isn't the weak spot

[azure mist]

I lack the willpower to do this aka this image

[arctic imp]

Weak spot critical hits do apply more

[fringe marten]

i really wanna try out the bonesaw today i think

[frigid adder]

Yeah I hat bursters and mutie on this patch. Half the tiem pushing a burster doesn't do anything or I get hit anyways despite back dodging right afterwards

[steep vale]

just had some randoms WATCH ME BLEED OUT

[azure mist]

Classic

[steep vale]

literally just look at me

[arctic imp]

The head is still the weak spot? Even though it’s carapace I thought it still was

[steep vale]

absolutly nothing

[fast gust]

Busters are full of stims

[rustic lava]

Doesn't need to be a crit but crit weak spot does apply the most

[steep vale]

no ads around

[arctic imp]

Right

[azure mist]

Bursters ignoring pushes also

love to see it

[arctic imp]

Also their range seems increased?

[winter tusk]

I had a burster sound like it was 3 rooms away with echo, but it was standing in a doorway looking at me

[thorny ginkgo]

rashad might be the better option for rampage over crowbar, idkkk @arctic imp

[rustic lava]

Technically but most weapons will not get enough weak spot bonuses to make it worth targeting

[thorny ginkgo]

my axe isnt even maxed out yet and is shredding

[azure mist]

@novel oracle Also the Vigilants had ammo removed by about 10%ish?

In reserve

im not even too sure if this was intentional or just another incident of le bug le happening

[arctic imp]

But.. but crowbar 😡 I won’t tolerate unique weapon slander

[thorny ginkgo]

oh noo im not slandering, i prefer crowbar but rashad might have it beat a little

i llike crowbar more though

[dense hollow]

didnt that happen back when the vigilants had their values tweaked around the same time the talent reworks happened to vet, psyker and zealot?

[smoky hatch]

anyone here up to help me with a Zealot penance? just need (at least) one person to run a private match for Just a Flesh Wound

[arctic imp]

I bet it does 😔 it’s arbites unique shotguns being outmatched all over again

[thorny ginkgo]

yup smh, i love this game though

[novel quest]

me

[thorny ginkgo]

if i picked it up when it came out i'd have 1000+ hours

[azure mist]

Yeah but that was all weapons suffering from an ammo reserve bug

Supposedly

[frigid adder]

My only complaint about crowbar is as a left click spammer the animation lock makes me feel bad

[dense hollow]

oh

[near haven]

Anybody found a mod or something that makes a stimm going off cooldown more noticable?

[thorny ginkgo]

yea but its like the only one afaik

[azure mist]

Idk I just instantly noticed the Agri Vigil went from 288 to 244 in reserve

[zenith fern]

fuck teammates

plays with randoms still

[azure mist]

And Column Vigil went from 414 to 378

[thorny ginkgo]

it shows the cooldown next to the icon

[azure mist]

Why do I know this, I play them too much that’s why

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-darktide-darktide-gif-3837205933150604742

[warped quiver]

Poor Sloppy-Rob

[near haven]

Maybe with numeric UI, but that one hasn't been updated yet I think

[winter tusk]

splat

[dense hollow]

@azure mist didnt seem to be from a bug from this devnote

[zenith fern]

Theres a temp fix for numeric ui

[near haven]

Still, I would like a sound queue to let me know when the stimm is available

[winter tusk]

ima just wait a couple days for most mods tbh

they might have more hotfixes in the pipe anyway

[fast gust]

Or any timer visible at a glance over the grey on fadeout bullcrap we have currently

[thorny ginkgo]

same

[near haven]

That's really nice, can you move the timer around with Custom hud do you know?

[azure mist]

Was this recent

[dense hollow]

nah this was bound by duty

so probably not what you're talking about

[thorny ginkgo]

umm not sure, its the most updated stimm cooldown timer mod on nexus though. i need to make a customhud

[winter tusk]

honestly they need to make the visual refill on the stim much more obvious, that shits hard to see sometimes

[thorny ginkgo]

guys does anyone know if the scoreboard mod works? it works for me but causes crashes

[azure mist]

Yeah Bound by Duty it was bugged and way worse

[arctic imp]

Pulverizing strikes at max stacks allows you to two tap a crusher with no buildup, no stim with crowbar. That’s pretty nice considering that’s easy to attain in an actual game

[winter tusk]

scoreboard had some fix apparently, but they just did another hotfix so who knows if its broken again, ive just had mine off

it was one of the main things crashing me

[azure mist]

Right now it’s like mildly annoying cause you’re only missing out in 1 Reserve mag or 1.5 of one

[zenith fern]

you get to see the cool poses now

[azure mist]

Admittedly it’s semi noticeable on Agri

Columnus not so much

[thorny ginkgo]

good to know

[arctic imp]

It’s an actually gorgeous node. The cleave I may not notice

[winter tusk]

what if i just spam space anyway though and i never see it

thats what i usually do lol

[flat mist]

There's a patch for numeric ui on the darktide modders discord pinned in the bugs channel

[warped quiver]

Can opener makes it easy enough without any requirements.

[steep vale]

this felt nice

[azure mist]

Press button to instantly delete all carapace armor the blessing

[thorny ginkgo]

i have it but didnt even know it does that

[near haven]

Ty for info, it's so strange to play without it

[zenith fern]

for the fact the hook heavies deal two hits just makes it hilarious

[warped quiver]

Crowbar alt feels broken, it also destroys the rage labs in one hit.

[arctic imp]

Yeah the increased melee power is what you really want. I love that they made rampage and desperado maintainable, as long as there’s things to kill you can keep the abilities going for awhile

[thorny ginkgo]

it is nuts

[hot moth]

okay, this is a legit build

[warped quiver]

Crowbar has been so much fun.

[hot moth]

zarona shotgun special attack spam

[thorny ginkgo]

im scared to give up crowbar for rashad

[hot moth]

because of pickpocket you have the ammo to keep it up

[warped quiver]

Why would you?

[hot moth]

and you have a stim that gives you reload speed

[young herald]

so how the hell are you supposed to actually get this achievement?

[thorny ginkgo]

never really used it, but everyone says its amazing so fck it im going to max it out

i got a good roll after buying 10 axes

[torpid cloud]

I actually never messed with thotguns in this game
Ever

[near haven]

Get hit in purpose and stimm

[zenith fern]

Gonna need to try crowbar after level 30

been using shivs double dot build the most

[thorny ginkgo]

it's an excellent all around melee weapon. crowd control all of that

[young herald]

is it coherency regen while stim is active? Taking the toughness generation node in the stim itself? What is that number counting?

[reef skiff]

chat can someone tell me what the brittleness coating on the Bone saw does exactly

[near haven]

Only 2 last nodes that actually give toughness

[torpid cloud]

Gives stacks of brittle to what you hit
Kind of like rending
You just deal more damage to armor

On each successive hit

[reef skiff]

sick

thanks

[torpid cloud]

Grug know some things

[reef skiff]

grug is smart

[torpid cloud]

For hard queestion refer to little ones

The have better brain meat

[near haven]

If it's brittleness then it's even better then I thought

[broken moss]

i think the shivs specifically just dont push well

[torpid cloud]

I just kind of assumed it's brittleness

[reef skiff]

i had an Ogryn on my team a while back named Groob and he constantly typed in chat like "Groob needs heals!! heal Groob!!"

[torpid cloud]

Being an ogryn main is a mindset

[broken moss]

ogryn mains love playing dumb

[torpid cloud]

My scum is named OlManGrug and YOU KNOW IT'S THE ANARCHIST

He's funny

I likes him

[young herald]

bursters are kinda beyond fucked in this patch. That said, there's a mechanic where the person bursters and dogs are targeting gets significantly more range for pushing them out of their leaps, and so if the burster is targeting someone other than you, you gotta be way closer than you might think to be able to successfully push it

[echo python]

I haven't tried it yet, but I'm guessing a potential strat is to grab the toughness regen on taking ranged toughness damage, then deliberately letting ranged enemies hit you while the stimm is active

[sturdy linden]

just took my lv 28 scummer into auric, playing Desperado for the first time since lv 10... I gotta say man, if I can clutch twice in such a scenario, then people bitching this class is meh have no leg to stand on

[young herald]

been doing that, since I was had enough talent points to get it, and that's all the progress I've made, so I doubt that's it

[young herald]

desperado is so stupid

[sturdy linden]

istg

[arctic imp]

Is hive city brawler not currently working?

[torpid cloud]

Not even 30 and in auric

Man
I suck

[thorny ginkgo]

crowbar outperforms rashad on crushers but rashad is better overall, from what i've just done

[arctic imp]

What blessings are you using on the axe?

[sturdy linden]

I am really average / below average imma be real. The ability is just busted.

[arctic grove]

Anyone use the combat shotgun on this class yet

[neat delta]

Yeah ainz did

[thorny ginkgo]

yo mika can i add you

[arctic imp]

oh the reason why is right there, strength on hit

[arctic imp]

Yeah of course

[fathom schooner]

When we getting this shit?

[winter tusk]

Lots of people complaining are used to playing tanky shit that can eat damage and keep chugging. They expect everything to be that way.

[torpid cloud]

Look man I'm genuinely trash
When I'm the last one standing in any situation it's over
There's a reason I never entered havoc or auric

[neat delta]

Heretics are allowed to have drip.

[fathom schooner]

??? That's water cartel soldier

That's us

[neat delta]

Potato pototo

[rose flax]

Are we actually regening 2 stamina per second? Swift endurance reports 1 stamina for a second

[neat delta]

See it for yourself, we regen stamina fast

[torpid cloud]

Honestly, the cosmetics for scum work best with the full body tattoos

[rose flax]

I know delay wise, but is swift endurance just delayed?

[arctic imp]

I also think scum look the best when you can see their face paint. Bucket helm ruins that

[torpid cloud]

Maybe

I don't use a helmet at all

[thorny ginkgo]

this is like one of the best coop games

[arctic grove]

What other shared class guns are good to use on hivescum

[torpid cloud]

Depends on the time of day and what people are around

[thorny ginkgo]

true

imagine if scum had spearhead boltgun 🤣🤣🤣

[arctic imp]

I really liked it because of the similarities to left 4 dead, but darktide is truly one of a kind even compared to vermintide

[thorny ginkgo]

i agree.. i don’t even like coop games like that but this is my new favorite game

[torpid cloud]

I don't see scum working with the bolt pistol we can have
Like
It's just too slow

[thorny ginkgo]

i mean the automatic one

[torpid cloud]

Ah

[dark moon]

desperado build is pretty awesome

[arctic grove]

Surprised he didn’t get the las pistol

[torpid cloud]

Grug stick to uzi cause that requires only one brain cell

[thorny ginkgo]

that gun is already cracked on vet

[thorny ginkgo]

lol i’m the same way

[torpid cloud]

I should make a melee build tho
Gordon Fentman

[arctic grove]

I desperately want to make the combat shotgun work with maybe a desperado build

[arctic imp]

eeesh that sounds hard

[thorny ginkgo]

lmfao two shotting mutants and shi with just frenzy enabled and no stim on rashad is hilarious

[fast gust]

Can't name a char that

[torpid cloud]

It should
Just make sure you one tap elites and pickpocket should keep you afloat

[thorny ginkgo]

no stim/rampage

[torpid cloud]

I can name the build that

[fast gust]

Idk how people manage to get past the filter but Fent, Meth and chems are all banned words

[arctic grove]

With what? Hyper critical?

[torpid cloud]

In my head

[arctic imp]

If desperado refilled your magazine on kill, it would work. Im not sure if it can otherwise without feeling underwhelming compared to using the uzis or something

[torpid cloud]

Melee scum is Gordon Fentman

[hot moth]

I've seen three already

Gordon Fentmans

[arctic grove]

One shotting is what the combat shotgun has trouble with me IMO

[fast gust]

Yeah it doesn't work for me

[dense hollow]

hyper critical doesnt work with ranged weapons

[fast gust]

Or any of the people that I've talked to

[hot moth]

No punctuation or anything, they're getting it past teh filter somehow

[thorny ginkgo]

honestly they should loosen the restrictions on names a little

[fast gust]

I've been naming characters for almost 2k hours now, none

[arctic imp]

why doesn’t hyper critical say that 😐

[fast gust]

Just writing
Fent doesn't work

[dense hollow]

critical strikes :( i got fatshark'd too on the wording

it's not critical hits

[fast gust]

And addint fent to anything makes it ilegible

[arctic grove]

I didnt expect it too, but it’d be cooler if it did

[fast gust]

Likely some exploit

[arctic imp]

Are you serious. That has got to be the most ridiculous twist on words I have ever heard of. Why is it even in the ranged side

[thorny ginkgo]

not trying to get banned or anything i’m good

[fast gust]

Like the guy named StGeorgeFent

[thorny ginkgo]

omg 😭

[torpid cloud]

I'm sorry maybe I was thinking wrong
Which shotgun is this about again

[dense hollow]

i couldnt name my character any variation that had Hopium in it

I assume because opium might be blocked

[thorny ginkgo]

smh

[torpid cloud]

Wait was this about the double barrel or nah

[fast gust]

Chems are directly mentioned in-game and is also censored currently

[limber cradle]

Still the most insane name I've seen posted ngl

[arctic grove]

Combat shotgun but I could maybe try the db too

[thorny ginkgo]

you can do LocalCartPlug as “LocalCartnitePlug”

[versed spruce]

Crazy racist names get past the name restrictions but god forbid my character, who shoots up heroine and has a crippling addiction to it, is named anything with "drug" in it

[thorny ginkgo]

you can’t even put certain police officer names

[limber cradle]

That would be offensive, don't you know?

[torpid cloud]

Cause on the DB I can see the both barrels blessing carrying hard

[thorny ginkgo]

yall like anarchrist or bounty hunter more?

[arctic grove]

With desperado?

[dense hollow]

it does, i've been running both barrels and scattershot blessings with flak and maniac damage perks

[fast gust]

Outlaw.

[thorny ginkgo]

yea i fw outlaw

YOOO

[arctic grove]

Why not man stopper

[thorny ginkgo]

“Cart” isn’t restricted

[arctic imp]

I chose outlaw but I love anarchist. They just start screeching and it’s a lot of fun

[thorny ginkgo]

same

[torpid cloud]

I mean it's free ammo and faster reloads

[arctic grove]

Alright you’re giving me ideas

[dense hollow]

i find that getting more crits was better in my gameplay than critting half of the time and getting that extra cleave

[torpid cloud]

I may just prefer uzis anyway tho

[arctic grove]

Understandable

[torpid cloud]

I'm terrible at this game, I need my braindead builds

[thorny ginkgo]

i’m not touching auric with rashad until i max it out

[fast gust]

After been frustrated with the GordonFentman
GordonFreemeth
GordonFreechems

I settled at DrThrax because anything related to CaC would be also censored nowadays

[limber cradle]

When is next shop rotation/do yall think we're getting more scum stuff

[thorny ginkgo]

play w me sometime

i main psyker though

[torpid cloud]

Sparky

I saw that

[arctic imp]

Are you playing right now?

[thorny ginkgo]

yes

just got into a match after hours of not doing nun

[near relic]

is the stimm lab actually referred to as the Cartel Special anywhere ingame?

[frigid basalt]

does it matter if I drop damage or stopping power on the needle pistol

or are both equally dump stats

[drifting heron]

Nothing matters but ammo and kinda stability

4 dump stat weapon

[warped quiver]

This answers nothing.

[azure mist]

Gordon Freestimms

[frigid basalt]

what about blessings and perks

[drifting heron]

Uhh

[azure mist]

I’m never changing my Scums name

[drifting heron]

Its blessings suck

So its just perks

[steep vale]

chat aparently my build is a build some streamer is suggesting

people will think im a sheep

[azure mist]

Blicky-Oblong is just too stupid to remove

[frigid basalt]

do crits do anything?

[drifting heron]

Give +1 stack on hit

[frigid basalt]

eeeeh

how many stacks does it apply on a normal shot?

[azure mist]

6

[drifting heron]

6 +1 on crit + 1 on headshot

[azure mist]

2 if In special mode

Which is the explode on death

[frigid basalt]

eeeeeeehhhhh

so pretty much just run crit chance?

[azure mist]

I mean not really

[drifting heron]

You can run full utility

Run n gun and like

[frigid basalt]

true true

[drifting heron]

Stripped down

[sturdy linden]

Run n Gun for reduced spread because its spread sucks. Stripped Down for ha ha immunity

[azure mist]

I run Ghost + Stripped down and just make it a utility pick

[frigid basalt]

could just use it for sprinting

[drifting heron]

Or smth

[south ice]

still no update to numeric ui feels bad man ;/

[drifting heron]

There's a temp patch in the modding discord

[south ice]

?

could you link

[small grail]

I'm beginning to wonder if chem dependency is even worth it. Its such a pain to maintain

[south ice]

pls and thanks

[sturdy linden]

Very worth it and very easy to maintain

[sturdy linden]

Just use a shorter CD stimm

[small grail]

But only a pain to maintain when your team is so good they're killing everything

[south ice]

the emperor blesses you

[azure mist]

Already found a Floyd one

The playerbase never ceases to be unfunny

[versed spruce]

It's usually the arby players but I can see mainstay scum mains being cringy

[small grail]

I already have nerfed its cd, teammates are for once just killing too many people. Makes it hard to make use of my stimm cd talent

[steep vale]

oh guys

have yall played that one mission with trench warfare yet?

big fan

[azure mist]

I like dumb names, I don’t like ones that are horrifically unfunny that reference tragic events

[steep vale]

might be my favorite mission rn

[versed spruce]

Purty fun

[frigid basalt]

are you using the one that lets you stack 4?

[azure mist]

Why my scum is named Blicky-Oblong

It’s just stupid as a name

[small grail]

Yeah

[frigid basalt]

well dont

[steep vale]

my scum is peter percr

[sturdy linden]

Stack 4 is bait

IMO

[steep vale]

real name peter perciset

[small grail]

But its 40% cdr and 20% crit

[versed spruce]

I like the Uncle Ruckus ogryns because they're not ill-intentioned as far as I can tell

[small grail]

Thats pretty good

[drifting heron]

Cdr matters the least on scum

2 of your abilities are extendable stances

[sturdy linden]

It's 33% better at the cost of... not giving you the opportunity to be 33% better

[azure mist]

Me millionth uncle ruckus Ogryn

[small grail]

I suppose you have a point

[versed spruce]

I think CDR doesn't matter on Rampage, but it is very impactful with Desperado

[small grail]

Maybe thats what i've been missing this whole time

[azure mist]

Or Derek Chauvin Arby

[frigid basalt]

the only big gain is the extra 10% cdr

which you can just offload to your stim

[reef skiff]

i just found a scum named LocalNeedleAbuser and we had a whole convo in text chat about how you can say the word heroin in chat but not in a character name

[frigid basalt]

5% extra crit is nice but not worth the node

[small grail]

Maybe the stack 4 is the link i gotta remove

[azure mist]

Vraks IAG desperado is just pre nerf scavenger vet

Gale remembers those days

[versed spruce]

"Its-ICE-Open-Up"

gun in your mouth right now slime

[robust minnow]

I'm dying a lot on Heresy... am I not getting something?

[versed spruce]

I was too busy guzzling holy revenant back then to play the other classes

[young herald]

https://tenor.com/bFiD5.gif

[drifting heron]

How much are you dodging

[versed spruce]

and coping over my 3 poxwalker Ironhelm cleave

[young herald]

also slide more

[small grail]

Alright gonna try with 3 stacks now

[robust minnow]

I guess not enough.

[zenith fern]

Muties affected by tox gas scare the shit out of me so many times

[azure mist]

Been a Vet main for 2 years and I don’t plan to quit

[robust minnow]

I guess my main issue is positioning??

I'm not supposed to dive into the thick of it like the Zealot?

[zenith fern]

theres no denying it is lol

[frigid basalt]

idk, are you taking a lot of hits?

[patent bone]

Same. Now I Scum

I Scum so hard

[versed spruce]

Hive scum will heavily call you out on bad positioning habits

[zenith fern]

Scum is far more squishy

[patent bone]

Every day

[drifting heron]

You can
You just have to leave a way out

[azure mist]

I’m still gonna play Vet

[twilit tide]

scum is faster and more dps but a lot less tanky so using dodge talents is exceptionally powerful

[zenith fern]

Playing Scum badly will teach you how punishing it can be

[versed spruce]

Are they actually bad positioning habits if every single other class in the game can easily survive those situations and make them into strengths?

[azure mist]

Funny as fuck sniping the gunner pack before the Scum can close the gap

[frigid basalt]

scum has the superior exec stance

[zenith fern]

A single shotgunner close ranged blast, will kill your entire toughness lmao

[frigid basalt]

which is... fucking wild

[azure mist]

Not really no

The only thing superior is infinite ammo

[versed spruce]

More swaggy, yes

Better, ehhhh

[dense hollow]

helbore lasgun has infinite ammo effectively..

[next gyro]

anyone know what the difference between marks for the needle pistol is

[frigid basalt]

infinite ammo, can't be shot

[dense hollow]

same with other lasguns tbh if you're not a total gremlin playing it

[azure mist]

Vet has constant regening toughness and not limited to close range

[zenith fern]

funny how people keep comparing desperado has being superior exec stance without knowing how plays different lol

[twilit tide]

a true scum player will already be in the next zone pretending they're listening to Forget as they gun down every single enemy within 12 meters

full sprint, holding lmb

[azure mist]

Take it from the Vet main

They’re literally side grades

[versed spruce]

Gunlugger release 2.0

[odd warren]

Is anyone else getting gaslit by rubber-banding? I'm having non-lag related rubber-banding on Scum and only Scum. Weapon swapping and dodging specifically.

[azure mist]

They’re not one is better than the other lmao

[versed spruce]

ermm it just exe stance

[frigid basalt]

that's kind of a known issue

[twilit tide]

they're better at their own things yea

[frigid basalt]

sometimes the game just says "nope" when you try to swap weapons

[odd warren]

Really??? Thank you for telling me

[frigid basalt]

There's a mod that tries to fix it

[zenith fern]

vanilla game is terrible with the binds response

Delayed or not responding

[odd warren]

But I'm only having it for Scum, no other class

[azure mist]

Issue is those mods are also bugged atm

[zenith fern]

Are they? They are fine to me

[azure mist]

Which makes you waste all your blackout frags

[zenith fern]

That been fixed now

[azure mist]

Updated my shit and it’s only had one incident so far

[zenith fern]

[twilit tide]

personally haven't had issues with weapon swapping having no mods for it either
not sure what I am doing different than those reporting issues

[kind zodiac]

oi how dis drip look

[twilit tide]

but I feel the servers are struggling or something and pox walkers feel jank

[azure mist]

Also hell I’m shocked I’m not seeing Forges Bellow is better VOC discussions if we’re comparing Despie vs Exe

[patent bone]

Lord Melk got tired of assigning contracts, so he's doing em himself

[zenith fern]

This is the shit I live for when playing shivs build

[frigid basalt]

because it's pretty obvious which one is better

[azure mist]

Both are insane

[frigid basalt]

VOC is spammable, bellow ain't

[fierce python]

how is hsword on scum

[azure mist]

Forges Bellow does it on start and end and CDR uptime is rarely an issue on Scum so you usually get it back quickly

[twilit tide]

cuz you'd compare it to duty and honour instead

[azure mist]

And then VOC is just golden toughness obviously

[zenith fern]

Rampage can last forever too if you keep on hitting

[azure mist]

But anyways yes

Forges Bellow is literally

[drifting heron]

Forges bellow also has 75% melee power and 20% attack speed attached to it

[azure mist]

The same stagger as VOC

[dense hollow]

and 50% cleave

[zenith fern]

It is useful when you get cornered bad, also replenish all toughness

[drifting heron]

50% cleave is a drop in the bucket with that

[azure mist]

Seen a few incidents where it’s literally pulled a FNP keystone and basically did a pseudo pained outburst

[drifting heron]

You already get 75% from the power

[dense hollow]

yeah but you get the 50% cleave alongside the extra 25% melee power

[azure mist]

And saved a Scum from a hound pounce

And a mutant grab

Shits crazy bro

[zenith fern]

50% cleave with 25% melee power is fun on shivs

https://tenor.com/view/cut-in-half-spill-tomfoolery-nonsense-knife-gif-7199193493323220029

[azure mist]

Uncanny

Like uncanny strike

From Darktide

[dense hollow]

it's a non optional node if you're taking rampage since its just free 25% power and you get the extra consolation prize of cleave being attached to it

[zenith fern]

is that a dorktide reference folks?

[frigid basalt]

forge bellow is a 1 time free stagger, main part is the melee buff

[restive raptor]

which gang you guys picked for hive scum?

[azure mist]

2 times technically

[frigid basalt]

VOC stagger and gold toughness get spammed every few seconds

[azure mist]

At start and end it does the push

[zenith fern]

🚰

[azure mist]

Which gives you a few seconds to subvert exhaustion

[zenith fern]

tbf picking the gang wont matter because you get all cartel cosmetics

at the start

[frigid basalt]

so if you make your rampage last long your next shout will be far away

so in terms of like... just the NODE of forge bellow? voc is outright better

[azure mist]

Yes and you can control the second push to be whenever you see fit

[frigid basalt]

you control it?

I just let it run out when it runs out

[twilit tide]

voc is a much much lower cd, especially on higher difficulties

[frigid basalt]

typically when there's nothing left to swing at

[azure mist]

Someone is getting grabbed by a boss is usually when I let it decay to Free them

Pop stim cause of CDR

And then go right back into rampage

[frigid basalt]

what makes me sad is desperado and exec stance

exec stance gives way way more damage

but it does miss some of those just purely quality of life things desperado has

like reloading on use

[abstract lichen]

Back in my days 👴

It did

[frigid basalt]

yeah I remember that

also man

I really wish exec stance higlighted normal shooters base

[restive raptor]

@zenith fern i picked iron riders

[abstract lichen]

Ha

[frigid basalt]

and the node for highllighting for teammates got baked in instead of being a node

[azure mist]

I’m torn on that seeing it would be nice not needing to spend the node but also admittedly it would be powerful as a base addition

Though I do agree reload on use should return

[limber cradle]

Desp kinda reminds me of the auto reload 80 percent damage resistance days cause of the ranged immune

[frigid basalt]

just a reminder that vet was originally the strongest melee character in game back in the day

because power sword

oh and the talent that lets you stand still and basically turn invisible

so you could just take 0 damage and keep swinging

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, every time I use Desperado I'm just thinking to myself "Man, Fatshark really killed pre-skill tree veteran and just gave it back to hive scum"

[random shuttle]

hehe

[sinful matrix]

It's literally just Exe Stance Vet with an SAP chasing down all of the highlighted enemies

[random shuttle]

its funny how now that the teams are no longer 4x Scum

[sinful matrix]

It's 1-for-1 gameplay

[random shuttle]

the game got much better 😄

[sinful matrix]

Lotta floor sniffers this patch

[random shuttle]

and show how scum can shine

[zenith fern]

playing higher diffs?

[random shuttle]

What's a higher diff?

[zenith fern]

auric

[random shuttle]

Then yes.

[sinful matrix]

Funny that I hopped into damnations as a level 18 scum and was outperforming my level 30 teammates

[zenith fern]

Usually squads are more diversed at auric

[sinful matrix]

I don't even have a full build yet and they're dropping like flies and I'm fine

[random shuttle]

yes but also just shows

that Scum shines if he is enabled to shine

as intended

[zenith fern]

Close to unlock auric too

Playing damnation been very spicy already as scum

[sinful matrix]

Scum shines if you can dodge the random slave rat bruiser behind your back trying to nuke 85% of your defensive resources

[zenith fern]

usually I am the underleveled one and still managed to survive the most

[sinful matrix]

Most people cannot do this

[zenith fern]

Truly these scunners dont know what they playing smh

[toxic dagger]

lol ye. it perfectly encapsulates how far the balance has drifted

[sinful matrix]

I blame people being mad they couldn't play the game well

TOO HARD CLASSES TOO BAD blablabla

Some acquiescence was to be expected

Definitely drifted too far imo though(Even being an Ogryn main, loving the fact I'm super OP now)

[random shuttle]

also I have decided, spoken, and so, it is true

DAP Despasito is Dead

IAG Despasito is the Real Deal

[sinful matrix]

Brauto?

[zenith fern]

As Ogryn player, playing scum is quite a massive difference

[sinful matrix]

Oh, IAG

I mean that makes sense I guess

[raven matrix]

I mean I’m not amazing and I’m still outperforming a good 2/3 of hivescum players, many with auric and havoc titles. Do wonder how people achieved those with the skill I’ve often seen

[sinful matrix]

Infinite ammo fixes the terrible economy

ADS for perfect accuracy to extend DPS

[random shuttle]

Vraks IAG has rapid reloads, brute damage, great blessings to fuel the 'close range killing'

[sinful matrix]

And the IAG has solid damage into all armor types

[random shuttle]

it's a killing machine

[winter tusk]

playing builds where you don't have to use melee or its extremely limited, therefore you never have to get into the horde and worry that much about dodging

[sinful matrix]

Carried by survival blankets on Zealot/Veteran

[winter tusk]

or just play arbitrator which is braindead tanky

[random shuttle]

I had 3x the Elite kills than any team member bless

[sinful matrix]

Piss toughness and "I cannot die" do a lot to ruin gamesense

[winter tusk]

same with ogryn as long as you can stay in the horde

[raven matrix]

I had an Ogryn on a heresy mission last night with only wound curios, he was max levelled with a proper build but died 12 times (regular heresy).

[random shuttle]

I'll gonna say it

[winter tusk]

yep, people don't learn fundamentals

[random shuttle]

Despasito giving full immunity to ranged is a bit dum

[sinful matrix]

Correct

It should be a damage reduction

[winter tusk]

you can be the tankiest class ever, but if you can't at least dodge A LITTLE, youre gonna get shredded

[sinful matrix]

not damage removal

[toxic dagger]

false

[raven matrix]

I have the plain decency to not go and punch above my weight cos whether I win or not, I won’t deserve it.

[random shuttle]

ROOM: 30 gunners, 6 Reapers, 20 shotgunners and 1 Groaner
Me, Despasito: "Free Real Estate"

[toxic dagger]

combine is posting scoreboards that shows that uzi desperado build is top dps in the whole game

having run 'n gun is essential and iag doesnt get it

[random shuttle]

I bet that's because he didn't run IAG yet

[toxic dagger]

no the iag is too slow

sprinting while shooting with +20% sprint speed is the real sauce

[random shuttle]

Vraks IAG too slow? Cray cray

[sinful matrix]

I don't think I've ever really felt the need for run n gun on daps

[clever wraith]

Run and gun and the reload perks so you can just keep blasting

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/craycray-gravityfalls-disney-girl-why-you-ackin-so-cray-cray-gif-5954778

[sinful matrix]

I like doubling up on the damage blessings to completely delete bulwarks and the like

[raven matrix]

My upper limit rn is a solid contributor on an auric maelstrom, but I’m not gonna solo carry because I’m not that good.

[sinful matrix]

Helps into ragers too

[winter tusk]

rocket launcher should have some type of very long cool down

regen with a very long cooldown

[random shuttle]

I already solo'ed Havoc 41 as Scum so

[winter tusk]

fighting randoms for nades when they already regen is fuckin dumb

[random shuttle]

😏

[toxic dagger]

yea movement speed and reload speed too low. the nonstop dmg output and extremely high movement speed is how you constantly run all the shooters and gunners down to extend desperado to ridiculous lengths and outdamage everyone else

[drowsy relic]

Mister E said it needs a buff tho and now that's the main opinion on reddit (the greatest source of darktide knowledge on the internet)

[toxic dagger]

iag has nice dmg profiles but it doesnt have the speeeeeed

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-jesus-christ-jesus-is-our-saviour-yeshua-lord-and-saviour-gif-23033351

he has spoken

[random shuttle]

The curse of Vibetubers linger forever.

[toxic dagger]

yeah idk what he was thinking with that video.

[raven matrix]

Remind me is it shivs with the desperado rn?

[sinful matrix]

I don't think I've ever felt the need to chase down enemies either(This is just using Vet experience in Aurics and a brief foray into havoc with him)

[novel oracle]

AAAAAAHHHHHHHH

[random shuttle]

I run a Combat Knife

[sinful matrix]

Like, there's just never really any "breathing spots" where its hard to keep the skill up in auric+

[raven matrix]

Are shivs still optimal tho?

[random shuttle]

No clue

not a fan of shivs

[sinful matrix]

I use combat axe lmao

[random shuttle]

I do love my Combat Knife

[sinful matrix]

I hate how the knives feel into anything bigger than groaners

and it gets kinda old constantly swapping to my gun to kill mixed hordes

[raw depot]

Shivs are probably not meta but I have a build that makes them able to melt just about everything.

[novel oracle]

shivs are probably the best melee they have wdym

[vernal sluice]

Shivs are fun as hell to use

[random shuttle]

Meta-shmeta

[novel oracle]

high mobility high damage and they have tons of cleave and crit related stuff, and hyper violence too

[toxic dagger]

shivs mobility is peak

[random shuttle]

Use what you like bro

[frosty pumice]

i really enjoy the shivs and the special attack is fun too

[toxic dagger]

oh wrong reply

[winter tusk]

time to start the disinformation campaign and start telling people the heavysword build is the meta

[random shuttle]

PFT

[patent bone]

Shivs my beloved

[vernal sluice]

GUYS THE HEAVY SWORD DOMINATES HAVOC 40 GET ON THAT

[random shuttle]

Everyone knows Assault Chainsword + Vigilant Autogun is the meta

[patent bone]

Never got rid of my starter shivs

[zenith fern]

Cant get over how slick the shivs animations are

[novel oracle]

i could probably convince people

[winter tusk]

but then plenty of people would be like "its too slow wa wa"

[toxic dagger]

what I meant to say was: if you want to absolutely shit out damage and topfrag in h40, the speed gets you there before anyone else and keeps you absolutely untouchable by melee enemies and bombers and shit

[sinful matrix]

yeah I figure my shiv problem is build specific but I can't be assed to figure it out yet

[steep vale]

hey man careful i saw a shotgunner or 2 around

[steep vale]

hi hank

[sinful matrix]

I mean I'm already immune to Chaos Spawn with DAPs out without run n gun

[hot moth]

okay

[sinful matrix]

I dunno

[hot moth]

special ammo cannon shotgun scum is a thing

it's hilarious

[steep vale]

look at my awesome clip chat

[sinful matrix]

There's probably a good argument for rng, but I like my double damage blessings

[raven matrix]

Shivs are good hoard clear and solid against single target. Not so good against masses elites.

[winter tusk]

i concur

[novel oracle]

someone doesnt have hyper violence

[raven matrix]

The attack pattern feels weird and the range is fucking terrible

[novel oracle]

mixed elites result in dead elites from hyper violence shivs

[toxic dagger]

thats why you can move 15m/s

[kind zodiac]

ooooo i see an ebony and ivory user

[winter tusk]

ive been destroying mixed hordes of ragers by using keep swinging with light attacks

[raven matrix]

I always stab at thin air

[winter tusk]

in auric granted

[steep vale]

huh?

[raven matrix]

But without a designated build they’re only solid and not excellent.

[toxic dagger]

cant touch this

[winter tusk]

thats like, everything though lol

[novel oracle]

but thats a class thing, not a weapon thing

[random shuttle]

Hyper Violence + Bromentum + Rashad + Rampage/BIG stimm = One swing kills entire horde ❤️

[winter tusk]

have to pick your specialty

[steep vale]

oh what the bonesaw's best melee combo

[kind zodiac]

dmc reference

[vernal sluice]

I can take on any kind of mix of enemies with shivs as long as I have enough space to dodge away from attacks

[steep vale]

ive been doing shove melee into heavys then lights for a bit

[winter tusk]

probably H1-L1 or something

maybe flipped

thats lots of combos

[novel oracle]

h1 l2 loop for single target
push attack heavy heavy for horde clear

[sinful matrix]

Gotta do some more grinding before I can figure out the bottom third of my tree

[steep vale]

oh ok

[sinful matrix]

I just got to pickpocket for reference

[toxic dagger]

hive scum is very backloaded

the class is impossible to judge without full build

[raven matrix]

I’m getting one useable build, maxing my hivescum and then tanking all the dockets and mats I need with my Ogryn.

[winter tusk]

The other shiv is pretty good too, it has a weird moveset though. Definitely still good, if you push attack you can follow up with like 2-3 stabs with lights

[sinful matrix]

Only thing I'm running into really is judging the melee weapon choices

class feels fine otherwise since I got to despy

that ult is so blatantly overpowered I'm amazed people die

[kind zodiac]

At least the hive scum isn’t backed up

[sinful matrix]

Infinite ammo and you're immune to ranged?

[kind zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-bathroom-restroom-pooping-diarrhea-gif-620628100617957389

[sinful matrix]

Along with Scum's giga dodges?

How are people DYING

[winter tusk]

Theres definitely notably fewer hive scum players from my experience in pubs

probably because it actually takes some effort to use well

Arbitrator update literally every single game was a 4stack, this time im actually getting other players like ogryns and psykers and whatnot

[toxic dagger]

Bursters

[random shuttle]

Hank

[steep vale]

i feel like while i was leveling i went form "oh this is so squishy" up until like level 15 when i got dependancies and then i felt like it was free as fuck

[random shuttle]

Is FS looking into what fucked up with Bursters?

[toxic dagger]

Absolute bane of my existence this patch. They're all kinds of messed up re: sounds and jump/shove behavior

[random shuttle]

Because I swear to god

[kind zodiac]

Eh I like the hive scum but i personally prefer my veteran

[random shuttle]

Bursters are so broken atm

[main minnow]

Honestly I feel like Hive Scum's big issue is that they made all these ridiculously overpowered abilities

like Vulture's Dodge, Desperado

[steep vale]

my biggest issue is snipers while im swarmed

[kind zodiac]

How so?

[sinful matrix]

Now, now now now

[main minnow]

and then tried to balance the power budget around them in lategame

[sinful matrix]

The class is SO hard to play

[winter tusk]

honestly my main deaths on scum have been from bodyblocking, outta nades cant push through big rip

[sinful matrix]

I think I'm okay with how OP stuff is

[main minnow]

And didn't realize that it's like,

[sinful matrix]

like if despy gets ranged immunity taken away, it NEEDS massive DR buffs instead

otherwise its a shit ability that's unuseable

[random shuttle]

• No sound cue
• Ignore Pushes A LOT
• Explosion Radius is bigger than before OR some latency/lag makes them clip you even if you were outside the zone

[steep vale]

my biggest issues are hounds when im not paying attention and sniper which are also my fault

[sinful matrix]

because Hive Scum has zero survivability in the traditional sense

[main minnow]

the early leveling experience would be ass because they put 80% of the power budget into shit like

[main minnow]

That's what I mean

[toxic dagger]

Yeah hive scum is currently designed with a weak tree but very strong ults (except stimm supply)

[kind zodiac]

Could be net work issues?

[steep vale]

THATS WHY I KEEP DYING TO THEM

omg

[main minnow]

because they had to balance around Desperado existing, hive scum can't have more durability and shit

[regal smelt]

Darktide is free to play until 8th of December and is at -75% sale, there is legit a lot of new rejects

[kind zodiac]

Cause I’m doing fine against the bursters

[toxic dagger]

If it gets an adjustment to make the ults less crazy then the tree needs more juice

[novel oracle]

it needs to be a 100% chance to dodge gunfire that decays over time, but is restored via kills
work for the power

[toxic dagger]

That is known

[drifting heron]

Man

[main minnow]

IMO, split the difference.

[winter tusk]

even with that, ive gotten a lot of people with decent true levels already

[drifting heron]

The mental gymnastics people are capable of

Don't look in arbites

[jaunty copper]

what am I looking to be using for my curios? rocking a desperado build

[kind zodiac]

Dumb question are the wardens the community managers?

[winter tusk]

can we add like a long ass rocket regen or something

[vernal sluice]

I will look in arbites

[winter tusk]

SOMETHING

[limber cradle]

A lot of my games are 2 scum and arbs and ogs now, its defo anecdotal and confirmation bias but I think it's amusing to see people swapping off to play those

[winter tusk]

make it 180 seconds idgaf, randoms are the WORST about shit

[main minnow]

Give it like, 2s dodge on activation

and then reset it to 1.5s on close kill

[light phoenix]

Imagine if Vet still regen team grenades

We'd have Ogryn Frag Bomb and Scum Bazooka spam

[limber cradle]

Blinders my goat tbh, idk how people be running rocket

[novel oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UjSJmjGQ0iE

[random shuttle]

Wardens are just power nerds doing it fo free because Reddit power 😏

[winter tusk]

3 minutes for a regen isnt that broken

6 minutes to refill your shit

[toxic dagger]

No

[toxic dagger]

Just janitors

[main minnow]

That too, Blinders are 100% Hive Scum's instant space making ability

but everyone takes rocket launcher or chem grenade

then act surprised they don't have a space making ability

[kind zodiac]

Please tell me the wardens ain’t reddit moderators

[jaunty copper]

they kinda do

with raven's push

[limber cradle]

Blinders with pocket tox feel incredibly good imo

[raven matrix]

No. Community managers, are community managers.

[toxic dagger]

I am hahahah

[raven matrix]

Clues in the name.

[main minnow]

Like

My brother in christ, you took knife and dual pistols

[toxic dagger]

Discord, subreddit and Fatshark forums

[winter tusk]

20 kills to regen nades is balanced but an insanely long regen for rocket is too op

ok

[vernal sluice]

I definitely feel that's happening yeah and idm. I had an amazing auric mission yesterday with 2 psykers, knife zealot and me scummin. 0 downs 0 deaths

[main minnow]

True, but the leafblower farts are in the bottom of the skill tree.

[kind zodiac]

My brother in Christ can I make a suggestion

[sinful matrix]

I will say, I don't think I could like, hard grind Hive Scum. Takes too much brain power. The amount of thinking I need to do is fairly draining.

[toxic dagger]

Sure

[sinful matrix]

Fun class

but exceptionally hard to pilot to a high level of competency

[main minnow]

That's the big issue

[sinful matrix]

And I mostly just play darktide to relax these days

[torpid cloud]

Maybe getting the vulture node that gives immunity on ranged crit is a good idea for my no skilled ass

[sinful matrix]

So. . . Ogryn is my main

[raven matrix]

Ogryn is life.

[main minnow]

Ogryn is love

[jaunty copper]

oggy is love

oggy is life

[torpid cloud]

Ogryn is my main forever

[limber cradle]

This is how this class feels to me, I actively want to touch nothing else again. I went 1-30 in one session and I only have missions penances left to grind.

[regal smelt]

Are they gonna nerf Uncanny Strike for every weapon or is it just Scum getting scammed?

[steep oak]

I have a question. Whats Adrenaline Frenzy? Where do I proc it?

[main minnow]

Hit people, hit more people

[kind zodiac]

Please stop being a reddit mod really would rather not make jokes about wardens being reddit mods

[winter tusk]

scum doesnt need fully uncanny, itd be too busted

[main minnow]

But yeah. Hive Scum's ults and certain keystones are so busted they 100% gimped the rest of the class to compensate

[toxic dagger]

No

[fast wind]

as someone who enjoys the mobile very killy sort of playstyle this class is a lot of fun

[steep oak]

Thats it? I dont need to use ultimate for it. Its jsut a passive?

[torpid cloud]

I just like the change of pace that is infinite ammo
Fun to mess around with