hivescum-class

[novel quest]

I DO have coated weaponry on my build. would that be the move then? can opener and bash?

[steep goblet]

Thought you had to do it for a whole 33 min long mission

[worn canopy]

Feel like Increase crits and precision shot, more damage from that

[novel oracle]

shock and awe and decimator

[bronze glade]

Ok cool thanks

[bleak sail]

gotcha, i just got them last night and was testing them out in the psykharium

[regal smelt]

What is the stacking buff on Crowbar heavy attacks?

[bronze glade]

Shock and awe seems quite good

[bronze glade]

Thrust at home

[worn canopy]

The tighter crosshair means you can shoot from it

[sinful matrix]

the only reasonable response

[novel quest]

actually

I have enough crit chance on my stimm and dependency and rampage

I'll do can opener and superiority

[worn canopy]

Its puri puri, welcome back

[regal smelt]

Is it power? or smth else?

[novel oracle]

no cleave whatsoever
vs
-60% hitmass from shock and awe, +50% cleave from battering strikes, +50% power from decimator

[bleak sail]

i never thought i was particularly good at this game, but playing hive scum has really elucidated me as to how bad i am

i die so quickly

[novel oracle]

7.5% power per stack

[sinful matrix]

o/

Still feels weird to be recognized in a game server

[outer estuary]

does the damage or stopping power stat do anything for the chem damage on the needle?

[sinful matrix]

at least I'm not angry all the time anymore

[worn canopy]

Hive scum user must be fast and zoom avoid taking hits most of time.

[sinful matrix]

use push attacks more

[worn canopy]

Like shivs, taxe, Cknife thats fit for criminal playstyle

[bleak sail]

for sure, i've gotta get better at dodging. i seem to find ways to dodge INTO attacks

[sinful matrix]

especially if your weapon has strength/power buffs

[atomic quiver]

what does stability do

[bronze glade]

Lol christ the default cleave is quite bad

[sinful matrix]

What, like on a gun?

[atomic quiver]

yeah

[sinful matrix]

Pretty sure its recoil

[worn canopy]

Reduce inaccuracies and recoil

[fringe marten]

i really wish dependency worked with stimm kit

[sinful matrix]

but you can inspect to see the stats it affects

[atomic quiver]

then can i leave it as a dump stat if im using needle?

[tender marten]

focus on dodging attacks at the right time first. then you can work on where youre dodging

[novel oracle]

heres it when thats all stacked up + the power and cleave from rampage

against shotgunners with a hitmass of 5

[worn canopy]

If you ads it

[bleak sail]

thanks, yeah, i listen for that sound where i'm about to get hit and try dodging then

[sinful matrix]

the other one is memorizing the WHOOZE noise when enemies are about to attack and dodging as soon as you hear it

[worn canopy]

Mostly people dump mobility on needle

[sinful matrix]

Thankfully it's super fuckin loud compared to VT2

[tender marten]

i make the effort to block most of those woosh attacks depending on whats going on but thats a whole other thing

[fringe marten]

i mean most people ive seen say damage actually, but all in all anything besides ammo won't really matter

[bleak sail]

i like to dodge off cliffs, good luck hitting me when i'm dangling over the abyss!

[tender marten]

one skill at a time

[worn canopy]

The rat grrrr’ing sound

[bleak moon]

thats really slow

[random shuttle]

[tender marten]

yea scum dodges are gigantic especially with the shivs, i have also launched myself around precariously

[random shuttle]

Had a nice clutch solo against twins

game crashed right after

[worn canopy]

Some here said needle isn’t a flamer

[random shuttle]

loaded in to mission fail screen...

[sinful matrix]

People are still fighting the twins?

or is this a havoc mission

[random shuttle]

random twins from event spawn

[fringe marten]

i don't see how that statement really relates to anything, on their part of course

[novel oracle]

the important part is that youre not stopping on the first shotgunner
the cleave damage isnt great, but its applying toxin on every enemy it hits

[worn canopy]

@fringe marten at least you could downoad config loadout test needle dmg dump theory

[sinful matrix]

No idea what that means unfortunately

I'm like

only vaguely familiar with the mission mechanics at this point

I just hit things with a big stick and it works out

[muted heath]

Forge's bellow seems bad for bulwarks

[fringe marten]

or you could listen to anyone else who will tell you the same thing

[worn canopy]

Oh because flamer dump damage because they use DoT base from burn stats

[novel oracle]

the event has trial shrines for you to pray at and start a scripted combat trial

[fringe marten]

yeah it's the same situation here

[novel oracle]

like a mixed horde with a captain and rodin

normal board btw lmao

[leaden fable]

Fuckin legendary yapper

[bleak moon]

but they arent hitting back you arent hitting other enemies or dealing with other specials so that TTK is abysmal

[sinful matrix]

Oh, so like the old event where there were nurgle spires that made enemies invulnerable, spawned a boss, and to kill things in its radius you needed to destroy the spire?

[rose flax]

I just realized
I have 11 stamina on my needle pistol(3 from hive, 4 from pistol, 2 from pistol, 2 from curio) yet the 2% attack speed talent says 10

[fringe marten]

base damage doesn't effect the DoT, you gain very minimal damage as the projectile deals like 30 at base

[fringe marten]

thats the point of damage over time my friend, if they died instantly it wouldn't be vvery ovver time

[novel oracle]

remember that the saw also does this

cleave IS the saws weakness

[mental igloo]

Has anybody had an issue with stimm cooldown being way longer than normal?

[fringe marten]

the point is that you can walk away, or they can hit back and theyll still take a sizeable chunk of damage and end up dying

[livid raven]

no not really

[rose flax]

That's why it's a melee weapon gun, it's for melee users

[bleak moon]

That actually looks usable

[sinful matrix]

There's a reason we like fire in havoc missions

and the frontloaded damage isn't it

infinite cleave in a 20 meter cone is super pog

[raven matrix]

how do I buuild the dual stub pistols?

[rose flax]

It's so interesting how both modes work exactly the same but brittleness or chem

I like that

[worn canopy]

I something go here pick advice from people mostly i make my choices and knowing thing

[novel oracle]

the toxin mode deals more raw damage to flesh and the purple flavor does more raw damage to armor

even before their respective debuffs

[fringe marten]

i honestly might try out the saw, seems fun

[rose flax]

Thanks, good to know

[fringe marten]

im just afraid of abandoning my shiv lawnmower

[sinful matrix]

the attack speed on the saw, along with the weird moveset means I'll probably never get around to it

[worn canopy]

The butcher cleaver

How crowbar just a other old shovel?

[fringe marten]

yeah i do wish it had a mark that was a little more simplistic

[rose flax]

Swift endurance is your friend

[sinful matrix]

I mean I'm an ogryn main

I'm no stranger to terrible dps

[worn canopy]

Lol

[sinful matrix]

It's just that Hive Scum doesn't have the same safety net as Ogryn when it comes to awful DPS weapons

Like nuking the thing you hit once and getting back a bajillion toughness

[worn canopy]

At least they have rocket launcher

Explode

Big pp dmg

[sinful matrix]

I'm just using the chem nade

Seems pretty solid

[worn canopy]

War crime

[sinful matrix]

It ain't a crime if they're chaos aligned

It's also not a crime if Commissar Dukane tells me to do it

[novel oracle]

wait till you realize that the moveset is almost just like the arbites shock maul

h1>l2 for single target
pa>heavy>heavy for group clear

[sinful matrix]

Oh

I use the shield on Arbite

[sonic pumice]

How is the crowbar looking? Is it performing good in hard difficulty? I'm still leveling my class, close but not there yet

[steep vale]

chat i forgot smth important

[sinful matrix]

Good job jelly

[amber sundial]

nah

[sinful matrix]

[amber sundial]

not missing anything

[sonic pumice]

I have been running no curios so far, people saying this class can't survive don't have fundamentals

[sinful matrix]

It's not that it can't

[sonic pumice]

The stamina regen is quite crazy

[sinful matrix]

it's that if you do get hit you get half your HP nuked

[real dew]

I run crowbar in the same way I run power maul on ogryn: It can do a bit of anything

[sinful matrix]

It doesn't have traditional survivability baked in

Fatshark opted for mobility over toughness regen

Raises the skill floor significantly

[steep vale]

i dont die as much now

[tender marten]

i think this should be reworked to ranged only tbh

[white cipher]

The MKII and MKVI Needle Pistol are literally identical when I switch between them. Is this a bug I'm only getting?

[vast aspen]

What blessings have yall been running with the slash shivs (the box cutter ones)

[novel oracle]

the special and stack count is different

[steep vale]

while leveling i was so squishy but now that i have drugs im decent

[white cipher]

I don't think so

[muted holly]

alright Scummers, is there a definitive list of currently broken talent nodes / blessings?

[real dew]

Broken or stuff that doesn't work well together but is apparently working as intended?

[amber sundial]

6 applies +2 stacks on crit/weak point alt fire makes enemies explode for stagger
2 applies +1 stack on crit/weak point alt fire makes enemies apply chem tox to others

[novel oracle]

the mk2 has a toxin spreading special and applies +1 stack on headshot and crit
the mk6 has an small aoe stagger toxin special and applies +2 stacks on headshot and crit

[sonic pumice]

Broken as they suffered of the ObeseFish brand of Quality control?

[muted holly]

of course

[muted heath]

is it too strong? Do backstabs go off that often?

[ancient basin]

been running toughness stim on auric for the pennance recently, and its been working out pretty well on my rampage build

full regen, not the burst one

[steep vale]

peter percr at your service

[torpid cloud]

Honestly
That toughness on ranged kill node is feeling non negotiable to me

[amber sundial]

does it apply to the needler?

or does the toxin killing not count

[torpid cloud]

Only if the gun kills

[sinful matrix]

Peter Percocet looking to distribute

[torpid cloud]

Toxin isn't gun

[tranquil berry]

needler is a side-arm for melee builds

[steep vale]

hes got perc yeah

[sinful matrix]

my crackhead

[main wagon]

I love how multiple people had independent experience with their preferred weapon like, “Yeah when I first unlocked/used it at low level it was kinda meh but a proper 500 with a full build totally rips”

[tepid compass]

Anyone else find the stim cd ui really hard to read? I can never tell if it’s ready or not while in the middle of action

[muted holly]

what melee weapon is recommended for heavy attack use?

[sinful matrix]

This might be true for the dual knives but I doubt I'll ever enjoy them

[main wagon]

On the one hand, duh obviously. But on the other it’s really funny how significant being properly outfitted is on Scum versus Arbites that could just take anything and tank the world with ASB or the shmield

[sinful matrix]

I hate the combat knife gameplay loop

I can execute it fine, give or take, but its just not fun

[urban gull]

My gross screaming lesbian

[novel quest]

this mf hive scum too fast😭😭😭 I almost clutched a double boss on Auric and accidentally fell off a ledge because of these insane dodges

I feel embarrassed

[main wagon]

I’ve NEVER used the combat blade even once because I played back when knife zealots were a plague on quickplay

[muted holly]

I don't like that I have to manually click for every shot with the dual pistols

[main wagon]

I’m actually coming around to the shivs

[split halo]

how do iget behind the mobs so i can backstab them? every tiem i get near them if they have team mate focus they turn to face me or if i stab them it doesnt kill them they turn to face me. i just want to reload my throwing knives x.x

[main wagon]

I really really want to like the crowbar but for my setup it’s just not the move

[broken bear]

dodge

[novel quest]

I really like it

[main wagon]

Having that pocket tox with no investment through shiv special is pretty glorious too

[novel quest]

it's great

[split halo]

team mate kills them while i dodge

[livid raven]

just kill an elite

[random shuttle]

ngl

[urban gull]

Perk that makes you lower threat while you sprint

[random shuttle]

LOVE IAG despasito

[broken bear]

git gud then

[main wagon]

I’m definitely going to give it a try on a rampage build

[split halo]

i have that

doesnt help

[broken bear]

dude i love this

[naive imp]

every time i use shivs i forget i have the throwing knives

[main wagon]

But on a desperado build I feel like knives or Dclaw is the move

[urban gull]

Dodge better

[split halo]

dont forget they 1tap nurgle beast

[sinful matrix]

ew mods

[split halo]

theyre busted

[tender marten]

its in the ranged section of the tree yknow, just seems right

[manic wolf]

Yeah.... Needle Pistol is fuckin cracked lmao

[naive imp]

what

[broken bear]

puri im tryin to be a kinder soul

[novel quest]

I feel so bad for my teammates now. I so could've easily pulled off a clutch win but I messed up💔

[broken bear]

dont push me

[main wagon]

[naive imp]

dont feel bad for them, they were probably terrible horrible people anyway

[muted heath]

BRUH bad way to navigate meta evualuations

[main wagon]

I downloaded PowerDI

Holy shit I didn’t realize I was doing so much damage

[manic wolf]

Stop acting like you aint Scum, same as the rest of us

[urban gull]

"Rest of us" brother we are NOT in the same gang

[torpid cloud]

Heavy sword

[tender marten]

-spits- this is water cartel turf

[torpid cloud]

Least fro what I've been shown earlier

[main wagon]

This guy thinks we’re a part of THE SHOW

[torpid cloud]

You tell em boss

[split halo]

how do i get emote and img perms ?

[main wagon]

RATTLE EM, WATER CARTEL

[urban gull]

I AM PART OF THE SHOW!!!

[hallow raft]

\

\

[urban gull]

AND IMMA SHOW MY FOOT HOW IT WORKS UP YER AAARSE

WHAT THE KARK DOES 🫃 MEAN

[amber sundial]

im gonna tread lightly outta here so i dont suffer the same

[slow swan]

How does aggro work in this game? Because I feel like I’m every fight I see everything targtting me first, gunners, mutants, ragers will run past my team after me, it’s so consistent

[main wagon]

Dis u? With all your STINK colored garb

[south crane]

Imagine not wanting the beauty of the forges

[main wagon]

I respect the Treadies

[torpid cloud]

It means

[urban gull]

Hell yeah I wanna be Ace

[main wagon]

But Cartel4Loif

[glacial gyro]

average darktide team

[south crane]

🤝

[main wagon]

Hilariously my Arbites is Torrent precinct

[amber sundial]

i made my tread lightly hive scum as short as possible

[glacial gyro]

So not much has changed for them

[main wagon]

So he’d prosecute my scum with impunity

[urban gull]

If you aint in The Show you're not a real ganger, you're a poser in dorky threads

[south crane]

Im not gonna lie, shes gay as fuck

[manic wolf]

Pfft, you only joined The Show for them fancy pants

[urban gull]

We're ALL gay

[broken bear]

fork found in kitchen

[south crane]

The correct answer

[main wagon]

[torpid cloud]

Remind me again, who controls the water supply

[high gull]

No one now

Y'alls leader died

[glacial gyro]

my boss is named magleviathan, you lose

[high gull]

[south crane]

Me, its all mine

[urban gull]

Aint that the damn song from Undertale

[torpid cloud]

I chose to forget that

[high gull]

What's it like being in a gang who's leader got popped by one of it's own members

Now you gotta work for the nark who popped your gang leader

[manic wolf]

Talkin like thats not the norm

[glacial gyro]

you're gonna have to narrow that down, klingon promotions are like, how it works in gangs

[kind zodiac]

this might sound kinda stupid but i can see the neddle gun being a main weapon

[manic wolf]

You only deserve the power you can hold onto

[rare grotto]

I think you're thinking of megalovania
https://youtu.be/KK3KXAECte4?si=RgKZLIfFh6pYE66N

[high gull]

Nah you're right, it's good.

[manic wolf]

Yeah no thats totally dooable with Desperado

[urban gull]

THEY NAMED YA GANG LEADER AFTER UNDERTALE

[kind zodiac]

sarcasm?

[south crane]

we have a problem, i think i know why the water cartel was so stingy

[glacial gyro]

And?

[exotic citrus]

Omg why does chem toxin does so much damage? I feel like it can melt even bosses with the right set up.

[south crane]

Ah im sure we can import some water from off world

[kind zodiac]

sarcasm?

[manic wolf]

Not at all, one of the first things i considered myself. Free reloads on a weapon that struggles against exactly zero targets? Could be gud

[high gull]

No like it unironically slaps hard

[main wagon]

No, literal. It can work. Couple folks were chatting about it yesterday actually lol

[high gull]

It's fucking insane what you can do with it

[glacial gyro]

The node that gives ammo if it kills an elite below 20% ammo = free needle pistol ammo forever

[main wagon]

[meager bane]

DOT does not count towards desperado kills in close range

[main wagon]

Everybody to Glass lol

[odd jetty]

Blue mode, infinite ammo, super fast reloads. Pretty good

[manic wolf]

Yup, p'much, im on a needle pistol setup atm an im considering spending points for Pickpocket

[rare grotto]

does the time extension thing work though with the DoT? feels like it'd kill too slow to keep desperado up

proly good for bosses though

[manic wolf]

Not a huge problem, you're still getting 10s of free ammo on a gun that can wipe anything out the match

[south crane]

Now show me some builds

[odd jetty]

Pickpocket is good on all builds.

[kind zodiac]

not a big fun of this gun

[novel oracle]

why

[candid flax]

I kind of am, if it were more ammo efficient

[manic wolf]

Yeah, but the class is very backloaded for damage, so there are a lot of competative choices at the bottom of the tree

[livid raven]

it's very ammo efficient

[muted heath]

not huge armor solutions?

[kind zodiac]

yeah

[candid flax]

Genuinely don't see a reason not to run the double pistols or needle pistol all the time

[manic wolf]

Im on Rampage/Adrenaline with dips into Chem tree for bonus' atm, not sure its even worth going for Pickpocket given the potential melee DPS loss, maybe on another build

[hot moth]

is it a total ammo pool issue or a kills-per-reload issue

[candid flax]

ammo pool

[hot moth]

get pickpocket and literally all your problems wiht total ammo pool disappeaer on scum

[steel granite]

Wats best melee with rampage build? Screwing around with a tacaxe cuz you know funny mash m1 but was wondering

[livid raven]

it has like 10 reloads

[hot moth]

it's such an extraordinarily busted node

vets are malding

[novel quest]

ngl once you get good at the "bob and weave" aspect of this class, and especially once you have a fully realized build, it goes less from "glass cannon" to just "cannon"

[steel granite]

TBF without that node ranged hive scum kinda dies

[manic wolf]

Rashad, as it usually is for melee builds lol, but Taxe as still Stier

[novel oracle]

i mean tac axe is up there cuz bm and hyperviolence fuck so hard

and taxe is fast enough to make massive use of the 1s duration

[hot moth]

i'm personally on the bonesaw train

[manic wolf]

Also good crit chance so you can proc Coated all the time

[rapid mango]

well to be fair, youre still glass.... just, harder to hit glass

[hot moth]

even with JUST wrath blessing and zero cleave nodes you can apply dot stacks to an extraordinarily high number of poxwalkers that proceeds to kill them

[summer loom]

do we know which nodes are still bugged?

[atomic quiver]

Sans undertale ass class

[novel oracle]

but shock and awe is higher value than wrath

[novel quest]

oh yeah you definitely have to move like prime Mike Tyson to get the most out of the class, but like... gunner resist curios be damned my man can move

[rapid mango]

speaking of

if only

[glacial gyro]

Welp, that was expensive

[rapid mango]

they'd put STALKERS and SHOTGUNNERS on there my LORD

[novel quest]

I got one like 3 rolls in😭😭😭

[rapid mango]

gunners are easy, shotgunners are easy, stalkers are fuckin EVERYWHERE

give me a 10% dmg resist, ill take it

[glacial gyro]

Yeah I got a godroll early so I was coming up from like 80 power

it was, rough

[main wagon]

”Oi Mucker, c’mere. Let me show you something…”

[serene spire]

anyone has troubles unlocking the new campaign penances ? did the new map multiple times on Auric, its just not tracking it

[hot moth]

how does shock and awe interact with the hypercrit node

[main wagon]

[hot moth]

does it work properly

[somber blade]

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-dont-see-it-its-not-illegal-gif-21572951

[rapid mango]

i had no issues i think

[atomic quiver]

I might not main this class after all i dont like dying cuz i moved the wrong way for half a second (yeah i cant play psyker either)

[rapid mango]

let me load up and check

[south crane]

Ah, the old stinky finger

[fast wind]

its funny how I've played 600 around hours and I still am scrabbling for resources

[rapid mango]

do more aurics

havoc also pays very very well

[somber blade]

just play infinite ammo dual uzi build cant die cant fail

[brittle ferry]

never enough

[main wagon]

They’re selling talent points down in Hab Dreyko

[atomic quiver]

Imagine if u played an mmo

[main wagon]

Buy 2 get 1 free

[rapid mango]

speaking of ranged immunity, ran stripped down on my needler, clutched an auric run with that mfer no crits needed, was nice

[somber blade]

how this talent made it through is legit mad

[fast wind]

I think the levelling of hive scum and arbites did it, big cost on the weapon upgrades

[naive imp]

psyker has DR and incredibly easy toughness regen way earlier in the tree than scummy

[novel quest]

what blessings do I want on the needler?

[snow ether]

The playstyle kinda relies on infinite ammo

[vast aspen]

Does uncanny apply to toxin dots?

[somber blade]

1 kill and you got 3 mags back on the uzi legit cant run out

[atomic quiver]

Oh wait i forgot they reworked psyker i havent played it since

[rapid mango]

it technically would, tho not as easy to apply as a psykers soulblaze

[novel quest]

is Gloryhunter Speedload the move?

[snow ether]

Its better to just assume uzi is like flamer staff on that build

[bronze glade]

Psyker is on their third tree. And they've only gotten stronger with each tree

[split halo]

can somebody smart dm and help me figure out what im doing wrong with my scum build i cant send images in this server and nobody explained why

[main wagon]

The alternative would’ve been either giving Scum kinetic Shock Trooper or just forcing everyone to live with them hogging ammo like a recon las zealot, so yeah I’m happy we have this instead

[south crane]

The Mechanicus doesnt want you to know but the Blitz abilities in CLandestium Gloriana are free

[atomic quiver]

That said dependency melee builds are fairly tanky and chill just gotta be more wary of the ranged enemies

[somber blade]

just way higher mobility+ range but ye its very fun and very good

[rapid mango]

nvm i dont have it either

[serene spire]

aight

[rapid mango]

probaly have to do them in actual order

[real dew]

I literally just unlocked that penance

[muted holly]

you actually don't

I have 1st and 3rd done and not the 2nd

[novel oracle]

it should but imo until the melee toughness bug is fixed you shouldnt take hyper crit

[rapid mango]

just specifically campaign and not the maps?

[novel oracle]

nor should you take it with hyper violence

[rapid mango]

because i've done these maps

[high gull]

I couldn't tell you tbh, I'm still learning about what the class can and can't do like everyone else

[rapid mango]

just not the actual campaign menu because excise vault sucks ass

[winter tusk]

is it just me or does the throwing knife special for shivs kinda suck cock

[muted holly]

you have to do the specific campaign missions for it to count

[rapid mango]

thats kinda dumb

[muted holly]

it is what it is

[high gull]

Did you do the story mode version or the regular map rotation version

[novel quest]

I'd like to know abt this please, if anyone knows the ideal blessings and perks for needler

[brittle sierra]

Just use this:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[muted holly]

you can quickplay into basically anything right now

[main wagon]

IMO Nah it’s kinda gnarly even with no tox investment, basically fire and forget one specialist or take half an elite’s health and delete them with a single overhead

I use them on my autopistol dakka build for the mobility and getting desperado back with my stim

[winter tusk]

does kill on contact so it has little value

doesnt*(

[brittle sierra]

Because it isn't nearly as strong as most people think it is

It's peak value comes from havoc games, but the majority of normal games it has little value

[rapid mango]

idk about ideal blessings or perks, but i put unyielding and carapace on mine, because i use shivs with flak maniac, and the toxin DoT works with whatever i switch to to get a dmg boost

[winter tusk]

if im tknifing a special it needs to be dead, not running away with dot

[muted holly]

I find that I rarely use my needle gun at all when playing Rampage mode

[steep vale]

erm. hes right behind me inst he

[novel quest]

it has plenty of value in damnation upwards

[split halo]

how do i set my level its only 23/30

every mission i try fails

[brittle sierra]

Just use 23 talents then

[winter tusk]

also the rocket needs a regen of some sort, make it 90 seconds or something but having people gobbling nades when they regen is fucking ridiculous

[brittle sierra]

If you are wasting that much ammo in your normal games outside of range focus build, you are doing something sinister to your team 💀

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-laughing-laughter-gif-5848246

[winter tusk]

give it a 90 second cooldown with no shortcuts, maybe 120

[rapid mango]

im not ranged focused when i hog ammo, but i AM the boss DPS usually

[split halo]

it wont let me put odd numbers in the weapon stat sliders

[main wagon]

Ngl a couple times I didn’t realize desperado ran out and pissed away a magazine still shooting at some gunners just out of range from where they’d be marked

[brittle sierra]

Tbh, no build in the game is going to make you better at your fundamentals

[high gull]

I meeean...

Arbities is right there

[brittle sierra]

Taking ammo because everyone else will waste it

[winter tusk]

you still have to be able to dodge trappers and shit on arbitrator

[hot moth]

usually you don't get statchecked by a single rifleman

[brittle sierra]

You mean the dog

[hot moth]

when you go for a revive

[rapid mango]

needler go brr honestly

[split halo]

im hoping theres something vital im missing that makes my stuff come off cooldown quicker or take less damage from ranged shots while im trying to mleee stuff before it kills me

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/eyebrows-wink-gif-5753057

[hot moth]

there's a node in bottom center right before keystone that's 20% DR when you have 100% stamina, which when engaging shooters at range will be "almost all the time"

it helps a ton

[rapid mango]

when i died in an h40 earlier today, i compared the plogryns i was there to shoot vs the one the arby was fighting when i was not there to shoot, and oh that looked like a struggle

[brittle sierra]

So let me ask you this

On the top of your head, how many elites or specialists do you kill per game? It doesn't need to be precise

[novel quest]

yea I think unyielding and carapace is the move. I just don't know what the needler likes for blessings. since it can kill elites super fast, I'm inclined to say Gloryhunter is ideal. and then for add clear, Speedload has me covered

because needler mags get dumped fast

[rapid mango]

i took stripped down honestly, because im not running desperado on needler, and i personally find it real nice to have in the back pocket

[novel quest]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[viral crown]

Is Nimble still bugged?

[rapid mango]

it let me get away with dumb bullshit during an auric clutch, because you dont have to worry about ranged long as you sprint slide a bit to maintain stam

[main wagon]

Scum stam regen is so yolked

[manic wolf]

Iirc it was mentioned last night that damage perks do nothing for the Needle Gun

[rapid mango]

it was blight so i was stim supply crate spam for corruption immunity))

[novel quest]

not even for tox?

[rapid mango]

they 100% do

[manic wolf]

I dont think so nah, none of them effect it

[rapid mango]

i guarentee it and can show you if you give me a sec to make a clip

[brittle sierra]

Misinformation tide 😈

[manic wolf]

@novel oracle Was it you who mentioned damage perks being not worth it on Needle Pistol?

[sinful matrix]

I'm just gonna come out an say it. More people need to be using the toughness stim

[muted holly]

oof Scoreboard mod just caused a crash

[sinful matrix]

If you can't dodge the damn attacks, at least have something that gives you toughness back

[odd jetty]

I am pretty sure the damage perks do nothing on the needle pistol. They don't buff the secondary damage

[muted holly]

toughness nodes in the stimm tree only affect toughness from coherency

worthless

[main wagon]

Use PowerDI or check the modding server for the fix for basic scoreboard

[manic wolf]

It does reduce damage taken that side of the stim tree, but not by a lot

[rare idol]

Chem dependency with a CDR stim will make your main ability come off cooldown insanely fast

[manic wolf]

Not worth the extra cooldown imo

[sinful matrix]

Oh, yeah, that part's worthless

but getting 25% of your toughness back is fine

[azure mist]

@high gull we’re discussing crate builds when my ass isn’t working in the next 30 mins

[hot moth]

there's also a fair bit of DR isn't there

[sinful matrix]

I'll take a one minute cooldown for 25% toughness

and yeah, you get 20% DR or something

[novel quest]

YEP the bonus damage does affect tox

just tested

[hot moth]

there was a guy running DR box-share in a group I had

it was very noticeable

[manic wolf]

Its 4% per node iirc

[novel quest]

went from 552 to 501 when taking off 10% to carapace

100% affects tox

[hot moth]

I don't know if it's WORTH committing that much of your build toward

but it was noticeable

[split halo]

idk all of them im dieing to trash mobs that spawn inside me while im reloading or ones with guns while im trying to revive a team mate while my ability is off cooldown

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a084109b-01bf-4701-bb9e-d64ce9081db6/level-23

[rare idol]

Chem box for durability is honestly a good idea rn 😂

[hot moth]

both of those are unironically skillissues

[manic wolf]

Hmm, I'll test it myself in a sec, though im more leaning towards more stam + crit chance atm

[hot moth]

sorry

If you die to melee with your guns out, you messed up

If you even TRY to go for a revive with active aggroed riflemen on the field, you messed up

downed players have a fairly long timer

use your downed teammate as aggro bait while you kill all ranged

[brittle sierra]

What difficulty is this on?

[split halo]

idk how to hit enemies that spawn inside me

like they just appear and im dead

[main wagon]

Scum doesnt quite have a lot of stagger impact like Zealot or Arbites. You can’t frontline as well without being slapped by pox, so you have to slowly concede ground as you kite.

It’s really weird to get used to coming from any weapon that isn’t the combat knife

[bronze glade]

Have a clip?

[winter tusk]

this is probably the worst class to start this game on

[main wagon]

I only say that because combat blade users are used to having dogshit horde clear

[manic wolf]

Imo thats why Blackout grenades are the best Blitz pick; on demand stagger. covers a notable weakness of the class

[rapid mango]

@manic wolf @novel quest

[bronze glade]

Teaches bad habits, made of paper early on

Yup

[hot moth]

I remember arguing with knife zealots that "knife is the best horde clearing weapon in the game"

fun times

[brittle sierra]

Nah it's best so they don't turn into shit players 😈

[sturdy linden]

or the best, if you struggle through. Imagine what a new player who learns their fundamentals on hive scum will be able to do on Psyker / Arbi

[manic wolf]

Doesnt play

Discord being fucky again

[main wagon]

At least before the changes a while back. I think knife is pretty okay now because I’ve seen it rip on Psykers

[novel quest]

ye I just tested it myself

[winter tusk]

its good if you can get practiced, but its gonna be the absolute definition of trail by fire

[high gull]

Sure

[novel quest]

100% it impacts tox dmg

[high gull]

I need more crate gamers to feedback off of

[main wagon]

My old laptop still has a meme someone made around launch that went something like, “Look look the knife zealot isn’t dying! AND NEITHER ARE THE ENEMIES ”

[high gull]

Feels like I'm the only one

[manic wolf]

I remember that meme Old but gold

[winter tusk]

Psyker/scum are terrible learner classes, you can still learn them and do well, but its gonna be death after death after death for A WHILE

[main wagon]

My buddy wants to like the crate but he said it seems counterintuitive to run it with dependency

[hot moth]

how is crate + max viscosity stim (but sample collector)

[high gull]

I need to rewatch the video, some guy managed to get the needler to do like 1031 dmg per tick

[main wagon]

I haven’t really felt the need to toxmaxXx yet so I can’t weigh in myself

[hot moth]

it's completely dysfunctional with dependency yeah

because if you fuck up once and drop your crate before you manually stim

[high gull]

Chem nades + needler with blue aoe tox explosions

[high gull]

You're sailing

[hot moth]

to be fair you don't need those for box

[sinful matrix]

As long as Desperado remains the way it is, it won't be me unfortunately

[high gull]

You don't true

But chem nades are like

Why wouldn't you pick them

[hot moth]

because blinders

[high gull]

Ehhhhhh

[sinful matrix]

Blinders are infinite

[brittle sierra]

Because they don't replenish

[hot moth]

blinders are consistent and fast deploy

they get you out of so many situations

[brittle sierra]

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk 🧍🏻

[manic wolf]

An they stagger stuff, which you're hard pressed to do on this class

[sinful matrix]

I use chem nades as an "Oh fuck" button

[hot moth]

chem nades shut off an entire side though

[main wagon]

Pocket sand is dope but have you heard of the soup can?

Did you know

[hot moth]

amazing "we are not dying to this horde" button

[sinful matrix]

because absolutely deleting hordes for 20 seconds or whatever is really dumb

[main wagon]

DID YOU KNOW

[high gull]

The long lasting effect of chem nades aswell

That's why I love them so much

[main wagon]

SCUM CAN SPIN THE SOUP CAN LID

[sinful matrix]

There's arguments for and against blinders

[versed spruce]

Heavying a shotgunner in the head with shivs and they don't stagger

[sinful matrix]

I think they're equally as viable as chem nades

[novel quest]

what situations have you guys found aoe Fentgun rounds to be useful?

[sinful matrix]

they just do different things

[high gull]

Mass chaff

[sinful matrix]

Chem nades are going to be great in havocs for controlling horde sizes

but they are limited

[split halo]

not atm but i can probably get one

[glacial gyro]

IM GOING TO RIP MY OWN HEAD OFF

OUT OF MEMORY

[hot moth]

if for some reason you're at a long distance from hyperconcentration (because a teammate is holding up horde at the back, for example)

[sinful matrix]

Ogryn nuke runs into the same issue

[hot moth]

you can drop a clip of aoe needles into it and get some dank value

[tender marten]

alright about to do mk7 taxe w/the overkill shit my expectations are high

[hot moth]

main problem isn't ammo efficiency (you have pickpocket) but rather the swap to and then back off of the alt fire mode

[high gull]

Pop a couple of shots into chaff with it and watch as sample collector brings my 75s cooldown to near instant use

[manic wolf]

In al fairness, Blackouts can do the same thing, just to a lesser degree due to Pockt Toxin

[high gull]

I've had instances where I've gotten my stimm back before the effect ends

It's not consistent cause I mean you're competing with others for kills

But man

[main wagon]

Disable ur mods stinky

[hot moth]

HUH

[glacial gyro]

NO

[hot moth]

i thought CD only started after it expired

[high gull]

Chem box

[hot moth]

sample collector gives you progress even as stim is ticking?

[novel quest]

god sample collector is so busted, especially with crowbar and tox crits perk

[hot moth]

oh

right

[main wagon]

I only get that error when running weapon customization specifically

[high gull]

If you drop a chembox while a stim is active the cooldown instantly begins

[glacial gyro]

Yeah I don't have that on, checking for updates manually is too tedious

[sinful matrix]

yeah this seems pretty good

[brittle ferry]

note to self, dodging past reapers doesnt help, they can just rotate like a CWIS and gun you down

[main wagon]

I can run dozens of other stuff (naturally not right after a big update) but only get crashes with weapon customization

[past light]

can you dump stability on the needle pistol?

[main wagon]

So I just avoid it

[high gull]

It is

[sinful matrix]

and this is why I'm using the combat axe on hive scum

[novel quest]

it's amazing

[hot moth]

you can dump literally everything except Ammo stat tbh

[sinful matrix]

the special attack staggering everything is pog

[high gull]

I always reccomend SC for a tox build

[azure mist]

Yeah always respect reapers

Safer to kill at range

[sinful matrix]

I'm going pretty much full left side for desperado stuff.

[hot moth]

reapers are why blinders

[main wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277023186902585420/1414346844804481145/7yc1ggmmouif1.gif

[high gull]

My dual macs desperado says otherwise.

[sinful matrix]

Being immune to ranged attacks is hilarious

[hot moth]

when you get the dreaded "reaper that walks out of a door shooting" spawn

[sinful matrix]

it's just old vet

[hot moth]

BLINDER

[brittle ferry]

i hope they fix the hit box for the dual shivs, and also make it so reapers cant just 180 in a microsecond

[main wagon]

Me with my autopistols

[sinful matrix]

AND I get infinite ammo

[azure mist]

F + M1 combo

[main wagon]

I’m playing pyro again

[sinful matrix]

nuh uh

you gotta sprint sometimes

and dodge melee attacks every now and again

[glacial gyro]

As an ogryn player I am fucking furious

[broken bear]

god the desperado and shivs fuck

[sinful matrix]

it's not JUST m1 gameplay :p

[brittle ferry]

no, its just shade and handmaiden mixed from VT2

[main wagon]

(My secondary was bound to F/E instead of M2)

[novel quest]

also the Fentgun is so, so, so, so good as a supplement to Rampage melee builds. I can take cover, pop out, and kill enemies at every range possible

[high gull]

Something I wish I had clarity on

Do stimms stack

Like if you pop your stimm

And I box you with mine

[novel quest]

the Fentgun makes me crap myself y'all I'm ngl

[hot moth]

i thinnnnnnnnnnnnk what it is, is that each line of the stim is a unique buff

[novel quest]

it's too good

[hot moth]

if that makes sense?

[main wagon]

Me with the akimbo weapons

[hot moth]

from the buff icons

[brittle ferry]

can we get akimbo katanas?

[sinful matrix]

Desperado, DAP, Combat Axe for me(Antax because I'm different[I just like that the stagger special is instant])

[hot moth]

Like you can't stack the same part of the stimm twice, but if I have a stim that does attack speed and you have a stim that does damage, we can combine those on one player

but you can't double stack a stimm effect

[high gull]

So in theory if you ran 4 boxes with each branch maxed out. You could technically get max buffs from each branch if you coordinated it properly.

[main wagon]

I was really expecting simultaneous gun + melee wielding but I’ll gladly take the dualies from Counter Strike Source

Scum has been such a blast

[sinful matrix]

I wish the pistols made a bit more sense

[hot moth]

yeah, but at that point, just have two people running box, and even then strong argument to not bother with CDR stim

[sinful matrix]

Dual Pistols are in a weird spot for me

[main wagon]

Being space 1911’s or?

[sinful matrix]

DAP works better, objectively, with desperado

[high gull]

I mean the CDR would be good for non-sample collector users

[sinful matrix]

But I suppose the DPs work better if you're not going desperado

[hot moth]

the flex option of the revolver ocelot gunspinning mode

[bronze glade]

That's the main use of them imo

[hot moth]

have fun trying to kill trainyard snipers with DAPs

[main wagon]

Tbh I feel like stubs will have a higher skill ceiling than autopistols, but autopistols are going to be Scum’s purg staff

[bronze glade]

Outside of desperado

[cerulean geode]

Honestly I can't wait for it to stop being all Hive Scum on heresy quickplay

[livid raven]

it's not difficult at all

[cerulean geode]

People keep dying

[livid raven]

it has pinpoint accuracy for the first shots

[cerulean geode]

Like 5 minutes in and everyone just died

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, they're like the brautos

the first 3-4 shots have perfect accuracy

[hot moth]

i call BS on that

i have a crosshair mod

and those shots ain't hitting bro

[livid raven]

ehrm

skill issue

[amber sundial]

have you tried just shooting better

[glacial gyro]

I present to you LocoMotive, hits hard and goes fast

[sinful matrix]

my stimm lab

It may not do much, but it works for me

that extra toughness comes in handy

[ancient basin]

anyone else tried sustained fire on the dual stubs?

[random shuttle]

Yall using some weak Crack

😏

[hot moth]

I was having fun with 15 second 4% DR stimbox

[ancient basin]

seems pretty solid to me

[turbid fulcrum]

Is there a list of things that actually affect the Needlers toxin damage? I know that the weapon perks do and the +10% toxin damage works as intended too. Anything else?

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-breaking-bad-he-can't-keep-getting-away-with-this-gif-14563986899194469544

[hot moth]

very silly

[glacial gyro]

panic toughness is fine

[livid raven]

you spend 45 cooldown just to get 25% toughness back?

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, that's all I use it for Krunch

Correct Don

[high gull]

50%

[sinful matrix]

and it works

because I only get hit once every 60 seconds

[hot moth]

it's also a fair amount of lingering DR which lets you continue trading with gunners

[sinful matrix]

but that one hit is always super fuckin spooky

[random shuttle]

Any genera Strenght buffs will buff it too

[tender forge]

so the chemical dependency penance is completely undoable right?

[rose flax]

I just realized vultures push is literally just a passive thing, it's only part of the keystone nodes

[main wagon]

The dichotomy of scum builds in a single clip

[novel quest]

we need to get this person on rehab oh my god

[manic wolf]

Good lord Hyperviolence is disgusting on Taxe

[steep goblet]

Blickys go brrrrrr

[high gull]

@azure mist This was the setup I ran when you were one shotting everything

[rose flax]

What's your build?

[sinful matrix]

All I'm saying is that the stimm lab should be modified in a way that you feel comfortable with

It's got a lot of different options, and they're all good

[random shuttle]

Also just checked and yeah. First few rounds from DAP are perfect acc

[sinful matrix]

One tree for each playstyle

[hot moth]

I dunno about 'all'

[sinful matrix]

and as chat as shown, you can go whole hog if you want

[manic wolf]

Rampage, Adrenaline with little dips into skills round right keystone

[hot moth]

CDR is antisynergistic with some builds

[real dew]

ALL the crack

[cunning rain]

So is the key to getting the speedster penance just to use an attack speed boosting stim a lot of times or is there something I’m missing?

[sinful matrix]

Which loops around to "Build it the way you need it"

[hot moth]

now I'm wondering how suppression interacts with it

[sinful matrix]

CDR is good

[amber sundial]

same with pugilist, just use it a bunch

[sinful matrix]

But it might not be good for YOUR specific build

so adjust the stimm lab as necessary

[cunning rain]

Okie

[glacial gyro]

I really like that you can tailor it to do what you need

[candid flare]

CDR if you want to abuse your blitz as often as possible, nit great for melee builds

[sinful matrix]

I like having 25% toughness every 60 seconds, it works for me

Might not work for other people

The beauty of the stimm lab

[manic wolf]

Other than the toughness regen, that shit sucks

[ancient basin]

I agree, toughness stim works surprisingly well

[hot moth]

the funniest use of the cartel stim is the minimum viscosity special for 15 second exploding chemboxes

it's not a GOOD Build

but it's sa fucking FUNNY build

[sinful matrix]

20% DR is really good

[random shuttle]

love name it mod

[sinful matrix]

ew mods

Vanilla darktide is the best :p

(It's totally not because I'm too lazy to update mods)

[manic wolf]

Yeah, that bit of its good, as is the free 25% regain, but the Toughness regen should be 20% of all Toughness you generate, not only coherency toughness imo

[candid flare]

I wish mods on ps5

[random shuttle]

😄

[novel quest]

is Sainted rarity a mod?

[main wagon]

https://youtu.be/rRN08dfQIn8

[random shuttle]

yes

[ashen cape]

i just installed mods yesterday, havent got to renaming anything yet

[main wagon]

Should’ve given us a 40k Tec-9 as the deluxe skin instead of caution tape

Smh my head

[rose flax]

Oh, are you also using swift endurance?

[ashen cape]

I dig it, it matches the rest of the outfit

[steep vale]

the stimm

[main wagon]

“My Ex and Her Ex” for shivs
“Death and Taxes” for the autos

[ashen cape]

lol

[manic wolf]

I am not, I considered it, but Taxe swings fast enough an there is more value from the damage nodes in right side

[rose flax]

How is vultures push for anyone?
Is it this underwhelming?

[main wagon]

It’s all about amusing yourself lmao

[sinful matrix]

needle gun is definitely weird

[high gull]

Where's the cheese?

[muted holly]

you end up getting more out ofI don't see the point

[high gull]

Where's the sauce?

[manic wolf]

@rose flax Thats what i got atm

[steep vale]

wym

[hot moth]

yeah, it just makes what weapons are 500 power clearer

[novel quest]

what is y'all's favorite part about the class right now? I'd say mine is both how unique and 'tacky' it is

[steep vale]

i love the bonesaw

[rose flax]

Oh I haven't tried it yet

[high gull]

Anarchist shitting on Cadians

Ez my fav part

[versed spruce]

I haven't gotten to use it yet but that definitely seems good

[random shuttle]

For me its the fact that people already stop playing it en masse because its Harder than usual 😄

[versed spruce]

Constantly prioritize elite and special at no risk

[hot moth]

You can test in psychanium; it is basicalyl the stagger value of a, guess what, push

[versed spruce]

Oh staggers barely anything

Nm

[hot moth]

it's not a "knock back" aka hardstagger

[ashen cape]

they fit in with the setting and warband of rejects pretty well imo

[versed spruce]

I guess good for keeping chaff off you for exactly 1 second tops

[cunning rain]

That’s especially great yeah, ‘cause now we get to see actual class interactions instead of just ‘so how you doing fellow arbitrator?’

[hot moth]

aka able to interrupt things like elites

[rose flax]

How elf like the class is, has parts of each elf career in vermintide 2, dodge stuff is also fun, shivs are so similar to dual daggers

[hot moth]

it does stagger poxwalkers

but that's really all you can trust it for

and frankly speaking you should not be relying on it for that

[faint fossil]

got paired up with a hivescum with 5 wounds

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[azure mist]

I’m considering making an Adrenaline + Stim Crate with that except shave off that extra toughness and go into more damage and CDR and completely remove speed and weapon speed

[hot moth]

451 IQ play tbh

[rose flax]

Oh right, forgot about that lol, that's still useful though, especially with the needle pistol, I was thinking for horde crowds when I need to shoot a special or something as a scenario anyways

[glacial gyro]

Graia brauto on desperado fucks hard

[real dew]

Seen worse, I've seen an Ogryn with 6 before

[high gull]

was considering

[hot moth]

useless with needle pistol

you'd have to kill with the needle impact (lol)

the DOT damage is not a "ranged attack"

[novel quest]

(451 is the temperature (°F) at which books burn at. This person is calling that player stupid!)

[versed spruce]

Well you see this is actually synergistic because how else will they survive running at the gunner line forty times and getting downed every single one of them

[hot moth]

I did an experiment playing 6 wound ogyrn a bit tbh

[rose flax]

Oh sheet, right, forgot about that
I wonder if that's really fully intentional at this point, since there're two blessings that do nothing because of that

[cunning rain]

Tbh as long as people accept the fact that we’re as squishy as psykers when our buffs aren’t active and we aren’t actively committing mass murder, unlike with other classes, I don’t mind running 2 wounds

[hot moth]

being able to use a spare wound for a large HP refill is actually kind of dank

[outer estuary]

what blessings and perks for the shivs?

[hot moth]

but it's VERY fiddly

[versed spruce]

I would want to take tness curios to help make sure I don't go down as much rather than accept going down

[winter tusk]

I just had a martyrdom ogryn in my game yesterday

[azure mist]

See id run dependency but it’s an anti synergy with Chem crate

[novel quest]

if you can move like Iron Mike, 2 wounds is enough

[azure mist]

So I’d rather not

[cunning rain]

Problem

I am shit

[novel quest]

be un-shit

[rose flax]

Probably trying out the corruption heal talent from stim use kills

[hot moth]

it's not really "anti" synergy, it's just incredibly fiddly to have to remember to use your stim manually BEFORE dropping crate

[novel quest]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[high gull]

Even if chem depen wasn't bugged atm

[faint fossil]

i would have believed it if he didn't die in 3 minuties match start

[inner void]

Can anyone translate this for me?

[faint fossil]

and then quit

[high gull]

It's quicker to just run a needler and chem nades with sample

[rose flax]

Also it only drops by one stack anyways

[novel quest]

25% of health - damage done

[high gull]

And the perk that instantly activates your ability when your stimm comes off CD

[novel quest]

turned into damage

[fast surge]

you keep 25% overkill damage for the next hit

[novel quest]

for one second

[broken moss]

real af. thats the most convoluted and ridiculous perk ive seen

[novel quest]

oh

[hot moth]

If you kill an 1 HP enemy with a 1001 damage attack

You carry over 1001-1=1000
x25%

250 damage is applied as an additive bonus to your next hit

[drifting tangle]

why does the stimm bug out when u try to use it off cdr

[inner void]

Thanks. This is what ChatGPT said but I wanted to make sure it wasn't hallucinating

[hot moth]

i'm not sure how ACTUALLY effective it is

[drifting tangle]

did they test shit

[novel quest]

that. Makes sense

what a convoluted thingy

[novel quest]

useful in hordes

[inner void]

With high cleave it should do some good work

[novel quest]

it do

oh it do

[azure mist]

It is?

[hot moth]

I use bonesaw and I feel like a lot of my targets drop to the DOT

[versed spruce]

ChatGPT can you wipe my ass
thanks

[hot moth]

so I'm not sure how effective that would be

[azure mist]

Cause I did do the stim then crate combo before and it just feels

[inner void]

Doesn't work if you get stimmed by Stimm Supply

[azure mist]

Really awkward

[high gull]

According to Kez, chem dependency worked in the test build

On crate

No idea why it doesn't work now

[azure mist]

So crate doesnt even give buffs atm

Outside of corruption cleanse

Etc

[split lagoon]

After I hit 30, I switched to my zealot and after all this hours with the hive scum I'be realized how much I love not to be killed by everything on one simple mistake

[tender forge]

lmao I need a mission noone is doing

[high gull]

Corruption cleanse is the only buff it gives if you aren't using a stimm

[tender forge]

to grind out my chem dependency

[neon fern]

just do not run stim crate at all

[hot moth]

have you considered simply not making a mistake :^)))))))))))

[jagged radish]

RAAAAAAH SNIPER PISTOLS

[neon fern]

it's just shit overall

[inner void]

it gives buffs but it doesn't trigger the keystone

[azure mist]

OH

[high gull]

Imo crate is kinda meh without stimms

[neon fern]

ur other 2 options are better

[split lagoon]

Yes but the silent trapper didn't agree

[neon fern]

rampge and desper

[versed spruce]

People running the extremely boring ability would be okay if the ability was actually good

[hot moth]

hold on, if you manually stim before dropping crate, does it not distribute the stim

[versed spruce]

Like chorus

[hot moth]

I thought it did

[high gull]

Nope

[versed spruce]

But it's just poopy and bad

[tender forge]

tried to queue into an uprising train, sadly got teammates

[hot moth]

oh lol

[inner void]

I find trickster too clunky to use well, I just brace with RMB

[rose flax]

Sounds like elf slander

[scenic violet]

Have you guys considered that you're bad at the game?

[neon fern]

the best thing u can get out of crate is the part where it explodes

still shit tho

[novel quest]

seems easier than it looks icl

[jagged radish]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-byebye-gif-943587070349455517

[steep vale]

Unironically took me 1 mission

[tender forge]

so its pretty easy if you know what to do

[azure mist]

I’m just gonna wait till a fix which won’t happen lmao

[inner void]

if your stimm is on CD, Stimm Supply does nothing except cleanse corruption

[tender forge]

stay at full stacks of chem dependency for 33 minutes

and then let it drop

[novel quest]

yeah that's easy

[high gull]

Could just run a tox build and use a melee chemist build

[tender forge]

the key part is it has to dorp down below max

or it doesnt count

[burnt barn]

what does mobility do on rashad

[rose flax]

Dodge distance, dodge count, Sprint speed I think

[high gull]

This is what I ran before experimenting

[inner void]

I forked down into this sweet node

[outer estuary]

does tox kills from the needle reward toughness when using the voice of tertium perk

[neat delta]

anyone have a level 20 crowbar build

[terse creek]

I think I’ve seen more people die in this class than I’ve seen psykers, it’s scary

[high gull]

It's filtering players who've adopted bad habits

You can't face tank like a arby or zealot

[terse creek]

Whatever makes you survive and clutch cause god forbid you get a good TEAMMATE , XD

[high gull]

And people just can't fathom that concept

[rose flax]

That's actually a good question
Because pickpocket works, because it's meant for any damage

[cunning rain]

Or are just bad at the game and enjoy playing it anyway

[inner void]

There are actually quite a few decent sustain nodes on the tree if you're not a pro at dodge/block

[hardy maple]

just dont get hit

[high gull]

Trueeee

[hardy maple]

did they hotfix the dodge thing that was happening

[novel quest]

it's an easy skill issue to get over icl

[azure mist]

I bought Hive Scum solely to get my team addicted to Fent

I am denied my purpose

It’s over

[high gull]

Gamer's don't learn from mistakes silly

They just headbutt their problems til it course corrects

[terse creek]

casuals don’t learn from mistakes

Not in this game tho

[versed spruce]

Am I crazy or did the dev blog say something about injecting enemies with a stim that had debuffs on it

[azure mist]

God I love being a Vet main and having a relatively easier time adjusting to Scum

[novel quest]

I think I might evilmaxx this event to master crowbar and fentgun

[versed spruce]

I SWEAR there was something like that in there

[high gull]

Probably referring to the needler

[versed spruce]

Briefly mentioned

[versed spruce]

Oh yeah true

[inner void]

Wait does Hyper-Violence stack/sustain with itself?

[versed spruce]

Not the same though

[cunning rain]

It’s one of the reasons I’m not currently going beyond like the third difficulty, just so that when I fuck up and die, it’s not as detrimental to my team as it would be on higher difficulties, I don’t want to be dead weight

[novel quest]

I'm glad it's filtering people, I'm finally getting good team comps today

[high gull]

I've noticed I've had really good scum players in auric

[novel quest]

I had a taunt ogryn and my life has never been better as a scumbag

[rose flax]

Also it has a distance limit
Unlike veteran

[high gull]

Guess all the really mid ones got slacked into heresy

[novel quest]

actually no scumbags are dying in heresy either

not as of today

[tender forge]

I'm grinding my masteries before heresy

[novel quest]

I think the bad ones are hardstuck malice😭😭😭😭😭

[azure mist]

Reminder scum encourages you to get in their face to be rewarded

[jagged radish]

This class is the most fun I've had in darktide, it's SO MUCH FUN

[high gull]

You don't just buy your mastery?

[jagged radish]

[tender forge]

nah i like experimenting with the weps

and movesets

[high gull]

Fair enough

[azure mist]

If you do not wish to close the gap with ranged

[novel quest]

buy it? you mean scrap like 300 million guns for xp

[azure mist]

I will suggest you join the Guard

[outer estuary]

hell ill take it. use the alt fire on the mark II and get a ton of toughness back if the aoe tox gas works. even if not still free toughness

[high gull]

Like 30/40

No big deal mate

[rose flax]

Would be better if the patch didn't break most enemy behavior

[rose flax]

Buy?

[terse creek]

I appreciate that you are self aware to know when you are holding people back(as IT should be), but you should try once in a while on max difficulty(Aruic Mael then move to H40), to git gud at the game else you will stagnate

[azure mist]

Chat do they know

[jagged radish]

[high gull]

buy guns. upgrade them to green, sacrifice to hadron

[jagged radish]

I haven't noticed, what's up?

[outer estuary]

i had a chaos spawn thrown 2 teammates and myself off of a ledge and insta kill

[novel quest]

why do that when I can doink doink doink doink doink 600 MILLIGRAMS OF FENTANYL HAS ENTERED YOUR SYSTEM HERETICS. YOU HAVE 3 SECONDS LEFT TO LIVE.

[azure mist]

Forgot to mention weapon you’re using

[high gull]

Yes

It must be the same type of weapon for more xp

[fleet lantern]

I'm at 46/66 penances already. I may have a problem.

[azure mist]

Gives more XP for the same weapon

[rose flax]

You've never had silent pox bursters or ones that explode way before they should for example?

[jagged radish]

Ngl I'm so used to pox bursters not making sound when they should I haven't noticed a difference

[outer estuary]

same

[fleet lantern]

A little bit more time spent on my melee build and this will be me soon.

[azure mist]

It’s so over when they fix crate

[high gull]

I blitzed through penances

[azure mist]

It’s so fucking over

[novel quest]

I be takin my time with penances

[high gull]

Crate is already good tho if you use a tox build

[fleet lantern]

I already did all the crate ones. I needed my Show cosmetics.

[outer estuary]

all i got is beat more missions, give certain buffs with stims, heavy attack kills while stimmed, and the penances that rely on those

[azure mist]

Oh I know

[rose flax]

I'm pretty sure that's not a bug unless your really close to the ledge drop, but being thrown out of map is(not death zone)

[azure mist]

I’m just kinda tilted upon learning it doesnt even dispense your stimm type atm or pair with dependency

[jagged radish]

Desperado is so much fun

[novel quest]

btw if you're a crate scum I love you and yes you may marry me. just putting it out there

[rose flax]

Ohh

[novel quest]

ESPECIALLY if you're a toughness regen crate scum

[azure mist]

I tend to do CDR + Toughness + Damage

Toughness being the most focused

[novel quest]

yeah cuz toughness regen goated

[humble turtle]

necromunda fans have doubled since hive scum release, theres now 22 fans of necromunda

[novel quest]

it's a really big help

[azure mist]

A solid 4 to 8 fans

[amber sundial]

yep mhm im definitely a stimm crate user mmm

[terse creek]

AKA, the worst stim tree, AKA, the noob players

[jagged radish]

My stim is CDR only and I use it with desperado for maximum yeehaw uptime

[novel quest]

how it feels when someone with toughness stimm and CDR drops a crate

[sturdy linden]

? The crate is actually good

[azure mist]

Corruption cleanse…….

Yummy yummy!

[fleet lantern]

The crate's good because it forces everyone into coherency, so they all actually benefit from the toughness regen.

[sturdy linden]

Corruption cleanse, cracking out your team

[hot moth]

no, because as long as you're fighting in melee, you don't receive toughness regen from coherency

[terse creek]

Yes, but the toughness tree on stims is ASS, hence makes a bad stim crate

[high gull]

Mfw people are shocked at the prospect of being support builds

[azure mist]

Havoc it’s especially a savior

[high gull]

Smh

[sturdy linden]

Poisoning the enemy in some scenarios if it's a choke

[rose flax]

Use it with chem fortified too

[rapid mango]

probably stacking toxin to max (5 shots from needler), and damage buffs + either custom stim or combat, if i had to guess

[azure mist]

I’ve liked them just so far everything has boiled to

[hot moth]

the regen part of it is unquestionably ass

The DR is legit though

[azure mist]

Kill it

[jagged radish]

Gonna be using dependancy when i get to it

[azure mist]

Theres your support

[rapid mango]

like, i can make the psyker FGS one shot an auric crusher, but its not gonna be all the time

[novel quest]

I love it when I get gobsmacked by a poxburster and someone drops a crate with Toughness. they know what's up

[sturdy linden]

You take it for the DR if you take it

Personally I'd just get the CDR and strength lines

[rose flax]

Good luck

[jagged radish]

[hot moth]

do not take crate + dependency

[fleet lantern]

It's super micro-managey, ngl.

[hot moth]

it doesn't work the way you think it works

[terse creek]

16% DR ain’t gonna save you from a H40 game my guy

[fleet lantern]

And, dropping the crate puts your stimm on cooldown.

[fleet lantern]

TIL, thank you.

[rose flax]

There's two toughness replenishment nodes, but for stim crate, coherency toughness is a big boost

[sturdy linden]

The %age of scum players in H40 a day after launch would be in the decimals

[hot moth]

to add onto this, dropping the crate, uses your stim, but it uses it WITHOUT giving you a dependency stack, DO NOT TAKE THESE TOGETHER

[sturdy linden]

[narrow dagger]

fuck dmg resistance rawdog it all

just dont get hit

[fleet lantern]

I did the penance running both and I do not recommend it, lmao.

My beloathed.

[terse creek]

The DR tree was used before released cause Tbf, that shit was stupid OP until fatshark changed it

Now it’s, eh, trash

[flint granite]

why do the shrines make cash register sounds

[jagged radish]

💸 💸 💸 💸

[terse creek]

Yeah but are you really going to have spare time to sit and regen your toughness? No, not really

[narrow dagger]

we cashout prayer points

[sturdy linden]

Ecclesiarchy asking for donations in the name of the Emperor

[rose flax]

?
The stim crate requires being in proximity(even with the talent that makes it last outside) of it, therefore others will be there too

You'll be there regardless for anything else

[hot moth]

again you don't receive coherency regen when in melee

[terse creek]

……you don’t regen from coherence unless your out of combat dude