hivescum-class

[lean perch]

I get that, I think I’m okay having slightly less consistency on damage output for higher peak burst dps for those super sticky situations

[low harbor]

It’s just facing extremely tough competition

[glacial gyro]

I think its a planet

[dusk robin]

Honestly the Shivs are super fun and the duel stub pistols are amazing

[astral canyon]

combat axe

[glossy niche]

He needs to lose some weight then

[tranquil fjord]

hypercritical or hyper violence for melee

[glossy niche]

I think it's kinda odd that scum can't use the recon lasgun

[low harbor]

There’s not much in the game that can compete with 1 hit kill rager with light atk

And hvs gets +48% atk speed for Rashad which is crazy

[lilac crystal]

i only use rashad now on HS

[azure mist]

Las weapons are more a “Guard” thing

[low harbor]

They get literally everything needed to make Rashad as broken as possible

[glossy niche]

Zealot uses them too

And zealots are like

Just about as homeless as hivescum

[azure mist]

Which isn’t unusual to see Zealot or Psyker with because they’re employed within the guard

[lean perch]

Tac axe on hive scum goes pretty nuts with all the crit and finesse on top of hyper critical

[oak bramble]

buff lasweapons

[outer estuary]

for the penances to get a certain % of strength/speed/toughness does the buff applied to teammates via the stim supply count?

[azure mist]

I was getting to that

[manic wolf]

Snipers and not playing audio-cues ¬.¬ Ahhhhh

[vast aspen]

Should I keep using crowbar for a Rampage Chem Depen build, or should I switch to Shivs or the Saw?

[low harbor]

Tac axe is good but that dps loss vs Rashad is crazy

[azure mist]

Scum is like known for using scrap weapons

Hence they use auto weapons

[random shuttle]

damn

my first game without scum in

scum fell off real quick XD

[glossy niche]

Idk what position zealots would really have in the imperium

They all just seem like crazy homeless people that are super religious

[azure mist]

Filtering out people lmao

[vast aspen]

It is a very high execution class lol

[azure mist]

Morale, And the Ecclesiarchy

[lean perch]

Agreed tac axe just feels like better defense with the op stagger push attack, and Rashad moveset is also just stale

[gritty elk]

Man

[azure mist]

They exist to make sure your faith is still intact

[dusk robin]

Crazy religious homeless person vs crazy gangster homeless person

[gritty elk]

Just wanting 3x +3 stamina curios

I wanna be fried with attack speed

[obsidian crown]

personally scum's gonna be my new main for a whiile

[covert lagoon]

okay i got one build i gotta try. Chem dependency with sideskill that gives critchance, crits putting toxin on enemies and every crit chance increase skill under the sun

[dim moth]

hey this sounds like the build I use

[glossy niche]

Are any of the voices ministorum priests? Agitator and fanatic just seem like they were more on the local side of things

[dim moth]

I use it with flesh tearer shivs so my crit light attacks one shot ragers from the DoT

very amusing

[covert lagoon]

and with shivs?

[lean perch]

Shivs with crit and toxin chews through everything, take the stimm cooldown on kill and you’ll be popping your stimm nonstop too

[dim moth]

yeah

[covert lagoon]

hell yea

[vast aspen]

What CA do you use?

[dim moth]

stabby boys

[dim moth]

stimm box

[azure mist]

I’d argue the closest youll get is Judge to be a Munitorum deployed one but it’s also dependent on how you built your characters back story (fun)

[lean perch]

Haven’t tried the cleave shivs yet, how do they compare to stabby ones?

[dim moth]

would prob be better with rampage but I don't care

[azure mist]

But that’s the main reason why they have access to Las weapons

[dusk robin]

How is the needle pistol? Not unlocked it yet

[dim moth]

well their lights are faster, and they have a less convenient strikedown heavy (after push attack)

and they get sweepy heavies that are...okay

but attack speed overwhelmingly favors light attacks, and god does scum have attack speed

[glossy niche]

Well I said recon lasgun specifically cuz its high fire rate kinda fits the scum playstyle more than the regular infantry one, I could see them wanting to use one for that reason

[livid raven]

aren't they just worse mk1

[rose flax]

light attacks are faster?

[stoic halo]

people seem to convienently forget that things like living saints exist and faith has been seen to have very tangable effects over real events. Not to mention that ever since the universes butthole opened wide that influence that faith has seems to be getting stronger.

[mighty belfry]

Noticeably yes.

[dim moth]

the light chain for sweepy knives is faster yes

[mighty belfry]

You just lose out on the burst potential of the stabby shivs.

[glossy niche]

Nobody was disputing that lol

[dim moth]

not completely

you still have access to the stab heavy which is the better of the 2 strikedown heavies

[frigid thorn]

For this Penance, is it better to take the Replenish +25% toughness node or the +20% toughness regen final node?

[dim moth]

you just have to do push attack to access it

[dim moth]

25% toughness easily

[frigid thorn]

It counts for the penance yeah?

[dim moth]

that toughness regen is getting you nowhere

I'd fuckin' hope so

[gritty elk]

I think it does

[fringe marten]

i thought i woudnt like the needle pistol that much but i think this might be my favoite gun in the game actually

[frigid thorn]

sounds good lmao

[spark gyro]

What are the blessings everyone is using for Shivs? If going for a crit toxin build.

[stoic halo]

every time someone debates the power level of zealot in regards to other things included in darktide everyone just seems to take the angle of "untrained crackhead with nothing special going on"

[gritty elk]

Idk if the 50% toughness from chemical dependency keystone applies to that penance tho

[rose flax]

non weak spot bleed and haymaker

[dreamy rover]

Is hypercritical bugged?

[vast aspen]

Is the cocktail regen actual toughness or is it the coherency toughness bs?

[glacial gyro]

Behold, a loyal imperial citizen

[dim moth]

coherency :)

[rose flax]

How so?

[rose flax]

coherncy

[azure mist]

Why I’ve always seen Zealot from being different entirely from Scum

[spark gyro]

Okie dokie, smokie.

[vast aspen]

Fuck my stupid cartel scummer life

[glossy niche]

I wasn't debating their power I was saying none of the ones we have afaik are ministorum priests that would actually be working with guardsmen prior to getting stuck on the tancred bastion

[fringe marten]

i love my beautiful cartel scummer life

[young herald]

it's bugged in that if it procs, it breaks the melee toughness generation talent and you stop generating toughness from it. The talent itself works fine though, afaik

[lean perch]

I really wish hive scum could hold regular stimms on top of their special stimm, popping ability+red stimm+cartel special would be so fun. I keep waiting for a chance for my teammate to pop me with a red stimm but it’s hard to line things up

[grand jewel]

what the fuck

[torpid cloud]

anyone got some pointers on what to put on the infantry autogun? UNyielding is good for boisses i heard

[glacial gyro]

bro/sis can wave around a relic that causes chaos daemons to physically recoil

And people say we don't have a sister of battle class

[mighty belfry]

....

[glossy niche]

I was playing vet earlier and my poor scum teammate had to ask someone to pop a leftover medical stim on them on the elevator

[grand jewel]

tanner alt

[dusk robin]

Not being able to use med stimms is a big downside to Scum for sure

[stoic halo]

fr.

[azure mist]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-oerms-gif-perms-gif-12167956025791646335

[glacial gyro]

Alternately let scum use map stimms on pickup

[grand jewel]

you can just not use your custom stim

[mighty belfry]

Like, genuinely no disrespect but uh, is that bait?

[azure mist]

Me showing the Scum the med Stim they can’t use

[dusk robin]

I mean yeah, it just sucks you can't have your custom one and pick up stimms

[shadow umbra]

what blessings should i pair with shock and awe on the saw?

[dreamy rover]

Or atleast give us a healing option in stimlabs

[lean perch]

That’s my one gripe esp in havoc with blight spreads. Cant pick up a green stimm to clear my corrupted wound. Just gotta hope your teammate stimms you instead of themselves lol

[azure mist]

Cause it would be overpowered as fuck

[glacial gyro]

this would be a very bad idea

[obsidian crown]

ammo jack or blessed stim? Thoughts?

[glossy niche]

I try to always reserve meds for whoever is in need of it most

[glacial gyro]

stand in the checkpoint room for five minutes healing everyone to full

[naive imp]

how do we feel about blinder grenades so far, they seem pretty fun

[stoic halo]

decimator or wrath depending on what you want to do. decimator for light spam and wrath for heavy cleave.

[odd jetty]

Does Blessed Stimms work?

[glossy niche]

I almost never see people using regular stims besides med stims tbh

[chrome cloud]

what are the dumb stats for shivs and ozzys?

[dreamy rover]

Works well with pocket toxin

[naive imp]

shivs makes me feel like im playing elf again, it grosses me out

[high gull]

I love how I don't even need context

I already know this is about a healing node on the stimm crate

[near vine]

On the Bone Saw "Decapitator" blessing, what does it mean by One-Shot?

[stoic halo]

overshadowed by the obviously nuts chem nades, but extremely good for stim/toughness regen and area controll

[stoic halo]

you have to kill the enemy in one swing

[astral canyon]

on the stimm lab

[astral canyon]

more specifically from full hp to 0 in one instance of damage

[near vine]

Ahhh gotcha thank you

[pearl ore]

chatting in character as scum is fun

[fringe marten]

i feel that as much as people are going to repeat ad infinitum that chem nades are the best thing in the game that they work really well as a stagger tool for when you wanna get into or out of the fray, or just want some nice breathing room
even better if you have chem application on blitz, becoming very fast thrown mini chem nades

[stoic halo]

this is better wordage @near vine

[past stump]

The regen on blackout is also massive.

[pearl ore]

you cant shout pocket sand when you throw a chem, blinding grenades stay winning

[fringe marten]

theyre more utility than damage (unless chem on blitz), but they actually do a good job at being utility unlike alot of other utility blitzes I think

[chrome cloud]

is mobility a good dumb stat for melee weapons?

[high gull]

The main issue is, like everything in game. It enables bad players ease of use.

[astral canyon]

yes

[high gull]

So it's always gonna be a widely picked blitz unless it changes.

[past stump]

Generally yes.

[fringe marten]

okay, so does all of your stat points, your point bein'?

[pearl ore]

oh sure pick on the special ed stat

[near vine]

Yep i got the gist of it, it seems worth it? Like good for killing trash mobs and then focus on heavies with it?

[astral canyon]

no

its shit

any chip damage completely turns it off

vet shredders, psyker/zealot flames, etc etc

[fringe marten]

being a good player isn't about subtraction and making use of nothing
its about being able to utilize tools the game DOES give you effectively

[pearl ore]

oops I thought your name was Buff Ilias and hoo boy were you in for a rum fueled rant

[fringe marten]

if you want something that genuinely reinforces bad habits look at vulture's dodge

[high gull]

I mean do they tho?

[astral canyon]

who?

[high gull]

You've got pretty dog shit builds out there and people complaining the character is trash.

[pearl ore]

dont worry about it

[fringe marten]

as much as any other blitz in the game does yeah

[near vine]

Wait so it actually has to be from 100% to 0? Can't be an already damaged enemy?

[astral canyon]

yes

that is what i said

full hp to 0 in one instance of damage

[pearl ore]

you also gotta figure, close up shooting/dodging isnt a skill alot of builds fosters

[near vine]

Damm that is disappointing

[pearl ore]

unless you're a feak ass gimmick build or certain types of gunker its not a thing people are used to leaning into

growing pains and all that

[past stump]

Does stopping power actually do anything on the needle pistol?

[pearl ore]

arby translates easy, theres like a bajillion block, fill toughness, beat the fuck out of someone builds

[sturdy linden]

Nah

[lean perch]

For how squishy HS can sometimes be, I don’t mind how strong the chem nades are esp since HS doesn’t have gamebreaking nade regen like vet/arby. I just want boom bringer to have more shots because it’s so funny to shoot an elite pack from across the map. Super clutch if someone is caught away from the team too

[sturdy linden]

Half the stats on the weapon are pointless

[pearl ore]

im sure all 6 gun zealot players are eating

[outer estuary]

is there a reason to use the pocket toxin perk when using the tox nades?

[pearl ore]

themeing

[hallow osprey]

ignoring the Geneva Convention

more than usual

[pearl ore]

can we take a second

to appreciate the needle pistol

[high gull]

No

[amber sundial]

not really

[astral canyon]

i can give a second

[pearl ore]

and how it basically is lore accurate to how dangerous it should be

when 9/10 games versions of something like that would inflict like

10% poison damage a turn, so its balanced

[high gull]

I hope one day we can buy Howlette's

But that's a hope

[wraith echo]

feels like pocket toxin shoulda just been a left blitz modifier node

[pearl ore]

when the lore says they are coated in fuck you warcrime toxins

[worn gull]

Going from lvl 20 to 30 is such a survivability bump lol

[lean perch]

All your survivability is in a clump at the bottom of the tree lol

[winter tusk]

jesus fuck man, hadrons menu needs the ability to mark multiple weapons for upgrade at one time

this is too much clicking

[pearl ore]

ha

[worn gull]

Also I'm sure it's not gonna be meta but inspiring barrage is just dumb on desparado. Full toughness every couple seconds

[rare idol]

spam rampage on cooldown while doing tons of drugs is great

[pearl ore]

as I think the only last person who liked the old crafting system

[rare idol]

i love the cdr for stims trait, very funny

[fringe marten]

i love pickpocket needle pistol

[paper quiver]

do you like the new DLC character what do you guys think about it?

[pearl ore]

you should be on your knees worshiping hadrons generosity

[bronze glade]

Wat

[glossy niche]

Abs

[amber sundial]

its cool and powerful but squishy when you do get hit

[hallow osprey]

They need a passive toughness regen perk :|

[worn gull]

Stim cdr feels like a given on most builds. 20%str, 20%atk speed, plus your choice of crit or rending. It's bonkers.

[pearl ore]

I was was jury rigging builds into close range dodge gun and dot application before, now im here

[torpid cloud]

whaqts the general consensus on the stub pistols?

[paper quiver]

mmmmm so sexy right?

[hallow osprey]

Fun :)

[pearl ore]

I would let the dev fuck me if I could get it on psyker id let them do it bare

[torpid cloud]

thats some glowing praise

[winter tusk]

anyone know good perks for dual stubs/mk1 shivs?

[lusty lichen]

Dual autopistol with speed load + run n gun is so fun.

[worn gull]

I like em as a backup on melee build. Needle gun probably better at what they do though. Wouldn't run it on desparado.

[pearl ore]

I would also pay a dlc upcharge, whichever came first

[loud surge]

if i dont use the stimm lab and brought stimm supply would it use the effects of stims i pick up?

[torpid cloud]

why not?
ive been experimenting with the infantry autogun and i dont really like it fsr

[loud surge]

oh that changes everything thank youu

[pearl ore]

I need to level other things but i cant stop doing stub runs

[dusk robin]

Easily my favorite guns in the game

[glossy niche]

Does that mean it turns med stims into medkits

[paper quiver]

the performance is broken by the update for my hardware making the game unplayable for me rn

[lean perch]

I don’t think healing stimm works though

[worn gull]

Because autopistols kill most things faster at most ranges

[pearl ore]

have you tried the experimental build ?

[amber sundial]

it just makes it act like med stim for whole team

not liked a medicrate

[pearl ore]

it runs even when the game is broken to fuck

[loud surge]

does it sstill use it up?

[amber sundial]

yea

[ornate sorrel]

is there nothing on the hive scum tab of Vestures or am I bugging out?

[amber sundial]

crate uses up any stim you have equipped

[paper quiver]

seems kinda lame

[pearl ore]

"try the experimental build, toss cTYPtKTsfMDsLHAV in the beta tab of properties"

[amber sundial]

there is

[brittle sierra]

Wait can I give my team healing stimm?

[amber sundial]

yea

[worn gull]

20% as 20% str and 15% rending for the whole team is nuts though?

[amber sundial]

it works as if you just jabbed them normally if they walk into the crate

even if you dont have the fast acting stims

[brittle sierra]

Wait no ur lying this can't be 🤯

Wait is stimmless the new build 💀

[steep hatch]

For the Enhanced penance do you have to have toughness damage or does it not matter if you pump stim while on full toughness?

[amber sundial]

gotta be hurt first

[worn gull]

Chem dependency needs to trade which nodes give crit and cdr, and the crate needs to give dependency stacks. That's all the right tree needs for now.

[lean perch]

Really? Didn’t work when my team tried it in Havoc

[hallow osprey]

Needle gun plus desperato should have infinite pen so I can share my heroin with everyone

[amber sundial]

then ive been lied to

[grand jewel]

all have to be in the AOE when the crate is placed

does not work afterwards

only on activation

[chrome cloud]

what are the dumb stats for dual stubs and dual autopistols?

[manic wolf]

Mobility

[worn gull]

Its the usual

[grand jewel]

damage

[odd jetty]

speedload for sure

[steep hatch]

chat i have one point to spend what should i get

[chrome cloud]

aight ty, just rolled a good one with that dumb stat

[brittle sierra]

Is this a full 30 tree?

[steep hatch]

no lol

i'm level 22

[manic wolf]

Pocket Toxin

[brittle sierra]

That's a very strange priority

[lean perch]

Interesting…HS as a med servitor…

[steep hatch]

counterpoint i have no idea what i'm doing and i'm just focusing on penances

[brittle sierra]

You missed 2 of the most important nodes in the entire tree

[steep hatch]

do tell

[bleak moon]

needle gun dump stat?

[amber sundial]

damage

[bleak moon]

guess its because we only care about poison

[grand jewel]

realizing someone is new to a class challenge

[amber sundial]

the gun does 30 dmg.

[grand jewel]

stability

[amber sundial]

damage is not doing ANYTHING

[steep hatch]

no it's fine, but i do wanna know what they are lol

i do plan on using pocket toxin when i'm not using boom bringer anymore - when i switch back to blinders

[brittle sierra]

Woah they are new

I never would have guessed 🤯

[lean perch]

Kinda messes me up with the delayed damage

[grand jewel]

clearly by your lack of brainpower when "educating" them

🫃

[steep hatch]

ok but what are the two important perks

[outer estuary]

tbh if you get one as a mission reward that has mobility 60 you might as well keep it

[brittle sierra]

Sorry all of my brain power I lost via stimm addiction 😈

Don't need it

[torpid cloud]

I tend to run out of ammo with rhose

Then again that's prolly cause I keep tryna use only my guns I recon

[brittle sierra]

Perks? I don't see any weapons or curios

[steep hatch]

funny guy

important nodes*

[fringe marten]

as long as you have pickpocket and youre not like, spraying at everything that moves you should be fine if you have a max ammo roll to not use melee at all

[amber sundial]

heavily recommend getting these 2 talents tbh

[steep hatch]

[brittle sierra]

Oh you mean the talent nodes

[manic wolf]

Is it just me or is the Gunslinger aura totally pointless due to Pickpocket's existence?

[fringe marten]

gunslinger allows you to benefit with small ammo bumps from your team picking up ammo while you dont need to

[livid raven]

it's not just you

[zealous ravine]

look at this guy

[fringe marten]

giving you freedom to use a little more ammo than you wouldn't have otherwise

[hallow osprey]

I like sharing with everyone :)

[manic wolf]

I know what it does, but you've already got infinite ammo, it just seems kinda superflous

[fringe marten]

without detrimenting youur team

[livid raven]

pickpocket gives you total freedom to use ammo

[glacial gyro]

gta 6 screenshots look wild

[fringe marten]

you have unlimited ammo, not infinite

[brittle sierra]

Yeah not taking tis but a scratch and burst of energy is a big problem in higher levels

[zealous ravine]

gta 6 if it was awesome

[grand jewel]

god I hate it when I have teammates that could benefit from something I could take

[manic wolf]

Give teammates 10% of ammo you pick up or give teammates all the ammo pickups to themselves.. seems like kinda a no brainer

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-fat-hobbit-stupid-fat-hobbit-sam-gif-5873179470094444156

[fringe marten]

also it isnt about having ammo or not, its about being able to expend ammo you wouldn't otherwise have in situations that it might improve your odds in

[livid raven]

so yeah it's pretty bad

i'd avoid it

[hallow osprey]

The other auras are just lame so I went with ammo one

[fringe marten]

yeah what im saying is, all of your teammates get the ammo pickups but you still benefit by gaining a good chunk of ammo at absolutely zero cost

[amber sundial]

i hate how the penance for it works too

[torpid cloud]

Prolly cause im still leveling my scum

Don't have dependency yet for the cdr on my ability

[livid raven]

extra crit is good

[zealous ravine]

one of the auras should been stimm duration fr

[brittle sierra]

GI is the best aura for Havoc

But outside of that it doesn't really matter since if you are running out of ammo in normal games, you deserve to loose 😈

[zealous ravine]

or stimm str

[fringe marten]

ah yeah thats fair the moment you get pickpocket the game becomes extremely fun

[manic wolf]

There is almost no situation there isnt an elite or special within headshot distance tho, so you're not getting any extra usage out of your ammo pool

[high gull]

Cleanest jacket I've seen in game

[atomic quiver]

This class is too squishy

[torpid cloud]

Unless other people keep stealing elite kills, then you can't really profit from it

[torpid cloud]

Dodge

[amber sundial]

tbf we have a lot of dodge nodes

[manic wolf]

Simply kill them fasterer 😄

[fringe marten]

ok, im not talking about a situation where your only goal is to get your next fix of ammo
im talking about there being a gunner nest with no elites in it that you can spray down because you get an extra hundred bullets at no cost

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/that-would-be-the-point-gabriel-jon-hamm-good-omens-that-is-the-message-gif-10707056376288468066

[charred jewel]

dont take these, these are the worst nodes in his tree lol

[high gull]

You're trading being a tank for absolutely deleting thing

[fringe marten]

you do profit from it because it is MORE freedom on top of pickpocket giving freedom to use ammo alot more

[rare idol]

ok so having rampage on basically all the time with chem dependency and the cdr stim? quite good

[atomic quiver]

Gimme back the zealot damage reduction

[livid raven]

bigly if truly

[hallow osprey]

The point being they are way more ass than any other class with no crazy upside to counteract is a terrible point

[zealous ravine]

i think i found my bonesaw build

95% crit chance

[amber sundial]

infinite ammo and ranged dodge: 75% melee power:

[livid raven]

on bonesaw?

[rare idol]

but saw crit kinda mid?

[torpid cloud]

Honestly

My boss damage on this class aside from the Chem damage by throwing my shivs is terrible

[zealous ravine]

this is how scum was meant to be built

[rare idol]

why not shiv?

[fringe marten]

only really ass if you are, survivability only really matters if you get hit

[zealous ravine]

i don wanna shiv

[fringe marten]

the things you can get away with on this class are actually insane

[rare idol]

bonesaw rampage with tox is pretty good

[torpid cloud]

Well I'm spamming desperado to gun down things mostly

[lucid raptor]

they finally made a “dont get hit” class i’m in love

[manic wolf]

If it works like other DoT applicator weapons is an extra stack of Toxin on each crit, which kinda covers the issue of low crit damage, I would guess anyway, i dont play Saw

[rare idol]

issue is that screws your tox talents you want things to die from melee

[hallow osprey]

Every other class has a fallback toughness regen perk
Scum just get instantly obliterated if they don't spam dodge, and even that won't save you

[livid raven]

just vulture bro

[fringe marten]

nono, hivescum also has that because of burst of energy lol

[manic wolf]

Hmm, yeah thats fair

[torpid cloud]

I mean scum does have a get out of jail free 50% toughness regen every 10 seconds ability

[forest willow]

If I was the Fatshark CEO I would just start ragebaiting like I'd be like "Add Plasma to Scum"

[broken bear]

dodge better

[high gull]

Scum makes me laugh my ass off cause like

People were complaining some classes were too much like others

[torpid cloud]

Though the shift from a run forward and spam m1 ogryn to this has been a ride

[novel quest]

Vulture teaches bad behavior in terms of damage avoidance so I don't think that's the best move

[high gull]

And now we got a class that breaks the usual mold

And now it's all

"Why class no like other classes"

[stoic halo]

"I was never forced to learn to properly manage and utalize my dodges and am now complaining because I have to learn to actually use the mechanic."

[high gull]

[hallow osprey]

:|

[broken bear]

LITERALLY

[amber sundial]

how dare you not give me my 500 toughness nodes that give me too many safety nets and teach bad habits?

[manic wolf]

People got cooked by playin Arb for months, jus sayin 😄

[sonic mist]

Desperado ammo PSA
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pecezf/psa_desperado_ammo_no_reload_required/

[mighty belfry]

The fact that you're insisting on spamming dodge is exactly what's wrong.

[broken bear]

darktide gave us arbites which was basically chatgpt in school for yall

made you all dogshit

simple

git gud

[broken dirge]

I like the complexity of scum

[novel quest]

I've seen scums without vulture go through Aurics with top kill count and no deaths, maybe a down or two. I don't think the class is the problem

[fringe marten]

i played arbites for all of 2 weeks and then stopped playing it i think

[dim moth]

my ass be abusing Jittery

[mighty belfry]

This is a class that you have to be very deliberate with your movement with even with the faster weappns.

[broken dirge]

Feels like I'm actually alert and aware of my abilities instead of being on an autopilot toughness regen

[dim moth]

if dodge made to recover faster why not spam them

especially since it's faster than sprinting

[manic wolf]

It do kinda be like this

[stoic halo]

arbites is like ogryn. I do my weeklys and immediately swap.

[steep hatch]

is Vulture good? I've only done the other two capstones so far

[dim moth]

dodges also give you INSANE control over your movement

[broken dirge]

Arbites is like a cheat code for survivability

[torpid cloud]

Funny thing

[high gull]

Phenomenal

[naive imp]

how do desperado builds deal with carapace

[broken dirge]

I really think it's taught people bad lessons even I feel it

[manic wolf]

Is Arb fun? Eh, sometimes, is it easy mode brain off gameplay? Abso-fucking-lutely

[naive imp]

is it really just stabbin

[mighty belfry]

Spamming dodge to abuse it for movement is the play but you shouldn't spam it actually engaging with enemies either.

[torpid cloud]

Youtubers keep telling me the 40% faster dodge regen when stamina is full is bad but like
That thing has been hard carrying me

[dusk robin]

Playing HS is making me really learn the game. I started on Ogryn, then Arbi so this is definitely a rough learning curve ngl

[dim moth]

yeah I know

[broken bear]

could stab or just... shoot more!

[steep hatch]

do you just use it with the mac10s? pistola?

[rose flax]

does pickpocket work on needlie pistol?

[sturdy linden]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[dim moth]

I use my dodges to close in and shank dudes, or to dip into cover

[bleak moon]

I love playing arbite

[high gull]

I can cop you a build a playtester uses.

[novel quest]

eh Arbi is just mini Ogryn. problem is people are coming from classes that can tank all of the 40K verse (and the kitchen sink) and expect the shiny new toy to do the same thing

[dim moth]

I am well experienced with taking aggro from ranged enemies on purpose so my team can push

[steep hatch]

that would be loverly

[amber sundial]

chat does chem fortified work for the enhanced penance?

[high gull]

It's about as close as you get to turn brain off and auto pilot

[novel quest]

also the class has only been out for three days

[dim moth]

It's what I did on melee psyker before tree rework made them too strong to be fun xd

[broken dirge]

I've definelty had to rethink my play with scum

[hallow osprey]

Christ, I get it
I fucking suck

[novel quest]

everyone will get good soon

[broken bear]

yea arbi is ogryn but human sized

[stoic halo]

you can do rending stim and do alright carapace, but you're gonna have to learn to fight them with melee for large blobs.

[broken bear]

with a sprinkle of zealot

[mighty belfry]

Hive scum is legit a player filter.

[bleak moon]

well to be fair we spent the better part of 2 years doing that and now they switched it up

[naive imp]

works out i suppose

[sturdy linden]

Which is ok, a lot of people are sucking and learning on the class, including me

[high gull]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07920be-dc05-42a0-a2b4-9909bf17087c/what-the-freak-is-an-ammo?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[dim moth]

infantry autogun

[naive imp]

rending stimms...

[high gull]

Infinite mac 10 desperado is fucking turn brain off levels of easy

[amber sundial]

?

[steep hatch]

lol the 76% guns

good luck me in getting those

[sturdy linden]

But properly managing your dodges and shoves and positioning, while you puree an entire horde alone, is an amazing feeling

[broken dirge]

Has anyone tried the bolt pistol with desperado. Cause I haven't but the ideas been kicking me in the head

[glacial gyro]

penances need a fucking search function

[stoic halo]

it's the final 2 nodes on the str tree

[novel quest]

I might give it a try, I do like my unga builds

[naive imp]

oh i know

[high gull]

See horde

[naive imp]

just considering whether to use it over something else for stub pistols

[mighty belfry]

Ye. It's okay to be unfamiliar with how the class plays because it is radically different from the others in how it mitigates damage but that doesn't mean it's bad lol

[torpid cloud]

Vulture is kinda Eh but more power to em

[high gull]

Neuron activation

[kind zodiac]

So I’m not sure about you lot but I feel like the hive scum class feels kinda weak

[fringe marten]

it was my firrst build and i heard of my friends struggling but the second i got pickpocket i started breezing through levels so hard it was silly

[lucid raptor]

rampage with cooldown reduction from the stim and from chem dependency looks stupid

[obsidian crown]

idk how anyone says vulture is "eh" 💀

[broken dirge]

Parts of it definitely feel odd

[lucid raptor]

ur just constantly stimmed or in rampage

[novel quest]

nah vulture is goated

[novel quest]

it IS stupid

[obsidian crown]

clearly did not read.

[mighty belfry]

Vulture is insane lol

[novel quest]

googoo gaga, even

[hallow osprey]

I think my main problem is Scum is a glass cannon without enough cannon to back up the glass
At least at my low-ass level of like, 14

[lucid raptor]

with this crowbar i will achieve gordon freeman levels of attack speed

[mighty belfry]

Well there you go.

[wise turtle]

Did Reginald's video say the class is weak or something

[high gull]

Oh well yeah I get you on that.

[sturdy linden]

Most of the power is concentrated lower down the tree

[mighty belfry]

The class sucks to level compared to the others.

[high gull]

Low level scum eats ASS brother

[amber sundial]

yea its ass leveling up, once you get leveled hes good

[torpid cloud]

Maybe I just misinterpret it
I just read that chemical dependency reduces my desperado cd and had a neuron activation

[sturdy linden]

Very bottom heavy class

[steep hatch]

hive scum didn't feel good to me around level 20

[broken dirge]

Oh that makes sense

[obsidian crown]

people need to wait until 30 to give a real opinion, just relax. You'll see it's busted at max lvl

[wise turtle]

I've gotten like three different people today telling me the class sucks

[kind zodiac]

I mean yeah sure but I’m only just stating what I think

[steep hatch]

until around*

[novel quest]

nah Regi loves it, Mr E hates it

says it needs buffs

[lucid raptor]

it’s basically psyker 2.0 in regard to leveling

[wise turtle]

Oh that explains it then LOL

[broken dirge]

Yeah no low level scum definetly feel stripped down

[naive imp]

first impressions are important so i get why people at lower levels say its ass

[mighty belfry]

Ah yes, the lesser content creator says its bad.

[novel quest]

it gets soooo much better at 30

[mighty belfry]

Checks out.

[steep hatch]

i quit the game the first time right after leveling my psyker to 30 on release 😂

[torpid cloud]

The power trip I got when I got my psyker leveled

[steep hatch]

and getting that stupid push so many people off a ledge penance when it was the larger number

[broken dirge]

Around 20 is when the class design and the synergies really start working together

[sturdy linden]

Worse. Psyker has access to a lot of toughness replenishment right from the get go, as well as blazing fire spread

[naive imp]

also, does the stub pistol special make your next shot do more damage? or is it just more accurate

[wise turtle]

The amount of shit you can get away with in Havoc with Scum is pretty absurd

[lucid raptor]

yeah i hit 20 and got keystones and hive scum popped off

[hallow osprey]

I just feel like I'm suffering all the way to 30 and it's not fun
Look, it'll be great when I get there but uuuuuuuuuuugh
But I am drippy though

[high gull]

I legit feel like people need to see clips of things in action so they can visually see what people are talking about.

[broken dirge]

It took me a while to see how it all connected

[novel quest]

I was miserable leveling my scum at first but once I hit 30 I just knew

it's goated

[high gull]

My buddy tossed me into the deep end on aurics with level 6

[mighty belfry]

Suffering builds character. It'll be worth it.

[wise turtle]

You just have to get a little creative (or turn on your anti-ranged ult to do objectives/get revives/close the gap)

[high gull]

Humbled fucking instantly.

[kind zodiac]

Ahhh so hive scum is bad while leveling?

[high gull]

VEEEERY much so

[naive imp]

i mean all classes kind of are

[torpid cloud]

Though that feels like kind of a design issue if a class takes so long to feel good to play for people

[high gull]

It's ass as fuck

[naive imp]

but hive scum feels uniquely rough

[novel quest]

for sure, the leveling experience is miserable

[broken dirge]

conveniently right around when the needle pistol unlocks it all starts making sense

[naive imp]

at least with the others you get your DR pretty early lmao

[high gull]

Fent gun saves us all.

[lucid raptor]

still haven’t used needler yet and im 24

[hallow osprey]

Sadly my suffering in real life has made me an insufferable bitch that bitches a lot (example: all my chatting here)

[novel oracle]

im still in shock and awe at the fact that mr e is still saying ranged scum needs buffs
like no shit this is your ranged skill tree
this is miserable cuz you avoided 2/3rds of the good stuff

[novel quest]

it's really good

[broken dirge]

Use mark 2

[mighty belfry]

Insanity. Just pure insanity.

[broken dirge]

Mark 6 feels weird

[naive imp]

is mark 2 the exploding one

[torpid cloud]

At least he has pickpocket

[novel quest]

this guy doesn't know how to build anything💔

[broken dirge]

No 2 is the poison spread

[kind zodiac]

does the hive scum class have anyway to gain toughness back outside of being near teammates

[mighty belfry]

How the fuck is that a ranged scum

[novel oracle]

I WAS IN HIS GAME

[pearl ore]

you ever play a game for the first time while a song is stuck in your head and they are just

linked forever?

[lucid raptor]

i’ll just max all weapon masteries once i hit 30 like always

[broken dirge]

But the explosion radius is like, oddly small

[novel oracle]

WITH THE DUAL AUTO BUILD THAT EXPLODES EVERYTHING AND MAKES YOU IMMORTAL

he couldve like

LOOKED AT THE BUILD

[broken dirge]

It really doesn't help with clearing crowds

[mighty belfry]

A bunch of the top nodes are for toughness gain

[novel oracle]

this is him AUDIBLY ACKNOLEDGING HOW MUCH DAMAGE THEY ARE DOING

[naive imp]

ranged kills, melee hits, 50% every 10 seconds from burst of energy when toughness breaks

[torpid cloud]

I really just want sample collector in my build at the end
My cooldown stim needs fuel

[steep vale]

does this look good for bonesaw?

[pearl ore]

im pretty sure im going to have this monkey on my back until I can think of hive scum based parody lyrics for this damn thing

[broken dirge]

Meanwhile the poison spread opens the gates of hell to directly obliterate all boxes you can see

[mighty belfry]

The one that regens toughness on melee hits goes crazy with rampage

[naive imp]

rampage replenishes all toughness immediately

[novel oracle]

im TWEAKIN OUT

[hallow osprey]

What's bonesaw's blue-ish mode do

[novel quest]

can this build work with double stubs btw? just curious because I have been meaning to make a dual stubs oriented build

[winter tusk]

have a bluish tent

tint

[pearl ore]

defense shred

[broken dirge]

Nothing of note lmao (brittleness)

[novel quest]

consider ignore hit mass over refined lethality

[kind zodiac]

I mean like a constant way to gain toughness back

[hallow osprey]

Oh. I have been using it right. Damn.

[glacial gyro]

HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

[pastel wasp]

I feel like even into carapace you want green bonesaw to just stack the DOT instead

[winter tusk]

what perks do you run on your shiv build

[novel oracle]

cara unyielding

[high gull]

@novel oracle

[winter tusk]

ok what i was thinking

[lucid raptor]

i do wish the little aoe stim buff area was bigger

[naive imp]

fantastic fashion

[novel quest]

I'd like to make a "brain off" dual stubs build if I can

[naive imp]

stimm crate feels... odd

[glacial gyro]

What the fuck is a psyker???

[novel quest]

I really like the gun

[hallow osprey]

just a tad
a wee bit, even

[naive imp]

surprisingly, im seeing non-scum now

[novel oracle]

people really arent taking into account how the punk rage shout just disables enemies, especially bosses

[naive imp]

and thank the emperor for it

[broken dirge]

Stimm crate putting your personal on cooldown while not triggering dependency is

A choice

[pastel wasp]

the stim crate explosion node should also increase the AOE by like 30% imo

[bronze glade]

A fatshart choice

[lucid raptor]

i saw -50% attack speed and knew that shit was goated

[zealous ravine]

ok fine no more 95% crit chance 70% is more reasonable

[wise turtle]

Become as Rumblers

[kind zodiac]

Just wish the stimm crate functioned the same way as the regular medi pack

[bronze glade]

Yeah radius is fucking tiny

Sucks

[broken dirge]

I wish it functioned

[brittle ferry]

I swear im not going insane. But it really seems like they fucked up the chaos spawn hit physical hit box. Cause i cant seem to get as close to it as i used to be able to.

[zenith fern]

Guess is for crit build?

[high gull]

Aye you need to get clips pinned in here for people that need visual examples instead of defaulting to "Class shit"

[naive imp]

ill just have to hope in 2 year that stimm crate gets buffed then i guess

[high gull]

So people have examples to look at.

[novel oracle]

melee crit p much

[lucid raptor]

anyone saying class shit is bad at melee or just leveling

[novel oracle]

im planning on editing the build i have pinned

[lucid raptor]

arbites made ppl turn their brains off

[pearl ore]

hive scum gameplay goes good with cruety squad music

[novel oracle]

removing dodge distance and putting that in the rampage rending, then swapping uncanny to have precog/riposte for raw damage juicing

[brittle ferry]

most of the people who say that, are the exact same people who refuse to dodge attacks

[pastel wasp]

yea rampage is easily the best ult imo, and the shout node is very nice cause it turns you into the base vet shout

[hallow osprey]

shit swamp music 24/7

[atomic quiver]

So what seems to be the current strongest build for this class

[naive imp]

does rampage shout stagger monstrosities?

[broken dirge]

Oh yeah boss turn on that Toxic Crisis

[pearl ore]

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5gNpUW9c2Y&list=RDu5gNpUW9c2Y&start_radio=1)

[high gull]

Yeah but it's good to actively show them, words can only go so far in convincing people.

[novel oracle]

desperado vultures mark dual autopistols

its not even close

[atomic quiver]

I kind of guessed

[naive imp]

what does dual autopistols take? run and gun and blaze away?

[kind zodiac]

Does anyone else think that the hive scum stimm pack should have a healing node?

[atomic quiver]

Not having to deal with ranged is rly good

[novel oracle]

speedload blaze away

[novel oracle]

ranged?

[naive imp]

neat

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-gif-10455738442136230044

[novel oracle]

as in, ONLY ranged?
nice try

[lucid raptor]

speedload feels really good on hive scum

[novel oracle]

vultures dodge

[high gull]

We had this talk yesterday I swear

[novel oracle]

no

[atomic quiver]

I know i know epic sliding

[hallow osprey]

Yes
It was me

[novel oracle]

absolutely not

[glacial gyro]

do I actually have to explain why this would absolutely break everything

[novel oracle]

no

vultures dodge

[bleak moon]

I think they should be able to pick up any stim and when used places the cartel on one cooldown

[naive imp]

walking past all the stimms people never use makes me sad

[kind zodiac]

Yeah

[torpid cloud]

I heard melee scum is also kinda nuts

[naive imp]

can you guess what class

[novel oracle]

watch the buff bar
the short 1s purple buff duration is vultures dodge
im counting as dodging against melee and ranged attacks while its active

[high gull]

There's a clip above if you wanna see some crazy shit

[lucid raptor]

wish I could stim other players

[kind zodiac]

No you don’t don’t worry just a wish of a support player

[high gull]

Weak class btw

trash class btw

[naive imp]

so, how long until scum gets a few tweaks/nerfs, ya think

[lucid raptor]

i want to give my ogryn pal rending and strength and attack speed while someone else pumps them with a combat stim

[zealous ravine]

5 minutes

[novel oracle]

sometime q1

[lucid raptor]

and i just watch the show

[atomic quiver]

i forgot about the critical hit

[livid raven]

healing stimm that also decreases your melee, ranged, stamina and toughness by 95% for 5 minutes

[torpid cloud]

So on that vulture build
Do you take cooldown on your stimms or like
Rawdog it

[high gull]

I'm trying my ass off to get a good stimm set up for a support based chemist build

Is rough mane

[novel oracle]

cooldown only on stim
i dont think its worth it for the other buffs given the cooldown when you can just pop cdr to get back into big boy mode sooner between each cast

[atomic quiver]

balls of steel

[kind zodiac]

My brother in Big E if you pull that shit off send It my way please

[lucid raptor]

heavy sword enjoyer

[novel quest]

FIIIIINE I'll try the crowbar......

[torpid cloud]

Kqn I do enjoy me some melee
This one seems heavy focused. Anything thats friendly to my ogryn brain and just spams light attacks?

[sly sedge]

was it ever confirmed if Nimble talent was bugged and giving you negative dodge bonus?

[novel oracle]

scum is the best class to use it on cuz of rampage rending and hyper violence

plus all their attack speed

[sly sedge]

or is it working fine

[torpid cloud]

I was wondering if people run reload speed too, but cool

[novel oracle]

ive never heard it being bugged

[novel quest]

I'm debating on if I should master shivs or crowbar first

[lucid raptor]

def gonna try this

thanks

[lucid raptor]

hyper violence seems like an underrated node

[novel quest]

also is dumping mobility on Crowbar okay?

[novel oracle]

defences

[novel quest]

it's the best I could get

[broken dirge]

I've been getting good mileage on tactical axe

[glacial gyro]

Really? Its only in every single build

[broken dirge]

Chopchopchopchopchop

[steep hatch]

everyone gets good mileage on tac axe it's a good 'un

[novel oracle]

you can get 30% from the tree and 50% from blessings all the time, not really worth it

[broken dirge]

Get blue stimmed and swing so fast you stop seeing your arms

[novel oracle]

i say can when i say you should
if youre running ranged build

[wooden musk]

so lots of folks saying pickpocket is quite good but I'm not really getting it

[steep hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs2-solid-snake-metal-gear-solid2-metal-gear-solid-mgs-gif-27578347

[lucid raptor]

haven’t looked at other builds really myself just been playing around

[novel oracle]

its infinite ammo

[wooden musk]

seems really hard to stay in that threshold

[torpid cloud]

Also, and I apologize for the repeated questions

With or without sample collector

[novel oracle]

it really isnt

[steep hatch]

just shoot more

[broken dirge]

use ammo
kill 1 shotgunner
Moar ammo

[kind zodiac]

Does the hive scum even have any cleaving weapons?

[wooden musk]

well its only on specials

[novel oracle]

for the dual autos, 20% ammo is 2 mags

[novel oracle]

and elites

[wooden musk]

wait I thought it was 20% of the clip

[broken dirge]

You aren't shooting enough

[novel oracle]

elites are everywhere

[sly sedge]

it has no internal cooldown, its literally infinite ammo

[novel oracle]

of RESERVES

[broken dirge]

No total ammo

[wooden musk]

not 20% of your total ammo

[sly sedge]

what more would you want

[wooden musk]

oh wow

that explains my disconnect

[novel oracle]

did it click now lmfao

[broken dirge]

INFINITE AMMO

[wooden musk]

I was like who cares if your pistols go from 1 shot to 2 shots if you hit something lol

[broken dirge]

"Reading the card explains the card"

[torpid cloud]

I mean if you play on lower difficulties I can see pickpocket being less useful but at that point there shouldn't really be a challenge

[outer estuary]

its one of those perks thats meh/bad in low difficulty but in ones like auric where every encounter has an emperors dozen of shotgunners you basically never have to touch an ammo pickup

[lucid raptor]

the pistols sound so fucking good man

[sly sedge]

if you go below 20% ammo, it puts it back to 20%

[lucid raptor]

they cooked

[kind zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs2-solid-snake-metal-gear-solid2-metal-gear-solid-mgs-gif-27578347

[broken dirge]

SNAKE GIF

[novel oracle]

if you ever run out of ammo, a melee kill on one also fixes it
or you could cast desperado and get a mag instantly to use on whatever elite you see then youre back in the game

also

desperado reloads your gun instantly on cast
this is perfect for blaze away

[wooden musk]

that explains so much

[kind zodiac]

Off topic real quick wasn’t a fan of the new solid snake game or was it a remake

[novel oracle]

this is in havoc

[lucid raptor]

this was the first thing i tested and it’s fucking nuts lol

[broken dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-solid-snake-not-metal-gear-solid-gif-14480942659066849172

[novel quest]

so are the autopistols just busted

[novel oracle]

yes\

theyre good by themselves but when on a ranged build theyre fucking busted as hell

[kind zodiac]

How the meth pistol?

[broken dirge]

All the scum guns are quite lovely

Awesome

[lucid raptor]

pistols are cooler

[novel quest]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[lucid raptor]

[sly sedge]

dual pistols are okay, needler is pretty great, dual shredder is absolutely broken with desperado

[novel oracle]

has no synergies with like any talents or blessings
but its just good on its own
so its best as a sidearm to a chem/melee build rather than being a main weapon

[zealous ravine]

this is so sad can we set hive scum base toughness to 9

[novel oracle]

done

[broken dirge]

Shoot twice kill everything within eyesight

[wooden musk]

I generally just like clicking on stuff individually rather than holding the trigger on stuff so I go dual pistols

[steep hatch]

do you actually recommend the 76/76/76/76/76 mac10s or is that a joke

[wooden musk]

and shotgun

[kind zodiac]

Bahhh I like using guns as a main weapon

[broken bear]

is he dumb

[zealous ravine]

what is this... 😨

[zealous ravine]

also is that a hecking pun

[broken dirge]

Yeah it's definitely a melee build gun

[lucid raptor]

gun enjoyers 🤝

[zealous ravine]

killing someone

[broken dirge]

It's a good flex pick

[pearl ore]

monetizationable views

[high gull]

anarch

[sly sedge]

it's the crackhead one, forgot the name but it's the most unhinged of the 3

yea anarchist i think

[novel quest]

Time to master my crowbar and fentgun!

[novel oracle]

your best shot is mk2 alt fire as it spreads normal toxin on kill via a special primer toxin on hit

[leaden fable]

Hell yea ty

[novel quest]

Warhammer 40,000: FENTGUN

[broken dirge]

Fentgun and tox bombs kill everything you've ever imagined

[broken bear]

wouldnt going "INFINITE AMMO INFINITE DAMAGE GUN BUILD" be better

[spare glen]

it literally works with in your face

[broken dirge]

You can throw a toxic bomb at your feet then go warm up dinner

[hallow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/desperado-rocket-guitar-case-gif-19041954

[torpid cloud]

I need to learn to aim holy hell
I suck so hard at hitting boss weakspots

[hallow raft]

we need this skin for the launcher

[novel oracle]

ok now what else

[high gull]

Plus with sample I can just thoooom the cdr on my stimm crate

[hallow ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-revolver-hollow-purple-gojo-gun-imaginary-technique-purple-gif-6376111522738018727

[pearl ore]

darktide is alot of 40k fans, what gets 40k fans harder than watching something and going " thats wrong!"

[zealous ravine]

the gun has a synergy with ammo where it works

[broken bear]

fair point

im friends with non shitty 40k fans so

i forget the usual community is uh

dumb.

[spare glen]

toxin mania

[novel oracle]

sure but im more talking about ranged talents, as its to be used with a ranged build

[hallow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/diamonds-diamond-sparkling-gem-gif-12316966

[novel oracle]

it literally cant proc speedload or gloryhunter in its blessing pool

[rose flax]

Run and gun + stripped down

[novel quest]

I would like to express my formal apology to crowbar users

[rose flax]

It's because of the dot

[novel quest]

I used it when I was at a low level

I did not know how saucy this thing is

[novel oracle]

yes i know
the dot doesnt proc most ranged stuff

[broken bear]

@high gull

[high gull]

The hell

[covert obsidian]

Note to self, don't go against Gunner squads if you don't have Desperado

because slide spam won't help.

[rose flax]

It's also because very few people know the crow bar special is just saltzpyres billhook without the stamina usage

[spare glen]

oh then literally just in your face i’m pretty sure

[novel quest]

I was always a flail and shield guy with Saltzpyre

[novel oracle]

the billhook was almost an instant use though

id say that was more useful cuz you dont have to swap modes then wind it up

[novel quest]

also how are people doing such saucy staggers on Crushers with the hook?

[novel oracle]

thats just how it is

[novel quest]

is the charged hook doing more stagger to effectively stunlock them?

[rose flax]

You can do it with light attacks

[novel oracle]

still have to swap modes

[real dew]

You can perma stun crushers with it, which is amusing

[novel oracle]

billhook could do it like
mid hit of the moveset

[broken bear]

Discord wrapped

That’s how many messages I had 😭

[rose flax]

I love the purple goo effect brittleness does with bone saw, why couldn't that be how the effect worked in general?

[novel quest]

cuz chem tox bettah

[amber sundial]

chem dependency is NOT the keystone for me

[rose flax]

Free 50% toughness though

[novel quest]

I'm a big fan of it BUT the stimms need a visual countdown so you know when you can proc it again

[amber sundial]

i keep forgetting i have a stim tbh

[obsidian crown]

there's a mod

[novel quest]

100% same

[novel quest]

I'm on console

[obsidian crown]

well

skill issue

[cerulean geode]

For the dual autopistols, wouldn't it be cooler if the alt fire had you do like, a wide spray attack with both pistols instead of the wimpy pistol whip you do? Like, you push alt fire and it makes you do a horizontal sweep with both guns like the scum in the trailer?

[obsidian crown]

jk

[novel quest]

I'll just get good

LOL

[novel quest]

that would be pretty cool, and useful in all honesty

[reef spoke]

Make the special pull out a secret 3rd autopistol UwU

[novel oracle]

this could be said for a lot of gun specials

but id say this is the most useful gun push

cuz it actually does something

[cerulean geode]

It is?

[novel oracle]

it can stagger ragers out of combos

and stunlock them

[novel quest]

ooh

[cerulean geode]

Huh

I do wish they would make the animation a bit more punchy at least

[obsidian crown]

or, you know, just pew pew and they dead

[manic wolf]

Hmm, fun thing with Needle Pistol, you can tag an enemy with both nodes and profit from both increased stack count and spread on death

[fringe marten]

i like pushing poxbursters with it

[cerulean geode]

It looks like you barely tap them with the autopistols

Also yeah if you have pistols out why wouldn't you just shoot the rager, I guess if you're stuck in reload hell or something

[steel briar]

Yeah, I had to squint every time.

[covert obsidian]

How much damage do shivs do compared to knife

[steel briar]

So hard to see it

[worn canopy]

Is stub pistol like under performing?

[rose flax]

Huh? Do you mind explaining?

[steel briar]

You have to have glasses or perfect vision.

[amber sundial]

this penance is ass i hate it

[obsidian crown]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/653

[steel briar]

Or both

[obsidian crown]

For pc users ^

[spare glen]

you should try chainsword at some point feels really good with toxin on crit

[novel oracle]

generally about the same but they have the toxin throwing knives instead of the punch>heavy special

[worn canopy]

How’s the dual stub pistol performancr?

[novel quest]

does that one Dependency keystone mod node apply?

[worn canopy]

I know some people here said blessing is ass

[cerulean geode]

I think the duel stubs are neat at least

[steel briar]

Us console players are cooked then until an update

[amber sundial]

i have 0 clue

[manic wolf]

So shoot them with green mode (more stacks applied) and shoot them once with blue mode (they spread the dot on death), so you can get both effects and make dumpstering things like Crushers or Bulwarks more economical as they'll die quickly and kill everything around them

[amber sundial]

all i know is throughout a whole game i got 200% progress

[nova tangle]

what are people running on the bonesaw?

[covert obsidian]

Except shivs suck at funny carapace, also isn't it better to push attack

[novel oracle]

what

[manic wolf]

They dont suck at Carapace at all lule

[novel oracle]

shock and awe and decimator

[cerulean geode]

I just know both the darktide youtubers I watched said Hive Scum could use a buff to their ranged damage options

[nova tangle]

is refined lethality not good?

[rose flax]

Ohhhh dang, I thought it just did one dot stack not copy the yellow mode dot

[neat delta]

Its so ass leveling man.

[novel quest]

also I'm curious. does anyone know if Fentgun applies tox DoT to boss shields?

[tender marten]

Finally level 30 lol

[amber sundial]

doesnt dmg through but yea

[covert obsidian]

the toxic part doesn't

[rain snow]

tox grenades are so absurdy strong it's hilarious

[tender marten]

Now to make builds for two hours

[manic wolf]

I would buff Stub Pistols finesse a bit personally, but nothing more than that

[novel oracle]

well the one i do know was using chem dep instead of the ranged keystone

[novel quest]

it does damage to the shield tho

[fringe marten]

it do

[worn canopy]

When am leveling my Hive Scum; my weapon just ass rather my talent leveling

[novel oracle]

ranged scum is so fucking overpowered man

[amber sundial]

yea

[novel oracle]

theyre just building it wrong

[novel quest]

goated

[fringe marten]

can we talk about how aesome pickpocket needle pistol is

[cerulean geode]

I thought the ranged keystone was bad?

[manic wolf]

Oh, I dont know if it carried over the yellow mode dot, but you can profit from both effects if you're willing to swap, i'll test if it carries over the dot directly in a bit

[nova tangle]

also i forget how shit the herasy experience is holy hell

[worn canopy]

Autopistol desperado one?

[tender marten]

desperado is downright ridiculous

[rose flax]

Supposed to have more crit Chance/damage but it's broken

[novel oracle]

yea

[cerulean geode]

The chem keystone gives you a lot of regen

[worn canopy]

Man wheres the desperado stub pistol then

[manic wolf]

Ahhhhhh ok, that makes sense why i feel its needs buffed then lmao

[novel oracle]

but regen is the least useful on this class

actually its not regen, its reduction

[cerulean geode]

Well it lets you use desperado more

[worn canopy]

Stub autopistol is too much use and easy use

[tender marten]

you know what's better than regen? damage immunity.

[cerulean geode]

And the chem

[rose flax]

Biggest issue is it's spread, but you can get 60% less

[novel oracle]

so does a cdr stim

[manic wolf]

Thats what i play on one setup an though its not as good as autopistols atm, its extremely fun

[tender marten]

oh you meant ability regen

[novel quest]

its whole crit system is bugged rn, it's known tho and they're working on it

[obsidian crown]

a lot of people hate it even with right build so i suppose the trade off is fair, broken class in the right player''s hands but not everyone can abuse it with its high skill floor

[worn canopy]

Dual Stub revolver be fun one also lmao

[novel oracle]

but vultures mark + pickpocket gives you 80% of desperado while not being in desperado

[novel quest]

once dual stubs are fixed, the gun will be really, really good

[cerulean geode]

That's what I thought but Mr E seemed to think Vultures mark was bad

[high gull]

no

[rose flax]

Imagine auto pistols/stub had stripped down

[novel quest]

you'll notice an immediate difference

[zealous ravine]

BIG NEWS EVERYONE!!!!!!

[glacial gyro]

its quite hard to play but when you get a good position it is absolutely oppressive

[novel quest]

right but that's mister E

[high gull]

Mr.E

[manic wolf]

I tried funny fan the hammer revo with Desperado earlier, pretty fun, good into bosses, but generally a bit clunky even with reload speed stacks

[high gull]

It all makes sense now

[worn canopy]

Consistently have to kill elites all time

[glacial gyro]

I think its fine

[novel oracle]

its kinda mid on its own but when you take into account the fire rate of the dual autos
you are always critting with the crit chance they get

[novel quest]

not hard to do at all

[obsidian crown]

i find it easy to play tbh 🤷‍♂️ just keep shooting while sliding/dodging and use stim off desperado cooldown, rinse/repeat

[novel oracle]

you become immortal and you never stop shooting

[novel quest]

ya get more mileage on like

[rose flax]

You have to fight them the whole time lol

[worn canopy]

Teammate steal kill

[novel quest]

Damnation and Auric

[novel quest]

shoot

[cerulean geode]

I been moving to the duel stubs cuz I maxxed the autos and want to try the other new weapons

[manic wolf]

Thats true of nearly every class as most talents scale with density, along with DoTs doing the same, yada yada

[fringe marten]

icl this might actually make stimm supply a decent sidegrade since if youre on a more toxin reliant build applying a stimm via supply still allows you to build back stimm cd even while it's active

[worn canopy]

Im on heresy only can’t go damn with my friend who’s leveling arbie at 28 when me 26

[cerulean geode]

I also got stuck with autos that have 61% mobility and 79% collat and just settled cuz I spent all my ordo dockets trying to roll perfect

[high gull]

Average player is hardstuck malice, gotta keep this in mind.

[worn canopy]

My weapon is under stats upgrade

[manic wolf]

More enemies, more betterer

[muted heath]

The +20% damage form sustained fire is kinda bad on pistols. When you use the special ability it resets the salvo on the pistols. VERY BAD

[willow peak]

A YouTuber is just some guy who makes videos. Nothing gives them special credibility. Don't take what they say as gospel. If Mr. E thinks it's bad, cool, good for him.

[rose flax]

Nice dialogue based on level for hive

[manic wolf]

Lmao

[cerulean geode]

I mean it was them and like, trantor or tranner or something like that

[novel quest]

SWALLOWING BUBBA

[obsidian crown]

i took precision melee perk off for now since it's bugged with hyper violence apparently, so i went bigger clip size @novel oracle but was debating blessed stim, thoughts?

[novel quest]

OH MY GOD

[novel oracle]

well run n gun is already mandatory
if youre a ranged build speedload is goated
if youre not you have other options like pinning fire and desperado

[cerulean geode]

Iunno

[zealous ravine]

they're friends!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/ol7yGypmcZA.gif

[novel oracle]

i take it sometimes in havoc by dropping my least valuable node

[obsidian crown]

which

[cerulean geode]

I was gonna use the two crit perks on my stub pistols

[novel oracle]

like on my ranged build i drop elite damage for the stim cuz its whatever

[obsidian crown]

blessed?

[sly nexus]

Imagine a The Wrench outfit on Hive Scum

[obsidian crown]

makes sense

[fringe marten]

honestly i really wish dual stubs got hand cannon

[obsidian crown]

it's nice to cleanse that corrupt i guess

[fringe marten]

i dont care how good it would be

i want it

[hearty crest]

i like the twirl you do with the stubs, feels flashy

[novel oracle]

it can counter poop modifer pretty well for yourself if you dont have a beacon or a scum crate

[rose flax]

Blessed stims only clears current bar, not next

[worn canopy]

I can play as Sangres from payday 2

[rose flax]

Jsyn

[obsidian crown]

so?

the stim itself is 44s cooldown

[cerulean geode]

What is the best stim build anyway? I usually see most youtubers just going down one line but so far the consensese has been don't listen to youtubers

[fringe marten]

the 44s stim cooldown when i throw one tox nade and get 3 boxs

[broken bear]

cdr

imo

[loud surge]

does long lasting node apply to my stimm supply ability's effects for everyone or just me?

[fringe marten]

playstyle dependant, unless you mean like the best build entirely centered around stims rather than the best stimm lab

[echo python]

People usually like going for a full CDR stimm, to fuel more desperado/rampage use

[muted heath]

I just wanted to build pistols to support my melee build but maybe bolt pistol is better. Just for sniping those specialist shotgunners/gunners

[ornate ember]

needle mark6 or 2?

[worn canopy]

Dual stubby pistola go full “Fire - Justice” mode

[cerulean geode]

I been going down the attack speed and reload speed with autopistols so I can keep Desparado going a long time

[fringe marten]

not much of a difference but 2's blue mode spreads toxin stacks from the initial target hit so like, i guess if you care about that go for it

[hardy maple]

wallahee im finished

[novel oracle]

after 20s the refresh on kill is so diminished youre only slightly delaying the end

[novel quest]

secondary mode on crowbar is that one Hook Rat ass attack right?

I'm figuring out which blessings are best on this thing

J'm inclined to believe it's can opener and opportunist

[novel oracle]

superiority then take a swing/can opener

[novel quest]

or bash

[fringe marten]

i do this but not beccause i wanna keep going for a long time
rather becaue I want to shoot as many bullets in as little time as is possible
i pair it with strength and vultoprene and become a crit lawnmower

[rose flax]

Just you

[tender marten]

or unstoppable force just because its funny

[chrome cloud]

limbspliter seems good for over heads

[novel quest]

not Bash? you could do some really good stuff with that

[tender marten]

limbsplitter is very not good

[rose flax]

By the way run and gun needle pistol with stripped down is a huge meme, I love it lol

[novel quest]

I can see Superiority for sure

[chrome cloud]

aight. ill keep that in mind as im one, two shotting heavy mobs. and laughing about it

[worn canopy]

Ogryn pickaxe limbsplitter is funny one shot crusher pair thrust

[novel oracle]

the only thing i can see is if youre using it in a chem build with the toxin on crit
otherwise the other stuff is doing more stuff for you consistently

[loud surge]

💔 good to know

[bleak sail]

i'm probably just dumb, but can someone tell me... what's the point of the alternate fire on the dual stub pistols?

just looking cool?

[steep goblet]

So glad i learned that a hive scum penance is bugged rn, alchemist rn you have to let your stacks occasionally drop below max for it to register progress

[bronze glade]

Hmm what do you run for bonesaw?

[tender marten]

precise

look at your crosshairs when you do it

[bronze glade]

Style. And it makes the shot more accurate