hivescum-class

[jaunty copper]

Normal pistol feels way better for me than auto pistol

[fleet lantern]

'Tis But A Scratch looks like a must-pick from here.

[flat mist]

yeah ill be taking those middle 3 in almost every build

[signal swallow]

frfr

[hasty agate]

Chain axe was what I used

[signal swallow]

has anyone tried the alternate mark for the shivs

[jaunty copper]

I'm hoping hive scum gets an ogrynomicon equivalent eventually

[sturdy linden]

the drip of this class tho

[jaunty copper]

I learned SO much about ogryn from the ogrynomicon

[fleet lantern]

They didn't feel good, imo. They're supposed to be all crowd-clear, but they felt slow?

[signal swallow]

i def felt that way too

also why use crowd clear when i can just desperado crowd clear in emergencies lol

[fleet lantern]

Even the heavies just didn't feel like they had impact - and yeah, why would I want my shivs to be for crowd clear when I have much better options.

[signal swallow]

and idk if im just bad with it but the crowbar felt very clunky

[fleet lantern]

Oh, the crowbar I like a lot.

Feels like a better shovel and I already like the shovel.

[zealous basin]

@sinful matrix btw if u like the one carnival song u might like collision by audio

[sinful matrix]

I mean as Ogryn has taught players since release, you pair your weapons together intelligently lmfao

Don't really need a crowd clear melee if you're using desperado

mostly just something for crushers

[zealous basin]

its like different but its got those gritty industrial noises

[signal swallow]

strength stimm + desperado, desperado is my answer for everything

[glacial gyro]

fervor needs to be like 20% movement speed, possibly more

[sturdy linden]

ok successful night, climbed out of heresy

[fleet lantern]

I have a god-rolled crowbar but it's at 160 and that's so much investment to get it up to par...

[modest hearth]

Im honestly unsure if not giving hivescum any form of healing stim was a good play, even a minor one based on crit kills or something

[jaunty copper]

Desperado go BRRRRRR

[fleet lantern]

I just want the toughness stim to regen toughness outright, not buff a very small number to a slightly-smaller number.

[sinful matrix]

I'll give it a listen

[modest hearth]

Thats fair, actually why i ended up switching to the ability cooldown one

[signal swallow]

alright my 5head idea is

[fleet lantern]

I'm toughing it out to try and get the penance and learning that the penance doesn't want you to regen toughness, it only counts the toughness you restore outright. So, it's going to take forever.

[signal swallow]

just use this and pair it with a damage stimm, kill mroe more toughness regen

[sinful matrix]

Only reason coherency regen worked on ogryn was because he had something like 400% toughness regen back on release

and in the original skill tree

[drifting heron]

Not even on release

[sinful matrix]

so he'd get almost 30 regen/second

[drifting heron]

It took patch 13 for that

[fleet lantern]

Augh, why can't I post images?

[heavy trail]

I'm enjoying needle pistol, is it any good in higher diff or nah?

[signal swallow]

cause you grey

[sinful matrix]

You'd need 30% toughness regen on all three curios, the stim, and if they existed, regen buffs in the tree for it to be truly viable

I just use the toughness stim for 25% toughness every 60 seconds

the rest of its ass because fatshark hates big numbers

[signal swallow]

i can kill an entire horde with Fury 2 so idk if its that big a difference.

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-no-gif-perms-gif-27679658

[random shuttle]

Auric'ing with scum. Feels great.

[tight hinge]

[signal swallow]

Torbek

[random shuttle]

Need to do some maelstroms and then take it to Havocussy

[tight hinge]

forget toughness, become god

[glacial gyro]

I know that pain

[signal swallow]

mobility 7

[glacial gyro]

it may legit be cheaper to just wait to 30 and fish for another

[fleet lantern]

I just wanna know where some of these guys are getting their massive stockpiles of diamantine...

[fleet lantern]

Probably. I'm only five away, now.

[tribal bane]

you look

[signal swallow]

wanna queue together im the same level lol

[tribal bane]

like activly try to find it in every room

[fleet lantern]

Sure, just know that I'm on-call so I might have to pause in the middle of something, lol. Should be good, though. It's quiet season.

[tribal bane]

though, i'm still sitting on a stockpile from before the itemization update

[random shuttle]

[signal swallow]

yea no worries. is the numbers like the adding thingy

[flat mist]

bruh why i got a half stam segment

[tribal bane]

brother has all commissary items

[random shuttle]

yerp

[tribal bane]

lucky

[fleet lantern]

Yeah, it is.

[plain orchid]

game ran out of stamina to give you

[sinful matrix]

Not that bad of a song

Very vibey

[signal swallow]

sent you a friend request im holylexbian lol

[sinful matrix]

[sinful matrix]

I can't say that name surprises me at all and I just met you

[signal swallow]

wtfff

[fleet lantern]

Damn, called out.

[sinful matrix]

She/her tag in a 40k space

[tribal bane]

brother played skyrim and only put levels into stamina

[sinful matrix]

you're either gay or trans, usually both with a she/her tag

[glacial gyro]

actually looking at the price... Probably still cheaper to just upgrade it.

[signal swallow]

bruuuh

[sinful matrix]

I just call it like I see it sis

I'm not beating the allegations either

[reef skiff]

what

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-laugh-by-m-by-demi-gif-7077537185188239597

[toxic dagger]

I did a CIVI dark communion last night with 3 scum, was fun

[signal swallow]

i feel called out

[sinful matrix]

No harm meant. Apologies if it came off that way

[dapper prairie]

The dmg immunity and infinite ammo part of the gunscum is kinda ridiculous

[signal swallow]

nono you were right lmao

[flat mist]

literally 8 stam under the max

[toxic dagger]

enhanced desperado and pickpocket are wild, i agree.

[dapper prairie]

Im to believe the veteran cant find ammo better than some scum?

[sinful matrix]

You got the guy who is never given enough ammo, and the guy who has sticky fingers

tough fight

[toxic dagger]

i find myself thinking how is this balanced? but then i get hit by one burster and lose more than half of my hp

[dapper prairie]

True i guess

[sinful matrix]

Strategically Relocating Equipment to Alternate Locations versus IMMA STEAL THIS SHIT

[glacial gyro]

Holy shit is that a forge livery skin that doesn't look like a candy cane?

[dapper prairie]

But if u play well u r effectively brainless i feel

On left side

Just cara issues

[sinful matrix]

Welcome to ogryn and arbite

this is the new normal

[dapper prairie]

But u can drug urself

[toxic dagger]

i do think that pickpocket is too good

[glacial gyro]

Transporting*

[toxic dagger]

needs a cooldown

[dapper prairie]

Pickpocket is way too good yeah

Theres no cd on it

At all

[sinful matrix]

I'd say vet is just as brainless, but piss toughness is what keeps him alive, otherwise he's ass

[toxic dagger]

and desperado maybe needs to have a limit on how much free ammo you get, not for the entire duration

[flat mist]

15s cooldown. 5% ammo.

[sinful matrix]

same skill floor issue give or take

[dapper prairie]

Desperado is infinite ammo too lmao

[obsidian crown]

Man let us have fun. Class just came out. Calm down.

[sinful matrix]

correct. Thanks

[toxic dagger]

those talents are meant to enable shooty-shooty as your primary dmg output without draining the map of ammo but never having to do any resource management is a bit much

[obsidian crown]

People are struggling even with these talents.

[lost bear]

full hive scum teams are kinda annoying if you're melee scum

[hot nexus]

[sinful matrix]

I'd just make it like ogryns gunner thingy

[flat mist]

which is irrelevant because the class is barely 2 days old

[sinful matrix]

but its a free reload and mag instead of just free reload

[lost bear]

everyone just magdumps or chemdumps

[hearty crest]

Full hiveskum team is just...skid row

[sinful matrix]

maybe time limit yeah, cause 54 rounds can go away instantly

[dapper prairie]

I do feel that way in lower difficulties that as melee everything just dies from mag dumping lol

[sinful matrix]

unlike Ogryn where you're mag dumping for a solid 10 seconds

[dapper prairie]

I run there and the gunscums got em already

[obsidian crown]

There’s a TON of people struggling and you can tell who has the foundations down and who doesn’t. This class exposes the bad players ngl

[glacial gyro]

Activate rampage
Run towards enemies
All allies immediately shoot whatever you are running towards
Get no melee hits
Rampage ends

6 crushers spawn

[lost bear]

yeep

[dapper prairie]

I failed a few cos the strong dr nodes r in the bottom

[lost bear]

that's the melee scum gameplay loop

[sinful matrix]

Vets not using piss toughness and psykers have already shown that

[dapper prairie]

The early levels of scum is really shit

[tribal bane]

bro, i remember reading somewhere in Necromunda or some other hiveworld, there is an ork gunslinger, and I cannot find it

[sinful matrix]

Hive Scum is just going to be yet another filter, just paid this time

[dapper prairie]

Later u get access to a ton of protections

[hot nexus]

Bone saw users are the filter

[dapper prairie]

Then u feel great

[sinful matrix]

I just use combat axe

[dapper prairie]

Like immortality while shooting

[sinful matrix]

antax cause I'm different instead of rashad

[dapper prairie]

Or huge dr on middles

And tough regens

[sinful matrix]

I also just like the stagger on antax better

[toxic dagger]

what the average jimmy space is doing at the moment has little bearing on intraclass balance. you observe what high skill players are doing who utilize and pilot the class correctly, and we are seeing them dance circles around the enemy and handily outdamage even infero staff psykers as their ult and talents turn off two game mechanics entirely

[sinful matrix]

faster animation

[toxic dagger]

you can make an objective assessment that maybe it's a bit inelegantly designed

[dapper prairie]

Two game mechanics gone is so true

[obsidian crown]

That’s what Arbites did day 1 too 🤷‍♂️

[dapper prairie]

Ammo management out the window

[sinful matrix]

The dota approach. Fuck them terrible players, we're balancing around the top 1% and higher

[glacial gyro]

No kidding, I can count on one hand how many times I have been last man standing with all hive scum teams. Its more than that, but I'm an ogryn so I can only count the fingers on one hand.

[lost bear]

Arbites did if even if you were rubbish

if you could click LMB you were sorted

[hot nexus]

No ammo and ranged damage taken

[ripe schooner]

Is it because I'm a low level or is the bone saw really fucking slow

[sinful matrix]

slow

[dapper prairie]

Arbites had a ton of protection stuff early in the tree

Thats why its so damn tanky

[obsidian crown]

And everyone was able to take advantage of arbites because it was brain dead where with this class, you need actual brains

[sinful matrix]

I mean arbites has a fuckin dog

[drifting heron]

Vet was second best before scum

[sinful matrix]

which makes you immune to a disabler

[hot nexus]

And then there’s empathetic evasion but for melee

[dapper prairie]

Scum once u get the full tree is like flame psyker lol

[toxic dagger]

yeah true and i have the same opinions about certain arbites talents and weapons. fatshark is very stingy with nerfs though so puri is also right that these things are probably just the new normal

[heavy trail]

Do I need cleave for my melee hive scum build or should I get something else

I'm using shivs

[sinful matrix]

Good and brainless are not the same thing Catachan

Vet is fairly hard to play well

[glacial gyro]

its really fucking slow... At first. Its not good at lower levels but becomes one of the BIS at high levels

[dapper prairie]

The new normal means here comes the giga crazy havocs

[lost bear]

it's also hard to whinge about too much because melee scum ends up being one of the more survivable ones, but I'm not good enough to clutch consistently

[dapper prairie]

Here u sweats go sweat

[sinful matrix]

Like, you do actually need to try when piss toughness is down

[drifting heron]

No vet is strong even without VoC
Exe is arguably stronger in melee

[hot nexus]

Honestly shivs dont need cleave

[astral beacon]

I hate that a lot of the chem build talents dont work because dot kills and stinks aren't working together

[glacial gyro]

Whats the second? We know about 'what the fuck is a ranged damage'

[dapper prairie]

I dont like dependency cos it makes me think lol

[near mauve]

i think they clearly want the characters to be strong and make havoc more "spicy" and wacky to compensate
like yes dear player you're a god but the game will throw 40 stimmed rotten crushers at you while twins and 4 other bosses gadoosh your entire team have fun gg

[obsidian crown]

Yeah but diff is arbites had a super low skill floor while this class has a super high skill floor. So I say let the good players take advantage of the class and have fun with it for a while before “nerfs”. Especially since majority of players can’t play HS properly so nerfing these talents will just make it worse for them

[toxic dagger]

ammo

[glacial gyro]

ah

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, I don't really care if damnation is a cakewalk

[glacial gyro]

'what the fuck is an ammunition'

[dapper prairie]

Ammo and immortality

[toxic dagger]

most people who are struggling arent lvl 30 or using a complete build yet

[lost bear]

nah fuck chem build honestly, it's annoying as hell and theses mfs invariably end up doing floor inspection the moment they run out of resources

[dapper prairie]

Btw this chem nade is crack cocaine

[obsidian crown]

I’ve seen plenty of max level HS struggling

[toxic dagger]

nerfing a complete build wouldnt affect them anyawy

[toxic dagger]

probably with a bad build

because most people are bad at buildcrafting

[sinful matrix]

Desperado straight up making you immune to ranged damage is definitely pretty stupid

[dapper prairie]

Its like flame nade but insane

[near mauve]

tbf they dont nerf shit in a major way
The nerfs ogryn and arbite got are a slap on the wrist
both classes are still w + m1

[sinful matrix]

I don't think that should be a thing

[dapper prairie]

Emphatic evasion is a thing so

[sinful matrix]

we already went over this with vet and his 90% damage reduction while in Exe stance

[lost bear]

they manage a few poots of their grenade and then they're spent

[sinful matrix]

it was stupid then, it's stupid now except objectively better

[glacial gyro]

You can really tell who gets carried by voice of command, because not only do they play carelessly, they have done it for so long it is now just part of their gameplay loop and they have to actively unlearn it

[dapper prairie]

I wish the right side of the chem build was more interesting

It doesnt feel interesting rn

Lore friendly but not gameplay interesting for me

[flat mist]

LMAO first try and it was incredibly easy to get 4 stacks of chem dependancy with a 65s stim

[glacial gyro]

part of the problem is the keystone has anti-synergy with the chem lab

[lost bear]

also bursters are wrecking whole teams because people apparently forgot how to deal with them

[flat mist]

should be very doable even with 75s

[lost bear]

all I'm doing is running away from my teammates at this point

[errant stag]

i figured why left keystone tree Sucked,
crit instakill node just not counting the melee toughness regen node , essentially render 1/3 that node useless

it literally robbed you of 12% toughness rengen

[sinful matrix]

Eh, they're definitely kinda buggy right now

they randomly jump in from further

and had their audio bugged so they're silent more often

[near mauve]

yeah amdol pointed it out

[dapper prairie]

Actually i was relearning the push range on the weapons on scum so i keep missing my pushes

[near mauve]

it outright disables it

[sinful matrix]

So I can forgive people being clapped by bursters

[dapper prairie]

Like shivs requires me to kiss enemies

[lost bear]

I also don't trust people to not shoot them while I'm dealing with them

[glacial gyro]

Its the shooty shooty bang bang, they don't want to put the guns away so they just hose the burster, regardless of who is nearby, or they ignore it because 'surely someone else will get it so I don't have to let go of my triggers'

[lost bear]

so I put teammates between me and the bursters and just don't shoot them lol

[dapper prairie]

When i hear a burster i go away from my team lol

Let em handle it

[zealous basin]

got my first clutch on this class today 🙏

[analog blade]

Had a match earlier where they killed my whole team besides me

[dapper prairie]

I clutched a few times with rampage

[analog blade]

I was like wtf

[dapper prairie]

Rampage shout us so insane

[sinful matrix]

When is fatshark going to add a destiny style raid or dungeon 😭

[zealous basin]

i did it with desperado

[glacial gyro]

I mean, wasn't that the karnak twins?

[zealous basin]

I got the 3 man rescue

[dapper prairie]

Whens fatshark giving me my halberd

Or my power fist

[zealous basin]

i felt like god

[sinful matrix]

Not by a long shot

[toxic dagger]

Anyway we'll see how things shake out but I wouldn't be surprised if good players end up finding desperado scum oppressively powerful in high lvl missions to the point of being annoyed with it

[glacial gyro]

In my defense I never played destiny

[sinful matrix]

They're like super duper big baby mode 1 dungeon encounter in a destiny dungeon

[dapper prairie]

Desperado scum is like plasma veteran u know

[lost bear]

desperado is obnoxious but also I'm almost certainly not seeing people use it to full power

and it's still annoying to play with/around

[dapper prairie]

Complaining that things keep dying before i arrive

[glacial gyro]

So the karnak twins, but only the boss fight?

[lost bear]

not even the full boss fight

miniboss fight

[zealous basin]

um simply arrive faster than the bullets do

[lost bear]

full boss fights tend to have pretty involved damage phases

[glacial gyro]

So an elimination mission, but only the boss fight

[lost bear]

like, if you had to go do some button press puzzle to keep the plague marine train car from getting close

while people dps the fucker etc

[glacial gyro]

I get what you are saying but please no plague marines

[zealous basin]

any destiny dungeon is easier than karnak twins (fact)

[glacial gyro]

the moment power armor appears the game becomes about it

[lost bear]

yeah that was an example of power scaling and mechanics rather than necessarily adding muhreens

[glacial gyro]

we should get plaguebearers though

[rapid mango]

twin fight is only hard when people dont know to kill the melee twin first

[zealous basin]

that would be fun with a premade but I would literally never want to fucking play that shit with randoms

[warped grove]

If there was a threat such as Chaos Marines other Space Marines would be called in and it would become Space Marine 3 lol

[zealous basin]

they would not touch the objective

[glacial gyro]

or to go toward the light when the stink appears

[lost bear]

I hear consistently that people feel way more like a Marine in Darktide than they do in SM2

the skill expressino there is a bit restricted, everything is CLUNK

[rose flax]

I just realized, where are the trust level cutscenes?

[warped grove]

Cuz some random ass cultists are easier to deal with than Tyranids

[warped grove]

Scum doesn’t have any

[rapid mango]

none for scum nor arby

[zealous basin]

yeah and once u get to the pinnacle of skill expression its kinda underwhelming

[glacial gyro]

I dunno about that, different games for sure, SM2 feels more like an action beat em up than a shooter, which is fine

[lost bear]

nah that ain't it, it's about the ebb and flow of the combat

[high gull]

A good scum player is like finding a NCR ranger among a platoon of regular soldiers

[zealous basin]

you cannot deny that sm2 has significantly less skill expression then darktide

[high gull]

Majority of the people playing scum are gonna foldand go back to their old classes.

[lost bear]

I was incredibly whelmed by SM2 when I played it at a buddy's, but the reason he likes it is exactly the reason he bounced off DT

[toxic dagger]

Sure, I'm not saying we need to bring the hammer down on the class right now

[zealous basin]

not me

[glacial gyro]

Oh, no, that isn't what I was saying at all, I just said they were different genres which makes direct comparisons of 'do you feel like a space marine' hard

[toxic dagger]

But there are things to keep an eye on and perhaps prepare some adjustments to

[high gull]

I'd like to see support scum get a bit of love.

[glacial gyro]

Please, happen sooner

[zealous basin]

well saying i dont know abouth that completely ignored the second part of the statement

[random shuttle]

Auric Rolling Steel with Randos is always a riot

[warped quiver]

like maybe having the crate not be ass

[random shuttle]

"Ob-ject-tiff? Never heard of that."

[rapid mango]

scum is crazy fun in h30, but ye toxin go brrrrrrrr, almost out damaged my inferno friend on an h20 even... i do sense changes

[signal swallow]

@sinful matrix since you read me so hard whats my main

[high gull]

I feel like crate is a damned if you do, damned if you don't when it comes to balancing.

[toxic dagger]

Like I think the ammo side of desperado would be good even if just made reloads 50-70% "cheaper" (so you reload a mag of 60 rounds but it only costs 20 rounds from your reserves) and pickpocket had a cooldown to stop it from constantly triggering

[lost bear]

sure, but the fantasy of agency is very much more present in Darktide

[glacial gyro]

If your team gets past the power cells, you will win the game. The power cells are the filter.

[toxic dagger]

The playstyle would probably be maintained without feeling totally mindless

[lost bear]

like, if you fuck up in DT, barring some weird buggy BS you can trace it back to how it was your mistake

[high gull]

Yeah but you also gotta make sure it's rewarding aswell.

[zealous basin]

is the difference between h30 and h40 that big

[novel quest]

does bonus Strength impact guns?

or just melee

[signal swallow]

yes

[high gull]

I'm like a wet paper towel if I make a bad move.

Atleast let me hit like a freight train.

[steep vale]

does this look good?

[random shuttle]

The two guys kept dying but fortunately as a MeleeScum with Rashad I can win alone

[random shuttle]

H30 is tough and demanding

[drifting heron]

I wouldn't use sustained but yeah

[random shuttle]

H40 is Balls Torture

[glacial gyro]

Yeah. I think a lot of it has to do with the third person thing. First person games are always going to be more responsive because they have to be, whereas third person games I feel are always going to be more cinematic.

[high gull]

Unironiically I feel like it's easier to clutch up in aurics as scum.

[sturdy linden]

happy I'm out of Heresy

[high gull]

But that's just me.

[sturdy linden]

not like Damnation is much better but eh

mild improvement

[steep vale]

i mainly use it for alt fire

[sturdy linden]

hopefully 30 tomorrow

[lost bear]

though at 40 you get presumably more competent teammates

[random shuttle]

I agree. Scum shares some of that Zealot "high octane + slippery" setup that makes his kit very 'clutchy'.

[glacial gyro]

h40 is hydraulic dick flattener

[sturdy linden]

I will say, once you unlock those 2 toughness nodes right above Adrenaline, a LOT of the squishiness issues go away as long as you're playing properly

[high gull]

I get where Hank is coming from tho, like when the bad scum players drop the class and all that's left are the good ones.

You're really gonna feel it.

[random shuttle]

If you are getting bogged down as a Scum, you succ and need to learn to be better street urchin

[flat mist]

yeah they're based. taking the talent below them aswell. 20% DR is amazing. So is 20% damage. Just a straight up goated talent

[high gull]

Scum can do some ridiculously stupid shit if you have the knowhow to pull it off.

[lost bear]

getting there is rough though, especially if you want a build and not just beeline those nodes

[sturdy linden]

I think I'm gonna stick to melee scum for a while so that I'm forced to git gud

[twilit tide]

higher density equals easier game as scum, it's silly

[glacial gyro]

A huge part of this is map awareness and knowing the layout so you can maneuver efficiently, and that is something newer players are simply not going to have

[high gull]

I'd unironically reccomend ranged scum as a beginner.

[hearty crest]

Dual stubs kick ass

[high gull]

And maybe support scum dead last.

[warped grove]

Ive been getting into the mind of Hive Scum (blasting hotline miami 2 ost at full volume and doing meth), it is fun even at high difficulties

[twilit tide]

the class is designed for ranged so starting with it is ideal

[sturdy linden]

I'm not a beginner as such, I have 600 hrs in the game, I'm just kinda average

[random shuttle]

See though, I really like how FS made the classes actually feel real different. For exampel swapping from Scum to Arby is night and day. Completely different... everything

[drifting heron]

No no its just zealot 2

[lost bear]

Arb really sells the Adamant codeword

[drifting heron]

Steam forums told me

[twilit tide]

arby is deliberate and plodding, scum is crackhead energy

[lost bear]

Scum...there's a joke about Broker in there somewhere that I can't pull out

[warped grove]

Scum has a high entry skill floor cause youre supposed to be dodging 24/7

[rapid mango]

i heard it was just vet6

[random shuttle]

Arby my beloved Human Bag of Bricks

[glacial gyro]

Don't do meth, that's for beginners. I recommend a cocktail of bath salts and fentanyl injected into your carotid artery using a dart gun

[warped grove]

Shit king youre right

[zealous basin]

I like things that are tough and demanding but all my friends have half my hours or even less and r kinda shit at the game and I dont like party finder or matchmaking with ppl in the discord

[sturdy linden]

Arbi is like one of those wrestlers whose every answer to a problem is to headbutt his opponent

[lost bear]

Zealot has so many mulligans though, it almost thrives in a different part of the clutch envelope

[lost bear]

which region are you

[glacial gyro]

Yeah but it keeps working

[mighty belfry]

They're been quieter for sure.

[random shuttle]

Spot on. Arby feels like every problem is a nail, and he is one big angry hammer.

[lost bear]

in another life we call that Epee 2.0

[zealous basin]

I have undying faith in the emperor of course

[warped grove]

I didnt bother doing anything above Havoc 25 with my friends, they arent built for it

[lost bear]

as in, server

[zealous basin]

my friends arent built for above damnation 😭

[glacial gyro]

It sure feels like the bastards are cagier about actually activating, they run into my face and are still ticking and I shove them and they don't explode and they sit there, ticking menacingly, making me nervous

[high gull]

And that's kinda the issue with alot of people

[warped grove]

Yeah, more or less

[high gull]

Everyone likes to face tank and block

Not everyone utilizes dodges

[novel quest]

am I the only one who kinda doesn't like the forge-livery skin for bone saw? the red blade is a complete turn off LOL

[warped grove]

They struggle on Auric 💔

[abstract inlet]

I feel like I can on ly clutch if damage solves my problems, I barely lived through karnak twins by bursting down rinda and her goons before resing

[zealous basin]

and if we are playing damnation I cant play psyker unless im running bubble smite

[toxic dagger]

Lol yeah exactly. We'll see where we land in a few weeks.

[rapid mango]

mastery skins tend to all suck ass

[warped grove]

I love playing Scrier psyker on Maelstroms

[novel quest]

a few don't

[abstract inlet]

you need a bubble buddy? lmaooooo

[zealous basin]

no lmao

[drifting heron]

Killing you

[glacial gyro]

I am the only ogryn I have ever seen dodge, which is crazy because ogryn has knockdowns on his dodge, so you can quickly turn your camera and use your thighs as a blunt instrument directly into a rager pack to knock them all down

[warped grove]

I had to clutch 2 in a single match because they kept dying to 1 gunner

[sturdy linden]

Too many badgryns

[zealous basin]

you underestimate how bad my friends are at the game

[sturdy linden]

[young herald]

doesn't work on ragers; only non-elites

but yes

[drifting heron]

Smite does not fix that

Killing everything fixes that

[abstract inlet]

peach's side B, lmao

[drifting heron]

And psyker happens to be best at just destroying a level

[rapid mango]

stop babying them, tbh... they wont learn if you pause things for them. i mean this gently but, its true

[zealous basin]

yeah

[lost bear]

tbf I have seen some quite bright people struggle mightily, and it wasn't for lack of earnest effort

[zealous basin]

I dont play psyker with them

[glacial gyro]

Yeah but its funnier, even if not strictly true. But it IS good for clearing the horde out around the ragers.

[young herald]

oh yeah it's super useful

especially when there's a non-ogryn melee nearby

[abstract inlet]

ask them to watch regi beginner guide and TRY to apply the knowledge

[lost bear]

DT sits in a weird spot where it draws on a lot of skillsets from other games but there's a bit of an adaptation period

[young herald]

and you can knockdown all the chaff to surround them and they get stuck when the mobs stand up

[lost bear]

a lot of casual players just want to unga bunga the game

[novel quest]

is stability okay to dump on needle pistol?

[summer jewel]

what in the world is vulture dodge? i was joking about the scum looking like a Payday 2 dodge build 😭

[warped grove]

Dump dmg

[zealous basin]

I asked them to watch a video on kiting hordes and proper movement and they told me to stop being a tryhard

[warped grove]

Doesnt affect toxins

[sturdy linden]

Honestly this game isn't easy. I'm a very average player even after 600 hrs, because I have no experience with tide games / soulslikes / elden ring etc. The combat in this game is honestly quite complex, and when you add in the fact that you need map and enemy awareness on TOP of mechanical skill to overcome some situations.. yeah, it gets hard.

[rapid mango]

you said you played smyker if you were on psyker, my response is, dont

[abstract inlet]

speaking of, fighting ragers without guns or stagger scares me, what do?

[glacial gyro]

Needle pistol is the only weapon in this plane of existence where dumping damage is the correct choice

[rapid mango]

push attacks

[sturdy linden]

Like it took me a while before I was comfortable with aurics

[tribal bane]

it's not too inaccurate, lol

[lost bear]

this isn't just a skill issue on their part, this is a will issue

[novel quest]

ah okay

[zealous basin]

I meant with them specifically but yeah

i HATE smite psyker

[flat mist]

My will is skill limited (checkmate)

[rapid mango]

zealot flamer

[abstract inlet]

Doesn't seem to work, but maybe im too frazzled

[twilit tide]

purgatus staff too

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/payday2-lets-goo-therussianbadger-duke-payday2-duke-gif-24966814

[zealous basin]

also one of them has dyslexia and makes his own builds based off the picture of the passive 😭

[rapid mango]

dreg ragers are scary. ill admit. still gonna fight all 15 with my shivs tho

[vast leaf]

What does the needle gun synergise with

[twilit tide]

but usually you go for warp res I believe

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

me when i see any elite

[summer jewel]

i got like ratatouille flashbacked to being invincible on deathwish mission with only a suit on

[near mauve]

cause they fkn suck donky ass at sm2 and the game has weird systems u need to get around to truly feel like a god meanwhile the way toughness works in dt on most classes just enables mashing m1 gameplay until u hit higher diffs where u start getting punished

[novel oracle]

i think i need to actually fucking kill myself cuz look at this

[rapid mango]

i use the needler with mk3 shivs, good combo

[twilit tide]

ranged and close damage both affect the dot

[near mauve]

wtf why is my discord scrolled all the way there

[glacial gyro]

You know, we see a lot of names on our skooms, but I have yet to see one named after Frank

[vast leaf]

Oh cool

[novel quest]

so what DOES affect toxin dmg?

[warped grove]

One of my friends believes the Revive Shout is good and the other throws himself off the ledge at the start, and then the third goes AFK randomly

pick your poison

[lost bear]

you're trying to carry people who aren't making it easy to carry, they're not just going limp, they're doing interpretive dance while you grab them by the scruff of the neck

[near mauve]

the game simply wanted u to die

happens

[novel quest]

on the needle pistol

[novel oracle]

it has been doing this repeatedly for 6 havoc games in a row

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-thats-rough-buddy-thats-rough-gif-4264932

[warped grove]

We are the bursterlings

[novel oracle]

im literally deranking cuz the game just DOES SHIT LIKE THIS

EVERY TIME

[sinful matrix]

Zealot would be my guess

[signal swallow]

martyr zealot

[near mauve]

we love fatshark servers

we love lag

[sinful matrix]

Open Book :p

[near mauve]

game has worse servers than a fromsoft game

let that sink in

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-sink-door-open-door-meme-gif-11027748423699535107

[novel quest]

which stat affects needle pistol's toxin dmg?

[young herald]

https://tenor.com/bFiD5.gif

[lost bear]

I mean, it sounds like the difficulty is doing what it's supposed to then

[near mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/thousand-sons-warhammer-40k-warhammer-thousand-sons-warhammer-40-thousand-sons-warhammer-40k-thousand-sons-gif-3911330265893084421

[zealous basin]

btw do u have to dodge sideways with dreg ragers it feels like fighting them in melee sucks sometimes

[glacial gyro]

use guns or stagger

[sinful matrix]

I mean lets not ignore stunlocking

Or literally everything chaos in SM2

[zealous basin]

/doging them is inconsistent

[near mauve]

yeah its just dt toughness enable u to "tank" shit while sm2 doent really want u to be "tanking" unless u have weapons that recover health insta

[sinful matrix]

Mostly just the whole "Chaos is a faction that doesn't fit in this game" thing

[sinful matrix]

Yes

[young herald]

ideal world, you dodge to the side and toward them, so their combo ends up moving them past you and then you keeping circling behind them so they can't turn to you. This isn't really possible a lot of the time in practice though, in which case it's mostly just block and dodge as much as you can and hit them when an opening presents itself

[near mauve]

stunlocking only an issue if u cant dodge + there's anti stunlock blessings
chaos is fine now minus headshots not working sometimes tbh

[glacial gyro]

Only sometimes?

[sinful matrix]

Fatshark got rid of their stickiness, somewhat, so we're able to dodge to the side now like with berserkers and plaguerats in VT2

[trim fable]

Is "Blessed stimms" bugged?

I don't feel like it cleanse anything

[glacial gyro]

Or

[young herald]

sometimes an option, yeah

that fucks them up something fierce

[zealous basin]

yeah when I dodge them right it doesnt feel that bad

[zealous basin]

ty

[glacial gyro]

devil claw sword is goated

[obsidian crown]

So is the stamina bar bugged on hive scum? Friend had +6 stamina total curios and only got 4 stamina bars

[sturdy linden]

Man the saw really gets going once you have cleave stacks + shock and awe + adrenaline up

Add in rampage and you just turn into a poisonous human blender

[flat mist]

Mr E: regained posture & nimble are useless

[young herald]

there's a setting that toggles it between pips at every 25% and pips at every stamina

[glacial gyro]

Yeah saw is incredible once you have the stuff at your disposal to get it moving

[flat mist]

Ok bro

[heavy trail]

Ayo?

[lost bear]

saw feels like playing dynasty warriors a bit

[hardy spruce]

What's the rating on those curios

[obsidian crown]

Did it get reset this patch then?

[young herald]

it didn't for me, but this is a fatshark patch we're talking about. Literally anything is possible

[novel quest]

Oh my god. Needle pistol is OP.

[steep vale]

Chat am i insane

[zealous basin]

what stim do u guys like using on melee

[glacial gyro]

I like saw with rampage and max attack speed stimm, and then poison beyblade into the enemy

[sturdy linden]

Yeah it's insane

[stoic halo]

honestly the biggest change i hope for on this class is that stimm suply doesn't eat your personal mix because rn the way it works is weird af. If i eat my stim it doesn't affect the crate, but if i drop crate i lose my stim.

wonk

[obsidian crown]

Slap on a 2 curio, do you have 6 bars?

[zealous basin]

once im 30 im gonna try using melee saw scum

[steep vale]

Isnt there a perk that gets grenades back?

I feel like im tweaking

[obsidian crown]

Why would this matter? It’s triple 2’s

[hardy spruce]

@obsidian crown sub 410 rating 3 stam curios give you 2 stam

[young herald]

i do this on everything except dependency builds, and that is either this or just the +power branch, depending on if I wanna runt he 4th stack or not

[kind zodiac]

dual wielding MAC-10s fucking hell what did i miss

[hardy spruce]

you need 410 or higher to have 3 stam

[torpid cloud]

I have an issue with the ranged path

Thanks to the dial stubs or auto pistols I can chew through elites and hordes fine, but bosses and things like crushers shut me down bad

Anyone got a solution to that? Rn I'm just doing the usual and switch to the Daggers and rely on my teammates to take them down (if we are more than just scum)

[novel quest]

I just grabbed some fuckass 60% dmg grey pistol from brunt's, took it to psykhanium and killed a Crusher in 3 shots

[glacial gyro]

Are you vet?

[steep vale]

No

It was like

[glacial gyro]

Then no

[obsidian crown]

Triple 2’s.

[steep vale]

30 kills gets a grenade

[near mauve]

rare strength stim user

[zealous basin]

do you take sample collector?

[small grail]

WHY does the custom stimm not cd while its active

[torpid cloud]

The uh
Stun grenades recharge I think

[glacial gyro]

that is very specifically the flashbangs

[young herald]

yes, pretty much always

[steep vale]

Im so fucking stupid

[hardy spruce]

Missed your message, idk then

[steep vale]

Thanks chat

[sturdy linden]

I set mine up with cara + unyielding. Since the blessings don't do much for damage, I just go Ghost + Run n Gun

[stoic halo]

20

[torpid cloud]

Balancing

[obsidian crown]

[sturdy linden]

The boss damage from the needle pistol toxin is also kinda wild

[young herald]

same reason rampage or desperado don't

[obsidian crown]

I’ll have him recheck his settings

[trim fable]

This

[glacial gyro]

You can kind of CD it while active, with the stimm box and the CDR stimm

[twilit tide]

it's quite nice, easy and fast dot to stack

[trim fable]

Literally beat a heresy Karnak twins with a white 6% dmg needler

[novel quest]

ngl I don’t think I need to 500 the needle pistol, just master it and get it to transcendent for blessings and perks

what a goofy little gun

[sturdy linden]

I have so many resources lying around that I just max whatever I'm using

[trim fable]

It's fucked up that almost half of its stats are useless

[glacial gyro]

damage does nothing on the needler, its the weapon's dump stat

[worn gull]

And half the blessings

And more than half the perks...

[trim fable]

Cause idk if crit does anything

[novel quest]

nah it's a good thing, this gun is suuuuper busted

[stoic halo]

not to mention the belssings

[small grail]

Just makes chem dependancy kinda rough to use because you need to nerf your stimm a lot to keep cd low

[twilit tide]

crit shots with needle give +1 poison

[novel quest]

ye

[twilit tide]

5 base, +1 with weakspot. +1 with crit for up to 7

[novel quest]

you want crits on needle pistol

[abstract inlet]

concussion grenade only, womp womp

[trim fable]

Yeah lol the first thing that caught my eyes were the cleave on HS

And that's it

[glacial gyro]

Wait you do?

[novel quest]

bonus tox stacks

[kind zodiac]

oi what tree should i go with in the stimm lab

[glacial gyro]

Oh yeah, ok

[stoic halo]

chem dependancy is already nuts

[near marlin]

does the toughness stim even work? or is the toughness regeneration only from coherency?

[near mauve]

yes

its doodooo cackaaaa

[modern harness]

whats good perks and blessings for the crowbar

[glacial gyro]

the problem with chem dependency is it has anti-synergy with both the chem box and the chem lab, since box doesnt give a stack and you have to make a low CD stimm for the keystone to function

[trim fable]

Do you only use like 1 stimm lab node if you build dependency? Lmao

[young herald]

it's coherency regen, the value from that branch is mostly DR. Though at the same time, coherency regen is better than people think for scum, just because of how limited his toughness gen is in general

[stoic halo]

acording to kuli guide it is coherency regen

[small grail]

Yeah thats true

The crit is great

[broken bear]

Just stab the fuckers more ezpz

[zealous basin]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7nyprGzLfhdp0zJfa0peji?si=34d4770e95424c51

[novel quest]

y'all, what's dump stat on shivs and what blessings and perks do I want?

[zealous basin]

This sounds like that one song

[broken bear]

Mobility

[hardy spruce]

Dependency lasts for 90 seconds

[glacial gyro]

You can make a strong stimm, just have to keep it under 90 seconds, but the closer you get to 90 the closer you have to pay attention and the less control you have over when you can use it

[zealous basin]

in the carnival

[chrome cloud]

Is the stimm lab worth it ?

[twilit tide]

if you're not confident, make it around 60 seconds, you only need like 8 chem kills and you get it back in time

[warped grove]

How do I explain to my friends that Suppression doesn’t apply to melee enemies

[glacial gyro]

Maxed out chems is really fucking strong though, but decreases it to 60

[twilit tide]

or 16 regular kills, super easy honestly

[novel oracle]

IM GOING TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF
EVERY BURSTER IS BULLSHIT THIS PATCH

[kind zodiac]

wow playing as a hive scum is fucking fun

[warped grove]

we are the bursterlings, feed us rejects

[stoic halo]

why would you use chem box with it? if you want a low cooldown and powerfull chem box you use sample collector and practiced. you use high crit and pocket toxin to get the 2% back plus it synergises with a lot of toughness regen talents.

[chrome cloud]

Stimm lab only works when i click the button right?

[kind zodiac]

dual auto pistols oof

[chrome cloud]

i dont get all the buffs it gives until then?

[glacial gyro]

That's what I'm saying, that's my point, the box has anti-synergy with the keystone

[warped grove]

It doesnt give you a stim unless you put points into it

[chrome cloud]

i only get the buffs when i use it right?

[warped grove]

Yeah

[chrome cloud]

seems like a waste

[warped grove]

But its infinite regen

Its really good

[stoic halo]

so what? you have to make a choice about uptime or stim power?

[chrome cloud]

75 sec cool down and unable to use other stems ? feels bad

[warped grove]

It decreases the less points you put into it

[kind zodiac]

heck i even got a prety damn good role 76% across the board for the dual autopistols

[echo python]

It applies to Groaners, but those are the only ones I think

[warped grove]

Also ive used cartel stims more on Scum than any other class combined

[chrome cloud]

unable to use a healing stem kinda sucks

[glacial gyro]

The box really wants you to make a cranked up stimm to give your whole team what is basically a turbo fuck mode, but that doesn't play nice with the keystone

[random shuttle]

Damn

[warped grove]

yeah, but you can ask a teammate to inject you

[random shuttle]

Every QP is Rolling Steel today

[trim wind]

You can also get the stimm cdr node to reduce the cd pretty dramatically

And it's just way stronger than normal stimm for dmg buffs

[twilit tide]

when you get your stim back you get box back, fairly sure with that keysyone you can stim, box, stim box

[warped grove]

Even so, my friend blames all his problem on suppression and constantly wants it removed, I dont get it

[young herald]

yeah, i like the map but it's getting a little old at this point

[warped grove]

As Vet

[glacial gyro]

Was hoping Iron Riders background would have special dialogue on that mission but if it exists I haven't heard it

[twilit tide]

sometimes you can even box before your stim is back depending on how much cdr you get

[chrome cloud]

what is box?

[twilit tide]

the stim box career ability

[warped grove]

You give your stim to teammates in a medicae crate range

[glacial gyro]

this thing fucks hard against the twins, since you fight them in such a tight space

[spice cloud]

Rolling steel is fast but u get less xp overall no?

[glacial gyro]

give your allies giga cdr and let them go to town

[spice cloud]

So its not perfect for grinding lvl imo

[dull dagger]

I feel like I need to add decent buffs for the stimm supply, because some teams will really stick around it

[chrome cloud]

so stem lab is only good for zerging and you have to 100% trust your teammates to heal you with a healing stem.

[stoic halo]

what about the box screams "make a turbo stim"? To me it screams "hey, give your zealot and extra 20% attack speed and get the fuck in there with him!" or Give your arbitrator unlimited stace!" or "Give everyone 20% strength and obliterate everything." Purely by putting down the pack you are mutliplying the effective output of your stim by 4. That is the utility.

[echo harness]

Now to finally start playing the class

[twilit tide]

fairly sure you can make a moderately powerful stim still with almost 100% uptime on yourself and fairly good uptime on teammates

[warped grove]

100 matches played as Hive Scum

[stoic halo]

fr

[warped grove]

hate those penances

[glacial gyro]

I mean that's fair, I suppose its preference, to me it feels like I want to inject my teammates with Turbo Fent and watch them go

[echo python]

With the chemist keystone nodes it can also let you sit at a constant 40% CDR and +20% crit chance

[glacial gyro]

Those rotten crushers have no idea what coke-fueled hell I just unleashed

[stoic halo]

you can argue that you should be able to inject teammates with super fent, but giving them to all 4 teammates at once would break the game and we'd get purple rotten armor 2 because of it.

simply making the cartel special act like a normal stim instead of an activatable ability would be great.

[vast leaf]

so the needle gun one is vs boss dot and the other vs hordes?

[glacial gyro]

I mean you can. You just make a big stimm and use it less. The argument is not uptime versus power, again, its "the keystone doesnt get a stack from the box so if your CD is long enough you cannot use the box AND maintain your keystone"

[twilit tide]

both work as well on bosses

[devout vault]

chemical dependency
assuming use of 'Long Lasting' for +5s of stim time, totalling 20s
aiming for 5s window of stim use to maintain stacks

no 'Maxed Out' node
90s timer
65s cooldown after stim wears off
5 nodes in 1 tree, 4 nodes in 1 tree (65s)
4 nodes in 1 tree, 3 nodes in 2 tree, 2 nodes in 1 tree (65s)
5 in 1 tree, 3 in 1 tree, 2 in 1 tree, 1 in 1 tree (65s)
3 nodes in 4 tree (63s)

~~
with 'Maxed Out' node
60s timer
35s cooldown after stim wears off
4 nodes in 1 tree, (34s) ((adding 1 to an empty tree, +2s))
3 nodes in 1 tree, 2 nodes in 1 tree, 1 node in 1 tree (34s)
2 nodes in 3 trees, 1 node in 1 tree (34s)

gonna check w/o 'Long Lasting' later

[twilit tide]

the blue mode on mk2 applies an aoe chem explosion while the mk 6 applies a stagger but no stacks of the toxin

[vast leaf]

oh i see

[sturdy linden]

Mk2 is much better

Spreading the poison gets you a lot of collateral kills for free

[stoic halo]

chem dependancy already doesn't want you to make a super stim though and would be way too easy to maintain if this was the case. plus it would be a recursive loop wherein the cdr from dependancy would feed back into the stim supply.

[sturdy linden]

And those infected mobs can die of anything and still spread it

[twilit tide]

super good for stim cd

[vast leaf]

yeah that seems a downside of the explosion

[glacial gyro]

then change how one of them works

[shrewd spoke]

Everyone should go commit some chem based crimes on some pox walkers

[twilit tide]

and any chem perks like the base damage increase will be up almost all the time

[glacial gyro]

The keystone and the ability on the same side of the tree should never work in such a way they fight each other because 1: it forces you to break the theme to get the msot out of it and 2: it will confuse the hell out of new players

[sturdy linden]

So deploying box doesn't give a stack of chem dependency?

[twilit tide]

no but if stim is available it uses it

so just use the stim first

then box

[sturdy linden]

So if it's using the stim and the stim is affecting you.. why no chem dependency...

[twilit tide]

cuz if the box uses the stim it doesn't give a stack

that's the argument

[glacial gyro]

the box's base effect is... Not great, some corruption recovery. Use any other ability if you aren;t going to be dispersing stimms with it

[sturdy linden]

That's. So. Fucking. Stupid.

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/and-god-taketh-away-and-god-taketh-away-gif-6357050272012842114

[glacial gyro]

yes

[sturdy linden]

I guess I'll have to try a Rampage chem build tomorrow then

[hallow osprey]

The box is ass compared to being immune to ranged attacks.
Which sucks.

[abstract onyx]

i unlocked the needle pistol now i wanted ask what build you guys recommend for it?

[stoic halo]

okay, but if you tie box regen to stim regen, you land back in the same spot.

[twilit tide]

yea, you can make yourself immortal to ranged or make your entire team crackheads

[devout vault]

chem box corruption clear is no joke, that thing works fast

[twilit tide]

both good
especially when we finally get teams that aren't 4 addicts

[sturdy linden]

It's a sidearm, I use it on a primarily melee build

[stoic halo]

also chem dependancy working the way it does keeps desperado and rampage in check by making the stim you take with it less effective.

[gleaming torrent]

Is max Stimm Lab 30 or 35?

[twilit tide]

the box also applies chem in an aoe

[glacial gyro]

The change I would make is:
1: Box gives stack
2: Stack is not set cooldown, stack decay is based on how long your stimm has been off cooldown, if you sit on your stimm too long, lose a stack.

A set cooldown is only implemented when you have no cartel special equipped

[twilit tide]

30

[gleaming torrent]

Aight, thanks

[twilit tide]

yea level 30 doesn't give you any volume

[flat mist]

Finally finishing reading Kuli's guide and WTF:

[glacial gyro]

set cooldown only implemented when you have no cartel special equipped

[flat mist]

its multiplicative with itself?

what a pile of garbage

[hallow osprey]

I have to rely on the ranged immunity because I die instantly under any kind of fire
I can barely survive Malice difficulty and I'm miserable

[abstract onyx]

i tried pure melee build but it didnt work well for me

[sonic pumice]

what in the unholly gods is in the chem nades? why its a fire grenade of zealot but actually super busted?

[devout vault]

woe, corrosive gas upon ye

[sturdy linden]

The pops are so clean

[sonic pumice]

Liquid soap >>>> Fire blessed by the Emperor

[rose flax]

Does ample collector work?

[stoic halo]

you can argue that the box should have a different base effect to it and i would agree, but quadrupling your stim output is way more effective than people give it credit for. But because the power is behind a layer of obfuscation people pretend it's not there.

[rose flax]

both chem and kill?

[high gull]

It does yeah

[glacial gyro]

yeah ngl I think if anything gets nerfed it will be this, the gas grenades are insane

[kind zodiac]

oi boom bringer or chem nade?

[high gull]

What are you using?

[twilit tide]

I use the concussive grenades with the chem talent so I have renewable chem contact grenades

[twilit tide]

boom bringer will wipe out big packs of armor really fast, so if speed is your answer, consider it an ogrynn nuke in damage

[rose flax]

It seemed faster, but wss still curious

[high gull]

There's enough nade recharges lying around that I don't have to worry

[high gull]

No I meant weapon wise.

Tossing a chem nade into a massive horde = instant crate

[glacial gyro]

I am well aware of how a force multiplier works, and the tradeoff for a very powerful effect is a very long cooldown. Consider, however, that in order to bring the cooldown reduction up so high you have it more often, you must tunnel the CDR path, which means you can only really do one of the other three. If you want to put your whole team on Himalayan Bath Salts, you're going to be sitting on it for a while, and that's ok.

[kind zodiac]

so boom bringer is boss or ogryn damage option huh?

guess im bringing the boom

[twilit tide]

yea essentially but I'd advise to use it on packs more often that would be troublesome

[fast gust]

Turning an accatran vet into it's pre-nerf version was very funny

Shame it only lasted 20 seconds , those buffs are not spectacular visually but statistically it's impressive

[hallow osprey]

The stuns have the benefits of being thrown fast and stunning, so that's why I'd use them with the toxin add-on

[glacial gyro]

But choosing Himalayan Bath Salts should not have anti-synergy with your keystone, is my point, and if that means changing how the keystone works, then fine

[rose flax]

But, why would that matter? But here

[high gull]

You using a chem nade?

[sonic pumice]

does the % regen for the stim perk work? im startin to have doubts that it has any true effect

[stoic halo]

collector makes it so at worst you have to kill 100 enemies to get your stim back and the only reason people are complaining is because you can't get the regen while your stim is active. if you run high crit and coated weapons you get your stim back in about 60 enemies. 50 if you are running pocket toxin blackout.

[rose flax]

No, blind spot

[mighty belfry]

Real talk. The Enhanced penance needs a serious touch up.

[flat mist]

the stun bombs are incredible, love them

[high gull]

Oh...

[young herald]

literally all stacking DR in this game is, or if not will be whenever fatshark remembers it exists

[high gull]

I mean it should still work nonetheless.

[rose flax]

I have no idea lol, but the ranged/melee kill one does definitely work

[stoic halo]

it only works when your stim is not active.

[hallow osprey]

They're great because I fucking suck and need to make room

[young herald]

sample collector has a massive effect

[rose flax]

They meant the cool down regen stim talent

[flat mist]

you know the minor nodes on psyker that were 5% TDR? they used to stack additively with each other.

pretty reasonable for something to stack additively with itself

[random shuttle]

Yeah maybe doesnt yet

but

[glacial gyro]

boom bringer will fuck up bosses and monstrosities really badly, really fast. Chem nade will do a lot of damage to them too but much slower, but chem nade is also fantastic against everything else too, whereas boom bringer is generally too valuable to fire into a crowd.

[random shuttle]

Iron Riders boss being called LORD MAGLEVIATHAN is peak writing

[rose flax]

He's just that squishy, that even TDR fears him

[fast gust]

It does, noticeable on long cooldown stim builds and chem blinder builds

[young herald]

i mean, i'm fine with it, but FS has decided that's not how things work. And it's not like losing 0.08% DR is noticeable for anything

[glacial gyro]

ngl its why I picked them. That name is literally peak

[flat mist]

i use them for horde clear just as much. that way i get crazy regen on my stimms and can easily maintain 4 stack of chem dependancy with max cooldown stim (giggity)

[young herald]

literally why I'm ride or die iron riders

no other gang could ever be as great

[fast gust]

Tread lighties color scheme

[random shuttle]

I will admit that I love the jokes, puns and realism of Tread Lightlies, too.

[flat mist]

yeah its not a big deal its just weird

[random shuttle]

Tread Lightlies sounds like legit Birmy/Glasogwian gang

they work in tank factories, so, Treads... hehe.

[kind zodiac]

my good sir im a simple creature i see crowd of enemies and i have BIG FUCKING BOOM GUN imma launch that bitch into said crowd

[tight hinge]

their hazard stripes very drippy

[high gull]

Show best gang

[glacial gyro]

That was what I was going to go with first because hazard stripes fuck, but LORD MAGLEVIATHAN won my heart

[high gull]

Only gang with gold on their armor

[glacial gyro]

I mean, it will kill them

[random shuttle]

but yeah

it's hard to beat LORD MAGLEVIATHAN

[coral citrus]

Sample Collector is kinda insane with the chem grenades

[high gull]

That's why I run this with rapid deploy on my stimm box

[random shuttle]

If I was impressionable youth in a Hive City, I too, would love to work for Lord Magleviathan

[high gull]

My team stays stimmed

[twilit tide]

I personally go desperado dual autopistols with 30% rending to obliterate bosses in like 5-7 clips which is like 20 seconds roughly. Armor can take a bit especially with bulwarks

[wise sorrel]

enjoy it while it lasts! they'll probably nerf it hard soon

[coral citrus]

100% Viscosity stimm recharged in like 25 seconds in psyk

combined with this is nuts

[glacial gyro]

Also, the idea of a gang that rides around in fortress trains is kind of fucking awesome

[young herald]

chem grenade is just insane in general. It 100% needs a severe nerf

[high gull]

It's much quicker on enemy dense maps

[young herald]

probably cap the number of stacks it can apply at like 5 or 6

[hallow osprey]

I wish I could edit that Two Face scene from Arkham City where Dent yells "TWO GUNS, BITCH"
But Hive Ganger

[fast gust]

What about stim dispenser explosion?

[coral citrus]

Oh absolutely, but also refreshing your stimm that is granted to the whole team

[high gull]

Toss a nade in a hall full of mobs

Can throw down 2 stimm crates

It recharges that fast

[fast gust]

Or dispenser in general, we ain't hitting the BIG POWER that is the other 2

[rose flax]

probably the biggest reason why stim gets consumed lol

[glacial gyro]

it is without a doubt too strong. There is almost no reason to bring anything else unless you are doing something really specific (monstrosity hunting with boom bringer, pocket toxin with flashbangs)

[stoic halo]

sample collector is the farthest node you need, and is 3 nodes away from stim supply. If you go for sample collector, you can pick up coated weapons for one extra point. so in total, to make the cooldown work you need 5 total points for the whole archetype as long as you are able to get to stim supply. I don't think that's even scratching the surface of unfair.

[abstract onyx]

Is this one good https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07faec3-209f-4f93-9f05-de31958fb125/charlie-sheen

[coral citrus]

What are you running for your Stimm lab? I've got strength & crit and Attack speed and stun immunity

[small grail]

The shivs are kinda crazy

[fast gust]

Attack speed, rending strenght mostly

Toughness regen for hunting showed me it just karking sucks

[high gull]

Little bit of everything with me maxing out toughness and toughness regen

[young herald]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a078a742-cd11-4094-a727-dd15dbe91ccb/the-right-man-in-the-wrong-place this is my current favorite build

[random shuttle]

TBH its power is fine imo. What is outrageous though

[small grail]

I went with crit personally

[random shuttle]

is how long it stays up

[stoic halo]

chem dependancy?

[rose flax]

it's cohercny only sadly, buut there is a replenish version if put enough in it

[high gull]

Sample collector

[glacial gyro]

No, its not, its fine, I don't understand what I am explaining wrong here, its got nothing to do with balance, its all about mouthfeel if that makes sense, needing to not use your tree's keystone because you chem'd too hard is unintuitive when the tree's theme is "heisenberg"

[small grail]

No the one before, sample collector

[young herald]

I mean, that's also nutty, but it just melts entire packs of everything except bosses, and even those it does a fair bit of damage to if you fight em in it

[rose flax]

no from here

[young herald]

toxin just does too much damage to stack that high that fast

[random shuttle]

Sure but imo the dmg isnt a big deal. The big deal is you can drop it on spawn point / chokepoint and You Won.

because it last for what

[young herald]

like 30s yeah

[random shuttle]

30 minutes?

[high gull]

Toss a chem nade at a slug, then pelt it with a needler. Watch the health bar just chunk away

[fast gust]

Crit is good idea

I just prefer rending for allies who keep hitting crushers with the wrong side of the crowbar and bonesaw poison

[twilit tide]

tbf the poison does good damage

[random shuttle]

a good example why I think duration is what makes it op

[stoic halo]

oh, the regen chem mix. p sure it's working, but it only affects regen after the ability has run it's course because you don't regen durring channel abilities.

[random shuttle]

is the post-horizontal lift tram ride in Clandestine Gloriana

were you get the big open courtyard

and a wave of 20000000 enemies

[fast gust]

That rending makes it even better, allies don't struggle as much and I get my dream of Dr.Thrax cosplaying

[random shuttle]

Just drop a chem on entrance and voila, Killstreak god 😄

[fast gust]

Kill streak mod goes so crazy I can't see

[hallow osprey]

Played with a guy named Danny Fentom
He's a Fentom

[random shuttle]

my fav joke name so far

[glacial gyro]

thousands of enemies, reduced to overdosing jelly

[random shuttle]

was Stim Shady

[young herald]

you're not wrong at all, but the reason I think the damage needs nerfing too is you can see a mauler/crusher ball or rager pack headed your way, toss a chem grenade in between you, and literally none of them will survive to melee range

that shit is Not Okay

[undone sorrel]

does stim supply count as having used your stim? noticed my stim would go on cooldown when i throw down stim supply, does that mean if the stim is on cooldown when i use the ability it won't havet he stim effects?

[hallow osprey]

Wait, wait
It was a chick Ganger named Dani Fentom
Like Danny's clone
Blast from the past, holy shit

[random shuttle]

Sure, okay. Not saying it aint overstrong, but just meaning that duration is the first thing that needs adjusting

[glacial gyro]

I think this is why I like the darktide community more than the Helldivers community. Helldivers screech if they get ragdolled a single time, and over here we beg for additional suffering

[young herald]

yes, the crate consumes your stim; you get the effects of your stim by placing the crate though. Only thing you lose out on is chem dependency stacks, because the crate doesn't trigger the keystone for some reason

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/soft-kobe-bryant-no-smh-shaking-my-head-gif-18860898

[stoic halo]

it works wonky rn. if you use your stim before, you can use box after. if you use box before, you lose your stim.

[fast gust]

Hope Fatshark nerfs the chem grenade and not chem dot damage

That would nerf stim dispenser even harder

[stoic halo]

hopefully gets changed.

[undone sorrel]

so basically just use the stim, then the box?

[young herald]

no, because then nobody gets the effects of your stim

[random shuttle]

We here just understand that as FUN as it is to be Godmode Superdude, it runs dry quick and without challenge, there's no joy in success.

[high gull]

To be fair, the box is borderline useless unless you have the stimm with it.

[fast gust]

Stimms for no one! 🗣️

[young herald]

if your stim is on cooldown, then all the box does is give corruption immunity and some minor corruption healing

[glacial gyro]

As one might posit, true fulfilment cometh from the process by which one not only getteth good, but implements that gotteth good into victory

[undone sorrel]

well tbf, have it on a uhhhh, build meant to spam the stim supply explosion

[stoic halo]

if you need it, you can use your stim before using the box and use the box a couple seconds later, but not the other way around.

[young herald]

when you wanna use your stim, just drop the crate instead and the problem is solved; you just gotta make sure you don't run dependency at the same time cuz it's bugged

[stoic halo]

i don't think the effects stack

[cedar cairn]

Hey I found the what dual stubbers special is for

[random shuttle]

I think yes, but putting it into ork mentality - doesn't matter if I win or lose, what matters if that I had a good fight 😄

[undone sorrel]

good to know though, thats kinda dumb though that chemical dependancy doesnt work with the ability meant to go with it lol

[young herald]

they do stack, the box just doesn't get your stim effect if it's on cooldown

[undone sorrel]

hope thats a bug/oversight

[high gull]

It apparently DID work in the test builds.

[random shuttle]

Or run Box without Custom Stims and use map-found stims to spread with box 😄

[stoic halo]

is this confirmed?

[sinful matrix]

I dunno about you but I just hit things with a big stick

[undone sorrel]

test builds pre or post balancing patch?

[glacial gyro]

orks don't lose, because if they die, they died fighting, and if you beat em, it don't count cuz they just come around again for another go

[young herald]

yes, go test it in the meatgrinder if you doubt it. Stim has to be off cooldown for the crate to apply the stim effects

[high gull]

Idk, all I know is a playtester said it did work before it launched.

[zenith fern]

All for a single shot to use in 1 second, worth it

[random shuttle]

Yall using the box wrong anyway 😏

[sacred marten]

The box is a great tool when paired with map found healing stims. Otherwise... very underwhelming.

[random shuttle]

The key is to make shitty 15s CD Stimm

[undone sorrel]

can't even be a drug addict in this bum ass game, why even play 😔

[random shuttle]

and use Box as a bomb

[undone sorrel]

smh

[stoic halo]

okay, but does it not give the effect to you, or does it give the effect to nobody

[glacial gyro]

it is for this specific sniper that spawns in every goddamn train mission

[high gull]

That's a take...

https://tenor.com/view/not-undecided-cringe-eeeekkkk-oh-nooo-gif-9556280905605722659

[young herald]

you get the effect of the stim from the stim, but the box does nothing

well, not nothing

it turns off tox gas

[cedar cairn]

Outside of the clip I dumped like two mags down the laser sight and didn't hit him so I felt very good about that shot

[stoic halo]

good to know

[random shuttle]

I have a Box Bomber build and its super neat to have endless supply of a powerful grenade 😄

[undone sorrel]

very good that it does too since 99% of hive scum won't be able to hold healing stims

[glacial gyro]

Someone has never buffed a pair of zealots and an ogryn with +20% attack speed and a bucket of crit chance

[kind zodiac]

stimm lab not allowing for healing nah thats silly

[toxic dagger]

@random shuttle hop in my mission

Lobby isn't filling lol

[undone sorrel]

oh yeah ive been using a similar build

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[toxic dagger]

Dead game

[sacred marten]

I mean it's good situationally. But otherwise kinda meh so far. I'd rather have a much longer cooldown and a reliable healing kit to drop

[stoic halo]

no u

[glacial gyro]

I think the biggest problem I would have with this is randoms that run around opening boxes and taking the healing stimms for themselves (and then using them immediately)

[undone sorrel]

Ogryns? Zealots? Mate this is the trenches, we only got fent posers and stim pushers in this mf

[kind zodiac]

not bait chuckle nuts and toughness regen is not a form of healing

[hallow osprey]

I wish the Toughness stimm tree granted a little bit of health with one of the final nodes
So it'd be a 75 second wait between minor healing

[stoic halo]

the biggest problem with randms is trying to hit them with the wonky stim hit detection when they have 1 wound left.

[high gull]

Oh you unironically posted that then huh....

[glacial gyro]

Interestingly I have actually been getting a mix

sometimes

[high gull]

That's somehow worse.

[vast vapor]

Stim labs sucks

[vale raft]

I just noticed, the hammers of the dual stub pistols do nothing when you shoot. cannot unsee, literally unplayable

[high gull]

@toxic dagger Wrap the class up

[undone sorrel]

honostly ive only been seeing hive scum and arbities, have yet to see a psyker, i think they may be extinct

[stoic halo]

brother have you seen the kind of numbers you can push out with 20% str and attack speed on the tweaker?

[high gull]

It doesn't have a hp healing node

Stimm lab is shit

Send it back

Tell fat shark to fix pls

[alpine hazel]

the bone saw seems underwhelming and clunky at first but its insane

[undone sorrel]

ive been running attack speed stim on desperado

[vast vapor]

They will fix it

[undone sorrel]

its comical

[young herald]

man, these helmets are something else. I wonder if I can wear this and give someone a heart attack that a captain spawned behind them

[glacial gyro]

I think I have seen one, I've seen a couple of everything else. Lots of arbites though, yeah, I think we got parole officers out here

[fast gust]

Toughness tree for stims is in dire need of a buff

It's only coherency regen and 50% toughness replendish is...a joke when stuff like VoC exists on a shorter cooldown

[kind zodiac]

cant tell if your being sarcastic or for real rn

[undone sorrel]

Never thought i'd be fighting side by side with a fed

[vast vapor]

Can’t wait for next class. Nurgle traitor.

[glacial gyro]

I have already shot people wearing the helm with the fuzzy crest on it several times because I whipped around a corner and thought they were a shotgunner

[stoic halo]

do shivs w rampage, coated, sample, and adrenaline frenzy

[high gull]

Was unironically thinking about this earlier

[hallow osprey]

I agree
I've been using it and... eh

[high gull]

Like imagine a mob 6 captain didn't turn traitor

[fast gust]

Regening 2600% of toughness is painful

[undone sorrel]

ive been stabbing hive scum since i keep thinking theyre dregs

[glacial gyro]

we finally get the admech class!

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

Combat servitor

[hallow osprey]

Thankfully I am blue
My team usually just knows it's me

[kind zodiac]

but yeah the stimm lab not having a healing node is kinda dogwater

[zenith fern]

now they should have given the new golden athorian rat set for hive ganger for funnies

And full captain cosplay

[tribal bane]

this is the only admech class I feel I can approve of

[patent bone]

The common ground between Arbites and Scum: Wanting to kill the traitor traitor

[high gull]

I'm guessing you haven't really thought out why we never got a class that has a healing ability.

And if I have to spell it out, that's kinda sad.

[tribal bane]

i'm still holding out for a beastman class

man

[high gull]

Not today furry

[blissful mason]

It's because it is reserved for a future class then?

[high gull]

[glacial gyro]

I would like it, not just because it would cause reddit to actually become a radioactive exclusion zone, but because I think there is something there that can actually be used

[small grail]

Does float like a butterfly stack with the weapon blessing for crit on dodge?

[tribal bane]

I'D SAY THOSE THAT WANT FELINIDS ARE MORE FURRY THAN ME

[high gull]

They're both awful

We need DWARVES

[short dew]

[tribal bane]

At least beastmen are somewhat able to fit into the lore

[glacial gyro]

Are they??

[high gull]

How?

[hallow osprey]

I'm thinking the healing would be near the end of the toughness tree and not strong
You gotta wait 75 seconds for it
No idea how it'd work with the crate though...

[small grail]

What we need more is rocks, and probably stones

[kind zodiac]

i'm not meaning to sound rude but you are being quite a prick

[zenith fern]

Anything can fit in the lore apparently to all darktide players
(They dont read or never follow the lore)

[high gull]

I try my best.

[high gull]

No

[tribal bane]

shunned away, forced to live in the underhive and now even as far down as them, nurgle is spreading his poxes and rot

[warped grove]

Not really, ur meant to avoid damage

[short dew]

He is right though

[hallow osprey]

:|

[glacial gyro]

I am basically positive that they would simply be shot on sight by the inquisition

[grand jewel]

Would be interesting if you had to take no HP damage during its duration and also had to get X amount of kills to get the healing

[tribal bane]

that or they stole bread or some shit

[high gull]

Look if you wanna know why we haven't gotten any healing ability in game, it's because it literally trivializes the game and goes against core aspects of how it's played.

Imagine having on demand healing

Any time you wanted.

[hot moth]

People said that about Payday 2

[warped grove]

Theyre not heretical, just criminals

[tribal bane]

anything too severe and they're just gonna get executed without hesitation

[kind zodiac]

that would be kinda cool yeah

[small grail]

Thats why med crates are rare

[tribal bane]

I just want another actual abhuman

[vivid crystal]

it would just turn off most of the threat in the game lol

[high gull]

THANK YOU

Someone gets it

[fast gust]

I mean, toughness and DR tree needs a bit of a buff

The other 3 trees are fine altho cooldown reduction only gets good when you hit the on kill effects and remains a mediocre 50% without such

[glacial gyro]

Healing stimms are already kind of iffy but they are implemented well so they get a pass

[tribal bane]

ratlings are a no go because they're just vet but short

[hot moth]

PD2 used to have a system of armor is temporary, HP sticks, and then they decided to make that a fluid thing with two very flexible bars

[vivid crystal]

anything besides crushers, maulers, disablers would just be non issues

[hot moth]

And y'know what? It works because you still get downed easily

[tribal bane]

then felinids are shoved to the back most recesses of the black library

[high gull]

Ratlings aren't implemented because fatshark said some yada yada about height being an issue.

[kind zodiac]

anyway to reset the stimm lab or not?

[flint granite]

oh my GOD this class is so much fucking fun

[zenith fern]

Anything is non issue if you are good at the game

[glacial gyro]

FS also said that designing maps around ogryn's height was a nightmare hell world and they will never do another non-human-height class again

[grand jewel]

Right click the nodes lol

[vivid crystal]

#true

[hot moth]

A class that has very little "buffer" but can consistently regen to "100%" would be interesting

[zenith fern]

no, just remove all points manually

[fast gust]

Crashing in havoc

[tribal bane]

BUT THINK ABOUT IT THE THREE PLAYSTYLES YOU WANT FROM A RATLING ARE THE SAME SHIT AS A VET

[small grail]

I feel like thats different than everything being a non issue because you pressed the ability button

[hallow osprey]

that's why I recommended the end of the toughness stimm tree
75 seconds, would probably heal maybe a wound, cannot cure corruption
Hell, have it be kill dependent and have a cap on it
I dunno
I want the toughness nodes to not suck, really

[grand jewel]

Its funny, some parts of the new map ogryns can't fit through

[kind zodiac]

oh shit well that helps thanks chief

[zenith fern]

you might be good at the game but you never good at technical stuff

[short dew]

Wrong, ur assuming this game works as intended with no bugs

[grand jewel]

But lil'uns can

[tribal bane]

even then, beastmen aren't exclusivly oversized

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-dodge-dancing-gif-9449699

[tight hinge]

what does Cheap Shots talent mean by fully staggered? butt down on the ground?

[zenith fern]

I have dodged all issues since the update besides teamamtes

[fast gust]

Fatshark defeated me with the psyker x cultist special

[flint granite]

also god I want to give the dual pistols a slot in my build but the needle pistol is just such reliable anti crusher