hivescum-class

[lavish parrot]

I see, thank you

[simple oyster]

Ehh
Depends on how much stimms you find in a mission

And if your teammates let you have them

[near vapor]

saw?

https://tenor.com/view/saw-gerrera-andor-crazy-saw-gif-2676523781363347074

[amber sundial]

I mean if you’re going with 3 other hive scum, going no stim lab is certainly an option

[deep moon]

Aw man I was hoping this would have more value 🥀

[simple oyster]

And yeah saw has like a pathetic attack speed without perks.

[amber sundial]

I made the mistake of immediately trying to use saw when I unlocked it

it was so slow

[quick wolf]

My main gripe with RPG blitz is that it doesn’t regen 😅

[glacial gyro]

Remember to always check Melk, kids

[amber sundial]

not everyone needs infinite grenades

[quick wolf]

And krak still outclasses it in my opinion

[winter tusk]

Rocket launcher seems like a good nuke button for bodyblocking and whatnot, delete the room mostly

[near vapor]

wait so it does that realism thing where the back of the RPG can damage?

when your fire it?

[novel oracle]

no cleave vs cleave

[novel oracle]

backblast

[amber sundial]

Singular tick of fire and a dmg instance lmao

[simple oyster]

You can mulch bosses pretty well anyways. Tox grenade can equally help deal with packs of crushers.

[near vapor]

poggers

[broken bear]

cole just wanna say thx for ur autistic ass analyzing stuff

[deep moon]

@amber sundial is Hypex a good thing for the pack? Is just 1 sec seems really short imo

[glacial gyro]

BACKBLAST AREA CLEAR

[amber sundial]

which ones that again

[sudden jolt]

Feels a bit of wasted potential the saw doesn't actually have a sawing motion like a manual chain weapon

[deep moon]

75% CD for melee kills for one sec

[novel oracle]

have you used the h1

ever

[amber sundial]

I mean 100% cd is nice on stim

[novel oracle]

im literally a playtester
ive been doing this for multiple months now on multiple iterations of the class

[amber sundial]

just depends on the build

[sudden jolt]

Yea it's just two ticks

[novel oracle]

hell
this is my talent

[ebon badge]

crowbar dump?

[novel oracle]

i put that shit there

[winter tusk]

Side note the sound of melee during rampage is quite satisfying on hit

[sudden jolt]

I'm having fun with the saw regardless

[novel oracle]

the current values of rampage were also me

[amber sundial]

If you go rampage, take the melee one, if you take desperado take the ranged one, if you just want no fuss regen, take the 25% one

[novel oracle]

like the .3s extension on hit

[broken bear]

ok well typically u say "ur welcome"

[deep moon]

I'm using stimm supply with practiced deployment and fast acting stimms

[novel oracle]

and the current power

[glacial gyro]

same as always

[novel oracle]

it used to be 100-150% 😭

[sudden jolt]

Just wished y'know, it had an actual sawing motion included in it's moveset

[novel oracle]

melee power

[rare stirrup]

Thank you 🙏

[novel oracle]

like what the fuck bro

[amber sundial]

If you’re going stim crate take the 25% one so you are always giving value to your team

Regardless of their build

[deep moon]

Ohh thx

[simple oyster]

Yeah that would've been silly.

[lavish parrot]

Do you think heavily investing into saw will keep needle pistol viability?

[winter tusk]

Good thing fatshark has probably nearly unpaid intern playtesters, or theyd never get shit done

[novel oracle]

if you like the new EWEW on zealot
hi

[simple oyster]

Who let them cook with stimm crate though

[amber sundial]

Imagine if stim crate doubled the stims effects though

[glacial gyro]

I want to tell everyone who spent ten quadrillion dockets on perfect rolling a weapon that I apologize for stealing your luck and getting this on the literal first purchase

[uneven rune]

Any idea which mod is causing crashes when aiming down sights of the needle pistol.

[novel oracle]

probably
these are the bare minimum and you can get away with just these

[rare stirrup]

Weapon customization probably

[uneven rune]

Nah I ain't got that on.

My list is
animation_events
scoreboard
CollectibleFinder
Healthbars
PlayerOutlines
ChatBlock
Decode_Helper
Tree_Helper
danger_zone

[simple oyster]

I'd be happy if stim crate aura for the lingering stims was similar to VoC or relic but then it becomes similar to those.

[glacial gyro]

????????????

Two???

[rare stirrup]

Just bisect your modlist until you find it

[novel oracle]

have you updates scoreboard

[stuck island]

Have FatShark acknowledged stim supply not giving dependency?

[lavish parrot]

Last thing I'll try to do is a shove down a stim crate, so any stim combo recommendations?

[novel oracle]

yes

[uneven rune]

I haven't updated scoreboard nah

[stuck island]

Ah good, that’s something at least

[novel oracle]

ive not found a combo that feels good yet

[solemn thorn]

What does the purple/blue option do on the needle pistol?
Green already punches through armour and deals massive damage to everything else

[uneven rune]

ALso I get mods from Nexus, so most of mine are outta date

[sturdy marsh]

Has anyone tried the dual stub on a desperado build? How did it work

[lavish parrot]

Maybe specing into attack speed only?

[amber sundial]

Top is single target, bottom is AoE + effect based on mark

[weary sequoia]

Blue makes them explode or does stagger depending on mark type

[novel oracle]

green is single target
the other one is a primer that makes them blow up, either in a stagger aoe or spreading 1 toxin in an aoe
the special also adds way less toxin to what you hit however

[digital lynx]

Good generic gun reccomendation for melee cleaver

before i just grab the bolt pistol and call it a day

[simple oyster]

Stim crate with 50% toughness replenishment doesn't feel the absolute worst in clutch situations.

[viral hedge]

Wow is the bonesaw underwhelming

[novel oracle]

needlepistol, dual stubs, or revolver

[solemn thorn]

Ah ok

[novel oracle]

in what way

[simple oyster]

It mostly sucks that the regen boost is kinda useless if anything disables your regen.

[digital lynx]

I like the needle pristol but it doesnt deal well with rooms of shooters

and thats what i need the gun for

[novel oracle]

thats not replenishment

[lavish parrot]

Oh my god the deluxe armor set + bonesaw is almost like bloodborne hunter

[novel oracle]

thats coherency toughness gen

[simple oyster]

Ough ew

[digital lynx]

bonesaw need like most the attack speed nodes to feel good

[abstract inlet]

Dual browning

[tribal bane]

this is why i just chased after the last 2 nodes for 50% toughness on injection

[simple oyster]

But yeah it's going to need a bit more than that.

[tribal bane]

helps with the penance

[abstract inlet]

Just need a fancy rogue trader hat

[tribal bane]

then I can actually make a good stimm

[crude robin]

can you guess who used the needle pistols?

[lavish parrot]

We have bloodborne coat and dishonoured mask it should be good

[abstract inlet]

Fr, it feels so overpowered. Ogryns just get demolished by this thing

[modest hearth]

How are yall building your cocktails? Im thinking straight ability cooldown and chaining desperado

[pearl ore]

YOU don't run wounds because it's leaving stats on the table and it's a handicap or whatever people say

I don't run a wounds because I don't have one and I keep forgetting to throw my cupholder change at melk

[modest hearth]

Leveling hive scum should 100% run atleast 1 wounds relic, they constantly go down

[worn gull]

My hot take is that chem box mostly just needs the bugs / oversights fixed like not working w dependency and then will honestly probably be fine

[pearl ore]

Going on 12 "I should probably get one after this mission" and counting

[thick wharf]

Are ragers considered Mutants?

[pearl ore]

I'm curious

[lavish parrot]

They're druggies like us

And not

[viral hedge]

Its awkward dogwater. Every single weapon is just better. At least the lowest played weapon, the heavy sword, isn't the worst now. At least it has rampage

[eternal crag]

must have perk imo

[sudden jolt]

Maniacs

[bronze glade]

they're different. both mutants and dreg ragers are considered maniacs

except scab ragers are considered cara / flak

[vale garden]

dreg ragers are maniacs, same as mutant. Scab ragers are flak/cara

[viral hedge]

Its slow, terrible swing arcs. Its a chore to use

[pearl ore]

Has anyone tried to old ogryn method of running all 3 18% health curios with 5% health on each of them on scum?

[thick wharf]

Ah, tryna put a damage resist on my curio for em for hive scum haha

[lavish parrot]

Don't you have pocket sand tondeal with ragers

[pearl ore]

I know it wouldn't be as sexy as hp maxing oggys 600ish health

[digital lynx]

No but if you put on a bunch of stam you get attack speed with a talent

[amber sundial]

Just dodge em

[pearl ore]

But I wonder how much health fatscum has

[modest hearth]

Dunno how i wanna build my curios, but the ability cooldown is actually gonna get some use for once

[amber sundial]

nimble talent makes back dodging give you hella distance on them

[thick wharf]

Does the damage resist flamers effect the flames left on the ground by red and green ones or just when they shoot

[pearl ore]

Combination that with the twitchy dodge delay boost and you can moonwalker the fuck out of there

[amber sundial]

Affects flamers direct flame and floor fire, but not barrels fire

[thick wharf]

Copy that, thank you for the help!

[trim wind]

toughness will still win out, being a constantly regenerated mechanic

[pearl ore]

Can you imagine playing hive scum when they had that new fire bugged to ramp damage so hard it was nearly touch on death if it got through your toughness?

[near vapor]

base 150 HP

[north plank]

love, laugh, bludgeon people with a crowbar

[tight hinge]

does attack speed on stimm affect gun rate of fire?

[amber sundial]

Yea

[near vapor]

yes

[sudden jolt]

Special resistances on curios are generally too situational, but there is a case for sniper and gunners.

[amber sundial]

mutants dmg resist isn’t a good pick tbh, their threat is displacement not dmg

[stuck island]

The only penance I have left is 100 missions, I was a Tech Adept hoper but I do love this class xD

[pearl ore]

So 3 18%s and 3 5%s according to my calculator puts hp maxing hive at 285ish

Pathetic next to the ogryns mighty 5-600

[tight hinge]

👍

[deep moon]

Is there a way to make the chem bomb not drop all the fps? 😭

[lavish parrot]

Honestly admech class is probably next one they'll add since moebian steel and all
But I am much more happy with scum

[pearl ore]

But probably enough to take the edge off of scums glass

[blissful gull]

Is tax ace better than shivs?

[stuck island]

I’m the flip, I’d be much happier with Admech as I’ve been an admech fan for a long time, it got me into 40k. But I do like the gangs and glad they gave us choices instead of just water cartel

I’ve also now hit a nice 1 million coins on knife rolls and still no 60 damage

[lavish parrot]

I love that they gave us purple drip for water cartel

[sinful matrix]

nah I just "go afk" when I get bored of the game and am active again when its got my attention

[stuck island]

Having each gang rep a chaos god was a cool idea

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/toaster-boo-futurama-gif-7332108

[crude robin]

I feel like stim supply and dependency dont really work together

[bronze glade]

they don't

[pearl ore]

What do we have figured out for toughness generation?

[lavish parrot]

And hazard stripe fans are salivating rn

[obsidian crown]

first auric, don't tell me HS is squishy or weak 💀

[lavish parrot]

HS is squishy

[stuck island]

I like Tzeentch so I went Tread Lightlies

[lavish parrot]

[obsidian crown]

83 dmg taken my dude.

[stuck island]

Plus their lore is great as a standalone xD

[lavish parrot]

How does that make scum any less squishy

[zinc heath]

That speaks to your skills, my dude.

[tribal bane]

not weak, but calling it not squishy is just wrong

it is very squishy

[amber sundial]

HS is squishy when you’re not constantly using your 5 year long dodge linger and straight up ranged immunity, peak clsss

[lavish parrot]

It's not that it's not squishy you're just good

[obsidian crown]

max it out, it's not squishy, you have immunity to melee on slide and like perma immunity to ranged 💀

[amber sundial]

being considered dodging permanently =/= being able to tank the things that do hit you

[tribal bane]

squishy is being suseptable to damage

[lavish parrot]

One would assume taking low damage as squishy class would make you a good player

[tribal bane]

squishy characters are built to avoide hits

not take them

[obsidian crown]

even when i was getting hit, i wasn't getting hit for much

[sinful matrix]

I think it's safe to say Hive Scum is objectively squishy when Veteran can piss on everyone's toughness to make it yellow and immune to chip damage, and Ogryn gets infinite toughness regen for pressing mouse 1

[obsidian crown]

like mutie slams did like...01% of my health lol

[lavish parrot]

And not magically make the class "not squishy"

[amber sundial]

They always do

[tribal bane]

hvs is squishy because it takes one wrong crusher to put the hive scum into a splint

[obsidian crown]

no, they don't

[lavish parrot]

That's just mutie

[amber sundial]

because they barely hurt in general

[obsidian crown]

they'll do usually 5-10% of your health if you don't have DR

[amber sundial]

they only deal major dmg if you have no toughness

[idle lava]

I have to relearn how to play the game after mostly playing arbi since coming back.

When your moving with HS, you don't take much damage, I have to keep in mind to slide more.

[glad latch]

muties are a disruptor, they're not meant to do much damage directly, unless they throw you in a fire or something.

[sudden jolt]

Or charge you into one

[amber sundial]

yea that shreds you

Love me a roast reject

[sinful matrix]

Mutie+Fire is their damage output

Otherwise they're meant to force you out of position. Like Morb said, disruption

[lavish parrot]

Also they deal psychic damage to my ears

[young herald]

oh hey, it only took 35k melkbucks to get 2x 17% toughness curios

[obsidian crown]

only got 2 16% tough and 1 +3 stam QQ

was hopiing for 17%

[echo harness]

Is this bugged? Its been at 428 for like 5 games now

[mighty belfry]

You need to specifically use the Toughness branch in the Stimm tree

It is extremely stupid.

[echo harness]

I am

[mighty belfry]

You also need to actually replenish toughness

Not just use it when you're at full.

Which

[echo harness]

I am getting shot with stimms up all the time

[amber sundial]

I think it’s like exclusively the injection regen part of the stim and not coherency

[mighty belfry]

Whoever decided that should be a prerequisite, never cook again.

It is such a jank requirement for a penance.

[amber sundial]

for the worst branch too

And the CD branch doesn’t even get a penance

[mighty belfry]

Doesn't even say what you actually have to do so people think it's bugged.

And even with that in mind, the actual act of doing it just sucks.

[heady jungle]

I just completed six or seven scoom penances in one mission. Life is good :3

[vale garden]

Whats the base crit rate on a scum with shivs?

[reef skiff]

six or seven, you say?

[heady jungle]

Also Zorin doesn’t hate Outlaw scoom. He just said to me “Embrace the Lex. It offers redemption.”

[mighty belfry]

Makes sense because Outlaw is actually a hospitable personality compared to the other two.

They just wanna see Tertium be better than it is and has been.

[reef skiff]

Outlaw is kinda just a regular person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time

[mighty belfry]

Reminds me of Savant Psyker actually.

[worn gull]

I just threw a chem grenad and a 5s chem crate, the grenade recharged my stim so fast that the 5s crate hadn't expired so the cooldown didn't reset

[fast wind]

is that the ex enforcer one?

[heady jungle]

Oui

[worn gull]

Anyhow giving the whole team +20% str and +20% attack speed for the much of the mission seems pretty okay?

[main wagon]

I love “We ain’t fightin for what Atoma is, we’s fightin for what she could be”

[fast wind]

I just had a mission where my hivescum and another were accosting him about it

[main wagon]

I’m full JFK with the Scum

[reef skiff]

i chose the male bounty hunter personality and i'm now kinda regretting it

[main wagon]

ASK NOT WHAT TERTIUM CAN DO FOR YOU

[fast wind]

you can easily change at least

[mighty belfry]

Actually went Outlaw after looking a little closer at the personalities.

[fast wind]

been having fun with anarchist

[main wagon]

[gets shot in the face twice]

[mighty belfry]

They're a genuinely interesting one.

[versed spruce]

I'm glad plasma gunners don't have audio again

[main wagon]

Fem outlaw’s voice melts my stone cold heart

[versed spruce]

I really did miss release plasma gunners where it was impossible to react to them

[thick wharf]

67?

[main wagon]

And my main Darktide buddy is playing male anarch, so I didn’t want to double up

We both independently picked savant Psyker lol

[silver mural]

Outlaw and anarchist are prolly my faves. I went for anarchist

[reef skiff]

is it me or does female bounty hunter feel kinda out of place with the other two

[silver mural]

Never heard them besides frip frop

[heady jungle]

The temptation to block you just because of this lol

[limber cradle]

I don't think I've run into a f bh tbh

[ornate slate]

Please tell me Hive Scum stops being Warhammer 40K's answer to submissive bottoms at some point in the leveling process?
I've never died that many times in a row on Malice difficulty before, ever.

[silver mural]

The class gets alot better with all its talents

[heady jungle]

||Don’t bring me into this ;-;||

[honest shale]

No it doesn't

[silver mural]

But tbf all of them do

[honest shale]

stop lying to them

[abstract inlet]

why would i ever use brittle coating over the toxin coating?

[silver mural]

Im a big liar hehehaha

[heady jungle]

Armor

[limber cradle]

Dodge more, idk

[ornate slate]

||It was kinda self-projecting there ngl||

[silver mural]

Hive scum actually gets worse the more you level

[ornate slate]

||Nice to see a fellow bottom tho I mean what||

[heady jungle]

Fair :3

[fast wind]

it's in part a skill issue, it's strong but you gotta play good

[silver mural]

It increases damage taken

[fast wind]

practically infinite ammo is nice

[silver mural]

Someone has to inspect the floor

[ornate slate]

You seem like a candy bottom while I'm a spicy bottom though.

You ask for more
I ask is it in yet with a shit eating grin

[silver mural]

Might as well be you

[honest shale]

Nah if you suffer any spikes of 70+ ping fatshark says you're not allowed to dodge and hive scum just eats damage from the past.

[heady jungle]

Nshcucdusbdusuagas

[fast wind]

I had a melk quest to melee kill scavs that didnt get completed for ages because I never used melee because I always had ammo

[proven lotus]

Honestly, the class gets very good later on. By level 20 my build was 2-3 shotting crushers with the crowbar and rampage

At auric level difficulty

[ornate slate]

I'm that right huh? Called it

[heady jungle]

Nahzh)ava whzuvsvwhwuigwhsu

You can’t do this to me

[ornate slate]

Im a bottom too, bitch. I'm the only one who can.

[worn gull]

Scum has a very awkward teenager phase. Pops off after level 20.

[silver mural]

The bottoms are tweaking in chat

[heady jungle]

Fuck!

[ornate slate]

Thank fuck it's just an actual phase mom

[thin bolt]

Of course the bottoms are scummers

[ornate slate]

Fuck

[winter maple]

Do Blackout grenades need 20 kills within a certain time frame or is the counter for em kinda bugged? Feels strange to wade through a massive horde and maybe only come up with a single one

[small grail]

Since when has this become the bottom chat

[heady jungle]

I’m not a bottom 😭

[thin bolt]

Yes you are

[ornate slate]

Its all fun and games till the bottoms stop tweaking and start twitching daddy

I mean what

[worn gull]

HivesCum

[candid flare]

[vale garden]

The only appropriate title for a scummer

[thin bolt]

Jesus Christ

[queen zinc]

instakill talents and toxin dont prock the kill counter i think

[silver mural]

Did you create your discord profile? If yes then you fucking are

[ornate slate]

The heresy bleeds from this one. Literally

[ornate slate]

^ This

See @heady jungle 's profile? That's a candy bottom
See my profile? That's a spicy bottom

[candid flare]

Cannibal corpse is 5/10 deep dive

[silver mural]

Your profile cant be wearing cat ear gamer headphones and be a top

[ornate slate]

Physically culturally emotionally and philosofically impossible.

Agreed.

[heady jungle]

😭

[thick wharf]

Random but how does Hive scum feel compared to other classes for yall?

Feels like a mix of zealot and psyker to me

[tribal bane]

and i am an autistic bottom

[reef skiff]

remove the H and S from Hive Scum

[honest shale]

A top would have cat ear gamer headphones if their bottom told them too.

[ornate slate]

Looks at your profile to confirm this claim

[tribal bane]

i think my pfp is enough

[ornate slate]

Yup checks out

[grizzled mulch]

Anybody found a tanky build yet? Tired of my off brand jinx

[tribal bane]

used to use one I drew, but idk, I think Henry in Ezio's clothing is funny

[crude robin]

why do i gotta carry the teams :(

[ornate slate]

Got any Bottoms in denial in here?

Oh here's a candidate hold on

[ornate slate]

Found one.

[high schooner]

how r u supposed to regen toughness as middle tree i dont get it

[heady jungle]

I’m a fucking top though. Why does everyone think I’m a bottom? 😭

[silver mural]

The tankiest is prolly a melee focusses build with some chem thrown in to maximize toughness generation and DR

[ornate slate]

https://tenor.com/view/table-mess-lmao-laugh-gif-5126644939264248578

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[thin bolt]

Because you're a bottom

[heady jungle]

Nyooo

[high schooner]

thats what it feels like

[ornate slate]

If the cock fits sweet cheeks

[high schooner]

does the class even have the passive 5% regen on melee kill

[tribal bane]

because you aren't ment to be taking hits, you're supposed to be dodging them like Neo

[silver mural]

Middle tree literally gets the 5 percent per second toughness gain and both emergency gains and the high attack speed to make tough on hit worth a damn

[heady jungle]

Vaxi I just realized we have a mutual friend but then said friend is not in any servers that we’re in together lol

[tribal bane]

you have to out bullet the bullet

[zealous basin]

I come to talk about that one on toughness break talent feeling mandatory and read shit about people being bottoms

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/portal-turret-bullet-whole-bullet-more-bullet-per-bullet-gif-27343905

[zealous basin]

wtf does that have to do with hive scum?!

[thin bolt]

Everyone knows hive scummers are bottoms

Power

Bottoms

[zealous basin]

not mine bro

[jovial tiger]

whats the best guns for desperado?

or is it even worth it over the other two

[zealous basin]

my scum is asexual for sure

[thin bolt]

Ok, fair enough

[honest shale]

Infantry Autogun

[silver mural]

Hive scum are bottoms, thats why in every game they are on all 4s just taking it

[tribal bane]

hive scum play macho, but we're all looking for that one mob boss to be a sissy little sub to

[heady jungle]

I gotta fricken go do my self care. I can’t beleaf this 😭

[zealous basin]

its preference except dart pistol ngl

[thin bolt]

Bottom behavior

Anyways

I'ma go to sleep now

[tribal bane]

actual bottom behavior I physically cannot do because southern parents

[jovial tiger]

Also does the slide no melee damage stack with desperado?

[silver mural]

I really dont like combat shotgun in it either, the reload is so long i feel im not getting alot of value compared to other guns.

Bolt pistol might be lower on the list as well.

But thats just my shitty opinion i spose

[tribal bane]

I mean, yeah, you can be temporarilly immune to all damage

is funi

[honest shale]

I think Desperado with Sticky Hands on a braced like a DB shotty or Braced Autogun would fucking kick ass.

[jovial tiger]

I tried stub pistols because the auto pistols felt way to weak but I am still able to reach the full extension with stubbys

[silver mural]

Just take vultures dodge and be immune to all damage while firing an automatic weapon

[tribal bane]

I fucking love the stubs, they feel perfect for me

[silver mural]

Then die to a trapper

Stubs are great

Laura croft in this bitch

[jovial tiger]

I get more Loaded PSX vibes

[tribal bane]

tbh, thought I'd like the darter most because I am a melee slut

[silver mural]

Stubs are very ammo efficient so they work for melee too i feel

[blissful gull]

what blessings/perks on tac axe? also, what mark?

[tribal bane]

a very drug addicted laura croft with dual pistols that are most likely chambered into somehting like 5.7

[worn gull]

Stubs I think are for melee builds. They're not great for desparado but they do deal with mid and distant foes fine

[tribal bane]

mags are too big for anything less than .45 at the least

[lavish parrot]

It's god's given 45 acp

[spice cloud]

What do you guys put on the crowbar? I tried can opener and limbsplitter.

[silver mural]

Stubs id say feel fine in desperado, but definitely worse then the full auto weapons

[spice cloud]

Theres not a lot of good blessings for it imo

[tribal bane]

I think it's closer to 5.7 or .50 AE

armor pen roughly lines up with 5.7

[silver mural]

Wait a sec are you a fucking goblin

[lavish parrot]

Not a good measurement tbf when apparently shredder autopistol with vet talents can kill crushers

[silver mural]

Yeah the class gets so much crit and rending you can make guns do silly things

[tribal bane]

i mean, it is the 41st mellenium, everything needs to be able to punch obove their weight

[lavish parrot]

Then why does a revolver punch harder than trusty lasgun

[silver mural]

Like i never thought the words "braced auto is havoc 40 viable" would be a serious sentence someone could type

And hive scum just came with the juice

[jovial tiger]

https://youtu.be/wSiUbbVgKyE?t=18 what I feel like playing Hive scum

[silver mural]

And said fuck it. They all havoc viable

[tribal bane]

cus it's a smiff n wessin' .500

[novel quest]

does Difficulty impact how much plasteel and diamantine you get from pickups, or at least the frequency of such drops?

[silver mural]

Frequency definitely

Idk about amount

[spice cloud]

Yes

[novel quest]

Auric qp it is I guess

[spice cloud]

The higher the more reward

[novel quest]

okay neato

just wondering cuz

im resource poor

[sinful matrix]

Frequency yes, slightly higher chance of big cubes and tubes

[novel quest]

so im hopping on arbites to farm resources to build my scumbag

[silver mural]

Wut

[sinful matrix]

its about 800 plasteel on damnation if you scour the map

[novel quest]

but so far everyone is playing NO MANS LAND

THE ONE PLACE

THAT HAS NOTHING

[twilit tide]

doing havoc once a week successfully also grants you a ton of resources

[near vapor]

peak map

[spice cloud]

Yeah more pickup and more base reward and if you do missions with modifiers you get even more

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, doing literally any havoc assignment successfully is the best way to farm resources

[spice cloud]

Anyways guys.

What blessings on the crowbar?

[silver mural]

Can opener

[lavish parrot]

Can opener

[sinful matrix]

otherwise just grind regular ol damnation and blast through the missions in about 25 minutes to pick everything up

[spice cloud]

Besides can opener?

[sturdy marsh]

I might be getting tired of the new mission. It's the only one I'm still consistently getting my ass kicked in

[spice cloud]

Just limp splitter is that it?

[twilit tide]

opportunist is pretty good

[sturdy marsh]

I use superiority

[rain sedge]

the no mans land section is killer

[spice cloud]

Ill try those

[modest hearth]

Half my hive leveling has been spent on train, other half, on trenches

[rapid dune]

Does 'Slippery Customer' work properly? I was just killed mid slide with a melee attack.

[spice cloud]

They all seem kinda meh to me im ngl but i really like crowbar

[silver mural]

That much open space is spooky

[spice cloud]

But the blessings kinda suck

[twilit tide]

personally I've only really used it as a crusher stagger/killer and not really horde clear

if I wanted a weapon that did both and also better probably, I would go combat axe

[languid sandal]

Is Gunslinger Improved and taking Pickpocket actually a bait? It seems like to me if you take pickpocket and desperado, you can forgo all ammo pickups, thus giving your team more ammo, and taking a damage boosting coherency buff instead.

[rain sedge]

i hate it because you get stuck on random terrain stuff all the time

[spice cloud]

Its pretty decent for hordes imo

Not the best but not bad

[sinful matrix]

I've gotten the supply train mission like 10 times today, and the winter mission 2 or 3 times

I don't mind the HL-17-36 train mission

[twilit tide]

when it's not 4 hive scum every mission, it'll help a fair amount with ally ammo

[sinful matrix]

but it gets boring after awhile

[twilit tide]

but yea, I kinda hold left click the entire time and rely on pickpocket and desperado for infini ammo

[modest hearth]

On damnation atleast, even with pickpocket, enhanced desperado, and all the ability cooldowns i still run out of ammo on occasion, you CHEW threw mags, atleast on the smg

[sinful matrix]

Welcome to release veteran with the SAP

you ate all of the ammo on the map but you also killed everything on the map

[spice cloud]

Idk i didnt have ammo trouble at all yet

[silver mural]

Pickpocket on most guns is infinite ammo on any diff where the special and elite spawn is high enough tbf.

But gunslinger helps the team alot on high diffs with not alot of ammo. You could be helping to get a lot of rumbler or plasma shots the team wouldnt have otherwise

[bronze glade]

try using your melee sometimes

[twilit tide]

you don't ever need ammo pickups atm

[spice cloud]

Yeah you get loads

[bronze glade]

i swear this class is going to enable some of the worst habits for a DT player lol

[twilit tide]

especially since desperado gives you ammo in your clip if its empty, including the reserve

[rain sedge]

ammo aura from scum and vet and the team will be good on ammo. hive scum can just ignore pickups and still really help the team with that aura

[modest hearth]

As long as one singular crusher doesnt spawn, i absolutely melt every wave in moments, great time

[high gull]

It doesn't tho

It punishes you for playing dumb

[twilit tide]

it might make you forget how to use your melee weapon but it's like vet on crack

[silver mural]

The only thing this class doesnt teach is ammo conservation

[bronze glade]

well judging from the pubbies i've seen, it definitely does

and then the pubbies drop like flies

[tribal hatch]

ammo what now

[spice cloud]

The melee is really good idk

[languid sandal]

I think on Havoc 40, you may have to take gunslinger and pickpocket just because of the low ammo drops, AND forgo picking up ammo at all.

[spice cloud]

I really like the daggers

[twilit tide]

positioning is the most important cuz you're the squishiest, it's not cuz of bad habits, it's cuz they get one shot

[high gull]

I mean pub players as a general thought are kinda dumb...

[twilit tide]

also does it seem like pox bursters hit you from further away this patch?

[spice cloud]

The dodges are pretty insane

[silver mural]

Nobody knows, but ogryns yell about it alot

[bronze glade]

HIV pubbies are a special breed

[abstract inlet]

I love bonesaw, but i don't see myself using it outside of dedicated melee

[spice cloud]

U are very squishy but damn

As long as u are stuck in melee ur good imo

[silver mural]

According to reg it works fine if you give it allllll the cleave blessings on non melees to max chem spread

But yeah i agree

[tribal hatch]

I keep hearing people say this class is squishy but uh.. seems fine to me. Like what is the comparison arby? ogryn?

[spice cloud]

The blessings really do suck on some lf those new melee weapons

Imo

[twilit tide]

compared to psyker

[abstract inlet]

that's why I say outside dedicated melee

[twilit tide]

it's main defence is dodge mechanics plus killing things before they can hurt you

[languid sandal]

I don't really understand the survivability complaints tbh. Desperado making you immune to ranged is absolutely insane. You can walk into an entire line of gunners and not get hit once, which is something that no other class can reliably do.

[sturdy marsh]

I really like the mission but Jesus Christ it's brutal

[twilit tide]

and most of it's good defence options are at the end of the tree

[tribal hatch]

isnt that how you play all characters?

[rain sedge]

this class is squishier than psyker but 2 of its abilities are "press this button and dont die for a lil bit" but once you are on cool down you die in 2 hits if you cant dodge

[tribal hatch]

[high gull]

The issue is people trying to play ganger like zealot and arbities.

[obsidian crown]

Is the stamina bar UI bugged for HS? Friend has 3 +2 stamina curios but only 4 stamina bars

[dreamy rover]

How is tac ax on scum?

[silver mural]

The class generates less toughness then basically any other class outside of very specific builds and even then you arent reaching the heights of other classes. Definitely squishy, but obviously you avoid damage better then most classes so its fine

[spice cloud]

No

[sturdy linden]

yo, needle pistol is actually cracked

[twilit tide]

your toughness breaks in one or two hits whereas you can get hit like 6 times as most other classes and then your toughness is gone, there's almost no toughness dr in the tree

[rose flax]

Okay so I was wrong, sorry about that, I just was gaining toughness fast

[silver mural]

Is good. Chop quick, big crits, very much damage

[sturdy marsh]

This drives me insane. It's like 90% of my deaths on the map.

[zealous basin]

ngl I forgot this class has bolt pistol

[obsidian crown]

Anyone know? ^ visual bug or actual bug?

[languid sandal]

I think it might be the strongest weapon for non-ranged builds.

[silver mural]

Lol. Level 20 unlock woo hoo

[twilit tide]

anything else like this talent also causing this?

[dreamy rover]

Talking about the new map and geometry problems?

[zealous basin]

havent even glanced at it

[spice cloud]

I feel like blade with dual stubs.

[zealous basin]

when u said bolt pistol i had to check to make sure that was actually a weapon on him

[remote eagle]

QRD on the two different marks of Twin Shivs?

[rain sedge]

i think the map needs a pass over to clean stuff up. theres also some terrain that doesnt let you walk on it, so you are moving normally then your character gets stuck in that sliding/falling motion

[spice cloud]

QRD?

[remote eagle]

Quick Run Down

[zealous basin]

burst of energy feels mandatory on despe

[twilit tide]

I've had missions where I was simply not restoring toughness on melee hits with precision violence taken

[sturdy marsh]

Yes. When you gotta go into the craters. I start sweating if I'm gonna get stuck or not. And pausing for a second on that map is death pretty much

[languid sandal]

Is there any word on the recoil and dodging stat bugs? I think the recoil thing is actually just a firerate increase causing the recoil but I have not tested it. Haven't done any testing on the dodge yet though it sounds more concerning.

[spice cloud]

Pretty much dagger but better

[remote eagle]

No I mean the difference between the two marks

just moveset? once is more horiztonal one is more vertical thats it?

[spice cloud]

Ah one has single target heavys the other is cleave

[silver mural]

Ive tested the bolt pistol in the psykanium and i could only really get at max efficiency 4 reloads out of it in desperado. Not very good imo value wise but tbf it is half its total ammo for free. But it fires a bit slow

[spice cloud]

Single target better

[remote eagle]

thanks

[silver mural]

Maybe with an attack speed stimm

[spice cloud]

I use mercy killer and lacerate

[remote eagle]

Btw the Vraks Vigilant Autogun is INSANE on desperado, I think it might outclass the Dual Uzis for me.

[dreamy rover]

Got stuck in one of those craters then an artillery round hit me, blasting me halfway across the map

[remote eagle]

It does the same damage but it actually has ADS

[zealous basin]

finally

[spice cloud]

I really like the uzis but wothout run and gun they go all over the place

[digital lynx]

just tried despardo for the first time and used uzis and its wild

like i have a lower opinon of randoms now

[silver mural]

Does it kill crushers in under 3 seconds?

[remote eagle]

No lol

[high gull]

I mean that's not necessarily bad

[zealous basin]

I have spent a total of 350k roughly getting just 2 god rolls weapons

[fast wind]

genuinely they're so good

[remote eagle]

Can Dual Autopistols kill crushers in 3 seconds?

[languid sandal]

The very first bonesaw I saw in the shop was a perfect roll, praise the emperor I was running out of dockets.

[spice cloud]

I spend 3 million dockets yesterday

[obsidian crown]

Who has high opinions of randos to begin with?

[sinful matrix]

First time.gif

[remote eagle]

I got unlucky and had to spend 800k to find a crafting base for my crowbar whcih I dont even like xD

[sinful matrix]

My opinion of randos has been in the basement for years

[honest shale]

same :)

[silver mural]

Cole got the uzis to do just that without even stimming. So i dont think any gun out damages the uzis. But idk ive been stubbing

[primal oriole]

can we petition fatshark to give us scummers knuckle dusters as weapons

[zealous basin]

how many weapons were you trying to get

[twilit tide]

yes

[zealous basin]

I have only went for autopistol and saw godroll so far ngl

[fast wind]

one higher powerfist

[spice cloud]

I got the shivs crobar bonesaw uzis and stubs

[remote eagle]

How do you achieve that? xD

raking fire?

[sturdy marsh]

I need diamantine. I need my scum to go tear apart some imperium air conditioners for scrap.

[zealous basin]

fair

[dreamy rover]

I like the stubs but I think I spend more time reloading with them

[zealous basin]

I need to try stubs

[eternal crag]

i dont feel like vultures is the sauce

[sinful matrix]

I saw that scum gets combat axe and went "nah, I dun fuck with anything else" lmao

[twilit tide]

blaze away, damage vs carapace, vulture's mark, unload, quick and deadly, pick your targets, rending stimm, headshots and in your face

[spice cloud]

Same i just play the new weapons

[silver mural]

Idk the blessings but it was all head shots. Basically just every damage perk in the tree that applied and desperado active

[sinful matrix]

I'm sure someone will try to sell me on the scum specific melee but I can't be assed

[eternal crag]

the shivs are nice

but

[silver mural]

You need lots of crit

[eternal crag]

there is enough melee weapons

and the perks on scum

that all can be succesful

[zealous basin]

what talents do u guys think would be on saw its for backup and not my "main weapon"

[obsidian crown]

He used rending though

[languid sandal]

I saw Mister E's crowbar build and...damn I want to try it.

[sturdy marsh]

I'm super excited to try taxe on scum. Whenever I get the diamantine to level one up.

[spice cloud]

No clue i fell asleep testing it

[eternal crag]

melee spam crit bleed build on scum

thats the sauce

[spice cloud]

The bonesaw is a weird weapon

[twilit tide]

You can get like 34% attack speed from this I believe

[ancient basin]

attack speed shivs with rampage and dual stubs does pretty well

[silver mural]

Yes desperado has rending as a node he certianly used rending, not sure what you mean

[obsidian crown]

The stim

[honest shale]

Guys I really hate the lack of UI updates to let you know the Cartel Special is ready. It's infuriating me that I'm taking so long to finish the Chemical Dependency penance because of this.

[sturdy linden]

wouldn't personally recommend saw unless you're going heavily into melee

[zealous basin]

I know it gives my brain a boner fr

[ancient basin]

went with triple revive speed on my curios though because goddamn trying to rez on auric has been a nightmare since the patch

[silver mural]

Cole said in the video in the comments it was without stimm

[obsidian crown]

In his crusher clip, he used rending stim

[sturdy linden]

it's GREAT with a bunch of melee talents specced in

[sinful matrix]

Just remember what your cooldown timer is on it

[sturdy linden]

without said talents.. it's kinda ok at best IMO

[keen mulch]

Has anyone actually gotten the Alchemist penance? is 32 minutes possible? lmao

[honest shale]

I'll just get a stop watch because that's fucking practical.

[digital lynx]

The saw feels janky and has combos that arent the eaistest to learn

and doesnt even that goode

[pale rain]

Combat axe melee build. Pretty damn good. Clears mobs and heavies.

[eternal crag]

rending stim better than crit stim ?

[worn gull]

I know all the talk about bottoming ended a while ago but "I'm a giver! You lot look like takers!" is very horny

[silver mural]

Saw is amazing dont badmouth it

[sudden jolt]

Saw combos are fine though?

[dreamy rover]

Bonesaw has a weird heavy attack that kinda throws off the combos

[zealous basin]

i was asking about blessings not about what weapon to use

[sinful matrix]

this one?

I highly doubt its consecutive in one match

[spice cloud]

Dude we be getting new weapons and people still clutch the tacaxe its insane😂

[keen mulch]

yeah, 2000 seconds is 32 minutes

[sturdy linden]

can't really go wrong with Shock & Awe + Deci

[sudden jolt]

Pa chains into two sweeping heavies

[eternal crag]

other penances thjat are all at once tend to be very clear about it

[primal oriole]

it absolutely is

[zealous basin]

ty

[silver mural]

I use heavy light repear for single target and push light heavy for hordes or light spam if i cant heavy atm and it feels fine

[eternal crag]

its one of those

[subtle sleet]

Hey, do curio ability recharges effect the cartel special stimm?

[eternal crag]

just play oenances

[reef skiff]

guessing that also goes for the "deal 60000 damage while Rampage is active" penance

[keen mulch]

My best on alchemist is 1452, which is basically an entire match, without accounting for the time at 1-2 stacks

[silver mural]

32 minutes is a long mission

Very annoying

[primal oriole]

the humble mortis trial:

[silver mural]

Ive never done a mortis trial

[subtle sleet]

Didn’t expect come across someone with the exact same name

[spice cloud]

32 minutes is havoc level time

[primal oriole]

you should

[silver mural]

Wtf

[dark moon]

The free drip you get from doing penances goes hard ngl

[silver mural]

I have a clone

[languid sandal]

There can only be one

[primal oriole]

the more penances you do, the more naked you get

[keen mulch]

havoc isn't the place to be trying for penances tho lmao

[eternal crag]

its him

[subtle sleet]

EC Ramos vs BA Ramos: who wins?

[eternal crag]

the jonkler

why so samus

[tribal bane]

looks at mask yep totally all earnable cosmetics

[primal oriole]

beatboxes violently

[spice cloud]

Some even require you to

[eternal crag]

the mtx pants go hard

[zealous basin]

pa heavy light heavy easy peasy horde clear combo

[heavy trail]

Doing a melee build, is there any weapon favored over the others?

[silver mural]

The EC one cracked a fucking craftworld and atomized an entire dude with a single sound

[eternal crag]

its a shame we will never get another cosmetic set for scum'

[spice cloud]

I think knife is stronk

[eternal crag]

shank mk3

[spice cloud]

Shank ye

[eternal crag]

shiv

[spice cloud]

But mark 1

[eternal crag]

either way i see riposte and flesh terer as goto

[primal oriole]

scummers, what music would muckers listen to

limp bizkit?

[eternal crag]

papa roach

[silver mural]

Anarchist for sure

[spice cloud]

I like mercy killer instead

[eternal crag]

limp bizkit is too classy

stop

wait

[primal oriole]

"nobody loves me"

[eternal crag]

theres only one answer

ICP

[sturdy linden]

loading into histg gloriana in heresy with a 4man scum team

[zealous basin]

i just read that pa chains into 2 sweeping heavies so it would actually be pa heavy heavy light heavy light heavy

[sturdy linden]

this will surely be good

[primal oriole]

ICP

is a good answer

[eternal crag]

and only ICP

[silver mural]

Or mayve thats too mainstream

[primal oriole]

mudvayne

[eternal crag]

scum look like they reek of shitty weed, sweaty ass and cheap soda

so ICP is obviously their favorite band

[primal oriole]

room temperature pepsi

[reef skiff]

guys you wont believe this but i actually have a private Hive Scum themed playlist on Spotify

[primal oriole]

i gotta make one

[eternal crag]

its just jitterbug on repeat

[silver mural]

My scum listens to alex schor

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/score-dance-80s-dance-gif-10724583839219025778

[zealous basin]

im listening to chinese shoegaze 😭

[dreamy rover]

Well, most of their cosmetics look like hackjobs...

[twilit tide]

no raking fire for this, I do have it talented tho

[primal oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/mudvayne-dig-sped-up-gif-11091821897760066013

[twilit tide]

2.3 seconds is what my stopwatch tells me

[spice cloud]

My hivescum listens to classical music while shooting heroin directly into her eyeball.

[eternal crag]

my hivescum has that song

you know the one

[reef skiff]

death grips

[eternal crag]

rock and roll mcdonalds

[reef skiff]

oh

[primal oriole]

8 ball with a turkey baster

[silver mural]

Mine listens to ram ranch

[reef skiff]

i actually know that one wtf

[eternal crag]

ill take nightmare honey moon plans for 500 alec

[primal oriole]

my scummer takes 40 flintstone gummies and whatever happens that he's not responsible for

[fleet lantern]

So, is the trick just to take basically everything around a keystone? 🤔

[eternal crag]

idk

i took desperado

will go adrenaline

hybrid scum seems to work well

[silver mural]

My scum listens to very super famous on loop

[spark gyro]

in practice is the gain adrenaline on kill faster to trigger than normal stacking? I can't really tell in game. plus I lose out on it during boss fights sometimes

[flint granite]

THANK YOU BRUNT

[reef skiff]

am i just a filthy casual or are alot of the cosmetics under super hard unlock requirements

[flint granite]

casual

[lost bear]

with brumentum axes it's been hilarious

[eternal crag]

casual

[reef skiff]

damn ok

[eternal crag]

all of these are just play

[flint granite]

LOL

its ok youll get it

[eternal crag]

just play with this skill

just play alot

[dreamy rover]

yall ruthless

[fleet lantern]

Yeah, they're kind of all just stuff you get by playing the game.

[thorny ginkgo]

what mod shows passive abilities on the hud?

[fleet lantern]

Keeping uptime on full stacks of Dependency took some paying attention, though.

[analog blade]

Guys what's the build for auric maelstrom

[eternal crag]

vulture isnt worth the effort and is only ranged

[analog blade]

Or h40

[fleet lantern]

And, I noticed that it spends your chem charge if you drop a crate while it's not on cooldown.

[eternal crag]

dependecy requires to much matinence

[high schooner]

is precision violence bugged? i feel like the node just doesnt work

[eternal crag]

addy is just kill

[grizzled mulch]

Bet

[eternal crag]

kill

and kill some more

[spice cloud]

You didnt have to flex on us like that

[fleet lantern]

Actually, is that a bug or intended?

[lost bear]

also is anyone else getting an abnormal number of full 76 weapons?

[flint granite]

playing during the beta has me always checking brunt between runs lol

[lost bear]

can't roll a 60 dump worth a fuck but I have a bunch of the meme 76 spreads now

[flint granite]

are you level 30

[lost bear]

no

[eternal crag]

dont bother till your 30

[high schooner]

guys is is precision violence bugged? i feel like the node just doesnt work

[spice cloud]

I sold my lungs yesterday for godrolls

[flint granite]

cause the rng is fucked if you arent like 28 or something

[eternal crag]

it will be a bit more expensive

but odds are MUCH better

[spice cloud]

Its fine at around level15-20

You will get godrolls eventuslly

[candid flare]

Real. In 200 hours I had every weapon godrolled on every character and only had to brunt 4 of them. I've only been playing since this fall.

[eternal crag]

a smooch on the forehead for whoever can guess how many dockets i have left

[fleet lantern]

12

[spice cloud]

0

[heady jungle]

420?

[tribal bane]

1

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-in-the-walls-walls-goddamn-walls-hes-in-the-walls-hes-in-the-god-damn-walls-gif-27466705

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/weed-smoke-420-stoned-garnaal-gif-11399083784713622092

[primal oriole]

none, because i stole the rest of it

and you cant have it back

i already spent it on chems

[eternal crag]

damn close

[fleet lantern]

Holy shit.

[sturdy linden]

it went about as well as expected lol

[candid flare]

[sturdy linden]

1 thing I have learned

titles mean fuckall when it comes to playing ganger

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-roberto-stabbing-billy-west-philip-j-fry-gif-4051060

[spice cloud]

Fuck my alarm clock. THE VOICES

[coral citrus]

No worries

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/king-von---armed-%26-dangerous-gif-14036418018113420066

i do love this class

[twilit tide]

no speedloader?

[flat mist]

Well yeah... we're all learning the new class and everyone performs differently while their learning new things.

[obsidian crown]

Don’t need run n gun either

[eternal crag]

have it passivly from a perk

run and gun help with spread and damage

[acoustic viper]

Run n gun is lowkey worth it just for the spread reduction

[twilit tide]

it's built in yea
speedloader is another 50% tho, highly recvommend

[eternal crag]

take full use of the sprint speed

[obsidian crown]

It has built in run and gun basically

[twilit tide]

your spread is super low with talents I wouldn't recommend

[eternal crag]

i know

[obsidian crown]

And more reload speed is better

[digital lynx]

the spread reduction makes it super accurate

[twilit tide]

buuuut you wanna zoomy

so I believe in it

[obsidian crown]

It’s already accurate without the blessing 💀

[eternal crag]

spend points on tallents

orrrrrrr

a blessing

[obsidian crown]

You benefit more from blaze away

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-zoom-persuit-gif-17646381782073725526

[twilit tide]

I mean when it gives this and you can take a 50% strength blessing instead

[ocean fiber]

what do we think the best blessings for the mk1 shivs are

[rigid summit]

how do i make solo lobbies again

im very tired of low level players

[obsidian crown]

Mods

[rigid summit]

damn it

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/search-yes-okey-magnifying-glass-gif-10889149

[sinful matrix]

love it when my team eats shit immediately in every horde on HERESY :(

[flint granite]

nice wig zola

[sinful matrix]

I just wanted to try out the new map

alas

[random iron]

hey folks im unable to modify my character to have anew personality anybody know a work around?

[flint granite]

idk what they put in the water this update

[sinful matrix]

Hive Scum is objectively dogshit if you don't have a modicum of skill

[flint granite]

like the personality scourge isnt working?

[sinful matrix]

That's what they put in the water

[random iron]

yeah

[sinful matrix]

They made a very high skill floor class

And the community is not at that floor, and never will be

[heady jungle]

And most folks can’t even get close to reaching it

[flat mist]

Riposte uncanny flesh tearer

[fleet lantern]

I feel like I'm doing okay.

[random iron]

says the fatshark servers are slow and now its just spitting out an error

[steep vale]

does my stimm look good im running rampage and dependacy once i can get it with points

[flint granite]

at least im getting good progress on my revive penances

[ocean fiber]

ok this is what i was already thinking but i wanted to make sure ty very much

[sinful matrix]

Like not to relentlessly shit on people just playing the game for fun, but I had to solo two massive hordes and a boss by myself because my team immediately died

[flat mist]

Taking CDR nodes without going for the 5th one is mathematically a bad idea

[sinful matrix]

In two different instances

The community of this game just isn't that good at it

Such is life

[fleet lantern]

Is this when we can finally admit Zealot is kind of hand-holdy?

[steep vale]

kalma V or just any of the 5th perks?

[sinful matrix]

Everyone is compared to hive scum lmfao

zealot has a literal "i can't die" talent

Vet gets piss toughness

ogryn is actually unkillable

[flat mist]

Go into the stimm lab and look at the amount your CD increases per point spent. The first nodes are 6.25%. Do the math vs 25%.

[sinful matrix]

and psyker gets trauma staff/blazefire

[steep vale]

because wouldnt this one work better since im in a melee focused build?

[flat mist]

Use kalma V as your baseline for your assessment. The other nodes will usually give you even more value.

[steep vale]

im very melee focused so i think hypex will be more value

[errant cape]

how are we feeling about hyper-critical, muckers?

is it worth?

[flat mist]

Good but you need to be aware that kills from hyper crit don't trigger some talents

[sinful matrix]

I haven't looked at the crit chance stuff on HS so I can't speak to it

[steep vale]

when i hit max rank do i get 30 points in chem lab or is 25 max?

[sinful matrix]

No idea what kind of theoretical and practical maximum we're looking on HS

[high gull]

That's not gonna stop me from dropping fent carts all over the floor

[signal swallow]

I tried a new build and it feels crazy good

[sinful matrix]

Compared to say, zealot, that can get 80% or something crit chance

I will say I like the pistols

but I think the autopistols mesh better with desperado

[flat mist]

HS can get 50% crit from talents

[sinful matrix]

Not sure where the pistols actually fit in

[errant cape]

shivs seem to have pretty good base crit chance as well

[signal swallow]

I feel like using all you stimm points is a trap, having a cooldown thats only like 45 secs is worth so much more then an extre 30s to double dip

[sinful matrix]

Agrippina Brauto could honestly be a good fit for Desperado though

[signal swallow]

But i could be wrong

[sinful matrix]

That might be a fun try

[flat mist]

I don't actually know but it could be 15% like the combat blades

[sinful matrix]

There's a mod for that Irosk

[flat mist]

It can recharge pretty quickly with whatever that talent is called

[errant cape]

I wish they would just list base crit in the inspect screen

[sinful matrix]

that tells you each classes' base stats

[flat mist]

I know but I'm not running many mods rn

[sinful matrix]

Not that I'm mad at them for it.

I just play vanilla at this point Irosk

[errant cape]

sample collector

[signal swallow]

Yea ik but i feel like that part of the tree is kinda meh and feels hard to time with desperado

[errant cape]

sample collector my goat

[sinful matrix]

The only mod I actually feel that's "necessary" is the ammo count mod

So I have a perfect picture of the ammo economy of the team

other than red/yellow/white

[errant cape]

it's only three points just go potent tox > extra pouches > sample collector

having an extra blitz is a lot of value as well

[obsidian crown]

You use it when the ability ends. Kill shit with it to regen ability faster. Use ability. Rinse and repeat

[sinful matrix]

I did have the question in the back of my head during that last mission though, of, "Is this game actually hard for these people?"

[signal swallow]

Yea but i like doubling up, max fent

[unkempt tide]

the speedster penance is a jojo reference

neat

[sinful matrix]

Unsurprisingly, the answer is yes

[rose flax]

dude I had to the top with these forshadow exploding pox bursters

[sinful matrix]

I just use the stim as an "oh no, my toughness" button atm

kinda like zealot uh

Fury of the Faithful or whatever

[signal swallow]

The strength stimm tree is kinda crazy

[upbeat lynx]

holy shit needle gun makes twins way easier

[sinful matrix]

I mean there's a penance for toughness

so I'll knock that out of the way

then try out the other three sections

Been kinda nice to use Desperado and Stim as fury of the faithful stand-ins though

[errant cape]

true, 20 strength and 15 rending/crit chance/finesse makes it basically just a better damage stim on cooldown

[sinful matrix]

Get "two uses" on your toughness regen

more like 1.5 because I don't think you can get more than 50% toughness back from the stim, but meh

[signal swallow]

It feels so satisfying

[sinful matrix]

okay what the fuck is strength

I see that it's a thing now

[errant cape]

damage stagger and cleave

[sinful matrix]

but in classic fatshark fashion

ZERO in-game explanation

Oh, so it just renamed the old modifier for that

power or whatever

[errant cape]

it's still called power in some places

[signal swallow]

Ye

[errant cape]

but yeah it's just power

[zealous basin]

Y'all think hive scum would listen to trap metal

I think they would

[sinful matrix]

You know the song that plays on the carnival missions?

[errant cape]

depends on what part of the hive they are from

[sinful matrix]

They'd listen to whatever that is

[signal swallow]

Hive Scum just listens to the Cyperpunk 2077 soundtrack frfr

[zealous basin]

I think

[heady jungle]

Wake the fuck up chooms, we have a city to save/burn

[sinful matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCMMHN6rBMo

this

this is what hive scum listen to

[errant cape]

jesper kyd is so goated

[signal swallow]

Thr dodge range is so funny with hive scum

[sinful matrix]

Unfortunately I only like two songs off the darktide OST

[signal swallow]

You can outrun bosses with it

[sinful matrix]

Warp Traveller and the assassination mission song

[signal swallow]

I feel like the survivability isnt as bad as i was hearing

[jaunty copper]

Hey lads I'm having a great time with the dual pistols, but I haven't found a melee I truly fuck with yet

[heady jungle]

If in doubt, use a chainsword

[jaunty copper]

Closest I've come so far is tac axe but I enjoy having good wave clear

[sinful matrix]

It's pretty fuckin ass compared to the other 5 classes

[hollow shell]

Tac Axe MK2 build attack speed and use an auto clicker

[sinful matrix]

Well, I'd say its about on par with psyker

[flat mist]

could be very fun with scum

[sinful matrix]

But that's also ass

[zealous basin]

Darktide music is hard to narrow into a genre id say like neo industrial gun pointed to the back of my head but yeah

[sinful matrix]

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think this class is bad by any means

[signal swallow]

Eh the dodge talents make up for it, and some of the talents from the bottom middle tree help a lot

[sinful matrix]

but the skill floor starts at like floor 6 or 7

[signal swallow]

I always was a dodge addict tho

[zealous basin]

Please never speak again

[fleet lantern]

I think all the time I put into Infiltrator Vet is paying off a little, tbh.

[sinful matrix]

whereas everyone else(psyker excluded) starts somewhere in the subbasements

[fleet lantern]

Yeah, I've been primed to play HS as intended because of my constant dodging, lol.

[zealous basin]

You could have used any other numbers

[sinful matrix]

I'm 30

I ain't up to what these kids are these days

[zealous basin]

Ok carry on

[sinful matrix]

numbers mean nothing to me

[signal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-cartman-cartman-south-park-67-67-meme-gif-2202083771461069346

[sinful matrix]

except for 42069

[zealous basin]

67 started in basket ball clip farm culture and it became a big meme for basically no reason

[zealous basin]

Based

[sinful matrix]

yeah see and the kids call 67 based

let the kids have their fun

life sure isn't gonna let em in 10 years

[fleet lantern]

Wait, does Enhanced just want you to restore toughness outright, not regen it?

[zealous basin]

This episode I was literally Cartman but everytime I heard it I sobbed so hard I shit blood instead of laughing so hard I threw up

[fleet lantern]

So, like toughness instantly regained by your stimm?

[novel quest]

it's about Psyker level survivability

you can make do with it

[heavy trail]

How do you throw shivs?

[novel quest]

BUT you're gonna have a rough time

[bronze glade]

nah psyker's tanky

[novel quest]

R3

[sturdy linden]

as if 4 scummers weren't enough, people want to carry grims now

[heavy trail]

I'm on MnK

[novel quest]

special fire button

[sinful matrix]

I don't think it's bad yeah

[sturdy linden]

like, brother please

[sinful matrix]

It's just that everyone is dying ALL THE FUCKING TIME now

because it's a new class which always brings hype

[novel quest]

because nobody knows how to play her

[mystic hornet]

Is something wrong with the chem crate?

[zealous basin]

weapon special

[novel quest]

once you play with lvl30 scums on auric and above tho

they never die

because they crap out so much dmg

and know how to play them

[main granite]

Fr I’ve noticed the same thing

[sinful matrix]

infinite ammo desperado go ham

[sturdy linden]

Psyker is much tankier

like, significantly

[mystic hornet]

Cause I heard it’s bugged or something

[sinful matrix]

ehhhhhh

what psyker has is 1 million ways to regen toughness

[sturdy linden]

Psyker is borderline immortal since last update

[signal swallow]

Psykers are abominations of the god-emperor, not me tho i just love chems

[sinful matrix]

but if they get hit by anything big, they fold immediately

[fleet lantern]

Nimble is bugged rn, right?

[sturdy linden]

except both purg and trauma shit out CC out the wazoo

for free

all the time

[jaunty copper]

I need to spend more time learning hive scum, I'm so used to playing tanky oggy leadbelcher

[obsidian crown]

So is desperado HS tbh if you’re good

[jaunty copper]

So the papery scum is a drastic change lmao

[signal swallow]

what sorta build/level outta curiousity

[vast leaf]

i got hit by a melee hit from a reaper on malice and lost 50% of my health and all my thoughness lmao

[sinful matrix]

I mean yeah, that's the big thing. Trauma staff makes you literally unkillable because you can aim at your feet and perma stagger everything around you

[zealous basin]

the god emperor is literally one of the most powerful psykers???

[jaunty copper]

I'm around 20, using blackout/desperado

I haven't looked too much into builds but it's a lot of left side

[signal swallow]

what stimms u using

[sturdy linden]

I'm not denying it but I'm saying Psyker is significantly tankier than scummer. More ways to generate toughness, available right at the start of the tree. More CC. More DR. Hell, more flat toughness nodes too lol.

[jaunty copper]

I think I'm using a very minor one for penance farming

[vast leaf]

my issue with leveling this glass is the cannon part not the glass part

[fleet lantern]

As soon as I got the chem grenades, the cannon part was done, tbh.

[jaunty copper]

Like two pips into CDR I think

[vast leaf]

i am level 25 now and ithas finally picked up

[vast leaf]

okay i should pick those

[signal swallow]

also these talents are goated i feel like i feel slightly less squishy

[sinful matrix]

use the auto pistol + desperado

you're immune to ranged damage

take the slide talent and now you're immune to melee too

[warm spruce]

i need a melee weapon that goes along with a gunrunner build which can melt multiple crushers, any recommendations?

[jaunty copper]

I'll check it out when I get home!