hivescum-class

[silver mural]

Blue is armour being hit

Iirc

[novel quest]

ah okay

[vivid crystal]

red means dead

[coral mirage]

Scoreboard Andy’s right here

Smh

[vivid crystal]

so stop shooting

[low harbor]

it's a bug, after u make ur character u can access them in barber shop

[broken moss]

show me this mod that I may bestow worthless judgement

[manic wolf]

Ok, its a small detail, but its cool that used launchers end up as ground assets

[novel quest]

oh yea I know that one for sure

[silver mural]

Typically if you see blue you should switch where you are hitting or pick a different approach

[main wagon]

I hate the crosshair hud but something similar would be great because the default one asking me to look across my big fucking monitor is annoying sometimes

[coral mirage]

Seeing the launchers have back last is cool

[silver mural]

Unless its a needler, then thats fone

[patent bone]

Another cool detail: the backblast sets any enemies behind you on fire

[novel quest]

EAT but darktide

[manic wolf]

Actually????

[iron patrol]

funner fact, they have physics, you can stand on them

[patent bone]

Yes actually

[vivid crystal]

i know it'd be busted but i kinda wish scum had a way to replenish the rockets

[coral mirage]

I said that factoid first 😭😭

[sturdy linden]

Ok I have a general game mechanics question: is it sensible to just bind dodge slide to regular dodge button?

[zealous basin]

Hey man being told you played well with numbers to back it up is very gratifying

[novel quest]

that is one hell of an EAT wtf

[manic wolf]

Holy shit it actually does, thats wicked 😄

[vivid crystal]

no

[patent bone]

It's peak af

[vivid crystal]

dodge slide takes two dodges

[novel quest]

it's a shame that the boom bringer is bad

[vivid crystal]

you wanna be able to do both

[main wagon]

I’m loving how when characters start talking shit in the elevator, you can just pull out a rocket launcher and look at them

[limpid dew]

man the dependency build is essentially just this image I swear lol

[zealous basin]

I like it cuz it's better than default HUD layout imo

[iron patrol]

unfortunately the rocket launchers dont stack on top of each other so we cant make a infinite rocket launcher stair to get out of bounds

[limpid dew]

just gotta remember to always stimming myself

[reef flower]

So in the stimm lab does each node on the same path stack

[coral mirage]

I’m a darktide player I don’t use NUMBERS I hit the enemies and if I don’t one shot I LOSE

[silver mural]

Another cool detail, the backblast hitbox seems to start before you fire the shot. And the hitbox extends in from of you a tiny bit. Which creates silly moments

[vivid crystal]

yes

[manic wolf]

Actually unplayable

[vernal sluice]

louder for the rejects in the back 🗣️

[zealous basin]

Mathematically correct scum vs what's a number ogryn

[iron patrol]

clearly 2 different weapons, one has a odd number mag

[main wagon]

Rocket needs 3 charges by default

[patent bone]

Now that IS cool

[vivid crystal]

boom isnt necessarily bad but bad in comparison to the chem nade tbh

[patent bone]

One is a higher caliber

[novel quest]

I don't stack "Brittleness".
I don't play optimally.
I don't use push, or block, or heavy attacks.
I spam light attacks on everything. and if I die, I CRY MYSELF TO SLEEP.

[main wagon]

2 just feels like it’s not enough when a veteran with krak has enough to basically invalidate your entire blitz

[vernal sluice]

everything is bad in comparison to chemnade

[silver mural]

Mister e (curse his name) has a funny vid showing it off iirc

[vivid crystal]

boom is kinda just less effective krak

[manic wolf]

Idk, different use cases in my experience

[main wagon]

But I might just need to experiment more

[limpid dew]

it basically fun vs effective. or well sorta

[patent bone]

Why do people hate Mister E so much lol

[silver mural]

Cant believe the drug character doesnt have krak..could have been funny

[reef flower]

Hmmm thank you, and does your stimm have to be available to use for it to work with stimm supply ability

[limpid dew]

or well cool factor vs effective I guess

[manic wolf]

Big rocket is S-tier for Bulwark wall deletion imo

Also pretty good for getting a res

[vivid crystal]

TRUE

[bronze glade]

Just another clueless YouTube grifter

[silver mural]

Hes actually fine on his own, he just has questionable friends

[broken moss]

this might be cope

[iron patrol]

is hypercritical even useful??

[zealous basin]

No it's not because I'm not using crowbar and I'm the only hive scum player to run dependency 2000% legit not a scam

[vivid crystal]

not sure havent used the stimm supply

[main wagon]

He’s kind of gotten a weird attitude when confronted in the past

[amber lotus]

Nothing is S tier when you need to manually find a pickup to use it more than twice

[dim moth]

If he were truly fine on his own he'd ditch those bum ass friends

[amber lotus]

High difficulty missions will have more than two bulwark walls

[silver mural]

There is more then one?

[novel quest]

and krak, and shock mines, and standard nades, and blackouts, and throwing knives... idk I just think it needs a buff

[patent bone]

I must delve down this rabbit hole. But too lazy so I won't

[main wagon]

He uses reshade to turn the lights back on in lights out lol

[broken moss]

cuz he's on the take and tries to play it off like he isn't

[manic wolf]

Its basically only for buying ranged builds more effective melee/making poor performing melee weapons betterer

[novel quest]

we were severely misled by anyone saying the boom bringer is crunk

[sturdy linden]

Tbf that mod is annoying dogshit

[silver mural]

Im also scared of the dark

[vivid crystal]

i cant see how they could buff boom without making it busted ngl

[main wagon]

Got all butthurt when someone was like “hey man maybe just don’t play those when you’re streaming”

[dim moth]

yes but weapon specific

[radiant cosmos]

how do you compensate for crowbar's slow ass attack speed

[novel quest]

it's currently worse than pre-buff kraks I'm sure they can find a way

[broken moss]

you serious?

[dim moth]

it means your crits effectively do double damage IF the doubled damage would kill the enemy

[manic wolf]

Another charge, all it needs

[high gull]

From alot of the tryhards in game, they usualyl dislike him cause he gives bad advice and makes terrible builds.

[patent bone]

Use pointy end to yank cat enemies

[main wagon]

So now he’s “Mr. Turn The Lights On” in my mind

[novel quest]

for one thing it doesn't stack with ranged dmg buffs

[broken moss]

I know he uses the flashlight mod or whatever I didn't know he was cheating that hard

[zealous basin]

He's friends with Tanner and this community has a hate boner for him it's probably more than that but I cba I don't care about drama in a video game community

[dim moth]

So if your weapon has important 2 shot breakpoints

[main wagon]

Ask @steep gyro

[dim moth]

Those instead become one shots

Like the combat axe into maulers

crit headshot will one shot them wit hhyper crit

and allow brutal momentum to go through them

[vivid crystal]

actually yea that could be nice

[silver mural]

Also iirc hyper criticals wont activate some kill effects. Unless it was fixed it wont count towards getting back a flash grenade

[tardy citrus]

restart doesn't fix it. have all the other stuff just not the tats, which is weird. oh well.

[iron patrol]

im using needle and shivs in a adrenaline rampage build and want the pickpocket so i always have needles up but both 15% mag size and double crit kill kinda sounds bad

[patent bone]

That's fact, I saw one of his builds and it's just common sense most of the time

[dim moth]

yeah that is a problem with them

[zealous ravine]

fun happy times

[main wagon]

Gab hurt his ego so much he put them in a video thumbnail lol

[manic wolf]

Weapon customization mod lets you put flashlights on weapons, I wouldnt call it cheating, its just QoL, it doesnt change much, just makes picking enemies out on darkmodifier (which noone plays) slightly easier

[gritty elk]

Ayo, anyone got the science on the max stamina enjoyer build?

[dim moth]

mobile game gameplay

[silver mural]

Who is gab

[zealous ravine]

real

[high gull]

There's very few content creators that are usually liked by the upper end ont he player skill bracket from what I've noticed.

[vernal sluice]

I remember seeing a recent video from him talking about how gun psyker is still a questionable to bad build and he was saying that over a clip of him playing with bubble shield instead of scrier's gaze

[high gull]

Like maybe 5 at most.

[honest shale]

This class can't handle ping or Fatshark's servers. 100% of all your issues are because they designed a "high skill ceiling" class in a netcode nightmare.

[iron patrol]

you hit this and go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[main wagon]

This man got to play Scum before us

[dim moth]

take swift endurance and 3 stamina curios

[manic wolf]

Severs are deffo struggling at the moment

[gritty elk]

This with 3 x 3+ stamina and +2 stamina as perk for melee

[lavish forge]

can we start making it ediquette to tell the team whats in your stim med pack. not cause it's ever super detrimental to not know but it does inform your strategy when stepping into the circle of drugs

[broken moss]

that ain't the one I'm talking about, but putting things on weapons that the devs didn't put on them is cheating. I don't even know what their reasoning is for not giving everyone a real flashlight but I'm sure they have them.

[manic wolf]

Had some awfully laggy games whilst levelling up

[main wagon]

To be fair they have to balance for irredeemably shit players who live in malice as well as the sweaty havoc players

[iron patrol]

correct, free 22% attack speed

[broken moss]

I miss scoreboard

like give me my hud and scoreboard. I'll be happy

[silver mural]

As long as we agree Reginald seems cool.

[gritty elk]

Melee weapons have differing amounts of stamina right?

[novel quest]

ngl I was hoping we could stab our teammates with our stims

[vernal sluice]

Tbf it's mostly justified due to authority assymetry. If a youtuber spreads straight up disinformation about a game mechanic it's gonna take much more effort by knowledgeable players to dispel that

[lavish forge]

me too

[main wagon]

Reginald is great

[leaden fable]

This reminds me of people dying to lone poxwalkers in malice yesterday and raging in chat about fatshark servers and netcode. Good times

[broken moss]

why would you ever do that

[dim moth]

I would do this too

[silver mural]

Ur great >:(

[novel quest]

they are implementing some stuff from mods for QoL into base game so maybe one day we'll have a score board

[iron patrol]

do stamina regen and sprint efficiency to ensure its topped off at all times too, they do but the faster swing weapons dont give as much stamina

[broken moss]

you can effectively achieve the same thing by running the med pack but yea

[silver mural]

Reggie is very nice

[vernal sluice]

Because youtuber said it > random discord person said it

[manic wolf]

Ehhh, it doesnt really give you an advantage in any cases. There is nothing that effects damage or changes values, its mostly just cosmetic stuff, you could, if you want to be anal, argue that putting sights on a gun is an advantage, but i wouldnt personally, it doesnt effect my game if someone is using it

[spring glacier]

And both are equally whiny unfortunately.

[dim moth]

I doubt it but at least make the fucking guarantee weapon swap/ability mods basegame come on

[iron patrol]

i am tempted to try heavy sword and see how fucking stupid it becomes with the extra attack speed tbh

[high gull]

Reginald and ChocoB are probably the two most prominent CCs we have

[sleek grove]

Wait, can you stack adrenaline frenzy?

[novel quest]

they're so easy to regenerate

[dim moth]

Literally all they do is add an input buffer when you press the button so the server doesn't eat your inputs

[broken moss]

gives you a huge advantage in dark areas. most importantly lights out missions

[high gull]

Tanner is known but not liked outside of the people who don't see how awful of a human being he is.

[iron patrol]

if you get another 30 stacks it refreshes

[dim moth]

no it just resets the timer

[silver mural]

Im glad im not malice bad, but idk if im much better

[sleek grove]

Oh kk

[manic wolf]

Which noone plays lol

[zealous basin]

Reginald helped me test reload speed on dual pistols before scum officially released

[high gull]

you're a playtester?

[honest shale]

I mean, if you get the version of Darktide to boot that refuses to acknowledge the netcode around sound cues, then I'd be pissed too. This game is fucking buggy to fuck and everyone complaining about the fucking buggy to fuck is valid in their complaints about fucking buggy to fuck.

[dim moth]

tbh fuck those missions I sympathize with this

[broken moss]

I mean, I play them. if I get two in a row I'll dip but I'm not abandoning a game over that mod

[zealous basin]

No

[sturdy marsh]

I wish the event dropped with the class. I'm out of diamantine

[dim moth]

though my sympathizing with it involves using weapon customization to put a flashlight on every gun

[silver mural]

Even if he wasnt racist, which tbf could just be edgy (until i saw a vid that convinced me he isnt edgy, but legit racist) he is an asshole to begin with

[zealous basin]

I just have connections to the deep state

[spring glacier]

Great rage bait

[novel quest]

Reginald must be pretty active in his own community, it seems like every reginald fan has played with the guy

[high gull]

How'd he help you test something you didn't have access to?

Or were suppose to have access to.

[iron patrol]

yo these 2 on heavy sword with max attack speed for just hella horde clear?

[zealous basin]

Someone I know said it was bugged I relayed the info to him and he tested it for me and confirmed it was true

[north crow]

streamers could invite ppl over the weekend

[dim moth]

heavy sword doesn't horde clear with cleave it horde clears with deathblow to instantly kill 5+ dudes every swing

[lavish forge]

like i think like, if its +22 attack speed and I'm dying then I'm gonna stay cautious but if it gives you toughness then that changes things. yes you can often just tell based on your effects while in it but its nice to know beforehand bc in tight situations I tend not to read all the effects onscreen

[sleek grove]

Absolutely never, every puff is a new surprise

[high gull]

Isn't that against NDA to disclose info about a class before it gets release info?

[dim moth]

Somebody sprung a leak

[zealous basin]

No it was during the media patch

[silver mural]

I thought those sound cues were mainly an issue in high diffs. Smth to do with the amount of enemies messing stuff uo

[high gull]

Ah

[dim moth]

It's also doors

Doors and entryways are fucky

[lavish forge]

lmao

[spring glacier]

He's rage baiting, don't give him proper acknowledgement

[silver mural]

Yes i think cole has a clip where a door opens and a silent poxwalker explodes

[sleek grove]

Is it gonna be good? Nope, just 2 point in everything just to spite people

[nocturne basalt]

Tanner Lindberg? I only first heard of them today but from their content they just seem super hateful and aggressive

[spring glacier]

He's very whiny

[leaden fable]

Sound queue issues do exist and are not related to netcode afaik

[high gull]

Brother has been ousted from atleast 3 gaming communities....

[silver mural]

But thats my secret, im always angry >:(

[high gull]

One of them he tried blackmailing a CM

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1439856906071183370/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.11.16_-_23.12.35.19.DVR_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=6931cb7d&is=693079fd&hm=fe9db767087fd0d0b11d09fd31f4e24593f6bd1b9db585c6508a684401adcffd&

[high gull]

Guy is a weeee bit unhinged...

[dim moth]

I have this one

[sleek grove]

Btw for needle gun, Damage is really the dump stat?

[fleet lantern]

Is the toughness regen stim not working correctly?

[main wagon]

Genuinely have been feeling like I haven’t been getting half of the sounds in the game. Like I never had issues with silent bursters, randomly slapped by poxwalkers while actively mulching horde, etc until the last couple updates

At least I might not be crazy

[dim moth]

literally if I did not have danger zone mod I would not have known that poxburster was there

[sturdy linden]

The funniest random fact I found out about Tanner on this discord was that he got banned off of STEAM FORUMS. Like, imagine how unhinged you have to be to manage that

[gritty elk]

Tanner lingberg hate can be summarized as this

[bleak moon]

any dope ass stimlab recipies people got?

[sleek grove]

Toughness regen is the base absolute dogshit regen you have while being in coherency

[amber sundial]

dont use top left stim branch

[high gull]

It goes more into his awful behavior and not him being autistic.

[fleet lantern]

Oh, so even with a full stim lab buff on it, it's not going to be great.

[gritty elk]

Hit him

Hot him

Autocorrect making things real

Both are applicable

[sleek grove]

Nah, never really, unless people stack that %. But it does give 50% thoughness and a bit of DR it's not terrible. Plus it's a penance

[leaden fable]

Kill all clankers including autocorrect

[amber lotus]

Are the dual pistols bad? Because they feel incredible

[limber cradle]

Is it needle 2 or 6 that does the aoesplosion?

[high gull]

I've seen the maid outfit photo, I do not agree with this comment.

[amber lotus]

They just have such a nice mouthfeel

[fleet lantern]

Yeah, the penance is why I started running it, plus thinking it would be a temporarily-invulnerable buff, basically. But, I didn't release it was such a low base.

[nocturne basalt]

I've seen like maybe 2 videos and he's just a hateful asshat, whining and screaming about the rocket launcher or the chem stim or some bs

[leaden fable]

Pretty sure they scale hard from ass at low power score/ level to very good later on

[silver mural]

He made a vid complaining about white racism, which i think tends to be a red flag coming from someone who makes edgy jokes. Like if you cant handle someone joking you dont use spice idk how you can make the jokes you do and not be incredibly biased

[sleek grove]

I feel like they're mid, not great as other weapons for desperado, but not being awful

[dim moth]

they are okay, only okay because they are currently bugged and their critical bonus stat doesn't work

they would be very good if it was working

[high gull]

His comments about trans people was also a bit on the wtf side.

[fleet lantern]

I need my Show cosmetics.

[dim moth]

but it doesn't so they're missing crit chance and crit damage they're supposed to have

[iron patrol]

man i hope they rework these to be toughness regen per second cause i am NOT popping a stim to get 100% extra coherency toughness regen speed dawg

[novel quest]

they're really good rn and once the crit thing is fixed they'll be great

[spring glacier]

He takes a basic criticism and then just goes ballistic in the most obnoxious way imaginable, thats his whole shtick

[amber sundial]

regen per second or replenishment would be nice

[novel quest]

I'm investing in dual stub pistols, I just know that shit is gonna go bonkers when it's fixed

[icy stag]

don’t forget the penance to regen 2600% toughness under stimms or whatever it was thats almost nigh impossible

[dim moth]

would you pop a stimm for 20% less damage taken

[high gull]

This is my end goal before I go to bed.

[rare idol]

ok there really is just zero synergy btw chem dep and the chem bag lmao

[fleet lantern]

Godspeed. I keep getting D/Ced today.

[sleek grove]

I mean the really awful node is

[azure mist]

The actual good part of it is is gated at the 4+ upgrades where it’s actually giving you toughness

[sleek grove]

5% for what the 1 node gives is mad

[iron patrol]

i can gate health damage by topping off my toughness, i cant prevent it with damage reduction no matter how much

[dim moth]

Tank

[main wagon]

Bottom left for the -50% recoil and +30% reload speed with the bottom right “Ranged kills reduce cooldown by 75% for 1s”

Use your autopistol magazine to kill ranged enemies but don’t reload. Get your cooldown back as much as you can, then pop desperado to auto reload with free conjured ammunition

[sleek grove]

TANK

[main wagon]

These things are bullet hoses

[rare idol]

id be better off going bag + frenzy or rampage + chem

[lavish forge]

i hate him. he seems determined to make this VIDEO GAME a chore instead of fun

[main wagon]

Just straight lasers if you build them right and hit the cha cha slide

[iron patrol]

its also -16%, the 5th tier of it doesnt even give reduction lmfao

[near vine]

Can someone explain the "Hyper Violence" passive like im 5 years old please?

[honest shale]

Use this instead.

[iron patrol]

or hit this

[amber sundial]

kill enemy, big damage that kills enemy gives bonus dmg, continue stacking big dmg on kill per kill

[silver mural]

Thats a tiring debate, especially with usually science savvy individuals going to the wrong side and claiming the science supports their wrong opinions.

Its the new "should gay people be able to get married" type shit where one side is reasonable while the other has to witch hunt to try and have ground to stand on.

[somber blade]

this is so fucking broken

[nocturne basalt]

at this point I just always have the first tick in that side of the chem tree to passively get it, I NEED the shirtless skin

[sleek grove]

As usual the most boring part is hitting 100 games

[near vine]

So dad, if i understand what youre saying right, the extra damage carries over to the next attack?

[coral citrus]

So Stimm Supply doesn't interact with Chemical Dependency?

[iron patrol]

you have 100 ammo no matter what in the reserve, with a full mag thats basically 3 mags of ammo, if you dont get a single elite kill with 3 mags of dual autopistol volleys you deserve to run dry

[amber sundial]

any melee attack in the one second

[sleek grove]

Seems not to since you huff the stimm after you use it

I would guess it's a bug, because if it's intentional it's INSANE

[near vine]

Sweet, thanks dad

[coral citrus]

Very odd to have the same column abilities with anti synergy

[vast leaf]

this class is exposing my skill issues

[gritty elk]

perks and blessings on needle pistol? also what dump stat?

[silver mural]

Also the amount of people who try to use science to support their views then quote a blog and dont even know how to find actual papers is worrying to me.

I have family who deny basic scientific facts and its insane the leaps they make. Like flat earther level of science denial while claiming it supports them

[gritty elk]

mobility or stability?

[gritty elk]

i dont believe in space

[silver mural]

Thats fair

[iron patrol]

anything

[gritty elk]

even damage?

[spring glacier]

I dumped mobility, and went for run and gun, and the one that gives range damage immunity

[nocturne basalt]

needle pistol is genuinely only used as a chem applicator afaik

[iron patrol]

doesnt change the DoT as far as i tested

[sleek grove]

What does the cleave do on the Needle gun btw?

[gritty elk]

what's difference between 60 and 80?

[spring glacier]

But yeah you can dumb anything on the gun, because its more of a tool than a proper weapon

[amber lotus]

This isnt a problem with people not having niche knowledge oft he sciences. People cant be an expert in everything, thats literally what "expert" means. Specialized.

This is a problem with the number of different outlets that are financially incentivized to lie to masses of people

[iron patrol]

it deals fucking 20 damage i dont thing it matters if i deal the 3 extra damage on impact

[silver mural]

Like maybe 5 to 10 damage

[azure mist]

It doesn’t I’d suggest popping your stim first then dropping supply

[steep gyro]

yeah he uses reshade to highlight the edges of meshes in lights out missions

[honest shale]

the special mode attacks are aoe and use cleave.

[lavish forge]

personally i prefer joplaysgames her humor is a little hit or miss but I way prefer talking about lore and character stories and stuff than micromanaging mechanics

[azure mist]

Cause then youll always have uptime on both

[grave venture]

I imagine its the explosion

[steep gyro]

he put me in the thumbnail once because i called him out on forums

[elder needle]

2 does the stagger explosion, 6 spread a stack of toxin aoe

[steep gyro]

funniest shit ever

[azure mist]

Just make sure to use stim when it’s off CD before you drop your supply

[main wagon]

@honest shale They asked for stimlab not talents lmao but yeah that’s a great choice

[coral citrus]

But then the supply doesn't get the stimm effect

[grave venture]

Wait its just stagger?

[iron patrol]

i use this personally cause its legit sole use is to shoot a crusher 4 times and focus on something else

[nocturne basalt]

what's the difference between the needle marks

[broken bear]

ppl r just fuckin dumb too

[limber cradle]

Thank you

[azure mist]

Cause if not it’ll put your stim into CD

[main wagon]

You both had the same idea

[fervent steppe]

anyone know what the current best build is to carry teamates? i keep being the last guy alive but have no burst dmg rn.

[somber blade]

legit, used the dual uzis and played on the new map i kept on shooting for a solid 22 min without running out of ammo xd

[amber lotus]

Okay but whats harder, make everyone not be fucking dumb or punish the people who build careers on spreading misinfo on purpose?

[spring glacier]

Like I said the gun is more of a tool for applying chem tox, you're not going to be using it for much else

[broken bear]

well!

[grave venture]

That mark yes, but the chem spread you can pop into a few enemies in the horde before going into melee and kill every single one

[gritty elk]

real question is, does hotshot make headshots cleave into another target?

[thorny ginkgo]

is sample collector worth taking?

[somber blade]

cant punish people spreading missinfo on purpose cause they make the rules smh smh

[broken bear]

lmao

[amber lotus]

Only because we didnt punish them

[iron patrol]

cool i have shivs and 90% attack speed for that

[frigid adder]

Whats the dumb stat looking like on needle pistols fellow crack heads?

[broken bear]

cant punish the isr-

[grave venture]

Cool but you can also shoot an ogryn 4 times and ignore it

[iron patrol]

stopping power/damage

[main wagon]

Stability IIRC

[silver mural]

Its the part where they think what they are quoting is a scientific source that irks me. Its one thing to misread data or be ignorant or smth but a blog post doesnt over rule hundreds of papers is what i mean.

If you spoke to a YEC or smth you might understand my plight

[broken bear]

sorry federal agent in my computer you saw nothing

[thorny ginkgo]

stability

[iron patrol]

gamer thats literally what i said

[grave venture]

Oh wait so does it only apply to the initial prick?

[broken bear]

just become the expert

ezpz

[frigid adder]

aight

[somber blade]

come on always dump damage

[iron patrol]

dude stability atleast helps you snipe stuff off in the distance damage and stopping power is meaningless for this thing

[patent bone]

I don't believe Earth exists

[gritty elk]

mobility dump on hacksaw?

[grave venture]

Im aware, just saying its more versatile

[broken bear]

Math isn

isnt real

[iron patrol]

yeah the chem DoT is seperate

[silver mural]

That fair, ive never seen it myself

[broken bear]

god FUCK i got used to fake nails and now i cant type with normal ones

😭

[patent bone]

Ikr like where do source?

[somber blade]

skill issue

[grave venture]

And it doesnt stagger anyways so why even bother with damage and stopping power if neither do anything for it

[main wagon]

For the same but greater reason as zealot, we dump mobility because we are the mobility

[patent bone]

Noob

[manic wolf]

Simply grow longer nails

[silver mural]

"Drinking bleach will kill you"

Erm source???

[broken bear]

oh suck my tit

[grave venture]

Youre just correct here

[somber blade]

me i died

[somber blade]

sure present them

[silver mural]

Maybe... depends what do you look like

[patent bone]

"Don't stare at the sun, it'll blind you"

Bitch, how do YOU know?

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-awkward-worried-nervous-embarrassed-gif-4782036

[main wagon]

SCUM WILL NOT BECOME ZELCHAT 2

[iron patrol]

you just reminded, i came back to playing darktide which i use sprint hold so i legit had to stand still mid mission to cut my pinky nail in order to press shift properly lmfaooo

[thorny ginkgo]

it’s the tylenol

[main wagon]

BAD SCUM

[broken bear]

LMAO???

[manic wolf]

I give it three days

[broken bear]

dawg even zelchat aint that bad

and im one of the worst zelchat residents

[patent bone]

My Scum is a holy follower of Ammunition. He shoots. Every bullet a prayer, every kill a sermon

[somber blade]

Release date veteran chat was something might have been even worse than peak zealot

[main wagon]

WE KISS OUR HOMIES FOR BUSINESS, NOT FOR PLEASURE (at least on the surface)

[silver mural]

Wait a second

[iron patrol]

zealot was seen as the crackhead class, we now have the literal crackhead class in game, this place IS the zel chat

[grave venture]

Fr we have to keep zelchat from becoming scumchat

[manic wolf]

Christ I remember that... I wish I didnt, but I do

[silver mural]

Who let LEX in the chat. We hate the lex here

[somber blade]

0/10 crackhead class cant even name ourselves fent 😭

[patent bone]

Bet this Lex wouldn't last five minutes in the underhive

[somber blade]

the great veteran purging

[main wagon]

Usually gotta wait for Cica and some of the regulars to wake up for it to get freaky but since Bandit and some of the others have been smited it’s pretty tame now

[rare idol]

yep stim bag BEGONE

[thorny ginkgo]

time to go back to psyker

[honest shale]

I couldn't name myself Bongdruid either.

[broken bear]

pov i named my scum anti lex

[spring glacier]

I always viewed zealot as the average Hallmark channel viewer

[broken bear]

cica isnt shit

[main wagon]

Cica just scares normal people asking for build advice lol

[silver mural]

Cica is someone

[south portal]

to be perfectly clear here zealot is now just updated to “a” crackhead class while the scummer is “the” crackhead class

[iron patrol]

oh so thats why i havent seen people strolling around with fent in their name

[broken bear]

im the one who will randomly mention eating dog and having a gun in my mouth during uhhhh

[steep vale]

Chat what do i want on bonesaw

[patent bone]

Poison

[iron patrol]

who the fuck is hallmark

[thorny ginkgo]

i’m so sick i have to remake all my builds

[grave venture]

Named my scum Skivvies

[steep vale]

Blessings and perks

[patent bone]

They make the best Christmas movies

[main wagon]

Sweet Baby Ray’s

[broken bear]

FUCK do i need to update my mods

[manic wolf]

Just double up on a letter somewhere, its how I called my Psyker Connie Linngus 😄

[silver mural]

Its like room mark but longer and less wide

[main wagon]

Yeah

[grave venture]

Those god awful christmas movies

[broken bear]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[somber blade]

you can get a few fents through but it has to be in a long word like Gorgeousfentman (yes someone got this name)

[main wagon]

Lot of them are borked again too. No scoreboard for u

[pale cliff]

The coom grenade slows my game down to a halt

[south portal]

kitschy christian moral middle america tv show and movie network

[iron patrol]

ah

[somber blade]

excuse me its popcorn grenade

[broken bear]

is scoreboard the only borked?

[narrow hawk]

555

[silver mural]

The hall mark villian is always some normal person who wants to get a Christmas bonus to help their family

[manic wolf]

Whereas we want a chistmas bonus to buy more drugs

[silver mural]

I steal my drugs

[south portal]

anyway i rejoined this god awful discord so i could get the news on the new class how the reception to it and its class weapons

[patent bone]

I love that one Hallmark movie where this married couple is getting ready for Christmas than the wife's ex comes back and they're all happy n shit and they both go out again, Husband gets angry at this (he's the bad guy) and walks out leaving the wife alone but the ex comes to the rescue and goes out with her again, then everyone in the end all come for Christmas dinner and are happy n shit.

[main wagon]

Nah sadly there’s a pin in the modding Discord with all the affected ones

[patent bone]

Absolute cinema

[manic wolf]

Not steal, "liberate", its classier

[broken bear]

whats the link for it

the disc

[north crow]

what are the cleave values on the saw, wrath worth it?

[south portal]

this plot can’t be less than 10% of all hallmark movies

[grave venture]

There's always an exasperated business woman returning to her small town home and getting with one of her old acquaintances

[iron patrol]

my pc wants to kill itself when i walk into 3 chem scums that all spam toss their nades at the first horde

[silver mural]

Cacaw (raven noises)

[broken bear]

10%? more like 50%

[broken bear]

USA maxxing

[patent bone]

That's the best part! It's not!! I can just watch the same movie with just different characters and locations!
It never changes!!

NOT ONCE

[iron patrol]

can we like, shame chem scums that toss nades at peoples feet when they pop rampage

[silver mural]

Idk if the meme where you make a raven sound when you steal something is wide spread or not. Hopefully everyone knows the birds tendency to take shiny things

[iron patrol]

i swear to god popping stim + rampage only to get cucked by a dude tossing nuclear waste at the choke fucks with me so bad

[dim moth]

go feral on him in chat before rampage ends

[somber blade]

just run the full cdr stim with 1-2% cdr on stim on close kill perk never need to leave rampage during hordes

[spring glacier]

I love how the chem grenade isn't anything fancy, its just a literal tin can and the pin pull animation is just peeling it open

[dim moth]

soup can

[somber blade]

belle delphine bathwater after 2000 years

[silver mural]

Stinky stinky stinky

[grave venture]

Hallmark movies only exist so that middle class couples in their thirties can feel lovey, istg that's why they don't actually care about the plot

[grave venture]

It's slinky

[versed spruce]

Wish they would make Desperado apply to reloads that extend after the ability is over

[sand tendon]

chem nade is so blatantly overpowered

[grave venture]

[silver mural]

:(

[tranquil fjord]

do you think the inferno staff fx mod will apply to chem nades soon

i hope so

[gritty elk]

ayo, how does stimm supply work?

[grave venture]

If this chat is right, it doesn't

[silver mural]

It supplies stimms

[iron patrol]

its not that i wasted the cooldown, its that i am just in a worse off spot now, re-popping the ability doesnt remove this and you cant close kill shit because they are dead already

[tranquil fjord]

my game already cant handle all of the chems

[somber blade]

trust me bro its balanced can only put 8 stacks on bosses

[normal steeple]

it's like proccing perilous combustion 20 times

[gritty elk]

if my stim is on cooldown, if i pop the ability, does it apply the stim or does the stim have to be up

[high gull]

So ideally it uses your custom made stimms when you deploy it, outside of that it clears a not fully corrupted bar.

[high gull]

Stimm has to be up to apply to the crate

[gritty elk]

sounds right

[silver mural]

I like how the rampage downside is to get a normal stamina regen

[grave venture]

I can handle chems, but not those missions with that one desert tile that obliterates my fps

[dim moth]

far worse than normal stamina regen even

[worn canopy]

or general-chat 2

[iron patrol]

that you can negate with curios lmfao

[dim moth]

also it sets your stamina straight to zero

there goes all your attack speed

[gritty elk]

but dang, chemical dependency doesnt stack when you stimm from the ability

[warped grove]

After leveling up Hive Scum and playing around with him for a while with all 3 ults and keystones

Class is probably the most fun ive had in dt in my 700 hours

[dim moth]

and if you block something you die

[grave venture]

He is big boss

[silver mural]

Oooo i havent used it yet, i guess the stagger on rampage end might be a good defensive node to try and create a little safety

[iron patrol]

and your damage reduction, you do hit harder for a bit though

[proud rapids]

what is the best horde clear melee?

[turbid fulcrum]

I just unlocked the needler and holy hell it's fun. The weirdest sidegrade to the revolver.

[silver mural]

The one that clears the hordes

[patent bone]

Shivs

[woeful hill]

rashad combat axe

[turbid fulcrum]

Rashad axe

[warped grove]

Shivs light spam or Heavy crowbar

[silver mural]

Is shivs better clear then combat blade

[patent bone]

What's Rashad axe?

[dim moth]

heavy sword

[woeful hill]

combat axe

[turbid fulcrum]

combat axe mark

[patent bone]

Yes

[warped grove]

Its a better balance of strikediwn and vanguard

[slender nexus]

has losing toughness always stun locked you idk why it stands out so much on this class

[warped grove]

Yes

[iron patrol]

better than the revolver, this thing is fucking anti-anything, crusher? 4 shots and its dead, pogryn? just 20 shots, you have the mobility to literally dodge loop it in a fucking circle and the DoT dps is fucking absurd

[patent bone]

Oooo. How is it on Caterpace?

[dim moth]

mhm

[warped grove]

Hive scum doesnt have much toughness to begin with and being brought to a full stop with the movement class is especially noticeable

[normal steeple]

hive scum is the tankiest class

[silver mural]

I suppose it does seem to swing a tad slower to compensate. At least it feels like it does ill have to test them back to back

[turbid fulcrum]

good, solid. Not amazing, That axe is low key one of the strongest weapons in the game but always a bit under the radar. You need the brutal momentum blessing on it though

[patent bone]

Might give it a try

[silver mural]

I like the rashads moveset

[iron patrol]

this is why this thing is mandatory unless youve literally snorted crack before the mission and are playing at peak

[silver mural]

Also spamming heavies is fun with it

[patent bone]

I love the shivs. Just kept dodging and slicing and only managed to get hit once in melee

[south portal]

idk about this lol at launch other than power sword it was widely considered the best melee weapon lol

[slender nexus]

damn playing dueling sword psyker i always felt in control of my character idk how i never noticed

[turbid fulcrum]

Ah yeah the moveset is as braindead as it gets (which I like)
spam light for horde, spam heacy for single target

[patent bone]

That's how I play AND THAT'S HOW I LIKE IT!!

Still a gun main

[warped grove]

Even if youre a god at movemebt its handy

[turbid fulcrum]

There was a period when it was busted true, they nerved bm but its still great

[iron patrol]

heavy does cleave if you are funneling through a tight choke, you can heavy spam a horde down as well

[muted holly]

which axe we talking about?

[south portal]

BM is still the best blessing on most weapons it’s available on tbph

[silver mural]

Rashad

[spring glacier]

My grandads

[calm aurora]

low key lol

[elder needle]

autopistols lacking impact are getting me pounced by dogs

[silver mural]

I enjoyed it on arbites, but taxe is my beloved

[honest shale]

+25% vs mutants

[south portal]

i would assume with the elite hp tuning the rashad is a little less ubiquitously good and i haven’t even tried using it in havoc 40 but in up to max diff non havoc play the combat axe with head taker and bromentum has kinda never not been top tier

[calm aurora]

bm rn is way more potent, not nerfed at all

[heady trellis]

I've been having dogs pounce despite being shot a lot recently.

[iron patrol]

pocket toxin blackout nades are so fucking funny

[warped grove]

They are

Costy but fun

[versed spruce]

Blackouts feel like a suggestion so far xd

[spring glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[silver mural]

I love the blackouts

[lavish forge]

"n-noooo missile launcher s-sucks it's like a krak grenade but wor-"

"TIME FOR YOU LOT TO GET YOURSELVES DEAD!"

impossibly loud explosion sfx

[turbid fulcrum]

Blackouts on my melee build have been solid

[iron patrol]

i use non-toxin ones to stagger shield ogryns so i can chem pistol them like i am skull capping a cow with a captive piston gun

[sturdy marsh]

Imagine what this class would be like if the plasma gunners never got nerfed

[main wagon]

I’m gonna try them when I try saw

[silver mural]

I like to throw them when reviving someome too

[rare grotto]

the gmod ragdolls it makes is also fun

[iron patrol]

its basically pocket veteran shout

[turbid fulcrum]

I like the needler a lot. I wonder if you could somehow build around it... Desperado doesnt do anything for it.

[spring glacier]

Love it when pox hounds get caught in the blast because they fuckin zoom

[frigid adder]

what are ya'll finding good for the needle pistol blessings? do you mainly use it as a support weapon or a dps weapon?

[silver mural]

And with the toxin stacks they kill auric level hordes, which is great collateral when stunning a crusher surrounded by mooks

[iron patrol]

blackout nades are literally pocket veteran shout you get for free every 20 kills, chem nades fucking nuke anything below a monstrosity, rocket is a vibe in itself

[ashen cape]

The stagger grenades are great for those things

[high gull]

People usually take the needler for chemist builds.

[vast yoke]

did a lot more testing with it and found that it works amazingly with a dual pistol melee/hybrid vulture mark build, what i often did was placed it down in the middle of horde -> started killing elites with dualies (every kill would push enemies back, in most situations basically stalling them for 5 seconds) and blam, all dead and gone

[turbid fulcrum]

support so far. The one that makes you immune to ranged when sprinting is good to close gaps

[silver mural]

The needler looks great

Does the needler have run and gun

[frigid adder]

does it work when your melee weapon is out or do you have to swap?

[iron patrol]

its dedicated "i want that karker dead" weapon, you tap the appropriate dosage for the size of the karker and they keel over and die in 5 seconds

[spring glacier]

Yes

[dim moth]

krak grenade but the aoe isn't imaginary

[turbid fulcrum]

needs to be out

[silver mural]

Run and gun plus stripped down sounds funny to me

[rare grotto]

"dosage" lol so accurate

[lavish forge]

krak grenade but its a FUCKING MISSILE LAUNCHER LET"S GOOOOOO

[spring glacier]

Its what I use on mine, its quite funny to be a gremlin and run around the arena just injecting things

[sleek grove]

I hate that he Rocket doesn't onetap crushers in higher difficulties

[high gull]

Best part is, even on auric, most regular mobs die with a single shot

Just pop and move on

The toxin does the rest

[pulsar cedar]

thats disappointing to hear

[turbid fulcrum]

Yeah but I head its interaction with the stim keystone is bugged.

[sleek grove]

Till Malice it was oneshotting Crushers, in Damnation/Auric it's like 90% of their life

[iron patrol]

whats fucking me up is the missile launchers AoE is so fucking little, its basically AP and zero HE

[silver mural]

Like desperados slower, worse cousin

[zealous basin]

guys am i going insane or are poxwalkers not audible until they are basically at your team already

[high gull]

You don't have to take dependancy for a chemist build

I made a melee focused support build

[zealous basin]

wrong chat

[vast yoke]

unyielding% (more boss damage, helps vs bulwarks and reapers that seem to resist it)
infested% (cara% good too, but it helps vs dogs which seem to have high res vs the tox poison)
point blank (very consistent, desperado is hard to get uptime on since you rarely hold the pistol out for long)
run and gun (honestly just for the hipfire spread reduction, change it if you dont mind it)

i pair it with crowbar on a rampage build, imho its better to pair bolt pistol with the saw cleaver

[sleek grove]

The AoE it's not THAT small, it's the hitbox of the rocket iself that is minuscule i find, and you whiff often

[lavish forge]

no clue what ur on abt, always has for me

[iron patrol]

shit makes me feel giddy when i tap 6 gunners and then get the 6 back to back kill notifs mid horde clear

[vast yoke]

the AoE is ridiculous, I killed 18 gunners last game with 1 shot lmao

[vast surge]

What’s the dump stat for needler

[sleek grove]

I mean, i just did two games where it did not oneshot stuff (Crushers*) on Damnation 😂

[vast yoke]

stability imo

[iron patrol]

damage

[lavish forge]

maybe u missed by a tiny bit

[vast yoke]

oh rlly?

[iron patrol]

you dump damage

[turbid fulcrum]

I'll look into that! The ranged keystone doesn't seem to do anything for the needler either...

[vast yoke]

its like the flamethrower huh

[vast surge]

Rly?

[iron patrol]

or stopping power if you are hellbent on the lost 4 damage on impact

[woeful hill]

funny enough

[vast surge]

Weird

[woeful hill]

all stats are dumps for needle

[vast yoke]

i see thats very silly but i believe it

[spring glacier]

Iirc damage only affects the initial needle shot, not the dot

[woeful hill]

ammo if pick pocket

[sleek grove]

It could be that's level tied? I'm 27 atm because for sure the few times i tested it i hit them

[silver mural]

This is true since the crate is linked to your stimm cooldown with a node cdr isnt as helpful as the stimm cooldown on kill node is for speeding up crates uptime.

So even if chemical dependency and the crate get fixed to trigger a stack idk if id even take it over the adrenaline node.

But i havent tried either build yet! Cant wait to try out rampage

[vast yoke]

yeah but im scared they'll nerf it XD

[iron patrol]

hell fucking no, ammo is the one stat for this gun that actually matters besides stability and mobility

[mental sundial]

is it just me or do the Crowbar and Bonesaw have egregiously long swinging speeds

[woeful hill]

you have infinite ammo with pick pocket

[amber sundial]

i got hit by a trapper and the game aborted

[spring glacier]

Ammo stat affects mag size

[iron patrol]

stopping power is actually a just as effective dump stat, this fucking thing is NOT staggering shit to begin with

[sleek grove]

Not just you, both of them really need the 2% attack speed talent per stamina, with that and Adrenaline Frenzy they fel decent

[bronze glade]

Directors like “you’re fucked anyway”

[vast yoke]

crowbar is insanely fast ur prob missing a lot of your alt swings that have delayed recovery, bonesaw is very slow tho yeah. i've been spamming lights for single target over the H1 and push attack -> heavy -> light -> light for hordes

[amber sundial]

my 3 teammates got ledged by a burster below a ledge while they were hitting he trash climbing up 🥀

[bronze glade]

All HIV players I assume

[vast yoke]

yeah always grab the stamina attack speed talent unless you're going full desperado tbh

[broken bear]

is fatshark fucking with me

[amber sundial]

nah one arby

[mental sundial]

the dual autoguns/stubbers are so addictive

[tranquil fjord]

does anyone know when they will release a patch for the broken things on ganger

[woeful hill]

atleast 2

[amber sundial]

maybe 3

[woeful hill]

isnt it their vacation rn?

[bronze glade]

Close enough

[mental sundial]

perhaps 4

[tranquil fjord]

ah drat

[silver mural]

I didnt know arbites worked at fatshark

[vast plover]

has anyone confirmed if the alchemist achievement is cumalative or you have to be stimmed for 32 straight minutes in one game

[vast yoke]

whats broken on scum besides the things that are really op (pickpocket)

[bronze glade]

I hope they at least do one hotfix before fucking off

[silver mural]

That would be insane

[rare idol]

Bone saw is 💯

[tranquil fjord]

ranged build with vulture's dodge literally cant be hit

[south portal]

is stopping power not a damage stat on this gun?

[vast plover]

i did it for 16 minutes in uprising, but 32 minutes is just insane

[rare idol]

why do people not like bonesaw when in fact it is completely 🔥

[tranquil fjord]

its like emphatic evasion on psyker but for melee and ranged

[vast yoke]

yup thats by design XD

[silver mural]

Unless reloading XD

[tranquil fjord]

the absurd dodges will do good

[south portal]

whats the needler stopping power stat actually show when you inspect it?

[tranquil fjord]

and the dual stubbers can conserve ammo

[rare idol]

I’ve been doing bonesaw aurics and it is just popping off

[tranquil fjord]

and edge out crits for vulture's dodge

[vast yoke]

should prob make vultures mark only make you invulnerable to melee on that talent tbf

its a bit silly

[muted holly]

I find the bonesaw swings too vertical

[rare idol]

• rampage and stim with chem dep and a bunch of chem traits? You’re an unkillable god of death 😂

[fervent steppe]

the pinned build or your own?

[tranquil fjord]

you still have to reload

[rare idol]

Learn the moveset once you do it feels amazing

[silver mural]

Yeah its like "oh no i have to manually dodge for 2 seconds" ;-;

[rare idol]

Did me own as I do

[vast yoke]

true

[tranquil fjord]

and the ranged is

pretty shit to okay at killing heavy elites

[silver mural]

Just be careful trappers dont give af if you immune to hits

[fervent steppe]

whats your stimm?

[real dew]

Neat wasn't even trying:

[vast yoke]

i love how fast it charges your stims, i have had situations where i put down a stim crate and i can put another one down before the 5 seconds is up lmfao

[obsidian crown]

my last 2 damnation games, telling you, can be nearly immortal with this class if played right

[rare idol]

Both the attack branches b/c I get toughness on stim and stim charge anyway

[silver mural]

Mostly i rock, sometimes i bounce my knee

Ba dum tssss

[fervent steppe]

Death

[silver mural]

;-;

[rare idol]

Also the needler 👌

[mental sundial]

it’s been 2 DAYS how are you already doing damnation

[thorny ginkgo]

scoreboard doesn’t crash the game?

[obsidian crown]

just hit auric rn

[rare idol]

Meanwhile me doing scum auric 😂

[real dew]

If I were 30 I'd be doing damnation

[vast yoke]

we were doing havoc earlier 😭

[tranquil fjord]

those three talents at the top which you must pick one of for pathing seem a little doodoo

[real dew]

Only at 25 and leveling weapons though

[obsidian crown]

lvl 25 auric

[vast plover]

[vast yoke]

im employed too i imagine the average nolifer got lvl 30 day 1

[vast plover]

i don't even want the hat this achievement is just an eyesore on my ocd

[vast yoke]

i got this pretty early on im pretty sure its not in 1 game

[thorny ginkgo]

some people just power leveled the twins fight lmao

[silver mural]

Oof

[south portal]

yeah sorry im not sure this strikes me as a dump stat

[vast yoke]

oh didnt know that was a good xp method, honestly we just did heresy maelstroms

[vast plover]

aight 'nother round

i might do a short game to see if anything changes

[fervent steppe]

oh so youre full toxin then

[vast yoke]

just cus theyre fun

[tranquil fjord]

is this base needle damage or poison damage

[torpid cloud]

Can someone enlighten me on if the cooldown stimm is useful for a desperado spam build
Some youtuber told me it's bad and not worth it but I don't trust those anymore

[south portal]

this is what it shows on the gun if you inspect it

[steep gyro]

apparently,

lmfao

[vast yoke]

ohh they didnt patch that yet? i remember seeing that ages ago lmao

[tranquil fjord]

yeah but poison is doing most of the damage

[silver mural]

Which gun is this

[obsidian crown]

but yeah, this class is super good, idk why ppl complaining it's squishy, it's really not at later lvls

[tranquil fjord]

which wouldnt be effected by stopping power, i think

[iron patrol]

gamer, this thing deals abysmall stagger, you use this thing to apply DoT that kills shit, you are NOT using it to stagger SHIT

[thorny ginkgo]

i didn’t even know about that mission until yesterday

[silver mural]

Are you the legendary gab

[south portal]

i understand that im just saying i have no way of knowing. all i can tell you is the info i have

[obsidian crown]

it's fixed

[thorny ginkgo]

yayyy

[tranquil fjord]

thats fair

[vast yoke]

idk what youtuber told you that. i go dependancy (3 stacks) with full ranged CDR stim

[rotund orchid]

what is the Hot-Spot blessing on the needle pistol supposed to do ? like what does the cleave do ?

[south portal]

im not sure you read my screen grab because the stagger is 1 bullet point out of like 15

[rotund orchid]

does it penetrate targets ?

[vast yoke]

vultures does let you tank melee but just spam dodges tbf

[torpid cloud]

Still tweaking my gun build
So far all I am certain of is that I really want pickpocket before it's nerfed

[tranquil fjord]

it increases the cleave which effectively allows it to penetrate more targets, yes

[rotund orchid]

ah I see

thank you

[south portal]

i don’t know why there is any reason to assume the damage of the poison of a gun is not tied to the stats of that gun but this is not my first fatshark game

[vast yoke]

tbh i imagine they'll just make pickpocket require a melee kill or close ranged kill

[iron patrol]

again, this is not a fucking weapon you use or need impact or stagger, its a glorified injector to put DoT on shit.

[silver mural]

Tbf isnt the attack speed and reload speed stimm superb at maximizing reloads and thus desperado value so there is a train of thought where thats the best option for desperado

[tender forge]

so fast stim spam, is fun

[torpid cloud]

Close ranged is what scum should do anyway

[vale garden]

Damage is tied to damage, of the weapon

Not the poison

[tender forge]

also stim pack lets you use your stims faster

[vast yoke]

speedloader + reload talent is already damn near instant

[vale garden]

Its just that damage is like 8 damage

[silver mural]

Its definitely not, since with those carapace numbers it wouldnt 3 shot a crusher but it does

[tranquil fjord]

it's probably a gamble. damage over times are effected by blessings, talents, and refinements which add damage but not base stats unless actively tied to the dot (ie. burn) usually.

[steep vale]

im gonna go into chem dependancy does this look good so far?

[steep vale]

im also running duel pistols and bonesaw

[vast yoke]

dependancy and stim crate do not mix

[steep vale]

no?

[vast yoke]

unfortunately

[steep vale]

awful

[silver mural]

I just repeat what good players say, i personally use the cdr stimm but ive seen multiple peeps argue for attack speed stim

[vast yoke]

you build dependancy by popping stims and crate consumes stims

[iron patrol]

addiction capstone is actually pretty good with the 50% toughness regen on stimm use node but unfortunately adrenaline exists and the attack speed bonus and the toughness regen per second is way more useful for survival

[turbid fulcrum]

I just dump stability on the needler. It's very accurate in any case

[steep vale]

thats dumb

[vast yoke]

yeah i agree tbf

[steep vale]

how does rage feel then?

[obsidian crown]

Only thing I wish is you could reload pistols while sliding. My only gripe with the class tbh

[silver mural]

Needler has so many potential dump stats haha

[steep vale]

or rampage ig

[south portal]

stopping power is also a damage stat in addition to impact and stagger and determines the pen value of weapons in some cases. in this case for example the stopping min and max in the needle pistol is 34% to 68% of the damage stat’s actual damage number applies when hitting flak

[thorny ginkgo]

rampage works best with adrenaline frenzy

[steep vale]

ok

[vast yoke]

rampage with dependancy is great

[tender forge]

stim pack doesnt trigger chemical dpendency

[vast yoke]

30-40% CDR for rampage fucks

[steep vale]

oh also this is my stim

[tender forge]

my current stim

[vast yoke]

just remember the cooldown of the stim starts after it wears off

[south portal]

yeah i really wanna know how that damage is determined

[thorny ginkgo]

only if you care about more melee damage and attack speed

[steep vale]

yeah its at 89 seconds rn

[iron patrol]

are you fucking copying chat-gpt, there is no fucking armor penetration, you shoot the heretic, heretic gets major cyanide poisoning, heretic fucking dies.

[south portal]

is there anyone still in the community that can look at the code

[thorny ginkgo]

stacked on top of rampage’s effects

[vast yoke]

yeaa i wouldnt risk juggling that 1 second haha

[steep vale]

sorry 69

not 89

[vast yoke]

ah oki

[steep vale]

missclick while typing

[vast yoke]

well if u can maintain dependancy with that its fine

[steep vale]

also idk why that replied

[south portal]

why are you progressively getting more upset over me trying to have a totally normal discussion

[novel quest]

is it just me or does the final part of the new mission kinda leave ya wanting more? I found myself super underwhelmed

[spring glacier]

I thought stopping power basically just affected weapon stagger

[silver mural]

Its just stacks of a Dot.

So i think the pistol does 6 stacks base, 8 on headshot or crit, and 10 on a crit headshot.

In the secondary firing mode it does either 1 or 2 stacks, but either causes the enemy to explode doing stagger on death or spread more toxin based on the mark

[twilit tide]

you can

[vast yoke]

i thought that then at higher difficulties it spawned 2 bosses at the same time and it was pretty fun

[spring glacier]

Have I been lied to?

[steep vale]

while im leveling ima still use the box because i want the pants from the acievement

[burnt barn]

dumpstat on the dual autopistols is mobility?

[novel quest]

really? im on auric and I haven't found two bosses

[novel quest]

ye

[twilit tide]

there's a hole reddit post on it, regular yellow does 5, headshot is +1 and crit is +1
so up to 7 per shot

[vast yoke]

weird i had double bosses twice in a row, maybe its just rng

[south portal]

youre better off inspecting the stats on any given gun to try to understand them, there are rules but sometimes they’re rather loose for what is bundled with what

[novel quest]

hivescum has enough mobility

[steep vale]

does any form of chem tox proc this or is it only on the explosion

[steep gyro]

which 1

[vast yoke]

honestly i went collat dump on my smgs

[lavish delta]

can anyone confirm if attack speed affects fire rate? or just melee weapons?

[vast yoke]

it affects firerate

[sinful matrix]

hi again jelly

she got duh gats

[novel quest]

although I will say I had to do a solo clutch earlier in the trenches and it was fun

[silver mural]

I think both marks have different numbers. Is read kulis guide.

Iirc the stagger one has 5 stacks and lower bonus stacks

[steep vale]

heya pika

[vast yoke]

any

[steep vale]

oh swag

[twilit tide]

blue is 5-2 (it's weird math) and you still get +1 from crit/headshot so up to 5

[silver mural]

I see

[burnt barn]

haven't played in a while, if the ammo % was mobility it would be a perfect roll right

[south portal]

anyway, sometimes stopping power impacts how much damage you do to the different armor types in the game in addition to determining impact and stagger

[steep vale]

already having max stuff is crazy

[sinful matrix]

Uh

[steep vale]

im level 16 and my melee is rank 2

[lavish delta]

interesting… thanks for letting me know

[split fiber]

so sick

[vast yoke]

ammo% can be dump dependoing on the gun haha

[sinful matrix]

I had 1.9mil gold and 32k plasteel and diamantine before the patch

[twilit tide]

the difference is stagger versus aoe application of chem which gives you 1 on mk 2 and 0 on mk 6

[iron patrol]

because you are refusing to acknowledge what is being said, damage or penetration values do not matter, needle pistols sole use is applying DoT, it is not a conventional weapon, it deals practically no damage on impact and thus does not need to penetrate shit to deal damage.

[sinful matrix]

mostly just an effort in doing a bajillion clicks to level stuff up

[steep vale]

ah

[sinful matrix]

along with masteries carrying over from other classes

So I only need to master the scum specific weapons

[steep vale]

fair

[sinful matrix]

rest of em is just dumping mats into weapons for tier 4 blessins and perks

[south portal]

gotcha, thanks. so presumably the actual projectile that has whatever amount of front loaded damage is probably what the stopping power stat is affecting

[vast yoke]

i have like double this and i feel broke (i had like 20k dia before the update looool)

[steep vale]

i still have no clue what to run on my weapons

im running bonesaw and the duel pistols

[sinful matrix]

Flak/Unarmored or Flak/Maniac

Anything that buffs damage

[broken bear]

hi puri

[sinful matrix]

It ain't rocket science

[real dew]

I'd have more but I tend to take breaks

[silver mural]

Yeah for his pistol damage stats dont effect the dot. Kinda like how bleed damage isnt effected by weapon damage but instead just has certisn values per stack.

However iirc if you put a damage perk on the gun like 25 percent carapace it will effect the Dot damage

But don't quote me on that

[signal nebula]

man this class is absolutely galaxy brain level in certain builds, and peak smoothbrain in others

[gritty arrow]

I want "Apllies X Chem Tox on (type) Hit" blessings for the scum weapons

[small cape]

500k on the smgs and can’t get a perfect roll

[sinful matrix]

Hi leux

[broken bear]

wtf puri ur a chick?

[sinful matrix]

I'm a girl now

[broken bear]

since when

[sinful matrix]

lmao

[steep vale]

im guessing bonesaw wants refined lethality and wrath

[sinful matrix]

hahahaha

[vast yoke]

if you're running the lower spread talent then speedloader + riposte on pistols is pretty good, if not then take out speedloader for run n gun

[sinful matrix]

Uh

oh god

8 or 9 months now?

[broken bear]

ah

[signal nebula]

shred/decimator

[steep vale]

for stub?

[broken bear]

babytrans

[vast yoke]

yes i did say pistol

[silver mural]

Yeah it does but it makes tbe shredder auto look like a high damage per shot weapon so id ignore it

[steep vale]

i was way off

[steep vale]

oh fair

[twilit tide]

in preperation of the estrogen stims, obviously ;p

[sinful matrix]

LOL

[vast yoke]

tbf i run refined + shred, but you definitely want shred

[obsidian crown]

Not dual auto pistols no

[steep vale]

ok

[obsidian crown]

I’ve tried many times

[steep vale]

thank yall

[signal nebula]

more crits, more dots 😄

[south portal]

youre acting like im not listening, but your first two replies to me were repeating to me that gun doesn’t have stagger which was you assuming without reading why i was sharing the stopping power stat screen grab, and i had to repeat myself to try getting you to engage in what i was actually trying to discuss. you need to touch grass and cool down lol

[sinful matrix]

I'm just using this to steamroll content until I can get back to farming aurics

all of the guns are ass(Haven't used the needle gun so no idea if that's any good or not)

[silver mural]

Hey isnt it possible to reach a 2 shot kill on crushers with the needler? Is that like all the toxin damage nodes and carapace damage as a perk? Or do i need to do smth else

[signal nebula]

i'm really liking the needle pistol now

[sinful matrix]

So just like zealot, focus on the melee weapon

[twilit tide]

the dual autopistols are nuts

[south portal]

well i mean i know better than to assume 80% of 4 is a high number lol

[twilit tide]

they're just a better version of shredder

[sinful matrix]

probably tree specific opinion tbh

[signal nebula]

much less stagger

[sinful matrix]

I haven't gotten any of the spread buffs or anything

so they're just 5 meter range shotguns with 50 round mags

[twilit tide]

yea but almost double damage, don't need stagger if they're dead

[silver mural]

It does feel like that, but tbf this class can basically make anything havoc viable since its so fill of juice

[signal nebula]

i've seen ChocoB use shredder pistol on Scum and it looked pretty damn good

[sinful matrix]

I don't really look forward to havocs with the, checks notes, absolute lack of toughness regen

[gritty arrow]

Scrap Rocket needs a bigger blast radius

[twilit tide]

yea it's good still, faster reload, less damage tho

[vast yoke]

chocoB could use a grey quality antax combat axe and make it look meta

[sinful matrix]

I'll stick to ogryn for havocs

pickaxe my beloved

[south portal]

damn, this is how i know your brand is strong. i’ve seen you in here since probably around launch and you’re still playing ogryn

[amber sapphire]

just run in with desperado and nuke everything, until the crusher wall ofc, then you fold

[high gull]

Stealth vet blaming me for him constantly dying

When I've had to rescue bro like 4 times and had to clutch up

[south portal]

you should clearly be carrying him more effectively? idgi

[vast yoke]

honestly this class feels more like psyker than any other class to me. the guns are just staffs and you lower your peril by uh. killing elites/specials and triggering pickpocket :-)

[sinful matrix]

Ogryn my beloved

It's my second favorite kind of power fantasy

[vast yoke]

wait when did puri puri transition is this new

[sinful matrix]

my first is rolling up on a boss the size of godzilla with a toothpick and dinnerplate and being unkillable(Sword and Shield Tank)

[vast plover]

confirmed it's cumulative

[gritty arrow]

Imagine if they gave us a tox equivalant of Wildfire

[sinful matrix]

Like april/mayish of this year

[high gull]

IT's much better imo

[vast yoke]

welcome to the team sister

[high gull]

It causes stagger when the mob dies

[south portal]

hey good for u bud

[manic wolf]

Ping spammers should be banned from pinging anything, that is all for your public service announcment

[sinful matrix]

:3

@manic wolf

[sinful matrix]

:3

[south portal]

be your true self. just not too loud if you realllllly like warhammer

[manic wolf]

not that kind of ping lul

[sinful matrix]

lmfao

[obsidian crown]

So you gotta reload BEFORE the slide?

[vast yoke]

would fuck if it was like the weird fireball gun from fallout, you know the one that looks like it'd be a flamethrower but it shoots fire balls? fuck what is it called

[high gull]

Got my ass saved when I got cornered by ragers and crushers then POP ran straight through the gap that tox explosion created

[silver mural]

Melee crit heavy with chem build can approach okay levels of toughness replenish XD

At least thats what it looks like on paper, ive yet to try it myself.

But with a fast weapon and tons of crit and the chem on crit and toughness for killing chem enemies and adrenalines 5 percent per second i could see that approaching mid range to decent.

Nothing compared to what arbites snd ogryn can have for existing but its serviceable

[obsidian crown]

Try reloading during

[livid raven]

did they say when the new event is coming

[obsidian crown]

Doesn’t work

[twilit tide]

you can

[obsidian crown]

I’m telling you

It doesn’t for me

[silver mural]

I thought they said Thursday

[obsidian crown]

Might be a mod interfering with it

[livid raven]

only god knows why they don't have the event at the same time as the new class release

but thanks

[silver mural]

I could be wrong but thats what i recall from mister es video

I know

Booooo

[vast yoke]

player retention strategy (it will work on you lmao)

[obsidian crown]

Read what I said

[south portal]

whats tanner saying about it

[obsidian crown]

Also try using speed loader and speed talent btw

[silver mural]

Fuck that guy

[twilit tide]

ya, idk if it's a mod causing a problem

I am using speed loader and talent

[obsidian crown]

But activate it

[south portal]

damage is a dump stat

breakpoints don’t exist

[obsidian crown]

You’re doing inactivated

[silver mural]

For needler it could be, but its debateable. I think flamer csn dump damage too iirc

[rigid summit]

should i listen to the steam reviews saying this class is weak or is it all skill issue

[vast yoke]

arguably inferno staff but uh. you want to dump warp res anyway XD

[hearty mango]

It's fun and that's what matters

[livid raven]

it's weak as shit while levving it up

[woeful hill]

class is weak, I was in uprising after my 9 jobs and feeding my 19 kids. I just wanted some chill leveling but some dumb poxwalker hit me 3 times when I was standing still and i died, refund it

[gritty arrow]

Glass Canon class, mistakes hit much harder than on something like Arbites

[broken bear]

have u stocked up properly

anything less than 10 vials is bitch made

[obsidian crown]

Hm. Do you have guaranteed weapon swap

[rigid summit]

ok so im hearing skill issue so far

[twilit tide]

I do not

[vast yoke]

its weak as shit until you get these two talents, feels like paper

[obsidian crown]

I’ll try deactivating it later and see if that’s what’s causing it

[gritty arrow]

I mean yeah, that's the point

[twilit tide]

I don't use many mods, like 6 and two are scoreboard
I know guaranteed had some issues

[rigid summit]

thats what im asking

[silver mural]

Reginald thinks its middle of the pack iirc, but its not weak.

You will look at the floor alot levelling as its best tough regen is arguably at the bottom of the tree. So you start super squishy but eventually enter normal squishy mode.

Its also a class with alot of potential buffs so its highest highs and lowest lows are astronomically different. Sometimes you walk and kill everything other times you get killed by the wind

[vast yoke]

its literally just psyker but with drugs and dualies instead of peril and staves

its fun

[iron patrol]

adrenaline toughness regen, the top toughness replenish on hit, chem on crit with chem kills toughness replenish, 10% toughness regen for 3 seconds on ranged hit, 50% replenish on toughness break, rampage gives you full toughness upon activation despite not being written

[broken bear]

skill issue

[obsidian crown]

Yeah it still does. It’s bugging out stims and weapons. If you accidentally try to use a stim when it’s still cooling down, you won’t be able to sprint or slide with your weapon until stim actually activates

[rigid summit]

is movement speed better than other classes?

[vast yoke]

yeah its absurd

[rigid summit]

ok im sold

im getting it now

[silver mural]

Ranged especially is very fast

[gritty arrow]

Actual meth head speed

[twilit tide]

I agree with this statement. It is also naturally designed for ranged combat and playing optimally with your highs and lows will net you more than average I'd say, but it's super tough

[rigid summit]

finally the zealot class i always wanted

[vast yoke]

the average build is as fast as zealot with all movespeed bonuses running with a 80% mobility bistol

[south portal]

yeah im just repeating a meme. flamer can dump damage

[bronze glade]

Tbf psyker is way tankier

[iron patrol]

you get vermintide levels of dodge regen speed, actual micheal jackson level moonwalk dodges

[silver mural]

Desperado and vultures plus run and gun and you fucking ZOOM while shooting everythig

[vast yoke]

trueeee but they do feel the most alike imo

i cast 9mm

[manic wolf]

Even just taking one of them is a pretty huge QoL uptick

[silver mural]

You can also slide through melee attacks with a talent. And the stamina regen feels insane

[lavish parrot]

Am I doing something wrong or the bonesaw damage is really really bad?

[twilit tide]

you can literally sprint forward, hold lmb and have infinite ammo while having 100% stamina the entire time if any guns are shooting at you

[azure mist]

It’s entire survivability is leveraging on it

[rigid summit]

holy shit this class is made for me

[silver mural]

Are you building cleave on it

[azure mist]

Without it you burst into flames aside from abilities

[lavish parrot]

Oh wait nvm purple mode does more dmg

[gritty arrow]

Toughness this, regen that, wah wah wah
Answer: Go full crit

[iron patrol]

its goofy as fuck watching a shiv rampage scum comically slide around in combat

[bronze glade]

Live fast, die young and leave a pretty corpse, the class

[vast yoke]

nah it does require proper talent building and blessings, also best to pair it with a stim box build since it builds cooldown super quick on Sample Collector imo

[twilit tide]

using vulture's dodge, you cause enemies to have shorter melee range on you and bullets to whiz by harmlessly if your desperado isn't active

[azure mist]

Not even mentioning stimm pack ability

[noble latch]

25 missions in

[azure mist]

So peak

[lavish parrot]

I did want to pair it with stim box honestly

[iron patrol]

the dodge effectives extension means you can just keep dodging above 75% stamina and be immune to all ranged damage regardless

[lavish parrot]

Plus the needle pistol

[silver mural]

To armour. Green mode has an innate bonus to unarmoured enemies and applies poison and purple mode has an innatr bonus to armoured enemies while also applying brittleness.

[glad latch]

Does full mean 4 stacks?

[noble latch]

no

[lavish parrot]

gotchaaaaaaa thx

[noble latch]

it can be 3

[glad latch]

ok.

[amber sundial]

its 3 if you dont have the subnode

[vast yoke]

genuinely top tier for fully stacked stim box build, i have gotten my stim back before the 5 seconds are up on my previous stim box before XD

[amber sundial]

4 if you do

[iron patrol]

you gotta lose a stack and then stack to full for some ungodly reason, go upto 2 and then drop to 1 before going up to whatever you picked as max

[silver mural]

Has anyone tried the funny dumb med box bomb build where you take a 1 node stimm and the cooldown on kill talent and just meme around maxxing out explosive boxes

[lavish parrot]

Yeah I also planned to put needle pistol with it seemed like full poison build is a proper idea

[glad latch]

oof, so it is bugged?

[noble latch]

this penance has been a pain to do

[ripe schooner]

So did like half the builds get taken off of games lantern? There were a few trees I was looking at that aren't there anymore.

[vast yoke]

also you gotta rlly learn the quirks of it. dont abuse Heavy 1 only use it when its optimal. spam lights against smaller elites like ragers. if you need quick horde clear PA-L is good, if you need high density PA-H-H has high cleave%

[iron patrol]

yea

[lavish parrot]

Any tips how to build the saw and the talent tree though?

[amber sundial]

is it pure coherency regen for that talent